Archive-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 04:30:14 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 07:30:04 -0400 From: Susan Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Regency Dance Workshop NYC Sunday 9/7 To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU CC: susan-AT-generalist.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT (Regular monthly posting) Summary: New York City, Regency (1810's) dance workshop this Sunday. http://www.elegantarts.org/ Long version: For the New York City-accessible and historically curious, my first Sunday Regency dance workshop is this Sunday, September 7th, from 1:00 to 4:00 pm. The Regency Dance workshop is my regular monthly workshop on dances suitable for early nineteenth century (Regency, Jane Austen, Napoleonic Wars) England. This time we will be looking at quadrille figures (Pantalon, Poule, and Trenise) and steps, as well as the sauteuse (hop) waltz and the classic foursome reel with a variety of setting step combinations. No prior experience needed. The full calendar for (mostly) first Sunday Regency workshops is at: http://www.elegantarts.org/calendar03.html All material is taken directly from primary sources and reconstructed and taught by yours truly. If you have questions about it, email me directly. Cost: $15, or $10 for first-timers Shoes: flat shoes only, please. Heels are inappropriate. PLEASE RSVP to: meredith-AT-elegantarts.org - the number of people we are expecting affects how I prepare for the class! (But you can still show up if you don't RSVP.) Location: Hop, Swing, and a Jump, 132 Crosby Street #2 for directions, see our webpage, http://www.elegantarts.org/classprac.html/ For more information about the Elegant Arts Society, please see our website: http://www.elegantarts.org To receive these announcements directly, please email info-AT-elegantarts.org to be added to our mailing list. Susan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 10:54:26 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 17:54:12 +0000 From: Orly Krasner Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Wuthering Heights To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Dear Collective Wisdom: I have just finished reading _Wuthering Heights_. Toward the end, the following reference appears:"This is 'Fairy Annie's Wedding'--a bonny tune--it goes to a dance." It seems that the Oxford World's Classic edition has a footnote for positively everything, except the one reference that really interests me. Can anyone elucidate, expound, expostulate, or just plain old identify it? Thanks! --Orly Krasner (who is exceedingly grateful that the regular season is beginning again!) _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 12:10:37 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 14:10:36 -0500 From: Charlene Charette Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Wuthering Heights To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3F578E2C.8010705-AT-earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: Orly Krasner wrote: > Dear Collective Wisdom: > I have just finished reading _Wuthering Heights_. Toward the end, > the following reference appears:"This is 'Fairy Annie's Wedding'--a > bonny tune--it goes to a dance." > It seems that the Oxford World's Classic edition has a footnote for > positively everything, except the one reference that really interests > me. Can anyone elucidate, expound, expostulate, or just plain old > identify it? > Thanks! > --Orly Krasner (who is exceedingly grateful that the regular season is > beginning again!) I tried to Google it with no luck. I did find it interesting, though, that I got six hits to complete copies of Wuthering Heights available online for reading. --Charlene -- Don't use the name of the Lord in vain: Make sure whoever you're swearing at sees every gesture and hears every word. -- Raymond Lesser, 20 Things I Learned from God (or voices inside myhead, I'm not sure which, yet) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 13:48:19 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 20:48:04 +0000 From: Orly Krasner Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Wuthering Heights To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi, Charlene-- Google was the first place I tried, and had the same result. So, has anybody else out there come across this piece/dance? --Orly. _________________________________________________________________ Get 10MB of e-mail storage! Sign up for Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 07:48:48 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 10:54:25 -0400 From: Don Bell Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: BEGINNER ECD ONE NIGHT STANDS - 10 dances based on ECD Chesnuts To: ecD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <000101c3754f$ee657ac0$6401a8c0-AT-nycap.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT For anyone involved in teaching beginners, some of these easy dances may be useful. I put the dances up on my dance web site at: http://www.rpi.edu/~belld2/dances.htm Don Bell BEGINNER ECD ONE NIGHT STANDS - 10 dances based on ECD Chesnuts Doing beginner one night stands with ECD dances is a real challenge! Some might even go so far to say it’s a nightmare. There aren't a lot of good, simple ECD dances that one can use. As most ECD dances are longways formations, the caller/teacher and the dancers have to start by investing a lot of time in learning the longways formation, active and inactive roles, progression, basic longways vocabulary, standing out etc. If the dance is part of a series of lessons, then new dancers will tolerate this early learning handicap. However, in a one-night stand situation with mostly beginners, using a longways formation involves too much teaching and not enough immediate fun. If a dancer finds the first dance or two too tedious, they probably won’t stay for the remainder. I think the main idea in a beginner one night stand situation should be not so much to introduce new dancers to ‘real’ authentic English country dances as to give them the flavor and excitement of ECD dancing, hopefully resulting in such a positive experience that they will want to come back for more. I want new dancers to get a taste of good dances and good music without having to deal with movements and figures that are usually troublesome for beginners and take too long to teach. To achieve this objective, I adapted some ECD dances for a one night stand I did at Beaver Lake campground near Oneonta, August 2003. There were no experienced ‘dance angels’ to help us out - just me, the band and about a dozen dancers – a diverse assortment of campers including kids and some dance-challenged adults. These easy ECD dances were a life-saver for me on this occasion. Generally, the formula I evolved for developing these dances was to replace the longways formation with a 2 couple or Sicilian circle (couple facing couple in a big circle) and replace difficult movements for beginners (e.g. casting) with simpler ones. I added the word “Light” to the end of the dance title to distinguish the dance from the original version. Starting out with a couple of big circle dances (e.g. Newcastle Circle, Northdown Waltz Light) is always a good idea. A plus for these dances is that if you don't have a band to back you up, you can easily get good recordings of the dance tunes on CDs. Any comments or suggestions for improving the dances or teaching beginners are most welcome (dbell1-AT-nycap.rr.com) THE DANCES: NEWCASTLE CIRCLE NORTHDOWN WALTZ LIGHT FAREWELL MARIAN AGAIN JUICE OF BARLEY LIGHT HOLE IN THE WALL LIGHT DOVE’S FIGARY LIGHT SADLER’S WELLS LIGHT DUKE OF KENT’S WALTZ LIGHT DRAPER’S GARDENS LIGHT LILLIBURLERO LIGHT ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 08:50:41 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 12:48:16 -0300 From: John Wood Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [SPAM:#] BEGINNER ECD ONE NIGHT STANDS [2] To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <002801c37557$74a23d60$8492e018-AT-johnwood> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_2OJweJtIB99Bvx/SG6ejAA)" References: <000101c3754f$ee657ac0$6401a8c0-AT-nycap.rr.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_2OJweJtIB99Bvx/SG6ejAA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi, Don: I appreciate very much the trouble you took to do this, and I thank you for it. Will find it most useful when I occasionally get a beginner(s) in class to use one or two of your "Light" versions! Regards, John Bedford, Nova Scotia ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Bell To: ecD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 11:54 AM Subject: BEGINNER ECD ONE NIGHT STANDS - 10 dances based on ECD Chesnuts For anyone involved in teaching beginners, some of these easy dances may be useful. I put the dances up on my dance web site at: http://www.rpi.edu/~belld2/dances.htm Don Bell BEGINNER ECD ONE NIGHT STANDS - 10 dances based on ECD Chesnuts Doing beginner one night stands with ECD dances is a real challenge! Some might even go so far to say it's a nightmare. There aren't a lot of good, simple ECD dances that one can use. As most ECD dances are longways formations, the caller/teacher and the dancers have to start by investing a lot of time in learning the longways formation, active and inactive roles, progression, basic longways vocabulary, standing out etc. If the dance is part of a series of lessons, then new dancers will tolerate this early learning handicap. However, in a one-night stand situation with mostly beginners, using a longways formation involves too much teaching and not enough immediate fun. If a dancer finds the first dance or two too tedious, they probably won't stay for the remainder. I think the main idea in a beginner one night stand situation should be not so much to introduce new dancers to 'real' authentic English country dances as to give them the flavor and excitement of ECD dancing, hopefully resulting in such a positive experience that they will want to come back for more. I want new dancers to get a taste of good dances and good music without having to deal with movements and figures that are usually troublesome for beginners and take too long to teach. To achieve this objective, I adapted some ECD dances for a one night stand I did at Beaver Lake campground near Oneonta, August 2003. There were no experienced 'dance angels' to help us out - just me, the band and about a dozen dancers - a diverse assortment of campers including kids and some dance-challenged adults. These easy ECD dances were a life-saver for me on this occasion. Generally, the formula I evolved for developing these dances was to replace the longways formation with a 2 couple or Sicilian circle (couple facing couple in a big circle) and replace difficult movements for beginners (e.g. casting) with simpler ones. I added the word "Light" to the end of the dance title to distinguish the dance from the original version. Starting out with a couple of big circle dances (e.g. Newcastle Circle, Northdown Waltz Light) is always a good idea. A plus for these dances is that if you don't have a band to back you up, you can easily get good recordings of the dance tunes on CDs. Any comments or suggestions for improving the dances or teaching beginners are most welcome (dbell1-AT-nycap.rr.com) THE DANCES: NEWCASTLE CIRCLE NORTHDOWN WALTZ LIGHT FAREWELL MARIAN AGAIN JUICE OF BARLEY LIGHT HOLE IN THE WALL LIGHT DOVE'S FIGARY LIGHT SADLER'S WELLS LIGHT DUKE OF KENT'S WALTZ LIGHT DRAPER'S GARDENS LIGHT LILLIBURLERO LIGHT --Boundary_(ID_2OJweJtIB99Bvx/SG6ejAA) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Hi, Don:
 
I appreciate very much the trouble you took to do this, and I thank you for it.
 
Will find it most useful when I occasionally get a beginner(s)
in class to use one or two of your "Light" versions!
 
Regards, John
 
Bedford, Nova Scotia
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Bell
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 11:54 AM
Subject: BEGINNER ECD ONE NIGHT STANDS - 10 dances based on ECD Chesnuts

For anyone involved in teaching beginners, some of these easy dances may
be useful.

I put the dances up on my dance web site at:
http://www.rpi.edu/~belld2/dances.htm

Don Bell

BEGINNER ECD ONE NIGHT STANDS - 10 dances based on ECD Chesnuts
 
Doing beginner one night stands with ECD dances is a real challenge!
Some might even go so far to say it's a nightmare. There aren't a lot of
good, simple ECD dances that one can use. As most ECD dances are
longways formations, the caller/teacher and the dancers have to start by
investing a lot of time in learning the longways formation, active and
inactive roles, progression, basic longways vocabulary, standing out
etc. If the dance is part of a series of lessons, then new dancers will
tolerate this early learning handicap. However, in a one-night stand
situation with mostly beginners, using a longways formation involves too
much teaching and not enough immediate fun. If a dancer finds the first
dance or two too tedious, they probably won't stay for the remainder.

I think the main idea in a beginner one night stand situation should be
not so much to introduce new dancers to 'real' authentic English country
dances as to give them the flavor and excitement of ECD dancing,
hopefully resulting in such a positive experience that they will want to
come back for more. I want new dancers to get a taste of good dances and
good music without having to deal with movements and figures that are
usually troublesome for beginners and take too long to teach. To achieve
this objective, I adapted some ECD dances for a one night stand I did at
Beaver Lake campground near Oneonta, August 2003. There were no
experienced 'dance angels' to help us out - just me, the band and about
a dozen dancers - a diverse assortment of campers including kids and
some dance-challenged adults. These easy ECD dances were a life-saver
for me on this occasion.

Generally, the formula I evolved for developing these dances was to
replace the longways formation with a 2 couple or Sicilian circle
(couple facing couple in a big circle) and replace difficult movements
for beginners (e.g. casting) with simpler ones. I added the word "Light"
to the end of the dance title to distinguish the dance from the original
version. Starting out with a couple of big circle dances (e.g. Newcastle
Circle, Northdown Waltz Light) is always a good idea. A plus for these
dances is that if you don't have a band to back you up, you can easily
get good recordings of the dance tunes on CDs.

Any comments or suggestions for improving the dances or teaching
beginners are most welcome (dbell1-AT-nycap.rr.com)

THE DANCES:

NEWCASTLE CIRCLE
NORTHDOWN WALTZ LIGHT
FAREWELL MARIAN AGAIN
JUICE OF BARLEY LIGHT
HOLE IN THE WALL LIGHT
DOVE'S FIGARY LIGHT
SADLER'S WELLS LIGHT
DUKE OF KENT'S WALTZ LIGHT
DRAPER'S GARDENS LIGHT
LILLIBURLERO LIGHT

--Boundary_(ID_2OJweJtIB99Bvx/SG6ejAA)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 12:41:27 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 13:42:29 -0700 From: Mary Devlin Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Portland Ball To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT The Portland (OR) Ball is November 1st -- there's still time to register and plan your trip to Portland! Dave Macemon is leading the Ball dances and he's put together an excellent program. Information and registration is on the web: http://PortlandECD.home.att.net We begin with a pre-Ball dance on Friday. The ball workshop is Saturday afternoon with the Ball that evening. On Sunday we have a brunch followed by more dancing. Join us! Mary Devlin ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 20:05:26 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 21:21:46 -0400 (EDT) From: BHFrancis-AT-aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Sad News about Byron Buck To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <73.34964aee.2c8d33aa-AT-aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_sKiO5Pta7rPGSDP8s/cG4w)" --Boundary_(ID_sKiO5Pta7rPGSDP8s/cG4w) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT New York area dancers and others will be saddened to hear that Byron Buck died on August 8th. In his active dancing days Byron was a regular in New York, Ridgewood and at Pinewoods dance weeks. Those who knew Byron will remember his genial good humor and delightfully sharp wit. There is a memorial service planned for Saturday, October 19th, in Ridgewood, New Jersey. When details are available, I will pass them on. Beverly Francis --Boundary_(ID_sKiO5Pta7rPGSDP8s/cG4w) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT New York area dancers and others will be saddened to hear that Byron Buck died on August 8th.  In his active dancing days Byron was a regular in New York, Ridgewood and at Pinewoods dance weeks.  Those who knew Byron will remember his genial good humor and delightfully sharp wit. 

There is a memorial service planned for Saturday, October 19th, in Ridgewood, New Jersey.  When details are available, I will pass them on.

Beverly Francis --Boundary_(ID_sKiO5Pta7rPGSDP8s/cG4w)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 15:15:34 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 15:14:29 -0700 (PDT) From: metis-AT-seki.mcs.csuhayward.edu Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Victor Skowronski Dances Available Online To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <200309092214.h89METv26246-AT-seki.mcs.csuhayward.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT With Victor's help and permission, I've put a baker's dozen of his dances on my website. http://seki.csuhayward.edu/skowronski.html # Albany Assembly # Barbara's Maggot # Bunchley's Bransle # The Civil Engineer # Companions # Trip to Hoboken # Joseph's Idyll # Margaret # Orly Triumphant # Rafe's Waltz # Red House (Victor's Variant) # Rose Without a Thorn # O, Susato The only problem that some have noticed is that some versions of Acrobat seem to have trouble reading some of the music in these pdf files. My only suggestion is to download a different version of Acrobat Reader. Enjoy! Tommy Sven Tom Roby metis-AT-seki.mcs.csuhayward.edu http://seki.csuhayward.edu ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 04:40:51 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 04:40:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Country Dancers of Westchester Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: C.D.W. Opening Party in White Plains, NY To: ECD List Message-ID: <20030911114041.61073.qmail-AT-web12206.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Country Dancers of Westchester opens its 2003-2004 season featuring "The Four Aces" as emcees: Fried Herman, Carol Martinez, Gene Murrow, and Paul Ross. Music is by "Harpo & Her Sisters:" Ellen Tepper, Norma Castle, and Robin Russell. Dancing is from 8pm to 11pm, Saturday, May 25, at the Church in the Highlands, White Plains, NY. Get complete information at the C.D.W. website: http://www.geocities.com/cdwestchester/ Admission is $10.00 for members; $12.00 for others. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:36:09 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 18:35:53 +0000 From: Margherita Davis Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Stockport, NY Dance Saturday, September 13 To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT It is a special pleasure to announce that our oft-times ECD list historian and pundit, Rich Galloway, will be leading the next Stockport dance this coming Saturday. The evening’s dance begins at 7:30. Rich has selected a terrific program, combining old and new with such delightful dances as: Lilliburlero; The Wood Duck; Wa’ Is Me, What Mun I do!; An Early Frost; Mrs. Savage’s Whim; Miss De Jersey’s Memorial and Good Man of Cambridge. The music will be by Hudson Crossing: George Davis, violin; Sue Polansky, clarinet and John Venditti, piano. ********** Visit the Hudson Valley!********** The nights are cool & afternoons sunny - perfect weather for a delicious apple crop. Come on up here early in the day to pick your own apples or visit the many local farm stands. If that is too rustic for you, then spend the afternoon enjoying the renaissance in Hudson. With over 60 antique stores, some 2 dozen galleries and new eateries popping up in renovated old spaces, you can enjoy a pleasant day browsing and overlooking the Hudson River. *************************************** For more information and directions to the dance, check our website: http://home.earthlink.net/~mandgdavis/dancdate.html Margherita Davis _________________________________________________________________ Get 10MB of e-mail storage! Sign up for Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 02:36:04 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 10:35:08 +0100 From: Alan Corkett Subject: Halsway special events To: EngCountryDance Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <003301c37911$3d709860$a0e386d9-AT-default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT News of Events at the Manor WEST SOMERSET MOOR TO SHORE FESTIVAL - an arts and leisure festival, which celebrates the wealth of wonderful landscape in the district, starts this weekend. The festival, in its second year and organised by West Somerset District Council and ARTlife, takes place between Saturday 13th September and Sunday 21st September. The festival has tripled in size since last year and features a variety of arts, cultural, and sporting events taking place right across the district - from Exmoor to the coast. More information and a brochure listing all the Moor 2 Shore events is available from Jo Fewlass by telephoning 01984 635207 or by emailing jlfewlass-AT-westsomerset.gov.uk You can also download a copy of the brochure from WSDC's website www.westsomerset.gov.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday 12th to Sunday 14th September, 4.30pm Friday to 5pm Sunday -AT- Halsway Manor, Crowcombe SCOTTISH & PLAYFORD DANCE WEEKEND - A wonderful weekend of Scottish and English Playford dancing for mixed abilities, with live music and callers to help you join in. Contact Elvina Trinder Tel: 01934 842388 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sunday 14th September, 8pm - 9.30pm -AT- Halsway Manor, Crowcombe CELEBRATION OF FOLK SONGS OF THE SOUTH WEST - Bonny Sartin of "The Yetties" (folk song group) will present songs including material collected by Cecil Sharp in Somerset 100 years ago. Tel: 01984 618274 Email: office-AT-halswaymanor.org.uk Web: www.halswaymanor.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Monday 15th September, 2pm departure -AT- Halsway Manor, Crowcombe QUANTOCK RAMBLE - 2 hour easy paced walk on The Quantocks, followed by optional cream tea and tour of Halsway Manor. Ann Foxhuntley Tel: 01643 704134 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wednesday 17th September, 8pm - 10.30pm -AT- Halsway Manor, Crowcombe HALSWAY FOLK DANCE GROUP EVENING - Enjoy dancing with Halsway Folk Dance Group, live band, a caller to help you join in. English traditional dances. Tel: 01278 732202 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thursday 18th September, 3pm - 4pm -AT- Halsway Manor, Crowcombe HARP CONCERT & CREAM TEA - Elizabeth Jane Baldry - well known professional harpist will present a tapestry of music on the concert harp, followed by a cream tea. Tel: 01984 618274 Email: office-AT-halswaymanor.org.uk Web: www.halswaymanor.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thursday 18th September, 8pm - 10pm -AT- Halsway Manor, Crowcombe WEST SOMERSET MORRIS MEN - OPEN EVENING & DEMONSTRATION - An invitation to men and lads to see demonstrations of Morris Dancing and to "have a go". Musicians also welcome. Malcolm Appleton Tel: 01643 862541 Email: bagman-AT-westsomersetmorris.freeserve.co.uk Web: www.exmoorfolkmusic.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 15:47:33 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 18:47:20 -0400 From: Campbell Kaynor Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Tribute - off topic but many of you may have known Chris Carstanjen and Steve Adams To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT To my friends on 9/11/2003, After many fruitless stabs at some beautiful creation to mark the 2nd anniversary since Chris and Steve passed away with so many others on 9/11/01, I return to the poem that popped into my head on the way to work last year - it says it better. This year I am perhaps a bit more grieved in that an estimated 30,000 Iraqi families and hundreds of Americans have joined the 10,000 Afghanis who have perished in the senseless violence unleashed that day in 2001. International vigilantism seems to mark the foreign policy of the US it maintains its former manner of selfish arrogance in its dealings with the other nations of the world. I can't imagine that these approaches are helpful in any way, but the little things we do as individuals on a daily basis are. Today I picked Forget-Me-Nots for their exquisite and delicate blue flowers and for the potent symbolism in their common name. As I sit with them in a beaker by my desk at work, next to the computer screen with the photo of the Marlboro Morris Men as its desktop (I doctored Chris and Steve so they stand out from the others) my thoughts return to those two men and the thousands who have died in their wake. Of course I am also grieved for ANY who suffer, from the people of Sweden whose Foreign Minister was stabbed to death yesterday to the Israelis and Palestinians who daily pay the price for their struggle. I promise to remember them all and try to do just a little better, a little more, a little extra in this next year. Love to you all, peace, Cammy (Slightly revised, from 9/11/2002) Why do I live When others die? What Almighty Agenda Do I satisfy? When giving souls are lost in war, We who stay must give the more - And this at times when the pangs of loss- Impending frost- Dire cost- Are felt the most. All year I have striven to bring joy again To those who grieve, and to the children; To bury for a while, my agony and shame, For the bombs and death promulgated in my name. I cast the beauties of life into music and verse. By painting our hope for better, not worse, It may come about that we will look back, And remember what we gained, As well as what we lack. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 17:09:25 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 17:09:15 -0700 From: David Green Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: ECD in Oz To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <000601c3798b$44dc5010$52e6c9d0-AT-David> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: Dear Friends, Anyone know of any ECD activities in Australia (esp. NSW) between Nov 20 and Dec 3?? Or clubs &c. to contact? Thanks. -- David Green ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 17:30:51 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 20:29:28 -0400 From: Deb Karl Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD in Oz To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3F6264E9.2D828EC4-AT-wi.mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <000601c3798b$44dc5010$52e6c9d0-AT-David> check with Aylwen & John Garden - garden-AT-earthlydelights.com.au http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/ --Deb David Green wrote: > > Dear Friends, > Anyone know of any ECD activities in Australia (esp. NSW) between Nov 20 and > Dec 3?? Or clubs &c. to contact? > Thanks. > -- David Green ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 18:57:08 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 21:59:10 -0400 From: Blank Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD in Oz To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3F6279EE.40505-AT-sprintmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <000601c3798b$44dc5010$52e6c9d0-AT-David> Dear David, There is a bit of ECD activity in NSW. Try this URL: http://www.dancing the web.com/ausfolkdance Have a nice trip! Al Blank ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 19:12:54 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 22:12:46 -0400 From: Stu Shapiro Subject: Victor Skowronski Dances Available Online To: ecd-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <000301c3799c$86a31680$d8adfea9-AT-stushapiro> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Tom Roby wrote: With Victor's help and permission, I've put a baker's dozen of his dances on my website. [snip] The only problem that some have noticed is that some versions of Acrobat seem to have trouble reading some of the music in these pdf files. My only suggestion is to download a different version of Acrobat Reader. ------------------------------------------- I displayed 3 dances and, on the first viewing, some staff lines and parts of notes did not display. I then zoomed to a different zoom level and the music displayed properly. After that, any zoom level gave a good display. I am using version 4.05 of the Acrobat Reader. Stu Shapiro ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 09:02:53 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 16:02:43 +0000 From: Margherita Davis Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Query To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Hello Everyone! I’d like to draw upon the collected wisdom of this group regarding a project I’m working on. I am preparing the text for a CD label of dances. In looking at the many CDs we have as a guide, I see that the dances are either just listed on the disk with their track number, or some have the running times in brackets. My query: Wouldn’t the number of times the dance is played be more valuable to have on the label? The reason I ask the following scenario: A dance leader who travels to a dance might just slip the disk into a CD wallet with others. Then, when there, might have to change the preset program based upon the abilities/preferences of the dancers who actually show up. The number of times played might be more useful.. What do you think? Margherita Davis ******************************************************** Margherita Modica Davis NYC: (212) 724-1707 margheritad1-AT-hotmail.com Upstate: (518) 828-6181 mandgdavis-AT-earthlink.net mmodica1-AT-yahoo.com http://home.earthlink.net/~mandgdavis/ ******************************************************** _________________________________________________________________ Compare Cable, DSL or Satellite plans: As low as $29.95. https://broadband.msn.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 09:16:24 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 11:57:56 -0400 From: Marge Cramton Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: Query To: "'ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu'" Message-ID: <111C7A5AB1BCD411918A000103212474013C350E-AT-MAIL1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT And while you're thinking about that question, do you have thoughts about whether people would also be interested in seeing the key(s) in which the tunes are played included in the album notes? -----Original Message----- From: Margherita Davis [mailto:margheritad1-AT-hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 12:03 PM To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Query [adr][bayes] Hello Everyone! I'd like to draw upon the collected wisdom of this group regarding a project I'm working on. I am preparing the text for a CD label of dances. In looking at the many CDs we have as a guide, I see that the dances are either just listed on the disk with their track number, or some have the running times in brackets. My query: Wouldn't the number of times the dance is played be more valuable to have on the label? The reason I ask the following scenario: A dance leader who travels to a dance might just slip the disk into a CD wallet with others. Then, when there, might have to change the preset program based upon the abilities/preferences of the dancers who actually show up. The number of times played might be more useful.. What do you think? Margherita Davis ******************************************************** Margherita Modica Davis NYC: (212) 724-1707 margheritad1-AT-hotmail.com Upstate: (518) 828-6181 mandgdavis-AT-earthlink.net mmodica1-AT-yahoo.com http://home.earthlink.net/~mandgdavis/ ******************************************************** _________________________________________________________________ Compare Cable, DSL or Satellite plans: As low as $29.95. https://broadband.msn.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 09:23:06 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 12:32:12 -0400 From: Ridge Kennedy Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: Query To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Margherita said: > My query: Wouldn’t the number of times the dance is played be > more valuable > to have on the label? If you're thinking the recordings will be marketed to callers/leaders, absolutely. Recordings for Trad. American Dances prepared by the Lloyd Shaw foundation, for example, routinely list the repetitions and length of the tune in measures. For example: "Reel de St. Jean, Eddie’s Reel and Seneca Square Dance, 12 x 64" I don't know if they include that info on the case insert or disk, but it sure would be helpful if they did. If timing could be included, I'd add that too. If there's any possibility of being played on radio stations, that info is important, too. Sincerely, R. Ridge Kennedy Washington, NJ (No Exit) When you stumble, make it part of the dance. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * News: The Trad-SD E-Mail Discussion List has moved to Yahoogroups -- This is a listserve for traditional dance callers, musicians, dance organizers, dancers and friends of traditional American dance. It includes a broad spectrum of leaders from a wide range of traditions including “modern western,” Lloyd Shaw and the "modern urban" contra scene. It is also fortunate to include several of the founders of today’s dance scene, people who began their calling career in the ‘40s and ‘50s (this list got “roots”). If you are not already a member, you can subscribe by sending a *blank* (no subject and no message text) e-mail message to trad-dance-callers-AT-yahoogroups.com For your clickable convenience: mailto:trad-dance-callers-AT-yahoogroups.com Don't forget to remove any signature text from the message. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 10:21:49 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 13:19:54 -0400 From: "Emily L. Ferguson" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Query To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: Well, if the recording is for dancing, then I'd think it would be wise to make certain that the correct multiple of times through is recorded. And, recalling the frustration of those old EP33s from EFDSS being just too few times, I'd think you might want to think about how many times. The Boston average is around 11 for duples and 13 for triples. 11 permits 6 cpls to be ones in the duples. 13 permits 5 cples to be ones in the triples. As for telling on the cover exactly how many times, I sorta don't think it's necessary unless it's very short or extra long. Certainly some triples running that long might be a challenge for a novice level group but good leadership and good selection of program should obviate that problem. As for telling which key they're playing in, musicians might appreciate that. -- Emily L. Ferguson mailto:elf-AT-cape.com 508-563-6822 New England landscapes, wooden boats and races, press photography http://www.vsu.cape.com/~elf ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 10:29:51 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 12:28:12 -0500 From: Paul Stamler Subject: Re: Query To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <002401c37a1c$696b0480$ab6a550c-AT-paulstam> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: ----- Original Message ----- From: Margherita Davis <> Yes. But it's also important to have the time on the CD's traycard, for those of us who might be inclined to play the record on the radio. And please, put the track numbers with their titles and times on the traycard, legibly! And times-though, yes. Peace, Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 10:47:57 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 03:47:49 +1000 From: jared-AT-netspace.net.au Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD in Oz To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <1063475269.3f635845b8513-AT-webmail.netspace.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT englishcountrydancing.com ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 10:50:11 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 12:50:04 -0500 (CDT) From: jsivier-AT-uiuc.edu (Jonathan Sivier) Subject: Re: Query To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <200309131750.h8DHo405014922-AT-staff1.cso.uiuc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Margherita Davis writes: > > Hello Everyone! > > I’d like to draw upon the collected wisdom of this group regarding a project > I’m working on. > > I am preparing the text for a CD label of dances. In looking at the many CDs > we have as a guide, I see that the dances are either just listed on the disk > with their track number, or some have the running times in brackets. > > My query: Wouldn’t the number of times the dance is played be more valuable > to have on the label? > > The reason I ask the following scenario: A dance leader who travels to a > dance might just slip the disk into a CD wallet with others. Then, when > there, might have to change the preset program based upon the > abilities/preferences of the dancers who actually show up. The number of > times played might be more useful.. I would find the number of times through to be useful. Other useful bits of information that I make note of when preparing to use a recording for a dance are tempo (beats per minute) and what the introduction is (one note, 2 notes, a chord, 2 bars, etc.). You can get an approximation of the tempo by using the number of times through and the play time, but that isn't accurate since the play time includes the intro as well as the silence before and after the music. Jonathan ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Jonathan Sivier |Q: How many angels can dance on the | | jsivier-AT-uiuc.edu | head of a pin? | | Flight Simulation Lab |A: It depends on what dance you call. | | Beckman Institute | | | 405 N. Mathews | SWMDG - Single White Male | | Urbana, IL 61801 | Dance Gypsy | | Work: 217/244-1923 | | | Home: 217/359-8225 | Have shoes, will dance. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Home page URL: http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/jsivier | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 10:55:46 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 12:54:45 -0500 From: Paul Stamler Subject: More on CDs To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <000801c37a20$1ea0c260$836c550c-AT-paulstam> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <1063475269.3f635845b8513-AT-webmail.netspace.net.au> Hi again: A good reason to have the key marked on the traycard is to prevent a dance leader from choosing four tunes in a row that are in the same key. The dancers may not know why they're bored, but they will be. Peace, Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 10:55:51 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 13:53:35 -0400 From: Carl Friedman Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Baltimore Playford Ball To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <32281B6B-E613-11D7-A952-000393C225F4-AT-alumni.williams.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi all, There's still room for more dancers at the Baltimore Playford Ball, Saturday, October 18, featuring music by Hold the Mustard. Registration flyers (pdf) available at www.bfms.org. Send in your registration by Sept 18 and take $2 off. Hope to see many of you there. Carl and Diane Friedman ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 12:52:12 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 12:51:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Benjamin Stein Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Query To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20030913195101.33079.qmail-AT-web41503.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT --- Margherita Davis wrote: > Hello Everyone! > > I’d like to draw upon the collected wisdom of this group > regarding a project > I’m working on. > > I am preparing the text for a CD label of dances. In > looking at the many CDs > we have as a guide, I see that the dances are either just > listed on the disk > with their track number, or some have the running times > in brackets. > > My query: Wouldn’t the number of times the dance is > played be more valuable > to have on the label? > > The reason I ask the following scenario: A dance leader > who travels to a > dance might just slip the disk into a CD wallet with > others. Then, when > there, might have to change the preset program based upon > the > abilities/preferences of the dancers who actually show > up. The number of > times played might be more useful.. > > What do you think? > > Margherita Davis Oh definitely! Ben Stein > > > > ******************************************************** > Margherita Modica Davis NYC: (212) 724-1707 > margheritad1-AT-hotmail.com Upstate: (518) 828-6181 > mandgdavis-AT-earthlink.net mmodica1-AT-yahoo.com > http://home.earthlink.net/~mandgdavis/ > ******************************************************** > > _________________________________________________________________ > Compare Cable, DSL or Satellite plans: As low as $29.95. > > https://broadband.msn.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 15:16:20 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 22:14:23 +0000 (GMT) From: gmurrow-AT-juno.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Query To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20030913.151454.8359.195204-AT-webmail14.lax.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I've struggled with this question.... what to include in the very limited space available on the CD label itself. If you have the space, adding the "times through" would be useful. I wouldn't delete the timings, as that has always been a necessary part of recording data (and required if you ever want any radio air play). As others have pointed out, there is a lot of other information a caller would want to have when adding a particular recorded dance to his/her program. The formation, the key, the tune structure (is this the version of "Portsmouth" with the 2 B's or the 1 B? Did they include the intro and coda of "Never Love Thee More"? etc.), the meter... So, as a producer, I concluded that it is the caller's responsibility to have ALL this information at hand, either by keeping the traycard or booklet with the disc, or having such information on a dance card, or perhaps a customized listing of one's library of recorded music that is part of the caller's kit. And I therefore opted to keep the disk label itself very clean, and include only the title, track number, and "statutory" timings. Hope that helps... As producer, it's your call. Gene ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 21:00:58 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 14:02:59 +1000 From: Aylwen Garden Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD in Oz To: "ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi, we run weekly English Country Dance Afternoons "Dancing on the Lake" where we cover an assortment of Regency Dances, English Country Dances, Contra Dances, Couples Dances and Christmas Carol Dances. Please feel free to drop in! Cheers4now, Aylwen Garden ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.earthlydelights.com.au PUBLICATIONS: The Christmas Carol Dance Book The Lost Dances of Earthly Delights EVENTS: Monthly English Country/Contra Dances Weekly Sunday Dance Afternoons "Dancing on the Lake" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > From: David Green > Reply-To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 17:09:15 -0700 > To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu > Subject: ECD in Oz > > Dear Friends, > Anyone know of any ECD activities in Australia (esp. NSW) between Nov 20 and > Dec 3?? Or clubs &c. to contact? > Thanks. > -- David Green > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 13:56:49 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 16:58:56 -0400 From: Blank Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Query To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3F64D690.6020101-AT-sprintmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: Margherita, Just took a look at some of my old disks and, on 78rpm and 45rpm disk labels, often found a notation like 7X (not really "X" but the times sign) for the number of repeats of the dance . It doesn't take much space, so why not include it? Of course, musicians want to know the number of repeats of the music, not the dance. Hey! Can't satisfy everyone! Ciao, Al ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 17:35:09 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 20:34:36 -0400 From: "Stephen D. Corrsin" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD Digest V1 #1427 To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT With regard to the political message, below, sent on # 1427: oh, for heaven's sake. Is this to become a political list? Is this the point of English Country Dance? Do we have to sign on to a particular message? My request would be that political messages be placed on other lists: not on the ECD List. thanks Steve C. Steve Corrsin 5166 Patrick Rd. West Bloomfield MI 48322 tel 248-661-6283 fax 248-661-6288 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 18:47:20 -0400 From: Campbell Kaynor Subject: Re: Tribute - off topic but many of you may have known Chris Message-ID: To my friends on 9/11/2003, After many fruitless stabs at some beautiful creation to mark the 2nd anniversary since Chris and Steve passed away with so many others on 9/11/01, I return to the poem that popped into my head on the way to work last year - it says it better. This year I am perhaps a bit more grieved in that an estimated 30,000 Iraqi families and hundreds of Americans have joined the 10,000 Afghanis who have perished in the senseless violence unleashed that day in 2001. International vigilantism seems to mark the foreign policy of the US it maintains its former manner of selfish arrogance in its dealings with the other nations of the world. I can't imagine that these approaches are helpful in any way, but the little things we do as individuals on a daily basis are. Today I picked Forget-Me-Nots for their exquisite and delicate blue flowers and for the potent symbolism in their common name. As I sit with them in a beaker by my desk at work, next to the computer screen with the photo of the Marlboro Morris Men as its desktop (I doctored Chris and Steve so they stand out from the others) my thoughts return to those two men and the thousands who have died in their wake. Of course I am also grieved for ANY who suffer, from the people of Sweden whose Foreign Minister was stabbed to death yesterday to the Israelis and Palestinians who daily pay the price for their struggle. I promise to remember them all and try to do just a little better, a little more, a little extra in this next year. Love to you all, peace, Cammy (Slightly revised, from 9/11/2002) Why do I live When others die? What Almighty Agenda Do I satisfy? When giving souls are lost in war, We who stay must give the more - And this at times when the pangs of loss- Impending frost- Dire cost- Are felt the most. All year I have striven to bring joy again To those who grieve, and to the children; To bury for a while, my agony and shame, For the bombs and death promulgated in my name. I cast the beauties of life into music and verse. By painting our hope for better, not worse, It may come about that we will look back, And remember what we gained, As well as what we lack. ------------------------------ End of ECD Digest V1 #1427 ****************************** y _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 21:46:26 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 00:46:12 -0400 (EDT) From: SFORDNYC-AT-aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Query To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <1e7.fe08f2f.2c969e14-AT-aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT One more thought... I agree with those who pointed out that having the timing is important -- so I would not times through only without the timing for each on the tray card (back cover). If you have room for both, it sounds like it would be really useful. But there isn't much room on a tray card and if the information is too microscopic it won't be useful, imho. I don't see why you couldn't include it in the booklet where you have plenty of room. And the caller can add the information to his/her notes which probably more likely than your other scenario. So long as it's somewhere, that should be fine. I have a recording by The Broadside Band, English Country Dances from Playford's Dancing Master 1651-1703. In the booklet, they have a listing of the dances in order showing: Playford Edition, Introduction (i.e. chord, once through tune, upbeat, two violin chords, etc.), Times Through and Duration. Showing the Key sounds like a useful addition to this listing information. The Intros seems like a good idea as well -- especially if they vary. Or if you're using the recording for "informal" dancing without a caller. If the Intro is always the same (two note upbeat, whatever) then you could indicate as a note on the listing or in the liner notes. My two cents, Suzanne ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 23:22:15 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 01:20:36 -0500 From: Paul Stamler Subject: Re: Query To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <003d01c37b51$7aa4e460$146a550c-AT-paulstam> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <3F64D690.6020101-AT-sprintmail.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Blank <> Yeah, but if you're using records, you probably don't have musicians, so it's not really a problem. And when musicians are present, the leader should let the musicians know how many repeats, and whether 1x the dance is different from 1x the tune. Peace, Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 01:22:43 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 09:22:32 +0100 From: Michael Barraclough Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD Digest V1 #1427 To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <200309150822.JAA14443-AT-galahad.tgis.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Generally I would tend to agree with Steve but in this instance I believe that he is wrong. Irrespective of the political aspects of the event and of the comment in this email, the fact remains that the life of an ECD/Morris dancer was lost as a result of this tragic event. I cannot recall the indivdual personally but I know that I probably met him as his team danced over here in the UK with mine some years ago. Even if I did not meet him personally, I certainly met many of his friends. I for one wept buckets when I saw the original email. Watching the event on my computer screen and TV as it unfolded was somehow unreal. Reading about it afterwards was still unreal. Knowing that someone you have probably met was in one of the planes was very real. Thank you Cammy for remembering for us. Michael Barraclough On Sunday, September 14, 2003 at 08:34:36 PM, ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu wrote: > With regard to the political message, below, sent on # 1427: oh, for > heaven's sake. Is this to become a political list? Is this the point of > English Country Dance? Do we have to sign on to a particular message? > > My request would be that political messages be placed on other lists: not on > the ECD List. > > thanks > Steve C. > > Steve Corrsin > 5166 Patrick Rd. > West Bloomfield MI 48322 > tel 248-661-6283 > fax 248-661-6288 > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 18:47:20 -0400 > From: Campbell Kaynor > Subject: Re: Tribute - off topic but many of you may have known Chris > Message-ID: > > To my friends on 9/11/2003, > After many fruitless stabs at some beautiful creation to mark the 2nd > anniversary since Chris and Steve passed away with so many others on > 9/11/01, I return to the poem that popped into my head on the way to work > last year - it says it better. > This year I am perhaps a bit more grieved in that an estimated 30,000 Iraqi > families and hundreds of Americans have joined the 10,000 Afghanis who have > perished in the senseless violence unleashed that day in 2001. > International vigilantism seems to mark the foreign policy of the US it > maintains its former manner of selfish arrogance in its dealings with the > other nations of the world. I can't imagine that these approaches are > helpful in any way, > > but the little things we do as individuals on a daily basis are. > > Today I picked Forget-Me-Nots for their exquisite and delicate blue flowers > and for the potent symbolism in their common name. As I sit with them in a > beaker by my desk at work, next to the computer screen with the photo of > the Marlboro Morris Men as its desktop (I doctored Chris and Steve so they > stand out from the others) my thoughts return to those two men and the > thousands who have died in their wake. Of course I am also grieved for ANY > who suffer, from the people of Sweden whose Foreign Minister was stabbed to > death yesterday to the Israelis and Palestinians who daily pay the price > for their struggle. I promise to remember them all and try to do just a > little better, a little more, a little extra in this next year. > Love to you all, peace, Cammy > > (Slightly revised, from 9/11/2002) > > Why do I live > When others die? > What Almighty Agenda > Do I satisfy? > > When giving souls are lost in war, > We who stay must give the more - > And this at times when the pangs of loss- > Impending frost- > Dire cost- > Are felt the most. > > All year I have striven to bring joy again > To those who grieve, and to the children; > To bury for a while, my agony and shame, > For the bombs and death promulgated in my name. > > I cast the beauties of life into music and verse. > By painting our hope for better, not worse, > It may come about that we will look back, > And remember what we gained, > As well as what we lack. > > ------------------------------ > > End of ECD Digest V1 #1427 > ****************************** > y > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > -- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 06:20:41 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 09:30:04 -0400 From: Charlie Dyer Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Register now for the Second Annual Rachel and Andrew Jackson Ball- October 25th To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <004b01c37b8d$79e594c0$0101a8c0-AT-pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Registration is now open for the Second Annual Rachel and Andrew Jackson Ball and all day English Country Dance to be held Saturday October 25, 2003 at the Church of the Good Shepherd, Episcopal, 1100 Stockton St., Jacksonville, FL from 10 AM to 10:30 PM. Live music with Full Circle- Veronica Lane: hammered dulcimer, flute; Robbie Zukauskas: flute, whistle, recorder; Ted Lane: guitar; Sandy Arozqueta: bass. Dances will be led by Charlie Dyer and guests. Cost is $22 for registrations received before October 3rd. $25 thereafter. A simple registration form can be found at: http://chdyer.tripod.com/jacksonball03/ballfly.html Registration includes a full day and evening of dance and a light lunch. Optional will be a dinner at Heartworks Restaurant. I expect to host a brunch and more dance at my house Sunday morning. Please join us! Charlie Dyer 904-731-7058 www.DanceFlorida.org chdyer-AT-aya.yale.edu PS The First Rachel and Andrew Jackson Ball held in 2002 was great fun. Visit this page for a slide show of the 2002 Ball- http://chdyer.tripod.com/ssball03.html Visit this page for the 2002 pictures in a thumbnail format- http://chdyer.tripod.com/JacksonBall/ball2002.htm Visit this page for the 2002 program with links to sources- http://chdyer.tripod.com/JacksonBall/ballprog.html ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 07:07:18 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 10:07:06 -0400 From: Campbell Kaynor Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD Digest V1 #1427 To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Dear Stephen et alia, I apologize if my Email offended. I do not send political messages to this list (but if anyone would like to receive such, feel free to contact me off-list). I imagine that my political leanings are rather apparent to anyone reading my missive, but I do not expect anyone to "sign on" to my particular message any more than you must sign on to my choreographical and interpretational suggestions. If my message engenders thought on the matter among some of you, then that is a good thing. If my message of hope is one that helps any of you to put more enthusiasm into what you do, then that is also a good thing. Amongst all the dancers, musicians, leaders, historians, etc... that contribute to this list, I'm sure there are many who find, as I do, that ECD can be a healing and strengthening presence in a community. I had felt that I tread close to the boundary of what is an acceptable ECD list topic which is why I warned in the subject line that this was a "tribute - off topic" but that it concerned individuals that many of us knew. Once again I apologize if it was hurtful to any, as my soul intent was to bolster the healing process we are all undergoing, and I apologize if I have mis-used this list. Love, Cammy "Stephen D. Corrsin" To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Sent by: cc: owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.s Subject: Re: ECD Digest V1 #1427 tanford.edu 14-Sep-2003 08:34 PM Please respond to ECD With regard to the political message, below, sent on # 1427: oh, for heaven's sake. Is this to become a political list? Is this the point of English Country Dance? Do we have to sign on to a particular message? My request would be that political messages be placed on other lists: not on the ECD List. thanks Steve C. Steve Corrsin 5166 Patrick Rd. West Bloomfield MI 48322 tel 248-661-6283 fax 248-661-6288 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 07:22:17 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 10:20:44 -0400 From: Tom Vincent Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD Digest V1 #1427 To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <029801c37b94$977aa780$6ec35244-AT-Hawk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <200309150822.JAA14443-AT-galahad.tgis.co.uk> I couldn't agree more, Mike. It's pretty heartless to slam someone still grieving for their loss because they also grieve for the victims of our government's madness. I remember reading posts on 9/11/01 where people were mentioning that so-and-so from some dance community was on one of the planes, in one of the buildings or narrowly missed either fate. Tom Vincent ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Barraclough" To: Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 4:22 AM Subject: Re: ECD Digest V1 #1427 > Generally I would tend to agree with Steve but in this instance I believe that he is wrong. Irrespective of the political aspects of the event and of the comment in this email, the fact remains that the life of an ECD/Morris dancer was lost as a result of this tragic event. I cannot recall the indivdual personally but I know that I probably met him as his team danced over here in the UK with mine some years ago. Even if I did not meet him personally, I certainly met many of his friends. I for one wept buckets when I saw the original email. Watching the event on my computer screen and TV as it unfolded was somehow unreal. Reading about it afterwards was still unreal. Knowing that someone you have probably met was in one of the planes was very real. Thank you Cammy for remembering for us. > > Michael Barraclough > > > On Sunday, September 14, 2003 at 08:34:36 PM, ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu wrote: > > > With regard to the political message, below, sent on # 1427: oh, for > > heaven's sake. Is this to become a political list? Is this the point of > > English Country Dance? Do we have to sign on to a particular message? > > > > My request would be that political messages be placed on other lists: not on > > the ECD List. > > > > thanks > > Steve C. > > > > Steve Corrsin > > 5166 Patrick Rd. > > West Bloomfield MI 48322 > > tel 248-661-6283 > > fax 248-661-6288 > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 18:47:20 -0400 > > From: Campbell Kaynor > > Subject: Re: Tribute - off topic but many of you may have known Chris > > Message-ID: > > > > To my friends on 9/11/2003, > > After many fruitless stabs at some beautiful creation to mark the 2nd > > anniversary since Chris and Steve passed away with so many others on > > 9/11/01, I return to the poem that popped into my head on the way to work > > last year - it says it better. > > This year I am perhaps a bit more grieved in that an estimated 30,000 Iraqi > > families and hundreds of Americans have joined the 10,000 Afghanis who have > > perished in the senseless violence unleashed that day in 2001. > > International vigilantism seems to mark the foreign policy of the US it > > maintains its former manner of selfish arrogance in its dealings with the > > other nations of the world. I can't imagine that these approaches are > > helpful in any way, > > > > but the little things we do as individuals on a daily basis are. > > > > Today I picked Forget-Me-Nots for their exquisite and delicate blue flowers > > and for the potent symbolism in their common name. As I sit with them in a > > beaker by my desk at work, next to the computer screen with the photo of > > the Marlboro Morris Men as its desktop (I doctored Chris and Steve so they > > stand out from the others) my thoughts return to those two men and the > > thousands who have died in their wake. Of course I am also grieved for ANY > > who suffer, from the people of Sweden whose Foreign Minister was stabbed to > > death yesterday to the Israelis and Palestinians who daily pay the price > > for their struggle. I promise to remember them all and try to do just a > > little better, a little more, a little extra in this next year. > > Love to you all, peace, Cammy > > > > (Slightly revised, from 9/11/2002) > > > > Why do I live > > When others die? > > What Almighty Agenda > > Do I satisfy? > > > > When giving souls are lost in war, > > We who stay must give the more - > > And this at times when the pangs of loss- > > Impending frost- > > Dire cost- > > Are felt the most. > > > > All year I have striven to bring joy again > > To those who grieve, and to the children; > > To bury for a while, my agony and shame, > > For the bombs and death promulgated in my name. > > > > I cast the beauties of life into music and verse. > > By painting our hope for better, not worse, > > It may come about that we will look back, > > And remember what we gained, > > As well as what we lack. > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of ECD Digest V1 #1427 > > ****************************** > > y > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. > > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > > > > > -- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 07:24:30 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 07:24:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Graham Christian Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Digesting To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20030915142425.21599.qmail-AT-web20607.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT To me, this list is--like or no--a kind of community. Not the sort of community contained within town walls--but a far-flung, ethereal community nevertheless. Reading these messages is a bit like wandering around a large family reunion: there's your favorite cousin Hortense, there's your brother spouting his usual nonsense, there's that man, and how is he related to us? but he's certainly entertaining--and so on. Announcements, bugbears, armchair philosophies, memories, advice, little neuroses, all on parade. You can say, "Oh dear," and move on; or "Sing it, sister!" Of course, the purpose of the list is to discuss English Country Dance, and we should not stray too far from that purpose--but the events of two years ago had an incalculable and continuing impact on our world, and direct impact on our list--not six degrees of separation, but *one*. I think it's unrealistic to expect that we couldn't, or shouldn't, notice the anniversary, and remember it in words or in our hearts. So perhaps--whether we happen to endorse Cammy's precise thoughts or not--we can view his note as part of the expression of the community--he reminds those who have begun to forget, and stands in part for those who (though silent) cannot forget. G ===== Graham Christian "They love dance well that will dance among thorns." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 08:00:14 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 09:58:24 -0500 From: Paul Stamler Subject: Re: Digesting To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <003b01c37b99$d0b5e460$da6d550c-AT-paulstam> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <20030915142425.21599.qmail-AT-web20607.mail.yahoo.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Christian <> My feelings precisely. Thanks, Graham, for articulating them. Peace, Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 08:35:33 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 08:31:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: Digesting To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01L0OR6F3WJM8Y5Q1P-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Graham wrote: > To me, this list is--like or no--a kind of community. > Not the sort of community contained within town > walls--but a far-flung, ethereal community > nevertheless. Reading these messages is a bit like > wandering around a large family reunion: there's your > favorite cousin Hortense, there's your brother > spouting his usual nonsense, there's that man, and how > is he related to us? but he's certainly > entertaining--and so on. > Announcements, bugbears, armchair philosophies, > memories, advice, little neuroses, all on parade. You > can say, "Oh dear," and move on; or "Sing it, sister!" > Of course, the purpose of the list is to discuss > English Country Dance, and we should not stray too far > from that purpose--but the events of two years ago had > an incalculable and continuing impact on our world, > and direct impact on our list--not six degrees of > separation, but *one*. I think it's unrealistic to > expect that we couldn't, or shouldn't, notice the > anniversary, and remember it in words or in our > hearts. So perhaps--whether we happen to endorse > Cammy's precise thoughts or not--we can view his note > as part of the expression of the community--he reminds > those who have begun to forget, and stands in part for > those who (though silent) cannot forget. List owner (waiting for customer service on the phone; estimated queue time now down to eight minutes) sez: (1) Couldn't have said it better myself. (2) Adds to previous discussion that there were _two_ morrismen, one on a plane, one in a tower; all the pain, mutual support, can be found in the monthly archive for September '01. (3) Am off to Ashland for a week. May or may not have internet access while gone. (If I never get off the phone I won't have time to pack up the laptop and keyboard.) Play nice. -- Alan -- =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 09:20:25 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 02:19:42 +1000 From: jared-AT-netspace.net.au Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Memorial Dance for Ruth Cooper (Well Hall, Melbourne Australia) To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <1063642782.3f65e69e54c3a-AT-webmail.netspace.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT The regular ECD session this Tuesday, 16th Sept, is a memorial of Ruth Cooper. Ruth passed away on 31st August, having gone into hospice in Portland Oregon a fortnight prior. She had been active in ECD dance, performances and period costuming in Melbourne. She danced at Well Hall since it opened. In a creative use of a mobile phone she was able to listen to the music and talk to dancing friends even when in hospital. Her joy, spirit are remembered by all. Well Hall, 11-13 Yann Street, Preston; 7.45pm -9.45pm ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 09:37:20 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:14:24 -0400 From: "Dawn C. Culbertson" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [SPAM:#] Re: Query To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20030915.124148.-133115.7.dcculb-AT-juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 16:02:43 +0000 Margherita Davis writes: > Hello Everyone! > > I’d like to draw upon the collected wisdom of this group regarding a > project > I’m working on. > > I am preparing the text for a CD label of dances. In looking at the > many CDs > we have as a guide, I see that the dances are either just listed on > the disk > with their track number, or some have the running times in brackets. > > My query: Wouldn’t the number of times the dance is played be more > valuable > to have on the label? > > The reason I ask the following scenario: A dance leader who travels > to a > dance might just slip the disk into a CD wallet with others. Then, > when > there, might have to change the preset program based upon the > abilities/preferences of the dancers who actually show up. The > number of > times played might be more useful.. > > What do you think? I think including both the duration of the track AND the number of times through the dance would be a good idea. That way, the caller not only knows the number of repeats but knows how long it will take, which could better help them figure out the dance program. Dawn Culbertson Baltimore, MD ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:50:25 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:46:53 -0700 From: Gary Shapiro Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Imagined Village out of print To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I finally decided I should own a copy of The Imagined Village: Culture, Ideology, and the English Folk Revival, by Georgina Boyes, only to find that it is out of print. Does anyone have a copy they would like to sell? I did check amazon, half.com/ebay, and outofprint.com. The the local university library has a copy to read there (or do an interlibrary loan via the city library) but it would be nice to have a copy to keep. -- Peace, Gary ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 14:09:11 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 17:05:15 -0400 From: Stephanie Smith Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Imagined Village out of print To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20030915210515.NUXU602.out002.verizon.net-AT-localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT You could try the out-of-print search option on Amazon.com or you could contact Georgina Boyes directly to see if she has any suggestions. Just do a Google search on her and you'll find her email address. Stephanie Smith Bethesda, MD > From: Gary Shapiro > Date: 2003/09/15 Mon PM 03:46:53 EDT > To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu > Subject: Imagined Village out of print > > I finally decided I should own a copy of The Imagined Village: > Culture, Ideology, and the English Folk Revival, by Georgina Boyes, > only to find that it is out of print. > > Does anyone have a copy they would like to sell? I did check amazon, > half.com/ebay, and outofprint.com. > > The the local university library has a copy to read there (or do an > interlibrary loan via the city library) but it would be nice to have > a copy to keep. > -- > Peace, > Gary > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 15:27:49 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 22:27:38 +0000 From: Margherita Davis Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Fwd: Concert Grand for Sale To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I am forwarding this for a friend who is not on the list: ----Original Message Follows---- From: Cynthia Shaw To: Subject: Concert Grand for Sale Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 09:13:52 -0400 Dear Everyone. A friend of mine in NY is selling her father's Michigan house and all its contents. One of his prized possessions is a Yamaha 7'4" concert grand. He kept it in pristine condition, even covering it with a cloth cover after each use. She is now in a position to sell it. She had recently looked into shipping it to California which cost $600, I would imagine that figure might be good for anywhere. Also, according to the manufacturer, the piano originally cost $40,000. She is now asking $19,000 and might negotiate a bit. Here are the specifics. She has left her cell phone number to contact, although she is here in NYC. Please pass along if you know of anyone interested. Cynthia 1983 Yamaha, Model C7, 7'4" long Black Ebony One meticulous piano-playing owner Pristine Condition Rochester Hills, MI location Contact Nancy at 917 929 2241 $19,000 _________________________________________________________________ Compare Cable, DSL or Satellite plans: As low as $29.95. https://broadband.msn.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 17:38:40 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 10:41:08 +1000 From: John Garden Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: Origins of Sellenger's Round To: "ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Violet Alford and Rodney Gallop wrote in their 1935 book 'The Traditional Dance' that many early English rounds: 'might have been Maypole dances but ... we know only one which was certainly thus used. This is Sellenger's Round or the Beginning of the World... Here at last is something we are certain of, for this was "danced in moonshine nights about Maypoles", as long ago as Elizabeth's dancing days and before them. It appears again in a "Garland" of tunes with a woodcut of men and women in a hands-all ring round a Maypole, and to make assurance is marked "Hey for Sellenger's Round".' Does anyone know these two works from which Alford and Gallop are quoting- and in the second of which there is also the illustration? (they don't burden their eminently readible and enjoyable work with footnotes) Can anyone offer me leads to hard or electronic copies of these works - or point me to any other iconographic or literary evidence (as opposed to morphological indications) of a link between early rounds and Maypole dancing? Many thanks, John Garden ----------------------------------------------------- http://www.earthlydelights.com.au Music, Dance & Costumes ----------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 18:55:57 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 18:55:11 -0700 From: Jon Berger Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Imagined Village out of print To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3F666D7F.4030108-AT-sbcglobal.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <20030915210515.NUXU602.out002.verizon.net-AT-localhost> Stephanie Smith wrote: > You could try the out-of-print search option on Amazon.com or you could contact Georgina Boyes directly to see if she has any suggestions. Just do a Google search on her and you'll find her email address. It's georgina.boyes-AT-BLUEYONDER.CO.UK -- she posts on the Morris list from time to time. -- Jon Berger http://pages.sbcglobal.net/jberger ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 10:42:10 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 09:04:42 -0400 From: Allison M Thompson Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [SPAM:#] Re: Origins of Sellenger's Round To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20030916.104435.-109445.2.AllisonThompson-AT-juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I would be very very careful with anything that Alford wrote. A talented and enthusiastic writer, she was a victim of the early romantic views of folklore & was part of the group that sought to find Ancient Origins for everything, a la Frazier. I have no further information on their sources, but would be interested to know if anyone else has been more successful. Allison Thompson On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 10:41:08 +1000 John Garden writes: > Violet Alford and Rodney Gallop wrote in their 1935 book 'The > Traditional Dance' that many early English rounds: > > 'might have been Maypole dances but ... we know only one which > was > certainly thus used. This is Sellenger's Round or the Beginning of > the > World... Here at last is something we are certain of, for this was > "danced in moonshine nights about Maypoles", as long ago as > Elizabeth's > dancing days and before them. It appears again in a "Garland" of > tunes > with a woodcut of men and women in a hands-all ring round a Maypole, > and to make assurance is marked "Hey for Sellenger's Round".' > > Does anyone know these two works from which Alford and Gallop are > quoting- > and in the second of which there is also the illustration? (they > don't > burden their eminently readible and enjoyable work with footnotes) > Can anyone offer me leads to hard or electronic copies of these > works - or > point me to any other iconographic or literary evidence (as opposed > to > morphological indications) of a link between early rounds and > Maypole > dancing? > > Many thanks, John Garden > > ----------------------------------------------------- > http://www.earthlydelights.com.au > Music, Dance & Costumes > ----------------------------------------------------- > > > > > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 12:58:28 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 12:49:57 -0700 From: bruce_hamilton-AT-agilent.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: Digesting To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Well, I'll stand with Steve Corrsin on this one. We can mourn our friends, bemoan the catastrophe and say how we personally are dealing with it, all without "International vigilantism seems to mark the foreign policy of the US it maintains its former manner of selfish arrogance in its dealings with the other nations of the world." Sorry, Cammy, that *is* a political message. Graham's point (extremely well put, as usual), suggesting that we accept this stuff as part of who is posting, is a weak justification. It admits *any* category into the list (who, knowing me, would not be interested in how cute this cat is that Jo & I are trying to adopt?), and admits all replies -- pro and con -- and all replies to *those* replies, ad infinitum. Posts about governments' foreign policy, especially when couched in loaded terms, are potent bait for off-topic followups. It's good list hygiene to label them as such and to complain promptly and briefly. That's exactly what Steve did. -Bruce bruce_hamilton-AT-agilent.com Tel: +1 650 485 2818 Fax: +1 650 485 4917 Agilent Technologies MS 24M-A, 3500 Deer Creek Road, Palo Alto CA 94303 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 14:35:05 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 16:34:52 -0500 From: Jonathan Sivier Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: dance history questions To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20030916163452.A6736-AT-uiuc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT A couple of short questions on the history of some dance figures. Does anyone know when the Grand Square figure began to be danced both forward and in reverse? Hunsdon House from 1st Edition Playford seems to just be danced in the one direction. I've seem some descriptions of Lancers from the late 1800's which seem to be danced in both directions, and with modern square dances today it is usually done both forward and then in reverse. Is there any good idea as to when the change came about? Does anyone know when the meaning of the word "allemand" changed? The figure in the 1700's is much more involved than what we think of today. Both are turns, so perhaps it's not a huge change in meaning and both take the same amount of time so they may be interchangable. However if you were reading the description of a dance from the 1820's and it mentioned an allemand, which type of figure would you guess it to be? Thanks for any enlightenment. Jonathan ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Jonathan Sivier |Q: How many angels can dance on the | | jsivier-AT-uiuc.edu | head of a pin? | | Flight Simulation Lab |A: It depends on what dance you call. | | Beckman Institute | | | 405 N. 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I think we are all aware that personal opinions about the state of the world, politics, religion, race, botany, health/death/etc... of various individuals... in short, anything that does not directly pertain to the exchange of ideas on the use and practice of English Country Dancing and discussions on the historical information and its interpretation is outside the domain of discussion on this list. As I tried to explain in my previous apology, my message was decidedly "off-topic" and was clearly labeled as such in the subject line. (Indeed it probably mentions all those things I listed above as not within the domain of this list). Nevertheless, as with my morris list, there are many members who knew Chris and Steve and would like to hear what I have to say about them and how I process my grief. A majority of these are not known to me and so contacting them "off-list" is not an option. This was my message's only relevance to this list. I had mistakenly thought that by designating it as off-topic, my message could be appreciated by those who would and ignored as the rantings of one of the nutty list members by the others. I should think that the excerpt you quoted would be clearly the personal opinion of the writer to all but the densest of readers. It explained why I am "a bit more grieved" and underscored my words of encouragement to list members to continue to dance, play music, congregate in social gatherings and continue to do "the little things we do as individuals on a daily basis..." as particularly important. Whatever one's read on this, I for one never intended to cause further distress to ANY of the lists membership. I appreciate your speaking up. What if I simply submitted a subject line with no content to the list so those who enjoy hearing off topic items from me (like this annual tribute and my annual valentine's poem) would know to contact me off-list? My love to you all, Cammy ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 19:39:47 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:42:15 +1000 From: John Garden Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Dance history questions To: "ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I'm glad you asked that question about the 'allemande' as I've also longed to see some thorough study of the use of the term. I'm pretty sure, however, whoever does this study is going to find that there was never a period when it was used in the same way by all. I don't have my sources handy at the moment, but from the late 18th to mid 19th century it was variously used to describe: - a turn in a back hold (partners side-by-side facing in opposite direction right hand in right, left hand in left- as in lots of 18th century illustrations - and as in one of the move favoured mid-19th century mazurka 'tour' holds) - a caste in a side-by-side cross-arm (or over the shoulder) promenade hold (either going 'round with the Allemand till they come in their places again' as in 'Pleasures of the Town' or doing the same but finishing progress as in my version of 'Duke of Kent's Waltz'), - a simple circling of one another (this seems to be what Thomas Wilson depicts in his illustration of the figure of that name in his 'Analysis...' - it looks like a gypsy- but it may well involve an arm or hand). The many different interpretations may have been the result of the term being used more generally in the early 1700s for any dance which had the knotty interweaving of arms so characteristic of German folk dancing (then and now)- so when people wanted later to use the term more specifically for a particular arm/hand-involving movement, different people ended up using the term for different figures in this family of moves. The various meanings then went off in their own direction - Royal Society Scottish Country dancing using the term today in its sense of a progressive high promenade caste, American contra & square dancing for a simple hand or arm turn, and some ECDers for a nice cross between a do-si-do, a gypsy and hand turn (the W dsds while the M gypsy's around her holding a hand raised). To go back in the other chronological direction, I think it would be difficult to judge whether the term came in with a new dance from Germany following some early 18th century French victory, or was simply an extension of the used of the renaissance term 'Almain' and whether the term comes from the French for 'German' or for 'by the hand' ... or whether indeed the early users of the term were happy to imply both simultataneously (as in a pun). Looking forward to other contributions! John Garden ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.earthlydelights.com.au DANCE PUBLICATIONS: The Christmas Carol Dance Book The Lost Dances of Earthly Delights DANCE EVENTS: Monthly English Country/Contra Dances Weekly Sunday Dance Afternoons "Dancing on the Lake" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Sivier [mailto:jsivier-AT-UIUC.EDU] Sent: Wednesday, 17 September 2003 7:35 AM To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: dance history questions A couple of short questions on the history of some dance figures. Does anyone know when the Grand Square figure began to be danced both forward and in reverse? Hunsdon House from 1st Edition Playford seems to just be danced in the one direction. I've seem some descriptions of Lancers from the late 1800's which seem to be danced in both directions, and with modern square dances today it is usually done both forward and then in reverse. Is there any good idea as to when the change came about? Does anyone know when the meaning of the word "allemand" changed? The figure in the 1700's is much more involved than what we think of today. Both are turns, so perhaps it's not a huge change in meaning and both take the same amount of time so they may be interchangable. However if you were reading the description of a dance from the 1820's and it mentioned an allemand, which type of figure would you guess it to be? Thanks for any enlightenment. Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 20:43:21 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 20:43:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Lyrl Ahern Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: Digesting To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20030917034315.35789.qmail-AT-web13804.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > (who, knowing me, would not be interested in how cute > this cat is that Jo & I are trying to adopt?) So, Bruce, tell me about the cat! Did something happen to one of the old ones? I just got a new one. Cricket, six pounds of sealpoint, died on August 2nd, aged 21 1/2. I have adopted through Siamese Rescue (it's like adopting a kid, with all the paperwork and references). I got a medium-sized young bluepoint. If you look at va.siameserescue.org, under "Adopted" you will see Anchovy. "A" came up when this cat was fostered, so the foster mother gave her the name Anchovy, never thinking it would be kept. All my friends think it's cute; I call her Chovi. It's actually *Princess* Anchovy, and you'd better believe it. She hasn't met Andrew's Neo yet, 14+ pounds of tiger. He did come and hiss at her as I was bringing her in--I never heard a cat hiss so loud. She was not amused...or particularly upset. I was told she is not aggressive but stands her ground. Good luck getting the cat you want. Purrs, Lyrl __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 21:03:16 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 21:03:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Lyrl Ahern Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: Digesting To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20030917040309.52346.qmail-AT-web13808.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --- Lyrl Ahern wrote: > > (who, knowing me, would not be interested in how > > cute this cat is that Jo & I are trying to adopt?) > > So, Bruce, tell me about the cat! etc. Sorry, everybody, that was supposted to go directly to Bruce. Lyrl (preoccupied by cats) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 21:44:22 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 23:43:09 -0500 From: Paul Stamler Subject: Re: Digesting the "Tribute - off topic but many of you may have known Chris Carstanjen and Steve Adams" To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <002801c37cd6$32c93ac0$4168550c-AT-paulstam> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: ----- Original Message ----- From: Campbell Kaynor <> Or, if you have a website where you can post pieces, you could send a message to the list that gave a sentence or two telling what the OT subject was, and include a link. That's done all the time on another list I subscribe to, for folk dj's. Personally, I didn't mind, but then my tolerance for digression seems to be unusually high. Peace Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 06:37:04 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:36:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "Priscilla M. Burrage" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: Digesting To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <20030917040309.52346.qmail-AT-web13808.mail.yahoo.com> On Tue, 16 Sep 2003, Lyrl Ahern wrote: > > --- Lyrl Ahern wrote: > > > > (who, knowing me, would not be interested in how > > > cute this cat is that Jo & I are trying to adopt?) > > > > So, Bruce, tell me about the cat! > > etc. > > Sorry, everybody, that was supposted to go directly to > Bruce. Glad it didn't. We decided against a new cat, but the neighbor's cat has adopted us. We're are its "people. Yes, they still "own" it, if one can be said to "own" a cat. From Priscilla, who lived through WWII. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Priscilla Burrage Vermont US (Priscilla.Burrage-AT-uvm.edu) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 08:03:18 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:02:57 -0400 (EDT) From: JBGrun-AT-aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Digesting To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <180.1fb66ea2.2c99d1a1-AT-aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 9/17/03 12:14:23 AM, lyrl-AT-yahoo.com writes: << Sorry, everybody, that was supposted to go directly to Bruce. >> I'M disappointed, I'd hoped it was the start of a new thread--perhaps a discussion of the Mexican Cat Dance.... Judy Grunberg -- whose black cat, Nurnsie, brings in chipmunks, snakes & small rabbits & just LETS THEM LOOSE IN THE STUDIO. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 08:40:29 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 08:40:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Vincent Subject: Re: Digesting Cats To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <20030917154021.80484.qmail-AT-web12202.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I've heard of the Mexican *Hat* Dance, but not *Cat* Dance. Sounds like it would be 'zesty' (since cats are generally more mobile than hats). Definitely improper, too. :) --- JBGrun-AT-aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 9/17/03 12:14:23 AM, > lyrl-AT-yahoo.com writes: > > << Sorry, everybody, that was supposted to go > directly to > Bruce. >> > > I'M disappointed, I'd hoped it was the start of a > new thread--perhaps a > discussion of the Mexican Cat Dance.... > > Judy Grunberg -- whose black cat, Nurnsie, brings in > chipmunks, snakes & > small rabbits & just LETS THEM LOOSE IN THE STUDIO. ===== Tom Vincent I looked up the definition of 'liberal' in a Random House dictionary. It gave the synonyms for 'liberal' as 'progressive', 'broad-minded', 'unprejudiced', 'beneficent'. The antonyms it offered: 'reactionary' and 'intolerant'. -- Walter Cronkite www.deanforamerica.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 08:44:17 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:44:44 -0400 From: "Emily L. Ferguson" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Digesting To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <180.1fb66ea2.2c99d1a1-AT-aol.com> Glad to know about siamese recuse. Lyrl, did you meet the other Mass. cat along the way? Hmm. I guess it's time to take this off list.... -- Emily L. Ferguson mailto:elf-AT-cape.com 508-563-6822 New England landscapes, wooden boats and races, press photography http://www.vsu.cape.com/~elf ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:01:09 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:00:57 -0400 From: C Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: Digesting Cats To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Oooooh, so THAT'S what ECD stands for ===> English "Cat-ry" Dance! Ok, I'll stop while you all still like me . . . Cara ;-) -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [mailto:owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of Tom Vincent Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 11:40 AM To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Digesting Cats I've heard of the Mexican *Hat* Dance, but not *Cat* Dance. Sounds like it would be 'zesty' (since cats are generally more mobile than hats). Definitely improper, too. :) --- JBGrun-AT-aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 9/17/03 12:14:23 AM, > lyrl-AT-yahoo.com writes: > > << Sorry, everybody, that was supposted to go > directly to > Bruce. >> > > I'M disappointed, I'd hoped it was the start of a > new thread--perhaps a > discussion of the Mexican Cat Dance.... > > Judy Grunberg -- whose black cat, Nurnsie, brings in chipmunks, snakes > & small rabbits & just LETS THEM LOOSE IN THE STUDIO. ===== Tom Vincent I looked up the definition of 'liberal' in a Random House dictionary. It gave the synonyms for 'liberal' as 'progressive', 'broad-minded', 'unprejudiced', 'beneficent'. The antonyms it offered: 'reactionary' and 'intolerant'. -- Walter Cronkite www.deanforamerica.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:15:18 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:13:53 -0700 From: Vickie Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Sea World To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Our little group brought ECD to Sea World in San Diego this past weekend as part of "An American Colonial Experience." Photos may be viewed at: http://davebon.netfirms.com/SeaWorld.html We'll be back again this coming weekend, and we'll be lacking some dancers if anyone will be in the area and wants to join us. Best regards, Ed ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:25:33 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:25:16 -0400 From: Joyce Crouch Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Digesting To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hello, List friends, > Cricket...*Princess* Anchovy > the neighbor's cat has > adopted us. > black cat, Nurnsie, See what you started, Cammy????!!!!!?????? But at least it's taken a non-political turn. Regards to all, Joyce Crouch, who has been mourning anew the multitudinous Sept 11 losses, especially our irreplaceable Chris Carstanjen & Steve Adams; who agrees with Steve Corrsin & Bruce Hamilton about keeping national/international political views off the ECD List; and who used to own a beloved cat, now deceased. (Bonnie) ================================================================= Joyce B Crouch Telephone: 413-549-4123 95 Pulpit Hill Road Fax: 413-549-7096 Amherst MA 01002 email: joycecrouch-AT-pobox.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:40:00 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:41:15 -0400 From: ellen tepper Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [SPAM:#] Re: Digesting Cats To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20030917.124115.-308241.4.etepper-AT-juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Have a look at my website for a photo of my cat playing the harp! She's got guts! (Actually she is terrified of being picked up, her claws are splayed and she is clawing a low (gut) E string trying to escape my grasp) Ellen www.ellentepper.com On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:00:57 -0400 C writes: > Oooooh, so THAT'S what ECD stands for ===> English "Cat-ry" Dance! > Ok, > I'll stop while you all still like me . . . Cara ;-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu > [mailto:owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of Tom > Vincent > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 11:40 AM > To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu > Subject: Re: Digesting Cats > > > I've heard of the Mexican *Hat* Dance, but not *Cat* > Dance. > > Sounds like it would be 'zesty' (since cats are > generally more mobile than hats). > > Definitely improper, too. :) > > --- JBGrun-AT-aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 9/17/03 12:14:23 AM, > > lyrl-AT-yahoo.com writes: > > > > << Sorry, everybody, that was supposted to go > > directly to > > Bruce. >> > > > > I'M disappointed, I'd hoped it was the start of a > > new thread--perhaps a > > discussion of the Mexican Cat Dance.... > > > > Judy Grunberg -- whose black cat, Nurnsie, brings in chipmunks, > snakes > > > & small rabbits & just LETS THEM LOOSE IN THE STUDIO. > > > ===== > Tom Vincent > > I looked up the definition of 'liberal' in a Random House > dictionary. It > gave the synonyms for 'liberal' as 'progressive', 'broad-minded', > 'unprejudiced', > 'beneficent'. The antonyms it offered: 'reactionary' and > 'intolerant'. > -- Walter Cronkite > > www.deanforamerica.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:46:51 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:45:28 -0700 From: "Ed St.Germain" Subject: Sea World To: ECD list Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <3F688FA7.476EC4E8-AT-AmericanRevolution.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT My apologies if this is a duplicate message, but I wasn't sure if it went through on the other computer. Our little group brought ECD to Sea World in San Diego this past weekend as part of their "An American Colonial Experience" special feature. Photos may be viewed at: http://davebon.netfirms.com/SeaWorld.html We'll be repeating our appearance this weekend, and anyone who'll be in the area is free to join us. Actually, we'll be a couple of persons short this weekend, if anyone is interested. Best regards, Ed ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:56:34 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:57:03 -0400 From: "Emily L. Ferguson" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Digesting To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: Surely there are some dog people on this list!!!!! And let's not digest cats, please..... -- Emily L. Ferguson mailto:elf-AT-cape.com 508-563-6822 New England landscapes, wooden boats and races, press photography http://www.vsu.cape.com/~elf ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 10:23:18 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 13:23:07 -0400 From: Campbell Kaynor Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Eating Cats To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Joyce Crouch To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Sent by: cc: owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.s Subject: Re: Digesting tanford.edu 17-Sep-2003 12:25 PM Please respond to ECD ... See what you started, Cammy????!!!!!?????? Joyce, Yes I see what I've started - a Cat astrophe! When I spoke of my grief, I was referring to "feelings" - not "felines!" CK ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 10:36:30 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 13:36:18 -0400 From: C Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: Digesting To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I'm more a dog person . . .so we'll change my earlier definition to: ECD = English Country "Dachshund"? :-) Ok, now I'll REALLY stop. -- C ;-) -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [mailto:owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of Emily L. Ferguson Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 12:57 PM To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Digesting Surely there are some dog people on this list!!!!! And let's not digest cats, please..... -- Emily L. Ferguson mailto:elf-AT-cape.com 508-563-6822 New England landscapes, wooden boats and races, press photography http://www.vsu.cape.com/~elf ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 10:58:58 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 13:54:13 -0400 From: pam-AT-tedcrane.com (Pamela Goddard) Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [SPAM:#] Re: Digesting Cats To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <03091713541328-AT-tedcrane.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT >Have a look at my website for a photo of my cat playing the harp! >She's got guts! Of course she's got guts. All cats got guts. Whadd'ya think they made fiddle strings from? -Pam (and Ted) Proud feeders of Willsey the cat with the Charlie Chaplin mustache. See: http://tedcrane.com/Photos/Willsey3_19980225.jpg http://tedcrane.com/Pam/Willsey_19990326.jpg ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:17:47 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 14:19:13 -0400 From: ellen tepper Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [SPAM:#] Re: [SPAM:#] Re: Digesting Cats To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20030917.141914.-308241.6.etepper-AT-juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Actually, the term "Cat Gut" is a misnomer. Strings are usually made of sheep gut (or the inferior beef). "Cat gut" derives from the Elizabethan "Kit fiddle" which was strung with gut---kit gut became cat gut. Your cats are safe! (no kitting!) Ellen ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:05:32 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:05:16 -0400 From: Stephanie Smith Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: cat and dog dancing To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20030917190516.EDNC25700.out004.verizon.net-AT-localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Okay, for you dog people out there, here's an article: Dog dancing classes launched to help pets http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_485334.html Me, I'm a 4-cat person myself, but haven't taught them to dance yet. Stephanie > From: C > Date: 2003/09/17 Wed PM 01:36:18 EDT > To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu > Subject: RE: Digesting > > I'm more a dog person . . .so we'll change my earlier definition to: > ECD = English Country "Dachshund"? :-) Ok, now I'll REALLY stop. -- C > ;-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu > [mailto:owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of Emily L. > Ferguson > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 12:57 PM > To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu > Subject: Re: Digesting > > > Surely there are some dog people on this list!!!!! > > And let's not digest cats, please..... > -- > Emily L. Ferguson > mailto:elf-AT-cape.com > 508-563-6822 > New England landscapes, wooden boats and races, press photography > http://www.vsu.cape.com/~elf > > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:06:04 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 10:29:24 -0700 From: Paul / Victoria Bestock Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Victor Skowronski Dances Available Online To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20030917102532.00a28510-AT-mail.oz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi, I had acrobat reader 4.00 I tried to look at your Victor Skowronski descriptions, but all that showed up was a staff and stem lines. No dance descriptions, no note heads. I downloaded acrobat Reader 6. and then I got the dance description and note heads, but no staff lines or stem lines or bar lines-- just note heads floating in space. Suggestions? Vicky PS. Are all the dances longways duple minor? You don't mention formation. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:21:05 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:20:52 -0400 (EDT) From: "Roger W. Broseus" Subject: Re: cat and dog dancing To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <39128.148.184.176.32.1063826452.squirrel-AT-63.122.103.150> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <20030917190516.EDNC25700.out004.verizon.net-AT-localhost> Good gosh . . . what's this world coming to? Step dancing for Irish Sitters? Snort! -- Roger W. Broseus +-+-+-+ Stephanie Smith +-+-+-+ > Okay, for you dog people out there, here's an article: > Dog dancing classes launched to help pets > http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_485334.html > > Me, I'm a 4-cat person myself, but haven't taught them to dance yet. > > Stephanie > >> From: C >> Date: 2003/09/17 Wed PM 01:36:18 EDT >> To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu >> Subject: RE: Digesting >> >> I'm more a dog person . . .so we'll change my earlier definition to: >> ECD = English Country "Dachshund"? :-) Ok, now I'll REALLY stop. -- C >> ;-) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu >> [mailto:owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of Emily L. >> Ferguson >> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 12:57 PM >> To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu >> Subject: Re: Digesting >> >> >> Surely there are some dog people on this list!!!!! >> >> And let's not digest cats, please..... >> -- >> Emily L. Ferguson >> mailto:elf-AT-cape.com >> 508-563-6822 >> New England landscapes, wooden boats and races, press photography >> http://www.vsu.cape.com/~elf >> >> > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:22:02 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:21:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Vincent Subject: Re: cat and dog dancing To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <20030917192155.22041.qmail-AT-web12202.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT So, with 4 cats, they can only do things like Hearts Ease and Rufty Tufty. :) And, when you run the dance, are you doing cat calls? :) --- Stephanie Smith wrote: > > Me, I'm a 4-cat person myself, but haven't taught > them to dance yet. > > Stephanie ===== Tom Vincent I looked up the definition of 'liberal' in a Random House dictionary. It gave the synonyms for 'liberal' as 'progressive', 'broad-minded', 'unprejudiced', 'beneficent'. The antonyms it offered: 'reactionary' and 'intolerant'. -- Walter Cronkite www.deanforamerica.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 13:23:43 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 16:23:27 -0400 From: Jim Joyner Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: cat and dog dancing To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030917162154.0236ace0-AT-pop.erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ir5DPCuCCnZf2gUR6oNojg)" --Boundary_(ID_ir5DPCuCCnZf2gUR6oNojg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Cats? Dancing? Start with herding. At 03:05 PM 9/17/03 -0400, you wrote: >Okay, for you dog people out there, here's an article: >Dog dancing classes launched to help pets >http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_485334.html > >Me, I'm a 4-cat person myself, but haven't taught them to dance yet. > >Stephanie > > > From: C > > Date: 2003/09/17 Wed PM 01:36:18 EDT > > To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu > > Subject: RE: Digesting > > > > I'm more a dog person . . .so we'll change my earlier definition to: > > ECD = English Country "Dachshund"? :-) Ok, now I'll REALLY stop. -- C > > ;-) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu > > [mailto:owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of Emily L. > > Ferguson > > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 12:57 PM > > To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu > > Subject: Re: Digesting > > > > > > Surely there are some dog people on this list!!!!! > > > > And let's not digest cats, please..... > > -- > > Emily L. Ferguson > > mailto:elf-AT-cape.com > > 508-563-6822 > > New England landscapes, wooden boats and races, press photography > > http://www.vsu.cape.com/~elf > > > > --Boundary_(ID_ir5DPCuCCnZf2gUR6oNojg) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Cats?  Dancing?  Start with herding.

At 03:05 PM 9/17/03 -0400, you wrote:
Okay, for you dog people out there, here's an article:
Dog dancing classes launched to help pets
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_485334.html

Me, I'm a 4-cat person myself, but haven't taught them to dance yet.

Stephanie

> From: C <tootifluti-AT-EARTHLINK.NET>
> Date: 2003/09/17 Wed PM 01:36:18 EDT
> To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu
> Subject: RE: Digesting
>
> I'm more a dog person . . .so we'll change my earlier definition to:
> ECD = English Country "Dachshund"?  :-)  Ok, now I'll REALLY stop.  -- C
> ;-)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu
> [mailto:owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of Emily L.
> Ferguson
> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 12:57 PM
> To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu
> Subject: Re: Digesting
>
>
> Surely there are some dog people on this list!!!!!
>
> And let's not digest cats, please.....
> --
> Emily L. Ferguson
> mailto:elf-AT-cape.com
> 508-563-6822
> New England landscapes, wooden boats and races, press photography
> http://www.vsu.cape.com/~elf
>
>
--Boundary_(ID_ir5DPCuCCnZf2gUR6oNojg)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 14:38:53 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 17:39:20 -0400 From: "Emily L. Ferguson" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: cat and dog dancing To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030917162154.0236ace0-AT-pop.erols.com> At 4:23 PM -0400 9/17/03, Jim Joyner wrote: >Cats? Dancing? Start with herding. Oh, if you've ever seen cats herd, you know that after the birds are all in their cages, the cats do a dance to celebrate their success and skill. And, they sing while they're dancing, too! -- Emily L. Ferguson mailto:elf-AT-cape.com 508-563-6822 New England landscapes, wooden boats and races, press photography http://www.vsu.cape.com/~elf ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 14:53:38 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 14:52:19 -0700 From: Gary Shapiro Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: cat and dog dancing To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030917162154.0236ace0-AT-pop.erols.com> This subject reminds me of the Dover art the Santa Cruz ECD folks use on their flyers and web site: -- Gary ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 16:24:22 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 19:18:52 -0400 From: Anne Lowenthal Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: cat and dog dancing To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <006401c37d72$0f67a3e0$0e02a8c0-AT-annespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030917162154.0236ace0-AT-pop.erols.com> And then there's _Why Cats Paint: A Theory of Feline Aesthetics_, by Heather Busch and Burton Silver. Twelve major artists are represented, including Wong Wong and Lu Lu, Misty, Ginger, Princess, and Bootsie--Duo Painters, Formal Expansionist, Neo-Synthesist, Elemental Fragmentist, and Trans-Expressionist respectively. Chapter One offers a historical perspective, ranging from the earliest known paintings of a domestic cat (found in a previously unopened burial shaft in a tomb just beyond the west bank of the Nile) to the story of Mattisa, a painting cat of the 1880's. Anybody up for researching why cats dance? Anne Lowenthal, NYC ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 16:35:33 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 19:36:06 -0400 From: "Emily L. Ferguson" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: cat and dog dancing To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030917162154.0236ace0-AT-pop.erols.com> <006401c37d72$0f67a3e0$0e02a8c0-AT-annespc> At 7:18 PM -0400 9/17/03, Anne Lowenthal wrote: >Anybody up for researching why cats dance? Of course! It's evidence of their superior intellegence and clear understanding of how to express joy! -- Emily L. Ferguson mailto:elf-AT-cape.com 508-563-6822 New England landscapes, wooden boats and races, press photography http://www.vsu.cape.com/~elf ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 18:22:05 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 21:21:31 -0400 From: Maryn McKenna Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: cat and dog dancing To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030917211550.00a4c040-AT-mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030917162154.0236ace0-AT-pop.erols.com> <006401c37d72$0f67a3e0$0e02a8c0-AT-annespc> Someone was, apparently: "Dancing with Cats," by Burton Silver, et al. Chronicle Books (paper), 1999 ISBN 0811824152 from the flap copy: "While researching their groundbreaking book 'Why Cats Paint,' Burton Silver and Heather Busch discovered another phenomenon that seemed to merit further investigation - people who dance with their cats. Or, more accurately, cats who dance with their people. All around the world today, people are rediscovering the ancient practice of cat dancing, tapping into this remarkable method of channeling feline energy..." maryn neither of whose cats dance At 07:36 PM 9/17/03 -0400, you wrote: >At 7:18 PM -0400 9/17/03, Anne Lowenthal wrote: >>Anybody up for researching why cats dance? > >Of course! It's evidence of their superior intellegence and clear >understanding of how to express joy! -=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=- Maryn McKenna 404.881.9218 vox mmckenna-AT-mindspring.com 404.285.1175 cel -=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 21:19:49 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:19:31 +1000 From: jared-AT-netspace.net.au Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Playford Ball - Brisbane, QLD (Australia) To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <1063858771.3f69325354297-AT-webmail.netspace.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sellenger’s Round presents their 5th annual 18th century Playford Ball. Period Costume or Formal dress. At the EAGLEBY COMMUNITY HALL, FRYER ROAD, EAGLEBY Tickets: $30 and $20 concession Saturday 11th, October 2003, 7 pm until midnight Music: POTCHEEN Calling: GREENHILL Contact: Chris 07 3806 1343 tickets on sale at practices FREE BALL PRACTICES In the Community Centre, Cowper Avenue, Eagleby. Sundays 2-4 pm, 28th September, 5th October. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 22:48:19 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 22:47:38 -0700 From: Michael Silver Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Sacramento ECD This Sunday--New Location To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030917224738.009dc320-AT-mail.lanset.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT We're pleased to announce that our efforts to hold regular ECDs in the greater Sacramento area resulted in a successful first season, and now we're back for more! Year #2 begins this Sunday, Sept 21 with a dance from 2-5 pm at the First United Methodist Church, 109 Washington Blvd. in Roseville, off I-80. Sharon Green calling, with special guest musicians from the Bay Area: Janette Duncan, Duncan Mackintosh, and Rebecca King. Future dances for the year will generally be held on the second Sunday of each month. Program and locations can be found on the Sacramento Country Dance Society website: http://www.fussell.org/sacramento/index.htm Questions: Sue or David at (916)739-8906 or via email to davesue-AT-calweb.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 23:09:45 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 01:08:33 -0500 From: Paul Stamler Subject: Re: cat and dog dancing To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <001901c37dab$4aa7dae0$7e6b550c-AT-paulstam> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <20030917192155.22041.qmail-AT-web12202.mail.yahoo.com> --- Stephanie Smith wrote: > Me, I'm a 4-cat person myself, but haven't taught > them to dance yet. If you decide to try, they should probably start with something like a hula; may I recommend some of the excellent Hawaiian music being released on Dancing Cat records? Peace, Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 05:35:06 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 08:34:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Dfhart24-AT-aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: cat and dog dancing (+peaceable kingdom) To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <1df.101d8119.2c9b0060-AT-aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_5i9dzBcEZTcgRISOa+axcA)" --Boundary_(ID_5i9dzBcEZTcgRISOa+axcA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 9/17/2003 7:48:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, elf-AT-cape.com writes: > At 7:18 PM -0400 9/17/03, Anne Lowenthal wrote: > >Anybody up for researching why cats dance? > > Of course! It's evidence of their superior intellegence and clear > understanding of how to express joy! > > I have two bunnies (mini-lops) who dance. And they are the only mammals in this household who will peaceably stretch out at my feet while I play English Country Dance music; the rest, two- and four-footed alike, run screaming from the room. I also have a male cardinal who flaps against the window when I play. Cheer, Deborah --Boundary_(ID_5i9dzBcEZTcgRISOa+axcA) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 9/17/2003 7:48:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, elf-AT-cape.com writes:

At 7:18 PM -0400 9/17/03, Anne Lowenthal wrote:
>Anybody up for researching why cats dance?

Of course!  It's evidence of their superior intellegence and clear
understanding of how to express joy!



I have two bunnies (mini-lops) who dance.  And they are the only mammals in this household who will peaceably stretch out at my feet while I play English Country Dance music; the rest, two- and four-footed alike, run screaming from the room.

I also have a male cardinal who flaps against the window when I play.

Cheer,
Deborah --Boundary_(ID_5i9dzBcEZTcgRISOa+axcA)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 05:38:58 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 08:38:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Dfhart24-AT-aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: cat and dog dancing To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <1d0.110560a2.2c9b0154-AT-aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_oKPeMWUzQu7Kgut91RaLEQ)" --Boundary_(ID_oKPeMWUzQu7Kgut91RaLEQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT This thread is getting purrfectly silly. . . not to mention doggone ridiculous. Cheer, Deborah, ducking out the door to play trio sonatas. --Boundary_(ID_oKPeMWUzQu7Kgut91RaLEQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT This thread is getting purrfectly silly. . . not to mention doggone ridiculous.

Cheer,
Deborah, ducking out the door to play trio sonatas. --Boundary_(ID_oKPeMWUzQu7Kgut91RaLEQ)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 06:36:33 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:37:00 -0400 From: "Emily L. Ferguson" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: cat and dog dancing (+peaceable kingdom) To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <1df.101d8119.2c9b0060-AT-aol.com> At 8:34 AM -0400 9/18/03, Dfhart24-AT-AOL.COM wrote: >run screaming from the room. Anybody know what the acoustics is of reed instruments that causes some or all animals to dislike from the sound? My siamese lady cat, Caitlen, cried, not meowed, but actually cried , whenever I tried to practice. She would jump up in my lap and try to push my fingers off the fingerboard. My tomcat only runs at the sound of rattling plastic vacuum cleaner parts. He thinks every time the vacuum cleaner want gets bumped that the sound of the machine is not far away. -- Emily L. Ferguson mailto:elf-AT-cape.com 508-563-6822 New England landscapes, wooden boats and races, press photography http://www.vsu.cape.com/~elf ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 07:24:05 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 10:23:31 -0400 (EDT) From: LindaSuzan-AT-aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: cat and dog dancing (+peaceable kingdom) To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <10e.261fdf19.2c9b19e3-AT-aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_OG8FYHTi4X9gpuvEA5Twcw)" --Boundary_(ID_OG8FYHTi4X9gpuvEA5Twcw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I had a huge Samoyed, Snowflake, who was a lean 90 lbs who would appear like magic whenever he heard the clarinet case being opened. He would howl along for as long as I chose to practice - this could explain a lot!! Linda --Boundary_(ID_OG8FYHTi4X9gpuvEA5Twcw) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I had a huge Samoyed, Snowflake, who was a lean 90 lbs who would appear like magic whenever he heard the clarinet case being opened.  He would howl along for as long as I chose to practice - this could explain a lot!!
Linda --Boundary_(ID_OG8FYHTi4X9gpuvEA5Twcw)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 07:25:42 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 10:06:51 -0400 From: Gene Murrow Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [SPAM:#] Re: cat and dog dancing (+peaceable kingdom) To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20030918.100658.-39297.25.gmurrow-AT-juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Unruly internet culture strikes again... there's just no controlling this beast. Not to mention the "law of unintended consequences," by which Bruce's off-hand remark in aid of suppressing off-topic clutter on the list itself produces this wild and crazy thread of off-topic clutter. English country dancing to... 9/11 to... dancing cats. I suppose I'll have to teach Purcell's "Kit Kat Club" at next Tuesday's CD*NY dance. Gene Murrow dog person, actually ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Permanent address: - for your Address book ISP of the moment: - "Reply" button destination ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 07:43:14 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 10:42:47 -0400 (EDT) From: JBGrun-AT-aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Eating Cats To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <55.47d904fd.2c9b1e67-AT-aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 9/17/03 1:34:11 PM, Campbell_Kaynor-AT-BIOGEN.COM writes: << Yes I see what I've started - a Cat astrophe! >> This whole episode has been quite a-MEW-sing. Judy G ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:30:40 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:29:28 -0500 From: Paul Stamler Subject: Re: cat and dog dancing (+peaceable kingdom) To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <003b01c37e02$0894a6e0$0f6d550c-AT-paulstam> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <1df.101d8119.2c9b0060-AT-aol.com> <> They tend to be rich in high harmonics, similar to many animals' distress calls. So are fiddles, for that matter -- what do animals do with those? Peace, Paul (still remembering how my German Shepherd went berserk the first time someone played a bassoon in our house) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 10:06:00 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 12:05:16 -0500 From: "Morgan, James J" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Cat Dancing - japan To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <244A4457EB02E942BCB26BB535AFF3C0F16C83-AT-iu-mssg-mbx03.exchange.iu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Per the wonderful Japanese Manga books "Michael", cats dance when they are embarrassed. The author has some wonderful illustrations of the cat doing a bon-odori after missing it's pounce on a small animal. Also there's one sequence where a TV video crew visits the home of a man who claims his cat dances. (After a long sequence, the cat finally does a dance, then they discover there's no film in their camera, and all begin a dance.) Nothing that ressembles country dancing, of course. Dancing in formations (couples in squares and lines) seems to have been a West European invention, perhaps even English. At least I never saw anything remotely resembling a formation in japanese dances. Not to say that West European cats have gotten it either. I happened on this ECD digest discussion after the discussion of what was appropriate for the list, and I must say it was a pleasant change. Jim ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 10:27:03 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 10:26:39 -0700 From: Jon Berger Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Cat Dancing - worldwide To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3F69EACF.20006-AT-sbcglobal.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <244A4457EB02E942BCB26BB535AFF3C0F16C83-AT-iu-mssg-mbx03.exchange.iu.edu> Those of you who have read the wonderful book "Dancing With Cats," by Heather Busch and Burton Silver, will want to check out the exhibition of dancing-cat photography at the online Museum of Non-Primate Art: http://www.monpa.com/dwc/exhibition1/index.html Those of you who haven't read the book should run right out and buy it, along with companion volumes "Why Cats Paint" and "Why Paint Cats?" -- Jon Berger http://pages.sbcglobal.net/jberger ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 12:37:41 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 15:37:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Dfhart24-AT-aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [SPAM:#] Re: cat and dog dancing (+peaceable kingdom) To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <1d4.11136a40.2c9b6367-AT-aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_fykM9seAc8PbuMpOfJsd2A)" --Boundary_(ID_fykM9seAc8PbuMpOfJsd2A) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 9/18/2003 10:40:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gmurrow-AT-juno.com writes: > Unruly internet culture strikes again... there's just no controlling this > beast. Not to mention the "law of unintended consequences," by which > Bruce's off-hand remark in aid of suppressing off-topic clutter on the > list itself produces this wild and crazy thread of off-topic clutter. > > English country dancing to... 9/11 to... dancing cats. I suppose I'll > have to teach Purcell's "Kit Kat Club" at next Tuesday's CD*NY dance. > > Gene Murrow > dog person, actually > > Yah, Gene. It would have been better to have let sleeping dogs lie, would it not? I have noticed the wisdom of this again and again. Anyway, I can't remember having ever done "Kit Kat Club" though I had wondered about it as one of my bunnies (resurgent clutter) was, independently of said tune/dance, named Kit Kat. The other being Hip Hop. (Unfortunately, my daughter had vetoed my naming Hip Hop's companion Be Bop, as she was born too late for that to find any resonance in her experience.) So -- widely groping for some ECD relevance -- is there anything wrong with Kit Kat Club, that I should not have happened to have ever done it? I think I'll go look up the tune. . . hanging on by a whisker, or, is it a thread. . . Deborah, warm-blooded animal lover --Boundary_(ID_fykM9seAc8PbuMpOfJsd2A) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 9/18/2003 10:40:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gmurrow-AT-juno.com writes:

Unruly internet culture strikes again... there's just no controlling this
beast.  Not to mention the "law of unintended consequences," by which
Bruce's off-hand remark in aid of suppressing off-topic clutter on the
list itself produces this wild and crazy thread of off-topic clutter.

English country dancing to... 9/11 to... dancing cats.  I suppose I'll
have to teach Purcell's "Kit Kat Club" at next Tuesday's CD*NY dance.

Gene Murrow
dog person, actually



Yah, Gene.  It would have been better to have let sleeping dogs lie, would it not?  I have noticed the wisdom of this again and again.

Anyway, I can't remember having ever done "Kit Kat Club" though I had wondered about it as one of my bunnies (resurgent clutter) was, independently of said tune/dance, named Kit Kat.  The other being Hip Hop.  (Unfortunately, my daughter had vetoed my naming Hip Hop's companion Be Bop, as she was born too late for that to find any resonance in her experience.) 

So -- widely groping for some ECD relevance -- is there anything wrong with Kit Kat Club, that I should not have happened to have ever done it?  I think I'll go look up the tune. . .

hanging on by a whisker, or, is it a thread. . .
Deborah,  warm-blooded animal lover --Boundary_(ID_fykM9seAc8PbuMpOfJsd2A)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 19:32:11 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:31:26 -0400 From: DavBarnert-AT-aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: To: ecd-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <1BEFF741.39041697.0ACF18CD-AT-aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Vicky wrote: >I had acrobat reader 4.00 I tried to look at your Victor >Skowronski descriptions, but all that showed up was a staff and >stem lines. No dance descriptions, no note heads. > >I downloaded acrobat Reader 6. and then I got the dance >description and note heads, but no staff lines or stem lines or >bar lines-- just note heads floating in space. Displaying music on a computer screen is a well-known problem among those of us who do it often. The Adobe software does not know what music is, and attempts to display it according to rules that assume things that are just not true for music. The main problem is the horizontal staff lines, which are often so thin that the software thinks it's OK to display them as white or as the average color of all the stuff under the pixels in which they appear, which is usually a light gray. It doesn't know that there will be many horizontal lines that must be rendered as black and one pixel thick, and that they must be evenly spaced, even if their calculated locations place them between horizontal rows of pixels. All these problems go away if you view it in a magnified view (400% or so) or print it on a 300dpi or better printer. It should print fine, even with software that doesn't know how to display it on a screen. ______ /\/\/\/\ <______> | | | | | David Barnert <______> | | | | | <______> | | | | | Albany, NY <______> \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 21:54:31 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 23:52:56 -0500 From: Paul Stamler Subject: Re: To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <001601c37e69$e4e53bc0$3986550c-AT-paulstam> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <1BEFF741.39041697.0ACF18CD-AT-aol.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: <> [rest of explanation snipped] Perhaps it might be good to post music in ABC notation, which is translatable to standard notation using any of several programs, some of which are free, the rest quite cheap. And it's darn near mangle-proof, as it's just ASCII text. Peace, Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 23:52:59 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 23:57:43 -0700 From: Paul / Victoria Bestock Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: dance floors To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20030918235056.00a91930-AT-mail.oz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi folks The place we dance has a rotten floor -- tile on cement, sticky surface causing knee and hip joint strain-- but they are going to remodel and they actually are asking the dancers what we'd like! I know we want a sprung floor, fairly slippery, non-toxic, but I need specifics on how to do it, (will the architect now how to build a sprung floor or will I have to tell him?) and especially what to use for finish. Thanks for any help you can give. THe committee is meeting with the architect on Tuesday, so we don't have a lot of time for researdh. I know there was some info on floors a few years ago which I saved but that was on another computer and the besides the wretch is dead. Victoria. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 00:48:46 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 00:48:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: cat and dog dancing To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20030919074817.50097.qmail-AT-web20004.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --- "Emily L. Ferguson" wrote: > Oh, if you've ever seen cats herd, you know that after the birds > are all in their cages, the cats do a dance to celebrate their > success and skill. And, they sing while they're dancing, too! My biggest cat went nuts when she was sitting in the window watching a seagull. It was a much stronger reaction than she has to sparrows. I don't think she realized that the seagull was bigger than her. A friend of mine recently moved to a five acre place in the country where she can have her horses at home instead of boarding them. One day she had to stay in the city until late in the evening, and a friend who has Chihuahuas went out to feed her animals. Have you ever seen a Chihuahua herd horses? Andy in PDX OR __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 01:53:35 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 01:53:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Digesting To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20030919085317.5859.qmail-AT-web20005.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --- JBGrun-AT-aol.com wrote: > Judy Grunberg -- whose black cat, Nurnsie, brings in chipmunks, > snakes & small rabbits & just LETS THEM LOOSE IN THE STUDIO. I once had three cats who specialized. The oldest brought in voles, the other female caught chipmunks, and the male caught gray squirrels. Andy in PDX OR __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 03:49:31 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 03:49:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Benjamin Stein Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: cat and dog dancing To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20030919104900.68386.qmail-AT-web41501.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --- Andy Peterson wrote: > --- "Emily L. Ferguson" wrote: > > Oh, if you've ever seen cats herd, you know that after > the birds > > are all in their cages, the cats do a dance to > celebrate their > > success and skill. And, they sing while they're > dancing, too! > > My biggest cat went nuts when she was sitting in the > window watching > a seagull. It was a much stronger reaction than she has > to sparrows. > I don't think she realized that the seagull was bigger > than her. > > A friend of mine recently moved to a five acre place in > the country > where she can have her horses at home instead of boarding > them. One > day she had to stay in the city until late in the > evening, and a > friend who has Chihuahuas went out to feed her animals. > Have you ever > seen a Chihuahua herd horses? > > Andy in PDX OR The Arcitect should know the choices and how to giveyou what you want. There are a number of choices, different prices and different conditions. A true "sprung floor" is supported separately on wood joists or is supported by wooden springs-it is not only very expensive but takes up a lot of vertica space. You can come close with other alternatives I will list them in descending order of cost. 1. a wood subfloor, covered by a hardwood floor on wood sleepers and springs-excellent but very costly and does take space. A wood subfloor, covered with a hardwood strip floor on wood "sleepers" supported with neoprene cushions=Quite good and reasonable-I used this in several school buildings, including the one where we have our Harvest Social. A wood subfloor supported on wood sleepers-no neoprene cushions. Notas good but cheaper. A hardwoood block floor (not recommended), A hardwood tile floor, also not recommended=just a step better than a vinyl or asphalt tile floor. In any case get professional advice=particularly in watching for adequate room for movement of the floor. Ben Stein Retired Architect. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design > software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 06:33:09 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 09:32:38 -0400 (EDT) From: "Priscilla M. Burrage" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: dance floors To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <5.1.0.14.1.20030918235056.00a91930-AT-mail.oz.net> On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Paul / Victoria Bestock wrote: > The place we dance has a rotten floor -- tile on cement, sticky surface > causing knee and hip joint strain-- but they are going to remodel and they > actually are asking the dancers what we'd like! Thank them profusely! > > I know we want a sprung floor, fairly slippery, non-toxic, but I need > specifics on how to do it, (will the architect now how to build a sprung > floor or will I have to tell him?) and especially what to use for finish. Ask them for a gym floor with maximum give when the player lands. The newer gym floors are being designed like this now as so many young people have damaged their joints on the old no-give floors. Are they modifying the air-conditioning also? We find that AAAC systems designed for ten sweaty basketball players and a seated audience just can't handle 100 sweaty dancers and five seated musicians. . . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Priscilla Burrage Vermont US (Priscilla.Burrage-AT-uvm.edu) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 06:58:11 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 09:57:52 -0400 From: Campbell Kaynor Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: dance floors To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Just a few of my personal opinions- Finish; My opinion is that coatings like polyurethane should be avoided if at all possible. However, if the wood is soft, you need some sort of barrier in order to avoid annual sanding and not too far distant replacement as the boards get thinner. The problems with most is that they look spectacular immediately after they are done and they look scuffed after dancing (even with stringent reg.s on dancing footwear and non-street shoes - road salt in particular is devastating) so the halls tend to blame the dancers for the condition of the floor. ECD does much less damage than contra, but you can still tell where the sets were lined up after everyone goes home. There are finishes that are less scuffable, but they often have other problems. Wood; The old fashion dance halls are the best in my opinion. They have hardwood (usually hard Oak or Maple in New England) floors that are best left unfinished. Some sort of treatment that soaks into the top layer and keeps the wood from drying out, cracking or splintering, and keeps it moist is the best. Some people run an oiled rag on the push broom up and down the floor periodically. Structural; "Sprung floors" are often hard to get past code requirements. It is always worth a try, but if it is not possible, a regular floor can be installed with a gap between it and the cement underneath. This is at least way preferable to the tile on cement. One guy built a dance hall in CT. He could not get permission to build a spring floor, so he invented an alternate way to get the same sensation. Being in the demolition business, he built his hall using old bowling alley for the flooring and supported it on piles of gigantic tires (from large construction equipment)! I'm not sure how legal it was, but it worked. Remedies for floors that are problematic during the evening of dance include corn meal, detergent, wet mopping, wax, etc... I've seen all of them used to good effect depending on the problem and the floor. Cammy ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 07:03:26 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 07:02:35 -0700 From: Jon Berger Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: dance floors To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3F6B0C7B.30302-AT-sbcglobal.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <5.1.0.14.1.20030918235056.00a91930-AT-mail.oz.net> Very intersting subject. On a much smaller scale, we're about to remodel our garage, and one of the things we'll be building is a small room that we're going to use for music and dance practice. Kalia, my wife, is a clogger, and she wants a very resilient wood floor. It's going in over a cement slab. Does anyone have any ideas about flooring material, or references to information about building small-scale floors for dancing, or experience building dance floors? -- Jon Berger http://pages.sbcglobal.net/jberger ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 07:29:00 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 10:30:32 -0400 From: Deb Karl Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: dance floors-how about a resource page? To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3F6B1308.3126DBCD-AT-wi.mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <5.1.0.14.1.20030918235056.00a91930-AT-mail.oz.net> <3F6B0C7B.30302-AT-sbcglobal.net> Dance floors (construction & finishes) come up as topics on this List and rec.folk-dancing several times a year. It'd be terrific if someone could create/maintain a resource website (linked from the ECD List page, NEFFA, etc) which pulled together the information generated in these discussions, with comments and product & vendor links, for us all to refer to. Any volunteers?? :-) --Deb ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 07:44:42 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 10:46:26 -0400 From: Deb Karl Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: off-topic heads up: new Swen worm is distributing To: ECD list Message-ID: <3F6B16C1.CCA1F5D7-AT-wi.mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT there's a new version of the Swen worm coursing through the Internet. In some versions, it pretends to be an email notice from Microsoft of a security patch. BE WARY OF ANY EMAILS PURPORTING TO BE A PATCH. For an example, & instructions on what to do, please see Symantec's site: http://www.sarc.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.swen.a-AT-mm.html I've received 35 variations of this email thus far this morning. Sorry to clutter the List with noncat discussion, but I thought you Windows users might want to be alerted to update virus definitions this morning. --Deb, once again happy to be a Mac user ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 07:53:28 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 10:53:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Terence Gaffney Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: dance floors To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT There are some new technologies out there that you want to think about. I'm told that the floors in the new SpringStep dance facility in Medford, close to Boston Mass rest on thousands of rubber disks shaped like hockey pucks. If you are interested contact info can be found at http://www.springstep.org/. If you are curious about this new facility, CDS-Boston Centre will be having its Fall Favorites dance there on Nov 1. Information on the event can be found at http://www.cds-boston.org/ Best, Terry ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 08:01:32 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 11:01:07 -0400 From: "Emily L. Ferguson" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: dance floors To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <5.1.0.14.1.20030918235056.00a91930-AT-mail.oz.net> <3F6B0C7B.30302-AT-sbcglobal.net> At 7:02 AM -0700 9/19/03, Jon Berger wrote: >is a small room that we're going to use for music and dance >practice. It's going in over a cement slab. Put it in the loft of the garage. You simply can't put a resiliant surface on top of cement. My local private school tried - sub flooring, strapping, springy thingies, oak. Hard as cement anyway. -- Emily L. Ferguson mailto:elf-AT-cape.com 508-563-6822 New England landscapes, wooden boats and races, press photography http://www.vsu.cape.com/~elf ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 08:08:46 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 11:08:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Dfhart24-AT-aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: dance floors To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <18b.1fa723e8.2c9c75e5-AT-aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_rLTtRerT27sygt6LMBl00g)" --Boundary_(ID_rLTtRerT27sygt6LMBl00g) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 9/19/2003 10:23:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Campbell_Kaynor-AT-biogen.com writes: > One guy built a dance hall in CT. He could not get permission to build a > spring floor, so he invented an alternate way to get the same sensation. > Being in the demolition business, he built his hall using old bowling alley > for the flooring and supported it on piles of gigantic tires (from large > construction equipment)! I'm not sure how legal it was, but it worked. > This was closed down by "the Authorities" soon after it was first opened for a dance. After years of wrangling and stand-offs with the police, code issues and problems with taxes, the owner died, with nothing resolved. I believe the daughter was allowed to purchase the place, but as far as I know, it has never again been used as a dance hall. Pity. Cheer, Deborah --Boundary_(ID_rLTtRerT27sygt6LMBl00g) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 9/19/2003 10:23:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Campbell_Kaynor-AT-biogen.com writes:

One guy built a dance hall in CT. He could not get permission to build a
spring floor, so he invented an alternate way to get the same sensation.
Being in the demolition business, he built his hall using old bowling alley
for the flooring and supported it on piles of gigantic tires (from large
construction equipment)! I'm not sure how legal it was, but it worked.


This was closed down by "the Authorities" soon after it was first opened for a dance.  After years of wrangling and stand-offs with the police, code issues and problems with taxes, the owner died, with nothing resolved.  I believe the daughter was allowed to purchase the place, but as far as I know, it has never again been used as a dance hall.  Pity.

Cheer,
Deborah --Boundary_(ID_rLTtRerT27sygt6LMBl00g)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 08:35:48 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 11:30:53 -0400 From: pam-AT-tedcrane.com (Pamela Goddard) Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: dance floors To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <03091911305387-AT-tedcrane.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT >You simply can't put a resiliant surface on top of cement. >My local private school tried - sub flooring, strapping, >springy thingies, oak. Hard as cement anyway. It does work with some form of success, in some cases. In our case, it was cement, 2 layers springy padding, 2 layers plywood, maple, polyurethane. You could actually sit there and see the floor "give" under the dancers. It was comfortable. The only problem with the floor was the finish, which was just a bit too gym-like for my taste. I like 'em somewhat slippery. This was in 1987. The cost for the floor, not counting the cement pad which was already in place, was $6 or $7 per square foot. -ted crane ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 09:01:32 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 11:01:18 -0500 From: Jonathan Sivier Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: dance interpretation question To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20030919110118.A2464-AT-uiuc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I'm working on a dance and have a question on one of the figures. This is a cotilion (4 couples in a square) and the first figure goes "The whole chassee to the right and back" My first thought was that this is a slipping circle for all 8 to the right and then to the left, but circling to the right to start seems a bit wierd and I'm wondering if this may actually be something else. Perhaps each couple individually slipping to the right at tangents to the circle? Or each couple takes two hands and slips to someone's right (the man's or the ladies)? Any other ideas? The last figure of the dance is "Whole promenade 1/2 round and back" I'm assuming this is the usual promenade CCW and then back CW. This would have them traveling CW at the end of the dance so circling CW (left) to start the dance again would seem to make the most sense, rather than changing direction and going to the right. Does this seem reasonable? Could there have been a different tradition as to the direction of a promenade so that the last figure would be promenade CW and back CCW so that circling to the right to begin the dance again makes some sense? Thanks. Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 09:08:44 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 11:58:13 -0400 From: Kim Barrett Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: dance floors To: Paul / Victoria Bestock CC: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <5.1.0.14.1.20030918235056.00a91930-AT-mail.oz.net> At 11:57 PM -0700 9/18/03, Paul / Victoria Bestock wrote: >I know we want a sprung floor, fairly slippery, non-toxic, but I >need specifics on how to do it, (will the architect now how to build >a sprung floor or will I have to tell him?) and especially what to >use for finish. I'd recommend getting a copy of "Dance Floors: A Handbook for the Design of Floors for Dance", by Mark Foley, published by Dance UK, ISBN 0951563149. It contains a lot of information about what makes a good dance floor, including variations for different types of usage. It gets pretty technical, including things like (European) standards for construction, measurements of deflection, &etc. I bought a copy recently through Amazon UK, for 10 GBP + shipping. It took about a month to arrive though, which is not so good for your meeting with the architect next Tuesday. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 10:06:18 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 10:05:05 -0700 From: Kalia Kliban Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: dance floors To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3F6B3741.20507-AT-sbcglobal.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <03091911305387-AT-tedcrane.com> > In our case, it was cement, 2 layers springy padding, > 2 layers plywood, maple, polyurethane... > -ted crane The "springy padding" part of the equation is the one I'm most curious about. I've worked with neoprene (mentioned by some others as the padding of choice) in various applications, and it breaks down after a while. I imagine it would break down a lot faster if it was being danced on, especially with wooden shoes. The little practice room we're putting in in the garage is small enough that I can afford to get a little experimental with the flooring, but I'd prefer not to have to tear it all up in a a year or two when the bounce goes away. Any recommendations for floor padding that holds up well? I'm looking for specific brand names of materials here, rather than just "that blue stuff they use behind water heaters". It doesn't have to feel like a trampoline. It just has to not feel like cement. K -- Kalia Kliban kalia-AT-sbcglobal.net ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 10:08:13 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 12:06:49 -0500 From: Paul Stamler Subject: Re: dance floors To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <006201c37ed0$6b5d9ba0$9986550c-AT-paulstam> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: ----- Original Message ----- From: Campbell Kaynor <> One of the best dance floors in our region is supported on small hard rubber balls, about the size and consstency of handballs. (Heck, they might be handballs, for all I know.) One every 12", IIRC. Peace, Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 10:09:34 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:09:18 -0400 From: Campbell Kaynor Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: dance floors-how about a resource page? To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT ..and perhaps some photos of what they look like? I think I have quite a few. CK ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 10:15:17 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:14:49 -0400 From: Campbell Kaynor Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: dance floors To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I know about the stand-off between the owner and the police on numerous issues even before he built the hall. The floor felt great to dance on though. The stage even had its own support so that we in the band were not subjected to the same "bounce" that the dancers were generating. CK Dfhart24-AT-AOL.COM Sent by: To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.s cc: tanford.edu Subject: Re: dance floors 19-Sep-2003 11:08 AM Please respond to ECD In a message dated 9/19/2003 10:23:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Campbell_Kaynor-AT-biogen.com writes: One guy built a dance hall in CT. He could not get permission to build a spring floor, so he invented an alternate way to get the same sensation. Being in the demolition business, he built his hall using old bowling alley for the flooring and supported it on piles of gigantic tires (from large construction equipment)! I'm not sure how legal it was, but it worked. This was closed down by "the Authorities" soon after it was first opened for a dance. After years of wrangling and stand-offs with the police, code issues and problems with taxes, the owner died, with nothing resolved. I believe the daughter was allowed to purchase the place, but as far as I know, it has never again been used as a dance hall. Pity. Cheer, Deborah ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 10:26:13 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:25:46 -0400 (EDT) From: JBGrun-AT-aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Will this be the last of the cat topic? To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <17b.1fc1ae69.2c9c961a-AT-aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT As long as we're on to the cat book thread,--and I agree that Dancing With Cats is definitely in a CATegory by itself--I must recommend Henry Beard's Zen for Cats. (It belongs to Nurnsie, so I only get to glance at it occasionally while she's out pursuing extremly small game. It contains the I Ching (Book of Changes) in which the universe is divided into Canine & Feline Qualities (ex: Canine: clumsy, dense,crude, servile, etc.; Feline: graceful, intuitive, fastidious, self-reliant, etc.). Other chapters are Isu Bushi (The Sofa Samurai), Tsume Renshu (Claw Exercises), Shojinryori (The Zen Macrobiotic Diet) in which Organic Brown Mice dominate, etc etc. WHY THIS MIGHT BE PERTINENT TO THE LIST: Does anyone remember Sam Katz? I think it was English-American Week 1983...hmmnnnn. Judy Grunberg ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 10:34:37 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 11:34:08 -0400 From: Deborah Sheldon Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: dance floors-how about a resource page? To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030919112345.02903020-AT-pop.vt.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <5.1.0.14.1.20030918235056.00a91930-AT-mail.oz.net> <3F6B0C7B.30302-AT-sbcglobal.net> I'd suggest using an on-line forum. The university that I work at provides free software we could use, and I would be willing to moderate it. Forums are really easy to use and would not require nearly as much time on the part of the owner. At 10:30 AM 9/19/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Dance floors (construction & finishes) come up as topics on this List >and rec.folk-dancing several times a year. It'd be terrific if someone >could create/maintain a resource website (linked from the ECD List page, >NEFFA, etc) which pulled together the information generated in these >discussions, with comments and product & vendor links, for us all to >refer to. > >Any volunteers?? :-) > >--Deb ---------- VTVTVTVTVTVTVTVTVTVTVTVTVTVTVTVTVT Deborah A. Sheldon Alumni Publications, Virginia Tech Alumni Association (540) 231-2536 - dsheldon-AT-vt.edu Http://www.VaTechAlumni.com "A balanced diet is a cookie in each hand." ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 10:57:45 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 12:56:19 -0500 From: Paul Stamler Subject: Re: duh...how? To: ecd list Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <00b801c37ed7$56985c80$9986550c-AT-paulstam> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <03091913170513-AT-tedcrane.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Pamela Goddard >One of the best dance floors in our region is supported on small hard rubber >balls, about the size and consstency of handballs. (Heck, they might be >handballs, for all I know.) One every 12", IIRC. <> The problem is, I don't know how. If I had to guess, I'd say there were recesses in something or other, maybe a hole drilled with a wood-boring bit a fraction of an inch into a beam. But this is a huge floor (it's a commercial dance studio), and everything's held in place by the side walls, so if the balls are in little hollows, they won't go anywhere and neither will the floor, except up and down. We don't have events there any more (too expensive, too far from the center of town), but if I ever happen to be in touch with the owners I'll ask. Peace, Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 11:42:09 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 11:41:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Vincent Subject: Re: Will this be the last of the cat topic? Not yet! To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <20030919184140.35445.qmail-AT-web12204.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT There's a Dancing Cat contra-dance in NH: http://www.contradancelinks.com/dancingcat.html There's Hawaiian Slack Key Guitar Recordings by Dancing Cat Records: http://www.dancingcat.com The Edward Gorey Dancing Cat Pin: http://www.thelibraryshop.org/edgordancatp.html and, of course, my all-time favorite, 'Dancing with Cats': http://www.monpa.com/dwc/world.html ===== Tom Vincent I looked up the definition of 'liberal' in a Random House dictionary. It gave the synonyms for 'liberal' as 'progressive', 'broad-minded', 'unprejudiced', 'beneficent'. The antonyms it offered: 'reactionary' and 'intolerant'. -- Walter Cronkite www.deanforamerica.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:46:03 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 15:44:14 -0500 From: John Shewmaker Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: dance floors To: Campbell Kaynor , ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Dear Cammy, or anyone else who has the answer for that matter: What is your understanding of just how a traditional sprung floor is sprung? Is it a floor built literally on springs, like the leaf springs on a truck or coil springs, or is it the arrangement of the joists? My understanding is that a traditional sprung floor consisted of a three-tiered stack of joists, one set running one way, the middle set across those at right angles, and a top set lined up in the same direction as the bottom set, that is, at right angles to the middle set, but located midway between the bottom joists, produced the requisite springing, by spreading out the loads widely, and maximizing the flexion of the joist system - keeping in mind that the dynamic loads are apt to be intense with dancers, much worse than static loads, and produce harmonic stresses as well, as the dancers hit the floor in unison, and hence potentially much more dangerous than the random pounding given by basketball teams. Balkan dancing may produce even stranger harmonics, too, with time signatures like 11/16 and 13/16. In days when troops actually marched, rather than rode, they were enjoined to break step in crossing bridges, so as not to tear up the bridges accidentally with harmonic vibrations set up by marching in unson. Did I make this up about the joists, or do I remember something real? Yours, Shooz Columbia, MO ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:44:59 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 19:44:32 -0400 (EDT) From: SallenNic-AT-aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD Digest V1 #1432 To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <12e.31edb590.2c9ceee0-AT-aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 19/9/03 2:18:49 pm, system-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu writes: << I suppose I'll have to teach Purcell's "Kit Kat Club" at next Tuesday's CD*NY dance. Gene Murrow dog person, actually >> I or II? :-) Nicolas. Nicolas B., Lanark, Scotland http://www.nicolasbroadbridge.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 16:45:09 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 19:44:34 -0400 (EDT) From: SallenNic-AT-aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD Digest V1 #1432 To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <42.3dfa0ba2.2c9ceee2-AT-aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 19/9/03 2:18:49 pm, system-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu writes: << So -- widely groping for some ECD relevance -- is there anything wrong with Kit Kat Club, that I should not have happened to have ever done it? I think I'll go look up the tune. . . hanging on by a whisker, or, is it a thread. . . Deborah, warm-blooded animal lover >> Nothing at all wrong, and it's a great tune. I is, in my opinion, much the better dance though. Nicolas. Nicolas B., Lanark, Scotland http://www.nicolasbroadbridge.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 01:27:43 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 01:27:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: dance floors To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20030920082711.43727.qmail-AT-web20003.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --- John Shewmaker wrote: > What is your understanding of just how a traditional sprung floor > is sprung? Is it a floor built literally on springs, like the leaf > springs on a truck or coil springs, or is it the arrangement of the > joists? It really depends upon a lot of variables how the floors are constructed. The Crystal Ballroom (originally Cotillion Hall) here in Portland was built with a floor that floats on long lever arms that reach out from the pillars and walls underneath. It is now owned by the McMenamin's chain of brew pubs. Since it was reopened a few years ago, they have constructed a smaller dance floor, apparently to the same design, in another room of the building. Ringler's Pub on the first floor was originally a car repair garage, back in the '20s. There's a history here: I can't find any pictues of the floor support system on the web site, but Iknow I hvae seen them somewhere. > My understanding is that a traditional sprung floor consisted of a > three-tiered stack of joists, one set running one way, the middle > set across those at right angles, and a top set lined up in the > same direction as the bottom set, that is, at right angles to the > middle set, but located midway between the bottom joists, produced > the requisite springing, by spreading out the loads widely, and > maximizing the flexion of the joist system... It actually is 1x4 stringers layed flat, not joists. Someone pointed out to me that the bottom layer does not have to be full boards, but can just be blocks spaced evenly across the floor, then the first set of stringers is laid across them. Depending upon the amount of spring desired, the stack can be up to five layers. An advantage of this construction is that it can be installed over a concrete slab. I have a copy of some pages on dance floors taken from a book on the logistics of running a professional dance troupe (Ron Lehmkuhl got it out of the Hartford library), and this is the constuction that is suggested in the book, because it is reasonably inexpensive and portable. Many major dance companies have their own fleet of trucks that transport their floor between venues, and it is installed over the concert stage before the dancers arrive. The reason for this is that concert stages are not completely flat. They might have a trap door, they might have outlets for various electrical and sound connections, etc. To be safe for dancers a floor _must_ be flat, with nothing that might trip them. Permanent sprung floors are usually consructed differently. I know of a couple old halls with sprung floors in Vancouver BC. The Finnish Brotherhood up there used to have one that ws burnt down by an arsonist. The last time I was up there we used a Polish hall for teh workshop and I've been to a Swedish hall somewhere up there with a sprung floor. I never got to see what the construction of these floors was like. Anybody from Vancouver on the list that might know? There are other ballrooms here in Portland, but I don't know what their floor constructin is like. > ...keeping in mind that the dynamic loads are apt to be intense > with dancers, much worse than static loads, and produce harmonic > stresses as well, as the dancers hit the floor in unison, and > hence potentially much more dangerous than the random pounding > given by basketball teams. Balkan dancing may produce even > stranger harmonics, too, with time signatures like 11/16 and 13/16. I don't remember this being a problem with any sprung floor that I've ever danced on. The Crystal Ballroom floor is so sensitive that if you are standing on the floor during a break in the dancing, and someone walks by 20 feet away, you can feel the floor moving. Unfortunately, most of the dancing that is done there now is to Rock 'n' Roll. I went there for a swing event one time and there was a guy in a wheelchair out there dancing. He was jumping the chair into the air and spinning around and having a grand time. Andy in PDX OR __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 01:29:09 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 01:28:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Will this be the last of the cat topic? Not yet! To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20030920082858.71404.qmail-AT-web20007.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --- Tom Vincent wrote: > There's a Dancing Cat contra-dance in NH: And, of course, there is the Dancing Bear event in Alaska. Andy in PDX OR __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 01:52:05 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 01:51:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: dance floors To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20030920085154.68733.qmail-AT-web20002.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT The hall was somewhere in East Windsor CT; I never was there for a dance. My understanding was that he never got an occupancy permit because he insisted that the town had no right to come in and inspect the contruction. It wasn't that that it didn't pass inspection; the owner never allowed them to do one. That was why any dances held there were very clandestine. Dances there were promoted as private parties, because supposedly that got around the occupancy permit issue on a single use, but every time it got used, the town got tougher. They were advertised by word of mouth and everybody was "invited". The last dance that I know of there was promoted by Val Suchower in about '87 or '88. I do remember hearing that the cops showed up and that the owner was charged for using the place without a permit. Andy in PDX OR --- Campbell Kaynor wrote: > I know about the stand-off between the owner and the police on > numerous issues even before he built the hall. The floor felt > great to dance on though. The stage even had its own support so > that we in the band were not subjected to the same "bounce" that > the dancers were generating. > CK > > from Dfhart24-AT-AOL.COM > 19-Sep-2003 11:08 AM > > Campbell_Kaynor-AT-biogen.com writes: > > One guy built a dance hall in CT. He could not get permission to > > build a spring floor, so he invented an alternate way to get the > > same sensation. Being in the demolition business, he built his > > hall using old bowling alley for the flooring and supported it on > > piles of gigantic tires (from large construction equipment)! I'm > > not sure how legal it was, but it worked. > > This was closed down by "the Authorities" soon after it was first > opened for a dance. After years of wrangling and stand-offs with > the police, code issues and problems with taxes, the owner died, > with nothing resolved. I believe the daughter was allowed to > purchase the place, but as far as I know, it has never again been > used as a dance hall. Pity. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 02:04:19 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 02:04:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: dance interpretation question To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20030920090410.57578.qmail-AT-web20004.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --- Jonathan Sivier wrote: > I'm working on a dance and have a question on one of the > figures. This is a cotilion (4 couples in a square) and the first > figure goes > > "The whole chassee to the right and back" > > My first thought was that this is a slipping circle for all 8 to > the right and then to the left, but circling to the right to start > seems a bit wierd and I'm wondering if this may actually be > something else. Perhaps each couple individually slipping to the > right at tangents to the circle? Or each couple takes two hands > and slips to someone's right (the man's or the ladies)? Any other > ideas? I've done this in Vintage quarilles where the couples slipped directly to the side, along the line that they would be standing on in the square. It isn't a slipping circle, but linear. Andy in PDX OR __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 09:52:17 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 11:52:02 -0500 (CDT) From: jsivier-AT-uiuc.edu (Jonathan Sivier) Subject: Re: dance interpretation question To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <200309201652.h8KGq3wT013473-AT-staff1.cso.uiuc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Andy Peterson writes: > > --- Jonathan Sivier wrote: > > I'm working on a dance and have a question on one of the > > figures. This is a cotilion (4 couples in a square) and the first > > figure goes > > > > "The whole chassee to the right and back" > > > > My first thought was that this is a slipping circle for all 8 to > > the right and then to the left, but circling to the right to start > > seems a bit wierd and I'm wondering if this may actually be > > something else. Perhaps each couple individually slipping to the > > right at tangents to the circle? Or each couple takes two hands > > and slips to someone's right (the man's or the ladies)? Any other > > ideas? > > I've done this in Vintage quarilles where the couples slipped > directly to the side, along the line that they would be standing on > in the square. It isn't a slipping circle, but linear. Thanks. I'll give that a try. Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 14:02:48 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 17:04:30 -0400 From: Blank Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: dance interpretation question To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3F6CC0DE.2080609-AT-sprintmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <200309201652.h8KGq3wT013473-AT-staff1.cso.uiuc.edu> Jonathon, The man, behind his woman, does 4 slips to the right and 4 back while she does the same to the left and back, linearly, along their side of the square. I believe the figures of the early 19th century cotillions are described in Jim Morrison's book which, alas! is packed away too inconveniently for me to find easily. Albert Blank ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 14:57:56 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 17:57:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Priscilla M. Burrage" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: dance interpretation question To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <200309201652.h8KGq3wT013473-AT-staff1.cso.uiuc.edu> <3F6CC0DE.2080609-AT-sprintmail.com> On Sat, 20 Sep 2003, Blank wrote: > Jonathon, > > The man, behind his woman, does 4 slips to the right and 4 back while > she does the same to the left and back, linearly, along their side of > the square. I believe the figures of the early 19th century cotillions > are described in Jim Morrison's book which, alas! is packed away too > inconveniently for me to find easily. In a Lancers that I learned msny years ago, the couple slipped rightt and then left as a couple, nearer hands joined. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Priscilla Burrage Vermont US (Priscilla.Burrage-AT-uvm.edu) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 21:39:19 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 21:38:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Pearl Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Dance Floors To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20030921043858.77110.qmail-AT-web12307.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I was there at that dance that Val Suchower organized at the fabulous hall on Chamberlain Rd. in the Broad Brook secton of East Windsor, CT. Everything you have heard is true, including the bit about the builder/owner Ed Thrall, firing a rifle at police officers. They didn't like that one bit. The hall seemed solidly built, and dancing on it...well it was like dancing on board a ship. When people balanced in unison, you could see the waves propagating to the outside limits of the floor. The floor, by the way, was not attached to the walls. I have learned that a student filmmaker did a documentary on the hall. The film, "Thrall Hall," was aired on CT public TV. He has hopes to turn the story into a feature film, believe it or not. Check the Yankee Magazine archives for a story called "Look What Ed Thrall Built". Also see http://www.thrallhall.com/ (about the feature film) http://ucmedia1.ucxonline.berkeley.edu/sales/socialsci05/socimain1.html#movie16A (about the documentary) http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=7788522&BRD=985&PAG=461&dept_id=161556&rfi=6 (Ed Thrall's obituary) http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=1568424&BRD=985&PAG=461&dept_id=161556&rfi=8 (Vandals attack hall in 2001) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 09:49:07 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 11:48:55 -0500 (CDT) From: jsivier-AT-uiuc.edu (Jonathan Sivier) Subject: Re: dance interpretation question To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <200309211648.h8LGmtvT027554-AT-staff1.cso.uiuc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Priscilla M. Burrage writes: > > In a Lancers that I learned msny years ago, the couple slipped rightt and > then left as a couple, nearer hands joined. We tried the dance last night and did it this way. It worked very well and was quite a hit with the dancers. Jonathan ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Jonathan Sivier |Q: How many angels can dance on the | | jsivier-AT-uiuc.edu | head of a pin? | | Flight Simulation Lab |A: It depends on what dance you call. | | Beckman Institute | | | 405 N. 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They have now been forwarded, and they send their thanks to you. Trev (Monson) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/03 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 14:42:20 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 17:41:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "Priscilla M. Burrage" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: dance floors To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <5.1.0.14.1.20030918235056.00a91930-AT-mail.oz.net> <3F6B0C7B.30302-AT-sbcglobal.net> On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, Jon Berger wrote: > Very intersting subject. On a much smaller scale, we're about to remodel > our garage, and one of the things we'll be building is a small room that > we're going to use for music and dance practice. Kalia, my wife, is a > clogger, and she wants a very resilient wood floor. It's going in over a > cement slab. Clogging was done by the English of the north country to keep their feet warm while they were setting up their looms and running them. The looms were placed at angles to eachother and turned "out of time" with eachother to keep the floor and building from weakening and collapsing. This floor was wide wood planks with wood supports, very flexible. This amount of flexibility is rarely, if ever, achieved with wood over concrete. I recommend she look for a good sports orthopedic surgeon and get started with him/her before her joints are damaged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Priscilla Burrage Vermont US (Priscilla.Burrage-AT-uvm.edu) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 21:00:53 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 20:59:48 -0700 From: Kalia Kliban Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: dance floors To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3F6E73B4.7010606-AT-sbcglobal.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <5.1.0.14.1.20030918235056.00a91930-AT-mail.oz.net> <3F6B0C7B.30302-AT-sbcglobal.net> Priscilla M. Burrage wrote: > On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, Jon Berger wrote: > > >>Very intersting subject. On a much smaller scale, we're about to remodel >>our garage, and one of the things we'll be building is a small room that >>we're going to use for music and dance practice. Kalia, my wife, is a >>clogger, and she wants a very resilient wood floor. It's going in over a >>cement slab. > > > Clogging was done by the English of the north country to keep their feet > warm while they were setting up their looms and running them. The looms > were placed at angles to eachother and turned "out of time" with eachother > to keep the floor and building from weakening and collapsing. This floor > was wide wood planks with wood supports, very flexible. > > This amount of flexibility is rarely, if ever, achieved with wood over > concrete. I recommend she look for a good sports orthopedic surgeon and > get started with him/her before her joints are damaged. The whole point of putting in a nice bouncy floor is to avoid having to sit in the waiting room at the orthopedists. I know there are cushioning systems that can take away that nasty "cement knees" feeling. I plan on installing one before dancing in the garage. I've only got the one set of knees, and morris dancing for 15 years has provided plenty of abuse already. -- Kalia Kliban kalia-AT-sbcglobal.net ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:39:01 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:38:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Graham Christian Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Trouble with Izaak? To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20030922183840.62309.qmail-AT-web20601.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Friends: I've been trying to look at Bob Keller's great Playford database, and keep hitting a dead end. Is there trouble with the izaak.unh site? Is there something I should know? or is the problem temporary? Graham ===== Graham Christian "They love dance well that will dance among thorns." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 21:54:52 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 21:54:22 -0700 From: Janet Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Scotch Morris? To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <001901c3818e$c187d6b0$977f6944-AT-CX980032A> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hello I am looking for the dance directions to Scotch Morris and so far have not been able to locate them. Anyone out there know where I can find them or has them to share? Thanks. Janet ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 00:11:22 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 00:16:21 -0700 From: Paul / Victoria Bestock Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: dance floors To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20030923001030.00a264a0-AT-mail.oz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hello all, Thanks to all of you who responded so quickly from all over the country to my request for information about dance floors and finishes. I condensed about 15 pages of information into 2, added a plea for better ventilation and for low toxic paint, and e-mailed it to the projects committee, who meet with the architect tomorrow. Victoria in Seattle ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 08:19:17 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 12:18:22 -0300 From: John Wood Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Scotch Morris? [2] To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <005f01c381e5$edc04300$8492e018-AT-johnwood> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_e8Prov4fJJRnXJB3+JXV7g)" References: <001901c3818e$c187d6b0$977f6944-AT-CX980032A> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_e8Prov4fJJRnXJB3+JXV7g) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi, Janet: You have no doubt been inundated with replies by now! However, in case not, after a lot of searching because the name seems familiar, I can only say that the music is by The Bare Necessities on their tape [mine, anyway] "Take a Dance." I do not have any notation for it. Hope this helps. Regards, John Bedford, Nova Scotia Subject: Scotch Morris? I am looking for the dance directions to Scotch Morris and so far have not been able to locate them. Anyone out there know where I can find them or has them to share? --Boundary_(ID_e8Prov4fJJRnXJB3+JXV7g) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Hi, Janet:
 
You have no doubt been inundated with replies by now!
 
However, in case not, after a lot of searching because
the name seems familiar, I can only say that the music
is by The Bare Necessities on their tape [mine, anyway]
"Take a Dance."
 
I do not have any notation for it.
 
Hope this helps.
 
Regards, John
Bedford, Nova Scotia
Subject: Scotch Morris?
I am looking for the dance directions to Scotch Morris and so far have not
been able to locate them.  Anyone out there know where I can find them or
has them to share?
--Boundary_(ID_e8Prov4fJJRnXJB3+JXV7g)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 08:59:12 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 08:58:30 -0700 From: Sharon Green Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Scotch Morris? To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030923085220.00bb3cd8-AT-popserver.panix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT At 09:54 PM 9/22/2003 -0700, you wrote: >Hello > >I am looking for the dance directions to Scotch Morris and so far have not >been able to locate them. Anyone out there know where I can find them or >has them to share? Tom Cook's reconstruction of Scotch Morris [ca. 1727, The Dancing Master Vol. III (Young)] can be found in 2 sources: Come Let's Be Merry, ed., Tom Cook, copyright EFDSS 1975 & 1982 A Cook's Tour, ed. John Stapledon, West Kirby Band, copyright 2003 Good luck! Sharon Green ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:27:01 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 12:28:47 -0400 From: Blank Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Scotch Morris? [2] To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3F7074BF.2070404-AT-sprintmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <001901c3818e$c187d6b0$977f6944-AT-CX980032A> <005f01c381e5$edc04300$8492e018-AT-johnwood> Dear Janet Scotch Morris is in the collection, "Come Let's Be Merry," (Tom Cook, 1975). My copy is packed away in trackless wastes somewhere or I'd send you the details off list. -- Albert Blank ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:38:22 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 16:59:39 +0100 From: Michael Barraclough Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: Scotch Morris? [2] To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <000801c381eb$db1fd520$0500a8c0-AT-ntworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT THE SCOTCH MORRIS (PLAYFORD VOL 3) THE SHOOMAKER (PLAYFORD VOL 2, same figs, different tune) A1 1-4 1st man set to 2nd woman and turn single A1 5-8 1st couple turn A2 1-4 1st woman set to 2nd man and turn single A2 5-8 1st couple turn (YES, it is 1st) B1 1-8 1st couple go whole figure of eight with 2nd couple, clap & cast off B2 1-2 1st man change with 2nd woman B2 3-4 1st woman change with second man B2 5-6 Circle left 1/2 B2 7-8 All turn single Michael Barraclough http://www.mab.tgis.co.uk I've stopped 5,343 spam messages. You can too! One month FREE spam protection at www.cloudmark.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [mailto:owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of John Wood Sent: 23 September 2003 16:18 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Scotch Morris? [2] Hi, Janet: You have no doubt been inundated with replies by now! However, in case not, after a lot of searching because the name seems familiar, I can only say that the music is by The Bare Necessities on their tape [mine, anyway] "Take a Dance." I do not have any notation for it. Hope this helps. Regards, John Bedford, Nova Scotia Subject: Scotch Morris? I am looking for the dance directions to Scotch Morris and so far have not been able to locate them. Anyone out there know where I can find them or has them to share? ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:47:12 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 14:46:23 -0300 From: John Wood Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Scotch Morris? [3] To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <007901c381fa$9b8b2360$8492e018-AT-johnwood> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_nAzYXE2DFsGHzL4ccMuBZA)" References: <001901c3818e$c187d6b0$977f6944-AT-CX980032A> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_nAzYXE2DFsGHzL4ccMuBZA) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_lcVj0+LFvBWMwAtqQnZjJw)" --Boundary_(ID_lcVj0+LFvBWMwAtqQnZjJw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi, Janet: As I have Tom Cook's book, attached is his notation. It's a PDF file and you can open it [safely!] with Adobe Acrobat Reader ver. 5 + Have fun dancing it! Regards, John Subject: Scotch Morris? I am looking for the dance directions to Scotch Morris and so far have not been able to locate them. Anyone out there know where I can find them or has them to share? --Boundary_(ID_lcVj0+LFvBWMwAtqQnZjJw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Hi, Janet:
 
As I have Tom Cook's book, attached is his notation.
 
It's a PDF file and you can open it [safely!] with Adobe
Acrobat Reader ver. 5 +
 
Have fun dancing it!
 
Regards, John
Subject: Scotch Morris?
I am looking for the dance directions to Scotch Morris and so far have not
been able to locate them.  Anyone out there know where I can find them or
has them to share?
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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT ECDers -- PDFs are binary files. Please don't post binary files to the ECD list. They really screw things up for digest users (who see many pages of gibberish), they slow down downloads for everybody who has to download. And there's really no point in attaching a big honkin' document with fonts, etc, for eight lines of plain-text dance notation anyway. Also, I have let a number of posts with HTML content go by lately. They similarly screw up the digest, are an annoyance to plain-text mail readers, and can be a medium for viruses or pranks. The ECD list is a plain-text list. Please do not post HTML ("rich text", "enhanced text") to the list. If you don't know how to keep your mail client from sending HTML, check out this web page: http://www.expita.com/nomime.html The page explains in detail what's wrong with HTML for email. It then explains how to turn off HTML and MIME encoding for some 50 different email clients, which will probably include yours. -- Alan (ECD listowner) -- =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:19:13 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:24:16 -0700 From: Paul / Victoria Bestock Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: Scotch Morris? [2] To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20030923110914.00a8b080-AT-mail.oz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi, I'm interested in the description that Michael Barraclough posts on Scotch Morris. We usually dance it with first corners both setting to each other. This version says "first man set to second woman" which sounds like second woman stands there admiring him, but does not set or TS herself. True? Is having the second woman set a modern adaptation to keep the 2's from falling asleep? My description says that "second corners cross" and doesn't say whether its original or current second corners. I posted a question about this to the list about this some years ago and got back an equal number of answers on both sides. I've also been taught it both ways. Describing it as "first man and second woman" makes it clear that its the CURRENT second corners, who are the original first corners. But is that an interpretation? Are we just assuming that the first man would have gone first in Playford's time, even if he was in second corner position? Or is "First man and second woman" the language of the original description? Victoria in Seattle, ever curious ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:43:01 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:42:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: dance floors To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20030923184231.12969.qmail-AT-web20007.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --- Paul / Victoria Bestock wrote: > Thanks to all of you who responded so quickly from all over the > country to my request for information about dance floors and > finishes. I condensed about 15 pages of information into 2, > added a plea for better ventilation and for low toxic paint, > and e-mailed it to the projects committee, who meet with the > architect tomorrow. Venting the heat out through the ceiling is a big issue in dance halls. That big vent fan in the Scout House roof is one of the few really effective systems I've seen, but unless opening the vent has somehow been automated it's a big production to turn it on. Andy in PDX __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:50:20 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 19:50:05 +0100 From: Michael Barraclough Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: Scotch Morris? [2] To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <200309231850.TAA20760-AT-galahad.tgis.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT The wording I have used is modernised but is based on the original words (not Tom Cook's transcription) and fairly reflects what is written in the original. I have not sought to interpret the original. I think that having one person set to the other and that person only turn single accords with the majority of the instructions for that sort of figure. As for the "corners" issue, the original is quite specific as to who does what with whom and in what order :) Michael Barraclough http://www.mab.tgis.co.uk On Tuesday, September 23, 2003 at 11:24:16 AM, ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu wrote: > Hi, > > I'm interested in the description that Michael Barraclough posts on Scotch > Morris. > > We usually dance it with first corners both setting to each other. This > version says "first man set to second woman" which sounds like second woman > stands there admiring him, but does not set or TS herself. True? Is > having the second woman set a modern adaptation to keep the 2's from > falling asleep? > > My description says that "second corners cross" and doesn't say whether > its original or current second corners. I posted a question about this to > the list about this some years ago and got back an equal number of answers > on both sides. I've also been taught it both ways. Describing it as > "first man and second woman" makes it clear that its the CURRENT second > corners, who are the original first corners. But is that an > interpretation? Are we just assuming that the first man would have gone > first in Playford's time, even if he was in second corner position? Or is > "First man and second woman" the language of the original description? > > Victoria in Seattle, ever curious > > > > > -- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 12:26:32 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 15:23:12 -0400 (EDT) From: JBGrun-AT-aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Judy Grunberg's Address Change To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-ID: <15e.25804dcf.2ca1f7a0-AT-aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Dear All: Please update your records to show my new internet address: jbgrun-AT-berk.com I will maintain the above aol address for a brief period, but will discontinue that account within the next month or two. Judy/Mom/Grandma ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 14:22:47 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 14:22:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Vincent Subject: A place to share PDFs, photos, docs, etc. - was Re: Please don't post HTML or binaries to the ECD list To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <20030923212218.61477.qmail-AT-web12204.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT If there *is* a need to share such files, I've set up a yahoogroup called, cleverly enough, EnglishCountryDancing. There's plenty of space to post photos, PDFs, graphics, calendar entries, documents, etc. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EnglishCountryDance/ --- Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote: > ECDers -- > > PDFs are binary files. Please don't post binary > files to the ECD list. They > really screw things up for digest users (who see > many pages of gibberish), they > slow down downloads for everybody who has to > download. > > And there's really no point in attaching a big > honkin' document with fonts, > etc, for eight lines of plain-text dance notation > anyway. > > Also, I have let a number of posts with HTML content > go by lately. They > similarly screw up the digest, are an annoyance to > plain-text mail readers, > and can be a medium for viruses or pranks. The ECD > list is a plain-text list. > > Please do not post HTML ("rich text", "enhanced > text") to the list. If you > don't know how to keep your mail client from sending > HTML, check out this > web page: > > http://www.expita.com/nomime.html > > The page explains in detail what's wrong with HTML > for email. > > It then explains how to turn off HTML and MIME > encoding for some 50 different > email clients, which will probably include yours. > > -- Alan (ECD listowner) > > > -- > =============================================================================== > Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU > Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or > SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 > Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill > Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 > =============================================================================== > ===== Tom Vincent I looked up the definition of 'liberal' in a Random House dictionary. It gave the synonyms for 'liberal' as 'progressive', 'broad-minded', 'unprejudiced', 'beneficent'. The antonyms it offered: 'reactionary' and 'intolerant'. -- Walter Cronkite www.deanforamerica.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:58:19 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:56:34 -0700 From: Vickie Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Sea World weekend two To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Photos of our second weekend at Sea World may be viewed at: http://davebon.netfirms.com/Sea2World.html Alas, you may not find them too exciting, as even though we danced 15 to 20 minutes every hour for ten hours a day, we couldn't dance and take pictures at the same time. There are a few photos of us dancing at the bottom of: http://www.americanrevolution.org/seaworld2.html Hopefully, we interested a few people in ECD and they'll follow up. A young lady on the list from the East Coast happened to be in San Diego, and even though she didn't make it to Sea World, she made it to a Friday night practice in San Diego for the upcoming So Cal Playford ball. We were all delighted to meet you, Margaret. Best regards, Ed ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 00:22:54 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 00:22:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: (fwd) Portsmouth again To: ecd-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01L10ULKQSSG8Y670Z-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT From: Paul Stamler Hi folks: I know this has been talked about before, but I'm not sure we've ever come to any conclusion. I called Portsmouth last night, the version in "The Playford Ball", and once again came up with the dilemma involved in the timing. The A parts are fine; just the right amount of time available to do a cross-and-hey. But the B... If you play the tune with a repeat, there's an ungodly amount of time available to do the figure 8, cross and circular hey. The dancers end up twiddling their thumbs. But if you don't repeat the B part of the tune (we didn't, as instructed by the book), then they have to switch from a sensibly-paced A part to a run-like-hell B part. The version on the CDSS-NY website makes more sense -- they repeat the B music, and their B part is: B1 (8) First couple cross by R shoulder & go below 2nd couple, who lead up (8) First couple half figure-8 up through 2nd couple. B2 (16) 4 changes of rights & lefts, starting R hand to partner. That one times out right. So what was C# thinking (it being his interpretation in "The Playford Ball")? More to the point, what do y'all think? Peace, Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 04:51:19 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 12:51:05 +0100 From: Michael Barraclough Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: (fwd) Portsmouth again To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <200309241151.MAA06934-AT-galahad.tgis.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT The version of Portsmouth on the CDSS-NY web site accords well with the original instructions. As for "What was Cecil Sharp thinking about", we will never know. Sadly, this is not the only poor interpretation contained in the Country Dance Books. Michael Barraclough http://www.mab.tgis.co.uk On Wednesday, September 24, 2003 at 12:22:11 AM, ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu wrote: > From: Paul Stamler > > Hi folks: > > I know this has been talked about before, but I'm not sure we've ever come > to any conclusion. > > I called Portsmouth last night, the version in "The Playford Ball", and once > again came up with the dilemma involved in the timing. The A parts are fine; > just the right amount of time available to do a cross-and-hey. But the B... > > If you play the tune with a repeat, there's an ungodly amount of time > available to do the figure 8, cross and circular hey. The dancers end up > twiddling their thumbs. But if you don't repeat the B part of the tune (we > didn't, as instructed by the book), then they have to switch from a > sensibly-paced A part to a run-like-hell B part. > > The version on the CDSS-NY website makes more sense -- they repeat the B > music, and their B part is: > > B1 (8) First couple cross by R shoulder & go below 2nd couple, who lead up > (8) First couple half figure-8 up through 2nd couple. > > B2 (16) 4 changes of rights & lefts, starting R hand to partner. > > That one times out right. So what was C# thinking (it being his > interpretation in "The Playford Ball")? More to the point, what do y'all > think? > > Peace, > Paul > > > -- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 06:03:14 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 09:02:50 -0400 (EDT) From: CPChurchOffice-AT-aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Sea World weekend two To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Greetings from the East Coast to the West, It was delightful to dance with the San Diego group even though I missed the "dancing with dolphins" at Sea World. Although I was there on business, two of my goals in returning to San Diego were finding an opportunity to dance, and visiting beautiful Balboa Park. It was a great blessing to find I could actually attend a dance practice at the lovely Casa El Prado in Balboa Park. I'm also grateful for Ed's rapid response to my e-mail enquiry making it possible for me to get to the practice and the warm welcome from the San Diego group. and enjoyed heading out with some of them to catch the last hour of a nearby Contra dance when their practice was over. I hope to see them all again on my next trip. Margaret Talbot ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:12:19 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 12:54:33 -0400 From: Allison M Thompson Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [SPAM:#] Re: Ash Grove To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20030924.141045.-91899.21.AllisonThompson-AT-juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Does anyone know: is the tune called "The _____ Ash Grove" properly the "Lonely" or the "Lovely"?? Allison Thompson ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:32:15 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:31:53 -0400 From: Deb Karl Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [SPAM:#] Re: Ash Grove To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3F71E31A.74E786B3-AT-wi.mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <20030924.141045.-91899.21.AllisonThompson-AT-juno.com> see http://www.gurman.org/ashgrove/ the title is "The Ash Grove" the lyrices include the line "..the lonely ash grove." Allison M Thompson wrote: > > Does anyone know: is the tune called "The _____ Ash Grove" properly the > "Lonely" or the "Lovely"?? > > Allison Thompson ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 14:57:59 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 14:57:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Country Dancers of Westchester Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [SPAM:#] C.D.W. Dance Party: Autumn Enters To: ECD List Message-ID: <20030926215741.45277.qmail-AT-web12202.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Country Dancers of Westchester continues its 2003-2004 season with "Autumn Enters." Judi Rivkin is the emcee, and music is by "The Flying Romanos:" Robin Russell, Marnen Laibow-Koser, and Norma Castle. Dancing is from 8pm to 11pm, Saturday, September 27, at the Church in the Highlands, White Plains, NY. Get complete information at the C.D.W. website: http://www.geocities.com/cdwestchester/ Admission is $10.00 for members; $12.00 for others. ===== Carl E. Andersen, C.D.W. Herald * This information about Country Dancers of Westchester is sent to you because we believe you are interested in knowing about our activities. If you prefer not to receive future notices, please reply asking to be removed from our list of addressees. Know anyone who'd like to receive these notices? Send us their e-mail addresses! * __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! 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It also enables you to plan your programmes more quickly - you can list all Pat Shaw dances, or all five couple dances, and select a dance from this list. And so on... see the page for much more information. Colin Hume Email colin-AT-colinhume.com Web site http://www.colinhume.com