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   I've been asked to step in and be a last minute replacement at a
conference next week and lead an all day workshop on historical dance
and also lead a ball in the evening.  This is for the Midwest Open Air
Museums Coordinating Council.  This is an organization of historical sites
where the volunteers dress and act the parts of historical people.  I will
be using recorded music for the workshop so I think I have that covered.
However they have hired a band for the ball who play primarily old-time
string band music with Irish leanings.  From speaking to the band leader
I'm pretty sure they are unlikely to know any of the tunes for the dances
I might like to do and while I've sent them some music the time is just
too short for them to do much about learning new stuff.  So it looks like
I will be making do with what they know.  Only a fraction of the people
attending the conference will be attending my workshop since there are
several others going on at the same time, so I will need to plan a program
for the ball to suit a mostly inexperienced croud.  I hope to do at least
a few authentic period (early to mid 1800's) dances, but for the most
part I'll be using dances that give the flavor of the dances of the time.
If this was billed as a barn dance or something similar, and was taking
place in a barn, I wouldn't be as concerned.  However it's billed as a ball
and is being held in a historic hotel built in the 1850s, so I intend to
shoot for a more elegant type of program.

   My questions are does anyone have any suggestions for tunes that the
band might know that would go with more elegant dances which I can suggest
to them and/or any suggestions for dances which will go well with old-time
music, but have an elegant feel?  If I had a few smooth tunes and bouncy
tunes I could suggest, it would be a big help.  Here are a few of the dances
I'm considering; Waterfall Waltz, Cumberland Square Dance, La Russe, Portland
Fancy, Haste to the Wedding, Jefferson's Reel and Gay Gordons.  I would love
to be able to do The Wood Duck, The Duke of Kent's Waltz, Freeford Gardens
and some others like them, but I'm not so sure how well they will go with
tunes the band is likely to know.  I also have some quadrilles I would like
to use which have their own tunes, but I'm not sure what to suggest to the
band.  As I said some suggestions for bouncy and smooth old-time and Irish
tunes would be very helpful.  Also any suggestions for dances I might be
overlooking and that I should consider would be welcome.

   This is the sort of event I would love to have 6 months to prepare for
so I could do some research and find dances which are authentic as well as
accessible and give the band time to prepare the music.  However I've
got less than a week so none of that is really possible and we'll just have
to make do with dances I know and tunes the band knows and hope it comes
together OK.

   Thanks for any suggestions.

Jonathan

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Toss in the Virginia Reel...always a winner and work with about any kind of 
tune.

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Mike Mudrey writes:
> 
> 
> Toss in the Virginia Reel...always a winner and work with about any kind of 
> tune.

   I should have thought of that one.  I'm calling the local contra dance
tonight so I haven't actually started planning for this event, I'll start
on it tomorrow.  Thanks.

Jonathan

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----- Original Message -----
From: Jonathan Sivier <j-sivier-AT-
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<<If I had a few smooth tunes and bouncy
tunes I could suggest, it would be a big help.  Here are a few of the dances
I'm considering; Waterfall Waltz, Cumberland Square Dance, La Russe,
Portland
Fancy, Haste to the Wedding, Jefferson's Reel and Gay Gordons.  I would love
to be able to do The Wood Duck, The Duke of Kent's Waltz, Freeford Gardens
and some others like them, but I'm not so sure how well they will go with
tunes the band is likely to know.  I also have some quadrilles I would like
to use which have their own tunes, but I'm not sure what to suggest to the
band.  As I said some suggestions for bouncy and smooth old-time and Irish
tunes would be very helpful.  Also any suggestions for dances I might be
overlooking and that I should consider would be welcome.>>

You probably could do "Fenterlarick" to a lot of old-time tunes; I'd guess
it'd go very nicely with, for example, "Nail That Catfish to a Tree". "Knole
Park" also has the right structure and feel for an old-time tune, maybe not
one of the super-wild ones but one of the smoother ones. "Going Down to
Cairo", perhaps. And, of course, you can do Duke of Kent's to any standard
32-bar waltz; "Tombigbee Waltz" with no repeats is a good possibility. Even
better, perhaps, might be "Westphalia Waltz", again with no repeats.

Peace,
Paul

   This is the sort of event I would love to have 6 months to prepare for
so I could do some research and find dances which are authentic as well as
accessible and give the band time to prepare the music.  However I've
got less than a week so none of that is really possible and we'll just have
to make do with dances I know and tunes the band knows and hope it comes
together OK.

   Thanks for any suggestions.

Jonathan

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Paul Stamler writes:
> 
> You probably could do "Fenterlarick" to a lot of old-time tunes; I'd guess
> it'd go very nicely with, for example, "Nail That Catfish to a Tree". "Knole
> Park" also has the right structure and feel for an old-time tune, maybe not
> one of the super-wild ones but one of the smoother ones. "Going Down to
> Cairo", perhaps. And, of course, you can do Duke of Kent's to any standard
> 32-bar waltz; "Tombigbee Waltz" with no repeats is a good possibility. Even
> better, perhaps, might be "Westphalia Waltz", again with no repeats.

   I actually did the Waterfall Waltz dance to the tune Tombigbee Waltz
last year.  It worked out quite well.  Thanks for the suggestions.

Jonathan

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I should have thought even further!!
I have a mixed Vintage (Civil War)/ECD event to call at the beginning of 
December in Stoughton, Wisconsin...their Victorian Winter Holidays!

I am starting with Duke of Kent (Victoria's father) and ending with Wood 
Duck (a local water fowl!!)  Won't tell the crowd when Wood Duck was written!!

Best of luck, Jonathan...mm



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>Mike Mudrey writes:
> >
> >
> > Toss in the Virginia Reel...always a winner and work with about any 
> kind of
> > tune.
>
>    I should have thought of that one.  I'm calling the local contra dance
>tonight so I haven't actually started planning for this event, I'll start
>on it tomorrow.  Thanks.
>
>Jonathan

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<font size=3>I should have thought even further!!<br>
I have a mixed Vintage (Civil War)/ECD event to call at the beginning of
December in Stoughton, Wisconsin...their Victorian Winter
Holidays!<br><br>
I am starting with Duke of Kent (Victoria's father) and ending with Wood
Duck (a local water fowl!!)&nbsp; Won't tell the crowd when Wood Duck was
written!!<br><br>
Best of luck, Jonathan...mm<br><br>
<br><br>
At 10:34 AM 11/1/02 -0600, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>Mike Mudrey writes:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Toss in the Virginia Reel...always a winner and work with about any
kind of <br>
&gt; tune.<br><br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; I should have thought of that one.&nbsp; I'm calling the
local contra dance<br>
tonight so I haven't actually started planning for this event, I'll
start<br>
on it tomorrow.&nbsp; Thanks.<br><br>
Jonathan</font></blockquote></html>

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Mike Mudrey writes:
> 
> I should have thought even further!!
> I have a mixed Vintage (Civil War)/ECD event to call at the beginning of 
> December in Stoughton, Wisconsin...their Victorian Winter Holidays!
> 
> I am starting with Duke of Kent (Victoria's father) and ending with Wood 
> Duck (a local water fowl!!)  Won't tell the crowd when Wood Duck was written!!

   Is that event open to the public?  If so can you send me some info and
I'll pass it on to the people at the workshop and ball next week.  This
event is being held in Galena, IL, not too far from you I think.  In fact
I think I was told at least one of the band members is from Madison.

Jonathan

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Will do...is open the public...

http://www.stoughtonwi.com/VictorianHoliday.htm

This is all I have at this time..

Date: Friday, December 6th
Time: 8-11 p.m.
Place: Tobacco Junction Warehouse (on Main St. near the Depot) Format: They 
plan a 3-part evening.

The first hour will be ballroom dancing, taught and led by one of the dance 
instructors at Colleen Kehl's dance school here. Music will be provided by 
Stoughton High School strings players.

The second hour is uncertain, probably some group from the UW, but Colleen 
doesn't know exactly what yet.

The third hour will be the ECD/Civil War era social dance, led by you and 
with music by me and Maria.
So we're looking at one hour, which I see would include 4-5 dances from a 
mid-19th century English/American tradition.

Mostly what we're all hoping is that people who enjoy ECD and dressing up 
and some ballroom dancing will come for the whole
thing.

mm

At 10:54 AM 11/1/02 -0600, you wrote:
>Mike Mudrey writes:
> >
> > I should have thought even further!!
> > I have a mixed Vintage (Civil War)/ECD event to call at the beginning of
> > December in Stoughton, Wisconsin...their Victorian Winter Holidays!
> >
> > I am starting with Duke of Kent (Victoria's father) and ending with Wood
> > Duck (a local water fowl!!)  Won't tell the crowd when Wood Duck was 
> written!!
>
>    Is that event open to the public?  If so can you send me some info and
>I'll pass it on to the people at the workshop and ball next week.  This
>event is being held in Galena, IL, not too far from you I think.  In fact
>I think I was told at least one of the band members is from Madison.
>
>Jonathan

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<font size=3>Will do...is open the public...<br><br>
<a href="http://www.stoughtonwi.com/VictorianHoliday.htm" eudora="autourl">http://www.stoughtonwi.com/VictorianHoliday.htm</a><br><br>
This is all I have at this time..<br><br>
<i>Date: Friday, December 6th <br>
Time: 8-11 p.m. <br>
Place: Tobacco Junction Warehouse (on Main St. near the Depot) Format:
They plan a 3-part evening. <br><br>
The first hour will be ballroom dancing, taught and led by one of the
dance instructors at Colleen Kehl's dance school here. Music will be
provided by Stoughton High School strings players. <br><br>
The second hour is uncertain, probably some group from the UW, but
Colleen doesn't know exactly what yet. <br><br>
The third hour will be the ECD/Civil War era social dance, led by you and
with music by me and Maria.<br>
So we're looking at one hour, which I see would include 4-5 dances from a
mid-19th century English/American tradition. <br><br>
Mostly what we're all hoping is that people who enjoy ECD and dressing up
and some ballroom dancing will come for the whole <br>
thing. <br><br>
</i>mm<br><br>
At 10:54 AM 11/1/02 -0600, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>Mike Mudrey writes:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I should have thought even further!!<br>
&gt; I have a mixed Vintage (Civil War)/ECD event to call at the
beginning of <br>
&gt; December in Stoughton, Wisconsin...their Victorian Winter
Holidays!<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I am starting with Duke of Kent (Victoria's father) and ending with
Wood <br>
&gt; Duck (a local water fowl!!)&nbsp; Won't tell the crowd when Wood
Duck was written!!<br><br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; Is that event open to the public?&nbsp; If so can you send
me some info and<br>
I'll pass it on to the people at the workshop and ball next week.&nbsp;
This<br>
event is being held in Galena, IL, not too far from you I think.&nbsp; In
fact<br>
I think I was told at least one of the band members is from
Madison.<br><br>
Jonathan</font></blockquote></html>

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I once used a home-grown variant of Galopede in an American music class I 
taught once and used a vintage recording of  Irish fiddlers for the music.  
It's like the Virginia Reel, I suppose, but it might suit the occasion.

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Orly Krasner writes:
> 
> I once used a home-grown variant of Galopede in an American music class I 
> taught once and used a vintage recording of  Irish fiddlers for the music.  
> It's like the Virginia Reel, I suppose, but it might suit the occasion.

   Thanks.  That's another one I have done before, but hadn't put on my list.
I'll add it now.

Jonathan

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How about Margaret's Waltz?  

B.


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> > 
> > I once used a home-grown variant of Galopede in an American music
> class I 
> > taught once and used a vintage recording of  Irish fiddlers for
> the music.  
> > It's like the Virginia Reel, I suppose, but it might suit the
> occasion.
> 
>    Thanks.  That's another one I have done before, but hadn't put
> on my list.
> I'll add it now.
> 
> Jonathan
> 


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Actually, this is Allen...
   Seeing Dawn Culbertson's posting regarding Bouzer Castle reminds
me...does anyone have the dance instructions for "The Charming Maid", which
has a rattling good tune which Brass Monkey put on one of their CDs?  I
gather it's a 3-couple dance.
  Also, does anyone know of a dance "Jig by Greenland" or a title like
that?  In Vic Gammon's Sussex Tune Book there is a jig by that name which
sounds like it must have its origins in some 18th-century published ECD.
Another great tune, would be fun to dance to.

Allen Dodson
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It is interesting that you would want to include modern dances when the 
intention, as I understood it, was "to give a flavour of the period". 
Waterfall Waltz, Margaret's Waltz, Freeford Gardens and the Wood Duck 
are all modern dances.

Graham Knight

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> How about Margaret's Waltz?
>
> B.
>
>
> --- Jonathan Sivier <j-sivier-AT-
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>>>
>>> I once used a home-grown variant of Galopede in an American music
>> class I
>>> taught once and used a vintage recording of  Irish fiddlers for
>> the music.
>>> It's like the Virginia Reel, I suppose, but it might suit the
>> occasion.
>>
>>    Thanks.  That's another one I have done before, but hadn't put
>> on my list.
>> I'll add it now.
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
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We recently attended an advanced dance workshop and the following 
thoughts occurred to us. We would be really interested to hear what 
other dancersí thoughts are ñ here are a few of our preliminary 
questions:

Why run an "advanced dancers" workshop?
Who wants to attend?
What constitutes an "advanced" dancer?
How do you get the right dancers there?
How do they self-assess their capabilities? (As it appears that only 
GUSTO offers structured training, how would they know what they need to 
know?)
What does a participant expect to get from such a series of workshops?
What sort of dances would the tutor include?
As none of the usual material, presumably, is likely to be particularly 
challenging, to someone who is an advanced dancer what should be 
included in the programme?
How does the tutor sustain the dancers' interest? (e.g. pace, 
involvement, application, creativity)
Are comments on finesse appropriate - or are "advanced dancers" by 
definition thinking dancers?

Any comments? The views of our trans-Atlantic dancers would be most 
welcome as well as those from this side of the pond!

Wendy & Graham Knight

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Might one ask how one does "a light strathspey" step. On this side of 
the Pond it is usually done, when it is done, with a 1-2-3-hop step. I 
say when it is done because it is usually played fairly fast and most 
dancers these days do not have age and fitness on their side to cope 
with the dance.

Graham Knight

On Friday, October 25, 2002, at 01:19 AM, Alan Winston - SSRL Central 
Computing wrote:
>
> Chris Sackett of Ashland taught the dance with "a light strathspey" step
> (demonstrated very clearly) in my presence, and I found the dance 
> pleasant
> enough but it didn't enter my repertoire.  I don't know whether it's a 
> regular
> part of his.
>
> -- Alan
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For your information Wendy's e-mail address is 
wendy-AT-
gcknight.demon.co.uk. If had realised she is now married.

Also out of a matter of curiosity, where did you get your instructions 
for the dance from. Copies of Further Flights of Fancy are still 
available as are copies of her book Flights of Fancy. She has also put 
together a limited collection of her dances which she has submitted to 
the Sussex Folk Harvest, an annual competition for writers of social, 
ritual, traditional dances and song. Her dances have won 6 times out of 
the 13 entries she has submitted. If you would like more details of 
these please send us an e-mail.

Graham Knight

On Tuesday, October 22, 2002, at 01:34 PM, John Wood wrote:

> Hi, Dancers:
>  
> I need help on the first 8 bars of "Winter Solstice."
>  
> I do not have Wendy Crouch's e-mail address [if she has
> one] so intrude here to ask:
>  
> While the 1st, Centre, and 3rd Couples are dancing a
> Grimstock hey the Sides are:
>  
> dancing Sharp siding, set and turn single [twice; over and
> back again].
>  
> I find from these instructions too much material for 8 bars
> of music, i.e. 4 steps siding, 4 steps setting and 4 steps
> turn single x 2 = 24 steps -- not 16 for 8 bars.
>  
> How come? Where do I go wrong?
>  
> Thank you in advance for your help.
>  
> Regards, John
>  
> Bedford, Nova Scotia
>  

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For your information Wendy's e-mail address is
wendy-AT-
gcknight.demon.co.uk. If had realised she is now married.


Also out of a matter of curiosity, where did you get your instructions
for the dance from. Copies of Further Flights of Fancy are still
available as are copies of her book Flights of Fancy. She has also put
together a limited collection of her dances which she has submitted to
the Sussex Folk Harvest, an annual competition for writers of social,
ritual, traditional dances and song. Her dances have won 6 times out
of the 13 entries she has submitted. If you would like more details of
these please send us an e-mail.


Graham Knight


On Tuesday, October 22, 2002, at 01:34 PM, John Wood wrote:


<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>Hi, Dancers:</smaller></fontfamily>

 

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>I need help on the first 8
bars of "Winter Solstice."</smaller></fontfamily>

 

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>I do not have Wendy Crouch's
e-mail address [if she has</smaller></fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>one] so intrude here to ask:</smaller></fontfamily>

 

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>While the 1st, Centre, and
3rd Couples are dancing a</smaller></fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>Grimstock hey the Sides are:</smaller></fontfamily>

 

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>dancing Sharp siding, set and
turn single [twice; over and</smaller></fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>back again].</smaller></fontfamily>

 

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>I find from these
instructions too much material for 8 bars</smaller></fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>of music, i.e. 4 steps
siding, 4 steps setting and 4 steps</smaller></fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>turn single x 2 = 24 steps --
not 16 for 8 bars.</smaller></fontfamily>

 

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>How come? Where do I go wrong?</smaller></fontfamily>

 

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>Thank you in advance for your
help.</smaller></fontfamily>

 

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>Regards, John</smaller></fontfamily>

 

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>Bedford, Nova Scotia</smaller></fontfamily>

 

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Hi Wendy & Graham,

Why did you attend the advanced dance workshop - and did you both attend
for the same reasons?
Did you attend to learn, or to dance with other people you hoped could
dance to some arbitrary standard?
Did you attend to do dances that you don't do very often, if ever, or to
learn (up to display standard - for want of a better word) easier dances
inside out.
Did you go because you have confidence in the tutors - had you heard of
them before?
Should advanced dancers stand out from the crowd - or fit in and be
unobtrusive with the rest of their set/ the rest of the room?

Just a few instant thoughts - what are your thoughts on the above?  I'm
sure most people on the list could write an essay on each of your
questions - and may be some will!!

Trev (Monson)



> We recently attended an advanced dance workshop and the following
> thoughts occurred to us. We would be really interested to hear what
> other dancersí thoughts are ñ here are a few of our preliminary
> questions:
>
> Why run an "advanced dancers" workshop?
> Who wants to attend?
> What constitutes an "advanced" dancer?
> How do you get the right dancers there?
> How do they self-assess their capabilities? (As it appears that only
> GUSTO offers structured training, how would they know what they need
to
> know?)
> What does a participant expect to get from such a series of workshops?
> What sort of dances would the tutor include?
> As none of the usual material, presumably, is likely to be
particularly
> challenging, to someone who is an advanced dancer what should be
> included in the programme?
> How does the tutor sustain the dancers' interest? (e.g. pace,
> involvement, application, creativity)
> Are comments on finesse appropriate - or are "advanced dancers" by
> definition thinking dancers?
>
> Any comments? The views of our trans-Atlantic dancers would be most
> welcome as well as those from this side of the pond!
>
> Wendy & Graham Knight
>
>
>


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Graham Knight wrote:

> Might one ask how one does "a light strathspey" step. On this side of
> the Pond it is usually done, when it is done, with a 1-2-3-hop step. I
> say when it is done because it is usually played fairly fast and most
> dancers these days do not have age and fitness on their side to cope
> with the dance.

It was a couple of years ago, and I remember hearing "a light strathspey" and
thinking "huh?" and then appreciating the demo.  I should probably let Chris or
Brooke, who are subscribed, explain, but what I recall was that it was a
strathspey that stayed up, with no big knee bend.

(Have I confused everyone now?)

-- Alan


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Graham Knight writes:
> 
> It is interesting that you would want to include modern dances when the 
> intention, as I understood it, was "to give a flavour of the period". 
> Waterfall Waltz, Margaret's Waltz, Freeford Gardens and the Wood Duck 
> are all modern dances.

   As I said if I had 6 months I might do the research necessary to find
authentic period dances which are also accessible to non/beginner dancers.
However seeing as I have only 6 days I pretty much have to go with dances
I already know.  I really only have this weekend to program 9 hours of
dancing, including music.  I think I can do it, but I'm not really sure.
Also there are plenty of recently written dances which, while not authentically
of the period, do indeed convey the flavor of the period.  After all what
is the actual difference between a USA dance I might write today versus one
published in Playford?  If they have the same basic figures doesn't the
modern one convey the flavor of a Playford dance?  Also aren't all of the
dances we do today really modern dances in a sense?  Even those that are
reconstructions of Playford dances are modern reconstructions?  In order to
be truly period (or as close as we can come) you would need to put in all
the of the footwork and stepping, etc.  That would be fine for a class of
advanced dancers at a dance camp, but it doesn't seem appropriate to me
for a group of beginners.  My goals are to get them moving to music, teach
them the basics of country dance by doing a variety of dances (new and old), 
nd have fun so they will look up dance groups in their own area when they go
home and continue to learn more about traditional dancing.  I have no
expectations of getting a polished performance of authentic dances from the
early 1800s.

Jonathan

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Judi Rivkin and I are extremely pleased to announce a new series of 2nd
Sunday English Country Tea Dances in the Princeton, NJ area. Our very first
dance takes place this coming Sunday on November 10 at the Princeton Friends
School, Quaker Road, Princeton, NJ.  There will be no dance in December so
that we all may attend CDNY's Holiday Cotillion.

The format is:
2-3 p.m.: for dancers with good knowledge of ECD repertoire, for
talk-throughs, minimal walk-throughs, or teaching of challenging dances
3-3:30 p.m.: lovely tea for all, hot tea, sweet and savory treats
(guaranteed each month to feature my locally famous trifle)
3:30-5 p.m.: ECD for all

The band for our first Tea Dance is the Flying Romanos [Norma Castle, Robin
Russell and Marnen Laibow-Koser], who delight us all with their lively
playing, and who also have a brand new CD for your holiday shopping
consideration! Judi and I will lead the dances.  Admission: $10.

Please feel free to contact me at (609) 844-0459 or at dupre-AT-
nerc.com for
additional information or for directions.  You may also find a map and
directions to the Friends School online at
http://www.princetonol.com/groups/pcd/directions/dir_PFS.html. Please note
that although this month's dance will take place at the Friends School,
future dances may not, as Judi and I are optimistically negotiating for a
charming space located directly on the bus line from NYC to Princeton.  Stay
tuned for further announcements.

Judi and I offer our most fervent wishes that you'll be able to take
advantage of this opportunity to shirk domestic responsibilities in order to
enjoy terpsichorean pleasures.

Sue Dupre
Lawrenceville, NJ


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Yes I suppose you could consider what we do as a sort of a 1-2-3-hop step although
by that I don't mean run, run, run, hop (or plod, plod, plod, hop as I've
sometimes seen) - the hop is really more of a lilt without necessarily leaving the
ground much and we tend to do it with our heels a millimeter off the ground. If
you think strathspey step (for those who know Scottish country dance) without the
big knee bend, way turned out feet, and closing in third (it's more bringing the
second foot sort of next to the other), light and relaxed rather than reach,
together, reach, and.... I imagine we play it a bit slower than what Graham is
used to though not near as slow as a strathspey.

It is easier to 'describe' with a demo.

Brooke in Oregon (who just got back from the Portland ball - loads of fun in a
great new hall)

Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote:

> Graham Knight wrote:
>
> > Might one ask how one does "a light strathspey" step. On this side of
> > the Pond it is usually done, when it is done, with a 1-2-3-hop step. I
> > say when it is done because it is usually played fairly fast and most
> > dancers these days do not have age and fitness on their side to cope
> > with the dance.
>
> It was a couple of years ago, and I remember hearing "a light strathspey" and
> thinking "huh?" and then appreciating the demo.  I should probably let Chris or
> Brooke, who are subscribed, explain, but what I recall was that it was a
> strathspey that stayed up, with no big knee bend.
>
> (Have I confused everyone now?)
>
> -- Alan
>
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I was thinking the same, but then recalled that for many audiences I have
inserted some technically not old material because it fit what they could
assimilate, it had an old flavor, and/or was tied to an old tradition. If I
think anyone cares, I announce what I am doing. For example I might say
"this dance is a more recent one to go with an old tune (The Gobby-O) that
was used for Th. Jefferson's Campaign song at the beginning of the 19th
century, so it is called Jefferson and Liberty" and I sing a little of the
campaign song. For those to whom it matters not at all, I just teach the
dance.


                                                                                                                                 
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It is interesting that you would want to include modern dances when the
intention, as I understood it, was "to give a flavour of the period".
Waterfall Waltz, Margaret's Waltz, Freeford Gardens and the Wood Duck
are all modern dances.

Graham Knight

>





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You said:
If they have the same basic figures doesn't the
modern one convey the flavor of a Playford dance?

I would say - it helps to have the same basic figures, but more importantly
the flavor is conveyed by the music that accompanies the dances. As you
have noted, that flavor is likely to be old-timey. I would recommend that
you select dances that fit the flavor of the music and note to the
audience/participants that they are representative of a long heritage
rather than try to get the band to do something outside their strengths or
try to teach something that is historical and is no fun with the music you
have.
CK


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Campbell Kaynor writes:
> 
> You said:
> If they have the same basic figures doesn't the
> modern one convey the flavor of a Playford dance?
> 
> I would say - it helps to have the same basic figures, but more importantly
> the flavor is conveyed by the music that accompanies the dances. As you
> have noted, that flavor is likely to be old-timey. I would recommend that
> you select dances that fit the flavor of the music and note to the
> audience/participants that they are representative of a long heritage
> rather than try to get the band to do something outside their strengths or
> try to teach something that is historical and is no fun with the music you
> have.

   That's the way I'm going with this event.

   Believe it or not I haven't forgotten about your dance "The Joy of Dance".
I've done it at our local English dance and got several very positive comments
about it.  It took a time or two through before the dancers "got it", but
then they loved it.  I want to do it again a time or two, and then I'll have
some time to work on getting it ready for publication over the holidays
next month (after our Christmas Ball).

Jonathan

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If there are any Southern Californians out there, please be advised that
there are still a few tickets left for the Second Annual Harvest Ball in
Riverside on 23 November.

Details may be found at:
EnglishCountryDancing.org

Best regards,
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I attended a recent English country dance in Berkeley and one of the
musicians asked "What WAS the news from Tripoli in 1703?" (Lovely
dance!) I searched the Internet without success. (Unfortunately,
there is a family of card games called "Tripoley".) There doesn't
appear to have been any news from Tripoli in 1703. But of course, if
that was the date it was published by Playford, then it could have
been any date earlier!

He was looking at: The Barnes Book of English Country Dance Tunes
Expanded & Revised
© 1986, 1996 by Peter Barnes

News From Tripoli
1703
(p. 87)

Bruce Olson  on BALLAD-L pointed me to:

A facsimile of the tune from the Dancing Master can be found at:
<A href="http://www.izaak.unh.edu/nhltmd/indexes/dancingmaster/">
Dancing Master </A> Go to browse titles, select 'N' and scroll
down to "News.."

There are 8 references to "News from Tripoly " Note the different
spelling. (And dates from 1701-1728.)

I searched the index for this list and found only a set of bad puns
on Pat Shaw's name. See
<http://www-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu/htbin/hypermailnh/..ECDMAILFILE/ECD?thread=tripoli/>.

Any ideas?
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 Considering the activities of Tripoli, the news might have been simply
"the prisoner is released".


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Will Linden wrote:
> 
>  Considering the activities of Tripoli, the news might have been simply
> "the prisoner is released".

It's a deliberate misspelling.  Imports from Africa to England in the early
18th century commonly had to be shipped via ports in the Middle East.  When
the Royal Zoological gardens acquired some particularly choice specimens,
they wanted to commemorate the occasion with a dance, but the transshipment
point was confused with the point of origin, so the dance was named "Gnus
from Tripoli."  When the error was discovered, the name had already caught
on, so the spelling was changed to avoid embarassment.  

I read that somewhere, so it must be true.

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All this talk of elegant dancing reminds me that I should mention 
that my Second Sunday Tea Dances are starting up again, this coming 
Sunday, November 10th.  We'll be doing dances of the 1890s (in 
preparation for the upcoming 1890s Ball).  Beginners welcome, no 
partner needed, all dances will be taught, and we'll be working on a 
mix of couple and set dances, including waltz, polka, contras, 
quadrilles, maybe the Virginia Reel.  This month, Patri Pugliese will 
be teaching and leading.


The dances are from 2-5, at the lovely Arts & Crafts movement First 
Unitarian Society of West Newton, Second Sunday of each month through 
April.  Recorded music, freshly brewed tea, home-made cookies, a 
bargain at five dollars.  Please, no shorts, no T-Shirts, and show up 
a few minutes early to stretch and warmup and change into your dance 
shoes (preferred but not required, but sneakers are a Bad Idea)

--Mike Bergman
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Jon Berger wrote:

> Will Linden wrote:
> >
> >  Considering the activities of Tripoli, the news might have been simply
> > "the prisoner is released".
>
> It's a deliberate misspelling.  Imports from Africa to England in the early
> 18th century commonly had to be shipped via ports in the Middle East.  When
> the Royal Zoological gardens acquired some particularly choice specimens,
> they wanted to commemorate the occasion with a dance, but the transshipment
> point was confused with the point of origin, so the dance was named "Gnus
> from Tripoli."  When the error was discovered, the name had already caught
> on, so the spelling was changed to avoid embarassment.
>
> I read that somewhere, so it must be true.
>

London Zoo was founded in 1828 so this seems unlikely :-)
(Though you didn't say which Royal Zoological Society)

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Jon Berger wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Will Linden wrote:
<br>>
<br>>&nbsp; Considering the activities of Tripoli, the news might have
been simply
<br>> "the prisoner is released".
<p>It's a deliberate misspelling.&nbsp; Imports from Africa to England
in the early
<br>18th century commonly had to be shipped via ports in the Middle East.&nbsp;
When
<br>the Royal Zoological gardens acquired some particularly choice specimens,
<br>they wanted to commemorate the occasion with a dance, but the transshipment
<br>point was confused with the point of origin, so the dance was named
"Gnus
<br>from Tripoli."&nbsp; When the error was discovered, the name had already
caught
<br>on, so the spelling was changed to avoid embarassment.
<p>I read that somewhere, so it must be true.
<br><a href="http://pages.sbcglobal.net/jberger"></a>&nbsp;</blockquote>
London Zoo was founded in 1828 so this seems unlikely :-)
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TAKE THAT MAN OUT AND *GAFIATE* HIM!

On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Jon Berger wrote:

> Will Linden wrote:
> >
> >  Considering the activities of Tripoli, the news might have been simply
> > "the prisoner is released".
>
> It's a deliberate misspelling.  Imports from Africa to England in the early
> 18th century commonly had to be shipped via ports in the Middle East.  When
> the Royal Zoological gardens acquired some particularly choice specimens,
> they wanted to commemorate the occasion with a dance, but the transshipment
> point was confused with the point of origin, so the dance was named "Gnus
> from Tripoli."  When the error was discovered, the name had already caught
> on, so the spelling was changed to avoid embarassment.
>
> I read that somewhere, so it must be true.
>
> --
> Jon Berger
> http://pages.sbcglobal.net/jberger
>

Will Linden  wlinden-AT-
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Many months ago, I informed this list that I was also seeking an explanation of the name of "News from Tripoli"--no particular result, even from my most scholarly resources. I have trolled on the 'Net for it without result. I will scrutinize contemporary periodicals for it--but not for several months. If--*when*--I find something, I'll post the news of the News to the list.    
 


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<P>Many months ago, I informed this list that I was also seeking&nbsp;an explanation of the name of&nbsp;"News from Tripoli"--no particular result, even from my most scholarly resources. I have trolled on the 'Net for it without result. I will scrutinize contemporary periodicals for it--but not for several months. If--*when*--I find something, I'll post the news of the News to the list.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
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In this context, it might be worth observing the lag which occurred in 
another case between an event historical and a dance commemorating it: 
Ramellies (sic) Rout," published I believe by Walsh in 1718 (see Fried 
Herman's "Fringe Benefits" book for details), commemorates the allied 
victory under Marlborough over the French at Ramillies, Belgium in 1706.

It seems possible that this might have been partly due to Marlborough 
having fallen out of favor for a while, so that society didn't get around 
to celebrating his victory in this way until after he was back in favor 
(and in England).  But that's purely my speculation...

Eric Arnold

--On Tuesday, November 05, 2002 9:18 AM -0800 Graham Christian 
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>
> Many months ago, I informed this list that I was also seeking an
> explanation of the name of "News from Tripoli"--no particular result,
> even from my most scholarly resources. I have trolled on the 'Net for it
> without result. I will scrutinize contemporary periodicals for it--but
> not for several months. If--*when*--I find something, I'll post the news
> of the News to the list.
>
>
>
> Graham Christian
> "Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow."
>
>
>
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Jon Berger wrote:
> 
> Will Linden wrote:
> >
> >  Considering the activities of Tripoli, the news might have been simply
> > "the prisoner is released".
> 
> It's a deliberate misspelling.  Imports from Africa to England in the early

[snip]

> I read that somewhere, so it must be true.

I needed a smile today.

Thanks,
--Charlene

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I learned a fair amount about the War of the Spanish Succession while 
hunting for this. Dates are 1701-14. It is possible that there was 
news from Tripoli during this war, but as the first Playford 
publication was 1701, not too likely.

I found the following on the Web:

The War of the Spanish Succession
1701-14
<http://www.kipar.org/kirkes_spanish_succession.html>

1702 Start of the War of the Spanish Succession - to prevent France 
uniting with Spain

1704 X Blenheim - John Churchill, Duke of Malborough, defeated the French

1706 X Ramillies - Malborough again defeated the French

1708 X Oudenarde - another of Malborough's victories over the French

1709 X Malplaquet - Malborough's last (very bloody) victory over the French

1713 Treaty of Utrecht - ended the war and stated that France and 
Spain should not unite
<http://www.mcjs.co.uk/historyevents.htm>


>In this context, it might be worth observing the lag which occurred 
>in another case between an event historical and a dance 
>commemorating it: Ramellies (sic) Rout," published I believe by 
>Walsh in 1718 (see Fried Herman's "Fringe Benefits" book for 
>details), commemorates the allied victory under Marlborough over the 
>French at Ramillies, Belgium in 1706.
>
>It seems possible that this might have been partly due to 
>Marlborough having fallen out of favor for a while, so that society 
>didn't get around to celebrating his victory in this way until after 
>he was back in favor (and in England).  But that's purely my 
>speculation...
>
>Eric Arnold
>

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To the thoughts of the news from Tripoli, a friend not on the list
suggested a commemoration of the death of Sultan Mustafa Khan II Ghazi,
who was the Ottoman Emperor.


Christine
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                  The Central Illinois English Country Dancers
                                   Present An

                   E N G L I S H   C O U N T R Y   D A N C E
                          C H R I S T M A S   B A L L


   The Central Illinois English Country Dancers will be holding their eighth
annual Christmas Ball on Saturday, December 21, 2002.  The dance will be held
at the Channing-Murray Foundation, 1209 W. Oregon, Urbana, IL, on the campus
of the University of Illinois.  There will be a warm up session from 7:00 to
8:00 with a review of the basics of English country dance as well as some of
the evening's dances.  The Ball will follow from 8:00 to 11:00 p.m.  Fans and
finery are encouraged.  Bring fruit or a dessert to share.  There is a $7.00
suggested donation to help cover the cost of the Ball.  We ask that dancers
wear soft soled shoes to help protect the dance floor and avoid using
excessive amounts of perfume for the benefit of others that may experience
allergic reactions.  All dances will be taught and all lovers of English
country dance and music are welcome.

Dances Lead By: Jane Hobgood and Jonathan Sivier
Music Provided By: The Flatland Consort
Warm Up Session: 7:00 p.m.
Christmas Ball: 8:00 to 11:00 p.m.
Date: Saturday, December 21, 2002
Location: Channing-Murray Foundation, 1209 W. Oregon, Urbana, IL
Suggested Donation: $7.00

   There will be refreshments and a mummers' play at the break and a dessert
party following the dance.

   For further information contact Jonathan Sivier (j-sivier-AT-
uiuc.edu) at
217/359-8225 or Jane Hobgood at 217/328-1708.  You can check the Christmas
Ball website at http://www.prairienet.org/ciecd/xmas.html

   Central Illinois English Country Dancers is affiliated with the Champaign
Park District and a member of the Champaign County Cultural Consortium.


                    If we don't see you at the Ball,
                    Then 'Happy Hols' to one and all!


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|  Beckman Institute             |                                      |
|  405 N. Mathews                |  SWMDG - Single White Male           |
|  Urbana, IL  61801             |          Dance Gypsy                 |
|  Work: 217/244-1923            |                                      |
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                  The Central Illinois English Country Dancers
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                   E N G L I S H   C O U N T R Y   D A N C E
                          C H R I S T M A S   B A L L


   The Central Illinois English Country Dancers will be holding their eighth
annual Christmas Ball on Saturday, December 21, 2002.  The dance will be held
at the Channing-Murray Foundation, 1209 W. Oregon, Urbana, IL, on the campus
of the University of Illinois.  There will be a warm up session from 7:00 to
8:00 with a review of the basics of English country dance as well as some of
the evening's dances.  The Ball will follow from 8:00 to 11:00 p.m.  Fans and
finery are encouraged.  Bring fruit or a dessert to share.  There is a $7.00
suggested donation to help cover the cost of the Ball.  We ask that dancers
wear soft soled shoes to help protect the dance floor and avoid using
excessive amounts of perfume for the benefit of others that may experience
allergic reactions.  All dances will be taught and all lovers of English
country dance and music are welcome.

Dances Lead By: Jane Hobgood and Jonathan Sivier
Music Provided By: The Flatland Consort
Warm Up Session: 7:00 p.m.
Christmas Ball: 8:00 to 11:00 p.m.
Date: Saturday, December 21, 2002
Location: Channing-Murray Foundation, 1209 W. Oregon, Urbana, IL
Suggested Donation: $7.00

   There will be refreshments and a mummers' play at the break and a dessert
party following the dance.

   For further information contact Jonathan Sivier (j-sivier-AT-
uiuc.edu) at
217/359-8225 or Jane Hobgood at 217/328-1708.  You can check the Christmas
Ball website at http://www.prairienet.org/ciecd/xmas.html

   Central Illinois English Country Dancers is affiliated with the Champaign
Park District and a member of the Champaign County Cultural Consortium.


                    If we don't see you at the Ball,
                    Then 'Happy Hols' to one and all!


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|  Jonathan Sivier               |Q: How many angels can dance on the   |
|  j-sivier-AT-
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|  Flight Simulation Lab         |A: It depends on what dance you call. |
|  Beckman Institute             |                                      |
|  405 N. Mathews                |  SWMDG - Single White Male           |
|  Urbana, IL  61801             |          Dance Gypsy                 |
|  Work: 217/244-1923            |                                      |
|  Home: 217/359-8225            |  Have shoes, will dance.             |
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In a message dated 6/11/2002 2:59:33 pm, system-AT-
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<< In this context, it might be worth observing the lag which occurred in 

another case between an event historical and a dance commemorating it: 

Ramellies (sic) Rout," published I believe by Walsh in 1718 (see Fried 

Herman's "Fringe Benefits" book for details), commemorates the allied 

victory under Marlborough over the French at Ramillies, Belgium in 1706. >>

Fried seems only to use dances from CCDM 1718, but it should be remembered 
that most, if not all, of its contents had appeared earlier in the annual 
24's.

Nicolas B., Lanark, Scotland.
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Two special events coming up in NYC:

Fried Herman -- Dancing with Style
Sunday, November 10th
1:30 - 5:00 p.m.
Hungarian House (NEW LOCATION!)
213 E. 82nd Street between 2nd & 3rd

A workshop for experienced dancers who know the basic figures;
Fried will teach a selection of old and new dances, including several from her newest collection, Serendipity


Yuletide Cotillion
Sunday, December 8th

Helene Cornelius, mistress of ceremonies
Members of Bare Necessities
(Earl Gaddis & Mary Lea, violins; Jacqueline Schwab, piano with guest artist Chris Rua, winds

3:00-7:00 p.m. (NEW TIME!)
Temple House Congregation Beth Elohim (NEW LOCATION!)
Park Slope, Brooklyn

Festive attire; Refreshment treats welcome!

Note the new location (same place where we hold our Playford Ball) and longer time (it always ended too soon).  There's plenty of room, so we hope to see many of you there!

For up-to-date information, check our web site www.cdny.org.


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>To the thoughts of the news from Tripoli, a friend not on the list
>suggested a commemoration of the death of Sultan Mustafa Khan II Ghazi,
>who was the Ottoman Emperor.
>
>
>Christine

Change of emperor of the Ottoman Empire from Mustafa II (1695-1703) 
to Ahmed III (1703-1730)
(Oops, I forgot to save the URL for that one!)
If the tune was first published by  Playford in 1701 -- it was prescient!

Tripoli is in what is now (again) called Libya. Was that in the Ottoman Empire?

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  The "Barbary States" were "tributaries" of the Sultan, and pretty much
ignored the Porte when it tried to make them do something they did not want
to. And remember that they in practice conducted their own foreign
relations (such as going to war with the US in 1806, bringing the Marines
to "the shores of Tripoli".


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>To the thoughts of the news from Tripoli, a friend not on the list
>suggested a commemoration of the death of Sultan Mustafa Khan II Ghazi,
>who was the Ottoman Emperor.
>
>
>Christine

Change of emperor of the Ottoman Empire from Mustafa II (1695-1703) 
to Ahmed III (1703-1730)
(Oops, I forgot to save the URL for that one!)
If the tune was first published by  Playford in 1701 -- it was prescient!

Tripoli is in what is now (again) called Libya. Was that in the Ottoman
Empire?

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On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, Alan Ackerman wrote:

> >To the thoughts of the news from Tripoli, a friend not on the list
> >suggested a commemoration of the death of Sultan Mustafa Khan II Ghazi,
> >who was the Ottoman Emperor.
> >
> >
> >Christine
>
> Change of emperor of the Ottoman Empire from Mustafa II (1695-1703)
> to Ahmed III (1703-1730)
> (Oops, I forgot to save the URL for that one!)
> If the tune was first published by  Playford in 1701 -- it was prescient!
>
> Tripoli is in what is now (again) called Libya. Was that in the Ottoman Empire?

Yes, according to mu 1911 Enc. Brit., but there's another Tripoli that
keeps showing up in tales about the crusades. that one is in what we now
call Syria or Lebanon.

I didn't find any reference to either Tripoli in the 1600s up to 1703 so
am still looking.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Priscilla Burrage       Vermont US
(pburrage-AT-
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Priscilla wrote:
> I didn't find any reference to either Tripoli in the 1600s up to 1703 so
> am still looking.

There are some interesting quotes in http://tripoli-city.org/ if you click 
on history, and go to the relevant section.  (I found choosing the 1700 
one put me mid-way through the page, just *after* the 1700 quote.)
This is for the Tripoli in Lebanon.

A second suggestion from off the list :
>> The other thought is that there was an expansion/extension of the
>> British treaty of peace and friendship with the Bey of Tripoli in
>> that year, but there were lots of those and that wasn't the first
>> such expansion, either, but all I'm doing is guessing.


Christine

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Hi folks:

Perhaps there wasn't any news from Tripoli.

When I was a kid, it was common to refer to Timbuktu as being the epitome of
someplace far away, exotic, and unconnected to any of our daily lives. It
was pretty widespread in pop culture; I even remember a comic book where the
protagonists (Donald Duck & co., if I recall right) had to flee when their
shenanigans were uncovered; the last panel is headed, "Later, in
Timbuktu..." and shows them reclining under palm trees.

Probably around the same time (1950s) newspaper reporters had a derogatory
term for excessive interest in places that were far away and exotic, where
nothing of importance ever happened. That term, ironically for us in the
last 20 years, was "Afghanistanism", and a reporter who was interested in
the affairs of smaller nations was said to suffer from it.

Since we haven't found any significant news from either Tripoli in the
decades preceding our dance, it's at least possible that the phrase "News
from Tripoli" was being used ironically, in the same sense as the examples
cited above.

Peace,
Paul

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I received this today. With Richard's permission I'm forwarding it to 
the list to see if anyone more local to him can help. He's been to 
ceilidhs in the UK before and enjoyed them, hence his request. Please 
email him directly if you can help.

Bob

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Hi Bob

I found your website and wondered if you could help.

I'm getting married and would like a Ceilidh at my wedding. I live in
southern oregon, do you know of any bands on this side of the 
country.

Regards

Richard Waters 

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ANNOUNCING:

The 5th Annual New Haven, Connecticut ECD Ball
The 2003 "Elm City Assembly"
will take place 
January 25, 2003
with Mistress of Ceremonies Barbara Finney
Music by the Playford Consort: Marshall Barron, Phoebe Barron, Grace
Feldman, Margaret Ann Martin

More information and registration forms: http://pantheon.yale.edu/~bfr4/NH.English.html

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For any of you likely to be near Cape Cod, Massachusetts next weekend:

Please join us for elegant and lively English country dancing on 
Friday, November 15!  Here are the details:

*Cape Cod English Country Dance*

Friday, November 15, 2002
8 - 11 pm at the East Sandwich Grange,
                   85 Old County Road, E Sandwich, MA
Musicians: Roberta Sutter (piano)
                   Amy Larkin (violin)
Dance Leaders: Priscilla Adams and Linda Nelson
Admission: $6

Directions and more information: reply email or call:
508-428-4231  or  508-540-1151

More 3rd Friday English dances are already planned: February 21, 
March 21, May 16, June 20 and July 18, 2003.



NOTE for dance travelers:  Contradancing the next evening in the same hall:
3rd Saturday - November 16 - East Sandwich Contradance - East Sandwich Grange
Caller: Linda Leslie; Musicians: Amy Larkin and Roberta Sutter

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Subject: Dances in Greater Boston area 11/19 - 11/21?
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ECDers --

I will be, I found out yesterday, in the Framingham/Natick/Waltham area
November 19-21 (Tuesday - Thursday, traveling Monday and Friday.)  I'll be
staying at the Sheraton Tara, about which I've heard amazing things from people
who go to science fiction conventions there.  I'll have a car, however good an
idea that might be in the Boston area.  (But I'll fly into Manchester and
presumably avoid the worst of it.)

So what'll be happening around there in the English/Contra/Vintage line of
things on those evenings?  It's entirely possible that I'll turn out not to
have any evenings free, so I'm not going to try to get booked to call anything,
but I'd like to know what my options are.  

I ask here, rather than responsibly checking schedules on the web, because I'm
hoping to get some sense from a local of how brutal the travel is.

I'm under the impression, for example, that the bulk of Boston will be between
me and the Arlington dance,  and that if traffic there is anything like
San Francisco's, it might be a major slog.  If it'll take me two hours of
stop-n-go to get to the dance, I'm unlikely to be in a mood to enjoy it when I
get there.

Also, if people can provide useful directions for someone whose (limited) sense
of direction is always screwed up when on the East Coast, starting specifically
from the Tara or the nearest freeway/turnpike onramp, that would be very
helpful too.

Thanks,

-- Alan

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Dances:
Too bad you will miss my 11/22 Friday night Double dance. I believe CDS
also has an English that night in Harvard Square. Both are geared toward
the newcomers to the scene but with lots that makes them interesting to
experienced dancers willing to share the floor with fresh blood.

I don't think there is anything on Tues 11/19 but:
Regular CDS ECD is on Wednesday in Arlington (CDS website has details)
Contradance on Thursday at the VFW in Cambridge (NEFFA site has details)
These are both "hot" dances with large attendance and usually very polished
bands and callers. Both are located to the west of the city so they are
much easier for you to access from the Natick/Framingham/Waltham area than
you thought.

Wednesday - If you approach by heading east from 95/128 on Rt. 2, take the
Park Ave. exit, go left on Park and the English dance is on your left no
more than a mile (up over the top of the hill called Arlington Heights) at
the corner of Revere St., one block shy of Mass. Ave. Roadside parking is
allowed.

Thursday - Same thing - Rt 2 east but continue past Arlington/Belmont
exits, past Alewife (outermost stop of the red line T), and keep following
Rt2 around Fresh Pond to the lights at Huron Ave. (this is a little
trafficy, but not creeping). Turn right onto Huron Ave (also called route
16), stay straight at the next light (16 turns off to the left) and keep
eyes open for a Rocket on the left that guards the door of the VFW hall.
Parking behind the hall, across the street, and along the roadsides. If you
go too far Huron ends at a T just around the corner.
Cammy

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To (Mainly) the listers and lurkers in New England

Ellen Tepper presents a Harp workshop, masterclass and slide
lecture/concert in Holyoke followed by an English Dance in Amherst Mass.

Saturday, November 16, 10 to 3 at Wisteriahurst Museum in Holyoke, Mass.
Workshop for beginners in the morning, master class in the afternoon.

Sunday, November 17, at 3 pm. Slide lecture on The History of the Harp
from 2500 BC to the present with musical examples on folk harp,
Renaissance Bray harp, Irish Wire strung harp and Italian Triple Strung
Harp.
500 years of music in one afternoon! Admission $5.00
contact Wisteriahurst Musem for directions: 413 534 2216

Monday, November 18, English Dance in Amherst, harp, recorders and
various other intruments, Robin Hayden calling. 413 549 4121 Amherst Area
English Country Dancers.
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Dear Barbara,
How accomplished an English Country dancer must one be to comfortably (for
oneself as well as for the more accomplished dancers) attend the Ball?
Thanks,
Russ Bush



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> ANNOUNCING:
>
> The 5th Annual New Haven, Connecticut ECD Ball
> The 2003 "Elm City Assembly"
> will take place
> January 25, 2003
> with Mistress of Ceremonies Barbara Finney
> Music by the Playford Consort: Marshall Barron, Phoebe Barron, Grace
> Feldman, Margaret Ann Martin
>
> More information and registration forms:
http://pantheon.yale.edu/~bfr4/NH.English.html
>
> =====
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For those interested, the programme has been announced for the 2nd
Annual Harvest Ball in Riverside, CA:

SET ONE
The Comical Fellow, 1776
The Female Saylor, 1706
Randolph Farewell, 1997
Dublin Bay, 1710
Draper’s Gardens, 1706

SET TWO
Miss Moore’s Rant (Colonial)
Greensleeves and Yellow Lace, 1721
Mr. Beveridge’s Maggot, 1695
The Black Nag, 1665
In the Bleak Midwinter, 1996
Soldier’s Joy (Colonial)

SET THREE
Sweet Richard (Colonial)
Prince William, 1713
Round about Our Coal Fire, 1766
Kelstern Gardens, 1727
The Duke of Kent’s Waltz, 1801

Further details may be found at: http://www.EnglishCountryDancing.org

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Would anyone happen to have a copy of
A Choice collection of country dances : as printed and sold by John and
William Neal in Christ Church Yard, Dublin, c. 1726 / edited by Rich
Jackson and George Fogg  (CDSS,1990)
that you are willing to sell?
Or can anyone recommend a good source for out-of-print ECD
books?  (other than general services like abebooks.com, alibris,
bookfinder, with which I am familiar)


Paul Axel-Lute
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Rutgers University Library for the Center for Law & Justice
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Well hello to all of you out there, thought it was about time I came
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At 3:25 PM +0000 11/14/02, Aidan Broadbridge wrote:
>Well hello to all of you out there, thought it was about time I came
>along to see what my father has been saying about me!

Sorry, your dad is verrry circumspect.

But it sure will be fun to have you with us!
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Russ,
Thanks for asking.  I'll respond on-line since others may be
interested.

The New Haven Ball is one of the more user-friendly balls in that
dances are both walked-through and called during the evening. That
said, dancers should be familiar and comfortable enough with all the
standard ECD figures that they can execute them when called without
further instruction, and generally be able to follow a dance pattern
without having to _regularly_ rely on others in the set to direct
them to their own position (of course there is no such thing as a
flawless dancer and we all lose the thread on occasion).

Hope that helps.
Barbara 

--- RUSS BUSH <rbush1-AT-
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> Dear Barbara,
> How accomplished an English Country dancer must one be to
> comfortably (for
> oneself as well as for the more accomplished dancers) attend the
> Ball?
> Thanks,
> Russ Bush
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Barbara Ruth" <barbararuth-AT-
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> To: <ECD-AT-
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> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 3:31 PM
> Subject: 5th Annual New Haven ECD Ball
> 
> 
> > ANNOUNCING:
> >
> > The 5th Annual New Haven, Connecticut ECD Ball
> > The 2003 "Elm City Assembly"
> > will take place
> > January 25, 2003
> > with Mistress of Ceremonies Barbara Finney
> > Music by the Playford Consort: Marshall Barron, Phoebe Barron,
> Grace
> > Feldman, Margaret Ann Martin
> >
> > More information and registration forms:
> http://pantheon.yale.edu/~bfr4/NH.English.html
> >
> > =====
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> Less of
> one does not lead to more of the other. People with no rights are
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> from terrorist attack."  Molly Ivins
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How well put!  Workshop program directors and Ball organizers could
probably use this definition in a variety of instances (I know I will,
assuming that by posting it on our forum you're releasing your copyright
and relinquishing the _massive_ income you might otherwise enjoy by
retaining all rights  :-)  )

Gene Murrow


On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:10:37 -0800 (PST) Barbara Ruth
<barbararuth-AT-
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...
> The New Haven Ball is one of the more user-friendly balls in that
> dances are both walked-through and called during the evening. That
> said, dancers should be familiar and comfortable enough with all 
> the standard ECD figures that they can execute them when called without
> further instruction, and generally be able to follow a dance 
> pattern without having to _regularly_ rely on others in the set to
direct
> them to their own position (of course there is no such thing as a
> flawless dancer and we all lose the thread on occasion).
> 
> Hope that helps.
> Barbara 
> 

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Well, put it this way.  You can always pay me a royalty on the
massive income you generate using it.  (Let's see, in 4th grade math
I learned that anything times 0 is?)

B.

--- Gene Murrow <gmurrow-AT-
juno.com> wrote:
> How well put!  Workshop program directors and Ball organizers could
> probably use this definition in a variety of instances (I know I
> will,
> assuming that by posting it on our forum you're releasing your
> copyright
> and relinquishing the _massive_ income you might otherwise enjoy by
> retaining all rights  :-)  )
> 
> Gene Murrow
> 
> 
> On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:10:37 -0800 (PST) Barbara Ruth
> <barbararuth-AT-
rocketmail.com> writes:
> ...
> > The New Haven Ball is one of the more user-friendly balls in that
> > dances are both walked-through and called during the evening.
> That
> > said, dancers should be familiar and comfortable enough with all 
> > the standard ECD figures that they can execute them when called
> without
> > further instruction, and generally be able to follow a dance 
> > pattern without having to _regularly_ rely on others in the set
> to
> direct
> > them to their own position (of course there is no such thing as a
> > flawless dancer and we all lose the thread on occasion).
> > 
> > Hope that helps.
> > Barbara 
> > 
> 
>
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Mathematically speaking, it depends on what you define "0" as. ;)  --
Cara :)

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Well, put it this way.  You can always pay me a royalty on the massive
income you generate using it.  (Let's see, in 4th grade math I learned
that anything times 0 is?)

B.

--- Gene Murrow <gmurrow-AT-
juno.com> wrote:
> How well put!  Workshop program directors and Ball organizers could 
> probably use this definition in a variety of instances (I know I will,
> assuming that by posting it on our forum you're releasing your
> copyright
> and relinquishing the _massive_ income you might otherwise enjoy by
> retaining all rights  :-)  )
> 
> Gene Murrow
> 
> 
> On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:10:37 -0800 (PST) Barbara Ruth 
> <barbararuth-AT-
rocketmail.com> writes: ...
> > The New Haven Ball is one of the more user-friendly balls in that 
> > dances are both walked-through and called during the evening.
> That
> > said, dancers should be familiar and comfortable enough with all
> > the standard ECD figures that they can execute them when called
> without
> > further instruction, and generally be able to follow a dance
> > pattern without having to _regularly_ rely on others in the set
> to
> direct
> > them to their own position (of course there is no such thing as a 
> > flawless dancer and we all lose the thread on occasion).
> > 
> > Hope that helps.
> > Barbara
> > 
> 
>
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Dea Cara,

Are you lifting a page from W.J. Clinton?

You wrote:

> Mathematically speaking, it depends on what you define "0" as. ;)  --
> Cara :)
>

Ciao,
Alberto

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I don't think so.  Who is he?  I was a Mathematics major and I just
remember from Abstract Algebra II I had to define "0" and "a" and "b"
and so on . . . the class got smaller as time went on.  Go figure!  ;-)
-- C
 
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Dea Cara, 

Are you lifting a page from W.J. Clinton? 


You wrote: 


Mathematically speaking, it depends on what you define "0" as. ;)  --

Cara :)


Ciao, 
Alberto 


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<DIV><SPAN class=093583920-15112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I 
don't think so.&nbsp; Who is he?&nbsp; I was a Mathematics major and I just 
remember from Abstract Algebra II I had to define "0" and "a" and "b" and so on 
. . . the class got smaller as time went on.&nbsp;&nbsp;Go figure! &nbsp;;-) -- 
C</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> 
owner-ecd-AT-
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[mailto:owner-ecd-AT-
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</B>Blank/DeVore<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, November 15, 2002 3:39 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 
ECD-AT-
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nothing<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>Dea Cara, 
<P>Are you lifting a page from W.J. Clinton? 
<P>You wrote: 
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE="CITE"><PRE>Mathematically speaking, it depends on what you define "0" as. ;)&nbsp; --
Cara :)</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Ooops!  I just caught what you meant!!  Now THAT'S funny. :)
 
 
 
 
I don't think so.  Who is he?  I was a Mathematics major and I just
remember from Abstract Algebra II I had to define "0" and "a" and "b"
and so on . . . the class got smaller as time went on.  Go figure!  ;-)
-- C
 
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Subject: Zero is different from nothing


Dea Cara, 

Are you lifting a page from W.J. Clinton? 


You wrote: 


Mathematically speaking, it depends on what you define "0" as. ;)  --

Cara :)


Ciao, 
Alberto 


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<DIV><SPAN class=093583920-15112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2>Ooops!&nbsp; I just caught what you meant!!&nbsp; Now THAT'S funny. 
:)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=093583920-15112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=093583920-15112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
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size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=093583920-15112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I 
don't think so.&nbsp; Who is he?&nbsp; I was a Mathematics major and I just 
remember from Abstract Algebra II I had to define "0" and "a" and "b" and so on 
. . . the class got smaller as time went on.&nbsp;&nbsp;Go figure! &nbsp;;-) -- 
C</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=093583920-15112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
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nothing<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>Dea Cara, 
<P>Are you lifting a page from W.J. Clinton? 
<P>You wrote: 
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE="CITE"><PRE>Mathematically speaking, it depends on what you define "0" as. ;)&nbsp; --
Cara :)</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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There was a baseball player (I can't remember whom) speaking to reporters
once who said
"I got nothing to say to you and nothin' is nothin'! No, wait a minute!
Nothin' ain't nothin.
Nothin' is somethin' that ain't!"
CKaynor


                                                                                                                                 
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Dea Cara,


Are you lifting a page from W.J. Clinton?


You wrote:
      Mathematically speaking, it depends on what you define "0" as. ;)  --
      Cara :)



Ciao,
Alberto







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Cammy quote in part:
" ... Nothin' is somethin' that ain't!"

Yeah! All I meant is that a zero batting average ain't the same as never
playing ball.

Al


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At long last, the shop is up and running on my web site! The Assembly 
Players' two new Pat Shaw CDs can now be bought on line, thanks to Brian 
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chance, The Assembly Players' brilliant pianist) and Paypal!
    Only the two new Cds are in the shop as yet, but the rest should follow 
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    Do visit and have a look.
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Nicolas B., Lanark, Scotland.
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>>Cammy quote in part:
>>" ... Nothin' is somethin' that ain't!"

>Yeah! All I meant is that a zero batting average ain't the same as never
>playing ball.

>Al

Is that speaking literally?

Helen

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>  >>Cammy quote in part:
> >>" ... Nothin' is somethin' that ain't!" >Yeah! All I meant is that a
> zero batting average ain't the same as never
> >playing ball. >Al Is that speaking literally? Helen

Gosh, no! Illiterally.

Al

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                  The Central Illinois English Country Dancers
                                   Present An

                   E N G L I S H   C O U N T R Y   D A N C E
                          C H R I S T M A S   B A L L


   The Central Illinois English Country Dancers will be holding their eighth
annual Christmas Ball on Saturday, December 21, 2002.  The dance will be held
at the Channing-Murray Foundation, 1209 W. Oregon, Urbana, IL, on the campus
of the University of Illinois.  There will be a warm up session from 7:00 to
8:00 with a review of the basics of English country dance as well as some of
the evening's dances.  The Ball will follow from 8:00 to 11:00 p.m.  Fans and
finery are encouraged.  Bring fruit or a dessert to share.  There is a $7.00
suggested donation to help cover the cost of the Ball.  We ask that dancers
wear soft soled shoes to help protect the dance floor and avoid using
excessive amounts of perfume for the benefit of others that may experience
allergic reactions.  All dances will be taught and all lovers of English
country dance and music are welcome.

Dances Lead By: Jane Hobgood and Jonathan Sivier
Music Provided By: The Flatland Consort
Warm Up Session: 7:00 p.m.
Christmas Ball: 8:00 to 11:00 p.m.
Date: Saturday, December 21, 2002
Location: Channing-Murray Foundation, 1209 W. Oregon, Urbana, IL
Suggested Donation: $7.00

   There will be refreshments and a mummers' play at the break and a dessert
party following the dance.

   The evening's dances will be selected from the following list:

The Bishop - triple proper
Dargason - longways
The Duke of Kent's Waltz - duple proper
Female Saylor - duple proper
Finale - a quadrille
The Geud Man of Ballangigh - duple proper
A Grand March - longways
Heartsease - 2 couples
Jenny Pluck Pears - round for 3 couples
The Joy Of Dance - 3 couples longways
Lull Me Beyond Thee - 4 couples longways
Oranges and Lemons - 4 couples in a square
Portland Fancy - 4 facing 4
The Queen's Jig - duple proper
Trip To Woodstock - duple proper
Waltz Country Dance - Sicilian circle
Winter Solstice - 5 couples in a square

   For further information contact Jonathan Sivier (j-sivier-AT-
uiuc.edu) at
217/359-8225 or Jane Hobgood at 217/328-1708.  You can check the Christmas
Ball website at http://www.prairienet.org/ciecd/xmas.html

   Central Illinois English Country Dancers is affiliated with the Champaign
Park District and a member of the Champaign County Cultural Consortium.


                    If we don't see you at the Ball,
                    Then 'Happy Hols' to one and all!


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|  Jonathan Sivier               |Q: How many angels can dance on the   |
|  j-sivier-AT-
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|  Flight Simulation Lab         |A: It depends on what dance you call. |
|  Beckman Institute             |                                      |
|  405 N. Mathews                |  SWMDG - Single White Male           |
|  Urbana, IL  61801             |          Dance Gypsy                 |
|  Work: 217/244-1923            |                                      |
|  Home: 217/359-8225            |  Have shoes, will dance.             |
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