In a message dated 3/4/2004 2:31:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, pstamler-AT-= pobox.com writes:

On the other hand, I got one that *did* have a= n attachment, presumably the
virus. So you're not entirely safe -- and pr= esumably the person with the
virus is someone who has me in their address= book, as well as the ECD list.

Peace,
Paul

I'm glad to know that if the above is correct, the infected message did= not originate from my computer. But, since my address was implicated=20= in the viral message, can someone explain why or how *my* address was select= ed as the originator?

--
Deborah Forest Hart
Musician, Artist, Quilter
Hartmus= ik, Nutmeg Consort, Home Brood, Evergreen
http://hometown.aol.com/dfhart24/myhomepage/p= rofile.html

"Nothing is ever so bad that it could not be wo= rse. . . "

-------------------------------1078403560-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 04:41:15 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 04:38:00 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: A Virus, I Presume To: Dfhart24-AT-aol.com CC: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01L7BETVA4YO91X837-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii > In a message dated 3/4/2004 2:31:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, > pstamler-AT-pobox.com writes: > On the other hand, I got one that *did* have an attachment, presumably the > virus. So you're not entirely safe -- and presumably the person with the > virus is someone who has me in their address book, as well as the ECD list. > Peace, > Paul > I'm glad to know that if the above is correct, the infected message did not > originate from my computer. But, since my address was implicated in the viral > message, can someone explain why or how *my* address was selected as the > originator? These pesky viruses (more properly, email worms) flip through the address books and forge emails _from_ people in the address books as well as _to_ them. The idea is that the victims will be likelier to open mail messages if they come from a familiar or at least plausible name. (Trying hard not to insert a rant about how freakin' easy Microsoft's OS support of its applications makes it to write these viruses - there are system calls to read the address books.) But I think this may be far enough off-topic that we ought to stop here. -- Alan =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 05:34:04 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <20040304133351.54819.qmail-AT-web12202.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 05:33:51 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Vincent Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: A Virus, I Presume To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Folks, you're welcome to post files to the ECD yahoogroups website I set up (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EnglishCountryDance/) and posting an announcement here. There's plenty of room for files and photos. I'm pretty sure it automatically scans files for viruses and it would save bandwidth by uploading the file once and posting a brief announcement rather than attaching it to everyone's email and risking infection.=20 Tom --- Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote: > This is one of the reasons I > strongly discourage sending > attachments to the list; I don't want people to get > in the habit of opening > them. =20 >=20 > -- Alan > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Tom Vincent They always say time changes things, but you actually have to change them= yourself. -- Andy Warhol __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you=92re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 06:12:11 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040304090826.00a5da90-AT-mail.panix.com> Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 09:09:22 -0500 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu From: Will Linden Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: A Virus, I Presume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_2535109==_.ALT" --=====================_2535109==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:32 AM 3/4/04 -0500, you wrote: >In a message dated 3/4/2004 2:31:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, >pstamler-AT-pobox.com writes: >On the other hand, I got one that *did* have an attachment, presumably the >virus. So you're not entirely safe -- and presumably the person with the >virus is someone who has me in their address book, as well as the ECD list. > >Peace, >Paul > >I'm glad to know that if the above is correct, the infected message did >not originate from my computer. But, since my address was implicated in >the viral message, can someone explain why or how *my* address was >selected as the originator? At random from an address book on an infected computer. --=====================_2535109==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 07:32 AM 3/4/04 -0500, you wrote:

In a message dated 3/4/2004 2:31:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, pstamler-AT-pobox.com writes:

On the other hand, I got one that *did* have an attachment, presumably the
virus. So you're not entirely safe -- and presumably the person with the
virus is someone who has me in their address book, as well as the ECD list.

Peace,
Paul

I'm glad to know that if the above is correct, the infected message did not originate from my computer. But, since my address was implicated in the viral message, can someone explain why or how *my* address was selected as the originator?

At random from an address book on an infected computer. --=====================_2535109==_.ALT-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 09:56:24 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <000401c40211$e1ce26a0$a98f4a0c-AT-paulstam> Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu From: "Paul Stamler" To: References: <01L7AO60LP7K926GUF-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> <01L7B4YEQQ3Q91X837-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> Subject: Re: A Virus, I Presume Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 11:55:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Paul -- > < VIRUS] subject line, you're safe in ignoring it, and should just delete it > without opening. But you're not at risk if you do open it.>> > On the other hand, I got one that *did* have an attachment, presumably the > virus. <> Right -- IF that's where it came from. I've seen a few like that. But I don't think it really came from SLAC; from the looks of the headers, I think it came from some other listmember, and the virus was spoofing SLAC's return address. In which case, it would still have been loaded. So, folks, if you're on this list and also have my address in your address book, it might be a prudent step to do a virus scan. Peace, Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 09:57:00 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 17:54:50 GMT To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: hypothetical question Content-Type: text/plain From: allisonthompson-AT-juno.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <20040304.095518.24069.616529-AT-webmail15.nyc.untd.com> Thanks for all the, er, *pointed* responses to the dance/needlework question! If I come up with anything nifty, I'll post. Suppose you were asked to contribute to a book on international folk dancing a selection of dances--4 to 7--that best represented the English people (don't worry, no one's asked me to do this, nor are they likely to! I'm just curious) What would you recommend as the most characteristic, the most representative? I have a number of constraints and issues in mind, but wanted to start with the most general question first. Allison Thompson ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 10:21:08 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <005101c40215$55c418a0$a98f4a0c-AT-paulstam> Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu From: "Paul Stamler" To: References: <20040304.095518.24069.616529-AT-webmail15.nyc.untd.com> Subject: Re: hypothetical question Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 12:20:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: <> Hmm...that'll require a lot of thought. While I'm thinking, though, here are a couple of pre-thoughts and generalizations: 1) I'd select several formations -- a longways duple, a longways triple, a three-couple, a circle for as many as will, a circle for a specified number. 2) I'd select several time signatures -- 4/4, 3/4, 3/2, 6/8. 3) Along with that I'd select several tempi, from slow and dreamy to rip-roaring ceilidh rave-up. All of which points to one of the things I like best about ECD: the remarkable variety. To me, that, rather than a particular stylistic trait, is the most representative attribute of English dancing. It's interesting, to me, that this tremendous variety is also true of England's traditional music. Not, I think, a coincidence. Britain has packed a lot of diversity into that crowded little island. Peace, Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 13:27:04 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 12:53:02 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: hypothetical question To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01L7BX6PEQ6U92QAOD-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Allison wrote: > Suppose you were asked to contribute to a book on international folk dancing >a selection of dances--4 to 7--that best represented the English people (don't >worry, no one's asked me to do this, nor are they likely to! I'm just curious) >What would you recommend as the most characteristic, the most representative? > I have a number of constraints and issues in mind, but wanted to start with > the most general question first. Best represents the English people as they are today? Best represents recent and/or historical trends? Collectively gives an overview of the English dance scene? In one sense, asking this on the ECD list makes it a trick question. Is ECD in any sense representative of the English people? Isn't ballroom considerably more popular than revival ECD ever has been? (And isn't the International Ballroom style at least as big a representative English, or at least Imperial, contribution to world culture as ECD is?) The fairest answer I can give is something like: 1) An early Playford dance; say "Black Nag" 2) A trad dance; say "Nottingham Swing" (covers ceilidh too) 3) An "Old-Time" couple dance; say "Eva Three-Step" 4) A clog routine (the Fletts argue that step-dancing was the real dance of the rural people) 5) A circa-1800 waltz country dance (Northdown waltz, say) 6) A longsword dance (Sleights) 7) A rapper dance (or a bunch of rapper figures and a suggested order) 8) A molly dance [maybe, because these are modern constructions, but the form is historical] 9) A NW Morris dance (or a bunch of figures and a suggested order) 10) A Border Morris dance [maybe, for similar reasons to Molly] 11) A bells-and-hankies morris dance (Lads a Bunchem, Sherbourne, say) -- Alan -- =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 15:52:34 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 17:51:47 -0600 From: "Thomas J Senior" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: Subject: a modest dance submission MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Friends, I have put together a dance that seems to work pretty well. Here is the story: While on vacation in Madera, I had a dream about some dance moves. In the morning, I wrote down what I remembered and it came out as the first part of "Madera Dream." Since my band has asked if we could use the tune Goddesses, I chose that tune for this short, 16 bar dance. A bit like Northern Nancy, (but 2 bars longer!). Last night, my Wednesday dance in Evanston was overwhelmed with new folks, and underwhelmed by my regular experienced dancers. I thought I would try Madera Dream on them to see how they adapted. It did work well. Anyway, here is the dance: Madera Dream to the tune Goddesses duple improper (though it works gender-free) Al. 1-4 Circle Left 5-8 Asymetric Gate: Release hands with your partner and hold onto your neighbor. The neighbor on the left moves forward while the neighbor on the right backs away, and they rotate around each other one full turn. B1. 1-4 Half Pousette: The person moving forward from the gate (left hand person, usually the woman) starts by pushing her partner away from the set, then pulling back into the set into progressed place. 5-8 Set to partner, and turn single. The tune has a wonderful drive, and the short list of movements is easily remembered by those not used to learning dance sequences (like my beginners last night!). Hope you enjoy the dance, Tom Senior Thomas J. Senior New Trier High School 385 Winnetka Ave Winnetka, IL 60093-4295 847-784-6739 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 17:28:56 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 20:29:24 -0500 Subject: Re: a modest dance submission From: Alisa Dodson Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: "ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom's modest submission is rather too modest--he also called this during an ECD session at the Ann Arbor Dawn Dance and it went well there too (somewhat more experienced crowd, but still a mix of levels). I quite enjoyed dancing it, and appreciated the use of an old Playford tune. Cheers Allen Dodson ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 21:46:43 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20040304213127.00a5a380-AT-mail.oz.net> Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 21:49:10 -0800 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu From: Paul / Victoria Bestock Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: dancing well MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >Andy wrote, >There are many people I meet on the dance floor with a _lot_ of dance >experience who have never learned that you can support each other >perfectly well by holding fingertips, without having to put your >thumb on the other side of the person's hand and squeezing until it >hurts. My somewhat arthritic hands really don't tolerate that >treatment for very long. I teach thumbless grip as part of every beginner workshop, because its protection for me. When someone holds on using the thumb, it prevents my moving away from them if I want to, and this wrenches shoulders and back joints. I generally want to move on before they are ready to let go and I definitely want to be able to slide my hand out if they start slipping in the opposite direction from me. One man in our community holds on correctly, and then just as I let go to do the next figure, gives a friendly little squeeze good-by, which prevents me from leaving in time for the next figure. Sigh. >How do you teach remedial use of their body to people who have been >dancing for years? Its challenging, isn't it? Because most ECD dancers aren't even aware that there is more than the geometry of the dance involved in dancing, and think they are too advanced to attend workshops because they can do complicated formations. Every now and then there is an "aha" moment though. I taught setting step one night when there were lots of beginners present, and someone who had been doing it wrong for two years thanked me for explaining the difference between what she did and what was correct. (She had the hiccup in the wrong place-- step leap step, instead of leap step step). I showed my corner in a square (so I was going to to left hand turns with him many times) how to hold on so he didn't hurt me, and he really tried, even though he had been dancing with lots of tension and the thumb-grip for many many years. A year later he was using the relaxed thumbless grip full time with all his partners. But these are exceptions, and for the most part, Andy's right-- a lot of "advanced" dancers are never going to get very good, because dancing smoothly, to music, with others, isn't on their radar. Making patterns is. Victoria in Seattle ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 06:08:46 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 14:07:18 GMT To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: hypothetical question Content-Type: text/plain From: allisonthompson-AT-juno.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <20040305.060803.484.566844-AT-webmail18.nyc.untd.com> Well, Alan, you're quite right--it was a trick question. Or at least a challenging one. I do think the inclusion of an old tyme ballroom dance is justified, as these were (and might still be) very popular with many in England. I might also include the Sir Roger de Coverley, in its original 9/8 meter, and perhaps the Lancers Quadrille--even though quadrilles in general had a French origin (based on ECDs), the Lancers was peculiarly popular in England for over 100 years. I like the inclusion of the clog & morrises, but think that, for this mythical book, I wouldn't include your picks because they either 1) involved too much expensive equipment (clogs, swords, bells) or a specific number of people, or a degree of physical strength & commitment. Thus I think I might include Bacca Pipes jig--not done a whole lot today, but was very pop. in the beginning of the revival--or Shepherds Hey--both of these can be done even without bells & don't require a team. One of my hidden constraints was that this book was for the average social folk dancer, and possibly for children (not really a classroom book, though). The other hidden constraint is that the mythical editor has not said whether a companion CD will be created--and my belief is that most international folk dance groups are still record-dependent. Thus many of these choices might have to be dropped in favor of what records currently exist. How about the US section? Most international folk dance books just include a couple of squares & contras & the Virginia Reel. I'd like to see a simple hula, perhaps a singing square....what else? The LIndy? JItterbug? The Mashed Potato? The Chicken Dance? Hypothetically yrs Allison -- Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote: Allison wrote: > Suppose you were asked to contribute to a book on international folk dancing >a selection of dances--4 to 7--that best represented the English people (don't >worry, no one's asked me to do this, nor are they likely to! I'm just curious) >What would you recommend as the most characteristic, the most representative? > I have a number of constraints and issues in mind, but wanted to start with > the most general question first. Best represents the English people as they are today? Best represents recent and/or historical trends? Collectively gives an overview of the English dance scene? In one sense, asking this on the ECD list makes it a trick question. Is ECD in any sense representative of the English people? Isn't ballroom considerably more popular than revival ECD ever has been? (And isn't the International Ballroom style at least as big a representative English, or at least Imperial, contribution to world culture as ECD is?) The fairest answer I can give is something like: 1) An early Playford dance; say "Black Nag" 2) A trad dance; say "Nottingham Swing" (covers ceilidh too) 3) An "Old-Time" couple dance; say "Eva Three-Step" 4) A clog routine (the Fletts argue that step-dancing was the real dance of the rural people) 5) A circa-1800 waltz country dance (Northdown waltz, say) 6) A longsword dance (Sleights) 7) A rapper dance (or a bunch of rapper figures and a suggested order) 8) A molly dance [maybe, because these are modern constructions, but the form is historical] 9) A NW Morris dance (or a bunch of figures and a suggested order) 10) A Border Morris dance [maybe, for similar reasons to Molly] 11) A bells-and-hankies morris dance (Lads a Bunchem, Sherbourne, say) -- Alan -- =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 07:29:00 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <40489C2E.9266D1A-AT-wi.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 10:26:38 -0500 From: "Deb Karl" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: hypothetical question References: <20040305.060803.484.566844-AT-webmail18.nyc.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Allison's last post led me to dig into the box of long-lost dance resource material from my prior dance life ('70s), which resurfaced when my mom moved last year. Miriam Lidster (Stanford University) & Dorothy Tamburini (Folk Dance Fed of Calif) wrote a book entitled "Folk Dance Progressions", pub.1965. They organized dances by type: walking dances; grapevine patterns; schottische & related patters; two-step and polka; three-beat patterns, waltz, mazurka, and hambo; and patterns and exhibitions. Instructions on over 130 dances are included, together with descriptions of dance from four cultural areas (Balkan, Israeli, Scandinavian, Philippine), discussion of rhythm and musics, and descriptions of fundamental terms and step patterns used in folk dance. To get this post back on topic, here's the English dances included: Three Meet (Trios) Black Nag (3 cpls LW) Oslo Waltz (couples-waltz mixer) Picking Up Sticks (3 cpls, LW) Dargason (5 cpls, line) I can attest that Mrs. L. was not big into English dance! --Deb allisonthompson-AT-juno.com wrote: > > Well, Alan, you're quite right--it was a trick question. Or at least a challenging one. I do think the inclusion of an old tyme ballroom dance is justified, as these were (and might still be) very popular with many in England. I might also include the Sir Roger de Coverley, in its original 9/8 meter, and perhaps the Lancers Quadrille--even though quadrilles in general had a French origin (based on ECDs), the Lancers was peculiarly popular in England for over 100 years. > > I like the inclusion of the clog & morrises, but think that, for this mythical book, I wouldn't include your picks because they either 1) involved too much expensive equipment (clogs, swords, bells) or a specific number of people, or a degree of physical strength & commitment. > > Thus I think I might include Bacca Pipes jig--not done a whole lot today, but was very pop. in the beginning of the revival--or Shepherds Hey--both of these can be done even without bells & don't require a team. > > One of my hidden constraints was that this book was for the average social folk dancer, and possibly for children (not really a classroom book, though). The other hidden constraint is that the mythical editor has not said whether a companion CD will be created--and my belief is that most international folk dance groups are still record-dependent. Thus many of these choices might have to be dropped in favor of what records currently exist. > > How about the US section? Most international folk dance books just include a couple of squares & contras & the Virginia Reel. I'd like to see a simple hula, perhaps a singing square....what else? The LIndy? JItterbug? The Mashed Potato? The Chicken Dance? > > Hypothetically yrs > > Allison > > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 10:01:06 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <003001c402db$b18b3440$168d4a0c-AT-paulstam> Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu From: "Paul Stamler" To: References: <20040305.060803.484.566844-AT-webmail18.nyc.untd.com> Subject: Re: hypothetical question Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 12:00:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: <> I'd include a play-party. I would, however, leave out the Kentucky Running Set, as that takes enough effort to learn that I class it as a specialized item rather than something for a general-audience book. Back to squares and contras: I'd include an old-time visiting square and a MWSD square, a traditional New England contra and a contemporary "zesty" contra. The Chicken Dance, absolutely; at the moment it's our only widespread indigenous folk dance. (In St. Louis, at least among South Side Catholics, a marriage isn't considered legal unless you do the Duck Dance -- our local name for the Chicken Dance -- at the reception, and serve mostaccioli, which is pronounced "muskaccioli".) If you really wanted to get out there, hypothetically speaking, you could include a couple of cheerleader routines; check the archives for our discussion about seven years ago of American cheerleading as the American ritual dance, a local variant of Morris. Peace, Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 10:10:26 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 18:09:24 GMT To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: cheerleaders Content-Type: text/plain From: allisonthompson-AT-juno.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <20040305.100941.499.625615-AT-webmail21.nyc.untd.com> Oh, yeah, I love cheerleader routines. Also double dutch jump roping contests, and those big marching band contests with flags & rifles--just like 19th century drill! Also the Hokey Pokey. What a gift to the world. A. -- "Paul Stamler" wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: <> I'd include a play-party. I would, however, leave out the Kentucky Running Set, as that takes enough effort to learn that I class it as a specialized item rather than something for a general-audience book. Back to squares and contras: I'd include an old-time visiting square and a MWSD square, a traditional New England contra and a contemporary "zesty" contra. The Chicken Dance, absolutely; at the moment it's our only widespread indigenous folk dance. (In St. Louis, at least among South Side Catholics, a marriage isn't considered legal unless you do the Duck Dance -- our local name for the Chicken Dance -- at the reception, and serve mostaccioli, which is pronounced "muskaccioli".) If you really wanted to get out there, hypothetically speaking, you could include a couple of cheerleader routines; check the archives for our discussion about seven years ago of American cheerleading as the American ritual dance, a local variant of Morris. Peace, Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 10:24:42 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 13:25:28 -0500 Subject: Re: cheerleaders From: Margaret Talbot Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh. Oh! I am afraid someone has put their right foot into it now. Margaret On 3/5/04 1:09 PM, "allisonthompson-AT-JUNO.COM" wrote: > > Oh, yeah, I love cheerleader routines. Also double dutch jump roping contests, > and those big marching band contests with flags & rifles--just like 19th > century drill! > > Also the Hokey Pokey. What a gift to the world. > > A. > > > > > > > > -- "Paul Stamler" wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > < a couple of squares & contras & the Virginia Reel. I'd like to see a simple > hula, perhaps a singing square....what else? The LIndy? JItterbug? The > Mashed Potato? The Chicken Dance?>> > > I'd include a play-party. I would, however, leave out the Kentucky Running > Set, as that takes enough effort to learn that I class it as a specialized > item rather than something for a general-audience book. > > Back to squares and contras: I'd include an old-time visiting square and a > MWSD square, a traditional New England contra and a contemporary "zesty" > contra. The Chicken Dance, absolutely; at the moment it's our only > widespread indigenous folk dance. (In St. Louis, at least among South Side > Catholics, a marriage isn't considered legal unless you do the Duck Dance -- > our local name for the Chicken Dance -- at the reception, and serve > mostaccioli, which is pronounced "muskaccioli".) > > If you really wanted to get out there, hypothetically speaking, you could > include a couple of cheerleader routines; check the archives for our > discussion about seven years ago of American cheerleading as the American > ritual dance, a local variant of Morris. > > Peace, > Paul > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 14:10:33 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu From: "Keith Elmo Eldridge" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: Subject: RE: cheerleaders Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 22:09:47 -0000 Message-ID: <062901c402fe$93171a10$0e02a8c0-AT-ontario> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alison < allisonthompson-AT-JUNO.COM > wrote: > Oh, yeah, I love cheerleader routines. Also double dutch jump > roping contests, and those big marching band contests with > flags & rifles--just like 19th century drill! > > Also the Hokey Pokey. What a gift to the world. As this is the English CD list that should be the Hokey Cokey, as that is what it is called in England. Why the difference? I haven't a clue. Regards Elmo -- --Keith Elmo Eldridge --Buxworth, Derbyshire, England --Elmo-AT-aphelia.co.uk --I am, therefore I dance. I dance therefore I am. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 14:16:42 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu From: "Art Munisteri" To: Subject: RE: cheerleaders Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 17:16:23 -0500 Message-ID: <001701c402ff$7ef7c6a0$6401a8c0-AT-gateway> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Maybe because hokey-pokey means ice cream? Cheers, Art=20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [mailto:owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of Keith Elmo = Eldridge Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 5:10 PM To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: cheerleaders Alison < allisonthompson-AT-JUNO.COM > wrote: > Oh, yeah, I love cheerleader routines. Also double dutch jump roping=20 > contests, and those big marching band contests with flags &=20 > rifles--just like 19th century drill! > > Also the Hokey Pokey. What a gift to the world. As this is the English CD list that should be the Hokey Cokey, as that = is what it is called in England. Why the difference? I haven't a clue. Regards Elmo -- --Keith Elmo Eldridge --Buxworth, Derbyshire, England --Elmo-AT-aphelia.co.uk --I am, therefore I dance. I dance therefore I am. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 16:24:01 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: References: <001701c402ff$7ef7c6a0$6401a8c0-AT-gateway> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 19:19:08 -0500 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu From: Michael Bergman Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: cheerleaders Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Regardless of spelling and pronunciation, I believe it's originally an English Dance. Which does get us back to the original question... At 5:16 PM -0500 05-3-04, Art Munisteri wrote: >Maybe because hokey-pokey means ice cream? > >Cheers, Art > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu >[mailto:owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of Keith Elmo Eldridge >Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 5:10 PM >To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu >Subject: RE: cheerleaders > > >Alison < allisonthompson-AT-JUNO.COM > wrote: > >> Oh, yeah, I love cheerleader routines. Also double dutch jump roping >> contests, and those big marching band contests with flags & >> rifles--just like 19th century drill! >> >> Also the Hokey Pokey. What a gift to the world. > >As this is the English CD list that should be the Hokey Cokey, as that is >what it is called in England. > >Why the difference? I haven't a clue. > >Regards > Elmo >-- >--Keith Elmo Eldridge >--Buxworth, Derbyshire, England >--Elmo-AT-aphelia.co.uk >--I am, therefore I dance. I dance therefore I am. -- --Mike Bergman "Of course he has a website. We *all* have websites. It's the dawn of the 21st century, and we're all barbarians!" ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 21:07:45 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 05:06:27 GMT To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: ice cream Content-Type: text/plain From: allisonthompson-AT-juno.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <20040305.210707.524.1148706-AT-webmail10.nyc.untd.com> hokey-pokey means ice cream? I always thought it was a take off on the craze for Hawaiian dances & songs that started around 1919 or so. Either that or something dreadfully salacious. A frozen dairy confection never crossed my mind in conjunction with this dance title. Gosh! I don't believe that I can accept this without a firm citation. Can you oblige? "You do the haagen-daz and you turn yourself around..." Good Humoredly yrs, Allison -- Michael Bergman wrote: Regardless of spelling and pronunciation, I believe it's originally an English Dance. Which does get us back to the original question... At 5:16 PM -0500 05-3-04, Art Munisteri wrote: >Maybe because hokey-pokey means ice cream? > >Cheers, Art > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu >[mailto:owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of Keith Elmo Eldridge >Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 5:10 PM >To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu >Subject: RE: cheerleaders > > >Alison < allisonthompson-AT-JUNO.COM > wrote: > >> Oh, yeah, I love cheerleader routines. Also double dutch jump roping >> contests, and those big marching band contests with flags & >> rifles--just like 19th century drill! >> >> Also the Hokey Pokey. What a gift to the world. > >As this is the English CD list that should be the Hokey Cokey, as that is >what it is called in England. > >Why the difference? I haven't a clue. > >Regards > Elmo >-- >--Keith Elmo Eldridge >--Buxworth, Derbyshire, England >--Elmo-AT-aphelia.co.uk >--I am, therefore I dance. I dance therefore I am. -- --Mike Bergman "Of course he has a website. We *all* have websites. It's the dawn of the 21st century, and we're all barbarians!" ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 22:41:33 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu From: catiegeist-AT-att.net Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: hokey-pokey Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 06:41:17 +0000 Message-ID: <030620040641.18592.263a-AT-att.net> In Merriam Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, the definition of hokey-pokey is: n. [ca. 1878] 1. HOCUS-POCUS 2. ice cream sold by street vendors In Webster's New World Dictionary, the definition of hokey-pokey or hoky-poky is: n. [altered HOCUS-POCUS] 1. hocus-pocus; trickery 2. a kind of ice cream or flavored ice formerly sold by street vendors 3. a children's singing and dancing game Of course, we call it ice cream where I come from (California and Florida). Catie Condran Geist, California native, Florida resident ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 22:58:41 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu From: "Art Munisteri" To: Subject: RE: ice cream Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 01:58:23 -0500 Message-ID: <004501c40348$6aa148e0$6401a8c0-AT-gateway> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Hokey-pokey, penny a lump, taste before you buy....[&, if I remember rightly, "oh, what a lovely land is England."]. I have no idea whether = the expression is now old hat, or was limited to street vendors of ice cream (the quotation is a music-hall version of the hokey-pokey vendor's = street cry) or was otherwise applied only to certain kinds of ice cream in only limited situations. I know this because, and only because, of a song = that was done in the Victorian themed Revels (which [the Revels, not the = song], incidentally, changed my life and led to my frittering away my days in = the frivolity of dancing and its ancillary activities, such as this.) I'm = sure that many a person on this list knows much more, and can say it more entertainingly. Cheers, Art=20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [mailto:owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of allisonthompson-AT-JUNO.COM Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 12:06 AM To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: ice cream hokey-pokey means ice cream? I always thought it was a take off on the = craze for Hawaiian dances & songs that started around 1919 or so. Either that = or something dreadfully salacious. A frozen dairy confection never crossed = my mind in conjunction with this dance title. Gosh! I don't believe that I = can accept this without a firm citation. Can you oblige? "You do the haagen-daz and you turn yourself around..." Good Humoredly yrs, Allison -- Michael Bergman wrote: Regardless of spelling and pronunciation, I believe it's originally=20 an English Dance. Which does get us back to the original question... At 5:16 PM -0500 05-3-04, Art Munisteri wrote: >Maybe because hokey-pokey means ice cream? > >Cheers, Art > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu >[mailto:owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of Keith Elmo=20 >Eldridge >Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 5:10 PM >To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu >Subject: RE: cheerleaders > > >Alison < allisonthompson-AT-JUNO.COM > wrote: > >> Oh, yeah, I love cheerleader routines. Also double dutch jump roping = =20 >> contests, and those big marching band contests with flags & =20 >> rifles--just like 19th century drill! >> >> Also the Hokey Pokey. What a gift to the world. > >As this is the English CD list that should be the Hokey Cokey, as that=20 >is what it is called in England. > >Why the difference? I haven't a clue. > >Regards > Elmo >-- >--Keith Elmo Eldridge >--Buxworth, Derbyshire, England >--Elmo-AT-aphelia.co.uk >--I am, therefore I dance. I dance therefore I am. --=20 --Mike Bergman "Of course he has a website. We *all* have websites. It's the dawn=20 of the 21st century, and we're all barbarians!" ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 00:15:21 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <4049886B.40401-AT-sbcglobal.net> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 00:14:35 -0800 From: Kalia Kliban Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: hypothetical question References: <20040305.060803.484.566844-AT-webmail18.nyc.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit allisonthompson-AT-juno.com wrote: > I like the inclusion of the clog & morrises, but think that, for this mythical book, I would n't include your picks because they either 1) i nvolved too much expensive equipment (clogs, swo rds, bells) or a specific number of people, or a degree of physical strength & commitment. Ummm, unlike Sir Roger, which can be done so nicely with two or three people, or Nottingham Swing, in which one never breaks a sweat, or Lancer's, which one can pick up in an hour or so? I kinda see your point about the ritual dance apparatus, but you can clog in any hard-soled shoes, and you don't _have_ to have bells to do a morris dance. The sword dances can be, and very often are, done with wooden slats as a lightweight and cheap alternative to metal swords. Where there's a will... K -- Kalia Kliban kalia-AT-sbcglobal.net ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 03:25:05 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <1078572288.09.9228-mab-AT-galahad> From: mab-AT-tgis.co.uk Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: cheerleaders Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 11:24:48 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Googling gives us the following Michael Barraclough http://www.michaelbarraclough.com Hokey Pokey From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. The Hokey Pokey is a participation dance that became popular in the USA in the 1950s. Larry LaPrise, Charles Macak and Tafit Baker were granted the copyright for the song in 1950. According to popular legend they created this novelty dance in 1949 as entertainment for the ski crowd at Idaho's Sun Valley resort. Ray Anthony's big band recording of the song turned it into a nationwide sensation by the mid-1950s. The "Hokey Pokey" appeared on the B side of Anthony's "Bunny Hop" single.) Its rights were purchased in the mid-1960s by country-western music star Roy Acuff's publishing company, Acuff-Rose. It has virtually the same lyrics as the "Hokey-cokey", a song and novelty dance which has been popular in England since the mid-1940s. In additional to the lyrics, these two songs also share similar dance moves, as well as stringly similar names. "Hokey-cokey" is also known as "Okey-cokey". Participants stand in a big ring formation during the dance. The dance follows the instructions given in the lyrics of the song, which may be prompted by a bandleader or another danceleader. Specific body parts are named, and these are then sequentially put into the ring, taken out of the ring, and finally wiggled around manically inside the ring. After this is done one raises one's hands up to the side of the head, wiggles them, and turns around in place until the next sequence begins, with a new named body part. There are many theories and conjectures about the meaning of the words "Hokey Pokey", and of their origin. These include Why do we sing the Hokey-Cokey? Hmm...... well ....back in 17th century Puritan England anything 'popish' or Roman Catholic was viewed with great suspicion and open to, at best, ridicule. The Hokey-Cokey, with its song and actions, is a mimicry of the Roman Catholic Mass. In those days the priest faced the altar (not the people) and performed several actions as he consecrated the bread and wine at Holy Communion. The words of the service were in Latin. You put your left arm in ......etc was ridiculing the priest as he lifted his arms heavenward during the rite. You do the Hokey- Cokey and you turn around............ was when the priest turned to face the congregation with the host (consecrated bread) to offer it to them. Ooooh, the Hokey-Cokey......... hokey-cokey is a corruption of the Latin words of consecration - Hoc est corpus: 'This is my body' (Note: many of the strange words and phrases of our language are corruptions of other languages introduced to our country over the years and few were educated enough to speak or understand Latin). Knees bend, arm stretch, ra-ra-ra....... knees bend is a ridicule of the genuflection (a kind of religious curtsey to the altar) of the priest, arm stretch is when he holds up his hands at the point of consecration in the service, and ra-ra-ra is just a mimicry of the Latin words and prayers they didn't understand. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 03:58:49 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 11:52:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Jen Wood Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: hypothetical question Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 6 Mar 2004, Kalia Kliban wrote: > The sword > dances can be, and very often are, done with wooden slats as > a lightweight and cheap alternative to metal swords. > > Where there's a will... I saw rapper being done with twisted black bin bags last weekend :) Jen ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 09:09:10 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <404A0565.7070302-AT-sbcglobal.net> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 09:07:49 -0800 From: Kalia Kliban Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: hypothetical question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jen Wood wrote: >>The sword >>dances can be, and very often are, done with wooden slats as >>a lightweight and cheap alternative to metal swords. >> >>Where there's a will... > > > I saw rapper being done with twisted black bin bags last weekend :) There you go... I've seen longsword done with plastic forks. Not _well_, mind you, but with great determination and very little sobriety. K -- Kalia Kliban kalia-AT-sbcglobal.net ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 09:24:58 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <20040306172447.34855.qmail-AT-web80208.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 09:24:47 -0800 (PST) From: SUSAN Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Hypothetical question To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1309243189-1078593887=:33696" --0-1309243189-1078593887=:33696 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii At a famous annual Christmas Country Dance School after-party (in Berea, Kentucky), one can see or participate in "wrapper-rapper" - performed at top speed to live music, well after midnight, with saved-up plastic bread wrappers. There were two sets of dancers at this event a couple of years ago. Truly a sight to behold. Susan Booker --0-1309243189-1078593887=:33696 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

At a famous annual Christmas Country Dance School after-party (in Berea, Kentucky), one can see or participate in "wrapper-rapper" - performed at top speed to live music, well after midnight, with saved-up plastic bread wrappers. There were two sets of dancers at this event a couple of years ago.

Truly a sight to behold.

Susan Booker

--0-1309243189-1078593887=:33696-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 14:05:35 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu From: catiegeist-AT-att.net Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: hypothetical