Content-type: multipart/digest; boundary="Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ)" --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KT02PN5S5WEOMMH7-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sat, 01 Mar 2003 07:16:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HB200001T2TVF-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sat, 01 Mar 2003 07:16:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HB200M4UT2TZW-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sat, 01 Mar 2003 07:16:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 10:15:51 -0500 (EST) From: JBGrun-AT-aol.com Subject: Car Talk Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <1d8.4084810.2b9228a7-AT-aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Did anyone else catch "Betsy from Oak Bluffs" talking to the car guys on NPR this morning? When asked what she found to do on the Vineyard in the winter she mentioned she was on a sword team. As you can imagine, the brothers got quite a bit of mileage out of that (good-naturedly, of course.) Betsy, are you out there? Judy Grunberg --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KT03DWX9V0EOMMH7-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sat, 01 Mar 2003 07:35:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HB200101TZFFA-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sat, 01 Mar 2003 07:35:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HB200M6LTZFZW-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sat, 01 Mar 2003 07:35:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 10:35:23 -0500 (EST) From: Dfhart24-AT-aol.com Subject: Re: Car Talk Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <3f.18f3cf9b.2b922d3b-AT-aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_P1xpobOtGHAhCMIwsKmqjg)" X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU --Boundary_(ID_P1xpobOtGHAhCMIwsKmqjg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 3/1/2003 10:17:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, JBGrun-AT-aol.com writes: > Did anyone else catch "Betsy from Oak Bluffs" talking to the car guys on NPR > > this morning? When asked what she found to do on the Vineyard in the winter > > she mentioned she was on a sword team. As you can imagine, the brothers got > > quite a bit of mileage out of that (good-naturedly, of course.) Betsy, are > you out there? > > Judy Grunberg > The Vineyard (That's the island of Martha's Vineyard, off the southern coast of Massachusetts, USA) sword team is called "Swordfish." I expect I will see Betsy, whose last name escapes me, this summer while I'm there. She's often at many of the Vineyard dances and other gatherings where we play music and dance. Cheer, Deborah --Boundary_(ID_P1xpobOtGHAhCMIwsKmqjg) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 3/1/2003 10:17:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, JBGrun-AT-aol.com writes:

Did anyone else catch "Betsy from Oak Bluffs" talking to the car guys on NPR
this morning? When asked what she found to do on the Vineyard in the winter
she mentioned she was on a sword team. As you can imagine, the brothers got
quite a bit of mileage out of that (good-naturedly, of course.) Betsy, are
you out there?

Judy Grunberg


The Vineyard (That's the island of Martha's Vineyard, off the southern coast of Massachusetts, USA) sword team is called "Swordfish."  I expect I will see Betsy, whose last name escapes me, this summer while I'm there.  She's often at many of the Vineyard dances and other gatherings where we play music and dance.

Cheer,
Deborah --Boundary_(ID_P1xpobOtGHAhCMIwsKmqjg)-- --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KT06YGBNOCEOSZ2T-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sat, 01 Mar 2003 09:17:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HB200501YPJOF-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sat, 01 Mar 2003 09:17:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HB2002FNYPJ4C-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sat, 01 Mar 2003 09:17:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 12:15:13 -0500 From: Carl Friedman Subject: Re: Car Talk Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <5D2E6FFC-4C09-11D7-A734-000393C225F4-AT-alumni.williams.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_GkUtaNjTaoq7bJI48Sl0Bw)" X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU --Boundary_(ID_GkUtaNjTaoq7bJI48Sl0Bw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT On Saturday, March 1, 2003, at 10:35 AM, Dfhart24-AT-aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/1/2003 10:17:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, > JBGrun-AT-aol.com writes: > > Did anyone else catch "Betsy from Oak Bluffs" talking to the car guys > on NPR > this morning? When asked what she found to do on the Vineyard in the > winter > she mentioned she was on a sword team. As you can imagine, the > brothers got > quite a bit of mileage out of that (good-naturedly, of course.) Betsy, > are > you out there? > > Judy Grunberg > > > > The Vineyard (That's the island of Martha's Vineyard, off the southern > coast of Massachusetts, USA) sword team is called "Swordfish."  I > expect I will see Betsy, whose last name escapes me, this summer while > I'm there.  She's often at many of the Vineyard dances and other > gatherings where we play music and dance. > > Cheer, > Deborah I saw the Vineyard Swordfish at the Half Moon Sword Ale in NYC two weekends ago. They are an excellent traditional-style longsword team. While I know several members of the team, I don't recall a Betsy, but the CDSS membership list has a Betsy Smith in Oak Bluffs, Mass. Carl --Boundary_(ID_GkUtaNjTaoq7bJI48Sl0Bw) Content-type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT On Saturday, March 1, 2003, at 10:35 AM, Dfhart24-AT-aol.com wrote: ArialIn a message dated 3/1/2003 10:17:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, JBGrun-AT-aol.com writes: Did anyone else catch "Betsy from Oak Bluffs" talking to the car guys on NPR this morning? When asked what she found to do on the Vineyard in the winter she mentioned she was on a sword team. As you can imagine, the brothers got quite a bit of mileage out of that (good-naturedly, of course.) Betsy, are you out there? Judy Grunberg The Vineyard (That's the island of Martha's Vineyard, off the southern coast of Massachusetts, USA) sword team is called "Swordfish."  I expect I will see Betsy, whose last name escapes me, this summer while I'm there.  She's often at many of the Vineyard dances and other gatherings where we play music and dance. Cheer, Deborah I saw the Vineyard Swordfish at the Half Moon Sword Ale in NYC two weekends ago. They are an excellent traditional-style longsword team. While I know several members of the team, I don't recall a Betsy, but the CDSS membership list has a Betsy Smith in Oak Bluffs, Mass. Carl --Boundary_(ID_GkUtaNjTaoq7bJI48Sl0Bw)-- --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KT0IZNK0NKEOPTSB-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sat, 01 Mar 2003 15:02:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HB300M01ENTX7-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sat, 01 Mar 2003 15:02:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HB300HHPENT70-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sat, 01 Mar 2003 15:02:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 18:00:53 -0500 From: "Linda M. Nelson" Subject: Re: Car Talk Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <1d8.4084810.2b9228a7-AT-aol.com> X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU >Did anyone else catch "Betsy from Oak Bluffs" talking to the car guys on NPR >this morning? When asked what she found to do on the Vineyard in the winter >she mentioned she was on a sword team. As you can imagine, the brothers got >quite a bit of mileage out of that (good-naturedly, of course.) As a faithful (ie addicted) Car Talk fan, I heard Betsy this morning. In spite of the teasing (her sense of humor is at least as wacky as the car guys), she gave a good explanation of traditional English sword dancing. The Vineyard Swordfish are an excellent team, headed by Jan Elliott of Woods Hole. Yay for Betsy and the Vineyard Swordfish! Her call to the car advice program related to her Echo... that got my attention, as i purchased one as a dance gypsy car at about the same time as she bought hers. Hey, 48 miles per gallon is a tremendous advantage when one regularly insists on dancing more than 50 miles from home! It's a great little car, but mine was totalled within months of purchase when an out-of-control station wagon hit it at high speed on the highway as I returned from an out-of-town Ball... woohoo, what a ride... that featherweight little car was swatted like a badminton shuttlecock right across 5 lanes of traffic. I now drive a slightly heavier, older car and view my fellow drivers with cautious suspicion. But... back to relevant content... have any of you found the perfect dance gypsy car? Fuel efficient, reliable (gotta get there and back again), safe, enough space for Ball attire, shoes, swords, sticks, hanks, costumes, etc? Cheers - Linda --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KT0KYJKBRSEOPTSB-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sat, 01 Mar 2003 15:58:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HB300201H9SJL-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sat, 01 Mar 2003 15:58:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HB300M7XH9RNE-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sat, 01 Mar 2003 15:58:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 23:58:18 +0000 From: Alan Corkett Subject: Re: Car Talk Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <000601c2e04e$6fb1f640$8e4686d9-AT-default> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Linda wrote...Hey, 48 miles per gallon is a tremendous advantage when one regularly insists on dancing more than 50 miles from home! >48mpg...is this American gallons! I reckon on 55mpg in the UK, with UK gallons! Alan --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KT0M0RCCB4EOPTSB-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sat, 01 Mar 2003 16:28:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HB300301INTTA-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sat, 01 Mar 2003 16:28:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HB30016MINTO5-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sat, 01 Mar 2003 16:28:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 18:28:39 -0600 From: Paul Stamler Subject: Re: Car Talk Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <002501c2e052$ac678240$c86d550c-AT-paulstam> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <1d8.4084810.2b9228a7-AT-aol.com> X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU <> Pontiac Grand Am or its Chevy sister car (don't remember the name). Reasonably fuel efficient, fairly reliable as American cars go, very comfortable driving long distances. But the two biggies: availability of parts almost anywhere (which is my main reason for sticking with American cars) and a HUGE trunk -- more useful space than my late, beloved Oldsmobile. Peace, Paul --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KT0MUL9WCKEOPTSB-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sat, 01 Mar 2003 16:52:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HB300401JRWK1-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sat, 01 Mar 2003 16:52:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HB300LI3JRWYE-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sat, 01 Mar 2003 16:52:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 16:52:35 -0800 (PST) From: Andy Peterson Subject: Re: Car Talk Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <20030302005235.34752.qmail-AT-web20004.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU --- Alan Corkett wrote: > Linda wrote...Hey, 48 miles per gallon is a tremendous advantage > when one regularly insists on dancing more than 50 miles from home! > > >48mpg...is this American gallons! I reckon on 55mpg in the UK, > with UK gallons! Alan Last I checked, Cape Cod had not seceded, although I seem to remember talk at some point of them wanting to become seperate state from the rest of Massachusetts. Andy in Portland OR __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KT0N12EJZ4EOPTSB-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sat, 01 Mar 2003 16:57:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HB300401K0MPW-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sat, 01 Mar 2003 16:57:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HB300LIXK0LYE-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sat, 01 Mar 2003 16:57:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 19:57:34 -0500 (EST) From: Dfhart24-AT-aol.com Subject: Re: Car Talk Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <150.1c7039d7.2b92b0fe-AT-aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_H4H98lypCGZYOTlBGzFdCw)" X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU --Boundary_(ID_H4H98lypCGZYOTlBGzFdCw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 3/1/2003 7:29:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, pstamler-AT-pobox.com writes: > < dance gypsy car? Fuel efficient, reliable (gotta get there and back > again), safe, enough space for Ball attire, shoes, swords, sticks, > hanks, costumes, etc?>> > I still have two road-worthy Honda's -- an '82 Civic wagon (no longer made) and an '83 Accord, both of which still get in the vicinity of 35 mpg. We've recently retired one Toyota Camry wagon which got 300,000 miles and have run another to about that limit. It's about to be put out to pasture. We're on our third Camry wagon, '94, which now has about 120,000 miles, though the mpg is *only* in the mid to late 20s. My 16-year old daughter is terribly embarassed that her friends have "better" cars than I do. (That used to cut down on her asking me to drive her places where someone might see her.) Now that she is driving the 35 miles or so to and from school and *paying for her own gas*, she is driving the Honda Accord. :+) Cheer, Deborah --Boundary_(ID_H4H98lypCGZYOTlBGzFdCw) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 3/1/2003 7:29:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, pstamler-AT-pobox.com writes:

<<But... back to relevant content... have any of you found the perfect
dance gypsy car?  Fuel efficient, reliable (gotta get there and back
again), safe, enough space for Ball attire, shoes, swords, sticks,
hanks, costumes, etc?>>


I still have two road-worthy Honda's -- an  '82 Civic wagon (no longer made) and an '83 Accord, both of which still get in the vicinity of 35 mpg.  We've recently retired one Toyota Camry wagon which got 300,000 miles and have run another to about that limit. It's about to be put out to pasture.  We're on our third Camry wagon, '94, which now has about 120,000 miles, though the mpg is *only* in the mid to late 20s.

My 16-year old daughter is terribly embarassed that her friends have "better" cars than I do.  (That used to cut down on her asking me to drive her places where someone might see her.)    Now that she is driving the 35 miles or so to and from school and *paying for her own gas*, she is driving the Honda Accord.  :+)

Cheer,
Deborah --Boundary_(ID_H4H98lypCGZYOTlBGzFdCw)-- --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KT1I5TWQ34EOO1D7-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sun, 02 Mar 2003 07:49:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HB400C01P9QF2-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sun, 02 Mar 2003 07:49:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HB400A6FP9QJ4-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sun, 02 Mar 2003 07:49:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 10:48:45 -0500 (EST) From: DavBarnert-AT-aol.com Subject: Re: Duct tape Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <19c.115d2754.2b9381dd-AT-aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU FWIW there's already some dance relevance here. A teenage member of out Morris team made a duct tape dress a year or two ago for her prom. ______ /\/\/\/\ <______> | | | | | David Barnert <______> | | | | | <______> | | | | | Albany, N.Y. <______> \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KT1T3K80VQEON68A-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sun, 02 Mar 2003 13:02:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HB5003013SAPC-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sun, 02 Mar 2003 13:02:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HB5001B63S9I1-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sun, 02 Mar 2003 13:02:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 14:56:53 -0500 From: Gary Roodman Subject: New Book, A Finite Set of Calculated Figures Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030302121823.01e96130-AT-mail.earthlink.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_F1FtYnreNxdlzkgt0Tv+tQ)" X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU --Boundary_(ID_F1FtYnreNxdlzkgt0Tv+tQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hello Dancers, For those might be interested, I want to let you know that I have a new book of dances, A Finite Set of Calculated Figures. It includes "Turning By Threes" (music by Paul Machlis), "Horseplay" (music by T. Arbeau), and "Mary K" (music by Dave Wiesler), all of which I think someone is dancing somewhere. You may get more information about the book from my web site, http://home.earthlink.net/~groodman/index.htm, or from CDSS, http://www.cdss.org/sales/index.html, or, of course, by contacting me. I hope that some of you will feel a real NEED to have this book. Best regards, Gary ------------------------------------------------- NEW! 26 Grove Avenue Leeds, MA 01053 413-586-2888 There is a new book: A Finite Set of Calculated Figures (Volume 6) VISIT THE CALCULATED FIGURES WEB SITE: http://home.earthlink.net/~groodman/index.htm --Boundary_(ID_F1FtYnreNxdlzkgt0Tv+tQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hello Dancers,

        For those might be interested, I want to let you know that I have a new book of dances, A Finite Set of Calculated Figures.  It includes "Turning By Threes" (music by Paul Machlis), "Horseplay" (music by T. Arbeau), and "Mary K" (music by Dave Wiesler), all of which I think someone is dancing somewhere.  You may get more information about the book from my web site,

http://home.earthlink.net/~groodman/index.htm, or

from CDSS, http://www.cdss.org/sales/index.html, or, of course,

by contacting me.

        I hope that some of you will feel a real NEED to have this book.

Best regards,

Gary
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NEW!     26 Grove Avenue                     Leeds, MA 01053                              413-586-2888

              There is a new book:  A Finite Set of Calculated Figures  (Volume 6)
VISIT THE CALCULATED FIGURES WEB SITE:  http://home.earthlink.net/~groodman/index.htm --Boundary_(ID_F1FtYnreNxdlzkgt0Tv+tQ)-- --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KT1YXS1DXMEOINRJ-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sun, 02 Mar 2003 15:49:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HB500B01BIUJ6-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sun, 02 Mar 2003 15:49:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HB500A2IBITFX-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sun, 02 Mar 2003 15:49:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 15:49:26 -0800 From: Mary Devlin Subject: Ann Arbor dance in the news Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Check this out! While not strictly about English country dancing (actually, it's about the Ann Arbor contra dance) many of our ECD friends are mentioned. Very nice article. Enjoy. http://www.mlive.com/search/index.ssf?/base/news-3/1046603648208520.xml?aane ws Mary --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KT2DU2DPVAEORS29-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sun, 02 Mar 2003 22:56:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HB500801VABIW-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sun, 02 Mar 2003 22:56:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HB5005ARVABXZ-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sun, 02 Mar 2003 22:56:35 -0800 (PST) Resent-date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 22:56:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 19:38:43 -0800 (PST) Resent-from: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing From: sol weber Subject: carDUCTtalk Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Resent-to: ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: system-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Resent-message-id: <01KT2DTQ3ZQUEOOVTZ-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> Message-id: <01KT2DTQ3ZQUEOOVTZ-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU From: sol weber To: system-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Just closing the circle. Re this week's Car Talk postings, and last week's duct tape entries, I must mention the Car Talk musical cd that includes car related songs that have been featured on their show. Included is the delightful little Duct Tape Madrigal, my favorite selection. You can get info on the cd at the Car Talk web site. Sol "Roundman" Weber --- "So many rounds, so little time" 25-14 37 St, Astoria NY 11103, 718-278-4389 (after 11am) SINGERS & musicians, contact me for info on books, albums, & misc. fun items. solweber-AT-juno.com; http://roundz.tripod.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (MX V4.2 AXP) with SMTP; Sun, 02 Mar 2003 19:39:06 PST Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HB500M01M4DEC-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for system-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU; Sun, 02 Mar 2003 19:38:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from m07.lax.untd.com (m07.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.70]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HB500L4CM4DVH-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for system-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU; Sun, 02 Mar 2003 19:38:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"HkUFbn0ji/QuhAWkT5t1zqhRlONOb/sUeIqGSlGpmJtGsvkKL9gnsA=="> Received: (from solweber-AT-juno.com) by m07.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HSBNDVCX; Sun, 02 Mar 2003 19:38:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 22:33:13 -0500 Subject: carDUCTtalk Message-ID: <20030302.223338.-914433.1.solweber-AT-juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KT2T4XZGIWEOSE44-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 03 Mar 2003 06:14:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HB600701FK4GO-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 03 Mar 2003 06:14:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HB6001KNFK3BK-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 03 Mar 2003 06:14:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 09:14:16 -0500 From: Campbell Kaynor Subject: Re: carDUCTtalk Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Years ago, some friends of mine and I made a musical recording of various "fowl" sounds that we called our "Duck Tape." We used to drive around in my Sob (swedish car) with this thing blaring and making wise quacks about the Eggsample we were setting. Cammy --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KT2TCYI2V0EOSE44-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 03 Mar 2003 06:20:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HB600701FUWVZ-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 03 Mar 2003 06:20:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HB60071VFUVIU-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 03 Mar 2003 06:20:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 09:20:18 -0500 (EST) From: Dfhart24-AT-aol.com Subject: Re: carDUCTtalk Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <1d8.4346069.2b94bea2-AT-aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_GghyqOMGvT4FWmic6bSabw)" X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU --Boundary_(ID_GghyqOMGvT4FWmic6bSabw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 3/3/2003 9:15:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, Campbell_Kaynor-AT-biogen.com writes: > Years ago, some friends of mine and I made a musical recording of various > "fowl" sounds that we called our "Duck Tape." We used to drive around in my > Sob (swedish car) with this thing blaring and making wise quacks about the > Eggsample we were setting. > Cammy > You *Reely* Crack me up, Cammie, Cheer, Deborah --Boundary_(ID_GghyqOMGvT4FWmic6bSabw) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 3/3/2003 9:15:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, Campbell_Kaynor-AT-biogen.com writes:

Years ago, some friends of mine and I made a musical recording of various
"fowl" sounds that we called our "Duck Tape." We used to drive around in my
Sob (swedish car) with this thing blaring and making wise quacks about the
Eggsample we were setting.
Cammy


You *Reely* Crack me up, Cammie,

Cheer,
Deborah --Boundary_(ID_GghyqOMGvT4FWmic6bSabw)-- --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KT2TUHIMJCEOSE44-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 03 Mar 2003 06:35:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HB600901GIG2K-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 03 Mar 2003 06:35:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HB6001OLGIFBK-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 03 Mar 2003 06:35:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 09:34:51 -0500 (EST) From: Englshdnc-AT-cs.com Subject: Re: carDUCTtalk Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Cc: bhuppert-AT-juno.com Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_yuwmGmDInI6g2Wr91oy2BQ)" X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU --Boundary_(ID_yuwmGmDInI6g2Wr91oy2BQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi: Thanks for the opportunity to gain some strenght & sleep to continue our journey. The Scottish brunch and dance were very nice and well done. The cajun was terrific at Hungarian Hse in NYC. Maybe next time will afford greater relaxation opportunities. Al --Boundary_(ID_yuwmGmDInI6g2Wr91oy2BQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi:
Thanks for the opportunity to gain some strenght & sleep to continue our journey.  The Scottish brunch and dance were very nice and well done.  The cajun was terrific at Hungarian Hse in NYC.  Maybe next time will afford greater relaxation opportunities.
Al --Boundary_(ID_yuwmGmDInI6g2Wr91oy2BQ)-- --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KT2Z02ABM2EOTRL9-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 03 Mar 2003 09:02:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HB600L01NBWC5-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 03 Mar 2003 09:02:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HB600K2JNBVO8-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 03 Mar 2003 09:02:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 17:02:08 +0000 (GMT) From: Jen Wood Subject: nymphs and hunks Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Having come back from IVFDF last night (and thoroughly enjoyed the weekend), I was wondering this morning about something - I think it's on topic for this list, although it's about english ceilidh dancing in britain, not 'proper' ECD in America - although I don't think there are many IVFDF-goers here to help me... Anyway, two years ago at IVFDF in Cambridge, there was a workshop called 'nymphs and hunks', about dance style. The description was: Nymphs and Hunks: Hugh Stewart Many years ago when Hugh was a young and handsome hunk he would go to IVFDF and dance with all those gorgeous nymphs. He was irritated to find that half of them couldn't dance properly, but their gorgeous charms compensated for that and he had a good time. As he grows old and crotchety he finds the waning charms compensate less and less. IVFDF should have a workshop on dance style in general, not dances in particular he said. Right, we said... I didn't go to the workshop at the time, partly because I wanted to go to something else, and partly because I was still not very confident about my dancing at the time, and didn't *want* picked to pieces. And reading the description now, I feel that defining 'dancing properly' is difficult or dangerous at the best of times, and even worse at somewhere like IVFDF where you have at least one major style clash (english/scottish, and maybe country/morris - i know less about that one), and various minor ones. Anyway, after all that rambling, the question (for anyone who's been to IVFDF) is: What *is* so bad about the dancing, that a workshop on style was needed? It didn't seem so bad to me this weekend - just confusing (as always) because I'm never sure which style to expect from the next person I meet. Is it a general problem with dancing, or a specific one with IVFDF? And, if anyone can remember that far back, what did the workshop teach? Jen --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KT2ZRZ1FM2EOTRL9-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 03 Mar 2003 09:24:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HB600001ODDS2-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 03 Mar 2003 09:24:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HB600KEEODDB1-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 03 Mar 2003 09:24:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 17:24:23 +0000 From: Hugh Stewart Subject: Re: nymphs and hunks Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <3E638FC7.D84D7EC4-AT-ugs.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Jen Wood wrote: > Having come back from IVFDF last night (and thoroughly enjoyed the > weekend), I was wondering this morning about something - I think it's > on topic for this list, although it's about english ceilidh dancing in > britain, not 'proper' ECD in America - although I don't think there are > many IVFDF-goers here to help me... > > Anyway, two years ago at IVFDF in Cambridge, there was a workshop called > 'nymphs and hunks', about dance style. The description was: > > Nymphs and Hunks: Hugh Stewart > Many years ago when Hugh was a young and handsome hunk he would go to > IVFDF and dance with all those gorgeous nymphs. He was irritated to find > that half of them couldn't dance properly, but their gorgeous charms > compensated for that and he had a good time. As he grows old and crotchety > he finds the waning charms compensate less and less. IVFDF should have a > workshop on dance style in general, not dances in particular he > said. Right, we said... > > I didn't go to the workshop at the time, partly because I wanted to go to > something else, and partly because I was still not very confident about my > dancing at the time, and didn't *want* picked to pieces. > And reading the description now, I feel that defining 'dancing properly' > is difficult or dangerous at the best of times, and even worse at > somewhere like IVFDF where you have at least one major style clash > (english/scottish, and maybe country/morris - i know less about that one), > and various minor ones. > > Anyway, after all that rambling, the question (for anyone who's been to > IVFDF) is: What *is* so bad about the dancing, that a workshop on style > was needed? It didn't seem so bad to me this weekend - just confusing (as > always) because I'm never sure which style to expect from the next person > I meet. Is it a general problem with dancing, or a specific one with > IVFDF? And, if anyone can remember that far back, what did the workshop > teach? > > Jen Oh dear, I suppose that's my cue... My main complaint was people who can't swing, but I remember feeling crochety about people who go in to the middle and back two beats out of phase with the music. I think maybe I was being crochety and things are getting better than I remember them. I think we can distinguish good and bad dancing from issues of style -- I don't mind what hold someone wants in a swing, but I do want their feet to move in time with the music (well, to be precise I want their feet to move in time with mine, we'll argue about the quality of my dancing later) I can't remember exactly what I did at said workshop (and to some extent the fact that a festival put something in the programme to say "we care about the quality of your dancing" was the important bit) but basically I went through dances that involved swings, polkas, step-hops or whatever with a preliminary "you can do a step-hop dance to a saunter, step hop or 1,2,3-hop" explanation as appropriate. I certainly didn't intend to pick anyone to pieces, and am fairly sure I wouldn't have picked on anyone in particular -- as you felt at the time it could have been unkind. Hugh Stewart --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KT304FMSI4EOTRL9-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 03 Mar 2003 09:34:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HB600101OSUUX-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 03 Mar 2003 09:34:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HB600KCDOSTYH-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 03 Mar 2003 09:34:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 12:33:34 -0500 From: Deb Karl Subject: Re: IVFDF?? was: nymphs and hunks Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <3E6391EE.1A427BB0-AT-wi.mit.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU um, excuse my ignorance, but would someone please translate "IVFDF", & tell us a little about it? I guess that "FDF" is "Folk Dance Festival", but can't figure out the rest of it. What all is on the weekend's programme? thanks, Deb, who doesn't fall into either category Jen Wood wrote: > > Having come back from IVFDF last night (and thoroughly enjoyed the > weekend), e --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KT30WHJP86EOTRL9-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 03 Mar 2003 09:56:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HB600501PUI1N-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 03 Mar 2003 09:56:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HB6001DFPUHEG-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 03 Mar 2003 09:56:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 17:56:37 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael Barraclough Subject: Re: IVFDF?? was: nymphs and hunks Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <200303031756.RAA17612-AT-galahad.tgis.co.uk> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU IVFDF = Inter Varsity Folk Dance Festival. It is the longest running folk festival in the UK, this year was the 53rd such event. It was originally for students and was held on one day. It is now a 3-day event which is open to students and th3e young at heart. Michael Barraclough (Joint organiser of the 1975 London IVFDF) http://www.mab.tgis.co.uk Monday, March 03, 2003 at 12:33:34 PM, ECD-AT-ssrl04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU wrote: > um, excuse my ignorance, but would someone please translate "IVFDF", & > tell us a little about it? I guess that "FDF" is "Folk Dance Festival", > but can't figure out the rest of it. > > What all is on the weekend's programme? > > thanks, > Deb, who doesn't fall into either category > > > Jen Wood wrote: > > > > Having come back from IVFDF last night (and thoroughly enjoyed the > > weekend), e > > -- --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KT30XYNQFCEOTRL9-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 03 Mar 2003 09:57:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HB600501PWI8T-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 03 Mar 2003 09:57:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HB6001E9PWIEG-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 03 Mar 2003 09:57:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 12:57:48 -0500 (EST) From: Terence Gaffney Subject: Calculated Figures and an evening to dance them in the Boston area Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Dear Friends, Gary's last message encourages me to make an announcement. Gary will be leading an evening dance devoted to his dances at the Concord Scout House on Saturday March 29. Musicians will be Ken Allen, Doug Creighton, and Vince O'Donnell. The dance starts at 7:30, ticket prices are $10 for CDS members, and $12 for non-members. Gary writes on his website " After dancers have learned one of my dances, I would like the flow of the dance to seem as inevitable as the flow of the music, with little need to concentrate on what comes next. " We've been doing ball prep for the last month here in Boston, and those lines are a good description of both of Gary's dances on the Ball program--"Mary K" and "Terpsicourante". "Terpsicourante" for example is a four couple set dance with three blocks, the last block is a serpentine progression. Often in a dance with a 3 block structure and a distinctive last figure, the middle block gets lost. In "Terpsicourante" each figure in the middle block follows inevitably once you realize that you are gearing up for the serpentine. So, once the logic of the dance clicks, it's easy to do--last wednesday in Boston we had a room full of people doing it with no walkthrough, only a talk through, and every set got it. As for "Mary K" it's a great dance--I only hope everybody has a chance to do it soon. Best, Terry --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KT3A6G8SO0EOOK7I-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 03 Mar 2003 14:22:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HB700D0124QJS-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 03 Mar 2003 14:22:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HB700D2324Q5A-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 03 Mar 2003 14:22:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 14:20:06 -0800 From: "Klein, Anita" Subject: Easter Thursday Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ntoR+ipDfOvS2agYzgBr0g)" X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --Boundary_(ID_ntoR+ipDfOvS2agYzgBr0g) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I remember dancing 'Easter Thursday' in Palo Alto long ago where the B part of the dance included setting backward, forward, right and then left, tracing a little cross. (Very appropriate for Easter.) The version of Easter Thursday we are doing for the BACDS Playford Ball has a set right and left but not backward and forward. I prefer the little cross figure because it fits so well with the title of the dance. Which variation do you all usually do/teach? Anyone know the history of this dance? Anita Klein --Boundary_(ID_ntoR+ipDfOvS2agYzgBr0g) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Easter Thursday

I remember dancing 'Easter Thursday' in Palo Alto long ago where the B part of the dance included setting backward, forward, right and then left, tracing a little cross.  (Very appropriate for Easter.)  The version of Easter Thursday we are doing for the BACDS Playford Ball has a set right and left but not backward and forward.  I prefer the little cross figure because it fits so well with the title of the dance.   Which variation do you all usually do/teach?  Anyone know the history of this dance? 

Anita Klein

--Boundary_(ID_ntoR+ipDfOvS2agYzgBr0g)-- --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KT3HA5Y34CEONJ7Z-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 03 Mar 2003 17:45:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HB700A01BKGMQ-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 03 Mar 2003 17:45:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HB700896BKGUO-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 03 Mar 2003 17:45:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 17:45:47 -0800 From: Chris Sackett & Brooke Friendly Subject: Re: Easter Thursday Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <3E64054B.3BA030B6-AT-opendoor.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU We do Carl Wittman's interpretation of the original dance (in the original, the handing on the turns is not specified which many consider to mean they were two hand turns; Carl found a complete right hand turn followed by a left hand turn in A2 to be 'particularly satisfactory') A Neighbors dance back to back (3 bars); partners dance back to back (3 bars) A Neighbors R-hand turn (3 bars); partners L-hand turn (3 bars) B All set to diagonal* (2 bars), turn single R and clap** (2 bars) into circle 4-hands once round (2 bars) B Ones cross down between twos & cast up (2 bars), cross over passing R-shoulder & dance down outside while twos dance up (2 bars), 2-hand turn once round (2 bars) * to right and left facing center of foursome ** clap comes at beginning of bar 4; it is a gentle punctuation clap According to my notes from Carl, identical versions of both figure and text appeared in Walsh (1735), Young (1737) and Johnson (c. 1740s) as follows: The 1st Cu. Back to Back with the 2d Cu and then with their Partners. The 1st Cu. turn the 2d Cu. then turn their own. meet all four and set, then turn S. and clap hands, all four going quite round. Then the 1st Cu. go the figure through the 2d Cu. and cross over and turn their own partners In 1977 an interpretation by Bernard Bentley was published in the Fallibroome Collection 5 in which the clap and circle (all four going quite round) were omitted and 'all balance and forward to meet' was how B1 started (then set, turn single). This must be the 'cross figure' you mention. I've done the Bentley version before and personally found the balance forward and back, then set to feel fussy, particularly when compared to the set, turn single which flows into a circle round which helps drive one into the faster pace (compared to the A part) of the B2. Brooke Ashland OR USA "Klein, Anita" wrote: > > > I remember dancing 'Easter Thursday' in Palo Alto long ago where the B > part of the dance included setting backward, forward, right and then > left, tracing a little cross. (Very appropriate for Easter.) The > version of Easter Thursday we are doing for the BACDS Playford Ball > has a set right and left but not backward and forward. I prefer the > little cross figure because it fits so well with the title of the > dance. Which variation do you all usually do/teach? Anyone know the > history of this dance? > > Anita Klein --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KT3HLVXN08EONJ7Z-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 03 Mar 2003 17:55:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HB700B01C07FS-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 03 Mar 2003 17:55:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HB7008GMC07FO-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 03 Mar 2003 17:55:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 20:55:11 -0500 (EST) From: Terence Gaffney Subject: Re: Easter Thursday Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU In Boston we use the balance back then forward then right and left figure. When I first started doing ECD I was blown awy by how powerful those simple moves were. I tried the variation Brook mentioned and didn't like it as much, which just shows the same set of figures can produce different effects. Best, Terry --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KT4NJKP7LKEOVW7Q-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 04 Mar 2003 13:56:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HB800J01VLFL0-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 04 Mar 2003 13:56:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HB800J0CVLEJO-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 04 Mar 2003 13:56:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 13:52:18 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Questions about Bray and "A Concealed Health" Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <01KT4NJBO0FKEOT73W-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ECders -- I received the following queries from a librarian in Roseburg, OR. =============================================================================== Hello - We found your name through your article on English Country Dancing posted on the Stanford website. We have a patron who has several questions about a particular dance by Thomas Bray called "A Concealed Health," and hope you might be able to provide some historical details: Was there a play with this title, and if so, what does it mean? If not, did the dance appear in another play of the period? Is the Thomas Bray who wrote for the theatre the same as the clergyman who was sent to Maryland to organize the Anglican Church in 1699? We've been unable to find any mention of involvement with theatre or dance in our research on the clergyman. =============================================================================== Does anybody have Christine Helwig's Bray book to hand? This may answer the questions about "Concealed Health." My impression is: Bray's works were all intended as theatrical afterpieces, so the dance would have appeared or been intended to appear in _some_ play. Bray's book was published in 1699; that seems a very unlikely credential for a clergyman. Anyway, please post to the list and I'll summarize responses. I may be able to lay hands on my copy of the book when I get home. -- Alan =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KT4NJKP7LKEOVW7Q-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 04 Mar 2003 13:56:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HB800J01VLFL0-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 04 Mar 2003 13:56:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HB800J0CVLEJO-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 04 Mar 2003 13:56:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 13:52:18 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Questions about Bray and "A Concealed Health" Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <01KT4NJBO0FKEOT73W-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ECders -- I received the following queries from a librarian in Roseburg, OR. =============================================================================== Hello - We found your name through your article on English Country Dancing posted on the Stanford website. We have a patron who has several questions about a particular dance by Thomas Bray called "A Concealed Health," and hope you might be able to provide some historical details: Was there a play with this title, and if so, what does it mean? If not, did the dance appear in another play of the period? Is the Thomas Bray who wrote for the theatre the same as the clergyman who was sent to Maryland to organize the Anglican Church in 1699? We've been unable to find any mention of involvement with theatre or dance in our research on the clergyman. =============================================================================== Does anybody have Christine Helwig's Bray book to hand? This may answer the questions about "Concealed Health." My impression is: Bray's works were all intended as theatrical afterpieces, so the dance would have appeared or been intended to appear in _some_ play. Bray's book was published in 1699; that seems a very unlikely credential for a clergyman. Anyway, please post to the list and I'll summarize responses. I may be able to lay hands on my copy of the book when I get home. -- Alan =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KT4O7KAAREEOPB5V-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 04 Mar 2003 14:14:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HB800L01WGCX0-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 04 Mar 2003 14:14:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HB800L08WGCV1-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 04 Mar 2003 14:14:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 17:14:13 -0500 (EST) From: CPChurchOffice-AT-aol.com Subject: Re: Questions about Bray and "A Concealed Health" Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <103.28ac92f1.2b967f35-AT-aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU My understanding is that the Puritans and other religious early colonists were only against "lewd" dancing. I recommend reading "Worldly Saints" by Leland Ryken for learning more about the revelry of the Puritans. Margaret Talbot Administrative Assistant Christ Presbyterian Church 410 398-3192 Mailing address: 14 Woodbine Circle Elkton, MD 21921 Please visit our website: www.christpresbyterianchurch.com This site includes our calendar and gives details on programs and events such as our Valentines Day Ball, our Van Til Conference March 20-22, 2003 and other events WEEKLY SERVICE SCHEDULE Sunday Afternoon Pre Worship Prayer 2:15 - 2:45 PM Lord’s Day Worship 3:00 - 4:45 PM Fellowship 4:45 - 5:05 PM Announcements 5:05 - 5:15 PM Sunday School 5:15 - 6:00 PM Wednesday Evening Prayer and Singing 7:00 - 8:00 PM Meeting in the rented sanctuary of Elkton Presbyterian Church 209 East Main Street, Elkton, Maryland --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KT4O7KAAREEOPB5V-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 04 Mar 2003 14:14:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HB800L01WGCX0-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 04 Mar 2003 14:14:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HB800L08WGCV1-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 04 Mar 2003 14:14:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 17:14:13 -0500 (EST) From: CPChurchOffice-AT-aol.com Subject: Re: Questions about Bray and "A Concealed Health" Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <103.28ac92f1.2b967f35-AT-aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU My understanding is that the Puritans and other religious early colonists were only against "lewd" dancing. I recommend reading "Worldly Saints" by Leland Ryken for learning more about the revelry of the Puritans. Margaret Talbot Administrative Assistant Christ Presbyterian Church 410 398-3192 Mailing address: 14 Woodbine Circle Elkton, MD 21921 Please visit our website: www.christpresbyterianchurch.com This site includes our calendar and gives details on programs and events such as our Valentines Day Ball, our Van Til Conference March 20-22, 2003 and other events WEEKLY SERVICE SCHEDULE Sunday Afternoon Pre Worship Prayer 2:15 - 2:45 PM Lord’s Day Worship 3:00 - 4:45 PM Fellowship 4:45 - 5:05 PM Announcements 5:05 - 5:15 PM Sunday School 5:15 - 6:00 PM Wednesday Evening Prayer and Singing 7:00 - 8:00 PM Meeting in the rented sanctuary of Elkton Presbyterian Church 209 East Main Street, Elkton, Maryland --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KT4O9NTTI0EOVW7Q-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 04 Mar 2003 14:16:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HB800M01WJ64N-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 04 Mar 2003 14:16:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HB800JA4WJ5CI-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 04 Mar 2003 14:16:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 14:16:10 -0800 (PST) From: Graham Christian Subject: Re: Questions about Bray and "A Concealed Health" Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <20030304221610.87672.qmail-AT-web20602.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU I am not *uniquely* qualified to answer this question, but since my email address certainly signifies that I'm a Brayhead, I'm willing to give it a go. A "conceal'd health" is a secret and divergent toast. Everyone else toasts the Queen; you think secretly of your true love and murmur, "To *you*, Mistress Pneumonia Snodgrass, wherever you may be," and drink with, but also not with, the others. Christine and Kitty's research could not establish any link with a play or a play of that title. They know about the clergyman and think the connection very unlikely, and in fact I think his birthdate is "wrong" for our Th. Bray. Our Bray--if I remember correctly--is noted as a dancer in the later 1670s, then turns up in the employ of Drury Lane in the late 1680s and 1690s--and not very often, at that. There is no mention of him after his publication of 1699. I personally think--but keep in mind that I am speculating wildly now--he died that year or soon thereafter, since we hear no more of him--nothing from the theatrical records, no more collections, nothing. We tell ourselves over and over that Bray's dances were intended for and used by the theater--but even that is speculation. Bray proudly *lists* (not reproduces) dances he wrote for professionals at the back of his Country Dances--so he makes a distinction between dances for the pros and the Country Dances. It's certainly a good guess that some or all of his country dances may have been used as entr'actes or closers--but it's still a guess. None of them says, as does "Trip to the Jubilee," "As 'Tis Danced at the Play-House." And *how* were they done? 4 couples? 3 couples? 2 couples twice-through? We don't really know. The "tongue" of the apron-stage where we think they danced was not large in any case; I don't know if it would have taken as many as 4 couples. I'm dying to know who's asking in Roseburg, OR. --- Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote: > ECders -- > > I received the following queries from a librarian in > Roseburg, OR. > > =============================================================================== > Hello - We found your name through your article on > English > Country Dancing posted on the Stanford website. > > We have a patron who has several questions about a > particular dance by > Thomas Bray called "A Concealed Health," and hope > you might be able to > provide some historical details: > > Was there a play with this title, and if so, what > does it mean? If not, > > did the dance appear in another play of the period? > > Is the Thomas Bray who wrote for the theatre the > same as the clergyman > who was sent to Maryland to organize the Anglican > Church in 1699? We've > > been unable to find any mention of involvement with > theatre or dance in > our research on the clergyman. > =============================================================================== > > Does anybody have Christine Helwig's Bray book to > hand? This may answer the > questions about "Concealed Health." > > My impression is: Bray's works were all intended as > theatrical afterpieces, so > the dance would have appeared or been intended to > appear in _some_ play. > > Bray's book was published in 1699; that seems a very > unlikely credential for a > clergyman. > > Anyway, please post to the list and I'll summarize > responses. I may be able to > lay hands on my copy of the book when I get home. > > -- Alan > > > =============================================================================== > Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU > Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or > SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 > Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill > Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 > =============================================================================== > ===== Graham Christian "Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow." __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KT4O9NTTI0EOVW7Q-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 04 Mar 2003 14:16:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HB800M01WJ64N-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 04 Mar 2003 14:16:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HB800JA4WJ5CI-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 04 Mar 2003 14:16:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 14:16:10 -0800 (PST) From: Graham Christian Subject: Re: Questions about Bray and "A Concealed Health" Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <20030304221610.87672.qmail-AT-web20602.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU I am not *uniquely* qualified to answer this question, but since my email address certainly signifies that I'm a Brayhead, I'm willing to give it a go. A "conceal'd health" is a secret and divergent toast. Everyone else toasts the Queen; you think secretly of your true love and murmur, "To *you*, Mistress Pneumonia Snodgrass, wherever you may be," and drink with, but also not with, the others. Christine and Kitty's research could not establish any link with a play or a play of that title. They know about the clergyman and think the connection very unlikely, and in fact I think his birthdate is "wrong" for our Th. Bray. Our Bray--if I remember correctly--is noted as a dancer in the later 1670s, then turns up in the employ of Drury Lane in the late 1680s and 1690s--and not very often, at that. There is no mention of him after his publication of 1699. I personally think--but keep in mind that I am speculating wildly now--he died that year or soon thereafter, since we hear no more of him--nothing from the theatrical records, no more collections, nothing. We tell ourselves over and over that Bray's dances were intended for and used by the theater--but even that is speculation. Bray proudly *lists* (not reproduces) dances he wrote for professionals at the back of his Country Dances--so he makes a distinction between dances for the pros and the Country Dances. It's certainly a good guess that some or all of his country dances may have been used as entr'actes or closers--but it's still a guess. None of them says, as does "Trip to the Jubilee," "As 'Tis Danced at the Play-House." And *how* were they done? 4 couples? 3 couples? 2 couples twice-through? We don't really know. The "tongue" of the apron-stage where we think they danced was not large in any case; I don't know if it would have taken as many as 4 couples. I'm dying to know who's asking in Roseburg, OR. --- Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote: > ECders -- > > I received the following queries from a librarian in > Roseburg, OR. > > =============================================================================== > Hello - We found your name through your article on > English > Country Dancing posted on the Stanford website. > > We have a patron who has several questions about a > particular dance by > Thomas Bray called "A Concealed Health," and hope > you might be able to > provide some historical details: > > Was there a play with this title, and if so, what > does it mean? If not, > > did the dance appear in another play of the period? > > Is the Thomas Bray who wrote for the theatre the > same as the clergyman > who was sent to Maryland to organize the Anglican > Church in 1699? We've > > been unable to find any mention of involvement with > theatre or dance in > our research on the clergyman. > =============================================================================== > > Does anybody have Christine Helwig's Bray book to > hand? This may answer the > questions about "Concealed Health." > > My impression is: Bray's works were all intended as > theatrical afterpieces, so > the dance would have appeared or been intended to > appear in _some_ play. > > Bray's book was published in 1699; that seems a very > unlikely credential for a > clergyman. > > Anyway, please post to the list and I'll summarize > responses. I may be able to > lay hands on my copy of the book when I get home. > > -- Alan > > > =============================================================================== > Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU > Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or > SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 > Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill > Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 > =============================================================================== > ===== Graham Christian "Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow." __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KT4OFIV6KOEOPB5V-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 04 Mar 2003 14:21:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HB800M01WR1YE-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 04 Mar 2003 14:21:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HB800JENWR1VU-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 04 Mar 2003 14:21:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 14:17:38 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: Questions about Bray and "A Concealed Health" Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <01KT4OFB1XIWEOT73W-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Margaret Talbot wrote: > My understanding is that the Puritans and other religious early colonists > were only against "lewd" dancing. I recommend reading "Worldly Saints" by > Leland Ryken for learning more about the revelry of the Puritans. I think this is your first posting on the ECD list. Welcome! Haven't read "Worldly Saints" but enjoyed a book called "Puritans at Play" about the recreations of the Puritans in the American colonies; this agreed that dancing and music were generally accepted. But I still don't think a clergyman of any stripe - and the Anglicans weren't particularly Puritan - would have benefited, in 1699, from a known association with theatrical people. -- Alan =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KT4XE21S82EOUT4L-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 04 Mar 2003 18:37:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HB9002018N8S8-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 04 Mar 2003 18:37:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HB900INL8N7C9-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 04 Mar 2003 18:37:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 18:35:51 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Wrapping up "A Concealed Health" Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <01KT4XDTPLDAEO5JZD-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ECDers -- Here's the response to my summary of Bray answers (which was, basically, Graham's note, since it seemed to cover the territory pretty well). Perhaps Chris and Brooke can say hi to Max and his wife from the ECD list. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Library Adult Services Subject: Re: Thomas Bray To: winston-AT-SLAC.Stanford.EDU Alan - Thank you so much for your very prompt and informative reply, including the forwarded message from Graham Christian. I had found reference to the Helwig book but don't have ready access to it. In response to Mr. Christian's curiosity, please let him know that the inquirer is the director of our library system, Max Leek, who along with his wife, is an avid country dancer. There is a Spring Ball in Ashland, OR (site of the Oregon Shakespeare Festival, among other cultural activities) at which participants will be dancing "A Concealed Health." I'm forwarding both your message and Mr. Christian's to Max, along with another very interesting reply from pianist Jacqueline Schwab. Country Dance folk are certainly most kind and sharing! With great appreciation, Deborah Reference Desk, Adult Services Douglas County Library System 1409 NE Diamond Lake Blvd. Roseburg, OR 97470 (541) 440-4305 libadult-AT-co.douglas.or.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I didn't get a copy of Jacqueline's reply. -- Alan =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KT5CZJZVPWEOSS9D-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Wed, 05 Mar 2003 02:04:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HB900B01TBAFO-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Wed, 05 Mar 2003 02:04:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HB9004HWTB99P-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Wed, 05 Mar 2003 02:04:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 02:04:10 -0800 From: Howard Carlberg Subject: Re: Car Talk Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <3E65CB8C.3540B66B-AT-ix.netcom.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <00A1C411.D0A775E0.1-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu> X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU "Linda M. Nelson" wrote "But... back to relevant content... have any of you found the perfect dance gypsy car? Fuel efficient, reliable (gotta get there and back again), safe, enough space for Ball attire, shoes, swords, sticks, hanks, costumes, etc?" I've been pretty happy with our Geo Metro/ Chevy Metro, no trouble and hardly no maintenance. We just replaced it with a Suzuki Swift, identical car, different name. I was skeptical of the 3 cylinder 1 liter motor at first, but the thing hums down the road at any speed I want, at 47 mpg. It seems well balanced, airbags and sidebars, I feel safer in it than in my van. Howard -- --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KT65EX4FIKEOQDYY-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Wed, 05 Mar 2003 15:38:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBA00G01V05IJ-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Wed, 05 Mar 2003 15:38:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBA00AKFV05BC-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Wed, 05 Mar 2003 15:38:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 23:38:19 +0000 From: Paul Ross Subject: Re: Easter Thursday Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Bcc: Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU I believe Carl's version is the same as what Christine Helwig used to teach in the NY area, but that interpretation has receded in favor of the following: A1 3 Neighbors back to back 3 P back to back A2 3 Neighbors 2 h turn 3 P 2 h turn B1 2 All bal back (3 counts), then bal fwd (3 counts) 2 All S right and left (6 counts. triple time setting) 2 All turn single R (6) B2 4 1C 1/2 fig 8 through 2C below, cross over in 1 place, and dance down to 2 place (2s moving up) 2 All turn P 2 h 1x When we teach the 2 h turns in A2, we remind dancers to not rush them (it's so easy to do so) and to transition to the second 2 h turn with what Fried Herman calls a "slow release." That is, neighbors turn 2 h 1x, at the end of which they hold near hands and reach with their free hand toward P, forming for a mere instant what appears to be a hands-4. This briefly defined hands-4 smoothly melds into a 2 h turn with P. The effect is quite lovely. The 1/2 figure for the 1s is done with a light skipping step, necessary to get around in time to not rush the 6-count 2 h turn with P at the end and also to add texture to the dance. Note that the movements in the A music cross the musical phrase, which makes some members of the list rather cross but which I rather like. >From: Chris Sackett & Brooke Friendly >Reply-To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU >To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU >Subject: Re: Easter Thursday >Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 17:45:47 -0800 > >We do Carl Wittman's interpretation of the original dance (in the >original, the handing on the turns is not specified which many consider >to mean they were two hand turns; Carl found a complete right hand turn >followed by a left hand turn in A2 to be 'particularly satisfactory') > >A Neighbors dance back to back (3 bars); partners dance back to back >(3 bars) > >A Neighbors R-hand turn (3 bars); partners L-hand turn (3 bars) > >B All set to diagonal* (2 bars), turn single R and clap** (2 bars) >into circle 4-hands once > round (2 bars) > >B Ones cross down between twos & cast up (2 bars), cross over >passing R-shoulder & > dance down outside while twos dance up (2 bars), 2-hand turn >once round (2 bars) > >* to right and left facing center of foursome >** clap comes at beginning of bar 4; it is a gentle punctuation clap > >According to my notes from Carl, identical versions of both figure and >text appeared in Walsh (1735), Young (1737) and Johnson (c. 1740s) as >follows: >The 1st Cu. Back to Back with the 2d Cu and then with their Partners. >The 1st Cu. turn the 2d Cu. then turn their own. meet all four and set, >then turn S. and clap hands, all four going quite round. Then the 1st >Cu. go the figure through the 2d Cu. and cross over and turn their own >partners > >In 1977 an interpretation by Bernard Bentley was published in the >Fallibroome Collection 5 in which the clap and circle (all four going >quite round) were omitted and 'all balance and forward to meet' was how >B1 started (then set, turn single). > >This must be the 'cross figure' you mention. I've done the Bentley >version before and personally found the balance forward and back, then >set to feel fussy, particularly when compared to the set, turn single >which flows into a circle round which helps drive one into the faster >pace (compared to the A part) of the B2. > >Brooke >Ashland OR USA > >"Klein, Anita" wrote: > > > > > > > I remember dancing 'Easter Thursday' in Palo Alto long ago where the B > > part of the dance included setting backward, forward, right and then > > left, tracing a little cross. (Very appropriate for Easter.) The > > version of Easter Thursday we are doing for the BACDS Playford Ball > > has a set right and left but not backward and forward. I prefer the > > little cross figure because it fits so well with the title of the > > dance. Which variation do you all usually do/teach? Anyone know the > > history of this dance? > > > > Anita Klein _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KT6H44EDWUEOWOJV-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Wed, 05 Mar 2003 21:13:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBB00J01AIBTH-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Wed, 05 Mar 2003 21:13:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBB00DMFAIAPX-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Wed, 05 Mar 2003 21:13:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 21:13:25 -0800 From: Chris Sackett & Brooke Friendly Subject: Re: Wrapping up "A Concealed Health" Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <3E66D8F4.E35681F5-AT-opendoor.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <01KT4XDTPLDAEO5JZD-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Yes we'll say hi to Max and Susan at our Spring Ball (English and Scottish). Better yet, we invite you all to come say to them and us (and dance Concealed Health, Mary K and a host of other great dances) on April 5 in Ashland OR. On Friday we'll have a Celtic Dance Party (fun and easy dances for the whole family) or you could go to a play at the Oregon Shakespeare Festival. More info about the ball on our website: www.opendoor.com/heatherandrose Brooke Ashland OR USA Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote: > ECDers -- > > Here's the response to my summary of Bray answers (which was, basically, > Graham's note, since it seemed to cover the territory pretty well). > > Perhaps Chris and Brooke can say hi to Max and his wife from the ECD list. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: Library Adult Services > Subject: Re: Thomas Bray > To: winston-AT-SLAC.Stanford.EDU > > Alan - Thank you so much for your very prompt and informative reply, including > the forwarded message from Graham Christian. I had found reference to the > Helwig book but don't have ready access to it. > > In response to Mr. Christian's curiosity, please let him know that the inquirer > is the director of our library system, Max Leek, who along with his wife, is an > avid country dancer. There is a Spring Ball in Ashland, OR (site of the Oregon > Shakespeare Festival, among other cultural activities) at which participants > will be dancing "A Concealed Health." I'm forwarding both your message and > Mr. Christian's to Max, along with another very interesting reply from pianist > Jacqueline Schwab. Country Dance folk are certainly most kind and sharing! > > With great appreciation, Deborah > > Reference Desk, Adult Services > Douglas County Library System > 1409 NE Diamond Lake Blvd. > Roseburg, OR 97470 > (541) 440-4305 > libadult-AT-co.douglas.or.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > I didn't get a copy of Jacqueline's reply. > > -- Alan > > =============================================================================== > Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU > Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 > Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 > =============================================================================== --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KT73SL1Z5WEOWJ1C-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Thu, 06 Mar 2003 08:03:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBC00D014L1IR-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Thu, 06 Mar 2003 08:03:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBC00C3O4L1E0-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Thu, 06 Mar 2003 08:03:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 16:01:53 +0000 From: Colin Hume Subject: John Chapman Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD Mailing List Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU John Chapman died last night (5th March) of a heart attack. Dee does not want any phone calls at the moment. Further information when available. John has been one of the best-known American callers in the country for many years. He has called every one of the Bidford Dances, which he and Dee started, and was popular everywhere. People will remember him working with Arden Folk, his singing calls, his dances such as "Clopton Bridge"... but most of all they will remember what a lovely man he was, and how he made sure that everyone at one of his dances had a really good time. Colin Hume --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KT7DRMVZAEEOSLA7-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Thu, 06 Mar 2003 12:48:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBC00001HSZU4-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Thu, 06 Mar 2003 12:48:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBC00MDHHSZ4S-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Thu, 06 Mar 2003 12:48:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 12:48:25 -0800 (PST) From: Graham Christian Subject: Historical Dance Program &c. Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <20030306204825.18426.qmail-AT-web20609.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Dear Doctor D.: Hope you don't mind that I sent Ferdinand Grueneis your direction. I should be between work and graduate school, so I am *really* hoping to be part of AEMF this round. But I will do my utmost not to make such a blasted fuss--I'm sure it jinxed me last time. --- Dorothy Olsson wrote: > > (Please excuse any cross-postings.) > > “Dance rouses the spirit to joy, relieves and > refreshes us, > keeping away annoying or unpleasant thoughts.” > Fabritio Caroso, 1600 > > Please join us for the … > > HISTORICAL DANCE PROGRAM > > AT THE > > AMHERST EARLY MUSIC FESTIVAL > > July 27-August 3, 2003 > > University of Connecticut at Storrs > > THIS YEAR’S THEME: > > “Music of Iberia and the Low Countries: Medieval, > Renaissance, and Baroque” > > For over twenty years the historical dance program > has been a highly > successful part of the Amherst Early Music Festival, > itself the largest > festival of its kind in the world. Students > particularly enjoy the > opportunities for performance, along with > stimulating classes by dance > historians and performers. [See our website for > comments from workshop > participants: http://www.amherstearlymusic.org/] > > FACULTY > > Dorothy Olsson, Director; Kaspar D. Mainz; Carol G. > Marsh > For faculty bios, see: > http://www.amherstearlymusic.org/ > > DANCE CLASSES > > Dance is an integral part of the Amherst Early Music > Festival; for the 2003 > workshop, classes will be offered in Renaissance and > Baroque dance, and > contredanses of the Netherlands and Spain. All > levels of dancers are welcome. > > Tentative Schedule as of February 14, 2003 (subject > to change; see: > http://www.amherstearlymusic.org/ for most current > information and for photos): > > Week I > > The program consists of four classes daily, Monday > through Friday, with a > performance on Friday evening. Participants are also > entitled to attend > many other events (including English country > dancing, concerts and > lectures) in the evenings that are part of the > Amherst Early Music Festival > Central Program. (see: > http://www.amherstearlymusic.org/) > > Faculty: Dr. Dorothy Olsson, Kaspar D. Mainz, Dr. > Carol Marsh > > Class schedule: > > 9-10:30 am > Mutanza, or Variations in Late Renaissance Dance. > Mainz, Olsson > Dance technique from late Renaissance > sources with an emphasis on > dance variations. Some preparation for the theater > project, La Pϊrpura de > la rosa (“The Blood of the Rose”). Participants must > also be enrolled in > the late afternoon class. > > 10:45 am-12:15 pm > Los muchachos hermosos (The handsome boys): > 18th-century > Contredanses/Contradanzas from the Netherlands and > Spain. Marsh > Reconstruction of a variety of 18th-century > > contredanses/contradanzas and historical overview of > 18th-century country > dance and contredanse. > > 1:30-3 pm > Advanced Baroque Dance. Mainz > Baroque dance technique for experienced > dancers, including some > material from the 1758 Spanish source, Arte de > danzar a la francesa by > Minguet ι Irol. > > 1:30-3 pm > Beginning Renaissance and Baroque Dance. Olsson > Introduction to Renaissance and Baroque > court dances from Italy, > France, and England, including the bassedanse, > pavan, branles, alman, > galliard, bourιe, saraband, gigue and minuet. > > 3:30-5:30 pm > Theater Project Dance Rehearsal. Mainz, Olsson > Rehearsal of dances for La Pϊrpura de la > rosa (“The Blood of the > Rose”). First rehearsal, 1 pm, Sunday, July 27. > Possible Tue., Wed., and > Thu. Evening rehearsals. Performance Friday evening, > August 1. Participants > must also be enrolled in the first morning class. > > > PERFORMANCE OPPORTUNITIES > > An Opera from the New World! > > Participants will also have the opportunity, unusual > among summer > workshops, to perform in a public theatrical > performance, with costumes and > to the accompaniment of live music. > > This year our production will be La Pϊrpura de la > rosa (“The Blood of the > Rose”), believed to be the first opera written in > the New World. Written by > Spanish composer Tomαs de Torrejσn y Velasco in > 1701, it is an intriguing > love story replete with a variety of mythological > and mortal characters; > the music is enriched with lively dance rhythms from > Spanish and Latin > American folklore. > > Our performance will take place on August 1, 2003, > during the first week of > the Amherst Early Music Festival. Director: Andrew > Lawrence-King. Dance > Directors: Dorothy Olsson, Kaspar D. Mainz. Stage > Director: Grant Herreid. > Scriptwriter: Lawrence Rosenwald. Costumer: Kathy > Lewis. > > There will be other performance opportunities, on > the student concert. > > CONCERTS > > Participants can attend a wide array of concerts; > this year’s concerts will > feature Marion Verbruggen, Ex Umbris, the 20th > Anniversary Historical Harp > Concert and more! See the Amherst Early Music > Festival home page for > information on the 2003 concert schedule: > http://www.amherstearlymusic.org/ > > FOR MORE INFORMATION AND APPLICATION FORM > > http://www.amherstearlymusic.org/aemf2003-dance.htm > > For more information, see our website: > http://www.amherstearlymusic.org/ > (Historical Dance Program, under Program > Information) > > Amherst Early Music > www.amherstearlymusic.org > Marilyn Boenau, Director > 50 Hovey St. > Watertown, MA 02472 > Phone: 617-744-1324 > Fax: 617-744-1327 > E-mail: info-AT-amherstearlymusic.org > Web address: http://www.amherstearlymusic.org/ > > For more information about the dance program, > contact Dr. Dorothy Olsson: > dolsson-AT-nyc.rr.com > > Fόr Informationen auf Deutsch, bitte kontaktieren > Sie Kaspar D. Mainz: > KasparMnz-AT-aol.com > > > ===== Graham Christian "Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow." __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KT7DT7VA6CEOSLA7-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Thu, 06 Mar 2003 12:49:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBC00001HV4WX-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Thu, 06 Mar 2003 12:49:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBC00IMAHV3GQ-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Thu, 06 Mar 2003 12:49:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 12:49:46 -0800 (PST) From: Graham Christian Subject: Please ignore my last! Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <20030306204946.47494.qmail-AT-web20606.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Please ignore my last and incomprehensible message. Wrong recipient. ===== Graham Christian "Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow." __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KT7QT74BGIEOUIPZ-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Thu, 06 Mar 2003 19:01:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBC00H01Z2U68-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Thu, 06 Mar 2003 19:01:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBC00BHBZ2T7J-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Thu, 06 Mar 2003 19:01:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 22:00:39 -0500 From: "Linda M. Nelson" Subject: East Sandwich, Cape Cod, MA, USA - Alive and Well and Still Dancing Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Hi all - I was recently surprised (as, it turns out, were a few others) to read Francis Worrell's Change of Schedule announcement in the March/April CDSS News..."The English Country Dance on Cape Cod is not scheduling any dances from now until June." We have more than one English Country Dance venue on Cape Cod, and therefore the announcement is causing some confusion and a little alarm. Here's the scoop: The dance thus sadly placed on temporary hold is held in Harwich, usually 2nd and 4th Fridays, organized and led by Francis Worrell. The dance is listed in the CDSS Group Directory. Meanwhile, back at the ranch... The *other* English Country Dance on Cape Cod is held in East Sandwich on (most) 3rd Fridays. Dance leaders are Priscilla Adams and Linda Nelson, music by Jan Elliott and friends. Email me for more information. We are alive and well and kicking up our heels! You will continue to see announcements for the 3rd Friday, East Sandwich, dance on the ECD list. Currently scheduled dances for East Sandwich: March 21, May 16, June 20, July 18, 2003. (No dance in April - NEFFA) Thanks for listening! - Linda -- __________________________________________________ "Oh, yes. It's vital to remember who you really are. It's very important. It isn't a good idea to rely on other people or things to do it for you, you see. They always get it wrong." (Terry Pratchett - from "Sourcery") __________________________________________________ --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KT9L05ENOAEPEZJD-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sat, 08 Mar 2003 02:37:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBF00C01ETTE3-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sat, 08 Mar 2003 02:37:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBF005K4ETTQC-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sat, 08 Mar 2003 02:37:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2003 10:38:15 +0000 From: Colin Hume Subject: John Chapman Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD Mailing List Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU John Chapman's funeral will be on Friday 14 March 2003 at 11.30 hrs. at Holy Trinity Church, Stratford upon Avon. Arrangements are being made by Keith Richards (Ad Hoc band), and he writes: For those who may not know, this is Stratford Parish Church (with a spire), on the same side of the river as the Shakespeare Memorial Theatre, further along the river bank about a quarter of a mile away from the Theatre and the main part of the town. The location is shown at: http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=420140&Y=254350&A=Y&Z=3 Dee and her family have requested that only the immediate family send flowers but there will be a collection during the service and details of the beneficiary(s) will be published on the order of service sheets which will be issued at the church to those attending. After the service at Holy Trinity Church there will be a burial but in the circumstances Dee has asked for only the immediate family to be present and you are all asked to respect this. Similarly, due to the logistics of numbers etc., it has not been possible in the time available to arrange a suitable venue for everyone present to meet afterwards and in this respect on behalf of Dee and the family I would ask for your forbearance. It is hoped to arrange a Memorial Dance at some future date and details of this will be published in due course. You are respectfully but specifically requested not to telephone Dee at this very difficult time. If anyone would like any further information then either Keith or Mary will do their best to help. Their telephone number is 01527 522433 and you may leave a message if they should be out when you call. Colin Hume --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTC7NINFF68Y68GG-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sun, 09 Mar 2003 23:47:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBI00201WB27F-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sun, 09 Mar 2003 23:47:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBI0007EWB21W-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sun, 09 Mar 2003 23:47:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 01:44:59 -0600 From: Paul Stamler Subject: Fw: sailor's hornpipe Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ecd list Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <001e01c2e6d8$f42fe860$3f69550c-AT-paulstam> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Hi folks: This message was forwarded to me; any suggestions? You probably should e-mail directly to her; please cc: to me just so I know. Thanks! Peace, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Brewer" To: Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 9:57 PM Subject: sailor's hornpipe > Hello - I need to re-learn the steps to the sailor's hornpipe. Do you have > any suggestions for whom I might call? I'm in Maine, so I would have to do > it over the phone (I'm a very experienced dancer) or from writing. > Thanks very much - Jenni --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTCC9LC24M8Y7KNF-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 10 Mar 2003 01:58:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBJ009012EBM7-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 10 Mar 2003 01:58:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBJ0077F2EBI5-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 10 Mar 2003 01:58:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 01:00:49 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Nymph Divine Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <01KTCC9DN2LK8Y5IYW-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ECDers -- I was idly going through my Barnes book and fell in love with the tune for "Nymph Divine", and would now like to do the dance sometime. The modern citation is from A. Simon's 1973 pamphlet, "Seven Country Dances from The Dancing Master", which I don't have. (If you have his instructions, please pass them on. For that matter, if you know to what the title refers -- possibly the nymph, Calypso, from The Odyssey -- I'd be interested in hearing that.) The Dancing Master page is online http://www.izaak.unh.edu/nhltmd/indexes/dancingmaster/Dance/Play5626.htm which shows me that the music has been (at least) rebarred, 16th notes turned to quarter-notes, etc, although the structure (A repeated, B once through) has been maintained. In the meantime, I'm attempting to reconstruct this myself, but I'm having a little trouble fitting the instructions to the music. I will propose a theory later. The instructions as given: The two first Cu. lead to the Wall and back again, the two Men lead thro' the two We., then the two We. thro' the two Men. _*_ [End of A1, I presume.] The first and second Cu. fall back from each other, and forward again, the first Cu. lead thro' the second Cu. and cast up [*], then the second Cu. lead thro' the first and cast off. _: [End of A2] The 1st Man cast off and stand behind the 2nd Man, the 1st Wo. do the same, the 2d Cu. sett and cast up, the 1st Cu go the whole figure which brings them into the 2d Cu Place. Modern language, with my guesses at the resolution of ambiguities. A1: 1s, backs to their partners, lead away individually, then turn and lead back to the set. [Modern dancers would probably prefer to have both men lead to their wall, both women to their wall.] Men lead between the women (and cast back to place). Women lead between the men (and cast back to place). A2: Facing partner, all fall back and come forward. 1s lead through the 2s and cast back to place. 2s lead through the 1s and cast back to place. B: M1 cast below M2 (finishing on the G#) W1 the same 2s set r&l and cast to 1s place (finishing on the dotted 1/2 A) 1s whole figure eight up, finishing in progressed place. The structure of the A strain is: Phrase 1, Phrase 2, Phrase 2 again, Phrase 3, Phrase 3 again. The structure of the B strain is: Phrase 1, Phrase 1 again, Phrase 2, Phrase 3, Phrase 3 again, Phrase 3 again, Phrase 4. I'm having some trouble seeing how the instructions line up with the music. I _think_ the Barnes music works out the same as the original publication, but am not 100% sure (because I can't read it really clearly). The structure of the A strain is: Phrase 1, Phrase 2, Phrase 2 again, Phrase 3, Phrase 3 again. The structure of the B strain is: Phrase 1, Phrase 1 again, Phrase 2, Phrase 3, Phrase 3 again, Phrase 3 again, Phrase 4. I've been trained by most ECD that the figures should line up with the phrases. In A1, the second and third figures seem to fit nicely with Phrase 3 and its repeat, and to form a nice echo in the motion of the repeat in the movement. However, I'd expect "lead to the wall and back again" to fill Phrase 1 and Phrase 2 without the repeat, and this leaves the repeat of Phrase 2 without motion to fill it. Making the second and third figure line up (Phrase 2, repeat, Phrase 3, repeat) makes those figures inordinately slow and the "lead to the wall" implausibly fast - there's about enough music to lead out a double, and not to lead back. It would be quite unsatisfactory to just divide the phrases and lead out for phrase 1 plus the first half of phrase 2, and back for the other half, and I basically don't believe it. The same problems apply in A2. So I have some hypotheses, none of which are of much help: (1) Dancers were expected to use straightforward footwork going out, fancy footwork that covered less ground coming back. (It's from 1728, if that helps anybody.) [It seems unlikely, though, that this would also be expected in a fall back, come forward sequence.] (2) The repeat of Phrase 2 is a mistake. (I can see that it's present in the 1728 publication.) (3) Some part of the figure was dropped, eg lead to the wall and back _and turn single_. (This would actually be pretty cool in modern ECD style - you've started the dance by going away from your partner -- you didn't actually have to turn away in any round but the first, because the figure of eight can leave you pointing out -- and you come back and come closer and stay up on the toes for a moment and then - with lots of eye contact to start with - turn single. I could see that as a very flirtatious move, but there is the problem that there's no textual justification for it whatsoever. The problem with "part of the figure was dropped" would be that it was _also_ dropped in the text for A2. (4) Possibly the Barnes version, which I _can_ read clearly, isn't a correct transcription of the Dancing Master music. I'd be interested to know what Simons did with this, and if any of the rest of you have other interpretations. I am curious both about revival-ECD practice on this and about what might have been "authentic" practice, given that they may differ. Thanks, -- Alan =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTCHFQNIIG8Y7KNF-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 10 Mar 2003 04:27:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBJ00G0199TXY-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 10 Mar 2003 04:27:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBJ00ED699T48-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 10 Mar 2003 04:27:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 04:12:15 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Another ECD/morris tune Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <01KTCHFHZS848Y7QBH-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ECDers -- Interested to note that the tune given in Barnes as "The Review (or, Bellisle's March)", dated 1765, is darn close to the morris tune "Monck's March" (often turned into "Drunk's March" with the addition of mugs of beer). Jack Campin has a paragraph on General Monck (Cromwell's general) and the tunes associated with him; he says there's a post-Restoration "Lord Monck's March" in an early edition of Playford, and the morris dance tune is published in an 18th-century collection. http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/dalkeith/Army/Army.htm -- Alan (whose headache medicine has finally kicked in and who might be able to go to sleep). =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTCL17WNUC8Y7KNF-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 10 Mar 2003 06:10:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBJ00101E17VV-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 10 Mar 2003 06:10:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBJ00KBNE16BN-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 10 Mar 2003 06:10:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 09:11:04 -0500 From: Allison M Thompson Subject: Re: Pi Day Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <20030310.091105.-2086815.5.AllisonThompson-AT-juno.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU For those of you running a dance on Friday, please note that it will be Pi Day, March 14th (3.14159...--get it?)! My kids' school is doing a lot of activities: pi chains, pi contests, various estimations of pi, etc. As far as I know, they're not doing any pi dances, though Gathering Peascods, with its circle within a circle, comes to mind as a good candidate. Or if you have a big dance, you could do Sellenger's Round with several interior circles, each one slipping a different direciton. And when you go into the center on the second figure, raising your arms (do people still do this?) you could worship the spirit of pi (infiinite and irrational) instead of the vague fertility spirit that I remember hearing about when I first started dancing. Allison (better stop now) Thompson --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTCLOTD5448Y7KNF-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 10 Mar 2003 06:29:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBJ00201EWXXP-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 10 Mar 2003 06:29:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBJ00KECEWWL6-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 10 Mar 2003 06:29:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 06:29:15 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Vincent Subject: Re: Pi Day Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <20030310142915.51235.qmail-AT-web12207.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Perhaps everyone doing waltzes could do them in 3.14159/4 time! Tom Vincent (ducking) --- Allison M Thompson wrote: > > For those of you running a dance on Friday, please > note that it will be > Pi Day, March 14th (3.14159...--get it?)! My kids' > school is doing a lot > of activities: pi chains, pi contests, various > estimations of pi, etc. As > far as I know, they're not doing any pi dances, > though Gathering > Peascods, with its circle within a circle, comes to > mind as a good > candidate. Or if you have a big dance, you could do > Sellenger's Round > with several interior circles, each one slipping a > different direciton. > And when you go into the center on the second > figure, raising your arms > (do people still do this?) you could worship the > spirit of pi (infiinite > and irrational) instead of the vague fertility > spirit that I remember > hearing about when I first started dancing. > > Allison (better stop now) Thompson > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTCPB15S5I8Y7WP1-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 10 Mar 2003 08:12:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBJ00B01JPAD9-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 10 Mar 2003 08:12:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBJ0095MJPAI2-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 10 Mar 2003 08:12:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 10:02:15 -0600 From: "M.G. Mudrey, Jr." Subject: Re: Another ECD/morris tune Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030310100059.00a808e8-AT-mail.mhtc.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Mon, 10 Mar 2003 04:27:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 04:12:15 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Another ECD/morris tune >-- Alan (whose headache medicine has finally kicked in and who might be able > to go to sleep). > My header says you were upat 4:00 am this morning!!! Alan....must send you some of my stuff for migraines....works well... M.G. Mudrey, Jr. Wisconsin Geological and Natural History Survey University of Wisconsin-Extension 3817 Mineral Point Road Madison, WI 53705-5100 USA Voice: 608-263-5495 Fax: 608-262-8086 Email: mgmudrey-AT-wisc.edu Survey Web Site: http://www.uwex.edu/wgnhs/ --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTCQR9WH9Y8Y7WP1-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 10 Mar 2003 08:54:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBJ00F01LM6NZ-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 10 Mar 2003 08:54:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBJ009NQLM6HQ-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 10 Mar 2003 08:54:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 11:53:53 -0500 (EST) From: "Susan R. Lorand" Subject: Re: Nymph Divine Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU On Mon, 10 Mar 2003, Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote: > I was idly going through my Barnes book and fell in love with the tune for > "Nymph Divine", and would now like to do the dance sometime. > > The Dancing Master page is online > > http://www.izaak.unh.edu/nhltmd/indexes/dancingmaster/Dance/Play5626.htm > > which shows me that the music has been (at least) rebarred, 16th notes turned > to quarter-notes, etc, although the structure (A repeated, B once through) has > been maintained. > > In the meantime, I'm attempting to reconstruct this myself, but > I'm having a little trouble fitting the instructions to the music. > > I'm having some trouble seeing how the instructions line up with the > music. I _think_ the Barnes music works out the same as the original > publication, but am not 100% sure (because I can't read it really > clearly). > (2) The repeat of Phrase 2 is a mistake. (I can see that it's present > in the 1728 publication.) do you have jeremy barlow's (i hope i have the name right - the book is at home) scholarly edition of all the tunes from all the editions of vol. 1 of playford? he indicates pretty clearly what changed from one edition to next and has valuable info. about which editions corrected errors from previous ones, and which editions introduced lots of new errors. > (4) Possibly the Barnes version, which I _can_ read clearly, isn't a correct > transcription of the Dancing Master music. or possibly it's a transcription from a different edition of the DM. - susie lorand princeton, nj, usa --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTCR9KXAHM8Y7WP1-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 10 Mar 2003 09:08:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBJ00H01MASKY-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 10 Mar 2003 09:08:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBJ009P8MARI2-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 10 Mar 2003 09:08:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 17:08:45 +0000 (GMT) From: steph-AT-boo.net Subject: ECD Video Documentation Project Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Cc: steph-AT-boo.net Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <200303101718.h2AHIDUW012296-AT-kaneda.boo.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ECDers, Many of you know about the English Country Dance Video Documentation Project that Danny Walkowitz, Charlie Weber, and I have been working on since 1999 in collaboration with CDSS and others. We are still at it, having filmed this past November in London and environs, including dancing at Cecil Sharp House and interviews with ECD-listers Colin Hume and Nicolas Broadbridge, and also Malcolm Taylor (librarian at C# House). We are focusing right now on putting together a documentary film on ECD in the U.S., and are assessing what materials and footage we currently have, and what we might need. We are interested in finding out if people on this list have any of the following: 1) home movies/video footage, particularly Pinewoods 1974 when Pat Shaw was there – does anyone who was there recall any filming or still photography being done? 2) Video/film footage of gender role free English dance from the last 10 or 20 years 3) Video/film footage of members of the Conant Family 4) Video/film footage of May Gadd If you have any of this material or can suggest leads for tracking it down, we would be most grateful. If you think of material that exists that might be of interest to us which does not appear in the above list, we'd love to hear about it. Please reply offlist to me. Thanks very much! By the way, after the completion of the film, we will continue to document ECD when time and funding permits, so the project won’t end, and viewing copies of the archival footage will be in the CDSS archives at the University of New Hampshire as well as at the Center for Folklife and Cultural Heritage at the Smithsonian. Stephanie Smith Bethesda, MD steph-AT-boo.net (home) steph-AT-folkways.si.edu (work) --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTCRC8OMP08Y7WP1-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 10 Mar 2003 09:11:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBJ00H01MECUF-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 10 Mar 2003 09:11:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBJ00H0OMEBQQ-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 10 Mar 2003 09:10:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 12:05:29 -0500 From: sol weber Subject: Pi Day Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <20030310.120604.-137789.11.solweber-AT-juno.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Good thought. I'll bring my own Pi contraption to the Tues night English dance in NY (3 days early -- no dance on Fri). Make your own. A suitable sized box, an inch or two thick, with the pi shape cut out and vertical sides added, to hold chocolates or other goodies. Inscribed on top I say, Some "Pie are square" Some Pie are round But SOME pi are GREEK or make your own message. My Big Fat Greek Pi? Sol "Roundman" Weber --- "So many rounds, so little time" 25-14 37 St, Astoria NY 11103, 718-278-4389 (after 11am) SINGERS & musicians, contact me for info on books, albums, & misc. fun items. solweber-AT-juno.com; http://roundz.tripod.com --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTCTTYAC328Y7V1P-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 10 Mar 2003 10:22:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBJ00301PPLC3-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 10 Mar 2003 10:22:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBJ00KOYPPK54-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 10 Mar 2003 10:22:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 12:22:10 -0600 From: Paul Stamler Subject: Re: Pi Day Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <004101c2e731$f79a6620$d674550c-AT-paulstam> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <20030310142915.51235.qmail-AT-web12207.mail.yahoo.com> X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU <> I think that would be a polska. Peace, Paul (also ducking) --- Allison M Thompson wrote: > > For those of you running a dance on Friday, please > note that it will be > Pi Day, March 14th (3.14159...--get it?)! My kids' > school is doing a lot > of activities: pi chains, pi contests, various > estimations of pi, etc. As > far as I know, they're not doing any pi dances, > though Gathering > Peascods, with its circle within a circle, comes to > mind as a good > candidate. Or if you have a big dance, you could do > Sellenger's Round > with several interior circles, each one slipping a > different direciton. > And when you go into the center on the second > figure, raising your arms > (do people still do this?) you could worship the > spirit of pi (infiinite > and irrational) instead of the vague fertility > spirit that I remember > hearing about when I first started dancing. > > Allison (better stop now) Thompson > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTDSM0NBS68Y9JGQ-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 02:57:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBK00H01ZSJCH-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 02:57:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBK00BMEZSJO8-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 02:57:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:57:35 +0000 From: Colin Hume Subject: Re: Nymph Divine Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU On Mon, 10 Mar 2003 07:00:04 -0800 (PST), Alan Winston wrote: >The structure of the A strain is: Phrase 1, Phrase 2, Phrase 2 again, >Phrase 3, Phrase 3 again. > >The structure of the B strain is: Phrase 1, Phrase 1 again, Phrase 2, >Phrase 3, Phrase 3 again, Phrase 3 again, Phrase 4. > >I'm having some trouble seeing how the instructions line up with the music. I >_think_ the Barnes music works out the same as the original publication, but >am not 100% sure (because I can't read it really clearly). > I looked on Bob Keller's CD, which has a clear print of the original, and the Barnes music _is_ the same length as the original. Some of the notes are different - no doubt Jeremy Barlow's book shows all the variants and Peter took his version from a different one. I think the type-setter duplicated Phrase 2 in the A music by mistake, fooled by the same two notes at the end of his bars 1 and 2 (Barnes' bars 2 and 4). I have done this myself when copying out music. Take out this phrase and you have a 12-bar A-music in modern notation - more likely than a 14-bar A-music. I don't see any problem with the B-music (which is a more standard 16 bars). Phrase 1 repeated neatly fits the first man casting and then his partner. I don't hear three occurrences of a Phrase 3; I hear two 4-bar phrases, both starting the same, and this fits Alan's reconstruction fine: B: M1 cast below M2 (2 bars) W1 the same (2 bars) 2s set r&l and cast to 1s place (4 bars) 1s whole figure eight up, finishing in progressed place. (8 bars) The bit that worries me is the twos casting up into the ones' place while the ones are standing behind them! Alan says the ones are to cast below the twos, but the original says: The 1st Man cast off and stand behind the 2nd Man, the 1st Wo. do the same So maybe the twos should lead up rather than casting up. If the ones actually cast below the twos, they will be in the way of the twos below them, who will want to cast up to where the ones are now standing. If they do as the original says, but we substitute the twos leading up, the ones are then in position for a full figure eight up (or could move in as the twos lead up), ending in progressed place. It's a common problem in dance reconstruction: if the original doesn't seem to make sense, how much are you entitled to change?! Colin Hume --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTE54EB9YA8Y8SM1-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 08:56:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBL00K01GDWEJ-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 08:56:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBL00J66GDW9Z-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 08:56:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:56:10 -0600 From: Jonathan Sivier Subject: care and feeding of dance groups Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <20030311105610.A10202-AT-uiuc.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU At our English-American dance weekend later this month we are planning on having a round-table discussion during lunch on the topic "The Care and Feeding of Dance Groups". There are several people coming who are considering, or are in the process of, starting a new dance group. I would like to have a list of things they need to consider and resources they can access as they get started. We also want to include some discussion on maintaining and growing a dance group once it has been started. I would like suggestions for resources and articles on this subject that I could list as well as points that should be raised during the discussion. It will be open and informal, but I would like to have a list of topics that I can introduce to lead the discussion in useful directions. Thanks. Jonathan ***** Please note that my email address and home page URL have changed. "j-sivier" is changed to "jsivier" (remove the hyphen). My new address is "jsivier-AT-uiuc.edu" and my new home page is "http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/jsivier". Please update your address book and bookmarks. ***** ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Jonathan Sivier |Q: How many angels can dance on the | | jsivier-AT-uiuc.edu | head of a pin? | | Flight Simulation Lab |A: It depends on what dance you call. | | Beckman Institute | | | 405 N. Mathews | SWMDG - Single White Male | | Urbana, IL 61801 | Dance Gypsy | | Work: 217/244-1923 | | | Home: 217/359-8225 | Have shoes, will dance. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Home page URL: http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/jsivier | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTE7BOTMQA8Y8SM1-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:59:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBL00501JB5BY-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:59:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBL0039ZJB59Y-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:59:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:58:52 -0500 From: Campbell Kaynor Subject: Re: care and feeding of dance groups Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU I don't know why I am responding because, although I used to have great success at starting dances in numerous towns in western Massachusetts, my efforts in the Boston area in recent years have all failed to achieve solvency. Even in western Mass. I might no longer be able to launch a successful dance and here is my take on why: I have always believed that dances should be "community" dances - attended by the local community, largely supported by donations from the local community, primarily organized by the local community, staffed (caller, musicians, etc...) by the local community, and they should provide the social outlet that members of the local community need in order to face life with some sanity. In the '70s and '80s, approaching the launch of a stable series using these objectives coupled with enough publicity and some amount of recruitment (street playing, volunteer performance/instruction in the schools, etc...) was a sure bet. Venues that offered out-of-town performers and restrictive band policies were oddities that many of us attended for the broadening of our experience and for the novelty. Also in this genre were dances that catered to select groups like the "experienced" dancers. In my mind, what really set these apart from the usual dance is that the bands and callers acted and were viewed as "performers" rather than participants in the scene. They were contracted to perform, they received guaranteed fees, the onus of drawing a crowd was entirely on the organizers so only the most polished acts were hired... In the '90s to the present, the events that I considered out of character with the nature of community dance flourished and out-competed the native dance scene in their quest for dancers. The situation now is that very few community dances can survive, but if you set up a more "exclusive" event (e.g., "challenging," "by invitation," "tickets in advance," etc...) I would say the chances are very good for a successful series. On the other hand, the attributes that make logical sense to me (encouraging newcomers and sit-ins, keeping the price low and flexible, asking the band to help bring the crowd, .... all altruistically geared towards swelling the number of people who dance) are almost guaranteed not to generate a durable series. It is my hope that this is a fad that will pass and that the community dances will return when the social mindset is ready. There are certainly many like myself continually testing the waters for such a day and ready to take off when it comes. Cheers, Cammy --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTE7LGPG7O8Y8SM1-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:07:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBL00601JOACG-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:07:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBL003FWJOA9K-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:07:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:07:13 -0500 From: Joyce Crouch Subject: Amherst MA dance news flash Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD List Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU English Dance Gypsies, Take Note! (if within striking distance of western Massachusetts) I have two (well, actually three -- no, actually four!) dance events to bring to your attention. 1) March 16: On Sunday afternoon, Judi Rivkin from New Jersey will lead a program of dances for Advanced Dancers, assisted by these *very* fine Massachusetts musicians: Earl Gaddis, violin & viola; Chris Rua, oboe & recorders; Ken Allen, piano. 2-5 pm at the Munson Library, (South East Street, South Amherst), with its famed wood floor, warm atmosphere & acoustics, and newly painted walls (check out the new colors and don't worry, the paint fumes were undetectible at last night's weekly dance.) Refreshment table will of course include chocolate! Limited to experienced dancers who are completely familiar with dance figures. Free parking on streets and in church lot next door. $10. 1-a) Judi is also leading the monthly 3rd Saturday dance the night before, March 15, also at Munson Library, 8-11 pm, open to all, beginners welcome, music by Pleasures of the Town (Doug Creighton, flute & melodeon; Joyce Crouch, piano) with guests Earl & Chris (see above). Special treat at the break: a suite of dances by the delightful performing troupe Reel Nutmeg, in full costume. Spring is coming! Fun is happening! $7. 2) May 18: On this Sunday afteroon choreographer & dance leader Gary Roodman (now from Leeds, MA, lucky for us) will lead An Afternoon of New & Old Calculated Figures, leading a program of his own wonderful dances, including a few from his recently published volume, A Finite Set of Calculated Figures. 2-5 pm at the beautiful Whately Dance Barn (probably should be named the Whately Dance Art Gallery, in my opinion) in Whately, MA, just off Rt I-91. Music by Margaret Ann Martin, piano; Susan Conger, violin; & Anna Patton, clarinet. ECD esperience needed -- basic figures will not be taught. Suggested donation: $8 2-a) The Calculated Figures event is preceded the night before by a 3rd Sat dance at Munson Library, S Amherst, MA: Beverly Francis leading, with Pleasures of the Town and guest Anna Patton. 8-11 pm, open to all, $7. Whew! that's it! For further info on any of these events, please call Ruth at 413-253-3828 or email her at madrobin-AT-rcn.com. Happy dancing to you all, Joyce Crouch Amherst, MA, USA --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTE8CYFR848Y9XCK-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:28:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBL00801KNXXT-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:28:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBL0082IKNXKJ-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:28:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:28:29 -0500 (EST) From: CPChurchOffice-AT-aol.com Subject: Re: care and feeding of dance groups Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <1eb.3edc23d.2b9f84cd-AT-aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Hello Cammy and others, I hope you will be encouraged to know that your ideals are alive and well, even thriving but rather south of Boston. Our church was introduced to English Country Dancing by groups in New Castle, and Dover, Delaware. They made us very welcome and worked hard to teach us without overwhelming or intimidating us. Dance mistresses, Laura Bailey and Edith Mroz, along with numerous others were generous with their time and skills and also provide very inexpensive dancing and even lovely balls. If you are able to visit we'd love to have you come dance with us. I just wanted you to know community dancing is bringing joy and continuing its history and growth here in the Mid Atlantic thanks to people like you. Cheers! (As an English woman, I really enjoyed your "Cheers.") Margaret Margaret Talbot Administrative Assistant Christ Presbyterian Church 410 398-3192 Mailing address: 14 Woodbine Circle Elkton, MD 21921 Please visit our website: www.christpresbyterianchurch.com This site includes our calendar and gives details on programs and events such as our Van Til Conference: LORD OF CREATION, March 20-22, 2003 and other events WEEKLY SERVICE SCHEDULE Sunday Afternoon Pre Worship Prayer 2:15 - 2:45 PM Lord’s Day Worship 3:00 - 4:45 PM Fellowship 4:45 - 5:05 PM Announcements 5:05 - 5:15 PM Sunday School 5:15 - 6:00 PM Wednesday Evening Prayer and Singing 7:00 - 8:00 PM Meeting in the rented sanctuary of Elkton Presbyterian Church 209 East Main Street, Elkton, Maryland --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTE9M63RGY8Y9XCK-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:05:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBL00D01MCO9B-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:05:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBL008LSMCNKJ-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:05:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:05:02 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Vincent Subject: Re: care and feeding of dance groups Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <20030311190502.26183.qmail-AT-web12207.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU 1. Good external [to the group] communications: That means flyers, e-mail reminders, contacting media outlets (newpapers, radio stations, like-minded organizations, etc.). 2. Good internal [within the group] communications: Making sure there will be a caller, a band (or band-like sound equipment :) ), a facility, refreshments, bathrooms, etc. 3. A warm welcome to newbies. You were a newbie once, too. :) 4. Creative, themed events: Anniversaries, holidays, historically significant dates, etc. Makes things fresh and interesting. 5. Inviting outside callers and/or bands every once in a while: Gives the 'regular' callers a break and gives everyone a fresh perspective, new dances, new ideas. 6. Move the venue every once in a while: Find a historical site that would appreciate a dance as a fund-raiser, social activity or just a change of pace. This helps keep things fresh and stimulating. 7. Whenever a romantically involved couple break up, execute one of them: It's just simpler that way. :) Tom Vincent --- Jonathan Sivier wrote: > At our English-American dance weekend later this > month we are planning > on having a round-table discussion during lunch on > the topic "The Care > and Feeding of Dance Groups". There are several > people coming who are > considering, or are in the process of, starting a > new dance group. I would > like to have a list of things they need to consider > and resources they > can access as they get started. We also want to > include some discussion > on maintaining and growing a dance group once it has > been started. > > I would like suggestions for resources and > articles on this subject that > I could list as well as points that should be raised > during the discussion. > It will be open and informal, but I would like to > have a list of topics > that I can introduce to lead the discussion in > useful directions. > > Thanks. > > Jonathan > > ***** > Please note that my email address and home page URL > have changed. > "j-sivier" is changed to "jsivier" (remove the > hyphen). My new > address is "jsivier-AT-uiuc.edu" and my new home page > is > "http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/jsivier". Please update > your address book > and bookmarks. > ***** > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > | Jonathan Sivier |Q: How many angels > can dance on the | > | jsivier-AT-uiuc.edu | head of a pin? > | > | Flight Simulation Lab |A: It depends on > what dance you call. | > | Beckman Institute | > | > | 405 N. Mathews | SWMDG - Single > White Male | > | Urbana, IL 61801 | Dance > Gypsy | > | Work: 217/244-1923 | > | > | Home: 217/359-8225 | Have shoes, will > dance. | > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > | Home page URL: http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/jsivier > | > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTEA515JF68Y9XCK-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:19:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBL00E01N0QTC-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:19:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBL00AM0N0P0B-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:19:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:18:26 -0500 From: Campbell Kaynor Subject: Re: care and feeding of dance groups Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Dear Margaret Talbot: Hooray!! - for Community dancing and Hooray that it is flourishing in your neighborhood. The cynical part of me says I hope it is not only because there are no "hot" dances in the immediate vicinity to compete with it, but rather because the dancers truly prefer to be a part of a community. In 1978 I started doing my style of English in Amherst and surrounding towns at a time that the nearest other English dances were 1.5 hours drive south to Manchester CT or 2 hours east to Cambridge. For 15 years they flourished there and elsewhere in the Valley but as one can tell by reading Joyce's latest advert., half of the events there now, are for experienced dancers and they get preferential billing (the exclusive events coming first even when it is out of chronology) and I presume the larger crowds. I guess another way to look at it is that the experienced dancers have formed their own community, but that doesn't encompass ALL that I mean when I say community dance and is more similar to what I would call a club or a society. Cheerio, Cammy --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTEANS54ZY8Y9T1B-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:34:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBL00G01NPXKF-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:34:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBL00EHNNPWIO-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:34:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:38:25 -0500 From: Allison M Thompson Subject: Re: care and feeding of dance groups Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <20030311.143639.-2044869.6.AllisonThompson-AT-juno.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU I believe that there have been some good articles on this topic in back issues of CDSS News over the last 1-5 years, if that helps. Allison Thompson --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTEAT373AU8Y9T1B-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:39:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBL00H01NX17G-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:39:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBL00F6CNX1MF-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:39:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:38:52 -0500 (EST) From: "Susan R. Lorand" Subject: Re: care and feeding of dance groups Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Allison M Thompson wrote: > > I believe that there have been some good articles on this topic in back > issues of CDSS News over the last 1-5 years, if that helps. And I think there was a conference in Ann Arbor about a decade ago on this general subject (I wasn't there & I don't remember the exact year) - did anyone take notes? Susie Lorand --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTEB2V1J4E8Y9T1B-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:46:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBL00I01OA67D-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:46:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBL00ED4OA6OC-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:46:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:46:43 -0500 (EST) From: JBGrun-AT-aol.com Subject: Re: care and feeding of dance groups Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <1dc.4e8c727.2b9f9723-AT-aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU In a message dated 3/11/03 1:01:33 PM, Campbell_Kaynor-AT-biogen.com writes: << In the '70s and '80s, approaching the launch of a stable series using these objectives coupled with enough publicity and some amount of recruitment >> Cammy, there's your problem: many folks are not keen on dancing in a stable. ;-} Judy Grunberg --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTEB3REN9C8Y9T1B-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:47:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBL00I01OBE9J-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:47:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBL00I0NOBD6K-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:47:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:47:29 -0500 (EST) From: Terence Gaffney Subject: Re: care and feeding of dance groups Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU The kind of group that Cammy is talking about is still the norm in England, I belive. Understanding the diffrence between the two situations would be interesting. best, Terry --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTEBFYAQPK8Y9T1B-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:57:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBL00J01ORROM-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:57:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBL00ELUORROC-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:57:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:57:20 -0600 (CST) From: jsivier-AT-uiuc.edu (Jonathan Sivier) Subject: Re: care and feeding of dance groups Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <200303111957.h2BJvK9f025194-AT-staff2.cso.uiuc.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Allison M Thompson writes: > > I believe that there have been some good articles on this topic in back > issues of CDSS News over the last 1-5 years, if that helps. I figured that there probably would be and I'll have to take a look. Do you have any specific recommendations? Jonathan --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTEBHGCVRO8Y9T1B-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:58:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBL00J01OTRTH-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:58:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBL00I4DOTRKF-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:58:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:58:31 -0600 (CST) From: jsivier-AT-uiuc.edu (Jonathan Sivier) Subject: Re: care and feeding of dance groups Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <200303111958.h2BJwVv9025739-AT-staff2.cso.uiuc.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Susan R. Lorand writes: > > On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Allison M Thompson wrote: > > > I believe that there have been some good articles on this topic in back > > issues of CDSS News over the last 1-5 years, if that helps. > > And I think there was a conference in Ann Arbor about a decade ago on this > general subject (I wasn't there & I don't remember the exact year) - did > anyone take notes? Yes, I was there and took some notes. Thanks for reminding me. I'll have to dig them out and see if there is something I can use there. Jonathan --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTEBK3L7VC8Y9T1B-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:00:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBL00K01OXC4J-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:00:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBL00FOHOXBMF-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:00:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:00:42 -0800 (PST) From: Barbara Ruth Subject: Re: care and feeding of dance groups Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <20030311200042.14021.qmail-AT-web13605.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU --- JBGrun-AT-aol.com wrote: > Campbell_Kaynor-AT-biogen.com writes: > > << In the '70s and '80s, approaching the launch of a stable series > using these > objectives coupled with enough publicity>> > > Cammy, there's your problem: many folks are not keen on dancing in > a stable. True, there does tend to be too much horsing around. On the other hand, it provides more opportunity for the hoofers among us. Barbara (ducking and running) ===== "There is no inverse relationship between freedom and security. Less of one does not lead to more of the other. People with no rights are not safe from terrorist attack." Molly Ivins __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTEDH11ZS48Y9T1B-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:55:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBL00201RGNYO-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:55:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBL000D6RGNVJ-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:55:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:55:25 -0800 (PST) From: Barbara Ruth Subject: A stable series (was: care and feeding of dance groups) Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <20030311205526.3890.qmail-AT-web13604.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU --- JBGrun-AT-aol.com wrote: > Campbell_Kaynor-AT-biogen.com writes: > > << In the '70s and '80s, approaching the launch of a stable series > using these > objectives coupled with enough publicity>> > > Cammy, there's your problem: many folks are not keen on dancing in > a stable. >True, there does tend to be too much horsing around. >On the other hand, it provides more opportunity for the hoofers among >us. Also, I understand callers don't like it because they often end up hoarse. Barbara (giving free rein to my unbridled sense of humor). ===== "There is no inverse relationship between freedom and security. Less of one does not lead to more of the other. People with no rights are not safe from terrorist attack." Molly Ivins __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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And there's all that confusion (and chewing) when you call "hay for three." I dunno that a stable series is any harder than a barn dance, though. -- Alan =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTEEU1C6XS8YA78S-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:34:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBL00701T97DY-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:34:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBL004DUT979M-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:34:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:34:10 -0800 (PST) From: Barbara Ruth Subject: Re: A stable series (was: care and feeding of dance groups) Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <20030311213410.25754.qmail-AT-web13603.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU --- Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote: > > --- JBGrun-AT-aol.com wrote: > > > Campbell_Kaynor-AT-biogen.com writes: > > > > > > << In the '70s and '80s, approaching the launch of a stable > series > > > using these > > > objectives coupled with enough publicity>> > > > > > > Cammy, there's your problem: many folks are not keen on dancing > in > > > a stable. > > > >True, there does tend to be too much horsing around. > > >On the other hand, it provides more opportunity for the hoofers > > among > > >us. > > > Also, I understand callers don't like it because they often end > > up hoarse. > And there's all that confusion (and chewing) when you call "hay for > three." So that's what the subject line "care and feeding of" referred to. (This may be the final straw...) ===== "There is no inverse relationship between freedom and security. Less of one does not lead to more of the other. People with no rights are not safe from terrorist attack." Molly Ivins __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTEILJKKT68YA78S-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:22:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBL00K01Y8O30-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:22:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBL00J20Y8NUQ-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:22:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:16:51 -0800 From: Mary Luckhardt Subject: Communities of Dance Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD List Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU On 3/11/03 11:18 AM Campbell Kaynor said: >In 1978 I started doing my style of English in Amherst and surrounding >towns at a time that the nearest other English dances were 1.5 hours drive >south to Manchester CT or 2 hours east to Cambridge. For 15 years they >flourished there and elsewhere in the Valley but as one can tell by reading >Joyce's latest advert., half of the events there now, are for experienced >dancers and they get preferential billing (the exclusive events coming >first even when it is out of chronology) and I presume the larger crowds. Please allow an outsider to comment on the Western Massachusetts dance scene. I was privilidged to make my first trip to the area last fall for Phillippe's Amherst weekend, and extended my stay for the regular Monday night dance at the Munson Library. I found the same amazing quality of music (Earl Gaddis had come to play) and some of the faces I'd been seeing all weekend, but here also were the first timers and the older folks who don't move as well as they used to. Everybody was welcomed, and I thought Robin Hayden shone as a caller to beginners: clear, concise and encouraging. In short, I would say that the community dance, as evidenced by that experience, is alive and well in the Amherst area. With the CDSS headquarters in Northampton, and the relocation of the Roodmans and others to the area, who can blame the area organizers for flaunting their abundance of riches? And who could fault the experienced dancers for creating opportunities for the best expression of their passion for lovely English dance? They are lucky to have a community of dancers large enough to sustain more exclusive events on a regular basis. The community dance there, it seems to me, is the nursery for the experienced dancers of tomorrow. Not everyone who comes once or twice, or irregularly, will even want to attend a "snooty" gathering of fanatics. But I think there should be a refuge for those of us have have the bug and want to dance on a higher level sometimes. When I was a new dancer I thought of the FTWK dances and balls as goals to strive for. I suppose it's all in the attitude. On the other hand, we experienced dancers _must_ continue to support the community dances to the fullest! I feel it's our "civic duty" to attend the regular dances and dance cheerfully with everybody. Here's an example from just last weekend: the small San Francisco ECD last Saturday, probably 10 1st-year through very-experienced dancers, were unexpectedly joined by about 15 early college age kids and their chaperone about an hour into the dance. At the end of the dance we were doing, without a word from anybody, we each found a partner from the newcomers and lined up, introducing ourselves and reassuring them that they could do this. Alan, who was calling, gave a little orientation, and then we danced. Most stayed for the next dance, too, and again we chose our partners from the newbies so that hardly any of them danced together (they did outnumber us!). Though some drifted away during the next hour or so, there were still probably half of them left at the end of the evening. I think they had a nice time. I think it's too bad they weren't local kids, but at least they should have nice memories of friendly folks in SF, and they may remember ECD if they ever run across it somewhere again. It warmed my heart that every regular dancer there quietly took the initiative to give the first timers the best opportunity to enjoy the dance. Thanks for letting me tell the story. Mary Luckhardt --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTEJEH918W8Y9N42-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:45:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBL00M01ZBKQ4-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:45:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBL00M2IZBJ6W-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:45:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:27:11 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: Communities of Dance Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <01KTEJEB69868Y9LWI-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Mary wrote: > On the other hand, we experienced dancers _must_ continue to support the > community dances to the fullest! I feel it's our "civic duty" to attend > the regular dances and dance cheerfully with everybody. Here's an > example from just last weekend: the small San Francisco ECD last > Saturday, probably 10 1st-year through very-experienced dancers, were > unexpectedly joined by about 15 early college age kids and their > chaperone about an hour into the dance. At the end of the dance we were > doing, without a word from anybody, we each found a partner from the > newcomers and lined up, introducing ourselves and reassuring them that > they could do this. Alan, who was calling, gave a little orientation, > and then we danced. Most stayed for the next dance, too, and again we > chose our partners from the newbies so that hardly any of them danced > together (they did outnumber us!). Though some drifted away during the > next hour or so, there were still probably half of them left at the end > of the evening. I think they had a nice time. I think it's too bad they > weren't local kids, but at least they should have nice memories of > friendly folks in SF, and they may remember ECD if they ever run across > it somewhere again. It warmed my heart that every regular dancer there > quietly took the initiative to give the first timers the best opportunity > to enjoy the dance. I think this was a win for everybody, if I read the room right. Sure, the kids got a nice experience; the caller and musicians got a room full (instead of half-full) of enthusiastic dancers, and the energy exchange with the caller and musicians started to really cook. The kids dug it, the band and caller dug it, and my impression was that the regular dancers dug it too. This wasn't sacrificing their evening of fun to serve the community, it was just more fun. If Mary's experience was different, I'll say she faked it really well. (I tried to enhance that feeling by going with a non-hackneyed beginner repertoire with great tunes; we did TRIP TO RICHMOND AURETTI'S DUTCH SKIPPER THE PILGRIM (three jigs in a row, oh well, can't have everything) EVERY LAD HIS LASS NEWS FROM TRIPOLI YOUNG WIDOW I also trusted the regular dancers to explain to their partners what happened at the ends of the set, etc, so not only did they not have to stand there and listen while I explained it, they got a little more active mentoring in. I consciously avoided gypsies, gazing into your partner's eyes, ballroom position dance-round, any mention of flirtation, etc, etc. ) The youth didn't need to be coaxed, which is why this all went as well as it did. I told the nine who danced to the end what to plug into google to find contradancing in Austin; I didn't remember that there was English, but I'm told it's there. I left that dance really jazzed; it was the most fun I've had in a long time. -- Alan =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTEJTS9ESQ8Y9N42-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:57:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBL00001ZW4S6-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:57:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBL00LCPZW4EQ-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:57:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:54:51 -0800 From: "Klein, Anita" Subject: RE: Communities of Dance Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: "'ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU'" Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_09l2FWOIxWNBfQJQBGpcew)" X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --Boundary_(ID_09l2FWOIxWNBfQJQBGpcew) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT So how did these kids know about the San Francisco dance?....What are good ways, in general, to attract new people to a dance? -----Original Message----- From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing [mailto:winston-AT-SLAC.Stanford.EDU] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 3:27 PM To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Subject: Re: Communities of Dance Mary wrote: > On the other hand, we experienced dancers _must_ continue to support the > community dances to the fullest! I feel it's our "civic duty" to attend > the regular dances and dance cheerfully with everybody. Here's an > example from just last weekend: the small San Francisco ECD last > Saturday, probably 10 1st-year through very-experienced dancers, were > unexpectedly joined by about 15 early college age kids and their > chaperone about an hour into the dance. At the end of the dance we were > doing, without a word from anybody, we each found a partner from the > newcomers and lined up, introducing ourselves and reassuring them that > they could do this. Alan, who was calling, gave a little orientation, > and then we danced. Most stayed for the next dance, too, and again we > chose our partners from the newbies so that hardly any of them danced > together (they did outnumber us!). Though some drifted away during the > next hour or so, there were still probably half of them left at the end > of the evening. I think they had a nice time. I think it's too bad they > weren't local kids, but at least they should have nice memories of > friendly folks in SF, and they may remember ECD if they ever run across > it somewhere again. It warmed my heart that every regular dancer there > quietly took the initiative to give the first timers the best opportunity > to enjoy the dance. I think this was a win for everybody, if I read the room right. Sure, the kids got a nice experience; the caller and musicians got a room full (instead of half-full) of enthusiastic dancers, and the energy exchange with the caller and musicians started to really cook. The kids dug it, the band and caller dug it, and my impression was that the regular dancers dug it too. This wasn't sacrificing their evening of fun to serve the community, it was just more fun. If Mary's experience was different, I'll say she faked it really well. (I tried to enhance that feeling by going with a non-hackneyed beginner repertoire with great tunes; we did TRIP TO RICHMOND AURETTI'S DUTCH SKIPPER THE PILGRIM (three jigs in a row, oh well, can't have everything) EVERY LAD HIS LASS NEWS FROM TRIPOLI YOUNG WIDOW I also trusted the regular dancers to explain to their partners what happened at the ends of the set, etc, so not only did they not have to stand there and listen while I explained it, they got a little more active mentoring in. I consciously avoided gypsies, gazing into your partner's eyes, ballroom position dance-round, any mention of flirtation, etc, etc. ) The youth didn't need to be coaxed, which is why this all went as well as it did. I told the nine who danced to the end what to plug into google to find contradancing in Austin; I didn't remember that there was English, but I'm told it's there. I left that dance really jazzed; it was the most fun I've had in a long time. -- Alan ============================================================================ === Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 ============================================================================ === --Boundary_(ID_09l2FWOIxWNBfQJQBGpcew) Content-type: text/html Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT RE: Communities of Dance

So how did these kids know about the San Francisco dance?....What are good ways, in general, to attract new people to a dance?

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing
[mailto:winston-AT-SLAC.Stanford.EDU]
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 3:27 PM
To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Subject: Re: Communities of Dance


Mary wrote:

> On the other hand, we experienced dancers _must_ continue to support the
> community dances to the fullest!  I feel it's our "civic duty" to attend
> the regular dances and dance cheerfully with everybody.  Here's an
> example from just last weekend:  the small San Francisco ECD last
> Saturday, probably 10 1st-year through very-experienced dancers, were
> unexpectedly joined by about 15 early college age kids and their
> chaperone about an hour into the dance.  At the end of the dance we were
> doing, without a word from anybody, we each found a partner from the
> newcomers and lined up, introducing ourselves and reassuring them that
> they could do this.  Alan, who was calling, gave a little orientation,
> and then we danced.  Most stayed for the next dance, too, and again we
> chose our partners from the newbies so that hardly any of them danced
> together (they did outnumber us!).  Though some drifted away during the
> next hour or so, there were still probably half of them left at the end
> of the evening.  I think they had a nice time.  I think it's too bad they
> weren't local kids, but at least they should have nice memories of
> friendly folks in SF, and they may remember ECD if they ever run across
> it somewhere again.  It warmed my heart that every regular dancer there
> quietly took the initiative to give the first timers the best opportunity
> to enjoy the dance.

I think this was a win for everybody, if I read the room right.  Sure, the kids
got a nice experience; the caller and musicians got a room full (instead of
half-full) of enthusiastic dancers, and the energy exchange with the caller and
musicians started to really cook.  The kids dug it, the band and caller dug it,
and my impression was that the regular dancers dug it too.  This wasn't
sacrificing their evening of fun to serve the community, it was just more fun.
If Mary's experience was different, I'll say she faked it really well.

(I tried to enhance that feeling by going with a non-hackneyed beginner
repertoire with great tunes; we did

  TRIP TO RICHMOND
  AURETTI'S DUTCH SKIPPER
  THE PILGRIM (three jigs in a row, oh well, can't have everything)
  EVERY LAD HIS LASS
  NEWS FROM TRIPOLI
  YOUNG WIDOW

I also trusted the regular dancers to explain to their partners what happened
at the ends of the set, etc, so not only did they not have to stand there and
listen while I explained it, they got a little more active mentoring in.

I consciously avoided gypsies, gazing into your partner's eyes,  ballroom
position dance-round, any mention of flirtation, etc, etc. )

The youth didn't need to be coaxed, which is why this all went as well as it
did.  I told the nine who danced to the end what to plug into google to find
contradancing in Austin; I didn't remember that there was English, but I'm told
it's there.

I left that dance really jazzed; it was the most fun I've had in a long time.


-- Alan

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 Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056
 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025
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--Boundary_(ID_09l2FWOIxWNBfQJQBGpcew)-- --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTEL4VUSTO8Y9N42-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:34:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBM004011M49T-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:34:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBM00MEV1M36W-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:34:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:34:45 -0800 (PST) From: Benjamin Stein Subject: Re: care and feeding of dance groups Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <20030312003445.49571.qmail-AT-web41508.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU --- Allison M Thompson wrote: > > I believe that there have been some good articles on > this topic in back > issues of CDSS News over the last 1-5 years, if that > helps. > > Allison Thompson Haven't heard from you recently so wonder if you have received the drawings that I sent two weeks ago? Ben Stein > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTELCQM9UM8Y9N42-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:41:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBM004011WOTJ-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:41:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBM0034G1WNKI-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:41:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:01:45 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: RE: Communities of Dance Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: "Klein, Anita" Cc: "'ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU'" Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <01KTELCHY4R28Y9LWI-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Anita wrote: > So how did these kids know about the San Francisco dance?....What are good > ways, in general, to attract new people to a dance? They happened to be staying at the church where the dance was held, as part of some activity or tour of which that I never got the details. To answer the broader question: I wish I knew. I think the answer is "to have a friendly, welcoming, fun dance." (This doesn't answer the question of how you bootstrap that dance to get there. We're wrestling with that question for the English ceilidh series in Berkeley.) But you want both to get people in the door and you want them to stay once they're there. BACDS has been doing some "How did you hear about us" surveys for first-timers. The vast majority have "from a friend." (And that's even during the three months we had an extensive flyering campaign in place. We got a few flyer responses in that time, and they were about the only people we got without any preexisting community contact, which is a good thing, but it wan't cost-effective. Second-place was "on the web", but that's primarily people who knew they were looking for something like this.) The BAERS second-Friday dance party has gotten (knock wood!) quite healthy in the last several years, with attendance in the twenties and thirties. In a virtuous cycle, we get people to come, they like it, and they drag their friends over. We've gotten attendance boosts because one person from a church singles group was doing it and dragged friends and friends-of-friends (one pair of whom met at our dance that first night and returned a year later, married), because two people from a local Scottish class talked a bunch of others into coming, because some attendees where one person works at a local school got a batch of co-workers and their spouses to come. Even people who were doing BACDS dances have decided that the BAERS dance is a better place to bring their first-timer friends. BAERS runs a dance at BayCon, a local science fiction convention, and we've recruited a few regulars from there. Anyway, if you can somehow convince these "thought leaders" to check out your dance, and they like your dance, they'll bring their friends and some will stick. How do you get _them_? I don't know. I'm not sure if the rest of the US is as web-crazy as the SF Bay Area, but here, it's just foolish not to have a web site for your dance so people who are _trying_ to find you or someone like you can do so. It's valuable to get into community calendar listings, on the bulletin board at the hall for your dance, etc. Calendar listings, etc, are likely to bring you people who enjoy checking out new things, and who may be poor prospects for retention because they enjoy the quest more than the goal; it's important not to be discouraged when you see people there and apparently having a great time one week and then they never come back. I think - this is as much care and feeding as recruiting, but they're connected -- that a dance is likelier to succeed if there's a core group of the right size that feels some ownership of it, and some obligation to show up. A dance totally run by one person, or even two, is likely to burn that person out. (Been there, done that.) A dance with six or eight people invested in its success is considerably likelier to be able to go on, even if the membership in that core changes over time. If that many organizers will show, newcomers aren't faced with an empty hall. There's a little extra energy around for making flyers, etc. Organizers will go different places naturally and talk up the dance. And they get to take a month off when they need to. Usually at least one leader is needed to get such a thing started, but whoever actually makes the commitment to get the thing started should look at sharing ownership as soon as possible. [These observations are more intended for stand-alone series rather than dances run by BACDS or CD*NY, where the organization takes care of mailing flyers, providing insurance, tax reporting at year-end, etc.] -- Alan =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTEM4VF0IU8Y9N42-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:03:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBM006012X6S2-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:03:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBM003CG2X5KI-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:03:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:04:02 -0800 From: Mary Luckhardt Subject: RE: Communities of Dance Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD List Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU On 3/11/03 3:54 PM Klein, Anita said: >So how did these kids know about the San Francisco dance?....What are good >ways, in general, to attract new people to a dance? > Ah, I left that out of my "short" version: They were a group from Texas, staying at the church where the dance is held (as I understand it) and doing community service on an exchange program during their spring break. They heard the music and came to investigate. I wish I knew the answer to your second question! Maybe a parade before the dance??? ;) > [snip] Alan said: >If Mary's experience was different, I'll say she faked it really well. I had a great time! > >(I tried to enhance that feeling by going with a non-hackneyed beginner >repertoire with great tunes; we did > > TRIP TO RICHMOND > AURETTI'S DUTCH SKIPPER > THE PILGRIM (three jigs in a row, oh well, can't have everything) > EVERY LAD HIS LASS > NEWS FROM TRIPOLI > YOUNG WIDOW > Good choices, and even the challening "News" went well. I was really glad to have gone to that dance. Mary (with apologies to Alan for giving him a hard time on Mars and Venus) --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTEMZCFTJG8Y9N42-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:27:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBM00801424RI-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:27:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBM0073P423Z3-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:27:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:25:32 -0800 From: "Klein, Anita" Subject: RE: Communities of Dance Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: "'ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU'" Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_PG3Y11snx4fg78YtJYM+8Q)" X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --Boundary_(ID_PG3Y11snx4fg78YtJYM+8Q) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT My own route to ECD was via Contra. I switched to ECD when knee pain became too unbearable (well, and I had been watching a lot of Jane Austen movie adaptations). Has anyone tried actively recruiting from the Contra crowd? (double your pleasure, double your fun...or something like that) I wonder if Blockbuster will let us slip flyers into Emma video cases? :) Anita -----Original Message----- From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing [mailto:winston-AT-SLAC.Stanford.EDU] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 4:02 PM To: Klein, Anita Cc: 'ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU' Subject: RE: Communities of Dance Anita wrote: > So how did these kids know about the San Francisco dance?....What are good > ways, in general, to attract new people to a dance? They happened to be staying at the church where the dance was held, as part of some activity or tour of which that I never got the details. To answer the broader question: I wish I knew. I think the answer is "to have a friendly, welcoming, fun dance." (This doesn't answer the question of how you bootstrap that dance to get there. We're wrestling with that question for the English ceilidh series in Berkeley.) But you want both to get people in the door and you want them to stay once they're there. BACDS has been doing some "How did you hear about us" surveys for first-timers. The vast majority have "from a friend." (And that's even during the three months we had an extensive flyering campaign in place. We got a few flyer responses in that time, and they were about the only people we got without any preexisting community contact, which is a good thing, but it wan't cost-effective. Second-place was "on the web", but that's primarily people who knew they were looking for something like this.) The BAERS second-Friday dance party has gotten (knock wood!) quite healthy in the last several years, with attendance in the twenties and thirties. In a virtuous cycle, we get people to come, they like it, and they drag their friends over. We've gotten attendance boosts because one person from a church singles group was doing it and dragged friends and friends-of-friends (one pair of whom met at our dance that first night and returned a year later, married), because two people from a local Scottish class talked a bunch of others into coming, because some attendees where one person works at a local school got a batch of co-workers and their spouses to come. Even people who were doing BACDS dances have decided that the BAERS dance is a better place to bring their first-timer friends. BAERS runs a dance at BayCon, a local science fiction convention, and we've recruited a few regulars from there. Anyway, if you can somehow convince these "thought leaders" to check out your dance, and they like your dance, they'll bring their friends and some will stick. How do you get _them_? I don't know. I'm not sure if the rest of the US is as web-crazy as the SF Bay Area, but here, it's just foolish not to have a web site for your dance so people who are _trying_ to find you or someone like you can do so. It's valuable to get into community calendar listings, on the bulletin board at the hall for your dance, etc. Calendar listings, etc, are likely to bring you people who enjoy checking out new things, and who may be poor prospects for retention because they enjoy the quest more than the goal; it's important not to be discouraged when you see people there and apparently having a great time one week and then they never come back. I think - this is as much care and feeding as recruiting, but they're connected -- that a dance is likelier to succeed if there's a core group of the right size that feels some ownership of it, and some obligation to show up. A dance totally run by one person, or even two, is likely to burn that person out. (Been there, done that.) A dance with six or eight people invested in its success is considerably likelier to be able to go on, even if the membership in that core changes over time. If that many organizers will show, newcomers aren't faced with an empty hall. There's a little extra energy around for making flyers, etc. Organizers will go different places naturally and talk up the dance. And they get to take a month off when they need to. Usually at least one leader is needed to get such a thing started, but whoever actually makes the commitment to get the thing started should look at sharing ownership as soon as possible. [These observations are more intended for stand-alone series rather than dances run by BACDS or CD*NY, where the organization takes care of mailing flyers, providing insurance, tax reporting at year-end, etc.] -- Alan ============================================================================ === Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 ============================================================================ === --Boundary_(ID_PG3Y11snx4fg78YtJYM+8Q) Content-type: text/html Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT RE: Communities of Dance

My own route to ECD was via Contra.  I switched to ECD when knee pain became too unbearable (well, and I had been watching a lot of Jane Austen movie adaptations).  Has anyone tried actively recruiting from the Contra crowd?  (double your pleasure, double your fun...or something like that)  

I wonder if Blockbuster will let us slip flyers into Emma video cases?  :)

Anita

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:winston-AT-SLAC.Stanford.EDU]
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 4:02 PM
To: Klein, Anita
Cc: 'ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU'
Subject: RE: Communities of Dance


Anita wrote:

> So how did these kids know about the San Francisco dance?....What are good
> ways, in general, to attract new people to a dance?

They happened to be staying at the church where the dance was held, as part of
some activity or tour of which that I never got the details.

To answer the broader question:

I wish I knew. 

I think the answer is "to have a friendly, welcoming, fun dance."  (This
doesn't answer the question of how you bootstrap that dance to get there.
We're wrestling with that question for the English ceilidh series in Berkeley.)
But you want both to get people in the door and you want them to stay once
they're there.

BACDS has been doing some "How did you hear about us" surveys for first-timers.
The vast majority have "from a friend."  (And that's even during the three
months we had an extensive flyering campaign in place. We got a few flyer
responses in that time, and they were about the only people we got without any
preexisting community contact, which is a good thing, but it wan't
cost-effective.  Second-place was "on the web", but that's primarily people who
knew they were looking for something like this.) 

The BAERS second-Friday dance party has gotten (knock wood!) quite healthy in
the last several years, with attendance in the twenties and thirties.  In a
virtuous cycle, we get people to come, they like it, and they drag their
friends over.  We've gotten attendance boosts because one person from a church
singles group was doing it and dragged friends and friends-of-friends (one pair
of whom met at our dance that first night and returned a year later, married),
because two people from a local Scottish class talked a bunch of others into
coming, because some attendees where one person works at a local school got a
batch of co-workers and their spouses to come.  Even people who were doing
BACDS dances have decided that the BAERS dance is a better place to bring their
first-timer friends.  BAERS runs a dance at BayCon, a local science fiction
convention, and we've recruited a few regulars from there.

Anyway, if you can somehow convince these "thought leaders" to check out your
dance, and they like your dance, they'll bring their friends and some will
stick.  How do you get _them_?  I don't know.  I'm not sure if the rest of the
US is as web-crazy as the SF Bay Area, but here, it's just foolish not to have
a web site for your dance so people who are _trying_ to find you or someone
like you can do so. 

It's valuable to get into community calendar listings, on the bulletin board at
the hall for your dance, etc.  Calendar listings, etc, are likely to bring you
people who enjoy checking out new things, and who may be poor prospects for
retention because they enjoy the quest more than the goal; it's important not
to be discouraged when you see people there and apparently having a great time
one week and then they never come back.

I think - this is as much care and feeding as recruiting, but they're connected
-- that a dance is likelier to succeed if there's a core group of the right
size that feels some ownership of it, and some obligation to show up.  A dance
totally run by one person, or even two, is likely to burn that person out.
(Been there, done that.)  A dance with six or eight people invested in its
success is considerably likelier to be able to go on, even if the membership in
that core changes over time.  If that many organizers will show, newcomers
aren't faced with an empty hall.  There's a little extra energy around for
making flyers, etc.  Organizers will go different places naturally and talk up
the dance.  And they get to take a month off when they need to.

Usually at least one leader is needed to get such a thing started, but whoever
actually makes the commitment to get the thing started should look at sharing
ownership as soon as possible.  [These observations are more intended for
stand-alone series rather than dances run by BACDS or CD*NY, where the
organization takes care of mailing flyers, providing insurance, tax reporting
at year-end, etc.]

-- Alan


===============================================================================
 Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
 Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056
 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025
===============================================================================

--Boundary_(ID_PG3Y11snx4fg78YtJYM+8Q)-- --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTENQEB6I68Y9N42-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:49:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBM00A0152G71-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:49:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBM0077E52FZ7-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:49:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 20:04:16 -0500 From: "Linda M. Nelson" Subject: Re: care and feeding of dance groups Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <20030311190502.26183.qmail-AT-web12207.mail.yahoo.com> X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Great comments from Tom Vincent: >1. Good external [to the group] communications: That >means flyers, e-mail reminders, contacting media >outlets (newpapers, radio stations, like-minded >organizations, etc.). Publicity is essential. New folks can't show up if they don't know about the event! Ideally, everyone in your team is enthusiastically promoting the community dance. And it would be nuts to try to start a dance series without a reliable group of enthusiasts, not just one lone organizer. The level of work involved is exhausting. A team approach also helps with dividing up tasks such as: >Making sure there will be a caller, a band (or >band-like sound equipment :) ), a facility, >refreshments, bathrooms, etc. >3. A warm welcome to newbies. You were a newbie >once, too. :) New dancers are essential. >6. Move the venue every once in a while: Find a >historical site that would appreciate a dance as a >fund-raiser, social activity or just a change of pace. > This helps keep things fresh and stimulating. Wouldn't this be confusing? When a regular series moves, chaos ensues... someone won't get the word and will arrive at the wrong venue. Obviously, we're back to 1. Communications! >7. Whenever a romantically involved couple break up, >execute one of them: It's just simpler that way. :) Much simpler. Volunteers? Cheers - Linda --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTEO4QZBT68Y9N42-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:00:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBM00B015KG1F-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:00:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBM007A55KFZ7-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:00:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 20:15:20 -0500 (EST) From: CPChurchOffice-AT-aol.com Subject: Re: Communities of Dance Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <4e.190901f5.2b9fe428-AT-aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Hello again, I can tell you that I went looking on the web because our church was eager to have a "ball" with something other than the atmosphere of a "prom". We wanted to have fun in a more family-friendly way while giving our young and old people the opportunity to dance without the segregating effects of shutting people into age-categories. Our dancers range from five to about seventy years of age. We've been surprised to see how quickly many of the little ones learn. The teens love to dance together, and throw extra spins into those two-handed turns, but they enjoy seeing their little brothers and sisters participate and they enjoy helping them. Not everyone in our congregation, we call it a "covenant-family", wants to dance but for those who do we can now offer the opportunity and they love it. They like to dress up for the balls either in period costume, evening attire, or whatever they have that's festive. If you are looking for new dancers and want to pass on the history and skills of English Country or other folk dances, I think you might find new dancers by volunteering at schools. For instance, many of our young people attend a classical Christian school. These schools are spreading fast and they typically have low budgets and are interested in activities like this for use in phys. ed, history, or extra-curricular events. I can't say enough about all those wonderful experienced dancers who have helped us to learn, danced with us, attended our dances, and found numerous ways to encourage and assist us. We have experienced all the best of what all of you have described and had very few negatives. By the way, the parade might work very well! Margaret Talbot Administrative Assistant Christ Presbyterian Church 410 398-3192 Mailing address: 14 Woodbine Circle Elkton, MD 21921 www.christpresbyterianchurch.com --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTEODWQ9PY8Y9N42-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:07:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBM00B015WRP5-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:07:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBM007D85WQZ7-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:07:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:07:16 -0500 From: Campbell Kaynor Subject: Re: Communities of Dance Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Mary said: Please allow an outsider to comment on the Western Massachusetts dance scene. I was privilidged to make my first trip to the area last fall for Phillippe's Amherst weekend, and extended my stay for the regular Monday night dance at the Munson Library. I found the same amazing quality of music (Earl Gaddis had come to play) and some of the faces I'd been seeing all weekend, but here also were the first timers and the older folks who don't move as well as they used to. Everybody was welcomed, and I thought Robin Hayden shone as a caller to beginners: clear, concise and encouraging. In short, I would say that the community dance, as evidenced by that experience, is alive and well in the Amherst area. ... Reply: Yes, the Monday dance (which I started in 1977) and the Saturdays at South Amherst (also mentioned in Joyce's Email) are the regular dances, and are mostly open-to-anyone. You may not know that some of these regular dances have been struggling and several have folded. I don't doubt there was a good crowd on the night adjacent to a high profile weekend (I used to get huge crowds the night after dawn dances in Brattleboro). Of the regular dances, the better attended are the ones that have focused on hiring a well-honed band, discouraging or excluding sit-in musicians, etc... Although I think it is great that these dances exist and it is an asset to the community to gain exposure to these callers and bands, I think it is a common mistake to think that a community dance cannot challenge the experienced dancer or that the only good music comes from an experienced and practiced band. I feel that the community dance is worthy of more than a nursery for experienced dancer venues and it makes me sad that the number of dancers who really appreciate the merits is dwindling. Although the vast majority of us are willing and eager to assist newcomers and are pleasant and welcoming at the dance, there are far too many who do so out of a sense of "civic duty" rather than raw enjoyment of the experience. It warms my heart as well to partake in such a scene but what I think is dwindling in the last decade is that feeling captured in Alan's remark: "I left that dance really jazzed; it was the most fun I've had in a long time." That is the sentiment - that a community dance is the pinnacle of enjoyment and not the stepping stone to euphorea. Cammy --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTEQ0K0VVM8Y8Y1N-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:54:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBM00E01829HU-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:54:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBM00D20828SZ-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:54:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:06:25 -0500 From: "Linda M. Nelson" Subject: RE: Communities of Dance Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU >My own route to ECD was via Contra. I switched to ECD when knee >pain became too unbearable (well, and I had been watching a lot of >Jane Austen movie adaptations). Has anyone tried actively >recruiting from the Contra crowd? (double your pleasure, double >your fun...or something like that) We do have a few contradance crossovers at the East Sandwich dance, but they are mostly friends who've also done scottish or international folk dance. The average contradancer doesn't seem to take well to ECD. Better prospects: Early Music musicians and singers, who want to learn the dances which go with the lovely old music. And in reply to another posting: yes, we've gotten a lot of new dancers via newspaper calendar listings. This is Cape Cod, and, in the winter, lots of folks want to try something new. But even when they have a great time, it's hard to get them back... they're on to yet another new experience! 2cents spoken here - Linda --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTESM2UGX68Y8Y1N-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 20:08:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBM00J01BIM48-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 20:08:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBM00DL2BILWT-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 20:08:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 23:08:31 -0500 From: Joyce Crouch Subject: Re: care and feeding of dance groups Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Dear ECD List friends, on 3/11/03 2:18 PM, Campbell Kaynor at Campbell_Kaynor-AT-biogen.com wrote: > For 15 years they > flourished there and elsewhere in the Valley [Cammy is referring to the Connecticut River Valley in this part of western Massachusetts, also called the Pioneer Valley, a name used for some years as a marketing tool for tourism. Around here we all say "the Valley" and know what we mean.] > but as one can tell by reading > Joyce's latest advert., half of the events there now, are for experienced > dancers and they get preferential billing (the exclusive events coming > first even when it is out of chronology) and I presume the larger crowds. Cammy and everyone, please don't get the impression from my posting today that this is the case in the Amherst area! Let's count: In a typical year here these days, there are 2 dances arranged specifically for Advanced Dancers, one in March and one in October. Perhaps there might be 2 more additional "experienced" dances or workshops as part of an Across the Atlantic weekend or, now Gary Roodman has moved here, specially organized to give him an opportunity to teach us his dance compositions, including some of the more complex ones that I for one as a beginning dancer would have found impossible. --Now up to 4 per year. A new 1st Saturday series has just begun which has the words "Some experience helpful" on its flyer, and I believe it intends to be year-round, so that will presumably get us up to a record 16 dances for experienced dancers in 2003. Contrast that number with the 50-52 "Open to all comers" Monday night dances per year (we dance weekly year-round, cancelling only on Christmas Eve or Day, New Year's Eve or Day), adding to that the 12 equally open monthly dances sponsored by Pleasures of the Town on 3rd Saturdays, also year-round and advertised with a Beginner session. Even at our Across the Atlantic weekend two of the 3 events are open to all and advertised that way, so we're now up to about 64 dance events per year that are for everyone. ---16 vs 64. I could go on to mention the 6 years of Beginning English Country dance classes taught for 2 8-week sessions every year beginning in 1996. (To my regret, that effort, which drew in some core members of our current dance community, has died out for the time being. I hope it can revive soon.) And I might as well mention the well-attended Beyond the Basics workshop held last year, designed specifically to help along those local dancers who aspire to improving their skills so they can become "advanced" in their own estimation as well as that of their fellow dancers. Finally, I sent my posting in order to alert dancers to two special events coming up, both of which happen to be for dancers who already know the basics, and only threw in mention of the regular 3rd Sat dances adjacent to them because some dance gypsies like to make a weekend of it. Apologies if I got people chronologically confused, or if you thought I meant to be preferential in any way. How could I? I'm one of the volunteer organizers slugging away at producing all 4 of these events, and I want to see lots of joyful dancers at all four of them! I would gladly send 3rd Sat notices every single month to the List, but I sure don't want all of you constantly reminding me of *your* regular local dances!!! And I think I would soon be dodging virtual tomatoes! So I limit my List publicity efforts to the rare special events, relying on the kind indulgence of those too far away to even think of attending, and appreciating that others act similarly. Cheers to all, Joyce ================================================================= Joyce B Crouch Telephone: 413-549-4123 95 Pulpit Hill Road Fax: 413-549-7096 Amherst MA 01002 email: joycecrouch-AT-pobox.com --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTF0BNT1408Y9YJM-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 23:49:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBM00901LQEDS-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 23:49:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBM00829LQDSS-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 23:49:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 01:49:00 -0600 From: Paul Stamler Subject: Re: Communities of Dance Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <008d01c2e86b$d8e61fe0$5168550c-AT-paulstam> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <01KTELCHY4R28Y9LWI-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing <> I believe CDSS ran a survey a few years ago, and found that, nationwide, about 10% of the people who come to a dance for the first time stick with it. It was pretty uniform, and applied to ECD and contra equally. Jonathan, could you collect these thoughts and perhaps put them on your group's website in single-document form for easy reading? Peace, Paul --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTFFQLS5W48Y9QZV-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Wed, 12 Mar 2003 07:11:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBN00D0166YBR-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Wed, 12 Mar 2003 07:11:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBN00C5E66YOJ-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Wed, 12 Mar 2003 07:11:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:06:33 -0500 From: Ruth Feldberg Subject: Re: Communities of Dance Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <3E6F4CF5.B2DF9A7A-AT-rcn.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Dear fellow dancers, I moved to Amherst 5 years ago primarily because of the wonderful English and Contra dancing going on in the Pioneer Valley. I had picked up a flyer listing the dances held at the Munson Library in South Amherst. For every month, 6 different dances were listed for Everybody: Eng on every Monday night, 1st Sat and 3rd Sat. Contras for Everyone on 2nd Sat, 4th Sat and 5th Sat. 2 Sundays a YEAR the dance was for advanced dancers. And at that time on Fridays there were classes in Beginning English Country Dancing. At those classes more experienced dancers came and danced with the brand new dances so learning would be facilitated. And a good time was had by all! I have to correct a few things that Cammy has written: >From Cammy > Yes, the Monday dance (which I started in 1977) and the Saturdays at South > Amherst (also mentioned in Joyce's Email) are the regular dances, and are > mostly open-to-anyone. You may not know that some of these regular dances > have been struggling and several have folded. I don't doubt there was a > good crowd on the night adjacent to a high profile weekend (I used to get > huge crowds the night after dawn dances in Brattleboro). Just to get the facts correct...It is true that one English dance folded when faced with increased rental fees at the Munson and held on the same night as the well known Wild Asparagus dance in Greenfield. This Eng dance has been replaced by another English dance. At this new dance as Joyce mentioned, "Some experience helpful-all dances taught." Some experience does not mean that it is exclusive, "some" does not mean only experienced dancers welcome. If any new dancers show up they will be helped not told that they cannot dance! I should mention that last fall the Munson trustees wanted to double the rental fees at the Munson. This action caused a great stir in the English and Contra dance community because we did not know if we could afford the new rates at Munson. After a meeting that the Eng and Contra organizers, callers and musicians had, there was a letter writing campaign to the Town Manager. There were beautiful, touching letters written and the theme of community was the main theme, people of all ages, abilities and ethnic groups dancing together. As it turns out, our fees are going up by only 20% not doubled. A word about the Contra Dances at the Munson. It is true that Swallowtail decided that the number of people coming to the dance was disappointing and they decided to stop. Again, I believe the competing dance in Greenfield had a lot to do with the declining numbers. Sit in Musicians were invited to play with Swallowtail including Ron's son and daughter and George's son!! Now we have a new contra dance on the 2nd Sat headed by Jim Fownes and the dance is doing very well. The dance begins at 7:30 and families are encouraged to come so we have children dancing with us in the beginning of the dance. Sit in Musicians are welcome. The 4th Sat Contra Dance led by Susan Conger and Susie Secco welcomes sit-in musicians and has added a new feature. Non-profit organizations such as Friends and environmental friendly groups are invited to come to the dance and there is an opportunity for the dancers to learn about the groups and for the groups to dance, if they choose to. And on the 5th Sat David Kaynor has stepped in to lead the dance. Sit-in musicians are invited to participate. At all of the dances, during the break we try to say hello to the newcomers, get their email address and send out reminders of the dance. We do get some college students and they add to the enthusiasm of the dance. So Cammy I would say community dancing for all with sit in musicians is alive and well in Amherst and thank you for starting all of this. Ruth Feldberg Amherst, MA --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTFHINLAZO8YBAOG-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Wed, 12 Mar 2003 08:02:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBN00I018JOYT-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Wed, 12 Mar 2003 08:02:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBN00I298JNKU-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Wed, 12 Mar 2003 08:02:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:02:01 -0600 (CST) From: jsivier-AT-uiuc.edu (Jonathan Sivier) Subject: Re: care and feeding of dance groups Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <200303121602.h2CG21KI021268-AT-staff2.cso.uiuc.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Linda M. Nelson writes: > > Great comments from Tom Vincent: > > >6. Move the venue every once in a while: Find a > >historical site that would appreciate a dance as a > >fund-raiser, social activity or just a change of pace. > > This helps keep things fresh and stimulating. > > Wouldn't this be confusing? When a regular series moves, chaos > ensues... someone won't get the word and will arrive at the wrong > venue. Obviously, we're back to 1. Communications! I don't think he meant "change the location that your regular dances are held", but rather "have occasional special dances in special locations". Our group has tried to do this. We have our regular monthly dances at a local park district facility, but we hold our balls (Playford in June and Christmas in December) at alternate locations that have a much more ball-like ambience. We also hold the occasional dance at a nearby park and in the summer we have a pool party and dance ECD in the pool. I agree that having to move the regular location of your dance can have serious negative effects. Even moving only a couple of blocks can result in a decline in attendance. People get used to going to a particular location and can't seem to get themselves to change. Our contra dance group had to move the location of our dance for several years when the building we were dancing in was discovered to have a crumbling foundation. Even though we only moved about 5 blocks we saw a noticable decline in attendance. There could have been several effects at work causing this, but I think the fact that we were no longer at the same familiar location did have an effect. Jonathan ***** Please note that my email address and home page URL have changed. "j-sivier" is changed to "jsivier" (remove the hyphen). My new address is "jsivier-AT-uiuc.edu" and my new home page is "http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/jsivier". 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I've been saving some of them, but not all. I'll see what I can do about organizing a page on the subject, but it will have to be after the dance weekend. Jonathan --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTFKLTCHE28YBAOG-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Wed, 12 Mar 2003 09:30:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBN00701CMHWN-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Wed, 12 Mar 2003 09:30:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBN00675CMGSL-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Wed, 12 Mar 2003 09:30:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 12:30:07 -0500 From: Campbell Kaynor Subject: Re: Community dance in Amherst Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU I apologize for being vague and seemingly critical of the scene in the Pioneer Valley (also known as Asparagus Valley). What goes on there is fantastic and wonderful. My thoughts (that I probably should have refrained from exposing) is that I grieve for the loss of something we used to have, but when times change I'm sure it will return. The differences in the various perceptions that I have heard from several of the list members is that we define community dance in different ways. I can remember when we had dances every night of the week and sit-in musicians were welcomed and applauded at every one. How many of those 64 dances/year today that Joyce listed encourage budding youg instrumentalists or invite a dancer to try calling one? My kind of Community dance is put on by the community. In the first year that those Monday dances started, we often did not make the rent. Contributions were solicited from band, caller, and dancers alike to reach the full tally in the way one takes a collection for the tip in a restaurant. There was no distinction between the roles because this was a community dance, it was our dance, we all (band, caller, dancers, the hall and the surrounding community) contributed to its success and everyone in the community was welcome. Nobody collects admission because no member of the community should be asked to explain their financial hardship, but simply to do their best - we accept and want them anyway. The dance was defined not by the caller or band, but by the whole scene, and it was AS important to those attending that so-and-so was going to be dancing as that so-and-so was playing fiddle and it thrived on the unexpected rather than the predictable. Many of us know what Earl Gaddis sounds like but how many of us go to the dance because some high school kid might show up with a mandolin, catch the bug, and blow us away with the sensitivity and enthusiasm of their playing? Cammy --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTFRPXYAIQ8YB4N7-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Wed, 12 Mar 2003 12:54:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBN00A01M2QSO-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Wed, 12 Mar 2003 12:54:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBN0096OM2PMR-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Wed, 12 Mar 2003 12:54:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 20:45:34 +0000 From: Robert Moir Subject: Re: ECD Digest V1 #1352 Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <000201c2e8d9$2a92b480$b2f57ad5-AT-oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <00A1CB24.4E91361C.1-AT-playford.slac.stanford.edu> X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Can I add to Colin Hume's response about Nymph Divine? When Hazel and I learned this dance in the 70s in Newcastle upon Tyne we were taught exactly as Colin states except that Cu1 should move forward immediately while Cu2 are casting up, and then Cu1 flow into the fig. 8 from their progressed places. It always seemed to work well. Robert Moir --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTH88QYY828YBWVB-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:57:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBP00601JO8YM-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:57:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBP00564JO8PV-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:57:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:57:35 -0800 (PST) From: Andy Peterson Subject: Fwd: [seattlecontra] This is about dance (really!) Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: =?UNKNOWN?Q?ECD=A0list?= Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <20030313215735.8832.qmail-AT-web20004.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU I thought this list would find this of interest. Andy in Portland > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [seattlecontra] This is about dance (really!) > Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 16:58:33 -0500 > From: "Meg Wilkinson" > Reply-To: seattlecontra-AT-yahoogroups.com > > I just came across this bit about contradancing in the Science News > online edition. It's titled "Contra Dances, Matrices, and Groups." > > http://www.sciencenews.org/20030308/mathtrek.asp > > swings, Meg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTH9KUA36W8YC7XW-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:36:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBP00B01LGUNI-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:36:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBP007IOLGU3X-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:36:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:36:22 -0800 (PST) From: Andy Peterson Subject: Re: Pi Day Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <20030313223622.16169.qmail-AT-web20004.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU --- Paul Stamler wrote: > < 3.14159/4 time! > > Tom Vincent > (ducking) >> > > I think that would be a polska. > > Peace, > Paul (also ducking) But that depends upon which village it comes from... Andy in Portland __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTHJG47QKQ8YB955-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Thu, 13 Mar 2003 19:19:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBP00C01YJQK6-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Thu, 13 Mar 2003 19:19:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBP009E1YJPWF-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Thu, 13 Mar 2003 19:19:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 19:18:55 -0800 From: Alan Ackerman Subject: Re: Fwd: [seattlecontra] This is about dance (really!) Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <20030313215735.8832.qmail-AT-web20004.mail.yahoo.com> X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Interesting! I don't do much contra dancing any more, but it seems to me that their characterization of contra dancing as consisting only of permutations of a square of two couples is incorrect. Don't contras have lines of three or four? Certainly English does. Last night Bruce Hamilton did Morpath Rant, which has a line of three, and there are quite a few English dances with line of four sweeping up the hall (or down, as in the case of Dublin Bay). Also I seem to remember from the BACDS fall weekend of 1 1/2 years ago a contra formation called becket (Beckett?) where the couples are not in a square at all. Besides, to me right hands round is quite different than a swing, even if the result is just a set of permutations. And a star is different that a circle, even if both are just rotations. (I forget whether contras have all those figures.) >I thought this list would find this of interest. > >Andy in Portland > >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: [seattlecontra] This is about dance (really!) >> Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 16:58:33 -0500 >> From: "Meg Wilkinson" >> Reply-To: seattlecontra-AT-yahoogroups.com >> >> I just came across this bit about contradancing in the Science News >> online edition. It's titled "Contra Dances, Matrices, and Groups." >> >> http://www.sciencenews.org/20030308/mathtrek.asp >> >> swings, Meg > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online >http://webhosting.yahoo.com -- Alan Ackerman, alan.ackerman-AT-earthlink.net --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTHQ349JC08YBPS4-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Thu, 13 Mar 2003 22:28:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBQ002017BND8-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Thu, 13 Mar 2003 22:28:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBQ000AK7BNDG-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Thu, 13 Mar 2003 22:28:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 00:28:06 -0600 From: Paul Stamler Subject: Is there ECD in KC? Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ecd list Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <005b01c2e9f2$e063f5c0$e868550c-AT-paulstam> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Hi folks: Just got an inquiry asking if there's an ECD group in or near Kansas City. Can anyone help? Peace, Paul "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." -- Margaret Mead --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTHQJILCW08YBPS4-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Thu, 13 Mar 2003 22:41:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBQ003017XO68-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Thu, 13 Mar 2003 22:41:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBQ000CI7XODG-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Thu, 13 Mar 2003 22:41:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 00:41:21 -0600 From: Paul Stamler Subject: Re: Fwd: [seattlecontra] This is about dance (really!) Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <007701c2e9f4$ba8a19e0$e868550c-AT-paulstam> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <20030313215735.8832.qmail-AT-web20004.mail.yahoo.com> X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Ackerman <> True, contras often break into lines of four going up or down, and occasionally other formations such as wavy lines. Still, as a first approximation, the description of contra as *mostly* being done in that little square is pretty good. << Also I seem to remember from the BACDS fall weekend of 1 1/2 years ago a contra formation called becket (Beckett?) where the couples are not in a square at all.>> Becket's just the basic contra square, rotated 90 degrees, so you begin the set next to your partner rather than across from him/her. Beckett, on the other hand, is a contra that goes on forever, because there is No Exit. Peace, Paul --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTHRWVV1B68YBPS4-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Thu, 13 Mar 2003 23:21:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBQ006019S18Z-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Thu, 13 Mar 2003 23:21:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBQ003A69S0LD-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Thu, 13 Mar 2003 23:21:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 23:15:08 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: Fwd: [seattlecontra] This is about dance (really!) Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: Paul Stamler Cc: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <01KTHRWNU4AO8YCGTB-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <20030313215735.8832.qmail-AT-web20004.mail.yahoo.com> X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Paul wrote: > Becket's just the basic contra square, rotated 90 degrees, so you begin the > set next to your partner rather than across from him/her. Beckett, on the > other hand, is a contra that goes on forever, because there is No Exit. Not because there's No Exit -- I'm afraid that's Sartre -- but because you spend the whole dance Waiting to Gohome. -- Alan =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTHS08ZP848YBPS4-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Thu, 13 Mar 2003 23:23:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBQ006019V9EM-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Thu, 13 Mar 2003 23:23:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBQ003HY9V8Y2-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Thu, 13 Mar 2003 23:23:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 01:23:06 -0600 From: Paul Stamler Subject: Waiting for Sartre Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ecd list Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <00be01c2e9fa$8fa8dee0$e868550c-AT-paulstam> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Hi folks: Caught again. Oh well, how many existentialists does it take to change a light bulb? Who cares? Peace, Paul "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." -- Margaret Mead --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTI0WFHX6E8YBH36-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 14 Mar 2003 03:38:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBQ00L01LO9VB-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 14 Mar 2003 03:38:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBQ00JAMLO911-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 14 Mar 2003 03:38:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 06:38:12 -0500 From: Tom Vincent Subject: Re: Is there ECD in KC? Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <00ed01c2ea1e$37c68230$6ec35244-AT-Hansea> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <005b01c2e9f2$e063f5c0$e868550c-AT-paulstam> X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Have you checked CDSS's links page? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Stamler" To: "ecd list" Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 1:28 AM Subject: Is there ECD in KC? > Hi folks: > > Just got an inquiry asking if there's an ECD group in or near Kansas City. > Can anyone help? > > Peace, > Paul > > "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change > the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." -- Margaret Mead --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTI18MUMEC8YBH36-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 14 Mar 2003 03:48:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBQ00M01M4NF8-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 14 Mar 2003 03:48:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBQ00JD8M4N11-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 14 Mar 2003 03:48:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 06:51:20 -0500 From: "Michael J. O'Connor" Subject: Becket Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <001f01c2ea20$0af86820$d8e17ad1-AT-oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_v/fwdSpr1wK0/tjrMnc/lQ)" X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_v/fwdSpr1wK0/tjrMnc/lQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Who was Becket, anyway? --Boundary_(ID_v/fwdSpr1wK0/tjrMnc/lQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Who was Becket, anyway?
--Boundary_(ID_v/fwdSpr1wK0/tjrMnc/lQ)-- --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTI24D2CT28YBH36-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 14 Mar 2003 04:13:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBQ00001N9ZSZ-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 14 Mar 2003 04:13:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBQ00JJRN9Z11-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 14 Mar 2003 04:13:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 04:02:49 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: Becket Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <01KTI247QT8S8YCGTB-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Michael wrote: > Who was Becket, anyway? The Becket formation dances are done in memory of Thomas a Becket, whose story is too well-known to retail here; there's even a movie about him. The three knights (including one FitzUrse) who murdered him made a ring around him from which there was no escape, even if he ran a long ways, and so a longways circle formation is Becket formation. According to http://www.digiserve.com/peter/becket.htm: It is said that the FitzUrse family was so ashamed for his part in this deed that they changed the family name to Bearham, based on the 'Urse' (or Ursa) part of the name. This eventually became Barham and the village about six miles South of Canterbury and once owned by the family still carries this name. (This is comment I have heard but have not actually seen in any book or record). Thus, the Becket murder gave rise to "Barham Down." History is fascinating, isn't it? --Alan PS: Herbie Gaudreau was, I'm told, writing a bunch of contra dances, each one named after a different town or village in New England. The one he came up with in "Partners side-by-side in two facing lines" was named "Becket Reel" or "Becket's Reel", after a town of that name. I don't know who the town was named after. It's listed in the Community Dances Manual as "Bucksaw Reel." =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTI7G3RRIU8YBH36-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 14 Mar 2003 06:46:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBQ00901UCY88-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 14 Mar 2003 06:46:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBQ0081MUCYQD-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 14 Mar 2003 06:46:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:45:58 -0500 (EST) From: "Priscilla M. Burrage" Subject: Re: Becket Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <001f01c2ea20$0af86820$d8e17ad1-AT-oemcomputer> X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, Michael J. O'Connor wrote: > Who was Becket, anyway? > Becket Massachesetts is a town in western Massachusetts. It is where the first contra Becket was called. You should get answers telling you who the caller was. I can't remember. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Priscilla Burrage Vermont US (pburrage-AT-zoo.uvm.edu) --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTI7NSPACG8YBH36-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 14 Mar 2003 06:52:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBQ00901UNBQV-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 14 Mar 2003 06:52:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBQ007AJUNBJA-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 14 Mar 2003 06:52:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:51:45 -0500 From: Daniel Pentlarge Subject: RE: Becket Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, Michael J. O'Connor wrote: > Who was Becket, anyway? > Becket Massachesetts is a town in western Massachusetts. It is where the first contra Becket was called. You should get answers telling you who the caller was. I can't remember. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Priscilla Burrage Vermont US (pburrage-AT-zoo.uvm.edu) Thank you! Now I want to know where in Becket that dance was called. I'm headed to the gender-role-free dance camp at the Y Chimney Corners Camp next Friday, and I've always treasured the hope that the first Becket-style dance was called there. Please tell me that's so. Daniel Pentlarge daniel-AT-Pentlarge.org Wakefield, Massachusetts --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTI7TQRLEA8YBH36-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 14 Mar 2003 06:57:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBQ00A01UVB22-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 14 Mar 2003 06:57:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBQ0085MUVBZS-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 14 Mar 2003 06:57:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:56:54 +0000 From: Hugh Stewart Subject: Re: Becket Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <3E71EDB6.C7AB08A0-AT-ugs.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <001f01c2ea20$0af86820$d8e17ad1-AT-oemcomputer> X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU "Priscilla M. Burrage" wrote: > On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, Michael J. O'Connor wrote: > > > Who was Becket, anyway? > > > Becket Massachesetts is a town in western Massachusetts. It is where the > first contra Becket was called. You should get answers telling you who > the caller was. I can't remember. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Priscilla Burrage Vermont US > (pburrage-AT-zoo.uvm.edu) See http://www.io.com/~entropy/contradance/articles/in-praise-of-herbie.html --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTI88YMYLY8YBH36-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 14 Mar 2003 07:08:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBQ00B01VEF58-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 14 Mar 2003 07:08:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBQ00894VEFZS-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 14 Mar 2003 07:08:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:07:49 -0600 From: "M.G. Mudrey, Jr." Subject: Re: Becket Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030314090233.00ba8a50-AT-mail.mhtc.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_5wEvK4oO1hiJWohb7ZTODg)" X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU --Boundary_(ID_5wEvK4oO1hiJWohb7ZTODg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT At 04:02 AM 3/14/2003 -0800, you wrote: >Michael wrote: > > > Who was Becket, anyway? > > > >--Alan > >PS: Herbie Gaudreau was, I'm told, writing a bunch of contra dances, each one >named after a different town or village in New England. The one he came up >with in "Partners side-by-side in two facing lines" was named "Becket >Reel" or >"Becket's Reel", after a town of that name. I don't know who the town was >named after. It's listed in the Community Dances Manual as "Bucksaw Reel." Herbie Gaudreau. Modern Contra Dancing American Square Dance Magazine, 1972 "Bucksaw" and the teeth of a saw Also, that formation was danced extensively at Vauxhall Gardens 200 years ago (??corruption leading to Bucksaw???" I have found it as early as 1690 in some French Contre Danse books. Formation corrupted from cotillions and squares into 'francaise) which are quadrilles danced only by head couples, the sides movements generally being duplicated by the heads again. mm >=============================================================================== > Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU > Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 > Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 >=============================================================================== M.G. Mudrey 106 Ravine Road Mount Horeb, WI 53572 mgmudrey-AT-mhtc.net 608-437-3701 --Boundary_(ID_5wEvK4oO1hiJWohb7ZTODg) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT At 04:02 AM 3/14/2003 -0800, you wrote:
Michael wrote:

> Who was Becket, anyway?



--Alan

PS: Herbie Gaudreau was, I'm told, writing a bunch of contra dances, each one
named after a different town or village in New England.  The one he came up
with  in "Partners side-by-side in two facing lines" was named "Becket Reel" or
"Becket's Reel", after a town of that name.  I don't know who the town was
named after.  It's listed in the Community Dances Manual as "Bucksaw Reel."


Herbie Gaudreau. Modern Contra Dancing American Square Dance Magazine, 1972

"Bucksaw" and the teeth of a saw

Also, that formation was danced extensively at Vauxhall Gardens 200 years ago (??corruption leading to Bucksaw???"

I have found it as early as 1690 in some French Contre Danse books.

Formation corrupted from cotillions and squares into 'francaise) which are quadrilles danced only by head couples, the sides movements generally being duplicated by the heads again.

mm




===============================================================================
 Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
 Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056
 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025
===============================================================================

M.G. Mudrey
106 Ravine Road
Mount Horeb, WI 53572

mgmudrey-AT-mhtc.net
608-437-3701

 --Boundary_(ID_5wEvK4oO1hiJWohb7ZTODg)-- --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTI8LA8ETU8YBH36-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 14 Mar 2003 07:18:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBQ00B01VV1WI-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 14 Mar 2003 07:18:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBQ007JZVUZJA-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 14 Mar 2003 07:18:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:18:20 -0500 From: DavBarnert-AT-aol.com Subject: Re: This is about dance (really!) Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <77D25274.0358BD4E.0ACF18CD-AT-aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Paul Stamler wrote- > Becket's just the basic contra square, rotated 90 degrees, > so you begin the set next to your partner rather than across > from him/her. Actually, to be mathematically precise, the Becket formation corresponds to the above but in a double progression. At the Squeeze-In a few years ago (a weekend get-together of squeezebox players just outside of Becket, MA) a caller brought in for the Saturday night contradance called the dance and didn't realize the geographical significance until I pointed it out to her. ______ /\/\/\/\ <______> | | | | | David Barnert <______> | | | | | <______> | | | | | Albany, N.Y. <______> \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTI9CS3A0G8YBH36-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 14 Mar 2003 07:40:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBQ00D01WVXIL-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 14 Mar 2003 07:40:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBQ008MNWVXQD-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 14 Mar 2003 07:40:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:40:04 -0500 From: rabrown-AT-nyseg.com Subject: Is there English Counry Dancing Near Easton, Maryland? Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Hi, A friend is considering relocating to Easton, Maryland, and dancing is a big part of her current life. Anyone aware of English Country dance or Folk dance opportunities near there {Easton appears to be about 35 miles southwest of Dover, Delaware, or 20 mile southeast (as the gull flies over the Cheseapeake) of Annapolis, Md. }. Please reply privately off list to rabrown-AT-nyseg.com Thanks, Richard Brown --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTIBDJJ9IW8YD2KH-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 14 Mar 2003 08:38:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBQ00K01ZKH5W-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 14 Mar 2003 08:38:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBQ00J34ZKG9B-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 14 Mar 2003 08:38:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 08:38:20 -0800 From: Jon Berger Subject: Re: Is there ECD in KC? Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <3E72057C.4060607-AT-sbcglobal.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <005b01c2e9f2$e063f5c0$e868550c-AT-paulstam> X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Paul Stamler wrote: > Hi folks: > > Just got an inquiry asking if there's an ECD group in or near Kansas City. Yes, but they only do MECD; everything's up to date in Kansas City. -- Jon Berger http://pages.sbcglobal.net/jberger --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTIEDTGHG48YD2KH-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:04:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBR006013JCNA-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:04:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBR004D43JCF9-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:04:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 12:03:53 -0600 From: Paul Stamler Subject: Re: Becket Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <000901c2ea54$13e62ec0$2868550c-AT-paulstam> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <001f01c2ea20$0af86820$d8e17ad1-AT-oemcomputer> X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael J. O'Connor <> Not who, where. The formation is named for the first dance that used it, "Becket Reel", which was named for the dance at which it was called, in Becket, Massachusetts. So that pushes the question back a notch: who was Becket, MA named for? Might have been Thomas a, but I don't know. If anyone has a WPA guide to Massachusetts, that should tell you. Peace, Paul --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTIFI74LXW8Y7RH1-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:36:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBR00A0151MI1-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:36:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBR007DB51LNX-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:36:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:36:34 -0500 (EST) From: Terence Gaffney Subject: Re: Fwd: [seattlecontra] This is about dance (really!) Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: =?UNKNOWN?Q?ECD=A0list?= Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Thanks to Andy for pointing out some interesting sites. Looking them over some questions come to mind. 1) If you analyse popular duple minors are there recurring patterns in the transformations of the square which occur? (In Hambleton's the corner cross, corner cross, circle half is reflections across the diagonal followed by the inverse transformation which in this case is circle half, the four changes that follows after is reflection across the vertical and horizontal(first two changes) followed by its inverse which is again reflection across the vertical and horizontal.) 2) If you did a number of duple minors in a row where the figures were different, but the pattern of transformations about the same would the dances feel alike, even if you couldn't say why? 3) Is the pattern of transformations a useful way to divide dances into groups? So you would have the key of the tune, its tempo, and the transformation pattern. 4) This type of analysis can be done for other formations. One of the nice features of many dances is that the active minor set keeps changing. (Hambleton's is an example of dance where the active set fluctuates between a triple minor and a duple minor.) in the third figure of "Step Stately" it goes from a duple minor set (1's cross and go below crossing again as 2s move up, to six people dancing alone as lines fall back and come forward, to a three couples active at once in the last figure.) There is some mathematical theory about changing symmetry groups, I wonder how it fits in? Best, Terry --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTIMMGZLLE8YD52J-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:00:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBR00A01EGRBI-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:00:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBR0098NEGQ2G-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:00:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 21:50:46 +0000 From: Colin Hume Subject: John Chapman Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD Mailing List Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU By this time of the year, Holy Trinity Church in Stratford-on-Avon is usually thronged with tourists looking for the graves of Shakespeare and his wife, but this morning it was a full house for JC. John died on the evening of 5th March, of a heart attack, and today about 260 callers, musicians, dancers and friends and relatives came to his funeral. For about half an hour before the official start, we were treated to a selection of John's best-known singing squares, played by members of Ad Hoc and Arden Folk - all people who had worked with John for many years. They also gave us "Swingin' Safari" which Arden Folk played regularly for John's best-known dance, "Clopton Bridge". The service was conducted by The Revd. Dr. Lorelie Farmer, and she gave a reading from Saint John's gospel after we had all given a rousing rendition of Sydney Carter's "Lord of the Dance". Then Dee Chapman very bravely came to the front and read a poem which she said had been sent to her immediately after John's death and had been a great comfort to her. I don't know who it's by, so apologies if I am infringing copyright, but here it is. Do not stand At my grave and weep, I am not there I do not sleep. I am a thousand winds that blow, I am the diamond glints on snow. I am the sunlight on ripened grain, I am the gentle autumn rain. When you awaken In the morning's hush, I am the swift uplifting rush Of quiet birds in circled flight, I am the soft stars that shine at night. Do not stand at my grave and cry, I am not there, I did not die. Lorelie then gave the address. She told us that John was born in Birmingham, and his family moved to Stratford when he was six. He worked in insurance for the National Farmers Union for 39 1/2 years, until he took early retirement in 1990. From then on he could spend his time as he wished: with Dee, his two daughters Susan and Rebecca, and his two grandchildren - and of course with music and dancing. He had a wonderful blend of gifts. Apart from the music, he was good with people, had a strong sense of theatre and a great sense of humour. This combination enabled John to turn any occasion into a celebration. At the same time there was a courtesy and seriousness of purpose underlying all of this. During his many years as a caller and dancer, John was involved in over 6,000 folk events, including 500 at Bidford alone. Last December John was honoured in Stratford on the occasion of his 50th year as a caller. After some prayers we sang two more hymns: "The Lord's my Shepherd" and "Abide with me". Then as the funeral procession set off up the aisle the band struck up "Redwing" - John's best-known singing call. Dee was fighting back the tears, but her two daughters were singing the words they had heard their father sing so often. The service was followed by a committal at Evesham Road Cemetery, and Dee had requested that only the immediate family be present for this. It is hoped to arrange a Memorial Dance at some future date. http://www.barndance.org/callers/jc.html" on the London Barn Dance site will eventually have the information. Colin Hume --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTJUQG86DI8YFCXQ-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sat, 15 Mar 2003 11:03:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBT007010XVMH-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sat, 15 Mar 2003 11:03:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBT0062L0XVKN-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sat, 15 Mar 2003 11:03:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 14:01:25 +0000 From: Ellen Tepper Subject: DANCES WITH HARPS Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <20030315.140126.-341077.2.etepper-AT-juno.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Hello dear listers and lurkers, As part of my exercise in shameless self-promotion, here is where you can dance to harp in April . (And, no, I'm not playing my Italian Triple for these, but a 3/4 size pedal harp) On Friday April 25, Dance English to Harp and some other non-harp instruments in White Plains, NY Later in the month Harp Waltzes are one of the very last offerings at NEFFA, Sunday April 27 . Earlier, though... Sunday Afternoon Waltz - West Hartford, CT Sunday, April 6, 2:30-6 pm West Hartford Town Hall, 50 South Main Street, West Hartford, CT Live music by Blue Moon, with special guest Ellen Tepper on harp Admission $9 Free waltz lesson 2:30 – 3:00 with Christine Hale Guest instructor Eddie Salgado, Steps In Time proprietor, will teach at the band breaks. No partner or experience needed, open to all ages, refreshments served Mostly waltzes, with other favorite couple dances (tango, polka, foxtrot). Call 233-6603 or see http://www.geocities.com/h_c_d See you on the floor! Ellen Tepper dancing harper or harping dancer --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTLA0UQ3J48YFA21-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sun, 16 Mar 2003 11:31:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBU00E01WX0Q2-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sun, 16 Mar 2003 11:31:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBU008KIWX017-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sun, 16 Mar 2003 11:31:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 14:31:37 -0500 (EST) From: "Priscilla M. Burrage" Subject: Save the Dates: June 20, 21, & 22, 2003 (fwd) Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Advance notice: Across the Lake -- Dancing and Workshop -- Come dance on both sides of Lake Champlain. Gene Murrow, leader and Mary Lea, Earl Gaddis, and Jacqueline Schwab of Bare Necessities. Friday, June 20, 2003, 8 - 11 pm in Plattsburgh, NY. Celebration of Wendy Gilchrist's and Bruce Kokernot's 25th wedding anniversary. No charge. Your presence in requested in lieu of gifts. Saturday, June 21, 2003, 2-5 pm in Colchester, VT (near Burlington). Workshop with Gene Murrow. Saturday, June 21, 2003, 8-11 in Colchester, VT. Gala dance. Combined price, advance registration by June 6, 2003: $20. Separate prices: $10 for workshop & $15 for gala dance. Sunday, June 22, 2003, brunch at the Burrage's. More information: Flyer online; http://www.thedancegypsy.com/events/acrossthelake.pdf Flyers to hand out: valandtom-AT-together.net Info on the Elley-Long dance site in Vermont: http://www.vyo.org/home.html Someone to talk to by email: Val: valandtom-AT-together.net Bruce or Wendy: bkokernot-AT-bhsn.org Priscilla or Peter: pburrage-AT-zoo.uvm.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Priscilla Burrage Vermont US (pburrage-AT-zoo.uvm.edu) --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTMF1YRB628YEVXQ-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 17 Mar 2003 07:07:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBW00601FBRL0-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 17 Mar 2003 07:07:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBW000N3FBQWU-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 17 Mar 2003 07:07:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 07:06:54 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Pearl Subject: Re: Becket Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <20030317150654.26897.qmail-AT-web12304.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Why is it that we do dances in "Becket" formation, and not, "Podunk" formation? We have established this reverse chronology: "Becket Formation" (mid-1970s) - "I was told by prolific contra choreographer Al Olson that Larry Jennings is responsible for naming Becket formation. I'm inclined to believe it, since I've seen the name in no source material older than Zesty Contras." wrote Roger Diggle in the ECD Digest on 1 August 2000. "Becket Reel" (mid-1950's) - Dance by Herbie Gaudreau. Connections to Camp Becket, in Becket, Massachusetts. Let's go further: "Becket, Massachusetts" (1765) - Originally laid out in 1735 as "[New] Plantation No. 4", Becket was incorporated in 1765. But who or what was "Becket"? A document on the wall of the Becket Town Hall clears up this issue: ------snip----- "Beckett" Shrivenham, Berkshire, England The original "Beckett" for which the town of Becket was named, is an estate or "tithing" which once belonged to the Admiral Lord Barrington [as in "Great Barrington, Mass.]. It is located at the southern tip of Berkshire [England], about five miles east of the important railroad town of Swindon. Sir Francis Bernard, the Royal Governor of Massachusetts in 1765, was a close friend of Lord Barrington and was himself a native of Berkshire. It is said that he enjoyed many a happy restful holiday in the beautiful surroundings of Beckett, and that these pleasant memories influenced him in 1765 to give the name Becket to Township Number Four when he approved its incorporation. The mansion was rebuilt in the early 1800's, only the cellars and part of the kitchens remaining as they were in Sir Francis' day. Surrounded by landscaped gardens, Beckett is excellently preserved today. [An image can be seen at http://www.rmcs.cranfield.ac.uk/infoserv/images/beck.jpg] By happy chance, it is now on the grounds of the Royal Military College of Science and has served as its library. This college [now called Cranfield University], interestingly enough, was the American Military College in England during World War II. [And now the good bits.] The origin of the name "Beckett" is still a puzzle. In early days it had been spelled "Becote" and is believed to be of Norman French derivation. There seems to be no known connection with the name or family of the famous Archbishop of Canterbury, Thomas A'Becket. The name always went with the property, long before it was granted to Lord Barrington as part of his perquisites when he was raised to peerage. ----- snip ----- So that's as far back as I can trace it. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTMFI2P5NQ8YEVXQ-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 17 Mar 2003 07:20:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBW00701FXEPB-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 17 Mar 2003 07:20:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBW0057EFXEZ3-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 17 Mar 2003 07:20:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:19:50 -0500 (EST) From: Terence Gaffney Subject: Change of seasons-dance to celebrate! Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Dear Friends, Here in Boston it snowed last Thursday and Friday, now today the temperature is pushing 60's, the croci are up, and my lawn looks like it drowned. This is the change of the seasons--please come and party with us this Wednesday, March 19, as we say "Goodbye to Winter and Hello to Spring". The program features dances with winter and spring associations, dances like "Easter Morn", "Winter Memories", "Room for Ramblers", "The Spring" and "Round About Our Coalfire". Music by members of Bare Necessities, and dances led by Boston staff members. The dance starts at 7:30, at the Park Avenue Church in Arlington; for directions please see our web site: http://www.cds-boston.org/pacc_dirs.html Best, Terry --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTMMAM1P0U8YGHXJ-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:34:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBW00601OWRO4-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:34:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBW001A5OWQHI-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:34:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:33:53 +0000 From: catiegeist-AT-att.net Subject: Re: Change of seasons-dance to celebrate! Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <0HBW001MBOWIHJ-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Dear Terry, Are there any dances to celebrate the return of the swallows to Capistrano on Saint Joseph's Day (March 19th)? That would fit right in with your change-of- seasons dance party. Catie Condran Geist from Palm Bay, Florida (where we have sunny weather all year round) --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTMNCTQGD28YGHXJ-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:04:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBW00A01QC4OA-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:04:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBW007CYQC4RW-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:04:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:33:50 -0330 From: "Martin E. Mulligan" Subject: Re: Change of seasons-dance to celebrate! Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU >Dear Friends, > Here in Boston it snowed last Thursday and Friday, now today the >temperature is pushing 60's, the croci are up, and my lawn looks like it >drowned. Well, here in St. John's (Newfoundland), it's been a long and unusually cold winter. We had yet another blizzard on Friday; we've had ~500 cm snow so far. It went down to -18°C last night and we might - just might - crack the freezing mark in time for the Equinox. I have programmed "In the Bleak Midwinter" for our class on wednesday! :-) Martin ========================================================================= Martin E. Mulligan St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada mulligan-AT-morgan.ucs.mun.ca ========================================================================= --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTMOOQJTX48YGHXJ-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:42:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBW00F01S37GS-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:42:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBW00D9HS3655-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:42:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:42:33 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Vincent Subject: Re: Change of seasons-dance to celebrate! Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <20030317194233.16324.qmail-AT-web12206.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU How about: Chirping of the Larke. Chirping of the Nightingale. Doves Figary. Drive the cold winter away. Spring-Garden. Woodicock. Tom Vincent --- catiegeist-AT-att.net wrote: > Dear Terry, > > Are there any dances to celebrate the return of the > swallows to Capistrano on > Saint Joseph's Day (March 19th)? That would fit > right in with your change-of- > seasons dance party. > > Catie Condran Geist from Palm Bay, Florida (where we > have sunny weather all > year round) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTMS7RVHFW8YCTNW-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:23:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBW00401WRAS5-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:23:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBW00MIOWRAHK-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:23:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 16:19:47 +0000 From: Ellen Tepper Subject: Capistrano off topic Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <20030317.161947.-402637.0.etepper-AT-juno.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Advertisement: Capistrano Root Beer--for swallows that come back! Smirks, Ellen Tepper where it is mud season in Philadelphia --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTMSEIY1768YCTNW-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:29:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBW00501X0DBR-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:29:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBW00ML9X0CHM-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:29:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 16:28:46 -0500 From: C Subject: RE: Capistrano off topic Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Too bad it's not near the "GulP" of Mexico . . .. ;-p -- CS -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU [mailto:owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU] On Behalf Of Ellen Tepper Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 11:20 AM To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Subject: Capistrano off topic Advertisement: Capistrano Root Beer--for swallows that come back! Smirks, Ellen Tepper where it is mud season in Philadelphia --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTMY90LFNO8YFT4R-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 17 Mar 2003 16:16:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBX004014RAPH-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 17 Mar 2003 16:16:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBX004054RAO1-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 17 Mar 2003 16:16:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 00:16:11 +0000 From: catiegeist-AT-att.net Subject: Re: Change of seasons-dance to celebrate! Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <0HBX004064R1NZ-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU More dances for the change-of-seasons dance: Bonny Cuckoo Lady Oriole's Walk Mad Robin Softly Robin Catie Condran Geist from Palm Bay, Florida (where we had a torrential rainstorm and tornado warnings today) --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTNTTFBABS8YHADN-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 18 Mar 2003 07:20:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBY00H01AMP91-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 18 Mar 2003 07:20:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBY00G8IAMOBR-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 18 Mar 2003 07:20:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:20:34 -0500 (EST) From: David.Millstone-AT-valley.net (David Millstone) Subject: Re: Becket Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <24623643-AT-enfield.VALLEY.NET> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU --- Dan Pearl wrote: "Becket Formation" (mid-1970s) - "I was told by prolific contra choreographer Al Olson that Larry Jennings is responsible for naming Becket formation. I'm inclined to believe it, since I've seen the name in no source material older than Zesty Contras." wrote Roger Diggle in the ECD Digest on 1 August 2000. --- end of quote --- Ah, modesty among giants... Larry Jennings told me once that it was Al Olson who came up with the name "Becket formation." A picture of the Town of Becket's seal can be found here: http://www.state.ma.us/dhcd/iprofile/seals/022.gif And a town history (with no mention whatsoever of the origin of the name) is here: http://www.state.ma.us/dhcd/iprofile/seals/022.gif My wife grew up in the Berkshires in western Massachusetts and went to Chimney Corners camp there in the 1950s. Chimney Corners, the site now used for the gender-free dance weekends, was the girls' camp affiliated with Becket camp, about half a mile down the road. She remembers the big inter-camp dances taking place at Becket, which had a better space for dancing, while Chimney Corners hosted the drama productions. David Millstone --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTOIGT89LA8YC7BQ-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 18 Mar 2003 19:06:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBZ005017A7S0-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 18 Mar 2003 19:06:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBZ004357A6WD-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 18 Mar 2003 19:06:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:00:17 -0500 From: Carl Friedman Subject: Jacqueline Schwab and Helene Cornelius in Baltimore and DC, March 29-30 Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_V2mRrBvQQmCZRyfclc5TxQ)" X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU --Boundary_(ID_V2mRrBvQQmCZRyfclc5TxQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Announcing special ECD events in Baltimore and Washington.... Concert with Jacqueline Schwab, and English country dance with Helene Cornelius calling, with music by Jacqueline Schwab, from Boston MA   Sunday, March 30, St Mark's on the Hill, 1620 Reisterstown Rd.   Concert and Reception 2:30-4 pm. Dance 4-6:30 pm.  The events will take place at St Mark's on the Hill, 1620 Reisterstown Rd., Baltimore MD (½mile  inside the Baltimore Beltway at Exit 20). St Mark's is wheelchair accessible.  Cost for both events is $12 members (BFMS, FSGW, ATDS, CDSS)/$15 non-members; Concert only: $6members/$8 non-members;  Dance only: $8 members/$10 non-members.  Helene and Jacqueline will also be doing English dance events in Washington on Saturday, March 29 * an afternoon dance workshop and an evening dance at the Whitby Gym, National Cathedral School, 3106 Woodley Rd, NW, planned in conjunction with the BFMS event. See  http://www.fsgw.org/ for details. Info: Sharon McKinley: 410-7403250 v --Boundary_(ID_V2mRrBvQQmCZRyfclc5TxQ) Content-type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Times New Roman Announcing special ECD events in Baltimore and Washington.... Concert with Jacqueline Schwab, and English country dance with Helene Cornelius calling, with music by Jacqueline Schwab, from Boston MA Times New Roman  Sunday, March 30, St Mark's on the Hill, 1620 Reisterstown Rd. Times New Roman  Concert and Reception 2:30-4 pm. Times New RomanDance 4-6:30 pm. Times New Roman The events will take place at St Mark's on the Hill, 1620 Reisterstown Rd., Baltimore MD (½mile  inside the Baltimore Beltway at Exit 20). St Mark's is wheelchair accessible. Times New Roman Cost for both events is $12 members (BFMS, FSGW, ATDS, CDSS)/$15 non-members; Concert only: $6members/$8 non-members; Times New Roman Dance only: $8 members/$10 non-members. Times New Roman Helene and Jacqueline will also be doing English dance events in Washington on Saturday, March 29 * an afternoon dance workshop and an evening dance at the Whitby Gym, National Cathedral School, 3106 Woodley Rd, NW, planned in conjunction with the BFMS event. See  http://www.fsgw.org/ for details. Info: Sharon McKinley: 410-7403250

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--Boundary_(ID_V2mRrBvQQmCZRyfclc5TxQ)-- --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTOJ67317O8YC7BQ-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 18 Mar 2003 19:26:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBZ0060188AUM-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 18 Mar 2003 19:26:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBZ0047O88AWD-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 18 Mar 2003 19:26:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:26:27 -0500 (EST) From: "Roger W. Broseus" Subject: Washington (DC) Spring Ball - Flyer / Registration Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Details about the 17th Washington Spring Ball, May 17, 2003, are available at www.just.net/~roger/ball2003 There is a flyer and printable registration form at this location. Cheers, -- Roger --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTOJDGMJGO8YC7BQ-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 18 Mar 2003 19:32:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HBZ007018I252-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 18 Mar 2003 19:32:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HBZ0047Q8I1WE-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 18 Mar 2003 19:32:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:32:19 -0500 (EST) From: "Roger W. Broseus" Subject: Jacqueline Schwab and Helene Cornelius in Washington, DC and Baltimore Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Jacqueline Schwab and Helene Cornelius will be apprearing in DC and Baltimore on March 29 and 30, 2003. Dance / concert. Details: www.just.net/~roger/specialevent (200 kb). 24 kb PDF version of flyer: www.just.net/~roger/specialevent/bostonindc.pdf --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTR2TLUM2O8YK8KK-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Thu, 20 Mar 2003 15:10:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HC200901LPSQ9-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Thu, 20 Mar 2003 15:10:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HC20049CLPSNC-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Thu, 20 Mar 2003 15:10:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 17:15:32 -0600 From: Mary Kay Schladweiler Subject: Nymph Divine Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <004301c2ef36$bf4f1a60$0400a8c0-AT-wildrose> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_+f6b+7TFAoDMpgWfXIXVGQ)" X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_+f6b+7TFAoDMpgWfXIXVGQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT A while ago there were some questions about the dance, Nymph Divine. I do have the 1973 leaflet, "Seven Country Dances from 'The Dancing Master' , selected and edited by A. Simons", which I believe was originally purchased from CDSS. It still has the price on it, written in pencil in the top right-hand corner: 75 cents. There is no notation about the name of the dance. This version is from the 4th edition of Playford, vol. 2, 1728. The music is exactly as it is in the Barnes book. Here are the instructions, as written: A1: (1-4) Lead out towards own wall and back to places; (5-6) Turn single * (7-10) Men lead between women and cast to places; (11-14) women the same A2: (1-4) Lines fall back a double and meet again; (5-6) turn single * (7-10) 1st cu lead between 2nd and cast to places; (11-14) 2nd cu the same B: (1-2) 1st M cast and stand behind 2nd M; (3-4) 1st W the same behind 2nd W (5-8) 2nd cu set and cast up behind 1st cu, who move forward; (9-16) 1st cu whole fig. 8 between 2nd cu (prog) * The turn single in A1 & A2 has been added. It was a little uncanny that this discussion came up when it did--just as I was planning my program for the musicians for the 1st Sunday in April, with Nymph Divine right at the top of the list. Other dances in this leaflet include Furbelow & Apricocks, or The Mad Frolic, 1728; News from Tripoly (1703); The Old Batchelor (1701); Daphne, or The Shepherdess (1651); Charming Maid (1728); and Oswestry Wake (1728). Mary Kay Schladweiler --Boundary_(ID_+f6b+7TFAoDMpgWfXIXVGQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
A while ago there were some questions about the dance, Nymph Divine. I do have the 1973 leaflet, "Seven Country Dances from 'The Dancing Master' , selected and edited by A. Simons", which I believe was originally purchased from CDSS. It still has the price on it, written in pencil in the top right-hand corner: 75 cents.
 
There is no notation about the name of the dance. This version is from the 4th edition of Playford, vol. 2, 1728. The music is exactly as it is in the Barnes book. Here are the instructions, as written:
 
A1:  (1-4) Lead out towards own wall and back to places; (5-6)  Turn single  *
        (7-10) Men lead between women and cast to places; (11-14) women the same
 
A2:  (1-4) Lines fall back a double and meet again; (5-6)  turn single  *
        (7-10) 1st cu lead between 2nd and cast to places; (11-14) 2nd cu the same
 
B:    (1-2)  1st M cast and stand behind 2nd M;  (3-4) 1st W the same behind 2nd W
        (5-8) 2nd cu set and cast up behind 1st cu, who move forward;
        (9-16)  1st cu whole fig. 8 between 2nd cu (prog)
 * The turn single in A1 & A2 has been added.
 
It was a little uncanny that this discussion came up when it did--just as I was planning my program for the musicians for the 1st Sunday in April, with Nymph Divine right at the top of the list.
Other dances in this leaflet include Furbelow & Apricocks, or The Mad Frolic, 1728; News from Tripoly (1703); The Old Batchelor (1701); Daphne, or The Shepherdess (1651); Charming Maid (1728); and Oswestry Wake (1728).
 
Mary Kay Schladweiler
--Boundary_(ID_+f6b+7TFAoDMpgWfXIXVGQ)-- --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTR5T9N4148YK8KK-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Thu, 20 Mar 2003 16:36:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HC200I01PP5Q7-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Thu, 20 Mar 2003 16:36:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HC200DJFPP4QH-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Thu, 20 Mar 2003 16:36:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 16:32:42 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: Nymph Divine Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <01KTR5T1NWW08Y958O-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Mary Kay Schladweiler wrote: > A while ago there were some questions about the dance, Nymph Divine. I do > have the 1973 leaflet, "Seven Country Dances from 'The Dancing Master' , > selected and edited by A. Simons", which I believe was originally purchased > from CDSS. It still has the price on it, written in pencil in the top > right-hand corner: 75 cents. > There is no notation about the name of the dance. This version is from the > 4th edition of Playford, vol. 2, 1728. The music is exactly as it is in the > Barnes book. Here are the instructions, as written: > A1: (1-4) Lead out towards own wall and back to places; > (5-6) Turn single * > (7-10) Men lead between women and cast to places; > (11-14) women the same > A2: (1-4) Lines fall back a double and meet again; (5-6) turn single * > (7-10) 1st cu lead between 2nd and cast to places; (11-14) 2nd cu the same > B: (1-2) 1st M cast and stand behind 2nd M; (3-4) 1st W the same behind 2nd W > (5-8) 2nd cu set and cast up behind 1st cu, who move forward; > (9-16) 1st cu whole fig. 8 between 2nd cu (prog) > * The turn single in A1 & A2 has been added. > It was a little uncanny that this discussion came up when it did--just as I > was planning my program for the musicians for the 1st Sunday in April, with > Nymph Divine right at the top of the list. Thanks very much for digging up the book and giving A. Simons' interpretation. I'm interested to note that he came up with the same hack to fill up the music (an added turn single with no textual support for it) as I did. >> Other dances in this leaflet include Furbelow & Apricocks, or The Mad Frolic, >1728; News from Tripoly (1703); The Old Batchelor (1701); Daphne, or The >Shepherdess (1651); Charming Maid (1728); and Oswestry Wake (1728). Thanks again. If this is your first post to the ECD list, welcome! -- Alan =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTR88MVMKY8YL4M1-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Thu, 20 Mar 2003 17:45:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HC200101SVYD6-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Thu, 20 Mar 2003 17:45:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HC20002ZSVXQG-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Thu, 20 Mar 2003 17:45:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 20:45:24 -0500 (EST) From: "Roger W. Broseus" Subject: Re: Nymph Divine (And I thought this was spam!) Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Almost deleted the first message based on the racy subject line until I saw this reply! . No insults intended: I just thought that my reaction was funny and decided to share it with the group. (OK, Barb R.: I can't wait for YOUR rejoinder.) /Roger On Thu, 20 Mar 2003, Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote: > Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 16:32:42 -0800 (PST) > From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing > Reply-To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU > To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU > Subject: Re: Nymph Divine [snip] --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTTE4E9GYI8YM0C2-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sat, 22 Mar 2003 06:55:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HC500F01O4K6Y-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sat, 22 Mar 2003 06:55:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HC5008MVO4JHV-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sat, 22 Mar 2003 06:55:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 06:48:42 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Offa's Dyke / Oswestry Square Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <01KTTE46SGOG8YJ5LT-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ECDers -- I'm interested in instructions for the dance that goes with the tune "Offa's Dyke" in Barnes; an alternate title is "Oswestry Square." (Incidentally, plugging "Oswestry Square" into Google - using the quotes - gets some interesting and unexpected results.) This would seem to have been published in the Pat Shaw "Four Welsh Barn Dances" book. Is this in print? Thanks for any (true and/or amusing) info. -- Alan =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTTFXU6A4A8YM0C2-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sat, 22 Mar 2003 07:48:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HC500I01QKH4E-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sat, 22 Mar 2003 07:48:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HC500H1RQKHN2-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sat, 22 Mar 2003 07:48:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 15:48:25 +0000 From: Michael Barraclough Subject: RE: Offa's Dyke / Oswestry Square Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <000801c2f08a$79ab0780$0300a8c0-AT-ntworld.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU OSWESTRY SQUARE +++++++++++++++ Formation: square for 4 couples Music: Oswestry Square (AABBCC)*4 + AA A1 Into the middle and back, dosido partner A2 Repeat B1 Leading couple (1s, then 2s etc) weave as follows: 1st man between 2nd couple, behind 2nd woman and 3rd man and back to place whilst 1st woman goes between 4th couple, behin4 4th man and 3rd woman and back to place (their may be time for a quick swing at the end) B2 All circle left and right (it used to be the done thing to slip LRLRLRL and then kick the right foot high over the left leg at the end of the circle left and to do a big jump at the end of the circle right) C1 Leading couple (1s, then 2s etc) whole figure of eight through the 3rd couple (start going round the person of the same sex first) and back to place C2 Everyone swing partner End with an extra A1&2 Origins etc unknown at present - I'll see what I can find. Michael Barraclough http://www.mab.tgis.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU [mailto:owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU] On Behalf Of Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Sent: 22 March 2003 14:49 To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Subject: Offa's Dyke / Oswestry Square ECDers -- I'm interested in instructions for the dance that goes with the tune "Offa's Dyke" in Barnes; an alternate title is "Oswestry Square." (Incidentally, plugging "Oswestry Square" into Google - using the quotes - gets some interesting and unexpected results.) This would seem to have been published in the Pat Shaw "Four Welsh Barn Dances" book. Is this in print? Thanks for any (true and/or amusing) info. -- Alan ============================================================================ === Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 ============================================================================ === --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTTY4W2KWQ8YLK59-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sat, 22 Mar 2003 16:28:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HC600101ENNKY-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sat, 22 Mar 2003 16:28:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HC600029ENNRQ-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sat, 22 Mar 2003 16:28:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 19:28:07 -0500 From: Diane Schmit Subject: Re: Offa's Dyke / Oswestry Square Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <3E7CFF97.2000203-AT-ix.netcom.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <000801c2f08a$79ab0780$0300a8c0-AT-ntworld.com> X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU I have slightly different directions. I learned this first as a Welsh dance, from a limited run (in the early 80's, I think) of a Welsh dance recording that included directions. (If you want details, I can send them later.) Anyway, here is the version I use. (The A2 and B1 seem to be slightly different from Michael's version; also still doing the kick (if desired) in B2. And, we never added on the extra A's.) A1 All to center and back; partners back to back A2 All to center and back; corners back to back B1 Weaving: leading couple (1s, then 2s, 3s, 4s) cross over with partner, go outside the ring behind one person, in front of the next, then behind the next (meeting behind opposite couple), lead partner back to place, wheel around (M fwd, W backward) ready to .... B2 Slip circle left, then right (7 slip steps each way, then a kick) C1 Leading couple figure 8 through the opposite couple (e.g. 1s fig 8 thru 3s) C2 All swing partners. Diane Diane Schmit Gaithersburg, MD Michael Barraclough wrote: > OSWESTRY SQUARE > +++++++++++++++ > > Formation: square for 4 couples > Music: Oswestry Square (AABBCC)*4 + AA > > A1 Into the middle and back, dosido partner > A2 Repeat > B1 Leading couple (1s, then 2s etc) weave as follows: 1st man between > 2nd > couple, behind 2nd woman and 3rd man and back to place whilst 1st > woman > goes between 4th couple, behin4 4th man and 3rd woman and back to > place > (their may be time for a quick swing at the end) > B2 All circle left and right (it used to be the done thing to slip > LRLRLRL > and then kick the right foot high over the left leg at the end of > the > circle left and to do a big jump at the end of the circle right) > C1 Leading couple (1s, then 2s etc) whole figure of eight through the > 3rd > couple (start going round the person of the same sex first) and back > to > place > C2 Everyone swing partner > > End with an extra A1&2 > > Origins etc unknown at present - I'll see what I can find. > > Michael Barraclough > http://www.mab.tgis.co.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU > [mailto:owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU] On Behalf Of Alan Winston - > SSRL Central Computing > Sent: 22 March 2003 14:49 > To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU > Subject: Offa's Dyke / Oswestry Square > > > ECDers -- > > I'm interested in instructions for the dance that goes with the tune "Offa's > Dyke" in Barnes; an alternate title is "Oswestry Square." (Incidentally, > plugging "Oswestry Square" into Google - using the quotes - gets some > interesting and unexpected results.) > > This would seem to have been published in the Pat Shaw "Four Welsh Barn > Dances" book. Is this in print? > > Thanks for any (true and/or amusing) info. > > -- Alan > > > ============================================================================ > === > Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU > Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: > 650/926-3056 > Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA > 94025 > ============================================================================ > === > > > > --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTUXCWCNJG8YM9EO-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sun, 23 Mar 2003 09:17:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HC700E01PDCUY-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sun, 23 Mar 2003 09:17:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HC700C8XPDBPF-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sun, 23 Mar 2003 09:17:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 12:17:25 -0500 (EST) From: David.Millstone-AT-valley.net (David Millstone) Subject: Re: Offa's Dyke / Oswestry Square Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <24804180-AT-enfield.VALLEY.NET> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU From "Four Welsh Barn Dances," ((c)1967) which includes: 1. Farewell Marian 2, Offa's Dyke (Owestry Square) 3. Waterfall Waltz 4. Welsh Council Offa's Dyke or Owestry Square Formation: square Music, any 48 bar jig or reel such as "Sawdl y Fuwch" (The Cowslip) This dance was devised by Gwyn Williams, Bangor A1. All to the centra and back and do-si-do partners A2. All that again. B1. Weaving: 1st couple pass each other and go outside the next person, inside the next, etc., weaving out and in until they meet behind the 3rd couple. They then lead back between that couple across the set to places. B2. Circle left and right. C1. Figure 8: 1st couple lead across the set, cross between the 3rd couple and dance a figure of eight round them. C2. Swing; all swing partners, 1st couple swinging across the set back to their own places. Repeat the dance three more times for the 2nd, 3rd and 4th couples to lead the figure. Alan asked for "any (true and/or amusing) info.' Not much here in the amusing category... Hope this helps. David Millstone --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTX5AW2REK91WPPO-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 24 Mar 2003 23:26:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HCA00901NCELJ-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 24 Mar 2003 23:26:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HCA003LZNCDIJ-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 24 Mar 2003 23:26:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 20:55:42 +0000 From: Michael Barraclough Subject: RE: Offa's Dyke / Oswestry Square Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <000501c2f17e$915c16e0$0300a8c0-AT-ntworld.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Thanks to David for the "offical" version and to Diane for hers as well. Looking at my notes again I can see that I have misinterpreted what I wrote and the weaving figure is as they both describe and not as I contributed. The bits about the slipping, kicks, jumps etc and the repetition of the A musics at the end were the standard practice in the UK when the dance was quite popular in the 1970s. Waterfall Waltz and Farewell Marian, as mentioned below, were also popular but only Waterfall Waltz seems to still be done today. There is, however, a fabulous recording of Farewll Marian by the Committee Band on their second CD (It's About Time!) - worth buying the CD for this track alone. Michael Barraclough http://www.mab.tgis.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU [mailto:owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU] On Behalf Of David Millstone Sent: 23 March 2003 17:17 To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Subject: Re: Offa's Dyke / Oswestry Square >From "Four Welsh Barn Dances," ((c)1967) which includes: 1. Farewell Marian 2, Offa's Dyke (Owestry Square) 3. Waterfall Waltz 4. Welsh Council Offa's Dyke or Owestry Square Formation: square Music, any 48 bar jig or reel such as "Sawdl y Fuwch" (The Cowslip) This dance was devised by Gwyn Williams, Bangor A1. All to the centra and back and do-si-do partners A2. All that again. B1. Weaving: 1st couple pass each other and go outside the next person, inside the next, etc., weaving out and in until they meet behind the 3rd couple. They then lead back between that couple across the set to places. B2. Circle left and right. C1. Figure 8: 1st couple lead across the set, cross between the 3rd couple and dance a figure of eight round them. C2. Swing; all swing partners, 1st couple swinging across the set back to their own places. Repeat the dance three more times for the 2nd, 3rd and 4th couples to lead the figure. Alan asked for "any (true and/or amusing) info.' Not much here in the amusing category... Hope this helps. David Millstone --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTX5AZZDSI91WPPO-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 24 Mar 2003 23:26:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HCA00901NCJLQ-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 24 Mar 2003 23:26:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HCA003L3NCIFJ-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 24 Mar 2003 23:26:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 19:35:05 -0500 (EST) From: SallenNic-AT-aol.com Subject: Re: Clawdd Offa - Offa's Dyke or Oswestry Square Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <110.21a2545c.2bafacb9-AT-aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Alan, Don't know where Mike Barraclough got his version with A1 & 2 repeated at the end. I have the original Cymdeithas Ddawns Werin Cymru leaflet open in front of me, copyright 27 - iii - 1967. "A1 All to the centre and back and do-si-do partners. A2 All that again. B1 Weaving: 1st couple pass each other and go outside the next person, inside the next etc, weaving out and in until they meet behind the 3rd couple. They then lead back between that couple across the set to places. B2 Circle left and right. C1 Figure 8: 1st couple lead across the set, cross between 3rd couple and dance a figure of 8 round them. C2 Swing: all swing partners, 1st couple swinging across the set back to their own places. Repeat the dance three more times for the 2nd, 3rd and 4th couples to lead the figure. This dance was devised by GWYN WILLIAMS, BANGOR." The kick referred to at the end of the ring is not mentioned as I think it is a standard Welsh step when circling left and right (as also practised by some Scottish country dancers, but in their case it is much higher and very much across the body). Hope this helps - could fax or send a photocopy if required. I do not think the leaflet is still in print, but will enquire. The other three dances in the leaflet are "Ffarwel i'r Marian" (Farewell to the Shore) (NOT Farewell Marion, as so often erroneously quoted!!!) arranged by Gwyn Williams; Dawns y Pistill - Waterfall Waltz (Pat Shaw's 1966 National Eisteddfod prizewinning Twmpath Dance; and Cylch y Cymry - Welsh Council, devised by Roy Hurman. One other odd thing is the marked similarity to Walsh's "Oswestry Wake", instructions for which are in the CD booklet with the CD "A Walsh Ball" by The Assembly Players, where the formation is longways, but the figures pretty well the same; and this despite the statement "This dance was DEVISED by ...."! Nicolas. Nicolas B., Lanark, Scotland http://www.nicolasbroadbridge.com --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTX5B4MYA091WPPO-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 24 Mar 2003 23:26:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HCA00901NCOM1-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 24 Mar 2003 23:26:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HCA003M5NCNIJ-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Mon, 24 Mar 2003 23:26:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 01:19:08 +0000 From: Paul Ross Subject: Re: Offa's Dyke / Oswestry Square Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Bcc: Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Yes, this is the version I learned too (from Alexander Hamilton's LP recording of it and the included instructions). Rather than a kick, I believe, there was a light stomp of the free foot at the end of each slipping ring (often left out now because it's so hard to persuade dancers that light and stomp can actually be paired together). --Paul Ross >From: Diane Schmit >Reply-To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU >To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU >Subject: Re: Offa's Dyke / Oswestry Square >Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 19:28:07 -0500 > >I have slightly different directions. I learned this first as a Welsh >dance, from a limited run (in the early 80's, I think) of a Welsh dance >recording that included directions. (If you want details, I can send them >later.) Anyway, here is the version I use. (The A2 and B1 seem to be >slightly different from Michael's version; also still doing the kick (if >desired) in B2. And, we never added on the extra A's.) > >A1 All to center and back; partners back to back >A2 All to center and back; corners back to back >B1 Weaving: leading couple (1s, then 2s, 3s, 4s) cross over with partner, >go outside the ring behind one person, in front of the next, then behind >the next (meeting behind opposite couple), lead partner back to place, >wheel around (M fwd, W backward) ready to .... >B2 Slip circle left, then right (7 slip steps each way, then a kick) >C1 Leading couple figure 8 through the opposite couple (e.g. 1s fig 8 thru >3s) >C2 All swing partners. > >Diane > >Diane Schmit >Gaithersburg, MD > > >Michael Barraclough wrote: >>OSWESTRY SQUARE >>+++++++++++++++ >> >>Formation: square for 4 couples >>Music: Oswestry Square (AABBCC)*4 + AA >> >>A1 Into the middle and back, dosido partner >>A2 Repeat >>B1 Leading couple (1s, then 2s etc) weave as follows: 1st man between >>2nd >> couple, behind 2nd woman and 3rd man and back to place whilst 1st >>woman >> goes between 4th couple, behin4 4th man and 3rd woman and back to >>place >> (their may be time for a quick swing at the end) >>B2 All circle left and right (it used to be the done thing to slip >>LRLRLRL >> and then kick the right foot high over the left leg at the end of >>the >> circle left and to do a big jump at the end of the circle right) >>C1 Leading couple (1s, then 2s etc) whole figure of eight through the >>3rd >> couple (start going round the person of the same sex first) and back >>to >> place >>C2 Everyone swing partner >> >>End with an extra A1&2 >> >>Origins etc unknown at present - I'll see what I can find. >> >>Michael Barraclough >>http://www.mab.tgis.co.uk >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU >>[mailto:owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU] On Behalf Of Alan Winston - >>SSRL Central Computing >>Sent: 22 March 2003 14:49 >>To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU >>Subject: Offa's Dyke / Oswestry Square >> >> >>ECDers -- >> >>I'm interested in instructions for the dance that goes with the tune >>"Offa's >>Dyke" in Barnes; an alternate title is "Oswestry Square." (Incidentally, >>plugging "Oswestry Square" into Google - using the quotes - gets some >>interesting and unexpected results.) >> >>This would seem to have been published in the Pat Shaw "Four Welsh Barn >>Dances" book. Is this in print? >> >>Thanks for any (true and/or amusing) info. >> >>-- Alan >> >> >>============================================================================ >>=== >> Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU >> Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: >>650/926-3056 >> Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA >>94025 >>============================================================================ >>=== >> >> >> >> > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTXR801CKE91WCL5-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:54:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HCB00C01GEDKQ-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:54:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HCB00C1IGED94-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:54:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 17:56:48 +0000 From: trev Subject: Fw: Clawdd Offa - Offa's Dyke or Oswestry Square Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <005201c2f2f8$07dc8960$a33b0751-AT-trevormo> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU When living in Wales, I often danced this dance, at Twmpaths (Barn Dances) and also in some Welsh display teams, (one - "The Cardiff Folk Dancer's" was run by Roy & Pat Hurman, before Roys death). The normal way in Wales for the circle was slip to the left and kick right foot across in front of the left leg, stamping the right heel on the ground as we hopped once on the left foot, in the last bar. At the end of slipping back to the right there was never a stamp, kick or anything else!! Just both feet together on the floor ready for the leading couple to cross the set, everyone else staying in place. I think you will find that in most of the older Welsh publications there is not mention of much! For example, have a look in "The Nantgarw Dances" at how little explanation there is for some really complicated dances. This also seemed to follow with the Pat Shaw leaflets - he was only describing the pattern, but not the style of dancing. (The Welsh knew their style of dancing, so never wrote it down.) I think you will find most of the leaflets are still in print, as well as some very new publications which also include these dances. Look at http://www.welshfolkdance.org.uk/ The leaflet that Nic has in front of him is still available for 75 pence (0.75 GB Pounds) Check out the Welsh Folk Dance Society website for lots more information - it is English and Welsh. Trevor Monson > > > Alan, > > Don't know where Mike Barraclough got his version with A1 & 2 > repeated at > > the end. I have the original Cymdeithas Ddawns Werin Cymru leaflet > open in > > front of me, copyright 27 - iii - 1967 > > > > "A1 All to the centre and back and do-si-do partners > > > > A2 All that again > > > > B1 Weaving: 1st couple pass each other and go outside the next > person, > > inside the next etc, weaving out and in until they meet behind the 3rd > > couple. They then lead back between that couple across the set to > > places > > > > B2 Circle left and right > > > > C1 Figure 8: 1st couple lead across the set, cross between 3rd couple > > and dance a figure of 8 round them > > > > C2 Swing: all swing partners, 1st couple swinging across the set back > to > > their own places > > > > Repeat the dance three more times for the 2nd, 3rd and 4th > couples to > > lead the figure > > > > This dance was devised by GWYN WILLIAMS, BANGOR." > > > > The kick referred to at the end of the ring is not mentioned as I > think it is > > a standard Welsh step when circling left and right (as also practised > by some > > Scottish country dancers, but in their case it is much higher and very > much > > across the body) > > > > Hope this helps - could fax or send a photocopy if required. I do not > think > > the leaflet is still in print, but will enquire > > > > The other three dances in the leaflet are "Ffarwel i'r Marian" > (Farewell to > > the Shore) (NOT Farewell Marion, as so often erroneously quoted!!!) > arranged > > by Gwyn Williams; Dawns y Pistill - Waterfall Waltz (Pat Shaw's 1966 > > National Eisteddfod prizewinning Twmpath Dance; and Cylch y > Cymry - Welsh > > Council, devised by Roy Hurman > > > > One other odd thing is the marked similarity to Walsh's "Oswestry > Wake", > > instructions for which are in the CD booklet with the CD "A Walsh > Ball" by > > The Assembly Players, where the formation is longways, but the figures > pretty > > well the same; and this despite the statement "This dance was DEVISED > by > > ....."! > > > Nicolas > > > > Nicolas B., Lanark, Scotland > > HREF="http://www.nicolasbroadbridge.com">http://www.nicolasbroadbridge.c > om > > > > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 17/03/03 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 17/03/03 --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KTYAPPKT3Y91WUF5-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 25 Mar 2003 19:12:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HCC000016889Q-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 25 Mar 2003 19:12:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HCC00M45688LO-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Tue, 25 Mar 2003 19:12:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 22:11:53 -0500 (EST) From: Terence Gaffney Subject: Gary Roodman Saturday, and why we still dance Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Dear Friends, Last Wednesday, as frequent readers of this list know, we celebrated the change of seasons in Boston with our" Goodbye to Winter, Hello to Spring" party. As I was getting things ready that afternoon, I had a sense of dread, knowing that at 8PM a war was likely to start, in which hundreds if not thousands of people would be killed. Does this make any sense? In the end I decided that it did. Wednesday, we were celebrating the start of Spring. But, there is a Spring in human affairs as well. The difference is, that Spring in nature always comes in its season, but the Spring comes in human affairs only if you believe in it. Dancing Wednesday was belief in the sense of connection and right order we find in ECD, a shared connection, offered to anybody joining us on the floor. During this continuing Winter season, lets hold to the connection to become connection. ******************************************************************* In a lighter vein, this is a reminder that this Saturday March 29, Gary Roodman will be leading an evening of his dances at the Concord Scout House, starting at 7:30. I've seen the program and its a wonderful mix of his dances, old and new. Music will be provided by Ken Allen, Doug Creighton and Vince ODonnell. Admission is $10 members, $12 non-members. For directions to the Scout House see our web site http://www.cds-boston.org/ Best, Terry --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KU1CRTETV49204HP-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Thu, 27 Mar 2003 23:43:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HCG00I0184HUS-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Thu, 27 Mar 2003 23:43:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HCG00G8I84HTM-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Thu, 27 Mar 2003 23:43:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 23:43:57 -0800 From: Ric Goldman Subject: WOW! Last minute opportunity to go to the Playford Ball Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ecd-contacts-AT-rgoldman.org Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Hi folks, YES, YOU CAN STILL GET IN! (WOO HOO!) The BACDS Playford Ball: 03/29/03, 6:45p-11p at the Greek Orthodox Cathedral in Oakland, CA (just across the bay from San Francisco) Talk about a great opportunity! The Bay Area Country Dance Society's annual Playford Ball is this Saturday night, and it has just had some special last minutes openings in our registration, so instead of kicking yourself for missing this gala event of dining, dancing, and delight, you can be kicking up your heels on the dance floor instead. Registration for the Ball will be take up thru this Friday's Rehearsal dance, or at the Playford website, along with online directions, dance notes, staff bio, food recipes, and all kinds of information, http://www.bacds.org/playford. If you enjoy English Country Dance (ECD), you DON’T want to miss this opportunity to miss the local ECD community's fancy dress party (come join us at King Arthur's Court!). Let's all make it a Knight to remember. :-) Thanx, Ric Goldman BACDS Playford Committee --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KU1W9KN32891YU8Z-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 28 Mar 2003 09:01:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HCG00701XYETB-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 28 Mar 2003 09:01:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HCG001MGXYEFH-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 28 Mar 2003 09:01:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 12:15:42 -0500 From: "Thomas G. Spilsbury" Subject: This weekend special events in Washington DC/Baltimore area Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <002201c2f54d$a9f9c300$8b6baccf-AT-cable.rcn.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Just a reminder for those of you in striking distance of the Washington DC/Baltimore area, this Saturday and Sunday there are several special events involving Helene Cornelius and Jacqueline Schwab. Details are as follows: Saturday, March 29, in Washington, DC Helene Cornelius will be leading English country dances to the music of Jacqueline Schwab, on solo piano, in Washington, DC. There will be an afternoon workshop and even dance, both of which will be held at: Whitby Gymnasium, Washington Cathedral School, 3106 Woodley Road, NW, Washington, DC Afternoon workshop: 2:30–5:00 pm Evening dance: 8:00–11:00 pm Costs: Afternoon workshop $10 FSGW, BFMS & CDSS members/ $12 Non-members Evening dance $15 FSGW, BFMS & CDSS members/ $17 Non-members Both events $23 FSGW, BFMS & CDSS members/ $26 Non-members For further information, contact Stephanie Smith, 301-229-3577, steph-AT-boo.net Sunday, March 30, in Baltimore, MD Jacqueline Schwab will give a solo concert of Americana music. She will then play for an afternoon of English country dancing lead by Helene Cornelius. Both concert and dance will be held at: St. Marks on the Hill 1620 Reisterstown Road, Baltimore, MD (1/2 mile inside the Baltimore Beltway at exit 20) Concert and Reception: 2:30–4:00 pm English dance: 4:00–6:30 pm Costs: Concert $6 BFMS, FSGW & CDSS members/ $8 Non-members Dance $8 BFMS, FSGW & CDSS members/ $10 Non-members Both events $12 BFMS, FSGW & CDSS members/ $15 Non-members For further information, contact Diane Schmit, 301-330-2021, DSchmit-AT-ix.netcom.com --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KU1ZVDHK5Q91YU8Z-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 28 Mar 2003 10:45:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HCH00I012RIRY-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 28 Mar 2003 10:45:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HCH00EDX2RIY8-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 28 Mar 2003 10:45:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 13:45:06 -0500 (EST) From: David.Millstone-AT-valley.net (David Millstone) Subject: Becket redux Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <25003624-AT-enfield.VALLEY.NET> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU When this group was in midst of our recent minor flurry of interest regarding the origin of Becket formation dances and the history of the name "Becket," I asked the friendly folks at the Becket Athenaeum, the local library, about the origin of the name... I recently received two replies that might be of interest: 1) We actually had to look this up! The bicentennial history of Becket states the following: "Erecting the New Plantation called Number Four in the County of Berkshire into a Town by the name of Becket..." the act signed on June 21, 1765, by the royal governor, Fran Barnard, that is Sir Francis Barnard, who was said to have selected the name for the new Town as the country estates of his family were in Beckett or Bewcott, Berkshire County, England. I hope this answers your question. Not terribly exciting! 2) I'm the liberary director. I remember when I first came around the two elderly ladies who were with the library for nearly 50 years told me they were quite sure it had to do with Thomas A. Becket. Anyway that's what I always tell people who ask. If I find out more I'll let you know. Cheers, David Millstone --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KU21ID2RJG91YP7V-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 28 Mar 2003 11:32:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HCH000014XHRI-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 28 Mar 2003 11:32:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HCH00KFW4XGQV-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 28 Mar 2003 11:32:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 14:32:06 -0500 From: Campbell Kaynor Subject: Re: Becket in recent contras Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Until the mid to late '70s in western MA, souther VT and NH, we always called the dance, the set formation, and the figure "Bucksaw" and it was the only dance I ever did at that time with that figure. Later as I began dancing more in the Boston area I heard caller's use "Becket" and it took me a while to figure out they meant the same thing. (I still use Bucksaw as more visually descriptive of the figure). Is it possible that Larry or whomever, decided to promote "Becket Reel" in order to distinguish this dance from the plethera of others being written with the figure, and "Becket formation" to remind us of the prototype dance? (I trust the figure is still called "Bucksaw.)" Cammy --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KU26WS7G4Y920RFY-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 28 Mar 2003 14:06:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HCH00F01C2T9C-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 28 Mar 2003 14:06:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HCH00BFDC2SV0-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 28 Mar 2003 14:06:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 22:06:27 +0000 From: Michael Barraclough Subject: RE: Becket in recent contras Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <000401c2f576$483e8c80$0300a8c0-AT-ntworld.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Cammy wrote Is it possible that Larry or whomever, decided to promote "Becket Reel" in order to distinguish this dance from the plethera of others being written with the figure, and "Becket formation" to remind us of the prototype dance? (I trust the figure is still called "Bucksaw.)" Forgive my ignorance, but which figure is the "Bucksaw"? Michael Barraclough http://www.mab.tgis.co.uk --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KU27ID8EOC920RFY-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 28 Mar 2003 14:23:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HCH00G01CVTV7-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 28 Mar 2003 14:23:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HCH00BK5CVSV1-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 28 Mar 2003 14:23:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 17:23:36 -0500 From: Campbell Kaynor Subject: RE: Becket in recent contras Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Bucksaw is a right and left (ECD 2 changes of a circ. hey) with the couple diagonally left and then again with the new couple straight across. The net effect is to progress the longways set, one couple's-worth to the left (counter clockwise). From the balcony in the South Amherst library, the visual of the couples crossing the set on the left diagonal and then straight across certainly looks like saw teeth. CK Michael Barraclough cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: Becket in recent contras owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.S TANFORD.EDU 28-Mar-2003 05:06 PM Please respond to ECD Cammy wrote Is it possible that Larry or whomever, decided to promote "Becket Reel" in order to distinguish this dance from the plethera of others being written with the figure, and "Becket formation" to remind us of the prototype dance? (I trust the figure is still called "Bucksaw.)" Forgive my ignorance, but which figure is the "Bucksaw"? Michael Barraclough http://www.mab.tgis.co.uk --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KU28ZY9A8W920RFY-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 28 Mar 2003 15:06:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HCH00K01EUIOW-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 28 Mar 2003 15:06:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HCH00H8PEUIRA-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 28 Mar 2003 15:06:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 23:06:14 +0000 From: Michael Barraclough Subject: RE: Becket in recent contras Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <000001c2f57e$a20c6180$0300a8c0-AT-ntworld.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Ok - I guessed that was what it was, but wasn't sure. I can't be specific but I can recollect doing lots of dances with that diagonal left and then straight across movement. Some have rights and lefts, some have ladies chains some have reels. I don't think I have ever heard the figure called "Bucksaw". Michael Barraclough http://www.mab.tgis.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU [mailto:owner-ecd-AT-ssrl04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU] On Behalf Of Campbell Kaynor Sent: 28 March 2003 22:24 To: ECD-AT-ssrl04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Subject: RE: Becket in recent contras Bucksaw is a right and left (ECD 2 changes of a circ. hey) with the couple diagonally left and then again with the new couple straight across. The net effect is to progress the longways set, one couple's-worth to the left (counter clockwise). From the balcony in the South Amherst library, the visual of the couples crossing the set on the left diagonal and then straight across certainly looks like saw teeth. CK Michael Barraclough cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: Becket in recent contras owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.S TANFORD.EDU 28-Mar-2003 05:06 PM Please respond to ECD Cammy wrote Is it possible that Larry or whomever, decided to promote "Becket Reel" in order to distinguish this dance from the plethera of others being written with the figure, and "Becket formation" to remind us of the prototype dance? (I trust the figure is still called "Bucksaw.)" Forgive my ignorance, but which figure is the "Bucksaw"? Michael Barraclough http://www.mab.tgis.co.uk --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KU2AGFTAX6920RFY-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 28 Mar 2003 15:47:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HCH00001GRQVR-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 28 Mar 2003 15:47:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HCH00HM6GRQRA-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Fri, 28 Mar 2003 15:47:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 18:47:41 -0500 From: Campbell Kaynor Subject: RE: Bucksaw in contras Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Dear Michael Barraclough, There are many contras these days that have diagonal figures - as you say, Ladies Chains, Heys, and Rights and Lefts - but in the early '70s when I started contradancing, Bucksaw is the only one that was called with any regularity at the dances I frequented. I think the dance probably anticipated popular taste in that it eliminates the disparity between "actives" and "inactives" and it involves considerable partner interaction because one's partner seems to be closer at hand when they progress along the sides of the set with you rather than in parallel on the other side. (I said it anticipated the popular taste, because Herbie Gaudreau had stopped calling some time before I started dancing and it was considered an "odd" dance rather than a "favorite" in 1972. Later in the '70s it become a favorite). In the mid '70s, I wrote quite a few dances in this vein that were very well received and there have been countless others since. In my part of New England in the '60s and '70s, the Right and Left 4 (4 changes of the hey) and Right and Left through (2 changes) were done without hands and in a very un-circular fashion. Simply cross the set, passing right shoulder with the person opposite, then wheel (or courtesy turn) with your neighbor. (Often this latter wheel-as-a-pair is done without touching, but shoulder-to-shoulder, wheeling to face back). The reason I am telling you this is that I feel that not only the progression, but the bucksaw figure itself anticipated a trend in contradancing style/taste. I remember feeling that the Right and Left 4 was a rather boring figure and the way we did it required fewer steps than the music allowed so it was difficult to get unmusical dancers to phrase it properly especially in the crowded dance halls. We tried all sorts of embellishments like wheeling once and a half, or wheeling once round and backing up back through to place, but nothing felt right enough to take over as the predominant style. On the other hand, bucksaw added spice to the figure and the progression on the diagonal seemed to use up more of the music so it was easier to phrase. Just my take on the figure and I'll say no more as it is off ECD topic, Cammy --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KU31E8X0I2920NVH-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sat, 29 Mar 2003 04:39:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HCI00D01GHXVX-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sat, 29 Mar 2003 04:39:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HCI00D1EGHXFI-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sat, 29 Mar 2003 04:39:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 04:24:19 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Thanks for Offa's Dyke / Oswestry Square info Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <01KU31E13LOW91XVK7-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ECDers -- Thanks very much to Michael, Diane, Paul, Trevor, David, Nic (and Bruce, off-list) for that very full response to my request for info on Offa's Dyke / Oswestry Square. I'm grateful to you all, and I now have enough info to consider calling the dance at a ceilidh here. My interest is especially piqued by Trevor's pointer to the Welsh Folk Dance Society website, which has a number of publications which appear to be of considerable interest. I'll have to email them and find out about ordering from outside the UK. (I can't tell whether the stuff that includes material published in Walsh, Playford, etc, is the same sort of retrospective geographical positioning seen in _Kentish Hops_, where dances with names suggesting Kentish geography or activities become "Kentish" dances, but in any case there are also publications of dances performed at fairs, etc. I could clearly blow way too much money ordering stuff from them.) I'm interested to learn that the tune Barnes has is given in the original publication as "The Cowslip"; it specifies "any 48-bar jig or reel." Nic's observation that "Oswestry Square" is a lot like Walsh's "Oswestry Wake" is interesting. I happen to be looking at A. Simon's interpretation (of Playford's 1728 publication of the dance) - turned into a three couple longways - and it also bears some strong conceptual similarities - 48-bar jig, A2 action repeats A1, a sort of weaving figure followed by a circle -- but I think the kinetics are substantially different, that is, that it wouldn't feel the same. Thanks all. -- Alan =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KU37N6BFVG920NVH-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sat, 29 Mar 2003 07:38:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HCI00J01OS9IY-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sat, 29 Mar 2003 07:38:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HCI00I3ROS9N0-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sat, 29 Mar 2003 07:38:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 07:38:23 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Pearl Subject: Re: Becket redux Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <20030329153823.11976.qmail-AT-web12305.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Timely that David Millstone has revived this subject, as just two days ago I received an answer to my inquiry about the origin of the name "Beckett" (the English estate, which gave rise to "Becket", the Massachusetts town). My inquiry (or should I say "enquiry") was with Rachel Daniels, the librarian of the miliary school which now resides in the reconstructed manor house (Beckett House) on campus. Here is what she wrote: ----- snip ------- The name Beckett, as with many other ancient place names, has evolved over the years. It was Becote in the 11th Century, Buccot or Bockate in the 13th, Bewcott and Bowcote in the 17th, and did not emerge as Beckett until the 18th century! The de Becote family, granted ownership by the King, held the manor until 1424. The house then seemed to change hands fairly frequently until it was sold to Sir Henry Marten in 1633. It was left to his son Harry who by all accounts was a bit of a character - he had large debts and sold off parts of the estate to pay them off. His signature can also be found on the death warrant of King Charles I in 1649. He got his come-uppence in the end with the Restoration and spent his final days in Chepstow Castle! His family are still around though - quite by chance a descendant of his is currently a student here at the college!!! The building we now use as a library dates from c1834 when the house and estate were in the hands of the Barrington family. ------ snip ------- If anyone is interested, she also enclosed a brief piece about the history of the Beckett manor house. Just ask, and I shall email it to you. Dan Pearl __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KU37UN67PG920NVH-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sat, 29 Mar 2003 07:44:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HCI00J01P2AQV-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sat, 29 Mar 2003 07:44:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HCI00DLRP2AFI-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sat, 29 Mar 2003 07:44:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 15:41:08 +0000 From: trev Subject: Re: Thanks for Offa's Dyke / Oswestry Square info Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: <000401c2f60a$9a5717a0$d8380751-AT-trevormo> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <01KU31E13LOW91XVK7-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Alan said: > My interest is especially piqued by Trevor's pointer to the Welsh Folk Dance > Society website, which has a number of publications which appear to be of > considerable interest. I'll have to email them and find out about ordering > from outside the UK. > The Welsh have some lovely dances - some being the "Llangadfan" dances that were found in Wales, with the USA format, but with a "Round-O" between each figure. Pat Shaw based his "Ty Cock Caerdydd" (Red House of Cardiff) and "Sawdl Y Fuwch" (The Cowslip) on these dances, and they are often danced in England at English dances. However, the Llangadfan dances show where he got the figures from. And, if I have got it right, I don't think these dances have been found in any other old manuscripts/publications, but I am not a historian. Other dances that are nothing like ECD are the Nantgarw Dances (Nantgarw is a small village near Cardiff) and these display type dances were mainly danced on holidays and fair days (Caerphilly Fair) mainly to make money for the dancers to buy drink (akin to the Morris dancers of today!) I think. If you do get the books, the detail is very, very thin. But, quick advert coming up, Cymdeithas Ddawns Werin Cymru (The Welsh Folk Dance Society) have produced 2 video tapes of Welsh dances (12 on the first, 14 on the second). These really show the best of Welsh dancing, and are well worth having. It could be worth checking to see if they are available in American format - I think they may be. Watching the videos and reading the notation of the same dance can easily use up a few hours! There is a wide variety of dances on these videos, ranging from the simple Twmpath (Barn Dance) through the Llanover, Llangadfan and modern dances (closest to ECD in my opinion), to the Nantgarw display dances On the video Abergenny is exactly the same as described in the "Country Dance Book New Series" by the Kennedys' in 1929, which is the same as later published by CDWC, and not as in the Colin Hume version, which appears to be nearer to the Playford version. But watching it danced, and listening to the music of this one dance alone is worth the price of the video. And then to be able to watch "Dawns Y Pelau" - one of the Nantgarw dances, danced by Dawnswyr Nantgarw - a team I used to dance with before moving back to Yorkshire (I'm not biased am I?!!) throwing balls up in the air, connected to elastic, all the time while dancing it, has to be seen to be believed! But, as I said before, the printed instructions in the books are minimal. So, I hope that's enough of an appetiser for what is produced. As this is slightly off topic (or is it?) if Alan or anyone would like any further information that you can't get from the website, please contact me, and I will try and help. Trevor Monson --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 17/03/03 --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ) Return-path: Received: from smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (smtp1.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.18.82]) by SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V6.2 #37667) with ESMTP id <01KU3PU7IL1I921S91-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for winston-AT-SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sat, 29 Mar 2003 16:19:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.smtp1.slac.stanford.edu by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) id <0HCJ00I01CWPAF-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sat, 29 Mar 2003 16:19:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu [134.79.33.14]) by smtp1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V6.1-1 #37665) with SMTP id <0HCJ00AMQCWOBP-AT-smtp1.slac.stanford.edu> for winston-AT-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu (ORCPT winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU); Sat, 29 Mar 2003 16:19:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 19:19:20 -0500 (EST) From: SallenNic-AT-aol.com Subject: Re: ECD Digest V1 #1363 Sender: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: owner-ecd-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Warnings-to: <> Reply-to: ECD-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Original-recipient: rfc822;winston-AT-SSRL01.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU In a message dated 29/3/03 3:01:24 pm, system-AT-PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes: << (I can't tell whether the stuff that includes material published in Walsh, Playford, etc, is the same sort of retrospective geographical positioning seen in _Kentish Hops_, where dances with names suggesting Kentish geography or activities become "Kentish" dances, >> Yes, when the Welsh Folk Dance Society were starting up, it was pat Shaw's suggestion to them that they should take a leaf out of the SCD's book, and use dances with titles suggesting a Welsh connection! He then offered them a number he had come across in his researches. Later, of course, he did the same thing for the NVS (Dutch Folk Dance Society) with his "Holland as seen in the English Country Dance. <> The transcription given in the Walsh Ball booklet is mine, and is for a 4 couple longways set. There are, of course, Bert Simons' 3 couple version and Lois Blake's Longways version (6 couples suggested), published in "Welch Whim". Nicolas B., Lanark, Scotland http://www.nicolasbroadbridge.com --Boundary_(ID_2BsqTbyGQEIfu+924BulvQ)--