Archive-Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 01:20:45 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 09:20:37 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Davis Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: British idiom To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT The hard shoulder is the emergency strip at the side of the motorway, wher eyou pull off if you have a problem. Paul In message <4FE916CF.67581A0D.732DE083-AT- netscape.net> ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes: > Hello everyone, > > This is slightly off topic, and I apologize, but I thought someone on this list might have an answer to my question. > > Can anyone tell me what the idiom, "the hard shoulder" means? > > Thanks SO much!! > > Best, > > Dorothy Olsson > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop-AT- Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ > > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 04:34:38 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 07:34:26 -0500 From: DorothyOlsson-AT- netscape.net Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: British idiom To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <2F75EF63.21554911.732DE083-AT- netscape.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Many thanks to everyone who sent me responses about the "hard shoulder." It is much appreciated!! All the best, Dorothy Olsson __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop-AT- Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 16:33:24 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 16:37:29 -0800 From: Mary Luckhardt Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: SFFMC's Camp Harmony Invitation To: "SFFMC (Harmony) List" , ECD List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Camp Harmony 2001-2002 The San Francisco Folk Music Club invites new members to join the Club - and join our Folk Music Family in the Santa Cruz Mountains for 5 days of jamming, singing and dancing at New Years. Lead a workshop, begin a new instrument, join in a jam or sing along. Hike through the woods for meals. Eat some of the dinner you helped prepare. Make new friends over cider in the Reg Room. Make a box, paint a picture, read a book, and do it all surrounded by folks making music and having fun. We're a home made camp, and we put it on for each other. It's a wonderful, supportive environment for trying out new things. Here it's easy to take the first steps at teaching, whether calling a first dance, teaching a beginning instrument class, or leading a song for the first time. Some folks have found the inspiration to write a song or tune at camp, and the evening concert has debuted some keepers. Camp starts Thursday, December 27 and ends Tuesday, January 1. Until December 1, full price for all 5 days is only $225 ($150 for kids 3-11) or $48/$32 per day for 1-4 days. Come for the whole camp, or just for a winter getaway. You never know what will happen, it all depends on who shows up. Will it be you? See our website at www.sffmc.org for full information and registration forms. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 17:00:09 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 16:32:03 -0500 From: "Hanny D. Budnick" <74031.77-AT- compuserve.com> Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Mr. John Playford To: Blind.Copy.Receiver-AT- compuserve.com Message-ID: <200111021635_MC3-E5AA-65E6-AT- compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT So a kid asked me "what is a Playford anyway?" I'm putting the question to the rest of you. What DO we know about that man beyond the short biographical information one can find in encyclopaedias? Do we even know whether he himself danced? _-AT- _ {)/' /\ /\_._,<_/ ' \ /_\ /> /< Hanny Budnick ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 17:00:11 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 16:43:41 -0500 From: Anne Lowenthal Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: A February date? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU CC: Annie Edden Message-ID: <013e01c163e7$9be732a0$8a8cfea9-AT- oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: Dear Graham, I'm writing you in my role of English Program Chair at CD*NY to invite you to call for one of our regular Tuesday dances next season. The word is out that you will be in New York for the Sword Ale on Presidents' Day Weekend. Might we be able to persuade you to stay on? Our usual fee for callers is $80; we might also be able to help you with travel expenses and would arrange for lodging with one of our dancers. Would this be acceptable? If that Tuesday will not work for you, perhaps we can work something out for later in the season. With best wishes, Anne ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 18:17:47 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 21:02:28 -0500 From: Allison M Thompson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Boscastle To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011102.211621.-1722089.0.AllisonThompson-AT- juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Dear Allen, Thanks for your Boscastle dance insight--nothing contextually to prove or disprove what you say re: this dance with reference to (early American folk dance leader) Mary Hinman Wood's involvement ca. 1928 with this dance, although there is a lot in what you say about the dance that makes sense & I'm willing to suppose it. In the U.S. in the 'teens and 'Twenties, many of the early, U.S. folk dance leaders --well, it's stretching a point to call them "ethnographers," since they were (at least until the mid-30s) really quite uninterested in the ethnography of a particular dance.... and "choreographers" isn't the right word...nor is, exactly, "observers"...well, rather like Cecil, the early dance collectors & proselytizers were looking for "ur" -versions, as well as easily-teachable and standardizable-versions of dances. But Wood's selections of English dances is quite quirkily different from the other Grand Masters of the American group of folk dance collectors....most of whom were focused on the May pole dance, Sir Roger, and a representative 1) morris dance and/or 2) country dance such as "Sweet Kate," about which I've already queried here lately. She was clearly a person who "got around," more than most, and I'm still trying to figure her out... More to come on this topic when my notes are in order-- Allison P.S. If the above hardly makes sense--well, you should see my notes! P.P.S. Not to mention the rest of my house!! Why is it that school pants and shirts can live happily (by children) neglected for weeks on end under beds, while socks and underwear give up and vanish if not attended to after 2 or 3 days, and grumpily enter the 5th dimension from which never to return? And school occurs 5 days out of 7, so there is a mathematical hideous certainty underlying these mundane clothing statistics. I feel as if I go out and buy socks and underpants at least 3 weeks out of 4 and yet we never have any on Fridays...where do they all go to?? Will I ever get any of them back? And will I *want* them back? Yrs, in des-pair, A. On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 16:50:44 -0500 Alisa Dodson writes: > >Anyone heard of a dance for 2 couples, to a schottische, involving > >step-hopping & arches & so on, called "Boscastle?" I came across > it in a > >collection of folk dances ca 1910 & am wondering if the writer may > have > >devised it herself. > > > >Allison > > I haven't heard of the dance, but Boscastle is a small town or large > village in northern Cornwall, and it was one of the places where the > BBC > went to record "country dance music" in the 1920s or 30s. (There is > a > long-deleted Topic recording called "The Boscastle Breakdown" which > has > some of the BBC recordings on it; I don't recall if it includes a > schottische). > From your description of the dance, I'd say it was > "traditional"--i.e. > probably a schottishe danced in Boscastle at these social dances. > Couple > dances were popular at these venues, and the step-hopping and arches > are > common in such traditional country dances. > best > Allen Dodson > > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 00:29:54 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 00:29:52 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Boscastle To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011103082952.80978.qmail-AT- web20002.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --- Allison M Thompson wrote: > ...where do they all go to?? Will I ever get any of them > back? And will I *want* them back? They've gone to join all of the lost socks of the world... Consider it training for your child's future. If they lose such things now, they won't have any expectations of finding lost articles later. andy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 05:55:05 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 08:55:01 -0500 (EST) From: "Priscilla M. Burrage" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Boscastle To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Sat, 3 Nov 2001, Andrew Peterson wrote: > --- Allison M Thompson wrote: > > ...where do they all go to?? Will I ever get any of them > > back? And will I *want* them back? > > They've gone to join all of the lost socks of the world... I believe that the sox escape from the washing machine, go to sleep under the machine, become covered with enough dust to make a cocoon, and finally emerge a few weeks later as -- coat hangers. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Priscilla Burrage Vermont US (pburrage-AT- zoo.uvm.edu) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 06:06:38 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 09:17:00 -0500 From: C Subject: RE: Boscastle To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <000001c16472$3e476440$8a2ffc9e-AT- friedman> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT You know, growing up, my mom had a "sock basket" by her bed and it grew to ridiculous proportions. Those foot coverings were in there for mending, but mostly matching. For years she never found matches to many of my father's socks. Hilarious. :) -- Cara -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecd-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU [mailto:owner-ecd-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU]On Behalf Of Priscilla M. Burrage Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 8:55 AM To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Subject: Re: Boscastle On Sat, 3 Nov 2001, Andrew Peterson wrote: > --- Allison M Thompson wrote: > > ...where do they all go to?? Will I ever get any of them > > back? And will I *want* them back? > > They've gone to join all of the lost socks of the world... I believe that the sox escape from the washing machine, go to sleep under the machine, become covered with enough dust to make a cocoon, and finally emerge a few weeks later as -- coat hangers. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Priscilla Burrage Vermont US (pburrage-AT- zoo.uvm.edu) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 06:11:01 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 09:06:57 -0500 From: "Hanny D. Budnick" <74031.77-AT- compuserve.com> Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: A soxy dilemma To: Blind.Copy.Receiver-AT- compuserve.com Message-ID: <200111030909_MC3-E5B7-5DB3-AT- compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT For Alison: you can solve your soxy dilemma by buying only ONE color of socks...and then replenish when there's only one specimen left. _-AT- _ {)/' /\ /\_._,<_/ ' \ /_\ /> /< Hanny ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 06:57:44 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 10:00:43 -0800 From: etepper-AT- juno.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Boscastle To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011103.100043.-270869.0.etepper-AT- juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Convinced that it was the dryer's appetite that was responsible for the missing socks, my mother would add a "sacrificial sock" to each load of laundry to appease the appliance and ensure that an even number of socks would emerge. I don't know if this works...she lost a whole lot of clothing that way. Ellen ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 07:36:58 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 10:29:27 -0500 From: Ruth Feldberg Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Boscastle To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3BE40D54.4189DBEF-AT- javanet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <20011103.100043.-270869.0.etepper-AT- juno.com> Do you know the experience of losing your favorite scarf, umbrella, calculator etc but never losing an ugly umbrella etc. One day a few years ago I was at the bank putting some papers in my safe deposit box. When I leave the area I always look on the floor etc to be sure I haven't dropped anything and much to my surprise there on the floor was one gold knee sock!! I did recognize it right away, it was mine. And the first thing that I thought of was, "You never wear those socks and you have been meaning to get rid of them." The answer that I came up with is that this sock was attached to something in the dryer, perhaps my jeans or shirt and it just worked its way out. So that's the answer to where I think the socks go. Count your socks before you put them in the dryer or hang them up to dry. Ruth Feldberg Amherst, MA etepper-AT- juno.com wrote: > > Convinced that it was the dryer's appetite that was responsible for the > missing socks, my mother would add a "sacrificial sock" to each load of > laundry to appease the appliance and ensure that an even number of socks > would emerge. > I don't know if this works...she lost a whole lot of clothing that way. > Ellen ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 08:49:13 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 08:49:07 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Boscastle To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011103164907.32760.qmail-AT- web20005.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --- "Priscilla M. Burrage" wrote: > On Sat, 3 Nov 2001, Andrew Peterson wrote: > > > --- Allison M Thompson wrote: > > > ...where do they all go to?? Will I ever get any of them > > > back? And will I *want* them back? > > > > They've gone to join all of the lost socks of the world... > > > I believe that the sox escape from the washing machine, go to > sleep under the machine, become covered with enough dust to > make a cocoon, and finally emerge a few weeks later as -- coat > hangers. My washer and dryer seem to have an appetite for cat hair, as there are always tufts of it left stuck to the clean clothes when I fold them. In deference to cat hair, it recently even spit out a sock that I was able to match to one of the odd ones in my drawer. Andy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 09:23:20 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 10:23:14 -0700 From: Tom Vincent Subject: Re: Boscastle To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <004101c1648c$39344350$70cc0e3f-AT- jupiter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <20011103164907.32760.qmail-AT- web20005.mail.yahoo.com> If you people with your sock sacrifices to your washing machine deities were Contra dancers, I'd suggest that you'd been swinging too much and not balancing enough. :) Tom Vincent ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Peterson" To: Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 9:49 AM Subject: Re: Boscastle > --- "Priscilla M. Burrage" wrote: > > On Sat, 3 Nov 2001, Andrew Peterson wrote: > > > > > --- Allison M Thompson wrote: > > > > ...where do they all go to?? Will I ever get any of them > > > > back? And will I *want* them back? > > > > > > They've gone to join all of the lost socks of the world... > > > > > > I believe that the sox escape from the washing machine, go to > > sleep under the machine, become covered with enough dust to > > make a cocoon, and finally emerge a few weeks later as -- coat > > hangers. > > My washer and dryer seem to have an appetite for cat hair, as > there are always tufts of it left stuck to the clean clothes > when I fold them. In deference to cat hair, it recently even > spit out a sock that I was able to match to one of the odd ones > in my drawer. > > Andy ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 09:38:43 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 12:34:57 -0500 From: "Hanny D. Budnick" <74031.77-AT- compuserve.com> Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Boscastle To: Blind.Copy.Receiver-AT- compuserve.com Message-ID: <200111031238_MC3-E5B3-C04D-AT- compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Way back in the day where socks were woollen and handknit(as were mittens...), my grandmother - sometimes with my help - unravelled single specimen and then created multicolored pairs. Current technologies doesn't permit that though. _-AT- _ {)/' /\ /\_._,<_/ ' \ /_\ /> /< Hanny ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 09:55:46 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 12:49:50 -0500 From: franch-AT- juno.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Socks (was Boscastle) To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011103.124950.-405095.2.franch-AT- juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I made my initial response to the socks issue off-line, as I wasn't sure it was on topic or of interest to the group, but since vox populi declared its interest, and there is a historic angle the following, perhaps it is appropriate: A colleague recently was reading late 18th or early 19th c. correspondence of a traveling Universalist minister and his future wife. It seems the ladies of his home church had knitted him his 52 pairs of socks and he was off on his travels--the implication being that he wore each pair for a week, then discarded the pair (as well he might!). I suggest the next bounce of the conversation be to socks with scandals when dancing. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 10:04:23 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 12:02:05 -0600 From: Paul Stamler Subject: Re: Socks (was Boscastle) To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <002301c16491$a6629a80$612d4b0c-AT- paulstam> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <20011103.124950.-405095.2.franch-AT- juno.com> <> Doc Watson used to tell a story about how he and two of his friends used to go into Sears Roebuck; the first friend would buy 7 pairs of socks, giving him a pair for every day of the week. The second friend would only buy 6 pairs -- they asked him why, and he said "I go barefoot on Sundays." Finally Doc asked for 12 pairs. "Twelve pairs!?" asked his friends. "Why do you want twelve pairs of socks." "Well," replied Doc, "there's January, February...." Peace, Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 11:11:46 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 14:12:26 -0500 From: SUSAN B BOOKER Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: Socks (was Boscastle) To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <004401c1649b$7ab9f400$9e02ffd1-AT- oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Then there was that evening about ten years ago at Berea's Christmas Country Dance School when I realized that there were an exceptional number of colorful-socks-clad feet in the room (the old Woods-Penn gym). So I asked the MC to call everyone with colorful socks up to the front of the room for a photo, which was taken "Hokey-Pokey" huddle style ("you put your right foot in"...) and shot looking down at all those feet. The result was a kaleidoscopic ring of toes-in feet, with a veritable rainbow of socks! It was also interesting to see the variety of dancing shoes - or rather, shoes chosen for dancing... Susan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 12:25:07 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 15:24:55 -0500 (EST) From: OldTimeTim-AT- aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: A soxy dilemma To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <67.1c433544.2915ac97-AT- aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_CymjbzGp8rj9LYpL7bEBWA)" --Boundary_(ID_CymjbzGp8rj9LYpL7bEBWA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 03/11/2001 14:12:18 GMT Standard Time, 74031.77-AT- compuserve.com writes: > > For Alison: > you can solve your soxy dilemma by buying only ONE color of socks...and > Many years ago, when living in digs with a number of other worthy fellows. one of them announced that he was so fed up with socks getting lost in the launderette - resulting in a lack of matching pairs - that he had done just this - and bought ten identical pairs of black socks. The scheme worked fine until he returned to his parents home for Christmas. His Mother was outraged by what he had done - how could he possibly tell which sock belonged to which? So he returned to London with each pair identified by a flash of coloured wool embroidered into the ankle - one pair red, one pair blue, one pair yellow....... Tim Brooks --Boundary_(ID_CymjbzGp8rj9LYpL7bEBWA) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 03/11/2001 14:12:18 GMT Standard Time, 74031.77-AT- compuserve.com writes:



For Alison:
you can solve your soxy dilemma by buying only ONE color of socks...and
then replenish when there's only one specimen left.



Many years ago, when living in digs with a number of other worthy fellows. one of them announced that he was so fed up with socks getting lost in the launderette - resulting in a lack of matching pairs - that he had done just this - and bought ten identical pairs of black socks.

The scheme worked fine until he returned to his parents home for Christmas.

His Mother was outraged by what he had done - how could he possibly tell which sock belonged to which?

So he returned to London with each pair identified by a flash of  coloured wool embroidered into the ankle - one pair red, one pair blue, one pair yellow.......

Tim Brooks




--Boundary_(ID_CymjbzGp8rj9LYpL7bEBWA)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 16:39:20 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 16:39:17 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: A soxy dilemma To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011104003917.20055.qmail-AT- web20006.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --- OldTimeTim-AT- aol.com wrote: > His Mother was outraged by what he had done - how could he > possibly tell which sock belonged to which? > > So he returned to London with each pair identified by a flash > of coloured wool embroidered into the ankle - one pair red, > one pair blue, one pair yellow....... Sometimes Mother's just don't understand. He'd probably done far worse things that she never knew about... Andy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 16:55:17 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 16:55:14 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Boscastle To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011104005514.27105.qmail-AT- web20004.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --- Tom Vincent wrote: > If you people with your sock sacrifices to your washing > machine deities were Contra dancers, I'd suggest that you'd > been swinging too much and not balancing enough. :) Is it the socks that cause the unbalanced load that shuts off the spin cycle in the washer?? We could (sort of) get back on topic by discussing what socks people have found to best resist the wear caused by dancing. A friend once told me that the first thing she did when she moved in with a boyfriend was to throw out all his socks that were worn out from dancing. She was even nice enough to buy him some new ones. The skin allergies that I have developed, which is the primary reason why I started using fragrance-free products, includes allergies to some dyes. I had several pairs of dark blue socks that I suddenly had to stop wearing. My feet would start to itch and the longer I kept my shoes and socks on, the worse it got. Sometimes they would swell after I took off the socks. Gray, tan and white work well for me. Andy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 22:33:30 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 17:33:02 +1100 From: jared gottlieb Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: A soxy dilemma To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <200111030909_MC3-E5B7-5DB3-AT- compuserve.com> Hmm, Socks originally of a common colour and size are subject to the ecological imperative to fill all available niches. They change hues, some get longer or shorter, etc. To keep on topic, socks (sox) related dances? >For Alison: >you can solve your soxy dilemma by buying only ONE color of socks...and >then replenish when there's only one specimen left. > > _-AT- _ {)/' > /\ /\_._,<_/ >' \ /_\ > /> /< Hanny ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 08:47:59 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 11:41:19 -0500 From: Alisa Dodson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Boscastle (no socks content) To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I did manage to find my copy of the "Boscastle breakdown" recording, since there was a question about a dance by this title. The "Boscastle breakdown" music is a series of hornpipes (man from Newry, etc.) strung together, apparently used for stepdancing in the local pub. No mention of a schottishe or a country dance with that title. best regards Allen Dodson ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 09:24:03 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 12:23:50 -0500 (EST) From: Sam Weiler Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: A discrete math problem To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Thanks to all for humoring my delay: I wanted to corner Roger in person and make him solve the problem before I gave everything away. Here is a discussion of how I solved the problem -- the formula is buried far below. Congratulations to Giovanni De Amici and Mike O'Connor for submitting (correct!) solutions. I found it easier to look for the fraction of dances, on average, that a member of the overabundant sex would need to sit out or dance with a same sex partner. Remeber that this is the fraction of dances IN EXCESS of those that one would normally sit out, since we much presume that the men (or the women, if they're in the minority) will sit out on occasion, too. If you're announcing these numbers at a ball, you might say: "if you turn down an offer to dance or are sitting out merely to rest, don't count that dance against your obligation." I started with examples: I gave a 1 man, 3 women example in my earlier note. With 1 man and 5 women, following the same logic, women would dance 4/5ths of dances with one another. With 2 men and 2 women, that fraction is 0. Making a chart: men women fraction 1 3 2/3 1 5 4/5 2 2 0 What about 2 men and 4 women? I made a list of partnerings, letting each woman dance with each man once. This chart doesn't represent all possible partnerings, but it is sufficient for our purposes. Each line represents one dance: M1-W1, M2-W2, W3-W4 M1-W2, M2-W1, W3-W4 M1-W3, M2-W4, W1-W2 M1-W4, M2-W3, W1-W2 In this example, each woman dances 1/2 of the dances with another woman. So our chart now looks like: men women fraction 1 3 2/3 1 5 4/5 2 2 0 2 4 1/2 From this, we might be able to guess a formula. It looks like the numerator of this fraction is the difference in the number of each sex, and the denominator is the number of women or (f-m)/f. Now is this answer true in the general case? For whatever numbers of men and women, if we were to make a partnering chart like above for just one dance (look at any one of those lines), we'd see that m women were dancing with men, and the rest (f-m) are dancing together or sitting out. That is independent of the particular partnering arrangements, so we don't need to ennumerate all of those possibilities, and the answer is correct in the general case. So the formula: given n dances in the evening f female dancers m male dancers and f>m D = n * (f-m)/f is the number of dances, on average, members of the overabundant sex should dance with one another or sit out IN EXCESS of those they would normally sit out. This assumes several things: that men won't dance with each other (very often), that men and women sit out for other reasons (resting, etc.) at about equal rates, and that the number of men and women isn't all that far apart (else the sitting out to rest numbers play a larger role). If this has really intrigued you, then the extra credit problem is it find an equation that takes those things into account. -- Sam > > Hi, Sam: are you a mathematician? Can you 'invent' the Weiler Formula? > > > > I've never been good at proability, etc. Mary Kay did it for us at our > > annual ball, computing the number of dances a lady should do with another > > lady if there was a gender 'imbalance.' So, if there are n dances, m males > > and f females, with f>m, about how many dances (D) should a lady do with > > another to make if fair? We ignore sitting-out and (men dancing with men!) > > and know that the answer will likely come out to be a fraction but are > > willing to round to the nearest integer. > > > > Such a formula would be worthy of publication! (In the CDSS News.) > > I'm not a mathematician, I just play one on the dance floor. > > That said, the problem you present isn't all that difficult. Imagine if > you had one man and three women. If they rotate partners for three > dances (Rufty Tufty, Heartsease, and John Tallis' Canon), each woman would > get to partner with the man once and dance with another woman twice. > Expressing this as the fraction of the dances that should be danced with > the same sex partner, that's two-thirds. > > As for a general formula, I think I'll take the Math Forum's approach and > let you (and the list) stew on this for a couple more days, then post an > answer. Feel free to send me proposed solutions (I need to double check > my answer!) or ask for hints. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 09:59:55 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 12:59:41 -0500 (EST) From: Tideswell-AT- aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: A soxy dilemma To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <12.14eba5a8.2916dc0d-AT- aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Tim said: >Many years ago, when living in digs with a number of other worthy fellows. >one of them announced that he was so fed up with socks getting lost in >the >launderette - resulting in a lack of matching pairs - that he had done >just >this - and bought ten identical pairs of black socks. >The scheme worked fine until he returned to his parents home for Christmas. >His Mother was outraged by what he had done - how could he possibly tell >which sock belonged to which? >So he returned to London with each pair identified by a flash of coloured >wool embroidered into the ankle - one pair red, one pair blue, one pair >yellow....... As the breeches-buoy swung towards the rocks The occupant cried "Save my socks! I could not bear their loss For with scarlet silk floss My Maman has embroidered their clocks." -Edward Gorey Nilos, who has never been quite clear on where (or why) there are clocks on socks ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 10:06:12 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 13:14:36 -0500 From: C Subject: RE: A discrete math problem To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <000101c1655c$95afaf40$d2e1b23f-AT- friedman> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Thanks, Sam, for this!! I think I got an answer something like this. So math majors can use their skill in dance. And not just as a musicians. Whew! That's a relief. -- Cara :) -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecd-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU [mailto:owner-ecd-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU]On Behalf Of Sam Weiler Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 12:24 PM To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Subject: Re: A discrete math problem Thanks to all for humoring my delay: I wanted to corner Roger in person and make him solve the problem before I gave everything away. Here is a discussion of how I solved the problem -- the formula is buried far below. Congratulations to Giovanni De Amici and Mike O'Connor for submitting (correct!) solutions. I found it easier to look for the fraction of dances, on average, that a member of the overabundant sex would need to sit out or dance with a same sex partner. Remeber that this is the fraction of dances IN EXCESS of those that one would normally sit out, since we much presume that the men (or the women, if they're in the minority) will sit out on occasion, too. If you're announcing these numbers at a ball, you might say: "if you turn down an offer to dance or are sitting out merely to rest, don't count that dance against your obligation." I started with examples: I gave a 1 man, 3 women example in my earlier note. With 1 man and 5 women, following the same logic, women would dance 4/5ths of dances with one another. With 2 men and 2 women, that fraction is 0. Making a chart: men women fraction 1 3 2/3 1 5 4/5 2 2 0 What about 2 men and 4 women? I made a list of partnerings, letting each woman dance with each man once. This chart doesn't represent all possible partnerings, but it is sufficient for our purposes. Each line represents one dance: M1-W1, M2-W2, W3-W4 M1-W2, M2-W1, W3-W4 M1-W3, M2-W4, W1-W2 M1-W4, M2-W3, W1-W2 In this example, each woman dances 1/2 of the dances with another woman. So our chart now looks like: men women fraction 1 3 2/3 1 5 4/5 2 2 0 2 4 1/2 From this, we might be able to guess a formula. It looks like the numerator of this fraction is the difference in the number of each sex, and the denominator is the number of women or (f-m)/f. Now is this answer true in the general case? For whatever numbers of men and women, if we were to make a partnering chart like above for just one dance (look at any one of those lines), we'd see that m women were dancing with men, and the rest (f-m) are dancing together or sitting out. That is independent of the particular partnering arrangements, so we don't need to ennumerate all of those possibilities, and the answer is correct in the general case. So the formula: given n dances in the evening f female dancers m male dancers and f>m D = n * (f-m)/f is the number of dances, on average, members of the overabundant sex should dance with one another or sit out IN EXCESS of those they would normally sit out. This assumes several things: that men won't dance with each other (very often), that men and women sit out for other reasons (resting, etc.) at about equal rates, and that the number of men and women isn't all that far apart (else the sitting out to rest numbers play a larger role). If this has really intrigued you, then the extra credit problem is it find an equation that takes those things into account. -- Sam > > Hi, Sam: are you a mathematician? Can you 'invent' the Weiler Formula? > > > > I've never been good at proability, etc. Mary Kay did it for us at our > > annual ball, computing the number of dances a lady should do with another > > lady if there was a gender 'imbalance.' So, if there are n dances, m males > > and f females, with f>m, about how many dances (D) should a lady do with > > another to make if fair? We ignore sitting-out and (men dancing with men!) > > and know that the answer will likely come out to be a fraction but are > > willing to round to the nearest integer. > > > > Such a formula would be worthy of publication! (In the CDSS News.) > > I'm not a mathematician, I just play one on the dance floor. > > That said, the problem you present isn't all that difficult. Imagine if > you had one man and three women. If they rotate partners for three > dances (Rufty Tufty, Heartsease, and John Tallis' Canon), each woman would > get to partner with the man once and dance with another woman twice. > Expressing this as the fraction of the dances that should be danced with > the same sex partner, that's two-thirds. > > As for a general formula, I think I'll take the Math Forum's approach and > let you (and the list) stew on this for a couple more days, then post an > answer. Feel free to send me proposed solutions (I need to double check > my answer!) or ask for hints. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 11:29:28 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 14:22:03 -0500 From: Ruth Feldberg Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: A soxy dilemma To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3BE59552.203D7560-AT- javanet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <12.14eba5a8.2916dc0d-AT- aol.com> Nilos, The clocks on the socks are not to remind you when to change your socks. My dictionary gives a second meaning for clock: a woven or embroidered ornament on the side of a sock or stocking, going up from the ankle. Ruth Amherst, MA Tideswell-AT- aol.com wrote: > > Tim said: > > >Many years ago, when living in digs with a number of other worthy fellows. > >one of them announced that he was so fed up with socks getting lost in > >the > >launderette - resulting in a lack of matching pairs - that he had done > >just > >this - and bought ten identical pairs of black socks. > >The scheme worked fine until he returned to his parents home for Christmas. > >His Mother was outraged by what he had done - how could he possibly tell > >which sock belonged to which? > >So he returned to London with each pair identified by a flash of coloured > >wool embroidered into the ankle - one pair red, one pair blue, one pair > >yellow....... > > As the breeches-buoy swung towards the rocks > The occupant cried "Save my socks! > I could not bear their loss > For with scarlet silk floss > My Maman has embroidered their clocks." > > -Edward Gorey > > Nilos, who has never been quite clear on where (or why) there are clocks on > socks ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 11:43:22 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 14:40:05 -0500 From: Mary Beth Goodman Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: A soxy dilemma To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <12.14eba5a8.2916dc0d-AT- aol.com> <3BE59552.203D7560-AT- javanet.com> At 2:22 PM -0500 11/4/01, Ruth Feldberg wrote: > > >His Mother was outraged by what he had done - how could he possibly tell > > >which sock belonged to which? One of the ultimate solution to all sock dilemmas, besides having a wonderfully amusing website: http://www.10socks.com/ thanks - I'm enjoying this jolly, if OT discussion. I needed some chuckles! Mary Beth ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 11:45:43 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 17:54:07 +0000 From: Keith Elmo Eldridge Subject: RE: Mr. John Playford To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <00aa01c16569$97939e90$402910ac-AT- desmond.opsis> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hanny Budnick wrote : > So a kid asked me "what is a Playford anyway?" > I'm putting the question to the rest of you. What DO we know > about that man > beyond the short biographical information one can find in > encyclopaedias? > Do we even know whether he himself danced? Did he collect the dances or did he just publish them ? May be he created the 17th century equivalent of the Penguin book of Country Dances. Anyone for a Penguin Dance ? Regards Elmo (teacher of Penguin Dances, amongst others.) -- --Keith Elmo Eldridge --Buxworth, Derbyshire, England --Elmo-AT- aphelia.co.uk --I am, therefore I dance. I dance therefore I am. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 21:02:58 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 21:04:29 -0800 From: Ruth Temple Subject: Re: A soxy dilemma To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <3BE61DDE.48ABEFEB-AT- ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <12.14eba5a8.2916dc0d-AT- aol.com> <3BE59552.203D7560-AT- javanet.com> You mean a clock is not always a clock?? Heavens. -Ruth Temple San Francisco, CA Ruth Feldberg wrote: > > Nilos, > > The clocks on the socks are not to remind you when to change your socks. > My dictionary gives a second meaning for clock: a woven or embroidered > ornament on the side of a sock or stocking, going up from the ankle. > > Ruth > Amherst, MA > > Tideswell-AT- aol.com quoth: > > > > As the breeches-buoy swung towards the rocks > > The occupant cried "Save my socks! > > I could not bear their loss > > For with scarlet silk floss > > My Maman has embroidered their clocks." > > > > -Edward Gorey > > > > Nilos, who has never been quite clear on where (or why) there are clocks on > > socks ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 06:57:35 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 10:08:02 -0500 From: Graham.Christian-AT- risk.sungard.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: And when you're not looking (was Boscastle) To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT What I have always heard was that escaped *pencils* disappear and gradually turn into coathangers (wire, I think); which eventually metamorphose into bicycles. And when there are enough bicycles, they take over the world. But I think it very likely that stray socks are also required for this series of alchemical reactions--how else would one get fuzzy bicycle seats? Seriously, I have heard that while your little sister will not go down the drain no matter how hard you try to "help" her, it *does* happen that socks can get pulled out of the drum and go down the outflow pipe. Heading for the sea and greater freedoms, no doubt. Graham Christian Technical Writer, Product Management SunGard Trading and Risk Systems 88 Broad Street, Boston, MA 02110 Telephone number: (617)542-2800, extension 648 Email address: graham.christian-AT- risk.sungard.com Group web address: http://www.risk.sungard.com "There has never been a good war, or a bad peace." --B. Franklin ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. 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Nilos no longer baffled by clocks on socks, or rocks on docks, or blocks of phlox. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 08:44:44 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 08:45:00 -0800 From: Kalia Kliban Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: sock poem To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20011105084500.007832b0-AT- mail.monitor.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT The following is from the twisty little brain of Les Barker: Odd Socks I've got a green sock; Just the one. I used to have two But one of them's gone. I've got a blue sock; Just one of them, too; I've got lots of other socks But none of them's blue. In my collection of socks, Grey ones are rare; I've got one. I haven't got a pair. I've got a pair of black socks; It's the only pair I've got, Except one of them's red. The other one's not. The other one's pink. I never bought a pink pair; I never bought one But one day it was there. I never buy one sock; I always buy two; Our family's always done that; It's what right-thinking people do. And now I've got a green sock; I've got another one that's red; I wasn't told about this; My mother never said. They slip out in the darkness Around two o'clock; There's one in every pair; The St. Michael's homing sock. It's a kind of redistribution; It's where socialism's gone; It's migrated into socks. We've all got one. The Duke of Westminster; There are times he must despair. He owns half the socks in England. He hasn't got a pair. You an hear them in the cupboard With all the other clothes. You can hear the sound of coins; Tossing up to see who goes. In our big local Tesco carpark A skip has been set down With big letters saying "Soxfam"; So in I threw one brown, One green, one grey, one red, One blue, one pink, one black; Every sock in my collection; Then the others all came back. I've got a green sock; Just the one. I used to have two But one of them's gone. ----------------------- And yes, I realize that it has no ECD content whatsoever. My apologies, Alan. It's just so rare to have the right poem for an occasion like this. Kalia ----o-O-0-O-o---- kalia-AT- monitor.net ----o-O-0-O-o---- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 09:05:51 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 17:07:50 +0000 From: Ann Higley Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Mr John Playford To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <004801c1661c$7a7fd540$7495883e-AT- annhigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <97.1db4ee43.29180f89-AT- aol.com> Nilos wrote - > Okay, I'll bite, what exactly is a penguin dance? Sounds formal, anyway. Could it be one in which the caller has to Arctic-ulate clearly? Or a (South) Polish dance? Ann Higley England ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 09:13:24 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 12:12:21 -0500 From: "Emily L. Ferguson" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: sock poem To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <3.0.1.32.20011105084500.007832b0-AT- mail.monitor.net> >The following is from the twisty little brain of Les Barker: > >----------------------- > >And yes, I realize that it has no ECD content whatsoever. My apologies, >Alan. It's just so rare to have the right poem for an occasion like this. Whaddaya mean, no ECD content. People wear socks in their shoes to dance. And Les' sense of humor is just right for this topic. It's a shame we can't hear his style of recitation, at least those of us who don't know him. Soooooooo deadpan. -- Emily L. Ferguson elf-AT- cape.com 508-563-6822 New England landscapes, wooden boats and races, press photography Beetle cats on the web at: http://www.beetlecat.com/gft-pics/ef-notes.htm http://www.beetlecat.org/results/99champs.html http://www.beetlecat.org/store.html#yrbook landscape at: http://www.capecodlife.com/CCD/regions/upper_cape.html ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 09:21:06 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 12:16:39 -0500 From: "Green, David" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: Mr John Playford To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <7348C1502B13F344843330794758CFD11D8F71-AT- mail.GTS.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Actually, to do a penguin dance, just go with the floe ... David -----Original Message----- From: Ann Higley [mailto:ann-AT- higley.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 12:08 PM To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Subject: Re: Mr John Playford Nilos wrote - > Okay, I'll bite, what exactly is a penguin dance? Sounds formal, anyway. Could it be one in which the caller has to Arctic-ulate clearly? Or a (South) Polish dance? Ann Higley England ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 11:01:37 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 11:01:33 -0800 (PST) From: Barbara Ruth Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: And when you're not looking (was Boscastle) To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011105190133.99312.qmail-AT- web13608.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --- Graham.Christian-AT- risk.sungard.com wrote: > What I have always heard was that escaped *pencils* disappear and > gradually > turn into coathangers (wire, I think); which eventually > metamorphose into > bicycles. And when there are enough bicycles, they take over the > world. > But I think it very likely that stray socks are also required for > this > series of alchemical reactions--how else would one get fuzzy > bicycle seats? Really Graham! Everybody knows that it's paper clips that pupate into wire coat hangers. Bicycles start out as safety pins in their immature form. (I remember reading a science fiction story years ago, where that was indeed the premise. Eventually the protaganist realizes that his fancy ten speed bicycle IS an alien life-form.) And I can testify that it is indeed the washing machine which serves as the magical conduit through which socks enter the 5th dimension. I use the old-fashioned (and ecologically holier-than-thou) clothesline method for drying, and I still suffer from the multiple single sock syndrome. Now here's the puzzler. Why is it that the machine always takes only 1 of a kind, and never its mate? But I'll put any washing machines' appetites for socks up against the voraciousness of my desk when it comes to swallowing up Important Papers. Now where are those expense reports I just finished? Barbara ===== 2 Click-to-help sites are aiding attack victims, and other good causes, by generating donations at no cost to you. Please visit the Hunger Site http://www.thehungersite.com, and the Care2 site http://rainforest.care2.com. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 13:33:00 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 13:26:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: And when you're not looking (was Boscastle) To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01KACHOPCVMS9BYQA0-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Barbara wrote: > Really Graham! Everybody knows that it's paper clips that pupate > into wire coat hangers. Bicycles start out as safety pins in their > immature form. > (I remember reading a science fiction story years ago, where that was > indeed the premise. Eventually the protaganist realizes that his > fancy ten speed bicycle IS an alien life-form.) While I hesitate to perpetuate this slowly-unraveling thread, I'll follow along with the sometimes-scholarly nature of this list to say that the story Barbara recalls is "Or All the Seas With Oysters" by Avram Davidson, which won the Hugo award after its initial publication in _The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction_ in 1962. -- Alan =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 15:13:45 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 18:11:24 -0500 From: Maryn McKenna Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: And when you're not looking (was Boscastle) To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20011105180206.00af7c20-AT- mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT At 11:01 AM 11/5/01 -0800, Graham and Barbara wrote: >- > > What I have always heard was that escaped *pencils* disappear and > > gradually turn into coathangers (wire, I think); which eventually > > metamorphose into ... > Everybody knows that it's paper clips that pupate >into wire coat hangers. Bicycles start out as safety pins in their >immature form. hmmm. i *distinctly* remember being told in organic chemistry that the reason socks disappeared was that right socks are built out of right-rotated molecules, while left socks are built out of left-rotated molecules; the reason one of the two disappeared, of course, was that only one form of the molecule was soluble in water. which version was soluble differed depending on the synthetic yarn being used. (wool of course not being soluble in water in either molecular form - a good thing, or there would be a lot of naked sheep roaming the English hillsides.) m. (who would much prefer to write about socks than about anthrax, though would rather dance than either...) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 16:02:16 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 23:41:46 +0000 From: Keith Elmo Eldridge Subject: RE: Mr John Playford To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01e901c16656$b2b85510$402910ac-AT- desmond.opsis> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Nilos < Tideswell-AT- aol.com > wrote : > >Anyone > >for a Penguin Dance ? > > > >Regards > > Elmo (teacher of Penguin Dances, amongst others.) > > So *your* Sioux name is Dances with Penguins? > > Okay, I'll bite, what exactly is a penguin dance? Sounds > formal, anyway. I don't know if Penguin (the publishers) have ever produced the Penguin book of English Country Dances. I have taught Playford Dances to the Manchester University Ceilidh Society students under the title of Penguin Dances on the grounds that, had Penguin been around in the 17th century, they may have published the dances rather than Mr Playford. As for dancing with penguins, sounds far too cold for someone as insulationly challenged as me. Regards Elmo -- --Keith Elmo Eldridge --Buxworth, Derbyshire, England --Elmo-AT- aphelia.co.uk --Flying Clouds Contra - American Contra Dancing in north-west England --http://www.aphelia.co.uk/contra --I am, therefore I dance. I dance therefore I am. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 16:40:06 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 19:39:39 -0500 (EST) From: SallenNic-AT- aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Pat Shaw CD To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <115.724a3de.29188b4b-AT- aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT It is the intention of the Assembly Players to record a commemorative CD in January for issue next year, the 25th since Pat's death. I should be grateful for suggestions as to Dances we might consider including - those which are not yet recorded, those which are inadequately recorded, those which anyone considers would particularly suit our style of playing etc. Any and all ideas will be welcome. Nicolas B., Lanark, Scotland. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 16:40:13 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 19:39:43 -0500 (EST) From: SallenNic-AT- aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re:A soxy dilemma To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 5/11/01 3:00:59 pm, system-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes: >The clocks on the socks are not to remind you when to change your socks. >My dictionary gives a second meaning for clock: a woven or embroidered >ornament on the side of a sock or stocking, going up from the ankle. "...and you find you're as cold as an icicle, in your shirt and your socks (the black silk with gold clocks) crossing Salisbury Plain on a bicycle;" William S. Gilbert ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 18:45:59 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 21:14:10 -0500 From: Gene Murrow Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: And when you're not looking (was Boscastle) To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011105.213850.-842671.10.gmurrow-AT- juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Mon, 05 Nov 2001 18:11:24 -0500 Maryn McKenna writes: > hmmm. i *distinctly* remember being told in organic chemistry that > the reason socks disappeared was that right socks are built out of > right-rotated molecules, while left socks are built out of > left-rotated molecules... Eureka!! That's it!! That's why some dancers cannot keep right and left straight, to the dismay of their partners and exasperation of the caller. They have their socks on backwards!! Thanks, maryn. Gene (always on topic) Murrow EC Dancer, Caller, Musician P.S. Barbara, your missing expense reports just turned up on my desk accompanied by some green socks. Any sign of my tentative April 13, 2002, NY Playford Ball program which just disappeared? [subtle shameless commercial message] ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Permanent address: - for your Address book ISP of the moment: - "Reply" button destination ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 23:39:26 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 18:36:09 +1100 From: Aylwen Subject: A Parody on Contra.... To: ECD List Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <034201c16695$b528e140$5e7e09d2-AT- earthly> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Summer 12 ...... The Busy Fellows ..... "In art today it is common to make a parody of courtship rituals, marriage, family relations and the boundaries set by social obligations. In 18th century and early 19th century Bordonia, however, despite the Bordonians' reputation as free-loving, the boundaries set by social obligations were taken very seriously. Indeed, it was as if philandery would not be as sweet if monogamy not so expected, the game of love less fun if it were not framed by polite necessity. One such necessity was that gentlemen, no matter what other machinations or assignations they might arrange, should not introduce themselves directly to ladies and should use go-betweens to reveal their romantic interest. The people of Nenjira see this necessity behind the evolution of the contra-corner figure central to this dance - the men using each other to meet the ladies in the other's company and never going directly to them. The people of Dudelsac, though equally aware of the importance of arrangements as a spring board for their spontaneous life-style, prefer to see this figure as a relic of a much earlier animist age when men would raise their arms like antlers, lower their heads like rutting stags and throw themselves alternately at each other, interlocking elbows or fists, and at the young women looking on, as if competing for does. Accordingly, in Dudelsac men will often snort when dancing this dance." Copyright John Garden, taken from "The Lost Dances of Earthly Delights", http://www.earthlydelights.com.au . ______________________________________________ «?»¥«?»§«?»¥«?»§«?»¥«?»§«?»¥«?»§«?»¥«?»§«?»¥«? John & Aylwen Garden garden-AT- earthlydelights.com.au http://www.earthlydelights.com.au Saturday 10 November 2001 VINTAGE DANCE DAY http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/Vintage.html Sunday 16 December 2001 DICKENSIAN CHRISTMAS CAROL BALL http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/Dickens.htm John Garden & the band Earthly Delights may also be contacted on (02) 62811098 or 87 Schlich Street, Yarralumla ACT 2600 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 01:52:39 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 01:52:34 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: And when you're not looking (was Boscastle) To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011106095234.88971.qmail-AT- web20006.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > On Mon, 05 Nov 2001 18:11:24 -0500 Maryn McKenna > writes: > > hmmm. i *distinctly* remember being told in organic > > chemistry that the reason socks disappeared was that right > > socks are built out of right-rotated molecules, while left > > socks are built out of left-rotated molecules... > --- Gene Murrow wrote: > Eureka!! That's it!! That's why some dancers cannot keep > right and left straight, to the dismay of their partners and > exasperation of the caller. They have their socks on > backwards!! Made all the worse when someone puts two right socks on their two left feet. Andy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 02:07:05 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 02:07:01 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: And when you're not looking (was Boscastle) To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011106100701.90761.qmail-AT- web20006.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --- Alan Winston wrote: > the story Barbara recalls is "Or All the Seas With Oysters" > by Avram Davidson, which won the Hugo award after its initial > publication in _The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction_ > in 1962. That title certainly sounds like another dance for Nilos' dance feast. Maybe a variant of "If All the World Were Paper"? Andy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 05:07:20 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 08:01:35 -0500 From: "Hanny D. Budnick" <74031.77-AT- compuserve.com> Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Pat Shaw CD To: Blind.Copy.Receiver-AT- compuserve.com Message-ID: <200111060805_MC3-E5FA-B38B-AT- compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Nic - as long as you leave out Heidenroeslein......... I don't know whether there is a recording of Tallis' Canon, that would be a good one to have 'canned'. _-AT- _ {)/' /\ /\_._,<_/ ' \ /_\ /> /< Hanny ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 07:14:01 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 10:14:39 -0500 From: SUSAN B BOOKER Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Socks To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <005701c166d5$c1ad1ea0$4b02ffd1-AT- oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I've been waiting for someone to post this round, but it appears I'll have to do the honors. I regret that I do not know the author's identity. The melody greatly resembles the "B" part of "Haste to the Wedding": "Black socks, they never need washing, The longer you wear them, the blacker they get! Someday, they'll go in the laundry, But something inside me keeps saying, not yet...not yet...not yet...not yet..." Learned it at a Christmas School afterparty several years ago... Susan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 08:30:02 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 10:27:35 -0600 From: Paul Stamler Subject: Re: Socks To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <006401c166df$f2322fc0$ae394b0c-AT- paulstam> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <005701c166d5$c1ad1ea0$4b02ffd1-AT- oemcomputer> <> It's also sung to the same tune as the immortal "Shine Your Buttons With Brasso". <<"Black socks, they never need washing, The longer you wear them, the blacker they get! Someday, they'll go in the laundry, But something inside me keeps saying, not yet...not yet...not yet...not yet...">> Peace, Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 09:29:28 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 17:11:43 +0000 From: Trevor Monson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Pat Shaw CD To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <006f01c166e6$ed0c44c0$f49c01d4-AT- trevormo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <115.724a3de.29188b4b-AT- aol.com> Hi Nic, The first 3 that come to my mind are:- Ty Coch Caerdydd (The Red House of Cardiff) Sawdl y Fuwch (The Cowslip) Princess Royal I know the first 2 have been recorded by Cwmdeithas Ddawns Werin Cymru (Welsh Folk Dance Society) but they seem the wrong speed to me, and they also love playing loads of alternative tunes instead of just one! Even though Pat (or Padrig Farfog as I believe he was called in Wales) composed them as Welsh dances, they have been danced as ECD for years, so assume these can be considered?! So far I haven't found any recording for Princess Royal. I'm sure I'll think of more, but how's that for starters? Best wishes, Trev. > It is the intention of the Assembly Players to record a commemorative CD in > January for issue next year, the 25th since Pat's death. > I should be grateful for suggestions as to Dances we might consider > including - those which are not yet recorded, those which are inadequately > recorded, those which anyone considers would particularly suit our style of > playing etc. Any and all ideas will be welcome. > Nicolas B., Lanark, > Scotland. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free -AT- yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 09:37:14 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 12:36:50 -0500 From: Joyce Crouch Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Socks To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT on 11/6/01 10:14 AM, SUSAN B BOOKER at susantiq-AT- prodigy.net wrote: > "Black socks, they never need washing, > The longer you wear them, the blacker they get! > Someday, they'll go in the laundry, > But something inside me keeps saying, > not yet...not yet...not yet...not yet..." or the variant I learned, which I think is slightly more earthy and more fun to sing. (I was going to say "stronger poetically," but that seemed ridiculously pompous in this situation...) "Black socks, they never get dirty, The longer you wear them, the stronger they get! Sometimes I think I should wash them, But something inside me keeps saying, not yet...not yet...not yet...not yet..." To sway toward the on-topic, I've seen people dancing barefoot and on especially slippery floors I've seen them take off their dance shoes and dance in socks. The latter always seemed counterintuitive to me...surely shoe soles would have more traction than socks! I never bothered to experiment. Perhaps people can suggest what kind of socks, what blend of cotton, wool, nylon, spandex, etc, they have found gives the best traction on slippery floors. At least until Alan finally calls a halt to the whole sock thread (no pun intended). :-) Hmmm, this may be my moment to echo what others have said now and again: Alan, you are performing a wonderful service to all of us by creating and maintaining this list! You do an excellent job of it. Thank you very much! Joyce Crouch ----------------------------------------------------------------- NEW PERMANENT EMAIL ADDRESS ****** joycecrouch-AT- pobox.com ***** ----------------------------------------------------------------- Joyce B Crouch Telephone: 413-549-4123 95 Pulpit Hill Road Fax: 413-549-7096 Amherst MA 01002 email: joycecrouch-AT- pobox.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 11:17:52 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 11:17:46 -0800 (PST) From: Barbara Ruth Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: And when you're not looking (was Boscastle) To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011106191746.12269.qmail-AT- web13609.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --- Gene Murrow wrote: > P.S. Barbara, your missing expense reports just turned up on my > desk accompanied by some green socks. Drat! The ones I'm missing are purple. (Socks of course not the expense reports. Those are orange). --- Joyce Crouch wrote: > At least until Alan finally calls a halt to the whole sock thread > (no pun intended). In this case isn't it more of a yarn. D. ===== 2 Click-to-help sites are aiding attack victims, and other good causes, by generating donations at no cost to you. Please visit the Hunger Site http://www.thehungersite.com, and the Care2 site http://rainforest.care2.com. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 11:57:51 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 14:55:14 -0500 From: "Hanny D. Budnick" <74031.77-AT- compuserve.com> Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Mr. John Playford - sans sox To: Blind.Copy.Receiver-AT- compuserve.com Message-ID: <200111061456_MC3-E601-71D4-AT- compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Is our combined knowledge of Mr. John Playford really THAT limited? Or is he that uninteresting - particularly when compared to socks? _-AT- _ {)/' /\ /\_._,<_/ ' \ /_\ /> /< Hanny ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 12:20:35 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 15:31:17 -0500 From: Graham.Christian-AT- risk.sungard.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Mr. John Playford - sans sox To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Here is a link to one brief sketch: http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/lod/vol3/playford_bib.html I have not checked the Groves, old or new, but I would guess that there is more in them. It is curious, and a true testament to the broadly anonymous (with noted exceptions) nature of early ECD that we so persistently bracket the dances under the publisher's name: imagine making constant reference to the Scribner dances, or the Gallimard dances... Graham Christian Technical Writer, Product Management SunGard Trading and Risk Systems 88 Broad Street, Boston, MA 02110 Telephone number: (617)542-2800, extension 648 Email address: graham.christian-AT- risk.sungard.com Group web address: http://www.risk.sungard.com "There has never been a good war, or a bad peace." --B. Franklin ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. 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There was just an article about her recently in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette (Pennsylvania, USA). People mail her dryer lint from all over & she fashions these little things with them & mails them back. She also does a lot with big puppets and community art and parades and celebrations & so on. She's very cool. I've been privileged to take some of her community art classes, in preparation for a First Night celebration here in Pittsburgh. She is wonderful in the way she facilitates many different appreciations of the plastic arts--she and I have had several conversations about how to make all art forms more accessible to children and--especially, actually!- -adults. While there are many local programs on the plastic arts (by which I mean crafts, drawing, ceramics, etc) for little wee children plus a parent, there is almost nothing for the 7and up plus parent(s) in any of the arts to experience! That is, there is a real (local) gap in the family experience of art (in all its guises). Cheryl also illustrated the cover of my book on Elsie Oxenham & the folk revival, but that is almost by-the-way. You see that even something apparantly as trivial as Dryer Lint has a CONNECTION to the world of folk dance! Allison On Sat, 03 Nov 2001 08:49:07 -0800 (PST) Andrew Peterson writes: > --- "Priscilla M. Burrage" wrote: > > On Sat, 3 Nov 2001, Andrew Peterson wrote: > > > > > --- Allison M Thompson wrote: > > > > ...where do they all go to?? Will I ever get any of them > > > > back? And will I *want* them back? > > > > > > They've gone to join all of the lost socks of the world... > > > > > > I believe that the sox escape from the washing machine, go to > > sleep under the machine, become covered with enough dust to > > make a cocoon, and finally emerge a few weeks later as -- coat > > hangers. > > My washer and dryer seem to have an appetite for cat hair, as > there are always tufts of it left stuck to the clean clothes > when I fold them. In deference to cat hair, it recently even > spit out a sock that I was able to match to one of the odd ones > in my drawer. > > Andy > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Find a job, post your resume. > http://careers.yahoo.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 15:11:27 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 18:09:58 -0500 From: Allison M Thompson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: A soxy dilemma To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011106.181128.-1815061.1.AllisonThompson-AT- juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sorry, but there are 2 children, 2 1/2 years apart, and as part of the school uniform they can only wear white or blue, so you see that the possibilities for the Laundry Sorter to Make Mistakes is Rife. Personally, I have had to give up buying white, blue, or black socks, since my caro sposo cannot distingush whether these belong, respectively, to him, my elder son or me, and so I know always buy socks for myself with penguins, palm trees, dogs, firecrackers, etc., on them. A. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 15:11:30 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 18:18:17 -0500 From: Allison M Thompson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Another soxy dilemma To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011106.181128.-1815061.2.AllisonThompson-AT- juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT And, pursuant to what Tim wrote about having embroidered each sock with a flash of color on the ankle, I still remember the time when (I was about 14), my mother had bought me and my 2 younger sisters (at that time, 10 and 6--that is, sort of similar in size, but not quite) a whole bunch of identical white knee socks & I (really pleased with myself at my foresight and diligence) got out the sewing machine and carefully ran a different color thread (spool AND bobbin) neatly across the toes of each of our pairs of socks: me, red; Emily, blue; Abigail, yellow. What a helpful child I was! Now we would never get them confused! It is still difficult for me to recall my chagrin when my dear mamma came home & pointed out that I had closed the toes of all the socks making them totally unwearable & that I would have to pick out the stiches....myself....by hand.... I never re-marked those horrid socks, and, as I recall, within a month or so we were all fighting over the one remaining pair of socks, rather like the Gracchi (sp? oh, h**l, I'm not going to go look it up!) over their one eyeball.... Yrs, Allison ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 16:12:34 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 19:13:10 -0500 From: SUSAN B BOOKER Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Playford Family Tree To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <005001c16720$fcd7cca0$3846fcd1-AT- oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I don't know what sort of socks John Playford wore, but you can learn more about his family at http://www.cam.ac.uk/societies/round/playford/playford1623.htm You can also back up a bit from this site, and find some slightly dubious history re. _The English Dancing Master_ (were all the best dancing masters really French, so that the title was intended to be humorous??) Susan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 16:22:52 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 19:23:30 -0500 From: SUSAN B BOOKER Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: More about John Playford (no sox content) To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <005801c16722$6deecc80$3846fcd1-AT- oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT This is from a SCA site. It includes some straight-forward information about Playford's family and life, with some brief information about the political climate of the times. http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/lod/vol3/playford_bib.html Susan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 16:23:56 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 19:24:34 -0500 From: SUSAN B BOOKER Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Oops! (Was Playford, not socks) To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <006001c16722$944ce1a0$3846fcd1-AT- oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sorry - I posted that last before reading Graham's message. Sorry for the redundancy... Susan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 18:11:14 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 18:42:52 -0500 From: Allison M Thompson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Socks To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011106.211109.-1815061.8.AllisonThompson-AT- juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT This great song--call me & I'll sing you the tune--is printed (with slightly different words) in a Garrison Keillor songbook titled (I think), "Joe has a head like a peanut" Allison On Tue, 06 Nov 2001 10:14:39 -0500 SUSAN B BOOKER writes: > I've been waiting for someone to post this round, but it appears I'll > have > to do the honors. I regret that I do not know the author's identity. > The > melody greatly resembles the "B" part of "Haste to the Wedding": > > "Black socks, they never need washing, > The longer you wear them, the blacker they get! > Someday, they'll go in the laundry, > But something inside me keeps saying, > not yet...not yet...not yet...not yet..." > > Learned it at a Christmas School afterparty several years ago... > > Susan > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 18:11:22 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 18:19:40 -0500 From: Allison M Thompson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: sock poem To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011106.211108.-1815061.3.AllisonThompson-AT- juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I LOVE this poem! Thanks Allison On Mon, 05 Nov 2001 08:45:00 -0800 Kalia Kliban writes: > The following is from the twisty little brain of Les Barker: > > Odd Socks > > I've got a green sock; > Just the one. > I used to have two > But one of them's gone. > > I've got a blue sock; > Just one of them, too; > I've got lots of other socks > But none of them's blue. > > In my collection of socks, > Grey ones are rare; > I've got one. > I haven't got a pair. > > I've got a pair of black socks; > It's the only pair I've got, > Except one of them's red. > The other one's not. > > The other one's pink. > I never bought a pink pair; > I never bought one > But one day it was there. > > I never buy one sock; > I always buy two; > Our family's always done that; > It's what right-thinking people do. > > And now I've got a green sock; > I've got another one that's red; > I wasn't told about this; > My mother never said. > > They slip out in the darkness > Around two o'clock; > There's one in every pair; > The St. Michael's homing sock. > > It's a kind of redistribution; > It's where socialism's gone; > It's migrated into socks. > We've all got one. > > The Duke of Westminster; > There are times he must despair. > He owns half the socks in England. > He hasn't got a pair. > > You an hear them in the cupboard > With all the other clothes. > You can hear the sound of coins; > Tossing up to see who goes. > > In our big local Tesco carpark > A skip has been set down > With big letters saying "Soxfam"; > So in I threw one brown, > > One green, one grey, one red, > One blue, one pink, one black; > Every sock in my collection; > Then the others all came back. > > I've got a green sock; > Just the one. > I used to have two > But one of them's gone. > > ----------------------- > > And yes, I realize that it has no ECD content whatsoever. My > apologies, > Alan. It's just so rare to have the right poem for an occasion like > this. > > Kalia > > ----o-O-0-O-o---- > kalia-AT- monitor.net > ----o-O-0-O-o---- ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 10:31:10 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 13:28:55 -0500 From: sol weber Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: loose ends To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011107.132909.-185903.3.solweber-AT- juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Re socks, don't forget to divide them into socks with holes and those without. The ones with holes can be used with shoes that hide them, but not with your Tevas or when dancing just with socks. Of course, when you're wearing your elegant floor length gown, that will cover up holey sox *and* dirty sneakers. Only those in the dressing room will know. (Hmmm. Maybe it's time to recheck that $30 True Brit auction item, the photos taken in the NY Playford Ball ladies dressing room.) Yes, great poem by Les Barker about single sox, especially the soxfam line. Years ago I saw a wonderful children's book, "The Planet of Lost Things", that explained where all these missing things went. Probably lots of lost dances up there as well, right next to the single socks. Finally, I must add what I think is the correct (and more pungent) version...... Black sox, the longer you wear them the stronger they get. Sometimes I think I should launder them; something keeps telling me, don't wash them yet not yet not yet..... +++++Sol "Roundman" Weber --- "So many rounds, so little time" +++++25-14 37th St, Astoria, NY 11103; 718-278-4389 (after 11am) ++SINGERS and musicians, contact me for info on books, albums, and misc musical fun; solweber-AT- JUNO.com ; members.nbci.com/rounds Urgent message? Please phone. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 11:26:49 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 14:26:27 -0500 (EST) From: JBGrun-AT- aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: loose ends To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <16b.3876165.291ae4e3-AT- aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 11/7/01 1:34:10 PM, solweber-AT- juno.com writes: << (Hmmm. Maybe it's time to recheck that $30 True Brit auction item, the photos taken in the NY Playford Ball ladies dressing room.) >> I did, Sol, & there were no indecent sox exposures. Judy ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 11:42:20 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 11:42:14 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Socks To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011107194214.94473.qmail-AT- web20005.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --- Joyce Crouch wrote: > To sway toward the on-topic, I've seen people dancing barefoot > and on especially slippery floors I've seen them take off > their dance shoes and dance in socks. The latter always > seemed counterintuitive to me...surely shoe soles would have > more traction than socks! I never bothered to experiment. > Perhaps people can suggest what kind of socks, what blend of > cotton, wool, nylon, spandex, etc, they have found gives the > best traction on slippery floors. I can't dance in rubber-soled shoes because they stick and twist my knees, so I've danced in my socks when I forgot my dance shoes. If the socks are a bit sweaty the traction isn't bad, but as they dry, one has no traction at all. When I lived in New Hampshire in '73-'74, I used to attend Contras every Friday and Saturday night. The footwear of choice seemed to be either hiking boots or bare feet. There was a guy in Hartford who danced barefooted and had incredibly large feet. He worked for Howie Bursen in his winery in eastern Connecticut, but was _not_ hired to stomp the grapes. Andy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 12:46:41 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 15:46:33 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Arnold Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Jane Austen English Dance Assembly To: ECD Mailing List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT The Jane Austen Society of North America (JASNA) Michigan Region is holding a dance, open to the public, as part of their annual Jane Austen Birthday Celebration, on Saturday, December 8, 2001 at Henry Ford's ballroom, Lovett Hall, in Dearborn, MI, from 1:45 to 4:45 PM. The ballroom is one of the gems of American architecture and it is very unusual that it is possible to have an English Country Dance in this setting, which features a sprung teak floor and Czech crystal chandeliers among its various virtues. The dancing will be led by Eric Arnold, with the dances drawn primarily from the Jane Austen era, but including some which are related by title or other connection to the Austen family or which have been used in movies based on her novels (with much debt to Beverly Francis for her work on exploring these connections!). All dances will be taught; the level will be such that people without prior dancing experience, but with enthusiasm for the activity, should have a really good time, while more experienced dancers, with the mixture of the grand surroundings, the relatively easy but interesting dances, and the enthusiasm of the Jane Austen Society members (which was really fantastic in my one previous experience with them!), should have a really great time. The band, made up of four classically-trained musicians who also dance and play regularly for dances in the area, includes Anne Ogren (violin, viola, bass viola da gamba); Nathan Peters (violin, viola, mandolin); Martha Stokely (oboe, recorder, pennywhistle); Debbie Jackson (keyboard, guitar). They are all members or have played as guests with Perfect Match, a band formed three years ago which plays for a monthly English Country Dance which it started in Ann Arbor soon after its inception. English dancers with some experience are particularly urged to come to help the very enthusiastic but largely inexperienced members of JASNA have a fine time and enjoy the delights that English Country DAncing can provide. To attend the dance, a $20 registration fee is required by Nov. 21, 2001, to enable the sponsors to meet the advance notice requirements of the hall. This fee includes catered refreshments at a break halfway through. For JASNA members (including new members, which they are happy to have!), the dance will be preceeded by a champagne toast and birthday dinner (additonal fee). Several other dances are taking place in the Ann Arbor that weekend, including traditional contras & squares on Friday night, a Regency Ball & a contradance on Saturday night, and an English Tea Dance (with Alisa Dodson & Perfect Match) on Sunday afternoon. For more details, including photos of the hall, registration information, and informatin on other dances & JASNA, see: www.umich.edu/~frantzsj/jada.html or contact Kathy Erwin, 1062 Stratford Ln., Bloomfield Hills, MI 48304 or erwin_k-AT- hotmail.com or telephone 248-646-2071. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 13:36:41 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 16:35:22 -0500 (EST) From: Sam Weiler Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: Socks (was Boscastle) To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Sat, 3 Nov 2001, SUSAN B BOOKER wrote: > It was also interesting to see the variety of dancing shoes - or rather, > shoes chosen for dancing... When I first saw David Millstone's video "Paid to Eat Ice Cream", we (the audience) were intrigued by what people wore, especially on on their feet. The showing was followed by a workshop on how to document a dance on video, and someone pointed out that it's hard to predict exactly what people several decades from now will find interesting: it might well be the clothing, it might be social bits -- how people partner, it might be the quiet respect (or lack thereof) shown to the leader. In any case, I strongly suggest getting in touch with David if you're thinking about videotaping a dance. -- Sam ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 13:55:35 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 16:55:16 -0500 (EST) From: Sam Weiler Subject: Re: Boscastle To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Sat, 3 Nov 2001, Andrew Peterson wrote: > > We could (sort of) get back on topic by discussing what socks > people have found to best resist the wear caused by dancing. I find Thorlo's very comfortable, but I haven't worn them long enough to comment on durability: these are fairly pricey acrylic socks with varying amounts of terry-weave padding. I've worn their "Fitness Walking" socks for dancing and been pretty happy. I think the "Running" socks have even more padding. They also make a few styles in black and other interesting colors. In particular, they make a "Uniform" sock, often available through police/fire/EMS supply houses, in over-the-calf lengths. They also make a "Combat Boot" sock which is thick enough to make your shoes not fit. Hiking socks (made by WigWam or SmartWool) often come in terry weaves, too, and are pretty comfortable, if a bit warm. Personally, I don't mind wool socks, even for dancing. Good (big, independent) shoe stores may stock these, as will outdoor stores. If you're in New York City, there's a scuba diving shop at 42 West 18th St. that used to (and may still) have some styles of Thorlo's at exceptional prices. -- Sam ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 20:14:55 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 23:11:05 -0500 From: Mary Beth Goodman Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: mac users - new music device To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hope this won't seem like shameless promotion (I DO work in an Apple retail store....) but I wanted to put a good word in for the new iPod as a possible solution for people needing to transport music to dance gigs or for personal pleasure. This pocket-sized device is basically a 5 Gig firewire hard drive that is set up to act as an mp3 player but can also act as a plain drive. You convert your music to mp3 format, plug the ipod into your mac and it synchs the ipod to what's on your drive. You can roll through various menus sorted by title, artist, album etc. Solid 10 hour battery life. Recharges through the firewire connection. Since it holds between 1000-1300 tunes, it can easily hold a great deal of the average person's music collection. (I say that because I'm guessing that many of you have more than an average assortment!) The device is sold with ear buds for individual entertaining. The group of us immediately figured out that with a car cassette player adaptor we could use this in our car. That was very appealing to many - that much music selection in an easy to carry device. No more stacks of CD's or being confined to the stack that you brought with you. You can play through in a particular order, or shuffle them for variety. Today we tried plugging it into a set of rather inexpensive but good speakers and it just blew us away. It would be fabulous for small parties and classes. Basically, using iTunes (a music file management software) you would set up playlists for your event and play those tunes or others. In other words you can organize the tunes to your needs. We're still playing with the possibilities of said device and I wanted to just give you a heads up because I know there are some mac users on the list. The ipod was announced a week or so ago but officially launches for sale this coming weekend. For complete information: http://www.apple.com/ipod/ Let's just say I'm in the process of converting our CD collection. I'm really looking forward to hearing all of my CD's again, not just the ones near the top of the stack Mary Beth <-- mac user long before employed by Apple) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 21:29:52 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 21:30:06 -0800 From: Kalia Kliban Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: Socks (was Boscastle) To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20011107213006.0077abc4-AT- mail.monitor.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT At 04:35 PM 11/7/2001 -0500, you wrote: >On Sat, 3 Nov 2001, SUSAN B BOOKER wrote: > >> It was also interesting to see the variety of dancing shoes - or rather, >> shoes chosen for dancing... > >When I first saw David Millstone's video "Paid to Eat Ice Cream", we (the >audience) were intrigued by what people wore, especially on on their feet. > >The showing was followed by a workshop on how to document a dance on >video, and someone pointed out that it's hard to predict exactly what >people several decades from now will find interesting: it might well be >the clothing, it might be social bits -- how people partner, it might be >the quiet respect (or lack thereof) shown to the leader. In any case, I >strongly suggest getting in touch with David if you're thinking about >videotaping a dance. As one such person (interested in documenting dances with video, that is), how would I get in touch with David? Kalia ------------------------------------------------------- Kalia Kliban -- kalia-AT- monitor.net Forema'am, Apple Tree Morris (Sebastopol, California) Green Man at large ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 22:50:46 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 00:48:16 -0600 From: Paul Stamler Subject: Socks, really To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <003501c16821$589edbe0$244e4b0c-AT- paulstam> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: On Sat, 3 Nov 2001, Andrew Peterson wrote: > > We could (sort of) get back on topic by discussing what socks > people have found to best resist the wear caused by dancing. I'm more interested in resisting the wear on my feet than the wear on my socks; I'm willing to consider socks sacrificial if they protect my aging soles. I've found regular fluffy acrylic socks from the department store work fine -- provided I wear TWO pair. That seems to work much better for me than a single pair of thicker socks; possibly the slight movement between the layers prevents chafing on my feet. They last reasonably well, and are reasonably cool. Peace, Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 03:46:48 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 06:46:06 -0500 From: Deb Karl Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: David Millstone's email address (was Socks) To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3BEA707E.2430A6EF-AT- wi.mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <3.0.1.32.20011107213006.0077abc4-AT- mail.monitor.net> > As one such person (interested in documenting dances with video, that is), > how would I get in touch with David? millstone-AT- valley.net ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 03:49:07 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 06:48:26 -0500 From: Deb Karl Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: mac users - new music device To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3BEA710A.52CFE625-AT- wi.mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: Thanks for the suggestion, Mary Beth! Now if Apple would just drop the price of the iPod by $100 or so.... --Deb ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 07:16:57 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 10:16:38 -0500 (EST) From: DavBarnert-AT- aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Black Socks To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sol wrote: >Finally, I must add what I think is the correct (and more >pungent) version...... Black sox, the longer you wear them the >stronger they get. Sometimes I think I should launder them; >something keeps telling me, don't wash them yet not yet not >yet..... Sol, you missed a line. We learned this one together from Ed Harris all those years ago. Black Socks, They never get dirty, <---- ** The longer you wear them, The stonger they get. Sometimes I think I should launder them; Something keeps telling me, Don't wash them yet not yet not yet..... I'm sure it must be correct in your book. ______ /\/\/\/\ <______> | | | | | David Barnert <______> | | | | | <______> | | | | | Albany, N.Y. <______> \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 07:47:56 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 09:47:48 -0600 (CST) From: j-sivier-AT- ux1.cso.uiuc.edu Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Christmas Ball 12/15 in Urbana, IL To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <200111091547.fA9Flmm06172-AT- staff2.cso.uiuc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT The Central Illinois English Country Dancers Present An E N G L I S H C O U N T R Y D A N C E C H R I S T M A S B A L L The Central Illinois English Country Dancers will be holding their seventh annual Christmas Ball on Saturday, December 15, 2001. The dance will be held at the Channing-Murray Foundation, 1209 W. Oregon, Urbana, IL, on the campus of the University of Illinois. There will be a warm up session from 7:00 to 8:00 with a review of the basics of English country dance as well as some of the evening's dances. The Ball will follow from 8:00 to 11:00 p.m. Fans and finery are encouraged. Bring fruit or a dessert to share. There is a $7.00 suggested donation to help cover the cost of the Ball. We ask that dancers wear soft soled shoes to help protect the dance floor and avoid using excessive amounts of perfume for the benefit of others that may experience allergic reactions. All dances will be taught and all lovers of English country dance and music are welcome. Dances Lead By: Susan Burt, Jane Hobgood and Jonathan Sivier Music Provided By: The Flatland Consort Warm Up Session: 7:00 p.m. Christmas Ball: 8:00 to 11:00 p.m. Date: Saturday, December 15, 2001 Location: Channing-Murray Foundation, 1209 W. Oregon, Urbana, IL Suggested Donation: $7.00 There will be refreshments and a mummers' play at the break and a dessert party following the dance. For further information contact Jonathan Sivier (j-sivier-AT- uiuc.edu) at 217/359-8225 or Jane Hobgood at 217/328-1708. You can check the Christmas Ball website at http://www.prairienet.org/ciecd/xmas.html Central Illinois English Country Dancers is affiliated with the Champaign Park District and a member of the Champaign County Cultural Consortium. If we don't see you at the Ball, Then 'Happy Hols' to one and all! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Jonathan Sivier |Q: How many angels can dance on the | | j-sivier-AT- uiuc.edu | head of a pin? | | Flight Simulation Lab |A: It depends on what dance you call. | | Beckman Institute | | | 405 N. Mathews | SWMDG - Single White Male | | Urbana, IL 61801 | Dance Gypsy | | Work: 217/244-1923 | | | Home: 217/359-8225 | Have shoes, will dance. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Home page URL: http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/j-sivier | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 10:44:46 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 13:41:58 -0500 From: sol weber Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Familiar word To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011109.134207.-173849.3.solweber-AT- juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Each day I get an interesting word from the Wordsmith site wsmith-AT- wordsmith.org and here is today's, one that will be familiar to anyone who's heard Prindarella at camp (or is it from Beeping Slooty?), with its memorable, "Isn't that a shirty dame!" Who would have thought it was a real word? Sol Weber shirty (SHUHR-tee) adjective Bad-tempered, irritable. [From the expression "to get someone's shirt out" to annoy or to lose temper.] "We can appreciate why Lukie Muhlemann is a little agitated and shirty, but he should remember that CSFB is essentially a law unto itself." Ian Kerr, A Week in the Markets, Euroweek (London), Jan 26, 2001. This week's theme: words to describe people. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 14:16:12 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 17:13:27 -0500 From: "Hanny D. Budnick" <74031.77-AT- compuserve.com> Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Sing and dance To: Blind.Copy.Receiver-AT- compuserve.com Message-ID: <200111091716_MC3-E67B-4B99-AT- compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I know three of them in our realm, but are there more of them? I'm talking about musical rounds to which there are dances. The German "O wie wohl ist mir am Abend" has been sung as 'Oh how lovely is the evening' since its introduction in the USA, and the principle of the Kanonwalzer (three concentric circles, the innermost starting, the others following at consecutive entries) suits it well. With slightly adjusted words it is now gaining new popularity as the "Peace Round". There is Pat Shaw's "John Tallis' Canon", instrumental only, and his "Christchurch Bells", which also works with the tune being sung. Does anyone know any other such rounds? _-AT- _ {)/' /\ /\_._,<_/ ' \ /_\ /> /< Hanny ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 14:33:42 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 17:33:28 -0500 (EST) From: Terence Gaffney Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Workshop with Gary Roodman, Dance with Robin Hayden To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Dear Friends, Those of you within driving distance of Boston might be interested in two dance events that we are sponsoring this Saturday. In the afternoon starting at 2 Gary Roodman will be leading a workshop based on his compositions. This will be Gary's first time leading a dance event in Boston. (Suburban appearances don't count!) Later that evening Robin Hayden will be leading an evening dance featuring selections taken from issues of the CDSS newsletter. CDSS plans to publish a selection of these dances sometime soon. Both events take place at the First Baptist Church in Central Square Cambridge. Directions to the Church can be found at: http://www.cds-Boston.org/fbc_dirs.html Even though it's in Cambridge, there is a fair amount of parking available in the area.(There is a Bread and Circus lot on Prospect st not far from Mass. Ave.) Best, Terry ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 18:53:47 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 18:53:38 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Workshop with Gary Roodman, Dance with Robin Hayden To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011110025338.59035.qmail-AT- web20001.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --- Terence Gaffney wrote: > This will be Gary's first time leading a dance event in Boston. > (Suburban appearances don't count!) AND... > Both events take place at the First Baptist Church in Central > Square Cambridge. Isn't this a contradiction?? Cambridge, unless it's been annexed in the past twelve years, is NOT part of the City of Boston, it's across the river. Andy ...who lived in West Roxbury, which _is_ part of Boston, and Watertown, which is not. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 21:52:38 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 23:50:01 -0600 From: Paul Stamler Subject: Re: Familiar word To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <002801c169ab$8aae7e20$39284b0c-AT- paulstam> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <20011109.134207.-173849.3.solweber-AT- juno.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: sol weber <> "Some of the older debenture holders are apt to get shirty -- Forty-thirty" - "Tried by the Centre Court" (Michael Flanders) His other famous monologue from "At the Drop of A Hat" is, of course, on the subject of that eternally famous tune (and basis for dance), "Greenfleeves". (See, I found a way to make it ECD-relevant.) Peace, Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 07:31:41 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 10:31:34 -0500 (EST) From: Terence Gaffney Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Workshop with Gary Roodman, Dance with Robin Hayden To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Andy raises an interesting point. it is true that Cambridge is not a part of Boston, but it often is treated as if it were. for example the Boston phone book always includes cambridge. Cambridge also doesn't feel very different from some parts of Boston. Natick, the home of NEFFA, is the closest gig Gary has done to Boston (to my knowledge), and that's 20 miles away, and a different world altogether. Best, Terry On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, Andrew Peterson wrote: > --- Terence Gaffney wrote: > > This will be Gary's first time leading a dance event in > Boston. > > (Suburban appearances don't count!) > AND... > > Both events take place at the First Baptist Church in Central > > Square Cambridge. > > Isn't this a contradiction?? Cambridge, unless it's been annexed > in the past twelve years, is NOT part of the City of Boston, > it's across the river. > > Andy > ...who lived in West Roxbury, which _is_ part of Boston, and > Watertown, which is not. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Find a job, post your resume. > http://careers.yahoo.com > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 07:39:08 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 16:33:37 +0100 From: Antony Heywood Subject: Christmas Course To: ECD Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_OUqMbgToyre/6h69zjWlMg)" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_OUqMbgToyre/6h69zjWlMg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Booking opens on Monday 12 December for the NVS CHRISTMAS COURSE English and Scottish Country Dancing in a residential house near the centre of The Netherlands from Thursday 27 November 11.00 a.m. to after breakfast on Monday 31 December Callers and Teachers: Colin Hume, Simone Verheyen, Anita Oppedijk and Wil van den Berg Callers' Workshop on Saturday 29 December for more details visit the NVS website: www.nvs-dance.nl Antony Heywood --Boundary_(ID_OUqMbgToyre/6h69zjWlMg) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Booking opens on Monday 12 December for the
 
NVS CHRISTMAS COURSE
 
English and Scottish Country Dancing in a residential house near the centre of The Netherlands
 
from Thursday 27 November 11.00 a.m. to after breakfast on Monday 31 December