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Alan held forth:

>The analogy is: People who do this stuff are claiming a role in the creative
>process.  
[snip]
>they decline
>to be passive consumers of TV entertainment.  Their imaginations are actively
>engaged in the universe, in the characters - and they have to understand
>it
>well enough that the characters in their stories are, convincingingly,
>the same
>characters that appear in the show, 
[snip]
>They know Gene Roddenberry didn't mean for Kirk and Spock to get it on,
>but it
>suits their purposes to do it and their job is to make it plausible and
>sexy.

Yeah, just as long as they don't get them started doing Vulcan Country 
Dancing!

live long and perspire

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--- "Emily L. Ferguson" <elf-AT-
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> 3. Turning single there risks physically running in to the
> person progressing in the other direction

That depends very much on how one dances. If you are dancing
with an awareness of where you are going and what is between you
and that place, you won't run into people, unless they go the
wrong direction. One thing that I have become very aware of
recently is that many people don't think ahead to the next
figure and dance _through_ a position. They dance to it, pause
and regroup teir thoughts, then move into the next figure. I
have noticed this to be true regardless of the experience level
of the dancers. I even see it in performing groups (including
mine) when people have rehearsed a dance many times and are very
familiar with it.

> 4. Beginners can't tell an ornament from the real thing and
> get misled, as is rampant in contra dancing

So, none of us should ever do anything that might be the least
bit ornamental for fear of misleading a beginner? In Contras, I
will rarely turn the lady under my arm on a ladies chain unless
I know her well and know her ability, and yet I constantly have
my arm wrenched out of the socket by people I never saw before,
because other guys have been turning them and, mistakenly,
they've come to expect that everyone does that turn. So who's
misleading whom? To quote Genny Shimer, "I resist!" 

> 5. Beginners and perennial low intermediates get driven away
> from the dancing by being bumped in to, or otherwise confused
> by the ornamenting dancers

Not to mention those of us who dance predictably and have
competence and experience, and who get kicked or tripped by
people who are out of place or unexpectedly change direction
because nobody is teaching dance etiquette, control,
conciousness of space and courtesy to those same beginners and
"perennial low intermediates", whom I prefer to call perpetual
beginners. There are some of those that I've known for 30 years,
and they never get any better. My experience is quite the
opposite, that many good experienced people (some of my favorite
partners) never come dancing any more because they are tired of
being injured, particularly by the clueless perpetual beginners.

> 7. the TS spoils the symmetry of the progression, and symmetry
> was a big preoccupation for Pat

The only symmetry during the progression is what occurs between
the corners, as there is no interaction between the first and
second corners in the progression unless someone goes the wrong
way, causing an choreographed violent interaction.

Whether or not I do I do the TS, as a first corner, I move in
and down around the second corner to my right who is (or should
be) backing straight out. If I'm a second corner, I move up and
inward around the first corner who should be in front of me as
they start their move forward toward their new corner.

Andy in PDX OR

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> --- "Emily L. Ferguson" <elf-AT-
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> > 4. Beginners can't tell an ornament from the real thing and
> > get misled, as is rampant in contra dancing

Like that d**ned clapping on Petronella turns...

I probably shouldn't have started _that_ one again...

I seem to remember a version of Petronella that started with the
turn and ended with the balance in a circle. It was started with
the ones turning single into the center to form a diamond, man
facing up and woman facing down. As the ones start down the
center in the B-1 music, the twos get out of the center by
quickly turning to original place. Most of the new dances that
have "Petronella turns" seem to start with the balancing in a
circle and then turning single into the next position, and
everyone is on the sides of the set rather than being in a
diamond.

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To build on the comments by Andy on JTC, here are some of my thoughts:

> 3. Turning single there risks physically running in to the
> person progressing in the other direction

Besides his well thought out points, I have encouraged dancers in crowded 
corners to TS at this point precisely so that they do NOT collide with the 
2nd corners (or as often happens, precede them by crossing behind rather 
than in front of the retreating 2nd corners). 

> 4. Beginners can't tell an ornament from the real thing and
> get misled, as is rampant in contra dancing

Any dancer worth their salt can distinguish the newcomers and adjust their 
style for least confusion when they are dancing together. As a caller, I 
often preface a dance by saying that I have modified the figures to suit 
my taste and that one cannot count on the same interpretation at other's 
dances. However, this is more meaningful to the experienced dancers and it 
suffices for the newcomers to accept that what I have taught them is a 
"variant."

> 5. Beginners and perennial low intermediates get driven away
> from the dancing by being bumped in to, or otherwise confused
> by the ornamenting dancers

Or they may be drawn to the fun, excitement and creativity obviously being 
experienced by the veterans on the dance floor. I have seen more beginners 
turned away because they thought doing the dances correctly was more 
important than having fun doing them, that the other dancers were 
"stuffy," and the most common observation from a newcomer leaving the 
dance - "you need to take lessons before you can join in."

> 7. the TS spoils the symmetry of the progression, and symmetry
> was a big preoccupation for Pat

The figure is as symmetrical either way. I still say the choice depends on 
the space available. It is not good dancing to tread in place for half of 
the 8 steps of approach allotted to the progression and beginning of the 
next time through. Experienced dancers will and do discover ways to absorb 
the extra music in cramped quarters without interrupting the flow. For the 
newer dancers, some direction toward a "standard embellishment" is part of 
their training in developing skills toward appropriate improvisation. 


Cammy Kaynor
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I really like the idea of "dance angels" - but how are they to be
determined? Often, especially at "contemporary" contra dances (as well as
some local ECDs), I've seen dancers with only a couple of months of
experience, or"perpetual beginners"  assume that they are experts. While
their willingness to help even more rank beginners is commendable, the
results often leave much to be desired, and badly learned practices spread.
It would be far preferable to channel such willingness and enthusiasm into
helping at the door, making and distributing flyers, providing refreshments,
etc. - but the crunch comes in one-to-one intereaction on the dance floor,
and thus is out of the control of the dance leaders.

So are "dance angels" self-appointed, or are they pre-selected by dance
leaders? Which dance leaders? Callers for weekend dances are frequently
imported, and don't know the composition of local dance communities. And
weekend dances often have a very different group of dancers than do the
(typically) week-night sessions, which in my area, are more devoted to
learning and practice...whereas many of the offending weekenders show up
once every month or so, and show little interest in weeknight events
(they've been repeatedly invited, and it's free the first time; VERY
reasonable after that. And when they do show up, they are made welcome).

 I quite agree with Andy's points about unnecessary and annoying
"embellishments"- it seems that newcomers pick up on the ruffles and
flourishes well before they acquire the basics, probably because the
"extras" are showy and eye-catching. With a tricky left shoulder, I avoid
dance venues where I know I'll be unwillingly twirled and turned under by
those whose enthusiasm exceeds their expertise. Yes, Genny also told me to
"Resist!", but sometimes it's not possible, when a dancer is physically
stronger and insistent (and completely in his own world, and showing no
regard for his partner or others on the dance floor). Obviously, I always
tell my partners that I have a problem with the left shoulder, and they are
usually considerate about it. But what about others in the set? How does a
dancer with a slight limitation notify them without seeming to be accusatory
or portraying herself as a frail flower? And it's the badly done ruffles and
flourishes that cause the problems...

I've even had a corner try to turn me under (by the left arm) when I was
wearing a sling. Not just a scarf wrapped around my arm - a real sling.  I
found myself blurting out, "I can't do that!" on this occasion, but there
has to be a better way. Such obliviousness  isn't confined to newcomers, of
course...and is a related but separate issue.

 Lately I seem to be more frustrated than happy with the state of local
weekend predominately contra dances, so my attendance has dropped way off
(and don't get me started with the gender balance issue re. local big contra
workshop and dance weekends). I still am active within the local ECD
community, where dance doltishness is less predominate, probably because
there are more workshops and weeknight instruction available, but I'd like
to enjoy local contra dances again, too. I'm more than willing to help
interested newcomers learn, and always try to tactfully ask them to dance,
or help with learning a buzz-step swing, or progression, or crossing over,
or rights and lefts, contra corners, or any of the other figures which are
typical pitfalls for newcomers. And I remember well when I was the newcomer,
and how much I appreciated help from experienced friends, and how
self-conscious I felt about my clumsiness and inevitable mistakes and
confusion. So despite my criticism, I feel a great deal of compassion for
those who sincerely want to learn. It's those who don't - and won't - learn
that frustrate me.

Solving this one is beyond me, however..although tactful words from
experienced dancers and callers; generally addressed to those who
unknowingly err may be of some use to those who are willing to listen and
learn. Other suggestions?

Susan Booker,
in Lexington, KY

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Someone asked me to proof-read a book of dances he is about
to print, and I was worried about the spelling of the word chassay.

My dictionary only allows me c h a s s e-acute (I'm not risking
non-USASCII characters!), as does Webster

The CDMs use chassay.  Sets in Order use sashay (but then we
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At 11:43 AM 3/1/02 -0500, you wrote:
Susan Booker,in Lexington, KY
I agree, I agree I agree!!!

1. In a walk through I always use school figures with no 
embellishments,...in contra I do one turn of a swing and wait....I tell my 
partner that this is a walk through, not a dance, save your energy.

2. In contra...until I know my partner or opposite, I use school 
figures....embellishments work only when BOTH parties are comfortable.

3. I wear a brace, bandage, etc. or tell my partner/opposite that NO! if I 
have an injury.  It usually works.  I try to respect the physical 
limitation of my dancer partners if known....

It is the caller's/teacher's responsiblity to emphasize to the dancer 
polite behavior.  Many dancers have never been told or LECTURED to about 
what is proper dance behavior.  Thank your partner, thank the band, escort 
your partner to the side, in ballroom waltz in the dance-line-of-direction, 
not retrograde!....

mm (crabby sometimes for what it is worth).



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I agree, I agree I agree!!!<br><br>
1. In a walk through I always use school figures with no
embellishments,...in contra I do one turn of a swing and wait....I tell
my partner that this is a walk through, not a dance, save your
energy.<br><br>
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physical limitation of my dancer partners if known....<br><br>
It is the caller's/teacher's responsiblity to emphasize to the dancer
polite behavior.&nbsp; Many dancers have never been told or LECTURED to
about what is proper dance behavior.&nbsp; Thank your partner, thank the
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Allison,

Solving this problem is quite easy, it's done *all* of the time. Simply
dance 5 or more or less steps for each 4 beats of the music <grin>.

We, the Merrie Pryanksters, danced Dargason with 10 couples on a street in
Berkeley (California) *once*. We placed the band at the middle of the set
and had spotters at the ends to tell everybody when to turn around and start
back.


Norman Bradley

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> For what it's worth, I counted the reps on the HOlst version once while
> driving (almost as bad as talking on a cell phone) and got up to
> something wierd like 29 or 31. I'm not sure how this could be divisible
> into the dance...
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Susan Booker wrote -
    How does a
> dancer with a slight limitation notify them without seeming to be
accusatory
> or portraying herself as a frail flower?


Well I know of a lady who has a problem with giddyness, so to prevent other
dancers twirling her, she had a nice bright badge made which read something
like 'no twirling please' which she always wore to dances. I think she found
this worked quite well. I'm not sure it would stop the person who didn't
notice you were wearing a sling though.....

Best wishes
Ann

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--- Campbell_Kaynor-AT-
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> To build on the comments by Andy on JTC, here are some of
> my thoughts:
> 
[I think this was originally Emily Ferguson, not Andy]:
> > 3. Turning single there risks physically running in to
> > the person progressing in the other direction
> 
> Besides his well thought out points, I have encouraged
> dancers in crowded corners to TS at this point precisely
> so that they do NOT collide with the 2nd corners (or as
> often happens, precede them by crossing behind rather 
> than in front of the retreating 2nd corners). 

There has not been any mention one way or the other that I
an remember whether the TS is moving forward or stationary.
Which?

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Lyrl,
Correct - I was copying Emily's words and responding to Andy's comments 
with some of my own. I teach the TS as what I think you are calling 
stationary. As corners #2 are backing straight out from the set, the 1st 
corners turn over the right shoulder passing through the starting position 
and perhaps a step beyond, into a luxurious forward and back with their 
new corners. Since the same problem of cramped quarters applies to the 2nd 
corners, they do the same but 4 counts later. 

(Of course if one is dancing in a normal size room with only one set of 
dancers, the problems of cramped space are not an issue and I teach it as 
PS wrote it.  All this turning applies only when you lack space to take 
four liberal steps back (without ending in the neighboring set) and when 
the sets are tight in the lengthwise dimension as well.  The deciding 
factor is whether dancers have room to take eight steps in the diagonal 
direction and still be face-to-face with the new corner.
Cammy
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Hugh wrote:

> Someone asked me to proof-read a book of dances he is about
> to print, and I was worried about the spelling of the word chassay.

> My dictionary only allows me c h a s s e-acute (I'm not risking
> non-USASCII characters!), as does Webster

> The CDMs use chassay.  Sets in Order use sashay (but then we
> all know that they can't even spell do si do so who's going to take
> them as an authority over English dances?).

> Does anyone have a convincing and authoritative spelling?

No, but I'll indulge myself in an opinion, anyway.

I am not convinced that "chasse" or "chassay" is a helpful or necessary 
piece of vocabulary except where it has no synonym.  (Where it's used to 
mean "step - and - close" in waltz time, as in "Margaret's Waltz", it's
worthwhile.)  Otherwise, it appears to mean "skip-change" or "slip" or
"gallop".

If these aren't American dances, forget sashay.

If I were copy-editing - not just proofreading - I'd suggest to the author
that the problematic word be replaced with "skip-change" if that's what's
meant, "slip" if that's what's meant, and rendered as c h a s s e-acute 
(just my personal preference) if that's what's meant.

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At 11:43 AM 3/1/02 , you wrote:

 Obviously, I always
>tell my partners that I have a problem with the left shoulder, and they are
>usually considerate about it. But what about others in the set? How does a
>dancer with a slight limitation notify them without seeming to be accusatory
>or portraying herself as a frail flower? And it's the badly done ruffles and
>flourishes that cause the problems...
>


I remember a dancer at Pinewoods many years ago wearing an attractively
made little sign (colorful, scalloped edges) pinned near her shoulder
requesting 
dancers to be considerate of her arm/shoulder. It served as a little
reminder every 
time you met her in a dance, and it seemed to work well for her. I don't
remember 
the nice wording she used, but I do remember it being creative and
pleasantly worded.
And, she didn't have to keep verbalizing it to her partners.

Diane

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--- Lyrl Catherine Ahern <lyrl-AT-
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> There has not been any mention one way or the other that I
> an remember whether the TS is moving forward or stationary.
> Which?

I move forward in a loop, slightly into the set and then to the
right around the person next to me who is backing out (not
meaning that I go all the way around them, just curving so that
I avoid them), ending up facing on the diagonal in progressed
place and ready to go forward to my new corner.

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--- SUSAN B BOOKER <susantiq-AT-
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> I really like the idea of "dance angels" - but how are they to
> be determined? Often, especially at "contemporary" contra
> dances (as well as some local ECDs), I've seen dancers with
> only a couple of months of experience, or"perpetual beginners"
>  assume that they are experts. While their willingness to help
> even more rank beginners is commendable, the results often
> leave much to be desired, and badly learned practices spread.

There are times when I see this and I want to go over and rescue
the person being "helped", but I'm not sure how to do it
politely. It's been especially noticable to me recently where
two particular people at Scandinavian are concerned. He's not
nearly as good a dancer as he thinks he is, and I don't want him
teaching this particular woman bad habits because after only a
few months of dancing she is already better at the dances she
knows than he is.

> ...And weekend dances often have a very different group of
> dancers than do the (typically) week-night sessions, which in
> my area, are more devoted to learning and practice...whereas
> many of the offending weekenders show up once every month or
> so, and show little interest in weeknight events

There are people who _never_ come to the teaching period to
learn new dances, then try to learn turning dances by imitation
as though they were doing Balkan line dances. I always feel
sorry for their partners who are being dragged around the room
and don't look like theya re enjoying themselves in the least.

>  I quite agree with Andy's points about unnecessary and
> annoying "embellishments"- it seems that newcomers pick up on
> the ruffles and flourishes well before they acquire the
basics,
> probably because the "extras" are showy and eye-catching.

I have to admit to putting in my own favorite flourishes
sometimes, but I also am very aware of my space and don't dance
with my feet flying out into other people's space. There are
people who are badly out of control even when they _aren't_
doing anything fancy. Those are the ones who are most dangerous.

When waltzing, I'm one of the most predictable people on the
floor and if someone is looking it's easy to know where I'm
going, but the other night some guy backed his partner straight
out toward the wall and between my feet and she tripped me. I
didn't quite hit the floor, but hurt myself trying to stay
upright and not drag my partner down with me. Being rather
petite, she told me that she'd just learned that she can't keep
me from falling. 

> With a tricky left shoulder, I avoid dance venues where I know
> I'll be unwillingly twirled and turned under by those whose
> enthusiasm exceeds their expertise.

One of my friends has a fairly severe case of scholiosis and
she's had to stop dancing because every time she does someone
jerks her around and throws her back out. Whereas "normal"
people have some flexibility the length of their back, her upper
back is fairly rigid and the lower back has to absorb all of the
twisting.

> Yes, Genny also told me to "Resist!", but sometimes it's not
> possible, when a dancer is physically stronger and insistent
> (and completely in his own world, and showing no regard for
his
> partner or others on the dance floor).

I fault the callers'teachers for not teaching people to respect
those around them and avoid injuring them.

> Obviously, I always tell my partners that I have a problem
with
> the left shoulder, and they are usually considerate about it.
> But what about others in the set? How does a dancer with a
> slight limitation notify them without seeming to be accusatory
> or portraying herself as a frail flower? And it's the badly
> done ruffles and flourishes that cause the problems...

If they were taught proper etiquette, they wouldn't even have to
be told. I remember a week at Brasstown some years ago at which
Brad Foster requested at the beginning of the first day's Contra
class that he would like to see good solid basic dancing and not
a lot of fancy flourishes. I don't think that anyone there could
say that they didn't have a good time that week because of his
request. Good solid basic dancing is a lot of fun.

> I've even had a corner try to turn me under (by the left arm)
> when I was wearing a sling. ...Such obliviousness isn't
> confined to newcomers, of course...and is a related but
> separate issue.

The newcomers are often less likely to do harm than the
oblivious oaf who thinks he knows it all.

As my friend Marty and I have concluded long ago, there are
three kinds of dancers. There are the beginners who are forgiven
their sins because they're new to this and haven't had time to
learn differently. There are the good dancers who really _do_
know what they are doing and pay attention to what's going on
around them. And there are the perpetual beginners, for whom
there is no excuse.

Andy in PDX OR

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Andrew Peterson wrote "Reel Nutmeg had a dance that we did as comic
relief that was called "Pickadilla" or "The New Bo-peep", which is in
one of Sharp's country dance books. It is a longways for as many as
will, non-progressive. I can't recall now if you only interacted with
your partner or if it was a duple minor.

New Bo-Peep was published in the 1st edn (1651) of the Dancing Master
and was include in all editions of the first volume.  Although described
as longways for as many as will, which normally implies a progression,
there is no progression.  Each dancer only interacts with their partner
with the chorus figure being the same for each of the three standard
figures excepting that the chorus is started alternately by the men
first time  and women second time etc.

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Dear ECD List Friends,

This is an "early alert" for any interested people to mark your calendars
for another world-class dancing weekend in beautiful Amherst, Massachusetts,
to be held Sept 21-22, 2002.

More details will come later, but the basics are in place.  Once again we
will have as our leaders the internationally renowned (& locally
beloved/admired) Philippe Callens of Belgium and Brad Foster of the United
States.  

Music will be provided by New Englanders (transplanted if not native) Karen
Axelrod, Doug Creighton, Joyce Crouch, Mary Lea, and Chris Rua.  We will
dance in two great dance halls with superb wood floors, Munson Library in
Amherst and the spacious Guiding Star Grange in nearby Greenfield.

Special notice:  Previous attendees will be pleased to learn that this time
around we definitely do *not* plan to include the mosquitoes &/or the
90-degree temperatures that accompanied the fun of the June 2001 Across the
Atlantic weekend!  :)

Instead, we are confidently predicting cool-ish temperatures, no bugs, and
beautiful fall foliage typical of late September in western Massachusetts.

Hope many of you can join us for Across the Atlantic 2002!

Joyce Crouch

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I did get hold of that great Sydney Carter poem, "Man 
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On Thu, 28 Feb 2002 15:06:29 -0500 (EST) DavBarnert-AT-
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> Don Bell wrote:
> 
>  >"Dance angels" (I'm not sure who first coined the phrase)
> 
> My guess is Gene Murrow.
> 
> Gene?

Well, for the historical record (which no doubt will be Alan's archive of
this list-- if only John Playford had hosted a listserve!)...

I might be able to take the responsibility/blame for first use of the
term "dance angels" in an official printed ECD-related document.  It was
when I was Director of Early Music Week at Pinewoods in the early 90's
and I wanted to encourage some experienced dancers to join the daily
class for beginners.  I wrote letters to several folks who I thought
would be suitable (addressing another recent thread about who chooses),
inviting them to volunteer.  We then scheduled each angel for no more
than a couple of classes during the week so they could also dance with
their experienced peers.  I had floated the concept with a couple of EMW
regulars-- Gina Jenkins and Tom Anastasio of College Park, MD, and the
term grew out of our discussions.  Perhaps they invented it, or had heard
it before, or I invented it, or we invented it as a group, or it came to
us from above via a dove alighting on my shoulder, or...

Gene

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"Dance Angel" is a helpful term that has been around in Modern Western
Square Dancing for decades.  In that context, refers to the experienced
dancers who attend MWSD lessons in order to fill out squares and demonstrate
for the teachers.

R.

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Been there - ouch

Also was at a dance once when the musicians spontaneously decided about 3
times through the dance to start playing it as a round - it resulted in chaos.

Brooke Friendly in Ashland OR

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Susan Booker wrote:  

>    ...   With a tricky left shoulder, I avoid
>dance venues where I know I'll be unwillingly twirled and turned under by
>those whose enthusiasm exceeds their expertise. Yes, Genny also told me to
>"Resist!", but sometimes it's not possible, when a dancer is physically
>stronger and insistent (and completely in his own world, and showing no
>regard for his partner or others on the dance floor). Obviously, I always
>tell my partners that I have a problem with the left shoulder, and they are
>usually considerate about it. But what about others in the set? How does a
>dancer with a slight limitation notify them without seeming to be accusatory
>or portraying herself as a frail flower? And it's the badly done ruffles and
>flourishes that cause the problems...

     <stuff deleted>

>Solving this one is beyond me, however..although tactful words from
>experienced dancers and callers; generally addressed to those who
>unknowingly err may be of some use to those who are willing to listen and
>learn. Other suggestions?

I agree... there's a lot that experienced dancers and callers can say 
and do to show this sort of leadership.  Unfortunately, it happens too 
rarely.  Many of the aforementioned ruffles and flourishes are supplied 
by the "experienced" dancers.  And, more and more, callers are teaching 
less and less -- often because "experienced" dancers, who don't think 
they need the teaching, give the callers a hard time when they teach.  

I'd like to encourage callers to resist the temptation to comply with 
the wishes of those who think teaching isn't necessary.  This is not to 
say that such teaching can be inefficient or humorless.  Dance leaders 
oughta be prepared to teach, then do it.  Teaching and encouraging use 
of the basics and good etiquette will go a long way.  And an important 
piece of that etiquette is the seeking of agreement between dancers 
about flourishes before they erupt.  

There's also room for the organizers of the dance to take responsibility 
for the atmosphere on the dance floor.  Callers who are not local don't 
know the personalities or chronic problems of a group they are visiting.  
The organizers can apprise the callers and enlist their help.  
Interestingly, dancers are often more willing to listen to teaching from 
an out-of-town caller than from their local callers.  

Organizers also need to be willing to make some ruffles of their own 
when necessary... that is, to show a willingness to take a problem 
dancer aside and ask (or tell, if necessary) that local expectations of 
etiquette be respected.  It's my experience that this happens only 
rarely.  

It's also legitimate for a dancer who feels they've been abused to talk 
personally to the dancer who executed the rough maneuver.  Many dancers, 
of course, don't feel comfortable in that role.  I believe it's 
ultimately up to the organizers when complaints arise.  None of this 
talk needs to be unkind.  It's possible to be direct about such matters 
without chewing someone's head off.

Andrew Peterson wrote:  

>   ...   I fault the callers'teachers for not teaching 
> people to respect those around them and avoid injuring 
> them.

As above, I agree.

>   ...   And there are the perpetual beginners, for whom
> there is no excuse.

I generally disagree.  A lot of "perpetual beginners" are, frankly, 
learning disabled with regard to dance.  Many are doing the best they 
can -- unfortunately, not very well.  I see contra dancing as 
democratic dancing, and I'd like to see it stay that way.  Fortunately 
and unfortunately, that means accepting some individuals who have poor 
natural ability.  On the other hand, there are those who simply don't 
choose to learn or concentrate on participating as a member of the 
group of dancers.  Those folks are candidates for a conversation about 
the importance of respecting the dancers around them, just as are 
those who endanger others.

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At 10:15 PM 3/1/02 -0800, you wrote:
>--- SUSAN B BOOKER <susantiq-AT-
prodigy.net> wrote:
> > I really like the idea of "dance angels" - but how are they to
> > be determined? Often, especially at "contemporary" contra
> > dances (as well as some local ECDs), I've seen dancers with
> > only a couple of months of experience, or"perpetual beginners"
> >  assume that they are experts. While their willingness to help
> > even more rank beginners is commendable, the results often
> > leave much to be desired, and badly learned practices spread.

Helping beginners avoid dance angel imposters is definitely a problem.

The only almost fail-safe solution is micro-managing the encounter, i.e. 
pre-selecting angels before the dance and giving them their stealth 
assignment. In many situations this strategy may be difficult to implement 
(e.g. dependent on having a large enough group of dance angels you can 
count on).

If dance angel imposters select beginners, this could be a continuing 
problem. However, if beginners select dance angels, after a few tries they 
get much  better at selecting real dance angels and avoiding imposters. 
Another advantage to letting beginners choose is that it reinforces the 
habit of choosing, giving them the feeling that they have some control over 
their enjoyment of the dance evening, that they can choose to dance with 
some of the better dancers and that those dancers are usually willing to 
dance with them.

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help<br>
&gt; even more rank beginners is commendable, the results often<br>
&gt; leave much to be desired, and badly learned practices
spread.</blockquote><br>
Helping beginners avoid dance angel imposters is definitely a problem.
<br>
<br>
The only almost fail-safe solution is micro-managing the encounter, i.e.
pre-selecting angels before the dance and giving them their stealth
assignment. In many situations this strategy may be difficult to
implement (e.g. dependent on having a large enough group of dance angels
you can count on).<br>
<br>
If dance angel imposters select beginners, this could be a continuing
problem. However, if beginners select dance angels, after a few tries
they get much&nbsp; better at selecting real dance angels and avoiding
imposters. Another advantage to letting beginners choose is that it
reinforces the habit of choosing, giving them the feeling that they have
some control over their enjoyment of the dance evening, that they can
choose to dance with some of the better dancers and that those dancers
are usually willing to dance with them.&nbsp; <br>
<br>
Don<br>
<br>
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On Sun, 03 Mar 2002 15:47:08 -0500 Gene Murrow <gmurrow-AT-
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> ... or it [the term "dance angels"] came to us from above via a dove
alighting on my shoulder, or...
> 
On Sun, 03 Mar 2002 19:59:25 -0500 Ridge Kennedy <srkennedy-AT-
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> "Dance Angel" is a helpful term that has been around in Modern Western
Square Dancing for decades.  

I _thought_ that bird looked a little silly with the calico dress and all
the petticoats :-)

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----- Original Message -----
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<<If dance angel imposters select beginners, this could be a continuing
problem. However, if beginners select dance angels, after a few tries they
get much  better at selecting real dance angels and avoiding imposters. >>

The only problem with that, in my experience, is that the beginners seldom
figure out that the person they're dancing with is inept; they think it's
their own fault. They may not last long enough to learn to select the real
angels unless the organizers keep an eagle eye out.

Peace,
Paul

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--- Roger Diggle <diggle-AT-
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> Interestingly, dancers are often more willing to listen
> to teaching from an out-of-town caller than from their
> local callers.  

Reminds me of kids--kids may not obey Mom, but let someone
outside the family tell them the same darn thing and they
straighten right up. Are we reliving our childhoods?

Lyrl
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> --- Roger Diggle <diggle-AT-
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> > Interestingly, dancers are often more willing to listen
> > to teaching from an out-of-town caller than from their
> > local callers.  
> 
--- Lyrl Catherine Ahern <lyrl-AT-
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> Reminds me of kids--kids may not obey Mom, but let someone
> outside the family tell them the same darn thing and they
> straighten right up. Are we reliving our childhoods?

And here I was under the illusion that I'd never left it...

Andy

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Forwarded for a friend:

>  Dear Friends:
<snip>
>  By the way, for those of you who have not bought your tickets for March
>  9th - there are only a few left. Please note, tickets will not be
>  available at the door!!
>
>  For those of you that have forgotten about March 9th - take a peek at:
>
>  http://jasnact.tripod.com/aball.html
>
>  and then hurry up and buy a ticket. It should be a great evening.
>
>  Regards,
>
>  Marc

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Colleagues and Friends,
  The organizers of this year's conference are particularly interested
in reaching out to people with a wide range of interests--not just
academic scholars. 
  Please excuse cross-postings.
Lizbeth Langston
(with her hat on as an SDHS Board member)
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DANCE & THE CITY:  URBAN AND URBANE
Society of Dance History Scholars 2002 International Conference

Scholarly papers, panels, plenary sessions, round tables,
lecture-demonstrations, and workshops on a broad spectrum of dance
manifestations as they intersect with the human choreography of the city

Temple University,  Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA, June 20-23, 2002

SPECIAL EVENTS

Argentine Tango Milonga
a tango dance party at the opening night reception with Kelly Ray &
Lesley Mitchell

Temple Dance Faculty Concert
choreographies and historical reconstructions by Kariamu Welsh Asante,
Philip Grosser, and Sprezzatura

Rennie Harris PureMovement
Illadelph Legends: Honoring the Source performances during and
masterclasses after the conference

Dance & the City Videotape Arcade
an exhibition of Greater Philadelphia dancers and dance companies

Locating the History of Philadelphia Dance
a virtual exhibition from the Philadelphia Dance Archive Project

The chance to make a difference in six working groups:
Dance History Teachers, Early Dance, Ethnicity and Dance,
Reconstruction, Strategies for Doctoral Education, and Students in SDHS

and MUCH, MUCH MORE

Do what you've always wanted to do:  visit the historic City of
Philadephia and savor the delights of dance history in one memorable
journey.

Mark your calendars June 20-23:  Philadelphia, USA!

See our Web site at www.sdhs.org for more information.
A brochure on the conference will be coming out in March.

Joellen Meglin
Chair, Local Planning Committee

Dr. Joellen Meglin
Associate Professor of Dance
Department of Dance
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I just discovered a very interesting - and relevant - online article from
the February 22 "Washington Post". It concerns historic reenactors, and
includes a number of anecdotes about and references to English country
dancing. I'm not sure how long it will remain online, so catch it while you
can.

Did those of you in the D.C. area gain any new dancers as a result of this
article?Unfortunately, it doesn't contain any direct references to area
dance groups, other than to a May 11 workshop, evidently sponsored by the
Living History Foundation.

Susan Booker
Lexington, KY

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Oops, forgot to include this in the previous message:

http://www.wahsingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A45399-2002Feb21.html

Susan Booker
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Make that:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A45399-2002Feb21.html

Trusting I got it right this time,

Susan Booker
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it's available for free for another day or two....14 days from
publication before it goes into archives...
need to spell "washington" correctly in Susan's URL, or go to
www.washingtonpost.com, enter "Costume Drama" in the site search box in
the upper righthand corner, then select the article.

--Deb

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> 
> Oops, forgot to include this in the previous message:
> 
> http://www.wahsingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A45399-2002Feb21.html
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> Susan Booker
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Couldn't get this to work.  Any suggestions? - d

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> In a message dated 3/6/2002 11:52:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
>susantiq-AT-
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> 
> 
>> http://www.wahsingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A45399-2002Feb21.html
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> 
> Couldn't get this to work.  Any suggestions? - d

Yeah: I'll zap a copy to ya.
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Added this week at http://www.mab.tgis.co.uk/michael/notations.html
===============

New Bo Peep/Piccadilly – The Dancing Master 1st Edn
Nonesuch – The Dancing Master 1st Edn

New Bo Peep is a longways for as many as will which can be done by as
few as one couples!
The interpretation of Nonesuch differs significantly from that published
by Cecil Sharp.

Next dances for uploading:
=========================

Black/Galloping Nag
Cold and Raw
Jamaica

Please feel free to use my interpretations but note that the material is
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is no charge for use, but I would appreciate an email to let me know how
it went and what people thought of it (good or bad comments equally
welcome).  Please email me off list if you need any clarification or if
you have any requests for specific dance interpretations.

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The Bishop - Thompson, Twenty Four Country Dances for the year 1778
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>Hi Sharon.

I asked Mary if it was OK to send you Halsway Manners and she said she 
already faxed you a copy.  Did you get it?  If not, I 'll send you one.


Victoria Bestock


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Dear ECD Friends:

We at CDNY are still in denial -- but we must come to grips with the fact that Sharon, David and Michael are really and truly leaving NYC and returning to the Bay Area from whence they came lo these many years.

So there's nothing else to do but throw a party and send them off in fine style.  Please join us for CDNY's

Farewell Blowout Hoohah for Sharon, David and Michael

Sunday, May 19th from 3 to 8 p.m.
Congregation Beth Elohim, Park Slope, Brooklyn

There will be

A Cavalcade of Callers
A Mass of Musicians
A Potluck Feast

The Dearly Departing (Sharon, David & Michael)

And YOU!

If you would like to join the callers, please contact Beverly Francis directly at bhfrancis-AT-
aol.com

If you would like to join the musicians, please contact Cynthia Simonoff directly at cynthiashaw-AT-
mindspring.com.

For your food offerings -- appetizer, salad, main dish, dessert -- and any other questions, please contact me directly at sfordnyc-AT-
aol.com.

Please do NOT contact Sharon directly for details about this event.  Believe it or not, she is not organizing it in any way shape or form -- she's the guest!  And she has quite enough to do with renovating their house.

A REMINDER:  To contact directly, paste the desired email address into a new message -- do not Reply to this one.

We look forward to seeing you!

Suzanne Ford
CDNY
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If you're considering coming in for the Farwell Blowout Hoohah -- make a weekend of it!

Country Dancers of Westchester is having a special dance on Saturday May 18th featuring Philippe Callens. 

It's at their usual location -- the Church of Highlands in White Plains -- 40 minutes or so north of Manhattan.

I don't have all the details at my finger tips (literally), but I'm sure someone from CDW will add to this notice.

Hope to see you!

Suzanne






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On Thu, 7 Mar 2002 SFORDNYC-AT-
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> Country Dancers of Westchester is having a special dance on Saturday
> May 18th featuring Philippe Callens.
> 
> It's at their usual location -- the Church of Highlands in White
> Plains -- 40 minutes or so north of Manhattan.
> 
> I don't have all the details at my finger tips (literally), but I'm
> sure someone from CDW will add to this notice.

i can add a shameless advertisement of who the musicians will be:
ellen tepper, robin russell, norma castle, and susie lorand.

cheers,

susie lorand
princeton, nj, usa

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<< Dear ECD Friends:


We at CDNY are still in denial -- but we must come to grips with the fact 
that Sharon, David and Michael are really and truly leaving NYC and returning 
to the Bay Area from whence they came lo these many years.


So there's nothing else to do but throw a party and send them off in fine 
style.  Please join us for CDNY's


Farewell Blowout Hoohah for Sharon, David and Michael


Sunday, May 19th from 3 to 8 p.m.

Congregation Beth Elohim, Park Slope, Brooklyn


There will be


A Cavalcade of Callers

A Mass of Musicians

A Potluck Feast


The Dearly Departing (Sharon, David & Michael)


And YOU!


If you would like to join the callers, please contact Beverly Francis 
directly at bhfrancis-AT-
aol.com


If you would like to join the musicians, please contact Cynthia Simonoff 
directly at cynthiashaw-AT-
mindspring.com.


For your food offerings -- appetizer, salad, main dish, dessert -- and any 
other questions, please contact me directly at sfordnyc-AT-
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Please do NOT contact Sharon directly for details about this event.  Believe 
it or not, she is not organizing it in any way shape or form -- she's the 
guest!  And she has quite enough to do with renovating their house.


A REMINDER:  To contact directly, paste the desired email address into a new 
message -- do not Reply to this one.


We look forward to seeing you!


Suzanne Ford

CDNY



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People have been asking about the next NOMAD date (annual fall
festival in Newtown, Connecticut for those who don't already know).  
We just got the school schedule and the available dates for us are
Oct 18-20, or Oct 25-27.  The school would prefer us on Oct. 18-20.

Would people on this list let me know about potential conflicts? 
This would include any major folk music or dance events, not just
English.

Thanks.
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> Oct 18-20, or Oct 25-27.  The school would prefer us on Oct. 18-20.
> 
> Would people on this list let me know about potential conflicts? 
> This would include any major folk music or dance events, not just
> English

The celebration of the 10th anniversary of the Pleasures of the Town/Amherst 
ECD is the 18th of October, so will probably involve and draw many.

Deborah

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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Oct 18-20, or Oct 25-27.&nbsp; The school would prefer us on Oct. 18-20.<BR>
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The celebration of the 10th anniversary of the Pleasures of the Town/Amherst ECD is the 18th of October, so will probably involve and draw many.<BR>
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> barbararuth-AT-
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> > Oct 18-20, or Oct 25-27.  The school would prefer us on Oct. 18-20.
> >
> > Would people on this list let me know about potential conflicts?
> > This would include any major folk music or dance events, not just
> > English

and wrote

> The celebration of the 10th anniversary of the Pleasures of the Town/Amherst
> ECD is the 18th of October, so will probably involve and draw many.

The BACDS Fall Dance Weekend will be the 18-20th.  Luckily for us, it's already
fully-staffed, so Nomad probably won't screw _us_ up.  (Yes, it's 3000 miles
away.)

-- Alan

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In a message dated 3/8/02 11:05:19 PM, barbararuth-AT-
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<< People have been asking about the next NOMAD date (annual fall
festival in Newtown, Connecticut for those who don't already know).  
We just got the school schedule and the available dates for us are
Oct 18-20, or Oct 25-27.  The school would prefer us on Oct. 18-20.

Would people on this list let me know about potential conflicts? 
This would include any major folk music or dance events, not just
English.

Thanks.
Barbara >>

The Baltimore Playford Ball will be Saturday, October 19, featuring music by 
The Flying Romanos. 

Carl Friedman
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ENGLISH COUNTRY DANCE FOR ADVANCED DANCERS

Please join us Sunday, March 17, 2002 for a wonderful afternoon of
dancing with experienced dancers. Complete familiarity with dance
figures necessary. This event will take place at the Munson library in
South Amherst, MA. Time is  2:00-5:00 PM. Admission $10 (includes refreshments)

Calling by Brad Foster and musicians will be Earl Gaddis, Beth Murray
and Chris Rua.


For information, call Ruth at 413-253-3828


*     *      *     *      *     *     *     *     *     *     *     *   
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Special bonus! Get another chance to enjoy Brad's calling by coming a
day early to the Pleasures of the Town English Country Dance on
Saturday, March 16, 8:00-11:00 PM at Munson. Musicians are Joyce Crouch,
Doug Creigton and Chris Rua. Admission $7.
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On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Barbara Ruth wrote:

> People have been asking about the next NOMAD date (annual fall
> festival in Newtown, Connecticut for those who don't already know).  
> We just got the school schedule and the available dates for us are
> Oct 18-20, or Oct 25-27.  The school would prefer us on Oct. 18-20.
> 
> Would people on this list let me know about potential conflicts? 
> This would include any major folk music or dance events, not just
> English.

rum & onions (the hallowe'en contra dance in princeton) is scheduled for
saturday, october 26.

cheers,

susie lorand


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Just out of curiousity, what was the status of ECD during the American Civil 
War and the British and American Victorian eras?                             
                                                                 Michael



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Re Barbara Ruth, and Nomad conflicts, The NY Pinewoods Folk 
Music Club will be having their Fall Weekend on Oct 18-20.



+++++Sol "Roundman"  Weber --- "So many rounds, so little time"
+++++25-14  37th St, Astoria, NY 11103; 718-278-4389 (after 11am)
++SINGERS and musicians, contact me for info on books, albums, and 
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Rum & Onions, a day-long contra event, is held on the last weekend in Oct.

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Michael Serafin wrote:

> Just out of curiousity, what was the status of ECD during the American Civil
> War and the British and American Victorian eras?

It was quite out of fashion in the urban ballroom, with a very few exceptions.
(Virginia Reel / Roger de Coverly was still done.)  By the early 1860s, Mr.
Hillgrove's manual deprecates the old-fashioned and excessively merry contry
dances, but gives six of them anyway.

Contemporary accounts show that ballroom programs were overwhelmingly couple
dance (waltz/galop/polka/polka redowa) and quadrilles.

Contra dancing was still happening in rural New England, big circle in
Appalachia, squares (presumably) in the Midwest and West, and "barn dance"
country dances in rural England, but this was all off the radar of anyone who
published (except for maybe Thomas Hardy).

No market for dancing masters in ECD, no ECD publications.  As population
concentrated in the cities, no general exposure to ECD.

This is why Sharp's efforts of the early 1900s are called a "revival."

-- Alan


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The weekend after next (March 23/24) we have our annual Workshop Weekend in 
Edinburgh. This year, following the success of having an overseas Teacher 
last year(Gene Murrow) we have the wonderful prospect of a weekend in the 
tender care of Simone Verheyen from Belgium. 
    She has drawn up a really varied and interesting programme for the 
weekend, travelling from classic Playford to modern compositions 
(particularly those of Aegle Hoekstra) and on through to Contras and Squares.
    Anyone interested should have a look at 
                                <A HREF="http://">www.nicolasbroadbridge.com
</A>
    where all details will be found, plus downloadable (I don't believe I 
just wrote a word like that!) forms. 
    What is not there is the welcome which awaits anyone who cares to join us 
for all or part of the weekend, but that will have to be experienced "in the 
flesh"!

Nicolas B., Lanark, Scotland.   
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> People have been asking about the next NOMAD date (annual fall
> festival in Newtown, Connecticut for those who don't already know).  
> We just got the school schedule and the available dates for us are
> Oct 18-20, or Oct 25-27.  The school would prefer us on Oct. 18-20.
> 
> Would people on this list let me know about potential conflicts? 
> 

The Boston CDS Fall Favorites dance will be on October 26.

Arthur Ferguson

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<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">People have been asking about the next NOMAD date (annual fall
<BR>festival in Newtown, Connecticut for those who don't already know). &nbsp;
<BR>We just got the school schedule and the available dates for us are
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The following post barely falls within list charter, and only because
the editor or CDSS news asked about the following quote in the latest issue:

"We're fools whether we dance or not, so we may as well dance." 

Nevertheless, perhaps my reply to the editor is of interest to some.

I got my copy of CDSS news Friday and for once read through the whole
thing right away.  The quotation is actually from the lyrics of a
regional folkdance called "Awa odori" from Tokushima prefecture on the
island Shikoku that is just south of the main island, Honshuu, in Japan.
("Awa" is the old name for that region.)  This dance is a "bon odori",
i.e., a dance for the festival of returning ancestral spirits, which
takes place in July/August each year.  There are lots of different bon
odori from various regions, but Awa odori has become extremely popular
nationwide.  Tourists come from all over Japan for the Bon Festival in
Tokushima each year August 12-15.  It has a combination of simplicity
and exuberance that makes it easy to join in.  One can often see it
performed by various groups at neighborhood festivals in Tokyo, which is
nowhere near the original source of the dance.  (Similarly we have
contradancing in California.)

It's hard to describe Awa odori in words, so I've put a 4-minute mp3
file at <http://seki.csuhayward.edu/awa.mp3> for your listening
pleasure.  (Normally the dance would run for much longer; I have one CD
of Awa odori that consists of just two 26-minute cuts.)  Some of the
websites listed below have pictures, and in any case, you can find
useful links by inputting "awa odori" into Google.

If you listen to the mp3, it starts with just instruments (shamisen,
fife, drum, bells), then there are some encouraging shouts that have no
literal meaning:

"Ha! Yatosa! Yatosa!" [several times].

"Eraiyatcha! Eraiyatcha! Yoi yoi yoi yoi!"

The actual lyric only comes about 2:40 in, done in a shouting style:

"Odoru ahou ni miru ahou, onaji aho nara odoranya son son."

which literally means:

"We are foolish people who dance or see (people dance).
If after all we are foolish, we lose if we don't dance."

I think your translation in the newsletter

"We're fools whether we dance or not, so we may as well dance." 
is quite idiomatic and on the mark.  

Then the next lyrics are sung very slowly.  

"Awa no dono sama hachisuka-kou ga ima ni nokoseshi Awa odori"

"What Awa's Lord Hachisuka left us to the present day is Awa odori."

I just found on the web that there was a Lord Hachisuka who came to
Tokushima in 1585 and made it the capital of Awa (old name for that
region). The same website: 
<http://www.kagawa-jc.ac.jp/~steve_mc/shikoku/tokushima.html> 
has some history and translates the famous phrase as:

Dancers are fools; lookers-on are fools!
If both are fools, why not be dancing fools!

The name of the song, which dates back to the Edo period (1603-1867), is
*Yoshikono bushi*.  The liner notes tell me that this popular song
spread throught the country and actually replaced the original *Haiya
bushi* melody to which Awa odori was originally danced.  I haven't been
able to trace the history of this song yet, which is, of course, the
original source of the verse.  Doubtless the verse would be obscure by
now except for its preservation in the folkdance context.  

The following are some of the better sites about Awa odori in English:

http://www.country-dance.com/English/e-event/e-awaodori/awaodori-main.html
http://jin.jcic.or.jp/kidsweb/calendar/august/awaodori.html
http://jin.jcic.or.jp/atlas/festivals/fes12.html
http://www1.pref.tokushima.jp/english/awaodori/odori1_e.html [Requires Shockwave]

I thank my colleague Kazuo Yana for pointing me in the right direction
and ensuring the accuracy of my translation.

                                    Tom/Sven
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I'm trying to work out the dance Elverton Grove.  
Any assistance appreciated on the following questions:
are the figure 8s full figure 8s? in a 12 count?
is it a skipping step? and if so, is the rest of the dance a walking step?
is the dance "proper" throughout?

Thanks,

Dianna 
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The interpretation commonly used is that of Tom Cook. In it, the fig-8s are
full and occupy 12 counts (and are a bit of race even at that). I don't
remember whether or not Cook specifies sk.-s. for them, but I think you'd
never make it without.
The dance is proper. Very few "period" dances had improper couples (a few,
but not many). "King of Poland" "The Woman's the Man," and a handful of
others.



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At 04:33 PM 3/11/2002 -0600, Dianna Shipman wrote:
>I'm trying to work out the dance Elverton Grove.
>Any assistance appreciated on the following questions:
>are the figure 8s full figure 8s?

Yes.

>  in a 12 count?

Yes.

>is it a skipping step?

Yes.

>  and if so, is the rest of the dance a walking step?

Yes.

>is the dance "proper" throughout?

I'm not sure what you mean.  All are proper to start.  In A1 (5-8), 
partners cross and loop right to face one another.  At this point all are 
improper.  However, A2 brings everyone back home, and all are proper 
throughout the B music.

Elverton Grove is on our ball program [CDNY] and I believe the instructions 
are posted on our web site: www.cdny.org  We follow Tom Cook's 
interpretation, as published in Come Let's Be Merry.  It's a great 
dance--have fun!

Sharon Green


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Sharon Green wrote:

>We follow Tom Cook's interpretation, as published in Come Let's Be
Merry.  

For those seeking "authenticity" then beware that Tom Cook's
interpretation has some significant differences from the original.

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Can you suggest where I might be able to find the original?
Thanks for all the great help from everyone who responded,
Dianna

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| Sharon Green wrote:
| 
| >We follow Tom Cook's interpretation, as published in Come Let's Be
| Merry.  
| 
| For those seeking "authenticity" then beware that Tom Cook's
| interpretation has some significant differences from the original.
| 
| Michael Barraclough
| http://www.mab.tgis.co.uk
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|  
| 
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Well, it just so happens that I have *EG* here with me. Here are the
original instructions:
'All four turn single and foot it four times, the men change place with the
wo. turn single all four meet with their backs together and foot it four
times, all four to their proper places : | the two men lead through the two
we. and the two we. through the two men, the first cupple go the whole
figure through the 2 cupple, then the 2 cupple go the whole figure through
the first cupple the first cupple cast off.'



Yes, just like that.

Like a number of others, I have a hunger for seeing the sources and making
my own assessment of the adaptation. In this case, I always felt less than
satisfied with Tom Cook's very quick fig.-8s, but whaddya know, they seem
to be a feature of the original too.

But beware! I would *never* recommend, just for the sake of authenticity,
running the dance from these instructions and hoping it "works" (i.e., that
there is time enough for the figures; that the tune and the figures match;
that it progresses!). Nor running the dance from these instructions and
assuming that you will have a satisfying dance.

I have been (on and off) worrying at *EG* for a while now, like a dog with
a tough bone, and while I view Tom Cook's changes as rather aggressive, I
now don't wonder at them. I don't honestly quite know what the original
choreographer intended in the A section (and while the music has the double
|| after bar 8 that *suggests* a repeat, as in other sources, it nowhere
says, as it does in so many dances, "The first strain once, and the second
strain but once"). I remain puzzled by the end of the B section (I cannot
but be reminded of the period instructions that advise the leading couple
to *run* the figure through).

I don't think it's ever possible to say with conviction, Well, we'll just
do what they did. Firstly: we don't and can't know with certainty what they
did. Secondly: we have already (in ECD-land), for simplicity's sake, made
certain notable compromises--e.g, not for the most part using period
step-combinations; adapting many triple minors to duple minors; making
certain assumptions (is "set" in 1650 related to "foot it" in 1710? how? we
usually treat them as the same step) that link us and our work to other
English Country Dancers around the world. Thirdly, do we *want* to do what
they did? Are we re-enactors, or are we dancing for our pleasure and
betterment?

Myself, I always want to make an educated guess about what was happening on
the floor of the Dancing Schoole--but I have very few qualms about making
changes for modern dancers, so long as I show my work, as in a mathematics
examination.

There are the dances that may have used the tune they couldn't hear enough
of in 1689, the "Macarena" or "Who Let the Dogs Out" of their day--but the
dances themselves are negligible, and always were. There are the dances
that may always have been aimed over the heads of garden-variety spa-town
ballgoers. There are dances that are lost to us unless we use period
stepwork (some instructions say, "This must be danced using the
Minuet-step," and they are rarely wrong about that).

In sum, all of the dances we love represent *compromises* with the splendid
heritage. Tom Cook's "Elverton Grove" is not the dance that might have been
danced under the nose of Congreve--but it needn't be.

Graham

P.S. For a real reconstructor's nightmare, see "Trip to the Camp," the
other period dance to this tune. Oy vey 's mir.

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Elverton Grove is in Vol II (3rd and 4th edns) of the Dancing Master which was published by John Young.  It is also in Walsh's 24 for dances for 1712 (I think that's the right year).  In The Dancing Master it is called A Trip to the Camp: Or, Elverton Grove.

Tom Cooks version for modern consupmtion is published in Come Let's Be Merry, EFDSS, London 1975.  ISBN 0 85418 113 X

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> Can you suggest where I might be able to find the original?
> Thanks for all the great help from everyone who responded,
> Dianna
> 
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> 
> 
> | Sharon Green wrote:
> | 
> | >We follow Tom Cook's interpretation, as published in Come Let's Be
> | Merry.  
> | 
> | For those seeking "authenticity" then beware that Tom Cook's
> | interpretation has some significant differences from the original.
> | 
> | Michael Barraclough
> | http://www.mab.tgis.co.uk
> | 
> |  
> | 
> | 
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> 


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"Elverton Grove is in Vol II (3rd and 4th edns) of the Dancing Master which
was published by John Young.  It is also in Walsh's 24 for dances for 1712
(I think that's the right year).  In The Dancing Master it is called A Trip
to the Camp: Or, Elverton Grove.


Tom Cooks version for modern consupmtion is published in Come Let's Be
Merry, EFDSS, London 1975.  ISBN 0 85418 113 X"

Quite so; *except* that Walsh's dance is "Elverton Grove"; Young's dance of
1728 or thereabouts is "A trip to the camp; or, Elverton Grove," and uses
EG's tune, but has rather different (almost impossible! ) figures.
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--- Graham.Christian-AT-
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> 
> Well, it just so happens that I have *EG* here with me.

Now that is being prepared.  Do you always carry instructions to ECD
dances with you to work, just in case someone happens to ask for the
original instructions to something?


 (Various snips follow)
> Here are the
> original instructions: 

> then the 2 cupple go the whole figure through
> the first cupple the first cupple cast off.'

>  In this case, I always felt
> less than
> satisfied with Tom Cook's very quick fig.-8s, but whaddya know,
> they seem to be a feature of the original too.
 
> I have been (on and off) worrying at *EG* for a while now, like a
> dog with
> a tough bone, and while I view Tom Cook's changes as rather
> aggressive, I now don't wonder at them.

> we have already (in ECD-land), for simplicity's sake, made
> certain notable compromises--e.g, not for the most part using
> period
> step-combinations; adapting many triple minors to duple minors;
> making
> certain assumptions (is "set" in 1650 related to "foot it" in 1710?
> how? we
> usually treat them as the same step) that link us and our work to
> other
> English Country Dancers around the world. Thirdly, do we *want* to
> do what
> they did? Are we re-enactors, or are we dancing for our pleasure
> and
> betterment?

Graham, I am in complete agreement with you on the idea of making
original sources available, but accepting that modern ECD is a
phenomenon in its own right, that it's perfectly reasonable to adapt
dances in ways to suit our enjoyment of them, with the caveat that we
don't go so far as to "violate the spirit" of the dance, which of
course will be a subjective assessment that differs from dancer to
dancer.

Given that, for me the absolute joy of Elverton Grove is in that
first, and more imaginatively reconstructed section, with the balance
back and then swooping in and back and then across the line.  It is
exactly the kind of ECD moment that makes my heart lift up with joy
inside me.  I remember dancing it at the end of a long and tiring
NEFFA weekend, where I felt as though I could barely drag my body
from one point to another, and as soon as the music to Elverton Grove
began, feeling myself lifted up and carried on a swell of movement,
music and pleasure.  But like you, I have always been unsatisfied
with the rushed figures of eight, and felt that their awkwardness  is
an unsightly price to pay for the beauty of the first section.  As a
dancer, I would happily greet further revisions on the part of any of
you reconstructer/tinkerers who could tweak those figures of eight to
make the second half as joyously lovely as the first.

Barbara


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Here is a variation on Elverton Grove that seems to work and is not as
hectic as the Cook version.

A1	(same as before) All turn single and set (or balance fwd & back);
cross over with partner and turn left to face
A2	Repeat to places
B1	1-8	(same as before) Men lead thru ladies; ladies lead thru men
"The variation"
	9-12	1st couple half fig 8 thru the 2's
	13-14	All set once to partners (at this point the music is going
"ta taa, ta taa")
	15-18	2nd couple 1/2 fig up thru the 1's
	19-22	1st couple cast off & cross as 2nd couple moves up crossing

This version is based on another alternate version by John Millar. His
version has the 1st couple complete a full fig 8 after the "all set" in
bars 13-14 and then the 1's cast off as the 2's move up.
(I liked the idea of giving the 2's something more to do since, after
teaching a dance, I often find myself joining in at the bottom of the set.)


Lou Vosteen


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For those who might be in the vicinity of Cape Cod, Massachusetts 
this Friday: a low-stress, enjoyable evening of English dancing:


Cape Cod English Country Dance
Friday, March 15
8 - 11 pm at the East Sandwich Grange,
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Surely, 19-22 is half a double fig of eight/Therefor with 2 1/2 figs of 8
and this double we have the equivalent of 2 whole figs of 8 as Per original.
ergo nothing is saved. Top Cooks version is more fun to dance anyway.
francis2.
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> Here is a variation on Elverton Grove that seems to work and is not as
> hectic as the Cook version.
>
> A1 (same as before) All turn single and set (or balance fwd & back);
> cross over with partner and turn left to face
> A2 Repeat to places
> B1 1-8 (same as before) Men lead thru ladies; ladies lead thru men
> "The variation"
> 9-12 1st couple half fig 8 thru the 2's
> 13-14 All set once to partners (at this point the music is going
> "ta taa, ta taa")
> 15-18 2nd couple 1/2 fig up thru the 1's
> 19-22 1st couple cast off & cross as 2nd couple moves up crossing
>
> This version is based on another alternate version by John Millar. His
> version has the 1st couple complete a full fig 8 after the "all set" in
> bars 13-14 and then the 1's cast off as the 2's move up.
> (I liked the idea of giving the 2's something more to do since, after
> teaching a dance, I often find myself joining in at the bottom of the
set.)
>
>
> Lou Vosteen
>
>

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What?       Wroughton Village Barn Dance
Who?        Expanding Waste Band
Who else?   Michael Barraclough
Where?      Ridgeway School, Inverary Road, Wroughton, Wilts
When?       Saturday 23rd March 2002, 7.30-11pm
How much?   £5 incl Ploughman’s Supper
Tickets?    01793 812282 (Julia) or 01793 438410 (Jean)
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Hi folks:

This April will see *two* celebrations put on by the St. Louis English
Country Dancers: the annual Playford Ball, and (six days
later) Miss Pamela's Cotillion, a special event featuring a variety of dance
styles.

The Playford Ball will be held on Saturday, April 6th at the First
Congregational Church of St. Louis (UCC), 6501 Wydown Blvd. in Clayton,
beginning at 7:30 p.m.; fancy dress (your definition). We'll have a list of
the dances shortly, and it'll be posted on the website (see below). It's our
first time in this building, and it looks like a good spot. To get there
take US-40 to Clayton-Skinker (if you're coming from the city and points
east) or McCausland (from points west); in either case, take
McCausland or Skinker northwards until you get to Wydown. Turn left (west)
on Wydown and go several blocks until you see the Washington University
dormitories on the right. (If you get to Big Bend, you've gone too far.)
Turn into the dormitory entrance, then *immdiately* turn right into the
small parking lot. That's the church's lot; the church is on its east end.
We're dancing upstairs; there is an elevator. Admission is $12.00 per
person, $20 per couple, $25 per couple; students $5.00. As always at the
Playford Ball, it's pot-luck snacks; bring things to munch on at
intermission. And we need folks to help decorate; e-mail ASAP if you're
available!

Miss Pamela's Cotillion, a celebration of fiddler Pam Carson and the 10
years of music (and fun) she has given us, will be held Friday, April 12th
at Church of the Holy Communion, Jackson at Delmar in University City (the
site of our usual Friday dances -- map on the website). We'll be including a
variety of dance styles, reflecting Pam's involvement in multiple dance
communities; they'll include ECD (of course), waltzes, contras, hambo,
ragtime two-step, a couple of international dances, and some surprises.
There's a workshop beginning at 6:45, plus mini-workshops throughout the
event -- all dances will be taught. Dancing starts at 7:30; fancy dress is
admired but not required. Again, we'll welcome snacks and drinks, and
beginners are
*definitely* invited. Admission is $5.00 per person, $9.00 per couple, $10
per family. Come sample a variety of dances, celebrate the beginning of
Pam's new adventure -- marriage and Cincinnati, in that order -- and thank
her for all the great times we've had together.

Music for both evenings will be provided by the Original Speckled Band;
Peter Wollenberg and friends will call dances at the Playford Ball, while
Peter will be joined at Miss Pamela's Cotillion by Rin Reagan & Patricia
Dressler (ragtime), Martha Edwards & Bob Green (waltz), Bill & Becky Coalson
(hambo), John Uhlemann (international) and callers to be named later. For
more information please e-mail (pstamler-AT-
pobox.com) or phone (314-664-9207),
or check the website, listed below. Out-of-town dancers, please let us know
if you'll need a place to stay; we can't guarantee one, but we'll try our
best.

Don't forget, while we're here, that there's one more English country dance
before these two events! It happens Monday, March 25th, at Focal Point Arts
Center, 2720 S. Sutton Blvd. in Maplewood; workshop at 7:00 sharp, dancing
7:30-9:30. Yes, we'll welcome snacks and drinks there too, but you knew
that, right?

A splendid time is guaranteed for all. Three splendid times, in fact.

Yr. Ob't Sec'y,
Paul

Website: http://members.aol.com/paradiseMO/English.html


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Hi, guys.  I'm thinking of taking a few hours off this weekend and 
coming out there to the two dance events Sat. eve and Sun. aft.

Is there any chance I could crash at your house?

Thanks.
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 Sorry Emily...we aren't going to be home Saturday night. We might make it to Sundays dance it depends on the energy level ...another time ...Helen
 "Emily L. Ferguson" <elf-AT-
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Is there any chance I could crash at your house?

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The 16th Annual Washington Spring Ball will be held on Saturday, May 18, in 
Silver Spring, Maryland (suburban Washington, DC).

Details are on the web:

Flyer, with list of dances:   just.net/~roger/ball2002

Registration form (easy to print):   just.net/~roger/ball2002/reg.html

Directions:   just.net/~roger/ball2002/directions.html

Note: add "www" and a period in front of the urls to make them complete

If you have questions, please feel free to drop me a line.

Best regards,

-- Roger W. Broseus
    Registrar, 16th Annual Washington Spring Ball, May 18, 2002



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A Country Dancers of Westchester special event is 
scheduled to take place on Sunday afternoon, March
24th (that's the day after the Celebration of  Spring
Ball)
 
Under the title "Terpsichore's Fancy" -- it's a 
Renaissance Dance Workshop taught by Dorrie Olsson and
Kaspar Mainz, two of the foremost authorities on the
subject.
 
It'll be at the Parish Hall of St. John's Episcopal 
Church in Larchmont, NY from 2pm to 5pm, with a break
midway for tea and munchies.
 
We call your attention to the event now so you can 
sign up in advance since the workshop is limited to 50
dancers.  The balcony has room for  on-lookers. 
 
Wearing their costumes of the Renaissance, the 
teachers are wonderfully inspiring! They'll teach a
range of dances: some simple (and fun!) and  others
challenging. Their focus is enjoyment!
 
The cost for dancers is $15., and for on-lookers, 
it's $7. (photo-ops and delicious refreshments
included)
 
For more info., or to sign-up, please call Bea (201)
768-9542 or Susan (914) 762-8619.


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On Monday, March 18, 2002, at 08:39 PM, Carl Andersen wrote:

>
>
> A Country Dancers of Westchester special event is
> scheduled to take place on Sunday afternoon, March
> 24th (that's the day after the Celebration of  Spring
> Ball)
>
> Under the title "Terpsichore's Fancy" -- it's a
> Renaissance Dance Workshop taught by Dorrie Olsson and
> Kaspar Mainz, two of the foremost authorities on the
> subject.
>
> It'll be at the Parish Hall of St. John's Episcopal
> Church in Larchmont, NY from 2pm to 5pm, with a break
> midway for tea and munchies.
>
> We call your attention to the event now so you can
> sign up in advance since the workshop is limited to 50
> dancers.  The balcony has room for  on-lookers.
>
> Wearing their costumes of the Renaissance, the
> teachers are wonderfully inspiring! They'll teach a
> range of dances: some simple (and fun!) and  others
> challenging. Their focus is enjoyment!
>
> The cost for dancers is $15., and for on-lookers,
> it's $7. (photo-ops and delicious refreshments
> included)
>
> For more info., or to sign-up, please call Bea (201)
> 768-9542 or Susan (914) 762-8619.
>
>
> __________________________________________________
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> http://sports.yahoo.com/
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>
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Sorry about the blank message reply.  I have a new mail client, which I 
am not fully used to yet, and it sent a miscomposed draft with no 
opportunity to call it back when I hit the wrong button by mistake.

--mike

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>Under the title "Terpsichore's Fancy" -- it's a 
>Renaissance Dance Workshop taught by Dorrie Olsson and
>Kaspar Mainz, two of the foremost authorities on the
>subject.
 
Could you post a little more about what specifically they will be
teaching and what their credentials are?

Susan
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> 
> >Under the title "Terpsichore's Fancy" -- it's a 
> >Renaissance Dance Workshop taught by Dorrie Olsson and
> >Kaspar Mainz, two of the foremost authorities on the
> >subject.
>  
> Could you post a little more about what specifically they will be
> teaching and what their credentials are?
> 
> Susan
> 

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Tehre is an obon festival, very small, in Sebastopol CA as
well, hosted by the local Buddhist temple.  Could be one in
your town as well.  Check it out.  Lots of fun.

"wlinden-AT-
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> 
>    New York's public Obon Festival, run by the New York Buddhist Church, occurs in Bryant Park on the second Sunday in July, with all invited to join the BON ODORI.

-- 
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I just returned from my quickie trip to Germany where I taught a Playford
weekend at a castle. www.burg-fuersteneck.de/nachlese/altemusik02 has some
pictures. As I had discovered previously, in Germany at least Playford does
NOT run under folk dance but rather under historical dance. And - following
the custom introduced by Georg Goetsch, who wrote the first German manual
for ECD in the 20s - ALL ECD is called "Kontra", regardless of formation.
This is most probably because the interpretation of 'contra' is of the
'opposite each other' persuasion.
I discovered a website with a calendar listing 'historical' dance events
all over Europe. It may be of interest to some of you dance gypsies... 
www.early-dance.de/    most of it in English...

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This request came through on the SCD list and Vivienne agreed to my
forwarding it to the ECD list.

Please include Vivienne <odonnell-AT-
tin.it> on replies.

Thanks.
Pat

----Original Message-----
From: Vivienne O'Donnell [mailto:odonnell-AT-
tin.it]
Sent: 19 March 2002 11:38
To: Ian Brockbank
Subject: request for information about country dancing


Hi Ian,

I'm sure we were in touch a couple of years ago when I was seeking
information about country dancing on the net. You were very helpful at the
time, so I'm taking the liberty of picking your brains yet again.

I'm doing  'English through counrty dance' projects in various primary
schools here in southern Italy. The idea is that by giving instructions in
English the children can begin the process of listening and understanding in
a practical way. It is not a language course just a support programme, but I
must say it has been incredibly successful. Italian primary school children
in this area have little opportunity for physical exercise during the school
day, although P.E. is part of the curriculum. So the project has had other
benefits too.

Some of the schools are putting on a show in a couple of weeks'  time and
have asked me for some information about the origins of the dances. If I
give you a list of dances we have used in our programme perhaps you might be
able to suggest where I can get more information about them if you are not
familiar with them yourself:

English Dances

Dorset Ring Dance
Buttered Peas
Lovers' knot

Scottish Ceilidh Dances

Elephant Walk
Sheena's Saunter
Gay Gordons
Virginia Reel (this is the Scottish version)

I'd be more than grateful for any help you can give me. Look forward to
hearing from you.

Regards

Vivienne

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Subject: Re: FW: request for information about country dancing
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Pat wrote:

> This request came through on the SCD list and Vivienne agreed to my
> forwarding it to the ECD list.

> Please include Vivienne <odonnell-AT-
tin.it> on replies.


> Some of the schools are putting on a show in a couple of weeks'  time and
> have asked me for some information about the origins of the dances. If I
> give you a list of dances we have used in our programme perhaps you might be
> able to suggest where I can get more information about them if you are not
> familiar with them yourself:

> English Dances

> Dorset Ring Dance

"Traditional English Dance"; from the name, probably collected in Dorset.
http://www.efdss.org/edcat.htm  - EFDSS catalog of educational goods, which has
some wonderful stuff - I need to place an order - shows that they've included
it in their new folk kits for children.

> Buttered Peas

There's a tune of that name and a dance for the tune (which can get done to
other tunes).   I've heard that the name is an English misprision of the
original Welsh name of the tune, which means something rude in English if
literally translated.  However, the tune indexes I find on the web credit it to
Yorkshire, if anywhere.  The tune has been recorded a lot.

> Lovers' knot

Lover's knot is a kind of Celtic knot; the figures of this (RSCDS-approved!)
Scottish dance make a Lover's knot (according to www.strathspey.org/dd/, the
Scottish dance database.)  Quite a different figure under the name "The True
Lover's Knot" is found in Wilson.  One of John Hertz's modern Regency
choreographies, "Want of Management" features a True Lover's Knot.  It's not an
easy figure.

> Scottish Ceilidh Dances

Scottish Ceilidh is a syncretic tradition that gathers in whatever works.  The
top three dances are all more-or-less English Sequence Dances - a form popular
perhaps 1890s to 1920s, then on the downhill slide but revived in the 1940s
and called "Old Time".

The Gay Gordons feels just like an English Sequence Dance of roughly 1900, but
I heard a couple of years ago from Stan Isaacs, who'd been going through
sequence dance indexes (and agreed with me that it felt just like such a dance)
that it hadn't turned up in any indexes in as far as he'd gotten, which was
about 1910.

> Elephant Walk
> Sheena's Saunter
> Gay Gordons

  See http://www.scottishdance.net/ceilidh/GayGordonsDiscussion.html
  for an interesting discussion (with quotes from a couple of ECD members) on
  variation and history of Gay Gordons.

> Virginia Reel (this is the Scottish version)

  Which Scottish version?  
   (40-bar 4cpl longways, 68-bar 4-cpl longways, or 
   "New Virginia Reel" 128-bar square?)

The first version seems to be very much like the American version (the one
where you do everything with your partner); the last one totally different.

-- Alan

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Dear Friends,
  On the East Coast, Spring arrives at 2:16 in the afternoon 
Wednesday. Help us to celebrate by coming to our "Goodbye to Winter 
and Hello to Spring party".

  Because of the seasonal connotations of our dances, we have the 
power for one evening to make both seasons present, a balance of the 
light and dark, nature frozen and reborn.  Let's celebrate the 
equinox together!

The event will be at the Park Avenue Church in Arlington, driving 
directions can be found at our web site www.cds-boston.org.

Best,
  Terry
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Quoting:
>>Under the title "Terpsichore's Fancy" -- it's a 
>Renaissance Dance Workshop taught by Dorrie Olsson and
>Kaspar Mainz, two of the foremost authorities on the subject.<

Susan-AT-
generalist asked: 
"Could you post a little more about what specifically they will be
teaching and what their credentials are?"

Here's the post post:

They will teach a range of dances, offering the opportunity to learn easy
dances and more challenging ones.  Technique and dances from Arbeau,
Caroso, Negri and the Inns of Court manufscripts will be presented. 
Costume, etiquette and music will be considered.  At Sunday's workshop,
expect to see the pavan, branle, alman, measure, galliard, coranto and
canario.  

The teachers' credentials:

Dr. Dorothy Olsson completed her Ph.D. in Performance Studies at New York
University.  She is currently an Adjunct Professor of Dance Education at
NYU.  She is founder and director the The New York Historical Dance
Company, a group of dancers devoted to the study, recreation and
performance of dances from the fifteenth through the nineteenth centuries. 
The company has performed with Piffaro, Parthenia, the Philadelphia
Classical Symphony and the New Dance Group.  Dr.Olsson has given numerous
workshops in historical dance and has choreographed for the Folger Consort,
Western Wind, Mannes Camerata, Wake Forest University and Princeton
University.  Also she has choreographed for &/or directed many historical
theatrical productions at the Amherst Early Music Festival.

Kaspar D. Mainz specializes in the reconstruction and choreography of
historical dance forms.  In the last five years he has appeared in more
than 200 theatrical performances in Germany, Austria, Belgium, and The
Netherlands.   For six years, Mr. Mainz was the Artistic Director of
"Musica et Saltatoria" an ensemble which performed throughout Europe
offering music and dance from the Renaissance and other periods.  His
reconstruction of Beauchamp's Sarabande was presented at a dance conference
in London in 1996 and published in the Derra de Moroda Festschift in 1997. 
His instructions for historical dances for children have been published by
Schott Verlag.  He has taught at Salzburg University, University of
Leipzig, Salzburg Mozarteum, University of Nurnberg-Augsburg, and the
University of Graz.

***********************************
If you're in the CT-NJ-NY area, please join us for this special event next
Sunday, March 24th, from 2:00-5:00pm.  To register, call Susan at (914)
762-8619. 

Wear comfortable clothing and shoes (bring costumes if you have them!)
Shoes could be flat or with a small heel... those shoes you'd wear for ECD
would be fine.

The focus is to have fun and learn something interesting!
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Someone (maybe Alan) said:-
>
> > Buttered Peas
>
> There's a tune of that name and a dance for the tune (which can get
done to
> other tunes).   I've heard that the name is an English misprision of
the
> original Welsh name of the tune, which means something rude in English
if
> literally translated.  However, the tune indexes I find on the web
credit it to
> Yorkshire, if anywhere.  The tune has been recorded a lot.
>


The Welsh tune that Buttered Peas brings to mind is "Pwt ar y Bys" - and
I don't know what it means.  It tends to be the main tune used for Welsh
clog dancing - I know I have used it for 35 years and whenever I have
seen any other Welsh clog dancing that tune has all ways been used
somewhere in the medley.  I have just looked in the music book "Blodau'r
Grug" by "Cymdeithas Ddawns Werin Cymru" (The Welsh Folk Dance Society)
and although the tunes that can be translated have both the Welsh and
English titles - this has only got the Welsh.

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Hello, Hanny.
I've had Welsh harpers tell us the meaning, and it wasn't rude as far as
I know. It's something like 'a little piece for the fingers'.
All the best,
Siân
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Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote (in part):

> The Gay Gordons feels just like an English Sequence Dance of roughly 1900, but
> I heard a couple of years ago from Stan Isaacs, who'd been going through
> sequence dance indexes (and agreed with me that it felt just like such a dance)
> that it hadn't turned up in any indexes in as far as he'd gotten, which was
> about 1910.

There's also the Gay Gordons mixer from Berea. We used to use it a lot in
Pittsburgh. A very useful dance for all levels of skill.
--
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I am about to make some more dance costumes and am checking to see if anyone has
made these ones before, and if so, can they let me know what they thought.
Simplicity 9769 - Civil War Undergarments
Simplicity 9764 - Crinoline and Petticoat
Simplicity 9761 - Two piece dress 1850-1860
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Can someone refer me to a website which contains information (description of 
steps, figures) which would be useful to a beginning English Country Dancer?

Thanks,

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While I have made none of the new Simplicity historical costumes myself, the
posters on various Civil War civilian reenactor boards have spoken highly of
the two patterns for their era. They especially praised the dress's
decoration, but have also mentioned that the armscyes need to be slightly
lower on the dress, and that the sleeves of the chemise are a bit too full
at the top for accuracy. These problems are easily remedied if one wants to
go for total accuracy (as the reenactors do). For a good general period
dance impression, such meticulous accuracy may not be as important. The
instructions are also said to be clear and simple to follow.

Hope this helps...

Non-Seamstress Susan Booker
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Particularly for a beginning dancer the best advice is: find the closest
ECD group and dance your heart out! If there isn't one, check with the
international folk dancers. Particularly the older groups have a number of
English dances in their repertoire.
And EVERYBODY loves a newcomer who is eager to learn and participate!
Dancing is a physical and social art - book learning doesn't convey the
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Hanny has it right.  Interestingly that advice -- mutatis mutandis -- is 
just what I give beginning wood turners who want to find a book or video 
to learn from.

    Regards

    Dick Wexelblat

P.S.  You'll find a few of my wood turnings on 
http://tigerlilyworkshop.com.  You'll find the wordstoenglishdancetunes 
subsite there as well.


Hanny D. Budnick wrote:

>Particularly for a beginning dancer the best advice is: find the closest
>ECD group and dance your heart out! If there isn't one, check with the
>international folk dancers. Particularly the older groups have a number of
>English dances in their repertoire.
>And EVERYBODY loves a newcomer who is eager to learn and participate!
>Dancing is a physical and social art - book learning doesn't convey the
>half of it!
>
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Have a look at Colin Humes site at http://www.colinhume.com/ and then
click on the technique button.  There are then another 30 or so (almost
said 30 odd!) headings about dance.  It's  worth the read - and
hopefully it should give you further information that you are searching
for.

Trev



> Can someone refer me to a website which contains information
(description of
> steps, figures) which would be useful to a beginning English Country
Dancer?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Deborah
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We have a number of helpful references and articles on the Country Dance * 
New York website: http://www.cdny.org/english/

I also highly recommend Judi Rivkin's animated flash site:
http://rivkinetic.org/flash/ecdflash.html

Margherita Davis

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Can someone refer me to a website which contains information (description of
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> Particularly for a beginning dancer the best advice is: find the closest
> ECD group and dance your heart out! If there isn't one, check with the
> international folk dancers. Particularly the older groups have a number of
> English dances in their repertoire.
> And EVERYBODY loves a newcomer who is eager to learn and participate!
> Dancing is a physical and social art - book learning doesn't convey the
> half of it!
> 

Thank you to Hanny and the rest of you.  

I have located the terms I was looking for on the Country Dance of New York's 
website.

The person I am directing all your information to is Korean and newly arrived 
from some years of living in Oregon, and has already been to one contra 
dance.  (Her first.)  In talking with her, and though she enjoyed that 
experience well enough, I sensed she would like English Country Dance, 
including the music, even more, and want to get her pointed this direction 
ASAP.  Fortunately, she lives in the Amherst, Massachusetts (USA) area and I 
will certainly be taking her to some of those fine dances as soon as we can 
work it out.  I thought that in the meantime, it would be especially helpful 
for her to have a chance to become familiar with the terminology.

Cheer,

Deborah

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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Particularly for a beginning dancer the best advice is: find the closest<BR>
ECD group and dance your heart out! If there isn't one, check with the<BR>
international folk dancers. Particularly the older groups have a number of<BR>
English dances in their repertoire.<BR>
And EVERYBODY loves a newcomer who is eager to learn and participate!<BR>
Dancing is a physical and social art - book learning doesn't convey the<BR>
half of it!<BR>
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Thank you to Hanny and the rest of you.&nbsp; <BR>
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I have located the terms I was looking for on the Country Dance of New York's website.<BR>
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The person I am directing all your information to is Korean and newly arrived from some years of living in Oregon, and has already been to one contra dance.&nbsp; (Her first.)&nbsp; In talking with her, and though she enjoyed that experience well enough, I sensed she would like English Country Dance, including the music, even more, and want to get her pointed this direction ASAP.&nbsp; Fortunately, she lives in the Amherst, Massachusetts (USA) area and I will certainly be taking her to some of those fine dances as soon as we can work it out.&nbsp; I thought that in the meantime, it would be especially helpful for her to have a chance to become familiar with the terminology.<BR>
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I posted some notes for dancers here at
http://home.att.net/~diannashipman/BasicInfoEnglish.htm

Dianna

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  Can someone refer me to a website which contains information (description of steps, figures) which would be useful to a beginning English Country Dancer?

  Thanks,

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> I posted some notes for dancers here at
> <A HREF="http://home.att.net/~diannashipman/BasicInfoEnglish.htm">http://home.att.net/~diannashipman/BasicInfoEnglish.htm</A>
>  
> Dianna
> 

Thank you Diana!

These look to be most helpful.

Cheer,

Deborah

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">In a message dated 3/21/2002 1:45:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, diannashipman-AT-
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Thank you Diana!<BR>
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This came from one of the women in my Scandinavian group. (Her
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   I've been looking over some of the quadrilles in the various books in the
Library of Congress dance instruction manual site.  I've noticed that very
few, if any, of them specify tunes for the quadrilles.  Were there specific
tunes associated with quadrilles, or were they more like modern contra dances
where the band would play pretty much whatever they wanted?

   In a related question is there a site similar to the LOC dance manual
site with tune books instead?

   Thanks.

Jonathan

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I wonder whether anyone is acquainted with Jeremy Barlow's edition of
Playford? What's your opinion?

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The tune is the same, but the instructions in the Dancing Master to "A 
Trip to the Camp: Or, Elverton Grove" are for a completely different 
dance than the "Elverton Grove" in Walsh's 24 for 1712.  You can view "A 
Trip to the Camp . . ." at
http://www.izaak.unh.edu/nhltmd/indexes/dancingmaster/Dance/images/Play5714.gif
I don't have a copy Walsh's 24 for 1712, so I cannot provide the 
original directions to "Elverton Grove." 

Rich

Michael Barraclough wrote:

>Elverton Grove is in Vol II (3rd and 4th edns) of the Dancing Master which was published by John Young.  It is also in Walsh's 24 for dances for 1712 (I think that's the right year).  In The Dancing Master it is called A Trip to the Camp: Or, Elverton Grove.
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Hmm, you have access to materials I don't.  Kitty Keller and I are 
moving closer to publishing something on Sir Roger.  We are focusing 
more on the nineteen century, but I'm trying to catalog everything I 
can.  My 19th century sources are pretty much limited to what's 
available at the LOC.  

Could you please make photo copies for me of the 2 Scottish Virginia 
Reels you mentioned along with title page info sufficient for a proper 
bibliographic reference?  You could bring them to the CDSS Board meeting 
or mail them to me at:

Rich Galloway
2115 Hanover Street
Silver Spring, MD 20910

I'd be happy to reciprocate if there is something I you need.  
Thanks,
Rich

Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote:

>>Virginia Reel (this is the Scottish version)
>>
>
>  Which Scottish version?  
>   (40-bar 4cpl longways, 68-bar 4-cpl longways, or 
>   "New Virginia Reel" 128-bar square?)
>
>The first version seems to be very much like the American version (the one where you do everything with your partner); the last one totally different.
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Oops, I obviously intended that for Alan only.  Sorry.

Rich

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Rich wrote (meaning to send it to me alone):

> Hmm, you have access to materials I don't.  Kitty Keller and I are
> moving closer to publishing something on Sir Roger.  We are focusing
> more on the nineteen century, but I'm trying to catalog everything I
> can.  My 19th century sources are pretty much limited to what's
> available at the LOC.

> Could you please make photo copies for me of the 2 Scottish Virginia
> Reels you mentioned along with title page info sufficient for a proper
> bibliographic reference?  

and quoted me:

> Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote:

> >>Virginia Reel (this is the Scottish version)
> >>
> >
> >  Which Scottish version?
> >   (40-bar 4cpl longways, 68-bar 4-cpl longways, or
> >   "New Virginia Reel" 128-bar square?)
> >
> >The first version seems to be very much like the American version (the one where you do everything with your partner); the last one totally different.
> >

And I'm replying in public because I don't want to mislead anybody else.  I was
trying to respond in the terms of the original query.  The Scottish versions I
found were on Scottish ceilidh and RSCDS web pages.  I am as sure as I can be
without knowing the entire history of Scottish dance that these are modern
importations and adaptations.  I don't know what procedures RSCDS uses to bless
dances, but they don't appear to require proof of existence pre-1901.

(Judging by the one Scottish Ceilidh dance manual I have, Scottish Ceilidh is
what you might call a syncretist tradition.  Yes, it has some traditional
Scottish dance in it, and it's also got some 1920s/1930s English sequence
dance, and I kinda get the impression they have anything they can do to lively
Scottish-sounding music that's fun and doesn't take too long to teach.  Or to
put another way, they aren't hung up on historical authenticity.  Nor need they
be, of course.)

The "New Virginia Reel" is, according to a web-based publication database, in 
RSCDS Scottish Country Dance Book XXXIX Devisor: Anna Campbell Holden. It is
one of the dances animated at members.shaw.ca/dancimation/scd.html 

The other Scottish Virginia Reels I referred to were on ceilidh pages in a
google search.

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Rich Galloway writes:
> 
> Hmm, you have access to materials I don't.  Kitty Keller and I are 
> moving closer to publishing something on Sir Roger.  We are focusing 
> more on the nineteen century, but I'm trying to catalog everything I 
> can.  My 19th century sources are pretty much limited to what's 
> available at the LOC.  

   Are you also including the Irish version (Haymaker's Jig I think)?

Jonathan

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I noticed an Irish text that said they used Haymaker's as a closing 
dance, but haven't looked much beyond that yet.  If you know more, do 
tell.  

(Also, I see I had yet another typo in my misdirected message.  I should 
have said we were focusing more on the 18th century, not the 19th.)

Rich

Jonathan Sivier wrote:

>Rich Galloway writes:
>
>>Hmm, you have access to materials I don't.  Kitty Keller and I are 
>>moving closer to publishing something on Sir Roger.  We are focusing 
>>more on the nineteen century, but I'm trying to catalog everything I 
>>can.  My 19th century sources are pretty much limited to what's 
>>available at the LOC.  
>>
>
>   Are you also including the Irish version (Haymaker's Jig I think)?
>
>Jonathan
>
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Rich Galloway writes:
> 
> I noticed an Irish text that said they used Haymaker's as a closing 
> dance, but haven't looked much beyond that yet.  If you know more, do 
> tell.  
> 
> (Also, I see I had yet another typo in my misdirected message.  I should 
> have said we were focusing more on the 18th century, not the 19th.)

   I have no idea what it's history may be, but I've done it at some Irish
dances and noticed that the figures were very similar to Sir Roger, but with
some Irish stepping.

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Do you mean his book "The Complete Country Dance Tunes from Playford's
Dancing Master (1651-ca.1728)?  This only contains the music - no dance
instructions.

Michael Barraclough
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On Fri, 22 Mar 2002, Hanny D. Budnick wrote:

> I wonder whether anyone is acquainted with Jeremy Barlow's edition of
> Playford? What's your opinion?

It's a compilation of _all_ the tunes from the various editions of "The
Dancing Master" volume I from John Playford's first edition ("The English
Dancing Master") in 1651 through the last published around 1728.  He
tracks each tune, notes the changes in name & associated dance (but, as
Michael has noted, doesn't include dance instructions), as well as more
subtle changes in the tune.  Depending on what you do, you might find it
very useful or not useful at all.

It's most useful to me as a single source that I can turn to to find tunes
for many Playford dances.  Since reconstructions of these dances are
scattered among many publications, even with fairly extensive collections
of these, it's often hard to know where to look for a particular tune, so
it helpw to have them grouped together.  He has also included essentially
all of the history of the evolution of the tune during the period
involved, which is sometimes something I'm interested in.  His references
are very detailed, so that you can find out which edition to seek out for
more particulars if you need to do that.  It's a scholarly work.

The music is presented in a way that permits him to indicate the
variations that were printed in the different editions, and that adds a
bit of clutter for playing purposes which sometimes makes it less useful
as a practical source for players, but it is possible nevertheless to play
the tunes directly from the book.  I think on the average I probably use
it three or four times a year as the source of a tune provided to a band
to play for a dance.  While this isn't often, it's often enough to be a
significant help and it generally beats playing from a facsimile of the
original.

Being a scholarly rather than a playing edition, it doesn't have added
markings for modern practice, such as chords or repeats as they are di=one
in modern interpretations (original repeat markings are of course
indicated).

It also does not include the tunes from volumes II or III that were
published by the same publishers under the same title, but it does include
the tunes from the supplements to volume I.

Hope that helps.

Eric Arnold


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> Can someone refer me to a website which contains information (description of
> steps, figures) which would be useful to a beginning English Country Dancer?

How about:-

http://www.cam.ac.uk/societies/round/dances/elements.htm

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Please share this with others who might be interested, and announce at
local dances as you think might be appropriate.

an invitation to ... an afternoon of
    English Country Dance
    in Columbus Ohio

leading by Philippe Callens
    from Antwerp, Belgium

and music by  Amarillis
    from Pittsburgh PA

Sunday 
April 7, 2002
1-4 PM
$7

Fourth Ave Christian Church
296 West Fourth Ave
Columbus Ohio

Directions:
I-71 to 5thAve heading west, or
SR 315 to 5thAve heading east
to Neil Ave, drive south to W 4th Ave
(I-670 will be closed for construction)

Additional information:  
614-291-0282, josephpimentel-AT-
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Join us for the weekend!  
Contra Dance, Saturday, April 6, Philippe and Joseph Pimentel call with
Amarillis
    Big Scioty Barn Dance, 1st Congregational Church, 444 E Broad St.,
www.bigscioty.com
Shape Note Singing from the Sacred Harp, Sunday afternoon, 4-6
    4th Ave Christian Church,
www.math.ohio-state.edu/~econrad/fasola2.html
More English country dancing on Sunday night, 7:30-9:30, with Columbus
leaders and musicians
    St. Stephens Church, 30 W. Woodruff at High,
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This summer, I'll be teaching ECD to a group of dancers who are familiar with
international folk dance. For one session, I'd like to explore a dance where
different folks have interpreted Playford figures in different ways. The example
that first came to mind was Newcastle, where there are several different
interpretations. My concern about this particular dance is that it just may be
too complex for my audience... too many parts, too many confusing moves. I'd
like to have the dancers explore the problems inherent in reconstructing a dance
from 300-year-old printed directions without making them wallow in the
difficulties.

Can list members suggest other (slightly simpler) dances that might demonstrate
this point, dances where there are several alternate versions in circulation? 

Many thanks,

David Millstone
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Dave,

Irish Lamentation is a good option, with several reconstructions floating
about (Tom Cook, Nic Broadbridge, among others).  Some use the minuet
step, some not, some use 2 "B" music's, some only 1.  In any version it's
a beautiful dance which beginners can easily learn and enjoy.  Also,
there's an interesting essay on the dance, its multiple interpretations,
and related issues of historical reconstruction by Kitty Keller.  Its
title is something like "No Wonder the Dancers are Confused!" Ask her for
a copy.  Chuck Ward even has an alternate title: "The Plywood of Erin."

Gene Murrow, de-laminating with age

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> This summer, I'll be teaching ECD to a group of dancers who are 
> familiar with international folk dance. For one session, I'd like to
explore a 
> dance where different folks have interpreted Playford figures in
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You might like to take a look at my interpretation of Lilliburlero which
you can find on my web site and contrast that with the Cecil Sharp
version in the Country Dance Book and the dance of the same name and
tune, but with 3 separate parts, in Feuillet.

Michael Barraclough
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This summer, I'll be teaching ECD to a group of dancers who are familiar
with
international folk dance. For one session, I'd like to explore a dance
where
different folks have interpreted Playford figures in different ways. The
example
that first came to mind was Newcastle, where there are several different
interpretations. My concern about this particular dance is that it just
may be
too complex for my audience... too many parts, too many confusing moves.
I'd
like to have the dancers explore the problems inherent in reconstructing
a dance
from 300-year-old printed directions without making them wallow in the
difficulties.

Can list members suggest other (slightly simpler) dances that might
demonstrate
this point, dances where there are several alternate versions in
circulation? 

Many thanks,

David Millstone

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Thanks, Eric,
that is, indeed, a very thorough and helpful answer! One more entry on my
ever-growing wishlist......

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David - don't be fooled by Newcastle! Certainly among the older
international folk dancers are many who have a good repertoire of ECD.
Whatever was out on recordings in the 60s and earlier had a good chance of
being part of an intermediate or advanced international evening - and many
a demonstration (Fandango, Newcastle, Hey Boys, Parson's Farewell, Mr.
Beveridge's Maggot,Picking up Sticks, the Bishop, Dressed Ship, Shrewsbury
Lasses to name a few). Have fun!
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Jonathan...


Try a copy of Elias Howe vintage mid 19th century.  All of the quadrilles 
have specific tunes.

At 01:00 PM 3/22/2002 -0600, you wrote:
>    I've been looking over some of the quadrilles in the various books in the
>Library of Congress dance instruction manual site.  I've noticed that very
>few, if any, of them specify tunes for the quadrilles.  Were there specific
>tunes associated with quadrilles, or were they more like modern contra dances
>where the band would play pretty much whatever they wanted?
>
>    In a related question is there a site similar to the LOC dance manual
>site with tune books instead?
>
>    Thanks.
>
>Jonathan
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Both.  Some of the quadrilles have particular tunes associated with them 
(for example, The Columbian, which is danced to 'patriotic music') and 
some have many tunes (such as Lancers, which has its own music, but also 
has had many other pieces of music set to the right format).

I don't know of any music site that is quite as specifically helpful as 
the LoC site is for manuals.

--Mike Bergman


On Friday, March 22, 2002, at 02:00 PM, Jonathan Sivier wrote:

>    I've been looking over some of the quadrilles in the various books 
> in the
> Library of Congress dance instruction manual site.  I've noticed that 
> very
> few, if any, of them specify tunes for the quadrilles.  Were there 
> specific
> tunes associated with quadrilles, or were they more like modern contra 
> dances
> where the band would play pretty much whatever they wanted?
>
>    In a related question is there a site similar to the LOC dance manual
> site with tune books instead?
>
>    Thanks.
>
> Jonathan
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> the   |
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> call. |
> |  Beckman 
> Institute             |                                      |
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> Male           |
> |  Urbana, IL  61801             |          Dance 
> Gypsy                 |
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When I started dancing in the 1950s in the UK, ECD was part of the
international scene.
Alan Corkett
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David - don't be fooled by Newcastle! Certainly among the older
international folk dancers are many who have a good repertoire of ECD.
Whatever was out on recordings in the 60s and earlier had a good chance of
being part of an intermediate or advanced international evening - and many
a demonstration (Fandango, Newcastle, Hey Boys, Parson's Farewell, Mr.
Beveridge's Maggot,Picking up Sticks, the Bishop, Dressed Ship, Shrewsbury
Lasses to name a few). Have fun!
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Mike Mudrey writes:
> 
> Try a copy of Elias Howe vintage mid 19th century.  All of the quadrilles 
> have specific tunes.

   Do you have a specific title in mind?  The 3 versions of Elias Howe on
the LOC site don't seem to have tunes mentioned (at least I have been
unable to find any).  Are the tune names listed with the instructions
or is there a separate section of the book where it lists the dances
and the tunes to go with them?

Jonathan

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David, 
First, I often teach Newcastle to rank beginners (2nd or 3rd dance of the 
evening). With practice it can be done with a minimum of teaching. They 
don't do it well or gracefully, but they do get a good sense of the sort 
of variety that exists and the kind of choreography they have to look 
forward to. However, I agree that any complicated dance is a poor 
selection if one wishes to feature alternate techniques for 
interpretation. 
One dance that springs to mind for this latter purpose is Indian Queen. 
Folkdancers ought to be able to encompass the figures without much effort 
and then you can focus on alternative interpretations. 

Background: It has always been my own approach to trust more to my innate 
sense of what people of the period liked and how they would move to the 
associated tune, than the precedent set by other scholars in the field 
(e.g., C#). When I set out to re-interpret the instructions of the 
Playford editions more than 25 years ago, I began with intensive immersion 
into study and familiarization of myself with the architecture, art, 
clothing, landscaping, music and dance of the period from 1600-1650 in 
that order. Although I played and listened to much music and took some 
classes in Renaissance dance as part of this self education, I relied less 
on these experiences because it defeats the purpose of re-interpretation 
if one allows other's interpretations to weigh too heavily in the 
equation. Secondly I listened to the tune for each dance and asked myself 
how I would like to move to this melody if my tastes were those 
exemplified in Elizabethan gardens for example. Lastly I looked at the 
published instructions and began to modify my own figures to be consistent 
with those instructions (exceptions being where there have been obvious 
mistakes in published instructions). Of course, as one begins to interpret 
dances published in the 18th century, one needs to review the background 
material to be fully cognizant of the tastes of people who were born in 
the latter half of the 17th century. 

My interpretation of Indian Queen is identical to C# for 3/4 of the dance. 
In the second "B" music, I have the dancers do a left shoulder 
Back-to-back followed by 3 changes of the circular hey starting by passing 
partner left, neighbor right, and partner left shoulder (so new first 
corners find themselves facing for the next time through). 
It is my opinion that the if one follows the instruction for B1 (Right 
hands across followed by Left hands back), then working backwards to the 
beginning, one has committed to a 2-hand turn CLOCKWISE, preceeded by a turn single RIGHT, inturn preceeded by setting to the RIGHT first at least 
for the second corners. My choice of the same choreography for the 1st 
corners is dictated by the direction they are moving at the end of the 
previous time through the dance (later).  Once one has decided to follow 
the instructions for RIGHT hands across and left hands back (now moving 
ahead in the dance) a LEFT shoulder back-to-back is the "natural" figure 
to follow left hands across. Similarly starting the circular hey with 
passing LEFT shoulder follows a left back-to-back. The clincher for me is 
that the third change of the hey done this way, points the new first 
corners toward each other for a flowing segue into the next round of the 
dance. As the first corners pass their partners (LEFT shoulder) in the 
third change of the hey, they find themselves turned partly to their left 
and moving to their right which suggests that the setting toward the new 
1st corner should start on the RIGHT foot. So I interpret the beginning 
figure with the first corners based on what the end of the dance dictates 
but I reason the same choreography for the second corners based on the 
Right hands across that follows their 2-hand turn. 
Although I recognize that many dancers enjoy the stress of new first 
corners having to locate each other from the opposite direction in a rush 
to be in time with the music for the setting, it is my opinion that this 
is not characteristic of the tastes of the period when this dance was 
published. My interpretation is based on the obvious passion people had 
for symmetry and roundedness over abrupt and angular movement. That 
doesn't preclude it being done with different interpretations in different 
settings. Ultimately it is the taste of the set of dancers one faces on 
any particular evening that will dictate how closely one sticks to one's 
opinion of the intent of the author or publisher.

Probably way more than anyone wanted to hear, but hoping this helps 
anyway,
Cammy Kaynor
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PS. 
I omitted to point out that my interpretation of Indian Queen contradicts 
a literal interpretation of the published instruction at the end "...then 
Right and Left quite round." I justify this liberty with the common usage 
of "right and left" to refer to the circular hey and not to the specific 
order of the changes. 
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Cammy Kaynor wrote:

[detailed analysis of interpretation of Indian Queen snipped]

> Probably way more than anyone wanted to hear

That was a great example of one of the kinds of things I started this mailing
list for - detailed technical discussion, even the kind that you can rarely
have in person in your home community because many people's eyes glaze over. 
I'd be happy to see more like this.

-- Alan


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David Millstone asked for dances with different reconstructions so here are 
some.

  There are several Easter Thursdays around--the more frequently done 
version (I don't know who did that reconstruction) and one by Christine 
Helwig that isn't often done in Seattle, but works very nicely.

  2 B or not 2 B-- Mr. Beveridge's Maggot and Portsmouth exist in 1B and 2B 
versions.

I taught a version of Bellamira that I learned at Pinewoods from Colin Hume 
and got a reaction from local dancers "Where did you learn that version?" 
from which I gather that there are others that I don't know.   Gorgeous 
tune, worth dancing in any version.

Dick's Maggot has several versions in existence.

I learned one version of "The Old Bachelor" from Christine and a different 
one from Philippe.  I like them both.  GREAT tune.

When I asked the list for help with the A section of  "Kill Him with 
Kindness"  I got four interpretations of the timing of lead out and back 
and change places with partner.  I forget one of them and the other three are

1)  lead out three beats, turn three beats, lead back 3 beats, cross in 
three beats.

2)  lead out for six, lead back for six, crossing on the last two.

3)  lead out three, lead back three, cross over like a half gypsy in six.

I teach version two, and Laurie Andres teaches version three and the 
community adjusts and dances the version called that night.

See Colin's Dances with a Difference for some thoughtful and probably more 
accurate reconstructions of dances we've been doing differently for years.

Enfield Common has two versions-- one by Philippe Callens and one by 
Nicolas Broadbridge (at least these are the people I learned them from and 
I think they did the reconstructions too)  The endings are different so I 
looked at the original-- it has 5 changes of a circular hey.  Both 
reconstructors thought that was too much of a good thing and changed it to 
3 changes adding 8 counts of their own (one before the changes and the 
other after).   But the most interesting difference is how the dances fit 
the music.  The melody begins mid-measure with three notes before the first 
full measure.  Nicolas takes these as upbeat and starts the dance on the 
fourth note of the melody, on the downbeat of the first full 
measure.  Philippe starts the first setting step on the first note of the 
music for a very different feel.

All the above are dances that are reconstructed differently from a single 
source.  But look at Neal's "Collier's Daughter" and Playford's-- they are 
obviously not different wordings of the same dance, but actually have some 
differences in the dance itself.

I think its very exciting to do this with international dancers who are 
used to having no written notes of dances to go by, but think it might also 
be interesting to try with ECD dancers in order to get the idea across that 
the first version you learned may not be the "right"  or "best" or most 
historically accurate, or most aesthetically appealing version.  After I'd 
taken three dance reconstruction classes (Christine, Colin, Nicolas) I was 
much more open to considering that different versions than the one I was 
used to might be more accurate reconstructions of the original.  EG 
Noneusch where Michael Barraclough interprets the word "slip" to mean "move 
between" and not "do a sidewards sliding step."  -- I'd been dancing 
Sharp's version for 30 years and hated sliding one-and-a-half steps because 
they are awkward, but thought they must be right until I took Colin's 
reconstruction class and we looked at several other examples of here "slip" 
probably means "move between" and can be done walking.

Now, whenever I run into a variety of versions I go back to read the source 
and see what it is that people are struggling to interpret-- too much dance 
for the amount of music, or three left hand turns in a row.  There may be 
several equally reasonable interpretations, or there may have been a 
misprint in PLayford that Sharp took literally and more recent 
reconstructors correct.

I  had so much fun in dance reconstruction classes solving the puzzles of 
things that didn't seem to work that I handed out a xeroxed page of 
Playford to my middle school and high school dance classes and had them try 
to reconstruct a dance. Some of their versions didn't work.  (One group 
kept setting in place and falling back four beats, pulling the set apart 
more and more with each repetition-- we usually set forward but they didn't 
figure that out.) Some didnt fit the music, starting the second verse in 
the middle of the B and continuing off the music.  One group came up with 
the same variation in the step sequence, but cut one of the A sections to 
make it come out even.  Possible.  There are mistakes-- omitted or extra 
repeat signs -- in Playford.

Two versions were every bit as reasonable as Sharp's if you just look at 
the words and don't take it in the context of what we think we know about 
the tradition.  "Were we right?"  asked one 13 year old.  "Did we get 
it?"  The younger kids were disappointed not to have an absolute right 
version that they were trying to figure out.  "your version is as right as 
Sharp's" was all I could say.  "It fits the music, it makes sense out of 
the confusing words."  The older kids were more comfortable with the idea 
that we don't actually KNOW what was "right" in all cases (look at our 
recent discussion of the faces and not showing your faces in "Hey Boys Up 
Go We" ) and were actually pleased with the idea that their versions were 
as reasonable as the official one and could possibly be even more "right."

Have fun David and be sure to let us know how it goes!

Victoria in Seattle


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Victoria wrote:

[snippage of very interesting reconstruction, including fabulous idea of having
grade-school kids try dance reconstructions, which I like and hope to see more
of, but snip so I can make the following trivial correction]

> See Colin's Dances with a Difference for some thoughtful and probably more
> accurate reconstructions of dances we've been doing differently for years.

I think that's "Playford with a Difference"; the DwaD series is all originals.

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I should have mentioned that the answer is somewhat dependent on date -- 
for example, in the late 19th century, popular tunes were set as 
Lancers; I don't know how early that practice began.  You also probably 
get regional differences.

On Monday, March 25, 2002, at 09:59 PM, Michael Bergman wrote:

> Both.  Some of the quadrilles have particular tunes associated with 
> them (for example, The Columbian, which is danced to 'patriotic music') 
> and some have many tunes (such as Lancers, which has its own music, but 
> also has had many other pieces of music set to the right format).
>
> I don't know of any music site that is quite as specifically helpful as 
> the LoC site is for manuals.
>
> --Mike Bergman
>
>
> On Friday, March 22, 2002, at 02:00 PM, Jonathan Sivier wrote:
>
>>    I've been looking over some of the quadrilles in the various books 
>> in the
>> Library of Congress dance instruction manual site.  I've noticed that 
>> very
>> few, if any, of them specify tunes for the quadrilles.  Were there 
>> specific
>> tunes associated with quadrilles, or were they more like modern contra 
>> dances
>> where the band would play pretty much whatever they wanted?
>>
>>    In a related question is there a site similar to the LOC dance 
>> manual
>> site with tune books instead?
>>
>>    Thanks.
>>
>> Jonathan
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On Tue, 26 Mar 2002, Michael Bergman wrote:

> I should have mentioned that the answer is somewhat dependent on date --
> for example, in the late 19th century, popular tunes were set as
> Lancers; I don't know how early that practice began.  You also probably
> get regional differences.

I have a 33 1/3 rpm record (ancient history)  for the Lancers.  The tunes
are from Gilbert and Sullivan's most popular operettas.
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Does anyone have John Ramsay's current e-mail address? The one I have doesn't 
work and I need to get in touch with him. Private reply appreciated.

Nicolas B., Lanark, Scotland.   
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Many thanks to all who responded with great celerity to my request for John's 
current e-mail address. I have now been back in touch with him following your 
help.
                                                                    Nicolas.

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Jonathan,

check my copies of Howe and other dance manuals last night....Mine are the 
piano scores...not the prompter cribs.

For web access you might check Virgina or LOC in the sheet music 
collections.  Piano music of that time typically had the dance instructions 
included along the lyric-line.  What is nice about that is it is very 
clear  how the music relates to a particular figures.

In Good Morning...Henry Ford...(3rd edition in particular) is useful, 
however the tunes are early 20th century Americana, although the dances are 
much older.

In the 19th Century, most composers (Offenbach, Strauss) rewrote their 
popular operettas into quadrilles (either squre set, longways, polka 
mazura, etc).  In the case of J. Strauss, his dancing master was sent to 
Paris to confirm the phrasing of the "General Quadrille" or "Plain Set" so 
that "Die Fledermaus Quadrille" would fit easily.

Not uncommonly, numerous tunes were used for individual dances (much as we 
do today with Irish Sets.. where the caller requests 168 bars of reel, and 
the musicians comply. Maggie in the Woods is the only dance specific tune 
in the Irish Set Dance repetoire.)

In any given area, there was probably a small number of unique quadrilles 
that were danced (hence we see terminology of "xxx quadrille as danced in 
Saratoga"...etc.  That being the case, I assume that the musicians 
basically developed their own set of tunes so that individual dances were 
recognized by the local community (we do this in Irish Set Dancing in 
Madison and Milwaukee).

In a nut shell, try

http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/smhtml/smhome.html
Music for the Nation: American Sheet Music, 1870-1885
Tens of thousands of songs and instrumental pieces registered for copyright 
in the post-Civil War era.

http://scriptorium.lib.duke.edu/sheetmusic/
Historic American Sheet Music
The Historic American Sheet Music Project provides access to digital images 
of 3042 pieces of sheet music published in America between 1850 and 1920.

http://www.lib.unc.edu/music/eam.html
19th Century Sheet Music Project
19th century american sheet music

http://www.lib.unc.edu/music/eam.html
19th Century Sheet Music Project
19th century american sheet music

Mike

>>Mike Mudrey writes:
>> >
>> > Try a copy of Elias Howe vintage mid 19th century.  All of the quadrilles
>> > have specific tunes.
>>
>>    Do you have a specific title in mind?  The 3 versions of Elias Howe on
>>the LOC site don't seem to have tunes mentioned (at least I have been
>>unable to find any).  Are the tune names listed with the instructions
>>or is there a separate section of the book where it lists the dances
>>and the tunes to go with them?
>>
>>Jonathan


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<font size=3>Jonathan,<br><br>
check my copies of Howe and other dance manuals last night....Mine are
the piano scores...not the prompter cribs.<br><br>
For web access you might check Virgina or LOC in the sheet music
collections.&nbsp; Piano music of that time typically had the dance
instructions included along the lyric-line.&nbsp; What is nice about that
is it is very clear&nbsp; how the music relates to a particular
figures.<br><br>
In Good Morning...Henry Ford...(3rd edition in particular) is useful,
however the tunes are early 20th century Americana, although the dances
are much older.<br><br>
In the 19th Century, most composers (Offenbach, Strauss) rewrote their
popular operettas into quadrilles (either squre set, longways, polka
mazura, etc).&nbsp; In the case of J. Strauss, his dancing master was
sent to Paris to confirm the phrasing of the &quot;General
Quadrille&quot; or &quot;Plain Set&quot; so that &quot;Die Fledermaus
Quadrille&quot; would fit easily.<br><br>
Not uncommonly, numerous tunes were used for individual dances (much as
we do today with Irish Sets.. where the caller requests 168 bars of reel,
and the musicians comply. Maggie in the Woods is the only dance specific
tune in the Irish Set Dance repetoire.)<br><br>
In any given area, there was probably a small number of unique quadrilles
that were danced (hence we see terminology of &quot;xxx quadrille as
danced in Saratoga&quot;...etc.&nbsp; That being the case, I assume that
the musicians basically developed their own set of tunes so that
individual dances were recognized by the local community (we do this in
Irish Set Dancing in Madison and Milwaukee).<br><br>
In a nut shell, try <br><br>
<a href="http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/smhtml/smhome.html" eudora="autourl">http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/smhtml/smhome.html</a><br>
Music for the Nation: American Sheet Music, 1870-1885<br>
Tens of thousands of songs and instrumental pieces registered for
copyright in the post-Civil War era.<br><br>
<a href="http://scriptorium.lib.duke.edu/sheetmusic/" eudora="autourl">http://scriptorium.lib.duke.edu/sheetmusic/</a><br>
Historic American Sheet Music<br>
The Historic American Sheet Music Project provides access to digital
images of 3042 pieces of sheet music published in America between 1850
and 1920.<br><br>
<a href="http://www.lib.unc.edu/music/eam.html" eudora="autourl">http://www.lib.unc.edu/music/eam.html</a><br>
19th Century Sheet Music Project<br>
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Mike<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite><blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>Mike
Mudrey writes:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Try a copy of Elias Howe vintage mid 19th century.&nbsp; All of the
quadrilles <br>
&gt; have specific tunes.<br><br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; Do you have a specific title in mind?&nbsp; The 3 versions
of Elias Howe on<br>
the LOC site don't seem to have tunes mentioned (at least I have
been<br>
unable to find any).&nbsp; Are the tune names listed with the
instructions<br>
or is there a separate section of the book where it lists the 
dances<br>
and the tunes to go with them?<br><br>
Jonathan</font></blockquote></blockquote><br>
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M.G. Mudrey, Jr. writes:
> 
> In a nut shell, try
> 
> http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/smhtml/smhome.html
> Music for the Nation: American Sheet Music, 1870-1885
> Tens of thousands of songs and instrumental pieces registered for copyright 
> in the post-Civil War era.
> 
> http://scriptorium.lib.duke.edu/sheetmusic/
> Historic American Sheet Music
> The Historic American Sheet Music Project provides access to digital images 
> of 3042 pieces of sheet music published in America between 1850 and 1920.
> 
> http://www.lib.unc.edu/music/eam.html
> 19th Century Sheet Music Project
> 19th century american sheet music
> 
> http://www.lib.unc.edu/music/eam.html
> 19th Century Sheet Music Project
> 19th century american sheet music

   Thanks for the info.  I had stumbled upon the duke site, but I'll check
out the others as well.

Jonathan

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At Halsway from 8-12 April we have the second visit from David Kettlewell,
see the review below about last year.
Alan

David Kettlewell - The New Renaissance
Mid-week house party, 2nd - 6th April 2001

Reviews

To the English Country Dance mailing-list

Question: What do you do to stay fresh?

Answer: We have just had four days of bliss and contentment, recharging our
batteries and subjecting ourselves to new experiences of music and loving
every moment of it all with Dr. David Kettlewell. He came all the way from
northern Sweden to visit us in Halsway Manor,Somerset, UK., via University
of Kent, Canterbury, UK.

I feel so different looking at Playford music through the eyes of someone
who sings and plays the harp and harpsichord so beautifully. He wrote the
book on the hammered dulcimer too, but players will know that already.

I feel that to really enjoy dancing is to truly enjoy and appreciate the
full spirit of the music, not just the tune and rhythm, but the harmony and
the tone quality of the sound. We shall (ney, must) arrange for him to come
again this week next year 2002 and the year after 2003. Although we can take
more people it will never be the same as the first one where the 15 pioneers
came not knowing what to expect and went away refreshed like they didn't
know possible. Boredom, what's that?! See and listen to David's work with
the whole person on his website, he also created the Halsway site.

See you too, perhaps from USA, he went to Europe and South America earlier
this year; it will change your dancing enjoyment for ever!

Alan Corkett



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I had an e-mail from "Lou", e-mail address Ivosteen -AT-
widomaker.com, last 
November, and wish to contact them.
 Can anyone help with a fuller name and/or current e-mail address? Private 
reply appreciated.

Nicolas B., Lanark, Scotland.   
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Hello Ann,
                Thank you for your greetings, may we,  wish you a very happy
Easter. Simon and C. squared are here for a weekend break, not that we have
seen much of each other.They didn't arrive until late on Friday evening, by
which time I was at the Ken Dodd show in the city hall, courtesy of Helga
and John, who had a spare ticket. Be warned if you go to one of his shows
they begin early, 7.30 and end late,late and I mean late like 1.00am
And then Saturday morning at 9.30 I was doing a stint ( until 1.30 at
Shopmob) so we met briefly at breakfast, the afternoon they did a tourist
trail of the Cathedral Close, whilst I gathered myself for a 40th wedding
anniversary party near Andover. I returned home just after midnight and the
gods blessed me with a parking space immediately outside.I'd just unload and
was gathering myself with a late night coffee and a catch-up read of the
paper when Simon and Charlotte appeared, she was having a problem sleeping.
Well, to cut a long story short Clare eventually settled C2 in the back
bedroom around about 4.30 and so it was having spent an evening entertaining
a family I can home to spend the remainder of the night entertaining my
granddaughter.
Needless to say I am not quite with it this morning.But little one is almost
6 months old, growing and developing fast and I wouldn't send her back even
if she did give me a sleepless night.
Last weekend was quite good, I flew up to Edinburgh with M.to dance to
Simone Verhayen's calling and workshop music by Aiden and Nic Broadbridge
(B&B) and for the Saturday evening dance we had the full Assembly Players
band.Although Nic had advertised it on the net, we were the only people to
visit from outside their dance group, apart that is from the Gustars who
hail from Tyneside and called in on their way to the Camping Club,Folk
Group's Easter meet in Bristol. The last time I met them was at an Easter
meet at Shaftesbury.
So like you must go and change the clocks and get lunch ready, perhaps
tomorrow will be quieter.A horrible thought has just crossed my mind, it's
nearly a year since my party, already getting withdrawal symptoms.
Word of warning go easy on the Easter eggs.
Had you heard about the new CD out, I think it's called something like
Country Houses and Places, some re-recordings, some new.

Bye for now, take care and God Bless

Barry


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> I had an e-mail from "Lou", e-mail address Ivosteen -AT-
widomaker.com, last
> November, and wish to contact them.
>  Can anyone help with a fuller name and/or current e-mail address? Private
> reply appreciated.
>
> Nicolas B., Lanark, Scotland.
>

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This is being forward on behalf of Alan Corkett who's having trouble 
posting to the list at the moment. Please reply to him directly at 
alan-AT-
bcorkett.freeserve.co.uk if you can help.

>In driving from Sweden with a passenger, to come to Halsway  Manor 
in
>Somerset, UK, Dr David Kettlewell finds his harpsichord a little too 
much
to
>bring.
>So if anyone out there has a nice harpsichord to lend during the 
period
8-12
>April, while he is delivering his Musical House Party, please let us 
know
>and I am sure he will be forever grateful. See web for details
>www.newrenaissance.ibs.ee/halsway_manor/home.htm 


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-- Bob Archer      bob-AT-
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Private reply sent.

Pat

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I had an e-mail from "Lou", e-mail address Ivosteen -AT-
widomaker.com, last 
November, and wish to contact them.
 Can anyone help with a fuller name and/or current e-mail address? Private 
reply appreciated.

Nicolas B., Lanark, Scotland.