Archive-Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 11:09:10 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 11:08:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Deb Karl Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] Marianne Taylor update To: ECD List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <436959.87438.qm-AT-web31407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear friends, Here is an update which Marcie sent out last night. Marianne is having surgery for a third time today - please keep her in your thoughts & prayers. Keep dancing, Deb ********************************************** Marianne Taylor update Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:09 PM From: "Folk Arts Center" To: "FAC" Hi Folks, Thanks to those of you who were able to stop by the FAC booth at NEFFA last weekend and sign the booklet for Marianne. I spoke with her today and she was truly touched by all the sentiments. Her spirits are good as she awaits her third surgery tomorrow. Please pray for her in whatever way you are comfortable; send her good thoughts and energy. It is times like this that we all feel so helpless. One thing you can do is send Marianne a card (she really likes getting cards and notes in the mail and hearing from you!!). Addresses are below. But more importantly, you can help by dancing. That has been what has always gotten her through her good times and bad. It has been her life and the life she has shared with so generously with us. It has formed the nucleus around which our community has grown. It is the gift she has given us - so honor her now by dancing, and keeping her in your hearts and thoughts as you do so. Her family has set up a CaringBridge site. Micki has asked me, on behalf of the family, to forward the following information: I created a CaringBridge site to keep you up to date on Marianne Taylor. CaringBridge is a nonprofit organization that helps friends and families stay connected. You can visit Marianne's CaringBridge site at http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/mariannetaylor1. If your e-mail program does not allow you to click on the above link, just copy and paste the address into your web browser's address (or URL) location. Please visit our CaringBridge site anytime. You can use the site to check in on Marianne, read the journal entries and send us messages by signing our guestbook. When you register with CaringBridge and sign our guestbook, you will automatically receive e-mail notifications each time our journal is updated. Or, you can subscribe to receive these notifications even before you sign the guestbook. (Of course, you can unsubscribe from these e-mail updates at any time.) Yours in hope, Marcie Cards can be sent to: Marianne Taylor PO Box 94 Deerfield, NH 03037 or c/o Andy Taylor-Blenis 15 Beaumont Ave. Newtonville, MA 02460 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 11:10:58 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 10:10:40 -0800 Message-ID: <98ABE4BCD24.0000079Etomvincent-AT-inbox.com> From: Tom Vincent Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] Country Dances of Colonial America To: "ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone know if there are any recordings of the dances in Millar's = 'Country Dances of Colonial America'? =20 There are so many wonderful dances in that book and I haven't seen more = than a handful of them recorded. I'm about to break out the music = software and do them myself. -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Tom Vincent =22Proudly Wicked Since 1974=22 -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* I want to move on from evidence, which is a good reason for believing = something, and warn you against three bad reasons for believing anything. = They are called 'tradition', 'authority' and 'revelation'. - Richard Dawkins The rich are destroying America. Support a =24250K MAXIMUM wage and a = LIVING wage for the poor. Due to deliberate damage by Yahoo, my new e-mail address is = TomVincent=40Inbox.com - Boycott Yahoo=21 =22What are we gonna tell the sheriff, sweetheart, that a Kryptonian girl = vaporized a federal agent?=22 - Jonathan Kent ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 11:23:34 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu From: "Alan Corkett" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: Subject: RE: [ECD] Marianne Taylor update Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 19:23:14 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Alan Pardon me, but I seem to know the name Marianne Taylor from the 1970s, perhaps she purchased Southerners records from me at the time. Can you tell me something more about her, was she a caller? Regards Alan -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [mailto:owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu]On Behalf Of Deb Karl Sent: 01 May 2008 19:09 To: ECD List Subject: [ECD] Marianne Taylor update Dear friends, Here is an update which Marcie sent out last night. Marianne is having surgery for a third time today - please keep her in your thoughts & prayers. Keep dancing, Deb ********************************************** Marianne Taylor update Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:09 PM From: "Folk Arts Center" To: "FAC" Hi Folks, Thanks to those of you who were able to stop by the FAC booth at NEFFA last weekend and sign the booklet for Marianne. I spoke with her today and she was truly touched by all the sentiments. Her spirits are good as she awaits her third surgery tomorrow. Please pray for her in whatever way you are comfortable; send her good thoughts and energy. It is times like this that we all feel so helpless. One thing you can do is send Marianne a card (she really likes getting cards and notes in the mail and hearing from you!!). Addresses are below. But more importantly, you can help by dancing. That has been what has always gotten her through her good times and bad. It has been her life and the life she has shared with so generously with us. It has formed the nucleus around which our community has grown. It is the gift she has given us - so honor her now by dancing, and keeping her in your hearts and thoughts as you do so. Her family has set up a CaringBridge site. Micki has asked me, on behalf of the family, to forward the following information: I created a CaringBridge site to keep you up to date on Marianne Taylor. CaringBridge is a nonprofit organization that helps friends and families stay connected. You can visit Marianne's CaringBridge site at http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/mariannetaylor1. If your e-mail program does not allow you to click on the above link, just copy and paste the address into your web browser's address (or URL) location. Please visit our CaringBridge site anytime. You can use the site to check in on Marianne, read the journal entries and send us messages by signing our guestbook. When you register with CaringBridge and sign our guestbook, you will automatically receive e-mail notifications each time our journal is updated. Or, you can subscribe to receive these notifications even before you sign the guestbook. (Of course, you can unsubscribe from these e-mail updates at any time.) Yours in hope, Marcie Cards can be sent to: Marianne Taylor PO Box 94 Deerfield, NH 03037 or c/o Andy Taylor-Blenis 15 Beaumont Ave. Newtonville, MA 02460 ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 13:24:45 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 13:24:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Deb Karl Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: [ECD] Marianne Taylor update To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <816531.62563.qm-AT-web31406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 5/1/08, Alan Corkett wrote: > Pardon me, but I seem to know the name Marianne Taylor from > the 1970s, > perhaps she purchased Southerners records from me at the > time. Can you tell > me something more about her, was she a caller? Alan, highly likely that you know Marianne Taylor from the 70's. Marianne is a long-time international folk dance teacher in the Boston area &, with her then-husband Conny, founded the Folk Arts Center of New England (which includes a record shop) in 1975. Marianne is a superb dancer & teacher of all sorts of international folk dance, including English, Scottish, Romanian, Bulgarian, French bourrees, etc etc etc. --Deb ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 18:51:16 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 18:48:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: [ECD] English and contra survey; please spread around To: ecd-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01MUA96AXQ1G8XKJPO-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Dear All -- As Ridge Kennedy writes: A couple of weeks ago, we had a brief discussion about the character (and mischaracterization) of English Country Dancing. The public discussion spurred an off-line discussion with Alan Winston - keeper of the English Country Dance listserve -about the whole English vs. American question and some of the strongly held beliefs, characterizations (and mischaracterizations) that occur in discussions. Alan and I have cooperated to develop a very short survey that will collect information from people who *like* both forms about how they characterize them; and from people who say they *don't like* one or the other - why and how they characterize the form they don't like. We also have an option for people who don't know about one or the other that solicits "vague impression" information and sources. We'd like to invite you to participate. Even more important, we would like to ask you for your help in getting our invitation out to the largest possible group of "plain old ordinary dancers" (POODs??) to offer their opinions. We want to reach to ECD participants, contra dancers or dancers who participate in any other tradition. If you are aware of any announcement lists or discussion lists in dance communities where folks hang out who might be interested, we'd appreciate your help in sharing the links with them. I think that is where we are going to get the most valuable information. Valuable information? With broad enough participation, we may get some statistically valid data concerning how the broad population of dancers feels about this question. (Is there broad-based negative feeling one way or another, or is there a small, vocal minority that affects discussions?) We also will get insight and information that will be helpful in promoting dance activities; and maybe some insight in how we might adjust programming to encourage broader participation. And . . . bottom line . . . it will just be interesting to hear what people have to say in general. Anyone who participates in the survey will have the opportunity to leave an e-mail address where we will send a link to the results. Other questions or comments, we can discuss here or offline at your pleasure. ************************** Attention Dancers English or American? You are invited to participate in a short survey of attitudes concerning English Country Dancing (ECD) in comparison with American-style contra dancing. Follow this link: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=CvR2IZDUOVq63GgN8Y0P_2bQ_3d_3d Or visit: http://danceambassadors.googlepages.com/survey Your participation will help us understand the feelings that people have when they think about these types of dance activity and encourage better communication about English and American dancing in the future. Sincerely, Your Friends at the English Country Dance and Traditional American Dance listserves. ********* -- Ridge Kennedy [Exit 145] Alan Winston [CA] -- =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 19:10:21 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 12:26:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: [ECD] Country Dances of Colonial America To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01MUA9U1CH0S8XWB83-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Tom wrote: > Does anyone know if there are any recordings of the dances in Millar's > 'Country Dances of Colonial America'? > There are so many wonderful dances in that book and I haven't seen more than >a handful of them recorded. I'm about to break out the music software and do >them myself. That's not a bad idea. (While you're at it, how about making legible versions of the tunes with chords?) Millar himself has assembled some recordings which at least overlap with the repertoire in the book. You can get the "Yorktown Victory Ball" recording from CDSS or from Colonial Music and Dance: http://www.colonialmusicanddance.com/products/products.htm#Yorktown_Victory_Ball 1. Soldier's Joy 2. Boston Assembly 3. The Young Widow 4. Belles of Newport 5. The Fair American 6. The French Lady 7. Baron Von Steuben 8. The British Retreat 9. A Trip to Virginia 10. Maid of the Oaks 11. Liberty 12. Monsieur Lafayette 13. The Spirit of France 14. The New Rigged Ship 15. Six Hand Reel 16. York Fusiliers 17. British Sorrow 18. All Hail Virginia Hope this helps! -- Alan -- =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 19:34:42 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <481A7DB5.1060500-AT-juno.com> Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 22:34:29 -0400 From: Franch Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] English and contra survey; please spread around References: <01MUA96AXQ1G8XKJPO-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Very interesting. I completed the survey myself (I hope my answers "took;" it was a little hard to tell if they registered) and will forward the link to the 50 address ECD email list that I maintain, primarily for people in the Baltimore area. An anecdote: Years ago at the CDSS English-American week at Buffalo Camp, someone did one of those getting-to-know you exercises. He had everyone go to one end of the dance pavilion if they preferred ECD, and to the other end if they preferred American. Everyone but one person did so. In the middle, alone, stood Mary Kay Friday, who would not be forced to choose. Mike Franch ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 23:17:05 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 02:16:52 -0400 From: "Ridge Kennedy" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] English and contra survey; please spread around MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <01MUA96AXQ1G8XKJPO-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> <481A7DB5.1060500-AT-juno.com> Mike said: > did so. In the middle, alone, stood Mary Kay Friday, who would not be > forced to choose. I was talking to someone about Mary Kay just this evening -- trying to describe such a special person. I was recalling her role in being a wonderful Aunt to her nephews (if I recall correctly, they were boys) and my thought that she was a real "Auntie Mame." Sigh. R. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 01:48:24 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <481AD531.8000202-AT-efdss.org> Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 09:47:45 +0100 From: Elaine Bradtke Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re:[ECD] Computer / music software References: <00A78E18.481870E5.10-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well there are many questions buried in this request for information 1) All computers become obsolete within a couple years of purchase. That's life in the modern world. 2)Storing all your data on the computer itself is not necessary, there are lots of options for remote storage as others have mentioned. It just takes a bit of planning. Keep the files you use constantly on your hard drive and offload archival files. 3) Back it all up on a remote server or removable drive. Memory is cheap and the capacity of storage media expands regularly. There is no excuse for not backing up important files. 4)Buy a Mac ;-)Or if you must use a PC, stick to XP. I have 1500+ cds in mp3 format (not to mention converted cylinders and discs), a zillion music notation files, and a ton of digital images (the whole of the James Madison Carpenter Collection to be exact) and I have yet to run out of space. . . Elaine ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 03:18:49 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 06:18:27 -0400 From: "Emily L. Ferguson" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re:[ECD] Computer / music software To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed References: <00A78E18.481870E5.10-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu> <481AD531.8000202-AT-efdss.org> At 9:47 AM +0100 5/2/08, Elaine Bradtke wrote: >Well there are many questions buried in this request for information >1) All computers become obsolete within a couple years of purchase. >That's life in the modern world. snip >4)Buy a Mac ;-) At least that won't become obsolete within a couple years... -- Emily L. Ferguson mailto:elf-AT-landsedgephoto.com 508-563-6822 New England landscapes, wooden boats and races http://www.landsedgephoto.com http://e-and-s.instaproofs.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 05:45:02 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu From: MWebbTaylor-AT-aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 08:44:44 EDT Subject: Re: [ECD] English and contra survey; please spread around To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1209732284" -------------------------------1209732284 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What a beautiful story about Mary Kay -- thank-you. Marty **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. 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What a beautiful story about Mary Kay -- thank-you.
 
Marty



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-------------------------------1209732284-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 06:14:11 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 09:13:57 -0400 From: "Jim Morgan" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Computer / music software MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10151_3652574.1209734037317" References: <00A78E18.481870E5.10-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu> <481AD531.8000202-AT-efdss.org> ------=_Part_10151_3652574.1209734037317 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline That's odd. We buy a few macs for folks in our office that prefer them, and they want new ones just as often as the PC users. Last time it was something about running newer versions of OS 10. Jim On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Emily L. Ferguson wrote: > At 9:47 AM +0100 5/2/08, Elaine Bradtke wrote: > > > Well there are many questions buried in this request for information > > 1) All computers become obsolete within a couple years of purchase. > > That's life in the modern world. > > > > snip > > 4)Buy a Mac ;-) > > > > At least that won't become obsolete within a couple years... > > -- > Emily L. Ferguson > mailto:elf-AT-landsedgephoto.com > 508-563-6822 > New England landscapes, wooden boats and races > http://www.landsedgephoto.com > http://e-and-s.instaproofs.com/ > > -- Jim Morgan (812) 322-7172 morganjj-AT-gmail.com ------=_Part_10151_3652574.1209734037317 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline That's odd.  We buy a few macs for folks in our office that prefer them, and they want new ones just as often as the PC users.  Last time it was something about running newer versions of OS 10.
Jim

On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Emily L. Ferguson <elf-AT-landsedgephoto.com> wrote:
At 9:47 AM +0100 5/2/08, Elaine Bradtke wrote:
Well there are many questions buried in this request for information
1) All computers become obsolete within a couple years of purchase.
That's life in the modern world.

snip

4)Buy a Mac ;-)

At least that won't become obsolete within a couple years...

--
Emily L. Ferguson
mailto:elf-AT-landsedgephoto.com
508-563-6822
New England landscapes, wooden boats and races
http://www.landsedgephoto.com
http://e-and-s.instaproofs.com/




--
Jim Morgan
(812) 322-7172
morganjj-AT-gmail.com ------=_Part_10151_3652574.1209734037317-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 06:28:26 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 09:28:01 -0400 From: "Jim Morgan" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] English and contra survey; please spread around MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10199_18888096.1209734882056" References: <01MUA96AXQ1G8XKJPO-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> <481A7DB5.1060500-AT-juno.com> ------=_Part_10199_18888096.1209734882056 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Interesting survey. I wasn't sure about the last question: I didn't know if they meant types of dance I'm able to do regularly, or those I'm able to get to occasionally. We don't have some of the types listed in my area, particularly ECD, so I can only do them once a year or so. Jim Morgan On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 10:34 PM, Franch wrote: > Very interesting. I completed the survey myself (I hope my answers > "took;" it was a little hard to tell if they registered) and will > forward the link to the 50 address ECD email list that I maintain, > primarily for people in the Baltimore area. > > An anecdote: Years ago at the CDSS English-American week at Buffalo > Camp, someone did one of those getting-to-know you exercises. He had > everyone go to one end of the dance pavilion if they preferred ECD, and > to the other end if they preferred American. Everyone but one person > did so. In the middle, alone, stood Mary Kay Friday, who would not be > forced to choose. > > Mike Franch > -- Jim Morgan (812) 322-7172 morganjj-AT-gmail.com ------=_Part_10199_18888096.1209734882056 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Interesting survey. I wasn't sure about the last question: I didn't know if they meant types of dance I'm able to do regularly, or those I'm able to get to occasionally.  We don't have some of the types listed in my area, particularly ECD, so I can only do them once a year or so.
Jim Morgan

On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 10:34 PM, Franch <franch-AT-juno.com> wrote:
Very interesting.  I completed the survey myself (I hope my answers
"took;" it was a little hard to tell if they registered) and will
forward the link to the 50 address ECD email list that I maintain,
primarily for people in the Baltimore area.

An anecdote: Years ago at the CDSS English-American week at Buffalo
Camp, someone did one of those getting-to-know you exercises.  He had
everyone go to one end of the dance pavilion if they preferred ECD, and
to the other end if they preferred American.  Everyone but one person
did so.  In the middle, alone, stood Mary Kay Friday, who would not be
forced to choose.

Mike Franch



--
Jim Morgan
(812) 322-7172
morganjj-AT-gmail.com ------=_Part_10199_18888096.1209734882056-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 06:32:22 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] English and contra survey; please spread around MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Campbell Kaynor Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 09:32:03 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I started trying to fill out this survey a few days ago and was finding it exceptionally difficult. Most of the questions require us to be on one side or the other. For example - which were you first exposed to; ECD or American contra? The first 6 dances I learned at my first encounter with these types of dancing were Childgrove, Petronella, Money Musk, French four, Hole in the Wall, and Lady Walpole's Reel. I think Hole in the Wall was the first one taught but I really can't remember. How do I answer the question? Perhaps I shoulkd have selected "contra" as I learned these from contradancers and they didn't consider Childgrove and Hole in the Wall to be ECD but rather they were though of as really old contradances that had spawned our more modern creations. However, I doubt the designers of the questionaire consider Hole in the Wall a contra. The further I went in the survey the more pressured I felt to take sides and abandon my own viewpoints on how these genres fit together. By the last page I had concluded the designers of the questionnaire already had conclusions in their minds before they thought of the questions and had posed questions to support their conclusions so I decided not to submit it. My two cents, Cammy ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 06:46:58 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 09:47:18 -0400 Subject: Re: [ECD] English and contra survey; please spread around Message-ID: <20080502.094719.2952.0.etepper-AT-juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ellen Tepper Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu I had the same reaction, that there were sides to be taken. Having no real horse of my own, I felt alone in the middle. Submitted the survey anyway. Ellen Most of the questions require us to be on > one > side or the other. > > The further I went in the survey the more pressured I felt to take > sides >> Cammy > > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 06:53:36 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <481B1CD0.9040504-AT-sbcglobal.net> Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 06:53:20 -0700 From: Jon Berger Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Computer / music software References: <00A78E18.481870E5.10-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu> <481AD531.8000202-AT-efdss.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Emily L. Ferguson wrote: > At 9:47 AM +0100 5/2/08, Elaine Bradtke wrote: >> Well there are many questions buried in this request for information >> 1) All computers become obsolete within a couple years of purchase. >> That's life in the modern world. > > snip > >> 4)Buy a Mac ;-) > > At least that won't become obsolete within a couple years... > -- Damn right. I'm still running my Lisa and it works just fine, thank you very much. I plan on upgrading to one of those newfangled 2400-baud modems pretty soon, but the computer itself is everything anyone could ask for. -- Jon Berger http://pages.sbcglobal.net/jberger ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 07:00:56 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 10:00:38 -0400 From: "Ridge Kennedy" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] English and contra survey; please spread around MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: Cammy Kayor said: > The further I went in the survey the more pressured I felt to take sides > and abandon my own viewpoints on how these genres fit together. By the > last page I had concluded the designers of the questionnaire already had > conclusions in their minds before they thought of the questions and had > posed questions to support their conclusions so I decided not to submit > it. As the guilty culprit -- at least the primary survey designer, I can only say that I apologize. The goal was to keep it quick and easy and -- if possible -- light in tone -- and certainly not to cause any discomfort. If there is any prejudice involved, it is toward the idea that both ECD and American are 1) quite wonderful in all forms and 2) part of a continuum and not compartmentalized. And the goal, as noted in the intro message, is really to get a sense of attitudes and obstacles (on the part of people who are prejudices against one genre or the other; and to list the positives as stated by those who appreciate both -- in sum -- *maybe* to find words and ways that will communicate a bit more effectively -- if that is something that is on someone's agenda. Jim Morgan also noted that the survey didn't account for conditions that one logically could have anticipated. Here again, I will be the first to say that the questionnaire is flawed. Since we were not aiming for statistical validity -- more seeking better understanding through a kind of structured Q&A -- I did not invest all the time necessary to make it a really good research tool. As noted, the project was not intended to be a cause of frustration and since it was, I apologize. Sincerely, Ridge ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 07:02:37 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <481B1EE9.2040002-AT-juno.com> Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 10:02:17 -0400 From: Franch Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] English and contra survey; please spread around References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm amazed and Cammy's memory! I couldn't answer that question because when I started dancing in Baltimore in the early '70s, it was just "country dancing," with a mixture of American and English. In fact, it was several years (maybe I'm a slow learner) before I knew to which national category a dance belonged. However, I think anyone in Baltimore since the mid- or certainly the late-70s would have started in one or the other variety. In Baltimore, at least, most people filling out the survey would not have had the problem that Cammy and I had. Sadly, most people who have be clearly in one category or another. We have few who do both English and American. On the other hand, the Baltimore Folk Music Society also offers Cajun-Zydeco dancing, and I've never been to one of these dances and don't plan to go. Mike Franch Campbell Kaynor wrote: > For example - which were you first exposed to; ECD or American contra? > The first 6 dances I learned at my first encounter with these types of > dancing were Childgrove, Petronella, Money Musk, French four, Hole in the > Wall, and Lady Walpole's Reel. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 07:18:25 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 10:18:11 -0400 From: "Jim Morgan" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] English and contra survey; please spread around MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10407_26627553.1209737891476" References: <20080502.094719.2952.0.etepper-AT-juno.com> ------=_Part_10407_26627553.1209737891476 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Yes, I didn't answer that question, and added a comment in the next one that the group I first joined did English and contras interchangeably (the Baltimore group under Bob Dalsemer at Lovely Lane). My answer to the question about obstacles to learning the other when you know the one type of dance was that the primary obstacle these days is the lack of groups that do both, so in my area you never get exposed to the other type of dance. Jim Morgan On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 9:47 AM, Ellen Tepper wrote: > I had the same reaction, that there were sides to be taken. > Having no real horse of my own, I felt alone in the middle. > Submitted the survey anyway. > > Ellen > > Most of the questions require us to be on > > one > > side or the other. > > > > The further I went in the survey the more pressured I felt to take > > sides > >> Cammy > > > > > > -- Jim Morgan (812) 322-7172 morganjj-AT-gmail.com ------=_Part_10407_26627553.1209737891476 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Yes, I didn't answer that question, and added a comment in the next one that the group I first joined did English and contras interchangeably (the Baltimore group under Bob Dalsemer at Lovely Lane).  My answer to the question about obstacles to learning the other when you know the one type of dance was that the primary obstacle these days is the lack of groups that do both, so in my area you never get exposed to the other type of dance.
Jim Morgan

On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 9:47 AM, Ellen Tepper <etepper-AT-juno.com> wrote:
 I had the same reaction, that there were sides to be taken.
Having no real horse of my own, I felt alone in the middle.
Submitted the survey anyway.

Ellen

 Most of the questions require us to be on
> one
> side or the other.
>
> The further I went in the survey the more pressured I felt to take
> sides
>> Cammy
>
>




--
Jim Morgan
(812) 322-7172
morganjj-AT-gmail.com ------=_Part_10407_26627553.1209737891476-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 07:24:36 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] English and contra survey; please spread around MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Campbell Kaynor Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 10:24:19 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Thanks, Ridge Kennedy, for taking my criticism in such a constructive light. I see now that some of what you were hoping to glean from this is the mindset of those who feel in one camp or the other, in order to know where the barriers lie so that efforts to break down those barriers or perceptions can be focused more effectively. For that purpose it is probably a fine survey. Thanks, Cammy ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 07:40:55 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 10:40:42 -0400 From: "Ridge Kennedy" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] English and contra survey; please spread around MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20080502.094719.2952.0.etepper-AT-juno.com> Jim said: > dance was that the primary obstacle these days is the lack of groups that do > both, so in my area you never get exposed to the other type of dance. > Jim Morgan I believe you could add that to the list of pre-disposed prejudices embedded in the survey. The conversation that set this off began with a message I sent to the trad-dance list theorizing that "American" dances would benefit by starting ECD dances in there communities if there were none accessible at present. It's a subject I hope to revisit in time. Sincerely, R. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 08:07:10 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <481B2E0F.6000408-AT-efdss.org> Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 16:06:55 +0100 From: Elaine Bradtke Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] English and contra survey; please spread around References: <00A78FAA.9DABEA12.13709-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 09:47:18 -0400 > From: Ellen Tepper > Subject: Re: [ECD] English and contra survey; please spread around > Message-ID: <20080502.094719.2952.0.etepper-AT-juno.com> > > I had the same reaction, that there were sides to be taken. > Having no real horse of my own, I felt alone in the middle. > Submitted the survey anyway. > > Ellen > > Most of the questions require us to be on >> one >> side or the other. >> >> The further I went in the survey the more pressured I felt to take >> sides >>> Cammy I suspect many of us on the list are in the middle. I don't think it was intended to be the epitome of scientific research, just a chance to elicit opinions in a light-hearted manner. After all, what does one's taste in beer or sausages have to do with it? The information I'd be interested in seeing is the when / how / why around someone's first experiences in either or both ECD and Contra. My first social dance experience was square dancing (not an option in the survey). Our high school orchestra director was from Kentucky and we had an annual Beethoven's Birthday party that featured a pal of his calling squares to recordings. None of us had any experience with square dancing, but as musicians, we could count and hear the phrasing. It was good fun and a real eye-opener (you mean square dancing doesn't have to look like what they do on Hee-Haw?) High school seems to me a better age group for informal social dancing than elementary school when they're still in the 'eeeeeeeeeewwwwwwww I have to dance with boys/girls?!!' stage. I went to my first contra dance as part of a research project on local fiddle styles in grad school, and I went to my first ECD to sit in the open band after a few of my fellow morris dancers told me about it. Music for me was the initial draw, and it's still very important. When I took up Breton dancing I left my fiddle at home because I wanted to dance! Elaine P.S. as for my mac comment in the previous post it was followed by a wink ;-) and not to be taken too seriously. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 08:13:15 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] English and contra survey; please spread around MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Campbell Kaynor Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 11:12:58 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Ridge Kennedy says: "The conversation that set this off began with a message I sent to the trad-dance list theorizing that "American" dances would benefit by starting ECD dances in there communities if there were none accessible at present. It's a subject I hope to revisit in time." Absolutely! This is precisely the reason I introduced ECD to the CT valley in Massachusetts. Those in that area who already loved ECD could and already did go to Hartford, Manchester, New Haven, or Boston to get their English fix. I wanted the regular contradancers to get some experience at English because I thought it would be the best way to improve on their contradance technique (mainly timing issues) so I brought the English to them. Getting the contradancers to drive a couple hours for English was not going to happen. When it was right in their town or when the evening had an English half and a contra half, it was easy to get them there. Although only a small subset were open enough to try the English, it seemed to have a profound and expanding effect on the contradancers in general. Sensitivity to timing issues that were picked up by the subset who went to my ECD was passed on to those who had not attended in a way that was inoffensive to the average dancers. Nobody was "telling them" to do something or reprimanding them for poor timing. They just got to feel how right it is from the people around them. They also gained an appreciation for contemporary contras that incorporated English moves (e.g., gypsies, heys, novel progressions). I think your theory, Ridge, is right on and I hope the data you accumulate will move it forward. Cammy ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 08:35:32 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) References: <01MUA96AXQ1G8XKJPO-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-ID: <4BBF1DD2-8B53-40D0-8B38-9476E6085540-AT-iwu.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Lawrence Stout Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] English and contra survey; please spread around Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 10:35:16 -0500 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu I filled out the survey. While I regularly drive 100 miles for ECD, I don't drive the same distance for contra, so I guess I have at least a slight preference. While the first dances I remember doing were traditional squares (I was about 7 at the time), the first group I danced in did a mix of ECD, Scottish country dance, and Danish. I danced in Scottish, international, and morris performance groups for a few years before being introduced to contra. ECD and traditional squares have been done in my family for 4-5 generations. Contra reached my part of the midwest in the late 1970's, a much shorter history. If I'm in the middle of the room it's a room with ECD and RSCDS. That said, some of my best dancing experiences have been at dance camps which included several related forms: ECD, Scottish, contra, morris, rapper, Irish set dances, waltz, round dance, squares, Kentucky running set. They also included all ages from <1 to >90. It's a thrill dancing contra corners with three generations of the same family. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 08:56:27 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 08:56:05 -0700 (PDT) From: SUSAN Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] Reactions to the Dance Survey To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <76071.50767.qm-AT-web80205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I had a similar response to this well-intentioned survey as others seem to have experienced: it made me choose between things I care about a great deal, and I have trouble with that sort of prioritizing. There are a lot of shade of gray which appear to me to have been omitted from this survey, though it's certainly a start and I commend those who put it together. However... Who says "The Levi Jackson Rag" is "rowdy"? Not when correctly danced - it's lively, exuberant, but very phrased (with room for recovery here and there) and not at all rough or dangerous - when it's danced as intended and by dancers who know the dance or who are willing to learn it. I don't find the LJR to be at all similar to some of the mindlessly repetitious, unimaginative, stomp-and- swing-everything-in-sight-and-spin-at-every-opportunity, any-old-jig-or-reel-will-do contras that keep on endlessly droning down the floor. It's not even a contra - it's a mixer, and an extremely clever, musical, creative and (literally!) inspired one. So I had a terrible time answering this question, as I love the LJR for many reasons - some sentimental - and heartily dislike the mind-numbing stomp-swing-and-spin contras. But I DO like good contras, both the old chestnuts and the newly composed creative and imaginative ones that really work, with flow, connection, musicality, and drive. Just wish my still-gimpy-but-improving post-surgical knee would let me dance any or all - almost all- of the above...maybe I'd be less curmudgeonly then. Still hoping to dance again someday, Susan Booker Lexington, KY ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 09:14:33 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) References: <76071.50767.qm-AT-web80205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--490464698 Message-ID: From: Carl Friedman Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Reactions to the Dance Survey Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 12:16:09 -0400 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu --Apple-Mail-3--490464698 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I had no difficulty filling out the survey. As with ALL surveys, it was necessary to choose between options that don't perfectly reflect my opinion or experience. But you can't tally results in a survey if you turn it into an essay test. Of course there are gray areas. If a given question is too hard, it can be skipped. This survey isn't just "well-intentioned," it is actually quite interesting, with appropriate questions that should yield interesting results. What more could one want from such an undertaking? Many thanks to Ridge for doing this! Carl On May 2, 2008, at 11:56 AM, SUSAN wrote: > I had a similar response to this well-intentioned > survey as others seem to have experienced: it made me > choose between things I care about a great deal, and I > have trouble with that sort of prioritizing. There are > a lot of shade of gray which appear to me to have been > omitted from this survey, though it's certainly a > start and I commend those who put it together. > --Apple-Mail-3--490464698 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
I had no = difficulty filling out the survey. As with ALL surveys, it was necessary = to choose between options that don't perfectly reflect my opinion or = experience. But you can't tally results in a survey if you turn it into = an essay test. Of course there are gray areas. If a given question is = too hard, it can be skipped.=A0

This survey = isn't just "well-intentioned," it is actually quite interesting, with = appropriate questions that should yield interesting results. What more = could one want from such an undertaking? Many thanks to Ridge for doing = this!

Carl

=
On May 2, 2008, at 11:56 AM, SUSAN wrote:

I had a similar response to this = well-intentioned
survey as others seem to have = experienced: it made me
choose = between things I care about a great deal, and I
have trouble with that sort of prioritizing. There = are
a lot of shade of gray which = appear to me to have been
omitted from = this survey, though it's certainly a
start and I = commend those who put it together.

= --Apple-Mail-3--490464698-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 09:19:43 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Reactions to the Dance Survey MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Campbell Kaynor Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 12:19:27 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Addendum to Susan's post about difficulty in responding to the question of Levi Jackson Rag. As one might glean from previous discussion on this list not so long ago, at my dances LJR is considered a contradance rather than an English dance. That made the question doubly hard to answer. Cammy ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 09:28:56 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--489599551 Message-ID: <9A7DB249-9707-483F-BBA8-567E9FB3D041-AT-alumni.williams.edu> From: Carl Friedman Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Reactions to the Dance Survey Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 12:30:34 -0400 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu --Apple-Mail-4--489599551 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed LJR gets done occasionally at both our ECD and our contra dances. It's no more rowdy than the average contra dance, rowdier than Fair and Softly but less rowdy than Morpeth Rant. Carl On May 2, 2008, at 12:19 PM, Campbell Kaynor wrote: > Addendum to Susan's post about difficulty in responding to the > question of > Levi Jackson Rag. > As one might glean from previous discussion on this list not so > long ago, > at my dances LJR is considered a contradance rather than an English > dance. > That made the question doubly hard to answer. > Cammy --Apple-Mail-4--489599551 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 LJR gets done occasionally at both our ECD and our contra = dances.
It's no more rowdy than the average contra dance, rowdier = than Fair and Softly but less rowdy than Morpeth Rant.=A0

Carl

On May 2, 2008, at 12:19 PM, Campbell Kaynor = wrote:

Addendum to Susan's post about = difficulty in responding to the question of
Levi = Jackson Rag.
As one might glean from previous = discussion on this list not so long ago,
at my = dances LJR is considered a contradance rather than an English = dance.
That made the question doubly = hard to answer.
Cammy
=

= --Apple-Mail-4--489599551-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 09:30:30 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu From: Dfhart24-AT-aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 12:30:09 EDT Subject: Re: [ECD] English and contra survey; please spread around To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In my experience, it is most helpful to introduce even very young children to traditional dancing. I've found that it is better to catch them when they are quite young, thankful to be moving about-- and before they become so self-conscious. In our local family dance we've had three and four year-olds on up. When I've taught at the local school, K-8, the third and fourth graders were far more enthusiastic overall than the seventh and eighth graders, who considered this to be something odd that they were being made to do. (Of course, there are always a certain number of "good" students in the older group who are enthusiastic and helpful, but one also gets the too-cool-for-that foot draggers, and I think programs initiated much earlier are apt to be much more effective-- and possibly instill a lifelong receptivity to what we love to do. - Deborah Forest Hart Musician, Artist, Quilter http://hometown.aol.com/dfhart24/myhomepage/profile.html In a message dated 5/2/2008 11:08:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, eb-AT-efdss.org writes: It was good fun and a real eye-opener (you mean square dancing doesn't have to look like what they do on Hee-Haw?) High school seems to me a better age group for informal social dancing than elementary school when they're still in the 'eeeeeeeeeewwwwwwww I have to dance with boys/girls?!!' stage. **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 09:35:14 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Reactions to the Dance Survey MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Campbell Kaynor Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 12:34:57 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Carl Friedman Sent by: owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu 02-May-2008 12:16 PM Please respond to ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Message Size: 6.4 KB To ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu cc Subject Re: [ECD] Reactions to the Dance Survey I had no difficulty filling out the survey. As with ALL surveys, it was necessary to choose between options that don't perfectly reflect my opinion or experience. But you can't tally results in a survey if you turn it into an essay test. Of course there are gray areas. If a given question is too hard, it can be skipped. This survey isn't just "well-intentioned," it is actually quite interesting, with appropriate questions that should yield interesting results. What more could one want from such an undertaking? Many thanks to Ridge for doing this! Carl I think what Carl says is true, but it is also good for the surveyors to be aware of the fact that the subset whose feedback they have received does not include a portion of the dance community who "skipped" some questions or failed to respond at all as this can impact how they analyze the data. One comment I received from another list in regards to this survey (from a contra/English/Morris dancer): "I did enjoy taking it! I also signed up to get the results..." A different individual from the same group responded: "I looked at it and it made me want to take arsenic, so I stopped, preferring life to certain death." Perhaps it was the intention of the survey to gain data from the former and not the latter. That's fine so long as one recognizes that when a survey is skewed from the start to favor certain respondents and leave out others, the information extracted from it should be viewed and analyzed in that light. Cammy ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 10:34:42 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu From: Dfhart24-AT-aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 13:34:21 EDT Subject: Re: [ECD] English and contra survey; please spread around To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Another issue I had with the survey was with the question about what form/s of dancing I "do." There's a huge difference in how I interpret that---making a distinction between what kind of dancing I mostly choose to do these days, and what kind of dancing I know how do to, have historically done a great deal of, even performing, teaching, and which I may not be doing so much of, or any of, right now. Presumably, there are dances I can do, occasionally do, and especially, would do if an opportunity arose-- in addition to the dancing I most regularly currently seek out. For me, it is the difference between checking off one selection, and a great many selections. I'd think this would also skew the results, depending on what the question was trying to elicit. So I wrestled with what to do about "do." In the end, I checked off only one selection, rather than the smorgasboard that might better represent all that I have done, and would like to think (still) I do do, so well. . . Much ado about something, Deborah - Deborah Forest Hart Musician, Artist, Quilter http://hometown.aol.com/dfhart24/myhomepage/profile.html > **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 10:50:36 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 10:50:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Barbara Ruth Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] English and contra survey; please spread around To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <595660.57357.qm-AT-web52410.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I always say, indoctrinate them young and by the time they realize how weird this stuff really is it'll be too late. "It is my supposition that the Universe is not only queerer than we imagine, it is queerer than we can imagine." J.B.S. Haldane (British geneticist 1892-1964) ----- Original Message ---- From: "Dfhart24-AT-aol.com" In my experience, it is most helpful to introduce even very young children to traditional dancing. I've found that it is better to catch them when they are quite young, thankful to be moving about-- and before they become so self-conscious. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 10:55:48 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 10:55:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Barbara Ruth Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] English and contra survey; please spread around To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <857858.33897.qm-AT-web52402.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Yes, I had the same reaction to that - there's what I do now, what I would like to do more of if there were particular dances nearer, what I do when I'm at summer camp, what I was just getting into before knee injury precluded going further etc. In the end I selected only what I have been doing regularly for the past several years. "It is my supposition that the Universe is not only queerer than we imagine, it is queerer than we can imagine." J.B.S. Haldane (British geneticist 1892-1964) ----- Original Message ---- From: "Dfhart24-AT-aol.com" To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Sent: Friday, May 2, 2008 1:34:21 PM Subject: Re: [ECD] English and contra survey; please spread around Another issue I had with the survey was with the question about what form/s of dancing I "do." There's a huge difference in how I interpret that---making a distinction between what kind of dancing I mostly choose to do these days, and what kind of dancing I know how do to, have historically done a great deal of, even performing, teaching, and which I may not be doing so much of, or any of, right now. Presumably, there are dances I can do, occasionally do, and especially, would do if an opportunity arose-- in addition to the dancing I most regularly currently seek out. For me, it is the difference between checking off one selection, and a great many selections. I'd think this would also skew the results, depending on what the question was trying to elicit. So I wrestled with what to do about "do." In the end, I checked off only one selection, rather than the smorgasboard that might better represent all that I have done, and would like to think (still) I do do, so well. . . Much ado about something, Deborah - Deborah Forest Hart Musician, Artist, Quilter http://hometown.aol.com/dfhart24/myhomepage/profile.html > **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 11:32:51 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 14:31:50 -0400 Subject: Re: [ECD] English and contra survey; please spread around From: Ruth Scodel Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Many of us don't like being asked to choose. But I have a daughter who would never go to an English dance; Levi Jackson and Yellow Stockings are about the only things she likes--and in Yellow Stockings she does a two-footed stomp before each change of the rights and lefts (which is, in my opinion, fun). That seems pretty common among young contra dancers; I'm guessing some of them will like ECD better as they get older. My own perfect evening would be 40- 45% Scottish, 40-45% ECD, with a mixture of rowdy, lively but disciplined, and slow/elegant, and 2-3 contras, one an old classic and one a Becket with diagonal moves. The hard thing about surveys like this is that they can't cover all the nuances. I like skip-change and I don't mind a little ranting or step-hop now and then, but I don't like most of the dances that include ranting and step-hop. I would sit out the squares if they were always announced in advance, but often they aren't and I've accepted a partner before I know it's a square. Every now and then I actually like one, although the odds are against. It is possible for bangers and mash to be good, but I'm not sure it's ever happened in the universe I actually inhabit. Nonetheless, they can tell us things we wouldn't otherwise know. RS ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 12:41:10 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 15:40:55 -0400 From: susan-AT-elegantarts.org Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] English and contra survey; please spread around Message-ID: <20080502194055.GA18904-AT-lse.org> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Fri, May 02, 2008 at 02:31:50PM -0400, Ruth Scodel wrote: > My own perfect evening would be 40- 45% Scottish, 40-45% ECD, with a mixture > of rowdy, lively but disciplined, and slow/elegant, and 2-3 contras, one an > old classic and one a Becket with diagonal moves. I'm so glad I'm not the only one who would like to see more mixed events! I'd enjoy one that was split evenly in thirds more than I'd enjoy a full evening of any of the three. Susan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 15:00:16 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu From: "Mo" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: References: <20080502194055.GA18904-AT-lse.org> Subject: RE: [ECD] English and contra survey; please spread around Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 22:59:59 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of susan-AT-ELEGANTARTS.ORG I'm so glad I'm not the only one who would like to see more mixed events! I'd enjoy one that was split evenly in thirds more than I'd enjoy a full evening of any of the three. Susan No, Susan, you are not the only one. Jim and I just had a party to celebrate our Ruby Wedding and a couple of 'round number' birthdays (175 years of him, me , and us). Rhodri Davies called an excellent mixed dance for us - we'd asked for Some old favourites Some new dances (he actually wrote a brand new one for us) Some traditional dances (from all corners of the UK and Ireland) Squares Contras (but not going on for ever as some of our friends are in their eighties) Some gentle dances and some lively ones Playford dances Some easy dances that everyone could do, even family members who haven't done much or any before Some interesting dances to keep all our dance friends happy And a warning after each dance about what sort the next dance would be, so that we knew who to drag onto the floor. I don't know he managed to do all of that, but he got it just right. Only one Scottish dance - High Peak - with a warning that it was the hardest of the evening, but then we only do Scottish dancing at the occasional festival workshop, or when a caller slips one into a programme. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.7/1408 - Release Date: 30/04/2008 18:10 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 01:47:27 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu From: "Alan Corkett" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: Subject: RE: [ECD] English and contra survey; please spread around Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 09:47:00 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear All, Very interesting! "I have great faith in the dance as a vehicle for sociability", so said Jack Hamilton. Whereas, I often wondered whether dance attracted people with these attributes or if it enabled people to develop them or express themselves more fully through dance movement. I sense the Scottish C.D fraternity as being rather separate from the English strands. But then depending how you want to fragment your population, one may say the same of Contra, Playford, Morris, Clog, etc, who all possibly prefer their own dance form, to the exclusion of all else. I remember after the war going to International dances where one was quite intrigued to find dances from a wide range of diverse nationalities, and being surprised if there was something that was listed as "England" or "English", as though we did not belong to the world! This could refer to anything ranging from Newcastle to Cumberland Square Eight. I would be interested to run an event at Halsway Manor (the SIFD are there now; it always clashes with Eastbourne Folk Festival!) which could attract these multiple-interest dancers to fill the hall. We could vary the mix according to popular demand. I wonder how that would work out! What proportions and would they come in sufficient numbers? Answers on a postcard and we will run it. Very interesting! Alan Corkett Events Manager Halsway Manor Society. -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [mailto:owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu]On Behalf Of Mo Sent: 02 May 2008 23:00 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: [ECD] English and contra survey; please spread around -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of susan-AT-ELEGANTARTS.ORG I'm so glad I'm not the only one who would like to see more mixed events! I'd enjoy one that was split evenly in thirds more than I'd enjoy a full evening of any of the three. Susan No, Susan, you are not the only one. Jim and I just had a party to celebrate our Ruby Wedding and a couple of 'round number' birthdays (175 years of him, me , and us). Rhodri Davies called an excellent mixed dance for us - we'd asked for Some old favourites Some new dances (he actually wrote a brand new one for us) Some traditional dances (from all corners of the UK and Ireland) Squares Contras (but not going on for ever as some of our friends are in their eighties) Some gentle dances and some lively ones Playford dances Some easy dances that everyone could do, even family members who haven't done much or any before Some interesting dances to keep all our dance friends happy And a warning after each dance about what sort the next dance would be, so that we knew who to drag onto the floor. I don't know he managed to do all of that, but he got it just right. Only one Scottish dance - High Peak - with a warning that it was the hardest of the evening, but then we only do Scottish dancing at the occasional festival workshop, or when a caller slips one into a programme. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.7/1408 - Release Date: 30/04/2008 18:10 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 05:37:25 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 07:36:57 CDT Subject: Re: [ECD] English and contra survey; please spread around From: davbarnert-AT-aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu CC: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: I agree with both Cammy and Ellen. From the very first question, I felt like I had to fudge my opinion to make it fit: | Have you had enough experience with both English Country Dancing | (ECD) and American-style contra dancing to have an opinion about | which one you prefer? | | * Yes | * No, I don't have enough experience with ECD. | * No, I don't know enough about American dancing. | * No, I'm not really familiar with either. I've had +/- 30 years experience with each and have no preference. What do I choose? I considered just closing the browser window, but I was curious, and went on (I clicked "yes"). Many other questions were poorly designed. One set that stands out is the sequence of beer preferences, headed by: | How do you feel about the following: | | 5 = very Positive | 4 = Sort of Positive | 3 = No Opinion | 2 = Sort of Negative | 1 = Very Negative I don't drink any kind of beer. Do I put "1" (which is not true) or "3" (which, while closer to the truth, seems to imply in the context of the survey that it bestows more points than "1" or "2," which is not what I intend to convey)? If you seriously want to learn something about the dancing population and it's opinions, the only way to do it is with a well-designed study. This is not one. No statistically valid conclusions can be drawn from the results. David Barnert Albany NY ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 09:04:04 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 09:03:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Epstein Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] Re: English and contra survey To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <914435.12461.qm-AT-web57714.mail.re3.yahoo.com> To the poster who slighted Hee-Haw: Like you I thought that show was awful -- then -- but what talent those people had! You realize that when some of those from that show who are still alive are "guests" on Asleep at the Wheel recordings. And Frank Sinatra and others didn't do the occasional "country" song for nothing. To the poster who complained about Levi Jackson: My feelings entirely, as I've explained to Ridge elsewhere. It's only highly phrased ECD disguised as fun, like putting spinach in mashed potatoes:) To Ridge: Thanks for enlarging the beer choices. And how many times can we vote? :) Steve Epstein Lancaster, PA, USA ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 11:23:52 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 14:23:37 -0400 From: "Ridge Kennedy" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Re: English and contra survey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <914435.12461.qm-AT-web57714.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Steve said: > To Ridge: Thanks for enlarging the beer choices. You're welcome. I am personally a fan of Yeungling Black and Tan. > how many times can we vote? :) Play nice. R. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 12:00:33 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <200805031900.m43J0EYp008658-AT-quartz1.mhtc.net> Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 13:59:52 -0500 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu From: Michael Mudrey Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Re: English and contra survey References: <914435.12461.qm-AT-web57714.mail.re3.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I prefer Guinness or Spotted Cow, or Leinenkugel Red At 01:23 PM 5/3/2008, you wrote: >Steve said: > > > To Ridge: Thanks for enlarging the beer choices. > >You're welcome. I am personally a fan of Yeungling Black and Tan. > > > how many times can we vote? :) > >Play nice. > >R. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 12:18:56 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <200805031918.m43JIfV3009208-AT-quartz1.mhtc.net> Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 14:18:18 -0500 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu From: Michael Mudrey Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Re: English and contra survey References: <914435.12461.qm-AT-web57714.mail.re3.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Juice of Barley At 01:23 PM 5/3/2008, you wrote: >Steve said: > > > To Ridge: Thanks for enlarging the beer choices. > >You're welcome. I am personally a fan of Yeungling Black and Tan. > > > how many times can we vote? :) > >Play nice. > >R. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 13:19:02 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: From: Frederic Emigh Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Subject: Re: [ECD] Re: English and contra survey Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 16:18:45 -0400 References: <914435.12461.qm-AT-web57714.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <200805031918.m43JIfV3009208-AT-quartz1.mhtc.net> Double Bag (Long Trail Ale) Fred (from Vermont) >> Steve said: >> >> > To Ridge: Thanks for enlarging the beer choices. >> >> You're welcome. I am personally a fan of Yeungling Black and Tan. >> >> > how many times can we vote? :) >> >> Play nice. >> >> R. > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 16:20:12 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 16:19:55 -0700 (PDT) From: SUSAN Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] Re: Reactions to the Dance Survey To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <277862.19305.qm-AT-web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> As I previously stated, I certainly commend Ridge and others who had the ingenious idea of surveying dancers. I also thank them for it. My criticisms of and personal reactions to the survey were intended to be constructive. I think that such a survey is a very good idea, but I also think that some fine-tuning of the choices offered would result in more helpful responses and better identification of both successes and problems in the dance community. Unless you like dance history trivia, the rest of this message is skippable. I've always thought that "The Levi Jackson Rag" is unique: written by an Englishman, in tribute to a popular fall dance weekend at Levi Jackson State Park (which was named for a pioneer judge, not a football player) in London, Kentucky, at the behest of the director of the Berea College Country Dancers, it's danced to ragtime music specifically composed for the dance, as its name indicates. I see it as being neither a contra nor a square, nor being in the manner of traditional historic English dances. If "The Levi Jackson Rag" is assigned to any dance type, I'd have to describe it as a lively, phrased mixer - but a mixer for five couples, done in a horseshoe formation (to fit around the two floor-to-ceiling wooden posts which were a feature of the late lamented group camp house [home of the dance weekend], which burned about fifteen years ago and has been rebuilt minus the posts), with figures associated with contras, squares, and traditional English dances all three, but deftly arranged into something entirely new, different and delightful. I see "The Levi Jackson Rag" as a wonderful, exuberant, non-spinach-y, non-potato-y dance, the mention of which reminds me of the old (justifiably) obscure party game, "What vegetable would you choose to be, and why?" (not to mention, "and why would you choose to be a vegetable, anyway??") If others find it more to their tastes to discover other flavors in this dance, perhaps it could be thought of as "The Levi Jackson Ragout" instead, as I believe has been suggested previously, as it incorporates elements of several other dance forms and styles into its justifiably much-loved, uniquely delicious self. I wish there were more opportunities to savor it. Thanks again for a good discussion-stimulating survey. Susan Booker Lexington, KY ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 20:05:57 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 20:05:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Re: English and contra survey To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <373691.5510.qm-AT-web39702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Steven Epstein wrote: > It's only highly phrased ECD disguised as > fun, like putting spinach in mashed potatoes:) Some people just don't like spinich. ;-}) Andy in Portland ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 23:16:41 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 23:16:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: [ECD]flat feet To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <9488.87761.qm-AT-web39707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Victoria Bestock wrote: > There are probably a lot more exceptions than that. I can think of > flat-footed, or heel-first Hungarian dances. I've seen Swedes take > the first dal-step of a hambo heel first (not all do, regional > difference I think). Japanese Bon dances step on the flat foot, > all the bend in the knees, not the feet. Native American pow wow > dances can be flat-footed, even though some of the solo dances > aren't. But with the Scots and Irish dancing on the balls of the > feet, or at least landing there first, I think their English cousins > probably did too. There certainly are many Scandinavian dances in which _some_ steps are on the heel, or even pivot on the heel. That's been a very difficult thing for me to learn, having spent so many years dancing primarily on the balls of my feet. Andy in Portland ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 23:22:00 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu From: "Alan Corkett" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: Subject: RE: [ECD] English and contra survey; please spread around Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 07:21:36 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Mo How brilliant that Rhodri Davies wrote a new dance for your occasion. Also the matter of mixed dancing is quite an issue for us at Chippenham Festival. As a Contra Band, Meltdown we find is playing more "mixed" programmes than contra programmes! Whereas ECDB will be playing virtually all contra. I expect many more dancers attend for the mixed programmes. In your note, I am also very impressed with some of the other categories of dance that you highlighted as being included. It may be of course many callers or programme designers might have included some of the dances that you did, for different reasons, "they like that particular dance", but it was appropriate also for some of the reasons you specify; - we'd asked for; Some old favourites (one rarely goes to a dance and dances material you have done before, as there is such a large repertoire. This is why evening dances end up like workshops with 3/4 of the time spent on teaching and 2 mins on dancing. Some new dances (he actually wrote a brand new one for us) Some traditional dances (from all corners of the UK and Ireland) (very British! In France you are supposed to only perform dances from your part of the country or village!) Squares Contras (but not going on for ever as some of our friends are in their eighties) (- this is very much a UK request that beyond 12 times thro') Some gentle dances and some lively ones Playford dances Some easy dances that everyone could do, even family members who haven't done much or any before (-how considerate!) Some interesting dances to keep all our dance friends happy -(again how considerate!) And a warning after each dance about what sort the next dance would be, so that we knew who to drag onto the floor. (That is most interesting otherwise guests find they have to sit down again! Very embarrassing for newcomers) Best wishes Alan Corkett leader of Meltdown --------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [mailto:owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu]On Behalf Of Mo Sent: 02 May 2008 23:00 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: [ECD] English and contra survey; please spread around -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of susan-AT-ELEGANTARTS.ORG I'm so glad I'm not the only one who would like to see more mixed events! I'd enjoy one that was split evenly in thirds more than I'd enjoy a full evening of any of the three. Susan No, Susan, you are not the only one. Jim and I just had a party to celebrate our Ruby Wedding and a couple of 'round number' birthdays (175 years of him, me , and us). Rhodri Davies called an excellent mixed dance for us - we'd asked for; Some old favourites Some new dances (he actually wrote a brand new one for us) Some traditional dances (from all corners of the UK and Ireland) Squares Contras (but not going on for ever as some of our friends are in their eighties) Some gentle dances and some lively ones Playford dances Some easy dances that everyone could do, even family members who haven't done much or any before Some interesting dances to keep all our dance friends happy And a warning after each dance about what sort the next dance would be, so that we knew who to drag onto the floor. I don't know he managed to do all of that, but he got it just right. Only one Scottish dance - High Peak - with a warning that it was the hardest of the evening, but then we only do Scottish dancing at the occasional festival workshop, or when a caller slips one into a programme. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.7/1408 - Release Date: 30/04/2008 18:10 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 02:24:44 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu From: "Mo" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: References: <914435.12461.qm-AT-web57714.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <200805031918.m43JIfV3009208-AT-quartz1.mhtc.net> Subject: RE: [ECD] Re: English and contra survey Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 10:24:27 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm puzzled as to what they were doing there anyway. At EFDSS clubs we have a 'nice cup of tea' in the interval. -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [mailto:owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of Frederic Emigh Sent: 03 May 2008 21:19 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Re: English and contra survey Double Bag (Long Trail Ale) Fred (from Vermont) >> Steve said: >> >> > To Ridge: Thanks for enlarging the beer choices. >> >> You're welcome. I am personally a fan of Yeungling Black and Tan. >> >> > how many times can we vote? :) >> >> Play nice. >> >> R. > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1412 - Release Date: 02/05/2008 16:34 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1412 - Release Date: 02/05/2008 16:34 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 02:40:09 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu From: "Mo" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: References: <277862.19305.qm-AT-web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [ECD] Levi J (was Reactions to the Dance Survey) Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 10:39:54 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some time ago (maybe 20 years, how time flies) Levi Jackson was VERY popular and widely danced here. And some-one had the bright idea of putting 2 horseshoes end to end, dancing most of the dance in 5 couples but progressing round the whole set. The first time I met it I thought it was clever, but the dance doesn't need it, I'd rather dance it as written. I suppose well loved dances give rise to variations and pale imitations. -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [mailto:owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of SUSAN Sent: 04 May 2008 00:20 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] Re: Reactions to the Dance Survey If "The Levi Jackson Rag" is assigned to any dance type, I'd have to describe it as a lively, phrased mixer - but a mixer for five couples, done in a horseshoe formation (to fit around the two floor-to-ceiling wooden posts which were a feature of the late lamented group camp house [home of the dance weekend], which burned about fifteen years ago and has been rebuilt minus the posts), with figures associated with contras, squares, and traditional English dances all three, but deftly arranged into something entirely new, different and delightful. I see "The Levi Jackson Rag" as a wonderful, exuberant, dance, I wish there were more opportunities to savor it. Susan Booker Lexington, KY No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1412 - Release Date: 02/05/2008 16:34 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1412 - Release Date: 02/05/2008 16:34 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 03:34:19 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu From: "Mo" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: References: Subject: RE: [ECD] English and contra survey; please spread around Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 11:33:58 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chippenham always starts and finishes with a 'mixed' dance, I suppose because there are not so many dancers so no need for separate specialist dances. Though as more of us retire more are staying on overnight on the last day (no work to get back for), so they had an extra last year I think. Whitby 25 years ago was notorious for mismatching bands and callers (Gas Mark Five / John Lagdon sort of thing -Eceilidh/Playford). Rhodri and Alberio are very good at the 'mixed programme, party dances' they have done several for our club members. -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [mailto:owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Corkett Sent: 04 May 2008 07:22 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: [ECD] English and contra survey; please spread around Hi Mo How brilliant that Rhodri Davies wrote a new dance for your occasion. Also the matter of mixed dancing is quite an issue for us at Chippenham Festival. As a Contra Band, Meltdown we find is playing more "mixed" programmes than contra programmes! Whereas ECDB will be playing virtually all contra. I expect many more dancers attend for the mixed programmes. In your note, I am also very impressed with some of the other categories of dance that you highlighted as being included. It may be of course many callers or programme designers might have included some of the dances that you did, for different reasons, "they like that particular dance", but it was appropriate also for some of the reasons you specify; No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1412 - Release Date: 02/05/2008 16:34 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 07:28:58 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-ID: <524fe0f2122ed3723ed36a646fa1b054-AT-alumni.williams.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Carl Friedman Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] Medoncino Redwoods (?) Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 10:28:33 -0400 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Hi, At NEFFA I did a dance that (I think) was called "Mendocino Redwoods", written at Mendocino by a committee. I meant to ask the caller (Ted Rudofker) for a copy, but forgot. I'd like to call it tomorrow night. Does anyone the list have it (and - bonus points - the correct name, the tune, and the names of the authors)? Thanks! Carl ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 07:48:30 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: [ECD] Levi J (was Reactions to the Dance Survey) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Campbell Kaynor Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 10:48:11 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" "...And some-one had the bright idea of putting 2 horseshoes end to end, dancing most of the dance in 5 couples but progressing round the whole set..." One of my favorite features of this dance is that it is easily adaptable to almost any number of couples. Adjustments need to be made (e.g., if the number of couples is and you want everyone to have a turn at each positiion) but at least we don't have to leave people out when they show up after the walkthough has begun. CK ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 08:21:06 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu From: LYLFACEEM-AT-aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 11:20:44 EDT Subject: Re: [ECD] Medoncino Redwoods (?) To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1209914443" -------------------------------1209914443 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit found this on the web - maybe it will help Mendocino Redwoods - by Mary Devlin, Bob Fraley, Elizabeth Zekley October 17, 2007 Dance Leaders: Linda Nelson _lindan-AT-capecod.net_ (mailto:lindan-AT-capecod.net) sharon schenkel peru, ny In a message dated 5/4/2008 10:29:56 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, carlfriedman-AT-ALUMNI.WILLIAMS.EDU writes: "Mendocino Redwoods", **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) -------------------------------1209914443 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
found this on the web - maybe it will help
 
Mendoc= ino=20 Redwoods - by Mary Devlin, Bob Fraley, Elizabeth=20 Zekley
October 17, 2007
Dance=20 Leaders: Linda Nelson lindan-AT-capecod.net
 
sharon schenkel
peru, ny
 
In a message dated 5/4/2008 10:29:56 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=20 carlfriedman-AT-ALUMNI.WILLIAMS.EDU writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000=20 size=3D2>"Mendocino Redwoods",


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-------------------------------1209914443-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 08:37:59 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu From: "Janet Arnold" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: References: <524fe0f2122ed3723ed36a646fa1b054-AT-alumni.williams.edu> Subject: RE: [ECD] Medoncino Redwoods (?) Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 08:37:44 -0700 Message-ID: <000f01c8adfc$cbb43d50$631cb7f0$-AT-net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The dance is Mendocino Redwood, by Beth Zekley, Bob Fraley and Mary Devlin. It was called at our ball last evening. If you go to http://www.larkcamp.com/callers/woodlandswalkbeth.html . The music and dance instructions are there. It is a fun dance. Janet -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [mailto:owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of Carl Friedman Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 7:29 AM To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] Medoncino Redwoods (?) Hi, At NEFFA I did a dance that (I think) was called "Mendocino Redwoods", written at Mendocino by a committee. I meant to ask the caller (Ted Rudofker) for a copy, but forgot. I'd like to call it tomorrow night. Does anyone the list have it (and - bonus points - the correct name, the tune, and the names of the authors)? Thanks! Carl No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1412 - Release Date: 5/2/2008 4:34 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1412 - Release Date: 5/2/2008 4:34 PM ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 08:38:26 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu From: "Janet Arnold" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: References: <524fe0f2122ed3723ed36a646fa1b054-AT-alumni.williams.edu> Subject: RE: [ECD] Medoncino Redwoods (?) Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 08:38:11 -0700 Message-ID: <001001c8adfc$dc339130$949ab390$-AT-net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The tune I forgot to mention is Woodlands Walk on the same web site. Janet -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [mailto:owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of Carl Friedman Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 7:29 AM To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] Medoncino Redwoods (?) Hi, At NEFFA I did a dance that (I think) was called "Mendocino Redwoods", written at Mendocino by a committee. I meant to ask the caller (Ted Rudofker) for a copy, but forgot. I'd like to call it tomorrow night. Does anyone the list have it (and - bonus points - the correct name, the tune, and the names of the authors)? Thanks! Carl No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1412 - Release Date: 5/2/2008 4:34 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1412 - Release Date: 5/2/2008 4:34 PM ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 09:24:43 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: References: <524fe0f2122ed3723ed36a646fa1b054-AT-alumni.williams.edu> <001001c8adfc$dc339130$949ab390$-AT-net> Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 09:19:38 -0700 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu From: Mary Luckhardt Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: [ECD] Medoncino Redwoods (?) CC: "Janet Arnold" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" The tune is by Jonathan Jensen, and the dance was written at Mendocino as part of Gary Roodman's choreography class in 2005. Jonathan was also on staff that year, and the tune was new, too. Mary Luckhardt At 8:38 AM -0700 5/4/08, Janet Arnold wrote: >The tune I forgot to mention is Woodlands Walk on the same web site. >Janet > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu >[mailto:owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of Carl Friedman >Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 7:29 AM >To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu >Subject: [ECD] Medoncino Redwoods (?) > >Hi, >At NEFFA I did a dance that (I think) was called "Mendocino Redwoods", >written at Mendocino by a committee. I meant to ask the caller (Ted >Rudofker) for a copy, but forgot. I'd like to call it tomorrow night. >Does anyone the list have it (and - bonus points - the correct name, >the tune, and the names of the authors)? >Thanks! >Carl > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG. >Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1412 - Release Date: 5/2/2008 >4:34 PM > > >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG. >Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1412 - Release Date: 5/2/2008 >4:34 PM ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 20:29:06 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu From: "Chuck Roth" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: "'ECD'" Subject: [ECD] help needed with Heidenroeslein Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 22:28:44 -0500 Message-ID: <000601c8ae60$1f5f6ca0$6401a8c0-AT-SMILEY> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm trying to work up Heidenroeslein so I can teach it this week. I think I have good instructions, but they don't seem to work quite right. As I recall, this is a square mixer so that you waltz with a different partner each time and don't get your original partner back until the fourth time through. According to my calculations, after turning ptr R hands, corner L hands, M R hands across 3/4 and W L hands across 3/4, the locations of the dancers should be: W4 M2 M3 W3 W1 M1 M4 W2 Then after trading places: M2 W4 W1 M1 M3 W3 W2 M4 Then after honoring, you turn your back, face a new person, and do two changes of R's and L's (M CCW, W CW), which results in: W2 M4 M1 W1 W3 M3 M2 W4 After waltzing to the man's home, the result is: W1 M3 M4 W4 W2 M2 M1 W3 It looks like everyone is across from there original partner and you would get your original partner back after only two times through the dance. Where did I go wrong? Please help. -- Chuck Roth No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1413 - Release Date: 5/3/2008 11:22 AM ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 20:42:45 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) References: <000601c8ae60$1f5f6ca0$6401a8c0-AT-SMILEY> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-ID: <7bfefeb3d18b433e3d7818090c915603-AT-alumni.williams.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Carl Friedman Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] help needed with Heidenroeslein Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 23:42:25 -0400 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu After the two changes of R&L's, you need to go on to the next dancer, not stay with the person you with whom did the R-hand change. Carl On May 4, 2008, at 11:28 PM, Chuck Roth wrote: > I'm trying to work up Heidenroeslein so I can teach it this week. I > think I have good instructions, but they don't seem to work quite > right. As I recall, this is a square mixer so that you waltz with a > different partner each time and don't get your original partner back > until the fourth time through. > > According to my calculations, after turning ptr R hands, corner L > hands, M R hands across 3/4 and W L hands across 3/4, the locations of > the dancers should be: > > W4 M2 > > M3 W3 > W1 M1 > > M4 W2 > > Then after trading places: > > M2 W4 > > W1 M1 > M3 W3 > > W2 M4 > > Then after honoring, you turn your back, face a new person, and do two > changes of R's and L's (M CCW, W CW), which results in: > > W2 M4 > > M1 W1 > W3 M3 > > M2 W4 > > After waltzing to the man's home, the result is: > > W1 M3 > > M4 W4 > W2 M2 > > M1 W3 > > It looks like everyone is across from there original partner and you > would get your original partner back after only two times through the > dance. > > Where did I go wrong? Please help. > > -- Chuck Roth > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1413 - Release Date: > 5/3/2008 11:22 AM > > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 21:11:50 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 00:11:34 -0400 From: "Emily L. Ferguson" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] help needed with Heidenroeslein To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed References: <000601c8ae60$1f5f6ca0$6401a8c0-AT-SMILEY> Hmm. Does that include walzing with the one beyond the 2nd allemande? Late.... -- Emily L. Ferguson mailto:elf-AT-landsedgephoto.com 508-563-6822 New England landscapes, wooden boats and races http://www.landsedgephoto.com http://e-and-s.instaproofs.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 21:44:43 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu From: "Chuck Roth" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: Subject: RE: [ECD] help needed with Heidenroeslein Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 23:44:25 -0500 Message-ID: <000601c8ae6a$b1ed3b60$6401a8c0-AT-SMILEY> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, I understand that you waltz with the third person. If my diagram is correct after the trade places and honor, M1 & W4 pull by with the R hand to pass each other while M2 & W1 pull by right, etc. This puts original partners together and they pull by with the L hand to pass each other and meet a third person, which should result in the positions shown in my third diagram. I am obviously overlooking something, but I don't know what. If only I had a roomful of 8 dancers, I probably could solve this quickly. -- Chuck -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [mailto:owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of Carl Friedman Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 10:42 PM To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] help needed with Heidenroeslein After the two changes of R&L's, you need to go on to the next dancer, not stay with the person you with whom did the R-hand change. Carl On May 4, 2008, at 11:28 PM, Chuck Roth wrote: > I'm trying to work up Heidenroeslein so I can teach it this week. I > think I have good instructions, but they don't seem to work quite > right. As I recall, this is a square mixer so that you waltz with a > different partner each time and don't get your original partner back > until the fourth time through. > > According to my calculations, after turning ptr R hands, corner L > hands, M R hands across 3/4 and W L hands across 3/4, the locations of > the dancers should be: > > W4 M2 > > M3 W3 > W1 M1 > > M4 W2 > > Then after trading places: > > M2 W4 > > W1 M1 > M3 W3 > > W2 M4 > > Then after honoring, you turn your back, face a new person, and do two > changes of R's and L's (M CCW, W CW), which results in: > > W2 M4 > > M1 W1 > W3 M3 > > M2 W4 > > After waltzing to the man's home, the result is: > > W1 M3 > > M4 W4 > W2 M2 > > M1 W3 > > It looks like everyone is across from there original partner and you > would get your original partner back after only two times through the > dance. > > Where did I go wrong? Please help. > > -- Chuck Roth > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1413 - Release Date: > 5/3/2008 11:22 AM > > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1413 - Release Date: 5/3/2008 11:22 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1413 - Release Date: 5/3/2008 11:22 AM ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 22:33:26 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 01:33:05 -0400 From: "Emily L. Ferguson" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: [ECD] help needed with Heidenroeslein To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed References: <000601c8ae6a$b1ed3b60$6401a8c0-AT-SMILEY> Use playing cards. Tried and true method. -- Emily L. Ferguson mailto:elf-AT-landsedgephoto.com 508-563-6822 New England landscapes, wooden boats and races http://www.landsedgephoto.com http://e-and-s.instaproofs.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 22:35:55 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 01:35:38 -0400 From: "Emily L. Ferguson" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: [ECD] help needed with Heidenroeslein To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed References: <000601c8ae6a$b1ed3b60$6401a8c0-AT-SMILEY> Well you do the sashay change and then honor the one you sashayed past. Then you turn to the new one to do the R and the next after that for the L and waltz with the one after that. Does that help? late... -- Emily L. Ferguson mailto:elf-AT-landsedgephoto.com 508-563-6822 New England landscapes, wooden boats and races http://www.landsedgephoto.com http://e-and-s.instaproofs.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 23:06:59 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 22:54:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: [ECD] help needed with Heidenroeslein To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01MUEOZEMCLI8XAGYX-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=windows-1250 Chuck wrote: > I'm trying to work up Heidenroeslein so I can teach it this week. I > think I have good instructions, but they don't seem to work quite > right. As I recall, this is a square mixer so that you waltz with a > different partner each time and don't get your original partner back > until the fourth time through. Yes. > According to my calculations, after turning ptr R hands, corner L > hands, M R hands across 3/4 and W L hands across 3/4, the locations of > the dancers should be: > W4 M2 > M3 W3 > W1 M1 > M4 W2 It took me a while to figure out that your set was 3 4 2 1 in initial setup, although of course that's "callers-eye" view with you at the front of the room. But, yes, correct so far. Everybody's across from their initial partner. > Then after trading places: > M2 W4 > W1 M1 > M3 W3 > W2 M4 Yeah. > Then after honoring, you turn your back, face a new person, and do two > changes of R's and L's (M CCW, W CW), which results in: > W2 M4 > M1 W1 > W3 M3 > M2 W4 Nope. Not sure how you got to this point, but go back to the previous diagram and trace the path of, say, W3. She gives right to M4 (and do an arcing just-under-a-half-turn for grand chain in waltz time), left to M3 (same thing), falls into the arms of M2, and they waltz (about 3/8 of the way round the ring) to M2s place. M1 gives right to W4, left to W1, and waltzes W2 to his home. It looks like you've got people passing four altogether somehow; they need to pass three. -- Alan -- =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 03:18:29 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <006201c8ae99$53426a70$0401a8c0-AT-dc425ad145> From: "Keith Orchard" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: References: <000601c8ae60$1f5f6ca0$6401a8c0-AT-SMILEY> Subject: Re: [ECD] help needed with Heidenroeslein Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 11:18:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I call this regularly. When the men do their RH star 3/4, I tell them to face the centre and fall well back, and the ladies LH star 3/4 and fall back (normal distance). This means that the men are further out from the centre than the ladies, ready for the men to pass behind the ladies (M & L all facing the centre.) I hope this helps. Keith Orchard ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 05:33:42 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 08:31:34 -0400 From: Dorothy Olsson Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] Two Workshops in Historical Dance: May, and July, sponsored by Amherst Early Music Inc. To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20080505082747.029f5430-AT-pop-server.nyc.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_TIiKGZfwvVVv+1VMveqDKg)" --Boundary_(ID_TIiKGZfwvVVv+1VMveqDKg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable (Please excuse any cross-postings.) Announcing two workshops in historical dance=85 AMHERST EARLY MUSIC SPRING WEEKEND WORKSHOP Friday, May 30 to Monday, June 2, 2008 Dominican College, Orangeburg, New York Renaissance and Baroque Dance Classes Taught by Dorothy Olsson For more information on the dance classes, see=20 http://www.newyorkhistoricaldance.com/ Please see www.amherstearlymusic.org for registration and additional=20 information. AMHERST EARLY MUSIC FESTIVAL (AEMF), HISTORICAL DANCE PROGRAM Saturday, July 5 to Sunday, July 13, 2008 Connecticut College in New London, Connecticut This Year=92s Theme: =93Music of Germany=94 Dance Faculty: Dorothy Olsson, Director; Kaspar D. Mainz; Peggy Murray,=20 Dance Assistant Dance Classes: Dance is an integral part of the Amherst Early Music Festival (a two-week=20 early music festival with a vast array of musical offerings; see=20 http://www.amherstearlymusic.org/). For the 2008 workshop, classes will be= =20 offered in Baroque Dance, German Kontretanz and German Dance Music. All=20 levels of dancers are welcome. This year's program consists of one week of= =20 classes, with two public performances. Participants are also entitled to=20 attend many other events (including English country dancing, concert and=20 lectures) in the evenings that are part of the Amherst Early Music Festival. Performance Opportunities: This year our opera production will be Conradi=92s =93Ariadne=94 (1691). Our= =20 performance (fully staged, with costumes and accompaniment of live music)=20 will take place on July 11, during the first week of the AEM Festival.=20 Director: Alex Weimann; Stage Director: Drew Minter; Dance Directors:=20 Dorothy Olsson, Kaspar D. Mainz; Scriptwriter and Diction Coach: Lawrence=20 Rosenwald; Costumer: Ronnie Snader. In addition, there will be a special Baroque dance project, =93La= Bavaroise,=94=20 to be performed on July 9. More Information about AEMF: For an Application Form, and more information about the Amherst Early Music= =20 Festival, please visit our website, http://www.amherstearlymusic.org/, or send an email to:=20 info-AT-amherstearlymusic.org Amherst Early Music Marilyn Boenau, Director 47 Prentiss St Watertown, MA 02472, U.S.A. Phone: 617-744-1324 Fax: 617-744-1327 More Information about the Historical Dance Program: Please visit our web page, http://www.newyorkhistoricaldance.com/aem2008dance.htm Or, contact Dr. Dorothy Olsson: dolsson-AT-nyc.rr.com F=FCr Informationen auf Deutsch, bitte kontaktieren Sie Kaspar D. Mainz:=20 kaspar.mainz-AT-t-online.de We hope you will join us! Best, Dorothy Olsson Kaspar D. Mainz --Boundary_(ID_TIiKGZfwvVVv+1VMveqDKg) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable (Please excuse any cross-postings.)

Announcing two workshops in historical dance=85

AMHERST EARLY MUSIC SPRING WEEKEND WORKSHOP
Friday, May 30 to Monday, June 2, 2008
Dominican College, Orangeburg, New York
Renaissance and Baroque Dance Classes
Taught by Dorothy Olsson
For more information on the dance classes, see http://www.newyorkhistoricaldance.com/
Please see www.amherstearlymusic.org for registration and additional information.


AMHERST EARLY MUSIC FESTIVAL (AEMF), HISTORICAL DANCE PROGRAM
Saturday, July 5 to Sunday, July 13, 2008
Connecticut College in New London, Connecticut
This Year=92s Theme: =93Music of Germany=94
Dance Faculty: Dorothy Olsson, Director; Kaspar D. Mainz; Peggy Murray,= Dance Assistant

Dance Classes:
Dance is an integral part of the Amherst Early Music Festival (a two-week= early music festival with a vast array of musical offerings; see http://www.amherstearlymusic.org/). For the= 2008 workshop, classes will be offered in Baroque Dance, German Kontretanz= and German Dance Music. All levels of dancers are welcome. This year's= program consists of one week of classes, with two public performances.= Participants are also entitled to attend many other events (including= English country dancing, concert and lectures) in the evenings that are= part of the Amherst Early Music Festival.

Performance Opportunities:
This year our opera production will be Conradi=92s =93Ariadne=94 (1691). Our= performance (fully staged, with costumes and accompaniment of live music)= will take place on July 11, during the first week of the AEM Festival.= Director: Alex Weimann; Stage Director: Drew Minter; Dance Directors:= Dorothy Olsson, Kaspar D. Mainz; Scriptwriter and Diction Coach: Lawrence= Rosenwald; Costumer: Ronnie Snader.

In addition, there will be a special Baroque dance project, =93La= Bavaroise,=94 to be performed on July 9.

More Information about AEMF:
For an Application Form, and more information about the Amherst Early Music= Festival, please visit our website,
http://www.amherstearlymusic.org/, or= send an email to: info-AT-amherstearlymusic.org

Amherst Early Music
Marilyn Boenau, Director
47 Prentiss St
Watertown, MA 02472, U.S.A.
Phone: 617-744-1324
Fax: 617-744-1327

More Information about the Historical Dance Program:
Please visit our web page,
http://www.newyorkhistoricaldance.com/aem2008dance.htm
Or, contact Dr. Dorothy Olsson: dolsson-AT-nyc.rr.com
F=FCr Informationen auf Deutsch, bitte kontaktieren Sie Kaspar D. Mainz:= kaspar.mainz-AT-t-online.de

We hope you will join us!

Best,
Dorothy Olsson
Kaspar D. Mainz


--Boundary_(ID_TIiKGZfwvVVv+1VMveqDKg)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 06:07:44 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 05:07:24 -0800 Message-ID: From: Tom Vincent Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Country Dances of Colonial America To: ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks=21 I have had that CD for a couple of years, but have long been = surprised that a book full of so many dances is so ignored, both by the = dance communities (I rarely hear mention of any of its dances) and the = recording community. On to the MIDI software go I=21 -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Tom Vincent =22Proudly Wicked Since 1974=22 -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* I want to move on from evidence, which is a good reason for believing = something, and warn you against three bad reasons for believing anything. = They are called 'tradition', 'authority' and 'revelation'. - Richard Dawkins The rich are destroying America. Support a =24250K MAXIMUM wage and a = LIVING wage for the poor. Due to deliberate damage by Yahoo, my new e-mail address is = TomVincent=40Inbox.com - Boycott Yahoo=21 =22What are we gonna tell the sheriff, sweetheart, that a Kryptonian girl = vaporized a federal agent?=22 - Jonathan Kent > -----Original Message----- > From: winston=40slac.stanford.edu > Sent: Thu, 01 May 2008 12:26:23 -0700 (PDT) > To: ecd=40ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu > Subject: Re: =5BECD=5D Country Dances of Colonial America >=20 > Tom wrote: >=20 >> Does anyone know if there are any recordings of the dances in Millar's >> 'Country Dances of Colonial America'? >=20 >> There are so many wonderful dances in that book and I haven't seen more >> than > >a handful of them recorded. I'm about to break out the music software > and do > >them myself. >=20 >=20 > That's not a bad idea. (While you're at it, how about making legible > versions > of the tunes with chords?) >=20 > Millar himself has assembled some recordings which at least overlap with > the > repertoire in the book. >=20 > You can get the =22Yorktown Victory Ball=22 recording from CDSS or from > Colonial > Music and Dance: >=20 > = http://www.colonialmusicanddance.com/products/products.htm=23Yorktown_Victo= ry_Ball >=20 >=20 > 1. Soldier's Joy > 2. Boston Assembly > 3. The Young Widow > 4. Belles of Newport > 5. The Fair American > 6. The French Lady > 7. Baron Von Steuben > 8. The British Retreat > 9. A Trip to Virginia > 10. Maid of the Oaks > 11. Liberty > 12. Monsieur Lafayette > 13. The Spirit of France > 14. The New Rigged Ship > 15. Six Hand Reel > 16. York Fusiliers > 17. British Sorrow > 18. All Hail Virginia >=20 >=20 > Hope this helps=21 >=20 > -- Alan >=20 > -- > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D > Alan Winston --- WINSTON=40SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU > Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: > 650/926-3056 > Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA > 94025 > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 06:17:46 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 05:17:28 -0800 Message-ID: From: Tom Vincent Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re:[ECD] Computer / music software To: ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu References: <00a78e18.481870e5.10-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Points: 1: No. It isn't the computer that becomes obsolete. What changes is = what you want to do with the computer. New software or new hardware = gradually requires new capabilities, more memory, new ports, more CPU, etc. Right now I have a computer (that looks like a hifi receiver) hooked up to = Cable TV and a Wireless LAN. It records & plays TV, DVDs, MP3s, videos, = internet radio...all onto a big-screen TV. =20 Those are all capabilities I don't think I would have dreamed of 20 years = ago. But they are all simply progressive evolutionary steps that require = increases in hardware and software to accomplish. -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Tom Vincent =22Proudly Wicked Since 1974=22 -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* I want to move on from evidence, which is a good reason for believing = something, and warn you against three bad reasons for believing anything. = They are called 'tradition', 'authority' and 'revelation'. - Richard Dawkins The rich are destroying America. Support a =24250K MAXIMUM wage and a = LIVING wage for the poor. Due to deliberate damage by Yahoo, my new e-mail address is = TomVincent=40Inbox.com - Boycott Yahoo=21 =22What are we gonna tell the sheriff, sweetheart, that a Kryptonian girl = vaporized a federal agent?=22 - Jonathan Kent > -----Original Message----- > From: eb=40efdss.org > Sent: Fri, 02 May 2008 09:47:45 +0100 > To: ecd=40ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu > Subject: Re:=5BECD=5D Computer / music software >=20 > Well there are many questions buried in this request for information > 1) All computers become obsolete within a couple years of purchase. > That's life in the modern world. > 2)Storing all your data on the computer itself is not necessary, there > are lots of options for remote storage as others have mentioned. It just > takes a bit of planning. Keep the files you use constantly on your hard > drive and offload archival files. > 3) Back it all up on a remote server or removable drive. Memory is cheap > and the capacity of storage media expands regularly. There is no excuse > for not backing up important files. > 4)Buy a Mac ;-)Or if you must use a PC, stick to XP. >=20 > I have 1500+ cds in mp3 format (not to mention converted cylinders and > discs), a zillion music notation files, and a ton of digital images (the > whole of the James Madison Carpenter Collection to be exact) and I have > yet to run out of space. . . >=20 > Elaine ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 10:51:23 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <481F4908.3040302-AT-sbcglobal.net> Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 10:51:04 -0700 From: Kalia Kliban Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] help needed with Heidenroeslein References: <000601c8ae6a$b1ed3b60$6401a8c0-AT-SMILEY> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Emily L. Ferguson wrote: > Use playing cards. Tried and true method. I use pennies, nickels, dimes and quarters... Same thing, but smaller so it fits on the little pull-outs on my desk. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 11:20:28 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 14:19:54 -0400 From: HARA REISER Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] NY Times article To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would like to bring your attention to an article published on May 3, 2008 in the NY Times. It was in the business section written by a reporter who explored dances of the Colonial era. It is called "For a Dancer in the Moment, the Past and Future Converge". It is written by Harry Hurt III. Here is the link. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/03/business/03pursuits.html?scp=1&sq=% 22For+a+Dancer+in+the+Moment%2C...%22&st=nyt Hara Reiser ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 12:14:44 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 12:14:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Graham Christian Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] A loss to our community To: ECD List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <645697.61138.qm-AT-web53311.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Below is a message from Vivienne Carey here in Amherst. Many of the List's regulars knew Robert Clardy well from dance events, both American and English, in many locations South and North--Robert was a true dance gypsy. His decline was very sudden--we hardly knew he was ill before he was gone, but we understood that he was in great pain before the end, and as much as we all will miss him, we recognize that the brevity of his illness spared him a long, painful siege. Dear Dance Friends, It is with great sadness that I am sending you this news. Robert Clardy, who has been ill this spring, died last night at the Fisher House Hospice Home here in Amherst. His partner, Betty, had been at his side almost constantly throughout his illness and had even managed for him to have spent most of last week comfortably settled in his own home. A memorial event will be organized later this month, but in the meanwhile, cards and messages of sympathy and support may be sent to: Betty Jacobson 13 Harlow Drive Amherst, MA 01002 Graham "Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow." ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 17:42:17 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "allisonthompson-AT-juno.com" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 00:39:59 GMT To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] NY Times article Message-ID: <20080505.203959.26323.1-AT-webmail20.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This is charming, Hara, thank you (and hi!) Allison -- HARA REISER wrote: I would like to bring your attention to an article published on May 3, 2008 in the NY Times. It was in the business section written by a reporter who explored dances of the Colonial era. It is called "For a Dancer in the Moment, the Past and Future Converge". It is written by Harry Hurt III. Here is the link. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/03/business/03pursuits.html?scp=3D1&sq=3D= % 22For+a+Dancer+in+the+Moment%2C...%22&st=3Dnyt Hara Reiser _____________________________________________________________ Boost your online security with a personal firewall. Click here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3oCGocYrvtvdTdYkdeGv2S= FHAAdtgxjEwBma5EQGlSOmRU0j/?count=3D1234567890 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 02:17:39 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <4820221E.9020901-AT-efdss.org> Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 10:17:18 +0100 From: Elaine Bradtke Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] Re: various comments References: <00A79073.C7A265D4.10-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Regarding Cammy's success story at introducing ECD to contradancers and improving their sense of timing by subterfuge: Absolutely Brilliant!! Teaching young children to dance: Yes, of course get them hooked before they're too self-conscious about it. But when I was a child, around the age of eight or so they started to get really disgusted with the opposite sex and this state lasted until puberty ;-) Unfortunately, that's about the age the school system thought a little folk dancing should be introduced. The class spent more time dealing with the 'I gotta touch his/her hand? eeww gross!' element than actually dancing. I loved the dancing myself and was rather annoyed with my classmates. I mean, you could always wash your hands afterwards ;-) I don't know if kids are still like this, but it seems that's a good age to split the boys and girls and let them dance in two separate groups for the sake of peace! Elaine ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 02:49:35 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <4820299B.9000201-AT-efdss.org> Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 10:49:15 +0100 From: Elaine Bradtke Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] Re: Hee Haw References: <00A7913C.F2036AED.10-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Steve Epstein > > To the poster who slighted Hee-Haw: Like you I thought > that show was awful -- then -- but what talent those > people had! You realize that when some of those from > that show who are still alive are "guests" on Asleep > at the Wheel recordings. And Frank Sinatra and others > didn't do the occasional "country" song for nothing. > That was me! ;-) Now I never said I didn't like Hee Haw. . . Roy Clark is a genius! But if that's all you ever saw of square dancing by the age of 15, you might not be too keen on the idea of doing it yourself. After all, when I was 15 the idea of an adult dancing in huge pouffy crinolined mini skirts and patent leather shoes was seriously weird. Thanks to our orchestra director, we learned one could dance squares in just about anything (and considering one of the square dances was at a Hallowe'en costume party, we did dance in some odd getups!). > To the poster who complained about Levi Jackson: My > feelings entirely, as I've explained to Ridge > elsewhere. It's only highly phrased ECD disguised as > fun, like putting spinach in mashed potatoes:) I think Levi Jackson is in a category all it's own - Elaine ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 02:51:16 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <48202A02.7000800-AT-efdss.org> Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 10:50:58 +0100 From: Elaine Bradtke Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu CC: ECD-DIGEST-AT-ECD Subject: Re: English and contra survey References: <00A7913C.F2036AED.10-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 14:23:37 -0400 > From: "Ridge Kennedy" > Subject: Re: [ECD] Re: English and contra survey > Message-ID: > > Steve said: > >> To Ridge: Thanks for enlarging the beer choices. > > You're welcome. I am personally a fan of Yeungling Black and Tan. > Yeah, well what about Ginger Beer? . . ;-) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 03:36:14 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 06:35:50 -0400 From: "Ridge Kennedy" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] Survey update -- request MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear All, We have had an extraordinary response to the English or American survey, with more than 500 people completing the questionnaire. As we might expect, however, most of the responses have come from people who are very familiar with at least one form or the other; and we have received very few responses from people who know very little about either form. This group ("knows very little") represents, as I see it, the "complete newcomer" to this type of dancing =96 someone who read an announcement in a newspaper or saw a flyer and who showed up at a dance. Obviously, they are not the folks who are subscribed to our listserves and dance announcement lists. So, for what it's worth, I'm going to send a message with the link to a few people from my personal e-mail address book who are, to the best of my knowledge, complete strangers to all this stuff other than the fact that they know that I'm involved in it. I'm planning to include my sister, a friend from work and a couple of other friends. If a few of you felt comfortable doing the same =96 perhaps we could develop a small sample =96 maybe 30 or 40 people =96 that would represent the "complete newcomers" perspective. Something along the lines of the following: ********** Dear I have a favor to ask. I'm involved with a survey project designed to collect some attitudes and impressions about the kind of dance activities I'm involved in. This may seem a little odd, but I'd appreciate it if you would consider participating. I know that you're not likely to have well-formed opinions about =96 but that's sort of the point. We'd also like to know about the "vague impressions" that people have =96 folks who have never participated in these forms of dance =96 even people who have never even been involved in any kind of dancing. If you could take a couple of minutes to share your opinions/impressions, it will be sincerely appreciated and it will help us fill in a broader picture. Go to http://danceambassadors.googlepages.com/survey and click on the "Click here to go to the Survey" link. Sincerely, ************ As many people have observed, this is not a scientific, statistically valid research effort. However, based on a brief review of comments, I believe we will find it valuable in understanding attitudes and, perhaps, in improving communication. Adding some comments from people in this under-represented segment will, I believe, make the results a little bit more useful. If you can help out, please do. Sincerely, Ridge ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 08:48:08 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 07:47:45 -0800 Message-ID: From: Tom Vincent Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: [ECD] Survey update -- request To: ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just what are you planning to do with the results? Are you with a = national dance organization? Some well-funded non-profit? Applying for = an arts grant? Ask for public-access cable time? Approach newspapers or = radio/TV stations? If any of those are true, how are you going to present 'non-scientific, = statistically invalid' results in such a way as to honestly persuade = anybody to open their purse-strings? Saying something vague like 'I believe we will find it valuable in = understanding attitudes and, perhaps, in improving communication' sounds = like it is simply self-indulgence. =20 If 500 people actually have taken their time to answer your = non-scientific, statistically invalid survey, you at least owe them an explanation as to your motives = and plans. I commend any legitimate effort to improve the visibility of ECD/SCD/folk = dance in the wider community, but this seems a bit half-arsed to me. -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Tom Vincent =22Proudly Wicked Since 1974=22 -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* I want to move on from evidence, which is a good reason for believing = something, and warn you against three bad reasons for believing anything. = They are called 'tradition', 'authority' and 'revelation'. - Richard Dawkins The rich are destroying America. Support a =24250K MAXIMUM wage and a = LIVING wage for the poor. Due to deliberate damage by Yahoo, my new e-mail address is = TomVincent=40Inbox.com - Boycott Yahoo=21 =22What are we gonna tell the sheriff, sweetheart, that a Kryptonian girl = vaporized a federal agent?=22 - Jonathan Kent > -----Original Message----- > From: srk3nn3dy=40gmail.com > Sent: Tue, 6 May 2008 06:35:50 -0400 > To: ecd=40ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu > Subject: =5BECD=5D Survey update -- request >=20 > Dear All, >=20 > We have had an extraordinary response to the English or American > survey, with more than 500 people completing the questionnaire. As we > might expect, however, most of the responses have come from people who > are very familiar with at least one form or the other; and we have > received very few responses from people who know very little about > either form. >=20 > This group (=22knows very little=22) represents, as I see it, the > =22complete newcomer=22 to this type of dancing =E2=80=93 someone who = read an > announcement in a newspaper or saw a flyer and who showed up at a > dance. Obviously, they are not the folks who are subscribed to our > listserves and dance announcement lists. >=20 > So, for what it's worth, I'm going to send a message with the link to > a few people from my personal e-mail address book who are, to the best > of my knowledge, complete strangers to all this stuff other than the > fact that they know that I'm involved in it. I'm planning to include > my sister, a friend from work and a couple of other friends. >=20 > If a few of you felt comfortable doing the same =E2=80=93 perhaps we could > develop a small sample =E2=80=93 maybe 30 or 40 people =E2=80=93 that = would represent > the =22complete newcomers=22 perspective. >=20 > Something along the lines of the following: >=20 > ********** >=20 > Dear >=20 > I have a favor to ask. I'm involved with a survey project designed to > collect some attitudes and impressions about the kind of dance > activities I'm involved in. >=20 > This may seem a little odd, but I'd appreciate it if you would > consider participating. I know that you're not likely to have > well-formed opinions about =E2=80=93 but that's sort of the point. We'd = also > like to know about the =22vague impressions=22 that people have = =E2=80=93 folks > who have never participated in these forms of dance =E2=80=93 even = people who > have never even been involved in any kind of dancing. >=20 > If you could take a couple of minutes to share your > opinions/impressions, it will be sincerely appreciated and it will > help us fill in a broader picture. >=20 > Go to >=20 > http://danceambassadors.googlepages.com/survey >=20 > and click on the =22Click here to go to the Survey=22 link. >=20 > Sincerely, >=20 > ************ >=20 > As many people have observed, this is not a scientific, statistically > valid research effort. However, based on a brief review of comments, > I believe we will find it valuable in understanding attitudes and, > perhaps, in improving communication. >=20 > Adding some comments from people in this under-represented segment > will, I believe, make the results a little bit more useful. If you > can help out, please do. >=20 > Sincerely, >=20 > Ridge ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 09:22:11 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <48208594.2080703-AT-juno.com> Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 12:21:40 -0400 From: Franch Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Survey update -- request References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Vincent asked Ridge a number of questions about his survey. While these are for Ridge to answer, I think it's appropriate for me to respond as a member of the dance public to whom Ridge and Alan addressed the survey. If my memory serves--I'm too lazy to find the original request in the Digest--this is to enable those of us in the dance community, especially organizers, to understand our community/ies better. Since we're all operating from local impressions and anecdote anyway, this effort seems to me to be a good beginning for a more sophisticated understanding of attitudes and participation. Mike Franch ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 09:42:32 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 09:42:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Epstein Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Hee-Haw To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <901308.89770.qm-AT-web57703.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I learned to hate square dancing by being made to do it in third grade gym class. Steve Epstein Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 10:49:15 +0100 From: Elaine Bradtke Subject: [ECD] Re: Hee Haw Message-ID: <4820299B.9000201-AT-efdss.org> > Steve Epstein > > To the poster who slighted Hee-Haw: Like you I thought > that show was awful -- then -- but what talent those > people had! You realize that when some of those from > that show who are still alive are "guests" on Asleep > at the Wheel recordings. And Frank Sinatra and others > didn't do the occasional "country" song for nothing. > That was me! ;-) Now I never said I didn't like Hee Haw. . . Roy Clark is a genius! But if that's all you ever saw of square dancing by the age of 15, you might not be too keen on the idea of doing it yourself. After all, when I was 15 the idea of an adult dancing in huge pouffy crinolined mini skirts and patent leather shoes was seriously weird. Thanks to our orchestra director, we learned one could dance squares in just about anything (and considering one of the square dances was at a Hallowe'en costume party, we did dance in some odd getups!). > To the poster who complained about Levi Jackson: My > feelings entirely, as I've explained to Ridge > elsewhere. It's only highly phrased ECD disguised as > fun, like putting spinach in mashed potatoes:) I think Levi Jackson is in a category all it's own - Elaine ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 09:44:16 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 09:44:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Epstein Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: English and contra survey To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <659554.95480.qm-AT-web57708.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 10:50:58 +0100 From: Elaine Bradtke Subject: Re: English and contra survey Message-ID: <48202A02.7000800-AT-efdss.org> > > Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 14:23:37 -0400 > From: "Ridge Kennedy" > Subject: Re: [ECD] Re: English and contra survey > Message-ID: > > Steve said: > >> To Ridge: Thanks for enlarging the beer choices. > > You're welcome. I am personally a fan of Yeungling Black and Tan. > Yeah, well what about Ginger Beer? . . ;-) YUCK Steve Epstein ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 10:07:54 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 10:07:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Barbara Ruth Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] A loss to our community To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <9578.56689.qm-AT-web52407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> This is a loss indeed. Robert came to dancing late in life and had not been doing it for many years, but he immediately became one of those bright stars, always brimming over with joy and sharing that joy among those he danced with. I am grateful that we had his presence among us for the time we did, and saddened that I won't again see him lighting up the dance floor. Our community shines a little less brightly than it did. "It is my supposition that the Universe is not only queerer than we imagine, it is queerer than we can imagine." J.B.S. Haldane (British geneticist 1892-1964) ----- Original Message ---- From: Graham Christian To: ECD List Sent: Monday, May 5, 2008 3:14:26 PM Subject: [ECD] A loss to our community Below is a message from Vivienne Carey here in Amherst. Many of the List's regulars knew Robert Clardy well from dance events, both American and English, in many locations South and North--Robert was a true dance gypsy. His decline was very sudden--we hardly knew he was ill before he was gone, but we understood that he was in great pain before the end, and as much as we all will miss him, we recognize that the brevity of his illness spared him a long, painful siege. Dear Dance Friends, It is with great sadness that I am sending you this news. Robert Clardy, who has been ill this spring, died last night at the Fisher House Hospice Home here in Amherst. His partner, Betty, had been at his side almost constantly throughout his illness and had even managed for him to have spent most of last week comfortably settled in his own home. A memorial event will be organized later this month, but in the meanwhile, cards and messages of sympathy and support may be sent to: Betty Jacobson 13 Harlow Drive Amherst, MA 01002 Graham "Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow." ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 10:22:17 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 13:22:01 -0400 From: "Ridge Kennedy" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Survey update -- request MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <48208594.2080703-AT-juno.com> Dear Tom, Information will be shared with the people who participate -- less e-mail addresses per earlier messages. Purposes, per Mike's message (thanks) is to encourage growth and participation in participatory dance. Yeah, I have a teeny, tiny non-profit -- the J. Appleseed Society that is my mental umbrella for all this stuff but it is not well organized. This particular effort springs from the dance ambassadors project which is getting some traction and is better organized under the same mental umbrella. You can call me (not right now cause I'm on tech support duty at a convention in Atlantic City this week) at 973-830-1681 ext. 250 if you have any additional questions that I can help clarify. FYI, my thoughts re the results is to provide a wiki maybe to allow people who do take the time/effort to review the results to share observations. It has occurred to me that an organization like CDSS might be interested in some summary of useful information, but that's just a whim at this point. Seems to me that if the info is shared on Alan's list and the trad-dance-caller list, it will likely reach anyone who might be seriously interested. Hope this helps allay your concerns. Sincerely, Ridge On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 12:21 PM, Franch wrote: > Tom Vincent asked Ridge a number of questions about his survey. While > these are for Ridge to answer, I think it's appropriate for me to > respond as a member of the dance public to whom Ridge and Alan addressed > the survey. If my memory serves--I'm too lazy to find the original > request in the Digest--this is to enable those of us in the dance > community, especially organizers, to understand our community/ies > better. Since we're all operating from local impressions and anecdote > anyway, this effort seems to me to be a good beginning for a more > sophisticated understanding of attitudes and participation. > > Mike Franch > -- Ridge Kennedy [Exit 145] ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 10:28:58 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-ID: <86991683-0B8E-4855-8D7F-BE0D8E5A141E-AT-yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bob Borcherding Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Survey update -- request Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 13:28:40 -0400 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Perhaps the same way that the government, industries, and numerous political groups have done so? Seems like we are at war in Iraq, instantiated with non-scientific, statistically invalid data/results/interpretations--just a few trillion in purse strings opened there. On May 6, 2008, at 11:47 AM, Tom Vincent wrote: > If any of those are true, how are you going to present 'non- > scientific, statistically invalid' results in such a way as to > honestly persuade anybody to open their purse-strings? Bob Borcherding "Don't change horses in midstream? Precedent: Lincoln removed McClellan. We need to remove GW Bush." ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 10:45:01 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <482098D2.3000801-AT-juno.com> Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 13:43:46 -0400 From: Franch Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] A loss to our community References: <9578.56689.qm-AT-web52407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A wonderful tribute, Barbara. I think it's something that any one of us would like to have said for us, although not for a good long while. Mike Barbara Ruth wrote: > one of those bright stars, always brimming over with joy and sharing that joy among those he danced with. I am grateful that we had his presence among us for the time we did, and saddened that I won't again see him lighting up the dance floor. > > Our community shines a little less brightly than it did. > > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 10:45:54 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 10:45:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Epstein Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: NY Times article To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <505981.33342.qm-AT-web57708.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I would like to take the opportunity to vent a little bit about Colonial and other historical ECD events. I mean no insult to this poster, those involved with this particular dance group, or anyone else who loves the historical aspect of ECD. In fact, right now I am involved with the Germantown Country Dancers promotion of a Jane Austen dance. If this had just been an ordinary ECD social dance, it wouldn't have gotten media coverage. But if you dress people up in silly costumes... What is the image being projected about ECD, then? Even in a well-conceived article by a NYT writer? That ECD is an activity where you have to dress up in costumes, assume mannerly affectations, and dance to "period" music? Many potential newbies may be turned on by that but how many may be turned off? It's just like the image of MWSD; you need costumes, you have to do everything exactly right, etc. Again, don't mean to insult anyone. Just some food (or tea, or ale) for thought. Steve Epstein Lancaster, PA Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 14:19:54 -0400 From: HARA REISER Subject: [ECD] NY Times article Message-ID: I would like to bring your attention to an article published on May 3, 2008 in the NY Times. It was in the business section written by a reporter who explored dances of the Colonial era. It is called "For a Dancer in the Moment, the Past and Future Converge". It is written by Harry Hurt III. Here is the link. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/03/business/03pursuits.html?scp=1&sq=% 22For+a+Dancer+in+the+Moment%2C...%22&st=nyt Hara Reiser ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 11:28:52 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 14:28:36 -0400 From: "Jim Morgan" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: NY Times article MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_23298_7036985.1210098516837" References: <505981.33342.qm-AT-web57708.mail.re3.yahoo.com> ------=_Part_23298_7036985.1210098516837 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Actually I don't think the article even mentions ECD, so I wouldn't be worried about the effect on the reputation of ECD. jim On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Steven Epstein wrote: > I would like to take the opportunity to vent a little > bit about Colonial and other historical ECD events. I > mean no insult to this poster, those involved with > this particular dance group, or anyone else who loves > the historical aspect of ECD. In fact, right now I am > involved with the Germantown Country Dancers promotion > of a Jane Austen dance. > > If this had just been an ordinary ECD social dance, it > wouldn't have gotten media coverage. But if you dress > people up in silly costumes... > > What is the image being projected about ECD, then? > Even in a well-conceived article by a NYT writer? That > ECD is an activity where you have to dress up in > costumes, assume mannerly affectations, and dance to > "period" music? Many potential newbies may be turned > on by that but how many may be turned off? It's just > like the image of MWSD; you need costumes, you have to > do everything exactly right, etc. > > Again, don't mean to insult anyone. Just some food (or > tea, or ale) for thought. > > Steve Epstein > Lancaster, PA > > Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 14:19:54 -0400 > From: HARA REISER > Subject: [ECD] NY Times article > Message-ID: > > > I would like to bring your attention to an article > published on May > 3, 2008 in the NY Times. It was in the business > section written by a > reporter who explored > dances of the Colonial era. It is called "For a > Dancer in the > Moment, the Past and Future Converge". It is written > by Harry Hurt III. > > Here is the link. > > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/03/business/03pursuits.html?scp=1&sq=% > 22For+a+Dancer+in+the+Moment%2C...%22&st=nyt > > Hara Reiser > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > -- Jim Morgan (812) 322-7172 morganjj-AT-gmail.com ------=_Part_23298_7036985.1210098516837 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Actually I don't think the article even mentions ECD, so I wouldn't be worried about the effect on the reputation of ECD.
jim

On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Steven Epstein <sdepstein-AT-yahoo.com> wrote:
I would like to take the opportunity to vent a little
bit about Colonial and other historical ECD events. I
mean no insult to this poster, those involved with
this particular dance group, or anyone else who loves
the historical aspect of ECD. In fact, right now I am
involved with the Germantown Country Dancers promotion
of a Jane Austen dance.

If this had just been an ordinary ECD social dance, it
wouldn't have gotten media coverage. But if you dress
people up in silly costumes...

What is the image being projected about ECD, then?
Even in a well-conceived article by a NYT writer? That
ECD is an activity where you have to dress up in
costumes, assume mannerly affectations, and dance to
"period" music? Many potential newbies may be turned
on by that but how many may be turned off? It's just
like the image of MWSD; you need costumes, you have to
do everything exactly right, etc.

Again, don't mean to insult anyone. Just some food (or
tea, or ale) for thought.

Steve Epstein
Lancaster, PA

Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 14:19:54 -0400
From: HARA REISER <hubba2x-AT-verizon.net>
Subject: [ECD] NY Times article
Message-ID:
<AD9C08FB-1468-4BE5-A076-279930F4C6A4-AT-verizon.net>

I would like to bring your attention to an article
published on May
3, 2008  in the NY Times. It was in the business
section written by a
reporter who explored
 dances of the Colonial era. It is called "For a
Dancer in the
Moment, the Past and Future Converge". It is written
by Harry Hurt III.

 Here is the link.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/03/business/03pursuits.html?scp=1&sq=%
22For+a+Dancer+in+the+Moment%2C...%22&st=nyt

Hara Reiser



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morganjj-AT-gmail.com ------=_Part_23298_7036985.1210098516837-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 13:00:48 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Martha Davey" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 19:09:47 GMT To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: [ECD] Survey update -- request Message-ID: <20080506.150947.7150.2-AT-webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 If one wanted to do a more scientific statistically significant survey, = the best way to start might be to do a survey like Ridge did, perhaps wi= th a few more open ended questions, than use the info to plan a more sci= entific survey survey, = Be well! = Martha = ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 13:01:20 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu From: "Mo" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: References: <9578.56689.qm-AT-web52407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <482098D2.3000801-AT-juno.com> Subject: [ECD] Falconers recording, Mr Turner: how many times through? Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 21:00:58 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Someone has been asking on Mudcat about the Falconers LP. http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=110674 He wants to know how many times through Mr. Turner's Academy Cotillion is played. I've only danced it once from that recording (and once with the Falconers playing live), and all I can remember is that the caller said she hadn't enough music for all the changes so we might do different ones next time. Can anyone help? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1412 - Release Date: 02/05/2008 16:34 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 13:26:29 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 12:26:06 -0800 Message-ID: From: Tom Vincent Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] Re: NY Times article To: ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No, of course you didn't mean to offend anybody when you referred to = historical recreationists as being in 'silly costumes'. As someone who has spend thousands on quality, well-researched, authentic = Renaissance and Colonial garb & armor, anytime we can get camera time is = very much appreciated. A woman in a Tudor gown attracts a lot more media attention than one in = jeans and a t-shirt. Your real answer was in your very first sentence: 'Colonial and other = historical ECD events'. We here in Delaware just had our 75th Dover Days last weekend and the Lt. = Governor dressed up in Colonial attire and a group of dancers (likewise = garbed) entertained the Governor in her back yard. -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Tom Vincent =22Proudly Wicked Since 1974=22 -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* I want to move on from evidence, which is a good reason for believing = something, and warn you against three bad reasons for believing anything. = They are called 'tradition', 'authority' and 'revelation'. - Richard Dawkins The rich are destroying America. Support a =24250K MAXIMUM wage and a = LIVING wage for the poor. Due to deliberate damage by Yahoo, my new e-mail address is = TomVincent=40Inbox.com - Boycott Yahoo=21 =22What are we gonna tell the sheriff, sweetheart, that a Kryptonian girl = vaporized a federal agent?=22 - Jonathan Kent > -----Original Message----- > From: sdepstein=40yahoo.com > Sent: Tue, 6 May 2008 10:45:38 -0700 (PDT) > To: ecd=40ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu > Subject: [ECD] Re: NY Times article >=20 > I would like to take the opportunity to vent a little > bit about Colonial and other historical ECD events. I > mean no insult to this poster, those involved with > this particular dance group, or anyone else who loves > the historical aspect of ECD. In fact, right now I am > involved with the Germantown Country Dancers promotion > of a Jane Austen dance. >=20 > If this had just been an ordinary ECD social dance, it > wouldn't have gotten media coverage. But if you dress > people up in silly costumes... >=20 > What is the image being projected about ECD, then? > Even in a well-conceived article by a NYT writer? That > ECD is an activity where you have to dress up in > costumes, assume mannerly affectations, and dance to > =22period=22 music? Many potential newbies may be turned > on by that but how many may be turned off? It's just > like the image of MWSD; you need costumes, you have to > do everything exactly right, etc. >=20 > Again, don't mean to insult anyone. Just some food (or > tea, or ale) for thought. >=20 > Steve Epstein > Lancaster, PA ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 14:40:26 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 14:29:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: [ECD] Falconers recording, Mr Turner: how many times through? To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01MUGZV31HG88XTVC2-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=windows-1250 References: <9578.56689.qm-AT-web52407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <482098D2.3000801-AT-juno.com> Mo wrote: > Someone has been asking on Mudcat about the Falconers LP. > http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=110674 > He wants to know how many times through Mr. Turner's Academy Cotillion is > played. I've only danced it once from that recording (and once with the > Falconers playing live), and all I can remember is that the caller said she > hadn't enough music for all the changes so we might do different ones next > time. > Can anyone help? I can't, actually - I had no idea the Falconers had even recorded it. (I did recently get a question relayed from somebody about the figures for this dance, so I'm guessing this is more from the same person.) It's generally the case with cotillions that you don't do all the possible figures (or "changes") - that's somewhere between 10 and 15 16-bar figures, each separated by a chorus. Marshall Barron's recording of cotillions have four times through the tune; when I'm doing it live, I like to do five, because then I can have one non-baby figure in there. However, I have trouble imagining wanting to do Mr. Turner's Academy Cotillion, at least as anything but a performance/display piece. Indeed, the one time I tried to use it as a performance/display piece (in a sort of pickup-dance situation), my fiddler refused to play the tune more than three times through, which was also about all the audience could stand. It's not a wonderfully great tune, either. The changes are normal 16-bar changes to A music. The chorus is BBCCDCCD, or 48 bars, so each change+chorus is 64 bars. That's as long as one round of Fandango. You should - for period style - do this all with chasse steps; there's lot of slipping and skipping. Unlike Fandango, everybody's active all the time (except for changes involving only men or only women). Three times through exhausted a group of Scottish dancers who were used to footwork. -- Alan -- =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 15:13:09 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu From: "Mo" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: References: <9578.56689.qm-AT-web52407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <482098D2.3000801-AT-juno.com> <01MUGZV31HG88XTVC2-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> Subject: RE: [ECD] Falconers recording, Mr Turner: how many times through? Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 23:12:49 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When cotillions were danced, did they dance all the figures, or how did they decide which to do? I remember when we danced it at club it was a lot to learn, but I suppose if those were the dances you did regularly it would be only the chorus you had to memorise (like the difference between a dancer who knows that you lead, then side, then arm so doesn't need to remember all of a Playford dance) -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [mailto:owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Sent: 06 May 2008 22:29 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Falconers recording, Mr Turner: how many times through? Mo wrote: > Someone has been asking on Mudcat about the Falconers LP. > http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=110674 > He wants to know how many times through Mr. Turner's Academy Cotillion > is played. I've only danced it once from that recording (and once with > the Falconers playing live), and all I can remember is that the caller > said she hadn't enough music for all the changes so we might do > different ones next time. > Can anyone help? I can't, actually - I had no idea the Falconers had even recorded it. (I did recently get a question relayed from somebody about the figures for this dance, so I'm guessing this is more from the same person.) It's generally the case with cotillions that you don't do all the possible figures (or "changes") - that's somewhere between 10 and 15 16-bar figures, each separated by a chorus. Marshall Barron's recording of cotillions have four times through the tune; when I'm doing it live, I like to do five, because then I can have one non-baby figure in there. However, I have trouble imagining wanting to do Mr. Turner's Academy Cotillion, at least as anything but a performance/display piece. Indeed, the one time I tried to use it as a performance/display piece (in a sort of pickup-dance situation), my fiddler refused to play the tune more than three times through, which was also about all the audience could stand. It's not a wonderfully great tune, either. The changes are normal 16-bar changes to A music. The chorus is BBCCDCCD, or 48 bars, so each change+chorus is 64 bars. That's as long as one round of Fandango. You should - for period style - do this all with chasse steps; there's lot of slipping and skipping. Unlike Fandango, everybody's active all the time (except for changes involving only men or only women). Three times through exhausted a group of Scottish dancers who were used to footwork. -- Alan -- ============================================================================ === Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 ============================================================================ === No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1412 - Release Date: 02/05/2008 16:34 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1412 - Release Date: 02/05/2008 16:34 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 15:23:11 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 15:18:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: RE: [ECD] Falconers recording, Mr Turner: how many times through? To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01MUH1D1S0TQ8XZNYD-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=windows-1250 References: <9578.56689.qm-AT-web52407.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <482098D2.3000801-AT-juno.com> <01MUGZV31HG88XTVC2-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> Mo wrote: > When cotillions were danced, did they dance all the figures, or how did they > decide which to do? I'm under the impression that the #1 man would choose which five or so figures his set was going to do, and "call the changes". (I think the last time I mentioned this impression - which I got from the Morrison and Keller&Sweet books, I think - I got asked to justify this from primary sources, which I couldn't do.) > I remember when we danced it at club it was a lot to learn, but I suppose if > those were the dances you did regularly it would be only the chorus you had > to memorise (like the difference between a dancer who knows that you lead, > then side, then arm so doesn't need to remember all of a Playford dance) When doing this with beginners, it's pretty straightforward to tell them that the changes will be: Slipping circle men star women star [something; lately I've been doing a grand right and left] Slipping circle and then they only have to figure out three figures out of five. Choose a cotillion with a 16-bar chorus (I use "Marlbrouk" and "George Washington's Favorite" (simplified) a lot) and you get quite a fairly beginner-friendly dance, if it's a crowd that's there to do that. (You don't want that much teaching in a crowd that's there to do something else, but if they came expecting to learn something, this can work starting from near-zero.) The fact that every figure ends at home means they don't have to hassle progression and there's an automatic chance at recovery every 16 bars. -- Alan > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu > [mailto:owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Winston - SSRL > Central Computing > Sent: 06 May 2008 22:29 > To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu > Subject: Re: [ECD] Falconers recording, Mr Turner: how many times through? > Mo wrote: > > Someone has been asking on Mudcat about the Falconers LP. > > http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=110674 > > He wants to know how many times through Mr. Turner's Academy Cotillion > > is played. I've only danced it once from that recording (and once with > > the Falconers playing live), and all I can remember is that the caller > > said she hadn't enough music for all the changes so we might do > > different ones next time. > > Can anyone help? > I can't, actually - I had no idea the Falconers had even recorded it. (I > did recently get a question relayed from somebody about the figures for this > dance, so I'm guessing this is more from the same person.) > It's generally the case with cotillions that you don't do all the possible > figures (or "changes") - that's somewhere between 10 and 15 16-bar figures, > each separated by a chorus. Marshall Barron's recording of cotillions have > four times through the tune; when I'm doing it live, I like to do five, > because then I can have one non-baby figure in there. > However, I have trouble imagining wanting to do Mr. Turner's Academy > Cotillion, > at least as anything but a performance/display piece. Indeed, the one time > I > tried to use it as a performance/display piece (in a sort of pickup-dance > situation), my fiddler refused to play the tune more than three times > through, which was also about all the audience could stand. It's not a > wonderfully great tune, either. > The changes are normal 16-bar changes to A music. > The chorus is BBCCDCCD, or 48 bars, so each change+chorus is 64 bars. > That's as long as one round of Fandango. You should - for period style - do > this all with chasse steps; there's lot of slipping and skipping. Unlike > Fandango, everybody's active all the time (except for changes involving only > men or only women). Three times through exhausted a group of Scottish > dancers who were used to footwork. > -- Alan > -- > ============================================================================ > === > Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU > Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: > 650/926-3056 > Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA > 94025 > ============================================================================ > === > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1412 - Release Date: 02/05/2008 > 16:34 > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1412 - Release Date: 02/05/2008 > 16:34 -- =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 16:22:16 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 16:22:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Barbara Ruth Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Re: NY Times article To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <647189.28879.qm-AT-web52412.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Why do you feel the need to vent about a group of people you don't know and have no connection with, doing something they enjoy? There is nothing in the article about ECD. The event it described was not an ECD event, it is quite clearly, and repeated multiple times, a Colonial American event. The dances being done were not ECD they were Colonial. No image of ECD was projected to potential ECD newbies since any "newbies" reading it would have no reason to connect it with ECD. What comes across in the article is an event that provides an opportunity for participants and readers to learn something about the social behavior of a specific era in U.S. history. What exactly is the food for thought that you are offering? That people you don't know shouldn't do things they enjoy in costume because someone somewhere might connect it with something you do? "It is my supposition that the Universe is not only queerer than we imagine, it is queerer than we can imagine." J.B.S. Haldane (British geneticist 1892-1964) > -----Original Message----- > From: sdepstein-AT-yahoo.com > Sent: Tue, 6 May 2008 10:45:38 -0700 (PDT) > To: ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu > Subject: [ECD] Re: NY Times article > > I would like to take the opportunity to vent a little > bit about Colonial and other historical ECD events. I > mean no insult to this poster, those involved with > this particular dance group, or anyone else who loves > the historical aspect of ECD. In fact, right now I am > involved with the Germantown Country Dancers promotion > of a Jane Austen dance. > > If this had just been an ordinary ECD social dance, it > wouldn't have gotten media coverage. But if you dress > people up in silly costumes... > > What is the image being projected about ECD, then? > Even in a well-conceived article by a NYT writer? That > ECD is an activity where you have to dress up in > costumes, assume mannerly affectations, and dance to > "period" music? Many potential newbies may be turned > on by that but how many may be turned off? It's just > like the image of MWSD; you need costumes, you have to > do everything exactly right, etc. > > Again, don't mean to insult anyone. Just some food (or > tea, or ale) for thought. > > Steve Epstein > Lancaster, PA ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 20:36:45 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "allisonthompson-AT-juno.com" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 03:35:24 GMT To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] does moeny equal correctness? Message-ID: <20080506.233524.1513.0-AT-webmail01.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 "As someone who has spend thousands on quality, well-researched, authent= ic Renaissance and Colonial garb & armor, anytime we can get camera time= is very much appreciated." Without wishing to disregard the warm feelings of historical enthusiasm = that one shares so much in, I have yet to learn that the AMOUNT of money= (or time) spent on one's object of attention or affection equates to th= e intellectual or moral SUPERIORITY of same--Moreover, even those who lo= ve ECD-ing are allowed to disagree with some presentations of same in th= e popular press. Not everyone thinks that dressing up a head of state in= an historical costume--however correct or expensive same is--equates wi= th 1) a better understanding of history or 2) an improved modern life. P= ray give us room--as defined by our civil contract--to disagree on all a= spects of such an observation. A. _____________________________________________________________ Find great deals from qualified plastic surgeons. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3nEPU1bo7c6j1cpTZ2jZ46= 6WVvYSg9NSjCMyf92xtM3fLhej/?count=3D1234567890 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 01:17:54 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 09:17:35 +0100 (BST) From: Chris Brady Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] Re: NY Times article To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1469180494-1210148255=:17923" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <209539.17923.qm-AT-web53410.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --0-1469180494-1210148255=:17923 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The link got corrupted. Can you do a tinyurl.com version please? CJB. Jim Morgan wrote: Here is the link. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/03/business/03pursuits.html?scp=1&sq=% 22For+a+Dancer+in+the+Moment%2C...%22&st=nyt Hara Reiser --------------------------------- Yahoo! For Good. Give and get cool things for free, reduce waste and help our planet. Plus find hidden Yahoo! treasure --0-1469180494-1210148255=:17923 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The link got corrupted. Can you do a tinyurl.com version please? CJB.

Jim Morgan <morganjj-AT-gmail.com> wrote:
Here is the link.

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Yahoo! For Good. Give and get cool things for free, reduce waste and help our planet. Plus find hidden Yahoo! treasure --0-1469180494-1210148255=:17923-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 04:28:17 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu From: "Mo" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: Subject: [ECD] New Wine in Old Bottles. Lyrics Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 12:27:51 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In 1971 Pat Shaw wrote English dances to several Dutch songs. These were published in a book called New Wine in Old Bottles. Are the words to these songs on line anywhere? Preferably in English Translation. The ones I am looking for particularly (I'm calling the dances tonight) are - Soet Roosie Root (Sweet Rosie Red) Meiplanting (Planting the May) De Haaghse Meij (May in the Hague) . I'd be interested to know if the shape of the dances (repeats of parts of the tune) follow the songs. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.9/1418 - Release Date: 06/05/2008 17:17 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 05:35:52 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu From: "Antony Heywood" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: "ECD" Subject: [ECD] Re. New Wine in Old Bottles Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 14:35:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <20080507124230.548A367772-AT-edu-smtp-01.edutel.nl> Mo wrote: In 1971 Pat Shaw wrote English dances to several Dutch songs. These were published in a book called New Wine in Old Bottles. Are the words to these songs on line anywhere? Preferably in English Translation. The Dutch "songs" in question were in fact piano arrangements of C19 = Dutch folk tunes by Julius R=F6ntgen and like many C19 tunes (cf. Morris = dances), the words are long forgotten. However I'll refer the question to our archivist to see if he can come = up with anything. Antony Heywood (Volksdansvereniging NVS, Holland) _____ =20 I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 9326 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 06:45:58 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 05:45:38 -0800 Message-ID: From: Tom Vincent Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: [ECD] does moeny equal correctness? To: ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, I don't know what moeny is or what 'correctness' is, but the *money* = I have spent on costuming is but one measure of my devotion to the hobby: = Definitely necessary, definitely not sufficient. Unspoken for brevity was the time and energy: Feasts, parades, dances, = balls, demos, festivals, meetings (-endless- meetings), travel, phone = calls, etc. A Lt. Governor in historically accurate garb showed he was willing to join = in the festivities. It was either a nice gesture or pandering to the = massive recreationist constituency, depending on your point of view, I = suppose. If anybody thinks that anyone spends thousands on garb and that's the = extent of their involvement in historical re-enacting, they are very sadly = mistaken indeed. And how that is in any way related to morality makes me shudder. And = praying is like a rocking chair: It'll give you something to do, but it = won't get you anywhere. :) -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Tom Vincent =22Proudly Wicked Since 1974=22 -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* I want to move on from evidence, which is a good reason for believing = something, and warn you against three bad reasons for believing anything. = They are called 'tradition', 'authority' and 'revelation'. - Richard Dawkins The rich are destroying America. Support a =24250K MAXIMUM wage and a = LIVING wage for the poor. Due to deliberate damage by Yahoo, my new e-mail address is = TomVincent=40Inbox.com - Boycott Yahoo=21 =22What are we gonna tell the sheriff, sweetheart, that a Kryptonian girl = vaporized a federal agent?=22 - Jonathan Kent > -----Original Message----- > From: allisonthompson=40juno.com > Sent: Wed, 7 May 2008 03:35:24 GMT > To: ecd=40ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu > Subject: =5BECD=5D does moeny equal correctness? >=20 >=20 > =22As someone who has spend thousands on quality, well-researched, > authentic Renaissance and Colonial garb & armor, anytime we can get > camera time is very much appreciated.=22 >=20 >=20 > Without wishing to disregard the warm feelings of historical enthusiasm > that one shares so much in, I have yet to learn that the AMOUNT of money > (or time) spent on one's object of attention or affection equates to the > intellectual or moral SUPERIORITY of same--Moreover, even those who love > ECD-ing are allowed to disagree with some presentations of same in the > popular press. Not everyone thinks that dressing up a head of state in an > historical costume--however correct or expensive same is--equates with 1) > a better understanding of history or 2) an improved modern life. Pray > give us room--as defined by our civil contract--to disagree on all > aspects of such an observation. >=20 > A. > _____________________________________________________________ > Find great deals from qualified plastic surgeons. Click now=21 > = http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3nEPU1bo7c6j1cpTZ2jZ466WV= vYSg9NSjCMyf92xtM3fLhej/?count=3D1234567890 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 08:17:03 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 11:16:43 -0400 From: "Ed St.Germain" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] Re: Colonial dance/NY Times article To: ECD Message-ID: <6DE81F7C-F661-48D3-870B-27DC64D9993E-AT-earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gentle list: First, my apologies if I'm kicking a dead horse. Between recent travel and a dead hard drive, I've missed a month or more of digests, but now, I'm Baaacck (said in a scary voice.) With all due respect to friend Epstein, I don't think anyone need worry about being "turned off" by the thought of Colonial dance. Case in point: More years ago than I care to remember, a bunch of the boys were whooping it up at the Malamute Saloon ... oops, wrong thought ... a group of compatriots were chatting at a meeting of the local chapter of the Sons of the American Revolution, when one of us piped up and said "Gee, wouldn't it be great if we could learn to dance the way George Washington danced?" After a trip to Williamsburg to dance with John Fitzhugh Millar at his B&B there, and finding a caller (thank you, Nancy Toussaint) we were off to the races. Now there is a cadre of about a dozen ECD dancers running the group. They've brought ECD to literally scores of teenagers and young adults (if you don't believe me, look at the photos at www.EnglishCountryDancing.org - a website I created for the group.) Margaret Talbot (hello, Margaret) has been doing a yeoman's job (yeoperson?) at something similar in the Carolinas with great success. And in the past year or two, I hear from re-enactor friends in the East that the Germantown group has been instrumental in spreading ECD in the re-enactment community. They have a very nice ball as part of the annual celebration of Washington crossing the Delaware (or so I was told, I couldn't make it last year as my artillery unit was firing our cannon elsewhere) that organizers hope to repeat this year sometime between Christmas and New Year's. Even in smaller communities, ECD is spreading. Last year, there was a ball in Kingston, New York, as part of the commemoration of the British burning Kingston to the ground a couple of centuries ago. Again, even though this re-enactment only happens every two years, folks are looking forward to the dance. So, while the "pure" ECD folks grow old and arthritic, it's folks that "have to dress up in costumes, assume mannerly affectations, and dance to 'period' music?" as friend Epstein phrased it, who are not only keeping the tradition alive, but spreading it. Ed St.Germain Patriot1-AT-AmericanRevolution.org for Revolutionary War information on the internet, your first choice should be AmericanRevolution.org ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 08:23:53 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 08:23:27 -0700 From: Bob Archer Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <80564640.20080507082327-AT-bobarcher.org> To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Subject: [ECD] Falconers recording, Mr Turner: how many times through? References: <00A79398.71684B6B.14222-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Mo" wrote: > Someone has been asking on Mudcat about the Falconers LP. > http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=110674 > He wants to know how many times through Mr. Turner's Academy Cotillion is > played. I've only danced it once from that recording (and once with the > Falconers playing live), and all I can remember is that the caller said she > hadn't enough music for all the changes so we might do different ones next > time. > Can anyone help? The recording on the Falconers LP is 4 x 64 bars. Bob -- Bob Archer bob-AT-bobarcher.org ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 09:39:12 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <4821DC75.60402-AT-cam.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 17:44:37 +0100 From: Anthony Stone Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Re: NY Times article References: <209539.17923.qm-AT-web53410.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The link was wrapped somewhere in the mail system. If you paste the two pieces, with no break, into the browser it works. At least it did for me. The middle bit, at the join, should be ...&sq=%22For+a+... (Overhelpful mailers may well turn the first part into another incomplete link.) Anthony On 07/05/08 09:17, Chris Brady wrote: > The link got corrupted. Can you do a tinyurl.com version please? CJB. > > */Jim Morgan /* wrote: > > Here is the link. > > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/03/business/03pursuits.html?scp=1&sq=% > 22For+a+Dancer+in+the+Moment%2C...%22&st=nyt > > Hara Reiser ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 10:03:54 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 10:03:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Colestock Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Announcing the Frolic in the Fall - 9/27/08 in Harrisburg, PA - corrected copy To: Dave Colestock MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-591092820-1210179816=:69935" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <806748.69935.qm-AT-web52610.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --0-591092820-1210179816=:69935 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Friends, Dancers, Organizers, and previous Frolicers: ANNOUNCING, The Second Annual Frolic in the Fall. To be held Saturday, September 27, 2008 from 11am-11pm . Location is the YWCA Camp Reily, just outside of Harrisburg , PA , a 5-acre camp where we dance in a rustic lodge with a wood floor, surrounded by Nature in the Appalachian Mountains of PA. Music from the LATE FOR SUPPER from York and DANCEWIZ from Philadelphia , calling by TOM HINDS, from Faber, VA, and DAVE COLESTOCK, from Harrisburg, PA. The Frolic starts with an hour of Waltzing from 11-12, then Contra Dancing from Noon-11. There will be an HOUR LONG Dance Medley, at about 4:30 , followed by a Pot Luck Dinner (last name A-M, dessert or side dish; N-Z main dish, please). Cost is $25/person, limited to 100 dancers, advance registration highly encouraged. Dance at the Locust Lane Contra Dance on Friday 9/26/08 with Perry Shafran calling to All Hat, No Cattle, then stay over at a local motel, b&b, or camp with us on-site. Tent camping for Fri and Sat nights is available for additional $20 /person. Contact us at Fallfrolic-AT-yahoo. com or visit the website at www.frolicinthefall .freeservers. com Register online (available soon) or download registration form and send snail mail by 9/13/08 , please. Feel free to forward this email, and tell all of your friends - spread the word about the Frolic ! Thank you, and hope to see YOU at the Frolic. Can you DANCE for an HOUR??? Come to the FROLIC and find out!!! Thanks for your interest, Dave Colestock --0-591092820-1210179816=:69935 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi Friends, Dancers, Organizers, and previous Frolicers:
 
ANNOUNCING,
 
The Second Annual Frolic in the Fall.  To be held Saturday, September 27, 2008 from 11am-11pm .  Location is the YWCA Camp Reily, just outside of Harrisburg , PA , a 5-acre camp where we dance in a rustic lodge with a wood floor, surrounded by Nature in the Appalachian Mountains of PA.   Music from the LATE FOR SUPPER from York and DANCEWIZ from Philadelphia , calling by TOM HINDS, from Faber, VA, and DAVE COLESTOCK, from Harrisburg, PA. 
 
The Frolic starts with an hour of Waltzing from 11-12, then Contra Dancing from Noon-11.  There will be an HOUR LONG Dance Medley, at about 4:30 , followed by a Pot Luck Dinner (last name A-M, dessert or side dish; N-Z main dish, please).  Cost is $25/person, limited to 100 dancers, advance registration highly encouraged. 
 
Dance at the Locust Lane Contra Dance on Friday 9/26/08 with Perry Shafran calling to All Hat, No Cattle, then stay over at a local motel, b&b, or camp with us on-site.  Tent camping for Fri and Sat nights is available for additional $20 /person.  Contact us at Fallfrolic-AT-yahoo. com or visit the website at www.frolicinthefall .freeservers. com  Register online (available soon) or download registration form and send snail mail by 9/13/08 , please.  Feel free to forward this email, and tell all of your friends - spread the word about the Frolic
! 
Thank you, and hope to see YOU at the Frolic. 
 
 
Can you DANCE for an HOUR???  Come to the FROLIC and find out!!!
 
 
Thanks for your interest,
Dave Colestock
--0-591092820-1210179816=:69935-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 10:24:56 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <4821E5D6.3040804-AT-sbcglobal.net> Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 10:24:38 -0700 From: Jon Berger Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [ECD] Re: NY Times article References: <209539.17923.qm-AT-web53410.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4821DC75.60402-AT-cam.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anthony Stone wrote: > The link was wrapped somewhere in the mail system. If you paste the two > pieces, with no break, into the browser it works. At least it did for > me. The middle bit, at the join, should be ...&sq=%22For+a+... Here's a tinyurl for it: http://tinyurl.com/5vlcwb -- Jon Berger http://pages.sbcglobal.net/jberger ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 15:53:30 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "sol weber" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 22:51:10 GMT To: ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu CC: solweber-AT-juno.com Subject: [ECD] * Family&novice-friendly TURNING OF THE WORLD Message-ID: <20080507.185110.1767.4-AT-webmail05.vgs.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 TURNING OF THE WORLD, English dance, two versions, a simpler family/novice-friendly version, plus the = original (Identical except for the ending.) Yes, here they are, two versions, LITE and REGULAR. = A singer friend said she loved the Ruth Pelham song = and wanted to try the dance with some young school = children, but my ending was beyond their capabilities. = So below is a simpler version suitable for family and = school use (AND novice adult dancers), and ALSO the = original version, with its exciting, fun progression = (which actually isn't that difficult, just a bit novel). = The music is exactly the same, so just pick the version = that suits your needs. You can even very easily teach = both endings, and let individual 3 couple sets decide = which to do. You just say "Progress !" and it's = 'freedom-of-choice' time, as long as all 6 agree. = (Just for fun, if all 6 *do* agree, the #1 couple can = make the decision, saying "lite" or "regular" at the = beginning of their round. Whee!!!) = Need the music? Let me know, offline, at solweber-AT-juno.com , and I'll email it. (Very exciting, exhilarating tune.) = Feedback welcome, of course. If you try either version, = let me know how it goes. =2E TURNING OF THE WORLD -- English dance by Sol Weber 5/7/08 =2E (Both versions, TURNING-LITE and TURNING-REGULAR) Music by Ruth Pelham, c.1982 Used by permission 3 couple, longways, proper Vigorous, march-like 2 note intro A Meas. 1,2 (All 6, take hands in large circle) =2E INTO CENTER a double and FALL BACK = 3,4 CIRCLE LEFT, halfway 5-8 REPEAT, to home =2E (then drop hands, into LINES OF 3) B 9,10 1s & 2s RIGHT HAND STAR, once around. 11,12 2s & 3s LEFT HAND STAR, once around. =2E (All, back into 2 lines, face partner.) "PROGRESS" SIMPLER ENDING (TURNING-LITE) 13 With partner, LEAD DOWN 14 Face partner, LEAD UP 15,16 1s CAST to bottom, face partner =2E 2s & 3s, LEAD UP, face partner, fall back a step ORIGINAL ENDING (TURNING-REGULAR) (A progression much easier to perform than describe. = A fun, vigorous move, fast and energetic, that has = proved itself in at least one earlier dance.) 13,14 All, BALANCE forward and back (to partner) =2E TURN SINGLE, down =2E * PROGRESSION (Details below) 15 2s GATE 1s to middle place, while 3s TURN up = =2E (to receive 1s) = 16 3s GATE 1s to bottom, while new TOPS TURN up. = =2E All FORM CIRCLE =2E*THE DETAILS -- PROGRESSION (Teaching point -- These are = =2E "change places" gates. Emphasize that pivot = =2E points are at joined hands.) Details, as follows: 15 2s (come out of the turn single to) =2E GATE 1s down the center, halfway =2E (2s back up; both end facing out and have = =2E changed places) =2E (while) = =2E 3s start a fast cloverleaf TURN (up), halfway, to face out= 16 3s (come out of the turn to) =2E GATE 1s to the bottom =2E 3s back up into middle place) =2E (while) =2E 2s (the new tops, continuing their turning motion) = =2E do a fast TURN (up) to face in = =2E (and they join hands with new middles, and each other,= and...) =2E All 6 FORM large CIRCLE _____________________________________________________________ Click to go wireless with your computer, ultra fast speed. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3nBfhKih1sYLP1SxFT97fG= DTQ2XdMgMCAR2EnTOkJS4kUQ0T/?count=3D1234567890 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 19:06:10 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: From: "Marge Cramton" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: References: <6DE81F7C-F661-48D3-870B-27DC64D9993E-AT-earthlink.net> Subject: [ECD] Costumes, ECD interest; was: Colonial dance/NY Times article Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 22:03:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ed St. Germain said: > Even in smaller communities, ECD is spreading. Last year, there was a > ball in Kingston, New York, as part of the commemoration of the > British burning Kingston to the ground a couple of centuries ago. > Again, even though this re-enactment only happens every two years, > folks are looking forward to the dance. We're finding something similar in Michigan, where in addition to reenactors of various flavors, homeschool groups love ECD, Jane Austen, and dressing up. A group of musicians and callers from Ann Arbor has participated in five balls around the state in the last three months. 100, 150, 200 people attend, almost entirely what we would call non-dancers - people outside the "traditional dance community." One organizing group has connections among reenactor groups and homeschooler groups; they held a second annual Regency Ball a couple of weeks ago in Lansing (which has lots of contra and folk music, but has not been a hotbed of ECD); they had to turn at least 50 people away after selling the 150 tickets they had agreed the hall would accommodate. People drove hours to attend, many from towns in Michigan I've never heard of in a lifetime. Participants come to the pre-ball workshops, pay attention, work hard at learning the basics, and then come back in the evening all dressed up and ready to dance. It's serious work for the dance leader, but most of the dancers somehow get functional enough to enjoy themselves. After a few initial rounds of a dance you can suddenly see the music take hold and the floor is really doing something like dancing. These groups include lots of teenagers and adults of all ages; some fraction of these people have never moved to music of any kind before. They love it. One set of folks I talked to in Lansing had driven about 4 hours to get there from a very small town, a couple of mothers and 5 or 6 girls 11-16 or so. They told me they do English dancing in their living room every week to Broadside Band CDs, just the girls and their moms. I asked how they learned the dances. They said that one of the girls kind of figures out dances to teach based on what she's seen in the Austen movies (!). She added quickly: "It's way different from this...but we have a lot of fun." At each of these events, someone has inquired about how they could get this kind of thing going on a more regular basis in their own community. It's not quite clear to me what the answer to that is, but there is definitely interest out there. Here's a link to a photo collage the Lansing folks put together: http://s266.photobucket.com/albums/ii269/regencyexhibitionball/?action=view¤t=5a590836.pbr Marge Ann Arbor MI ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 23:48:15 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 23:47:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Epstein Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] Re: NY Times article To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <924448.98632.qm-AT-web57713.mail.re3.yahoo.com> If historical and/or Colonial dance is not ECD, then why are we discussing it on the ECD list? I will admit that the main reason I was a bit perturbed is because in Colonial/other historical English/American you cannot play saxaphone in the band. :) Okay, the sax was not invented until the 1840's so I can understand that but there also seems to be a dearth of clarinet for "historical" English/American, which I do not understand, as this was the age of Mozart, Molter, and Spohr. I am an advocate of the big tent philosophy of ECD, which holds that we can do genuinely rowdy dancing at times and play our music ceilidh-style at times. In some communities there may be separate groups for that, but there is not in Philadelphia and it's a pretty vibrant dance community here, and we do get to do this. OTOH, last week I was told (I could not attend) there were 60 people at our first Jane Austen event, many newbies. This week, just a "normal" dance, we had our usual numbers and I think none of those newbies showed for it. Thus, people do like the costume-y, period-themed stuff and I have apparently lost this flame war... Steve Epstein Lancaster, PA ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 00:29:04 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <000401c8b0dc$f4759760$d18e4a0c-AT-compaq14453453> From: "Paul Stamler" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: References: <924448.98632.qm-AT-web57713.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [ECD] Re: NY Times article Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 02:27:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Epstein" <> That doesn't necessarily follow. Somebody (CDSS?) did a study of retention rate of newbies at dances, and it was pretty low, maybe 10%. So you may simply be seeing the effect of a bunch of new people attracted by a particular well-publicized event, and most or all of them not sticking. In fact, from these data you could just as easily draw the conclusion that the new folks *didn't* like the costume-y, period-themed stuff, figured ECD was always like that, so didn't bother to come back. I suspect that rather than any kind of unanimity, you had some people not liking the dancing, some people not liking the costuming, some people liking the dancing but not interested without the costumes, some people who thought the music was weird, some people who thought dancing to live music was weird, some people who came thinking it was something else, etc. etc. etc.. In other words, the usual mixture from which it's impossible to draw generalizations. Oh yeah, one more thing. This isn't really a flame war, or if it is, it's a thoroughly tepid one. Go lurk on the rec.audio.opinion Usenet newsgroup sometime if you want to see what real flame wars look like. Before you come back, though, take a good shower and a disinfectant bath; you'll need it. Peace, Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 02:14:19 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 02:08:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: [ECD] Re: NY Times article To: Steven Epstein CC: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01MUJ2EMY24E8X5XKT-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Steve wrote: > If historical and/or Colonial dance is not ECD, then > why are we discussing it on the ECD list? (If you note the charter of the list, it covers all kinds of country dancing - we're even allowed to talk about contra. However, *of course* it's ECD, and we know that, but the people who get their ideas from reading the NYT article you complained about don't know it, because the article never mentions English Country Dance.) > I will admit that the main reason I was a bit > perturbed is because in Colonial/other historical > English/American you cannot play saxaphone in the > band. :) Okay, the sax was not invented until the > 1840's so I can understand that but there also seems > to be a dearth of clarinet for "historical" > English/American, which I do not understand, as this > was the age of Mozart, Molter, and Spohr. Indeed. James Langdell may weigh in on this, but I'll mention that the bandleader for the Bay Area English Regency Society plays clarinet at our dances very regularly. > I am an > advocate of the big tent philosophy of ECD, which > holds that we can do genuinely rowdy dancing at times > and play our music ceilidh-style at times. In some > communities there may be separate groups for that, but > there is not in Philadelphia and it's a pretty vibrant > dance community here, and we do get to do this. Excellent! > OTOH, last week I was told (I could not attend) there > were 60 people at our first Jane Austen event, many > newbies. This week, just a "normal" dance, we had our > usual numbers and I think none of those newbies showed > for it. Thus, people do like the costume-y, > period-themed stuff and I have apparently lost this > flame war... People may or may not *like* it; some of them are attracted by it, or at least moved to check it out. Having checked it out, they may or may not come back - or they may only come back annually, or whatever. You can't tell what people's reasons for dancing are - or their reasons for not dancing - by looking at them. -- Alan [who just heard from a guy he hadn't seen Regency dancing for years that the reason was that he left the state, and now has come back and wants to do it again]. -- =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 02:24:26 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 10:24:10 +0100 (BST) From: Chris Brady Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Re: NY Times article To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-20521474-1210238650=:5192" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <610099.5192.qm-AT-web53403.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --0-20521474-1210238650=:5192 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In the UK we used to have Playford Balls at C#H and elsewhere - but when dancers turn up in 20'th c. suits and/or the band plays accordions using a p.a. these are a bit weird. However there is a group run by Chris and Ellis Rogers - the [Victorian] Quadrille Club - and folk invariably dress up for the balls and great events they are too. C&E also run Regency Balls - again folk respond by dressing up appropriately. And for all C&E dances the music is authentic. However for all events I'm not sure if newbies are recruited to ECD. CJB. Steven Epstein wrote: If historical and/or Colonial dance is not ECD, then why are we discussing it on the ECD list? I will admit that the main reason I was a bit perturbed is because in Colonial/other historical English/American you cannot play saxaphone in the band. :) Okay, the sax was not invented until the 1840's so I can understand that but there also seems to be a dearth of clarinet for "historical" English/American, which I do not understand, as this was the age of Mozart, Molter, and Spohr. I am an advocate of the big tent philosophy of ECD, which holds that we can do genuinely rowdy dancing at times and play our music ceilidh-style at times. In some communities there may be separate groups for that, but there is not in Philadelphia and it's a pretty vibrant dance community here, and we do get to do this. OTOH, last week I was told (I could not attend) there were 60 people at our first Jane Austen event, many newbies. This week, just a "normal" dance, we had our usual numbers and I think none of those newbies showed for it. Thus, people do like the costume-y, period-themed stuff and I have apparently lost this flame war... Steve Epstein Lancaster, PA ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ --------------------------------- Sent from Yahoo! Mail. 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In the UK we used to have Playford Balls at C#H and elsewhere - but when dancers turn up in 20'th c. suits and/or the band plays accordions using a p.a. these are a bit weird. 
 
However there is a group run by Chris and Ellis Rogers - the [Victorian] Quadrille Club - and folk invariably dress up for the balls and great events they are too. C&E also run Regency Balls - again folk respond by dressing up appropriately.
 
And for all C&E dances the music is authentic.
 
However for all events I'm not sure if newbies are recruited to ECD.
CJB.

Steven Epstein <sdepstein-AT-yahoo.com> wrote:
If historical and/or Colonial dance is not ECD, then
why are we discussing it on the ECD list?

I will admit that the main reason I was a bit
perturbed is because in Colonial/other historical
English/American you cannot play saxaphone in the
band. :) Okay, the sax was not invented until the
1840's so I can understand that but there also seems
to be a dearth of clarinet for "historical"
English/American, which I do not understand, as this
was the age of Mozart, Molter, and Spohr. I am an
advocate of the big tent philosophy of ECD, which
holds that we can do genuinely rowdy dancing at times
and play our music ceilidh-style at times. In some
communities there may be separate groups for that, but
there is not in Philadelphia and it's a pretty vibrant
dance community here, and we do get to do this.

OTOH, last week I was told (I could not attend) there
were 60 people at our first Jane Austen event, many
newbies. This week, just a "normal" dance, we had our
usual numbers and I think none of those newbies showed
for it. Thus, people do like the costume-y,
period-themed stuff and I have apparently lost this
flame war...

Steve Epstein
Lancaster, PA


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A Smarter Email. --0-20521474-1210238650=:5192-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 02:41:04 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 10:40:47 +0100 (BST) From: Chris Brady Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [ECD] Re: NY Times article To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1306738676-1210239647=:70971" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <917920.70971.qm-AT-web53405.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --0-1306738676-1210239647=:70971 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thank you - great article. CJB. Jon Berger wrote: Anthony Stone wrote: > The link was wrapped somewhere in the mail system. If you paste the two > pieces, with no break, into the browser it works. At least it did for > me. The middle bit, at the join, should be ...&sq=%22For+a+... Here's a tinyurl for it: http://tinyurl.com/5vlcwb -- Jon Berger http://pages.sbcglobal.net/jberger --------------------------------- Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Email. --0-1306738676-1210239647=:70971 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thank you - great article. CJB.

Jon Berger <jberger-AT-SBCGLOBAL.NET> wrote:
Anthony Stone wrote:
> The link was wrapped somewhere in the mail system. If you paste the two
> pieces, with no break, into the browser it works. At least it did for
> me. The middle bit, at the join, should be ...&sq=%22For+a+...

Here's a tinyurl for it:

http://tinyurl.com/5vlcwb

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A Smarter Email. --0-1306738676-1210239647=:70971-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 03:00:38 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 11:00:13 +0100 (BST) From: Chris Brady Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Re. New Wine in Old Bottles To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1968656087-1210240813=:75040" Message-ID: <601955.75040.qm-AT-web53402.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --0-1968656087-1210240813=:75040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by nospam1.slac.stanford.edu id m48A0E7J004624 Quote ... and like many C19 tunes (cf. Morris dances), the words are long= forgotten. Unquote Not exactly true. For British tunes and ballads a good place to look is= Simpson's *The British Broadside Ballad And Its Music*. Most of Playford= (and Morris) tunes have ballads or nursery rhymes. Simpson will give you= a quite exhaustive list of sources. CJB. Antony Heywood wrote: Mo wrote: In 1971 Pat Shaw wrote English dances to several Dutch songs. These were published in a book called New Wine in Old Bottles. Are the words to these songs on line anywhere? Preferably in English Translation. The Dutch "songs" in question were in fact piano arrangements of C19 Dutc= h folk tunes by Julius R=F6ntgen and like many C19 tunes (cf. Morris dances= ), the words are long forgotten. However I'll refer the question to our archivist to see if he can come up with anything. Antony Heywood (Volksdansvereniging NVS, Holland) _____=20 I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 9326 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! =20 --------------------------------- Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Email. --0-1968656087-1210240813=:75040 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by nospam1.slac.stanford.edu id m48A0E7J004624
Quote ... and like many C19 tunes (cf. Morris dances), the words are= long forgotten. Unquote
Not exactly true. For British tu= nes and ballads a good place to look is Simpson's *The British Broadside = Ballad And Its Music*. Most of Playford (and Morris) tunes have ball= ads or nursery rhymes. Simpson will give you a quite exhaustive list= of sources.

CJB.

Antony Heywood <antony-AT-HEYWOOD.N= L> wrote:
Mo wrote:
= In 1971 Pat Shaw wrote English dances to several Dutch songs. These were<= BR>published in a book called New Wine in Old Bottles.

Are the wor= ds to these songs on line anywhere? Preferably in English
Translation.=

The Dutch "songs" in question were in fact piano arrangements of = C19 Dutch
folk tunes by Julius R=F6ntgen and like many C19 tunes (cf. = Morris dances),
the words are long forgotten.

However I'll refer the question to our archivist to se= e if he can come up
with anything.

Antony Heywood (Volksdansver= eniging NVS, Holland)


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A Smarter Email. --0-1968656087-1210240813=:75040-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 07:45:52 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <482311F2.20005-AT-efdss.org> Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 15:45:06 +0100 From: Elaine Bradtke Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] Re: Colonial dance/NY Times article References: <00A79461.9B70518C.14281-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steve, I think you've inadvertently (?) agreed with Ed and Marge and many other people on the list. ;-) Thus, people do like the costume-y, > period-themed stuff and I have apparently lost this > flame war... > > Steve Epstein > Lancaster, PA > Many people do enjoy the chance to dress up and act a little out of character (formally), especially in our modern, dress down, casual, laid back society. As a special treat, my husband and I spent a recent anniversary at a hotel which requestsits residents to dress (black tie) for dinner and has a little jazz ensemble for post-dinner dancing. I can't foxtrot to save my life, but it was an absolute gas to get all dressed up and imagine myself in an earlier more elegant age for the evening. I was watching one of the many Jane Austin films last night and regardless of historical accuracy, the dancing looked fabulous. It was visually attractive, the dancers were enjoying themselves, the costumes were beautiful, the music splendid. I'd be hard pressed to find a reason why this would not appeal to a large chunk of (especially female) society. The trick is learning how to exploit this appeal for the benefit of your local dance group. So why not hold special themed dances and publicize them as Jane Austin, or Colonial, or whatever evenings? How many groups have the occasional Hallowe'en dance? Is it any stranger to come to a dance dressed as a Jane Austin film extra than the Staten Island Fairy? There is also the argument that to dance properly in the original style you should wear the clothing of the period. Personally,I draw the line at dancing in a corset ;-) but I know the difference a pair of shoes can make, and can at least imagine how it would be to move in more restrictive/ supportive garments. Now, you want to talk about dancing in silly costumes, ahem, take pity on the morris dancers. Not only do they appear in public in weird clothing, they don't have the luxury of big budget films doing their PR. . . Elaine (not intentionally slighting the dress sense of my morris dancing friends, but face it folks, haute couture it ain't, and never was) P.S. the hotel is http://www.burghisland.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 08:39:15 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 11:38:35 -0400 From: "Ed St.Germain" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] colonial dance To: ECD Message-ID: <96C99602-2CDE-4F4E-82AE-20516DBB1D88-AT-earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "... in Colonial/other historical English/American you cannot play saxaphone in the band. :) Okay, the sax was not invented until the 1840's so I can understand that but there also seems to be a dearth of clarinet for "historical" English/American ..." Friend Epstein: You've been hanging with the wrong crowd. True, there are some "authenticity police" in re-enactor land who fuss and fume at instruments unless they appear in a probate inventory of a period dancing master. But in the main, most people don't know the difference - the tunes and dance of the period are the main things. And often, even those who know the difference tend to "adapt" - I recall when my 18th century footwear was most uncomfortable, a lady who had been re-enacting for years recommended that I do the 18th century thing and line them with dry grass. The way she said it made me wonder, and when she saw my quizzical look, she said with a wink "Dr. Scholl makes wonderful dry grass." "Thus, people do like the costume-y, period-themed stuff and I have apparently lost this flame war..." Oh, dear, I hope I haven't offended to the point that you thought I was "flaming" you. Au contraire, I specifically addressed you as "friend" to preclude any such thoughts. If any offense was taken, I apologize - none was meant. Yr. most humble and obed't servant, Ed St.Germain Patriot1-AT-AmericanRevolution.org for Revolutionary War information on the internet, your first choice should be AmericanRevolution.org ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 08:51:46 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 11:51:16 -0400 From: "Ed St.Germain" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] starting a colonial dance group To: ECD Message-ID: <13AA7B80-3710-4B14-A6CA-389015B83F23-AT-earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "At each of these events, someone has inquired about how they could get this kind of thing going on a more regular basis in their own community. It's not quite clear to me what the answer to that is" Marge: There are probably as many answers as there are people answering. One answer, which worked in California, is to interest a local SAR chapter. Since the SAR was behind the dance group, it provided built in insurance (a very large consideration) and connections to get into the local Episcopal church hall, which has a lovely wooden floor. And I can't help observing that despite their dour image, Episcopalians enjoy a good time. After all, it's said that wherever you find four Episcopalians, you'll find a fifth. At any rate, with a cadre of dancers, a hall and insurance, you need music and instructions. At this juncture, think CDSS. It's a fine store they have, lots of books and CDs. Ed St.Germain Patriot1-AT-AmericanRevolution.org for Revolutionary War information on the internet, your first choice should be AmericanRevolution.org ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 18:19:28 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 18:19:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Barbara Ruth Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] Seeking Ride to Hartford Ball To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <420601.47973.qm-AT-web52401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Anyone on the list heading to the Hartford Ball on Saturday and passing through New Haven who would be willing to give me a lift? My house is about 6 blocks from I-91, easy on-easy off. I do have a ride home. "It is my supposition that the Universe is not only queerer than we imagine, it is queerer than we can imagine." J.B.S. Haldane (British geneticist 1892-1964) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 23:51:58 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 23:50:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: [ECD] Event name conflict? To: ecd-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01MUKBPI4HYS8XU7DI-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii ECDers -- We're thinking about naming an English Country Dance weekend in October (the rebooted BACDS Fall Dance Weekend) the BACDS "Fall Fandango". If you know of another country-dance event using that name, please let me know. Thanks! -- Alan z -- =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 00:50:03 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 00:42:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: [ECD] "Love's Triumph" To: ecd-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01MUKDQIR1OK8XV92Z-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii ECDers -- If you're intimately familiar with "Love's Triumph" (as interpreted by Mr. Bentley and published in Fallibroome 1) perhaps you can answer this question for me: In B2, the first couple turn somebody by the right and and somebody else by the left hand, finishing in the middle improper facing up. I don't have the book in front of me; my interpretation/transcription has: B2: 1s turn right diagonals (same sex) by the right hand about 3/4 and those diagonals drift back to place while the 1s turn the diagonal's partners by the left hand until 1s meet in the middle. (All of that is the first half B.) This is somewhat awkward; sorting out diagonal's partners is difficult, getting improper involves being determined, but it can be made to work and it fills the music. But I have been told 1s your right-hand neighbor right-hand and turn partner left hand until improper, which is easy enough; I have googled up a web page that leaves out the neighbor turn and gives the ones four bars to turn until improper (way too much time), and found Colin Hume's quite different interpretation, which has the 1s turn more or less as I have them but explicitly says 1s gypsy 3/4 to get improper. I love love love the tune so much that I'd like to call the dance more, but am a little gun shy about being told I have it wrong (however I call it). So how do you do this? And how do you describe it to dancers? Thanks, -- Alan -- =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 01:51:11 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu From: Colin Hume Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 09:50:46 +0100 Message-ID: <20085995046.382713-AT-Colin> Subject: Re: [ECD] "Love's Triumph" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 09 May 2008 00:42:22 -0700 (PDT), Alan Winston wrote: > I love love love the tune so much that I'd like to call the dance > more, but am a little gun shy about being told I have it wrong > (however I call it). Well, if you call my version and tell them that's what it is, all they can say is that Colin Hume has it wrong! For those who want to see my version and how I arrived at it, it's at http://www.colinhume.com/instr.htm#LovesTriumph I do say there that I have absolutely no justification for the gipsy left three-quarters! Colin Hume ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 02:25:08 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 02:24:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Deb Karl Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Event name conflict? To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <620118.99959.qm-AT-web31404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Atlanta calls its fall weekend Fandango.... --- On Fri, 5/9/08, Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote: > From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing > Subject: [ECD] Event name conflict? > To: ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu > Date: Friday, May 9, 2008, 2:50 AM > ECDers -- > > We're thinking about naming an English Country Dance > weekend in October (the > rebooted BACDS Fall Dance Weekend) the BACDS "Fall > Fandango". > > If you know of another country-dance event using that name, > please let me know. > > Thanks! > > -- Alan > z > -- > =============================================================================== > Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU > Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL > Phone: 650/926-3056 > Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, > Menlo Park CA 94025 > =============================================================================== ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 08:42:13 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 08:41:54 -0700 From: "Gary Shapiro" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Event name conflict? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <620118.99959.qm-AT-web31404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 2:24 AM, Deb Karl wrote: > Atlanta calls its fall weekend Fandango.... > Looks like they call it "Fandango Weekend" and this year it's technically in the summer, September 12-14. The English Country Dance Atlanta website seems to have disappeared but there's a blurb about it at . Wish I could be there! The BACDS fall weekend sounds great too from what I've heard, whatever they end up calling it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 09:38:24 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) References: <01MUKDQIR1OK8XV92Z-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melissa Running Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] "Love's Triumph" Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 12:37:38 -0400 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Philippe Callens' version, from Antwerp Antics, has: ones turn first corner RH, second corner LH, and finish proper in the middle. My own interpretation of Philippe's interpretation (!) has the ones *meet* proper in the middle, on that lovely leading high A. It makes a nice reunion moment. ---<-AT- melissa On May 9, 2008, at 3:42 AM, Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote: > ECDers -- > > If you're intimately familiar with "Love's Triumph" (as interpreted > by Mr. > Bentley and published in Fallibroome 1) perhaps you can answer this > question for > me: > > In B2, the first couple turn somebody by the right and and somebody > else by the > left hand, finishing in the middle improper facing up. > > I don't have the book in front of me; my interpretation/ > transcription has: > > B2: 1s turn right diagonals (same sex) by the right hand about 3/4 > and those > diagonals drift back to place while the 1s turn the diagonal's > partners > by the left hand until 1s meet in the middle. > (All of that is the first half B.) > > This is somewhat awkward; sorting out diagonal's partners is > difficult, getting improper > involves being determined, but it can be made to work and it fills > the music. > > But I have been told 1s your right-hand neighbor right-hand and > turn partner > left hand until improper, which is easy enough; I have googled up a > web page > that leaves out the neighbor turn and gives the ones four bars to > turn until > improper (way too much time), and found Colin Hume's quite different > interpretation, which has the 1s turn more or less as I have them but > explicitly says 1s gypsy 3/4 to get improper. > > I love love love the tune so much that I'd like to call the dance > more, but am > a little gun shy about being told I have it wrong (however I call it). > > > So how do you do this? And how do you describe it to dancers? > > Thanks, > > -- Alan > > > > -- > ====================================================================== > ========= > Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU > Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: > 650/926-3056 > Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park > CA 94025 > ====================================================================== > ========= ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 10:45:24 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 10:45:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Epstein Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: colonial dance To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <805920.2092.qm-AT-web57713.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Oh, no, you haven't offended. And actually, I know very little if anything about reenactors. I just see you guys, and wonder, aren't they uncomfortably hot in those outfits? Steve Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 11:38:35 -0400 From: "Ed St.Germain" Subject: [ECD] colonial dance Message-ID: <96C99602-2CDE-4F4E-82AE-20516DBB1D88-AT-earthlink.net> "... in Colonial/other historical English/American you cannot play saxaphone in the band. :) Okay, the sax was not invented until the 1840's so I can understand that but there also seems to be a dearth of clarinet for "historical" English/American ..." Friend Epstein: You've been hanging with the wrong crowd. True, there are some "authenticity police" in re-enactor land who fuss and fume at instruments unless they appear in a probate inventory of a period dancing master. But in the main, most people don't know the difference - the tunes and dance of the period are the main things. And often, even those who know the difference tend to "adapt" - I recall when my 18th century footwear was most uncomfortable, a lady who had been re-enacting for years recommended that I do the 18th century thing and line them with dry grass. The way she said it made me wonder, and when she saw my quizzical look, she said with a wink "Dr. Scholl makes wonderful dry grass." "Thus, people do like the costume-y, period-themed stuff and I have apparently lost this flame war..." Oh, dear, I hope I haven't offended to the point that you thought I was "flaming" you. Au contraire, I specifically addressed you as "friend" to preclude any such thoughts. If any offense was taken, I apologize - none was meant. Yr. most humble and obed't servant, Ed St.Germain Patriot1-AT-AmericanRevolution.org for Revolutionary War information on the internet, your first choice should be AmericanRevolution.org ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 10:55:21 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 10:55:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Epstein Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Colonial dance/NY Times article To: Alan Winston MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <640268.45245.qm-AT-web57708.mail.re3.yahoo.com> The Staten Island Fairy: Is that, like, is "dat an island?" And watch what you say about morris dancers. Some of my best friends are morris dancers. Well, okay, they're not my best friends, just my best acquaintances. I was thinking the other day that those bells they wear are the precursors to modern-day law enforcement ankle bracelets. Steve Epstein Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 15:45:06 +0100 From: Elaine Bradtke Subject: [ECD] Re: Colonial dance/NY Times article Message-ID: <482311F2.20005-AT-efdss.org> Steve, I think you've inadvertently (?) agreed with Ed and Marge and many other people on the list. ;-) Thus, people do like the costume-y, > period-themed stuff and I have apparently lost this > flame war... > > Steve Epstein > Lancaster, PA > Many people do enjoy the chance to dress up and act a little out of character (formally), especially in our modern, dress down, casual, laid back society. As a special treat, my husband and I spent a recent anniversary at a hotel which requestsits residents to dress (black tie) for dinner and has a little jazz ensemble for post-dinner dancing. I can't foxtrot to save my life, but it was an absolute gas to get all dressed up and imagine myself in an earlier more elegant age for the evening. I was watching one of the many Jane Austin films last night and regardless of historical accuracy, the dancing looked fabulous. It was visually attractive, the dancers were enjoying themselves, the costumes were beautiful, the music splendid. I'd be hard pressed to find a reason why this would not appeal to a large chunk of (especially female) society. The trick is learning how to exploit this appeal for the benefit of your local dance group. So why not hold special themed dances and publicize them as Jane Austin, or Colonial, or whatever evenings? How many groups have the occasional Hallowe'en dance? Is it any stranger to come to a dance dressed as a Jane Austin film extra than the Staten Island Fairy? There is also the argument that to dance properly in the original style you should wear the clothing of the period. Personally,I draw the line at dancing in a corset ;-) but I know the difference a pair of shoes can make, and can at least imagine how it would be to move in more restrictive/ supportive garments. Now, you want to talk about dancing in silly costumes, ahem, take pity on the morris dancers. Not only do they appear in public in weird clothing, they don't have the luxury of big budget films doing their PR. . . Elaine (not intentionally slighting the dress sense of my morris dancing friends, but face it folks, haute couture it ain't, and never was) P.S. the hotel is http://www.burghisland.com/ ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 11:09:29 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) References: <640268.45245.qm-AT-web57708.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5-121077984 Message-ID: From: Maryn McKenna Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] Re: Colonial dance/NY Times article Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 13:08:31 -0500 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu --Apple-Mail-5-121077984 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed more like 14th-c lepers' bells - the ones that warn you to run away because the unclean are coming. maryn recovering MoDo (that's Morris Dancer, not Maureen Dowd) On May 9, 2008, at 12:55 PM, Steven Epstein wrote: those bells they wear are the precursors to modern-day law enforcement ankle bracelets. --Apple-Mail-5-121077984 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII more like 14th-c lepers' bells - the ones that warn you to run away because the unclean are coming.

maryn
recovering MoDo (that's Morris Dancer, not Maureen Dowd)

On May 9, 2008, at 12:55 PM, Steven Epstein wrote:

those

bells they wear are the precursors to modern-day law

enforcement ankle bracelets.


--Apple-Mail-5-121077984-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 07:18:42 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <000f01c8b37a$3837c460$6401a8c0-AT-Gary> From: "Gary Roodman" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: Subject: [ECD] Odd Calculated Figures Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 10:18:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Everyone, I am pleased to announce that Odd Calculated Figures, Volume 8 in my series of dance books, is now available. The dances in the book are Ani's Waltz Circle Anna's Arrival LW-2I Band of Friends LW-2I The Belle of Amherst 3 Cu Birthday Branle 3 Cu Fine Companions Waltz LW-2I Hideaway LW-3 Joy(ce) of the Town LW-2I Kitty at the Door LW-3 Margherita's Waltz LW-2I Ramblin' Rosie LW-2I Redwood Romp LW-2I Swift and Quickly 3 Cu Westchester Assembly 3 Cu Whiskey Before Dinner LW-2I The tunes this time are by Jonathan Jensen, Charlene Thomson, Dave Wiesler, George Davis, and Steve Maranto, as well as Anonymous and other older people. The dances are dedicated to many good people in the dance community, as well as a few of my relatives. If you would like more information about the book, you may go to my web site, http://home.earthlink.net/~gmrwebsite/, or just write to me, groodman-AT-earthlink.net, (or call me! 413-586-2888). Best regards, Gary Roodman ________________________________________ Hear sound bites from the Band of Friends CD at http://home.earthlink.net/~gmrwebsite/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 11:48:47 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Fae Fuerst" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 18:46:29 GMT To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Odd Calculated Figures Message-ID: <20080511.144629.16085.0-AT-webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 It took me awhile to find these so I'll pass on the route: in the left-= hand menu, select "The CF CDs and CD Books" and scroll down to the tune = lists for all three "Friends" CD's. As far as I can tell, the website uses Real Player, which no longer work= s for me. However, I saved the MP3 file and played it "in house" using W= indows Media Player, and voila! Whiskey Before Dinner! Thanks, Gary! I love audio clips; they're a great help to people like me= who can't reliably turn printed music into a real dance tune. Fae Fuerst _____________________________________________________________ Click to see huge collection of discounted designer watches. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3mdA3AjERoKJTizlLpixGz= qEQ0uHQpkcJx4mq4SBmC5fGAEL/?count=3D1234567890 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 12:28:45 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 12:28:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Epstein Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] "I long for a ball!" To: ECD Listserve MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <110668.95424.qm-AT-web57713.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Dance With Jane Austen, with the Germantown Country Dancers, in Philadelphia, on May 21, 2008, if you are in the area. http://dancewithjaneausten.com/ http://www.germantowncountrydancers.org/ (the main GCD website) And check it out our Facebook event! http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=13300563515 Steve Epstein Lancaster, PA ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 17:05:40 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "sol weber" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 00:04:22 GMT To: ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu CC: solweber-AT-juno.com Subject: [ECD] Clarified TURNING OF THE WORLD, LITE/REGULAR Message-ID: <20080511.200422.14861.4-AT-webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 End of the saga. Sorry for my oversight. In response to several querie= s, here's the clarified progression in the simple (Lite) version. In me= as 13 and 14, the 1s lead down, then up, between the waiting 2s and 3s, = and then the easy progression. Below is the clarified, final version. = (Suggestion: Do the simple version first, then graduate if the spirit m= oves.) TURNING OF THE WORLD, English dance, two versions, a simpler family/novice-friendly version, plus the = original (Identical except for the ending.) Yes, here they are, two versions, LITE and REGULAR. = A singer friend said she loved the Ruth Pelham song = and wanted to try the dance with some young school = children, but my ending was beyond their capabilities. = So below is a simpler version suitable for family and = school use (AND novice adult dancers), and ALSO the = original version, with its exciting, fun progression = (which actually isn't that difficult, just a bit novel). = The music is exactly the same, so just pick the version = that suits your needs. You can even very easily teach = both endings, and let individual 3 couple sets decide = which to do. You just say "Progress !" and it's = 'freedom-of-choice' time, as long as all 6 agree. = (Just for fun, if all 6 *do* agree, the #1 couple can = make the decision, saying "lite" or "regular" at the = beginning of their round. Whee!!!) = Need the music? Let me know, offline, at solweber-AT-juno.com , and I'll email it. (Very exciting, exhilarating tune.) = Feedback welcome, of course. If you try either version, = let me know how it goes. =2E TURNING OF THE WORLD -- English dance by Sol Weber 5/11/08 =2E (Both versions, TURNING-LITE and TURNING-REGULAR) Music by Ruth Pelham, c.1982 Used by permission 3 couple, longways, proper Vigorous, march-like 2 note intro A Meas. 1,2 (All 6, take hands in large circle) =2E INTO CENTER a double and FALL BACK = 3,4 CIRCLE LEFT, halfway 5-8 REPEAT, to home =2E (then drop hands, into LINES OF 3) B 9,10 1s & 2s RIGHT HAND STAR, once around. 11,12 2s & 3s LEFT HAND STAR, once around. =2E (All, back into 2 lines, face partner.) "PROGRESS" SIMPLER ENDING (TURNING-LITE) 13 1s LEAD DOWN between 2s and 3s 14 1s face partner, LEAD UP 15,16 1s CAST to bottom, face partner =2E 2s & 3s, LEAD UP, face partner, fall back a step ORIGINAL ENDING (TURNING-REGULAR) (A progression much easier to perform than describe. = A fun, vigorous move, fast and energetic, that has = proved itself in at least one earlier dance.) 13,14 All, BALANCE forward and back (to partner) =2E TURN SINGLE, down =2E * PROGRESSION (Details below) 15 2s GATE 1s to middle place, while 3s TURN up = =2E (to receive 1s) = 16 3s GATE 1s to bottom, while new TOPS TURN up. = =2E All FORM CIRCLE =2E*THE DETAILS -- PROGRESSION (Teaching point -- These are = =2E "change places" gates. Emphasize that pivot = =2E points are at joined hands.) Details, as follows: 15 2s (come out of the turn single to) =2E GATE 1s down the center, halfway =2E (2s back up; both end facing out and have = =2E changed places) =2E (while) = =2E 3s start a fast cloverleaf TURN (up), halfway, to face out= 16 3s (come out of the turn to) =2E GATE 1s to the bottom =2E 3s back up into middle place) =2E (while) =2E 2s (the new tops, continuing their turning motion) = =2E do a fast TURN (up) to face in = =2E (and they join hands with new middles, and each other,= and...) =2E All 6 FORM large CIRCLE _____________________________________________________________ Don't stay in a roach motel. Click here to find great deals on hotels. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3nLmK2RwggOOGyvQnRIaq4= pMjUNNbxdbfCOujoaJnOxDluxN/?count=3D1234567890 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 07:32:47 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <200805121432.m4CEWTRG011475-AT-nospam1.slac.stanford.edu> From: "anholt" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: Subject: RE: [ECD] "Love's Triumph" Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 09:32:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It was nice that Alan and Colin drew my attention to the instructions for this dance because I had been attracted to the lovely music for it as recorded by Douglas & Axelrod on their CD Foxfire. Our group enjoyed dancing Colin's version last night. Robert Anholt email: anholt-AT-ieee.org Minneapolis, MN 55414 -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [mailto:owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of Colin Hume Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 3:51 AM To: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: [ECD] "Love's Triumph" On Fri, 09 May 2008 00:42:22 -0700 (PDT), Alan Winston wrote: > I love love love the tune so much that I'd like to call the dance > more, but am a little gun shy about being told I have it wrong > (however I call it). Well, if you call my version and tell them that's what it is, all they can say is that Colin Hume has it wrong! For those who want to see my version and how I arrived at it, it's at http://www.colinhume.com/instr.htm#LovesTriumph I do say there that I have absolutely no justification for the gipsy left three-quarters! Colin Hume ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 19:01:40 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 22:01:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Susie Lorand Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Clarified TURNING OF THE WORLD, LITE/REGULAR Message-ID: References: <20080511.200422.14861.4-AT-webmail04.vgs.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I hope to try this sometime - thanks for posting it. Sol, you may be tired of hearing this from me, but I am going to repeat my objection to specifying the type of intro in the dance instructions. In some dance communities, two notes is not the custom and will not be effective. The band may not be able to do it well, or it may not be enough for the dancers, or both. Most modern choreographers don't specify intros. I really think local custom and the abilities & preferences of the caller & band should normally determine what kind of intro is played. - Susie On Mon, 12 May 2008, sol weber wrote: > End of the saga. Sorry for my oversight. In response to several > queries, here's the clarified progression in the simple (Lite) version. [snip] > . TURNING OF THE WORLD -- English dance by Sol Weber 5/11/08 > . (Both versions, TURNING-LITE and TURNING-REGULAR) > Music by Ruth Pelham, c.1982 Used by permission > 3 couple, longways, proper Vigorous, march-like 2 note intro [snip] ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 07:30:34 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 11:30:00 -0300 (Atlantic Daylight Time) From: John Wood Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] Damaged CD -- MP3 Replacement To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <4829A5E8.000007.05840-AT-JOHN-37DFE9F710> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Dear Folk: My Bare Necessities CD with "The Old Mill" track has been badly scratched and is unplayable. My plan was to use this dance tonight at class. Can any one help me with a MP3 replacement? [Privately} Thank you in advance. Regards, John Bedford, N.S. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 12:58:28 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 16:58:11 -0300 (Atlantic Daylight Time) From: John Wood Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] Damaged CD -- MP3 Replacement Received To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <4829F2D3.000006.05212-AT-JOHN-37DFE9F710> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT [ECD] Damaged CD -- MP3 Replacement Dear Folk: Thanks to the help of one of your colleagues I have received a copy of my damaged file. To all who may have assisted, thank you. John Bedford ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 08:48:45 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <482C5B45.9050903-AT-sbcglobal.net> Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 08:48:21 -0700 From: Jon Berger Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [ECD] Clarified TURNING OF THE WORLD, LITE/REGULAR References: <20080511.200422.14861.4-AT-webmail04.vgs.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Susie Lorand wrote: > I hope to try this sometime - thanks for posting it. > > Sol, you may be tired of hearing this from me, but I am going to repeat my > objection to specifying the type of intro in the dance instructions. In > some dance communities, two notes is not the custom and will not be > effective. The band may not be able to do it well, or it may not be > enough for the dancers, or both. > > Most modern choreographers don't specify intros. I really think local > custom and the abilities & preferences of the caller & band should > normally determine what kind of intro is played. > I think specifying it is just fine. I also (Sorry, Sol) think that ignoring the specification is just fine too. It's the same idea as a tempo indication: the composer or choreographer might want the dance done at jogging speed, but if the group is having trouble keeping up, you slow down and don't worry too much about what the composer or choreographer wanted. Or chords; sometimes the chords that are published with a tune are dumb, boring, or simply inexplicable, in which case you just play some other chords. I don't think there's any disrespect or ethical issue in ignoring stuff like that if it isn't working for you. It's a matter of personal taste and interpretation. -- Jon Berger http://pages.sbcglobal.net/jberger ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 08:48:55 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 11:48:02 -0400 From: "Ed St.Germain" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] What! No hankies? To: ECD Message-ID: <25D1242D-E9FD-4925-9445-CB4CB06E7B02-AT-earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I couldn't resist passing this info on for your information. (H1452- Nat Archives of Canada) "Estimate of Merchanize wanted for Indian presents at Detroit from 21st August 1782 to 20th August 1783" by Major At. S. DePeyster of the 8th or King's Regiment. On page 405 was the request for "50 Gro Morris Bells". On a list of goods sent to the Delawares (Leni Lenapes,) May 10, 1779, is the item "3 gro morris bells" - Louise Phelps Kellogg's "Frontier Advance on the Upper Ohio 1778-1779" (Wisconsin Historical Society, Madison, 1916) Pages 413-415 (Draper #1 h68-71) Best regards Ed St.Germain ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 09:27:14 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <000a01c8b6a8$7e822b00$0c01a8c0-AT-Station1> Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu From: "Office Manager" To: Subject: [ECD] Scotland Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 11:26:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C8B67E.94B67860" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C8B67E.94B67860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello All! My name is Viviane and I'm going to Scotland next week for vacation, and = I wondered if anyone knew of some ceilidhs or SCD or ECD events going on = during Memorial weekend? Or does anyone know who I can contact to find = out about events happening during that time? Thanks for you help! Viviane Wolfe ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C8B67E.94B67860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello All!
 
My name is Viviane and I'm going to = Scotland next=20 week for vacation, and I wondered if anyone knew of some ceilidhs or SCD = or ECD=20 events going on during Memorial weekend?  Or does anyone know who I = can=20 contact to find out about events happening during that = time?
 
Thanks for you help!
Viviane = Wolfe
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C8B67E.94B67860-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 14:40:05 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 14:39:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: (fwded) info on dancing in Scotland To: ecd-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01MUTKHCPDUU8XP25M-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-path: Received: from nospam1.slac.stanford.edu (nospam1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.81]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.3-x11 #31472) with ESMTPS id <01MUTFY07S2C8XURM4-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Thu, 15 May 2008 12:30:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by nospam1.slac.stanford.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id m4FJUB6o002291 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 12:30:12 -0700 Received: by playford.slac.stanford.edu (MX V4.2 AXP) with SITE; Thu, 15 May 2008 12:30:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nospam1.slac.stanford.edu by ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (MX V4.2 AXP) with SMTP; Thu, 15 May 2008 12:30:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by nospam1.slac.stanford.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m4FJTvb6002191 for ; Thu, 15 May 2008 12:29:58 -0700 Received: from [172.23.170.147] (helo=anti-virus03-10) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Jwj9J-0003sR-20 for owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu; Thu, 15 May 2008 20:29:57 +0100 Received: from [82.40.220.215] (helo=MEDION) by asmtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Jwj9I-0006Na-Kn for owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu; Thu, 15 May 2008 20:29:56 +0100 Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 20:29:55 +0100 From: Alasdair Graham Subject: Dancing in Scotland To: owner-ecd-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_cEexhEFxti5APf0NCmpwNQ)" Thread-Index: Aci2wg4EymIa2iOqSWWwM0kLRNULqg== X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704, Antispam-Engine: 2.6.0.325393, Antispam-Data: 2008.5.15.120455 X-PMX-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='HTML_70_90 0.1, BODY_SIZE_3000_3999 0, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS 0, __CP_URI_IN_BODY 0, __CT 0, __CTYPE_HAS_BOUNDARY 0, __CTYPE_MULTIPART 0, __CTYPE_MULTIPART_ALT 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __MIME_HTML 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __TAG_EXISTS_HTML 0, __USER_AGENT_MS_GENERIC 0' Original-recipient: rfc822;WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU --Boundary_(ID_cEexhEFxti5APf0NCmpwNQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Viviane, Pat has asked for dancing information for you. Have a look at my website for available dancing. http://www.dancediary.info/html/summer_dancing.html for Scottish Country Dancing and http://www.dancediary.info/html/may.htm for ceilidh dancing. I have some more to add in which I will do tomorrow. Alasdair Looking for a dance? Call up http://www.dancediary.info to see if something suits. Ceilidh Dance Pages Country Dance Page & Newsletter. --Boundary_(ID_cEexhEFxti5APf0NCmpwNQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Viviane,
 
Pat has asked for dancing information for you.
 
Have a look at my website for available dancing.
 
http://www.dancediary.info/html/summer_dancing.html for Scottish Country Dancing  and
 
I have some more to add in which I will do tomorrow.
 
 
Alasdair
 
Looking for a dance?
Call up http://www.dancediary.info to see if something suits.
Ceilidh Dance Pages
Country Dance Page & Newsletter.
--Boundary_(ID_cEexhEFxti5APf0NCmpwNQ)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 16:40:43 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 19:38:07 -0500 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu From: Tom & Val Medve Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] "Across the Lake" Dance Weekend June 27-29, 2008 References: <000a01c8b6a8$7e822b00$0c01a8c0-AT-Station1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-ID: Please join the Burlington Country Dancers in northern Vermont for the group's 6th annual ECD Weekend, June 27-29, 2008. The dance lists, official flyer/registration form, and lodging suggestions (with discounts offered by some hotels/motels if booked before early) are posted at www.peter.burrage.net/dance "Across the Lake" Dance Weekend English Country Dancing on the Vermont Side of Lake Champlain with HELENE CORNELIUS & BARE NECESSITIES Elley-Long Music Center 223 Ethan Allen Ave., Colchester, Vermont, U.S.A. (near Burlington) FRI. JUNE 27 ~ 8pm to 11pm Dance for experienced dancers SAT. JUNE 28 ~ 1:30pm to 4:30pm Two choices: Dance workshop (not suitable for beginners) with Helene Cornelius Review session (to practice Sat. night dances) with Orly Krasner SAT. JUNE 28 ~ 5pm Supper at nearby Italian restaurant By advance registration only SAT. JUNE 28 ~ 8pm to 11pm Gala dress-up dance party for all SUN. JUNE 29 ~ 9:30am to 12:30pm Brunch at nearby hall, with informal dancing from 11:30 to 12:30 led by Wendy Gilchrist to music by Lee & Julian Shepherd (of the Binghamton, NY- based band, Fine Companions) Registration forms must be received by June 13th, but tickets for individual sessions/events (with the exception of the Italian supper) can be purchased at the door. No one will be turned away. The hall is very spacious (with wonderful acoustics and a very nice, comfortable wooden floor). Val Medve Essex Junction, Vermont, U.S.A. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 14:35:41 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "sol weber" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 21:35:12 GMT To: ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] Intro notes -- Message-ID: <20080516.173512.22746.0-AT-webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Thanks to Susie and Joe re specifying the "Turning" intro notes. It *is= * always just a suggestion, and callers and musicians may (and often do)= use their own judgment. Whatever works. In round singing (and in gosp= el, Sacred Harp, and songs in general) the key chosen is more often than= not switched to one that suits the individual/group better. Again, it'= s just a suggestion. As is the tempo, as Joe mentioned. As a song, the= wonderful Gower Wassail is fast and lively, and that's the tempo I auto= matically adopted when writing the dance version, until wiser heads prev= ailed, thereby reducing the cardiac arrest rate. Live and learn. = Sol = _____________________________________________________________ Click for free information on obtaining a second mortgage. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3m32hRJChb7y8ysQTR1NN5= fprtLTnoEj7f0jY6qnyVLkfTIn/?count=3D1234567890 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 12:21:27 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.1.20080523121658.0200d7b8-AT-mail.oz.net> Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 12:20:55 -0700 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu From: Paul / Victoria Bestock Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] Nonesuch at Folklife MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi For those of you attending Folklife in Seattle, please come see Nonesuch perform English Country Dances at 11:30 Sunday at the International Stage. The program includes old and new favorites, with music by Julie King, Kimberly McKittrick and Marni Rachmiel. And no, there is no English participatory dance this year, so please say hello-- it might be my only chance to run into you at Folklife. Victoria Bestock ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:09:31 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu From: SFORDNYC-AT-aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 16:09:01 EDT Subject: [ECD] RE: The World -- R To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dateline: May 23 at about 3:45 p.m. edt I'm listening to The World (PRI) on my local public radio station (WNYC). Today's Geo Quiz highlights the International Sword Spectacular taking place in York, UK, this weekend. Story features US participants Clown Fish Rapper (Cape Cod, MA). Interviews with Jan Elliot and other members of the group. Fiddle music in the background. Here is a link to The World's web site: _http://www.theworld.org/_ (http://www.theworld.org/) Today's program (May 23) should be posted sometime after broadcast (May 22 is up now). Look for Geo Quiz. Can be downloaded, podcast, etc. Have a great weekend! Suzanne **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 13:11:24 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu From: SFORDNYC-AT-aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 16:10:58 EDT Subject: [ECD] RE: The World -- Clown FIsh Rapper To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dateline: May 23 at about 3:45 p.m. edt I'm listening to The World (PRI) on my local public radio station (WNYC). Today's Geo Quiz highlights the International Sword Spectacular taking place in York, UK, this weekend. Story features US participants Clown Fish Rapper (Cape Cod, MA). Interviews with Jan Elliot and other members of the group. Fiddle music in the background. Here is a link to The World's web site: http://www.theworld.org/ Today's program (May 23) should be posted sometime after broadcast (May 22 is up now). Look for Geo Quiz. Can be downloaded, podcast, etc. Have a great weekend! Suzanne **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 15:00:26 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <483C8464.4010405-AT-illinois.edu> Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 17:00:04 -0500 From: Jonathan Sivier Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ECD List Subject: [ECD] Playford Ball Saturday in Urbana, IL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Central Illinois English Country Dancers Invite You To An E N G L I S H C O U N T R Y D A N C E P L A Y F O R D B A L L The Central Illinois English Country Dancers will be holding their thirteenth annual Playford Ball on Saturday, May 31, 2008. The dance will be held at the Phillips Recreation Center, 505 W. Stoughton, Urbana, IL. There will be a warm up session from 7:00 to 8:00, followed by the Ball from 8:00 to 11:00 p.m. Fans and finery are encouraged and we will be holding a costume contest to choose a King and Queen of the Ball. There will be a $7.00 suggested donation to help cover the cost of the Ball. We ask that dancers wear soft soled shoes to help protect the dance floor and avoid using excessive amounts of perfume for the benefit of others who may experience allergic reactions. All dances will be taught and all lovers of English Country dance and music are welcome. Dances Led By: Jane Hobgood, Scott Meyer and Jonathan Sivier Music Provided By: The Flatland Consort Dance Warmup: 7:00 p.m. Playford Ball: 8:00 to 11:00 p.m. Date: Saturday, May 31, 2008 Location: Phillips Recreation Center, 505 W. Stoughton, Urbana, IL Suggested Donation: $7.00 Dances for the evening will be taken from the following list: Alice by Phillipe Callens - duple minor longways Barbarini's Tambourine - duple minor longways The Bishop - triple minor longways Burnt Snow by Tom Anderson - duple minor longways Dargason - 4 couples longways The Dressed Ship - duple minor longways The Duke of Kent's Waltz - duple minor longways Gathering Peascods - circle Grand March - longways Hunsdon House - 4 couples in a square Jack's Maggot - duple minor longways Ore Boggy - duple minor longways Shrewsbury Lasses - 3 couples longways Well Hall - duple minor longways The instructions for the dances are on the webpage (see below). However all dances will be taught so it isn't necessary to know them in advance. For further information contact Jonathan Sivier (jsivier-AT-uiuc.edu) at 217/359-8225 or Jane Hobgood (jbhob-AT-shout.net) at 217/328-1708 or check the webpage at - http://www.prairienet.org/ciecd/playford.html ----- Jonathan Sivier Beckman Institute Flight Simulation Lab jsivier AT uiuc.edu Home Page: https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/jsivier/www/ ----- Q: How many angels can dance on the head of a pin? A: It depends on what dance you call. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 16:02:40 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 16:02:20 -0700 To: ECD Mailing List From: Beth Zekley Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] David Newitt in Mendocino June 7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" MENDOCINO (California) ENGLISH COUNTRY DANCE Saturday, June 7, 2008 - David Newitt - Caller at 8:00 pm Support your community dance events this year by coming and joining in to keep them active. Get some exercise, enjoy your friends and neighbors and dance some beautiful dances. Newcomer instruction at 7:30 pm at the Caspar Community Center $10.00 Admission Very lively music by "Take A Dance" English country dance orchestra, the house band for the Mendocino English Country Dances. http://www.larkcamp.com/takeadance.html Support your local dance events by coming out and dancing! Calling & instruction by dance leader David Newitt http://www.larkcamp.com/callers/davidnewitt.html English Country Dance is fun, relatively easy, community-oriented dancing with live music. All dances are taught. No partner is required. Beginners are encouraged to participate. No special dress is required. Please bring potluck snacks and beverages to share during the break. Held at the Caspar Community Center in downtown Caspar (between Mendocino & Fort Bragg, California) Map to the Caspar Community Center http://www.casparcommons.org/CCC/WheresCaspar.htm A downloadable poster in pdf format is available here: http://www.larkcamp.com/ecdposter.pdf For further information check http://www.larkcamp.com/ecd.html or you can call or email (707) 964-4826 ecd-AT-larkcamp.com If you have any comments on how to make our dance events more enjoyable or informative please email us. Calendar of dances: Saturday, June 7, 2008 David Newitt Caller http://www.larkcamp.com/callers/davidnewitt.html Friday, July 11, 2008 Bruce Hamilton Caller Saturday, August 16, 2008 Alan Winston Caller Saturday, September 6, 2008 Elizabeth Zekley Caller Saturday, October 4, 2008 Elizabeth Zekley Caller Saturday, November 8, 2008 Kalia Kliban Caller Saturday, December 6, 2008 Elizabeth Zekley Caller ************************* English Country Dance Workshops at the Second Story Studios, 307 E. Redwood Ave. Fort Bragg 2nd and 4th Sundays 2:00pm to 4:00pm. Newcomers always welcome, No partner or experience necessary Wear clean, soft-soled shoes Dance leader; Lea Smith info at 964-7525 Dancers may come and learn the folk dances of Merry Olde England and The Colonies, danced to lively, and lovely, reels, jigs, and waltzes. All dances are taught in a relaxed and informal atmosphere. We will enjoy live music when available, and recorded music when necessary. Musicians are invited to come and play. All tunes used will come from the "Barnes Book of English Country Dances" volumes One and Two, and the "Take A Dance" ECD Tunebook. Feel free to come by and join in. ************************* WHAT IS ENGLISH COUNTRY DANCING? You may never have heard of English Country Dancing (ECD)? You're in good company, since many people are unfamiliar with it. But if you've watched the movies Pride and Prejudice, Sense and Sensibility, Emma and Becoming Jane, you have indeed seen English Country Dance. English Country Dancing is not the obscure relic you might think it to be! While this traditional form of dance has been around for several hundred years, it's still thriving today. There is English Country Dancing all over the United States. For many, it's the music - hauntingly beautiful tunes that make the heart swell. Some dance tunes are taken from old ballads and political satire; others come from classical music and operas. This gives ECD music tremendous variety; sometimes sweet and melodic, sometimes melancholy, and sometimes absolutely driven with a pulsating beat. The Mendocino English Country Dance features live music, played by "Take A Dance" English Country Dance orchestra. Others love ECD for the grace and elegance with which you glide as you dance. At times, you simply get swept away as you become one with the music. Many people love the beautiful patterns that you create as you dance and weave. Through it all, there's an indefinable quality to ECD that makes it energizing, mesmerizing, and just plain fun. If you can walk and know the difference between left and right, you already have much of the basic knowledge you'll need. Most of the movements are based simply on a walking or skipping step. Dancers move in a number of specific "figures", sometimes holding hands, sometimes by themselves. Each dance is prompted by a dance leader, so that each figure and movement is called in time to the music; you don't need to rely on your memory alone to know what to do. Partners are not necessary; you can come by yourself and be assured of dancing throughout the evening, since the tradition is to change partners for each dance. The Mendocino English Country Dance is social and friendly, and the atmosphere is informal. No special clothing is needed, other than clean, soft-soled shoes or sneakers. ************************* -- Musically Yours, Beth Zekley *** LARK CAMP *** PO Box 1176 Mendocino, California 95460 USA Lark Camp Phone (707) 964-4826 email beth-AT-larkcamp.com Lark Camp Website http://www.larkcamp.com Mickie & Elizabeth Website http://www.celticweddingmusic.net *** MENDOCINO ENGLISH COUNTRY DANCES *** http://www.larkcamp.com/mendoengdance.htm Phone (707) 964-4826 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 15:46:45 PDT Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) References: <00A7A674.6A8F97A1.10-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--108932282 Message-ID: <14BFF573-510D-4963-AD33-24457F2FC1E1-AT-f2s.com> From: Nicolas Broadbridge Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [ECD] Re: The Assembly Ball - New Lanark June 28th Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 23:46:25 +0100 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu --Apple-Mail-1--108932282 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed There are a few tickets left for our Ball in Scotland. This is our 25th annual Ball, so is a special occasion. Programme: Dover Pier Well Hall The Doldrum Apley House Fandango Alterations Leah's Waltz Haste to the Wedding (Herefordshire) Moderation Devilish Delight of Dr Dennard Heartsease/Hit and Miss The Slip Indian Queen Orleans Baffled Silver Celebration Sun Assembly Shrewsbury Lasses Knives and Forkes Wood Duck Dr Fausters Tumblers Gathering Peascods MC Nicolas Broadbridge Musicians: Aidan Broadbridge & Jonathan Cohen The festivities begin with a meeting of The Glasgow Assembly on Tuesday evening (24th June), Thursday evening is the Edinburgh Assembly meeting; on Friday evening Aidan and Jonathan offer a recital in Robert Owen's Institute, New Lanark. Saturday morning we have a workshop when we shall look in some depth at a few of the dances on the Ball programme: the afternoon is free to enjoy New Lanark (a World Heritage site), have a walk up the river Clyde,explore the surrounding area, or simply put up the feet and relax! Dinner is at 6.00pm; and the Ball starts at 7.30pm, finishing at 11.00pm. On Sunday afternoon we have a Barbecue at our home, Linnmill, and if you've never done Dutch Crossing in a Scottish farmyard, this will be your opportunity! So how about it? We'd love to see you. Application form is on the web site. Nicolas B., Lanark, Scotland. Nicolas Broadbridge www.nicolasbroadbridge.com --Apple-Mail-1--108932282 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 There are a few tickets left for our Ball in Scotland. This is our 25th = annual Ball, so is a special occasion.
Programme:
Dover = Pier
Well Hall
The Doldrum
Apley = House
Fandango
Alterations
Leah's = Waltz
Haste to the Wedding = (Herefordshire)
Moderation
Devilish Delight of Dr = Dennard
Heartsease/Hit and Miss
The = Slip
Indian Queen
Orleans Baffled
Silver = Celebration
Sun Assembly
Shrewsbury = Lasses
Knives and Forkes
Wood Duck
Dr = Fausters Tumblers
Gathering = Peascods

MC Nicolas = Broadbridge
Musicians: Aidan Broadbridge & Jonathan = Cohen

The festivities begin with a meeting of = The Glasgow Assembly on Tuesday evening (24th June), Thursday evening is = the Edinburgh Assembly meeting; on Friday evening Aidan and Jonathan = offer a recital in Robert Owen's Institute, New = Lanark.

Saturday morning we have a workshop = when we shall look in some depth at a few of the dances on the Ball = programme: the afternoon is free to enjoy New Lanark (a World Heritage = site), have a walk up the river Clyde,explore the surrounding area, or = simply put up the feet and relax! Dinner is at 6.00pm; and the Ball = starts at 7.30pm, finishing at 11.00pm.

On = Sunday afternoon we have a Barbecue at our home, Linnmill, and if you've = never done Dutch Crossing in a Scottish farmyard, this will be your = opportunity!
So how about it? We'd love to see you. = Application form is on the web site.
Nicolas B., Lanark, = Scotland.
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Nicolas = Broadbridge
www.nicolasbroadbridge.com


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