Yuletide Cotillion, 12/2/01

Archive-Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 01:20:45 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 09:20:37 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Davis Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: British idiom To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT The hard shoulder is the emergency strip at the side of the motorway, wher eyou pull off if you have a problem. Paul In message <4FE916CF.67581A0D.732DE083-AT- netscape.net> ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes: > Hello everyone, > > This is slightly off topic, and I apologize, but I thought someone on this list might have an answer to my question. > > Can anyone tell me what the idiom, "the hard shoulder" means? > > Thanks SO much!! > > Best, > > Dorothy Olsson > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop-AT- Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ > > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 04:34:38 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 07:34:26 -0500 From: DorothyOlsson-AT- netscape.net Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: British idiom To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <2F75EF63.21554911.732DE083-AT- netscape.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Many thanks to everyone who sent me responses about the "hard shoulder." It is much appreciated!! All the best, Dorothy Olsson __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop-AT- Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 16:33:24 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 16:37:29 -0800 From: Mary Luckhardt Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: SFFMC's Camp Harmony Invitation To: "SFFMC (Harmony) List" , ECD List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Camp Harmony 2001-2002 The San Francisco Folk Music Club invites new members to join the Club - and join our Folk Music Family in the Santa Cruz Mountains for 5 days of jamming, singing and dancing at New Years. Lead a workshop, begin a new instrument, join in a jam or sing along. Hike through the woods for meals. Eat some of the dinner you helped prepare. Make new friends over cider in the Reg Room. Make a box, paint a picture, read a book, and do it all surrounded by folks making music and having fun. We're a home made camp, and we put it on for each other. It's a wonderful, supportive environment for trying out new things. Here it's easy to take the first steps at teaching, whether calling a first dance, teaching a beginning instrument class, or leading a song for the first time. Some folks have found the inspiration to write a song or tune at camp, and the evening concert has debuted some keepers. Camp starts Thursday, December 27 and ends Tuesday, January 1. Until December 1, full price for all 5 days is only $225 ($150 for kids 3-11) or $48/$32 per day for 1-4 days. Come for the whole camp, or just for a winter getaway. You never know what will happen, it all depends on who shows up. Will it be you? See our website at www.sffmc.org for full information and registration forms. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 17:00:09 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 16:32:03 -0500 From: "Hanny D. Budnick" <74031.77-AT- compuserve.com> Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Mr. John Playford To: Blind.Copy.Receiver-AT- compuserve.com Message-ID: <200111021635_MC3-E5AA-65E6-AT- compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT So a kid asked me "what is a Playford anyway?" I'm putting the question to the rest of you. What DO we know about that man beyond the short biographical information one can find in encyclopaedias? Do we even know whether he himself danced? _-AT- _ {)/' /\ /\_._,<_/ ' \ /_\ /> /< Hanny Budnick ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 17:00:11 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 16:43:41 -0500 From: Anne Lowenthal Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: A February date? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU CC: Annie Edden Message-ID: <013e01c163e7$9be732a0$8a8cfea9-AT- oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: Dear Graham, I'm writing you in my role of English Program Chair at CD*NY to invite you to call for one of our regular Tuesday dances next season. The word is out that you will be in New York for the Sword Ale on Presidents' Day Weekend. Might we be able to persuade you to stay on? Our usual fee for callers is $80; we might also be able to help you with travel expenses and would arrange for lodging with one of our dancers. Would this be acceptable? If that Tuesday will not work for you, perhaps we can work something out for later in the season. With best wishes, Anne ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 18:17:47 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 21:02:28 -0500 From: Allison M Thompson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Boscastle To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011102.211621.-1722089.0.AllisonThompson-AT- juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Dear Allen, Thanks for your Boscastle dance insight--nothing contextually to prove or disprove what you say re: this dance with reference to (early American folk dance leader) Mary Hinman Wood's involvement ca. 1928 with this dance, although there is a lot in what you say about the dance that makes sense & I'm willing to suppose it. In the U.S. in the 'teens and 'Twenties, many of the early, U.S. folk dance leaders --well, it's stretching a point to call them "ethnographers," since they were (at least until the mid-30s) really quite uninterested in the ethnography of a particular dance.... and "choreographers" isn't the right word...nor is, exactly, "observers"...well, rather like Cecil, the early dance collectors & proselytizers were looking for "ur" -versions, as well as easily-teachable and standardizable-versions of dances. But Wood's selections of English dances is quite quirkily different from the other Grand Masters of the American group of folk dance collectors....most of whom were focused on the May pole dance, Sir Roger, and a representative 1) morris dance and/or 2) country dance such as "Sweet Kate," about which I've already queried here lately. She was clearly a person who "got around," more than most, and I'm still trying to figure her out... More to come on this topic when my notes are in order-- Allison P.S. If the above hardly makes sense--well, you should see my notes! P.P.S. Not to mention the rest of my house!! Why is it that school pants and shirts can live happily (by children) neglected for weeks on end under beds, while socks and underwear give up and vanish if not attended to after 2 or 3 days, and grumpily enter the 5th dimension from which never to return? And school occurs 5 days out of 7, so there is a mathematical hideous certainty underlying these mundane clothing statistics. I feel as if I go out and buy socks and underpants at least 3 weeks out of 4 and yet we never have any on Fridays...where do they all go to?? Will I ever get any of them back? And will I *want* them back? Yrs, in des-pair, A. On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 16:50:44 -0500 Alisa Dodson writes: > >Anyone heard of a dance for 2 couples, to a schottische, involving > >step-hopping & arches & so on, called "Boscastle?" I came across > it in a > >collection of folk dances ca 1910 & am wondering if the writer may > have > >devised it herself. > > > >Allison > > I haven't heard of the dance, but Boscastle is a small town or large > village in northern Cornwall, and it was one of the places where the > BBC > went to record "country dance music" in the 1920s or 30s. (There is > a > long-deleted Topic recording called "The Boscastle Breakdown" which > has > some of the BBC recordings on it; I don't recall if it includes a > schottische). > From your description of the dance, I'd say it was > "traditional"--i.e. > probably a schottishe danced in Boscastle at these social dances. > Couple > dances were popular at these venues, and the step-hopping and arches > are > common in such traditional country dances. > best > Allen Dodson > > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 00:29:54 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 00:29:52 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Boscastle To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011103082952.80978.qmail-AT- web20002.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --- Allison M Thompson wrote: > ...where do they all go to?? Will I ever get any of them > back? And will I *want* them back? They've gone to join all of the lost socks of the world... Consider it training for your child's future. If they lose such things now, they won't have any expectations of finding lost articles later. andy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 05:55:05 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 08:55:01 -0500 (EST) From: "Priscilla M. Burrage" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Boscastle To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Sat, 3 Nov 2001, Andrew Peterson wrote: > --- Allison M Thompson wrote: > > ...where do they all go to?? Will I ever get any of them > > back? And will I *want* them back? > > They've gone to join all of the lost socks of the world... I believe that the sox escape from the washing machine, go to sleep under the machine, become covered with enough dust to make a cocoon, and finally emerge a few weeks later as -- coat hangers. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Priscilla Burrage Vermont US (pburrage-AT- zoo.uvm.edu) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 06:06:38 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 09:17:00 -0500 From: C Subject: RE: Boscastle To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <000001c16472$3e476440$8a2ffc9e-AT- friedman> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT You know, growing up, my mom had a "sock basket" by her bed and it grew to ridiculous proportions. Those foot coverings were in there for mending, but mostly matching. For years she never found matches to many of my father's socks. Hilarious. :) -- Cara -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecd-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU [mailto:owner-ecd-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU]On Behalf Of Priscilla M. Burrage Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 8:55 AM To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Subject: Re: Boscastle On Sat, 3 Nov 2001, Andrew Peterson wrote: > --- Allison M Thompson wrote: > > ...where do they all go to?? Will I ever get any of them > > back? And will I *want* them back? > > They've gone to join all of the lost socks of the world... I believe that the sox escape from the washing machine, go to sleep under the machine, become covered with enough dust to make a cocoon, and finally emerge a few weeks later as -- coat hangers. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Priscilla Burrage Vermont US (pburrage-AT- zoo.uvm.edu) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 06:11:01 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 09:06:57 -0500 From: "Hanny D. Budnick" <74031.77-AT- compuserve.com> Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: A soxy dilemma To: Blind.Copy.Receiver-AT- compuserve.com Message-ID: <200111030909_MC3-E5B7-5DB3-AT- compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT For Alison: you can solve your soxy dilemma by buying only ONE color of socks...and then replenish when there's only one specimen left. _-AT- _ {)/' /\ /\_._,<_/ ' \ /_\ /> /< Hanny ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 06:57:44 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 10:00:43 -0800 From: etepper-AT- juno.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Boscastle To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011103.100043.-270869.0.etepper-AT- juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Convinced that it was the dryer's appetite that was responsible for the missing socks, my mother would add a "sacrificial sock" to each load of laundry to appease the appliance and ensure that an even number of socks would emerge. I don't know if this works...she lost a whole lot of clothing that way. Ellen ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 07:36:58 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 10:29:27 -0500 From: Ruth Feldberg Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Boscastle To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3BE40D54.4189DBEF-AT- javanet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <20011103.100043.-270869.0.etepper-AT- juno.com> Do you know the experience of losing your favorite scarf, umbrella, calculator etc but never losing an ugly umbrella etc. One day a few years ago I was at the bank putting some papers in my safe deposit box. When I leave the area I always look on the floor etc to be sure I haven't dropped anything and much to my surprise there on the floor was one gold knee sock!! I did recognize it right away, it was mine. And the first thing that I thought of was, "You never wear those socks and you have been meaning to get rid of them." The answer that I came up with is that this sock was attached to something in the dryer, perhaps my jeans or shirt and it just worked its way out. So that's the answer to where I think the socks go. Count your socks before you put them in the dryer or hang them up to dry. Ruth Feldberg Amherst, MA etepper-AT- juno.com wrote: > > Convinced that it was the dryer's appetite that was responsible for the > missing socks, my mother would add a "sacrificial sock" to each load of > laundry to appease the appliance and ensure that an even number of socks > would emerge. > I don't know if this works...she lost a whole lot of clothing that way. > Ellen ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 08:49:13 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 08:49:07 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Boscastle To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011103164907.32760.qmail-AT- web20005.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --- "Priscilla M. Burrage" wrote: > On Sat, 3 Nov 2001, Andrew Peterson wrote: > > > --- Allison M Thompson wrote: > > > ...where do they all go to?? Will I ever get any of them > > > back? And will I *want* them back? > > > > They've gone to join all of the lost socks of the world... > > > I believe that the sox escape from the washing machine, go to > sleep under the machine, become covered with enough dust to > make a cocoon, and finally emerge a few weeks later as -- coat > hangers. My washer and dryer seem to have an appetite for cat hair, as there are always tufts of it left stuck to the clean clothes when I fold them. In deference to cat hair, it recently even spit out a sock that I was able to match to one of the odd ones in my drawer. Andy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 09:23:20 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 10:23:14 -0700 From: Tom Vincent Subject: Re: Boscastle To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <004101c1648c$39344350$70cc0e3f-AT- jupiter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <20011103164907.32760.qmail-AT- web20005.mail.yahoo.com> If you people with your sock sacrifices to your washing machine deities were Contra dancers, I'd suggest that you'd been swinging too much and not balancing enough. :) Tom Vincent ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Peterson" To: Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 9:49 AM Subject: Re: Boscastle > --- "Priscilla M. Burrage" wrote: > > On Sat, 3 Nov 2001, Andrew Peterson wrote: > > > > > --- Allison M Thompson wrote: > > > > ...where do they all go to?? Will I ever get any of them > > > > back? And will I *want* them back? > > > > > > They've gone to join all of the lost socks of the world... > > > > > > I believe that the sox escape from the washing machine, go to > > sleep under the machine, become covered with enough dust to > > make a cocoon, and finally emerge a few weeks later as -- coat > > hangers. > > My washer and dryer seem to have an appetite for cat hair, as > there are always tufts of it left stuck to the clean clothes > when I fold them. In deference to cat hair, it recently even > spit out a sock that I was able to match to one of the odd ones > in my drawer. > > Andy ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 09:38:43 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 12:34:57 -0500 From: "Hanny D. Budnick" <74031.77-AT- compuserve.com> Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Boscastle To: Blind.Copy.Receiver-AT- compuserve.com Message-ID: <200111031238_MC3-E5B3-C04D-AT- compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Way back in the day where socks were woollen and handknit(as were mittens...), my grandmother - sometimes with my help - unravelled single specimen and then created multicolored pairs. Current technologies doesn't permit that though. _-AT- _ {)/' /\ /\_._,<_/ ' \ /_\ /> /< Hanny ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 09:55:46 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 12:49:50 -0500 From: franch-AT- juno.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Socks (was Boscastle) To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011103.124950.-405095.2.franch-AT- juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I made my initial response to the socks issue off-line, as I wasn't sure it was on topic or of interest to the group, but since vox populi declared its interest, and there is a historic angle the following, perhaps it is appropriate: A colleague recently was reading late 18th or early 19th c. correspondence of a traveling Universalist minister and his future wife. It seems the ladies of his home church had knitted him his 52 pairs of socks and he was off on his travels--the implication being that he wore each pair for a week, then discarded the pair (as well he might!). I suggest the next bounce of the conversation be to socks with scandals when dancing. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 10:04:23 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 12:02:05 -0600 From: Paul Stamler Subject: Re: Socks (was Boscastle) To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <002301c16491$a6629a80$612d4b0c-AT- paulstam> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <20011103.124950.-405095.2.franch-AT- juno.com> <> Doc Watson used to tell a story about how he and two of his friends used to go into Sears Roebuck; the first friend would buy 7 pairs of socks, giving him a pair for every day of the week. The second friend would only buy 6 pairs -- they asked him why, and he said "I go barefoot on Sundays." Finally Doc asked for 12 pairs. "Twelve pairs!?" asked his friends. "Why do you want twelve pairs of socks." "Well," replied Doc, "there's January, February...." Peace, Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 11:11:46 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 14:12:26 -0500 From: SUSAN B BOOKER Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: Socks (was Boscastle) To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <004401c1649b$7ab9f400$9e02ffd1-AT- oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Then there was that evening about ten years ago at Berea's Christmas Country Dance School when I realized that there were an exceptional number of colorful-socks-clad feet in the room (the old Woods-Penn gym). So I asked the MC to call everyone with colorful socks up to the front of the room for a photo, which was taken "Hokey-Pokey" huddle style ("you put your right foot in"...) and shot looking down at all those feet. The result was a kaleidoscopic ring of toes-in feet, with a veritable rainbow of socks! It was also interesting to see the variety of dancing shoes - or rather, shoes chosen for dancing... Susan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 12:25:07 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 15:24:55 -0500 (EST) From: OldTimeTim-AT- aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: A soxy dilemma To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <67.1c433544.2915ac97-AT- aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_CymjbzGp8rj9LYpL7bEBWA)" --Boundary_(ID_CymjbzGp8rj9LYpL7bEBWA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 03/11/2001 14:12:18 GMT Standard Time, 74031.77-AT- compuserve.com writes: > > For Alison: > you can solve your soxy dilemma by buying only ONE color of socks...and > Many years ago, when living in digs with a number of other worthy fellows. one of them announced that he was so fed up with socks getting lost in the launderette - resulting in a lack of matching pairs - that he had done just this - and bought ten identical pairs of black socks. The scheme worked fine until he returned to his parents home for Christmas. His Mother was outraged by what he had done - how could he possibly tell which sock belonged to which? So he returned to London with each pair identified by a flash of coloured wool embroidered into the ankle - one pair red, one pair blue, one pair yellow....... Tim Brooks --Boundary_(ID_CymjbzGp8rj9LYpL7bEBWA) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 03/11/2001 14:12:18 GMT Standard Time, 74031.77-AT- compuserve.com writes:

For Alison:
you can solve your soxy dilemma by buying only ONE color of socks...and
then replenish when there's only one specimen left.

Booking opens on Monday 12 December for the

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from Thursday 27 November 11.00 a.m. to after breakfast on Monday 31 December

Callers and Teachers: Colin Hume, Simone Verheyen, Anita Oppedijk and Wil van den Berg

Callers' Workshop on Saturday 29 December

for more details visit the NVS website: www.nvs-dance.nl

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--Boundary_(ID_OUqMbgToyre/6h69zjWlMg)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 11:22:08 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 14:20:58 -0500 From: marthacd-AT- juno.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re:Sing and Dance To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011110.142107.-193221.1.marthacd-AT- juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT How about Pat Shaw's Round Pond which is : Named for ROUND Pond at Pinewoods, done in a ROUND circle (3 cu.), danced as a ROUND (just the B part, I think), To a tune which is a ROUND. Mr. Shaw's Canon is a 3 couple longways dance done to Christchurch Bells and danced as a round. I don't think it was written by Pat Shaw, though. Hanny wrote: .I know three of them in our realm, but are there more of them? I'm talking about musical rounds to which there are dances. The German "O wie wohl ist mir am Abend" has been sung as 'Oh how lovely is the evening' since its introduction in the USA, and the principle of the Kanonwalzer (three concentric circles, the innermost starting, the others following at consecutive entries) suits it well. With slightly adjusted words it is now gaining new popularity as the "Peace Round". There is Pat Shaw's "John Tallis' Canon", instrumental only, and his "Christchurch Bells", which also works with the tune being sung. Does anyone know any other such rounds? _-AT- _ {)/' /\ /\_._,<_/ ' \ /_\ /> /< Hanny Martha Martha Davey 25-14 37 ST, Astoria, NY 11103 (718)278-4389 Call before sending a fax. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 19:42:08 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 22:41:58 -0500 (EST) From: DavBarnert-AT- aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Sing and dance To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU CC: 74031.77-AT- compuserve.com Message-ID: <12e.760d1ae.291f4d86-AT- aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hanny asked: I know three of them in our realm, but are there more of them? I'm talking about musical rounds to which there are dances ... "O wie wohl ist mir am Abend" ... Pat Shaw's "John Tallis' Canon", instrumental only ... "Christchurch Bells" ... Does anyone know any other such rounds? Another Pat Shaw instrumental: Round Pond is a round in several senses. The B music is a round for the instruments, the dance figure of the B section is canonic, and the dance is done in the form of a round (ring). ______ /\/\/\/\ <______> | | | | | David Barnert <______> | | | | | <______> | | | | | Albany, N.Y. <______> \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 02:56:27 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 09:51:51 +0100 From: M Sheffield Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Round Pond To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20011111095151.007c83b0-AT- pop.wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I learnt and enjoyed Round Pond in GBlast summer and wrote it down -- or thought I did ! Now I can't seem to fir it into the right number of bars. Could anyone enlighten me with a crib so that I can pass the dance on correctly to our local members? Thanks in advance, Martin, in Grenoble, France. http://perso.wanadoo.fr/scots.in.france/scd.htm (dance groups, events, some new dances ...) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 03:44:00 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 11:48:34 +0000 From: francis2 Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Round Pond To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <001101c16aa6$cbb5f6e0$7b363c3e-AT- oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <3.0.5.32.20011111095151.007c83b0-AT- pop.wanadoo.fr> ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Sheffield" To: Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 8:51 AM Subject: Round Pond > > I learnt and enjoyed Round Pond in GBlast summer and wrote it down -- or > thought I did ! Now I can't seem to fir it into the right number of bars. > Could anyone enlighten me with a crib so that I can pass the dance on > correctly to our local members? > > Thanks in advance, > Martin, > in Grenoble, France. > > http://perso.wanadoo.fr/scots.in.france/scd.htm > (dance groups, events, some new dances ...) > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 03:45:30 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 11:49:57 +0000 From: francis2 Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Round Pond To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <001601c16aa6$fe8db620$7b363c3e-AT- oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <3.0.5.32.20011111095151.007c83b0-AT- pop.wanadoo.fr> If the music is right the turns and lead through and cast all follow without any pause, Hope this helps. Francis2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Sheffield" To: Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 8:51 AM Subject: Round Pond > > I learnt and enjoyed Round Pond in GBlast summer and wrote it down -- or > thought I did ! Now I can't seem to fir it into the right number of bars. > Could anyone enlighten me with a crib so that I can pass the dance on > correctly to our local members? > > Thanks in advance, > Martin, > in Grenoble, France. > > http://perso.wanadoo.fr/scots.in.france/scd.htm > (dance groups, events, some new dances ...) > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 05:49:17 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 08:45:49 -0500 From: "Hanny D. Budnick" <74031.77-AT- compuserve.com> Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re:Sing and Dance To: Blind.Copy.Receiver-AT- compuserve.com Message-ID: <200111110848_MC3-E69C-2144-AT- compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Thanks, Martha - I'll have to look at Round Pond again. Since MR. Shaw's Canon is in Pat's book, I'm assuming the choreography is his. Any others? _-AT- _ {)/' /\ /\_._,<_/ ' \ /_\ /> /< Hanny ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 06:04:59 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 14:09:29 +0000 From: francis2 Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Re:Sing and Dance To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <000801c16aba$7cec3240$e9453c3e-AT- oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <200111110848_MC3-E69C-2144-AT- compuserve.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hanny D. Budnick" <74031.77-AT- compuserve.com> To: Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 1:45 PM Subject: Re:Sing and Dance > Thanks, Martha - > I'll have to look at Round Pond again. Since MR. Shaw's Canon is in Pat's > book, I'm assuming the choreography is his. Any others? > > _-AT- _ {)/' > /\ /\_._,<_/ > ' \ /_\ > /> /< Hanny > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 08:42:42 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 11:39:23 -0500 From: Colin Hume <100116.165-AT- compuserve.com> Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Dance to Colin Hume To: ECD Mailing List Message-ID: <200111111142_MC3-E694-B796-AT- compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Just to compete with announcements of dances in the States, I thought I'd mention two of mine in England! If you haven't yet heard Jug of Punch, try and make the Christmas dance at Cecil Sharp House on December 15th. They wowed the crowds at Sidmouth this year and last with their music - exciting, lively, beautiful, funky, glorious as required, and all eminently danceable! The three-piece band will be driving up from Devon to play for the dance, and I recommend you to be there too; it's their first booking in London. ---------------------------------- New Year's Eve Dance: Colin Hume and Saraband Free Church Hall, corner of Gernon Road and Norton Way South, Letchworth, 8pm - 1am. Denise Bearon, Norman Bearon & John Kelly are Saraband. They play for English and American Folk Dancing, old and new, on accordion, fiddle and guitar. Given half a chance they will also use recorders, renaissance flute, curtal, crumhorns and piano (but not all at once). They went down very well at Southam Festival for the last two years, and they have played for weekends with Charles Bolton and Penny Lunn. They are all active on the dance scene too, including North West Morris, clog stepping, sword dancing, ceilidhs, social dance - but that's another story. Colin Hume will present an evening of good dancing (American, Playford, Traditional, etc.) for those who want to enjoy themselves and be challenged occasionally too. Tickets at 8 pounds each are available from Renata Hume, 10 Cross Street, Letchworth, Herts. Please enclose SAE. If you turn up at the door you may be disappointed; ring 01462 678340 to check first, or email 100116.165-AT- CompuServe.Com. No alcohol or smoking on the premises, but an excellent fruit punch will be provided (and tea and coffee, of course). Please bring a plate of food to share. Colin Hume ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 15:27:32 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 15:11:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: List-owner away: Mice, show reasonable discretion To: ecd-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01KAKZFP6AB89C7D9S-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT ECDers -- I'll be out of town and out of email/internet contact from very early Monday morning (plane leaves at 6:00 am) until quite late on Tuesday the 21st. If something goes wrong while I'm gone, it won't get fixed until I get back. Try not to freak. It's just electrons, anyway. Oh, and the list is likely to be non-operational on Thanksgiving Day from 1:00 - 3:00 pm PST, since we'll be doing some system work and shutting the cluster down. Any mail you send the list in that time will be held at the mail gateway and distributed to the list when the cluster is up again. (For the curious: Deborah and I are off to New Orleans to board the Delta Queen paddleboat for a Mississippi cruise to Memphis and back. No dance or historical recreation connection - just something I've always wanted to do (since reading Mark Twain in my youth) and it's half-price in the off-season. Imagine my shock when I learned Friday that the company is bankrupt, and my relief when I learned that they're in Chapter 11 and that while they've shut down all their other boats, the Delta Queen continues to ply the majestic muddy waters of the Southland. [Sorry, got a little carried away there.] While there's supposed to be dancing on board, it appears not to be country dancing.) Anyway, try to behave yourselves in my absence, or at least as well as you do in my presence. Best, and happy (US) Thanksgiving to those who celebrate it - although it won't bother me if even those who don't celebrate it (as I guess I won't be, since I'll be doing system work during the only shutdown time available before Christmas break) have a good day anyway. -- Alan =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 23:45:15 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 23:45:08 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: List-owner away: Mice, show reasonable discretion To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011112074508.31023.qmail-AT- web20008.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --- Alan Winston wrote: > I'll be out of town and out of email/internet contact from > very early Monday morning (plane leaves at 6:00 am) until quite > late on Tuesday the 21st... > > (For the curious: Deborah and I are off to New Orleans to > board the Delta Queen paddleboat for a Mississippi cruise to > Memphis and back. Have a great trip, Alan. It sounds like a lot of fun even if there isn't any contry dancing (at least of the English variety.) Your presence was missed at the Portland Ball last night. It was great to see all on the list who _were_ there and I hope you have all made a safe return trip. Andy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 00:09:06 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 02:08:56 -0600 From: Roger Diggle Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: mac users - new music device To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011112080857.RNBS29403.chruser-AT- [216.170.168.99]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Mary Beth Goodman wrote: >Hope this won't seem like shameless promotion (I DO work in an Apple >retail store....) but I wanted to put a good word in for the new iPod >as a possible solution for people needing to transport music to dance >gigs or for personal pleasure. This pocket-sized device is basically >a 5 Gig firewire hard drive that is set up to act as an mp3 player >but can also act as a plain drive. You convert your music to mp3 >format, plug the ipod into your mac and it synchs the ipod to what's >on your drive. You can roll through various menus sorted by title, >artist, album etc. Solid 10 hour battery life. Recharges through the >firewire connection. Unfortunately, it appears that at least some of the music companies have other ideas. There's an anti-ripping technology that's being tested in Europe, and similar technology has been used in a few US releases as well. It's not encryption, but an actual purposeful corruption of the data on the CD that is "cleaned up" by the cd players' error correction protocol. A computer's CD ROM drive simply identifies it as corruption, declares that the disc is unreadable, and quits. It appears that the music industry is doing a marketplace experiment by releasing the corrupted CDs without comment or warning. They're apparently trying to see if anyone notices that the quality isn't up to the usual because of the tinkering. People notice, though, when the CDs can't be played on a computer -- something we've come to take for granted. Lawsuits are pending. The upshot of all this... in another year we may not be able to rip new CDs and move the data onto those spiffy little hard disks. Who knows how long it will take the hackers to come up with methods to crack the noise, which may have to be done at the driver level. On second look, they already have... http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/22041.html http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/21610.html http://www.cdmediaworld.com/hardware/cdrom/cd_protections_cactus_data_shiel d.shtml http://www.studio-sound.com/archive/may00/comm_eur.html http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/20947.html http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/20766.html http://music.cnet.com/music/0-1652424-8-6838296-2.html Roger Diggle ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 07:08:38 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 15:07:47 +0000 From: Alan Corkett Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Dances in England To: EngCountryDance CC: office-AT- cdss.org, Office Halsway Message-ID: <007401c16b8b$dec408e0$8e06893e-AT- default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT At the Halsway Manor Folk Music, Dance and Song Center (woops Centre!) we have events every week. Some of them are rather special and it is wise to book ahead to avoid disappointment. May I highlight a few for you;- New Year's House Party 30 Dec - 2nd Jan 2002 -Somerset Wassail Weekend 4-6 January 2002, with 12th Night Extension with Bonny Sartin of the Yetties. -Burns Night & Scottish Weekend 18-20 January 2002 -Folk Camps Special (Winter Warmer) 25-27 January 2002 -Young Musicians 8-10 February 2002 -Andrew Shaw 15-17 February 2002 28th March - 1 April Diana Campbell Jewitt's Teachers/Leaders training course 5-7 April Contra Extravaganza with John Meechen & Alterations (but hurry!) 8-12 April Dr David Kettlewell's Musical Houseparty; specially from Sweden though he's English!) 12-14 April Devon Playford 10-12 West Sussex Playford 14-16 June Colin Hume w/e ... or just have a look at the www.halswaymanor.co.uk calendar! or contact office-AT- halswaymanor.co.uk for further details. Alan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:08:07 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 20:06:22 +0000 From: Paul Sartin Subject: Re: Dances in England To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <3BF02BBE.9A03DB79-AT- attglobal.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <007401c16b8b$dec408e0$8e06893e-AT- default> Alan Corkett wrote: > At the Halsway Manor Folk Music, Dance and Song Center (woops Centre!) we > have events every week. Some of them are rather special and it is wise to > book ahead to avoid disappointment. May I highlight a few for you;- > > Andrew Shaw 15-17 February 2002 With Belshazzar's Feast! Paul. ___________________________ Paul Sartin MA (Oxon) LRSM May Cottage, Wherwell, Hampshire, SP11 7JS Tel/fax: +44 (0) 1264 860791 Mobile: +44 (0) 7711 485798 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 09:45:44 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 12:51:00 -0500 From: Graham.Christian-AT- risk.sungard.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: So, what *was* that news? To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT As some of you know all too well, I am a great believer in meaning and context for English Country Dances--they come from somewhere--contemporary politics, hit songs, famous faces, etc. But I have been flummoxed by "News from Tripoly [sic]," at least thus far. "News from Tripoly" appeared in 1701, so if it had reference to contemporary politics, it stands to reason that the event might have happened at almost any point from 1695 to 1700. But I could not discover anything that seemed very likely. Tripoly was an Ottoman possession; had been so for some time; remained so for some time. Next I thought it might refer to a coffeehouse: the Tripoly? I checked the classic and exhaustive reference work on London's coffeehouses from their earliest appearance to 1800 or so. No luck. Plenty of "Turk's Head" coffeehouses: no "Tripoly." So, perhaps a play? I don't *remember* seeing any reference to a play of this title in the period. An obscure play? a lost play? I note that Tripoly is spelt thus in the second part of *Tamburlaine* (where we also get a King of Argier, vide "Argiers" of 1651?). Was there a revival of Marlowe's blood-and-thunder play in the 1690s? Possible; tho' George Geckle calls the Yale production of 1919 the first since 1595. Any thoughts? Graham Christian Technical Writer, Product Management SunGard Trading and Risk Systems 88 Broad Street, Boston, MA 02110 Telephone number: (617)542-2800, extension 648 Email address: graham.christian-AT- risk.sungard.com Group web address: http://www.risk.sungard.com "There has never been a good war, or a bad peace." --B. Franklin ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. ********************************************************************** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 11:59:41 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 20:06:47 +0000 From: Graham Knight Subject: Re: Familiar word To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <3BF17D57.2B67-AT- gcknight.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <20011109.134207.-173849.3.solweber-AT- juno.com> Not an unfamiliar word this side of the Pond. What was it Churchill said ....... Graham Knight ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 12:23:58 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 15:23:47 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Arnold Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: So, what *was* that news? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Tue, 13 Nov 2001 Graham.Christian-AT- risk.sungard.com wrote: > "News from Tripoly" appeared in 1701, so if it had reference to > contemporary politics, it stands to reason that the event might have > happened at almost any point from 1695 to 1700. But I could not discover > anything that seemed very likely. Tripoly was an Ottoman possession; had > been so for some time; remained so for some time. Insofar as the governments that existed in and around Tripoli around that time used piracy as a major form of income, and one aspect of it was the capture and subsequent ransom of Christians, it is not hard to imagine that the news might have been in the form of the delivery of a demand for ransom, or possibly of the release of a prisoner in exchange for payment of ransom. (Encyclopedia Britannica online contributed to the historical aspects of this comment.) Or perhaps (and this is entirely my conjecture) this had become a sufficiently common occurrence to take on a more generalized meaning, i.e. "News from Tripoly" might have come to refer figuratively to any significant gaining of advantage in any conflict or perhaps even in social situations involving jockying for power or position. Seems at least as likely as a coffeehouse or a dramatic connection to me... Eric ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 12:53:22 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 16:03:44 -0500 From: Graham.Christian-AT- risk.sungard.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Piracy noted. To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Eric Arnold wrote: "Insofar as the governments that existed in and around Tripoli around that time used piracy as a major form of income, and one aspect of it was the capture and subsequent ransom of Christians, it is not hard to imagine that the news might have been in the form of the delivery of a demand for ransom, or possibly of the release of a prisoner in exchange for payment of ransom. (Encyclopedia Britannica online contributed to the historical aspects of this comment.) Or perhaps (and this is entirely my conjecture) this had become a sufficiently common occurrence to take on a more generalized meaning, i.e. "News from Tripoly" might have come to refer figuratively to any significant gaining of advantage in any conflict or perhaps even in social situations involving jockying for power or position." I am aware of the occurrences of piracy in the region. It had also occurred to me that NFT might be a popular catchphrase--hence my search among coffeehouses. The OED and the other dictionaries I have consulted, however, do not support the catch-phrase idea, and the OED is generally good about that sort of thing. I think I was hoping for something a little more chapter-and-verse. By "more chapter-and-verse," I mean, e.g., "Sion House." "Well Hall." "Sadler's Wells." Recognizable places with known addresses; *why* they have dances of their own is always a matter for speculation--but we have at least a starting point. Or, for that matter, "Love for Love, as 'tis danced in the play." Well, there *was* a play of that name; a famous and successful play by Congreve. It opened in 1695. Which is when the dance first appeared in a Playford publication. Well, there's a pretty good chance that we have a match, and an explanation. We can't be *absolutely certain*; I missed that premiere somehow, so I couldn't tell you if the players did the same figures we do now in the assembly rooms. But we can be *fairly* confident. So--not to be ungracious to Mr. Arnold--I am hoping that one of us would be able to say, Why yes, 1700 was the year Sir Cassius Earbrass returned from Tripoly with the famous Black Emerald... Or some such thing... Thank you all again. Graham Christian Technical Writer, Product Management SunGard Trading and Risk Systems 88 Broad Street, Boston, MA 02110 Telephone number: (617)542-2800, extension 648 Email address: graham.christian-AT- risk.sungard.com Group web address: http://www.risk.sungard.com "There has never been a good war, or a bad peace." --B. Franklin ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. 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Will Linden wlinden-AT- panix.com http://www.ecben.net/ Magic Code: MAS/GD S++ W++ N+ PWM++ Ds/r+ A-> a++ C+ G- QO++ 666 Y ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 13:01:45 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 16:01:36 -0500 (EST) From: Will Linden Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Piracy noted. To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Along the same lines.... who baffled Orelans? From the time period, it seems most likely to be Orleans the Regent... (and considering his habits, it might have been a woman.) Will Linden wlinden-AT- panix.com http://www.ecben.net/ Magic Code: MAS/GD S++ W++ N+ PWM++ Ds/r+ A-> a++ C+ G- QO++ 666 Y ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 13:11:10 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 16:10:58 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Arnold Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Piracy noted. To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Will Linden wrote: > Along the same lines.... who baffled Orelans? > > From the time period, it seems most likely to be Orleans the Regent... > (and considering his habits, it might have been a woman.) If I remember the date of Orleans Baffled correctly (sometime around the beginning of the 18th C?), might it not possibly have been the Duke of Marlborough? Who as I recall, was running around the continent a bit around then, confounding the French on a number of occasions -- I recall that he (if I have the right person) had a series of four or so major victories, perhaps spread out over a few years, with perhaps more than one commemorated with a dance; "Audenard Battle" I believe is one of them. Eric ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 22:42:25 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 00:39:40 -0600 From: Paul Stamler Subject: Fw: familiar word / Portland Ball To: ecd list Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <001d01c16cd7$2386f4a0$8e2b4b0c-AT- paulstam> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi folks: Laurie asked me to forward this to the list -- the server *would* lose her name when Alan's gone! Peace, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: Laurie Buchanan To: Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 12:32 AM Subject: Re: familiar word / Portland Ball Hi Paul, I've been trying to send this to the list since Sunday, but it keeps bouncing - I can't make the bot believe I am a subscriber. If you care to pass this on to the list, I'd be grateful and will virtually sing another chorus of mud... Thanks, Laurie Paul wrote: >"Some of the older debenture holders are apt to get shirty -- > Forty-thirty" > > - "Tried by the Centre Court" (Michael Flanders) > >His other famous monologue from "At the Drop of A Hat" is, of course, on the >subject of that eternally famous tune (and basis for dance), "Greenfleeves". >(See, I found a way to make it ECD-relevant.) Ahhh, Flanders and Swann. Shall I hold my breath while you seek the ECD relevance of "Mud, Mud, Glorious Mud" and "Eating People is Wrong"? A couple of my favorites. ECD CONTENT: Just home from the Portland Ball, where the always entertaining stylings of KGB, playing with CIA (Cello In Action, aka Fred Nussbaum), as well as the teaching/prompting of the always delightful Nan Evans, kept a large number of suspicious characters out of trouble for many joyful hours. Some of those "usual suspects" included familiar faces from this list: S & D Green, S McKinley, N Nevertheless, L Ahern and others more often seen in the area. Your dutiful correspondent, Laurie in Eugene ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:18:46 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:18:27 -0500 (EST) From: Tideswell-AT- aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Piracy Noted To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <120.711b858.292439a3-AT- aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Graham said: >I think I was hoping for something a little more chapter-and-verse. By >"more chapter-and-verse," I mean, e.g., "Sion House." "Well Hall." >"Sadler's Wells." Recognizable places with known addresses; *why* they >have >dances of their own is always a matter for speculation--but we have at >least a starting point. Or, for that matter, "Love for Love, as 'tis danced >in the play." Well, there *was* a play of that name; a famous and >successful play by Congreve. It opened in 1695. Which is when the dance >first appeared in a Playford publication. Well, there's a pretty good >chance that we have a match, and an explanation. We can't be *absolutely >certain*; I missed that premiere somehow, so I couldn't tell you if the >players did the same figures we do now in the assembly rooms. But we can >be >*fairly* confident. > >So--not to be ungracious to Mr. Arnold--I am hoping that one of us would >be >able to say, Why yes, 1700 was the year Sir Cassius Earbrass returned from >Tripoly with the famous Black Emerald... > >Or some such thing... It seems to me that I recall (although I can't quote you chapter *or* verse, or even cite a source, since my pirate books are all packed away) that it was around then that the noted pirate Roberts was captured in or around that part of the world. Nothing concrete, but will that serve as a lead? Nilos ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:28:09 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:27:59 -0500 (EST) From: "Susan R. Lorand" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Piracy Noted To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 Tideswell-AT- aol.com wrote: > It seems to me that I recall (although I can't quote you chapter *or* verse, > or even cite a source, since my pirate books are all packed away) that it was > around then that the noted pirate Roberts was captured in or around that part > of the world. any relation to the "dread pirate Roberts"? > Nothing concrete, but will that serve as a lead? > > Nilos susie who can't come up with any way to connect "The Princess Bride" to ECD... ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 14:26:11 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 17:26:01 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Arnold Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Piracy Noted To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 Tideswell-AT- aol.com wrote: > It seems to me that I recall (although I can't quote you chapter *or* verse, > or even cite a source, since my pirate books are all packed away) that it was > around then that the noted pirate Roberts was captured in or around that part > of the world. > > Nothing concrete, but will that serve as a lead? It appears that Roberts didn't turn to piracy until about 1719, so that would make it too late to explain "News from Tripoly." Eric (who didn't know anything about pirates before) Arnold ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 14:33:19 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 17:43:50 -0500 From: Graham.Christian-AT- risk.sungard.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: OK, so maybe it wasn't the Dread Pirate Roberts... To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT However: I note that there is a Tripoli in Jamaica--which is a rather stronger connection to England in this period than the Ottoman empire. I'll keep after the pirate possibilities, which seem promising. Watson, fetch me my deerstalker! Graham Christian Technical Writer, Product Management SunGard Trading and Risk Systems 88 Broad Street, Boston, MA 02110 Telephone number: (617)542-2800, extension 648 Email address: graham.christian-AT- risk.sungard.com Group web address: http://www.risk.sungard.com "There has never been a good war, or a bad peace." --B. Franklin ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. ********************************************************************** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 15:37:45 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 18:37:32 -0500 (EST) From: SallenNic-AT- aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Piracy noted To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 14/11/01 3:01:16 pm, Eric Arnold writes: >the Duke of >Marlborough? Who as I recall, was running around the continent a bit >around then, confounding the French on a number of occasions -- I recall >that he (if I have the right person) had a series of four or so major >victories, perhaps spread out over a few years, with perhaps more than >one >commemorated with a dance; "Audenard Battle" I believe is one of them. I remember learning Marlborough's four great victories by the acronym (although that particular epithet would not have been applied then!) "BROM" - Blenheim, Ramillies, Oudenard and Malplaquet. Nicolas B., Lanark, Scotland. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:16:35 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 19:03:35 -0500 From: franch-AT- juno.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Piracy Noted To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU CC: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011114.191126.-404967.2.franch-AT- juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Your pirate books? Are these "about" or "how to"? On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:18:27 -0500 (EST) Tideswell-AT- aol.com writes: . . . since my pirate books are all packed away) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:17:24 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 19:08:22 -0500 From: franch-AT- juno.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: OK, so maybe it wasn't the Dread Pirate Roberts... To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU CC: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011114.191126.-404967.3.franch-AT- juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Which is an un-Canonical reference, since that type of headgear is never mentioned, at least in association with Holmes, by the Author. (An E, if not ECD, reference.) On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 17:43:50 -0500 Graham.Christian-AT- risk.sungard.com writes: > Watson, fetch me my deerstalker! ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 20:39:07 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 23:37:15 -0500 From: Sharon Green Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Piracy noted To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <4.1.20011114233353.019001c0-AT- popserver.panix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT At 06:37 PM 11/14/01 -0500, Nic wrote: >I remember learning Marlborough's four great victories by the acronym >(although that particular epithet would not have been applied then!) "BROM" - >Blenheim, Ramillies, Oudenard and Malplaquet. Hello Nic! We have the dances Blenheim House [and Blenheim House Revisited, courtesy of Robert Moir], Ramillies Rout, and Audenard Battle. Any dances for Malplaquet? Cheers, Sharon Green ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 20:46:28 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 23:46:55 -0500 From: SUSAN B BOOKER Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: "The Princess Bride" and Playford connection ( nothing to do with pirates and/or Tripoli) To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <002c01c16d90$8dfef8a0$0f02ffd1-AT- oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT This one's easy! The banner-bedecked "castle" seen in "The PB" is really Haddon Hall...home of the duke(s) of Rutland. The alternate name of "The Collier's Daughter" is "The Duke of Rutland's Delight"...ergo, connection. What was that business about five degrees of separation? It seems to apply in the ECD world as well... but as in this case, about three degrees get us there. You can also see the Great Hall at Haddon on the cover of the first, eponymous, Christmas Revels album...a gorgeous room (the print that was used for the cover is entitled "Old Christmas at Haddon Hall", I believe). And dramatically if less romantically, Haddon Hall's kitchens (and truly enormous ovens) are featured as those of the cannibal giants in the film adaptation of C.S. Lewis's "The Silver Chair". Susan, fondly remembering all those wonderful roses in the gardens of Haddon Hall... ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 21:11:57 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 00:09:55 -0500 From: Stu Shapiro Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Rudy Giuliani, The Dance To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <006801c16d93$fcb00a20$3a55c0d8-AT- stushapiro> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT An article in Stepnotes, the Country Dance * New York publication, listed the results of voting for dances we did at the annual Gotham Assembly dance. "Rudy Giuliani" received 1 write-in vote. I don't think there is such a dance, so I decided to write one. Rudy Giuliani by Stu Shapiro Formation: duple improper(of course) longways A1 All two-hand turn with partner once around A2 All swing neighbor as many full turns as desired A3 Draw pousette with neighbor, men going backwards three places Note that the men divest themselves of their partners, who move back and forth across the set. At the end of the set, a couple may join another set to reduce the possibility of getting one's original partner back. Stu Shapiro, who has just written his first, and possibly only, English dance. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 01:34:41 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 10:38:40 +0100 From: Philippe Callens Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: address To: ECD discussion list Message-ID: <3BF38D20.4E502C5-AT- uia.ua.ac.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT For those who care to know, here's my new address where I will live from 25 November on: De Merodelei 41/4 2600 Antwerpen Belgium phone (also fax) will remain the same, so: +32 3 2160432 Philippe Callens ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 04:08:30 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 13:12:29 +0100 From: Philippe Callens Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Piracy noted To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3BF3B12D.F4949031-AT- uia.ua.ac.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <4.1.20011114233353.019001c0-AT- popserver.panix.com> Add to that list "Lille" and "Burgundy's Flight" - two more references to the War of the Spanish succession in which Marlborough played such an important role. They are both in the Walsh annual for 1710 (Kynaston) and are two of my favourite dances and tunes. There is also "Drive the Monsieur from Flanders" ... (and that is not me!). Sharon, as long as we don't find a Malplaquet dance, I invite you to dance The Belgian Waltz ... Philippe Callens Antwerp, Belgium Sharon Green wrote: > At 06:37 PM 11/14/01 -0500, Nic wrote: > >I remember learning Marlborough's four great victories by the acronym > >(although that particular epithet would not have been applied then!) "BROM" - > >Blenheim, Ramillies, Oudenard and Malplaquet. > > Hello Nic! > We have the dances Blenheim House [and Blenheim House Revisited, courtesy > of Robert Moir], Ramillies Rout, and Audenard Battle. Any dances for > Malplaquet? > Cheers, > Sharon Green ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 04:49:21 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 07:47:29 -0500 From: Sharon Green Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Piracy noted To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <4.1.20011115074205.01946140-AT- popserver.panix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <4.1.20011114233353.019001c0-AT- popserver.panix.com> At 01:12 PM 11/15/01 +0100, Philippe wrote: >Add to that list "Lille" and "Burgundy's Flight" - two more references to >the War >of the Spanish succession in which Marlborough played such an important >role. They >are both in the Walsh annual for 1710 (Kynaston) and are two of my favourite >dances and tunes. > >There is also "Drive the Monsieur from Flanders" ... (and that is not me!). > >Sharon, as long as we don't find a Malplaquet dance, I invite you to dance The >Belgian Waltz ... Sounds as if, in addition to the Marlboro Ale, we need a Duke of Marlborough Ball. Maybe Andy Horton could organize one, and you could come over and call! Hugs, Sharon (mostly joking, but guess who'd apply in a minute if it should happen...) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 08:23:40 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 08:23:32 -0800 (PST) From: Barbara Ruth Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Piracy noted To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011115162332.86393.qmail-AT- web13609.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --- Sharon Green wrote: > Sounds as if, in addition to the Marlboro Ale, we need a Duke of > Marlborough Ball. Maybe Andy Horton could organize one, and you > could come > over and call! > Hugs, > Sharon (mostly joking, but guess who'd apply in a minute if it > should happen...) Me, of course. Who else could you possibly mean? Barbara ===== 2 Click-to-help sites are aiding attack victims, and other good causes, by generating donations at no cost to you. Please visit the Hunger Site http://www.thehungersite.com, and the Care2 site http://rainforest.care2.com. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 08:42:28 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 11:52:54 -0500 From: Graham.Christian-AT- risk.sungard.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: ...non-canonical Holmesiana [not strictly ECD! delete now if you prefer] To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT In that case, get me Basil Rathbone's dresser. Thank you for the correction. Next you're going to tell me that little Georgie didn't cut down any cherry trees, much less lie and repent; and that early humans didn't cross paths with dinosaurs! I am--somewhat tangentially and absurdly--reminded of my long-standing argument with a college friend who insisted that he was descended from Jonathan Harker in *Dracula*. "*No*, dear; you *cannot* be a descendant of a character in a novel. It doesn't work that way." Graham Christian Technical Writer, Product Management SunGard Trading and Risk Systems 88 Broad Street, Boston, MA 02110 Telephone number: (617)542-2800, extension 648 Email address: graham.christian-AT- risk.sungard.com Group web address: http://www.risk.sungard.com "There has never been a good war, or a bad peace." --B. Franklin ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. ********************************************************************** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:31:10 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:20:13 -0500 From: Torbin Zimmerman Subject: 20th Century Quadrilles To: ECD List - Post Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <3BF3F94D.168C74B8-AT- sympatico.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I'm looking for instructions and other documentation on quadrilles dating from circa 1900 to the present. Suggestions? Thanks, Torbin Zimmerman ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 14:35:53 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 17:28:30 -0500 From: Gene Murrow Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: News from Tripoli To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011115.172834.-851815.14.gmurrow-AT- juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT The "News from Tripoli" referred to the definitive decisions made by the distinguished and respected dancing master ancestors of Patrick Shaw (whose family came originally from that area) to settle contentious issues of ECD style and figure that arose in the dance halls, assembly rooms, and private ballrooms around the world during the late 17th and early 18th centuries. This was commemorated, in among other places, by the famous song lyric describing these raging battles (not unlike those on this list) "...from the halls of Montezuma to the Shaws of Tripoli..." Readers may be interested to know of others of Pat's relatives who similarly distinguished themselves: S. Kendrick Shaw ("Skrim") in the field of sea mammal carving techniques and Rick in the field of human-powered transport modalities. Further information on these two can be found in the archives of Berea College Christmas School circa 1970. Gene Murrow, amateur gene-ologist ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Permanent address: - for your Address book ISP of the moment: - "Reply" button destination ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 14:47:08 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 17:46:58 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Arnold Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: News from Tripoli To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Thu, 15 Nov 2001, Gene Murrow wrote: > The "News from Tripoli" referred to the definitive decisions made by the > distinguished and respected dancing master ancestors of Patrick Shaw... is that "Shaw" or "Pshaw"? Eric the Dubious ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 14:59:19 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 17:59:08 -0500 (EST) From: Tideswell-AT- aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Piracy Noted To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT >From: franch-AT- juno.com >Subject: Re: Piracy Noted > >Your pirate books? Are these "about" or "how to"? > >On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:18:27 -0500 (EST) Tideswell-AT- aol.com writes: >. . . since my pirate books are all packed away) Arrr, iffen ye kin read th' manual, me bucko, yer no true pirate! ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 15:34:11 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 18:37:56 -0800 From: etepper-AT- juno.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Piracy Noted To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011115.183756.-271985.0.etepper-AT- juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Recent research has revealed that the sisters of William Penn's father were in the bakery business in colonial Philadelphia. When they unexpectedly raised their prices, much was written and later sung about the Pie Rates of Penn's Aunts. With sincere apologies, Ellen Tepper ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 15:42:36 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 15:42:29 -0800 (PST) From: Barbara Ruth Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: News from Tripoli To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011115234229.90536.qmail-AT- web13605.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Gene, you must have been waiting years for the right opportunity to arise to use that one. B. --- Gene Murrow wrote: > This was commemorated, in among other > places, by > the famous song lyric describing these raging battles (not unlike > those > on this list) "...from the halls of Montezuma to the Shaws of > Tripoli..." ===== 2 Click-to-help sites are aiding attack victims, and other good causes, by generating donations at no cost to you. 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That was WONderful, Ellen!!!! :) -- Cara -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecd-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU [mailto:owner-ecd-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU]On Behalf Of etepper-AT- juno.com Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:38 PM To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Subject: Re: Piracy Noted Recent research has revealed that the sisters of William Penn's father were in the bakery business in colonial Philadelphia. When they unexpectedly raised their prices, much was written and later sung about the Pie Rates of Penn's Aunts. With sincere apologies, Ellen Tepper ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 21:38:41 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 23:38:12 -0600 From: Charlene Charette Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: 20th Century Quadrilles To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3BF4A644.9E1D6BCD-AT- flash.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <3BF3F94D.168C74B8-AT- sympatico.ca> Torbin Zimmerman wrote: > > I'm looking for instructions and other documentation on quadrilles > dating from circa 1900 to the present. > > Suggestions? > > Thanks, > > Torbin Zimmerman You might want to browse the copies of period dance manuals at the Library of Congress: http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/dihtml/dihome.html --Charlene -- There are two pips in a beaut, four beauts in a lulu, eight lulus in a doozy, and sixteen doozies in a humdinger. No one knows how many humdingers there are in a lollapalooza. -- George Carlin ===== Free Book Searches (out-of-print, hard-to-find, foreign, used, new) - mailto:findbook-AT- flash.net ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 21:59:02 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 23:56:12 -0600 From: Paul Stamler Subject: Re: News from Tripoli To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <004001c16e63$6698eb80$ae4e4b0c-AT- paulstam> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <20011115.172834.-851815.14.gmurrow-AT- juno.com> <> And the ancestor who was doubtful of everything -- the first to be called Pat in the family, in fact, although he was usually simply referred to by his initial -- Pshaw. Ps, Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 22:01:20 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 23:58:31 -0600 From: Paul Stamler Subject: Re: Piracy Noted To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <005f01c16e63$b8c63660$ae4e4b0c-AT- paulstam> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <20011115.183756.-271985.0.etepper-AT- juno.com> <> Argghhh. They were probably related to the guys who were selling pirate corn, a buck an ear. No apologies at all, Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 06:37:03 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 06:36:55 -0800 (PST) From: Barbara Ruth Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Boston Globe mention (no socks, no pirates, no puns) To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011116143655.36906.qmail-AT- web13606.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Any other gastrophiliac "Boston Globe"-readers out there catch the reference in Wednesday's food section on the Maine-dwelling, food historian Sandra Oliver who "...met her husband at an English country dance 22 years ago." Anyone here know her? B. ===== 2 Click-to-help sites are aiding attack victims, and other good causes, by generating donations at no cost to you. Please visit the Hunger Site http://www.thehungersite.com, and the Care2 site http://rainforest.care2.com. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 07:21:17 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:20:42 -0500 From: "Emily L. Ferguson" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Christine and Jack To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <20011115.183756.-271985.0.etepper-AT- juno.com> <005f01c16e63$b8c63660$ae4e4b0c-AT- paulstam> Anybody able to report on the general state of health and heartiness of Christine Helwig and Jack Shimer? I think of them often and never get to doing anything about it, and just received my CDS news telling me that Jean Sannella had died last August. Nobody mentioned it on the list and nobody thought to tell me personally so I missed an important milestone in our dance world. Feeling disconnected here. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 08:05:10 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 08:04:27 -0800 From: Jon Berger Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Dutch Foursome To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3BF5390B.3F5A82C6-AT- sbcglobal.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <20011115.183756.-271985.0.etepper-AT- juno.com> <005f01c16e63$b8c63660$ae4e4b0c-AT- paulstam> Has anyone ever heard of a dance called "Dutch Foursome"? A member of our local dance community has requested it repeatedly -- apparently it was a favorite from years gone by -- but nobody seems to have been able to find it in any of the standard references. Does the name ring a bell for anyone? -- Jon Berger Business: jon-AT- perforce.com Personal: jberger-AT- sbcglobal.net <--- Note new email address! ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 08:23:52 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 08:23:43 -0800 (PST) From: Barbara Ruth Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Christine To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011116162343.91963.qmail-AT- web13602.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Christine is alive and well, although somewhat frailer, as might be expected of someone in their eighties. She loves to have visitors, especially from the dance world, so if anyone is passing through the New Haven area you might consider making a call. Cards and letters are also a good way to let her know you are thinking of her. Unfortunately I don't think she's quite gotten the hang of email so it's not an option for chatting. Barbara --- "Emily L. Ferguson" wrote: > Anybody able to report on the general state of health and > heartiness > of Christine Helwig and Jack Shimer? I think of them often and > never > get to doing anything about it, and just received my CDS news > telling > me that Jean Sannella had died last August. Nobody mentioned it on > the list and nobody thought to tell me personally so I missed an > important milestone in our dance world. > > Feeling disconnected here. ===== 2 Click-to-help sites are aiding attack victims, and other good causes, by generating donations at no cost to you. Please visit the Hunger Site http://www.thehungersite.com, and the Care2 site http://rainforest.care2.com. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 12:48:02 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:47:22 -0500 (EST) From: susan-AT- generalist.org (Susan) Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: 20th Century Quadrilles To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011116204722.92F7B67C9-AT- generalist.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I second the recommendation for the Library of Congress online dance manual collection. In particular, look for the "Fashionable Quadrille Call Book", which dates from the late 1890's and is stuffed full of quadrilles, including more Lancers variants than any normal human needs. I have a copy of "Arling Shaeffer's Barn Dance", dated 1933, which contains sheet music (with calls) for ten different quadrilles of 3-5 figures each - it makes the connection to modern square dance very obvious! I also have "All-American Square Dances" by Al Muller, dated 1941, which has the "terms used in Quadrilles and Lancers", which it doesn't distinguish from the terms used in Square Dances in general. Susan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:07:37 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:06:04 -0500 (EST) From: Tideswell-AT- aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Piracy Noted To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Paul remarked... ><were in the bakery business in colonial Philadelphia. When they >unexpectedly raised their prices, much was written and later sung about >the Pie Rates of Penn's Aunts.>> > >Argghhh. They were probably related to the guys who were selling pirate >corn, a buck an ear. > >No apologies at all, >Paul Price would, of course, depend on whether it was a public or a private ear. Nilos ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:16:16 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 18:11:35 -0600 From: Mike Mudrey Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: 20th Century Quadrilles To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011116180936.00a35260-AT- mhtc.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT At 03:47 PM 11/16/2001 -0500, you wrote: >I second the recommendation for the Library of Congress online >dance manual collection. In particular, look for the >"Fashionable Quadrille Call Book", which dates from the >late 1890's and is stuffed full of quadrilles, including more >Lancers variants than any normal human needs. > When you check out the Library of Congress, be sure to check the videos. There is a very good reenactment of an 1990s quadrille to Sousa. Also, if you wish to drift a little younger (to about the 1920s, check out Good Morning by Henry Ford (aka Benjamin Lovett). There are many quadrilles in the dance revival from 1924 onwards. Mike Mike Mudrey 106 Ravine Road Mount Horeb, WI53572-1930 608-437-3701 mgmudrey-AT- mhtc.net mike-AT- mudrey.com dance connections for Madison, Wisconsin http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/dances.htm ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 01:07:57 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 20:20:14 +1100 From: Aylwen Subject: Re: 20th Century Quadrilles To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <02b001c16f49$1167de00$3a7f09d2-AT- earthly> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Dear Torbin, I believe that John has some in his book "The Lost Dances of Earthly Delights". Hope you're enjoying reading it! Cheers, Aylwen Garden -----Original Message----- From: Torbin Zimmerman To: ECD List - Post Date: Friday, 16 November 2001 4:32 Subject: 20th Century Quadrilles I'm looking for instructions and other documentation on quadrilles dating from circa 1900 to the present. Suggestions? Thanks, Torbin Zimmerman ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 06:06:47 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 06:06:39 -0800 (PST) From: Lyrl Catherine Ahern Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Piracy Noted To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU, Dennis Ahern Message-ID: <20011117140639.69740.qmail-AT- web13803.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --- etepper-AT- juno.com wrote: Recent research has revealed that the sisters of William Penn's father were in the bakery business in colonial Philadelphia. When they unexpectedly raised their prices, much was written and later sung about the Pie Rates of Penn's Aunts. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 15:31:39 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 14:35:23 -0500 From: Allison M Thompson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: 20th Century Quadrilles To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011117.183113.-1737257.0.AllisonThompson-AT- juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT The the true, 19th century quadrille with 5 figures, each with distinctive music, was pretty well dead by 1900, though in some spots you might find the Lancer's still performed. In some rustic areas people might be dancing a called square dance, which is not, however, the same. Allison On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 23:38:12 -0600 Charlene Charette writes: > Torbin Zimmerman wrote: > > > > I'm looking for instructions and other documentation on quadrilles > > dating from circa 1900 to the present. > > > > Suggestions? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Torbin Zimmerman > > You might want to browse the copies of period dance manuals at the > Library of Congress: > > http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/dihtml/dihome.html > > --Charlene > > -- > There are two pips in a beaut, four beauts in a lulu, eight lulus in > a > doozy, and sixteen doozies in a humdinger. No one knows how many > humdingers there are in a lollapalooza. -- George Carlin > ===== > Free Book Searches (out-of-print, hard-to-find, foreign, used, new) > - > mailto:findbook-AT- flash.net ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 16:16:36 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 19:03:55 -0500 From: Allison M Thompson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: 20th Century Quadrilles To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011117.191652.-1737257.1.AllisonThompson-AT- juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT check out > Good Morning by Henry Ford (aka Benjamin Lovett). There are many > quadrilles in the dance revival from 1924 onwards.> But these were self consciously-re-created dances and the quadrilles that Ford referred to are not the same as the 19th century--another confusing instance of the same word applied to two different (though related) forms of dance. Allison ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 05:00:10 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 08:00:33 -0500 From: SUSAN B BOOKER Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: A Conjectured Astronomical Ball To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <001c01c17031$03582020$a202ffd1-AT- oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I should have posted earlier, but didn't - I hope many of you saw the spectacular Leonids meteor shower early this morning - observatories are reporting upwards of 2,000 per hour at the peak, and I saw over 100 between 5:00 and 6:00 a.m. EST here in clear but not-too-dark Lexington, KY. I'm sure I would have seen many more had I been somewhere with less light pollution... All those shooting stars got me thinking: has anyone ever planned and produced an astonomical Playford ball? A few appropriate dances occurred to me while I was lying on my lounge chair, bundled in an old comforter and sipping hot chocolate while star-gazing, and a check of the Keller-Shimer _Playford Ball_ upon arriving home produced a few more apt dances: To begin the evening: "The Nightcap", of course. To be followed by "The Night Piece" "Greenwich Park" (where the observatory is located) "Once a Night" (well, hopefully more often - for meteor showers, that is!) "Star of the County Down" (and at the break, a morris demo:) "Morningstar". A few more dances here, to be determined by the list... And in conclusion, "Sun Assembly" (at daybreak), and "Sellenger's Round", or, "The Beginning of the World". Further suggestions?? I couldn't find my Barnes book, and I'm short on sleep... but I'm sure there are other apt (or Apted??) selections... Still seeing stars, Susan B. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 08:38:11 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 11:33:19 -0500 From: "Green, David" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: A Conjectured Astronomical Ball To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU, ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <7348C1502B13F344843330794758CFD11D8F9B-AT- mail.GTS.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Another suggestion: Lunar Eclipse (danced at the Seattle Ball some years ago). -- David -----Original Message----- From: SUSAN B BOOKER [mailto:susantiq-AT- prodigy.net] Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 8:01 AM To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Subject: A Conjectured Astronomical Ball I should have posted earlier, but didn't - I hope many of you saw the spectacular Leonids meteor shower early this morning - observatories are reporting upwards of 2,000 per hour at the peak, and I saw over 100 between 5:00 and 6:00 a.m. EST here in clear but not-too-dark Lexington, KY. I'm sure I would have seen many more had I been somewhere with less light pollution... All those shooting stars got me thinking: has anyone ever planned and produced an astonomical Playford ball? A few appropriate dances occurred to me while I was lying on my lounge chair, bundled in an old comforter and sipping hot chocolate while star-gazing, and a check of the Keller-Shimer _Playford Ball_ upon arriving home produced a few more apt dances: To begin the evening: "The Nightcap", of course. To be followed by "The Night Piece" "Greenwich Park" (where the observatory is located) "Once a Night" (well, hopefully more often - for meteor showers, that is!) "Star of the County Down" (and at the break, a morris demo:) "Morningstar". A few more dances here, to be determined by the list... And in conclusion, "Sun Assembly" (at daybreak), and "Sellenger's Round", or, "The Beginning of the World". Further suggestions?? I couldn't find my Barnes book, and I'm short on sleep... but I'm sure there are other apt (or Apted??) selections... Still seeing stars, Susan B. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 08:38:14 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 11:33:19 -0500 From: "Green, David" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: A Conjectured Astronomical Ball To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU, ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <7348C1502B13F344843330794758CFD11D8F9B-AT- mail.GTS.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Another suggestion: Lunar Eclipse (danced at the Seattle Ball some years ago). -- David -----Original Message----- From: SUSAN B BOOKER [mailto:susantiq-AT- prodigy.net] Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 8:01 AM To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Subject: A Conjectured Astronomical Ball I should have posted earlier, but didn't - I hope many of you saw the spectacular Leonids meteor shower early this morning - observatories are reporting upwards of 2,000 per hour at the peak, and I saw over 100 between 5:00 and 6:00 a.m. EST here in clear but not-too-dark Lexington, KY. I'm sure I would have seen many more had I been somewhere with less light pollution... All those shooting stars got me thinking: has anyone ever planned and produced an astonomical Playford ball? A few appropriate dances occurred to me while I was lying on my lounge chair, bundled in an old comforter and sipping hot chocolate while star-gazing, and a check of the Keller-Shimer _Playford Ball_ upon arriving home produced a few more apt dances: To begin the evening: "The Nightcap", of course. To be followed by "The Night Piece" "Greenwich Park" (where the observatory is located) "Once a Night" (well, hopefully more often - for meteor showers, that is!) "Star of the County Down" (and at the break, a morris demo:) "Morningstar". A few more dances here, to be determined by the list... And in conclusion, "Sun Assembly" (at daybreak), and "Sellenger's Round", or, "The Beginning of the World". Further suggestions?? I couldn't find my Barnes book, and I'm short on sleep... but I'm sure there are other apt (or Apted??) selections... Still seeing stars, Susan B. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 09:21:56 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 17:24:51 +0000 From: Ann Higley Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: A Conjectured Astronomical Ball To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <003201c17056$03be8340$7a2d893e-AT- annhigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <001c01c17031$03582020$a202ffd1-AT- oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "SUSAN B BOOKER" > > All those shooting stars got me thinking: has anyone ever planned and > produced an astonomical Playford ball > Further suggestions?? > Susan B. > > ....How about 'Mars and Venus', 'The Maid in the Moon' or if modern dances are allowed, 'The Astronomer' by Colin Hume? Ann Higley > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 09:43:01 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 17:38:58 +0000 From: Trevor Monson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: 20th Century Quadrilles To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <001e01c17058$79cb8ae0$9a9801d4-AT- trevormo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <20011117.183113.-1737257.0.AllisonThompson-AT- juno.com> So where do the Irish Sets (Sets of Quadrilles) fit into the equation please? There are quite a few sets called the nnnnn lancers - 2 that we often dance being the Clare Lancers and the Tipperary Lancers, both having 5 figures. Trev > The the true, 19th century quadrille with 5 figures, each with > distinctive music, was pretty well dead by 1900, though in some spots you > might find the Lancer's still performed. In some rustic areas people > might be dancing a called square dance, which is not, however, the same. > > Allison _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free -AT- yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 13:35:48 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 16:35:07 -0500 From: PeterVermilya Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Boston Globe mention (no socks, no pirates, no puns) To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT >Any other gastrophiliac "Boston Globe"-readers out there catch the >reference in Wednesday's food section on the Maine-dwelling, food >historian Sandra Oliver who "...met her husband at an English country >dance 22 years ago." > >Anyone here know her? Barbara, Yes, Peter & I know both Sandy and her husband Jamie MacPherson. Before heading for colder climes, Sandy worked at Mystic Seaport Museum as Head of Interpretation (the department that preps all the people who tell about life in a seaside town in the 19th century). Her book Saltwater Foodways is a best selling, award winning, compendium of history and recipes. Sandy and Jamie sponsor a gala summertime dance in Isleboro, ME. Peter and I, who met at a contra dance in New Haven 17 years ago, danced with Sandy and Jamie at the contra dance in Stonington, a series which they, with Peter and two others founded in the 1980's. Sandy is responsible for first "dragging" Peter to English country dances led by Peter Liebert in Westerly, RI. The rest is history. Best to all, Peggy and Peter Vermilya ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 14:05:21 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 17:05:02 -0500 (EST) From: JBGrun-AT- aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: A Conjectured Astronomical Ball To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 11/18/01 8:01:09 AM, susantiq-AT- prodigy.net writes: << A few appropriate dances occurred to me while I was lying on my lounge chair, bundled in an old comforter and sipping hot chocolate while star-gazing, >> Susan, great minds must think alike: I, also, had hot chocolate while lying (what's the opp of prone?). I had returned to my home upstate a mere 3 and a half hours earlier after the wonderful tea & dance party in celebration of Fried's 75th birthday in Mamaroneck NY, so it is appropriate to list her dances, "7 for the Seven Stars in the Sky" and "9 for the Nine Bright Shiners." Judy Grunberg ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 16:40:16 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 19:40:39 -0500 From: SUSAN B BOOKER Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: A Conjectured Astronomical Ball To: ecd-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <002301c17092$d05d5c00$aa02ffd1-AT- oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT These suggestions are great, Allison and Judy! BTW, the titles of Fried's dances are from a variant of "Come Let Us Sing", a call-and-response cumulative counting song found in the little booklet of the same name. This version was originally collected by Marie Marvel at Watts Fork, Knott County, Ky, according to the booklet's notes. But "nine" is "Nine for the moonlight shining bright", and "seven" is "Seven for the seven stars in the north", both lines which also work with this astronomical theme. Some of the earlier lyrics are quite mysterious, with Biblical references that are assuredly stated but not quite clear, lending this old song a magical aura. Most appropriate for dances inspired by a sky full of (shooting) stars! Susan Booker, who _may_ be related to 17th century English astrologer/astronomer [same thing back then] John Booker, who had songs written about him, too... (for those who missed the big show, there is a consolation encore early Monday morning in the US - forecast is for about 35 belated Leonids per hour) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 18:04:49 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 20:04:19 -0600 From: Mike Mudrey Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: 20th Century Quadrilles To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011118195214.00a40580-AT- mhtc.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <20011117.183113.-1737257.0.AllisonThompson-AT- juno.com> Trev...the fit is the same here in Wisconsin Milwaukee is one of the Irish hot beds of irish sets...mostly five part, but a few of 3 6, or 7 which are clearly in the quadrille/lancier tradition albeit with Irish Tunes. See http://jamieng.net/calendar.html for links to Madison and the Midwest quadrilles. Yes...Allison...Ford and Lovett may have created a new style using Americana tunes, that ultimately lead to the square dance movement, but some of us still do real quadrilles that date from the 19 century (am dancing in Milwaukee this coming Saturday....) Every Christmas at Folklore Village (and on January 1 at my house), the Austrian Allegemeine Francaise is danced (Strauss's Fledermaus Quadrille). For the Henry Ford set...check with Don Ward (dward-AT- loop.com). Don has cut to CD the Henry Ford band doing the Good Morning! music. Most of the 78s are quite scratchy, but it gives a good feeling of the life and tempo of that time. The Public House Ceili Band plays straight-ahead traditional Irish dance music, and has just released a CD of set dances to ever be recorded in North America, chock-full of mighty dance music for the Caledonian, the Plain, the Connemara, and the Sliabh Luachra sets. http://publichouseband.com/ Hope that this helps the Quadrille crowds. Mike At 05:38 PM 11/18/2001 +0000, you wrote: >So where do the Irish Sets (Sets of Quadrilles) fit into the equation >please? > >There are quite a few sets called the nnnnn lancers - 2 that we often >dance being the Clare Lancers and the Tipperary Lancers, both having 5 >figures. > >Trev > > > > > The the true, 19th century quadrille with 5 figures, each with > > distinctive music, was pretty well dead by 1900, though in some spots >you > > might find the Lancer's still performed. In some rustic areas people > > might be dancing a called square dance, which is not, however, the >same. > > > > Allison > > > > > >_________________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Get your free -AT- yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 18:28:27 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 20:49:51 -0500 From: Allison M Thompson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: 20th Century Quadrilles To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011118.212820.-1893357.1.AllisonThompson-AT- juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I don't know! But the fifth and final figure of The Lancer's, which involves everyone ending in 2 straight lines, I think all the men on one side and the women on the other, and then they cast off in military lines and meet up again...well, this particular figure seems to have been the one that really "stuck" with people and so in New England they still danced a dance called "The Kitchen Lancers" for some time, perhaps into the 1920s or so. Richard Powers is really the one to query on this topic. But it shows how tricky it is that words and their meanings change--at one point I was looking for some quotations about dance and someone kindly gave me something from an old novel of about 1790 and there were people doing "quadrille"--but it was a card game for 4 players, rather like whist, I suspect! So one must really be suspicious! Allison On Sun, 18 Nov 2001 17:38:58 +0000 Trevor Monson writes: > So where do the Irish Sets (Sets of Quadrilles) fit into the equation > please? > > There are quite a few sets called the nnnnn lancers - 2 that we > often > dance being the Clare Lancers and the Tipperary Lancers, both having > 5 > figures. > > Trev > > > > > The the true, 19th century quadrille with 5 figures, each with > > distinctive music, was pretty well dead by 1900, though in some > spots > you > > might find the Lancer's still performed. In some rustic areas > people > > might be dancing a called square dance, which is not, however, the > same. > > > > Allison > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free -AT- yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 18:28:31 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 20:45:39 -0500 From: Allison M Thompson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: A Conjectured Astronomical Ball To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011118.212820.-1893357.0.AllisonThompson-AT- juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Somehow, Orly Krasner's Millenium Morn seems to fit into this set. Allison On Sun, 18 Nov 2001 11:33:19 -0500 "Green, David" writes: > Another suggestion: > Lunar Eclipse (danced at the Seattle Ball some years ago). > -- David > > -----Original Message----- > From: SUSAN B BOOKER [mailto:susantiq-AT- prodigy.net] > Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 8:01 AM > To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU > Subject: A Conjectured Astronomical Ball > > > I should have posted earlier, but didn't - I hope many of you saw > the > spectacular Leonids meteor shower early this morning - observatories > are > reporting upwards of 2,000 per hour at the peak, and I saw over 100 > between > 5:00 and 6:00 a.m. EST here in clear but not-too-dark Lexington, > KY. > I'm > sure I would have seen many more had I been somewhere with less > light > pollution... > > All those shooting stars got me thinking: has anyone ever planned > and > produced an astonomical Playford ball? A few appropriate dances > occurred > to > me while I was lying on my lounge chair, bundled in an old comforter > and > sipping hot chocolate while star-gazing, and a check of the > Keller-Shimer > _Playford Ball_ upon arriving home produced a few more apt dances: > > To begin the evening: "The Nightcap", of course. To be followed by > > "The Night Piece" > "Greenwich Park" (where the observatory is located) > "Once a Night" (well, hopefully more often - for meteor showers, > that > is!) > "Star of the County Down" > (and at the break, a morris demo:) "Morningstar". > > A few more dances here, to be determined by the list... > > And in conclusion, "Sun Assembly" (at daybreak), and > "Sellenger's Round", or, "The Beginning of the World". > > Further suggestions?? I couldn't find my Barnes book, and I'm short > on > sleep... but I'm sure there are other apt (or Apted??) selections... > > Still seeing stars, > Susan B. > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 23:02:37 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 23:03:57 -0800 From: Paul / Victoria Bestock Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: A Conjectured Astronomical Ball To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20011118225928.00a31490-AT- mail.oz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT At 05:05 PM 11/18/2001 -0500, Judy G wrote: >Susan, great minds must think alike: I, also, had hot chocolate while lying >(what's the opp of prone?). Supine. Victoria Bestock ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:07:08 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:03:53 -0500 From: sol weber Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Heavenly names To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011119.140402.-15125.9.solweber-AT- juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Re the astronomical theme, here, in no particular order, and with varying degrees of applicability, are the names collected from earlier postings.... (Suggestion -- If you reply, don't include the whole list, below, which would take up lots of space and wear out many a scrolling finger) Sol 7 for the 7 Stars in the Sky (Fried Herman) plus 9 for the 9 Bright Shiners 11 for the 11 Who Went to Heaven Stars in Their Eyes Hunter's Moon (book, not dance) Mars and Venus Greenwich Park Star of the County Down Once a Night Up On a Lofty Mountain Stars of Joy Star dot Star (Aegle Hoekstra) Lunar Eclipse (Snowdon) Zephyr and Neptune (Fried) Hale-Bopp Circle (Fried) Winter Solstice The Emperor of the Moon Neptune's Triumph Greenwich Hospital Brisk and Airy Star Trek Jump to the Stars (Al Olson) Lost in the Stars Lost in the Interstellar Haze (Heys?) (Roger Diggle) Swing on a Star # 2 (Jonathan Sivier) When the Stars are Right ( " ) The Comet Contra (Herman Heyn) Rocket Reel Katie's Trip to Starbase (Merilee Karr) The Moon and 7 Stars Fiddling With the Stars (Al Olson) Star of David (Colin Hume) The Astronomer (Colin) Harke Planeet (Cor Hogendijk) Maid in the Moon Halley's Comet The Comet A Starry Night for a Ramble The Night Piece Upon a Summer's Day To Drive the Cold Winter Away Jump at the Sun (John Kirkpatrick) The Star (Schottische) Vernal Equinox (Wendy Knight) Ascending Star of Abingworth (Wendy) Autumn Glory Meridian Line In the 7th Heaven Star Star Special Star +++++Sol "Roundman" Weber --- "So many rounds, so little time" +++++25-14 37th St, Astoria, NY 11103; 718-278-4389 (after 11am) ++SINGERS and musicians, contact me for info on books, albums, and misc musical fun; solweber-AT- JUNO.com ; members.nbci.com/rounds Urgent message? Please phone. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:47:49 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:47:39 -0800 (PST) From: Barbara Ruth Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: recent NOMAD To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011120034739.49739.qmail-AT- web13605.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hello All, Before NOMAD fades too far into the distant past, I want to take the opportunity to offer thanks to all of you on this list who helped make it a stupendous English program, filled with utterly sublime moments. We had 13 hours of participatory English dance (plus the performance by Reel Nutmeg), beginning first thing in the morning Saturday at 10:00 a.m. with Robin Hayden's wonderful Experienced workshop (filled to capacity - what a great way to begin the day) and running until late at night. During peak attendance time we had over 125 English dancers (I counted them!) and what a delight it was to walk into the main gym in the middle of the day and see it filled with English dancers. Interestingly, I noticed a lot of people I knew from local contra dances, but who do not regularly dance English in the area, all apparently enjoying themselves. So it appears that some contra dancers will cross over under the right circumstances. Sharon Green once again introduced a new (to me) exquisite dance, Phillipe Callens' "Early Frost" (a word from our sponsor - I have requested it be put on the Elm City Assembly ball program). Martha Davey led us through a magical sampling of delights by current ECD composers, highlighted by a guest stint from Orly Krasner beautifully calling her own delightful "When Laura Smiles." And of course, Mary Jones deserves special notice for managing to keep the spirits going until 11:00 pm Saturday, after 7 hours of English in a row without even a dinner break - (what kind of an idiot programed that? Oops, never mind). Thanks to those mentioned, and all the others who contributed their calling skills, Graham Christian, Helen Davenport, Gary Roodman, Marge Potter, Peggy Vermilya, Rich Galloway, those who played for the dances, and those of you who came and danced for making it a truly marvelous weekend of English dancing. Barbara ===== 2 Click-to-help sites are aiding attack victims, and other good causes, by generating donations at no cost to you. Please visit the Hunger Site http://www.thehungersite.com, and the Care2 site http://rainforest.care2.com. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 20:00:34 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 20:00:23 -0800 (PST) From: Barbara Ruth Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: And speaking of the Elm City Assembly... To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011120040023.56586.qmail-AT- web13602.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT I have been holding off on announcing the upcoming New Haven ball, the Elm City Assembly due to problems accessing my website, which have prevented me from posting the registration form. However, it's not at all clear when that situation is going to be remedied, and time is passing, and I know many of you want to put this on your calendar. So, not liking to send a broadcast attachment, I am including below in the body of this posting, all the registration information - messy but it works. If anyone would like a neater presentation, email me personally and I will send it as a word attachment. The ball will take place on January 26, 2002, with Yonina Gordon calling and music by Marshall Barron, Grace Feldman, Margaret Ann Martin, and Phoebe Barron. If you have never heard this ensemble play together you are missing something. As soon as Yonina gives me the final program I will post it based on the preliminary program which I have seen, it's going to be fabulous. No kidding folks, I'm not just saying this as an organizer, this is a ball you will not want to miss! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ the 4th Annual Elm City Assembly A Mid-Winter Celebration of English Country Dance Saturday, January 26, 2002 7:00 to 11:00 p.m ~~~ Afternoon Dance Review from 2:00 - 4:00 p.m. St. Thomas's Episcopal Church, 830 Whitney Ave., New Haven, CT ~ Mistress of Ceremonies: Yonina Gordon Music by: The Playford Consort �Marshall Barron �Phoebe Barron �Grace Feldman �Margaret Ann Martin $25 per person ~ advance registration required There will be no attempt to balance gender, as we consider all our dancers to be perfectly well-balanced as they are. Registrations will be accepted in the order received - late registrants may be wait-listed. Multiple individuals at the same address may register on one form. Please include a separate form for each individual at a different address. Please include an email address. We will provide initial notification of acceptance by email. Details of program, dance instruction booklet, directions & map will be sent in January. Formal, period, or fancy attire appropriate. Contributions of fruit or a dessert are welcome. For further information: Bonnie Lassen (917) 319-5803 or bglassen-AT- hotmail.com Barbara Ruth (203) 777-5114 or barbararuth-AT- rocketmail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Elm City English Dance Ball 2002 Registration form Name(s) (as they will appear on name tags) Address Zip Phone (day)_________________________ (evening) email Number of registrants -AT- $25 each _______ Total included ____________ Please Include Checks Payable to: New Haven Country Dancers Mail to: Bonnie Lassen, 77 W. 85th St. Apt. 5E, New York, NY 10024 _________(number) wishing home hospitality _________(number) of guests I / we can offer hospitality (please mention any special circumstances, e.g. pets, pet allergies, smoking/no smoking, etc. on back) ===== 2 Click-to-help sites are aiding attack victims, and other good causes, by generating donations at no cost to you. Please visit the Hunger Site http://www.thehungersite.com, and the Care2 site http://rainforest.care2.com. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 20:30:45 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 04:30:34 +0000 From: Margherita Davis Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: recent NOMAD To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU BCC: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT And thanks to Barbara Ruth and the whole festival committee for their hard work in running this fun-filled marathon. Margherita ----Original Message Follows---- From: Barbara Ruth Reply-To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Subject: recent NOMAD Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:47:39 -0800 (PST) Hello All, Before NOMAD fades too far into the distant past, I want to take the opportunity to offer thanks to all of you on this list who helped make it a stupendous English program, filled with utterly sublime moments. We had 13 hours of participatory English dance (plus the performance by Reel Nutmeg), beginning first thing in the morning Saturday at 10:00 a.m. with Robin Hayden's wonderful Experienced workshop (filled to capacity - what a great way to begin the day) and running until late at night. During peak attendance time we had over 125 English dancers (I counted them!) and what a delight it was to walk into the main gym in the middle of the day and see it filled with English dancers. Interestingly, I noticed a lot of people I knew from local contra dances, but who do not regularly dance English in the area, all apparently enjoying themselves. So it appears that some contra dancers will cross over under the right circumstances. Sharon Green once again introduced a new (to me) exquisite dance, Phillipe Callens' "Early Frost" (a word from our sponsor - I have requested it be put on the Elm City Assembly ball program). Martha Davey led us through a magical sampling of delights by current ECD composers, highlighted by a guest stint from Orly Krasner beautifully calling her own delightful "When Laura Smiles." And of course, Mary Jones deserves special notice for managing to keep the spirits going until 11:00 pm Saturday, after 7 hours of English in a row without even a dinner break - (what kind of an idiot programed that? Oops, never mind). Thanks to those mentioned, and all the others who contributed their calling skills, Graham Christian, Helen Davenport, Gary Roodman, Marge Potter, Peggy Vermilya, Rich Galloway, those who played for the dances, and those of you who came and danced for making it a truly marvelous weekend of English dancing. Barbara ===== 2 Click-to-help sites are aiding attack victims, and other good causes, by generating donations at no cost to you. Please visit the Hunger Site http://www.thehungersite.com, and the Care2 site http://rainforest.care2.com. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 04:47:02 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 07:39:40 -0500 From: Alisa Dodson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Emma Heape--anyone know her? To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU CC: MORRIS-AT- LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hello, all. Alisa wrote a dance, Farewell California, some time ago to a tune from a tape we bought in Sidmouth 5-6 years ago. The tape is of an English group specializing in French music, Les Cloches, and the tune in question, For You All, is credited to Emma Heape. Alisa would like to submit the dance for publication with the music, so would like to get permission from Emma to republish the copyrighted music--anyone have a contact for her? Allen Dodson ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:21:23 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:21:11 -0500 (EST) From: Terence Gaffney Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Boston Pre-Thanksgiving party To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Dear Friends, Thanksgiving is coming early this year, bringing with it our annual pre-Thanksgiving party dance this Wednesday at the Park Avenue Congregational Church in Arlington. Traditionally this has been the Boston Centres homecoming dance, as friends return to Boston for the holidays. For me, the tragic events of the Fall make the chance to renew old connections this holiday all the more valuable. I hope to see many of you this Wednesday. Directions to the hall can be found at: http://www.cds-Boston.org/pacc_dirs.html Best wishes for a Happy Thanksgiving! Terry ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:00:31 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 23:55:00 -0500 From: franch-AT- juno.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Thanksgiving in Baltimore To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011120.235502.-420007.4.franch-AT- juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT For those in the Baltimore area on Thanksgiving, the Baltimore Folk Music Society is holding its annual Burn-off-the-Calories Dance at St. Mark's-on-the-Hill Parish Hall, 1620 Reisterstown Rd, Pikesville. This is an open mic for callers and an open band night. Liz Donaldson has been hired to lead the band. Bring your friends and leftover deserts for what has become a great evening of music and dancing--contras, squares, and English. (Note to ECD list: the evening probably will be mostly contra, because that is what most callers call and what most of the dancers like to do.) $6.00 for members, $8.00 for nonmembers, half price for little kids. Note: Band members and callers pay as well (only way we can afford to hold the dance), Contact Mike Franch for details: (410) 889-3252 or franch-AT- juno.com. History: This began as an ECD because we used to do ECD on Thursday nights, and held the dance on Thanksgiving night because that was a Thursday. When we changed venues and had to move the dance to Monday nights, we kept the Thursday tradition. When energy to run the dance as an ECD on Thanksgiving waned, we kept the tradition going by making it an all-volunteer, stylistically pot-luck evening. The Baltimore tradition of having sauerkraut for Thanksgiving does not seem to have adversely affected the dance. Mike Franch ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:10:29 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:15:38 -0800 From: Mary Devlin Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Emma Heape--anyone know her? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT on 11/20/01 4:39 AM, Alisa Dodson at alisa-AT- capercat.com wrote: > Hello, all. > > Alisa wrote a dance, Farewell California, some time ago to a tune from a > tape we bought in Sidmouth 5-6 years ago. The tape is of an English group > specializing in French music, Les Cloches, and the tune in question, For > You All, is credited to Emma Heape. > Alisa would like to submit the dance for publication with the music, so > would like to get permission from Emma to republish the copyrighted > music--anyone have a contact for her? > Allen Dodson > > > Not I... sorry. Mary ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 02:20:05 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 02:04:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: 20th Century Quadrilles To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01KAY6USZP6M9CGX95-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <20011117.183113.-1737257.0.AllisonThompson-AT- juno.com> Trevor wrote: > So where do the Irish Sets (Sets of Quadrilles) fit into the equation > please? > There are quite a few sets called the nnnnn lancers - 2 that we often > dance being the Clare Lancers and the Tipperary Lancers, both having 5 > figures. (1) There are a variety of things called the nnnn Lancers' in 19th century quadrille books. They usually had t he Lancers' figure in common. (2) I can't lay my hands on my copy of _Toss the Feathers_ by Pat Murphy, which has Irish set-dance instructions and histories. If I remember correctly - and I just got off a plane from the other side of the country, so maybe I don't recall - Irish set dance as we know it today is the result of a calculated late-Victorian resurgence of Irish culture, and, as such, betrays many late-Victorian influences. (You wouldn't likely be seeing all that polkaing before 1844 in any case.) (Substitute "English" for "Irish" above and you get a statement that's equally true; it's almost true if you substitute "Scottish.") Unfortunately, the Collins Pocket Reference on Irish Dancing doesn't have any history in it that I can see. If anybody out there can easily lay hands on _Toss the Feathers_ perhaps you can clear this up. -- Alan =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 04:31:36 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 07:31:05 -0500 From: "Emily L. Ferguson" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Dance card book To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <20011117.183113.-1737257.0.AllisonThompson-AT- juno.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20011118195214.00a40580-AT- mhtc.net> Hi, all. Recently I got another enquiry about my dance card book. And a couple of people have asked via email whether there were any more left. So there might be a chance of another run. Make sure to contact me privately, elf-AT- cape.com, if you want to get one, however. Thanks. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 07:24:03 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:23:47 -0500 (EST) From: Terence Gaffney Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Thanksgiving in Baltimore To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Dear friends, As we dance tonight in Boston, I'd love to hear what all of the other groups on the list are doing. The thought of all of us having similar experiences this weekend, in our different locales and local modes is a rush. Thank you Baltimore! best, Terry ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 07:58:00 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 13:58:19 +0000 From: Trevor Monson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: 20th Century Quadrilles To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <000601c172a5$3c203ac0$8a9901d4-AT- trevormo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <20011117.183113.-1737257.0.AllisonThompson-AT- juno.com> <01KAY6USZP6M9CGX95-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> With reference to (2) from Alan below, I had been given the impression that the Quadrilles had been taken to Europe/Ireland by the troops (don't ask me which ones or how long ago or where from) who naturally danced in all male sets. When the Irish then danced them, they changed them to mixed sex sets, as in other countries, and also changed the music to their local style of Irish music. Hence they are mainly danced to reels in Clare and polkas in Derry etc. There is/has been a lot of "politics" involved over the years, with different classes/religions/party politics - of which I do not know enough about, or even understand, to be able to comment further on who does/does not dance these sets and how they evolved. I haven't got "Toss the Feathers" even though I have been to several workshops taken by Pat Murphy. If you ever get the opportunity to go to his workshops - take it!! He is brilliant at explaining the dances and the steps, and is so easy to get on with. When dancing the lancers as Scottish, (with Scottish steps and music) the "feel" is completely different to that of Irish and also as English (as would be expected) even though it is obviously the same dance. I wish I could find it in Welsh/Wales as well, as I would like to take a workshop of the lancers in all 4 nationalities, and see if anyone realised they were doing the same dance! Trev. > Trevor wrote: > > > So where do the Irish Sets (Sets of Quadrilles) fit into the equation > > please? > > > There are quite a few sets called the nnnnn lancers - 2 that we often > > dance being the Clare Lancers and the Tipperary Lancers, both having 5 > > figures. > > (1) There are a variety of things called the nnnn Lancers' in 19th century > quadrille books. They usually had t he Lancers' figure in common. > > (2) I can't lay my hands on my copy of _Toss the Feathers_ by Pat Murphy, > which has Irish set-dance instructions and histories. If I remember correctly > - and I just got off a plane from the other side of the country, so maybe > I don't recall - Irish set dance as we know it today is the result of a > calculated late-Victorian resurgence of Irish culture, and, as such, betrays > many late-Victorian influences. (You wouldn't likely be seeing all that > polkaing before 1844 in any case.) (Substitute "English" for "Irish" above > and you get a statement that's equally true; it's almost true if you substitute > "Scottish.") > > Unfortunately, the Collins Pocket Reference on Irish Dancing doesn't have any > history in it that I can see. If anybody out there can easily lay hands on > _Toss the Feathers_ perhaps you can clear this up. > > -- Alan > > > ======================================================================== ======= > Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU > Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 > Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 > ======================================================================== ======= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free -AT- yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 13:02:37 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 13:02:26 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Andersen Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: CDW Thanksgiving Dance To: ECD List Message-ID: <20011121210226.70276.qmail-AT- web12202.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT The Thanksgiving Dance party of Country Dancers of Westchester is Friday, November 23, at the Church in the Highlands on Bryant Ave., White Plains, NY. Festivities begin at 8pm. MCs for the event are Fried Herman, Carol Martinez, Gene Murrow, and Paul Ross, supported by the musicians, John Austin on viola & violin; Leah Barkan at the piano; Norma Castle on flute; and the clarinetist, Sue Polansky. We welcome contributions of refreshments - sweets, savories, fruits, and goodies. Admission is $12.00. Members of CDW pay $10.00. Directions for automobile travel to the Church in the Highlands as well as other CDW information are available at our website. Here's the url. http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/2225/ Thursday night workshop dances continue in the weeks following. On November 29 and December 6, Fried Herman is emcee for the workshops assisted by apprentice Orly Krasner. Members of the house band that plays for workshop nights are Leah Barkan, George Davis, Sue Polansky, and Stewart Dean with occasional guest musicians. For more information, call Leah at 914/693-5577 or Susan at 914/762-8619. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 13:06:36 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 16:11:21 -0700 From: Helen White Subject: Re: Dance card book To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <3BFC349A.8D481F2D-AT- earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <20011117.183113.-1737257.0.AllisonThompson-AT- juno.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20011118195214.00a40580-AT- mhtc.net> Emily, I can't remember now if I told you how wonderful your book of cards is. (I got one in the last batch you offered.) One of its delights that I hadn't forseen is that it chronicles the Boston repertoire -- which is different from that here in New York and from Ann Arbor's (where I used to live). Your cards have introduced me to a number of gems I haven't danced before. Many thanks! All the best, Helen White ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 14:56:28 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 14:56:17 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: 20th Century Quadrilles To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011121225617.94758.qmail-AT- web20004.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --- Trevor Monson wrote: > When dancing the lancers as Scottish, (with Scottish steps and > music) the "feel" is completely different to that of Irish and > also as English (as would be expected) even though it is > obviously the same dance. I wish I could find it in > Welsh/Wales as well, as I would like to take a workshop of the > lancers in all 4 nationalities, and see if anyone realised they > were doing the same dance! Nordlys, the Scandinavian performing group that I am in, has a Danish Lancers set of which we have performed some parts. It is very similar to 19th C. Lancers that I have done at Vintage gatherings, all of which have the same fifth figure, the one that turns the set into a four couple longways. Our music is dreadfully boring, hence the reason for not doing all five figures in a performance. The dances would be much better with more lively music because some people tend to plod through the figures. Being 19th C. vintage dances, there are things that I would to do differently, but our director doesn't know anything about Victorian dance and she isn't very receptive to my input. We have a video tape of a Norwegian group performing a very similar dance to different music. Andy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 15:20:21 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 15:20:08 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: 20th Century Quadrilles To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011121232008.62035.qmail-AT- web20003.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --- Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing > ...Irish set dance as we know it today is the result of a > calculated late-Victorian resurgence of Irish culture, and, as > such, betrays many late-Victorian influences... To recall a brief discussion about Danish dance a while back (which I took it off list when I replied to Pat), I inquired of a friend in Seattle about his studies of Scandinavian dance, and he confirmed our discussion that the Danish dances that we know today are mainly 19th C. dances influenced by ECD (and possibly the French and Germans?). There are scholars trying to trace the old folk dances of Denmark, but finding any trace of them is quite difficult. I would suspect that pre-19th C. dances of Denmark might be similar to the old dances of southern Norway, since that area of Norway was, at times, historically a part of Denmark. The Norwegians, Swedes and Finns, being more isolated, may have retained their old dances (and music) while Denmark's were being influenced by dances from other countries to their south. Andy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 15:52:31 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:03:52 +1100 From: Aylwen Subject: CDSS To: ECD List Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <003001c172e9$2c474820$0e7f09d2-AT- earthly> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Does anyone know the contact person for the Country Dance and Song Society? Cheers, Aylwen Garden ______________________________________________ �?��?��?��?��?��?��?��?��?��?��?��? John & Aylwen Garden garden-AT- earthlydelights.com.au http://www.earthlydelights.com.au Sunday 16 December 2001 DICKENSIAN CHRISTMAS CAROL BALL http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/Dickens.htm or 87 Schlich Street, Yarralumla ACT 2600 "If you can walk, you can dance. If you can talk, you can sing." A saying in Zimbabwe ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 16:55:56 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:37:21 -0500 From: franch-AT- juno.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Thanksgiving in Baltimore To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011121.195049.-414901.0.franch-AT- juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Alan Corkett wrote to chastise me (perhaps appropriately) for my comment that for our Thanksgiving dance we charge band members and callers as the "only way we can afford to hold the dance." He also offered alternatives. Now that I think of it, based on last year's attendance, we might be able to get by with not charging people callers and musicians. However, with one exception, this is an all volunteer evening. Part of the joy of it is that it is a really community event, with members of the community calling, playing, or dancing--sometimes all three. Some musicians will play for a bit and then dance. Others find their pleasure in playing all evening. Callers will call a dance or two, but mostly dance. Other volunteers, such as the individuals who take the money, pay as well. _I_ pay, and I'm the organizer, will call a dance or two, and see to the opening and closing. The one exception is the band leader, whom we do pay. At all our other dances, musicians and callers are paid. Not necessarily well, but they are paid. Mike Franch ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 16:55:59 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:50:48 -0500 From: franch-AT- juno.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: A Spontaneous Open Mic Evening To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011121.195049.-414901.1.franch-AT- juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Baltimore has an open mic Thanksgiving Dance, as you know from my previous messages, but this week we had a spontaneous, ad hoc open mic evening when we had to hold the dance without the scheduled caller. It was a wonderful evening, with various dancers filling in, calling a dance or two. Since nobody was expecting to call, all the callers (except perhaps for one) worked from memory. Since some of our regular callers were present to dance, we had that solid base to build on, and those of us who can call a few dances, but who are by no means "callers," had an opportunity to take the mic. It wasn't planned as a community dance, but it was a wonderful example of the dance community spontaneously contributing what it takes to have a fine evening. (Of course, we benefited from superb hired musicians, who accommodated themselves very well to the changes at the mic.) I don't think Baltimore is unusual in being able to do this, not by any means. I think that such rising to the occasion would happen in most of the dances regularly frequented by participants on this List. But it is something to be celebrated, and so I share my celebratory feelings with my extended dance community. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 17:36:19 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 20:36:03 -0500 (EST) From: Will Linden Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: CDSS To: Aylwen CC: ECD List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT See www.cdss.org Will Linden wlinden-AT- panix.com http://www.ecben.net/ Magic Code: MAS/GD S++ W++ N+ PWM++ Ds/r+ A-> a++ C+ G- QO++ 666 Y ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 18:58:52 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 21:58:42 -0500 From: Patricia Ruggiero Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Lancers in Wales. Was 20th century quadrilles To: English Dance Message-ID: <000d01c17301$97e5dcf0$f7b6c843-AT- MITRE.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Trevor wrote: "I wish I could find it in Welsh/Wales as well, as I would like to take a workshop of the lancers in all 4 nationalities, and see if anyone realised they were doing the same dance!" You might ask Sian Fricke about this. She lives in Delaware and teaches Welsh dancing. I don't have her contact information but someone on this list might, as might someone on the Strathspey List (Sian's also a Scottish dancer with the Delaware Valley group). Pat ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:57:09 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:54:22 +0000 From: Trevor Monson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Thanksgiving in Baltimore To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <00ca01c1738f$e43b65a0$e49901d4-AT- trevormo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <20011121.195049.-414901.0.franch-AT- juno.com> Mike France wrote:- > Alan Corkett wrote to chastise me (perhaps appropriately) for my comment > that for our Thanksgiving dance we charge band members and callers as the > "only way we can afford to hold the dance." He also offered > alternatives. > I think payment of callers/band members depends on the different groups (what an all embracing statement!!) At a small ECD group I run and do 1/2 the calling at (to tapes) neither of us take anything. If we could ever get regulars at the group to play, who were part of the group, then I would not expect to pay them either, but would expect them to pay the normal admission. At Saturday night club nights, we pay the caller whether they want it or not. This is because "we" have ASKED "them" to call for the evening. The same with musicians. When running a morris team, I expected the musicians to pay the subs. exactly the same as the dancers. This is because we danced because we enjoyed dancing, and the musicians played because they enjoyed playing, and we were all part of the same team - so all had equal rights and paid the same. If we needed to import musicians (if ours weren't available) then we would pay them, as again, we had asked them to play for a specific occasion. So, for the above reasons I don't think band members should always be paid. (I suppose the alternative to this is that if you had a large scratch band, then they could pay dancers to come and dance to them playing?!) Trev. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free -AT- yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 12:56:50 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 15:56:38 -0500 From: "Stephen D. Corrsin" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: folk dance? To: ecd-digest-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU BCC: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT A recent comment on the list: "To recall a brief discussion about Danish dance a while back (which I took it off list when I replied to Pat), I inquired of a friend in Seattle about his studies of Scandinavian dance, and he confirmed our discussion that the Danish dances that we know today are mainly 19th C. dances influenced by ECD (and possibly the French and Germans?). There are scholars trying to trace the old folk dances of Denmark, but finding any trace of them is quite difficult. I would suspect that pre-19th C. dances of Denmark might be similar to the old dances of southern Norway, since that area of Norway was, at times, historically a part of Denmark. The Norwegians, Swedes and Finns, being more isolated, may have retained their old dances (and music) while Denmark's were being influenced by dances from other countries to their south." **** I'll chip in here that I've given up trying to find what "folk dances" are. I've reached this conclusion as I'm writing my next book, tentatively entitled "Theory, Ideology, and Myth in the 'Folk Dance Revival', 1870-1945." (My wife calls it "Dancing Fascists," which should give a few clues.) I would conclude that "folk dance" is an impossible category. It begs too many questions, e.g., who are the "folk"? Also, the idea of anything "folk" bears with a very strong, but rarely or not at all explicitly addressed, nationalistic content. That is, that there are specific "Danish" or "English" or "American" cultural forms (in an ethno-national sense, not geographic.) Which is not valid when one starts serious investigation. For example, there are dances which were done in the country known as Denmark, thus in a geographical sense, but how one gets "Danish" that is ethnically purely Danish is beyond me. Obviously there are Danish dances, or English dances, in the sense of dances that originated from or were / are found in those countries. (Let's skip the ethnic bit, and settle for geography.) And there are types of dances, such as those called "Playford," or Morris, sword, whatever. But how can a larger, overarching category of "folk dances" be constructed therefrom? Hence the constant unsatisfactory attempts to define, from E. Phillips Barker to G. Kurath and beyond. Incidentally, the idea that isolation = preservation doesn't work either. Isolation is, first of all, never perfect, especially not in modern Europe. And second of all, isolation is likely to produce signal drift in cultural forms, rather than stability. sincerely (hey, I don't make this stuff up!) Steve Corrsin _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 15:20:11 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 10:31:20 +1100 From: Aylwen Subject: Season's Greetings and Dance Delights To: ECD List Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <00bb01c173ad$cae18bc0$de2865d1-AT- earthly> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT I have just put up the latest issue on line at http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/DD3.html . Please have a read. Articles inside this issue include: 1) Dickensian Christmas Carol Ball, Sunday 16 December 2001 2) Free Dance Workshops next 3 Sunday afternoons 3) The origin of Christmas Carols 4) Background to the Carol-dance Project 5) Costumes of the late 1800s and related links 6) Jews Brothers Band from New Zealand, Sat 24 November,2001 Warmest Regards, Aylwen Garden ______________________________________________ �?��?��?��?��?��?��?��?��?��?��?��? John & Aylwen Garden garden-AT- earthlydelights.com.au http://www.earthlydelights.com.au Sunday 16 December 2001 DICKENSIAN CHRISTMAS CAROL BALL http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/Dickens.htm or 87 Schlich Street, Yarralumla ACT 2600 Australia "If you can walk, you can dance. If you can talk, you can sing." A saying in Zimbabwe ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 07:26:47 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 16:30:50 +0100 From: Philippe Callens Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: New Year in Antwerp To: ECD discussion list Message-ID: <3BFE6BAA.E4EE00AD-AT- uia.ua.ac.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Herewith you are all invited for the annual AADS New Year's English Country Workshop and Dance on the first Sunday of January. This event always attract people from all over Western Europe and we hope it will not be different this time! Date: 6 January 2002 Venue: Den Wolschaerder, Liersesteenweg 314, 2640 Mortsel, Belgium. Leaders: - Wil Van den Berg, Almere, the Netherlands (we haven't had this talented woman for quite a while, so we are glad to welcome her back, as a leader and as a musician!) - Philippe Callens, Antwerp, Belgium Musicians: Dick Flight (violin), Marieke van Leersum (recorder) and again Wil van den Berg (accordion) Programme: - morning workshop led by Wil, a good occasion for some better work (11.00-13.15) - afternoon dance led by Philippe (14.30-17.30) Admission: - morning: 6,50 euro - afternoon: 7,50 euro Please register in advance - mailto:aads-AT- village.uunet.be ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 08:20:17 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 11:08:52 -0500 From: franch-AT- juno.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Thanksgiving in Baltimore To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011123.111426.-94345.0.franch-AT- juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT We had our Thanksgiving Dance in Baltimore, Md., U.S.A. last night. It was a fine evening. Over the course of the evening we had (if I'm remembering everybody) five volunteer callers and six volunteer musicians, plus the leader, and attracted enough of a crowd to pay the rent and the hired leader and reimburse me for fliers, and still make a few dollars. Before I leave this thread, I think two points are worth making: 1. The distinction that Trevor Monson made in his message: there's a difference between persons who are there because they enjoy the dancing and music making (e.g., a Morris team of dancers and musicians). We hired the lead musician. I asked her "Would you come to do this job for $x?" To all others we said, "Here's an evening that will give you an opportunity to call, play, and dance, and to make it work financially we're asking everyone who comes to pay $x." 2. We shouldn't make such a big deal out of this one dance. The Baltimore Folk Music Society sponsors about 100 weekly dances (50 ECD, 50 contra and square), 12 monthly Saturday night contra and square dances (sometimes preceded by a "community" or "family" dance in the afternoon), two balls (Playford and contra). We also co-sponsor a number of Zydeco dances. In all of these, we hire and pay musicians and (except for Zydeco) callers. So the Thanksgiving Dance is a very small exception to our usual practice. Mike Franch ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 10:44:21 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 10:44:09 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Thanksgiving in Baltimore To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011123184409.72620.qmail-AT- web20005.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --- Trevor Monson wrote: > <> > So, for the above reasons I don't think band members should > always be paid. (I suppose the alternative to this is that if > you had a large scratch band, then they could pay dancers to > come and dance to them playing?!) We have a local Contra band, known as "The Portland Megaband", which last I knew consisted of 75 musicians. It evolved out of a monthly musicians workshop. They only play a couple of times a year. I think their annual event in Portland is a scholarship benefit dance, held in a larger (more expensive) hall than our regular weekly dances. We need the bigger hall as much for the band as for the larger than usual turnout of dancers. They have also played at the Northwest Folklife Festival in Seattle. I couldn't imagine them doing a gig where they all have to be paid. When I lived in New Hampshire, Dudley Laufman used to hire two or three members of the Canturbury Orchestra who lived nearest the dance, and anyone with an instrument who wanted to play could sit in with them. We didn't always know what tune he was going to play. He'd tell the hired musicians and it didn't always filter clear through the twenty or so people on the stage. Andy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 11:12:05 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 11:11:53 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Thanksgiving in Baltimore To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011123191153.93554.qmail-AT- web20002.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --- franch-AT- juno.com wrote: > Alan Corkett wrote to chastise me (perhaps appropriately) for > my comment that for our Thanksgiving dance we charge band > members and callers as the "only way we can afford to hold the > dance." He also offered alternatives. > > Now that I think of it, based on last year's attendance, we > might be able to get by with not charging people callers and > musicians. However, with one exception, this is an all > volunteer evening. Part of the joy of it is that it is a > really community event, with members of the community calling, > playing, or dancing--sometimes all three. Some musicians will > play for a bit and then dance. Others find their pleasure in > playing all evening. Callers will call a dance or two, but > mostly dance. > Other volunteers, such as the individuals who take the money, > pay as well. _I_ pay, and I'm the organizer, will call a dance > or two, and see to the opening and closing. The one exception > is the band leader, whom we do pay. I'm not sure exactly how it was paid for, possibly a grant from a local arts council or one of the big insurance companies, but Jim Gregory , in Hartford CT, used to run the second and fourth Friday Contra dances in the Elizabeth Park Pond House (not quite so great as it sounds due to an awful concrete floor) during the summer. Each dance was preceded by a concert by a local folk singer/musician (Howie Bursen, who had been Jim's college roommate, and Sally Rogers always did the first one each year) and often they played with (or were) the band for the evening. People would bring their supper and listen to the concert, then the dancing would start outside (on flagstones!!!) and move inside when it got dark or the mosquitoes got too bad. There was no admission charged for these dances. Shall we start a new thread on "the worst surface I've ever danced upon"? Those flagstones were downright trecherous, but then I think of floors that were dangerously slick because they'd been so highly polished, and I wonder if they weren't worse. Anyone for the Helsinge Hambon Which starts on some farmer's freshly mowed field? I'm not sure I'd do well with a turning dance on stubble. Andy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 11:44:07 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 14:43:55 -0500 (EST) From: "Priscilla M. Burrage" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Thanksgiving in Baltimore To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Fri, 23 Nov 2001, Andrew Peterson wrote (inpart): > When I lived in New Hampshire, Dudley Laufman used to hire two > or three members of the Canturbury Orchestra who lived nearest > the dance, and anyone with an instrument who wanted to play > could sit in with them. We didn't always know what tune he was > going to play. He'd tell the hired musicians and it didn't > always filter clear through the twenty or so people on the > stage. Neither did the key in which they would be playing. . . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Priscilla Burrage Vermont US (pburrage-AT- zoo.uvm.edu) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 11:58:35 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 16:28:00 -0500 From: "Martin E. Mulligan" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Carolan query To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Could list members tell me if there any English Country Dances set to the music of Planxty Fanny Power by O'Carolan? I'd appreciate publication information if there are. Thanks, Martin ========================================================================= Martin E. Mulligan St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada mulligan-AT- morgan.ucs.mun.ca ========================================================================= ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 13:21:38 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 16:04:58 -0800 From: etepper-AT- juno.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Carolan query To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011123.162525.-270167.0.etepper-AT- juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Re Fanny Power (daughter of Mrs. Power, the original title of Carolan's Concerto) Last summer at English Week at Pinewoods one of the campers had written a dance to that tune. I don't know if he has published it. I hope I remember correctly that his name was Ken Sheffield. kepas-AT- talk21.com. I think I also remember that it didn't quite work... Hope this helps. Ellen Tepper ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 13:21:41 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 16:25:25 -0800 From: etepper-AT- juno.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Thanksgiving in Baltimore: a musician's perspective To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011123.162525.-270167.1.etepper-AT- juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I've been thinking a lot about this, even as a professional, and it sounds like the right idea. As a working harpist, I find I am chronically starved for ensemble playing and playing for a dance fills this void for me. Most dances do not interfere with my "rent paying" gigs, or else I restrict which ones I can play for, but the aspect of "playing for fun" is a issue so easily overlooked. Many a professional just looses touch with this, and I would also point out that while I was a student the LAST thing anyone would imagine would be taking your instrument to a party! Let alone playing for a dance musician's wages. It is not a "gig" but a "giggle"--a job played purely for the fun of it. As a soloist, the lure of jamming in an 18th century idiom, the getting to play with other people, and especially for those who are dancing to our music, is irresistable. It is a form of community behavior that you cannot get pursuing concert engagements or playing alone behind the potted palms. However...I would expect to get in free, if only to cover the imaginary cartage fee for the instrument---it's heavy and cumbersome! Maybe this is only my take....I feel there are many places where one needs to "give back", dances, funerals, playing people to sleep....and you can't always schedule EVERYTHING! Ellen Tepper (who is still trying to figure out how to play and waltz at the same time!) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:14:43 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:14:32 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Thanksgiving in Baltimore: a musician's perspective To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011124021432.51248.qmail-AT- web20004.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --- etepper-AT- juno.com wrote: > However...I would expect to get in free, if only to cover the > imaginary cartage fee for the instrument.. Nordlys stopped going to the Midsommarfest put on by Skandia of Seattle every June when they announced that performers had to pay admission. We feel that if we are going to work up a performance and travel three to five hours to be part of the entertainment _and_ possibly stay in a motel overnight, we shouldn't have to pay admission, too. We had actually come to that conclusion a few weeks before receiving notice from Skandia when discussing a possible gig that told us that we had to pay (it was either a one-time show or annual event we'd never been to before). The last two years Skandia have given vouchers for performers to get in without paying, but that two or three years of charging performers really has hurt their attendance. Groups have possibly found alternatives. Maybe this year's rainy festival shouldn't be used as a gauge, except that there _were_ a lot of spectators watching in the rain, just not very many dance groups. Someone from Vancouver BC told me last spring that they couldn't afford to come south for festivals because of the exchange rate, so that may have effected Canadian groups coming this year. > Ellen Tepper > (who is still trying to figure out how to play and waltz at > the same time!) I once read a book in which the fiddler waltzed with a partner while fiddling. I still haven't figured out how one could do that. I've seen fiddlers that could dance while playing (Fred Breunig can do a rapper step while playing), but not with a partner. Andy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 20:25:34 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 20:20:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: Carolan query To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01KB21CB1Z5E9JD8FL-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Martin wrote: > Could list members tell me if there any English Country Dances set to the > music of Planxty Fanny Power by O'Carolan? I'd appreciate publication > information if there are. Thanks, Well, I wrote one, and it got published in the CDSS News - I don't have volume and issue info handy. It works. (It's called "Sparkling and Still", and was written to celebrate the engagement of Carol Ann Krug and David Graves; Krug is a champagne; Graves is a region of France where they grow grapes for still wines.) I have the author's explicit permission to give the instructions here: SPARKLING AND STILL Alan Winston, 1997 Music: Fanny Powers (as given in Barnes 'A Little Couple Dance-Musik') Play AB; tell the musicians "dreamy" 32-bar longways, duple minor proper A: 1-2 1s turn by the right halfway 3-4 cast to the ends of a line of four, thus: W1 M2 W2 M1 5 Line balances back (step and close) 6 Line takes 1 waltz step (three little steps) forward 7-8 1s gate 2s up and around, propelling them into . . . 9-12 2s continue moving and 1/2 figure eight up through 1s. 13-16 1s 1/2 figure eight down through 2s, ending M1 W1 W2 M2 B: 1-4 Neighbors face, set, and change places turning single (as in 'Trip to Paris', except end facing partner) 5-8 Partners the same, except don't go all the way to partner's place; end close to partner ready to 9-16 take ballroom position: waltz counterclockwise once around the other couple to progressed place; then open up facing a new couple. 1s should take care to finish proper. If you end up calling this, let me know how it goes. -- Alan =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 02:49:14 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 10:24:18 +0100 From: M Sheffield Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Carolan query To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20011124102418.007c1df0-AT- pop.wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT At 16:04 23/11/01 -0800, you wrote: >Re Fanny Power > >a dance to that tune. (...) I hope I >remember correctly that (the deviser) was Ken Sheffield. >I think I also remember that it didn't quite work... I don't know if it worked in Pinewoods, but we made it work here in Grenoble quite recently. Not easy, because there is so much to remember, but very satisfying. Yours, Martin Sheffield -- no relation ! ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 05:37:47 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 09:35:34 -0400 From: John Wood Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Carolan query [2] To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3BFFA226.3FCFB49D-AT- accesscable.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: Hi, Martin: > Could list members tell me if there any English Country Dances set to the > music of Planxty Fanny Power by O'Carolan? I'd appreciate publication > information if there are. The answer is "yes." A dance called "Fanny Power" [played in 3/4 time] and devised by Ken Sheffied. To be found in a leaflet headed "FROM TWO BARNS" [supplement to Volume Eight] and then with the addition of "Three Dances for the Millennium" It is a four-couple set with 1st and 3rd couples improper, played 4 x 32. Quite a difficult dance going from longways into square and back again. Ken Sheffield's address is: Hall Barn Bitterell, Eynsham Oxford, OX8 1JL U.K. E-mail: kepas-AT- talk21.com Hope that helps! Regards, John ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 14:15:54 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 17:15:34 -0500 (EST) From: DavBarnert-AT- aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Ellen's dilemma (waltzing while playing) To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Andy wrote: >I once read a book in which the fiddler waltzed with a partner >while fiddling. I still haven't figured out how one could do >that. I've seen fiddlers that could dance while playing (Fred >Breunig can do a rapper step while playing), but not with a >partner. I've seen two accordionists waltz with each other while each played the instrument strapped to the other's back. I'm pretty sure it was Mary Cay Brass and Andy Davis, but one or both of those may be misremembered. ______ /\/\/\/\ <______> | | | | | David Barnert <______> | | | | | <______> | | | | | Albany, N.Y. <______> \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 15:51:18 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 15:50:06 -0800 From: Chris Sackett & Brooke Friendly Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: bad floors To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3C00322E.758E0B8-AT- opendoor.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <20011123191153.93554.qmail-AT- web20002.mail.yahoo.com> Andrew Peterson wrote: > Shall we start a new thread on "the worst surface I've ever > danced upon"? Those flagstones were downright trecherous, but > then I think of floors that were dangerously slick because > they'd been so highly polished, and I wonder if they weren't > worse. Our English and Scottish Country Dance Spring Ball used to be in a very nice historic ballroom. Then one year the floors were resurfaced and became impossibly slick to dance on. We tried it a second year after talking to the owners about our needs, they promised us it would be fine but it wasn't. (We now hold the ball in a less attractive space with a safe floor). What follows is the true story of those two years of trying to dance on the treacherous floor. Written by Chris Sackett and me, it is set to the tune 'Rosin the Bow' (or 'Acres of Clams'). And I also have the author's explicit permission to give the words here... Spring Ball Lament by Brooke Friendly & Chris Sackett Oh the Ashland Country Dancers have a spring ball It's known as a glorious affair Good music and friendship abounding And the heys you can dance with a flair Oh the U.S. Hotel has a ballroom For dance it's a marvelous space But the floor has a new kind of finish And now you may fall on your face Chorus: Remember to rosin the floor Remember to rosin the floor So we don't end up on our arses Remember to rosin the floor Our problems began with the thirteenth Before that the floor had been fine We were slipping so bad at the workshop We nearly went out of our minds The floor caused severe consternation The solution was get out a mop Spread Pepsi and juice of the apples So dancers would not go ker-plop Chorus: So dancers would not go ker-plop So dancers would not go ker-plop Spread Pepsi and juice of the apples So dancers would not go ker-plop Well this kept the dancers from slipping So sticky the floor had become We left pieces of shoe on the dance floor But nobody fell on their bum S.O.H.S.* said they were sorry In future that they would forfend No wax would they buff on the floor boards So we won't all land on our hind ends Chorus: So we won't all land on our hind ends So we won't all land on our hind ends No wax would they buff on the floor boards So we won't all land on our hind ends We got to the hall for the fourteenth It wasn't as bad as before Like the flu's not as bad as pneumonia It still could be better by far We asked for assistance from maintenance They said there was none to be found They said that wood floors are just like that Hope too many don't crash on the ground Chorus: Too many don't crash on the ground Too many don't crash on the ground They said that wood floors are just like that Hope too many don't crash on the ground With their exit the ball was in our court We sought help from a dance supply store We bought all of the rosin they had there So our shoes wouldn't slip on the floor Our shoes were encrusted with rosin We tried English but dancers still fell We knew Scottish would be quite deadly And so we said oh what the hell Chorus: We'll just have to rosin the floor We'll just have to rosin the floor So we don't end up on our arses We'll just have to rosin the floor We damp mopped and sprinkled on rosin Fair Jenny was met with a cheer But then as the dancing continued Big billowing clouds did appear Oh the drummer he wore a bandanna To keep all the dust from his nose But the fiddler's strings were excited She had no need to rosin her bow Chorus: Had no need to rosin her bow Had no need to rosin her bow But the fiddler's strings were excited She had no need to rosin her bow Next week maintenance called in a tizzy What was that vile stuff on the floor It took two whole days just to clean it Your deposit you will see no more We hope these events become history Let's not add more woe to this song So next year we'll look for a new hall This song has gone on far too long Chorus: And we don't want to rosin the floor We'd prefer not to rosin the floor So next year we'll look for a new hall We don't want to rosin the floor *Southern Oregon Historical Society ? the owners of the venue. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 16:02:09 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 19:01:54 -0500 (EST) From: Tideswell-AT- aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Harping on a theme To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <163.471a3af.29318ef2-AT- aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT >Ellen Tepper >(who is still trying to figure out how to play and waltz at the same >time!) I keep seeing a harp with feet at the bottom, rather like the Bananarama 9000 from Bloom County. ("Where are going Ellen?" "Oh, I'm off to get new dance shoes for my harp.") But I suppose omnidirectional wheels would be more practical? Either that or a pair of strong, and well-trained, waltz partners Nilos ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 16:32:44 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 16:12:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Worst surfaces danced on To: ecd-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01KB37HY6VES9JD8FL-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Gang -- Andy's question about the worst surface you've ever danced on seems like a dangerous one in a group that includes morris dancers. In a morris dancing career which is not remotely exceptional, I can recall dancing on dew-covered cobblestones, on the slick wet surface of a docked ferry at the Hyde Street Pier, on extremely thick grass in front of the Pelican Inn in Marin (absolutely beautiful location, incredibly difficult to get any lift), on dust mixed with fine gravel and less-hygienic material, in front of a horse barn at a historic farm - that was where I went down and my index finger sprayed blood for the rest of the dance - and, more than once, on gravel mixed with mud in the pre-dawn dark at the Palo Alto Baylands. I wouldn't trade in any of those experiences, but I wouldn't recommend any of those experiences. Outside of the morris-dance realm, my number-one choice of worst dance surface in my experience is the dance floor at the Art Deco Society of California Gatsby Summer Afternoon at Dunsmuir House in Oakland, where they get a really fine, fine band - the Royal Society Jazz Orchestra - and then assemble a dance floor from hotel-style tiles on a gently-sloping hillside with no apparent attempt to level them. Each 24" square is fine (although it may be of different slickness than the others), but the non-level transitions between them and the fact that they creep apart during the afternoon makes the overall quality really hideous, and for that matter actively dangerous. Compared to this, hotel-ballroom carpets (which I've waltzed and country-danced on more times than I can count when Regency dancing at sf conventions; it's better than having a temporary floor too small for the crowd) run a distant second in awfulness. -- Alan =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 20:46:44 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 20:46:31 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: bad floors To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011125044631.79908.qmail-AT- web20004.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > Andrew Peterson wrote: > > Shall we start a new thread on "the worst surface I've ever > > danced upon"? Those flagstones were downright trecherous, but > > then I think of floors that were dangerously slick because > > they'd been so highly polished, and I wonder if they weren't > > worse. > --- Chris Sackett & Brooke Friendly wrote: > Our English and Scottish Country Dance Spring Ball used to be > in a very nice historic ballroom. Then one year the floors were > resurfaced and became impossibly slick to dance on. We tried it > a second year after talking to the owners about our needs, they > promised us it would be fine but it wasn't. (We now hold the > ball in a less attractive space with a safe floor). The Portland Ball was back in the Episcopal Cathredral hall this year. Either they put a different kind of finish on the floor, or the varnish is still aging, but the floor was quite sticky, even in leather dance shoes. One of the more interestig surfaces that I remember was a performance Reel Nutmeg did at a street fair in Great Barrington MA many years ago. They had built a low, level platform out of 2x4s and plywood and then rolled linoleum over it, bottom (paper) side up. It actually had just the right amount of traction. It wouldn't be very durable for long term use, but for a one day festival it was great. Andy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 20:50:03 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 20:49:50 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Ellen's dilemma (waltzing while playing) To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011125044950.96217.qmail-AT- web20009.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > Andy wrote: > >I once read a book in which the fiddler waltzed with a partner > >while fiddling. I still haven't figured out how one could do > >that. I've seen fiddlers that could dance while playing (Fred > >Breunig can do a rapper step while playing), but not with a > >partner. > --- to which DavBarnert-AT- aol.com wrote: > I've seen two accordionists waltz with each other while each > played the instrument strapped to the other's back. I'm pretty > sure it was Mary Cay Brass and Andy Davis, but one or both of > those may be misremembered. Concertinas would be easier. You could just link elbows. Andy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 20:58:13 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 23:56:51 -0500 From: Deb Karl Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: on accordian duos, & slippery floors To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3C007A12.9BC65136-AT- wi.mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: DavBarnert-AT- aol.com wrote: > I've seen two accordionists waltz with each other while each > played the instrument strapped to the other's back. I'm pretty > sure it was Mary Cay Brass and Andy Davis, but one or both of > those may be misremembered. Rick Mohr & David Titus did it at First Weekend at Pinewoods this past summer. It was hilarious! (but still doesn't help Ellen....unless she can strap a miniharp onto her partner's back...) CDS-Boston's Fall Favorites was held at the Arlington Town Hall this fall. It's a great hall, but the floor was incredibly slick. People tried changing shoes, danced barefoot, or just gave up & left because it was too dangerous. Chris & Brooke's Lament is quite appropriate to Arlington! --Deb ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 22:59:39 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 00:56:27 -0600 From: Paul Stamler Subject: Re: Worst surfaces danced on To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <003a01c1757e$4eb81320$4d284b0c-AT- paulstam> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <01KB37HY6VES9JD8FL-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> Hi folks: Contras on a concrete sidewalk on a college campus in the Upper Peninsula were probably my worst; since the sidewalk was on a hill, "up the set" took on a whole new meaning. And Petronella turns got weird in the third dimension. At that same festival another year I got food poisoning from a health-food stand -- my father the epidemiologist said in regard to the refried-bean-stuffed burrito that gave it to me (after sitting warm in the sun for several hours), "You couldn't get a better culture medium if you used agar." Still a great festival though (North Country Folk Festival) -- wish it had survived. Peace, Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 02:24:40 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 11:06:45 +0100 From: M Sheffield Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Fanny Power To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20011125110645.007cc430-AT- pop.wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: At 09:35 24/11/01 -0400, you wrote: > >A dance called "Fanny Power" [played in 3/4 time] and devised >by Ken Sheffield. >I(...) >played 4 x 32. No, 4x64, a lot of figures to get into one's head ! but worth working on. Martin, in Grenoble, France. http://perso.wanadoo.fr/scots.in.france/scd.htm (dance groups, events, some new dances ...) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 10:22:07 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 10:23:35 -0800 From: Paul / Victoria Bestock Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: bad floors To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20011125004344.00a3b350-AT- mail.oz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <20011123191153.93554.qmail-AT- web20002.mail.yahoo.com> Hi friends, I found it really hard to pick the worst floor in a long career of teaching and performing on inadequate surfaces. Was it the pebbles-in-cement that our Israeli troup performed on in bare feet? Was it the rubber gym floor that felt like you had suction cups on your shoes and caused two sprained ankles in one one-hour gig? It certainly was frustrating doing Appalaccian clogging on a rubber surface where you couldn't slide your foot back (it stuck) or make any noise! Maybe it was the dance camp floor that was too slippery at the top of the set and too sticky at the bottom where you encountered the glue of unwashed dining room floor full of pizza and pepsi? No, I know! It was the plywood platforms at an ethnic fest-- a large stage made of pieces of plywood mounted on separate, rickety, collapseable metal frames standing ten feet high off the ground. The sections weren't attached to each other, and there were radical differences in surface texture as well as differences in height from one section to the next. Our show started with a dance containing chugging. This moved the front row of platforms a few centimeters forward with each chug, so that by the end of the first piece, there was a gap wide enough for a whole leg to fall through. People fell through periodically all through the show, were hauled out and continued dancing. No one got seriously hurt-- a few splinters, a few scrapes on the shin--but it didn't look too professional stopping to drag someone back out of the hole every few measures. Actually there were multiple disasters in that show. One dancer got stuck in her costume and couldn't get out of it to change for the next number, which started without her. Fortunately I didn't wear my glasses so I didn't notice that one person was swinging an imaginary partner-- I only noticed that everyone looked more somber than they should, so I smiled at the audience. Everyone glared at me for smiling, so I thought if they are going to look that glum I'd better smile more to make up for it. People were pretty mad at me for not being mad at the person I didn't know wasn't there. In the middle of the show, the line of dancers in belt hold came forward very rapidly. I was at the end of the line. I tried to get unhooked from my neighbor but she didn't see trouble ahead and wouldn't let go. As the line progressed forward onto the apron, I got whomped into the procenium. Minor bruises, no blood, and the show must go on. At some point in the show I exited off one side of the stage and entered on the other 12 measures later wearing a different costume and different make-up. It took three people running backstage with me ripping some costume pieces off as we ran, velcroing other costume pieces on. Just before shoving me onstage someone attacked my face with cold cream, removing the make-up. No one died, and we came to the dramatic ending-- leap stomp, leap stomp, leap stomp moving forward. Since I wasn't wearing glasses, I didn't see the mike cord stretching diagonally in front of me. I made the transition across the gap and thought I was home free. Leap-stomp I went along with everyone else, stomping on the chord which caused the mike to fall sideways in front of me on the last beat of music. I dove for it, swooping down, against the resistance of my neighbor who thought I was starting the final bow too soon. I caught the mike two inches above the floor, preserving the company from the embarassment of the amplified clatter of its fall and the cost of replacing it, but getting me in trouble with the director for bowing too soon and ruining the ending. I'm still looking for a huge, sprung, slippery dance floor with no holes or bumps, in a well-ventilated room with a decent in-tune piano. Is that too much to ask? Victoria ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 10:51:35 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 13:50:59 -0500 From: "Emily L. Ferguson" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: bad floors To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <20011123191153.93554.qmail-AT- web20002.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.0.14.1.20011125004344.00a3b350-AT- mail.oz.net> Surely someone on the list can remember the story of the new floor's revenge - the one that gave rise to Fred Breunig's dance of the same name? I barely remember the outline of it now, it was so long ago. Someone help out here? ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 10:55:09 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 10:54:56 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: bad floors To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011125185456.56647.qmail-AT- web20002.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --- Paul / Victoria Bestock wrote: > I found it really hard to pick the worst floor in a long > career of teaching and performing on inadequate surfaces. > Was it... > > No, I know! It was the plywood platforms at an ethnic fest-- > a large stage made of pieces of plywood mounted on separate, > rickety, collapseable metal frames standing ten feet high off > the ground. The sections weren't attached to each other, and > there were radical differences in surface texture as well as > differences in height from one section to the next... Before I joined Reel Nutmeg, Jim Gregory invited me to perform ECD with a group up in Longmeadow MA which was put together for that one gig. Fortunately, that stage was only on foot high legs, as in the middle of Newcastle the platform I happened to be dancing on collapsed. I just sprang back up onto the adjacent platform and finished the dance, hardly missing a beat. Inspection after Newcastle revealed that _none_ of the legs were secured to _any_ of the platforms. It was made from plywood on 2x4 frames with foot high 2x4 legs. There was a bolt at each corner that the legs were stuck onto, but there were no nuts keeping the legs in place. We stood around for well over half an hour while someone went and got a bunch of nuts and the legs were secuered, then we finished the performance. Andy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 11:06:16 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 11:06:02 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: on accordian duos, & slippery floors To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011125190602.72114.qmail-AT- web20006.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --- Deb Karl wrote: > CDS-Boston's Fall Favorites was held at the Arlington Town > Hall this fall. It's a great hall, but the floor was > incredibly slick. People tried changing shoes, danced > barefoot, or just gave up & left because it was too dangerous. > Chris & Brooke's Lament is quite appropriate to Arlington! Janitorial staffs seem to think that the more polish and shine on a floor the better, which may be fine for putting a bunch of chairs out for a concert or meeting but it's the _last_ thing we want for dancing. The Sons of Norway Hall here in Portland has a beautiful floor that is plenty slippery for Scandinavian turning dnaces, but the Ballroom dancers still seem to have a need to make it even more slippery. Andy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:58:27 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:00:39 +0000 From: francis2 Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Worst surfaces danced on To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <000301c176b5$6648f4e0$e43e3c3e-AT- oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <01KB37HY6VES9JD8FL-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> Havn,t you US folks heard of 'slipstop'? Used by nearly all scottish dance clubs. Wonderful stuff !.Obtainable only from Scotland I believe. But excellent when you faced with a highly polished floor beloved of ballrooom dancers. For the worst surface ever danced on try the flints at the Singleton open air museum in Sussex England. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing" To: Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 11:12 PM Subject: Worst surfaces danced on > Gang -- > > Andy's question about the worst surface you've ever danced on seems like a > dangerous one in a group that includes morris dancers. > > In a morris dancing career which is not remotely exceptional, I can recall > dancing on dew-covered cobblestones, on the slick wet surface of a docked > ferry at the Hyde Street Pier, on extremely thick grass in front of > the Pelican Inn in Marin (absolutely beautiful location, incredibly > difficult to get any lift), on dust mixed with fine gravel and > less-hygienic material, in front of a horse barn at a historic farm - that > was where I went down and my index finger sprayed blood for the rest of the > dance - and, more than once, on gravel mixed with mud in the pre-dawn dark > at the Palo Alto Baylands. I wouldn't trade in any of those experiences, > but I wouldn't recommend any of those experiences. > > Outside of the morris-dance realm, my number-one choice of worst dance > surface in my experience is the dance floor at the Art Deco Society of > California Gatsby Summer Afternoon at Dunsmuir House in Oakland, where they > get a really fine, fine band - the Royal Society Jazz Orchestra - and then > assemble a dance floor from hotel-style tiles on a gently-sloping hillside > with no apparent attempt to level them. Each 24" square is fine (although > it may be of different slickness than the others), but the non-level > transitions between them and the fact that they creep apart during the > afternoon makes the overall quality really hideous, and for that matter > actively dangerous. > > Compared to this, hotel-ballroom carpets (which I've waltzed and > country-danced on more times than I can count when Regency dancing at sf > conventions; it's better than having a temporary floor too small for the > crowd) run a distant second in awfulness. > > -- Alan > > ============================================================================ === > Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU > Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 > Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 > ============================================================================ === > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:58:32 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 19:54:45 +0000 From: francis2 Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Worst surfaces danced on To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <000201c176b5$61a2c560$e43e3c3e-AT- oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <01KB37HY6VES9JD8FL-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing" To: Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 11:12 PM Subject: Worst surfaces danced on > Gang -- > > Andy's question about the worst surface you've ever danced on seems like a > dangerous one in a group that includes morris dancers. > > In a morris dancing career which is not remotely exceptional, I can recall > dancing on dew-covered cobblestones, on the slick wet surface of a docked > ferry at the Hyde Street Pier, on extremely thick grass in front of > the Pelican Inn in Marin (absolutely beautiful location, incredibly > difficult to get any lift), on dust mixed with fine gravel and > less-hygienic material, in front of a horse barn at a historic farm - that > was where I went down and my index finger sprayed blood for the rest of the > dance - and, more than once, on gravel mixed with mud in the pre-dawn dark > at the Palo Alto Baylands. I wouldn't trade in any of those experiences, > but I wouldn't recommend any of those experiences. > > Outside of the morris-dance realm, my number-one choice of worst dance > surface in my experience is the dance floor at the Art Deco Society of > California Gatsby Summer Afternoon at Dunsmuir House in Oakland, where they > get a really fine, fine band - the Royal Society Jazz Orchestra - and then > assemble a dance floor from hotel-style tiles on a gently-sloping hillside > with no apparent attempt to level them. Each 24" square is fine (although > it may be of different slickness than the others), but the non-level > transitions between them and the fact that they creep apart during the > afternoon makes the overall quality really hideous, and for that matter > actively dangerous. > > Compared to this, hotel-ballroom carpets (which I've waltzed and > country-danced on more times than I can count when Regency dancing at sf > conventions; it's better than having a temporary floor too small for the > crowd) run a distant second in awfulness. > > -- Alan > > ============================================================================ === > Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU > Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 > Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 > ============================================================================ === > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 22:42:19 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 22:47:10 -0800 From: Mary Luckhardt Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Contacting Brian Jenkins To: ECD List , me Mary Luckhardt Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Does anyone have contact information for Brian Jenkins? You can reply to me off-list at mary-AT- luckhardt.com. Thank you, Mary ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 07:27:38 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:26:38 -0500 From: Bree Kalb Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Virus alert To: Bree Kalb Message-ID: <002101c17757$fad66820$e583f7a5-AT- bertha> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I am sending this to every one in my address book since you may have received a virus from me. I received a message last night with a weird (empty) attachment. I scanned it with Norton before I attempted to open it and it found no virus, but now I'm getting messages from random folks I know that they received an empty message from me with an old subject header. I haven't figured out what this worm is but wanted to let all of you know so you can do your own scan. Sorry for the trouble. Bree ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:30:35 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:27:16 -0600 From: Paul Stamler Subject: Re: Virus alert To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <001a01c17760$61f07980$f32c4b0c-AT- paulstam> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <002101c17757$fad66820$e583f7a5-AT- bertha> <> What you have is called "badtrans.b", and it's been sweeping the world since it was discovered last Sat. in Germany. I got two copies of it yesterday, but by sheer luck managed to avoid infection. For information, go to: http://www.antivirus.com/pc-cillin/vinfo/virusencyclo/ and click on "badtrans.b" in the top 10 list, or: www.datafellows.com/v-descs/badtrs_b.shtml For a free virus-scan, go to: http://housecall.antivirus.com/housecall/start_pcc.asp And if you get *anything* with an attachment, unless it's something you're already expecting from someone you know, delete it without reading. Peace, Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:51:14 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:53:14 -0800 From: Norman Bradley Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: Virus alert To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Bree, I'm not sure which virus you may have had, BUT, I just received an email from Helene Cornelius with the subject "Re:Re: 1s cast down, 2s move up" that contained the W32/BadTrans.B-AT- mm virus. Norton found and quarantined it. The virus becomes active if you open OR PREVIEW the affected email. There was an article in InformationWeek's online daily saying that the virus and it's variant W32/BadTrans.B-mm have been reported in over 50 countries. The virus affects Microsoft Outlook and a patch (out2ksec.exe) has been available since June 2001. This new version will send email to, everybody in your address book AND reply to all unread messages. Then it will setup a Trojan horse that will collect password information and email it another address. Everyone should, on a regular basis, UPDATE YOUR VIRUS DEFINITIONS AND INSTALL UPDATES AND PATCHES! Norman Bradley -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecd-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU [mailto:owner-ecd-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU]On Behalf Of Bree Kalb Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 7:27 AM To: Bree Kalb Subject: Virus alert I am sending this to every one in my address book since you may have received a virus from me. I received a message last night with a weird (empty) attachment. I scanned it with Norton before I attempted to open it and it found no virus, but now I'm getting messages from random folks I know that they received an empty message from me with an old subject header. I haven't figured out what this worm is but wanted to let all of you know so you can do your own scan. Sorry for the trouble. Bree ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:07:48 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:07:59 -0500 From: SUSAN B BOOKER Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Virus problems To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <007201c17766$11a9e140$bd02ffd1-AT- oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I received two infected messages this morning, both of which were caught and quarantined by my Norton virus-catcher. One was from Marian Rose, and was addressed to many people, concerning her new email address. The other was from Helene Cornelius, and the attachment (which I read after it was safely quarantined - and I've double-checked my email and it's clean) was full of gobbledy-gook. I attempted to reply to all of the original addressees, but Helene's bounced - would someone please notify her of the problem? Thank you. Other undeliverables from Marian's list were suzanneg-AT- wolfnet.com, lavis_sj-AT- fnmail.com, and sshaw-AT- sd79.bc.ca I do not have these persons's names, but perhaps they or someone else will recognize these addresses. It appears that the ECD list or another dance list has become infected.... Susan Booker ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:11:59 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:08:41 -0600 From: Paul Stamler Subject: Re: Virus problems To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <000b01c17766$2af2a880$f32c4b0c-AT- paulstam> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <007201c17766$11a9e140$bd02ffd1-AT- oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: SUSAN B BOOKER << The other was from Helene Cornelius, and the attachment (which I read after it was safely quarantined - and I've double-checked my email and it's clean) was full of gobbledy-gook. I attempted to reply to all of the original addressees, but Helene's bounced - would someone please notify her of the problem? Thank you.>> The reason hers was undeliverable is probably that it had a leading underscore or blank space before the first letter. This virus seems to add those at random. Peace, Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:12:14 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:12:25 -0500 From: SUSAN B BOOKER Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Virus To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <00be01c17766$b0470b20$bd02ffd1-AT- oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Another message just bounced - this one was addressed to simply-accounting-AT- yahoogroups.com Evidently there were some old email addresses on Marian's list, but just in case, I thought it best to notify the list. Susan BTW, Helene's infected message was headed "Re: Memorable Balls and Dances", so it appears that the list of recipients originated via this list, since that was a topic of discussion a while back. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:30:30 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:28:47 -0500 From: Colin Hume <100116.165-AT- compuserve.com> Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Memorial Dance for Betty Chater To: ECD Mailing List Message-ID: <200111271730_MC3-E88F-3152-AT- compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I am forwarding this message from Brenda Godrich to the list, and apologise if someone else has already done so. This is a first notice of this event which I hope will be a chance for us all to get together and remember what a fine lady, teacher and caller Betty was. The best way we can commemorate this is through a dance and so that is what I am arranging, The date: Sunday 28th April 2002 The time: 1400 - 1800 The place: Cecil Sharp House The band will be led by Roger Nicols of Orange and Blue. Band members and callers will be any of you who wish to join in to celebrate your special thoughts of Betty. Musicians should contact Roger to tell him they wish to be in the band for the afternoon or a part of it. His phone number is 01234 357268 Callers please contact me - e-mail vic&brenda-AT- godrich.demon.co.uk or phone 0207 607 8975. The number of dances you will be able to do in your time will depend on the number of callers. I will need to know if you are coming early enough so that Roger can get music together so that all the band will be in the same key !! I hope you think this a good thing to be doing and that you will support it. Best wishes Brenda Godrich ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 14:33:23 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:33:01 -0500 (EST) From: OldTimeTim-AT- aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Carolan query To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <23.151e87a7.29356e9d-AT- aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_80MrYhQNh5RFeqTDT4jMrw)" --Boundary_(ID_80MrYhQNh5RFeqTDT4jMrw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Try any dance that requires a 32 bar waltz? --Boundary_(ID_80MrYhQNh5RFeqTDT4jMrw) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Try any dance that requires a 32 bar waltz? --Boundary_(ID_80MrYhQNh5RFeqTDT4jMrw)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 07:32:54 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:32:39 -0500 From: Sharon Green Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Yuletide Cotillion, 12/2/01 To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_PxKfHIujY2/jhW3wrEKvyg)" References: <23.151e87a7.29356e9d-AT- aol.com> --Boundary_(ID_PxKfHIujY2/jhW3wrEKvyg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT This Sunday, December 2nd, Country Dance*New York will hold its annual Yuletide Cotillion at New York's General Theological Seminary, 175 Ninth Avenue [between W.21st and W.22nd Streets], from 3-6pm. Featuring Helene Cornelius and Bare Necessities, the Cotillion is a lovely holiday party and grand reunion of dancing friends. Now, I'm not saying that it's your patriotic duty to come to New York and support the local economy. (That's Giuliani's line...) I'm just saying, "Do come and join us at the Cotillion. You'll be very welcome if you do." And, as Gloria Glaser, always says, "Bring food!" Much love, Sharon --Boundary_(ID_PxKfHIujY2/jhW3wrEKvyg) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Yuletide Cotillion, 12/2/01
This Sunday, December 2nd, Country Dance*New York will hold its annual Yuletide Cotillion at New York's General Theological Seminary, 175 Ninth Avenue [between W.21st and W.22nd Streets], from 3-6pm. Featuring Helene Cornelius and Bare Necessities, the Cotillion is a lovely holiday party and grand reunion of dancing friends. Now, I'm not saying that it's your patriotic duty to come to New York and support the local economy. (That's Giuliani's line...) I'm just saying, "Do come and join us at the Cotillion. You'll be very welcome if you do."

And, as Gloria Glaser, always says, "Bring food!"

Much love,

Sharon
--Boundary_(ID_PxKfHIujY2/jhW3wrEKvyg)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:22:18 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 16:34:20 +1100 From: Aylwen Subject: Re: Ellen's dilemma (waltzing while playing) To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <004b01c17897$81e5cb40$fb7f09d2-AT- earthly> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT This reminds me of my husband John Garden, who plays the bagpipe and/or hurdy gurdy while he teaches and dances! Once a member of the audience sat at the end of the stage while they were in concert, fearing he would fall off stage - he moves around a lot! BTW, he was a dancer and then a dance teacher before he became a musician! Cheers, Aylwen Garden http://www.earthlydelights.com.au -----Original Message----- From: DavBarnert-AT- aol.com To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Date: Sunday, 25 November 2001 9:16 Subject: Ellen's dilemma (waltzing while playing) Andy wrote: >I once read a book in which the fiddler waltzed with a partner >while fiddling. I still haven't figured out how one could do >that. I've seen fiddlers that could dance while playing (Fred >Breunig can do a rapper step while playing), but not with a >partner. I've seen two accordionists waltz with each other while each played the instrument strapped to the other's back. I'm pretty sure it was Mary Cay Brass and Andy Davis, but one or both of those may be misremembered. ______ /\/\/\/\ <______> | | | | | David Barnert <______> | | | | | <______> | | | | | Albany, N.Y. <______> \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:24:18 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:28:49 +0100 From: Philippe Callens Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Sheffield and Claygate To: ECD discussion list Message-ID: <3C05F1C1.3CD58D22-AT- uia.ua.ac.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Paul Hutchinson, accordionist with Belshazzar's Feast, asked me to post this on the list. These are their launching dances of their new CD. You can check it out at http://www.2pauls.com Here it is: "Belshazzar's Feast are in Sheffield on Saturday evening 15th December with Andrew Shaw, and at Claygate (Surrey) on Sunday afternoon 16th December with Philippe Callens. Sorry we are right out of Gold and Frankincense at the moment - and we don't know any virgins either." For help and advice, please contact me. Paul Hutchinson Upper Cefn-y-Pwll, Abermule, Montgomery. SY15 6JN welshpaul-AT- lineone.net 01686-630419 Hoover the Dog Belshazzar's Feast Cwm Dancing ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 05:08:55 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 08:08:39 -0500 (EST) From: "Susan R. Lorand" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Trenton, NJ, this Friday: Scott Higgs & Bare Necessities To: ECD mailing list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sharon's posting about the CDNY winter cotillion reminds me to announce that you can also dance to Bare Necessities this Friday night, November 30, in Trenton, NJ, USA. Scott Higgs is the caller. (This 5th Fri. replaces LCD's first Friday English dance in December; first Friday English dances resume in January at Princeton Friends School.) Time: 8-11 p.m. Place: Bethany Presbyterian Church, Hamilton & Chestnut Aves., Trenton, NJ (directions below) Footwear: Clean, non-marking, soft-soled shoes For more info: e-mail me BY 4 PM FRIDAY. --Susie Lorand -------------------------------------------- Directions to Bethany Presbyterian Church 400 Hamilton Ave, Trenton, NJ 08609 By car: From U.S. Rte. 1 (traveling north or south), take the downtown Trenton exit marked ``Train Station / Market St. / State St. / Rte. 33'' On the exit ramp, follow the signs for Rte. 33 EAST (there will be a few turns); Rte. 33 becomes Greenwood Avenue. About 4/10 mile from where the exit ramp puts you onto Rte. 33, turn RIGHT at a traffic light onto Chestnut Ave. Go two blocks to Hamilton Ave. Bethany Church is a brick building on your left; you can park in the parking lot of the Fleet Bank across Chestnut Street from the church. Street parking is also available. NOTE: from Philadelphia, you can take I-95 to route 1. From NYC, you can take the NJ turnpike to exit 9 (New Brunswick) and get on Route 1 south -- it's at least another half hour from there. By train: Take SEPTA, NJTransit, or Amtrak to the Trenton station. Cabs are available; the station is about a mile from the church, which is at the corner of Hamilton and Chestnut. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 06:46:50 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:45:07 -0500 (EST) From: Dfhart24-AT- aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Ellen's dilemma (waltzing while playing) To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_MVl+Wqzy7JSmO+v8VSa/XQ)" --Boundary_(ID_MVl+Wqzy7JSmO+v8VSa/XQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 11/29/2001 12:23:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, garden-AT- earthlydelights.com.au writes: > BTW, he was a dancer and then a dance teacher before he became a musician! > Cheers, Aylwen Garden Good to hear there are others who have come to music, by way of the dance. I never used to understand why one would *want* to sit and play music while one could be dancing. - dfh --Boundary_(ID_MVl+Wqzy7JSmO+v8VSa/XQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 11/29/2001 12:23:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, garden-AT- earthlydelights.com.au writes:

BTW, he was a dancer and then a dance teacher before he became a musician!
Cheers, Aylwen Garden

Good to hear there are others who have come to music, by way of the dance.

I never used to understand why one would *want* to sit and play music while one could be dancing. - dfh --Boundary_(ID_MVl+Wqzy7JSmO+v8VSa/XQ)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 07:37:54 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 10:31:43 -0500 From: Beatrice Huppert Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Ellen's dilemma (waltzing while playing) To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011129.103145.-3767051.1.bhuppert-AT- juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I was playing recorder before dancing, but not dance music, only EM stuff, and at recorder soc. meeting, I was introduced to the dance and the music. After starting to dance, dance became most important, while playing for the dance a desultory sometimes thing, although I do sit in with CDW usually for the first half of the evening, but I am only an adjunct to the group This weekend we are doing triple header dancing with Bare Necessities, tomorrow in Trenton with Scott Higgs, Saturday the Germantown Ball in PA, and Sunday, the NYC Winter Cotillion with Helene C. Probably exhausting. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 13:44:02 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 16:43:15 -0500 (EST) From: susan-AT- generalist.org (Susan) Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Quadrille in NYC Sunday To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU CC: susan-AT- generalist.org Message-ID: <20011129214315.B87E767C9-AT- generalist.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT This is slightly off-topic but since we were discussing quadrilles recently... This Sunday in New York City I will be teaching the Lancers' Quadrille, all five figures, based on the instructions in Hillgrove (1863). This will take place at the rather grungy Charas Community Center, in the East Village, from 2pm to 4pm, at a cost of $8.00. No experience is needed, although regular country dancers will generally have an advantage in recognizing the figures. For more information, either drop me an email *before 10am Saturday* or see our group's webpage at: http://www.elegantarts.org/ This also has a link to directions to Charas. I'm going to be in NYC most of Saturday researching 16th century Italian dance at the NYPL. (This has nothing to do with ECD, it's just a Cool Dance Thing.) Susan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 14:12:59 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 17:06:54 -0500 From: Beatrice Huppert Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Quadrille in NYC Sunday To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011129.170657.-3744261.1.bhuppert-AT- juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Although I cannot attend on Sunday, as I will be at the CDNY Christmas Cotillion, but I would like hear about the group and future events.. Thank you. Beatrice Huppert ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 04:40:33 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:50:30 -0500 From: Allison M Thompson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: folk dance? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20011130.074029.-1841107.1.AllisonThompson-AT- juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Oh, hey, again I just got this & need to digest this, but I think I may have some material, insights/opinions for you on this topic, at least in the U.S. of A. A. On Thu, 22 Nov 2001 15:56:38 -0500 "Stephen D. Corrsin" writes: > A recent comment on the list: > > "To recall a brief discussion about Danish dance a while back > (which I took it off list when I replied to Pat), I inquired of > a friend in Seattle about his studies of Scandinavian dance, and > he confirmed our discussion that the Danish dances that we know > today are mainly 19th C. dances influenced by ECD (and possibly > the French and Germans?). There are scholars trying to trace the > old folk dances of Denmark, but finding any trace of them is > quite difficult. I would suspect that pre-19th C. dances of > Denmark might be similar to the old dances of southern Norway, > since that area of Norway was, at times, historically a part of > Denmark. The Norwegians, Swedes and Finns, being more isolated, > may have retained their old dances (and music) while Denmark's > were being influenced by dances from other countries to their > south." > > **** > > I'll chip in here that I've given up trying to find what "folk > dances" are. > I've reached this conclusion as I'm writing my next book, > tentatively > entitled "Theory, Ideology, and Myth in the 'Folk Dance Revival', > 1870-1945." (My wife calls it "Dancing Fascists," which should give > a few > clues.) > > I would conclude that "folk dance" is an impossible category. It > begs too > many questions, e.g., who are the "folk"? Also, the idea of anything > "folk" > bears with a very strong, but rarely or not at all explicitly > addressed, > nationalistic content. That is, that there are specific "Danish" or > "English" or "American" cultural forms (in an ethno-national sense, > not > geographic.) Which is not valid when one starts serious > investigation. For > example, there are dances which were done in the country known as > Denmark, > thus in a geographical sense, but how one gets "Danish" that is > ethnically > purely Danish is beyond me. > Obviously there are Danish dances, or English dances, in the sense > of dances > that originated from or were / are found in those countries. (Let's > skip the > ethnic bit, and settle for geography.) And there are types of > dances, such > as those called "Playford," or Morris, sword, whatever. But how can > a > larger, overarching category of "folk dances" be constructed > therefrom? > Hence the constant unsatisfactory attempts to define, from E. > Phillips > Barker to G. Kurath and beyond. > > Incidentally, the idea that isolation = preservation doesn't work > either. > Isolation is, first of all, never perfect, especially not in modern > Europe. > And second of all, isolation is likely to produce signal drift in > cultural > forms, rather than stability. > > sincerely (hey, I don't make this stuff up!) > Steve Corrsin > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 11:57:04 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 19:51:23 +0000 From: Trevor Monson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Fw: Sheffield and Claygate To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU, efdsstalk-AT- netservs.com Message-ID: <006d01c179d9$357049a0$eb9901d4-AT- trevormo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT With reference to the Sheffield dance, if you're not sure how to get to the hall please have a look at the Folk in South Yorkshire (FISY) web page at www.fisy.freeserve.co.uk This has links to a map showing where the hall is. (St. Thomas More Church Hall, Margetson Crescent, Parson Cross, Sheffield. Dance starts at 7.30 pm. - haven't found any virgins yet. Trevor Monson ----- Original Message ----- From: Philippe Callens To: ECD discussion list Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 8:28 AM Subject: Sheffield and Claygate > Paul Hutchinson, accordionist with Belshazzar's Feast, asked me to post > this on the list. These are their launching dances of their new CD. You > can check it out at http://www.2pauls.com > > Here it is: > > "Belshazzar's Feast are in Sheffield on Saturday evening 15th December > with > Andrew Shaw, and at Claygate (Surrey) on > Sunday afternoon 16th December with Philippe Callens. Sorry we are right > out > of Gold and Frankincense at the moment - and we don't know any virgins > either." > > For help and advice, please contact me. > > Paul Hutchinson > Upper Cefn-y-Pwll, > Abermule, > Montgomery. > SY15 6JN > > welshpaul-AT- lineone.net > > 01686-630419 > > Hoover the Dog > Belshazzar's Feast > Cwm Dancing _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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