Archive-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 10:57:14 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 12:56:58 -0600 From: Jonathan Sivier Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Christmas Ball in central IL, 12/20 To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20031201125658.A28728-AT-uiuc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT The Central Illinois English Country Dancers Present An E N G L I S H C O U N T R Y D A N C E C H R I S T M A S B A L L The Central Illinois English Country Dancers will be holding their ninth annual Christmas Ball on Saturday, December 20, 2003. The dance will be held at the Channing-Murray Foundation, 1209 W. Oregon, Urbana, IL, on the campus of the University of Illinois. There will be a warm up session from 7:00 to 8:00 with a review of the basics of English country dance as well as some of the evening's dances. The Ball will follow from 8:00 to 11:00 p.m. Fans and finery are encouraged. Bring fruit or a dessert to share. There is a $7.00 suggested donation to help cover the cost of the Ball. We ask that dancers wear soft soled shoes to help protect the dance floor and avoid using excessive amounts of perfume for the benefit of others that may experience allergic reactions. All dances will be taught and all lovers of English country dance and music are welcome. Dances Led By: Jane Hobgood and Jonathan Sivier Music Provided By: The Flatland Consort Warm Up Session: 7:00 p.m. Christmas Ball: 8:00 to 11:00 p.m. Date: Saturday, December 20, 2003 Location: Channing-Murray Foundation, 1209 W. Oregon, Urbana, IL Suggested Donation: $7.00 There will be refreshments and a mummers' play at the break and a dessert party following the dance. The evening's dances will be selected from the following list: Colonial Quadrille - 4 couples in a square Dargason - 4 couples longways Dashing White Sergeant - 3 facing 3 Duke of Kent's Waltz - duple proper longways Geud Man Of Ballangigh - duple proper longways Grand March - longways for as many as will Heartsease - 2 couples facing Jenny Pluck Pears - 3 couples in a circle Lull Me Beyond Thee - 4 couples longways Margaret's Waltz - Sicilian circle Picking Up Sticks - 3 couples longways Prarie - 4 couples in a square The Queen's Jig - duple proper longways Sackett's Harbor - triple proper longways Trip To Woodstock - duple proper longways For further information contact Jonathan Sivier (jsivier-AT-uiuc.edu) at 217/359-8225 or Jane Hobgood at 217/328-1708. You can check the Christmas Ball website at http://www.prairienet.org/ciecd/xmas.html For those who are interested, the Urbana Country Dancers will be holding a contra dance on Friday, December 19, from 8 to 11 p.m. at the Phillip's Recreation Center, 505 W. Stoughton, Urbana. Mark Richardson from Bloomington, Indiana will be the caller and the music will be provided by a group of local musicians. Central Illinois English Country Dancers is affiliated with the Champaign Park District and a member of the Champaign County Cultural Consortium. If we don't see you at the Ball, Then 'Happy Hols' to one and all! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Jonathan Sivier |Q: How many angels can dance on the | | jsivier-AT-uiuc.edu | head of a pin? | | Flight Simulation Lab |A: It depends on what dance you call. | | Beckman Institute | | | 405 N. Mathews | SWMDG - Single White Male | | Urbana, IL 61801 | Dance Gypsy | | Work: 217/244-1923 | | | Home: 217/359-8225 | Have shoes, will dance. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Home page URL: http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/jsivier | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 11:09:56 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 13:08:51 -0600 From: Paul Stamler Subject: St. Louis ECD Christmas Ball Jan. 3rd To: ecd list Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <000c01c3b9d0$e4162ae0$2c904a0c-AT-paulstam> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi folks: The St. Louis English Country Dancers will present their end-of-a-holiday Olde Christmas Ball on Saturday, January 3rd, from 7:30 - 10:30 pm at the Focal Point Arts Center, 2720 S. Sutton Blvd. in Maplewood (an inner-ring suburb of St. Louis). Music by the Original Speckled Band, calling by Peter Wollenberg, Missy Reisenleiter, Rebecca Taylor and Paul Stamler.All dances will be taught. For further information see our website or e-mail or phone me. A splendid time is guaranteed for all. Peace, Paul Stamler pstamler-AT-pobox.com 314-664-9207 Website: http://members.aol.com/paradiseMO/english.html ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 18:41:49 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 21:41:22 -0500 From: SFORDNYC-AT-aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: CDNY Yuletide Cotillion To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <686330E3.69332C91.0078596C-AT-aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Especially for those in the NYC area (assuming the storm blowing up the coast doesn't wreak havoc with our plans)..... A reminder that CDNY's annual Yuletide Cotillion will take place on Sunday December 7 from 3:00-7:00 p.m. at Congregation Beth Elohim in Park Slope, Brooklyn. Dancing will be led by Master of Ceremonies Colin Hume with music by Bare Necessities (Jacqueline, Mary, Earl and Peter). Festive attire! Refreshment treats welcome! (And the usual drill about shoes, etc.) Here's a link to our web site for directions: www.cdny.org or http://www.cdny.org/yuletidecotillion.html Have a wonderful holiday season -- with lots of dancing! Suzanne Ford for CDNY ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 15:31:10 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 18:30:55 -0500 From: Tom Vincent Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: New Castle (DE) New Year's Eve Ball To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <014e01c3bb87$d5199af0$6ec35244-AT-Hawk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <000c01c3b9d0$e4162ae0$2c904a0c-AT-paulstam> The URL below is a flyer for the 5th annual New Years Eve Colonial Ball in New Castle, DE. If you have not attended this event before, I highly recommend it. It's a lovely evening in a setting with wonderful atmosphere. If you have attended before, please notice the cost is reduced by $5 per person for early reservations. Music will be provided by Robert Mouland, and dances will be led by Tom Vincent. Please forward the flyer to any groups or individuals you believe might be interested. You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EnglishCountryDance/files/2004NewYearsEveBroadside.pdf Regards, Tom Vincent tomrvincent-AT-yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 07:36:02 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 10:35:42 -0500 (EST) From: SFORDNYC-AT-aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: CDNY Yuletide Cotillion -- Today December 7th To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <1c0.12b73877.2d04a2ce-AT-aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_eG0sxrR+KkN8+/OPFtNZiA)" --Boundary_(ID_eG0sxrR+KkN8+/OPFtNZiA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hello NY Area Country Dancers! CDNY's Yuletide Cotillion will take place this afternoon from 3:00 to 7:00 p.m. at Congregation Beth Elohim in Park Slope, Brooklyn. Colin Hume will be calling and Bare Necessities will be playing -- and hopefully a bunch of us will be dancing. So if you can get out and about, join us! For directions, go to www.cdny.org and link to the Yuletide Cotillion. Suzanne Ford CDNY --Boundary_(ID_eG0sxrR+KkN8+/OPFtNZiA) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hello NY Area Country Dancers!

CDNY's Yuletide Cotillion will take place this afternoon from 3:00 to 7:00 p.m. at Congregation Beth Elohim in Park Slope, Brooklyn.  Colin Hume will be calling and Bare Necessities will be playing -- and hopefully a bunch of us will be dancing.

So if you can get out and about, join us!  For directions, go to www.cdny.org and link to the Yuletide Cotillion.

Suzanne Ford
CDNY --Boundary_(ID_eG0sxrR+KkN8+/OPFtNZiA)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 07:32:21 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 10:32:08 -0500 (EST) From: "Susan R. Lorand" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: New Year's Eve English dance - Princeton, NJ, USA To: ECD mailing list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT The Princeton Country Dancers invite you to a special New Year's Eve English dance, featuring Ted Rudofker calling to music by Jacqueline Schwab, piano John Burkhalter, recorders Susie Lorand, violin, viola, recorders Time 6:30 pm: potluck for as many as will 8 pm - midnight: English dancing (bring clean, soft-soled shoes) Place Suzanne Patterson Center, Monument Drive, Princeton, NJ Near intersection of Routes 206 & 27; walking distance from train & bus. Admission: $16 in advance (students $10) / $20 at the door (students $15) Call 609-924-6763 to get a flyer by mail. Or print out this e-mail, fill in form, & mail w/check payable to PCD. (Refunds offered if you cancel and we can fill your place, or if weather forces us to cancel.) Advance registrations will help us plan (and assure us that the event is viable), so please sign up early if interested. - Susie Lorand, for PCD - - - - - - PCD New Year's Eve Dance 2003 Pre-registration - - - - - - Name(s)________________________________________________________________ Address________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________ Phone ________________________________________________________________ E-mail ________________________________________________________________ (We'll acknowledge receipt by e-mail, or by mail if you enclose a SASE.) ____ adults x $16 = $ _______ ____ students x $10 = $ _______ ____ I/we can offer overnight hospitality to ____ people ____ I/we need a place to stay I can help with ___________________ Potluck: (circle one) will attend won't attend not sure Check payable to PCD; mail to M. Scott, 112 Linden Lane, Princeton, NJ 08540 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 15:38:05 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 18:37:53 -0500 (EST) From: "Susan R. Lorand" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Seeking ride for Jacqueline Schwab from Boston to NY/NJ and back, Dec 31-Jan 1 To: ECD mailing list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Jacqueline Schwab and Edmund Robinson are looking for a ride south from Boston on December 31 and north on January 1. (This is to get them to the New Year's Eve dance in Princeton.) Edmund's car is on its last legs... All the way from Boston to Princeton on 12/31 would be best - but if you are going as far as NYC or northern NJ, we can get them the rest of the way. On January 1, we can get them to northern NJ or NYC if you can take them from there to Boston. RSVP to me offlist - thanks! Susie Lorand Princeton, NJ, USA ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 07:30:06 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:29:09 -0500 From: Marge Cramton Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: experience integrating a blind dancer? To: "'ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu'" Message-ID: <111C7A5AB1BCD411918A000103212474013C37DD-AT-MAIL1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi, I'm wondering whether any groups have had any experience integrating a blind dancer into regular mixed-level ECD events? I'd like to hear about specific techniques that people have tried and what their results were. - Has anyone tried using volunteers to guide the dancer (making, in effect, a 3-person "couple")? - Would you preselect easier dances to start with? (meaning the leader would have to announce each dance before people lined up, and the vision-impaired dancer wouldn't be able to dance every dance, at least at the start) - Would you assume the leaders would need advance notice to accommodate this person? - Would you have the leaders instruct the other dancers in any specific ways of helping? - Any other suggestions? Thanks! Marge Cramton ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:17:17 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:16:55 -0500 (EST) From: "Susan R. Lorand" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: experience integrating a blind dancer? To: "'ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu'" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <111C7A5AB1BCD411918A000103212474013C37DD-AT-MAIL1> three thoughts off the top of my head: as an organizer, i would talk with the blind dancer about what kind of help or accommodation s/he would like from the group and from the caller(s). then i would talk with the caller(s) in advance of the event or series (before a caller starts planning a program, if possible). or i might try to meet with the blind dancer and the caller(s) together. callers can help by selecting dances with a lot of hand connections. moves like single-file circles and heys for 3 or 4 - unless modified to use hands - might be difficult. callers can also help by encouraging people to be flexible about moves like gypsies (substitute rh or lh turns) and circular heys (inviting people to use hands if it helps). i don't know what you would do about figures of eight... i've been in summer camp workshops where one or more dancers in a set were blindfolded. it's quite a different experience from dancing with sight! i recommend it as an exercise for getting a small taste of what a blind dancer experiences. hope this helps... susie lorand On Wed, 10 Dec 2003, Marge Cramton wrote: > Hi, > I'm wondering whether any groups have had any experience integrating a blind > dancer into regular mixed-level ECD events? I'd like to hear about specific > techniques that people have tried and what their results were. > > - Has anyone tried using volunteers to guide the dancer (making, in effect, > a 3-person "couple")? > - Would you preselect easier dances to start with? (meaning the leader would > have to announce each dance before people lined up, and the vision-impaired > dancer wouldn't be able to dance every dance, at least at the start) > - Would you assume the leaders would need advance notice to accommodate this > person? > - Would you have the leaders instruct the other dancers in any specific ways > of helping? > - Any other suggestions? > > Thanks! > Marge Cramton ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:01:30 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:00:16 -0600 From: Paul Stamler Subject: Re: experience integrating a blind dancer? To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <002501c3bf3f$16733640$31914a0c-AT-paulstam> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <111C7A5AB1BCD411918A000103212474013C37DD-AT-MAIL1> <> From what I've gathered from blind friends, they're very aware of their position in space, and very much accustomed to counting steps in particular directions. One used to navigate around campus quite accurately: "82 steps out the front door of the library, turn right, 18 steps and feel for the stairway, down three steps, three steps ahead, open door to student lounge." She'd memorized the entire campus (except the engineering buildings, since she was in liberal arts). If her abilities are typical, and I gather they are, a figure of eight shouldn't be a major problem, except for possible collisions with sighted dancers who are out of place. If the sighted dancers keep their wits about them, it should work okay. Peace, Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:05:38 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:08:36 -0500 From: Barbara Luke Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: experience integrating a blind dancer? To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <001c01c3bf2f$7cd7ee40$362d3841-AT-kicksass.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <111C7A5AB1BCD411918A000103212474013C37DD-AT-MAIL1> In helping integrate a blind dancer into ECD activities, my sense is that most of us would tend toward giving much more assistance than is actually needed. Much depends on the degree of sightlessness. Many blind folks see some degree of light and dark so they "see" figures crossing their paths. After all, they've been successfully negotiating through their world for years. In the case of macular degeneration, there may be quite a bit of peripheral vision and the ability to see colors which will help the dancer navigate with and through the other dancers. Before deciding "what should be done" for a particular individual, watch closely and determine what minimum amount of "help" is needed to give them success. Any blind person willing to tackle this new skill and plunge into a new community must be a pretty adventuresome and out-going person. Too much well-meaning assistance by veteran dancers, who want to be sure that this newcomer gets things just right, will put a damper on their experience. Besides, it's ever so easy for us sighted dancers to move aside, if necessary, for someone in the "wrong" place, and so much gets clarified by the 3rd and 4th time through a pattern that it's not worth correcting the first missteps by anyone, sightless or not (unless, of course, they've stumbled into one of those groups of dancers for whom ECD is not just dancing, but is a passion for perfection, putting newcomers of any sort onto the tenderhooks of crossing some invisible line of "proper dance behavior" and being scowled at. Sorry, I just had to get that off my chest.) Announcing each dance before people line up and having some easy dances first in the evening are courtesies that are appreciated by all of us. Experienced dancers willing to partner the newcomer through a dance with the subtlest possible assistance are always welcomed by novices. On the other hand, "3-person couples" could possibly create some confusion progressing down the set. And any instructions from the leader to the group as to how to help should be general and applicable to any newcomer. No one, particularly a person whose abilitlies are in some way limited, enjoys being singled out in public as being less able to particpate. And, yes, I've worked with a blind dancer. My mother, while in her late 80's and with very limited vision, enjoyed English Country dancing very much. The music and the friendly hands offered all the way down the set gave her all the help she needed or wanted. Every new dancer is a potential experienced dancer and a new asset to the dance community. After all, they showed up, didn't they! Barbara Luke, Provo, Utah ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marge Cramton" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 10:29 AM Subject: experience integrating a blind dancer? > > Hi, > I'm wondering whether any groups have had any experience integrating a blind > dancer into regular mixed-level ECD events? I'd like to hear about specific > techniques that people have tried and what their results were. > > - Has anyone tried using volunteers to guide the dancer (making, in effect, > a 3-person "couple")? > - Would you preselect easier dances to start with? (meaning the leader would > have to announce each dance before people lined up, and the vision-impaired > dancer wouldn't be able to dance every dance, at least at the start) > - Would you assume the leaders would need advance notice to accommodate this > person? > - Would you have the leaders instruct the other dancers in any specific ways > of helping? > - Any other suggestions? > > Thanks! > Marge Cramton > > > > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:05:43 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:05:34 -0500 From: Campbell Kaynor Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: experience integrating a blind dancer? To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Dear Marge, With visually impaired people, you might try something that I have found tends to work well with newcomers and young children, which is to emphasize dances that have more rather than less contact with the partners and neighbors. What I mean is to select repertoire that has for example a right hand turn rather than a back-to-back or a hey with hands rather than without. I find that this allows the experienced dancers to exert some influence on the direction and routes their neighbors take, without making them feel singled out for tutorial-type instruction. As the blind person becomes familiar with these figures, select repertoire with short gaps between stretches of contact and gradually over time try figures with increased independent movement. I believe that eye-sight is not essential and that even those of us who can see use more of our senses in dancing well than our eyes. I feel our muscles develop a good sense of appropriate distances to travel, and our ears give us the information we need in terms of timing etc... Our eyes tend to reinforce the judgements our other senses have already made. It's a fun exercise to blindfold a group of dancers before they dance a known dance. They will be surprised at how much they pay attention to the music and the moments of contact with each other, and everyone will be surprised at how well they do. If they can do that well without practice, think how it would be if they had well trained other senses. Cammy ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:32:57 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:34:56 -0500 From: jbgrun Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: experience integrating a blind dancer? To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Does anyone remember that amazing "legally blind" young man from Rochester who attended Pinewoods for at least one summer during the 80's? Although he required assistance in getting around Camp, on the dance floor he needed only occasional physical "prompting." His timing was impeccable & he was a real source of inspiration to the dancers in his line or set because HE knew where we were SUPPOSED to be at all times which challenged us to pay strict attention to our patterns & formationms so as not to throw him off. (DUH, shouldn't we be doing that anyway?) Judy Grunberg ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:08:21 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:08:13 -0800 (PST) From: Country Dancers of Westchester Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: CDW Holiday Dance - 13 December To: ECD List Message-ID: <20031210180813.28342.qmail-AT-web12205.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT CDW's "Holiday Dance" features emcee Judi Rivkin and the band, The Flying Romanos -- Robin Russell, Marnen Laibow-Koser, and Norma Castle. The dance is at 8pm, Saturday, December 13, at The Church in the Highlands, 35 Bryant Ave., White Plains, NY. Admission is $12.00; CDW members pay $10.00. Festive refreshments served! Directions to the church and other information about CDW are available at its website: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/2225/ For more information, call Susan Murrow at 914/762-8619 or Leah Barkan at 914/693-5577. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:21:31 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:20:17 -0600 From: Paul Stamler Subject: Fw: Dancing To: ecd list Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <005001c3bf4a$44395900$31914a0c-AT-paulstam> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi folks: I sent a query to a blind internet-friend, and received this response. Peace, Paul "I've done some contra, but am not very good at it since I'm spatially challenged, so I have to depend on the good humor of the group. I I haven't done it in aeons, but I always screw up in doing a grand right and left. I've done enough to know what most of the calls mean, or, I know theoretically what I'm supposed to do. I guess that the more verbally explicit the caller could be, especially if the dancer is a beginner, the better that would be, and, at least initially, if the person could be guided through the moves physically, that would be helpful. I know that there is a blind caller who staffs some of the dance weeks at Pinewoods Camp, but I don't know her name. If you contact Steve Howe at CDSS, he'll probably know." ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:21:56 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:21:35 -0500 (EST) From: "Priscilla M. Burrage" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: experience integrating a blind dancer? To: "'ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu'" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <111C7A5AB1BCD411918A000103212474013C37DD-AT-MAIL1> On Wed, 10 Dec 2003, Marge Cramton wrote: > I'm wondering whether any groups have had any experience integrating a blind > dancer into regular mixed-level ECD events? I'd like to hear about specific > techniques that people have tried and what their results were. You should get a good reply from the Montreal branch as they have had experience with two visually impaired dancers. I danced with each of them many times and forgot that they were blind. One of my experiences was with dancing with one of them at a Ball at a different branch. The major problems were the other dancers. they would realizze they had a blind person in the set and panic. Grabbing a blind person's hand out of time to the music jus tirrates that blind person, it does not help him through the dance. Dancing with poor phrasing is the next biggest sin. > - Has anyone tried using volunteers to guide the dancer (making, in effect, > a 3-person "couple")? No, the blind dancer would then have to learn twice. Once with his shadow and then without. > - Would you preselect easier dances to start with? (meaning the leader would > have to announce each dance before people lined up, and the vision-impaired > dancer wouldn't be able to dance every dance, at least at the start) the blind dancer should have a few hours of beginner classes even with other beginners. they will be told to dhape up their phrase as a help. to all. > - Would you assume the leaders would need advance notice to accommodate this > person? No, unless the leader was inexperienced and might panic. . > - Would you have the leaders instruct the other dancers in any specific ways > of helping? No, just have a partner for the blind dnacer who knows that you say "right -- turn" Not turn right. Or right hand to corner. Or > - Any other suggestions? Even when you are guiding a blind person across the street, you have that person take your arm, you do NOT grab them by the arm and try to steer them. Listen to what the blind person says he needs from the leader and the other dancers. Each one will be a little different. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Priscilla Burrage Vermont US (Priscilla.Burrage-AT-uvm.edu) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:52:49 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:52:33 -0500 From: Carl Friedman Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Fw: Dancing To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <005001c3bf4a$44395900$31914a0c-AT-paulstam> The blind contra caller noted by Paul's friend is Sarah Gregory Smith. She is a wonderful caller, and a remarkably good dancer. Of note is the fact that she learned calling and dancing before she lost her sight to diabetes. An attempt to learn to dance (much less to call) for the first time when blind would be a very different issue. Carl Friedman >Hi folks: > >I sent a query to a blind internet-friend, and received this response. > >Peace, >Paul > >"I've done some contra, but am not very good at it since I'm spatially >challenged, so I have to depend on the good humor of the group. I I haven't >done it in aeons, but I always screw up in doing a grand right and left. >I've done enough to know what most of the calls mean, or, I know >theoretically what I'm supposed to do. I guess that the more verbally >explicit the caller could be, especially if the dancer is a beginner, the >better that would be, and, at least initially, if the person could be guided >through the moves physically, that would be helpful. I know that there is a >blind caller who staffs some of the dance weeks at Pinewoods Camp, but I >don't know her name. If you contact Steve Howe at CDSS, he'll probably >know." ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:58:32 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:58:24 -0800 (PST) From: Benjamin Stein Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: experience integrating a blind dancer? To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20031210205824.84663.qmail-AT-web41503.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --- "Priscilla M. Burrage" wrote: > On Wed, 10 Dec 2003, Marge Cramton wrote: > > > I'm wondering whether any groups have had any > experience integrating a blind > > dancer into regular mixed-level ECD events? I'd like to > hear about specific > > techniques that people have tried and what their > results were. > > You should get a good reply from the Montreal branch as > they have had > experience with two visually impaired dancers. > > I danced with each of them many times and forgot that > they were blind. > > One of my experiences was with dancing with one of them > at a Ball at a > different branch. The major problems were the other > dancers. they would > realizze they had a blind person in the set and panic. > Grabbing a blind > person's hand out of time to the music jus tirrates that > blind person, it > does not help him through the dance. Dancing with poor > phrasing is the > next biggest sin. > > > - Has anyone tried using volunteers to guide the dancer > (making, in effect, > > a 3-person "couple")? > > No, the blind dancer would then have to learn twice. > Once with his shadow > and then without. > > > - Would you preselect easier dances to start with? > (meaning the leader would > > have to announce each dance before people lined up, and > the vision-impaired > > dancer wouldn't be able to dance every dance, at least > at the start) > > the blind dancer should have a few hours of beginner > classes even with > other beginners. they will be told to dhape up their > phrase as a help. to > all. > > > - Would you assume the leaders would need advance > notice to accommodate this > > person? > > No, unless the leader was inexperienced and might panic. > . > > - Would you have the leaders instruct the other dancers > in any specific ways > > of helping? > > No, just have a partner for the blind dnacer who knows > that you say "right > -- turn" Not turn right. Or right hand to corner. Or > > > - Any other suggestions? > > Even when you are guiding a blind person across the > street, you have that > person take your arm, you do NOT grab them by the arm and > try to steer > them. > > Listen to what the blind person says he needs from the > leader and the > other dancers. Each one will be a little different. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Priscilla Burrage Vermont US > (Priscilla.Burrage-AT-uvm.edu) > Second Priscilas comments, partcularly theone ab out "right turn" rather than "turn right. I not only had the pleasure of having a blind person in my local Scottish group some years ago but also the challenge and pleasure of escorting a blind skier down the mountain and I remember him saying to please give the direction first and the order second-thus he would ask me to say "right" turn and then would turn on the command "turn" knowing in advance which way to go. Found it very important for the corners to maintain their position in a dance and not move about. the blind dancer would go down the middle and back to corner position when he could depend on the corners to be where they were supposed to be. Ben Stein __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:10:18 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:01:30 -0800 (PST) From: Country Dancers of Westchester Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Fried: Easy & Elegant To: ECD List Message-ID: <20031210220130.88495.qmail-AT-web12208.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Ease & Elegance, Fried deMetz Herman's annual English Country dance workshop and party, is scheduled for Saturday afternoon and evening, 17 January 2004. Full information about the event and an application to attend are here. http://www.geocities.com/cdwestchester/ease04.htm To talk to Fried about the event, call (914) 834-9350. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 18:29:51 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 21:29:14 -0500 From: Diane Schmit Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: experience integrating a blind dancer? To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU, ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20031210210622.017acfd8-AT-popd.ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_TwUc1rvwiuJjWkuy9rJa0A)" --Boundary_(ID_TwUc1rvwiuJjWkuy9rJa0A) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT At 12:34 PM 12/10/2003, jbgrun wrote: >Does anyone remember that amazing "legally blind" young man from Rochester >who attended Pinewoods for at least one summer during the 80's? Yes! And, he was amazing! I remember him being there maybe 2 or 3 summers, probably E&A week. Diane Schmit > Although he >required assistance in getting around Camp, on the dance floor he needed >only occasional physical "prompting." His timing was impeccable & he was a >real source of inspiration to the dancers in his line or set because HE knew >where we were SUPPOSED to be at all times which challenged us to pay strict >attention to our patterns & formationms so as not to throw him off. (DUH, >shouldn't we be doing that anyway?) > >Judy Grunberg --Boundary_(ID_TwUc1rvwiuJjWkuy9rJa0A) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT At 12:34 PM 12/10/2003, jbgrun wrote:
Does anyone remember that amazing "legally blind" young man from Rochester
who attended Pinewoods for at least one summer during the 80's?

Yes! And, he was amazing! I remember him being there maybe 2 or 3 summers, probably E&A week.


Diane Schmit

 Although he
required assistance in getting around Camp, on the dance floor he needed
only occasional physical "prompting." His timing was impeccable & he was a
real source of inspiration to the dancers in his line or set because HE knew
where we were SUPPOSED to be at all times which challenged us to pay strict
attention to our patterns & formationms so as not to throw him off. (DUH,
shouldn't we be doing that anyway?)

Judy Grunberg
--Boundary_(ID_TwUc1rvwiuJjWkuy9rJa0A)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 01:51:26 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:46:05 +0000 From: Hugh Stewart Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: The Country Dance Book To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3FD83CDC.8B51FCA6-AT-ugs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <388FC26A-6445-11D7-919D-0003936D91D2-AT-cox.net> After all that discussion about copyright recently I realised that Cecil Sharp's works are now out of copyright. For a copy of the Country Dance Books see http://www.cam.ac.uk/societies/round/cdb/index.htm (We are working on the music, but he made serious arrangements which are not really abc-able, so will probably need scanning and burn up space). Merry Christmas Hugh Stewart ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 07:37:38 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:59:19 +0000 From: trev Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: experience integrating a blind dancer? To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <005501c3bfd6$0cd07340$544379d5-AT-trevormo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <111C7A5AB1BCD411918A000103212474013C37DD-AT-MAIL1> We used to have a completely blind dancer at our Scottish dances. One thing not mentioned yet, was that he could only cope if the loudspeakers/amplification were at the front/top of the hall. He got his orientation from this. If there were additional loudspeakers further down the room, or at the bottom of the room he didn't know where he was or which direction to face. I think he had most problems with reels. Most people would give hands in reels of 3/4, when he put his hand out for guidance. Some dancers thought it below them to do this (don't ask me why) so sometimes he wouldn't know exactly how far to turn back at the ends of the reels and could end up in the next set. Figure 8s he seemed to cope with, but his partner would often take hands to guide him through the middle. Everything else he coped with, but you could see in some of the faster, more complicated dances he would grit his teeth and lurch out into the unknown and hope for the best, and amazingly to us, he got through them OK. In Scottish, (which may not happen quite as much in English) he would sometimes "turn off" and just listen to the music, getting completely absorbed with the music (he still plays accordion in a band - and reads the notes in Braille with his feet when learning a tune!) so we sometimes had to remind him he was coming in again soon. If I remember correctly, I think Alan Davies wrote a dance for a blind dancer. She did not dance a great deal, but her mother brought her to weekend events. The dance he wrote was very much a 2-hand turn partner, lines forwards and back, right hand turn etc type of dance, so she was always "attached" to someone, but still met other dancers in a long ways set. But if she hadn't have been dancing I wouldn't have realised the dance was written that way for her. Trev > > Hi, > I'm wondering whether any groups have had any experience integrating a blind > dancer into regular mixed-level ECD events? I'd like to hear about specific > techniques that people have tried and what their results were. > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.543 / Virus Database: 337 - Release Date: 21/11/03 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 08:24:57 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:24:39 -0500 (EST) From: David.Millstone-AT-valley.net (David Millstone) Subject: Re: experience integrating a blind dancer? To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <34962351-AT-enfield.VALLEY.NET> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Ben Stein's comment about guiding a blind dancer down the ski slopes brought to mind the time I was invited to call an evening of dancing 9contras and squares and the like) at a Ski for Light meet. This is an organization that pair blind and sighted skiers, both cross-country and downhill. I was told by the event's organizer that I could expect 50% of the folks to be "totals," 25% to be "partials" (meaning they could sense light from dark), and the remainder were sighted individuals with no dance experience. We ended up having a great time, aided in part by the presence of a fair number of ringers from the local dance community who showed up to enjoy the dancing and to be folks on the floor who help anchor the dancing. I spoke with a blind dancing friend while preparing for the event, and she mentioned some of the items that have been discussed by others: figures with hand connection are easier than do si do, for example. One other suggestion she had that I haven't seen mentioned concerns the music. She suggested that we put speakers in the front center of the hall, instead of coming from two front corners. She said she it was helpful to hear sound coming from one central point, so that she could orient herself and always know where the top of the hall was. Sound coming from two sources, or widely diffused, made that more difficult. David ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 08:30:10 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 08:29:58 -0800 From: Jon Berger Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: experience integrating a blind dancer? To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3FD89B86.4060109-AT-sbcglobal.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <20031210205824.84663.qmail-AT-web41503.mail.yahoo.com> This isn't exactly about ECD, but there's a legally-blind teenager that dances with Seabright Morris in Santa Cruz, California. He initially encountered morris at BACDS Family Camp a couple of years ago: his family apparently just stumbled on the camp when googling around the web looking for fun summer activities; they weren't members of the folk-dance community. Craig, the kid, happened to be in the age group that was doing morris at camp that summer, and between his determination to succeed and the helpful attitudes of the other campers, he got pretty good at it. The people who ran the camp were standing around kind of nervously the first day he did stick clashes, but nothing bad happened. -- Jon Berger http://pages.sbcglobal.net/jberger ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:07:25 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:07:12 -0800 From: Kalia Kliban Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: The Country Dance Book To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3FD8A440.9050003-AT-sbcglobal.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <388FC26A-6445-11D7-919D-0003936D91D2-AT-cox.net> <3FD83CDC.8B51FCA6-AT-ugs.com> Hugh Stewart wrote: > After all that discussion about copyright recently I realised that Cecil Sharp's > works are now out of copyright. > > For a copy of the Country Dance Books see > > http://www.cam.ac.uk/societies/round/cdb/index.htm > > (We are working on the music, but he made serious arrangements > which are not really abc-able, so will probably need scanning and > burn up space). This is a fantastic resource. Thank you for making this available. I was on the brink of ordering a set of the CDBs, and may yet, but this gives me the option to wait for a bit. The index is wonderful! Thank you thank you thank you! Kalia (a new caller still building her library) -- Kalia Kliban kalia-AT-sbcglobal.net ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:19:39 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:19:33 -0800 From: Sharon Green Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: experience integrating a blind dancer? To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031211091206.024d4fe8-AT-popserver.panix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <111C7A5AB1BCD411918A000103212474013C37DD-AT-MAIL1> At 10:59 AM 12/11/2003 +0000, Trevor Monson wrote: >If I remember correctly, I think Alan Davies wrote a dance for a blind >dancer. She did not dance a great deal, but her mother brought her to >weekend events. The dance he wrote was very much a 2-hand turn partner, >lines forwards and back, right hand turn etc type of dance, so she was >always "attached" to someone, but still met other dancers in a long ways >set. But if she hadn't have been dancing I wouldn't have realised the >dance was written that way for her. You're absolutely correct, Trev: Alan's dance, "Christine, Come Dance with Us," was published in Colin's Dance Matters column in English Dance & Song [Winter '98]. I understand that Alan's just put together a book of his dances, so possibly folks on the list will be able to get a copy of the dance some day soon. Much love, Sharon ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:50:36 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:57:24 +0000 (GMT) From: mab-AT-tgis.co.uk Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: The Country Dance Book To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <1071172644.7.3003-mab-AT-galahad> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I am not sure that this is correct. They were reprinted in 1976 by EP Publishing Ltd with copyright claimed again. Michael Barraclough http://www.mab.tgis.co.uk At Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:46:05 +0000, Hugh Stewart wrote: > After all that discussion about copyright recently I realised that Cecil > +Sharp's > works are now out of copyright. > > For a copy of the Country Dance Books see > > http://www.cam.ac.uk/societies/round/cdb/index.htm > > (We are working on the music, but he made serious arrangements > which are not really abc-able, so will probably need scanning and > burn up space). > > Merry Christmas > > Hugh Stewart > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:19:53 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:19:44 -0500 From: Richard Sauvain Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: experience integrating a blind dancer? To: ecd-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20031211220654.01c53330-AT-pop-server.rochester.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Re: "Does anyone remember that amazing "legally blind" young man from Rochester who attended Pinewoods for at least one summer during the 80's? " That would be Peter Torpey, who also happens to be a PhD physicist. He was a regular at our contra dances in the late 70's and early 80's, and did have partial vision -- he could tell dark from light, and I remember him once telling me he oriented on the pattern of lights in the ceiling of the dance hall. We also had a completely blind and wonderfully enthusiastic dancer at our Rochester English dances for a few years who preferred that partners give her auditory cues as to their location -- kind of a running chatter of conversation. With this alternate to a visual sense of what her partner was doing, and a little accommodation from other dancers if she got dramatically out of position, she was a delightful partner. -- Richard Sauvain, Rochester, NY ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:22:56 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:21:48 -0500 From: Terence Gaffney Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Playford Ball, Pre-Ball workshops in Boston To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <31B87A63-2CE9-11D8-9DA3-000393B84248-AT-research.neu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <388FC26A-6445-11D7-919D-0003936D91D2-AT-cox.net> <3FD83CDC.8B51FCA6-AT-ugs.com> <3FD8A440.9050003-AT-sbcglobal.net> Dear Friends, I'm happy to announce the schedule of events around the Boston Playford Ball. This year we will be having two Pre-Ball workshops, to help people prepare for the Ball who are from out of town or who have difficulty coming to our regular wednesday dances. The first workshop is on Sunday February 8, 1:30-4:30, at the Park Avenue church in Arlington, dances led by Helene Cornelius and music by pianist Ken Allen. This workshop is scheduled early in February to encourage our friends from out of town to make a weekend of it by joining us for our First Friday dance in February. We are also starting a little earlier, so our out of town friends can get an earlier start home. The other workshop is the Sunday before the Ball, February 29, 2-5 again at PACC. Dances led by Helene Cornelius and music by Karen Axelrod. Ticket prices for these events are $6 for people registering for the Ball, $9 for others. The Ball will be on Saturday March 6, with both the afternoon and evening sessions at the new Spring Step facility in Medford. The afternoon session starts at 1:30, the Ball starts at 8. Music by "Bare Necessities", and Helene Cornelius will be the Mistress of Ceremonies. We are working at putting the registration form in PDF format on our web site. Until then, if you e-mail me at gaff-AT-neu.edu, I will send you the PDF as an attached file. The new Spring Step facility just opened this September; it is a gift to the dance community in Boston from Deb Hawkins. It has a state of the art floor and sound system. List members interested in the project can read about it at http://www.springstep.org/. The building has a striking, modern design. One of the members of the band described it as "looking like an art museum" and asked "where's the art?" On March 6, the dancers will be the art. Come help us fill the hall! Best, Terry ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:30:35 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 19:30:24 -0500 (EST) From: SallenNic-AT-aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: CDBs To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <30.4c1fa7dc.2d0bb7a0-AT-aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 12/12/03 3:05:33 pm, Mike Barraclough writes: << They were reprinted in 1976 by EP Publishing Ltd with copyright claimed again. >> And after that were taken over by Harry Styles, who printed them till he retired a couple of years ago. However, as they were not in any way reset either by EP or Harry Styles, I doubt very much whether a fresh copyright could be claimed. Nicolas B., Lanark, Scotland http://www.nicolasbroadbridge.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:30:40 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 19:30:27 -0500 (EST) From: SallenNic-AT-aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Visually impaired dancers To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <1ca.15f642cf.2d0bb7a3-AT-aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT The most impressive achievement in this field that I have come across is that of June MacKay in Glasgow, who twenty years ago started "Blind Dance". This was for V.I. people to dance and each one was partnered by a Sighted Helper. The Helpers danced Man and the V.I.s danced lady. They progressed from the very simplest of hand held dances at the start to complex dance displays latterly, giving shows lasting up to an hour or more, with readings interspersing the dancing. Early Dance featured early on, in costume, and later was added to that Regency period/early Victorian, Scottish and English Country Dances. One of the members was a brilliant reader who had done quite a lot of Radio broadcasting, and it was always fascinating to watch her reading to the audience from a Braille script held against her midriff. Displays comprised as many as sixteen couples, and were carefully choreographed for great effect. One of my most loving memories is of a lovely tall V.I. lady launching off into 'The Clutha', a SCD in square formation which starts with two opposites crossing over and going round behind the opposite one's partner (or something like that): Nancy simply set off as if fhe could see exactly where she was going, and she could barely distinguish light from dark. Dancing members of audiences always said they really had great difficulty telling the sighted from the V.I. dancers - what greater compliment could there be than that? After eighteen years, June had to give it up owing to failing health, and although the group still dance (under the new title of "Confidance") there will, I feel sure, be no more demonstrations, alas. June has written a full account of Blind Dance for the web site, but I don't know whether it is up yet. I will find out and post accordingly. There is an interesting account of Blind Dance visits to the Ballet by June MacKay at the following url: www.rnib.org.uk/xpedio/groups/public/documents/ visugate/public_nbmay99.hcsp Nicolas B., Lanark, Scotland http://www.nicolasbroadbridge.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 00:51:54 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 00:51:45 -0800 (PST) From: Andy Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: experience integrating a blind dancer? To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20031213085145.96141.qmail-AT-web20025.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --- Marge Cramton wrote: > I'm wondering whether any groups have had any experience > integrating a blind dancer into regular mixed-level ECD events? > I'd like to hear about specific techniques that people have tried > and what their results were. > > - Has anyone tried using volunteers to guide the dancer (making, > in effect, a 3-person "couple")? > - Would you preselect easier dances to start with? (meaning the > leader would have to announce each dance before people lined up, > and the vision-impaired dancer wouldn't be able to dance every > dance, at least at the start) > - Would you assume the leaders would need advance notice to > accommodate this person? > - Would you have the leaders instruct the other dancers in any > specific ways of helping? > - Any other suggestions? My experience has been in Contra settings, rather than ECD. In both cases I can recall, the person already had done some dancing. There was a woman, a banjo player, I can't remember her name, but I'm sure many long time New England dancers knew her, who used to come to Brattleboro Dawn Dances and to NEFFA. This woman had good orientation on the dance floor, and I don't remember her really running into trouble. We used to have a woman in Hartford, who I think moved to the Midwest, who had somewhat less orientation, and would occasionally stand there lost until someone guided her in the right direction. People were generally very good about helping without being overbearing. When I was running a dance series in Granby CT years ago, one of the early callers, Sarah Smith, was blind. Her husband played in the band and if she really got into trouble he could help her, but she did a very good job of getting people moving and keeping the flow going. I talked to her one time about it, and she told me that she could usually tell if there was a problem during a walk through becuase there would be more noise around that part of the floor. The only other time I remember dancing to her calling was in Chappaqua NY. She also was very well oriented while dancing. I don't know who of these may have danced before losing their sight. Andy in Portand OR __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 04:04:56 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 12:00:17 +0000 From: Michael Barraclough Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: CDBs To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <000901c3c170$afb860e0$0500a8c0-AT-ntworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT EP certainly claimed copyright. Whether they could enforce that in a court of law is of course another matter! Michael Barraclough http://www.mab.tgis.co.uk I've stopped 6,108 spam messages. You can too! One month FREE spam protection at http://www.cloudmark.com/spamnetsig/} -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [mailto:owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of SallenNic-AT-AOL.COM Sent: 13 December 2003 00:30 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: CDBs In a message dated 12/12/03 3:05:33 pm, Mike Barraclough writes: << They were reprinted in 1976 by EP Publishing Ltd with copyright claimed again. >> And after that were taken over by Harry Styles, who printed them till he retired a couple of years ago. However, as they were not in any way reset either by EP or Harry Styles, I doubt very much whether a fresh copyright could be claimed. Nicolas B., Lanark, Scotland http://www.nicolasbroadbridge.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 06:01:23 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 08:59:24 -0500 From: Carl Friedman Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: experience integrating a blind dancer? To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <8F2155B4-2D74-11D8-BEA1-000393C225F4-AT-alumni.williams.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT One more word about Sarah... She also does quite well with rapper (in a dance camp week setting), only occasionally requiring verbal cues, such as everyone calling out their number as they come through in "figure 8". Carl Friedman On Saturday, December 13, 2003, at 03:51 AM, Andy Peterson wrote: > > When I was running a dance series in Granby CT years ago, one of the > early callers, Sarah Smith, was blind. Her husband played in the band > and if she really got into trouble he could help her, but she did a > very good job of getting people moving and keeping the flow going. I > talked to her one time about it, and she told me that she could > usually tell if there was a problem during a walk through becuase > there would be more noise around that part of the floor. The only > other time I remember dancing to her calling was in Chappaqua NY. She > also was very well oriented while dancing. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 09:57:29 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 12:52:29 -0500 From: franch-AT-juno.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: experience integrating a blind dancer? To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20031213.125248.-243443.2.franch-AT-juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT We've gotten a variety of comments on this topic. What I take from the discussion--and what I'd like to add to it--is this: 1. The category of "a blind dancer" is just that--*a* blind dancer, emphasizing the individual. There are degrees of visual impairment, personal history (or lack thereof) as a sighted person, and ability to orient to surroundings. Blind individuals also differ in their willingness to identify their blindness on the dance floor. For example, a blind friend who sometimes dances in Baltimore puts her cane out of the way and goes to the dance floor. She does not announce she's blind and one might not be able to tell at first. (She mostly dances contra because she does better with the almost constant hand contact.) On the other hand, I've seen a woman at our contra dances wearing a T-shirt identifying her as a low vision or blind dancer. These folks have made their individual choices. It's important to find out from the individual what degree of special help or acknowledgement they want. 2. A blind dancer represents just one of the teaching challenges a dance leader faces, different in degree but not necessarily in kind from the sighted klutz. Teaching needs to be appropriate, with special adjustments to fit the person who needs them, in consultation with that individual if appropriate. One of the things I've liked about the communities I've danced in is that they have been open and welcoming to those who are eager to dance but have a physical, cognitive, or personality limitation. This creates some difficulties at times, but I, at least, take great joy in this kind of community. Mike Franch Baltimore ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 10:22:50 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 10:22:44 -0800 From: Janet Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Help To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <000701c3c1a6$1a6a93b0$b4b76544-AT-CX980032A> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I am looking for the instructions to an ECD called Long Live London. Can anyone help me out? Thanks Janet ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 10:42:39 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 13:42:27 -0500 From: Torbin Zimmerman Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Help To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <19ACDCBC-2D9C-11D8-BA5F-000393ADEE78-AT-cogeco.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_H9ifNGCoU1bQiyMNH886/w)" --Boundary_(ID_H9ifNGCoU1bQiyMNH886/w) Content-type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT From the North Bay Country Dance Society Mad Robin Ball website (http://home.earthlink.net/~lupinus/mr/MRB2/program.html): "Long Live London Sicilian circle Pat Shaw, 1986; Pat Shaw Collection Book 2 A1 “Right-Right Circular Hey”: all with opposite cross passing by R, then turn back on partner and back up, passing partner by R; repeat passing opposite then partner by R to original place. A2 “Double Gypsy”: women change places passing L-shoulder, loop L and return passing L while (immediately after women start) men change places passing R-shoulder, loop R and return passing R; all swing neighbor, and end facing partner. B Ladies chain 1/2; with women in the lead R-hands across as follows: women begin a R-hand turn men fall in behind partner and all R-hands across once around; with new couple L-hands across once around. All set and turn single." Happy dancing, Torbin Zimmerman On Saturday, December 13, 2003, at 01:22 PM, Janet wrote: > I am looking for the instructions to an ECD called Long Live London. > Can > anyone help me out? > Thanks > Janet > > --Boundary_(ID_H9ifNGCoU1bQiyMNH886/w) Content-type: text/enriched; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT ArialFrom the North Bay Country Dance Society 0000,0000,FFFFMad Robin Ball0000,0000,0000 website (http://home.earthlink.net/~lupinus/mr/MRB2/program.html): "Long Live London Sicilian circle Pat Shaw, 1986; Pat Shaw Collection Book 2 A1 “Right-Right Circular Hey”: all with opposite cross passing by R, then turn back on partner and back up, passing partner by R; repeat passing opposite then partner by R to original place. A2 “Double Gypsy”: women change places passing L-shoulder, loop L and return passing L while (immediately after women start) men change places passing R-shoulder, loop R and return passing R; all swing neighbor, and end facing partner. B Ladies chain 1/2; with women in the lead R-hands across as follows: women begin a R-hand turn men fall in behind partner and all R-hands across once around; with new couple L-hands across once around. All set and turn single." Happy dancing, Torbin Zimmerman On Saturday, December 13, 2003, at 01:22 PM, Janet wrote: I am looking for the instructions to an ECD called Long Live London. Can anyone help me out? Thanks Janet --Boundary_(ID_H9ifNGCoU1bQiyMNH886/w)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 10:43:27 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 13:43:21 -0500 From: Louis Vosteen Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Workshop & Ball To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <39CC723A-2D9C-11D8-B30F-0003936D91D2-AT-cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT The Williamsburg (Virginia) Heritage Dancers are pleased to announce two upcoming events. An English Country Dance workshop featuring George Fogg of Boston will be held on January 24, 2004. Cost for the afternoon and evening sessions is $7.50 per session. Advance registration is not required. The 2004 George Washington Ball will be held in the University Center at The College of William and Mary on March 6, 2004. Because of space constraints, attendance will be limited to the first 200 applicants. For additional information on either of these events, email to ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 11:15:41 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 11:15:36 -0800 (PST) From: Graham Christian Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: "Help" messages To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20031213191536.9280.qmail-AT-web20609.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I wanted to ask list members to consider how their outgoing messages will look to recepients. I don't mean in any way to point fingers about an inadvertent "error," but seeing a message from a sender identified only by first name, with only the single word "Help" in the subject header, caused *me* to mark the message as spam. This is exactly the sort of note that comes from Burkina Faso, requesting a check of $20--or promises better mortgage rates or a better anatomy--or, worse yet, carries a computer virus. If I don't have a pretty good idea of the source of a message, I won't open it--and, moreover, malefactors *rely* on innocent users to say, "Why yes, *I* want to enlarge my toes!"--often with regrettable results. So, please--if you want to preserve some anonymity or pseudonymity, fine--but *please* give us clear subject headers. "Help with a dance" would have been sufficient to keep me from marking that message as spam. ===== Graham Christian "They love dance well that will dance among thorns." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 15:03:44 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 17:54:57 -0500 From: "Linda M. Nelson" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Help finding dance sources To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <000701c3c1a6$1a6a93b0$b4b76544-AT-CX980032A> >I am looking for the instructions to an ECD called Long Live London. Can >anyone help me out? For Janet and others, this English country dance database is a valuable "where will i find...?" reference: http://ban.joh.cam.ac.uk/~abs21/dance.html If you then find that you don't have the source book or resource (or nobody you know has it), someone on the list can no doubt help. Saves time, and is a marvelous resource! Cheers - Linda (curmudgeon-in-training) Nelson -- __________________________________________________ "Oh, yes. It's vital to remember who you really are. It's very important. It isn't a good idea to rely on other people or things to do it for you, you see. They always get it wrong." (Terry Pratchett - from "Sourcery") __________________________________________________ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 15:38:42 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 18:38:24 -0500 (EST) From: SallenNic-AT-aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Blind Dance To: ecd-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <85.1423d4c.2d0cfcf0-AT-aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT The following from "the horse's mouth, pursuant to my posting yesterday: This is really a reply to Marge Cramton, and the final sentence offer is directed at her. However, I'm sure June would be happy to correspond with anyone who is keen to follow the subject further. I thought that the message might be of general interest; hence my forwarding it here. At the risk of repeating what Nicolas has said: I taught a mixed group of blind and visually impaired adults for 17 years. We did a mix of Early Dance - everything from Farandoles and Estampies to Cotillions and Quadrilles; English C.D., Scottish C.D., and International folk. We worked with one sighted helper to each ViP, and started with circle dances and line dances, gradually building up confidence in the blind to move off alone on the dance floor. Needless to say it was some years before we tackled cotillions and quadrilles, and only the most able were capable of coping with these anyway, or with the more complex C.Ds ! In some cases they would have been capable had it not been for symptoms of their poor sight which rendered them dizzy (for example) when they moved quickly. The helpers needed to be very efficient dancers themselves, able to assimilate new dances quickly and give all their attention to their partner's needs. In other words, the better the helpers, the more proficient the blind can become. In 1999 I read a paper on Education and Early Dance at a Conference organised by the Early Dance Circle and held at the Royal Society of Arts in London. This outlined the history of my group and was illustrated with nine video excerpts showing their gradual progress and improvement over the years. You might perhaps find some useful pointers within this. Can't do much about the videos, alas. Let me know if you would like me to send it. Cheers June McKay (junella-AT-creativemail.co.uk) Nicolas B., Lanark, Scotland http://www.nicolasbroadbridge.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 17:23:30 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 20:25:33 -0500 From: jbgrun Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: "Help" messages To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Graham Christian > If I don't have a pretty good idea of the > source of a message, I won't open it--and, moreover, > malefactors *rely* on innocent users to say, "Why yes, > *I* want to enlarge my toes!"--often with regrettable > results. I agree, absolutely!! Judy Grunberg ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 09:39:53 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 18:39:41 +0100 (CET) From: paul elele Subject: [SPAM:#] DETAILS GODS WILL To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <24919550.1071423581210.JavaMail.www-AT-wwinf3005> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_nL4gaLs566Yoc7+kcJtc0g)" --Boundary_(ID_nL4gaLs566Yoc7+kcJtc0g) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Dear beloved in Christ Greetings to you in Jesus Mighty Name I praise and thank our living God for this great acquaintance and fellowship He has given me in knowing you. All Glory and Honor belongs to our Lord Jesus alone. I am very delighted to receive your assurance response; sincerely speaking I am well pleased and okay with your explanation. 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Dear beloved in Christ
Greetings to you in Jesus Mighty Name <= BR>I praise and thank our living God for this great acquaintance and = fellowship He has given me in knowing you. All Glory and Honor belong= s to our Lord Jesus alone.
I am very delighted to receive your ass= urance response; sincerely speaking I am well pleased and okay with y= our explanation. ROMANS 8:28 says that all things work together for g= ood to them that love God, to them who are the called according to hi= s purpose.
Dear beloved in Christ, I sense very strongly in my sp= irit that God has brought us together for His purposes. He has a dest= iny prepared for us, that is why we are got up in this divine connect= ion. God has spoke so much on this scripture to me in 1 Chronicles 4:= 9 -10, please read and also pray this simple pray every day. We can e= xperience living beyond our limits through this simple prayer.
An= yway, as you should be aware that the mission and our desire can not = be accomplished until when the fund might have being received by you = through their affiliated security company in amsterdam, hence the nee= d for me to immediately start the necessary procedure / enquiry today= at the security company over here in my country in order to follow t= he right protocol that will suit the purpose of this transaction.
= However as I promised before, I went to the security company today fo= r the procedure enquiry on how the consignment (the money) will be re= ceived by you from their affilaited security company in amsterdam, th= en they gave me two CONSIGNEE FORMS to fill in some necessary informa= tion base on their delivery procedure / requirement, and I was also i= nformed by the security company, that their affiliated security compa= ny in amsterdam have 2 options of delivering goods / consignment to t= he recipients for the conveniences of their customers.
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= Therefore, I would have fill and submit the CONSIGNEE FORMS to the se= curity company today for the conclusion of the consignment's receiver= documentation process, which will enable you have my legal autority = to receive the consignment from their affiliated security company in = amsterdam, but I will like to know your thought / your choice option = first, regarding the above mentioned two options which the consignmen= t will be received by you in accordance with what the security compan= y told me, so that I will know exactly what to fill into the CONSIGNE= E FORMS before submiting it to the security company.
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Finally, I will be waiting for your prompt response. PRO= VERBS 12:11 says Hard work means prosperity, only a fool idles away h= is time.
May the Lord bless and bring to fulfillment the desire of= your heart to serve Him!
Grace be with all them that love our Lo= rd Jesus Christ in sincerity Ephesians 6:24

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www.freeserve.com/anytime --Boundary_(ID_nL4gaLs566Yoc7+kcJtc0g)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 06:06:32 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:07:06 -0500 From: "Michael J. O'Connor" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Possible Solution for Perpetual Beginners, from today's NY Times's "Patents" column To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <007d01c3c314$ba25af60$60e17ad1-AT-oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="Boundary_(ID_YqAGYEWokyYYtdZywimQyw)"; type="multipart/alternative" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_YqAGYEWokyYYtdZywimQyw) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_mEt6Tjo4HtGHv4zvyaC9eg)" --Boundary_(ID_mEt6Tjo4HtGHv4zvyaC9eg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT s always, the holiday season sets off a mad scramble for new gift ideas. Who knows? Even some of the more bizarre of the last year's patents might one day evolve into real products that can be tied up with a bow. If your friends have two left feet, this pair of slippers can give a whole new meaning to "Gotta Dance!'' "The shoe, preferably a soft shoe such as a slipper, is designed to emit audio and physical stimuli that assist the user in learning dance or other steps," writes Min Joo Lee, from Seoul, South Korea, in the patent. Each slipper has a small electronic control circuit that can create an electric signal. That signal tells the wearer which "part of the body must be used to dance." The patent says the signal can also come from music playing through a small speaker in the shoe. And the left foot knows what the right is doing, so that "the beats are synchronized," it adds. Thus, "the foot which is doing the dancing is stimulated directly.'' "Such stimulation may be to one foot or to both feet," it says. The slippers are synchronized to each other by infrared signal or other means. The inventor adds that "the shoe may be programmed to teach fencing steps or soccer dribbling.'' "In such a case sensors for sensing a soccer ball would also be useful," the inventor says. It received patent No. 6,315,571. View patents at www.uspto.gov, or order by patent number, for $3, from the Patent and Trademark Office, Washington, D.C. 20231. Link to the entire article: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/15/technology/15patent.html?ex=1072496861&ei=1&en=d5ec158d76adb1be --Boundary_(ID_mEt6Tjo4HtGHv4zvyaC9eg) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

As always, the holiday season sets off a mad scramble for new gift ideas. Who knows? Even some of the more bizarre of the last year's patents might one day evolve into real products that can be tied up with a bow.

If your friends have two left feet, this pair of slippers can give a whole new meaning to "Gotta Dance!''

"The shoe, preferably a soft shoe such as a slipper, is designed to emit audio and physical stimuli that assist the user in learning dance or other steps," writes Min Joo Lee, from Seoul, South Korea, in the patent. Each slipper has a small electronic control circuit that can create an electric signal. That signal tells the wearer which "part of the body must be used to dance."

The patent says the signal can also come from music playing through a small speaker in the shoe. And the left foot knows what the right is doing, so that "the beats are synchronized," it adds. Thus, "the foot which is doing the dancing is stimulated directly.''

"Such stimulation may be to one foot or to both feet," it says. The slippers are synchronized to each other by infrared signal or other means.

The inventor adds that "the shoe may be programmed to teach fencing steps or soccer dribbling.''

"In such a case sensors for sensing a soccer ball would also be useful," the inventor says.

It received patent No. 6,315,571.

View patents at www.uspto.gov, or order by patent number,
for $3, from the Patent and Trademark Office, Washington,
D.C. 20231.

Link to the entire article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/15/technology/15patent.html?ex=1072496861&ei=1&en=d5ec158d76adb1be

--Boundary_(ID_mEt6Tjo4HtGHv4zvyaC9eg)-- --Boundary_(ID_YqAGYEWokyYYtdZywimQyw) Content-type: image/gif; name=a.gif Content-transfer-encoding: BASE64 Content-disposition: attachment; filename=a.gif R0lGODlhIQAhAMQAAP/////v7/fe3u/Ozu+9veetrd6cnN6MjNaEhM5zc85jY8ZS Ur1CQr0xMbUhIa0QEK0AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAAhACEAQAXSICCO5AKdKGqQbEsG6Tk8 8eneSF2QTg0pN1HPRyQOgsikklc8LZakQo0goumUpmbT4RL4jsGcL6GUNgNQ1iFm ja3SgCzqua4BoUMUY2TwPZReMQ0sfT47N2ZaTWQtYil7NzA+XCV2Sm0xYEiYMU9w JAlab58DihBonw0xCj6eaYUof3Iph1CcCAClNX9QoTEjrJZKuim4IoFXSXkoqCLB bEmwsQzU1Ko+dzemTZosz9s1lCzEj9XmDNc1jCTpKAdI7Snd0ie8QeQp4pJuSt/F IiEAADs= --Boundary_(ID_YqAGYEWokyYYtdZywimQyw)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:22:24 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:22:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:19:04 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: recent UCE on the list Resent-To: ecd-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ecd-request-AT-SLAC.Stanford.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Resent-Message-ID: <01L485PADZLU9EO37G-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> Message-ID: <01L485OOZPI29EO37G-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT ECD subscribers -- I apologize for the sudden appearance of a con-game type message on the list. The list isset up so that you must be a subscriber to be able to post; this has largely kept us safe from bulk email marketing, confidence tricks, etc. This guy actually subscribed. (Usually they don't manage to do that because they're posting from forged email addresses and the 'you have successfully subscribed' messages bounce back.) I've unsubscribed him. I hope this remains an isolated - indeed, a unique - incident. -- Alan -- =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:26:51 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:22:08 -0500 From: sol weber Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: shoe thought To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20031215.172518.-47154081.2.solweber-AT-juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:07:06 -0500 > From: "Michael J. O'Connor" > Subject: Possible Solution for Perpetual Beginners, from today's NY > Times's Re Mike's item about fanciful dance related shoe invention ideas, an actually *useful* invention would be some simple method of protecting dance shoes when it becomes necessary to briefly leave the dance floor for a trip outdoors (or to a damp indoor area). If not an invention, perhaps some simple makeshift idea using commonly available materials. Anyone? Sol Sol "Roundman" Weber --- "So many rounds, so little time" 25-14 37 St, Astoria NY 11103, 718-278-4389 (after 11am) SINGERS & musicians, contact me for info on books, albums, & misc. fun items. solweber-AT-juno.com; http://roundz.tripod.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:55:54 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:54:08 -0500 From: Deb Karl Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: shoe thought To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3FDE3B90.9958A5C6-AT-wi.mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <20031215.172518.-47154081.2.solweber-AT-juno.com> socks? (not good for damp areas) plastic bags? overboots? ("rubbers") plastic bags would be readily available.... sol weber wrote: > Re Mike's item about fanciful dance related shoe invention ideas, > an actually *useful* invention would be some simple method of > protecting dance shoes when it becomes necessary to briefly > leave the dance floor for a trip outdoors (or to a damp indoor > area). If not an invention, perhaps some simple makeshift idea > using commonly available materials. Anyone? > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 15:14:14 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 15:13:26 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: shoe thought To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01L489M2UI9K9EYXN9-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > > Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:07:06 -0500 > > From: "Michael J. O'Connor" > > Subject: Possible Solution for Perpetual Beginners, from today's NY > > Times's > Re Mike's item about fanciful dance related shoe invention ideas, > an actually *useful* invention would be some simple method of > protecting dance shoes when it becomes necessary to briefly > leave the dance floor for a trip outdoors (or to a damp indoor > area). If not an invention, perhaps some simple makeshift idea > using commonly available materials. Anyone? Rubbers? -- Alan -- =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 15:23:18 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:21:51 -0600 From: Paul Stamler Subject: Re: recent UCE on the list To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <002701c3c362$392f0520$0c914a0c-AT-paulstam> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <01L485OOZPI29EO37G-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing <> Meanwhile, speaking as a connoisseur of these things, I have to say that this was a more-creative-than-usual version. Peace, Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:39:32 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:39:16 -0500 From: Dfhart24-AT-aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: shoe thought To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <5C3228E8.25C344B2.006F880F-AT-aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I have a pair of too large sneakers with velcro tabs which I slide into. I also have a pair of velcro tab sandals that will accomodate dance slippers/ghillies. I suppose this works better for delicate women's shoes than for men's. Deborah In a message dated 12/15/2003 6:13:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, winston-AT-SLAC.Stanford.EDU writes: > > Re Mike's item about fanciful dance related shoe invention ideas, > > an actually *useful* invention would be some simple method of > > protecting dance shoes when it becomes necessary to briefly > > leave the dance floor for a trip outdoors (or to a damp > indoor > > area). ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:26:49 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 21:20:35 -0500 From: Michael Bergman Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: shoe thought To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <5C3228E8.25C344B2.006F880F-AT-aol.com> There is a traditional russian FELT overshoe used in reverse -- you put them on over your boots when you come *into* the house. Here are a couple of sites with similar items. http://www.newlandplanfran.citymax.com/page/page/775414.htm http://jlcoombs.safeshopper.com/106/787.htm?22 http://www.4giftgiving.com/products/babouches/felt_overshoes.htm and by far the most interesting: http://www.huopaliikelahtinen.fi/main.htm (don't worry, they have an english version) -- --Mike Bergman "Of course he has a website. We *all* have websites. It's the dawn of the 21st century, and we're all barbarians!" ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:13:48 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:12:45 -0600 From: Charlotte Bristow Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Pete Torpey at Pinewoods To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU, focusrsh-AT-arn.net Message-ID: <3FDE863D.70302-AT-arn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Everybody, I loved reading the stories people sent in about dancing with people who have visual impairments. My husband (Carl Dreher) and Peter Torpey were roommates during grad school. They went to Pinewoods together back in the 1980s, which is where I first met them both. I knew Pete would be interested in the discussion. Judy and Diane said such nice things about Pete, so I forwarded excerpts to him. His reply appears below. Best Wishes, Charlotte Bristow Thanks for sending along the attachment of mail-notes from the listserve.There were some very interesting comments. I thought it was nice to see how open-minded and accommodating the dance crowd seems to be - traits that certainly made it possible for me to enjoy those days as much as I did. I can remember the first dances that some of my friends dragged me through down in Charlottesville - I was very reticent at first, but everyone was very patient and encouraging. Also, I could really resonate with many of the comments which I have also found useful for me: - dances with touching of hands once in a while make it easier - especially after swinging (as well as other moves) the music coming front the front of the hall is almost essential for orientation - another thing that makes it easier for a blind person is to dance with experienced dancers (rather than novices). The experienced dancers are always in their correct positions, AT THE CORRECT TIME, and can often give a verbal or tactile "nudge" if one is needed - an occasional word from the blind person's dance partner also can keep one on track. I used to dance with a person who gave hints of where she was with her shoes - an occasional "stamp" when it was important to know her exact position - ...and of course, as Richard Savaine noted, not all blind dancers are totally blind. Many have at least some light perception. Thus, orienting on the lights in the hall can help, Nancy always took care to wear dresses with lots of contrast to the halls, etc. - one thing that always made me reticent as a blind dancer was a hall with poles or columns in it - They hurt! Stay away. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:02:05 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 07:01:53 +0000 From: catiegeist-AT-att.net Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: shoe thought To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <121620030701.11733.27d0-AT-att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT The Scottish highland dancers at many of the highland games that I have attended in the USA slip their ghillie-clad feet into wooden clogs and tromp around in the grass and dirt on the field in between the highland dance competition sessions. I have also seen Scottish Country Dancers put their ghillie-clad feet into TEVA-type sandals to get from their cars to the dance hall or the platform at the highland games. Others slip their dance shoes into rubber sandals with one big strap going over the top of the foot. Catie Condran Geist Palm Bay, Florida ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 05:25:33 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 05:25:22 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Vincent Subject: Re: shoe thought To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <20031216132522.42924.qmail-AT-web12201.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT How about sedans carried by disgraced CEOs, actors, rock stars and athletes? :) --- sol weber wrote: > > Re Mike's item about fanciful dance related shoe > invention ideas, > an actually *useful* invention would be some simple > method of > protecting dance shoes when it becomes necessary to > briefly > leave the dance floor for a trip outdoors (or to a > damp indoor > area). If not an invention, perhaps some simple > makeshift idea > using commonly available materials. Anyone? > > Sol ===== Tom Vincent I looked up the definition of 'liberal' in a Random House dictionary. It gave the synonyms for 'liberal' as 'progressive', 'broad-minded', 'unprejudiced', 'beneficent'. The antonyms it offered: 'reactionary' and 'intolerant'. -- Walter Cronkite www.deanforamerica.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 07:26:47 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:26:31 -0500 From: DavBarnert-AT-aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: shoe thought To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <7F1668BB.524476C0.0ACF18CD-AT-aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT From Sol- >...an actually *useful* invention would be some simple method >of protecting dance shoes when it becomes necessary to briefly >leave the dance floor for a trip outdoors (or to a damp >indoor area). If not an invention, perhaps some simple >makeshift idea using commonly available materials. Anyone? Paper booties? Available in surgical supply stores in boxes of hundreds. I wear them at work all the time, but never anywhere else. David Barnert Albany NY ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 07:36:17 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 07:44:55 -0800 From: David & Barbara Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: arrangements for english Dance music To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3FDF2876.CBD8A5B7-AT-mcn.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <121620030701.11733.27d0-AT-att.net> Hello ECD list! This is my first posting, and I would like to say thanks for all the interesting and informative messages on this mailing list. I have been playing ECD music recently with some friends in the Mendocino area, and have had the opportunity to try a bit of arranging, adding a 2nd part and active bass part to some of the dance tunes. I've been trying to write these parts in the style of the late Baroque and early Classical period. I was wondering is anyone else has been doing this sort of thing? Also, as someone much better trained in music than dance I was hoping to get some input from the dancers as to what makes them enjoy a dance more. I would also be interested in discussing the approaches to ornametation and improvisation while playing ECD melodies. Thanks! David Brown ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 07:37:56 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:40:00 -0500 From: jbgrun Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Pete Torpey at Pinewoods To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Charlotte Bristow > I loved reading the stories people sent in about dancing with people who > have visual impairments. My husband (Carl Dreher) and Peter Torpey were > roommates during grad school. They went to Pinewoods together back in the > 1980s, which is where I first met them both. I knew Pete would be > interested in the discussion. Charlotte, you've really brought back those wonderful'80's Pinewoods days!!! I also remember your husband Carl very well: in addition to being an engineer, wasn't he a master magician? I remember the year that the 3 of us living at Pine Needles threw a party & Carl blew us all away with his literally incredible sleight-of-hand! And say hello to Pete for me--he was one of my favorite dance partners. Our first dance together ironically turned out to be Shaw's John Tallis's Cannon, where, you rarely dance with your partner--hardly an ideal vehicle for someone with sight problems--but Peter did extraordinarily well! Judy Grunberg ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:34:14 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:32:39 -0600 From: Paul Stamler Subject: Re: arrangements for english Dance music To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <001b01c3c3f2$3f78f720$538f4a0c-AT-paulstam> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <121620030701.11733.27d0-AT-att.net> <3FDF2876.CBD8A5B7-AT-mcn.org> ----- Original Message ----- From: David & Barbara <> Welcome aboard, and glad you're joining us! Marshall Barron has done quite a few settings of ECD tunes. << Also, as someone much better trained in music than dance I was hoping to get some input from the dancers as to what makes them enjoy a dance more.>> Something that will really help you is to get off the bandstand once or twice in an evening and do a dance or two. Getting that kinesthetic sense into your muscles can really illuminate your playing. <> Can't help much on ornamentation, as I'm primarily a rhythm player, but no doubt the melody folks will chime in. In our band, though, one of the important means of variation is texture changes -- our recorder player might switch from soprano to tenor, the flautist will drop in and out, I'll switch from loud to soft to choked on the guitar, etc.. Once you've been playing together for a while, you find the whole band taking these corners together, which gets to be really neat. Peace, Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:08:27 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:10:29 -0500 From: jbgrun Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Pete Torpey at Pinewoods To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT jbgrun > Our first dance together ironically > turned out to be Shaw's John Tallis's Cannon, Oops! Just read my recent post--maybe the version of the *canon* that we did had some extra-musical sound-effects added! JG ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:24:04 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:19:25 -0600 From: Paul Stamler Subject: Re: Pete Torpey at Pinewoods To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <005d01c3c3f8$c30e35e0$538f4a0c-AT-paulstam> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: ----- Original Message ----- From: jbgrun > Our first dance together ironically > turned out to be Shaw's John Tallis's Cannon, <> Music: 1812 Overture. Peace, Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:30:42 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:28:25 -0500 From: "Emily L. Ferguson" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Pete Torpey at Pinewoods To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <005d01c3c3f8$c30e35e0$538f4a0c-AT-paulstam> At 11:19 AM -0600 12/16/03, Paul Stamler wrote: >Music: 1812 Overture. Imagining the 1812 overture in jig time. Hm mm.. Hey, Mr. Barnes! Forget you heard that. -- Emily L. Ferguson mailto:elf-AT-cape.com 508-563-6822 New England landscapes, wooden boats and races, press photography http://www.vsu.cape.com/~elf ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:58:03 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:57:47 -0500 From: Campbell Kaynor Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: arrangements for English Dance music To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Welcome to the list! Me too (arranging the music). I am glad to hear there are others who pay any attention to period appropriateness. I lead "Playford" dances and I endeavor to play music that is baroque in style. I find this facilitates the dancing and enhances the charm (at least as far as my tastes have developed). Since all of my dances are open to sit-in musicians, there are always many who have limited experience with baroque music. Even amongst the old hands, it is rare to find someone who is adept at the improvisation techniques of the period (and especially hard to find one that also likes to play for long stretches of dancing) so I have taken to making arrangements for ensembles that the musicians can read off the page. (I also prescribe a heavy dose of listening to Purcell, tunes from the Fitzwilliam Virginal book, etc...) After they get familiar with the idioms of contrapuntal music they begin to branch out on their own with more appropriate harmonies and bass lines. The one additional thing I do is to educate the musicians in the choreography. Every page of sheet music includes the dance instructions (which are pretty easy to add into the abc files so they are printed along with the sheet music). A few additional thoughts on "how:" In most cases, I feel the Playford dances were written to go with the melody. It is my opinion that any added parts should either be subservient to the melody (i.e., in no way interfere with it's ability to portray the choreography) or should be equally indicative of the movements required of the dancers. I often try the dance with only the harmony to make sure it adds to, rather than detracts from, the clarity the dancers have in doing their part. As far as ornamentation, I take cues from the early music that was in vogue just before the Playford collections were published and from recordings of scholarly renditions of the popular music of the period. Since the instruments of the period lacked a broad dynamic range (if they had any) or were clumsy to manage like the stops on the harpsichord, a large ensemble with instruments of varied volume may wish to work on arranging who plays when to take advantage of this diversity. I am fortunate to have more than a string quartet in my family, so I have taken to writing parts suited to the abilities of each of my children. By chance, these parts (of varied technical difficulty) proved useful for the sit-ins at the dances. Many of them are unable to play even the melody right off, but they found if they played the "Violin 3" part, they could still contribute to the sound of the band and as they improved they would move to Violin 2 or Violin 1. Some of the more experienced musicians who might be a little bored can try their luck reading alto or bass clef. Best of Luck and have fun, Cammy Kaynor David & Barbara To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Sent by: cc: owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.s Subject: arrangements for english Dance music tanford.edu 16-Dec-2003 10:44 AM Please respond to ECD Hello ECD list! This is my first posting, and I would like to say thanks for all the interesting and informative messages on this mailing list. I have been playing ECD music recently with some friends in the Mendocino area, and have had the opportunity to try a bit of arranging, adding a 2nd part and active bass part to some of the dance tunes. I've been trying to write these parts in the style of the late Baroque and early Classical period. I was wondering is anyone else has been doing this sort of thing? Also, as someone much better trained in music than dance I was hoping to get some input from the dancers as to what makes them enjoy a dance more. I would also be interested in discussing the approaches to ornametation and improvisation while playing ECD melodies. Thanks! David Brown ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:34:44 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:34:36 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Pearl Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Shoe Thoughts To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20031216193436.67482.qmail-AT-web60402.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Shower Caps with elastic brims. VERY compact. "FREE!" from the toiletries at hotels. If you need something more robust to stand up to urban streets, maybe a heavier duty cap would do the job. Or rubbers. I like that idea! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:38:07 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:37:56 -0800 (PST) From: Country Dancers of Westchester Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Experienced Dance Event Saturday, 20 December To: ECD List Message-ID: <20031216213756.2761.qmail-AT-web12206.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT The annual CDW dance for experienced dancers is led this year by Helena Cornelius with The Flying Romanos [Robin Russell, Marnen Laibow-Koser, and Norma Castle] is from 8 - 11pm, Saturday 20 December. Full information about the event and other CDW doings are available at its website: http://www.geocities.com/cdwestchester/ Bring refreshments to share at the break. ===== Carl E. Andersen, C.D.W. Herald * This information about Country Dancers of Westchester is sent to you because we believe you are interested in knowing about our activities. If you prefer not to receive future notices, please reply asking to be removed from our list of addressees. Know anyone who'd like to receive these notices? Send us their e-mail addresses! * __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:16:40 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:17:09 -0500 From: jbgrun Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Shoe Thoughts To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Dan Pearl > Shower Caps with elastic brims. VERY compact. "FREE!" from the > toiletries at hotels. For those with smallish feet, those little sets of bowl covers found in the market or dollar stores would probably be preferable. (They come in a variety of checks & patterns so you can coordinate with your gown or period costume.) ;-] Judy G ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:49:44 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:58:25 -0800 From: David & Barbara Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: arrangements for English Dance music To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3FDFB841.B21EF076-AT-mcn.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: Campbell Kaynor wrote: > Welcome to the list! Me too (arranging the music). I am glad to hear there > are others who pay any attention to period appropriateness. > I am less interested in the more modern styles of "session" playing than I am in the period approach, so it has led me in that direction. > > I lead "Playford" dances and I endeavor to play music that is baroque in > style. I tend to be based in Baroque style but add bits of Renaissance and Early Classical influences as dictated by the music. > Even amongst the old hands, it is rare to find someone who > is adept at the improvisation techniques of the period (and especially hard > to find one that also likes to play for long stretches of dancing) so I > have taken to making arrangements for ensembles that the musicians can read > off the page. (I also prescribe a heavy dose of listening to Purcell, tunes > from the Fitzwilliam Virginal book, etc...) I know! I come form a jazz and a classical background, and have played a good deal of "early music" and grew familiar with playing divisions and such. This skill is less known among most folk players than I would have thought. > > > The one additional thing I do is to educate the musicians in the > choreography. One of the things that appeals to me is that the tunes are dance specific. > A few additional thoughts on "how:" > In most cases, I feel the Playford dances were written to go with the > melody. It is my opinion that any added parts should either be subservient > to the melody (i.e., in no way interfere with it's ability to portray the > choreography) or should be equally indicative of the movements required of > the dancers. I seem to be going that way. What I tended to do was add a second part that was mostly inharmony with the melody, but with tasty bits of imitation and such at the right times, then add a bass line that was both suited to the dance rhythm and had some melodic interest and counterpoint. With our band, there are a number of rhythm instruments too, so more than a couple parts would be too much. Also not everyone is a great reader, so I kept it simple. BTW, my parts are pretty much in line with Playford's rules on writing counterpoint. > a large ensemble with instruments of varied volu