Archive-Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 19:04:54 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 22:10:41 -0400 From: John Daly Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: MidSummer Night's Ball in Melbourne Florida To: ecd-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT The South Brevard Dancers offer their Second MidSummer Night's Ball at Melbourne Village, Florida, on Saturday June 21 and Sunday June 22, 2003. We start Saturday at 1:00 pm with workshops presenting dances which require more time to teach than we want to spend during the evening Ball. Leaders for the workshops will be George and Onie Senyk, Catie Geist, and John Daly. If the floor needs it we can offer side sessions for those with minimal to no experience at English Dance. Workshops will end about 4:00 pm. The workshops will use recorded music. At 6:30 pm we will serve a meal. All I can say is last year it was pretty good and we hope to make this year's meal even better. Menu choices are beef, salmon, or vegetarian. This will be a nice sit-down meal. Our dinner committee enjoys cooking, and we are striving for gourmet quality, at least as close as one can come with the space and time available. The Ball starts at 8:00 pm with music by Southern Jubilee. Various dance leaders from the community will cue the dances. Period dress is encouraged, but certainly not required. Sunday, June 22, we will serve a light breakfast followed by informal dancing and music until 11:00 am when we need to clean up and go home. Cost is $25.00 for all or part. We are trying to hold registrations to 60 people -- we don't want to turn anybody away but many more and the floor is just too crowded and serving the meal becomes a problem. We need menu selections by June 14th in order to have the food on hand. There's a basic flyer and map on www.folkdance.org. If I get efficient, I'll have the Ball program and workshop selections by this weekend. Questions or reservations to jbdaly-AT-compuserve.com. We would enjoy having any list members who might be travelling our way. John Daly ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 22:13:40 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 22:13:25 -0700 From: Chris Sackett & Brooke Friendly Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Bare Necessities in Oregon To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3EDED174.A27E367F-AT-opendoor.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <55066108-7EB6-11D7-83A3-000393C225F4-AT-alumni.williams.edu> <3EB62170.21DEA0D3-AT-attglobal.net> <3EC13003.C868B316-AT-attglobal.net> The Eugene Branch of The Heather and The Rose Country Dancers presents a weekend with Bare Necessities September 5-7 at Sky Camp outside of Eugene, Oregon. I will teach English and Chuck Ryer will offer a Scottish workshop. The information, including a registration form, is posted on the web at www.opendoor.com/heatherandrose. Hope to see some of you there. Brooke Friendly Ashland, Oregon ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 05:41:15 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 05:41:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Vincent Subject: list To: ecd-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU, sca-dance-AT-andrew.cmu.edu Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <20030606124101.13217.qmail-AT-web12204.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT subscribe rendance Tom Vincent ===== Tom Vincent May you work like you don't need the money, Love like you've never been hurt, And dance like no-one is watching. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 05:48:03 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 05:47:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Vincent Subject: Choreography Animation Software To: ecd-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU, sca-dance-AT-andrew.cmu.edu, RENDANCE-AT-MORGAN.UCS.MUN.CA Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <20030606124748.14014.qmail-AT-web12204.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Greetings to the list. Has anyone used any animation software to do historical dance choreography? Many years ago there was a great software package from Broderbund for the Apple II called Fantavision and I wondered if anyone is using anything like that to choreograph Renaissance or English Country Dances. I think it would be handy to visually show someone's conception/redaction/interpretation of a particular dance. Tom / Duriel ===== Tom Vincent May you work like you don't need the money, Love like you've never been hurt, And dance like no-one is watching. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 05:50:55 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 05:50:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Vincent Subject: Re: list To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU, ecd-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU, sca-dance-AT-andrew.cmu.edu Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <20030606125044.27447.qmail-AT-web12206.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sorry. My screw-up. :< --- Tom Vincent wrote: > subscribe rendance Tom Vincent > ===== Tom Vincent May you work like you don't need the money, Love like you've never been hurt, And dance like no-one is watching. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 05:50:57 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 05:50:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Vincent Subject: Re: list To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU, ecd-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU, sca-dance-AT-andrew.cmu.edu Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <20030606125044.27447.qmail-AT-web12206.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sorry. My screw-up. :< --- Tom Vincent wrote: > subscribe rendance Tom Vincent > ===== Tom Vincent May you work like you don't need the money, Love like you've never been hurt, And dance like no-one is watching. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 06:01:27 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 06:01:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Vincent Subject: Stanford ECD To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <20030606130113.16358.qmail-AT-web12204.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Okay, so I'm at work trying to remember the e-mail address for the ECD list and all I could remember was that it was based out of Stanford. So I do a Google search for 'ECD Stanford' and, oddly enough, the first hit is for 'Stanford R. Ovshinsky, President and Chief Executive Officer of Energy Conversion Devices Inc.'! Well, it's a Friday. :) Tom ===== Tom Vincent May you work like you don't need the money, Love like you've never been hurt, And dance like no-one is watching. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 13:12:21 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 13:12:06 -0700 From: Janet Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Help To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <001a01c32d31$119e72b0$685c0844-AT-CX980032A> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi I am looking for the instructions to The Beau's Retreat and cannot find mine can anyone help me out? I was planning to teach it tomorrow, Sunday night. Thanks Janet ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 14:55:50 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 14:57:03 -0700 From: "Ed St.Germain" Subject: need help in Charleston To: ECD list CC: szabinski-AT-sc.rr.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <3EE25FAE.9BA7B3BD-AT-AmericanRevolution.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT As some of you may know, The Charleston (South Carolina) Museum has just launched a major exhibit on the British occupation of Charleston by the British during the Revolutionary War. Details can be found at: http://www.americanrevolution.org/charleston.html I just received the following message from a friend who is connected with the exhibit: "...The museum is talking seriously about having an big event to close the exhibit. December 14th is the close of the exhibit and that is the actual date the British left Charleston. Years ago they used to have a re-enactment every year that chased the British out of the city on the anniversary date. We want to do the same thing this year and hold a colonial ball as well. It will be the first in the city in decades. Any suggestions you may have from your experience with colonial balls would be appreciated. I really want to do this and I know I can promote it..." If anyone can help bring Colonial Balls back to Charleston, please contact Sherrie at the e-mail address in the cc above. Thanks in advance, Ed ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 04:21:23 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 12:21:36 +0100 From: francis2 Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Help To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <001001c32db0$20c548c0$85403c3e-AT-oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <001a01c32d31$119e72b0$685c0844-AT-CX980032A> The Beau's retreat is in Fallibroome Book 2 No 5, Page 11.If you have a fax no I can fax you the page ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet" To: Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 9:12 PM Subject: Help > Hi > I am looking for the instructions to The Beau's Retreat and cannot find mine > can anyone help me out? I was planning to teach it tomorrow, Sunday night. > Thanks > Janet > > > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 16:17:29 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 09:15:37 +1000 From: jared gottlieb Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: MidSummer Night's Ball in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT 8pm, Saturday 21st June, 2003 at the Preston Town Hall, cnr Gower & High Sts, Preston. BYO drinks and a plate of supper to share. Sandwiches and hot drinks provided. $22 or $17 pre-paid. Contact: Robin (03) 9723 2453 or 0413 209 334. With the music of 'Blackberry Jam'. The programme will be selected from Australian, English, Scottish and Irish dances. This year's ball is 'The Moulin Rouge'. Fancy dress encouraged. Organised by the Melbourne Colonial Dancers Inc. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 18:41:12 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:23:23 -0400 From: Patricia Ruggiero Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: not getting any mail To: English Dance Message-ID: <001101c32f64$3b3ffc30$b369b141-AT-g9tfz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT test message Pat ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 18:41:17 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 09:46:06 -0400 From: Deb Karl Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: off-topic: the importance of teachers To: ECD list Message-ID: <3EE48F9E.1358F60D-AT-wi.mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I had the pleasure of watching my oldest graduate from Dartmouth College yesterday. The commencement speaker was historian/author David McCullough, who took as his theme the importance of teachers and teaching. I thought those teachers on the List might like to read his words of appreciation for the work that you do. Here's the link to the transcript of his speech: http://www.dartmouth.edu/~news/releases/2003/june/060803a.html --Deb Karl, proud mom ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 18:41:26 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 00:06:40 -0300 From: John Wood Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: ECD in Melbourne? To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <001401c32fc6$7b071e40$8492e018-AT-johnwood> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Tr6sukKF2UrsrVTiu3twzQ)" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_Tr6sukKF2UrsrVTiu3twzQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi, Folks: If I may take up a bit of space to ask if any of our Australian colleagues know if there is ECD in Melbourne. A member of my group will be visiting there around July 15th and onward. Regards, John Bedford, Nova Scotia --Boundary_(ID_Tr6sukKF2UrsrVTiu3twzQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Hi, Folks:
 
If I may take up a bit of space to ask if any of our
Australian colleagues know if there is ECD in
Melbourne.
 
A member of my group will be visiting there around
July 15th and onward.
 
Regards, John
Bedford, Nova Scotia
--Boundary_(ID_Tr6sukKF2UrsrVTiu3twzQ)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 18:41:31 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 19:04:03 -0300 From: John Wood Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: ECD in Melbourne, Australia To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <001801c33065$5f95f880$8492e018-AT-johnwood> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_KHeFdpA7aFCkGOxW5idRCg)" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_KHeFdpA7aFCkGOxW5idRCg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi, Folks: If I may take up a bit of space to ask if any of our Australian colleagues know if there is ECD in Melbourne. A member of my group will be visiting there around July 15th and onward. Regards, John Bedford, Nova Scotia --Boundary_(ID_KHeFdpA7aFCkGOxW5idRCg) Content-type: text/html; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Hi, Folks:
 
If I may take up a bit of space to ask if any of our
Australian colleagues know if there is ECD in
Melbourne.
 
A member of my group will be visiting there around
July 15th and onward.
 
Regards, John
Bedford, Nova Scotia
--Boundary_(ID_KHeFdpA7aFCkGOxW5idRCg)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 18:41:35 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 13:30:24 -0400 From: Patricia Ruggiero Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: FW: advice on 1890s ballroom dancing To: English Dance CC: alison.wright-AT-air-edel.co.uk Message-ID: <000b01c32eac$cfa3b190$3b61bc3f-AT-g9tfz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hello to all, Is there anyone on the list who can help with this? Please reply to Alison.Wright-AT-air-edel.co.uk Thanks! Pat -----Original Message----- From: Alison Wright [mailto:Alison.Wright-AT-air-edel.co.uk] Dear Pat, I was wondering whether you could help me. We are a music production company for film and television and I am doing some music research for a film. The film is a true story of William Lanarch and will be shot in New Zealand at Lanarch castle. It's a period film (obviously) set around 1890's and is about Lanarch's life and the first settlers to New Zealand. I am sourcing some music for 'ballroom' dances in the castle and was wondering what kind of dance styles/music and instrumentalists would be most apt for that period. We're talking middle class here, posh dresses etc. I have quite a collection but the style of music would very much be in accordance with the kind of dances they would be doing then. Any information would be most appreciated. Kind Regards Alison Alison Wright Producer Air-Edel Associates Ltd 18 Rodmarton Street London W1U 8BJ Tel:+44 (0)207 486 6466 Fax:+44 (0)207 224 0344 Mobile: +44 (0)778 757 0088 The information in this Internet e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential, may be legally privileged and is intended solely for the Addressee(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, then any dissemination or copying of this e-mail (and any attachments) is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by e-mail or telephone, then delete the message. Thank you. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 18:41:40 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 22:57:41 -0400 From: Patricia Ruggiero Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: FW: advice on 1890s ballroom dancing To: English Dance Message-ID: <001701c32efc$0edb3870$7f08bc3f-AT-g9tfz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Apologies if this is a second posting. I haven't seen it come through yet. Pat -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Ruggiero [mailto:ruggierop-AT-earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 1:30 PM To: English Dance Cc: alison.wright-AT-air-edel.co.uk Subject: FW: advice on 1890s ballroom dancing Hello to all, Is there anyone on the list who can help with this? Please reply to Alison.Wright-AT-air-edel.co.uk Thanks! Pat -----Original Message----- From: Alison Wright [mailto:Alison.Wright-AT-air-edel.co.uk] Dear Pat, I was wondering whether you could help me. We are a music production company for film and television and I am doing some music research for a film. The film is a true story of William Lanarch and will be shot in New Zealand at Lanarch castle. It's a period film (obviously) set around 1890's and is about Lanarch's life and the first settlers to New Zealand. I am sourcing some music for 'ballroom' dances in the castle and was wondering what kind of dance styles/music and instrumentalists would be most apt for that period. We're talking middle class here, posh dresses etc. I have quite a collection but the style of music would very much be in accordance with the kind of dances they would be doing then. Any information would be most appreciated. Kind Regards Alison Alison Wright Producer Air-Edel Associates Ltd 18 Rodmarton Street London W1U 8BJ Tel:+44 (0)207 486 6466 Fax:+44 (0)207 224 0344 Mobile: +44 (0)778 757 0088 The information in this Internet e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential, may be legally privileged and is intended solely for the Addressee(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, then any dissemination or copying of this e-mail (and any attachments) is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by e-mail or telephone, then delete the message. Thank you. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 18:41:44 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 13:27:32 -0500 From: Jonathan Sivier Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: variation on Sweet Richard To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20030609132732.A2742-AT-uiuc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT At our Playford Ball this past Saturday we did a variation on the early American dance Sweet Richard from "A Choice Selection of American Country Dances of the Revolutionary Era" by Keller and Sweet. I found the A part to be a bit awkward and thought of substituting the A part from Freeford Gardens. This fits the music very well and has a similar action (set to partner and cross over) to the original A part. I also decided to include the 3's in the A part instead of having them stand and watch as in the original. It worked very well and seemed to be well received by the dancers. Here are the revised instructions. Sweet Richard modified by Jonathan Sivier triple proper longways A1 All set forward to partner (1-2), Turn single back to place (3-4). Cross over by right shoulder, then loop left into partner's place (5-8) A2 Repeat A1 back to original place B1 1st couples cross over 2 couples (1-8) (cross over, cast below the 2's, cross again, cast below the 3's), Lead up the center and cast into 2nd place, 2's moving up (9-12) B2 1st and 3rd couples circle left (1-4) 1st and 2nd couples 4 changes of right and lefts (5-12) Jonathan ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Jonathan Sivier |Q: How many angels can dance on the | | jsivier-AT-uiuc.edu | head of a pin? | | Flight Simulation Lab |A: It depends on what dance you call. | | Beckman Institute | | | 405 N. Mathews | SWMDG - Single White Male | | Urbana, IL 61801 | Dance Gypsy | | Work: 217/244-1923 | | | Home: 217/359-8225 | Have shoes, will dance. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Home page URL: http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/jsivier | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 18:47:02 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 20:15:44 +0100 From: Alan Corkett Subject: Words please... To: EngCountryDance Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <001e01c33117$09dd1b00$e44286d9-AT-default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi ! Can anyone help with the words to the song, "In an English Country Garden". Thanks Alan Corkett Nether Stowey Somerset UK. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 18:47:11 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 03:56:50 -0500 From: Paul Stamler Subject: Re: variation on Sweet Richard To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <006501c330c0$906ca840$5869550c-AT-paulstam> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <20030609132732.A2742-AT-uiuc.edu> Hi folks: I was there and danced Jonathan's variation on "Sweet Richard", and it was great fun! That rarity of rarities, an easy triple -- we're going to call it this Friday at the St. Louis English Country Dancers' regular dance, and use it to introduce beginners to triple-minor formation. Easy, and elegant too. Peace, Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 18:47:15 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:59:44 +1000 From: jared gottlieb Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD in Melbourne, Australia To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <001801c33065$5f95f880$8492e018-AT-johnwood> Yes! (1) A list of Australian ECD venues can be found at http://englishcountrydancing.com (2) For Melbourne there is dancing at Well Hall, 11-13 Yann Str, Preston. Tuesdays, 7.45 - 9.45 pm. For further details, such as transport, please contact myself off list. Cheers, jared Hi, Folks: If I may take up a bit of space to ask if any of our Australian colleagues know if there is ECD in Melbourne. A member of my group will be visiting there around July 15th and onward. Regards, John Bedford, Nova Scotia ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 18:47:24 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 04:01:02 -0500 From: Paul Stamler Subject: St. Louis - change of venue To: ecd list Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <006b01c330c1$26babee0$5869550c-AT-paulstam> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi folks: Just a note to out-of-town folks: The St. Louis English Country Dancers' regular 2nd-Friday dance series will henceforth be held at the Ethical Society of St. Louis, 9001 Clayton Road, in Richmond Heights, rather than at Church of the Holy Communion, which is undergoing renovation. The first dance in the new location is tomorrow, Friday, June 13th; if you're in the vicinity, come join us! The change has been forwarded to CDSS, and should appear in the next directory. Our 4th-Monday dance series continues at Focal Point Arts Center, 2720 Sutton Blvd., in Maplewood. Peace, Paul "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." -- Margaret Mead ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 18:47:33 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:07:41 +1000 From: Aylwen Garden Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD in Melbourne, Australia To: "ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_LIS7i0UDWCKLuuifdH6oRw)" > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --Boundary_(ID_LIS7i0UDWCKLuuifdH6oRw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Jared Gottlieb is one of the best people in Melbourne to contact ­ any chance of coming up to Canberra? We have ECD dancing here at least once a week! Many thanks, Aylwen Garden ----------------------------------------------------- http://www.earthlydelights.com.au Music, Dance & Costumes ----------------------------------------------------- From: John Wood > Reply-To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu > Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 19:04:03 -0300 > To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu > Subject: ECD in Melbourne, Australia > > Hi, Folks: > > If I may take up a bit of space to ask if any of our > Australian colleagues know if there is ECD in > Melbourne. > > A member of my group will be visiting there around > July 15th and onward. > > Regards, John > Bedford, Nova Scotia > --Boundary_(ID_LIS7i0UDWCKLuuifdH6oRw) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Re: ECD in Melbourne, Australia Jared Gottlieb <jared-AT-NETSPACE.NET.AU> is one of the best people in Melbourne to contact – any chance of coming up to Canberra? We have ECD dancing here at least once a week!
Many thanks,
Aylwen Garden

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From: John Wood <johnwood-AT-ACCESSCABLE.NET>
Reply-To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 19:04:03 -0300
To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu
Subject: ECD in Melbourne, Australia


Hi, Folks:
 
If I may take up a bit of space to ask if any of our
Australian colleagues know if there is ECD in
Melbourne.
 
A member of my group will be visiting there around
July 15th and onward.
 
Regards, John
Bedford, Nova Scotia


 --Boundary_(ID_LIS7i0UDWCKLuuifdH6oRw)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 22:05:00 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 06:04:02 +0100 From: Barry McNamara Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Words please... To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <000701c33169$35c16620$bbb7fea9-AT-freeserve.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <001e01c33117$09dd1b00$e44286d9-AT-default> Hi Alan, I think you will find what you are looking for -AT-......http://www.nanamouskouri.de/anenglis.htm. Give it a try and let me know if it's what you're searching for, there are other humerous versions around but I think this one's the Real McCoy. Regards, Barry McNamara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Corkett" To: "EngCountryDance" Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 8:15 PM Subject: Words please... > Hi ! > Can anyone help with the words to the song, "In an English Country Garden". > > Thanks > Alan Corkett > Nether Stowey > Somerset UK. > > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 04:44:16 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 08:42:29 -0300 From: John Wood Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD in Melbourne, Australia [2] To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <002f01c331a0$dec09fc0$8492e018-AT-johnwood> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_aWrKaafd/eZ7CtzQtIMYgA)" References: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_aWrKaafd/eZ7CtzQtIMYgA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Re: ECD in Melbourne, AustraliaHi, Aylwen: I appreciate your help. I will pass on your information to my dancer. I do not believe she will have enough time to visit you, I'm afraid. I wish that I could come and visit! Sincere regards, John Bedford, Nova Scotia Subject: Re: ECD in Melbourne, Australia Jared Gottlieb is one of the best people in Melbourne to contact - any chance of coming up to Canberra? We have ECD dancing here at least once a week! --Boundary_(ID_aWrKaafd/eZ7CtzQtIMYgA) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Re: ECD in Melbourne, Australia
Hi, Aylwen:
 
I appreciate your help. I will pass on your information
to my dancer.
 
I do not believe she will have enough time to visit you,
I'm afraid. I wish that I could come and visit!
 
Sincere regards, John
 
Bedford, Nova Scotia
 
Subject: Re: ECD in Melbourne, Australia
Jared Gottlieb <jared-AT-NETSPACE.NET.AU> is one of the best people in Melbourne to contact – any chance of coming up to Canberra? We have ECD dancing here at least once a week!
--Boundary_(ID_aWrKaafd/eZ7CtzQtIMYgA)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 06:37:10 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:36:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "Susan R. Lorand" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: variation on Sweet Richard To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Paul Stamler wrote: > I was there and danced Jonathan's variation on "Sweet Richard", and it was > great fun! That rarity of rarities, an easy triple -- we're going to call it > this Friday at the St. Louis English Country Dancers' regular dance, and use > it to introduce beginners to triple-minor formation. Easy, and elegant too. it's got a nice tune, too. glad to hear it's getting adapted for modern ECD. (the colonial assembly of the philadelphia-based germantown country dancers dances it in costume, with 18th-century steps, which is beautiful to watch.) susie lorand ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 07:22:36 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:22:17 -0400 (EDT) From: David.Millstone-AT-valley.net (David Millstone) Subject: Re: Words please To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <27914880-AT-enfield.VALLEY.NET> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT "How many gentle flowers grow In an English country garden..." Ah, but my favorite verses are the more modern ones a friend encountered years ago when she went to Jean Redpath's singing school in Scotland: What do you do when you need the loo In an English country garden? Pull down your plants and fertilize the plants In an English country garden. What do you do when you've done the loo In an English country garden? Pull off a leaf and wipe your underneath In an English country garden. David ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 07:46:34 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:31:42 -0500 From: "M.G. Mudrey, Jr." Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: variation on Sweet Richard To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030613093049.00abcca0-AT-mail.mhtc.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_iqXNtWCQEdZAyOjK/jNd0g)" --Boundary_(ID_iqXNtWCQEdZAyOjK/jNd0g) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT At 09:36 AM 6/13/2003 -0400, you wrote: >On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Paul Stamler wrote: > > > I was there and danced Jonathan's variation on "Sweet Richard", and it was > > great fun! That rarity of rarities, an easy triple -- we're going to > call it > > this Friday at the St. Louis English Country Dancers' regular dance, > and use > > it to introduce beginners to triple-minor formation. Easy, and elegant too. Refresh my memory on the variant (save me a search through the ECD postings...) I toss it into our bin and try in this coming Monday here in Madison. Mike M.G. Mudrey, Jr. Wisconsin Geological and Natural History Survey University of Wisconsin-Extension 3817 Mineral Point Road Madison, WI 53705-5100 USA Voice: 608-263-5495 Fax: 608-262-8086 Email: mgmudrey-AT-wisc.edu Survey Web Site: http://www.uwex.edu/wgnhs/ --Boundary_(ID_iqXNtWCQEdZAyOjK/jNd0g) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT At 09:36 AM 6/13/2003 -0400, you wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Paul Stamler wrote:

> I was there and danced Jonathan's variation on "Sweet Richard", and it was
> great fun! That rarity of rarities, an easy triple -- we're going to call it
> this Friday at the St. Louis English Country Dancers' regular dance, and use
> it to introduce beginners to triple-minor formation. Easy, and elegant too.

Refresh my memory on the variant (save me a search through the ECD postings...)

I toss it into our bin and try in this coming Monday here in Madison.

Mike

M.G. Mudrey, Jr.
Wisconsin Geological and Natural History Survey
University of Wisconsin-Extension
3817 Mineral Point Road
Madison, WI 53705-5100
USA

Voice: 608-263-5495
Fax:    608-262-8086
Email: mgmudrey-AT-wisc.edu

Survey Web Site: http://www.uwex.edu/wgnhs/
 --Boundary_(ID_iqXNtWCQEdZAyOjK/jNd0g)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 07:46:58 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:46:48 -0500 (CDT) From: jsivier-AT-uiuc.edu (Jonathan Sivier) Subject: Re: variation on Sweet Richard To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <200306131446.h5DEkndq003704-AT-staff2.cso.uiuc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Susan R. Lorand writes: > > On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Paul Stamler wrote: > > > I was there and danced Jonathan's variation on "Sweet Richard", and it was > > great fun! That rarity of rarities, an easy triple -- we're going to call it > > this Friday at the St. Louis English Country Dancers' regular dance, and use > > it to introduce beginners to triple-minor formation. Easy, and elegant too. > > it's got a nice tune, too. glad to hear it's getting adapted for modern > ECD. (the colonial assembly of the philadelphia-based germantown country > dancers dances it in costume, with 18th-century steps, which is beautiful > to watch.) That would be nice to see. The tune is what made me want to do the dance. Ever since I got the book and tape, many years ago, I had been intending to do it at one of our dances. Jonathan ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Jonathan Sivier |Q: How many angels can dance on the | | jsivier-AT-uiuc.edu | head of a pin? | | Flight Simulation Lab |A: It depends on what dance you call. | | Beckman Institute | | | 405 N. Mathews | SWMDG - Single White Male | | Urbana, IL 61801 | Dance Gypsy | | Work: 217/244-1923 | | | Home: 217/359-8225 | Have shoes, will dance. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Home page URL: http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/jsivier | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 07:56:58 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:56:46 -0500 (CDT) From: jsivier-AT-uiuc.edu (Jonathan Sivier) Subject: Re: variation on Sweet Richard To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <200306131456.h5DEulOv006583-AT-staff2.cso.uiuc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT M.G. Mudrey, Jr. writes: > > > Refresh my memory on the variant (save me a search through the ECD postings...) > I toss it into our bin and try in this coming Monday here in Madison. Sweet Richard modified by Jonathan Sivier triple proper longways A1 All set forward to partner (1-2), Turn single back to place (3-4). Cross over by right shoulder, then loop left into partner's place (5-8) A2 Repeat A1 back to original place B1 1st couples cross over 2 couples (1-8) (cross over, cast below the 2's, cross again, cast below the 3's), Lead up the center and cast into 2nd place, 2's moving up (9-12) B2 1st and 3rd couples circle left (1-4) 1st and 2nd couples 4 changes of right and lefts (5-12) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 08:17:20 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:09:41 -0500 From: "M.G. Mudrey, Jr." Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: variation on Sweet Richard To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030613100823.024326a8-AT-mail.mhtc.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_7194Wa/FWcQgnX8kYI9wRQ)" --Boundary_(ID_7194Wa/FWcQgnX8kYI9wRQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Jonathan...thank you...mm M.G. Mudrey, Jr. Wisconsin Geological and Natural History Survey University of Wisconsin-Extension 3817 Mineral Point Road Madison, WI 53705-5100 USA Voice: 608-263-5495 Fax: 608-262-8086 Email: mgmudrey-AT-wisc.edu Survey Web Site: http://www.uwex.edu/wgnhs/ --Boundary_(ID_7194Wa/FWcQgnX8kYI9wRQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Jonathan...thank you...mm

M.G. Mudrey, Jr.
Wisconsin Geological and Natural History Survey
University of Wisconsin-Extension
3817 Mineral Point Road
Madison, WI 53705-5100
USA

Voice: 608-263-5495
Fax:    608-262-8086
Email: mgmudrey-AT-wisc.edu

Survey Web Site: http://www.uwex.edu/wgnhs/
 --Boundary_(ID_7194Wa/FWcQgnX8kYI9wRQ)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 06:33:48 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 10:26:32 -0300 From: John Wood Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Help on "Portsmouth" To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <000a01c3340a$e7993280$8492e018-AT-johnwood> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_sDgD+4IfDjEt6TO5gIlTeQ)" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_sDgD+4IfDjEt6TO5gIlTeQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi, Folks: Just received the Bare Necessities' CD "The Night Cap." Enthralled by their rendering of "Portsmouth." But find in Sharp's Vol. VI that it is a 24-bar dance. Also same in "The Playford Ball." My interpretation of BN's playing was 32 bars. Checking in Barnes' Sheet Music Book I find "Portsmouth" MS indicates 32 bars! Have any modifications been made to the figures to fit 32 bars? Or what? Your comments would be helpful. Regards, John Bedford, Nova Scotia --Boundary_(ID_sDgD+4IfDjEt6TO5gIlTeQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

Hi, Folks:
 
Just received the Bare Necessities' CD "The Night Cap."
 
Enthralled by their rendering of "Portsmouth."
 
But find in Sharp's Vol. VI that it is a 24-bar dance. Also same in "The Playford Ball."
 
My interpretation of BN's playing was 32 bars.
 
Checking in Barnes' Sheet Music Book I find "Portsmouth"
MS indicates 32 bars!
 
Have any modifications been made to the figures to
fit 32 bars?
 
Or what?
 
Your comments would be helpful.
 
Regards, John
Bedford, Nova Scotia
 
--Boundary_(ID_sDgD+4IfDjEt6TO5gIlTeQ)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 07:02:14 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 07:01:55 -0700 (PDT) From: SUSAN Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: "Nightcap" questions To: Ecd-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20030616140155.38609.qmail-AT-web80202.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_GCWCHqn/z5AxIT5niu2Y/A)" --Boundary_(ID_GCWCHqn/z5AxIT5niu2Y/A) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Bare Necessities intended their lovely "Nightcap" album for listening rather than dancing, as they indicate in their album notes - the music is ECD music, but is not arranged for dancing. Hopes this helps sort out the confusion- Susan B. --Boundary_(ID_GCWCHqn/z5AxIT5niu2Y/A) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Bare Necessities intended their lovely "Nightcap" album for listening rather than dancing, as they indicate in their album notes - the music is ECD music, but is not arranged for dancing.
 
Hopes this helps sort out the confusion-
 
Susan B.
--Boundary_(ID_GCWCHqn/z5AxIT5niu2Y/A)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 07:52:26 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 07:49:59 -0700 From: Sharon Green Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Help on "Portsmouth" To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030616074356.02bdffd0-AT-popserver.panix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_KdYdtsuGrlQzGMuUWrqz6Q)" --Boundary_(ID_KdYdtsuGrlQzGMuUWrqz6Q) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT At 10:26 AM 6/16/2003 -0300, John wrote: > >But find in Sharp's Vol. VI that it is a 24-bar dance. Also same in "The >Playford Ball." > >My interpretation of BN's playing was 32 bars. > >Checking in Barnes' Sheet Music Book I find "Portsmouth" >MS indicates 32 bars! > >Have any modifications been made to the figures to >fit 32 bars? Hi John, Pat Shaw's popular reinterpretation of "Portsmouth" takes 32 bars. A1 & A2 are the same. B1 Ones cross & go below [Twos move up] Ones 1/2 figure 8 up B2 4 changes R & L with hands Much love, Sharon --Boundary_(ID_KdYdtsuGrlQzGMuUWrqz6Q) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT At 10:26 AM 6/16/2003 -0300, John wrote:
 
But find in Sharp's Vol. VI that it is a 24-bar dance. Also same in "The Playford Ball."
 
My interpretation of BN's playing was 32 bars.
 
Checking in Barnes' Sheet Music Book I find "Portsmouth"
MS indicates 32 bars!
 
Have any modifications been made to the figures to
fit 32 bars?

Hi John,
Pat Shaw's popular reinterpretation of "Portsmouth" takes 32 bars.  A1 & A2 are the same.

B1      Ones cross & go below [Twos move up]
        Ones 1/2 figure 8 up
B2      4 changes R & L with hands

Much love,
Sharon --Boundary_(ID_KdYdtsuGrlQzGMuUWrqz6Q)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:18:01 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 12:13:08 -0300 From: John Wood Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: "Nightcap" questions [2] To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <001101c33419$cb6dbfe0$8492e018-AT-johnwood> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_g3C2NNWjR5XKo+FMd7vyHw)" References: <20030616140155.38609.qmail-AT-web80202.mail.yahoo.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_g3C2NNWjR5XKo+FMd7vyHw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi, Susan: Yes, indeed! I appreciate you replying: I should have assimilated the sleeve notes more. However, as I do not have recorded music for the dance I was grasping at straws -- maybe! Sincere thanks. John Subject: "Nightcap" questions Bare Necessities intended their lovely "Nightcap" album for listening rather than dancing, as they indicate in their album notes - the music is ECD music, but is not arranged for dancing. Hopes this helps sort out the confusion- --Boundary_(ID_g3C2NNWjR5XKo+FMd7vyHw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Hi, Susan:
 
Yes, indeed!
 
I appreciate you replying: I should have assimilated the
sleeve notes more. However, as I do not have recorded
music for the dance I was grasping at straws -- maybe!
 
Sincere thanks.
 
John
 
Subject: "Nightcap" questions
Bare Necessities intended their lovely "Nightcap" album for listening rather than dancing, as they indicate in their album notes - the music is ECD music, but is not arranged for dancing.
Hopes this helps sort out the confusion-
--Boundary_(ID_g3C2NNWjR5XKo+FMd7vyHw)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:39:41 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:39:35 -0700 From: Pat Corvini Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Portsmouth recordings (was: RE: "Nightcap" questions [2]) To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <000001c33425$e2b56980$86dc5142-AT-PC1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT John Wood writes, > However, as I do not have recorded music for the dance > I was grasping at straws -- maybe! There's a 5 x 32-bar intended-for-dancing "Portsmouth" on The Broadside Band's recording "English Country Dances From Playford's Dancing Master 1651-1703". (It's at a much brisker tempo than is the Bare Necessities rendering on "Nightcap".) Regards, Pat Corvini ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 10:17:07 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:15:42 +0100 From: Michael Barraclough Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: Help on "Portsmouth" To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <001501c3342a$eaa10dc0$0500a8c0-AT-ntworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sad to say, this is yet another example where Cecil Sharp is probably (99.99999999999%) wrong in his interpretation (or his lending his name to someone else's interpretation. He ignores the instruction to go "Right and Left quite round" and condenses 16 bars of dance into 8 bars of music thereby unbalancing the tune. My interpretation of the original is: A1 1st man heys with 1st and second lady (1st man pass 2nd lady right shoulder) A2 1st lady heys with 1st and second men (1st lady passes 2nd man left shoulder) B1 1st couple cross over (pass each other and cast one place) and 1/2 figure up B2 Four changes of rights and lefts (starting right with partner) Michael Barraclough http://www.mab.tgis.co.uk I've stopped 4,585 spam messages. You can too! One month FREE spam protection at www.cloudmark.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [mailto:owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of John Wood Sent: 16 June 2003 14:27 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Help on "Portsmouth" Hi, Folks: Just received the Bare Necessities' CD "The Night Cap." Enthralled by their rendering of "Portsmouth." But find in Sharp's Vol. VI that it is a 24-bar dance. Also same in "The Playford Ball." My interpretation of BN's playing was 32 bars. Checking in Barnes' Sheet Music Book I find "Portsmouth" MS indicates 32 bars! Have any modifications been made to the figures to fit 32 bars? Or what? Your comments would be helpful. Regards, John Bedford, Nova Scotia ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:57:33 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:57:16 -0700 From: Jon Berger Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Portsmouth recordings (was: RE: "Nightcap" questions [2]) To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3EEE4B4C.1040307-AT-sbcglobal.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <000001c33425$e2b56980$86dc5142-AT-PC1> Pat Corvini wrote: > John Wood writes, > > >>However, as I do not have recorded music for the dance >>I was grasping at straws -- maybe! > > > There's a 5 x 32-bar intended-for-dancing "Portsmouth" on > The Broadside Band's recording "English Country Dances From > Playford's Dancing Master 1651-1703". (It's at a much brisker > tempo than is the Bare Necessities rendering on "Nightcap".) There's also one on the supremely excellent "7 to Midnight" album by Pyewackett, which is hands down my number-one favorite ECD recording of all time. -- Jon Berger http://pages.sbcglobal.net/jberger ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:27:13 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 20:17:10 -0400 From: "Michael J. O'Connor" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Portsmouth recordings To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <003901c33465$cc588380$b4e17ad1-AT-oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <000001c33425$e2b56980$86dc5142-AT-PC1> <3EEE4B4C.1040307-AT-sbcglobal.net> Pat Corvini wrote: > John Wood writes, > >>However, as I do not have recorded music for the dance >>I was grasping at straws Is that something like Picking Up Sticks? ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 21:09:21 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 04:09:01 +0000 From: catiegeist-AT-att.net Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: In an 18th Century Drawing Room To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <200306170409.h5H498kK027801-AT-nospam2.slac.stanford.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Dear List, When I was a young girl out in California, my parents had a record that I loved to listen to while I danced around the living room. I think it was called "In an 18th Century Drawing Room." The record got broken (it was an old 78RPM) and I have wondered about that music ever since. Does anyone know how I could find out who composed that music and where I could find it? I would really like to listen to it again. It was probably the beginning of my interest in ECD! Catie Condran Geist, Palm Bay, Florida ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 21:27:22 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 04:27:04 +0000 From: catiegeist-AT-att.net Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: In an 18th Century Drawing Room To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <200306170427.h5H4RAkK028195-AT-nospam2.slac.stanford.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Dear List, If I had done a Google search before I wrote my last message, I would have found out that Raymond Scott wrote "In an 18th Century Drawing Room" and it was recorded by Guy Lombardo (I'm sure that's the one my parents had) and I can hear it on Raymond Scott's CD "Reckless Nights and Turkish Twilights" which has all sorts of music from old cartoons. One website said that it is a Lawrence/Scott song based on a Mozart sonata. So, does anyone know which sonata? Catie Condran Geist, Palm Bay, Florida ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 23:26:25 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 01:38:20 -0400 From: "Dawn C. Culbertson" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Help on "Portsmouth" To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20030617.022745.-247349.1.dcculb-AT-juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:15:42 +0100 Michael Barraclough writes: > Sad to say, this is yet another example where Cecil Sharp is probably > (99.99999999999%) wrong in his interpretation (or his lending his > name to > someone else's interpretation. He ignores the instruction to go > "Right and > Left quite round" and condenses 16 bars of dance into 8 bars of > music > thereby unbalancing the tune. My interpretation of the original is: > > A1 1st man heys with 1st and second lady (1st man pass 2nd lady > right > shoulder) > A2 1st lady heys with 1st and second men (1st lady passes 2nd man > left > shoulder) > B1 1st couple cross over (pass each other and cast one place) and > 1/2 figure > up > B2 Four changes of rights and lefts (starting right with partner) That was the interpretation I came up with. Another thing is that the original instructions say for B1 "First couple cross over and figure in." When Playford says "figure" that usually means a half figure eight and Sharp interpreted that as a whole figure 8 (which Playford usually indicates by "whole figure"). Dawn Culbertson ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 04:19:40 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:13:05 -0300 From: John Wood Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Portsmouth recordings [2] To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <002001c334c1$6d2e7700$8492e018-AT-johnwood> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <000001c33425$e2b56980$86dc5142-AT-PC1> <3EEE4B4C.1040307-AT-sbcglobal.net> <003901c33465$cc588380$b4e17ad1-AT-oemcomputer> Hi, Michael: No. It was "Long Odds" that I would get any suitable recorded music! John Subject: Re: Portsmouth recordings > >However, as I do not have recorded music for the dance I was grasping at straws. > Is that something like Picking Up Sticks? ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 04:30:59 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:25:33 -0300 From: John Wood Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Portsmouth recordings [3] To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <002c01c334c3$2ac7a560$8492e018-AT-johnwood> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <000001c33425$e2b56980$86dc5142-AT-PC1> <3EEE4B4C.1040307-AT-sbcglobal.net> Thanks to all of you who were so helpful on this matter. Regards, John Subject: Re: Portsmouth recordings (was: RE: "Nightcap" questions [2]) > John Wood writes, >>However, as I do not have recorded music for the dance I was grasping at straws -- maybe! ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:20:02 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:15:31 -0400 From: Allison M Thompson Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Help on "Portsmouth" To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20030617.131852.-1891179.9.AllisonThompson-AT-juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I have in my notes a Tom Cook reconstruction of Portsmouth which I was taught once, though I've not seen his notation. His Bs agree with Sharon & Michael's Bs, but his As are as follows: A1 1-8 The 1C and 1W hey on the 1st corners' diagonal, beginning with 1M and 1W passing R shoulders (as if 1W cuts between) A2 1-8 The 1C and 2M hey on the 2nd corners' diagonal, beginning with 1M and 1W passing Left shoulders As I remember hearing it, apparently Tom suggested that any hey for 3 of this style could be danced on the diagonal as opposed to up and down the line, and that it was frequently easier this way. Is my memory correct? Allison Thompson ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 19:44:04 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:43:37 -0400 (EDT) From: DavBarnert-AT-aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: In an 18th Century Drawing Room To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU, catiegeist-AT-att.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_SncrR3KkBB2crmKzzlQz7g)" --Boundary_(ID_SncrR3KkBB2crmKzzlQz7g) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Catie Geist writes- >If I had done a Google search before I wrote my last message, I >would have found out that Raymond Scott wrote "In an 18th >Century Drawing Room" and it was recorded by Guy Lombardo (I'm >sure that's the one my parents had) and I can hear it on Raymond >Scott's CD "Reckless Nights and Turkish Twilights" which has all >sorts of music from old cartoons. One website said that it is a >Lawrence/Scott song based on a Mozart sonata. So, does anyone >know which sonata? Another trip to google, adding "Mozart" to the search criteria, brings the answer: the ubiquitous Piano Sonata #1 in C, K545. See . ______ /\/\/\/\ <______> | | | | | David Barnert <______> | | | | | <______> | | | | | Albany, N.Y. <______> \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) --Boundary_(ID_SncrR3KkBB2crmKzzlQz7g) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Catie Geist writes-

>If I had done a Google search before I wrote my last message, I
>would have found out that Raymond Scott wrote "In an 18th
>Century Drawing Room" and it was recorded by Guy Lombardo (I'm
>sure that's the one my parents had) and I can hear it on Raymond
>Scott's CD "Reckless Nights and Turkish Twilights" which has all
>sorts of music from old cartoons. One website said that it is a
>Lawrence/Scott song based on a Mozart sonata. So, does anyone
>know which sonata?

Another trip to google, adding "Mozart" to the search criteria,
brings the answer: the ubiquitous Piano Sonata #1 in C, K545. See
<http://www.virtualsheetmusic.com/downloads/Mozart/SonataC.html>.

    ______      /\/\/\/\
   <______>     | | | | |  David Barnert
   <______>     | | | | |  <davbarnert-AT-aol.com>
   <______>     | | | | |  Albany, N.Y.
   <______>     \/\/\/\/

  Ventilator   Concertina
    Bellows      Bellows
  (Vocation)   (Avocation) --Boundary_(ID_SncrR3KkBB2crmKzzlQz7g)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 05:55:17 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 05:55:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Vincent Subject: Re: In an 18th Century Drawing Room To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <20030618125503.97426.qmail-AT-web12203.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I don't know about the rest of you, but I hope I never lose my sense of amazement at how, in a matter of seconds, we can now get answers to questions about obscure music and obscure recordings! Recently, I found a beloved book of naughty/silly poems that I had only read once in the 5th grade...and all I could remember was one line. Astonishing! And we used to roll our eyes when someone on Star Trek would ask the computer for some bizarre information! --- DavBarnert-AT-AOL.COM wrote: > Catie Geist writes- > > >If I had done a Google search before I wrote my > last message, I > >would have found out that Raymond Scott wrote "In > an 18th > >Century Drawing Room" and it was recorded by Guy > Lombardo (I'm > >sure that's the one my parents had) and I can hear > it on Raymond > >Scott's CD "Reckless Nights and Turkish Twilights" > which has all > >sorts of music from old cartoons. One website said > that it is a > >Lawrence/Scott song based on a Mozart sonata. So, > does anyone > >know which sonata? > > Another trip to google, adding "Mozart" to the > search criteria, > brings the answer: the ubiquitous Piano Sonata #1 in > C, K545. See > . > > ______ /\/\/\/\ > <______> | | | | | David Barnert > <______> | | | | | > <______> | | | | | Albany, N.Y. > <______> \/\/\/\/ > > Ventilator Concertina > Bellows Bellows > (Vocation) (Avocation) > ===== Tom Vincent May you work like you don't need the money, Love like you've never been hurt, And dance like no-one is watching. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:08:54 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:07:58 -0400 From: Deb Karl Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: [Fwd: URGENT: Fax the Lords re: Non-Licencing of Small Music Events] To: ECD list Message-ID: <3EF08E5F.3C4D2429-AT-wi.mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT latest on this topic.... -------- Original Message -------- Subject: URGENT: Fax the Lords re: Non-Licencing of Small Music Events Date: 18 Jun 2003 03:50:50 -0700 From: chrisjbrady-AT-yahoo.com (Chris Brady) Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Newsgroups: uk.music.folk,rec.music.folk,rec.arts.dance,rec.folk-dancing,soc.culture.british Soon morris dancing will be illegal in England, live music in pubs and clubs will be illegal, folk dancing with live music will be illegal, even Punch & Judy shows will be illegal - unless they are licenced at GREAT expense. This will KILL traditional music and song in England. Of course LOUD recorded disco music will be exempt, so too will LOUD t.v. sports events in pubs. But Folk Clubs specialising in live acoustic music and song be illegal!! Please fax the Lords NOW!!! Many thanks. From: "Roger Gall" Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 01:39:20 +0100 Subject: Re: [efdss-forum] Write to the Lords. This site allows you to send a FAX from the web. http://www.networks-id.co.uk/tpc.htm or use: +44(0)207 219 5979 - the generic fax no. for the House of Lords lobby. The following from Hamish Birchall Please circulate The Government will only reconsider a small events exemption if the Lords vote to reintroduce it on Thursday 19th June. Lobbying the Lords tomorrow is probably the last chance you have to change the final form of the Licensing Bill. Conservative and Liberal Democrat Peers are well aware of performers' concerns and are backing this exemption. Crucially, the principle of a small events exemption now also has the unequivocal backing of the whole music industry, as well as performers' unions and a broad range of arts organisations. However, Labour and Cross Bench Peers who take an interest in music could still make a valuable contribution to the debate on Thursday. It is too late to post a letter, and Peers' emails are not published as widely as MPs'. But there is a generic fax number for the House of Lords: +44(0)207 219 5979. This is the Peers' Lobby. Note that they only accept a maximum of six Peers' names on any one fax. As ever, your own form of words is best, but here is a draft if you are short of time (it is almost the same as a letter sent today to Cross Benchers by the Musicians' Union): ~ ~ ~ My Lords Licensing Bill - live music The Licensing Bill returns to the Lords on Thursday 19th June at 11am for Lords Consideration of Commons Amendments. I would be most grateful if you could attend this debate. On Monday 16th June, the Bill had its 3rd Reading and Report debates in the Commons. Unfortunately, the Government reversed some key amendments made by the Lords earlier this year relating to the performance of music. I feel strongly that one amendment in particular should be reinstated: the small events exemption for the performance of live music. As currently worded, the Licensing Bill will make it an offence for premises, other than churches, to host any regular public performance unless first licensed. Even providing a piano for the public to use for their own amusement will be an offence unless licensed, a new offence that is a consequence of the 'entertainment facility' licensing requirement. However, jukeboxes in bars, or big screen broadcast entertainment anywhere, remain exempt. This is clearly disproportionate and a discrimination against live music. Local authorities and the police already have wide-ranging statutory powers to deal with public safety, noise and crime and disorder. The Anti-Social Behaviour Bill will give local authorities even greater power to clamp down on noisy premises. Imposing an additional licensing requirement at this level is unnecessary and will stifle live performance that is already struggling to survive. I hope you will consider supporting the small events exemption on Thursday 19th June. Yours faithfully (Name) LABOUR PEERS with an interest in music: Rt Hon The Lord Archer of Sandwell QC Lord Attenborough CBE Lord Bach Lord Bassam of Brighton Lord Currie of Marylebone Rt Hon The Lord Diamond Lord Donoughue Lord Dormand of Easington Lord Evans of Watford Lord Gallacher Lord Gladwin of Clee CBE JP Lord Haskel Lord Hogg of Cumbernauld Lord Howie of Troon Lord Hunt of Kings Heath Baroness Lockwood DL Lord Macaulay of Bragar QC Rt Hon the Lord Macdonald of Tradeston CBE Lord Mackenzie of Framwellgate OBE Rt Hon The Lord Murray of Epping Forest OBE Lord Rea Rt Hon The Lord Richard QC Rt Hon The Lord Varley DL Lord Williams of Elvel CBE Lord Winston Baroness Howells of St Davids OBE Baroness McIntosh of Hudnall Lord Filkin OBE Lord Harrison Lord King of West Bromwich Lord Lea of Crondall OBE Lord Fyfe of Fairfield Lord Morgan Professor The Lord Parekh Lord Jones CROSS BENCHERS with an interest in music: Lord Armstrong of Ilminster GCB CVO Earl Baldwin of Bewdley Rt Hon Lord Cameron of Lochbroom QC Rt Hon Lord Chalfont OBE MC Rt Hon Lord Clyde Lord Elis-Thomas AM Lord Flowers FRS Lord Freyberg Lord Gibson Rt Hon Lord Hope Field-Marshall Lord Inge GCB DL Prof Lord Lewis of Newnham FRS Earl of Listowel Rt Hon Lord Lloyd of Berwick Lord Neill of Bladen QC Rt Hon Lord Nicholls of Birkenhead Rt Hon Lord Oliver of Aylmerton Lord Roll of Ipsden KCMG CB Lady Saltoun of Abernethy Viscount Tenby Lord Tombs Lord Walton of Detchant TD Baroness Warnock DBE Lord Wright of Richmond GCMG FRCM Baroness Prashar CBE Baroness Greengross Lord Adebowale Lord Moser ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:20:34 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 21:20:14 +0000 From: Margherita Davis Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Address Needed To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Does anyone have an Email address and/or snail address for John D. Stapledon? If so, please reply to me off list. TIA, Margherita ******************************************************** Margherita Modica Davis NYC: (212) 724-1707 margheritad1-AT-hotmail.com Upstate: (518) 828-6181 mandgdavis-AT-earthlink.net mmodica1-AT-yahoo.com http://home.earthlink.net/~mandgdavis/ ******************************************************** _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:11:59 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:09:29 -0700 From: Sharon Green Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Christine Helwig's Birthday To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030618145817.02c6a190-AT-popserver.panix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Friday, June 27, is the 90th birthday of Christine Helwig, co-author of Thomas Bray's Country Dances and of Purcell, Playford, and the English Country Dance. If you'd like to send Christine a birthday card or e-mail, you can do so courtesy of her daughter Minka Wallis. (Cards should arrive at Minka's by 6/25, if possible. That way she can arrange them for presentation to Christine at the family celebration.) Minka Wallis 411 Westchester Avenue, Apt.3G Port Chester, NY 10573 wallisfam-AT-optonline.net Thanks for helping make Christine's 90th a memorable occasion. Much love, Sharon Green ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 04:01:19 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 07:00:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Clwread-AT-aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Christine Helwig's Birthday To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_8Y2OZ20k+AHHqDaD/rU67Q)" --Boundary_(ID_8Y2OZ20k+AHHqDaD/rU67Q) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Dear Sharon, Thanks for the reminder re Christine's birthday. I shared a cabin with Minka way back when our big girls were little girls and lived in Lads for Family Week. I will get right on the card business; maybe I'll enclose some of my fabulous photos from Pinewoods weeks. One of my imminent retirement goals is to get up to visit Christine. Right now, I'm calculating final grades . . . for the LAST time! Looking forward to seeing you soon. Still have not heard from Judy Rose, but I know you told me that we can ride together. Love, Carol W. --Boundary_(ID_8Y2OZ20k+AHHqDaD/rU67Q) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Dear Sharon,
Thanks for the reminder re Christine's birthday.  I shared a cabin with Minka way back when our big girls were little girls and lived in Lads for Family Week.

I will get right on the card business; maybe I'll enclose some of my fabulous photos from Pinewoods weeks.

One of my imminent retirement goals is to get up to visit Christine.  Right now, I'm calculating final grades . .  . for the LAST time!

Looking forward to seeing you soon.  Still have not heard from Judy Rose, but I know you told me that  we can ride together.  Love, Carol W. --Boundary_(ID_8Y2OZ20k+AHHqDaD/rU67Q)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 11:25:22 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 14:25:07 -0400 From: Deb Karl Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Good news (for now) re: Non-Licencing of Small Music Events] To: ECD list Message-ID: <3EF20003.5060509-AT-wi.mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: URGENT: Fax the Lords re: Non-Licencing of Small Music Events Date: 19 Jun 2003 09:36:43 -0700 From: chrisjbrady-AT-yahoo.com (Chris Brady) From: "Roger Gall" Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:46:50 +0100 Subject: [efdss-forum] Thank the Lords THANK THE LORDS!!! We live to fight another day - difficult to see where we could have gone from here - if this vote had not been won. Unfortunately there is still work to be done and a long way to go yet. I suggest that we use the little time we have to write and thank the peers who voted for the amendment. At the same time ask them to persuade others to join them in the next vote. The Bill will go back to the Commons next week and no doubt the New Labour puppets will vote the amendment out again. Then the Government will threaten the Lords with a tax on ermine robes or other dire things, if they still insist on listening and voting on reasoned arguments. 62A The Baroness Buscombe to move, as an amendment to the motion that the House do agree with the Commons in their Amendment No. 62, leave out the words from "that" to the end and insert "the House do disagree with the Commons in their amendment but do propose the following amendment in lieu thereof" Page 112 , line 30, at end insert "Small events: live music (1) The provision of entertainment consisting of the performance of live music is not to be regarded as the provision of regulated entertainment for the purposes of this Act where (a) the number of listeners or spectators present does not exceed 200 at any one time, and (b) the entertainment ceases no later than 11.30pm. (1) The provision of entertainment facilities solely for the purposes of entertainment described in sub-paragraph (1) is not to be regarded as the provision of regulated entertainment for the purposes of this Act. (2) Nothing in this paragraph shall be read as rendering invalid or otherwise affecting any provision of, or any regulation made under, any other legislation that applies to the entertainment, the entertainment facilities or the premises on which the entertainment is to take place." ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 08:35:48 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 08:37:24 -0700 From: "Ed St.Germain" Subject: new page for clothing To: ECD list Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <3EF5CD34.C46FE7A5-AT-EnglishCountryDancing.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT For those of you who like to look as well as you dance (that's everyone, right?) I've put up a page of sources for clothing & accoutrements at: http://englishcountrydancing.org/sources.html While geared primarily to the latter part of the 18th century, you'll find many of the sources also carry materials for the Regency period as well. Best regards, Ed ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 08:39:27 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 08:41:07 -0700 From: "Ed St.Germain" Subject: new page for clothing To: ECD list Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <3EF5CE12.7AD41CA8-AT-EnglishCountryDancing.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT For those of you who like to look as well as you dance (that's everyone, right?) I've put up a page of sources for clothing & accoutrements at: http://englishcountrydancing.org/sources.html While geared primarily to the latter part of the 18th century, you'll find many of the sources also carry materials for the Regency period as well. Best regards, Ed ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 09:39:12 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 12:38:45 -0400 (EDT) From: SFORDNYC-AT-aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: True Brit -- October 10-13, 2003 To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <112.250ab7e5.2c273595-AT-aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Dear ECD Friends: Country Dance*New York invites you to attend True Brit 2003 -- our English dance fundraiser taking place over the Columbus weekend -- Friday evening October 10th through Monday afternoon October 13th. The location is Circle Lodge in Hopewell Junction, New York -- the site of past True Brits. Our staff includes NYC area callers and friends: Graham Christian, Beverly Francis, Yonina Gordon, Sharon Green, Fried DeMetz Herman, Gene Murrow, and Paul Ross. Musicians include: John Austin, Leah Barkan, Norma Castle, Roger Davidson, George Davis, Paul Friedman, Karen Geer, Susie Lorand, Sue Polansky, Robin Russell, Cara Schuman, Cynthia Shaw, and Ellen Tepper. Activities include a variety of workshops during the day including ECD, ritual, couple dancing, band and choreographer sessions, sacred harp singing, and what you will. In the evening there are dance parties -- the Auction Assembly and a Playford Hooha. As many of you know, the auction -- silent and noisy -- is an important part of the weekend, so start cleaning out your closets! But mostly we just have fun -- and raise money to support ECD in NYC! The registration form is available on the CD*NY website -- www.cdny.org. CDNY members receive priority until July 20th. Others will be processed according to date of postmark. If you have questions, contact me directly. We look forward to seeing many of you in October. See you dancing! Suzanne // sfordnyc-AT-aol.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 09:56:45 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 17:56:09 +0100 From: Alan Corkett Subject: Re: True Brit -- October 10-13, 2003 To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <005b01c338df$3058e320$203186d9-AT-default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Suzanne wrote... "In the evening there are dance parties -- the Auction Assembly and a Playford Hooha." That sounds to me like a good title for a weekend event at Halsway Manor - "A (Playford) Hooha at Halsway" ... but what does it mean, will someone tell me before I possibly disgrace myself! Regards Alan Corkett editor-AT-halswaymanor.org.uk www.halswaymanor.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: SFORDNYC-AT-AOL.COM To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Date: 22 June 2003 17:46 Subject: RE: True Brit -- October 10-13, 2003 Dear ECD Friends: Country Dance*New York invites you to attend True Brit 2003 -- our English dance fundraiser taking place over the Columbus weekend -- Friday evening October 10th through Monday afternoon October 13th. The location is Circle Lodge in Hopewell Junction, New York -- the site of past True Brits. Our staff includes NYC area callers and friends: Graham Christian, Beverly Francis, Yonina Gordon, Sharon Green, Fried DeMetz Herman, Gene Murrow, and Paul Ross. Musicians include: John Austin, Leah Barkan, Norma Castle, Roger Davidson, George Davis, Paul Friedman, Karen Geer, Susie Lorand, Sue Polansky, Robin Russell, Cara Schuman, Cynthia Shaw, and Ellen Tepper. Activities include a variety of workshops during the day including ECD, ritual, couple dancing, band and choreographer sessions, sacred harp singing, and what you will. In the evening there are dance parties -- the Auction Assembly and a Playford Hooha. As many of you know, the auction -- silent and noisy -- is an important part of the weekend, so start cleaning out your closets! But mostly we just have fun -- and raise money to support ECD in NYC! The registration form is available on the CD*NY website -- www.cdny.org. CDNY members receive priority until July 20th. Others will be processed according to date of postmark. If you have questions, contact me directly. We look forward to seeing many of you in October. See you dancing! Suzanne // sfordnyc-AT-aol.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 10:13:38 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 13:13:12 -0400 (EDT) From: SFORDNYC-AT-aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: True Brit -- October 10-13, 2003 To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <169.20658156.2c273da8-AT-aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT RE: Playford Hooha It's just something I made up. Trying to be different, but evidently sowing the seeds of confusion in the process. I envision a Ball-like event -- not only Playford but a mix as with many balls (whatever the MCs would like to program) but essentially dress up and have a good time. Since this will be the first, I suppose we can make it up as we go along! Any other thoughts? Suzanne ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 10:38:57 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 13:38:35 -0400 From: "wlinden-AT-panix.com" Subject: Re: True Brit -- October 10-13, 2003 To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <168270-220036022173835558-AT-M2W037.mail2web.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT As long as you can keep them all in the air? Original Message: ----------------- From: SFORDNYC-AT-AOL.COM Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 13:13:12 -0400 (EDT) To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: True Brit -- October 10-13, 2003 RE: Playford Hooha It's just something I made up. Trying to be different, but evidently sowing the seeds of confusion in the process. I envision a Ball-like event -- not only Playford but a mix as with many balls -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 18:20:52 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 21:20:40 -0400 From: Susan Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: NYC Historical Dance Workshops Sunday 6/29 To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU CC: susan-AT-generalist.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT (Regular monthly posting) Summary: New York City, two workshops this Sunday: Regency (1810's) and Victorian (1890's). http://www.elegantarts.org/ Long version: For the New York City-accessible and historically curious, my first Sunday workshops for July are not actually the first Sunday in July, due to the July 4th holiday, but instead are the last weekend in June. Specifically: Sunday, June 29, 2003 1:00-4:00 pm Regency Dance Workshop 4:30-6:30 pm 1890's Dance Workshop The Regency Dance workshop is my regular monthly workshop on dances suitable for early nineteenth century (Regency, Jane Austen, Napoleonic Wars) England. This time we will be looking at some of the figures of the original first set of quadrilles as well as one figure from the somewhat less original first set of quadrilles. (Monologues about the originality and firstness of the different original first sets available upon request.) Specifically, we will learn step sequences and figures for "L'Ete", "La Finale" (early version), and "La Pastourelle". We will also practice our reel for six with the sebytrast step and the slow waltz with Regency "attitudes". No prior experience needed. The full calendar for (mostly) first Sunday Regency workshops is at: http://www.elegantarts.org/calendar03.html The 1890's Dance workshop is the third and last in a series, but you can jump in without undue trauma. We will look at late Victorian waltz (completely different from Regency waltz) and schottische variations and probably do a contra dance or quadrille as well. General information for both dance workshops: All material is taken directly from primary sources and reconstructed and taught by yours truly. If you have questions about it, email me directly. Costs: Regency - $15, or $10 for first-timers 1890's - $12, or $10 if you take the Regency one as well Shoes: Flat shoes for Regency. Ladies, low heels (1", not spikes) for 1890's, or flats are fine. PLEASE RSVP to: meredith-AT-elegantarts.org - the number of people we are expecting affects how I prepare for the class! Specify which class, or both, if you have the endurance! Location: Hop, Swing, and a Jump, 132 Crosby Street #2 for directions, see our webpage, http://www.elegantarts.org/classprac.html/ For more information about the Elegant Arts Society, please see our website: http://www.elegantarts.org To receive these announcements directly, please email info-AT-elegantarts.org to be added to our mailing list. Susan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 06:22:45 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 09:22:47 -0400 From: Dorothy Olsson Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Contredanses/Contradanzas & An Opera from the New World! To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030624091341.01a205a8-AT-pop-server.nyc.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Ysvksw3YBRZ/MAe5T/vWDw)" --Boundary_(ID_Ysvksw3YBRZ/MAe5T/vWDw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Hello, everyone: Just a quick reminder-- There is still room in the Historical Dance Program at the Amherst Early Music Festival: July 27-August 3, 2003, at the University of Connecticut at Storrs! Contredanses/Contradanzas from the Netherlands and Spain; Renaissance dances; Baroque dances; fully staged theater project (see below); English country dance, more… All levels of dancers are welcome. This year our production will be La Púrpura de la rosa (“The Blood of the Rose”), believed to be the first opera written in the New World. Written by Spanish composer Tomás de Torrejón y Velasco in 1701, it is an intriguing love story replete with a variety of mythological and mortal characters; the music is enriched with lively dance rhythms from Spanish and Latin American folklore. Check out our webpage: http://www.amherstearlymusic.org/aemf2003-dance.htm http://www.amherstearlymusic.org/ and follow the links to the Historical Dance Program We hope to see you there! All the best, Dorothy Olsson Carol Marsh Kaspar Mainz --Boundary_(ID_Ysvksw3YBRZ/MAe5T/vWDw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Hello, everyone:

Just a quick reminder--
There is still room in the Historical Dance Program at the Amherst Early Music Festival: July 27-August 3, 2003, at the University of Connecticut at Storrs!

Contredanses/Contradanzas from the Netherlands and Spain; Renaissance dances; Baroque dances; fully staged theater project (see below); English country dance, more… All levels of dancers are welcome.

This year our production will be La Púrpura de la rosa (“The Blood of the Rose”), believed to be the first opera written in the New World. Written by Spanish composer Tomás de Torrejón y Velasco in 1701, it is an intriguing love story replete with a variety of mythological and mortal characters; the music is enriched with lively dance rhythms from Spanish and Latin American folklore.

Check out our webpage:

http://www.amherstearlymusic.org/aemf2003-dance.htm

http://www.amherstearlymusic.org/
and follow the links to the Historical Dance Program

We hope to see you there!

All the best,
Dorothy Olsson
Carol Marsh
Kaspar Mainz


 --Boundary_(ID_Ysvksw3YBRZ/MAe5T/vWDw)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 13:54:43 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:54:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Terence Gaffney Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Party Invitation To: ECD list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Dear Friends, With the end of June our Wednesday series draws to a close, and you're all invited to a dance party to help us celebrate a wonderful season. Looking back over the year there was a lot to celebrate. Visits by Colin Hume, Michael Ciccone, Gary Roodman, and Brooke Friendly, a lot of interesting new dances, including three great dances by Gary RoodmanTerpsicourante, Far Away, and Mary K. Then there was the magical night that the lights went out, and our candle light followup (Never to be repeated it seems!) Ill never forget dancing Jenney Pluck Pears that night. Music will be by members of Bare Necessities, dances led by our regular staff, program organized by Brad Foster. The dance runs from 7:30-10:30 at the Park Avenue Church in Arlington; directions to the hall and price information can be found on our web site at http://www.cds-boston.org/english.html Best, Terry ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:25:08 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 17:23:34 -0400 From: Allison M Thompson Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: ECD in 50 words or less To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20030624.172334.-1764443.4.AllisonThompson-AT-juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT While on a recent contra/English performing tour in New York State, I was a tad bit dismayed to overhear someone describe English dancing as "like contra, but slower." To my mind, the use of the conjunction "but" seems to indicate that the subsequent phrase will be a contradiction or a denigration of the first admission: "but slower" is somehow more dismissive than "and slower." On top of that, ECD isn't always slow!!! So as we drove, my band-mates & I debated the question and found that it was actually very very hard to come up with a snappy description of ECD, especially if you start with the "like contra" phrase: "Like contra, yet more interesting." "Like contra and more challenging." "Like contra but with more variety of tempo, mood, music, and style." "Like contra, but better." (oops! -- my bad!) I guess the "like contra" reference tells the uninitiated contra dance listener that 1) ECD is an interactive dance for many couples; and 2) that there are repetitive figures within the dance; and,3) perhaps, depending on the community, that you change partners after each dance (not always common in swing, advanced club squares, etc.); and, maybe, 4) that the dance has some Historical Antiquity that Devolves upon the Performer a Contact with the Living Past that Passes On Moral Worth (I'm not sure, for example, that swing dance or tango bestow Moral Worth--indeed, perhaps the reverse). All of the above things are, in fact, true of both contra dance and ECD. (Let's not get side-tracked on that moral worth thing just yet, though.) While on this topic, I must in passing mention with dismay the numerous well-meaning proponents of ECD whom I have often heard over microphones announce marketing atrocities such as: "You may have heard that ECD is slow and boring, but it is really actually pretty good so come to our dance on XXX" or "Don't be put off by the fact that many people think that ECD is dull/really hard...but come to our dance on XXX." Of course people only hear the first clause, not the second. What do they expect? But that's a slightly different marketing issue. I'd like to ask list members how they define ECD in 50 words or less, especially starting from the "like contra" viewpoint. Allison "like contra but easier on the knees" Thompson ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:33:12 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:32:55 -0500 (CDT) From: jsivier-AT-uiuc.edu (Jonathan Sivier) Subject: Re: ECD in 50 words or less To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <200306242132.h5OLWtK2027394-AT-staff2.cso.uiuc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Allison M Thompson writes: > > But that's a slightly different marketing issue. I'd like to ask list > members how they define ECD in 50 words or less, especially starting from > the "like contra" viewpoint. I sometimes say, "ECD is like contra dance, similar enough to be familiar, yet different enough to be interesting." Jonathan ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Jonathan Sivier |Q: How many angels can dance on the | | jsivier-AT-uiuc.edu | head of a pin? | | Flight Simulation Lab |A: It depends on what dance you call. | | Beckman Institute | | | 405 N. Mathews | SWMDG - Single White Male | | Urbana, IL 61801 | Dance Gypsy | | Work: 217/244-1923 | | | Home: 217/359-8225 | Have shoes, will dance. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Home page URL: http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/jsivier | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:43:10 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:36:04 -0500 From: "M.G. Mudrey, Jr." Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD in 50 words or less To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030624163331.02389ca0-AT-mail.mhtc.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_A4pjZne8S/W5vx1hGuFV6w)" --Boundary_(ID_A4pjZne8S/W5vx1hGuFV6w) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Mine is... The predecessor to contra dancing, square dancing, Scottish set dancing, quadrilles and is dated from about 1651. Says nothing about tempo, speed or complexity of dance, number of couples, etc. mm Please send me an email if you wish to be removed from this mail notification list "Mike - remove me from MECD" Madison Wisconsin English Country Dancing The Madison (Wisconsin) English Country Dance Society meets on the first and third Mondays of the month from 7:30-9:30 PM. Dancing October through May at the Wilmar Center, 953 Jenifer St., Madison, Wisconsin June through September West Steps of Memorial Library, on the Mall University of Wisconsin-Madison For more information, contact Mike (mgmudrey-AT-mhtc.net), Jean (608-231-1040) or Don (608-238-9951) Website images http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/mecds/home.htm no images http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/mecds/hometext.htm --Boundary_(ID_A4pjZne8S/W5vx1hGuFV6w) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Mine is...

The predecessor to contra dancing, square dancing, Scottish set dancing, quadrilles and is dated from about 1651.

Says nothing about tempo, speed or complexity of dance, number of couples, etc.

mm




Please send me an email if you wish to be removed from this mail notification list
        "Mike - remove me from MECD"<mgmudrey-AT-mhtc.net>

Madison Wisconsin English Country Dancing

The Madison (Wisconsin) English Country Dance Society meets
on the first and third Mondays of the month from 7:30-9:30 PM.
 
Dancing
        October through May at the Wilmar Center,
                953 Jenifer St., Madison, Wisconsin
        June through September West Steps of Memorial Library,  on the Mall
                University of Wisconsin-Madison
For more information, contact
        Mike (mgmudrey-AT-mhtc.net),
        Jean (608-231-1040) or
        Don (608-238-9951)
Website
images
http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/mecds/home.htm
no images
http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/mecds/hometext.htm
 --Boundary_(ID_A4pjZne8S/W5vx1hGuFV6w)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:56:38 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:38:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: ECD in 50 words or less To: Allison M Thompson CC: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01KXH6B3QS0S8XU18O-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Allison wrote: > While on a recent contra/English performing tour in New York State, I was > a tad bit dismayed to overhear someone describe English dancing as "like > contra, but slower." > To my mind, the use of the conjunction "but" seems to indicate that the > subsequent phrase will be a contradiction or a denigration of the first > admission: "but slower" is somehow more dismissive than "and slower." > On top of that, ECD isn't always slow!!! > So as we drove, my band-mates & I debated the question and found that it > was actually very very hard to come up with a snappy description of ECD, > especially if you start with the "like contra" phrase: > "Like contra, yet more interesting." > "Like contra and more challenging." > "Like contra but with more variety of tempo, mood, music, and style." > "Like contra, but better." (oops! -- my bad!) [snip] > But that's a slightly different marketing issue. I'd like to ask list > members how they define ECD in 50 words or less, especially starting from > the "like contra" viewpoint. I think it's dangerous, from a marketing point of view, to start with "Like contra" because the implication is "It's like this thing you like except different, which means you might not like it." Discussing it in person in a friendly environment, I might say "English and contra are cousins that share the same skeleton and have evolved in different ways. English has a wide emotional range, from elegant to raucous, from melancholy to joyous, and there's a lot of variety of music, meter, and tempo. Contra dancers already know the basics. Check it out." [But that 50 words is probably too much for an announcement at a dance, which should be something like "English dance here next Tuesday at 7:00. Everybody welcome. (Caller name) (band name). Talk to me at the break if you're curious."] (I was greatly influenced by an article in the CDSS News a few years back, author forgotten, about answering the info phone for his local contra dance series. His major point was that people who were calling up to ask about it were easily frightened off, and if you told them about it in detail, they'd find something scary in your wording or the description, and not come. He gave sample phone conversations where the answer was, repeatedly, "You really can't get a good idea over the phone. Come down and check it out." While there are people who will just come down and check it out if they hear that it exists, I thihk it's true that a lot of others, even those who are seeking reassurance, will take any chance to not be reassured and to stay away.) -- Alan -- =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 15:15:40 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 15:15:03 -0700 From: Sharon Green Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD in 50 words or less To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030624151330.02d18a50-AT-popserver.panix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Enough like contra to feel comfortable, and with _great_ music! Hugs, Sharon Green ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:36:12 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:35:51 -0400 From: Diane Schmit Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD in 50 words or less To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030624191840.03e7aca8-AT-popd.ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_8vdK2aitqd+9wIFxUuWTEA)" --Boundary_(ID_8vdK2aitqd+9wIFxUuWTEA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Allison, I generally use something like your 3rd example. But, I prefer to put the "contra" at the end. Something like "English dancing has a greater variety of music, formations, and style than contra dances." Then, expand upon those if there is still interest. I hadn't used "mood" before. At least not in the quick first sentence. Thanks for that one. I describe it though, with more descriptions of the music. And, words like more interesting, more challenging, will crop up in the longer descriptions, too. Diane Gaithersburg, MD At 05:23 PM 6/24/2003, Allison M Thompson wrote: >"Like contra, yet more interesting." >"Like contra and more challenging." >"Like contra but with more variety of tempo, mood, music, and style." >"Like contra, but better." (oops! -- my bad!) >I'd like to ask list >members how they define ECD in 50 words or less, especially starting from >the "like contra" viewpoint. > >Allison "like contra but easier on the knees" Thompson --Boundary_(ID_8vdK2aitqd+9wIFxUuWTEA) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Allison,

I generally use something like your 3rd example. But, I prefer to put the "contra" at the end.  Something like "English dancing has a greater variety of music, formations, and style than contra dances." Then, expand upon those if there is still interest. I hadn't used "mood" before. At least not in the quick first sentence. Thanks for that one. I describe it though, with more descriptions of the music. And, words like more interesting, more challenging, will crop up in the longer descriptions, too.

Diane

Gaithersburg, MD


At 05:23 PM 6/24/2003, Allison M Thompson wrote:

"Like contra, yet more interesting."
"Like contra and more challenging."
"Like contra but with more variety of tempo, mood, music, and style."
"Like contra, but better." (oops! -- my bad!)

<snip>

I'd like to ask list
members how they define ECD in 50 words or less, especially starting from
the "like contra" viewpoint.

Allison "like contra but easier on the knees" Thompson
--Boundary_(ID_8vdK2aitqd+9wIFxUuWTEA)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 17:11:53 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 20:10:20 -0400 From: "Linda M. Nelson" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD in 50 words or less To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <01KXH6B3QS0S8XU18O-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> Alan Winston wrote: >...think it's true that a lot of others, even those who are seeking >reassurance, >will take any chance to not be reassured and to stay away.) Amazing, but true. Thank goodness for the few adventurous souls who show up simply because it's happening. Most folks come because someone (a friend, usually) personally invited them, and probably brought them. Good advertising and a clever explanation are fine, but will never substitute for the personal touch. cheers - Linda ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 18:43:25 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 21:43:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Terence Gaffney Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD in 50 words or less To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Dear friends, If I was talking to a contra dancer about ECD, I like "Like contra but with more variety of tempo, mood, music, and style." To which I would add " The center of contra dancing is surprise, while in ECD it's connection" When giving a short description, it's best to include something that will stimulate other questions, so the conversation continues. (if you wonder what I mean, think about why in contra dancing the dancers twirl on the back to back, connecting at the end of the phrase, while in an english back to back you maintain eye contact as long as possible.) Best, Terry ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 20:22:02 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 23:21:35 -0400 (EDT) From: JBGrun-AT-aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD in 50 words or less To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <1e8.ba936b7.2c2a6f3f-AT-aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Did anyone mention what, to me, is a significant difference: contra dances, with a few exceptions, can be danced to any tune providing it is metrically appropriate, while English dances are—usually—bonded to their tunes. And, speaking of the choreography-tune connection, I'd like to announce the confirmed dates for the 17th Annual Fried-for-All for Experienced English Dancers: April 30-May 2 2004 Music by Karen Axelrod, Barbara Greenberg & Dan Beerbohm (What a segue!) Judy Grunberg ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 21:29:16 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 23:28:50 -0500 From: "M.G. Mudrey, Jr." Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD in 50 words or less To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030624232752.00b92b08-AT-mail.mhtc.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_cKQWV3RqKH97roAR9iFpVg)" --Boundary_(ID_cKQWV3RqKH97roAR9iFpVg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT At 11:21 PM 6/24/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Did anyone mention what, to me, is a significant difference: contra >dances, with a few exceptions, can be danced to any tune providing it is >metrically appropriate, while English dances are—usually—bonded to their >tunes. Only because modern contra bands do not play the signature tunes for the older contra dances...Hull's Victory or Petronella, for instance. mm --Boundary_(ID_cKQWV3RqKH97roAR9iFpVg) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT At 11:21 PM 6/24/2003 -0400, you wrote:
Did anyone mention what, to me, is a significant difference: contra dances,  with a few exceptions, can be danced to any tune providing it is metrically  appropriate, while English dances are—usually—bonded to their tunes.

Only because modern contra bands do not play the signature tunes for the older contra dances...Hull's Victory or Petronella, for instance.

mm

--Boundary_(ID_cKQWV3RqKH97roAR9iFpVg)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 06:44:11 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 06:43:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Graham Christian Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: ...the marketing of ECD To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20030625134354.56053.qmail-AT-web20607.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Oddly enough, despite the deep interrelationship of ECD and contra (I sometimes term English Country Dance the great-great-great-aunt of contra), I don't think contra dancers are inevitably our best target audience. I enjoy both, but I don't seem to encounter many who do. Moreover, I think that some of the distinguishing features of ECD involve precisely the loss of features dedicated (and especially "zesty") contra dancers enjoy: it's loud, sometimes very fast, exciting, sometimes only just under control. A better target is the slightly-dissatisfied contra consumer: s/he likes old tunes and the progressive form, but doesn't like living dangerously or clinging to sweat-drenched partners or nursing bruised shoulders or toes. So, generally, I don't bother saying, "ECD is like contra, but..." until or unless someone says to me, "I like our contra, but I'm finding it a bit..." I think it's perhaps wiser to direct our persuasions toward dedicated Jane Austen readers, Milton scholars, costume builders, historical reenactors, &c. [I will now meet with objections from contra dancers on our list, who will say that the sort of contra dancing I describe happens only under ineffective callers--but I beg to differ, at least nowadays. My experience in the Northeast is that calm and controlled contra dancing occurs *mostly* during "old classics" sessions--and the attendance at such evenings or sessions, while it would make for a "big crowd" by ECD standards, is discouragingly small by contra standards. The big crowds are associated with the loud, thrilling, twirling "zesty" contras.] ===== Graham Christian "They love dance well that will dance among thorns." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 07:14:23 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 07:14:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Annette Kirk Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: ECD vs Contra To: ECD listserv Message-ID: <20030625141415.24157.qmail-AT-web11705.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_R2PsvF2hMUdAZg+9fqoM4w)" --Boundary_(ID_R2PsvF2hMUdAZg+9fqoM4w) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT If you don't already subscribe to this ECD listserv, you might find it interesting. there's been a thread lately on how to recruit new English dancers Graham Christian wrote:Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 06:43:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Graham Christian Subject: ...the marketing of ECD To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Oddly enough, despite the deep interrelationship of ECD and contra (I sometimes term English Country Dance the great-great-great-aunt of contra), I don't think contra dancers are inevitably our best target audience. I enjoy both, but I don't seem to encounter many who do. Moreover, I think that some of the distinguishing features of ECD involve precisely the loss of features dedicated (and especially "zesty") contra dancers enjoy: it's loud, sometimes very fast, exciting, sometimes only just under control. A better target is the slightly-dissatisfied contra consumer: s/he likes old tunes and the progressive form, but doesn't like living dangerously or clinging to sweat-drenched partners or nursing bruised shoulders or toes. So, generally, I don't bother saying, "ECD is like contra, but..." until or unless someone says to me, "I like our contra, but I'm finding it a bit..." I think it's perhaps wiser to direct our persuasions toward dedicated Jane Austen readers, Milton scholars, costume builders, historical reenactors, &c. [I will now meet with objections from contra dancers on our list, who will say that the sort of contra dancing I describe happens only under ineffective callers--but I beg to differ, at least nowadays. My experience in the Northeast is that calm and controlled contra dancing occurs *mostly* during "old classics" sessions--and the attendance at such evenings or sessions, while it would make for a "big crowd" by ECD standards, is discouragingly small by contra standards. The big crowds are associated with the loud, thrilling, twirling "zesty" contras.] ===== Graham Christian "They love dance well that will dance among thorns." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com Annette Kirk 23 Jefferson Ave Northport NY 11768 631-757-3627 --Boundary_(ID_R2PsvF2hMUdAZg+9fqoM4w) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
If you don't already subscribe to this ECD listserv, you might find it interesting. there's been a thread lately on how to recruit new English dancers

Graham Christian <bray1699-AT-YAHOO.COM> wrote:
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 06:43:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: Graham Christian
Subject: ...the marketing of ECD
To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu

Oddly enough, despite the deep interrelationship of
ECD and contra (I sometimes term English Country Dance
the great-great-great-aunt of contra), I don't think
contra dancers are inevitably our best target
audience. I enjoy both, but I don't seem to encounter
many who do.
Moreover, I think that some of the distinguishing
features of ECD involve precisely the loss of features
dedicated (and especially "zesty") contra dancers
enjoy: it's loud, sometimes very fast, exciting,
sometimes only just under control.
A better target is the slightly-dissatisfied contra
consumer: s/he likes old tunes and the progressive
form, but doesn't like living dangerously or clinging
to sweat-drenched partners or nursing bruised
shoulders or toes. So, generally, I don't bother
saying, "ECD is like contra, but..." until or unless
someone says to me, "I like our contra, but I'm
finding it a bit..."
I think it's perhaps wiser to direct our persuasions
toward dedicated Jane Austen readers, Milton scholars,
costume builders, historical reenactors, &c.
[I will now meet with objections from contra dancers
on our list, who will say that the sort of contra
dancing I describe happens only under ineffective
callers--but I beg to differ, at least nowadays. My
experience in the Northeast is that calm and
controlled contra dancing occurs *mostly* during "old
classics" sessions--and the attendance at such
evenings or sessions, while it would make for a "big
crowd" by ECD standards, is discouragingly small by
contra standards. The big crowds are associated with
the loud, thrilling, twirling "zesty" contras.]

=====
Graham Christian
"They love dance well that will dance among thorns."

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631-757-3627 --Boundary_(ID_R2PsvF2hMUdAZg+9fqoM4w)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 07:17:15 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:18:00 -0400 From: Daniel Pentlarge Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Dissing Contra To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Lately I've been (wickedly) describing the relationship by saying that Contra is just a corrupt form of English. Daniel Pentlarge ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 07:23:37 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:23:25 -0400 From: Michael Bergman Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD in 50 words or less To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I think Judy's put her finger (metaphorically) on one of the important bits -- I think of modern contra dancing as being more rhythmically based, and modern ECD (and 19th century/early 20th century contras) as being more melodic, with emphasis on flow, elegance, and continuous motion. Modern contras have a percussive element (which, by the way, I like) and, with some exceptions, depend on the repeat pattern of the tune, but not the elements of the tune itself. Contras also have more of a lead-and-follow element, whereas MECD dances do better when everyone knows where they're supposed to be, and when, and makes sure that they get there, whether or not their partner leads them there. I would also say that in ECD in general (historical and modern) there is more symmetry than in contras, where there is more of a tendency for couples to do things *as* couples, with a distinct male and female role (or leader and follower, if you prefer). For example, the two-hand turn, vs the buzz-step (which I know has been making appearances on the ECD dance floor for a while now, but which I claim is a contra-dance move). This said, there are newly composed or recently re-reconstructed MECD dances that I don't feel fit that description. And there are some contras that do. None of these things speaks directly to the question, and I'm going to leave it that way. --Mike Bergman At 11:21 PM -0400 6/24/03, JBGrun-AT-AOL.COM wrote: >Did anyone mention what, to me, is a significant difference: contra dances, >with a few exceptions, can be danced to any tune providing it is metrically >appropriate, while English dances are-usually-bonded to their tunes. > >And, speaking of the choreography-tune connection, I'd like to announce the >confirmed dates for the 17th Annual Fried-for-All for Experienced English >Dancers: > >April 30-May 2 2004 >Music by Karen Axelrod, Barbara Greenberg & Dan Beerbohm > >(What a segue!) > >Judy Grunberg -- --Mike Bergman "Of course he has a website. We *all* have websites. It's the dawn of the 21st century, and we're all barbarians!" -- --Mike Bergman "Of course he has a website. We *all* have websites. It's the dawn of the 21st century, and we're all barbarians!" -- --Mike Bergman "Of course he has a website. We *all* have websites. It's the dawn of the 21st century, and we're all barbarians!" ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 07:48:27 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 07:48:49 -0700 From: Ric Goldman Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: ECD in 50 words or less To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT What I find interesting is that many of the definitions are almost self-referential. If you don't already know about ECD or Contra, it's still not helpful. This tends to be common with a lot of us - we're great on in-reach and a little less effective on out-reach. FWIW, I tailor explanations and descriptions to the audience I'm talking to, but here are some common phrases I use. Some of them aren't any more informative, but they picque enough interest to get folks to come - English folk dance and music from the last 400 years (and still growing) - Live music, genteel-to-gymnastic movements - Group interactive dancing, community dancing, dance as socializing - lots of wicked good fun and yet disgusting wholesome - what this stuff was back when it was good... (before it crossed the oceans, headed southwest thru the Appalachia's and mutated into square dance) - 16th century rock-n-roll, without the rock-n-roll (especially good for RennFaire ECD) Yes, I use a lot of the phrases others have already brought up to go into detail, but I find that something which invokes an interesting image works as a initial hook to get their attention. $.02 plain... Ric Goldman ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 08:10:33 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 11:10:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "Susan R. Lorand" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD in 50 words or less To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Tue, 24 Jun 2003, M.G. Mudrey, Jr. wrote: > At 11:21 PM 6/24/2003 -0400, you wrote: > >Did anyone mention what, to me, is a significant difference: contra > >dances, with a few exceptions, can be danced to any tune providing it is > >metrically appropriate, while English dances are—usually—bonded to their > >tunes. > > Only because modern contra bands do not play the signature tunes for the > older contra dances...Hull's Victory or Petronella, for instance. which modern bands do you mean? in my experience with traditional contras (in NJ, the philadelphia area, CDSS dance camps, and occasional miscellaneous new england dances), callers ask if a band can play the signature tune, and they usually can & do. bands will switch to other tunes in the course of the dance and return to the signature tune for the last one or two times through. susie lorand ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 08:23:07 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:15:48 -0500 From: "M.G. Mudrey, Jr." Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD in 50 words or less To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20030625101202.00a86908-AT-mail.mhtc.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Ct8z1ddIVNLQuP9Q4ymAYw)" --Boundary_(ID_Ct8z1ddIVNLQuP9Q4ymAYw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT At 11:10 AM 6/25/2003 -0400, you wrote: >On Tue, 24 Jun 2003, M.G. Mudrey, Jr. wrote: > > > At 11:21 PM 6/24/2003 -0400, you wrote: > > >Did anyone mention what, to me, is a significant difference: contra > > >dances, with a few exceptions, can be danced to any tune providing it is > > >metrically appropriate, while English dances are—usually—bonded to their > > >tunes. > > > > >in my experience with traditional contras (in NJ, the philadelphia area, >CDSS dance camps, and occasional miscellaneous new england dances), >callers ask if a band can play the signature tune, and they usually can & >do. bands will switch to other tunes in the course of the dance and >return to the signature tune for the last one or two times through. Around here also...but my comments were prompted by the previous response that suggested that the difference between contra an english was the lack of using signature tunes... Good contra bands try to match the dance and the tunes...that is a dialectic between the band and the caller...when the band is merely playing "any good" reel in 32 or 48 bars, then the caller and the band have not coordinated. We also have a similar issue in ECD...most of the time signature tunes are used, but even before C. Sharp tuns and dances were always married. M.G. Mudrey, Jr. Wisconsin Geological and Natural History Survey University of Wisconsin-Extension 3817 Mineral Point Road Madison, WI 53705-5100 USA Voice: 608-263-5495 Fax: 608-262-8086 Email: mgmudrey-AT-wisc.edu Survey Web Site: http://www.uwex.edu/wgnhs/ --Boundary_(ID_Ct8z1ddIVNLQuP9Q4ymAYw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT At 11:10 AM 6/25/2003 -0400, you wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jun 2003, M.G. Mudrey, Jr. wrote:

> At 11:21 PM 6/24/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >Did anyone mention what, to me, is a significant difference: contra
> >dances,  with a few exceptions, can be danced to any tune providing it is
> >metrically  appropriate, while English dances are—usually—bonded to their
> >tunes.
>
>
in my experience with traditional contras (in NJ, the philadelphia area,
CDSS dance camps, and occasional miscellaneous new england dances),
callers ask if a band can play the signature tune, and they usually can &
do.  bands will switch to other tunes in the course of the dance and
return to the signature tune for the last one or two times through.

Around here also...but my comments were prompted by the previous response that suggested that the difference between contra an english was the lack of using signature tunes...

Good contra bands try to match the dance and the tunes...that is a dialectic between the band and the caller...when the band is merely playing "any good" reel in 32 or 48 bars, then the caller and the band have not coordinated.

We also have a similar issue in ECD...most of the time signature tunes are used, but even before C. Sharp tuns and dances were always married.


M.G. Mudrey, Jr.
Wisconsin Geological and Natural History Survey
University of Wisconsin-Extension
3817 Mineral Point Road
Madison, WI 53705-5100
USA

Voice: 608-263-5495
Fax:    608-262-8086
Email: mgmudrey-AT-wisc.edu

Survey Web Site: http://www.uwex.edu/wgnhs/
 --Boundary_(ID_Ct8z1ddIVNLQuP9Q4ymAYw)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:51:53 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:51:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Vincent Subject: Re: ECD in 50 words or less To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <20030625175146.64140.qmail-AT-web12204.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT I would say that ECDs, with few exceptions, can also be danced to any tune that's metrically correct. --- JBGrun-AT-aol.com wrote: > Did anyone mention what, to me, is a significant > difference: contra dances, > with a few exceptions, can be danced to any tune > providing it is metrically > appropriate, while English dances > are—usually—bonded to their tunes. ===== Tom Vincent May you work like you don't need the money, Love like you've never been hurt, And dance like no-one is watching. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 11:19:45 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 12:19:18 -0600 From: Anita Klein Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD in 50 words or less To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT However, one of the special things about ECD is that you can "hear" the figures in the tune for many dances. For example, in the B part of Wooing Marie the series of half-circles (1st couple--top 2 couples--all 3 couples) is clearly in the tune. You can use the tune Marie's Wedding, for example, because it's "metrically correct" but you lose the connection with the melody. (At the 2002 BACDS Playford Ball the band switched from Wooing Marie to Marie's Wedding and I became disoriented because the figures no longer went with the tune.) Anita K >>> tomrvincent-AT-YAHOO.COM 06/25/03 10:51AM >>> I would say that ECDs, with few exceptions, can also be danced to any tune that's metrically correct. --- JBGrun-AT-aol.com wrote: > Did anyone mention what, to me, is a significant > difference: contra dances, > with a few exceptions, can be danced to any tune > providing it is metrically > appropriate, while English dances > areâ€"usuallyâ€"bonded to their tunes. ===== Tom Vincent May you work like you don't need the money, Love like you've never been hurt, And dance like no-one is watching. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 17:11:44 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:10:08 -0400 From: Tom Vincent Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD in 50 words or less To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <02e301c33b77$4de29db0$6ec35244-AT-Hansea> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: I think that's more the exception than the rule. It's why so many early ECDs could change tunes so flexibly. Also why live bands can be a bit more adlib with a dance and its tune. Maybe your experience was a bad one, but I'd like to see more experimentation with different tunes for the same dance. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anita Klein" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 2:19 PM Subject: Re: ECD in 50 words or less > However, one of the special things about ECD is that you can "hear" the > figures in the tune for many dances. For example, in the B part of > Wooing Marie the series of half-circles (1st couple--top 2 couples--all > 3 couples) is clearly in the tune. You can use the tune Marie's > Wedding, for example, because it's "metrically correct" but you lose the > connection with the melody. (At the 2002 BACDS Playford Ball the band > switched from Wooing Marie to Marie's Wedding and I became disoriented > because the figures no longer went with the tune.) > > Anita K ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 17:13:42 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:12:08 -0400 From: Tom Vincent Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD in 50 words or less To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <02ed01c33b77$95abff10$6ec35244-AT-Hansea> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: Social dancing popular in early America and England. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ric Goldman" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 10:48 AM Subject: RE: ECD in 50 words or less > What I find interesting is that many of the definitions are almost > self-referential. If you don't already know about ECD or Contra, it's > still not helpful. This tends to be common with a lot of us - we're great > on in-reach and a little less effective on out-reach. > > FWIW, I tailor explanations and descriptions to the audience I'm talking > to, but here are some common phrases I use. Some of them aren't any more > informative, but they picque enough interest to get folks to come > > - English folk dance and music from the last 400 years (and still growing) > > - Live music, genteel-to-gymnastic movements > > - Group interactive dancing, community dancing, dance as socializing > > - lots of wicked good fun and yet disgusting wholesome > > - what this stuff was back when it was good... (before it crossed the > oceans, headed southwest thru the Appalachia's and mutated into square > dance) > > - 16th century rock-n-roll, without the rock-n-roll (especially good for > RennFaire ECD) > > Yes, I use a lot of the phrases others have already brought up to go into > detail, but I find that something which invokes an interesting image works > as a initial hook to get their attention. > > $.02 plain... > > Ric Goldman > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 17:15:26 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:13:21 -0400 From: Tom Vincent Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Dissing Contra To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <02f501c33b77$c14b7240$6ec35244-AT-Hansea> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: Anything wicked or corrupt is good. ;> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Pentlarge" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 10:18 AM Subject: Dissing Contra > Lately I've been (wickedly) describing the relationship by saying that > Contra is just a corrupt form of English. > Daniel Pentlarge > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 17:19:33 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:17:52 -0400 From: Tom Vincent Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD vs Contra To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <02ff01c33b78$6262c3e0$6ec35244-AT-Hansea> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_5MubZbE62iWlLxxgyYt7OQ)" References: <20030625141415.24157.qmail-AT-web11705.mail.yahoo.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_5MubZbE62iWlLxxgyYt7OQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I'm confused: Didn't you just send this to the same list it was posted to? Anyway, I see original ECD as the friendliest to klutzes and those new to dancing since the formations are most simple and the pace most casual. MECD is more complex and a bit faster. Contra is often even more complex and quite a bit faster. All the music is beautiful, ECDers tend to be most genteel (I've never heard of an ECDer accused of gorillaing) and contra is more aerobic. ----- Original Message ----- From: Annette Kirk To: ECD listserv Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 10:14 AM Subject: ECD vs Contra If you don't already subscribe to this ECD listserv, you might find it interesting. there's been a thread lately on how to recruit new English dancers Graham Christian wrote: Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 06:43:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Graham Christian Subject: ...the marketing of ECD To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Oddly enough, despite the deep interrelationship of ECD and contra (I sometimes term English Country Dance the great-great-great-aunt of contra), I don't think contra dancers are inevitably our best target audience. I enjoy both, but I don't seem to encounter many who do. Moreover, I think that some of the distinguishing features of ECD involve precisely the loss of features dedicated (and especially "zesty") contra dancers enjoy: it's loud, sometimes very fast, exciting, sometimes only just under control. A better target is the slightly-dissatisfied contra consumer: s/he likes old tunes and the progressive form, but doesn't like living dangerously or clinging to sweat-drenched partners or nursing bruised shoulders or toes. So, generally, I don't bother saying, "ECD is like contra, but..." until or unless someone says to me, "I like our contra, but I'm finding it a bit..." I think it's perhaps wiser to direct our persuasions toward dedicated Jane Austen readers, Milton scholars, costume builders, historical reenactors, &c. [I will now meet with objections from contra dancers on our list, who will say that the sort of contra dancing I describe happens only under ineffective callers--but I beg to differ, at least nowadays. My experience in the Northeast is that calm and controlled contra dancing occurs *mostly* during "old classics" sessions--and the attendance at such evenings or sessions, while it would make for a "big crowd" by ECD standards, is discouragingly small by contra standards. The big crowds are associated with the loud, thrilling, twirling "zesty" contras.] ===== Graham Christian "They love dance well that will dance among thorns." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com Annette Kirk 23 Jefferson Ave Northport NY 11768 631-757-3627 --Boundary_(ID_5MubZbE62iWlLxxgyYt7OQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

I'm confused:  Didn't you just send this to the same list it was posted to?
 
Anyway, I see original ECD as the friendliest to klutzes and those new to dancing since the formations are most simple and the pace most casual.  MECD is more complex and a bit faster.  Contra is often even more complex and quite a bit faster.  All the music is beautiful, ECDers tend to be most genteel (I've never heard of an ECDer accused of gorillaing) and contra is more aerobic.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 10:14 AM
Subject: ECD vs Contra

If you don't already subscribe to this ECD listserv, you might find it interesting. there's been a thread lately on how to recruit new English dancers

Graham Christian <bray1699-AT-YAHOO.COM> wrote:
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 06:43:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: Graham Christian
Subject: ...the marketing of ECD
To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu

Oddly enough, despite the deep interrelationship of
ECD and contra (I sometimes term English Country Dance
the great-great-great-aunt of contra), I don't think
contra dancers are inevitably our best target
audience. I enjoy both, but I don't seem to encounter
many who do.
Moreover, I think that some of the distinguishing
features of ECD involve precisely the loss of features
dedicated (and especially "zesty") contra dancers
enjoy: it's loud, sometimes very fast, exciting,
sometimes only just under control.
A better target is the slightly-dissatisfied contra
consumer: s/he likes old tunes and the progressive
form, but doesn't like living dangerously or clinging
to sweat-drenched partners or nursing bruised
shoulders or toes. So, generally, I don't bother
saying, "ECD is like contra, but..." until or unless
someone says to me, "I like our contra, but I'm
finding it a bit..."
I think it's perhaps wiser to direct our persuasions
toward dedicated Jane Austen readers, Milton scholars,
costume builders, historical reenactors, &c.
[I will now meet with objections from contra dancers
on our list, who will say that the sort of contra
dancing I describe happens only under ineffective
callers--but I beg to differ, at least nowadays. My
experience in the Northeast is that calm and
controlled contra dancing occurs *mostly* during "old
classics" sessions--and the attendance at such
evenings or sessions, while it would make for a "big
crowd" by ECD standards, is discouragingly small by
contra standards. The big crowds are associated with
the loud, thrilling, twirling "zesty" contras.]

=====
Graham Christian
"They love dance well that will dance among thorns."

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631-757-3627
--Boundary_(ID_5MubZbE62iWlLxxgyYt7OQ)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 17:21:34 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:20:19 -0400 From: Tom Vincent Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD in 50 words or less To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <030f01c33b78$b9fc7470$6ec35244-AT-Hansea> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_xqhZKHMn/BT26weZGXRq4A)" References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030624232752.00b92b08-AT-mail.mhtc.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_xqhZKHMn/BT26weZGXRq4A) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT And contra hasn't generally been around as long as ECD, so there has been less time for a particular dance to be irrevocably associated with a particular tune. It might be hard to get 18th c dancers to experiment with a new tune for a first edition Playford dance. ----- Original Message ----- From: M.G. Mudrey, Jr. To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 12:28 AM Subject: Re: ECD in 50 words or less At 11:21 PM 6/24/2003 -0400, you wrote: Did anyone mention what, to me, is a significant difference: contra dances, with a few exceptions, can be danced to any tune providing it is metrically appropriate, while English dances are-usually-bonded to their tunes. Only because modern contra bands do not play the signature tunes for the older contra dances...Hull's Victory or Petronella, for instance. mm --Boundary_(ID_xqhZKHMn/BT26weZGXRq4A) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT
And contra hasn't generally been around as long as ECD, so there has been less time for a particular dance to be irrevocably associated with a particular tune.  It might be hard to get 18th c dancers to experiment with a new tune for a first edition Playford dance.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 12:28 AM
Subject: Re: ECD in 50 words or less

At 11:21 PM 6/24/2003 -0400, you wrote:
Did anyone mention what, to me, is a significant difference: contra dances,  with a few exceptions, can be danced to any tune providing it is metrically  appropriate, while English dances are—usually—bonded to their tunes.

Only because modern contra bands do not play the signature tunes for the older contra dances...Hull's Victory or Petronella, for instance.

mm

--Boundary_(ID_xqhZKHMn/BT26weZGXRq4A)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 17:25:39 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:23:01 -0400 From: Tom Vincent Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD in 50 words or less To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <032701c33b79$1af6f660$6ec35244-AT-Hansea> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <01KXH6B3QS0S8XU18O-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> The positive way of viewing that is that ECD is similar enough to be comfortable and familiar, yet different enough to be stimulating and a pleasant change of pace. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing" > I think it's dangerous, from a marketing point of view, to start with "Like > contra" because the implication is "It's like this thing you like except > different, which means you might not like it." ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 06:24:38 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 06:24:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Graham Christian Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD vs Contra To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20030626132430.23260.qmail-AT-web20610.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > Anyway, I see original ECD as the friendliest to > klutzes and those new to dancing since the > formations are most simple and the pace most casual. > MECD is more complex and a bit faster. Contra is > often even more complex and quite a bit faster. I disagree. Newcastle? Lulle Me Beyond Thee? Argeers? Adson's Saraband? Confesse? You may say, Aw, shucks, these aren't *so* hard. True, they're not, if you can move to music and have a feeling for pattern: meaning, you can dance. But you'd have to admit that even these take careful instruction, mental agility, and practice, which could not be said of most contra dances or newer Playford-style dances. Besides which, most modern improper contras have a neighbor swing and a partner swing somewhere (or the dancers grouse)--so, if all else is lost, you can find your partner and swing. There was no such predictability or forgiveness in the early English Country Dances. All the same, contra and ECD address different tastes or moods, whether they are perceived as difficult or easy. As parents say to their children, "You're *both* wonderful." ===== Graham Christian "They love dance well that will dance among thorns." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 06:44:40 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 06:44:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Vincent Subject: Re: ECD vs Contra To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <20030626134432.92128.qmail-AT-web12205.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT That's fine. You picked out good, complex dances...hardly representative of the bulk of early ECDs. I used the words 'most' and 'more', which are comparisons: There are few absolutes and almost always exceptions, but I'll stand with my general comparisons. As for lack of predicability/forgiveness in ECD: I'll disagree with that, pointing out the every single longways-for-as-many-as-will has a re-entry point for the lost. And I would hate to see a lost couple start swinging in the middle of a diagonal hey-for-four. :) --- Graham Christian wrote: > > > Anyway, I see original ECD as the friendliest to > > klutzes and those new to dancing since the > > formations are most simple and the pace most > casual. > > MECD is more complex and a bit faster. Contra is > > often even more complex and quite a bit faster. > I disagree. Newcastle? Lulle Me Beyond Thee? > Argeers? > Adson's Saraband? Confesse? You may say, Aw, shucks, > these aren't *so* hard. True, they're not, if you > can > move to music and have a feeling for pattern: > meaning, > you can dance. > But you'd have to admit that even these take careful > instruction, mental agility, and practice, which > could > not be said of most contra dances or newer > Playford-style dances. Besides which, most modern > improper contras have a neighbor swing and a partner > swing somewhere (or the dancers grouse)--so, if all > else is lost, you can find your partner and swing. > There was no such predictability or forgiveness in > the > early English Country Dances. > All the same, contra and ECD address different > tastes > or moods, whether they are perceived as difficult or > easy. As parents say to their children, "You're > *both* > wonderful." > > ===== > Graham Christian > "They love dance well that will dance among thorns." > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com ===== Tom Vincent May you work like you don't need the money, Love like you've never been hurt, And dance like no-one is watching. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 08:16:27 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:15:52 +0100 From: francis2 Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD in 50 words or less To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <000a01c33bf5$df100060$1a423c3e-AT-oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_aHYcLtHWXU3U2ql6/0Fc3g)" References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030624232752.00b92b08-AT-mail.mhtc.net> <030f01c33b78$b9fc7470$6ec35244-AT-Hansea> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_aHYcLtHWXU3U2ql6/0Fc3g) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Most people seem to have forgotten the furore which was created when the 78rpm recording of Jacks Maggot was released with an alternative tune in the middle. All the traditionalist dancers were appalled that such a scandalous idea could even be thought about let alone actually produced, Incidentally I have a recoring by Jimmy Shand and his band of Newcastle with an alternative tune in the middle. Wonderful!! Gives some dancers apoplectic fits, and others get completely los --Boundary_(ID_aHYcLtHWXU3U2ql6/0Fc3g) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Most people seem to have forgotten the furore which was created when the 78rpm recording of Jacks Maggot was released with an alternative tune in the middle. All the traditionalist dancers were appalled that such a scandalous idea could even be thought about let alone actually produced, Incidentally I have a recoring by Jimmy Shand and his band of Newcastle with an alternative tune in the middle. Wonderful!! Gives some dancers apoplectic fits, and others get completely los
--Boundary_(ID_aHYcLtHWXU3U2ql6/0Fc3g)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 09:10:31 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:30:59 +0100 From: Colin Hume Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Dance Organiser To: ECD Mailing List Message-ID: <2003626171027.505782-AT-colin-hume> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT In my spare time when not writing and calling dances I'm a computer programmer. The two sides have come together in a computer program I have written for organising my dances, and I would like to know whether other callers might be interested in buying a copy of the program, which runs on Windows 95 upwards. The main screen shows one of three tabs: Dances, Events and Rules. "Dances" contains all the dances in your repertoire: Title, Format, Style, Level of difficulty, Author, Collection, Music and so on. The main area of this screen contains the actual dance instructions. You can add, delete and modify dances as you wish. "Events" contains all your events (past and future): Group, Event type, Date, Time, Band, Venue, Town, Fee and Contact information. The main area of this screen contains the programme for the event. It is very easy to add dances to the list just by typing the first few letters, remove them from the list and reorder them within the list. "Rules" allows you to specify a set of rules for each event type and then check your event against the rule. After the event you go back to the program, update it to reflect what you actually called, add any Notes (such as "Don't call there again") and save the final version, at which point the counts for the dances are updated. I have been using (and improving) this program for over a year and find it very useful. I will need to do a fair amount of work on it before I can release it to other callers - context-sensitive help, an installation routine and various things which I understand but which might baffle other people. So I need an idea of how many people might be interested in using it. I'm planning to sell it for 50 pounds GB (about $80 US) and I will be open to suggestions for improvements from registered users, particularly if several people make the same request. Please email me if you are interested, and tell others to do the same; if I get a good response I'll prepare to release it to the world! You can find a fuller description of the program on my web site. Colin Hume Email colin-AT-colinhume.com Web site http://www.colinhume.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 10:31:28 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 18:31:06 +0100 From: Alan Corkett Subject: Re: Dance Organiser To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <00fa01c33c08$ba0b1800$8b2386d9-AT-default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Hi Colin Yes, please! Good value for £50 ! Cheers Alan Corkett -----Original Message----- From: Colin Hume To: ECD Mailing List Date: 26 June 2003 17:18 Subject: Dance Organiser In my spare time when not writing and calling dances I'm a computer programmer. The two sides have come together in a computer program I have written for organising my dances, and I would like to know whether other callers might be interested in buying a copy of the program, which runs on Windows 95 upwards. The main screen shows one of three tabs: Dances, Events and Rules. "Dances" contains all the dances in your repertoire: Title, Format, Style, Level of difficulty, Author, Collection, Music and so on. The main area of this screen contains the actual dance instructions. You can add, delete and modify dances as you wish. "Events" contains all your events (past and future): Group, Event type, Date, Time, Band, Venue, Town, Fee and Contact information. The main area of this screen contains the programme for the event. It is very easy to add dances to the list just by typing the first few letters, remove them from the list and reorder them within the list. "Rules" allows you to specify a set of rules for each event type and then check your event against the rule. After the event you go back to the program, update it to reflect what you actually called, add any Notes (such as "Don't call there again") and save the final version, at which point the counts for the dances are updated. I have been using (and improving) this program for over a year and find it very useful. I will need to do a fair amount of work on it before I can release it to other callers - context-sensitive help, an installation routine and various things which I understand but which might baffle other people. So I need an idea of how many people might be interested in using it. I'm planning to sell it for 50 pounds GB (about $80 US) and I will be open to suggestions for improvements from registered users, particularly if several people make the same request. Please email me if you are interested, and tell others to do the same; if I get a good response I'll prepare to release it to the world! You can find a fuller description of the program on my web site. Colin Hume Email colin-AT-colinhume.com Web site http://www.colinhume.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:39:20 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 18:37:12 -0400 From: Tom Vincent Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Dance Organiser To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <020801c33c33$7cd30a30$6ec35244-AT-Hansea> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <2003626171027.505782-AT-colin-hume> How does this have any advantage over a simple spreadsheet? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Hume" To: "ECD Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 11:30 AM Subject: Dance Organiser > In my spare time when not writing and calling dances I'm a computer programmer. > The two sides have come together in a computer program I have written for > organising my dances, and I would like to know whether other callers might be > interested in buying a copy of the program, which runs on Windows 95 upwards. > > The main screen shows one of three tabs: Dances, Events and Rules. > > "Dances" contains all the dances in your repertoire: Title, Format, Style, Level > of difficulty, Author, Collection, Music and so on. The main area of this > screen contains the actual dance instructions. You can add, delete and modify > dances as you wish. > > "Events" contains all your events (past and future): Group, Event type, Date, > Time, Band, Venue, Town, Fee and Contact information. The main area of this > screen contains the programme for the event. It is very easy to add dances to > the list just by typing the first few letters, remove them from the list and > reorder them within the list. > > "Rules" allows you to specify a set of rules for each event type and then check > your event against the rule. > > After the event you go back to the program, update it to reflect what you > actually called, add any Notes (such as "Don't call there again") and save the > final version, at which point the counts for the dances are updated. > > I have been using (and improving) this program for over a year and find it very > useful. I will need to do a fair amount of work on it before I can release it > to other callers - context-sensitive help, an installation routine and various > things which I understand but which might baffle other people. So I need an > idea of how many people might be interested in using it. I'm planning to sell > it for 50 pounds GB (about $80 US) and I will be open to suggestions for > improvements from registered users, particularly if several people make the same > request. Please email me if you are interested, and tell others to do the same; > if I get a good response I'll prepare to release it to the world! > > You can find a fuller description of the program on my web site. > > Colin Hume > > Email colin-AT-colinhume.com Web site http://www.colinhume.com > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:40:15 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 18:37:55 -0400 From: Tom Vincent Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD in 50 words or less To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <021401c33c33$967b7da0$6ec35244-AT-Hansea> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_F1/KvkcDfDwJ29bH06VKwA)" References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030624232752.00b92b08-AT-mail.mhtc.net> <030f01c33b78$b9fc7470$6ec35244-AT-Hansea> <000a01c33bf5$df100060$1a423c3e-AT-oemcomputer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_F1/KvkcDfDwJ29bH06VKwA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT What is 78rpm? :) ----- Original Message ----- From: francis2 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 11:15 AM Subject: Re: ECD in 50 words or less Most people seem to have forgotten the furore which was created when the 78rpm recording of Jacks Maggot was released with an alternative tune in the middle. All the traditionalist dancers were appalled that such a scandalous idea could even be thought about let alone actually produced, Incidentally I have a recoring by Jimmy Shand and his band of Newcastle with an alternative tune in the middle. Wonderful!! Gives some dancers apoplectic fits, and others get completely los --Boundary_(ID_F1/KvkcDfDwJ29bH06VKwA) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
What is 78rpm? :)
----- Original Message -----
From: francis2
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: ECD in 50 words or less

Most people seem to have forgotten the furore which was created when the 78rpm recording of Jacks Maggot was released with an alternative tune in the middle. All the traditionalist dancers were appalled that such a scandalous idea could even be thought about let alone actually produced, Incidentally I have a recoring by Jimmy Shand and his band of Newcastle with an alternative tune in the middle. Wonderful!! Gives some dancers apoplectic fits, and others get completely los
--Boundary_(ID_F1/KvkcDfDwJ29bH06VKwA)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:43:41 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:41:41 -0700 From: Ric Goldman Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: ECD in 50 words or less To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_4r4Mr0kBBxiGLEr37Fh6ag)" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_4r4Mr0kBBxiGLEr37Fh6ag) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT 78 revolutions-per-minute - the speed of those really old records. Coincidentally, the frequency with which south american governments were experiencing regime change at one time. Later came 45 rpm records or "45s" which were common in juke boxes with normally one tune per side (lots of old folk dance collections were boxes of 45s) After that LPs - long playing records - running at 33 rpm. We will pretend 4-tracks and 8-tracks just never happened. Then came cassettes, CDs, DVDs, MP3's, and lots of other neat stuff. Ain't technology grand? Thanx, Ric Goldman -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [mailto:owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of Tom Vincent Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 3:38 PM To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD in 50 words or less What is 78rpm? :) ----- Original Message ----- From: francis2 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 11:15 AM Subject: Re: ECD in 50 words or less Most people seem to have forgotten the furore which was created when the 78rpm recording of Jacks Maggot was released with an alternative tune in the middle. All the traditionalist dancers were appalled that such a scandalous idea could even be thought about let alone actually produced, Incidentally I have a recoring by Jimmy Shand and his band of Newcastle with an alternative tune in the middle. Wonderful!! Gives some dancers apoplectic fits, and others get completely los --Boundary_(ID_4r4Mr0kBBxiGLEr37Fh6ag) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Message
78 revolutions-per-minute - the speed of those really old records.  Coincidentally, the frequency with which south american governments were experiencing regime change at one time.
 
Later came 45 rpm records or "45s" which were common in juke boxes with normally one tune per side (lots of old folk dance collections were boxes of 45s)
 
After that LPs - long playing records - running at 33 rpm.
 
We will pretend 4-tracks and 8-tracks just never happened.
 
Then came cassettes, CDs, DVDs, MP3's, and lots of other neat stuff.
 
Ain't technology grand?
 
Thanx, Ric Goldman
 
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [mailto:owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of Tom Vincent
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 3:38 PM
To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu
Subject: Re: ECD in 50 words or less

What is 78rpm? :)
----- Original Message -----
From: francis2
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: ECD in 50 words or less

Most people seem to have forgotten the furore which was created when the 78rpm recording of Jacks Maggot was released with an alternative tune in the middle. All the traditionalist dancers were appalled that such a scandalous idea could even be thought about let alone actually produced, Incidentally I have a recoring by Jimmy Shand and his band of Newcastle with an alternative tune in the middle. Wonderful!! Gives some dancers apoplectic fits, and others get completely los
--Boundary_(ID_4r4Mr0kBBxiGLEr37Fh6ag)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 18:28:35 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 21:08:21 -0400 From: "Linda M. Nelson" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Dance Organiser To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <2003626171027.505782-AT-colin-hume> Colin Hume writes: >... I would like to know whether other callers might be >interested in buying a copy of the program, which runs on Windows 95 upwards. <... sigh...> Sounds great and useful and all that and i'm on Mac. Life is like that sometimes. - L ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 18:28:40 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 21:27:08 -0400 From: "Linda M. Nelson" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ...the marketing of ECD To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <20030625134354.56053.qmail-AT-web20607.mail.yahoo.com> Graham Christian wrote: >Oddly enough, despite the deep interrelationship of >ECD and contra (I sometimes term English Country Dance >the great-great-great-aunt of contra), I don't think >contra dancers are inevitably our best target >audience. I enjoy both, but I don't seem to encounter >many who do. Graham's right on target with this one. I've seen more cross-overs with Scottish, or with international folk dance. Contradancers seem to get frustrated more easily when they don't get an aerobic, frenetic, raucous, hypnotic, repetitive groove with umpteen swings. >I think it's perhaps wiser to direct our persuasions >toward dedicated Jane Austen readers, Milton scholars, >costume builders, historical reenactors, &c. Early music folk, too. Anyone with an interest in history, or historical music and dance. Not to say that joe and jill off the street can't try and enjoy ECD, just that they're less likely to respond to the information on first pass. Jane Austen movies have inspired a surprising number of people to give ECD a try. Just musing - Linda ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 19:19:45 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 22:19:27 -0400 (EDT) From: JBGrun-AT-aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD in 50 words or less To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <57.1ee25398.2c2d03af-AT-aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 6/25/03 8:33:53 PM, TomRVincent-AT-YAHOO.COM writes: << And contra hasn't generally been around as long as ECD, so there has been less time for a particular dance to be irrevocably associated with a particular tune. >> I'm about the least historically knowledgeable in this thread, but, having raised it, I'll forge ahead. (Also, it's 86 degrees in this room.) In ECD I didn't think it was a question of *association*--the dances were actually written to be danced to a particular tune. CHOREGRAPHED. No? Help someone!!! Gene? Sharon? Would you encounter the steps of Swan Lake done to something other than that particular Tchaikovsky work? Judy G. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 19:40:00 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 22:39:52 -0400 From: Campbell Kaynor Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Tune associations To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Dear Judy, I agree that dances - both ECD and Contra - are often choreographed to be the companion of a particular tune but sometimes one writes a tune to accompany a dance that is craving the perfect match. (This could be because the dance was writen with no particular tune in mind or because the original tune XXXXs). However, we sometimes stumble across a match that seems to fit like a glove and then we have an "association." (Perhaps this is my best argument for why we often play medleys for contras. By trying out likely suspects, we can occasionally find a perfect pairing. Also, we sometimes stumble across a good match in the entire medley itself as some like to do with Picking Of Sticks/Kitty McGee/Lavena). When I compose a novel series of moves and structure them into a dance the job is only half done because I have not yet found its music. I dance the figures (actual or in my mind) and ask "what is the melody that drives me to dance these moves?" Cammy ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 19:52:19 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 22:52:10 -0400 From: Campbell Kaynor Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD in 50 words or less To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT First to address the marketing of ECD - I think contradancers are one of the best sources for ECD dancers, but it is helpful to understand where they are coming from, or there is a strong risk that you could turn them off from ever trying ECD again. I find being a caller of both contras and ECD helps. The vast majority of my ECD dancers were and most still are Contradancers. Secondly, to address the 50 words request - since I pretty much restrict my ECD to the Playford dances, I tell my dancers - The ECD we do, are the dances that were brought to New England by the settlers from the British Isles. The modern day contras evolved out of these dances here, (just as the ECD continued to evolve in GB). The ECD music is faster and baroque sounding and the figures more varied than contra. Well I guess that's 54 words but if you remove the parenthetical... Cheers, Cammy ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 20:24:18 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 23:22:44 -0400 From: "Linda M. Nelson" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: irrevocably associated? To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <57.1ee25398.2c2d03af-AT-aol.com> Judy G. writes: >Would you encounter the steps of Swan Lake done to something other than that >particular Tchaikovsky work? How about The Bishop to Miss Dolland's Delight? Up With Aily to Hare's Maggot? We've had this thread before. ECD is rife with swapped tunes, some of which we've come to consider "irrevocably associated" with a particular dance. But it can be interesting to try the dance again with its original tune, or the tunes with their original dances. (And perhaps we should consider that many of our beloved duples and 3-couple sets began as fashionable triple minors.) Perhaps Swan Lake would make a dandy rant? Cheers - Linda ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 21:20:27 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 23:16:35 -0500 From: Paul Stamler Subject: Re: ECD in 50 words or less To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <00a801c33c62$e62127e0$506b550c-AT-paulstam> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <20030624.172334.-1764443.4.AllisonThompson-AT-juno.com> Hi folks: My announcement at the contra dance usually is along the lines that my guru* might have used: "It's the same, only different." Peace, Paul * Yogi Berra ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 21:25:03 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 23:21:10 -0500 From: Paul Stamler Subject: Re: ECD in 50 words or less To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <00e001c33c63$8a58a540$506b550c-AT-paulstam> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030624232752.00b92b08-AT-mail.mhtc.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: M.G. Mudrey, Jr. At 11:21 PM 6/24/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Did anyone mention what, to me, is a significant difference: contra >dances, with a few exceptions, can be danced to any tune providing it is >metrically appropriate, while English dances are-usually-bonded to their >tunes. <> Well, and it's also the case that most of the dances now danced at contras are modern ones, not written with a particular tune in mind. Peace, Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 21:51:35 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 00:51:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Will Linden Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: irrevocably associated? To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <57.1ee25398.2c2d03af-AT-aol.com> On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Linda M. Nelson wrote: > Judy G. writes: > >Would you encounter the steps of Swan Lake done to something other than that > >particular Tchaikovsky work? > > How about The Bishop to Miss Dolland's Delight? Up With Aily to Hare's Maggot? > The Guidman of Ballengeich to Hunt the Squirrel... Will Linden wlinden-AT-panix.com http://www.ecben.net/ Magic Code: MAS/GD S++ W++ N+ PWM++ Ds/r+ A-> a++ C+ G- QO++ 666 Y ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 22:32:04 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 01:28:34 -0400 From: "Dawn C. Culbertson" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD in 50 words or less To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20030627.013202.-21331.20.dcculb-AT-juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:41:41 -0700 Ric Goldman writes: > 78 revolutions-per-minute - the speed of those really old records. > Coincidentally, the frequency with which south american governments > were > experiencing regime change at one time. > > Later came 45 rpm records or "45s" which were common in juke boxes > with > normally one tune per side (lots of old folk dance collections were > boxes > of 45s) > > After that LPs - long playing records - running at 33 rpm. > > We will pretend 4-tracks and 8-tracks just never happened. > > Then came cassettes, CDs, DVDs, MP3's, and lots of other neat stuff. > > Ain't technology grand? There are also 16 rpm discs (usually used only in radio stations), which could be 12" like regular LPs, but were often much larger. And some Talking Book records for the blind can play at speeds as slow as 8 rpm! Dawn Culbertson ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 04:48:38 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 04:48:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Benjamin Stein Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: ECD in 50 words or less To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20030627114829.76521.qmail-AT-web41504.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sorry-as an"old" dancer I get a different read on the contra vs ECD thing. First-how long have I danced, Square and Contra Dancing-64 years Scottish Country dancing-32 years English Country dancing-about 30 years-not counting the intorduction to ECDin 1940 in NYC Internatioonal Folkl Dancing-60 years. Yes-those figures are right. Now Contra Daning is physicallly challenging but NOT mentally challenging-the music is all at roughly the same beat and speed, there are people out there who don'teven know that a "triple" min0r exists and the figures ae simpkistic and repetitive. Ebnglish country daning is not physically challengin but is very challenging mentally. The musical pharsing is varied and important, the figures are challenging and it does take thought. Scottish country dancing can be physically challenging and mentaly as well but the mucical pharasing is not as interesting or varied as english country daning though the footwork is more so. I will not get into International folk dancing except to say that folk dancers do not learn dances the same way as country daners-they tend to learn a dance as an entitiy, not to develp[ a vocabulary of formations and footwork. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 05:50:54 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 08:50:35 -0400 (EDT) From: JBGrun-AT-aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: irrevocably associated? To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 6/27/03 12:56:38 AM, wlinden-AT-PANIX.COM writes: << > How about The Bishop to Miss Dolland's Delight? Up With Aily to Hare's Maggot? > The Guidman of Ballengeich to Hunt the Squirrel... >> Duh, but come on guys, I doubt you'd find tunes to replace those wedded to Hambledon's Round-O or Mr. Beveridge or Trip to Kilburne or...or... or even for the contemporay dances of Gary Roodman or Fried Herman.... Why aren't we hearing from the choreographers here? Of course there have been some unsuccessful unions where the flow of figures is considered by some to be more interesting than the original music they were set to. In those cases it's wonderful when someone comes up with a better tune. Or vice-versa. Judy G. Judy G ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 06:17:26 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:11:57 -0300 From: John Wood Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Dance Organiser [2] To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <001c01c33cad$b053da40$8492e018-AT-johnwood> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <2003626171027.505782-AT-colin-hume> Hi, Colin: Put me down on your listing, please. Regards, John Bedford, Nova Scotia Subject: Dance Organiser > In my spare time when not writing and calling dances I'm a computer programmer. > The two sides have come together in a computer program I have written for > organising my dances, and I would like to know whether other callers might be > interested in buying a copy of the program, which runs on Windows 95 upwards. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 08:32:54 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:32:43 -0500 (CDT) From: jsivier-AT-uiuc.edu (Jonathan Sivier) Subject: Re: ECD in 50 words or less To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <200306271532.h5RFWifR010029-AT-staff1.cso.uiuc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Benjamin Stein writes: > Contra Daning is physicallly challenging but NOT mentally > challenging-the music is all at roughly the same beat and > speed, there are people out there who don'teven know that a > "triple" min0r exists and the figures ae simpkistic and > repetitive. > > Ebnglish country daning is not physically challengin but is > very challenging mentally. The musical pharsing is varied > and important, the figures are challenging and it does take > thought. > > Scottish country dancing can be physically challenging and > mentaly as well but the mucical pharasing is not as > interesting or varied as english country daning though the > footwork is more so. > > I will not get into International folk dancing except to > say that folk dancers do not learn dances the same way as > country daners-they tend to learn a dance as an entitiy, > not to develp[ a vocabulary of formations and footwork. I agree with everything Ben has said. When promoting ECD in 50 words or less (to contra dancers) I usually say it's similar to contra dance, but different. Similar enough to be familiar, but different enough to be interesting. When asked to elaborate on the differences I usually mention that ECD is a bit less physically demanding (slightly slower average tempo and dances run for shorter time in general), but more demanding mentally. In contra dance you are almost always in contact with someone and if you space out they will pull you along through the next figure. However in ECD there is less physical connectivity, so you are more responsible to remember what comes next and get yourself to where you need to be on time. This makes it an excellent choice for staving off that dementia as was mentioned in that article in the New England Journal of Medicine. They mention ballroom dancing, but perhaps we should promote ECD as part of a healthy lifestyle. ;-) The URL of the article is http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/short/348/25/2508 Jonathan ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Jonathan Sivier |Q: How many angels can dance on the | | jsivier-AT-uiuc.edu | head of a pin? | | Flight Simulation Lab |A: It depends on what dance you call. | | Beckman Institute | | | 405 N. 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Good for marketing, but it makes me sad. Torbin On Thursday, June 26, 2003, at 09:27 PM, Linda M. Nelson wrote (in part): > Jane Austen movies have inspired a surprising number of people to give > ECD a try. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:28:42 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:28:33 -0400 From: Campbell Kaynor Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD slower than contra? To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Jonathan, I am trying to figure out whether you play your contras faster or your ECD slower than I, because OUR average ECD is faster than the contras, and you said that yours is slower? I deliberately pick a tempo that is a bit faster because it encourages dancers to be on the balls of their feet with their weight slightly forward without me having to remind them frequently. Occasionally we do a dance at a slower pace for atmosphere (e.g., Hunsdon House) and some of the "minuet" tunes feel better at a slower pace (and this allows for the dancers who are familiar with the early minuet footwork to incorporate it into the dance). Once the dancers have become accustomed to the posture I advocate, these slower exceptions can be incorporated without losing it. For contras, we tend to spend considerable time with feet flat on the floor and a slower pace will allow for this. I think of the contra pace as a "purposeful walk." Cammy ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:57:13 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:57:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Vincent Subject: Re: ECD in 50 words or less To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <20030627185705.63815.qmail-AT-web12202.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Rather than simply 'poach' on contra dances, here are some other good contacts for marketing ECD: 1. Local social organizations like YMCA, churches, community centers. A lot of people are looking for healthy, safe, fun things to do and ECD fits the bill quite nicely. 2. Volunteer organizations like Sierra Club, Nature Conservancy, biking/hiking clubs, folk music, etc. They, too, are looking for social activities. 3. Local historic sites, especially 17th-19th century. You'd be surprised at how enthusiastic they are about new things for their site. 4. Large employers. Offer to put together a company dance. 5. Health care providers: Doctors, hospitals, weight-watchers, etc. Work with them to help show their patients the very real physical and mental benefits of dancing. --- Campbell Kaynor wrote: > > First to address the marketing of ECD - I think > contradancers are one of > the best sources for ECD dancers, but it is helpful > to understand where > they are coming from, or there is a strong risk that > you could turn them > off from ever trying ECD again. I find being a > caller of both contras and > ECD helps. The vast majority of my ECD dancers were > and most still are > Contradancers. > > Secondly, to address the 50 words request - since I > pretty much restrict my > ECD to the Playford dances, I tell my dancers - > The ECD we do, are the dances that were brought to > New England by the > settlers from the British Isles. The modern day > contras evolved out of > these dances here, (just as the ECD continued to > evolve in GB). The ECD > music is faster and baroque sounding and the figures > more varied than > contra. > > Well I guess that's 54 words but if you remove the > parenthetical... > Cheers, Cammy > ===== Tom Vincent May you work like you don't need the money, Love like you've never been hurt, And dance like no-one is watching. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:26:04 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 15:25:51 -0400 (EDT) From: "Susan R. Lorand" Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: tempos: ECD vs. contra To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT i'm sure this comparison varies from region to region, but my experience supports the claim that ECD tends to be a little slower. in the areas where i play for ECD and contra most often (new jersey and surrounding areas, CDSS dance camps, etc.), while there are wide variations within ECD and slight variations within contra, 108-112 beats per minute is the most common tempo range for ECD; 116-120 is standard for contra. susie lorand ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:34:24 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 20:53:40 +0100 From: Colin Hume Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Dance Organiser To: ECD Mailing List Message-ID: <2003627213423.558564-AT-colin-hume> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 07:00:04 PST, Tom Vincent wrote: >How does this have any advantage over a simple spreadsheet? I'm a database programmer and no expert on spreadsheets, and of course you could create a spreadsheet with one page per event and put the venue information in the first few rows and the dance titles in the remaining rows. But could you actually link together a spreadsheet of Events and a spreadsheet of Dances, so that by typing the first few letters of a Dance it could pull in the title, format, style and so on? Could you click on a Dance and be given a list of all Events at which that Dance was part of the programme? I would have thought that a database was necessary for that sort of linkage. Colin Hume Email colin-AT-colinhume.com Web site http://www.colinhume.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 13:55:47 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 21:39:13 +0100 From: Ann Higley Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Playford Ball, Bournemouth, England To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <001b01c33cef$2e925c60$a056893e-AT-annhigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_RdZnHKAVbPsvdmZGNp6MHg)" References: <5.2.1.1.2.20030613093049.00abcca0-AT-mail.mhtc.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_RdZnHKAVbPsvdmZGNp6MHg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT The Ring of Eight Playford dance group invite dancers to their SUMMER STRAWBERRY BALL On Sat 5 July 2003, at 7.30pm. at Glenmoor School for Girls, Bournemouth. The MC will be John Turner, with music by the Ring of Eight Recorder Consort. Costume optional but appreciated. Dances will be Playford or Playford style. Ticket Price £8 to include strawberries and cream and other light refreshments. For further details, please contact the secretary off list - Ann Higley ann-AT-higley.freeserve.co.uk Thank you. --Boundary_(ID_RdZnHKAVbPsvdmZGNp6MHg) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT
The Ring of Eight Playford dance group invite dancers to their
 
                  SUMMER STRAWBERRY BALL
 
On Sat 5 July 2003, at 7.30pm. at Glenmoor School for Girls, Bournemouth. The MC will be John Turner, with music by the Ring of Eight Recorder Consort. Costume optional but appreciated. Dances will be Playford or Playford style. Ticket Price £8 to include strawberries and cream and other light refreshments.
 
For further details, please contact the secretary off list -
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--Boundary_(ID_RdZnHKAVbPsvdmZGNp6MHg)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:08:17 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 22:11:15 +0100 From: Mike Courthold Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Dance Organiser To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030627221038.03d39130-AT-sirius.asd1.rl.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Colin, I would be interested in hearing more about your "program", which I assume is actually an MS Access relational database. I have built such a database myself, with the difference that mine is primarily used to cross-reference my dance and CD collection; but for several years I have trying to find the time to add events, venues, and dances done, very much like yourself. I might be tempted to switch to your program, and save myself the extra work and hassle, if yours is very good. When I ran my Callers' Workshops at Sidmouth, and handed out examples of my own dance and CD databases, there was quite a lot of interest expressed in such databases. If you publicise your program at such an event, you might be pleasantly surprised by the response. Cheers, Mike. At 16:30 26/06/03 +0100, you wrote: >In my spare time when not writing and calling dances I'm a computer >programmer. >The two sides have come together in a computer program I have written for >organising my dances, and I would like to know whether other callers might be >interested in buying a copy of the program, which runs on Windows 95 upwards. > >The main screen shows one of three tabs: Dances, Events and Rules. > >"Dances" contains all the dances in your repertoire: Title, Format, Style, >Level >of difficulty, Author, Collection, Music and so on. The main area of this >screen contains the actual dance instructions. You can add, delete and modify >dances as you wish. > >"Events" contains all your events (past and future): Group, Event type, Date, >Time, Band, Venue, Town, Fee and Contact information. The main area of this >screen contains the programme for the event. It is very easy to add dances to >the list just by typing the first few letters, remove them from the list and >reorder them within the list. > >"Rules" allows you to specify a set of rules for each event type and then >check >your event against the rule. > >After the event you go back to the program, update it to reflect what you >actually called, add any Notes (such as "Don't call there again") and save the >final version, at which point the counts for the dances are updated. > >I have been using (and improving) this program for over a year and find it >very >useful. I will need to do a fair amount of work on it before I can release it >to other callers - context-sensitive help, an installation routine and various >things which I understand but which might baffle other people. So I need an >idea of how many people might be interested in using it. I'm planning to sell >it for 50 pounds GB (about $80 US) and I will be open to suggestions for >improvements from registered users, particularly if several people make >the same >request. Please email me if you are interested, and tell others to do the >same; >if I get a good response I'll prepare to release it to the world! > >You can find a fuller description of the program on my web site. > >Colin Hume > >Email colin-AT-colinhume.com Web site http://www.colinhume.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 16:08:40 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:51:53 -0400 From: Allison M Thompson Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD in 50 words or less To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20030627.190707.-1859159.17.AllisonThompson-AT-juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Thanks for all the 50 wds or less contributions! I thought that there were some very interesting insights out there on the marketing--both to whom and how--of ECD. Here's my 50 word contribution; I'm afraid that while it's correct, it's rather stilted. "Like contra, but different," may still be the snappiest shorthand response. Like contras, English country dances are interactive dances with repeated figures for many couples who typically change partners after each dance. Mentally challenging, characterized by gorgeous music, and with dances composed from 1651 to yesterday, an evening of English dances has a wide range of tempos, moods, styles, and formations. Allison Thompson ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 06:40:04 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 09:39:53 -0400 From: Campbell Kaynor Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD in 50 words or less To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Love it! Each of us will find things that don't agree with our perspective but what you say should have broad appeal. What stands out for me is the bit about "mentally challenging" since I view this as being a component of dances that don't fit the tune well, but those words WILL attract some people that might not go for "abandon yourself to the music and your feet will lead the way." Cammy Allison M Thompson cc: Sent by: Subject: Re: ECD in 50 words or less owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.s tanford.edu 27-Jun-2003 12:51 PM Please respond to ECD Thanks for all the 50 wds or less contributions! I thought that there were some very interesting insights out there on the marketing--both to whom and how--of ECD. Here's my 50 word contribution; I'm afraid that while it's correct, it's rather stilted. "Like contra, but different," may still be the snappiest shorthand response. Like contras, English country dances are interactive dances with repeated figures for many couples who typically change partners after each dance. Mentally challenging, characterized by gorgeous music, and with dances composed from 1651 to yesterday, an evening of English dances has a wide range of tempos, moods, styles, and formations. Allison Thompson ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 06:53:08 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 14:51:10 +0100 From: Mike Courthold Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Dance Organiser To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030628143154.044ce690-AT-sirius.asd1.rl.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Colin has just corrected me about his Dance Organiser, which really is a "program", written in Borland Delphi - which is likely to be considerably better and easier to use than an Access database (well, anything is actually!) Keep your eyes open for further announcements from Colin - with Colin's renown dance and calling knowledge and skills, combined with his "spare time" day-job programming skills, this new program of his is likely to be very useful to many of us. Mike. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 07:14:17 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 15:12:48 +0100 From: Michael Barraclough Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: ECD in 50 words or less To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <000a01c33d7f$5b313bc0$0500a8c0-AT-ntworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Great definition except that some of the dances (and tunes) date from before 1651. Michael Barraclough http://www.mab.tfis.co.uk I've stopped 4,709 spam messages. You can too! One month FREE spam protection at http://www.cloudmark.com/spamnetsig/} -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [mailto:owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of Allison M Thompson Sent: 27 June 2003 17:52 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD in 50 words or less Thanks for all the 50 wds or less contributions! I thought that there were some very interesting insights out there on the marketing--both to whom and how--of ECD. Here's my 50 word contribution; I'm afraid that while it's correct, it's rather stilted. "Like contra, but different," may still be the snappiest shorthand response. Like contras, English country dances are interactive dances with repeated figures for many couples who typically change partners after each dance. Mentally challenging, characterized by gorgeous music, and with dances composed from 1651 to yesterday, an evening of English dances has a wide range of tempos, moods, styles, and formations. Allison Thompson ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 09:15:00 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 17:14:51 +0100 From: Anthony Stone Subject: Re: tempos: ECD vs. contra To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <16125.48891.508172.629105-AT-fandango.ch.cam.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: Some time ago I checked the speed of the recorded music that we generally use for ECD at the Round, for comparison with other recordings. While there is a wide variation, as Susie says, the range goes from 100 b.p.m. or less in these recordings up to 130 b.p.m., with a few even faster, and more of them are faster than 120 b.p.m. than are slower. One of the attractions of ECD for me is the wide variation in speed and style, but it can certainly be as energetic as contra. At 15:25 on 27 June, Susan R. Lorand wrote: > i'm sure this comparison varies from region to region, but my experience > supports the claim that ECD tends to be a little slower. > > in the areas where i play for ECD and contra most often (new jersey and > surrounding areas, CDSS dance camps, etc.), while there are wide > variations within ECD and slight variations within contra, 108-112 beats > per minute is the most common tempo range for ECD; 116-120 is > standard for contra. Anthony Stone ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 11:11:50 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 14:11:35 -0400 From: Campbell Kaynor Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: tempos: ECD vs. contra To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I hope I didn't suggest that each genre is restricted to a a certain range of tempi! I was trying to address the "averages" here. I don't equate "energetic" with tempo. In fact, the slower contras seem to encourage the expenditure of energy in a foot stomping way. I think of these as having more opportunity for vertical movement which when blended with the horizontal thrust of the dance is VERY energetic. On the other hand, the faster ones tend to nurture a horizontal and more flowing style as is traditional in southern USA. It is for this reason (as I said before) that I favor quicker tempi for ECD and especially if there are new comers of contra persuasion who are struggling with the differences in posture and carriage. The faster tempo gets their weight forward - their weight forward gets them off the heels of their feet - being off the heals of their feet gets them to move in a horizontal and flowing path - this achieved, a few words about straight back, eyes off the floor, and supporting their neighbors seems all that is required. CK Anthony Stone To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu Sent by: cc: owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.slac.s Subject: Re: tempos: ECD vs. contra tanford.edu 28-Jun-2003 12:14 PM Please respond to ECD Some time ago I checked the speed of the recorded music that we generally use for ECD at the Round, for comparison with other recordings. While there is a wide variation, as Susie says, the range goes from 100 b.p.m. or less in these recordings up to 130 b.p.m., with a few even faster, and more of them are faster than 120 b.p.m. than are slower. One of the attractions of ECD for me is the wide variation in speed and style, but it can certainly be as energetic as contra. At 15:25 on 27 June, Susan R. Lorand wrote: > i'm sure this comparison varies from region to region, but my experience > supports the claim that ECD tends to be a little slower. > > in the areas where i play for ECD and contra most often (new jersey and > surrounding areas, CDSS dance camps, etc.), while there are wide > variations within ECD and slight variations within contra, 108-112 beats > per minute is the most common tempo range for ECD; 116-120 is > standard for contra. Anthony Stone ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 21:45:37 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 21:45:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: tempos: ECD vs. contra To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20030629044533.59074.qmail-AT-web20001.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --- Campbell Kaynor wrote: > It is for this reason (as I said before) that I favor quicker tempi > for ECD and especially if there are new comers of contra persuasion > who are struggling with the differences in posture and carriage. I have noticed over the years that there seems to be a mistaken assumption by many ECD teachers that a slower tempo is better for beginners. Because of this misconception, sometimes the dances are painfully slow and _more_ difficult to do. For instance, one of the "problems" that many people have with Hole in the Wall, which is often played slowly, is that they have too much music for the speed at which they dance it, i.e., they aren't listening and dancing _to_ the music. But some teachers seem to think that the solution is to slow it down even more, which makes it even more difficult. I don't think that slowing the tempo helps people who are having trouble; I think it gives them too much time to think about the next move and go the wrong way. If tempo is such that I'm having trouble dancing slowly enough to keep from tipping over before my foot comes down _on_ the beat, the tempo is much too slow for beginners. This goes for _any_ kind of dance, not just ECD. Not that there isn't such a thing as too fast a tempo... Andy in Portland OR __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 22:39:38 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 22:39:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Tune associations To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20030629053933.11497.qmail-AT-web20007.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --- Campbell Kaynor wrote: > I agree that dances - both ECD and Contra - are often choreographed > to be the companion of a particular tune but sometimes one writes a > tune to accompany a dance that is craving the perfect match. (This > could be because the dance was writen with no particular tune in > mind or because the original tune XXXXs). > > However, we sometimes stumble across a match that seems to fit like > a glove and then we have an "association." (Perhaps this is my best > argument for why we often play medleys for contras. By trying out > likely suspects, we can occasionally find a perfect pairing. Also, > we sometimes stumble across a good match in the entire medley itself > as some like to do with Picking Of Sticks/Kitty McGee/Lavena). > > When I compose a novel series of moves and structure them into a > dance the job is only half done because I have not yet found its > music. I dance the figures (actual or in my mind) and ask "what is > the melody that drives me to dance these moves?" I can remember dancing three couple dances to records back in the late'60s/early'70s. The recordings were made for three times through the dance and often had an alternative tune sandwiched between the tune that was associated with the dance. We used to joke about the sacrificial second couple who had to do the dance to the alternate tune. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 22:46:58 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 22:46:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: ECD in 50 words or less To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20030629054653.94812.qmail-AT-web20002.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --- Ric Goldman wrote: > 78 revolutions-per-minute - the speed of those really old records. > Coincidentally, the frequency with which south american governments > were experiencing regime change at one time. Including some ECD recordings that were put out by EFDSS. > Later came 45 rpm records or "45s" which were common in juke boxes > with normally one tune per side (lots of old folk dance collections > were boxes of 45s) In the late '60s/early '70s, EFDSS (and CDSS) sold a number of recordings on LP 45s that had two or three dances per side. Then there were all those records that I borrowed and put on a reel-to-reel tape, before cassettes came out. I still have the tapes, but nothing on which to play them. Andy in PDX OR __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 22:59:48 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 22:59:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD in 50 words or less To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20030629055939.13384.qmail-AT-web20007.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT -- Tom Vincent wrote: > And contra hasn't generally been around as long as ECD, so there > has been less time for a particular dance to be irrevocably > associated with a particular tune. It might be hard to get 18th c > dancers to experiment with a new tune for a first edition Playford > dance. Considering that Contra evolved the ECD that was brought to the colonies, it hasn't been around as long. I disagree with you that it hasn't been around long enough to be associated with a specific tune. You've apparently never experienced dances like Hull's Victory, Chorus Jig, Rory O'More, Lady of the Lake... And many other _OLD_ Contras that _are_ associated with a specific tune. Modern Contras are generally not written with a specific tune in mind, nor are the tunes usually written for a specific dance. Andy in PDX OR __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 05:49:21 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 08:49:06 -0400 From: Tom Vincent Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Dance Organiser To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <01a501c33e3c$d45fe4c0$6ec35244-AT-Hansea> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <2003627213423.558564-AT-colin-hume> Sure. It would be pretty easy to do in Excel, for example, with one worksheet for dances and their details, one for specifics about events and one for dance/event lists (cross-reference). Worksheets in -- Excel or other spreadsheets -- can be set up just like tables in a database as well as do reports. It would also give you more flexibility and allow you to easily sort, filter, search/replace, etc. Whatever works, but sometimes people already have very powerful software for accomplishing interesting tasks. I know that some weavers have used ECDs as patterns for fabrics, some with quite beautiful results. I've thought that using dance patterns for animation (such as MusicMatch uses) would result in some pretty graphical displays...sort of like a kaleidoscope. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Hume" To: "ECD Mailing List" Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 3:53 PM Subject: Re: Dance Organiser > On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 07:00:04 PST, Tom Vincent wrote: > > >How does this have any advantage over a simple spreadsheet? > > I'm a database programmer and no expert on spreadsheets, and of course you could > create a spreadsheet with one page per event and put the venue information in > the first few rows and the dance titles in the remaining rows. But could you > actually link together a spreadsheet of Events and a spreadsheet of Dances, so > that by typing the first few letters of a Dance it could pull in the title, > format, style and so on? Could you click on a Dance and be given a list of all > Events at which that Dance was part of the programme? I would have thought that > a database was necessary for that sort of linkage. > > Colin Hume > > Email colin-AT-colinhume.com Web site http://www.colinhume.com > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 05:57:06 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 08:55:31 -0400 From: Tom Vincent Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD in 50 words or less To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <01b301c33e3d$bab46ea0$6ec35244-AT-Hansea> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <20030627.190707.-1859159.17.AllisonThompson-AT-juno.com> I've also anecdotally noticed that Contra and ECD seem to attract males who are engineers, computer folk...mathematically inclined types. Attracted by the patterns, lack of competitive sports characteristics, stimulating conversation, etc. I haven't noticed a particular female dance population trend. Anyone else? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allison M Thompson" To: Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 12:51 PM Subject: Re: ECD in 50 words or less > Thanks for all the 50 wds or less contributions! I thought that there > were some very interesting insights out there on the marketing--both to > whom and how--of ECD. > > Here's my 50 word contribution; I'm afraid that while it's correct, it's > rather stilted. "Like contra, but different," may still be the snappiest > shorthand response. > > > Like contras, English country dances are interactive dances with repeated > figures for many couples who typically change partners after each dance. > Mentally challenging, characterized by gorgeous music, and with dances > composed from 1651 to yesterday, an evening of English dances has a wide > range of tempos, moods, styles, and formations. > > > Allison Thompson > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 08:25:55 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 10:21:56 -0500 From: Paul Stamler Subject: Re: ECD in 50 words or less To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <005801c33e52$2dedb7a0$2468550c-AT-paulstam> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <20030627.190707.-1859159.17.AllisonThompson-AT-juno.com> <01b301c33e3d$bab46ea0$6ec35244-AT-Hansea> <> Nurses, teachers and massage therapists. In fact, at one point someone wrote a contra called "Nurses and Nerds". Peace, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allison M Thompson" To: Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 12:51 PM Subject: Re: ECD in 50 words or less > Thanks for all the 50 wds or less contributions! I thought that there > were some very interesting insights out there on the marketing--both to > whom and how--of ECD. > > Here's my 50 word contribution; I'm afraid that while it's correct, it's > rather stilted. "Like contra, but different," may still be the snappiest > shorthand response. > > > Like contras, English country dances are interactive dances with repeated > figures for many couples who typically change partners after each dance. > Mentally challenging, characterized by gorgeous music, and with dances > composed from 1651 to yesterday, an evening of English dances has a wide > range of tempos, moods, styles, and formations. > > > Allison Thompson > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 12:14:49 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 14:14:39 -0500 (CDT) From: jsivier-AT-uiuc.edu (Jonathan Sivier) Subject: Re: ECD slower than contra? To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <200306291914.h5TJEdNe020472-AT-staff1.cso.uiuc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Campbell Kaynor writes: > > I am trying to figure out whether you play your contras faster or your ECD > slower than I, because OUR average ECD is faster than the contras, and you > said that yours is slower? > > I deliberately pick a tempo that is a bit faster because it encourages > dancers to be on the balls of their feet with their weight slightly forward > without me having to remind them frequently. Occasionally we do a dance at > a slower pace for atmosphere (e.g., Hunsdon House) and some of the "minuet" > tunes feel better at a slower pace (and this allows for the dancers who are > familiar with the early minuet footwork to incorporate it into the dance). > Once the dancers have become accustomed to the posture I advocate, these > slower exceptions can be incorporated without losing it. For contras, we > tend to spend considerable time with feet flat on the floor and a slower > pace will allow for this. I think of the contra pace as a "purposeful > walk." It's hard to say and we may be comparing apples to oranges. An informal survey shows that the speed of a typical contra dance around here (the midwest) is between 120 and 128 bpm, with squares and some contras going as high as 140 bpm. While there are some ECD which can be done comfortably at around 120 bpm I find them to be an exception rather than the rule and there are some dances which are considerably slower, so my guess is that the average tempo at our English dances is around 112 bpm. I would guess that the fastest of the majority of the English dances we do is around the tempo of the slowest of the contra dances in this area. There probably is some overlap with some contras being done at slower tempos than some of the English dances, but in general the tempos at a contra dance will be around 10% faster than the tempos at our English dances. As someone else pointed out ECD has a wider range of tempos as well. Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 12:43:41 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 14:43:31 -0500 (CDT) From: jsivier-AT-uiuc.edu (Jonathan Sivier) Subject: Re: ECD in 50 words or less To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <200306291943.h5TJhVZU024015-AT-staff1.cso.uiuc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Paul Stamler writes: > > < who > are engineers, computer folk...mathematically inclined types. Attracted by > the patterns, lack of competitive sports characteristics, stimulating > conversation, etc. I haven't noticed a particular female dance population > trend. Anyone else?>> > > Nurses, teachers and massage therapists. > > In fact, at one point someone wrote a contra called "Nurses and Nerds". I think there will often be clustering of people of similar professions due to the tendency of word-of-mouth being the most common way people find out about contra and ECD. There was a time when our contra group had around 6 librarians attending on a regular basis. I don't necessarily think this meant that contra dance was especially appealing to librarians. It was probably because one librarian found contra dance through one means or another, then brought other librarians that he or she knew. As someone else said correlation does not mean causation. However anecdotal evidence suggests that certain types of people are more likely to be interested in contra and ECD than others and that these people also tend to be drawn to similar professions, so it may very well be that some professions would make good places to recruit people who are likely to be interested in ECD. My personal feeling is that the engineering, computer, math types are a good possibility for recruiting new dancers. Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 17:31:41 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 17:33:34 -0700 From: "Ed St.Germain" Subject: photos & marketing To: ECD list Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <3EFF855D.170E7555-AT-EnglishCountryDancing.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Background - our local museum in Riverside, CA owns an old Victorian mansion. Not something to compare to the "cottages" of Newport, RI, but certainly not a working-class hovel. It's known simply as Heritage House, a focal point of local pride. Every year, on the Sunday before the 4th of July, they have an "Olde Fashioned Ice Cream Social" with free docent-guided tours of the house, free ice cream, free lemonade, and entertainment. One of the big draws has been the local chapter of the SAR (Sons of the American Revolution) who show up with fife and drums in tow, and march around, shoot muskets, make patriotic speeches, etc. This year, our ECD group was invited to share the spotlight with the SAR and put on an ECD demonstration, accompanied by our "house band", who now have a name - "The Ladyslippers." Two pages of photos are at: http://englishcountrydancing.org/heritage1.html The ECD photos are on the second page. Right now we're in the planning stages to appear as part of a colonial encampment to be set up at Sea World in San Diego on the second and third weekends in September. Tentatively, we'll dance for fifteen to twenty minutes every hour for eight or nine hours a day, both days of both weekends. Best regards, Ed ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 22:13:21 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 01:13:07 -0400 (EDT) From: CPChurchOffice-AT-aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: photos & marketing To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <67.141b1969.2c3120e3-AT-aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hello, Is anyone able to inform me of any opportunities for ECD in or near San Diego, CA between now and July 3? Margaret ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 05:33:10 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 05:33:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Vincent Subject: Re: photos & marketing To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <20030630123301.21412.qmail-AT-web12203.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hey, Margaret - San Diego English Country Dancers Ellen Riley, 14851 Derringer Rd, Poway, CA, 92064 (858) 486-9160; esriley1-AT-cox.net http://www.sdecd.org/ --- CPChurchOffice-AT-AOL.COM wrote: > Hello, > Is anyone able to inform me of any opportunities for > ECD in or near San > Diego, CA between now and July 3? > > Margaret ===== Tom Vincent May you work like you don't need the money, Love like you've never been hurt, And dance like no-one is watching. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 05:42:54 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 05:42:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Vincent Subject: Re: photos & marketing To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <20030630124246.10298.qmail-AT-web12201.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I've been there and seen it. Quite lovely and kudos to the civic leaders of Riverside for turning the downtown area into a real gem. Have you contacted Dragonmarsh, a Medieval store downtown? That might be a good place to put up a few flyers for ECD. --- "Ed St.Germain" wrote: > Background - our local museum in Riverside, CA owns > an old Victorian > mansion. Not something to compare to the "cottages" > of Newport, RI, but > certainly not a working-class hovel. It's known > simply as Heritage > House, a focal point of local pride. > > Every year, on the Sunday before the 4th of July, > they have an "Olde > Fashioned Ice Cream Social" with free docent-guided > tours of the house, > free ice cream, free lemonade, and entertainment. > > One of the big draws has been the local chapter of > the SAR (Sons of the > American Revolution) who show up with fife and drums > in tow, and march > around, shoot muskets, make patriotic speeches, etc. > > This year, our ECD group was invited to share the > spotlight with the SAR > and put on an ECD demonstration, accompanied by our > "house band", who > now have a name - "The Ladyslippers." > > Two pages of photos are at: > http://englishcountrydancing.org/heritage1.html > > The ECD photos are on the second page. > > Right now we're in the planning stages to appear as > part of a colonial > encampment to be set up at Sea World in San Diego on > the second and > third weekends in September. Tentatively, we'll > dance for fifteen to > twenty minutes every hour for eight or nine hours a > day, both days of > both weekends. > > Best regards, > Ed > ===== Tom Vincent May you work like you don't need the money, Love like you've never been hurt, And dance like no-one is watching. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 09:32:38 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 12:30:28 -0400 From: "Hanny D. Budnick" <74031.77-AT-compuserve.com> Reply-To: ECD-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Hunting for the elusive.... To: Blind.Copy.Receiver-AT-compuserve.com Message-ID: <200306301232_MC3-1-400A-5C07-AT-compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi all, recent mention of 78s (of which I still have HUNDREDS!) and reel to reel tape recorders lets me suggest that you have a look at ebay. No, I don't have a vested interest! But this morning I checked and there were more than 60 reel to reel recorders, C #s Morris dance books, any number of other folk dance books and recordings and - perhaps of special interest to Andy - two books with Swedish dance melodies. Happy hunting! _-AT-_ {)/' /\ /\_._,<_/ ' \ /_\ /> /< Hanny