Archive-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 03:52:05 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 06:51:52 -0400 From: Susan Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: NYC Regency Dance Workshop Sunday 8/3 To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU CC: susan-AT-generalist.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT (Regular monthly posting) Summary: New York City, Regency (1810's) dance workshop this Sunday. http://www.elegantarts.org/ Long version: For the New York City-accessible and historically curious, my first Sunday Regency dance workshop is this Sunday, August 3rd, from 1:00 to 4:00 pm. The Regency Dance workshop is my regular monthly workshop on dances suitable for early nineteenth century (Regency, Jane Austen, Napoleonic Wars) England. This time we will in fact be looking at country dance figures and steps, as well as the sauteuse (hop) waltz and the classic foursome reel with a variety of setting step combinations. No prior experience needed. The full calendar for (mostly) first Sunday Regency workshops is at: http://www.elegantarts.org/calendar03.html All material is taken directly from primary sources and reconstructed and taught by yours truly. If you have questions about it, email me directly. Cost: $15, or $10 for first-timers Shoes: flat shoes only, please. Heels are inappropriate. PLEASE RSVP to: meredith-AT-elegantarts.org - the number of people we are expecting affects how I prepare for the class! (But you can still show up if you don't RSVP.) Location: Hop, Swing, and a Jump, 132 Crosby Street #2 for directions, see our webpage, http://www.elegantarts.org/classprac.html/ For more information about the Elegant Arts Society, please see our website: http://www.elegantarts.org To receive these announcements directly, please email info-AT-elegantarts.org to be added to our mailing list. Susan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 08:45:26 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 15:45:13 +0000 From: Orly Krasner Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Save the Date To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi, All-- Crisis averted. It's now official: the New York Playford Ball will take place on its originally scheduled date in a return to a glorious venue that we haven't used for many years. Date: April 17, 2004. Place: The Synod House at the Cathedral of Saint John the Divine (Amsterdam Avenue at 110th St. in Manhattan) Details to follow at the appropriate time. And now, back to our regularly scheduled summer activities. --Orly Krasner Chair, CDNY Playford Ball, 2004 _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 22:19:37 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 00:19:39 -0500 From: Charlene Charette Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: original 5th edition Playford for sale To: English Country Dance List Message-ID: <3F2B49EB.7030605-AT-earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Came across this looking for something else: http://www.ilabdatabase.com/php/detailindex.php3?booknr=68171829&source=bookfinder or http://tinyurl.com/it67 At the bargain price of US$8500. Yikes! --Charlene -- American women expect to find in their husbands a perfection that English women only hope to find in their butlers. -- W. Somerset Maugham ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 09:58:17 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 12:58:12 -0400 (EDT) From: "Priscilla M. Burrage" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Looking ahead To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I was most interested in the thoughful replies to Orly's queries on dances planned for May 2004. We also need to know what events are in your plans forJune 2004. Please be tolerant of queries like these as they do help to keep you from having great dance events conflict in the future. Would those of you in the know please advise what May 29 to June 27, 2004 weekend events might conflict with an event in northwest Vermont. (This year, in spite of conflicts, we had attendees from all of New England and northern New York, defined as anything north of the Bronx). Thank you for your help. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Priscilla Burrage Vermont US (pburrage-AT-zoo.uvm.edu) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 15:45:54 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 23:29:08 +0100 From: Colin Hume Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Dates in the States To: ECD Mailing List Message-ID: <20038523298.881196-AT-colin-hume> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT

Friday 27 Nov  Fly to Washington DC

Saturday 29 November  English Workshop & Dance, DC

Tuesday 2 December  English Dance, NY

Thursday 4 December  English Dance, Westchester

Saturday 6 December Dancing at the Philly Ball

Sunday 7 December  Yuletide Cotillion, NY

Tuesday 9 Dec Fly from NY to Heathrow

 

If you'd like to book me for an English or Contra Dance in one of the gaps, please email me. The bookings can be seen on my web site.


Colin Hume

 

Email colin-AT-colinhume.com

Web site http://www.colinhume.com

 

================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 21:02:20 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 23:02:24 -0500 From: Charlene Charette Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: dance in southern Maine To: English Country Dance List Message-ID: <3F307DD0.1070508-AT-earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I'll be in the Biddeford/Saco area Aug 10-Aug 15. Does anyone know of any dance goings-on, ECD or other? Thanks, --Charlene -- Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm. -- Steven Wright ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 06:41:28 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 06:41:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Vincent Subject: Re: dance in southern Maine To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <20030806134124.63402.qmail-AT-web12202.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Check www.cdss.org. Plenty of links to area dances. --- Charlene Charette wrote: > I'll be in the Biddeford/Saco area Aug 10-Aug 15. > Does anyone know of > any dance goings-on, ECD or other? > > Thanks, > --Charlene > > -- > Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm. -- > Steven Wright > ===== Tom Vincent May you work like you don't need the money, Love like you've never been hurt, And dance like no-one is watching. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 07:41:08 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 10:22:53 -0400 From: Marge Cramton Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: making an ECD CD To: "'ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu'" Message-ID: <111C7A5AB1BCD411918A000103212474013C3450-AT-MAIL1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_LnlWGNadLmqSqPAeGXlJBQ)" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --Boundary_(ID_LnlWGNadLmqSqPAeGXlJBQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Debbie Jackson, a wonderful musician based in SE Michigan, is planning to organize a CD recording of English country dance music. The purpose is primarily in support of Michigan dance leaders who aren't also musicians, to help them prepare to lead dances that aren't already available as recorded music. A group of people locally are putting together their suggestions for tunes they'd wish to have recorded. I'm wondering if people on this list have tune suggestions, as well as any general suggestions based on recording experiences. So: If you've been involved with a recording project, what did you learn in the process that you wish you'd known up front? And: Which dances do you love that you don't have recorded music for? Thanks for any comments you'd like to share, on- or off-list. Marge Cramton --Boundary_(ID_LnlWGNadLmqSqPAeGXlJBQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Debbie Jackson, a wonderful musician based in SE Michigan, is planning to organize a CD recording of English country dance music. The purpose is primarily in support of Michigan dance leaders who aren't also musicians, to help them prepare to lead dances that aren't already available as recorded music.  A group of people locally are putting together their suggestions for tunes they'd wish to have recorded. I'm wondering if people on this list have tune suggestions, as well as any general suggestions based on recording experiences.
 
So: If you've been involved with a recording project, what did you learn in the process that you wish you'd known up front? 
 
And: Which dances do you love that you don't have recorded music for?
 
Thanks for any comments you'd like to share, on- or off-list.
 
Marge Cramton
 
 
--Boundary_(ID_LnlWGNadLmqSqPAeGXlJBQ)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 10:43:42 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 10:43:32 -0700 From: Jon Berger Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: making an ECD CD To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3F313E44.40609-AT-sbcglobal.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <111C7A5AB1BCD411918A000103212474013C3450-AT-MAIL1> Marge Cramton wrote: > So: If you've been involved with a recording project, what did you learn > in the process that you wish you'd known up front? Here's one: modern computer-based recording technology has given engineers the power to do some pretty astonishing stuff, but beware of engineers who are so overwhelmed with this power that they think the recording session is about giving them an opportunity to play with their toys. If you do three takes that aren't quite perfect, the engineer can probably take the perfect parts of each one and patch them together into one perfect track, but if he spends 45 minutes farting around with his computer to accomplish that when you could have just done take 4 and gotten it right in 5 minutes, you've wasted 40 minutes and lost all the momentum and direction of the session. The recording session is about recording, hence the name. If you want to do another take, don't let anyone tell you that you can't. Here's another one: electronic keyboards don't sound like pianos. Maybe some of them do, but I haven't encountered one yet. Sometimes we have to use them for dances because the dance is happening someplace where there isn't a piano, but when you're recording you have a choice, so choose a studio with a decent piano, or rent one, or don't use piano. -- Jon Berger http://pages.sbcglobal.net/jberger ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 20:34:19 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 22:30:10 -0500 From: "Phyllis G. Richmond" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: dance in 19th c North Carolina To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: A friend of mine who is a writer is in need of information about dance in 1830's/1840's North Carolina for a novel she is working on right now. I know this is not directly ECD, but since people on the list are so knowledgeable about dance, I thought someone on the list might know about this or else could direct her to the appropriate source for the information she seeks, so I offered to ask you all. Her book is set in the Appalachian mountains of western North Carolina, basically in the backwoods, in the 1830's-40's. She needs to know: -What type of dancing they would have done at gatherings such as harvesting, quilting bees, etc. -What did the dancing look like? Was it squares, straight lines, circles? Are there any descriptions of dancing from this time in this area? -Were the dances called? In which case is there a description of the calling that she could use (i.e., swing your partner round and round)? If any one has any information or ideas about how to research this, please reply directly to Lissa at lissacreola-AT-yahoo.com Thank you very much! -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Phyllis G. Richmond The Alexander Technique Phone: 817 275 1697 Fax: 817 261 6293 E-mail: pgrichmond-AT-scotese.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 21:21:35 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 00:21:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Tideswell-AT-aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Looking for Elaine Bradtke's email To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <162.2421eb5a.2c632dbb-AT-aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi everybody My address book is in disarray, and I find I have an outdated email address for Elaine Bradtke. Can any of you good folk supply a current one? Elaine, are you out there? thanks! Nilos ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 23:08:24 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 01:03:19 -0500 From: Paul Stamler Subject: Re: making an ECD CD To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <000401c35ca9$9ac2ec40$9a6a550c-AT-paulstam> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <111C7A5AB1BCD411918A000103212474013C3450-AT-MAIL1> <3F313E44.40609-AT-sbcglobal.net> From: Jon Berger <> Absolutely. On the other hand, editing can be a very useful tool, especially since one sometimes reaches the point of diminishing returns with repeated takes. The important thing is to have the engineer do it *after* the recording session, not during! As you say, it's horribly disruptive if everyone sits and twiddles their thumbs while the engineer farts around. Also: I've been on both sides of the glass, mostly as an engineer (played a lot, but not usually recording), and the playing-with-toys syndrome is far too prevalent. Particularly since many of the powerful software tools are applied to recordings that are only so-so, because the hardware is only so-so. Often, especially in this kind of music (where the goal is producing something that's a reasonable facsimile of the original sound, rather than a new creation -- a sonic photograph, not a painting), you're better off with a simpler, high-quality setup than something with a thousand bells and whistles, but poorer sound. There's a lot of mediocre gear out there (I know, I review it for a living), and a few pieces of good gear can often leave a lot of pieces of so-so gear in the dust, especially if you don't need the manipulation capabilities of Pro-Tools and its brethren. Some of the best recordings I've made were done with a few good microphones, a good preamp/mixer and a 2-track recorder, mixing on the spot. And one of my favorites was done with a single pair of microphones, set up for true stereo reproduction. Basically I set the overall level, repositioned people until the mix was right and the soundstage made sense, then sat and logged takes and swigged coffee. We patched a few takes together later, but otherwise it was un-messed-with. It sounded beautiful. Still does. Sometimes simple is best. <> Agreed again -- and budget for the piano tuner to come and tweak it up before the session. As for electronic pianos, some of the Rolands come pretty darn close, but still no cigar. Peace, Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 08:41:36 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 15:41:22 +0000 From: Orly Krasner Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Looking ahead to 2005 To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi, All-- Does anybody know of any conflicts (mainly on the East Coast) for Saturday, April 9, 2005? Neffa is likely to be the following Saturday, and then it's Passover. Easter is late March I believe. Any dance conflicts I should know about now? Many thanks! --Orly (envious of all those people having fun at English week!) _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 09:17:34 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 12:17:18 -0400 From: Deb Karl Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Looking ahead to 2005 To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3F327B8E.165C3C77-AT-wi.mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: for other far-sighted dance planners: in 2005: March 20 - Palm Sunday March 27 - Easter April 18 (Monday) - Patriots Day April 25 (Monday) - Passover I imagine NEFFA will be its usual weekend-after-Patriots-Day, or April 22-24. --Deb Orly Krasner wrote: > > Hi, All-- > Does anybody know of any conflicts (mainly on the East Coast) for > Saturday, April 9, 2005? Neffa is likely to be the following Saturday, and > then it's Passover. Easter is late March I believe. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 11:08:58 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 13:09:03 -0500 From: Charlene Charette Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: A question about "Dargason" To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3F33E73F.30803-AT-earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <200307311820.TAA05226-AT-galahad.tgis.co.uk> Michael Barraclough wrote: > When Playford published the dance in 1651 he titled it Sedany, or Dargason. This changed to Dargason, or Sedany in the 2nd edition and then to Dargason, or The Sedany in the 3rd edition. > > Michael Barraclough > http://www.mab.tgis.co.uk For those of us who like to pick nits -- In the 1651 edition the dance is "Sedanny, or Dargason" on the dance description page. It's "Dargason, or Sedany" in the table of dances. --Charlene -- Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm. -- Steven Wright ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 11:26:26 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 14:31:30 -0400 From: "Michael J. O'Connor" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: A question about "Dargason" To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <003801c35ddb$49979e00$44e37ad1-AT-oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <200307311820.TAA05226-AT-galahad.tgis.co.uk> <3F33E73F.30803-AT-earthlink.net> Charlene Charette wrote: > For those of us who like to pick nits -- No doubt she meant "to pick nnits --" ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 15:33:38 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 23:33:14 +0100 From: Alan Corkett Subject: Sidmouth 03 To: ecD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <010301c35ec6$39b366e0$527e86d9-AT-default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT As a member of the "Grumbling Old Men" band, I thoroughly enjoyed the folk dance side of the festival this year. It was greatly enhanced having Rodney Miller's Airdance Band there playing for some contra workshops that I was able to attend. However, people have complained to me about the charging for season tickets and the problems day visitors have unless they just wanted to sit on the promenade and watch! We need to encourage first timers also to keep the numbers turning over, I feel. Otherwise, it is the same people every year. Regards Alan Corkett ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 14:04:44 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 16:04:09 -0500 From: Mary Railing Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: making an ECD CD To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_3wN5XFslUWlaTjfCCeKaAQ)" --Boundary_(ID_3wN5XFslUWlaTjfCCeKaAQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > > >So: If you've been involved with a recording project, what did you learn >in the process that you wish you'd known up front? > > An article on the producing a dance music CD is available at: http://home.indy.net/~orange/recordingpaper.htm It is based on the author's experience recording music for an SCA dance band, but the information is valid for any band trying to produce a first CD. --Mary Railing --Boundary_(ID_3wN5XFslUWlaTjfCCeKaAQ) Content-type: text/enriched; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT ArialSo: If you've been involved with a recording project, what did you learn in the process that you wish you'd known up front? An article on the producing a dance music CD is available at: http://home.indy.net/~orange/recordingpaper.htm It is based on the author's experience recording music for an SCA dance band, but the information is valid for any band trying to produce a first CD. --Mary Railing --Boundary_(ID_3wN5XFslUWlaTjfCCeKaAQ)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 18:46:35 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:41:10 -0400 From: Anne Lowenthal Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Dates in the States To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <00b201c36205$24394f40$0e02a8c0-AT-annespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <20038523298.881196-AT-colin-hume> Dear Colin, Just back from Pinewoods, I've been going through my e-mails concerning your trip to the US, trying to find out how communication failed re Tuesday, December 9, when I'd hoped you would call at our Tuesday dance, following the Yuletide Cotillion. I failed to find the source of confusion. I am so disappointed that you plan to return home that day. Have you already booked flights? Or might it be possible for you to delay your return until Wednesday, Dec. 10th? Hopefully, Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Hume" To: "ECD Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 6:29 PM Subject: Dates in the States > Friday 27 Nov Fly to Washington DC > > Saturday 29 November English Workshop & Dance, DC > > Tuesday 2 December English Dance, NY > > Thursday 4 December English Dance, Westchester > > Saturday 6 December Dancing at the Philly Ball > > Sunday 7 December Yuletide Cotillion, NY > > Tuesday 9 Dec Fly from NY to Heathrow > > > > If you'd like to book me for an English or Contra Dance in one of the gaps, please email me. The bookings can be seen on my web site. > > > Colin Hume > > > > Email colin-AT-colinhume.com > > Web site http://www.colinhume.com > > > > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 06:06:26 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 09:12:51 -0400 From: "Michael J. O'Connor" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Earworms, or rostromedial prefrontal cortex To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <003701c36265$c494a240$0fed7ad1-AT-oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_67poizff+4TTB5ruzOjK6g)" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_67poizff+4TTB5ruzOjK6g) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Many moons ago this list had a thread about tunes that get stuck in your head. The NY Times ran an article on this phenomenon earlier this week in which one researcher referred to them as "earworms," which seems remarkably apt. An excerpt follows, slightly edited in a way that will be obvious. The link to the full article is at the end. He found that some 98 percent of listeners will at one time or another be bothered by a tune that will not leave their heads. The study also found some common offenders, including .... The study also showed that musicians and those with compulsive tendencies are the most afflicted. ... The greater susceptibility of musicians may simply reflect how much more music they listen to. But other research has shown that musical training leads to changes in brain function and structure in regions like the rostromedial prefrontal cortex, an area located behind the forehead that is involved in the perception of melody. Some kind of self-perpetuating stimulus of these circuits may explain why familiar tunes like "Y.M.C.A." can literally become branded in the brain. Neural circuits for music perception also appear in the temporal lobes, which is involved in more basic sound processing. Petr Janata, a research assistant professor at Dartmouth who studies music and the brain, said the effect can be heightened when sound is linked to motion. "The brain and the body get involved. When we put specific dance to the music - like with `The Punchbowl' or `Knives and Forks' - the whole body remembers the tune." Repetition often helps to create a sticky song, as do those whose melodies repeat or contain an element of surprise. "Our jingle often ran on all three networks tons of times a day," said John Clarke, chief advertising officer of Dr. Pepper/7Up. "And those phrases were catchy. `I'm a Pepper, you're a Pepper, wouldn't you like to be a pepper too?' " That jingle also ran longer than a jingle of 2003 would, 60 seconds compared with this year's 15. It was a simple tune, the perfect ingredients for an earworm, Dr. Kellaris said. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/12/science/12EAR.html?ex=1061864842&ei=1&en=6b30fbc71af75f47 --Boundary_(ID_67poizff+4TTB5ruzOjK6g) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Many moons ago this list had a thread about tunes that get stuck in your head.  The NY Times ran an article on this phenomenon earlier this week in which one researcher referred to them as "earworms," which seems remarkably apt.  An excerpt follows, slightly edited in a way that will be obvious.  The link to the full article is at the end.
 

He found that some 98 percent of listeners will at one time or another be bothered by a tune that will not leave their
heads.  The study also found some common offenders, including   ....

The study also showed that musicians and those with compulsive tendencies are the most afflicted.
...

The greater susceptibility of musicians may simply reflect how much more music they listen to. But other research has
shown that musical training leads to changes in brain function and structure in regions like the rostromedial prefrontal cortex, an area located behind the forehead that is involved in the perception of melody.  Some kind of self-perpetuating stimulus of these circuits may explain why familiar tunes like "Y.M.C.A." can literally become branded in the brain.  Neural circuits for music perception also appear in the temporal lobes, which is involved in more basic sound processing.

Petr Janata, a research assistant professor at Dartmouth who studies music and the brain, said the effect can be
heightened when sound is linked to motion.  "The brain and the body get involved.  When we put specific dance to the
music - like with `The Punchbowl' or `Knives and Forks' - the whole body remembers the tune."

Repetition often helps to create a sticky song, as do those whose melodies repeat or contain an element of surprise.
"Our jingle often ran on all three networks tons of times a day," said John Clarke, chief advertising officer of Dr.
Pepper/7Up.  "And those phrases were catchy. `I'm a Pepper, you're a Pepper, wouldn't you like to be a pepper too?' "

That jingle also ran longer than a jingle of 2003 would, 60 seconds compared with this year's 15. It was a simple tune,
the perfect ingredients for an earworm, Dr. Kellaris said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/12/science/12EAR.html?ex=1061864842&ei=1&en=6b30fbc71af75f47
--Boundary_(ID_67poizff+4TTB5ruzOjK6g)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 06:19:06 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 09:18:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Will Linden Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Earworms, or rostromedial prefrontal cortex To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <003701c36265$c494a240$0fed7ad1-AT-oemcomputer> On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Michael J. O'Connor wrote: > is involved in the perception of melody. Some kind of self-perpetuating > stimulus of these circuits may explain why familiar tunes like > "Y.M.C.A." can literally become branded in the brain. Neural circuits > for music perception also appear in the temporal lobes, which is > involved in more basic sound processing. > Their correspondents need to LITERALLY open a dictionary and find out what "literally" LITERALLY means! (Will, who got sick of hate mail from the Council for Secular Humanism asserting that poor them are "literally bombarded with customs, denials and situations.") ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 06:44:49 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 09:44:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "Roger W. Broseus" Subject: RE: Earworms, or rostromedial prefrontal cortex, taken literally To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <42378.148.184.176.32.1060868681.squirrel-AT-63.122.103.150> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <003701c36265$c494a240$0fed7ad1-AT-oemcomputer> I decided to act on Will's recommendation and found the following: lit-er-al-ly (lit'uhr uh lee) adv. 1. in the literal or strict sense: What does the word mean literally?. 2. in a literal manner; word for word: to translate literally. 3. actually; without exaggeration or inaccuracy: The city was literally destroyed. 4. in effect; in substance; very nearly; virtually. [1525-35] Usage. Since the early 20th century, LITERALLY has been widely used as an intensifier meaning " in effect, virtually ": The senator was literally buried alive in the June primaries. This use is often criticized; nevertheless, it appears in all but the most carefully edited writing, and probably neither distorts nor enhances the intended meaning-which, as in the example above, may already be couched in figurative language. In such cases, nothing is lost by omitting LITERALLY. Taken in the sense that I believe the correspondent intended, I'm content with the artical as written, literally. Irregardless, the tolerance of 'improper' useage of words ebbs and flows, littorally. -- Roger W. Broseus +-+-+-+ Will Linden +-+-+-+ > On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Michael J. O'Connor wrote: > >> is involved in the perception of melody. Some kind of self-perpetuating >> stimulus of these circuits may explain why familiar tunes like >> "Y.M.C.A." can literally become branded in the brain. Neural circuits >> for music perception also appear in the temporal lobes, which is >> involved in more basic sound processing. >> > > Their correspondents need to LITERALLY open a dictionary and find out > what "literally" LITERALLY means! > > (Will, who got sick of hate mail from the Council for Secular Humanism > asserting that poor them are "literally bombarded with customs, denials > and situations.") > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 09:01:38 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 09:01:20 -0700 From: bruce_hamilton-AT-agilent.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: Earworms, or rostromedial prefrontal cortex, taken literally To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT "Roger W. Broseus" wrote: > I decided to act on Will's recommendation [to open a dictionary and find out > what "literally" means] and found the following: > lit-er-al-ly (lit'uhr uh lee) adv. > 1. in the literal or strict sense: What does > the word mean literally?. > 2. in a literal manner; word for word: to > translate literally. > 3. actually; without exaggeration or > inaccuracy: The city was literally > destroyed. > 4. in effect; in substance; very nearly; > virtually. > [1525-35] > Usage. Since the early 20th century, LITERALLY has > been widely used as an intensifier meaning " in > effect, virtually ": The senator was literally > buried alive in the June primaries. This use is > often criticized; nevertheless, it appears in all > but the most carefully edited writing... Eeek! Fortunately, dictionaries differ on this. The Oxford American Dictionary gives (1) and (2) above, and adds "The word _literally_ is sometimes used mistakenly in statements that are clearly not to be taken literally, as in 'he was literally glued to the TV set every night.'" Rather than argue about which dictionary is more authoritative, I'll acknowledge that usage is drifting in the direction of accepting sense (4). Fowler explains why this is a shame: "Such false coin makes honest traffic in words impossible." -Bruce Hamilton ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 10:24:19 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 10:24:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Vincent Subject: Re: Earworms, or rostromedial prefrontal cortex To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <20030814172412.46319.qmail-AT-web12204.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT 'Literally become branded' seems reasonable to me. The encoding is a physical reality, not a figure of speech. 'Hate mail from CSH?' Will, I'm a proud member of CSH and was gravely concerned by this comment. I'd be happy to investigate it for you. --- Will Linden wrote: > > Their correspondents need to LITERALLY open a > dictionary and find out > what "literally" LITERALLY means! > > (Will, who got sick of hate mail from the Council > for Secular Humanism > asserting that poor them are "literally bombarded > with customs, denials > and situations.") > ===== Tom Vincent I looked up the definition of 'liberal' in a Random House dictionary. It gave the synonyms for 'liberal' as 'progressive', 'broad-minded', 'unprejudiced', 'beneficent'. The antonyms it offered: 'reactionary' and 'intolerant'. -- Walter Cronkite __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 08:15:28 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 11:15:04 -0400 (EDT) From: JBGrun-AT-aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Earworms, or rostromedial prefrontal cortex, taken literally To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <11c.254ad796.2c6fa478-AT-aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 8/14/03 9:54:37 AM, Roger-AT-JUST.NET writes: << Irregardless, the tolerance of 'improper' useage >> I'll never forget the message from the High School principal one of my kids brought home on the eve of his graduation: "irregardless of the weather, the commencement exercises will be held in the gym." Judy G ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 09:40:55 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 17:33:06 +0100 From: francis2 Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Sidmouth 03 To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <00b901c36415$19e78540$4a1e2850-AT-oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <010301c35ec6$39b366e0$527e86d9-AT-default> Anyone who is fed-up with Sidmouth, will be welcome at Broadstairs, A charming little town which is festival friendly, and season tickets are cheaper than Sidmouth, There is plenty going on for Dancers and others, some excellent Acts, top line bands, and while I am in charge, the dancing and workshops will be at least as good as Sidmouth, if not better. All we need is lots of dancers, This year the numbers were the best ever, and I aim to keep it that way. Francis Carter, Dance Director, Broadstairs Folk Week. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 10:01:18 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 18:01:02 +0100 From: Alan Corkett Subject: Re: Sidmouth 03 To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <00ae01c36417$f9d33620$1f1286d9-AT-default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT bit late for this year!!!! Alan -----Original Message----- From: francis2 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Date: 16 August 2003 17:52 Subject: Re: Sidmouth 03 Anyone who is fed-up with Sidmouth, will be welcome at Broadstairs, A charming little town which is festival friendly, and season tickets are cheaper than Sidmouth, There is plenty going on for Dancers and others, some excellent Acts, top line bands, and while I am in charge, the dancing and workshops will be at least as good as Sidmouth, if not better. All we need is lots of dancers, This year the numbers were the best ever, and I aim to keep it that way. Francis Carter, Dance Director, Broadstairs Folk Week. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 21:32:15 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 00:30:54 -0400 From: Carl Friedman Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Announcing: Baltimore Playford Ball - October 18 To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <971CA5D4-D06B-11D7-A256-000393C225F4-AT-alumni.williams.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Greetings to all ECDers, The 2003 Baltimore Folk Music Society Playford Ball will take place on Saturday, October 18, at Church of the Redeemer in Baltimore. Music will be by Hold the Mustard (Barbara Greenberg, Kathy Talvitie, Daniel Beerbohm and Paul Prestopino). Registration flyer (pdf) can be obtained at www.bfms.org. Info: playford-AT-bfms.org Dance program: Autumn in Amherst Barbarini’s Tambourine Come Let’s Be Merry Dick’s Maggot Dublin Bay Easter Thursday The Fandango The Female Sayler The Geud Man of Ballingigh Hambleton’s Round O The Homecoming The Irish Lamentation Jaque Latin Maiden Lane Mary K The Merry Conclusion Nonesuch Ore Boggy Smithy Hill St. Margaret’s Hill Hope to see many of you here in October. Carl and Diane Friedman ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 18:53:07 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 01:52:50 +0000 From: Margherita Davis Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Email Address Needed To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Does anyone have a current email address for Bryon Bonnett? Please reply off list. TIA. Margherita Davis margheritad1-AT-hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 14:33:16 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 14:32:26 -0700 From: "Vickie St.Germain" Subject: Harvest Ball 15 Nov - So. Cal. To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <3F453A69.44A18703-AT-EnglishCountryDancing.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT In the midst of a sweltering heat wave in California, one's mind tends to gravitate to cooler days to come in the fall, so I thought I'd take some time off from my campaign for Governor (just kidding) to tell you about The George and Martha Washington Cotillions' Third Annual Harvest Ball. Details may be found, and reservations made, at: http://englishcountrydancing.org/harvestball.html You'll find a list of the dances; and this year, folks can pay on-line through PayPal. But keeping the art of 17th and 18th century dance alive takes more than dedication, it takes what the boys in Vegas call "vigorish." To replenish our supply, in connection with the Harvest Ball we're having a raffle of some absolutely incredible items. The prizes may be perused, and donations made by way of ticket purchase, at: http://englishcountrydancing.org/raffle.html Best regards, Ed ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 17:10:52 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 19:10:19 -0500 From: Paul Stamler Subject: Re: Harvest Ball 15 Nov - So. Cal. To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <001901c36841$c6686840$b36c550c-AT-paulstam> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <3F453A69.44A18703-AT-EnglishCountryDancing.org> ----- Original Message ----- From: Vickie St.Germain <> If you want to be technical, "vigorish" refers to interest on a loan, a subset of the category "cash". But then, ECD thrives on interest. Peace, Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 20:04:56 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 23:03:16 -0400 (EDT) From: MWebbTaylor-AT-aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Announcing: Baltimore Playford Ball - October 18 To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <24.44ced8bc.2c7c27f4-AT-aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_O/S/My84Te4tMLmnX9fBrg)" --Boundary_(ID_O/S/My84Te4tMLmnX9fBrg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi, Carl, I will need a copy of Autumn in Amherst for the ball walkthrough. If you are coming to English next Monday, I am playing, so you could get me the music then. Thanks. Marty --Boundary_(ID_O/S/My84Te4tMLmnX9fBrg) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi, Carl,

     I will need a copy of Autumn in Amherst for the ball walkthrough.  If you are coming to English next Monday, I am playing, so you could get me the music then.
Thanks.

Marty

 --Boundary_(ID_O/S/My84Te4tMLmnX9fBrg)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:33:33 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 14:32:59 -0400 From: Lou Vosteen Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Faithless Nancy To: ecd-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Can anyone help me with the instructions for "Faithless Nancy Dawson"? Reply off-line, if you wish. Lvosteen1-AT-cox.net ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 12:29:03 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 12:24:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: Faithless Nancy To: Lou Vosteen CC: ecd-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01KZYFSC6CBS9SD68P-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; CHARSET=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Lou wrote: > Can anyone help me with the instructions for "Faithless Nancy Dawson"? I see that instructions are currently online as part of the "Rose Ball" website (Southern California Playford Ball this October 4). Dance list is at www.geocities.com/Vienna/Choir/2231/playford/danceslist/dancemasterlist.html I always think of B1 as beginning "Long lines fall back, setting" rather than "set to partner (while going away from her)" but the description otherwise accords with my knowledge of the dance. -- Alan -- =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:23:20 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:22:52 -0700 From: Jon Berger Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Faithless Nancy To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3F4D4B5C.8090405-AT-sbcglobal.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <01KZYFSC6CBS9SD68P-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> While we're on the subject, does anyone have any idea of where the name of this dance comes from? Who was Nancy Dawson, and why was her faithlessness celebrated by the creation of an English country dance? -- Jon Berger http://pages.sbcglobal.net/jberger ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:38:35 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:34:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: Faithless Nancy To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01KZYQM3Y27W9SCA9L-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; CHARSET=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <01KZYFSC6CBS9SD68P-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> Jon -- > While we're on the subject, does anyone have any idea of where the name of > this dance comes from? Who was Nancy Dawson, and why was her faithlessness > celebrated by the creation of an English country dance? She was clearly the maid who lived in Amsterdam (in some versions) and Plymouth Town (in others); the song ("A Rovin'") is also known, apparently, as "Faithless Nancy Dawson", although I've never heard the name given as part of the song. And the dance (from the 1960s, I think, though I don't know the author) is named after the song. Curiously, though, there's a different tune and dance pair called "Nancy Dawson"; the dance shows up in the Keller & Sweet Early American dance book, and is (I think) 1780s or so. The tune is also in the NW Morris repertoire, and is a very cheerful jig. -- Alan -- =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 06:16:29 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:11:36 -0300 From: John Wood Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Faithless Nancy [2] To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <003001c36d65$e93cb460$8492e018-AT-johnwood> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_hkGuECEx99aFgCv68cpimQ)" References: <01KZYFSC6CBS9SD68P-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> <01KZYQM3Y27W9SCA9L-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_hkGuECEx99aFgCv68cpimQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Alan: I have a copy of "Faithless Nancy Dawson," taken from an EFDSS magazine, about 1968, and it is illustrated with a line drawing of "square rigged" ship, plus two lines of music manuscript. Quote: "Country dance composed by Anna Bidder of Cambridge to the tune of *A-Rovin' * The tune, version 1 in Terry's Sea shanties, is reprinted by kind permission of Messrs. Curwen." Hope this is of interest. A note after the dance notation says "dancers should sing the chorus of the song if possible" but does not include any words. Regards, John Bedford, Nova Scotia Subject: Re: Faithless Nancy > While we're on the subject, does anyone have any idea of where the name of > this dance comes from? Who was Nancy Dawson, and why was her faithlessness > celebrated by the creation of an English country dance? She was clearly the maid who lived in Amsterdam (in some versions) and Plymouth Town (in others); the song ("A Rovin'") is also known, apparently, as "Faithless Nancy Dawson", although I've never heard the name given as part of the song. And the dance (from the 1960s, I think, though I don't know the author) is named after the song. Curiously, though, there's a different tune and dance pair called "Nancy Dawson"; the dance shows up in the Keller & Sweet Early American dance book, and is (I think) 1780s or so. --Boundary_(ID_hkGuECEx99aFgCv68cpimQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Alan:
 
I have a copy of "Faithless Nancy Dawson," taken
from an EFDSS magazine, about 1968,  and it is
illustrated with a line drawing of "square rigged" ship,
plus two lines of music manuscript.
 
Quote: "Country dance composed by Anna Bidder of Cambridge to the tune of *A-Rovin' * The tune, version 1 in Terry's Sea shanties, is reprinted by kind permission of Messrs. Curwen."
 
Hope this is of interest.
 
A note after the dance notation says "dancers should sing the chorus of the song if possible" but does not include any words.
 
Regards, John
Bedford, Nova Scotia
Subject: Re: Faithless Nancy
> While we're on the subject, does anyone have any idea of where the name of
> this dance comes from?  Who was Nancy Dawson, and why was her faithlessness
> celebrated by the creation of an English country dance?
She was clearly the maid who lived in Amsterdam (in some versions) and
Plymouth Town (in others); the song ("A Rovin'") is also known, apparently,
as "Faithless Nancy Dawson", although I've never heard the name given as
part of the song.
And the dance (from the 1960s, I think, though I don't know the author)
is named after the song.
Curiously, though, there's a different tune and dance pair called "Nancy
Dawson"; the dance shows up in the Keller & Sweet Early American dance
book, and is (I think) 1780s or so. 
--Boundary_(ID_hkGuECEx99aFgCv68cpimQ)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 06:44:15 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 14:44:01 +0100 From: Michael Barraclough Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Faithless Nancy [2] To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <200308281344.OAA23780-AT-galahad.tgis.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Full words are available at http://tigerlilyworkshop.com/Wordpp/A-roving.html. Chorus is: A-roving, a-roving, since roving's been my ruin, I'll go no more a-roving with you, false maid. or: A roving, a roving, since roving's been my ruin I'll go no more a roving with thee fair maid. Michael Barraclough http://www.mab.tgis.co.uk -- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 07:06:53 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:06:30 -0400 From: "Emily L. Ferguson" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Faithless Nancy [2] To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <200308281344.OAA23780-AT-galahad.tgis.co.uk> And you have to sing it "rue-eye-'n" -- Emily L. Ferguson mailto:elf-AT-cape.com 508-563-6822 New England landscapes, wooden boats and races, press photography http://www.vsu.cape.com/~elf ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:24:43 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:53:18 -0230 From: "Martin E. Mulligan" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Faithless Nancy To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT >Lou wrote: >> Can anyone help me with the instructions for "Faithless Nancy Dawson"? > >I see that instructions are currently online as part of the "Rose Ball" >website (Southern California Playford Ball this October 4). >Dance list is at > >www.geocities.com/Vienna/Choir/2231/playford/danceslist/dancemasterlist.html This prompted me to look at the instructions and now I want to include the dance on my list as we start our new season. However, I wasn't paying proper attention to the discussion on the variants and other tunes of the same name. Could anyone tell me the exact name of the music that should be used. Also it is in Barnes? Or could anyone point me to a source if it is not. Thanks Martin ========================================================================= Martin E. Mulligan St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada mulligan-AT-morgan.ucs.mun.ca ========================================================================= ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:58:27 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:57:58 -0700 From: Jon Berger Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Faithless Nancy To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3F4E3496.5090904-AT-sbcglobal.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <01KZYFSC6CBS9SD68P-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> <01KZYQM3Y27W9SCA9L-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote: > Jon -- > >> While we're on the subject, does anyone have any idea of where the >> name of >> this dance comes from? Who was Nancy Dawson, and why was her >> faithlessness >> celebrated by the creation of an English country dance? > > > She was clearly the maid who lived in Amsterdam (in some versions) and > Plymouth Town (in others); the song ("A Rovin'") is also known, apparently, > as "Faithless Nancy Dawson", although I've never heard the name given as > part of the song. Me neither, hence my curiosity. Has ANYONE ever heard "A-rovin'" called "Faithless Nancy Dawson" other than in the context of the dance? I can't even picture where in the tune the phrase "faithless Nancy Dawson" would fit. Perhaps Ms. Bidder is still around, and someone could ask her. -- Jon Berger http://pages.sbcglobal.net/jberger ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:59:58 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:57:19 -0300 From: John Wood Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Faithless Nancy [3] To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <001901c36d85$71c63940$8492e018-AT-johnwood> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_B7AFQgXXC+9k9D87kPH2bA)" References: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_B7AFQgXXC+9k9D87kPH2bA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi, Martin: This was just on the E-mail circuit to Alan Winston: I have a copy of "Faithless Nancy Dawson," taken from an EFDSS magazine, about 1968, and it is illustrated with a line drawing of "square rigged" ship, plus two lines of music manuscript. Yes, it's in Barnes, Page 38. Quote: "Country dance composed by Anna Bidder of Cambridge to the tune of *A-Rovin' * The tune, version 1 in Terry's Sea shanties, is reprinted by kind permission of Messrs. Curwen." Hope this is of interest. A note after the dance notation says "dancers should sing the chorus of the song if possible" but does not include any words. Regards, John Bedford, Nova Scotia Subject: Re: Faithless Nancy >Lou wrote: >> Can anyone help me with the instructions for "Faithless Nancy Dawson"? > >Dance list is at > >www.geocities.com/Vienna/Choir/2231/playford/danceslist/dancemasterlist.html This prompted me to look at the instructions and now I want to include the dance on my list as we start our new season. However, I wasn't paying proper attention to the discussion on the variants and other tunes of the same name. Could anyone tell me the exact name of the music that should be used. Also it is in Barnes? Or could anyone point me to a source if it is not. --Boundary_(ID_B7AFQgXXC+9k9D87kPH2bA) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Hi, Martin:
 
This was just on the E-mail circuit to Alan Winston:
 
I have a copy of "Faithless Nancy Dawson," taken
from an EFDSS magazine, about 1968,  and it is
illustrated with a line drawing of "square rigged" ship,
plus two lines of music manuscript.
 
Yes, it's in Barnes, Page 38.
 
Quote: "Country dance composed by Anna Bidder of Cambridge to the tune of *A-Rovin' * The tune, version 1 in Terry's Sea shanties, is reprinted by kind permission of Messrs. Curwen."
 
Hope this is of interest.
 
A note after the dance notation says "dancers should sing the chorus of the song if possible" but does not include any words.
 
Regards, John
Bedford, Nova Scotia
Subject: Re: Faithless Nancy
>Lou wrote:
>> Can anyone help me with the instructions for "Faithless Nancy Dawson"?
>
>Dance list is at
>
>www.geocities.com/Vienna/Choir/2231/playford/danceslist/dancemasterlist.html

This prompted me to look at the instructions and now I want to include the
dance on my list as we start our new season.
However, I wasn't paying proper attention to the discussion on the variants
and other tunes of the same name.  Could anyone tell me the exact name of
the music that should be used.  Also it is in  Barnes?  Or could anyone point me to a source if it is not.
--Boundary_(ID_B7AFQgXXC+9k9D87kPH2bA)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:01:56 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 15:01:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Terence Gaffney Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Faithless Nancy To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Jon Berger wrote: > > > Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote: > > > Jon -- > > > >> While we're on the subject, does anyone have any idea of where the > >> name of > >> this dance comes from? Who was Nancy Dawson, and why was her > >> faithlessness > >> celebrated by the creation of an English country dance? > > > > > > She was clearly the maid who lived in Amsterdam (in some versions) and > > Plymouth Town (in others); the song ("A Rovin'") is also known, apparently, > > as "Faithless Nancy Dawson", although I've never heard the name given as > > part of the song. > > Me neither, hence my curiosity. Has ANYONE ever heard "A-rovin'" called > "Faithless Nancy Dawson" other than in the context of the dance? I can't > even picture where in the tune the phrase "faithless Nancy Dawson" would fit. here in New England this is the Sea Chanty that everybody knows. When George Fogg asks the dancers to sing the final chorus, he gets a pretty good response. I only knew it under the name "A-rovin" though. Terry > > Perhaps Ms. Bidder is still around, and someone could ask her. > > -- > Jon Berger > http://pages.sbcglobal.net/jberger > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 16:14:29 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 19:14:09 -0400 (EDT) From: SallenNic-AT-aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re:Faithless Nancy Dawson To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <154.23d1cca9.2c813841-AT-aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 29/8/03 2:11:58 pm, system-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu writes: << Perhaps Ms. Bidder is still around, and someone could ask her. >> No luck, I'm afraid. Dr Anna Bidder died last year aged someting like 94. She was still in Cambridge (composed the dance for 'The Round', the Cambridge University dance group), and had been a Quaker doctor most of her life. I *think* she composed the dance before the second world war, but would need to check that, unless Hugh Stewart is reading this and can give a definitive answer. As for instructions: A 1 - 4 1st Co lead down through 2nd Co and cast back to place 5 - 8 2nd Co lead up through 1st Co and cast back to place 9 - 12 All go back to back with partner, starting Rsh: B 1 - 4 All set R & L backwards away from partner & come forward turning single to the R 5 - 8 3 changes of a square hey, starting Rsh with partner. It was a popular item of The Round's repertoire when I was dancing there in the early '60's, and is a very fine example of a dance which fits the tune to which it was devised so seamlessly that the tune can never be heard without calling the dance to mind. I would hate to think that anyone would do the dance to any other tune. <> ...actually *three* vowel sounds thus: "rue-eye-in" Nicolas B., Lanark, Scotland http://www.nicolasbroadbridge.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:39:44 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:39:12 -0700 From: Alan Ackerman Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re:Faithless Nancy Dawson To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <154.23d1cca9.2c813841-AT-aol.com> There is a web page Words to English Dance Tunes at http://tigerlilyworkshop.com/Words.html with a link Faithless Nancy Dawson, danced to A-roving to . No explanation for the name "Faithless Nancy Dawson", though. I searched for "Faithless Nancy Dawson" at Mudcat , but got no hits. Searching on Google, and on Sherlock, got me lots of "Faithless Nancy Dawson" hits, but all were to lists of English dances, or recordings. -- Alan Ackerman, alan.ackerman-AT-earthlink.net ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 19:26:22 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 19:25:52 -0700 From: Alan Ackerman Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re:Faithless Nancy Dawson To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <154.23d1cca9.2c813841-AT-aol.com> >There is a web page Words to English Dance Tunes at >http://tigerlilyworkshop.com/Words.html with a link Faithless Nancy >Dawson, danced to A-roving to >. No explanation >for the name "Faithless Nancy Dawson", though. I searched for >"Faithless Nancy Dawson" at Mudcat >, but got no hits. Searching on >Google, and on Sherlock, got me lots of "Faithless Nancy Dawson" >hits, but all were to lists of English dances, or recordings. >-- >Alan Ackerman, alan.ackerman-AT-earthlink.net So I went and posted a question on Mudcat. Several replies so far, see . Stan Hugill does have a verse for A-Rovin' in his Shanties of the Seven Seas: In Number One New England Square, Me Nancy Dawson she lives there. Several other Nancy Dawsons, but none, so far, seem very likely sources for the name of the dance. -- Alan Ackerman, alan.ackerman-AT-earthlink.net ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:21:37 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:18:16 -0700 From: Ric Goldman Subject: Any activities around Atlanta, Georgia (or the overall U.S. Southeast) Nov 21-23? To: 'List - ECD PLAYFORD' Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi folks, Besides the obligatory family visits, we were going to sign up for the Morris workshop at Brasstown in North Carolina, with Alistair Brown. I understand that that workshop has been cancelled, so I was wondering if there's any other similar activities (Ales, Faires, events, camps, dances, workshops, ???) going on in the Southeast (yes we'll have a car). Please reply off-list. Thanx, Ric Goldman timelord-AT-rgoldman.org http://rgoldman.org/welcome.htm ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 02:13:06 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:17:36 +0100 From: trev Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Sydney To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <002201c36fa0$dc056f20$c03a0751-AT-trevormo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Does anyone know if there is any dancing in Sydney Australia (Nov to March)? Friends of ours are staying there for 5 months. They have been English dancing for the last couple of years, but have just found they like Welsh and Irish Set dancing after going to these workshops at Southam. May as well throw in Scottish dancing also - as they should cope with that! They are very keen to keep dancing while they are away. Thanks, Trevor Monson --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 19/08/03 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 18:57:48 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 11:57:20 +1000 From: jared-AT-netspace.net.au Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Sydney To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <1062381440.3f52a780642fe-AT-webmail.netspace.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > Does anyone know if there is any dancing in Sydney Australia (Nov to > March)? http://dancingtheweb.com, look for Australia and then New South Wales ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au