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This is spot-on, in my view:                                                 
                                                                 
http://www.cato.org/dailys/10-01-01.html                                     
                                                                Michael 
Serafin                                                       Chicopee,MA.

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That sounds like it must be something other than Michael Johnson's tune
"Spoon River" from the Spoon River Anthology... which is a lovely slow
waltz: 
"All of the riverboat gamblers are losing their shirts
 and all of the brave Union soldier-boys sleep in the dirt
 you know and I know there never was reason to hurt
 since all of our lives are entwined to begin with,
 here in Spoon River..."
which is somewhere in sourthern Illinois near Ohio, I b'lieve.
Claudia Scmidt has recorded it...

Is there a source for the tune your thinking of, Paul?

love,
Ruth

Paul Stamler wrote:
>  
> Meanwhile, has anyone ever composed a dance to "Spoon River"? Lovely tune.
> AABB. Collected somewhere in the USA but sounds English, but also sounds
> very much like the "United States March" fife-and-drum tune we played during
> the 1776-1783 unpleasantness. Percy Grainger made a nice orchestral setting.
> 
> Peace,
> Paul
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<<That sounds like it must be something other than Michael Johnson's tune
"Spoon River" from the Spoon River Anthology... which is a lovely slow
waltz:
"All of the riverboat gamblers are losing their shirts
 and all of the brave Union soldier-boys sleep in the dirt
 you know and I know there never was reason to hurt
 since all of our lives are entwined to begin with,
 here in Spoon River..."
which is somewhere in sourthern Illinois near Ohio, I b'lieve.
Claudia Scmidt has recorded it...>>

A lovely song; my occasional performing partner Nancy Liebl sings it.

<<Is there a source for the tune your thinking of, Paul?>>

The only one I know of under the title "Spoon River" is the Percy Grainger
setting, available on various discs of his works; I believe it's been
recorded both in its orchestral form (by the Bournemouth Symphonietta, on
Chandos) and as a piano reduction. As "United States March", it was found in
a book of Revolutionary War fife-and-drum tunes that some friends of mine
bought at the Battle Ground (IN) festival about 25 years ago, but I don't
know what the book was called. Learned the tune from a tape by that band.
Sorry to be so vague; tunes move around that way sometimes.

Peace,
Paul



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On Mon, 1 Oct 2001, Michael Serafin wrote:

> This is spot-on, in my view:                                                 
>                                                                  
> http://www.cato.org/dailys/10-01-01.html                                     

Well, in my view, it's just exactly what I would have expected from the
Cato Institute.  I think THIS is spot-on, myself:

  http://www.ucomics.com/boondocks/viewbo.cfm?uc_fn=1&uc_full_date=20010928&uc_daction=X&uc_comic=bo

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As one of the many on this list who have sat patiently
through many off-topic discussions over the past
month, let me ask the question that perhaps our
esteemed moderator should be asking:  Do we *really*
want to head down this trail?

Unless I missed something, there is no predictive
political viewpoint that can be associated with lovers
of English Country Dance.  Hawks and Doves,
Republicans and Democrats all have representatives in
the genre.  To assume that everybody is of like mind
on matters political is, to my way of thinking, pure
folly.  Heck, we can't even agree on topics related to
English Dance.

To wander off topic and into the quagmire of political
debate seems to me to be fraught with problems.

Now if we all decide to play hardball, then I can
pitch with the best of 'em. 

But I really don't think that's what we're here for.

McDjr

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Well said, William. -- C

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As one of the many on this list who have sat patiently
through many off-topic discussions over the past
month, let me ask the question that perhaps our
esteemed moderator should be asking:  Do we *really*
want to head down this trail?

Unless I missed something, there is no predictive
political viewpoint that can be associated with lovers
of English Country Dance.  Hawks and Doves,
Republicans and Democrats all have representatives in
the genre.  To assume that everybody is of like mind
on matters political is, to my way of thinking, pure
folly.  Heck, we can't even agree on topics related to
English Dance.

To wander off topic and into the quagmire of political
debate seems to me to be fraught with problems.

Now if we all decide to play hardball, then I can
pitch with the best of 'em. 

But I really don't think that's what we're here for.

McDjr

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Let's dance together.
And sing together.
And play music together.
Rejoice together when we're glad.
Grieve together when we need to.

_That's_ what the list is for.
_That's_ what holds us together.

Thanks for your post, William.

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At the risk of seeming arch, let me remind us all of one of the stories
that surround the beginnings of the Trojan war. At the wedding of Peleus
and Thetis, Eris, the spirit of Strife, threw into the middle of the
assembly of gods the infamous apple on which appeared the words *For the
Fairest*--leading by direct stages to the Judgement of Paris, the abduction
of Helen, and the Trojan conflict itself.
But long before blood was shed, Strife had turned the gods against each
other.

We have been brought together by a common interest in English Country
Dance. I don't doubt that many or even all of us could find further common
interests. Do we also differ? Yes: without a doubt. And this has long been
true--ECD has been danced by Torys and Whigs, by pro-American-Independence
activists, and their political adversaries--and so on.

It is perfectly natural for us to be open, at such a time, about our
griefs, our anxieties, our hopes, and our intentions. But let us also
remember that the mere prospect of war brings discord--not the malefactors,
not our administration, not our allies, not our policies or anyone
else's--war *itself* does this. Let us remain united by our *common*
interests--and steer as near as can be to *those* interests--and not permit
strife to separate us from dance--or from each other.

Graham Christian
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The following appeared on the Morris Dance Discussion List the
other day. I offered to repost it here, and the author has taken
me up on it. Following the post is a paragraph from his note to me
that I think ought to go with it. I will forward all responses.

  ______      /\/\/\/\
 <______>     | | | | |  David Barnert
 <______>     | | | | |  <davbarnert-AT-
aol.com>
 <______>     | | | | |  Albany, N.Y.
 <______>     \/\/\/\/

Ventilator   Concertina
  Bellows      Bellows
(Vocation)   (Avocation)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Date:    Sat, 29 Sep 2001 10:36:35 -0700
From:    Norman Stanfield <nlstanfield-AT-
HOME.COM>
Subject: Sharp and Country Dance

We know that Sharp was hugely impressed when he saw his first morris dance
in Headington in 1899, and heard his first folksong in Somerset in 1903.

Is there any record or information about his encounter with country dance,
resulting in the collection labeled Part 1 (first published in 1909,
separate from Part 2-6) in his 6-part set of Country Dances? (The other
volumes are descriptions of Playford dances and Running Set dances from
Kentucky.)  One source says he learned (some of?) them from Kimber, another
records the various counties where they were collected.  His encounter seems
to have occurred some time circa 1905.

I don't have ready access to his biography written by Ms. Maud.  Maybe she
tells the story.



Norman Stanfield
School of Music / www.music.ubc.ca
University of British Columbia
Vancouver, B.C., Canada

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Addendum:

I suspect that at the time C# started collecting, the "people" were well
past country dances, and into the latest quadrilles, cotillions, etc., not
to mention polkas, waltzes, and other new-fandangled couple-dances in random
floor patterns.  Of course, there is the ever popular step-dance as well,
which probably best suits the mood and room of most socializing among the
working classes.
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In a message dated 10/1/01 7:00:57 AM,TomRVincent-AT-
yahoo.com writes:

>How about an evening with dances implying a decidedly different form of
>refreshment? ;>
>
<snip>

>Successful Campaign

Alixe Dancer taught this one this past weekend at the Heather and Rose 
weekend in Eugene, and it's a really wonderful dance which deserves to be 
done more.  

Nilos, footsore but smiling
PS I notice nobody made the "Barbarini's Tangerine" joke.  Apparently I can't 
leave you people alone for a minute....
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In a message dated 10/1/01 7:00:57 AM,TomRVincent-AT-
yahoo.com writes:

>How about an evening with dances implying a decidedly different form of
>refreshment? ;>
>
<snip>

>Successful Campaign

Alixe Dancer taught this one this past weekend at the Heather and Rose 
weekend in Eugene, and it's a really wonderful dance which deserves to be 
done more.  

Nilos, footsore but smiling
PS I notice nobody made the "Barbarini's Tangerine" joke.  Apparently I can't 
leave you people alone for a minute....
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--- Tideswell-AT-
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> Nilos, footsore but smiling

I'll bet you don't look to be in as much in pain as the young
guy I saw downtown today wearing a "Finished the Portland
Marathon" T-shirt, which was on Sunday morning. He could barely
walk. I don't remember being that bad off after a whole week of
dancing.

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I enjoyed my annual pilgrimage to the Heritage Festival
close to Philadelphia, PA.  There's always LOTS of English
dancing, and it was good to see many familiar faces, and to
touch base on personal matters as well as those other 
events.  There's also a  round singing session which I always
look forward to putting together, and another rounds 
tradition as well -- stopping by nearby Swarthmore College
Sunday night, for more singing with a delightful bunch of
college students.

There were a number of rounds I put aside for another time.
I didn't have the heart to do the Victorian round, "Mourn for 
the Thousands Slain", and I'll wait a while before I get back
to the wonderful "Bless Them That Curse You".  There *was* 
one that was especially appropriate, a glorious life-affirming 
piece that reminds us how much we need each other.  Long ago 
I changed the original "drink" to "dance"; do it either way,
depending upon the occasion.  Here are the words --

Oh, my friends, the night is long; one more dance, one more song!

There's still time before we part   for one toast   from the heart:

"Here's to life and may it bring   friends to dance with, songs to sing!"

A fine round.  It *is* in the pink book, but if you'd like a copy with
the
music, just send me a SASE at the address below.  


+++++Sol "Roundman"  Weber --- "So many rounds, so little time"
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William McDonald wrote:

> As one of the many on this list who have sat patiently
> through many off-topic discussions over the past
> month, let me ask the question that perhaps our
> esteemed moderator should be asking:  Do we *really*
> want to head down this trail?

> Unless I missed something, there is no predictive
> political viewpoint that can be associated with lovers
> of English Country Dance.  Hawks and Doves,
> Republicans and Democrats all have representatives in
> the genre.  To assume that everybody is of like mind
> on matters political is, to my way of thinking, pure
> folly.  Heck, we can't even agree on topics related to
> English Dance.

> To wander off topic and into the quagmire of political
> debate seems to me to be fraught with problems.

> Now if we all decide to play hardball, then I can
> pitch with the best of 'em.

> But I really don't think that's what we're here for.

I think this is close to exactly right.  

(Minor erratum: William calls me a moderator, which has a technical meaning in
mailing list land of "one who examines  and approves posts before they go
out to the list membership".  This isn't a moderated list, so I'm not a 
moderator.  I'm the list-owner.)

(More difficult: Some political discussion is on-topic.  (Gender balance
and fragrance-freedom come to mind.)

(I also think Graham Christian, in a later post, has good points.)

-- Alan


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But I *still* want to know if May Gadd was --

Oh.....never mind.

Marian Phillips
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>
> At the risk of seeming arch, let me remind us all of one of the stories
> that surround the beginnings of the Trojan war. At the wedding of Peleus
> and Thetis, Eris, the spirit of Strife, threw into the middle of the
> assembly of gods the infamous apple on which appeared the words *For the
> Fairest*--leading by direct stages to the Judgement of Paris, the
abduction
> of Helen, and the Trojan conflict itself.
> But long before blood was shed, Strife had turned the gods against each
> other.
>
> We have been brought together by a common interest in English Country
> Dance. I don't doubt that many or even all of us could find further common
> interests. Do we also differ? Yes: without a doubt. And this has long been
> true--ECD has been danced by Torys and Whigs, by pro-American-Independence
> activists, and their political adversaries--and so on.
>
> It is perfectly natural for us to be open, at such a time, about our
> griefs, our anxieties, our hopes, and our intentions. But let us also
> remember that the mere prospect of war brings discord--not the
malefactors,
> not our administration, not our allies, not our policies or anyone
> else's--war *itself* does this. Let us remain united by our *common*
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Alan wrote:

>(Minor erratum: William calls me a moderator, which
has a technical meaning in mailing list land of "one
who examines  and approves posts before they go out to
the list membership".  This isn't a moderated list, so
I'm not a moderator.  I'm the list-owner.)<

My use of the term, however, was intentional.  I was
referencing the concept of moderator in it's broadest
sense: "One who arbitrates: Mediator.  One who
presides over an assembly, meeting or discussion."

However, as I consult Websters, it turns out there is
another definition that perhaps fits as well: "A
substance used for slowing down a nuclear reaction."
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Paul:

 >Meanwhile, has anyone ever composed a dance to "Spoon River"?
 >Lovely tune. AABB. Collected somewhere in the USA but sounds
 >English, but also sounds very much like the "United States
 >March" fife-and-drum tune we played during the 1776-1783
 >unpleasantness. Percy Grainger made a nice orchestral setting.

Ruth:

 >That sounds like it must be something other than Michael
 >Johnson's tune "Spoon River" from the Spoon River Anthology...
 >which is a lovely slow waltz:
 >"All of the riverboat gamblers are losing their shirts
 > and all of the brave Union soldier-boys sleep in the dirt
 > you know and I know there never was reason to hurt
 > since all of our lives are entwined to begin with,
 > here in Spoon River..."

Paul, again:

 >The only one I know of under the title "Spoon River" is the
 >Percy Grainger setting...

I haven't heard the music to "Spoon River Anthology" in a very
long time, but I grew up virtually glued to my parents' recording
of the Broadway production of the 1960s (Jason Robards, et al.).
None of the above seems familiar to me. The song I remember called
"Spoon River" was indeed in a moderate 3/4, but doesn't seem
waltzy. The refrain ended with the words:

  It haunts me, it hunts me
    Wherever I roam -
  Spoon River, Spoon River
    Is calling me home.

Is this the same song?

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>...The song I remember called
>"Spoon River" was indeed in a moderate 3/4, but doesn't seem
>waltzy. The refrain ended with the words:
>
>  It haunts me, it hunts me
>    Wherever I roam -
>  Spoon River, Spoon River
>    Is calling me home.
>
>Is this the same song?

having sung that one in a production of Spoon River in the 1980s, i would
say "No" with moderate confidence. the lyrics that were quoted earlier
don't scan with the tune for the one that Dave quotes here.

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 >The only one I know of under the title "Spoon River" is the
 >Percy Grainger setting...

<<I haven't heard the music to "Spoon River Anthology" in a very
long time, but I grew up virtually glued to my parents' recording
of the Broadway production of the 1960s (Jason Robards, et al.).
None of the above seems familiar to me. The song I remember called
"Spoon River" was indeed in a moderate 3/4, but doesn't seem
waltzy. The refrain ended with the words:

  It haunts me, it hunts me
    Wherever I roam -
  Spoon River, Spoon River
    Is calling me home.

Is this the same song? >>

Nope. This is a tune, no words that I know of. And it has no connection
(other than taking its name from the same river) that I know of with Edgar
Lee Masters' "Spoon River Anthology" or any of its reworkings, as it was
collected well before he wrote that. Nor with the pop-folk song of the same
name. This was collected, I believe, mid-nineteenth century.

Peace,
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Hi folks:

I've found more about the fiddle tune "Spoon River". But first, let's parse
out what we have:

1) A fiddle tune called "Spoon River". Percy Grainger arranged it for
orchestra, also for piano (single and dual). It's almost identical to
"United States March", from the period of our Revolutionary War. Recordings
of Grainger's piece have been issued on Chandos, Hyperion, Polygram and
Nimbus. Frank Erickson also did a wind-band arrangement of the same tune.

2) A collection of poems by Edgar Lee Masters, "Spoon River Anthology",
published 1916.

3) A musical based on Masters' work. (Which, I hope, had its original cast
recording released on Columbia.)

4) A pop-folk song composed in the 1970s or 1980s, also based on Masters'
work. I think it was by Michael Smith, but may be wrong about that.

5) A river in Illinois that gave its name to all of the above.

Okay. I did a Google search on "spoon river Grainger" and found a link to a
contemporary composer, Paul Cohen, who has re-arranged Grainger's piece for
saxophone ensemble (Grainger had a thing for saxophones). On his site, he
notes:

"Spoon River was known as a 19th century American fiddle tune and was first
heard by Captain Charles H. Robinson at a country dance in Bradford Illinois
in 1857. He sent it on to Edgar Lee Masters, the author of the poem
anthology Spoon River, and Masters in turn passed it along to Grainger. It
was published as the second in Grainger¹s projected series of American
Folk-Music Settings."

So that places the first collection of the fiddle tune (under that name) 49
years before "Spoon River Anthology" was published.

Cohen also posts the first few pages of his arrangement; if you want to
follow the tune, it's carried on the Alto I and either Tenor or Soprano
lines (usually call-and-response, with the call being Alto I).

As I've said, this would make a great tune for a dance, either in its "U.S.
March" or "Spoon River" version or some hybrid (the only real difference is
in the first "call" of the A part). I'd be pleased to send it (via
snail-mail) to anyone interested.

Peace,
Paul

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Congratulations, Bob, that is great news!

I was too shy to say so before, but I'll follow Bob's lead and say 
that I had a daughter, Fiona, born on July 25th.  She's attended one 
English dance so far and was sufficiently soothed by the music to 
stay asleep almost the whole time.


Emma


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>  > announcements, birth announcements connected to community members have such
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>
>Since Alan has given us such a great lead in I feel obliged to
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>of each other and get married in Seattle next year.
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Philippe,

Steve Hunt has some of the books. His e-mail is steve.hunt1-AT-
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I have a friend in New Zealand who would like the dance notation for
Lady Catherine Ogle. Can anybody help, please.

Regards,

Graham Knight

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> Congratulations, Bob, that is great news!

> I was too shy to say so before, but I'll follow Bob's lead and say
> that I had a daughter, Fiona, born on July 25th.  

Many congratulations!


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This is Allen, just lurking here...yes, the song which was quoted earlier
(waltzy, etc.) is indeed by Michael Smith, Chicagoland singer/songwriter.
I believe Claudia Schmidt recorded it on an album 15-20 years ago.  At any
rate, it's not the Grainger music originally discussed, nor is it the song
in the Spoon River production Maryn mentioned!

   best regards
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--- Paul Stamler <pstamler-AT-
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> 1) A fiddle tune called "Spoon River". Percy Grainger arranged
> it for orchestra, also for piano (single and dual). It's
almost
> identical to "United States March", from the period of our
> Revolutionary War.

Which raised a question as to exactly when the first use of the
name "United States" occurred in describing the 13 Colonies that
were revolting against the British.

In the Articles of Confederation, "Agreed to by Congress 15
November 1777 In force after ratification by Maryland, 1 March
1781 " <http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/artconf.htm>
the first article states: 
The Stile of this Confederacy shall be "The United States of
America".
Does anyone know if the name was used at any time before that to
describe the Continental Congress and the Continental Army they
(sort of) financed?

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----- Original Message -----
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<<In the Articles of Confederation, "Agreed to by Congress 15
November 1777 In force after ratification by Maryland, 1 March
1781 " <http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/artconf.htm>
the first article states:
The Stile of this Confederacy shall be "The United States of
America".
Does anyone know if the name was used at any time before that to
describe the Continental Congress and the Continental Army they
(sort of) financed?>>

It's in the Declaration of Independence, twice, plus the phrase "United
States" is in the postscript.

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 >It's in the Declaration of Independence, twice...

With a small u.

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I am preparing a new edition of the book of 20 country dances from the
period 1713 - 1820 with references to Holland in their titles selected,
edited and described by Pat Shaw. This book with its distinctive grey cover
was published by the Dutch Folk Dance Society in 1960 and it and its
reprints are now sold out.

The new edition, in which I am being helped by Marjorie Fennessy and Nicolas
Broadbridge, will present the dance descriptions in a more modern way. The
music will be chorded and facsimiles of the original dance descriptions will
be included. In addition there will be a discography and it is in the
preparation of this last that I ask help from the list. I would like to
include all commercially issued recordings whether they are still available
or not.

1. The Dutch Skipper (no known recording)
2.  Holland’s Ginn  (no known recording)
3.  Zealand  -- The Kenton Ramblers on the LP “The Next Dance is…”
4.  Prince William (i) -- The Assembly Players on the CD “A Walsh Ball” and
?? on the LP “Popular English Country Dances of the 17th and 18th Centuries”
5.  The Nassau -- The Assembly Players on the CD “A Walsh Ball”
6.  Auretti’s Dutch Skipper -- The Canterbury Country Dance Orchestra on LP
title??
7.  La Ballet Hollandoise (no known recording)
8.  The Dutchman -- Steve Hunt on the CD "Good Man of Cambridge" and The
West Kirby Band on the cassette “Not Quite Dutch”
9.  Prince William (ii) (no known recording)
10.  Prince William’s Return  (no known recording)
11a.  Dutch Pins (no known recording)
11b.  Dutch Dollars -- The Assembly Players on the CD “Dance & Danceability”
12.  Helder Point (i)  (no known recording)
13.  Helder’s Point (ii)   (no known recording)
14.  The Texel   (no known recording)
15.  A Trip to the Texel   (no known recording)
16.  Admiral Mitchell’s Waltz or  A Rout in the Texel (no known recording)
17.  The Texel Island   (no known recording)
18.  Walcheren Waltz  (no known recording)
19.  Up with the Orange (Oranje boven)  (no known recording)
20.  Juliana I, III and IV -- The Assembly Players on the CD “Dance &
Danceability” and The Kenton Ramblers on the LP “The Next Dance is… Vol. 2”
       Juliana II (no known recording)

If anyone can provide the text for the question marks and point me in the
direction of any other recordings, I'd be pleased to hear about it.

Antony Heywood
The Netherlands
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<DIV><SPAN class=840424107-03102001><FONT face=Arial>I am preparing a new 
edition of the book of 20 country dances from the period 1713 - 1820 with 
references to Holland in their titles selected, edited and described by Pat 
Shaw. This book with its distinctive grey cover was published by the Dutch Folk 
Dance Society in 1960 and it and its reprints are now sold 
out.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840424107-03102001><FONT face=Arial></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840424107-03102001><FONT face=Arial>The new edition, in which I 
am being helped by Marjorie Fennessy and Nicolas Broadbridge, will present the 
dance descriptions in a more modern way. The music will be chorded and 
facsimiles of the original dance descriptions will be included. In addition 
there will be a discography and it is in the preparation of this last that I ask 
help from the list. I would like to include all commercially issued recordings 
whether they are still available or not.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840424107-03102001><FONT face=Arial></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840424107-03102001><FONT face=Arial>1.&nbsp;The Dutch Skipper 
(no known recording)<BR>2. &nbsp;Holland&#8217;s Ginn&nbsp; (no known recording)<BR>3. 
&nbsp;Zealand&nbsp; -- The Kenton Ramblers on the LP &#8220;The Next Dance is&#8230;&#8221;<BR>4. 
&nbsp;Prince William (i) -- The Assembly Players on the CD &#8220;A Walsh Ball&#8221; and ?? 
on the LP &#8220;Popular English Country Dances of the 17th and 18th Centuries&#8221;<BR>5. 
&nbsp;The Nassau -- The Assembly Players on the CD &#8220;A Walsh Ball&#8221;<BR>6. 
&nbsp;Auretti&#8217;s Dutch Skipper -- The Canterbury Country Dance Orchestra on LP 
title??<BR>7. &nbsp;La Ballet Hollandoise (no known recording)<BR>8. &nbsp;The 
Dutchman -- Steve Hunt on the CD "Good Man of Cambridge" and The West Kirby Band 
on the cassette &#8220;Not Quite Dutch&#8221;<BR>9. &nbsp;Prince William (ii) (no known 
recording)<BR>10. &nbsp;Prince William&#8217;s Return&nbsp; (no known 
recording)<BR>11a. &nbsp;Dutch Pins (no known recording)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840424107-03102001><FONT face=Arial>11b.&nbsp;&nbsp;Dutch 
Dollars -- The Assembly Players on the CD &#8220;Dance &amp; Danceability&#8221;<BR>12. 
&nbsp;Helder Point (i)&nbsp; (no known recording)<BR>13. &nbsp;Helder&#8217;s Point 
(ii)&nbsp;&nbsp; (no known recording)<BR>14. &nbsp;The Texel&nbsp;&nbsp; (no 
known recording)<BR>15. &nbsp;A Trip to the Texel&nbsp;&nbsp; (no known 
recording)<BR>16. &nbsp;Admiral Mitchell&#8217;s Waltz or&nbsp;&nbsp;A Rout in the 
Texel (no known recording)<BR>17. &nbsp;The Texel Island&nbsp;&nbsp; (no known 
recording)<BR>18. &nbsp;Walcheren Waltz&nbsp; (no known recording)<BR>19. 
&nbsp;Up with the Orange (Oranje boven)&nbsp; (no known recording)<BR>20. 
&nbsp;Juliana I, III and IV&nbsp;-- The Assembly Players on the CD &#8220;Dance &amp; 
Danceability&#8221; and The Kenton Ramblers on the LP &#8220;The Next Dance is&#8230; Vol. 
2&#8221;</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840424107-03102001><FONT 
face=Arial>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Juliana II (no known 
recording)<BR></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840424107-03102001><FONT face=Arial>If anyone can provide the 
text for the question marks and point me in the direction of any other 
recordings, I'd be pleased to hear about it.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=840424107-03102001><FONT face=Arial>Antony 
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<DIV><SPAN class=840424107-03102001><FONT face=Arial>The 
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<DIV><SPAN class=840424107-03102001><FONT face=Arial><A 
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<DIV><SPAN class=840424107-03102001><FONT face=Arial></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
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At 08:44 PM 10/3/01 +0200, you wrote: 
>
> I am preparing a new edition of the book of 20 country dances from the period
> 1713 - 1820 with references to Holland in their titles selected, edited and
> described by Pat Shaw. This book with its distinctive grey cover was
> published by the Dutch Folk Dance Society in 1960 and it and its reprints are
> now sold out.
>  
> The new edition, in which I am being helped by Marjorie Fennessy and Nicolas
> Broadbridge, will present the dance descriptions in a more modern way. The
> music will be chorded and facsimiles of the original dance descriptions will
> be included. In addition there will be a discography and it is in the
> preparation of this last that I ask help from the list. I would like to
> include all commercially issued recordings whether they are still available
> or not.
>  
> 4.  Prince William (i) -- The Assembly Players on the CD A Walsh Ball and ??
> on the LP Popular English Country Dances of the 17th and 18th Centuries


Claremont English Country Dance Band on the LP and reissued cassette tape
Popular English Country Dances of the 17th and 18th Centuries

>
> 6.  Auretti s Dutch Skipper -- The Canterbury Country Dance Orchestra on LP
> title:


Canterbury Country Dance Orchestra, F-72-FW3 
Bare Necessities on Simple Pleasures [CDS Boston Centre English Country Dance
Collection, v.3]

Good luck!
Sharon

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<html>
At 08:44 PM 10/3/01 +0200, you wrote: <br>
<font face="arial"><blockquote type=cite cite>I am preparing a new
edition of the book of 20 country dances from the period 1713 - 1820 with
references to Holland in their titles selected, edited and described by
Pat Shaw. This book with its distinctive grey cover was published by the
Dutch Folk Dance Society in 1960 and it and its reprints are now sold
out.</font><br>
&nbsp;<br>
<font face="arial">The new edition, in which I am being helped by
Marjorie Fennessy and Nicolas Broadbridge, will present the dance
descriptions in a more modern way. The music will be chorded and
facsimiles of the original dance descriptions will be included. In
addition there will be a discography and it is in the preparation of this
last that I ask help from the list. I would like to include all
commercially issued recordings whether they are still available or
not.</font><br>
&nbsp;<br>
<font face="arial">4.&nbsp; Prince William (i) -- The Assembly Players on
the CD A Walsh Ball and ?? on the LP Popular English Country Dances of
the 17th and 18th Centuries</font></blockquote><br>
Claremont English Country Dance Band on the LP and reissued cassette tape
Popular English <font face="arial">Country Dances of the 17th and 18th
Centuries<br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>6.&nbsp; Auretti s Dutch Skipper -- The
Canterbury Country Dance Orchestra on LP title:</font></blockquote><br>
Canterbury Country Dance Orchestra, F-72-FW3 <br>
Bare Necessities on Simple Pleasures [CDS Boston Centre English Country
Dance Collection, v.3]<br>
<br>
<font face="arial">Good luck!<br>
Sharon</font></html>

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Karpeles' biography, though indispensable, is highly partisan and must be
evaluated carefully.  For a more comprehensive, though somewhat
revisionist, history you should also read Georgina Boye's The Imagined
Village; Culture, Ideology and the English Folk Revival, Manchester Univ.
Press, 1993. (ISBN 0-7190-2914-7).  It may also be interesting to check
out the more recent (though not really focused on country dance)
collection of articles on new directions in traditional dance that is
edited by Boyes and titled, Step Change.


Allison Thompson
The Squirrel Hill Press


P.S.  OK, I have to admit, in the interest of complete journalistic
integrity, that I have an essay in Boyes' Step Change collection. But do
read The Imagined Village--it's really important to assist in blowing
away the romantic visions of, and prevalent to, the turn of the last
century.








On Mon, 01 Oct 2001 20:03:00 -0400 (EDT) DavBarnert-AT-
aol.com writes:
> The following appeared on the Morris Dance Discussion List the
> other day. I offered to repost it here, and the author has taken
> me up on it. Following the post is a paragraph from his note to me
> that I think ought to go with it. I will forward all responses.
> 
>   ______      /\/\/\/\
>  <______>     | | | | |  David Barnert
>  <______>     | | | | |  <davbarnert-AT-
aol.com>
>  <______>     | | | | |  Albany, N.Y.
>  <______>     \/\/\/\/
> 
> Ventilator   Concertina
>   Bellows      Bellows
> (Vocation)   (Avocation)
> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> 
> Date:    Sat, 29 Sep 2001 10:36:35 -0700
> From:    Norman Stanfield <nlstanfield-AT-
HOME.COM>
> Subject: Sharp and Country Dance
> 
> We know that Sharp was hugely impressed when he saw his first morris 
> dance
> in Headington in 1899, and heard his first folksong in Somerset in 
> 1903.
> 
> Is there any record or information about his encounter with country 
> dance,
> resulting in the collection labeled Part 1 (first published in 1909,
> separate from Part 2-6) in his 6-part set of Country Dances? (The 
> other
> volumes are descriptions of Playford dances and Running Set dances 
> from
> Kentucky.)  One source says he learned (some of?) them from Kimber, 
> another
> records the various counties where they were collected.  His 
> encounter seems
> to have occurred some time circa 1905.
> 
> I don't have ready access to his biography written by Ms. Maud.  
> Maybe she
> tells the story.
> 
> 
> 
> Norman Stanfield
> School of Music / www.music.ubc.ca
> University of British Columbia
> Vancouver, B.C., Canada
> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> 
> Addendum:
> 
> I suspect that at the time C# started collecting, the "people" were 
> well
> past country dances, and into the latest quadrilles, cotillions, 
> etc., not
> to mention polkas, waltzes, and other new-fandangled couple-dances 
> in random
> floor patterns.  Of course, there is the ever popular step-dance as 
> well,
> which probably best suits the mood and room of most socializing 
> among the
> working classes.

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4.  Prince William (i) -- The Assembly Players on the CD "A Walsh Ball" and
?? on the LP "Popular English Country Dances of the 17th and 18th Centuries"

Possibly the Broadside Band? In any case, the tune is also on The Canterbury
Country Dance Orchestra's first LP, simply called "Canterbury Country Dance
Orchestra" (F & W Records, F-72, no date but from the hair styles I'd guess
1970-72)

6.  Auretti's Dutch Skipper -- The Canterbury Country Dance Orchestra on LP
title??

Same record as above.

Peace,
Paul


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>It's in the Declaration of Independence, twice...

With a small u.

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David Barnert wrote:

>>It's in the Declaration of Independence, twice...

<<With a small u.>>

The first time, yes. According to the transcription in my trusty Information
Please Almanac (1947 and proud of it), the subhead reads:

The unanimous DECLARATION of the thirteen united STATES OF AMERICA.

But the last paragraph of the Declaration proper begins:

WE, therefore, the Representatives of the United States of America, ...

And in the postscript, it says:

Ordered:
    That an authenticated copy of the Declaration of Independency [sic],
with the names of the Members of Congress subscribing the same, be sent to
each of the United States...

So I think the name was already in circulation by then, or possibly was
coined there. In either case, it sounds to me like it was being consciously
used as a name for the new nation-in-formation by the writers of the
Declaration.

Peace,
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Hi folks:

I'm afraid I sent an extra copy of the "Re: United States of America"
post -- one without my actual reply. Hit the send button too soon. Sorry!

Peace,
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Does anyone know of some good sites for contra pics and info?
Warmest Regards,
Aylwen Garden




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http://members.aol.com/hatds/home.htm

Dianna
Houston, TX

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| Does anyone know of some good sites for contra pics and info?
| Warmest Regards,
| Aylwen Garden
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| 
| 
| 
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<<Does anyone know of some good sites for contra pics and info?>>

Try:

http://www.serv.net/~dplummer/contra.html

http://home.aol.com/childgr/index.html

Peace,
Paul

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Allison M Thompson wrote:

> For a more comprehensive, though somewhat revisionist, history you should
> also read Georgina Boye's The Imagined Village; Culture, Ideology and the
> English Folk Revival, Manchester Univ.
> Press, 1993. (ISBN 0-7190-2914-7).

The Imagined Village ... not an easy read, full of sociological lingo, but
well worth the effort.

Philippe Callens



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In a message dated 10/4/01 2:16:43 AM, garden-AT-
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<< Does anyone know of some good sites for contra pics and info?

Warmest Regards,

Aylwen Garden

 >>

Karl's {Karl Senseman] Contra Page: 
http://cn708898-a.harris1.pa.home.com/MyDancePage/

Carl Friedman
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In Bill Bryson's  "Made in America: An Informal History of the English 
Language in the United States" on pages 34 and 35, Mr Bryson states:

        (In Common Sense, Thomas Paine) was the first to refer to "the United 
    States of America." Previously even the boldest patriot had spoken of 
"the    United Colonies."

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In Bill Bryson's  "Made in America: An Informal History of the English 
Language in the United States" on pages 34 and 35, Mr Bryson states:

        (In Common Sense, Thomas Paine) was the first to refer to "the United 
    States of America." Previously even the boldest patriot had spoken of 
"the    United Colonies."

Tom Amesse
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>Does anyone know of some good sites for contra pics and info?
>Warmest Regards,
>Aylwen Garden

Try
   http://tedcrane.com/Photos/Dancers/

Ted has put together a contra (and some English) dance data base.
If you're looking for a specific person, band, or event
you might try
   http://tedcrane.com/DanceDB/

Finally, our local Ithaca dance web page pops up
random photos of English & contras.
   http://tedcrane.com/TCCD/

-Pamela
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<<In Bill Bryson's  "Made in America: An Informal History of the English
Language in the United States" on pages 34 and 35, Mr Bryson states:

        (In Common Sense, Thomas Paine) was the first to refer to "the
United
    States of America." Previously even the boldest patriot had spoken of
"the    United Colonies." >>

Forgive me my ignorance of my own history -- what was the date on Common
Sense?

Peace,
Paul

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To the best of my knowledge, Paine arrived in the colonies in 1774 and Common 
Sense was published in January of 1776.   
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--- Paul Stamler <pstamler-AT-
pobox.com> wrote:
> <<In Bill Bryson's  "Made in America: An Informal History of
> the English Language in the United States" on pages 34 and 35,
> Mr Bryson states:
>         (In Common Sense, Thomas Paine) was the first to refer
> to "the United States of America." Previously even the boldest
> patriot had spoken of "the United Colonies." >>
> 
> Forgive me my ignorance of my own history -- what was the date
> on Common Sense?

This site is a printing of the second publication of Common
Sense with the Introduction dated February 14, 1776:
<http://odur.let.rug.nl/~usa/D/1776-1800/paine/CM/sensexx.htm>
Near the top of page five, Paine still speaks of framing "...a
CONTINENTAL CHARTER or Charter of the United Colonies..." About
midway down page six, he begins to talk of "...the FREE AND
INDEPENDENT STATES OF AMERICA." But, no place in scanning
through these pages do I find the words "the United States of
America."

Maybe that came in a later printing?

To get back to the original cause of my question, does anyone
know the date of the "United States March", which someone has
stated comes from our Revolutionary period? I'm not
contradicting your statement, I'm mearly curious as to when the
term was first used.

Andy

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<DavBarnert-AT-
aol.com> reposted a note from <nlstanfield-AT-
HOME.COM> asking for info
about Sharp's encounter with Country Dance that led to his collection of country
dances published in 1909 as Part I of his series.

I offer here some data from Sharp's MSS, now published on microfilm and also
accessible in typed transcription (Karpeles?) at Harvard University, as follows:

a)  Sharp's earliest records of country dances, dated 12 - 13 April 1907 in Lew
Trenchard, Devonshire, include notes on 5 country dances -  Triumph;  Three
Meet, or Pleasures of the Town;  Nancy's Fancy;  Girl I Left Behind Me;  and
Haste to the Wedding - and names Wm. Ford as musician.  No info is given about
that occasion or the dance teacher/leader involved.
b)  Sharp's next records of country dances, dated 25 June 1909 in Surrey,
include notes on 8 country dances.  The occasion was a dance(?) 'at Mrs.
Garnet's'; the dancers were taught by John Lavercombe.  Note that over 2 years
had passed since Sharp's first records.
c)  Sharp recorded 1 dance on 22 July 1909 and 1 dance on 19 August 1909, each
described to him by a musician.
d)  Sharp recorded 8 country dances on 16 September 1909 in Armscote,
Warwickshire.  The occasion was a dance(?) 'at the house of Mrs. Stanton';  Mr.
Hands was the Master of the Ceremonies.
e)  Sharp recorded 7 country dances on 28 and 29 Dec 1909, but his Part I had
already been published by that time.

There is no indication that anything about Country Dances caught Sharp's eye at
any time.  Two of the major occasions (b and c) were in private homes, but no
notable feature was mentioned.  None of the collected dances seem particularly
striking;  all were fairly simple, with much use of  'down the middle and back'
and 'swing and cast one'.  And Sharp did wait over 2 years after his first
records before he noted his next set of dances.

So, perhaps Sharp collected the Country Dances out of a sense of duty, once he
had seen them, trying to obtain a reasonable selection for his Part I;  and
afterwards spent his efforts on the more interesting 'Playford' dances.  It's
just a thought.

Chris Walker










> I suspect that at the time C# started collecting, the "people" were well
> past country dances, and into the latest quadrilles, cotillions, etc., not
> to mention polkas, waltzes, and other new-fandangled couple-dances in random
> floor patterns.  Of course, there is the ever popular step-dance as well,
> which probably best suits the mood and room of most socializing among the
> working classes.


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That rings true for me Andy.  My vague recollection was that althouh Paine may
have been among the first to use the term "United States," I didn't recall
reading it in "Common Sense."  I would have just chalked it up to my porous
memory if you hadn't looked it up for us.  

Since I had a couple of Paine's pamphlets handy, I checked to see what I could
find.  The earliest use of "United States" I could find was in his
"Dissertation on First Principles of Government," Paris: July, 1795.  You can
read it on line at <http://www.mediapro.net/cdadesign/paine/DoFPoG.html>

Rich Galloway

On Thu, 04 October 2001, Andrew Peterson wrote:

> This site is a printing of the second publication of 
> Common Sense with the Introduction dated February 14, 
> 1776:
> <http://odur.let.rug.nl/~usa/D/1776-1800/paine/CM/sensexx.htm>
> Near the top of page five, Paine still speaks of 
> framing "...a CONTINENTAL CHARTER or Charter of the 
> United Colonies..." About midway down page six, he 
> begins to talk of "...the FREE AND INDEPENDENT STATES 
> OF AMERICA." But, no place in scanning through these 
> pages do I find the words "the United States of 
> America."
> 
> Maybe that came in a later printing?
> 
> To get back to the original cause of my question, does 
> anyone know the date of the "United States March", 
> which someone has stated comes from our Revolutionary 
> period? I'm not contradicting your statement, I'm 
> mearly curious as to when the term was first used.

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Oops, that says 1795 and I read it as 1775.  Forget what I just said.

On Thu, 04 October 2001, Rich Galloway wrote:

> The earliest use of "United States" I could find was in his "Dissertation on First Principles of Government," Paris: July, 1795.  

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Folks,

Here's a last reminder about the Apple Tree Morris' day of dance, this Saturday, October 6, 2001, at the Northern California Renaissance Faire at Nut Tree in Vacaville, California.  It's sure to be a great event, with 85 individual folks signed up already, plus teams on their own roster.  If you're interested and haven't contacted 

There's a web page with the latest info (as of 10/03/01) on schedule, how to sign up, things to bring, stuff to do, and how to get there.  We've included links to stuff about the Faire, the ale, related events, general nonsense, and even a service to send you a personal email when the web page changes.

   http://timelord01.home.sprynet.com/renfaire_morris.htm

We're looking forward to making this as big and as fun an event as possible.  Feel free to sign up as a team or as an individual.  Squires - please pass this info on to your teammates.  Everyone else - please check out the web page and pass this notice on to anyone who might be interested.

Thanx very much.

Ric Goldman
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On behalf of Greg Hamburg, Apple Tree Morris
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P.S.  Apologies in advance for any list duplications

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The proposed elimination of carry-on baggage on airplanes that
is set forth in this posting from the Scand e-mail list could
effect every one of us, both musicians and dancers. It would
severely restrict, if not eliminate, the ability of many
musicians to travel with their instruments. Granted there is
cause for concern about the wrong items being brought onto
airplanes, but this would just be another useless band-aid,
instead of actually solving the problems.

> To: scand-AT-
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> From: Bruce Sagan <sagan-AT-
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> Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 12:33:45 -0400
> Subject: SCAND: airline carryon legislation
> 
> 
> While the fowarded message below isn't specifically about
> Scandinavian  music and dance, it might affect many of the
> musicians on this list.
> 
> -Bruce Sagan
> >From: Library [mailto:library-AT-
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> >Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 12:22 PM
> >To: 'MOLA'
> >Subject: for U.S. librarians
> >
> >Dear Colleagues:
> >
> >The American Federation of Musicians is very concerned that
> >the Senate Transportation Committee will pass a ruling to ban
> >all carry-on luggage from domestic flights. This would have a
> >devasting impact on our industry. How would musicians be
able
> >to travel to festivals, to auditions, to vacations, on
tours,
> >anywhere, if forced to put their instruments in the belly
of
> >the plane?
> >
> >The AFM is asking all musicians to contact their senator if
> >applicable (see below for the list) to ask for them to keep
us
> >in mind when considering this legislation. Please call today
> >or tomorrow. The senators need to hear from many musicians,
> >not just a few of us, so please spread the word.
> >
> >Thanks for your help.
> >
> >Mary Plaine
> >Baltimore Symphony Orchestra
> >
> > > The following is a message from Ann Drinan, President of
> > > ROPA, to the ROPA mailing list. I don't need to tell
> > > members of ICSOM orchestras what a devastating blow it
> > > would be to professional musicians and orchestras that
tour
> > > not to be able to take instruments on airplanes. But that
> > > is what is being proposed.
> > >
> > > I urge you to pick up the phone and call your Senator
about 
> > > this, *especially* if your Senator is on the Senate
> > > Transportation Committee. I also urge you to post this at
> > > work and urge your colleagues to do the same. This 
> > > legislation is likely to be voted on by the Senate by the
> > > end of the week, so please don't wait a few> days. We
don't
> > > have a few days.
> > >
> > > Robert Levine
> > > ICSOM Chair
> > > (from Ann Drinan, ROPA President)
> > >
> > > There are currently closed-door negotiations with
> > > interested parties in progress with the Senate
> > > Transportation Committee to amend the Aviation Security
> > > Bill [ S.1447] sponsored by Senator Hollings.
> > > (Go to this website for more information:
> > > <http://thomas.loc.gov>) The AFM has reason to believe
that
> > > a proposal is being negotiated that would eliminate all
> > > carry-on baggage from all commercial flights, which would
> > > have an extremely negative impact on most musicians.
> > >
> > > We are urging all musicians whose Senators are on this
> > > subcommittee (listed below) to call or write the Senate 
> > > office immediately (no e-mails are being accepted) stating
> > > the following:
> > >
> > > 1. You and your orchestra (if you can speak for them) are
> > > very concerned for the safety of airline personnel and are
> > > certainly not opposed to S.1447 but would oppose
> > > legislation that would totally eliminate airline carry-on
> > > baggage for the following reasons:
> > >
> > > A. As professional musicians our instruments must travel
> > > with us on many occasions. Many are antiques, are quite
> > > valuable (most are worth many thousands and some millions
> > > of dollars), are extremely sensitive to climate changes,
> > > and must be stored safely so there is no damage from
> > > turbulence. String instruments in particular are extremely
> > > delicate and cannot withstand the treatment they would
> > > receive from the commercial airlines' baggage-handling
> > > mechanisms.
> > >
> > > B. Many musicians tour for a living, either in small
> > > groups or in large orchestras, and thousands of students
> > > attend summer festivals and travel back and forth to
> > > school. Traveling soloists would not be able to perform
the
> > > rigorous schedules they currently do if their instruments
> > > cannot travel with them. Also, orchestras must fill 
> > > vacancies through auditions, and musicians from around the
> > > country and globally must be allowed to carry their
> > > instruments with them.
> > >
> > > C. We are very sensitive to the loss of life and are
> > > eager to ensure the safety of airline flight attendants
and
> > > pilots, as well as passengers, but the elimination of all
> > > carry-on baggage would be catastrophic to the economic
> > > well-being of our industry. Most orchestras cannot afford
> > > to charter their own planes or hire private jets for their
> > > soloists, and chamber ensembles would be unable to tour.
> > > Commercial travel is the only option for most of us and we
> > > simply must be able to hand-carry our instruments onto the
> > > plane.
> > >
> > > List senators and their states below.
>
> Fritz Hollings (South Carolina)     Charleston Symphony
> 125 Russell Senate Office Building
> Washington, D.C. 20510
> (202)224-6121
>
> John McCain (Arizona)  Arizona Opera, Phoenix Symphony
> 241 Russell Senate Ofc. Bldg.
> United States Senate
> Washington, D.C. 20510
> Phone # (202) 224-2235
> Fax # (202) 228-2862
>
> John Kerry (MA)        Boston Symphony
> 304 Russell Senate Office Bldg
> DC 20510-2102
> 202-224 2742
> fax: 202-224-8525
>
> Rockefeller (W Va) W Va
> 531 Hart Senate Office Building
> Washington, DC  20510
> (202) 224-6472
> (202) 224-7665 (fax)
>
> Kay Bailey Hutchinson (Texas)        Austin, El Paso,
Dallas, 
> 284 Russell Senate Office Building   Richardson Opera,
Dallas
> Washington, DC 20510                 Symphony, Houston
 Symphony
> 202-224-5922
> 
> John Breaux (Louisiana) Shreveport
> (couldn't find it on his website!)
> 
> Conrad Burns (Montana)
> 
> Harry Reid (Nevada)
> 528 Hart Senate Office Building
> Washington, DC 20510
> Phone: 202-224-3542 / Fax: 202-224-7327
>
> Max Cleland (Georgia)  Atlanta Ballet, Atlanta Symphony
> Washington Office
> 461 Senate Dirksen Building
> Washington, DC 20510
> Phone (202) 224-3521
> Fax (202) 224-0072
>
> Gordon Smith (Oregon) Portland Opera, Oregon Symphony
> 404 Russell Senate Office Building
> Washington, DC 20510
>
> John Edwards (No Carolina) Charlotte Symphony
> 225 Dirksen Office Bldg
> Washington, DC 20510
> 202-224-3154
> fax 228-1374
> 225
>
> Bill Nelson (Florida)  Florida Orchestra, Florida Philharmonic
> United States Senate
> Washington, D.C. 20510
> (202) 224-5274
>
> Carnehan (Missouri)               St. Louis Symphony
> Office of Senator Jean Carnahan
> 517 Hart Senate Office Building
> United States Senate
> Washington, DC 20510
> (202) 224-6154
>
> Wellstone (Minnesota)             Minnesota Orchestra, 
> 136 Hart Senate Office Building   St. Paul Chamber Orchestra
> Washington, D.C. 20510-2303
> (202) 224-5641
>
> Ron Wyden (Oregon) Oregon Symphony
> 516 Hart Senate Office Building
> Washington, DC 20510
> (202) 224-5244
>
> Boxer (Calif)                      LACO, LA Opera, Long Beach,
> 112 Hart Senate Office Building    San Jose, Santa Barbara,
CA,
> Washington, D.C. 20510            Santa Rosa, Fresno,
Monterey,
> (202) 224-3553                 Pacific, San Francisco Symphony
>                    San Francisco Ballet, San Francisco Opera,
>                    Los Angeles Philharmonic, San Diego
Symphony
>
> Clinton (NY)                     Hudson Valley, Long Island,
> 476 Russell Senate Office Building 
Rochester,Syracuse,Buffalo, 
> Washington, DC 20510             New York Phil, Metropolitan 
> 202-224-4451                     Opera, NYC BalletOrchestra,
> fax 228-0282                     NYC Opera Orchestra
>
> Barbara Mikulski (MD)  Baltimore Symphony, National Symphony
> Hart Senate Office Building Suite 709
> Washington, D.C. 20510
> (202) 224-4654
>
> Tom Daschle (So Dakota)
> United States Senate
> Washington, DC 20510
> (202) 224-2321
>
> Byron Dorgan (No Dakota)
>
> Daniel Inoue (Hawaii)      Honolulu Symphony
>
> Ted Stevens (Alaska)
>
> Olympia J. Snowe (Maine)
> 154 Russell Senate Office Building
> Washington, DC 20510
> 202-224-5344

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I logged on tonight and found 2 messages supposedly from myself to the
ECD list which I did not send. Please delete and disregard.  I have
absolutely no idea what happened. Apologies!

Stephanie
Bethesda, MD (near Glen Echo, MD where we danced to the calling of Rich
Galloway and Robert Moir (visiting from England) last night)
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In a message dated 4/10/01 3:00:59 pm, system-AT-
PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU 
writes:

>Karpeles' biography, though indispensable, is highly partisan and must
>be
>evaluated carefully.  For a more comprehensive, though somewhat
>revisionist, history you should also read Georgina Boye's The Imagined
>Village; Culture, Ideology and the English Folk Revival, Manchester Univ.
>Press, 1993. (ISBN 0-7190-2914-7).  It may also be interesting to check
>out the more recent (though not really focused on country dance)
>collection of articles on new directions in traditional dance that is
>edited by Boyes and titled, Step Change.

Boyes' writings also need vigilant and careful evaluation - not all her 
sweeping statements and conclusions anent the EFDSS are within the range of 
what might be described as accurate.
                                                        Nicolas B, Lanark, 
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Does anyone have a product recommendation for the cool, Madonna-like
microphone headsets with a belt power-pack that a caller who needs to be
out on the floor can use?

Allison
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In confirmation of a sweeping generalization that I would like to make in
an article on early folk & fancy dance manuals, does anyone today really
do 1) Sweet Kate (country dance) or 2) Bluff King Hal (morris).

I am aware of BKH's dubious history (i.e., invented by D'Arcy Ferris and
represented some years later to Sharp by the Bidford men as one of their
own dances--hailed as a survival--then hastily disclaimed by him when its
tawdry past was revealed).  I'm just wondering if anyone today dances it.

Oddly enough, here in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania, we've danced Sweet Kate
several times, though with reluctant participation from adults (it has
rather silly pantomime movements).

Anyway, I was just wondering what comments, if any, would come out of
this request.

Allison
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Good day all.
As one who has and (until he can afford to buy a new one) uses such a
device, I cannot speak strongly enough against it. 
It is a pain to share it with a guest caller, or lend it to another
caller, and the microphone position is very touchy. If you want to turn
it off, you must find the button on the beltpack, else everyone in the
room will hear your instructions to the band.
A hand-held cordless microphone is IMHO much, much preferable.
Shure manufactures both type, as well as a 'tie-tack' model, which might
even be the best of the bunch.
Giovanni De Amici

Allison M Thompson wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have a product recommendation for the cool, Madonna-like
> microphone headsets with a belt power-pack that a caller who needs to be
> out on the floor can use?
> 
> Allison
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From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing <winston-AT-
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Subject: Re: Apologies
To: ECD-AT-
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Stephanie wrote:

> I logged on tonight and found 2 messages supposedly from myself to the
> ECD list which I did not send. Please delete and disregard.  I have
> absolutely no idea what happened. Apologies!

Those messages arrived at SLAC with executable attachments which were removed
by SLAC's mail gateway before delivery to the ECD list.  The suggestion is that
you might have one of the currently-popular microsoft viruses that send out
email.  (It would have been stripped before it went to the list, so nobody has
to worry about reading your list messages, but you might want to get your 
PC checked out.)

-- Alan


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From: Barbara Ruth <barbararuth-AT-
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Subject: Re: Apple betty
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Carol,
Thanks for the testimonial!  As a public service announcement I want
to point out that one of those cakes will be available as an item at
the True Brit auction this weekend (assuming I'm not too blitzed to
remember to take it out of the freezer and put it in the car
tomorrow).

Barbara

--- MartinezPC-AT-
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  Now if only
> Orly would 
> write a dance called "Apple Betty" so all this scrumptious food
> talk could be 
> on topic..... Once that's composed, how about "Chocolate cake", so
> we can 
> talk about Barbara Ruth's decadent and memorable creation, which
> was one of 
> Pinewoods' many pleasures.
> 
> Carol, getting hungrier by the minute...
> 
> 


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Allison Thompson wrote:

>Does anyone have a product recommendation for the
cool, Madonna-like microphone headsets with a belt
power-pack that a caller who needs to be out on the
floor can use?<

Allison, as a counterpoint to other posts, I
absolutely *love* my Telex Pro-Star UHF wireless set
up.  The groups I teach/call tend to be large (~100)
and often attract new dancers.  I spend quite a bit of
time out on the floor walking through each dance.  I
especially wanted to have my hands-free so that I
could manage dance notes and still be able to gesture
and guide--so the choice was either a lapel mic or
headset.  I opted for the headset precisely because
the microphone *is* very unidirectional (towards the
wearer's mouth), eliminating many of the feedback
problems that other microphones present when out in
front of the speakers.  Certainly a headset microphone
is very personal and not easily shared with other
callers/speakers.  I've solved that problem by having
a second wired microphone available.  If a second
caller is normal in your experience a second wireless
mic might be indicated.

Certainly, your mileage will vary.

McDjr


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Reply-To: ECD-AT-
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Subject: RE: Apologies
To: ECD-AT-
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Alan wrote:
'Those messages arrived at SLAC with executable attachments which were
removed by SLAC's mail gateway before delivery to the ECD list."

You say the attachments were *removed* before delivery to the ECD list?  I
received the two messages from Stephanie, and both of them carried an
attachment. Am I misunderstanding what "remove" means in this context?

Pat

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Subject: Re: re - contra pics?
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Do a search for contradance.  You'll find pictures on just about every site.

Tom Vincent

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Aylwen" <garden-AT-
earthlydelights.com.au>
To: "ECD List" <ECD-AT-
SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 11:26 PM
Subject: re - contra pics?


> Does anyone know of some good sites for contra pics and info?
> Warmest Regards,
> Aylwen Garden
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 19:58:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing <winston-AT-
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Subject: RE: Apologies
To: ECD-AT-
PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
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> Alan wrote:
> 'Those messages arrived at SLAC with executable attachments which were
> removed by SLAC's mail gateway before delivery to the ECD list."

> You say the attachments were *removed* before delivery to the ECD list?  I
> received the two messages from Stephanie, and both of them carried an
> attachment. Am I misunderstanding what "remove" means in this context?

I was being insufficiently explicit.

The executable attachments were stripped out of the message-parts they were
in and replaced with plain text files explaining that this had happened.  So
you got an attachment, but the attachment wasn't the dangerous executable; it
was a note saying that there had formerly been a dangerous executable.

-- Alan

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Subject: RE: Apologies
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Alan wrote:
"The executable attachments were stripped out of the message-parts they were
in and replaced with plain text files explaining that this had happened.  So
you got an attachment, but the attachment wasn't the dangerous executable;
it was a note saying that there had formerly been a dangerous executable."

Ok, and many thanks.

Pat

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Subject: Re: Apologies
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----- Original Message -----
From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing <winston-AT-
SLAC.Stanford.EDU>

<<Those messages arrived at SLAC with executable attachments which were
removed
by SLAC's mail gateway before delivery to the ECD list.  The suggestion is
that
you might have one of the currently-popular microsoft viruses that send out
email.  (It would have been stripped before it went to the list, so nobody
has
to worry about reading your list messages, but you might want to get your
PC checked out.)>>

I dunno -- the messages came to me with attachments, so they might not have
been stripped properly. Needless to say, I deleted without opening, but that
worries me.

Peace,
Paul



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----- Original Message ----- 
From: Andrew Peterson <lyrlsbro-AT-
yahoo.com>

<<To get back to the original cause of my question, does anyone
know the date of the "United States March", which someone has
stated comes from our Revolutionary period? I'm not
contradicting your statement, I'm mearly curious as to when the
term was first used.>>

I've queried my source, and will report back.

Peace,
Paul

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> Allison Thompson wrote:
> 
> >Does anyone have a product recommendation for the
> cool, Madonna-like microphone headsets with a belt
> power-pack that a caller who needs to be out on the
> floor can use?<

--- William McDonald <quinbus-AT-
yahoo.com> wrote:
> Allison, as a counterpoint to other posts, I
> absolutely *love* my Telex Pro-Star UHF wireless set
> up.  The groups I teach/call tend to be large (~100)
> and often attract new dancers.  I spend quite a bit of
> time out on the floor walking through each dance.  I
> especially wanted to have my hands-free so that I
> could manage dance notes and still be able to gesture
> and guide--so the choice was either a lapel mic or
> headset.  I opted for the headset precisely because
> the microphone *is* very unidirectional (towards the
> wearer's mouth), eliminating many of the feedback
> problems that other microphones present when out in
> front of the speakers.  Certainly a headset microphone
> is very personal and not easily shared with other
> callers/speakers.  I've solved that problem by having
> a second wired microphone available.  If a second
> caller is normal in your experience a second wireless
> mic might be indicated.

The Scandinavian group that meets on Monday nights uses one
sometimes during the teaching period. It depends on who is
teaching as some like it better than others do. I can find out
more information for you as to brand and such if you's like.

Andy

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Subject: Re: Microphone-Headset
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giovanni de amici wrote:

> Good day all.
> As one who has and (until he can afford to buy a new one) uses such a
> device, I cannot speak strongly enough against it.
> It is a pain to share it with a guest caller, or lend it to another
> caller, and the microphone position is very touchy. If you want to turn
> it off, you must find the button on the beltpack, else everyone in the
> room will hear your instructions to the band.
> A hand-held cordless microphone is IMHO much, much preferable.

I absolutely agree. It is even worse when one wears glasses (as I do). These
things drive me crazy.

Philippe Callens

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Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 09:07:33 +0200
From: Philippe Callens <Philippe.Callens-AT-
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Reply-To: ECD-AT-
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Subject: Re: Lady Catherine Ogle
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Graham,

It is in the supplement of DM I:7 (1687) - no dance, only a tune. Gary
Roodman has written a new dance to it.

Philippe Callens

Graham Knight wrote:

> I have a friend in New Zealand who would like the dance notation for
> Lady Catherine Ogle. Can anybody help, please.
>
> Regards,
>
> Graham Knight

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Subject: Re: Holland as seen in the English Country Dance
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Antony,

Prince William staat ook op "More Favorites of the Boston Centre" (Bare
Necessities). Mooie opname! Succes met het project - zeer zeker de
moeite!

Philippe

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Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 08:28:38 -0400
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Subject: Re: Holland as seen in the English Country Dance
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>Antony,
>
>Prince William staat ook op "More Favorites of the Boston Centre" (Bare
>Necessities). Mooie opname! Succes met het project - zeer zeker de
>moeite!
>
>Philippe

Uh.  Translate, please!  And how does one pronouce these interesting words?!
-- 
Emily L. Ferguson
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Beetle cats on the web at:
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From: "Susan R. Lorand" <srl-AT-
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Reply-To: ECD-AT-
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Subject: Re: Holland as seen in the English Country Dance
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On Fri, 5 Oct 2001, Emily L. Ferguson wrote:

> >Antony,
> >
> >Prince William staat ook op "More Favorites of the Boston Centre" (Bare
> >Necessities). Mooie opname! Succes met het project - zeer zeker de
> >moeite!
> >
> >Philippe
> 
> Uh.  Translate, please!  And how does one pronouce these interesting words?!

"prince william is also on 'more favorites of the boston center' (bare
necessities).  beautiful [performance? recording]!  [i wish you] success
with the project - very certainly [with] the [difficulty?]."

philippe can correct/amplify my translation.  it's 23 years since i
actually spoke dutch every day...

tot schrijfs,

susie lorand

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Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 15:38:09 +0200
From: Philippe Callens <Philippe.Callens-AT-
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Subject: Re: Holland as seen in the English Country Dance
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Congratulations to Susie Lorand!
The last sentence should be translated as: - certainly worth the effort!

Philippe in Antwerp
who is preparing for a workshop on the intercultural aspects of ECD

"Susan R. Lorand" wrote:

> On Fri, 5 Oct 2001, Emily L. Ferguson wrote:
>
> > >Antony,
> > >
> > >Prince William staat ook op "More Favorites of the Boston Centre" (Bare
> > >Necessities). Mooie opname! Succes met het project - zeer zeker de
> > >moeite!
> > >
> > >Philippe
> >
> > Uh.  Translate, please!  And how does one pronouce these interesting words?!
>
> "prince william is also on 'more favorites of the boston center' (bare
> necessities).  beautiful [performance? recording]!  [i wish you] success
> with the project - very certainly [with] the [difficulty?]."
>
> philippe can correct/amplify my translation.  it's 23 years since i
> actually spoke dutch every day...
>
> tot schrijfs,
>
> susie lorand

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Hey, guys.  Thanks so much for parsing the dutch.  But I'm still 
curious about how these words sound.  anybody able to figure out how 
to help with that by email!? 
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On Fri, 5 Oct 2001, Emily L. Ferguson wrote:

> Hey, guys.  Thanks so much for parsing the dutch.  But I'm still 
> curious about how these words sound.  anybody able to figure out how 
> to help with that by email!? 

i'm sure it's *theoretically* possible to record a sound file and send it
to you, but it would be a lot easier on the phone. contact me offline if
you can't wait for philippe's next visit to the u.s. (or can't find a
dutch or flemish speaker near you).

dutch pronuciation is really quite straightforward once you get used to
the rules.  since the spelling was standardized sometime in the last
century, it's as phonetic as hungarian (which i hasten to add i can't
speak... yet...).

cheers,

susie lorand

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Our caller uses a Nady system which has proved most effective (when worn
right!) and quite reliable. One caution to anyone looking at a wireless
microphone system: It should be a "diversity" system, which means it uses
two antennas (usually mounted at opposite ends of the receiver box) and
automatically switches to whichever one is picking up the cleanest signal.
This virtually eliminates the phenomenon of "dead spots" in the hall, which
otherwise can be horrendous.

Peace,
Paul

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Hello, folks on the list. I have received permission from Chloe Maher, a crew
member at Pinewoods to post this letter she sent to the Campers'Week list:

-----Original Message-----
From: Chloe! <Chloe.Maher-AT-
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Sent: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 17:49:23 -0400 (EDT)
To:  <campersweek-AT-
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Subject: Re: [CW] (no subject)

Hello Campers' week.  I have been enjoying your e-mails from this list for
the past hour because I haven't checked my e-mail since before campers'
week.  As some of you know' I am studying abroad in Morocco this semester
and all of you e-mails are the first real exposure I've had to American
responses to this tragedy from people who were in America.  I am studying
with a group of Americans here' but we have only limited access to news
in English and that is usually British, not American.  I feel quite
distant from the American reaction right now.  I feel as though I might
come back to a different country.  Morocco is incredibly safe and
wonderful, and in many ways I am glad to be here.  Being Muslim, I feel
comforted here (by the way, you probably know more muslims than you think
you do).  Everyone is wonderful, and although there is quite an anti-Bush
sentiment, there is not much of an anti- American sentiment.  Moroccans in
general admire, immitate, are jealous of, aspire to travel to and are
fascinated by the US.  Moroccans are afraid for their friends and family
in the US because of anti-Arab sentiment there.  My mosque in Philadelphia
had police guarding it for a few days, but there were apparently no
problems there.  One Moroccan intellectual said something yesterday which
really made me think.  He said that Americans have what they have (wealth,
power, material goods, freedom) not just because they are smart and lucky,
but because they have controlled the power and resources of other
countries and are usurping them.  Where does the unbalance come from?
america taking from other countries.  EZverything we have as Americans is
not deserved, and humans sometimes need to be reminded that they are
indeed human.If countries like Morocco are really friends with the US,
they would not turn over "terrorists" on Bush's lists in exchange for
money.  instead they should tell the US the truth about why us policies
are so badly percieved in so much of the world.  If someone tells you that
you are arrogant, you should listen.  He also condemmed the deaths of
innocent americans and foreigners in the sept 11 catastrophy.  This
wouldn't have been his choice of a way to approach the US, but since it
has happened, maybe all americans can take this as a time to reflect on
what they have and why they have it, as well as why so many people in the
world have nothing and think wistfully jealously of the US for so many
things.  This is grossly misquoted (so much that I'm not going to mention
the guy's name), but has some interesting points and certainly made me
think twice.  Not all Moroccans think like this.  Sorry if this is
rambling, some of you probably don't even know who I am even though I've
been to campers'" week seven times.  (4 of those on crew)  It's late
here...  Much love to all of America!!!!!!!!!

Chloe Maryam Maher



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--- "Susan R. Lorand" <srl-AT-
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> dutch pronuciation is really quite straightforward once you
> get used to the rules.  since the spelling was standardized
> sometime in the last century, it's as phonetic as hungarian
> (which i hasten to add i can't speak... yet...).

From what I've heard, Hungarian is the closest language to
Finnish, so once you've learned Hungarian maybe it will only be
a small jump to understanding Finns. Most of the Scandinavians
don't, although I was once told that, at least in the old
Swede-Finn part of the country, the language is just Swedish
with Finnish endings.

Andy
...who has a dance workshop syllabus in Finnish that it would be
good to have a translation of. 

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You can also look at the contradance event on our calendar
www.halswaymanor.co.uk
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On Thursday, October 04, 2001 Allison wrote:

> Oddly enough, here in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania, we've danced Sweet Kate
> several times, though with reluctant participation from adults (it has
> rather silly pantomime movements).

I frequently use Sweet Kate in my workshops.  It is one of many dances with
"gestic" features.  It is a great dance to remove the common misconception that
Playford dances are "stuffy".

Michael Barraclough

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Actually, Estonian is closer to Finnish than Hungarian.

Tom Vincent

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> --- "Susan R. Lorand" <srl-AT-
phoenix.Princeton.EDU> wrote:
> > dutch pronuciation is really quite straightforward once you
> > get used to the rules.  since the spelling was standardized
> > sometime in the last century, it's as phonetic as hungarian
> > (which i hasten to add i can't speak... yet...).
>
> From what I've heard, Hungarian is the closest language to
> Finnish, so once you've learned Hungarian maybe it will only be
> a small jump to understanding Finns. Most of the Scandinavians
> don't, although I was once told that, at least in the old
> Swede-Finn part of the country, the language is just Swedish
> with Finnish endings.
>
> Andy
> ...who has a dance workshop syllabus in Finnish that it would be
> good to have a translation of.
>
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>It is one of many dances with "gestic" features.  It is a great 
>dance to remove the common misconception that Playford dances are 
>"stuffy"


ah - and moves them into the "silly" category?

There's always ranting and skipping ya know!  Sorry - I was required 
by law to say that.

I'd like to report too that at a training session that I was in the 
last three weeks, we had to give various "amazing" information about 
ourselves which would be given out without attribution to the group 
for them to guess who.  Mine was that I danced in iron-clad, 
wooden-soled shoes.  When the group didn't guess who it was at the 
end, I had to explain, along with the concept that I did dances (not 
in those shoes) many of which came from the late 17th century.

That probably sealed just how very strange I am.  The feeling was 
mutual in some regards since many in the room reported three days 
running that what they'd done the night before was eat dinner and sit 
on the couch.  Blew my mind.

Mary Beth <-- being a quilter was odd enough without the shoes.

Mary Beth
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At 08:28 05/10/01, you wrote:

>>... Mooie opname! Succes met het project - zeer zeker de
>>moeite!

Unlike many people in the western world (but just like very many people
elsewhere), I am not restricted to one language and am delighted when these
very monolingual mailing lists become really international.

The Scottish list became bilingual a few weeks ago, and now ECD-AT-
 is moving
in the same direction, which is no more than justice, considering how
popular ECD is in the flatter parts of Europe*. It's an international pastime.

Vive la mondialisation pluriculturelle.
Wilkomen in de beste danskring der wereld
(craving your indulgence, Philippe :-) )

Martin
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Moin -
wat dat nich allns gifft! Nu fangt Ji ouk noch an in annere Tungn to
praatn. Blots de Nomn fun all de Ringelpietz - de lot man beter in Inglsch!

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Thanks for the responses on the microphone headset question.  I think it
was one for & 2 against--not an overwhelming majority! 

Allison
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On Sat, 6 Oct 2001, Allison M Thompson wrote:

> Thanks for the responses on the microphone headset question.  I think it
> was one for & 2 against--not an overwhelming majority!

I'll add my voice: I've used one a lot, and when I need it, it's a great
tool.  I stopped using it because I used it so much it, the positioning
mechanism wore out and needs reconditioning, and I haven't got around to
having that done yet.  It is a Crown CM-311 microphone, whis an excellent,
highly directional microphone that produces excellent vocal quality with
very little problem with feedback; the headset part is less than ideal,
being somewhat difficult to adjust satisfactorily and rather uncomfortable
to wear, but it still beats anything else I have tried. I use it with a
little Shure belt-pack transmitter, the receiver I have is not a diversity
system, but I have had very little problem with drop-out in small- to
medium-sized rooms using it. The microphone has its own belt pack, too, so
I have to wear two when I'm using it, not ideal, but it was worth the
trouble when I wanted to be able to dance and call simultaneously
(something I like to do a lot!).

Eric Arnold
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On Sat, 6 Oct 2001, Hanny D. Budnick wrote:

> Moin -
> wat dat nich allns gifft! Nu fangt Ji ouk noch an in annere Tungn to
> praatn. Blots de Nomn fun all de Ringelpietz - de lot man beter in Inglsch!

Ach! Was ist dass fuer eine deutsche Sprache?

Eric

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I appeal to the listowner: can we please stop the attempts to turn this into 
a list which discusses non-ECD topics? I'm referring at the moment to the 
long message about Morocco. I'm glad the young lady who wrote it is fine and 
happy. I won't respond to the rest of her report except to say that it is 
out of bounds.

Is this an ECD list... Or is it anything goes?

Alas, I'm afraid it's time this became a moderated list.

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On Sat, 6 Oct 2001, Stephen D. Corrsin wrote:

> I appeal to the listowner: can we please stop the attempts to turn this into 
> a list which discusses non-ECD topics? I'm referring at the moment to the 
> long message about Morocco. I'm glad the young lady who wrote it is fine and 
> happy. I won't respond to the rest of her report except to say that it is 
> out of bounds.

with all due respect to mr. corrsin, whose point i don't entirely dispute,
i think the message he refers to falls into a grey area. 

because i'm acquainted with chloe (a regular english dancer, like her
parents), i'm glad to have received this news of her; i didn't even know
she was studying in morocco.

many list members shared their personal reactions to & experiences related
to the events of sept. 11 weeks ago; part of chloe's message falls in this
category.  on the other hand, it isn't particularly ecd-related (as
valuable as i think it is to hear of reactions from outside europe and the
english-speaking world).

i think the list has been remarkably receptive to the listowner's
indications of what is and isn't on topic.  i don't see the need for
anyone to actually start screening our posts.

susie lorand

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I've been a satisfied user of a Shure diversity headset microphone for about
five or six years. New units are UHF vs. VHF, and therefore receivers are
more compact and antennae less susceptible to dames (though that's never
been an issue in my experience. New Shure handheld microphones come with a
nice carrying case for everything.  If the headsets have a similar case,
that would be a real plus. I made my own from original packing materials.
Shure headset has a weak point -- where the microphone unit attaches to wire
frame, but there's an easy fix for it.  customer service from Shure was, in
my experience, excellent. You will find some sound technicians and a few
other folks who have negative attitudes toward headset. In my experience,
that has declined -- I haven't heard any complaints from anyone in the last
couple of years; though it is important to keep in touch with dancers' need
to be able to hear -- sometimes you can be fooled.  I always ask to have the
"regular" callers' microphone set up as a backup and for announcements.

One thing to be aware of in using headsets is the "spaceman" effect. It
feels weird and takes a while to get used to wearing one.

For anyone who does one-night stands, dance parties and that sort of event,
I believe a headset is an extremely valuable tool.

R.

Ridge Kennedy
Washington, NJ (No Exit)
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I apologize for poor proofreading . . .

> more compact and antennae less susceptible to *damage* (though that's
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I see both points.  A lot of us make solid social connections through dance
(I've had four girlfriends that I met dancing) and find kindred spirits on
and off the dance floor.

However, I also know that there may be people you enjoy dancing with that
you wouldn't socialize with for a million bucks.

One solution would be to have a secondary e-list -- say, ECD-OT -- for
discussion of off-topic subjects that may or may not be of interest to
dancers: recipes, politics, appeals for donations, humor, whatever.  Then
people that wanted to participate in non-dance discussions would have a
place to do so without disturbing those who only want to talk about dance.

Tom Vincent

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>
> On Sat, 6 Oct 2001, Stephen D. Corrsin wrote:
>
> > I appeal to the listowner: can we please stop the attempts to turn this
into
> > a list which discusses non-ECD topics? I'm referring at the moment to
the
> > long message about Morocco. I'm glad the young lady who wrote it is fine
and
> > happy. I won't respond to the rest of her report except to say that it
is
> > out of bounds.
>
> with all due respect to mr. corrsin, whose point i don't entirely dispute,
> i think the message he refers to falls into a grey area.
>
> because i'm acquainted with chloe (a regular english dancer, like her
> parents), i'm glad to have received this news of her; i didn't even know
> she was studying in morocco.
>
> many list members shared their personal reactions to & experiences related
> to the events of sept. 11 weeks ago; part of chloe's message falls in this
> category.  on the other hand, it isn't particularly ecd-related (as
> valuable as i think it is to hear of reactions from outside europe and the
> english-speaking world).
>
> i think the list has been remarkably receptive to the listowner's
> indications of what is and isn't on topic.  i don't see the need for
> anyone to actually start screening our posts.
>
> susie lorand

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--- Mary Beth Goodman <mgoodman-AT-
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> That probably sealed just how very strange I am.  

None of us would consider you any stranger than ourselves.

>The feeling was mutual in some regards since many in the room
> reported three days running that what they'd done the night
> before was eat dinner and sit on the couch. 

Was that with or without the TV turned on?

> Blew my mind.

I can't imagine just sitting with nothing to do.

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Platt, Eric, Platt!

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All,

One of the beginner's classes I'm teaching this fall
includes a large contingent from a Scottish dance
group recently disbanded.

While English and Scottish dancing certainly seem to
have a great deal in common (I'm not a Scottish dancer
myself--to the great shame of my ancestral heritage!),
there are elements of style that do differ.  Scottish
setting, for example.  The Scottish dancers employ the
familiar bouncing highland style with knees high and
pointed toes.

I'm interested in the approach others on this list may
have taken with respect to differences in style
between ECD and Scottish:  Merely accomodate them as
matter of individual preference or attempt to move
everybody to more of a care-free and free-flowing ECD
environment in the interest of uniformity of
presentation?

Thanks in advance for any
observations/suggestions/cautions.

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William wrote:

> One of the beginner's classes I'm teaching this fall
> includes a large contingent from a Scottish dance
> group recently disbanded.

> While English and Scottish dancing certainly seem to
> have a great deal in common (I'm not a Scottish dancer
> myself--to the great shame of my ancestral heritage!),
> there are elements of style that do differ.  Scottish
> setting, for example.  The Scottish dancers employ the
> familiar bouncing highland style with knees high and
> pointed toes.


> I'm interested in the approach others on this list may
> have taken with respect to differences in style
> between ECD and Scottish:  Merely accomodate them as
> matter of individual preference or attempt to move
> everybody to more of a care-free and free-flowing ECD
> environment in the interest of uniformity of
> presentation?

> Thanks in advance for any
> observations/suggestions/cautions.


You're set up to teach classes, where people are actually expecting to be
coached and told how to do it "right"?

Cool!  In that case, figure out what's right and tell the Scottish dancers
to do it that way.  If they're RSCDS Scots, they'll be used to that approach, 
and they'll probably be happier than if you don't try to 'fix' their style
and just release them into the wider community to bounce higher than the 
rest of the dancers do.

What I'd probably actually do (despite the advice I just gave you) is do my 
best to make sure that the Scottish dancers knew that there was a difference 
in styles, and then not hassle them too much about honoring it.  

(Some dancers are perfectly happy setting "bilingually"; others don't have
room in their heads/muscles for more than one kind of setting to each kind of
music.)

Incidentally, the RSCDS Scottish style - skip-changing everywhere, not walking,
showy setting steps - is a lot more like ECD of the ballroom c. 1800 than the
modern ECD style is.  It is my personal belief that the large number of late
1700s-early 1800s dances that have two settings in a row in them (cf. Dover
Pier) are actually designed to show off improvised balances, and that
uniformity was not encouraged.

How important is uniformity of presentation to you?  It's not a big historical
value, but that's by-the-by; it's today we're concerned with.

-- Alan
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I just wanted to report on our 2nd (and possibly annual?) dance with the
great Baroque quartette, Chatham Baroque, here in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania
USA on 9/29/01.

It was a rousing success, pulling in people outside the usual folk
community (with tickets priced at $20 US, it was a bit of an anxiety, but
we broke even!)

I had wished, as so many in the ECD community have done since 9/11, to
dance Fried's Peace Be With You, but, alas, I had mailed the music too
late to the musicians & they hadn't received it and I hadn't brought
extra copies to the dance. So I had to give this idea up.

But we closed the evening with Graham Christian's new dance, Angels
Unawares, published in the most recent CDSS News, & this is a lovely,
lovely, lovely dance which should become a FAVE RAVE with EC dancers
everywhere.  Beautiful tune. Very simple dance for all to grasp (well,
let me elaborate that the inside/outside-up/down setting took several
demos, but once everyone had it in their bones it was loverly) and
Graham's "liner notes" added a touch of poignancy which certainly brought
me to tears if no one else!  If you haven't tried this dance yet, please
do!


Allison






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To: ECD-AT-
SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Subject: Re: Scottish dancing style vs. ECD
Mcdjr wrote,
I'm interested in the approach others on this list may
have taken with respect to differences in style
between ECD and Scottish: Merely accomodate them as
matter of individual preference or attempt to move
everybody to more of a care-free and free-flowing ECD
environment in the interest of uniformity of
presentation?

You raise an interesting point. As a former teacher of international 
folkdance, I'm all for noting the similarities and differences and trying 
as hard as one can to teach and learn to dance each ethnic style as close 
to the original as possible. Its rather like trying to speak a foreign 
language without an accent. How sad if we dance everything the same and 
don't treasure the stylistic differences that make the dances of our common 
heritage unique! I hope I look Scottish when dancing a strathspey, and 
Irish when dancing a ceili and English when teaching ECD, (and western 
Bulgarian when doing a Shopsko and Hungarian when dancing a csardas.) And 
American only when doing contras and squares.

I imagine the Scots have already noticed that people at an English dance 
move a bit differently, dont turn out their feet, and set without a jete. 
Encorporating it into their dancing may take a little longer, since they 
have had a lot of training to produce the perfect Scottish style they come 
with, and since they will be thinking a lot about the geometry and getting 
to the right place for a while without being able to give attention to 
style. But they are used to there being a correct way to do things in their 
own style, and so would probably expect to make adjustments to ECD style.

My main suggestion would be to point out the differences.-- In English 
dance we set, but its a little different from what you are used to if you 
Scottish dance. Show it, let them practice it separately from the dance, 
and don't get depressed when the stress of figuring out the geometry of the 
next dance causes them to revert to the familiar style of Scottish. It does 
take some time.

It may help if you recognise that Scottish dancers already have more 
similarities to ECD style than contra dancers, know more figures that are 
common to both traditions (but have to learn new names for them), and have 
a lot of assets that total beginners do not have. In Scottish dancing the 
arms are long and relaxed and the use of space is generous. (The tension, 
bent elbows and cramped use of space is about the hardest thing contra 
dancers have to overcome.) The Scottish dancer already knows that they are 
to dance with the phrase of the music, and they expect there to be a 
"right" way to do everything (and are surprised when ECD doesn't have a 
rule to cover certain situations.) Scottish dancers are accustomed to less 
teaching of the geometry (once through for the top couple of a set dance 
and the rest of you are expected to figure it out from watching) and they 
rarely call the dance once the music has started, so they are accustomed to 
focusing on the teaching and catching onto patterns quickly. Most of their 
dances are triple minor dances, done in a four couple set, so they even do 
those without confusion. You might acknowledge the assets they arrive with 
as well as giving a nudge in the direction of ECD setting steps and 
parallel feet.

Victoria in Seattle, where we have had an influx of Scottish dancers to the 
ECD community recently and they are making a very positive contribution.


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William wrote:
"One of the beginner's classes I'm teaching this fall includes a large
contingent from a Scottish dance group recently disbanded."

Some things to expect:

1) Sets will widen a bit.  As Victoria pointed out, in SCD "use of space is
generous."

2) You might have a sense that the dancing is crisper and more precise.  In
conjunction with this, you may be asked, "Is this dancing supposed to be
phrased?"  This is because:

a) Scottish dancers learn to dance out a phrase fully, ending a figure at
the setline before beginning the next figure.  Take, for example, the
two-hand turn at the end of "Jack's Health."  Scottish dancers will let go
of hands around Bar 7 of the phrase and curve out to the setline on Bar 8 to
finish that turn at the setline before beginning the next repetition of the
dance on Bar 1.

b) Another way of looking at this is to say that Scottish dancers
distinguish between the concepts of "one figure flowing into the next" and
"one figure blurring into the next."  Besides the example above, another
illustration would be that of "Jack's Maggot":  Scottish dancers would
complete the second hey on Bar 8 (of the A2 music) at the setlines; they
would then move into the R-hands across at the start of the B1 music. That
would represent  one figure "flowing" into the next.  Compare this with
finishing the second hey on Bar 7, putting hands in on Bar 8, possibly even
starting to move the hands-across at the very end of Bar 8.  That would
represent one figure "blurring" into the next.

c) The expression "anticipate the phrase" to a Scottish dancer does not mean
chugging back before dancing forward from the setline, nor starting to dance
forward from the setline on Bar 8 of the previous phrase; rather, it just
means "get off your heels" (in other words, "get ready to move").

d) Scottish dancers are trained to keep straight lines and to cover with
other dancers in the set.

3) Victoria also mentioned that most Scottish dances are triple minors, done
in a four couple set.  The terms "duple minor" and "triple minor" are not
used in SCD, so most dancers who do only SCD don't know that they are doing
triple minors.  It's true that they are accustomed to changing from 3s to
2s; but, in the four couple set, there is no experience of changing from 2s
to 3s.  In fact, the whole concept of "longways for as many as will" can be
confusing to them and many will have to be reminded that *all* the first
couples start dancing when the music begins.

4) You will be asked, more than once, "how many bars for that?"


Pat

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I took the liberty of forwarding this post to Dr David Kettlewell for
comment on the Finnish and Hungarian being close languages...

Alan Corkett

(May I explain that David is English born and lives in Sweden and was a
visiting professor for Tartu University, Estonia. He currently acts as
webweaver for the Halsway Manor Folk Music centre, in UK.)
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>You may have a view about the Estonian aspect...

I don't know what any of this is about, but I'm afraid it's not very well
informed ... You're welcome to quote the rest of this message to the
discussion list ...
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>>Hungarian is the closest language to Finnish ...
>Estonian is closer to Finnish than Hungarian.

Of course: Estonians who live by the north coast, which includes the
capital Tallinn, watch Finnish TV as a normal thing; people who grew up
doing that speak Finnish without having to learn it as a separate
language. The grammar is 85% the same, and the majority of words are
similar or the same. You could compare the situation with standard
southern English and Geordie - if you're not used to it, they feel
different, but if you watched enough TV, you wouldn't have to learn it as
a separate language.

The Saame (Lapp) language, is also closer to Finnish than Hungarian,
though a lot less close than Estonian.

>> once you've learned Hungarian maybe it will only be
>> a small jump to understanding Finns.

The Estonian students I've had who have been to Hungary agree that
whatever links there are, they're pretty well hidden - the links are seen
by theoretical linguisticians, not by native speakers!

>> Most of the Scandinavians don't, although I was once told that,
>> at least in the old Swede-Finn part of the country, the language
>>  is just Swedish with Finnish endings.

This is quite a muddle. Swedish and Finnish are as different as English
and Gaelic. There are parts of Finland which have traditionally been
populated by Swedes speaking a variant of Swedish and for whom Finnish is
a completely foreign language, just as there are lowland Scots whose
language is a variant of English, and for whom Gaelic is completely
foreign.  Another comparison would be between Walloons and Flemings in
Belgium ... The Swedes living in Finland are not called Finns, any more
than lowland Scots people are called Gaels or Celts, nor are they
genetically Finnish: they're called 'Finland Swedes', and their variant
of Swedish is called 'Finland's Swedish'.

There are certainly no special grammatical endings in Finland's Swedish:
they have a dialect which is considered beautiful in Sweden, and their
actors are very highly regarded in Swedish theatre, speaking in their
normal accent; ditto authors, like Tove Jansson (Mumin Troll); they have
retained some older forms, like '18' is still 'aderton' in Finland's
Swedish, while it's become contracted to 'arton' in standard Swedish: but
otherwise the language is essentially the same, and there are no barriers
to immediate understanding.

> the Swede-Finn part of the country

It's hardly one part, but rather, a lot of different areas, some of them
separated by Finnish areas: the central west coast is predominantly
Finnish, while traditionally the south-west mainland coast, the Åland
islands, and the northern part of the West coast are predominantly
Swedish; but to a large extent, there are Swedish and Finnish villages
cheek-by-jowl, as there always were Saame (Lapp), Swedish and Finnish
cultures side-by-side in the far north, and Estonian, Setu and Russian
villages side-by-side in Setuland, around the present Estonian-Russian
border ... the concept of the nationalist state is after all only 200
years old, and if you try to look at earlier phenomenon through later
frames of reference, things *will* be muddled ...

> the old Swede-Finn part/s of the country

Hmmm ... they're no older than any other part of the country, of course!
What is perhaps 'old' is that Finland was part of Sweden until after the
Napoleonic wars ...

www.NewRenaissance.ibs.ee/swedish

Best wishes

David

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A short addition...
Alan
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>If you sent it in, you might add 
>
>"David has lived in Sweden for 20 years, and that his partner is 
>half-Estonian, half-Russian..."
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Daag, Hanny,

Is that how they'd pronounce my name in Plattdeutschland (actually I nearly
wrote SAfrica)?

Oh, well, when my Gaelic-speaking girl-friend called me Martin, she
pronounced "a varshin"

I hasten to say that we did ECD together (therefore on topic ;-)

Here in France, I have to put up with the anglophiles who think my name
should be said with stress on the last syllable, which comes out as the
very feminine name "Martiiiiiine"

A dance by any other name would step as stately.

Anonymous in Grenoble


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Dear anonymous -
'Mattn' or 'Maartn' would be more likely. 'Moin' is the universal greeting,
a corruption of 'Good morning'.
Casting off with regards,

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Subject: Re: Sweet Kate & Bluff King Hal

1) Bluff King Hal
    I have spoken tonight to a good friend who dances with the morris side
from Bidford and he confirms that his team danced Bluff King Hal a few years
ago in Bristol.  If you would like more information about the team you could
try www.shakespearemorris.org.uk

2) Sweet Kate.
     I have called this excellent little dance several times here in
England, and I think it was well received as a light hearted and fun dance.
I also belong to a Playford display team, and we have used Sweet Kate once
or twice to encourage complete beginners in our audience to try a little
dancing with us. As it is pure fun, it gets everyone laughing and relaxing,
and on one occasion we managed to get a number of  delegates to an
international conference (whom we were entertaining) to join in, for a truly
cosmopolitan version of it, which was very enjoyable.

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Ann Higley wrote...
2) Sweet Kate....was well received as a light hearted and fun dance. I also
belong to a Playford display team, and we have used Sweet Kate once or twice
to encourage complete beginners in our audience to try a little dancing with
us.

As it is pure fun, it gets everyone laughing and relaxing, and on one
occasion we managed to get a number of  delegates to an international
conference (whom we were entertaining) to join in, for a truly cosmopolitan
version of it, which was very enjoyable.


This sounds like the sort of enjoyable activity we encourage 52 weeks of the
year at Halsway Manor residential folk music centre (www.halswaymanor.co.uk)
. I know Bristol is a long way away but do come and see us sometime in
Somerset!
Have pure fun ...Alan Corkett

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Helene Cornelius  will be calling historic and modern English Country 
Dances on Monday, October 15, 2001, from 7:30 to 9:30 p.m at Wilmar 
Community Center, 953 Jenifer Street, Madison, hosted by the Madison 
English Country Dancers.

Music is provided by the Wylmar Centre English Country Dance Consort of 
Karen Cornelius, Mike Briggs and   Susan Conant.


For additional information including map and contact information o connect 
to the Madison English Country Dance webpage 
at   http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/mecds/home.htm.

Mike


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<b>Helene Cornelius</b>&nbsp; will be calling historic and modern English
Country Dances on Monday, October 15, 2001, from 7:30 to 9:30 p.m at
Wilmar Community Center, 953 Jenifer Street, Madison, hosted by the
Madison English Country Dancers.&nbsp;&nbsp; <br><br>
Music is provided by the <i>Wylmar Centre English Country Dance Consort
</i>of<b> </b>Karen Cornelius, Mike Briggs and&nbsp;&nbsp; Susan
Conant.<br><br>
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For additional information including map and contact information o
connect to the Madison English Country Dance webpage at&nbsp;&nbsp;
<a href="http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/mecds/home.htm" eudora="autourl">http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/mecds/home.htm</a>.
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Country Dance * New York just held it’s wonderful True Brit getaway over the 
holiday weekend, and it was as fun-filled as ever. Neither the cold nor 
rains dampened the spirit or energy of the dancers as we cavorted on lovely 
Sylvan Lake in Dutchess County, NY.

One of the highlights of the weekend was the release of the _Old Friends_ 
CD, of Gary Roodman dances, with music supplied by MGM & Reunion. I’ve been 
listening to it for a week now (I had gotten an advance copy) and am amazed 
at the artistry of the musicians. Of course, Gary selects very interesting 
music to begin with, but what these folks do with it is just marvelous. The 
track of Good Man of Cambridge, especially, is worth the cost of the whole 
CD!

Hats off to Mary Lea, Gene Murrow, Margaret Ann Martin, Dan Beerbohm, 
Barbara Greenberg, & Jonathan Jensen!

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Dear Margherita and ECDers,

Thanks for your fine words of praise about Gary Roodman's CD, "Old
Friends"...
It *is* really good, isn't it!

Copies are available from CDSS, from Gary, from the musicians, from Ann and
Derek Appleing in the UK, and from me (Susan) via an order form which I'll
post to this list (if such posting is OK with Alan...)

There are 17 tunes on the CD:

-Laisteridge Lane (tune: Kettledrum)
-Trip to the Manors
-The Homecoming
-Old Friends
-True Kit
-Fine Lady of Homewood
-Marching to Praetorius
-Cadgers' Other Caper
-Benjamin's Birth Day
-The Wrights of Lichfield
-A Retiring Fellow
-Sarah
-Twenty-Something
-Good Man of Cambridge
-A New Beginning
-Audrey & Andrea
-Winter Dreams

All good wishes from Susan Murrow (producer)

 

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Susan wrote:

> Copies are available from CDSS, from Gary, from the musicians, from Ann and
> Derek Appleing in the UK, and from me (Susan) via an order form which I'll
> post to this list (if such posting is OK with Alan...)

Yes, it's fine with me.  First, I think it's a service to the membership.
Second, even if everybody in the world who had an ECD CD in print did the same,
it wouldn't increase traffic very much.

However, please put a note on the form when you post it that people should
not reply to the list with their filled-out forms.  


> There are 17 tunes on the CD:

> -Laisteridge Lane (tune: Kettledrum)

Is this a longways for as many as will?  How many times through?  (I'm
wondering because Chris Sackett and Brooke Friendly have a nice dance,
"Puck's Deceit", to this tune (if I'm not mistaken), and it would be handy
to note this recording as an alternative.  Not if it's just 3(AB), though.

-- Alan

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Hi, Susan:

> About Gary Roodman's CD, "Old Friends"...
> Copies are available from CDSS, from Gary, from the musicians, from Ann and
> Derek Appleing in the UK, and from me (Susan)

Sounds great. Just one question:

Does the CD have included with it the notations
of the dances for which the music is played?

Like "The Assembly Players" CD's.

Regards, John

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Dear Alan,

Thanks very much for your reply and for giving permission to post an order
form.  I'll send it later this evening... and will remind people to return
the order form via standard mail carrier rather than replying to the list!

In answer to your question about the tune "Kettledrum" (used on the CD for
Gary's dance, Laisteridge Lane) --  Yes!  This recording works fine for
Chris & Brooke's dance, Puck's Deceit, which uses the same AABB format 7
times through.

All good wishes from Susan
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Dear ECDers,
If you'd like to order Gary Roodman's "Old Friends" CD via this
list-service, please print out the order form which follows and send it via
snail mail along with your payment.   (Don't reply to the list!)

ORDER FORM for "Old Friends" -- the CD and booklet!
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = 
A wonderful collection of tunes for 17 of Gary Roodman's dances played by
musical friends, MGM and Reunion.  
 1. Laisteridge Lane (tune: Kettledrum)
 2. Trip to the Manors
 3. The Homecoming
 4. Old Friends 
 5. True Kit
 6. Fine Lady of Homewood
 7. Marching to Praetorius
 8. Cadgers' Other Caper
 9. Benjamin's Birth Day
10. The Wrights of Lichfield
11. A Retiring Fellow
12. Sarah
13. Twenty-Something
14. Good Man of Cambridge
15. A New Beginning
16. Audrey & Andrea
17. Winter Dreams

The musicians play the tunes at dance length and tempo -- several times
through, depending on the structure of each dance.  The CD cover provides
information about sources of music and dance, formation, key, time
signature, structure, number of rounds recorded, overall time, and starting
time for B music.  The instructions for these seventeen dances may be found
in the first five books of Gary's "Calculated Figures" dance collections.

For those who would like to order a separate booklet containing
instructions for these 17 dances alone, Gary has prepared a separate
printing, and you may order it along with the CD (see below)

Please complete the following information and send it along with your
cheque for the total, made payable to Amegus Corp., c/o Susan Murrow, 17
Riverview Farm Road, Ossining, NY 10562.   If you have any questions
regarding your order, please call Susan at (914) 762-8619.

Name: _________________________ phone: _________
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City: _________________ State:__________ Zip: ______

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                                                Total    =    $
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Another country heard from - I played the CD for the first time last
night, (after getting MOST of my stuff unpacked from True Brit), and
can report that my Russian house-mate also likes it very much.  (Goes
without saying that I love it).  So, here you have a great gift idea
for friends and penpal from the former Soviet Union.

Barbara

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> Dear Alan,
> 
> Thanks very much for your reply and for giving permission to post
> an order
> form.  I'll send it later this evening... and will remind people to
> return
> the order form via standard mail carrier rather than replying to
> the list!


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Would your Russian friend like a Halsway Manor "Live music CD? It gives a
wide selection of traditional music and raises money for an educational
charity. For a sample go to www.halswaymanor.co.uk


Barbara...reported " that my Russian house-mate also likes it very much"


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ECDers --

Apparently there's some kind of misconfiguration or misconceived attempt at
avoiding spam over at freeserve.co.uk, where the ECD list has several
subscribers.

They're bouncing ECD email even from other freeserve.co.uk people, claiming
that the the hosts from which the messages come are blacklisted.  The bounce
messages come from mail-in.pol.net.uk, which is doubtless trying to do spam
filtering for the whole freeserve domain.

I'm including this note so that when the freeserve subscribers who can't get
email check the archives, they'll see it and know what's going on; this may
also answer the questions of people trying to write Alan Corkett directly 
about the Halsway Manor CD.

-- Alan


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I'm on Freeserve and my ECD mail comes through, and my posts do to.

Ron Hawkins



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ECDers --

Apparently there's some kind of misconfiguration or misconceived attempt at
avoiding spam over at freeserve.co.uk, where the ECD list has several
subscribers.

They're bouncing ECD email even from other freeserve.co.uk people, claiming
that the the hosts from which the messages come are blacklisted.  The bounce
messages come from mail-in.pol.net.uk, which is doubtless trying to do spam
filtering for the whole freeserve domain.

I'm including this note so that when the freeserve subscribers who can't get
email check the archives, they'll see it and know what's going on; this may
also answer the questions of people trying to write Alan Corkett directly
about the Halsway Manor CD.

-- Alan


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I've been playing the music for this from Peter Barnes's book, and would
really like to find directions for the dance.  Can anyone point me to a
source or possibly give me the directions?

John Daly
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John Daly wrote:

> I've been playing the music for this from Peter Barnes's book, and would
> really like to find directions for the dance.  Can anyone point me to a
> source or possibly give me the directions?

"Miss Barrett's Waltz" as a triple minor longways for as many as will can
be found in the Fallibroome Collection, volume 4.

It's been at least six years since I last called it, and I don't have the
notation online.  As I recall, it was a nice little dance, but tended to 
go on forever - you might want to try it in short sets.  It doesn't offer
that much to the 2s and 3s.

From memory, possibly fallible - see if this fits:

Men balance in lines of three, circle three.
Women the same.

Ones down the center and back and cast off to middle place.

Ones turn each other R, turn first corner L, turn each other R, turn second
corner L, turn each other R, turn each other L.


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My how quickly time goes by when you don't have enough of it!

Here it is the middle of October and I have not yet made my
traditional announcement about NOMAD, Connecticut's annual festival
of traditional and ethnic music and dance, which begins in two weeks!
 Yes, NOMAD is in OCTOBER this year, specifically October 26-28, not
November as it has been in the previous two years, so don't be fooled
and miss it.  

While it is not quite all-English, all the time, NOMAD over the past
several years has developed into one of the leading festivals for
English dancing.  This year we have scheduled 13 hours of
participatory English dance, plus a performance by Reel Nutmeg,
featuring such luminaries of the calling world as Sharon Green, Helen
Davenport, Robin Hayden, Mary Jones, Peggy Vermilya, Martha Davies,
Graham Christian (who I'm sure can be persuaded to include "Angels
Unawares" in his session if we ask politely), Rich Galloway, Marge
Potter and Gary Roodman, fresh from the triumphant release of his
recently mentioned CD. (You've heard the music - now dance the
dances.  And btw, if you haven't heard the music, you will be able to
pick up copies of the CD at the Performers Sales booth at NOMAD -
right Gary?)  Musical groups will include Flying Romanos, Hudson
Crossing, Bob's Your Uncle, and probably other configurations of
musicians which have never existed before and will never be heard
together again.  This may be your ONLY chance to experience them.

Of course NOMAD also includes, contras, squares, Scottish, Irish,
international, French, Italian, Israeli, Ukranian, Balkin, waltz,
swing etc. dance workshops and performances, Morris and sword dance
performances, and a complete program of folk and ethnic music,
including a two-hour sea shanty-blast, an old-timey/bluegrass party,
ballads, funny songs, opportunities to jam and this year a
performance by Shouman, a performing music and dance troupe from
Bulgaria.

Complete information on NOMAD is available on our web site at
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/8797/.

Friday evening opens with a contra dance and, for those who choose to
not sully their feet so vulgarly, a sampler concert, featuring
mini-concerts by several of the singers and musicians who will be
performing over the rest of the weekend.

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Whoops, I thought I corrected this before i went away.
Copy below is correct.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Priscilla Burrage       Vermont US
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Subject: Re: Apple betty

Apple Brown Betty   (serves 6)

75 ml	(5 US tablespoons) 	melted butter
230 g	(1 US cup) 		dry breadcrumbs [preferably homemade)

.75 kilo (1.5 lb)	 	tart apples, peeled and sliced and
				  coated with lemon juice
200 - 250 g			brown sugar
1/2 teaspoon	(5 ml size)	cinnamon
1/2 lemon, juice and grated rind

Mix apples (with lemon & rind), sugar, and cinnamon in a bowl.
Toss melted butter and crumbs togethr.  Butter casserole or glass oven
baking dish with butter, add about a third of the butter-crumb mix.  Add a
layer, about half, of apple mix, another layer of butter-crumb mix, and
the rest of the apple mix.  Put final layer of butter-crumb mix on top.

Cover with lid or foil and bake at 325 deg F (175 deg C) fo about 25
minutes.  Uncover and bake another 20 minutes.

Serve with heavy cream or fat-free substitute, or, in the UK, custard
sauce.

Enjoy,
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Priscilla Burrage       Vermont US
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2001 JBGrun-AT-
aol.com wrote:

> Hi Priscilla! Your recipe is very close to the one in my tattered old Joy of
> Cooking. Now, does anyone remember "Floating Island?" (How's that for a dance
> title...?)

It's probably where I found it and changed it.  Before I took my old copy
up to our summer camp, I copied over the recipes I had modified onto 3 x 5
cards, but wihtout a source.

Did you go to True Brit?  How was it?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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[From the Morris Dance Discussion List]

Date:    Fri, 12 Oct 2001 15:01:51 -0700
From:    Alex Naar <alexnaar-AT-
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Subject: Steve Adams - CDSS Memorial Fund

As most of you know Steve Adams, Former squire of Marlboro Morris and Sword
and with the Bouwerie Boys and Thames Valley International, was killed in
the World Trade Center attacks.

        Steve's family suggests that donations in Steves memory be sent to the
Country Dance and Song Society, PO Box 338, Haydenville, MA, 01039. Gifts in
Steves memory will be used to establish a memorial scholarship fund that
will offer scholarships at CDSS summer programs to ritual dancers.
Please include a note such as in memory of Steve Adams, or for the Steve
Adams Memorial Fund with your gift.

Thanks very much from his family and his friends for all of your kind wo rds
and thoughts.  It has helped greatly.

Peace,

Alex Naar
 

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Dear Susie,

Your housemate said that you would likely not be home until this evening, so I'm
e-mailing this request.

Are you available and wanting to play for either the November (2001) ball workshop
and evening dance, or the March (2002) afternoon workshop and evening dance.

Please tell me if either is OK, or if both are possible (so I would have the
flexibility in scheduling other music).

I would leave it to you to decide on the musicians.  For the upcoming flyer, it is
more important to know yes / no than the names of others, so you can say yes now,
with details to follow.

For your information, the other bands penciled in are A Joyful Noise, TLC, Flying
Romanos, and Jovial Beggars.  Thus, neither Judy K., Roberta T., or Mary Lee and
Doug S/K are scheduled to play this season

Thanks,

Sam.

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Dear ECD list,

I inadvertently clicked reply to send a message to Susie and sent it to the whole
list.

Please accept my apologies,

Sam Rotenberg



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I'm posting information on the Harrisburg (PA) Ball on behalf of Jerri
Laughery.
Stephanie Smith

Central Pennsylvania English Country Dancers Present their Eighth Annual
English Harvest Ball,
Saturday, November 3, 2001 at Christ the Savior Eastern Orthodox Church,
5501 Locust Lane,
Colonial Park, Harrisburg, PA.   The dance hall is located about 1.5
miles east of I 83.
It is about a three hour drive from NYC and two hours from DC.

Band:   Tea & Spice       Caller: Sue Dupré          Dress: Formal,
Period or Dressy Attire

Program:
6:30 p.m.    Reception
7:00 p. m.   Grand March followed by Dancing until 11:30 p.m.
9:30 p.m.    Refreshments

Afternoon Ball Practice: 1 p.m to 3 p.m same location.

Tickets:   By October 20 - $15.00 per person        After  October 20 -
$18.00 per person

For more information, call Jerri at (717) 469-2418 or email Marilyn at
mfoxly-AT-
paonline.com

To register send your name(s), address, phone number, (email) and check
made out to “Harvest Ball” to Harvest Ball, 1013 Trail Road,
Hummelstown, PA 17036
Include an SASE to receive a booklet of dance instructions

Dances will be chosen from the following:

A New Beginning           Fandango                  Mount Hills
Auretti’s Dutch Skipper  Fenterlarick               Mrs. Pomeroy’s
Pavane
The Bishop                     Fine Companion        Sarah
Comical Fellow               Freeford Gardens      Slof Galliard
Dublin Bay                      Gentle Shepherd        Trip to Paris
Duke of Kent’s Waltz      Heidenroslein            Volpony
Dunant House Waltz        Highland Lilt             Wedding Ring
Easter Morn                    Lover’s Knot            Well Hall
Elizabeth                         Michael & All Angels Winterdream’s
Waltz





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Yes, NOMAD is a good festival, with plenty of variety -- never a dull 
moment.  Oct 26-28.  A small spelling correction re the last posting --
It's Martha DAVEY (not Davies).  13 hours of English!  Yay!  But do 
rest your weary tootsies and come round singing with me and my
buddies -- 2 sessions plus the Fri  nt sampler -- and also a gospel
session.  See ya.

By the way, this coming weekend (Oct 19-21) is a chance to dance with
JIM KITCH at the NY Pinewoods Folk Music Club's Fall Weekend
in western Connecticut.  (There's also spectacular Fall foliage and a
great lineup of performers and workshops.)  If interested, contact 
me off-list at  solweber-AT-
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+++++Sol "Roundman"  Weber --- "So many rounds, so little time"
+++++25-14  37th St, Astoria, NY 11103; 718-278-4389 (after 11am)
++SINGERS and musicians, contact me for info on books, albums, and 
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Although it is with the greatest reluctance that I shall have to decline
your invitation to cross the ocean and join you all on the dance floor ...
may I ask whether the ECD "Gentle Shepherd" , mentioned on the program, is
different from the SCD version (and if so, I'd be pleased to learn what
figures are involved)?

Martin,
 in Grenoble, France.

 http://perso.wanadoo.fr/scots.in.france/scd.htm
              (dance groups,  events,  some new dances ...)
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While strolling through weblogs I found this link to a recent LA Times article
on the subject.  

"The first case of Stuck Tune Syndrome is lost to history. If ancient Romans had
'Parvus Orbis Est' (Latin for 'It's a Small World') chirping incessantly in
their heads, they were kind enough not to mention it."

(mind my artificial line break in the URL)

http://www.latimes.com/news/science/
la-000080020oct07.story?coll=la-news-science


Vanessa
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THE 20th ANNUAL BFMS BALTIMORE PLAYFORD BALL 
Sponsored by the Baltimore Folk Music Society
Saturday, October 20, 2001
Music by Bare Necessities

Review 2:30-4:30 p.m
Reception 7:00 p.m.
Dance 7:30-11:15 p.m.
Church of the Redeemer
5603 N. Charles Street, Baltimore
$26 members of BFMS, FSGW, ATDS, CDSS; others $30

Information: Call Diane or Carl (410) 321-8410
or dinkydiane-AT-
aol.com or cf1125-AT-
aol.com

A final reminder of three great Playford events in Baltimore, Md., USA
this coming weeking (Oct 20-21:

THE 20th ANNUAL BFMS BALTIMORE PLAYFORD BALL, Sponsored by the Baltimore
Folk Music Society, Saturday, October 20, 2001, Music by Bare
Necessities.  Information: Call Diane or Carl (410) 321-8410 or
dinkydiane-AT-
aol.com or cf1125-AT-
aol.com

A 350TH ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION OF DANCE AND MUSIC
Sunday afternoon, October 21, 2001
Center for the Arts Concert Hall
Towson University

1:00 p.m. 
A lecture/demonstration by Robert Keller of his CD-ROM, The Dancing
Master, (1651-1728): An Illustrated Compendium and Data Base of Images
and Indexes".  (No charge)

3:00 p.m
Chorégraphie Antique, the Historical Dance Ensemble of Goucher College
and the Towson University Early Music Ensemble 
These highly acclaimed ensembles collaborate in a concert of
reconstructed dance and music from Playford's Dance Manual performed in
period costumes and on replicas of historical instruments.  $5 general
admission, $4 students and seniors.

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On Sun, 14 Oct 2001 21:21:21 -0400 franch-AT-
juno.com writes:
My apologies.  I sent a message before I cleaned up the cut and paste.  I
hope the former message doesn't have to clutter up the archives.  Mike

A final reminder of three great Playford events in Baltimore, Md., USA 
this coming weeking (Oct 20-21:

THE 20th ANNUAL BFMS BALTIMORE PLAYFORD BALL, Sponsored by the Baltimore
Folk Music Society, Saturday, October 20, 2001, Music by Bare
Necessities.  Information: Call Diane or Carl (410) 321-8410 or
dinkydiane-AT-
aol.com or cf1125-AT-
aol.com
 
A 350TH ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION OF DANCE AND MUSIC
Sunday afternoon, October 21, 2001
Center for the Arts Concert Hall
Towson University
 
1:00 p.m. 
A lecture/demonstration by Robert Keller of his CD-ROM, The Dancing
Master, (1651-1728): An Illustrated Compendium and Data Base of Images
and Indexes".  (No charge)
 
3:00 p.m
Chorégraphie Antique, the Historical Dance Ensemble of Goucher College
and the Towson University Early Music Ensemble These highly acclaimed
ensembles collaborate in a concert of reconstructed dance and music from
Playford's Dance Manual performed in period costumes and on replicas of
historical instruments.  $5 general dmission, $4 students and seniors.
 
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Martin wrote...
"....Although it is with the greatest reluctance that I shall have to
decline
your invitation to cross the ocean and join you all on the dance floor,"

You may be interested to know that in addition to the ECD and singing
events, we have six Scottish Country Dance weekends planned at Halsway
Manor.. These are usually private hirings by the respective groups, though
there are invariably spaces to fill at the Manor. See www.halswaymanor.co.uk

I have just returned from playing music at the 6th Marhamchurch Annual
Scottish Country Dance residential weekend event at Bude in Cornwall. This
is a wonderful occasion and something I look forward to each year.  Not
quite so far from Grenoble!
(Also on the scottishdanceband list)
Regards Alan



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This is a sidebar to Barbara's note...oddly, I hadn't *especially* planned
to teach "Angels Unawares" at NOMAD, perhaps vaguely hoping that someone
else might--but much more than that, feeling that perhaps AU can fend for
itself now.
[Let me testify that I first typed "AU has left the nest," and then saw
that while the bird-reference was unintended, it was still quite dreadful.
Even I have my limits.]

I look forward to seeing a goodly number of you at NOMAD.

Graham



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Graham wrote:


> This is a sidebar to Barbara's note...oddly, I hadn't *especially* planned
> to teach "Angels Unawares" at NOMAD, perhaps vaguely hoping that someone
> else might--but much more than that, feeling that perhaps AU can fend for
> itself now.

I think it _can_ fend for itself now.  My regency dance group last Friday
night had 26 people, of whom 8 were absolutely brand new.  I'd been meaning
to try out AU, and I made it the first dance, so it was the very first exposure
to ECD for those 8 people.  AU went beautifully, the band did nicely with the
tune, and all the new people stayed through to the end of the evening.

(If you think "AU has left the nest" is bad, consider that I was trying to 
work up something about "much have I traveled in realms of gold" based on 
the chemical symbol Au before I gave it up as a bad job.")

Anyway, lovely dance.

-- Alan


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"(If you think "AU has left the nest" is bad, consider that I was trying to
work up something about "much have I traveled in realms of gold" based on
the chemical symbol Au before I gave it up as a bad job)"
Now, given my threats earlier to work up a pseudo-Miltonic sonnet ending
with the line: "They also serve who only cast and lead," there's clearly
some kind of sonnet-parody-ECD convergence hovering in the upper
atmosphere...

Thank you for your kind words, Alan.

Graham Christian
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On Mon, 15 Oct 2001 Graham.Christian-AT-
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> 
> "(If you think "AU has left the nest" is bad, consider that I was trying to
> work up something about "much have I traveled in realms of gold" based on
> the chemical symbol Au before I gave it up as a bad job)"
> Now, given my threats earlier to work up a pseudo-Miltonic sonnet ending
> with the line: "They also serve who only cast and lead," there's clearly
> some kind of sonnet-parody-ECD convergence hovering in the upper
> atmosphere...

I liked Mad Magazine's version from the 60's, accompanied by appropriate
illustration: "They also surf who only stand on waves."

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> Now, given my threats earlier to work up a pseudo-Miltonic sonnet ending
> with the line: "They also serve who only cast and lead," there's clearly
> some kind of sonnet-parody-ECD convergence hovering in the upper
> atmosphere...
> 

I thought this was a reference to Matthew Arnold's: "They also serve who 
stand and wait."  Could my memory of 40 or so years be in err?  Inquiring 
minds want to know.

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<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Now, given my threats earlier to work up a pseudo-Miltonic sonnet ending
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<BR>I thought this was a reference to Matthew Arnold's: "They also serve who stand and wait." &nbsp;Could my memory of 40 or so years be in err? &nbsp;Inquiring minds want to know.
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viz.,
John Milton  (1608-1674)

Sonnet: On his blindness

When I consider how my light is spent,
    Ere half my days, in this dark world and wide,
    And that one talent which is death to hide,
    Lodged with me useless, thouh my soul more bent
To serve therewith my maker, and present
    My true account, lest he returning chide,
    Doth God exact day-labour, light denied?
    I fondly ask; but Patience to prevent
That murmur, soon replies, God doth not need
    Either man's work or his own gifts, who best
    Bear his mild yoke, they serve him best, his state
Is kingly. Thousands at his bidding speed
    And post o'er land and ocean without rest:
    They also serve who only stand and wait.

So, not Matthew Arnold. He got off a number of good lines: see "Dover
Beach" or "The Forsaken Merman," etc. But not this line or this sonnet....
And now, back to ECD.
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I notice that in Alan Winston's extremely useful appendix to Barnes the
source for *Red House* is listed as Country Dance Book New Series by
Kennedy.  I can't lay my hands on my copy (if I even own it), but found
it in my copy of Neal (1726) as edited by Jackson and Fogg.  So my first
question is, does CDB-NS contain any differences or additional
information beyond what I find in Neal?  

My second question is about the dance that is popularly known as *The
Old Mill*.  I seem to recall at Pinewoods this summer it was aka *The
Merry Salopians* or something like that, one being the tune and the
other the dance.  Can someone set me straight on this?  

Finally, if anyone knows of any ECD groups in Japan, please let me
know.  I have plenty of contacts for Scottish and international, but
English seems to be much rarer, and contra virtually nonexistent.
(Which is funny since Modern Western Square Dancing is very popular I'm
told...) 

Thanks,

Sven
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Hello, everyone!

What with everything going on, I'm late notifying you, but...

...I'm thrilled to announce that we have plans for great English country
dancing in Amherst, MA, on Oct 20-21, 2001!!  The fall color is at
breathtakingly peak beauty as I write, and I'm sure it will still be
spectacular this coming weekend. (see below also for report of last weekend,
which may interest you.)

The very talented and inspiring caller Scott Higgs, a local favorite
visiting us from the Philadelphia area, will be leading both dances on
10/20-21.  

Here are the details, for those of you within traveling distance.  Do come
and dance with us!!

1. Saturday evening, Oct 20, Munson Library, South Amherst, MA, 8-11 pm.
Scott Higgs calling.  Music provided by Pleasures of the Town (Doug
Creighton, flute & melodeon; Joyce Crouch, piano; & guest violinist Amy
Cann).  

$7 admission. Open to All, beginners welcomed and encouraged.

2. Sunday afternoon Advanced Dance, Oct 21, Munson Library, S Amherst, 2-5
pm.  Scott Higgs calling a more challenging program for experienced dancers
who have complete familiarity with basic figures.  Music by Susan Conger,
violin; Doug Creighton, flute & melodeon; & Margaret Ann Martin, piano.

$10 admission includes delectable refreshments at the break.  Open to
experienced English country dancers.

Directions to the hall for both events:

Munson Library - South Amherst, Massachusetts

From I-91, Exit 19 (Route 9, Amherst).  Go east approximately 5+ miles on
Route 9.  Go past the town common, under the railroad overpass, and turn
right at the next traffic light onto South East Street. Continue on this
road (under 2 more overpasses) and bear left at the fork as you enter the
town common of South Amherst. Munson Library is on the left at the far end
of the common.  Park at the church next door or on the street.

 - - -

I'd also like to exult publicly about two wonderful events we just hosted in
Amherst!  We were lucky to be included on Robert Moir's fall tour this year,
and I'm sure I speak for all in saying it was a delight to have him
introduce us to wonderful new dances from England and call some of our local
favorites.  On Sunday afternoon he led our new monthly Sunday Afternoon
Series for experienced dancers, and on Monday night he led our regular
weekly dance. 

Robert Moir, you now have some new devoted fans in Massachusetts! (And you
dance organizers out there may wish to take note.)

It was lovely, among *many* other things, to dance The Severn Bore on
Sunday, a drop-dead gorgeous dance composed in 1997 by Fried Herman for
Robert himself, who lives with his charming wife Hazel right on the River
Severn in England. 

I hasten to explain that Robert is *far* from a bore!!!  The term refers
instead to the famous "tidal bore" that occurs on the Severn River, when the
river current meets the incoming tide in a narrow section of the river.  The
dance has several figures in which the movements of the dancers visually
represent the swirling waters.  Truly beautiful, artistic choreography to a
beautiful tune adapted from a Corelli Sarabande.

We Amherst dancers first learned (and fell in love with) this dance at the
Fried-for-all in Lenox, MA, a few years ago. It is published in Fried's
collection, Fringe Benefits, available from Fried Herman at 66 Chestnut
Avenue, Larchmont, NY 10538-3535.  Also available as a single sheet, same
address.

Happy dancing, everyone, wherever you are.  We in the English country dance
world are indeed blessed with a wonderful and ongoing heritage of beauty.

Regards,
Joyce


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At 02:01 PM 10/16/01 -0400, Joyce wrote:
>
>I'd also like to exult publicly about two wonderful events we just hosted in
>Amherst!  We were lucky to be included on Robert Moir's fall tour this year,
>and I'm sure I speak for all in saying it was a delight to have him
>introduce us to wonderful new dances from England and call some of our local
>favorites.  On Sunday afternoon he led our new monthly Sunday Afternoon
>Series for experienced dancers, and on Monday night he led our regular
>weekly dance. 
>
>Robert Moir, you now have some new devoted fans in Massachusetts! (And you
>dance organizers out there may wish to take note.)

Let me second Joyce's glowing comments about Robert and Hazel, who in the
past couple of years have become part of our New York extended family of
dancers.  The Moirs' presence (and Robert's fine calling) added greatly to
the pleasures of True Brit two years ago; this year their presence meant
even more, reaffirming as it did the ties that bind our two dance
communities and our two nations.

Robert is calling at tonight's CD*NY dance [7-10:15pm, Metropolitan Duane
Church, 201 W. 13th St., NYC].  He and Hazel return to England tomorrow.
We will miss them greatly.

Sharon Green

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Matthew Arnold (1822-1888) was also quoting the famous sonnet that John
Milton (1608-1674) wrote "on his blindness":

from <http://www.bartleby.com/101/318.html>
Arthur Quiller-Couch, ed. 1919. The Oxford Book of English Verse: 1250–1900.

318. On His Blindness
                      
WHEN I consider how my light is spent
E're half my days, in this dark world and wide,
And that one Talent which is death to hide,
Lodg'd with me useless, though my Soul more bent
To serve therewith my Maker, and present
My true account, least he returning chide,
Doth God exact day-labour, light deny'd,
I fondly ask; But patience to prevent
That murmur, soon replies, God doth not need
Either man's work or his own gifts, who best
Bear his milde yoak, they serve him best, his State
Is Kingly. Thousands at his bidding speed
And post o're Land and Ocean without rest:
They also serve who only stand and waite.


he then went on to work out in his head, and dictate to his daughter(s?)
transcription some of his major works, which are worth perusing for the
pleasure of the language and thought...

-Ruth Temple

"...they also serve who only stand and wait on tables, like me!"
--PDQ Bach, _Hansel and Gretel and Ted and Alice: an Opera in One
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The two Red(-)House dances are different in Neal and CDBNS although the
tune is more or less the same, so it would be worth looking up both
notations.

Yes, you are correct about The Old Mill and The Merry Salopians - a
really nice tune and dance to perform!

Wendy & Graham Knight
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The AU chronicles prove that we *have* gotten back to 
normalcy, sort of.  So, who wrote those lines about why
dogs don't dance well?  (They have two left feet)   And
those tongue in cheek lines that can be applied to some
experienced dancers, "It's always more important to
DO IT RIGHT than to have a good time," probably related
to "It's never too late to have a happy childhood."

On a serious note, here's one of my favorite short poems.
I do know who the author is -- it's a well-known name --  
and a virtual electronic butterscotch will be awarded to
those who get it right; (those who get it wrong will get 
two of them).  Send me answers off-list, unless your 
comments are of interest to others.

People expect old men to die,
They do not really mourn old men.
Old men are different.  People look
At them with eyes that wonder when...
People watch with unshocked eyes;
But the old men know when an old man dies.


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Let me clarify. I do not think that Matthew Arnold had anything to say, in
his verse, about serving while standing and waiting, not even as a tribute
or quotation. The line belongs to Milton, and is the conclusion of the
sonnet I posted yesterday (the same sonnet Ruth Temple has posted today,
albeit my cut-and-paste was not in period spelling).
Now we'd really better return to ECD--I can already hear the complaints and
misdirected requests for unsubscription. Whatever the pleasure some of us
may take in it, poetry has as little place here as politics.

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At 03:37 PM 10/16/01 -0400, you wrote:
>Now we'd really better return to ECD--I can already hear the complaints and
>misdirected requests for unsubscription. Whatever the pleasure some of us
>may take in it, poetry has as little place here as politics.

Nonsense, Graham--English country dancing _is_ poetry.  (~:
With thanks for the verses, however spelled,
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On Tue, 16 Oct 2001 15:37:45 -0400 Graham.Christian-AT-
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> 
> ...Whatever the pleasure some of us may take in it, poetry has as
little place here as politics.

Well, that puts about 78% of the ECD repertoire off limits, including
Graham's dancing and dances... :-)

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Hi Sven and all,

"The Merry Salopians" was published in John Walsh's 1718 collection of
Nat'l. Kynaston dances.  The alternative historical title is "Women and
Wine."  A new tune "The Old Mill" was written by the prolific and
talented Brian Jenkins.  He's the composer of Smithy Hill and many other
beloved tunes, and an ECD musician who lives in Neston, Wirral,
Merseyside, as did Tom Cook, the reconstructor of the dance.  Most folks
(at least on this side of the pond) know the dance as "The Old Mill." 

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On Tue, 16 Oct 2001, Sharon Green wrote:

> At 03:37 PM 10/16/01 -0400, you wrote:
> >Now we'd really better return to ECD--I can already hear the complaints and
> >misdirected requests for unsubscription. Whatever the pleasure some of us
> >may take in it, poetry has as little place here as politics.
> 
> Nonsense, Graham--English country dancing _is_ poetry.  (~:
> With thanks for the verses, however spelled,

My wife, for reasons best known to herself, subscribes to the email list of
the Bay Area Country Dance Society's administrative board, although she
hasn't been a member for quite a few years.  Based on her reports, I can
say with some assurance that it's also politics.

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Saith Gene:
'On Tue, 16 Oct 2001 15:37:45 -0400 Graham.Christian-AT-
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writes:
>
> ...Whatever the pleasure some of us may take in it, poetry has as
little place here as politics.

Well, that puts about 78% of the ECD repertoire off limits, including
Graham's dancing and dances... :-)'


Now, what can I *possibly* say to that that wouldn't give off either false
pride or false modesty?

But I will say this. A couple of months ago, I had An Insight. I was
reading Harold Love's introduction to the anthology *Penguin Book of
Restoration Verse*, and he said (I'm compressing and paraphrasing him
madly) something along these lines. Restoration verse was created, for the
most part, by the educated and/or upper classes in England--but for a much
broader audience than themselves: it was superbly intelligent--but it was
*social*, accessible, and knowing; often elegant, but deeply rooted in
common experience, even if that meant being a little broad or coarse. "Oh!"
I said to myself. "Just. Like. English. Country. Dance."

Generated by the educated classes. Check, mostly. Some dancing masters come
from Nowheresville, socially--but some come at least from the educated
middle classes--and some of those anonymous dances may have been created by
publicity-averse high-born men and women. For a broader audience. Check:
courts and cottages alike, say the sources. Intelligent. Check. Social,
accessible, knowing. Check. Rooted in the everyday, even a little coarse
(cuckolds; we'll wed and we'll bed; young virgins). Check.

So, Sharon is right: it *is* poetry. It is even a kind of legitimate cousin
to Restoration poetry--high art for everyone--with the difference that it
is alive in a way that *The Hind and the Panther* and *The Seasons* are not
(and those of you who have read those august, not to say Augustan, works,
know exactly what I mean. Worthy? well, yes; *alive*? Wellll...)




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--- Sharon Green <mls-AT-
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> >Whatever the pleasure some of us
> >may take in it, poetry has as little place here as politics.
> 
> Nonsense, Graham--English country dancing _is_ poetry.  (~:

It is when Graham dances it.
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Speaking of poetry:  (now watch me change the subject!!)

I am looking for dances that have songs to them.  A dancer in our community 
has a divine mezzo soprano voice and desires to learn to call.  I think we 
would be delighted to dance to her singing at least for a few tunes but 
would like some suggestions for things she could teach that she could then 
sing while we danced.

If you make suggestions, could you point me toward a source for the 
words?  Or include the lyrics?

Thanks

Victoria in Seattle


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I know the Playford dances "Heart's Ease" and "If All the World were Paper" do have lyrics.  Now I'll have to go hunt them up... <G>

Thanx, Ric Goldman
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> [mailto:owner-ecd-AT-
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> Victoria Bestock
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> Subject: poetry
> 
> 
> Speaking of poetry:  (now watch me change the subject!!)
> 
> I am looking for dances that have songs to them.  A dancer in our 
> community 
> has a divine mezzo soprano voice and desires to learn to call.  I 
> think we 
> would be delighted to dance to her singing at least for a few tunes but 
> would like some suggestions for things she could teach that she 
> could then 
> sing while we danced.
> 
> If you make suggestions, could you point me toward a source for the 
> words?  Or include the lyrics?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Victoria in Seattle
> 
> 

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Victoria wrote:

> I am looking for dances that have songs to them.  A dancer in our community
> has a divine mezzo soprano voice and desires to learn to call.  I think we
> would be delighted to dance to her singing at least for a few tunes but
> would like some suggestions for things she could teach that she could then
> sing while we danced.

> If you make suggestions, could you point me toward a source for the
> words?  Or include the lyrics?

I recommend thumbing through a copy of the libretto to  _The Beggar's Opera_, 
humming the tunes and seeing if you know dances to them.  That's the
most-available ballad opera, although I understand there was more than one;
country dances were also set to some of those tunes.  (Offhand, I recollect
"Greenwich Park" as having a song in TBO, but I think there are others.)

Some words for "Jamaica" and a duet for "We'll Wed and we'll Bed" are given in
_The Playford Ball_.

That's off the top of my head; I bet more complete answers will be forthcoming.

-- Alan


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"Come Let's Be Merry" and "The Lass of Richmond Hill"
have lyrics from song versions of those dance tunes.
At Bay Area English Regency Society dances, I sometimes
set down my clarinet and sing verses.

--James Langdell    james.langdell-AT-
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> Victoria wrote:
> 
> > I am looking for dances that have songs to them.  A dancer in our community
> > has a divine mezzo soprano voice and desires to learn to call.  I think we
> > would be delighted to dance to her singing at least for a few tunes but
> > would like some suggestions for things she could teach that she could then
> > sing while we danced.
> 
> > If you make suggestions, could you point me toward a source for the
> > words?  Or include the lyrics?
> 
> I recommend thumbing through a copy of the libretto to  _The Beggar's Opera_, 
> humming the tunes and seeing if you know dances to them.  That's the
> most-available ballad opera, although I understand there was more than one;
> country dances were also set to some of those tunes.  (Offhand, I recollect
> "Greenwich Park" as having a song in TBO, but I think there are others.)
> 
> Some words for "Jamaica" and a duet for "We'll Wed and we'll Bed" are given in
> _The Playford Ball_.
> 
> That's off the top of my head; I bet more complete answers will be 
forthcoming.
> 
> -- Alan
> 
> 
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In a message dated 10/16/01 5:43:30 PM, bestockp-AT-
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<< I am looking for dances that have songs to them. >>

Nonesuch, Lilli Burlero, Hudson Barn (tune: Dance to your Daddy"), and 
Faithless Nancy Dawson (tune "A-Rovin") come to mind. 

Carl Friedman
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"Upon a Summer's Day" has some amusingly gross lyrics associated
with it.

There's an article in progress on broadside ballads, many of
which shared tunes with country dances, that might be of help;
find it here:

http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/ballads/music.html

Susan
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On Tue, 16 Oct 2001, Susan wrote:

> "Upon a Summer's Day" has some amusingly gross lyrics associated
> with it.

Recorded by the extremely wonderful City Waites, if you can find the CD.

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Victoria,

As others have indicated, the tunes to many ECD's started out as ballads,
songs, catches, theater arias, etc., and there are sources everywhere.

A very good resource, with words and music to many of our favorite
dances, is "English Country Dance tunes from John Playford's English
Dancing Master" published privately by Steven Hendricks and available
from Boulder Early Music Shop [email Ruth Harvey, the owner, at
rlh1939-AT-
aol.com or visit www.bems.com.  Mention my name-- we're old
friends].  **I will bring this very useful volume to the Seattle
Wannadance Festival this weekend for you and anyone else who wants to see
it.**

Among the contemporary dances, I especially enjoy two set to lute songs: 
Kitty Skrobela's "I Care Not for These Ladies," to a song by Thomas
Campian (the words are *not* misogynistic; the author cares not for
ladies of artifice, preferring the natural look and demeanor of regular
folk) and Orly Krasner's extraordinary "When Laura Smiles" to a song by
Philip Rosseter with beautiful words by Campian ("...ever-flowing
music...").  Orly's dance with complete lyrics will be published in the
CDSS News in Jan/Feb., but she's on the list and I'm sure would send you
the music and lyrics (I'll also bring them to Wannadance).  Both of these
are accessible to a beginning caller and all dancers.

Many of the tunes in their original keys are best for sopranos.  For a
mezzo, ask the band to transpose down a fourth or so...  be sure to check
ranges before putting your friend or the band on the spot.

Gene
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Dear Joyce, 

I was disappointed to miss the dance on Sunday--my car has
had an intermittent electrical problem, probably something
to do with the ignition system. It was causing problems
again, so I was afraid to try to drive it. When I came to
Amherst a month ago, it ran beautifully; the next day, it
wouldn't go aroung the corner. 

Anyway, my mechanic replaced the final possible part that
controls the ignition system on Sunday. I haven't driven it
very far yet, but if it goes okay tomorrow, when I have a
doctor's appointment in Danvers, I am going to come to the
Sunday dance.

Maybe I'll see you then!

Lyrl



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Lyrics to "Christ Church Bells" can be found (appropriately enough) in one
of the multi-volumed _Oxford Book of Songs_, but my copy has eluded me...I
think it can be found in the blue-covered volume rather than the red one,
but if not, try the red one instead.

"Hark, the bonnie Christ Church Bells..."

Susan Booker

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On Tue, 16 Oct 2001 23:39:10 -0400 SUSAN B BOOKER <susantiq-AT-
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writes:
> Lyrics to "Christ Church Bells" can be found (appropriately enough) 
> in one
> of the multi-volumed _Oxford Book of Songs_, but my copy has eluded 
> me...I
> think it can be found in the blue-covered volume rather than the red 
> one,
> but if not, try the red one instead.

You can also see the words (though not very well) in Kate van Winkle
Keller's "The Playford Ball," where a contemporary copy of the round
appears on the same page as music & instructions for the dance.

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<<If you make suggestions, could you point me toward a source for the
words?  Or include the lyrics?>>

Unfortunately, I can't provide sources. But "I Care Not For These Ladies"
certainly has lyrics, if not exactly PC ones. And there are lyrics to
"Sellenger's Round", but not ones you'd necessarily want to print on a
listserv. Rather like the quotation:

I know two things about the horse
And one of them is rather coarse.

In the case of the "Sellenger's" lyrics, there's no "rather" about it.

"Newcastle" has lyrics too, but clean ones.

'Fraid I can't give any of them except as fragments, since I got them via
the oral tradition and have forgotten all but the dubious bits.

Peace,
Paul


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<<Among the contemporary dances, I especially enjoy two set to lute songs:
Kitty Skrobela's "I Care Not for These Ladies," to a song by Thomas
Campian (the words are *not* misogynistic; the author cares not for
ladies of artifice, preferring the natural look and demeanor of regular
folk)>>

Not misogynistic, but not terribly respectful either. The main thrust of the
song, if you pardon the expression, is that the upper-class singer prefers
lower class women because they "never will say 'No'". Presumably because
they dared not, class relationships being what they were.

Peace,
Paul


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Thanks everyone for dances with songs for our talented mezzo to sing at the 
ECD dances!  I'll follow up to find lyrics for all your suggestions.

Victoria in Seattle



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Just in case you are in the area:
Sun Assembly Dancers of Durham, NC invite you to join us for a special
evening of English Dance on Saturday, Nov. 3. Bruce Hamilton, will teach a
style workshop at 7:30, and will call the second half of the evening. Local
callers will call the first half. Celia Wright, Ted Ehrhard, Mara Beamish
and Dean Herington will provide exquisite music. All dances are taught;
beginners are warmly
welcome. The dance runs from 8-11PM and is at The Ark, Duke University East
Campus. You'll need clean, soft soled shoes (no street shoes, please); the
suggested donation is $7 ($6 members) For more information, contact Pat
Petersen: 919-683-9672 or patpetersen-AT-
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We also dance every Thursday night, 7:30-9:30. Our schedule is usually
posted at http://members.aol.com/sealyv/contra.html

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Nobody seems to have suggested Wit and Mirth: or Pills to Purge Melancholy;
Being a Collection of the best Merry Ballads and Songs, Old and New by Thomas
D'Urfey published 1719-1720 as a source of words for country dance tunes.  This
contains numerous ballads to tunes that you will recognise.  For the sexually
non squeamish I would point you at "A SONG Representing the going of a Pad"
which is to the same tune as Akeroyde's Pad.  Amazon.com shows that there is
currently available a facsimile edition of the London, 1719 set printed by W.
Pearson for J. Tonson at Shakespear's Head.  Details are: Frontis., 6 vols.,
square 8vo, 3/4 red morocco, gilt-dec. raised bands, t.e.g.; (some light
waterstaining in upper margin of frontis. plate in vol. I). London, [ca. 1850].
Near Fine. $950.00 

Another dance with a song is "Would you have a Young Virgin, or, Poor Robin's
Maggot" in Playford Volume 2, words in the Beggars Opera.

Michael Barraclough
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One of my favorites is the Purcell song, "Oh How Happy's He" ("with his 
bottle, mistress & his"-- I can't recall the 3rd item but I don't think it 
was baguette) the tune of which became The Seige of Limerick.

Judy Grunberg 
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<< the tune of which became The Seige of Limerick. >>

Oops!  That's  SIEGE. 

J.
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Hello Roger,

I sent you two short messages a few days ago.  I'm wondering if you received
them.  If not, would you send me your *correct* email address?

Many thanks,
Pat

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In a message dated 17/10/01 3:01:29 pm,  James Langdell 
<jamesc-AT-
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>"Come Let's Be Merry" and "The Lass of Richmond Hill"
>have lyrics from song versions of those dance tunes.
I very much hope that my band, The Assembly Players, having just published a 
new recording, the correct dance title "A Trip to Richmond" will rapidly 
supplant the erroneous title "The Lass of Richmond Hill": this is, of course, 
the title of the song whose tune was used for the dance.

>Nonesuch, Lilli Burlero, Hudson Barn (tune: Dance to your Daddy"), and 
Faithless Nancy Dawson (tune "A-Rovin") come to mind. 

Carl Friedman<

Readers may be interested to learn that Dr Anna Bidder, composer of Faithless 
Nancy Dawson, died a couple of weeks back. She was 94.

As far as The Beggar's Opera is concerned, the OUP edition edited by Jeremy 
Barlow contains nine pages of tune sources, and I believe from what Jeremy 
was telling me recently that about 47 of the tunes have dances to them! 
However, beware!!! These vital pages are only included in the hard covered 
edition, and are NOT in the paperback version.
                                                Nicolas B., Lanark, Scotland.
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On Mon, 15 Oct 2001, Jon Berger wrote:
> I liked Mad Magazine's version from the 60's, accompanied by appropriate
> illustration: "They also surf who only stand on waves."


  Many are chilled, but few are frozen.


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Such wonderful, old dances and tunes have been suggested!

I did a search today on "Let monarchs fight for power and fame", the 
Purcell tune cited for "Michael and All Angels",  on Google.  Since I 
didn't include the quotes I got a lot of interesting articles with all 
those words in them, many, not surprisingly, from the XVI and XVII C's, 
which would make fun reading.  I thought for a minute it was going to be 
more Milton! (Something from Paradise Regained was #2 on the search).

I also got the words (in the correct order) from the Musical Heritage 
Society.  It's from Purcell's 1690 5 Act opera "Prophetess or The History 
of Diocletian", libretto by T. Betterton (after Fletcher and Massinger).

Act V, which begins with a Country Dance followed by The Masque which 
contains our piece:

A Fawn, Chorus

Let monarchs fight for power and fame,
With noise and arms mankind alarm.
Let daily fears their quiet fright,
And cares disturb the rest by night;
Greatness shall ne'er my soul enthral,
give me content and I have all.

Hear, mightly Love! to thee I call;
Give me Astrea, and I have all;
That soft, that sweet, that charming fair,
Fate cannot hurt whilst I have her.
She's wealth, and power, and only she,
Astrea's all the world to me.


I've had trouble figuring out how the tune maps to the verses, certainly 
not the AABCD pattern Fried used for the dance.  I was dissapointed that 
the poem (IMO) didn't follow through with the philoshophical/political 
promise of the first line, but dwindled into just another love song, 
which is nothing against the powerful music Mr. Purcell provided, but 
that's often the case with songs to dance tunes.

Mary Luckhardt
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    "Never Love Thee More", which can be found with both the original love
song and Montrose's perhaps better-known parody (in SCOTTISH AND BORDER
BATTLES AND BALLADS).

  Ewan MacColl abridged and rearranged the political satire "Lament for
Charing Cross" to make it fit "Prince Rupert's March".

  Then there is "Kemp's Jig" aka "Rowland" aka "Lord Willoughby's Welcome
Home" and probably dozens more.

   Numerous examples in Chappell's "English Popular Ballads" collection.


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Dear Victoria,
    There are two dances I know of that are set to nursery rhymes,
Cuckolds all a-Row (Hey! Boys! Up go we!) reveals the hidden context of
    " Mary, Mary, quite contrary, how does your garden grow? ... "

    And If All the World were Paper, as dredged up from dim memory:
        "If all the world were paper
         and all the seas were ink
         and if the moon were bread and cheese,
         What ever should we drink?

    Are there any others?

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In a message dated 10/18/01 2:09:25 AM, wlinden-AT-
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<< Many are chilled, but few are frozen.>>

The motto of the University of Antarctica?

Carl Friedman
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Hmm, I was kind of thinking Jell-O Molds. :) -- Cara

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<< Many are chilled, but few are frozen.>>

The motto of the University of Antarctica?

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<<  Many are chilled, but few are frozen.>>

Or, as the sign outside the bovine artificial insemination service said,
many are culled but few are frozen.

Peace,
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<<    "Never Love Thee More", which can be found with both the original love
song and Montrose's perhaps better-known parody (in SCOTTISH AND BORDER
BATTLES AND BALLADS).>>

AKA "Derwentwater's Farewell".

Peace,
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--- Paul Stamler <pstamler-AT-
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> <<  Many are chilled, but few are frozen.>>
> 
> Or, as the sign outside the bovine artificial insemination
> service said,
> many are culled but few are frozen.
> 
> Peace,
> Paul (and that's no bull)

There must be some bull in there somewhere.
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Please correct your address book. My NEW e-mail address is:

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Unless my eye skipped it, I don't believe that anyone has mentioned "Early
One Morning," to which there are at least two dances. When we dance Scott
Higgs' dance to this tune, we often (all) sing the rather bathetic refrain.
Words:

Early one morning,
Just as the sun was rising,
I heard a maid sing,
In the valley below.

Chorus:

    Oh, don't deceive me,
    Oh, never leave me,
    How could you use
    A poor maiden so?

Remember the vows,
That you made to your Mary,
Remember the bower,
Where you vowed to be true,
    chorus:

Thus sang the poor maiden,
Her sorrows bewailing,
Thus sang the poor maid,
In the valley below.


Or this:

|-----------------------------------------|
|                                         |
|  Early one morning, just as the sun was |
|  rising                                 |
|  I heard a maid sing in the valley      |
|  below                                  |
|  "Oh don't deceive me, Oh never leave   |
|  me,                                    |
|  How could you use, a poor maiden so?"  |
|                                         |
|  Remember the vows that you made to me  |
|  truly                                  |
|  Remember how tenderly you nestled      |
|  close to me                            |
|  Gay is the garland, fresh are the      |
|  roses                                  |
|  I've culled from the garden to bind    |
|  over thee.                             |
|                                         |
|  Here I now wander alone as I wonder    |
|  Why did you leave me to sigh and       |
|  complain                               |
|  I ask of the roses, why should I be    |
|  forsaken,                              |
|  Why must I here in sorrow remain?      |
|                                         |
|  Through yonder grove, by the spring    |
|  that is running                        |
|  There you and I have so merrily        |
|  played,                                |
|  Kissing and courting and gently        |
|  sporting                               |
|  Oh, my innocent heart you've betrayed  |
|                                         |
|  How could you slight so a pretty girl  |
|  who loves you                          |
|  A pretty girl who loves you so dearly  |
|  and warm?                              |
|  Though love's folly is surely but a    |
|  fancy,                                 |
|  Still it should prove to me sweeter    |
|  than your scorn.                       |
|                                         |
|  Soon you will meet with another pretty |
|  maiden                                 |
|  Some pretty maiden, you'll court her   |
|  for a while;                           |
|  Thus ever ranging, turning and         |
|  changing                               |
|  Always seeking for a girl that is new. |
|                                         |
|  Thus sang the maiden, her sorrows      |
|  bewailing                              |
|  Thus sang the poor maid in the valley  |
|  below                                  |
|  "Oh don't deceive me, Oh never leave   |
|  me,                                    |
|  How could you use, a poor maiden so?"  |
|                                         |
|-----------------------------------------|




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The Baltimore Consort has recordings with a number of ECD dance tunes
with the words sung.  Mostly on "A Trip to Killburn: Playford Tunes
and their Ballads" but I think some of the other recordings may as
well. The two that stick in my mind are the words to "Nonesuch" which
is a humorous report on the goings on in the English court as noted
by a French visitor - or is it the other way around, which gives an
idea of how political satire does not age well, and words to
"Jamaica."  My own personal reaction to both of these is to better
appreciate how lovely they are as instrumental dance tunes.

There is also a CD of arrangements by Marshall Barron of Purcell
dance tunes, played by the Playford Consort of New Haven, known
familiarly as the Purple, Purcell, Playford recording (with an
accompanying Purple, Purcell, Playford book), which includes several
songs sung by Julia Blue Raspe.  The one on that that I recall is
"Man is for Woman Made," which I do find delightful, albeit not
entirely sensitive to the existence of alternative preferences.

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Speaking of "Jamaica," it's often tempting to program it for the coldest
part of the winter, as compensation, and somewhere I have a draft of new
words I wrote touting Caribbean vacation possibilities, with the refrain,
"Let's all go to Jamaica!"
Maddy Prior sings this tune as "The Prodigal's Resolution" on *Hang up
sorrow and care*--this verse by D'Urfey includes the following stanza:

"Our aged Counsellors would have
Us live by Rule and Reason
`Cause they are marching to their Grave,
And Pleasure's out of Season;
I'll learn to dance the Mode of France,
That Ladies may adore me;
My thrifty Dad no Pleasure had,
Tho' he was born before me."

I am assuming--thanks to the crumbs of knowledge I pick up from Gene and
suchlike learned folk--that our prodigal here tells us that, whether or not
the French mode means the minuet *per se*, he is now dancing with the
distinctively French sink-rise steps, and in a longways set rather than a
non-progressive set...

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> > 
> > Or, as the sign outside the bovine artificial insemination
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> > many are culled but few are frozen.
> > 
> > Peace,
> > Paul (and that's no bull)
> 

Ewe!

(Might as well throw in the rest of the barnyard. . .)

Cheer,  Deborah

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>In a message dated 10/18/2001 3:28:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, lyrlsbro-AT-
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<BR>&gt; &lt;&lt; &nbsp;Many are chilled, but few are frozen.&gt;&gt;
<BR>&gt; 
<BR>&gt; Or, as the sign outside the bovine artificial insemination
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<BR>&gt; many are culled but few are frozen.
<BR>&gt; 
<BR>&gt; Peace,
<BR>&gt; Paul (and that's no bull)
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<BR>Ewe!
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I don't think I've seen mention yet of "Broom, the Bonny Bonny
Broom" or "The Comical Fellow" yet. Also, of course, Lilliburlero,
and for a stretch, "Gray's Inn Masque" (Mad Tom O' Bedlam).

Tony Parkes once pointed out to me that if the title of a tune
fits the meter of the tune, there's a good chance there's a whole
poem out there somewhere that fits the tune. Makes sense. One that
comes immediately to mind, for example, is "Lull Me Beyond Thee."
It is clearly sung by the last five notes of both the A and B
sections. I've never seen the poem, but there must be one.

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And there is "In the Fields In Frost and Snows" in which the singer mentions
various activities done in said field and various other places - such as
'milked my father's cows'....all the way to 'met my own true love' with a
charming chorus of 'booing here, booing there...'(for the cows), baaing,
cackling, grunting (that would be pigs) and so forth to wooing (that would be
the lovers).

The dance is from Dancing Master vol 2 and reconstructed in Bently's
Fallibroome Collection #1, although I prefer Carl Wittman's reconstruction
which keeps the original arming (using a forearm hold). Words of the song are
by D'Urfey.

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<<Ewe!

(Might as well throw in the rest of the barnyard. . .)

Cheer,  Deborah>>

Deborah, that remark was fowl.

Peace,
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> <<Ewe!
> 
> (Might as well throw in the rest of the barnyard. . .)
> 
> Cheer,  Deborah>>
> 
> Deborah, that remark was fowl.
> 
> Peace,
> Paul

Paul,

I think not.  Turkey would be fowl, so *your* remark is foul.  But then, 
who's mincing swords here?  (Welll, all right, then-- Knives and Forks.)

I gather we're getting rather far afield here. . .  Before the scythe 
descends, shall I invoke "Birds, Fancies and Delights" as talisman?

I Confesse, I have been very, very Baa-ad, but Come, Let's be Merry.

Deborah, removing her kid gloves

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>In a message dated 10/18/2001 1:09:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pstamler-AT-
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<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">&lt;&lt;Ewe!
<BR>
<BR>(Might as well throw in the rest of the barnyard. . .)
<BR>
<BR>Cheer, &nbsp;Deborah&gt;&gt;
<BR>
<BR>Deborah, that remark was fowl.
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<BR>Peace,
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<BR>Paul,
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<BR>I think not. &nbsp;Turkey would be fowl, so *your* remark is foul. &nbsp;But then, who's mincing swords here? &nbsp;(Welll, all right, then-- Knives and Forks.)
<BR>
<BR>I gather we're getting rather far afield here. . . &nbsp;Before the scythe descends, shall I invoke "Birds, Fancies and Delights" as talisman?
<BR>
<BR>I Confesse, I have been very, very Baa-ad, but Come, Let's be Merry.
<BR>
<BR>Deborah, removing her kid gloves</FONT></HTML>

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> <<Ewe!
>
> (Might as well throw in the rest of the barnyard. . .)
>
> Cheer,  Deborah>>
>
> Deborah, that remark was fowl.
>
> Peace,
> Paul

<<I think not.  Turkey would be fowl, so *your* remark is foul.  But then,
who's mincing swords here?  (Welll, all right, then-- Knives and Forks.)>>

Well, you *did* say "the rest of the barnyard". But I take it baack (he
said, looking sheepish).

<<I gather we're getting rather far afield here. . .  Before the scythe
descends, shall I invoke "Birds, Fancies and Delights" as talisman?
Deborah, removing her kid gloves>>

Crossing over into morris dancing, what about "Shoating"?

Peace,
Paul


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Which brings to mind the fabulously beautiful (words, music and
dance) "In the Bleak Midwinter," poem by Christina Rossetti, tune by
Gustav Theodore (von) Holst, dance by Robin Hayden.  Not being a
Christian, I find the poem in its entirety a bit too ecclesiastical
for my own taste, but the opening stanza is a gorgeous evocation of
deepest winter, with the melody perfectly realizing the imagery.

In the bleak midwinter,
frosty wind made moan,
earth stood hard as iron,
water like a stone;
snow had fallen, snow on snow, 
snow on snow,
in the bleak midwinter, 
long ago.

Barbara


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The Math Forum (formerly of Swarthmore College) posts interesting math
problems every week.  This week's discrete math problem (and perhaps next
week's, too) highlights ECD. 

http://www.mathforum.org/dmpow/
http://www.mathforum.org/dmpow/solutions/solution.ehtml?puzzle=84

Kudos to the author for providing some publicity for ECD!

-- Sam

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--- Barbara Ruth <barbararuth-AT-
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> The Baltimore Consort has recordings with a number of ECD
> dance tunes with the words sung.  Mostly on "A Trip to
> Killburn: Playford Tunes and their Ballads" but I think some
> of the other recordings may as well. The two that stick in my
> mind are the words to "Nonesuch" which is a humorous report on
> the goings on in the English court as noted by a French
visitor
> - or is it the other way around, which gives an idea of how
> political satire does not age well, and words to "Jamaica." 
> My own personal reaction to both of these is to better
> appreciate how lovely they are as instrumental dance tunes.

You mention of "Nonesuch" reminded me of the song "None But One"
by Jean Ritchie on her album of the same title. The recording
has her singing the song followed by a Rock 'n' Roll rendition
of the tune by her sons and their friends with enough times
through to actually do the dance to it. (I haven't actually used
it to dance to, but it can be done.)

Andy

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*sigh*  Some of us grew up with the tune/setting by Mrs. H.H.A. Beach,
and prefer it as the lovelier, even in our pagan dotage. *sigh*
but it took an essay about her by Virginia Woolf, discovered in a
college lit class bit of extra reading, to get me to go find more of
Miss Rossetti's poetry. O. My. Goodness!  
-Ruth (reading till the next dance starts up in the Goblin Market)

There are also lovely words to Heidenröslein, and I've tracked them down!
This says much, for I don't much care for the sound of German outside song...

Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, 1771 (1749-1832) 

1. Sah ein Knab' ein Röslein steh'n,
Röslein auf der Heiden,
War so jung und war so schön
Lief er schnell es nah zu seh'n
Sah's mit vielen Freuden
Röslein, Röslein, Röslein rot,
Röslein auf der Heiden. 

2. Knabe sprach: "Ich breche dich,
Röslein auf der Heiden."
Röslein sprach: "Ich steche dich,
Daß du ewig denkst an mich,
Und ich will's nicht leiden."
Röslein, Röslein, Röslein rot,
Röslein auf der Heiden. 


3. Und der wilde Knabe brach
's Röslein auf der Heiden;
Röslein wehrte sich und stach,
Half ihm doch kein Weh und Ach,
Mußt es eben leiden.
Röslein, Röslein, Röslein rot,
Röslein auf der Heiden.

okay, so the chorus is corny, but what can YOU sing while waltzing those
final bars?
breathe...

Barbara Ruth wrote:
> 
> Which brings to mind the fabulously beautiful (words, music and
> dance) "In the Bleak Midwinter," poem by Christina Rossetti, tune by
> Gustav Theodore (von) Holst, dance by Robin Hayden.  Not being a
> Christian, I find the poem in its entirety a bit too ecclesiastical
> for my own taste, but the opening stanza is a gorgeous evocation of
> deepest winter, with the melody perfectly realizing the imagery.
> 
> In the bleak midwinter,
> frosty wind made moan,
> earth stood hard as iron,
> water like a stone;
> snow had fallen, snow on snow,
> snow on snow,
> in the bleak midwinter,
> long ago.
> 
> Barbara
>
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Sam -- Who is the author of that problem?  (That's one of my favorite
websites!) Thanks.  -- Cara :)

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The Math Forum (formerly of Swarthmore College) posts interesting math
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next week's, too) highlights ECD. 

http://www.mathforum.org/dmpow/
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Kudos to the author for providing some publicity for ECD!

-- Sam

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There's a Nonesuch variant that's either a really old Candlemas carol or
a modern pagan goddessy rendition, that goes:

O, She will bring the buds in the Spring
And laugh among the flowers
In Summer's heat her kiss is sweet
She sings in leafy bowers
She cuts the cane and gathers grain
When fruits of Fall surround her
In Winter's cold her bones grow old
She throws her cloak around her

Sweet enough, and I like the snow-tossing at the end, but given the use
of the word 'Fall' for Autumn, I'd say it's likely quite a modern
tradition.  There is also a scurrilous version that I won't repeat here.


What's the tune we danced at the 1999 Oakland Playford Ball, Alan, that
the Cutty Wren goes to so well?  (oh where are you going, said Scully to Muldaur...)
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Ruth wrote:

> What's the tune we danced at the 1999 Oakland Playford Ball, Alan, that
> the Cutty Wren goes to so well?  (oh where are you going, said Scully to Muldaur...)

Rafe's Waltz, dance by Victor Skowronski.

(I think the Cutty Wren goes so well because it _is_ the Cutty Wren,
classicalized and waltzulated in the manner of Mr. Vaughan Williams; thus
the title.  Great chords, as Stan Kramer pointed out to me.)

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In a message dated 10/18/01 3:28:01 PM, lyrlsbro-AT-
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<< You mention of "Nonesuch" reminded me of the song "None But One"
by Jean Ritchie on her album of the same title. The recording
has her singing the song followed by a Rock 'n' Roll rendition
of the tune by her sons and their friends with enough times
through to actually do the dance to it. (I haven't actually used
it to dance to, but it can be done.)
Andy>>

Dancing Nonesuch at Berea to Jean Ritchie's singing "None But One" 
accompanied by lap dulcimer (both Jean and her son Jon Pickow played) was one 
of my most wonderful dance experiences ever. I was very excited to purchase 
that recording, and could not wait to get it home. My disappointment upon 
hearing the recorded rendition could not be expressed in words which would 
not result in my being banned from the ECD list. 

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>There are also lovely words to Heidenröslein, and I've tracked them down!
>This says much, for I don't much care for the sound of German outside song...


I don't much care for the melody without Schubert although Helene
swears the melody we dance to is the one she grew up with.  I wonder
how Schubert came up with the variant he used?


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> >There are also lovely words to Heidenröslein, and I've tracked them down!
> >This says much, for I don't much care for the sound of German outside song...
> 
> 
> I don't much care for the melody without Schubert although Helene
> swears the melody we dance to is the one she grew up with.  I wonder
> how Schubert came up with the variant he used?

The words were written by Goethe in 1771 (it's not an anonymous folksong) 
and have been set to music by several 18th and 19th century musicians.

Here's a link to the verse, an English translation, and information
about several composers' settings: 

http://www.recmusic.org/lieder/g/goethe/heidenroslein.html

It doesn't mention, however, the 1827 song setting by Heinrich Werner 
that Shaw used for his dance.

--James Langdell  james.langdell-AT-
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I have the Bentley version, but am wondering if the Wittman version is
published anywhere?

Allison





On Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:28:34 -0700 Chris Sackett & Brooke Friendly
<friendsack-AT-
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> And there is "In the Fields In Frost and Snows" in which the singer 
> mentions
> various activities done in said field and various other places - 
> such as
> 'milked my father's cows'....all the way to 'met my own true love' 
> with a
> charming chorus of 'booing here, booing there...'(for the cows), 
> baaing,
> cackling, grunting (that would be pigs) and so forth to wooing (that 
> would be
> the lovers).
> 
> The dance is from Dancing Master vol 2 and reconstructed in Bently's
> Fallibroome Collection #1, although I prefer Carl Wittman's 
> reconstruction
> which keeps the original arming (using a forearm hold). Words of the 
> song are
> by D'Urfey.
> 
> Happy singing and dancing,
> Brooke Friendly in Oregon
> 
> 

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Hi All

I received the following today from Ellen Tepper, and am passing it on to the 
list.    For those of you who don't know Ellen, she and her harps have been a 
fixture of Early Music Week at Pinewoods for a number of years, and she was 
part of the amazing music lineup at English Week there this year.  (Hint, she 
was the one playing that funny looking object with all the strings...no, no, 
not the piano, the *other* funny looking object with all the strings, yeah, 
that's it, the vertical one...) We can reasonably expect great things from 
this CD, her harping is not to be believed.  Definitely not your gutless 
pseudo-celtic tinklings as so often found in popular culture, by gum.  She 
fairly makes the strings dance.  In fact, words fail me, and someone else 
will have to provide the encomium.  Gene?  Dave? 

Nilos

In a message dated 10/18/01 11:03:58 AM, etepper-AT-
juno.com writes:
>Hi folks!
>This week my new cd arrived!
>Waltzes with Harps (my Sioux name) has 18 tunes, 12 solos on the
>neo-Celtic harp and 6 duets with a phenomenal recorder player and a pedal
>harp. Some English Country dance tunes, contemporary and traditional
>waltzes and a great picture of my cat!
>They are $16.50 (includes postage)
>Ellen
>snailmail 651 Maple Ave.
>Ardsley, PA 19038

PS  I notice we haven't gotten onto lyrics which *can* be sung to ECD tunes, 
yet.  For instance, it's a little known fact that the words for "Away in a 
Manger" fit neatly to the tune "Haste to the Wedding" (to which I know I have 
danced, although I don't recall when or what.)  
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In a message dated 10/18/2001 10:55:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
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> In a message dated 10/18/01 11:03:58 AM, etepper-AT-
juno.com writes:
> >Hi folks!
> >This week my new cd arrived!
> >Waltzes with Harps (my Sioux name) has 18 tunes, 12 solos on the
> >neo-Celtic harp and 6 duets with a phenomenal recorder player and a pedal
> >harp

Wonder who the phenomenal recorder player might be. . .

Nilos:  "Definitely not your gutless 
pseudo-celtic tinklings as so often found in popular culture, by gum." 

Never anything tepid about Tepper. 
And she is an unrepentant punster.  
Prepare to groan, or die.

Deborah

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>In a message dated 10/18/2001 10:55:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Tideswell-AT-
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juno.com writes:
<BR>&gt;Hi folks!
<BR>&gt;This week my new cd arrived!
<BR>&gt;Waltzes with Harps (my Sioux name) has 18 tunes, 12 solos on the
<BR>&gt;neo-Celtic harp and 6 duets with a phenomenal recorder player and a pedal
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<BR>Wonder who the phenomenal recorder player might be. . .
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<BR>
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The CD is wonderful!  Ellen played for our Wed. English dance
(Germantown Country Dancers) this week so we have had the CD for two
days.  I've been playing it in my car instead of listening to the
depressing news! The phenomenal recorder player is John Burkhalter who
plays for our Colonial performance team and some local dances.

Sandy Rotenberg

Dfhart24-AT-
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> In a message dated 10/18/2001 10:55:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> Tideswell-AT-
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>
>
>
>> In a message dated 10/18/01 11:03:58 AM, etepper-AT-
juno.com writes:
>> >Hi folks!
>> >This week my new cd arrived!
>> >Waltzes with Harps (my Sioux name) has 18 tunes, 12 solos on the
>> >neo-Celtic harp and 6 duets with a phenomenal recorder player and a
>> pedal
>> >harp
>
> Wonder who the phenomenal recorder player might be. . .
>
> Nilos:  "Definitely not your gutless
> pseudo-celtic tinklings as so often found in popular culture, by gum."
>
> Never anything tepid about Tepper.
> And she is an unrepentant punster.
> Prepare to groan, or die.
>
> Deborah

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The Heidenroeslein tune that Pat Shaw used is one of three, as I mentioned
in a discussion about the dance on this list, perhaps three years ago. The
song, lyrical though it sounds, is about rape. In WWII the German soldiers
sang it a lot. After the dance had been published, Pat wished it wouldn't
have been - in part because of that connotation. I have used the dance in
the past, but don't teach it anymore. Neither will Fried.

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Ellen will be playing for NOMAD in little over a week, so I expect it
will be available there.  A chance to dance to Ellen's playing and
save on shipping costs!

For more info:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/8797/index.html





--- sandy and sam rotenberg <srotenbe-AT-
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> The CD is wonderful!  Ellen played for our Wed. English dance
> (Germantown Country Dancers) this week so we have had the CD for
> two
> days.  I've been playing it in my car instead of listening to the
> depressing news! The phenomenal recorder player is John Burkhalter
> who
> plays for our Colonial performance team and some local dances.
> 
> Sandy Rotenberg
> 
> Dfhart24-AT-
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> 
> > In a message dated 10/18/2001 10:55:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > Tideswell-AT-
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> >
> >
> >
> >> In a message dated 10/18/01 11:03:58 AM, etepper-AT-
juno.com
> writes:
> >> >Hi folks!
> >> >This week my new cd arrived!
> >> >Waltzes with Harps (my Sioux name) has 18 tunes, 12 solos on
> the
> >> >neo-Celtic harp and 6 duets with a phenomenal recorder player
> and a
> >> pedal
> >> >harp


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 Yonina Gordon is the emcee for an unique combination
dance night - English country and contra - at the
"Harvest Dance" at the Church in the Highlands on
Bryant Ave. in White Plains, NY, on Saturday, October
20, 2001.
 
 Hot Under the Caller featuring Anna Teigen, Tim
Macomber, Trish Davis, and Laurie Macomber provides
the music.
 
 Country Dancers of Westchester sponsors the 8pm to
11pm dance.
 
 General admission is $12.00, only $10.00 for members
of CDW.
 
 Directions to the Church in the Highlands are
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 Bluebell is available to meet the express train
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Dave said

>Tony Parkes once pointed out to me that if the title of a tune
>fits the meter of the tune, there's a good chance there's a whole
>poem out there somewhere that fits the tune. Makes sense. One that
>comes immediately to mind, for example, is "Lull Me Beyond Thee."
>It is clearly sung by the last five notes of both the A and B
>sections. I've never seen the poem, but there must be one.

Burns apparently thought that there ought to be a way to sing it, anyway, 
when he set the following words to it.  

John Barleycorn
Melody - "Lull me beyond thee" 
Robert Burns 

 There was three kings into the east,
 Three kings both great and high,
 And they hae sworn a solemn oath
 John Barleycorn should die. 

  They took a plough and plough'd him down,
 Put clods upon his head,
 And they hae sworn a solemn oath
 John Barleycorn was dead. 

  But the cheerful Spring came kindly on'
 And show'rs began to fall;
 John Barleycorn got up again,
 And sore surpris'd them all. 

 The sultry suns of Summer came,
 And he grew thick and strong:
 His head weel arm'd wi pointed spears,
 That no one should him wrong. 

 The sober Autumn enter'd mild,
 When he grew wan and pale;
 His bendin joints and drooping head
 Show'd he began to fail. 

 His colour sicken'd more and more,
 He faded into age;
And then his enemies began
To show their deadly rage. 

 They've taen a weapon, long and sharp,
 And cut him by the knee;
 They ty'd him fast upon a cart,
 Like a rogue for forgerie. 

They laid him down upon his back,
And cudgell'd him full sore.
They hung him up before the storm,
And turn'd him o'er and o'er. 

They filled up a darksome pit
With water to the brim,
 They heav'd in John Barleycorn-
There, let him sink or swim! 

They laid him upon the floor,
To work him farther woe;
And still, as signs of life appear'd,
They toss'd him to and fro. 

They wasted o'er a scorching flame
The marrow of his bones;
But a miller us'd him worst of all,
For he crush'd him between two stones. 

And they hae taen his very hero blood
And drank it round and round;
And still the more and more they drank,
Their joy did more abound. 

John Barleycorn was a hero bold,
Of noble enterprise;
For if you do but taste his blood,
'Twill make your courage rise. 

Twill make a man forget his woe;
'Twill heighten all his joy:
'Twill make the widow's heart to sing,
Tho the tear were in her eye. 

Then let us toast John Barleycorn,
 Each man a glass in hand;
 And may his great posterity
 Ne'er fail in old Scotland! 
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Burns apparently thought that there ought to be a way to sing it, anyway,
when he set the following words to it.

<<John Barleycorn
Melody - "Lull me beyond thee"
Robert Burns >>

It should be noted that Burns married the traditional words (which he
probably edited a bit) and the melody, rather than writing one or composing
the other. Which doesn't take away from his achievement, of course.

Peace,
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 Which reminds me of "Trip to Tunbridge" (or am I confusing it with
something else), to the tune "Green grow the rashes". Ewan MacColl's
collection gives both the "traditional" words and Burns' CLEANED-UP
(contrary to aspects of his legend) version.


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NOMAD is desperately short of volunteer workers this year, especially
in the sound department.  If you are planning to come to the festival
and can give even an hour of your time to working at the registration
table, the Performer Sales table or, especially, working a sound
board, please let me know, ASAP.  Depending on the hours you are
willing to help, you can earn a discount on the price of admission,
or free entry.  (You can't dance all the time, so if your sitting
down, it might as well be at the ticket table or Performer Sales
table).

NOMAD is one of those festivals that couldn't exist without
volunteers to help out.  All of the performers and organizers donate
their time, which is why we can keep the admission price so low - $35
for the entire weekend, $29 for all day Saturday and Sunday.  But in
order to do that we have to rely on people willing to give a little
of their time to keep things going.

Thanks.
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Hi all,

Just an update on the instrument carry-on situation. Yesterday
someone reported on one of my other lists that a friend of his
who tours extensively with a guitar was told by Southwest
Airlines that she cannot carry the instrument with her in the
passenger compartment. I'm not sure if other airlines are
interpreting the new FAA carry-on rules this way or not. I've
asked people on that list to find out if the musicians from New
England who are in Seattle this weekend for WannaDance Uptown
have experienced any problems. (I wish that I could be there to
dance to Gene's teaching.)

Maybe instruments will have to be checked as "animals", which
have to be carried in the heated, pressurized part of the
airplane and get special handling by the baggage people. (I know
that when Alaska unloads animals here in Portland an attendant
brings them out to the baggage claim area and stays with the
animal until they are claimed.)

Andy

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--- Barbara Ruth <barbararuth-AT-
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> You can't dance all the time...

No, not any more, but twenty or thirty years ago I sure tried.
Even twelve years ago when I left Connecticut I was dancing 5
nights a week, but that was only for a few hours each night, not
all day and night. 

The most relaxing vacation I'd had in years was a Centrum dance
week in 1987 in Port Townsend WA at which I _didn't_ try to
dance every moment. I took time to stroll on the beach and
meander around the beautiful town, as well as spending time with
the cousin that I was staying with that week. It was after that
week that I decided that it was time to move back to the Pacific
Northwest after living most of my life on the east coast.

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Andrew Peterson wrote:

> passenger compartment. I'm not sure if other airlines are
> interpreting the new FAA carry-on rules this way or not. I've

Every list I'm on has people asking about what can and can't be carried
on.  From the responses it appears to change daily and varies greatly
from airline to airline and airport to airport.  The best thing to do is
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No it's not published - just notes from Carl. The only change from
Fallibroome is that Carl keeps arming as originally published - and
interprets it as a right forearm hold to go halfway and face up, then
cast off, arm left halfway to end facing down and cast up. Our group
generally has everyone set at the end (not just ones) into ones cast off
and twos lead up.
Brooke

Allison M Thompson wrote:

> I have the Bentley version, but am wondering if the Wittman version is
> published anywhere?
>
> Allison
>
> On Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:28:34 -0700 Chris Sackett & Brooke Friendly
> <friendsack-AT-
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> > And there is "In the Fields In Frost and Snows" in which the singer
> > mentions
> > various activities done in said field and various other places -
> > such as
> > 'milked my father's cows'....all the way to 'met my own true love'
> > with a
> > charming chorus of 'booing here, booing there...'(for the cows),
> > baaing,
> > cackling, grunting (that would be pigs) and so forth to wooing (that
> > would be
> > the lovers).
> >
> > The dance is from Dancing Master vol 2 and reconstructed in Bently's
> > Fallibroome Collection #1, although I prefer Carl Wittman's
> > reconstruction
> > which keeps the original arming (using a forearm hold). Words of the
> > song are
> > by D'Urfey.
> >
> > Happy singing and dancing,
> > Brooke Friendly in Oregon
> >
> >
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Dear friends,
I am designing a poster for our Dickensian Christmas Carol Ball in
December - I have done a webpage, but am looking for some new ideas on how
to present it so as to attract the general public. If anyone on this list
wants to chat with me privately about it, I'd be very grateful (so as not to
block up the general list).
We will be having a band Earthly Delights, and are inviting several choirs
to sing carols. John has been writing dances to go to each carol (we have
been practising these every Sunday afternoon - and everyone seems to be
enjoying them). My problem is that the hall hire and insurance has increased
dramatically, and I need to get more people in the door to cover costs. With
a lot of hard work I can get 200 - I need to get 300+ this time.
Warmest Regards, Aylwen Garden (email and webpage details below).
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>I got the latest rules from United because I am flying with them next
>month.  They are limiting carry-on to one piece of luggage measuring
>at most 45 linear inches (length+width+height) and a personal item
>such as a purse or laptop computer.
>
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On Thu, 18 Oct 2001 12:17:20 -0400 Graham.Christian-AT-
risk.sungard.com
writes:
> 
> Speaking of "Jamaica," it's often tempting to program it for the 
> coldest
> part of the winter, as compensation, and somewhere I have a draft of 
> new
> words I wrote touting Caribbean vacation possibilities, with the 
> refrain,
> "Let's all go to Jamaica!"
> Maddy Prior sings this tune as "The Prodigal's Resolution" on *Hang 
> up
> sorrow and care*

There's also a rousing version of the song called "The Jovial Broom Man"
on the City Waites CD "How the World Wags (Hyperion label). The basic
premise of the song is that it's sung by a guy who's bragging about all
his alleged exploits abroad so he can get a seat at the bar:

Room for a lad that's come from seas
Hey, jolly broom man
That glady now would take his ease
And therefore make me room, man
To cross the meadowland from Spain
Hey, jolly broom man
I crossed the seas and back again
And therefore make me room, man...

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--- Aylwen <garden-AT-
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> From: Bruce Sagan <sagan-AT-
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> To: scand-AT-
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> 
> >I got the latest rules from United because I am flying with
> > them next month.  They are limiting carry-on to one piece
> > of luggage measuring at most 45 linear inches
> > (length+width+height) and a personal item such as a purse
> > or laptop computer.
> >-Bruce

Both of my fiddle cases miss that by about 1".

Andy in Portland

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  A Times columnist reported being told he had to check his tweezers.
Today this was followed by a letter column note that FAA regulations
specifically permit carry-on tweezers. Evidently "check with the airline"
will not help when, as with so many of the "security measures" being
dropped on us, it depends on the PERSON who is on duty (and maybe what
mood he is in.).


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On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Will Linden wrote:

>   A Times columnist reported being told he had to check his tweezers.
> Today this was followed by a letter column note that FAA regulations
> specifically permit carry-on tweezers. Evidently "check with the airline"
> will not help when, as with so many of the "security measures" being
> dropped on us, it depends on the PERSON who is on duty (and maybe what
> mood he is in.).

It's nice to know that some things never change.  About ten years ago I was
running to catch a flight at the Minneapolis airport, and I was carrying an
RS-232 sex changer cable in my coat pocket.  RS-232 connectors are those
trapezoid-shaped plugs you find on the backs of computers, and they come in
male and female varieties; a sex changer cable is basically a short length
of flat ribbon cable, about two inches wide, with a couple of connectors of
each sex attached to it, which enables you to connect two connectors of the
same sex if you should need to do that.  I handed it to the security guy,
because I was pretty sure that the metal in the wires would set off the
detector, and he looked at it and said "What is this?"  I explained it was
a computer component.  He said "I've never seen one of these before.  Is it
a weapon?"  I said that it wasn't.  He said "I don't know about this.  I'm
going to have to check with my supervisor."  So he radioed for his
supervisor, who showed up 15 minutes later -- long after my flight had
departed -- and assured this bozo that a piece of cable with some
connectors on it can't hurt anyone.

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please pardon the digression from ECD; i thought some of you might be
interested in the following e-mail from one of my central NJ
dancing/quilting friends:

---------

Dear Dancing Needles,

I have been working with a friend of mine, a quilter in NYC, on a project
for people to make quilts in memory of someone they lost on 9/11, or
otherwise expressing their sadness or grief.  The project is called
September 11 Quilts and we have a web site september11quilts.org.
 
Right now Japan Broadcasting wants to film a quilting bee, with a group of
quilters working on a memorial quilt, and that is up to me to arrange.  
The best date they offered is Sunday, November 18, around 2:00 or 3:00 in
the afternoon.  I will supply the quilt top (and back, and batting and
refreshments).  I will also find a place, possibly my house.

The Piece Corps Quilters are helping, but I would like you to come too, if
you can.  Please save the date, and let me know if you can come, and if
you would like to make a panel (3'x3' or 3'x6') or know anyone who would
like to make one please let me know.

---------

please contact me off-list if you would like to be involved in this
project in central NJ; or check the web page if you're interested but far
away.

peace,

susie lorand
princeton, nj, usa


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I will gladly check my tweezers at the airport.  The ones that are 
longer than 45 inches (for those *really* nasty splinters) I will 
leave at home.

As a patriotic measure, perhaps we should have a few evenings of 
only 'USA' dances, making sure it's not the Union of South Africa 
or Usa, Japan.   

By the way, I heard about those dyslexic marines who invaded
Bloomingdales after hearing that Bed Linen was on the fourth floor.
Any ideas for good dyslexic dances?  I *know* you can do better 
these...... 

Bubblin' Day?  Mack's Jacket?  Hell Wall?  Picking Stocks on Upticks?
Girlywig?  Road House?      Mad House?(Mad Robin/Red House)

Sol


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Sol wrote: "By the way, I heard about those dyslexic marines who invaded
Bloomingdales after hearing that Bed Linen was on the fourth floor."

Cara:  Sol, you crack me up!! :) :)

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I will gladly check my tweezers at the airport.  The ones that are 
longer than 45 inches (for those *really* nasty splinters) I will 
leave at home.

As a patriotic measure, perhaps we should have a few evenings of 
only 'USA' dances, making sure it's not the Union of South Africa 
or Usa, Japan.   

By the way, I heard about those dyslexic marines who invaded
Bloomingdales after hearing that Bed Linen was on the fourth floor. Any
ideas for good dyslexic dances?  I *know* you can do better 
these...... 

Bubblin' Day?  Mack's Jacket?  Hell Wall?  Picking Stocks on Upticks?
Girlywig?  Road House?      Mad House?(Mad Robin/Red House)

Sol


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Paul said

><<John Barleycorn
>Melody - "Lull me beyond thee"
>Robert Burns >>
>
>It should be noted that Burns married the traditional words (which he
>probably edited a bit) and the melody, rather than writing one or composing
>the other. Which doesn't take away from his achievement, of course.
>
>Peace,
>Paul

Did he, now?  I didn't know that!  Thank you for putting me right, Paul.

I've long wondered if Burns was one of those guys with incurable 
tunes-in-the-brain.  A piece of historical curiosity which, as with so many 
of the interesting ones, will never be satisfied.

Nilos
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>  Sol suggests the following dyslexic dances
>
>Bubblin' Day?  Mack's Jacket?  Hell Wall?  Picking Stocks on Upticks?
>Girlywig?  Road House?      Mad House?(Mad Robin/Red House)

"Mad House" (also known as "Red Robin") is the nickname of the Nonesuch 
dance suite containing both dances that we performed in 1998 and 1999.  To 
shorten titles when we refer to suites of several dances we have always 
made an aggomeration of the names. e.g  the suite that contains Chelsea 
Reach and Queen of Sheba is known as "Chelsea Queen." and "Mr Kynaston's 
Famous dance" plus Jump at the Sun" is referred to as "Mr. Kynaston's 
Jump"  Faced with a choice for "The Bonnie Cookoo" and "The Turning of the 
Year" we rejected "the Bonnie Year" for "Turning of the Cookoo"  (Of course 
the full titles of all dances go in the program-- this is just how we refer 
to them in rehearsals to save time.)

The above are actual suites that we've done. I hate to think what Sol's 
mind could come up with let loose among all the titles of dances, without 
being limited to dances that will actually go together in terms of keys, 
meters, moods, and formations!

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In a message dated 10/22/01 5:06:04 PM, bestockp-AT-
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<< >  Sol suggests the following dyslexic dances
>
>Bubblin' Day?  Mack's Jacket?  Hell Wall?  Picking Stocks on Upticks?
>Girlywig?  Road House?      Mad House?(Mad Robin/Red House)
 >>

I assume Sol regularly does the Queens Jig as his "home dance."
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I wrote:

 >One that comes immediately to mind, for example, is "Lull Me
 >Beyond Thee." It is clearly sung by the last five notes of both
 >the A and B sections. I've never seen the poem, but there must
 >be one.

Nilos wrote:

 >Burns apparently thought that there ought to be a way to sing
 >it, anyway, when he set the following words to it. 
 >
 >John Barleycorn
 >Melody - "Lull me beyond thee" 
 >Robert Burns 
 >
 > There was three kings into the east,
 > Three kings both great and high,
 > And they hae sworn a solemn oath
 > John Barleycorn should die. 
 >
 >  [&c]

I've been looking at this for days now, trying to make it work.
Are we talking about the same tune? I know these words to other
music, but the "Lull Me Beyond Thee" I know would put one too many
beats in the 2nd and 4th lines of each verse. See the tune
(facsimile from Playford) here:

http://www.izaak.unh.edu/nhltmd/indexes/dancingmaster/Dance/Play1087.htm

or in modern notation here:

http://www.cam.ac.uk/societies/round/dances/rbbop/page16.htm

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In the same vein, The Newcastle Country Dancers used to do The Health and 
Parson's Farewell as a suite, which they always referred to as 
Health/Parson's.  Perhaps they didn't wish to comment on the vicar's 
well-being by referring to The Parson's Health.

Mary Luckhardt

On 10/22/01 2:04 PM Paul / Victoria Bestock said:

>
>>  Sol suggests the following dyslexic dances
>>
>>Bubblin' Day?  Mack's Jacket?  Hell Wall?  Picking Stocks on Upticks?
>>Girlywig?  Road House?      Mad House?(Mad Robin/Red House)
>
>"Mad House" (also known as "Red Robin") is the nickname of the Nonesuch 
>dance suite containing both dances that we performed in 1998 and 1999.  To 
>shorten titles when we refer to suites of several dances we have always 
>made an aggomeration of the names. e.g  the suite that contains Chelsea 
>Reach and Queen of Sheba is known as "Chelsea Queen." and "Mr Kynaston's 
>Famous dance" plus Jump at the Sun" is referred to as "Mr. Kynaston's 
>Jump"  Faced with a choice for "The Bonnie Cookoo" and "The Turning of the 
>Year" we rejected "the Bonnie Year" for "Turning of the Cookoo"  (Of course 
>the full titles of all dances go in the program-- this is just how we refer 
>to them in rehearsals to save time.)
>
>The above are actual suites that we've done. I hate to think what Sol's 
>mind could come up with let loose among all the titles of dances, without 
>being limited to dances that will actually go together in terms of keys, 
>meters, moods, and formations!
>
>Victoria in Seattle
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>
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Flephyrs and Zora? The Marley Bow? Rambleton's Hound-O?
Brooke

sol weber wrote:

> Any ideas for good dyslexic dances?  I *know* you can do better
> these......
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Don't forget that all-time favorite, "The Kook of Dent's Waltz"...

Susan 

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Peter Wollenberg points out that the dance combining "Red House" and "Mad
Robin", which Sol dubbed "Mad House", could also be called "Red Robin".

Peace,
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<<Did he, now?  I didn't know that!  Thank you for putting me right, Paul.>>

The Traditional Ballad Index lists "Earliest Date" on "John Barleycorn" as:

"before 1625 (broadside from the reign of James I)"

<<I've long wondered if Burns was one of those guys with incurable
tunes-in-the-brain.  A piece of historical curiosity which, as with so many
of the interesting ones, will never be satisfied.>>

You mean there are people who *don't* have them? Oh dear...

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<<In the same vein, The Newcastle Country Dancers used to do The Health and
Parson's Farewell as a suite, which they always referred to as
Health/Parson's.  Perhaps they didn't wish to comment on the vicar's
well-being by referring to The Parson's Health.>>

Phil Cooper, of Chicago, used to play "Drive the Cold Winter Away" and
"Parson's Farewell" as a medley (for performance, not dance!) He called it,
of course, "Drive the Cold Parson Away".

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The first year Arthur Ferguson went to Pinewoods, he was put in the 
beginners class for ECD.  I don't remember who taught that class but 
they felt it was appropriate to have the class learn Parsons.

Half way thorough the weekend Arthur came back shaking his head in 
amazement and declared the name of the dance to be "Prelate's 
Disaster"!

Been hard for me to think of it as anything else ever since.
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--- Paul Stamler <pstamler-AT-
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> Phil Cooper, of Chicago, used to play "Drive the Cold Winter
> Away" and "Parson's Farewell" as a medley (for performance,
> not dance!) He called it, of course, "Drive the Cold Parson
> Away".

Or if played in the spring it could be "Winter's Farewell"


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We might also have "The Fair Baker of Quail". Well it almost
works, ...maybe for Nilos' dancing feast, if not for Sol's
dyslexia.

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Musicians - Has anyone heard about these new concertinas? See
www.concertina.net
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> Peter Wollenberg points out that the dance combining "Red House" and "Mad
> Robin", which Sol dubbed "Mad House", could also be called "Red Robin".

... to be followed by Shifting Bob-bob-bobbins, presumably.

Thomas Bending

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Actually Mr. Parson was a dancing master, not a clergy man.

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I've always favored either Money in the Wall or Hole in Both Pockets...

Judy G.
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Then it's good you have Money in the Wall, 'cause your pockets ain't
what they used to be . . . :) -- Cara

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I've always favored either Money in the Wall or Hole in Both Pockets...

Judy G.

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How about those Lassbury Shrews?
Ellen
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Alan Corkett wrote:

 >Musicians - Has anyone heard about these new concertinas? See
 >www.concertina.net

Hayden Duet Concertinas are not all that new. I've been playing
it since 1987. There are a couple of new developments about how
available they are.

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My favorite (from Brad Foster) is "Auretti's Stuck Zipper."

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Quoth the Barnert:
'My favorite (from Brad Foster) is "Auretti's Stuck Zipper." '
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   Here is the list of dances the Central Illinois English Country Dancers
will be doing this coming Friday at our Halloween Masquerade dance.

Asking For the Grave
The Black Hag
The Booship
The Discorporation
Draper's Graveyard
Gathering Pumpkins
Ghoul in the Wall
Haunted Hunsdon House
Morbid Rant
Winter Foulup
Zombie Five

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You left out Jacque O'Lantern and The Bonny, Bonny Broomstick...
Sharon

At 11:19 AM 10/23/01 -0500, you wrote:
>   Here is the list of dances the Central Illinois English Country Dancers
>will be doing this coming Friday at our Halloween Masquerade dance.
>
>Asking For the Grave
>The Black Hag
>The Booship
>The Discorporation
>Draper's Graveyard
>Gathering Pumpkins
>Ghoul in the Wall
>Haunted Hunsdon House
>Morbid Rant
>Winter Foulup
>Zombie Five
>
>Jonathan
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>|  Beckman Institute             |                                      |
>|  405 N. Mathews                |  SWMDG - Single White Male           |
>|  Urbana, IL  61801             |          Dance Gypsy                 |
>|  Work: 217/244-1923            |                                      |
>|  Home: 217/359-8225            |  Have shoes, will dance.             |
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Sharon Green writes:
> 
> You left out Jacque O'Lantern and The Bonny, Bonny Broomstick...

   Good suggestions.  We'll have to try them next year.

Jonathan

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> Quoth the Barnert:
> 'My favorite (from Brad Foster) is "Auretti's Stuck Zipper." '
> I'm so relieved to see that this came from such a reputable source--I heard
> it from a dear friend years ago, but have met with a shocking number of
> disapprovingly raised eyebrows when I have uttered it myself...
> Graham Christian
> 

I guess we can all breathe a sigh of relief that it was *just* the eyebrow 
that was raised. . . [rather than some other shocking number.]
Deborah

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>In a message dated 10/23/2001 11:41:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Graham.Christian-AT-
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<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Quoth the Barnert:
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<BR>I'm so relieved to see that this came from such a reputable source--I heard
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<BR>I guess we can all breathe a sigh of relief that it was *just* the eyebrow that was raised. . . [rather than some other shocking number.]
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> > You left out Jacque O'Lantern and The Bonny, Bonny Broomstick...
> 
>    Good suggestions.  We'll have to try them next year.
> 

How about Jack's Stealth and - oh well! - Jack's Maggot. - dfh

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We're getting enough suggestions for years to come! Here are a few more:

Boocastle
Greenwitch Park
Dublin Bat
Gnome Park
Bat Carnival
Mage on a Creep
and Grimstock - perfect as it stands.

Susan
(Whatever happened to the " ' " in "Hallowe'en"??)

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There's also "Bewitched Place" ....

-- David

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We're getting enough suggestions for years to come! Here are a few more:

Boocastle
Greenwitch Park
Dublin Bat
Gnome Park
Bat Carnival
Mage on a Creep
and Grimstock - perfect as it stands.

Susan
(Whatever happened to the " ' " in "Hallowe'en"??)

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--- Graham.Christian-AT-
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> Quoth the Barnert:
> >'My favorite (from Brad Foster) is "Auretti's Stuck Zipper."
'
> I'm so relieved to see that this came from such a reputable
> source--I heard it from a dear friend years ago, but have met
> with a shocking number of disapprovingly raised eyebrows when
> I have uttered it myself...

I heard it from Dudley Laufman in the very early 70's. 

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Alan Corkett wrote:
>Musicians - Has anyone heard about these new concertinas? See
>www.concertina.net

Dave Barnert wrote; Hayden Duet Concertinas are not all that new. I've been
playing
it since 1987. There are a couple of new developments about how available
they are.

Alan replies; I suppose it all depends on what you mean by new!  I feel that
1987 is quite new compared to 1825 when things started.

As far as the Wheatstones and Bastaris and Stagis are concerned, I doubt if
more than 40-60 were made. so to the rest of the globe who don't have them,
they're new.

As far as the Russian working prototype (just delivered) is concerned, I
understand there are several modifications to be made to it (handles the
wrong shape and in the wrong position) and the Russian construction is quite
compact, different (rivetting all the reeds on to one metal back plate I
believe) and new, unless you are familiar with bayans;
...and as yet, no one has one. So that strikes me as a bit new.

Next Spring Samantha Boorer says she will return from Moscow with five whole
ones, and for three of which she has firm orders already!

Alan Corkett

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On Thu, 18 Oct 2001 22:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Nilos wrote:
> Hi All
> 
> I received the following today from Ellen Tepper, and am passing it on
to the 
> list.    For those of you who don't know Ellen, she and her harps have
been a 
> fixture of Early Music Week at Pinewoods for a number of years, and she
was 
> part of the amazing music lineup at English Week there this year....
> [info about her new CD...]

>They are $16.50 (includes postage)
>Ellen Tepper
>651 Maple Ave.
>Ardsley, PA 19038 
 
> ...  Definitely not your gutless pseudo-celtic tinklings as so often
found in popular culture, by 
> gum.  She fairly makes the strings dance.  In fact, words fail me, and
someone else 
> will have to provide the encomium.  Gene?  Dave? 

I think you said it well (gutless pseudo-celtic tinklings happen to be
one of my pet peeves.  Ellen calls it "neo-Celtoid schlock fusion"). 
Ellen's CD's are beautiful (she's done a few already), and she really has
the "chops" to play dance tunes *up to tempo* with exceptional
musicality.  She joins us every year for a dance party at Country Dancers
of Westchester (we call our ad hoc band with oboe, piano, concertina, and
harp "E.T. and the Aliens") and the event has become one of our most
successful in a busy schedule of many fine events.
 
So support your local harper!  [if you're reading this list, you're
"local."  This is a close-knit community that has little to do with
mundane geography.  And every community needs a harper...]

Gene

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<<I think you said it well (gutless pseudo-celtic tinklings happen to be
one of my pet peeves.  Ellen calls it "neo-Celtoid schlock fusion"). >>

With heavy digital Celtic echo-chamber.

Peace,
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--- Paul / Victoria Bestock <bestockp-AT-
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> "Mr Kynaston's 
> Famous dance" plus Jump at the Sun" is referred to as "Mr.
> Kynaston's Jump"  


Not "Mr. Kynaston's Famous Son"?




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--- DavBarnert-AT-
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> My favorite (from Brad Foster) is "Auretti's Stuck Zipper."
> 

In the ever-popular category of dances and food there is "Auretti's
Dutch Kippers."

Forgive me if this one has already been mentioned. From the Yiddishe
Country Dance collection, "John Canon's Tallis."

And for the Halloween list, "the Damned Fango."

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Yes, I've *heard* Ellen Tepper on various occasions (and hope to hear 
her again this weekend at NOMAD), and for sure, as a harper she
definitely gets high marx !!           s.


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Country Dancers of Westchester's Halloween dance party
is Friday, October 26, at the Church in the Highlands,
Bryant Ave., White Plains, NY.

Mary Jones is the MC for the party, which starts at
8pm, and The Flying Romanos - Robin Russell; Marnen
Laibow-Koser; and Norma Castle -- provides the music.

Admission is $12.00. Members of CDW pay $10.00.

Directions to the Church in the Highlands and other
information is at CDW's website. Here's the url.
 http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/2225/

For those in New York city, White Plains is just a
30-minute rail trip on Metro North from Grand Central
Terminal.

Weekly Thursday night workshop dances continue in the
weeks following on November 1st, 8th, and 15th. Carol
Martinez is the MC.

Members of the house band that play for workshop
nights are Leah Barkan, George Davis, Sue Polansky,
and Stewart Dean with occasional guest musicians.

For more information, call Susan Murrow at (914)
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> The Math Forum (formerly of Swarthmore College) posts interesting math
> problems every week.  This week's discrete math problem (and perhaps
> next week's, too) highlights ECD. 
> 
> http://www.mathforum.org/dmpow/
> http://www.mathforum.org/dmpow/solutions/solution.ehtml?puzzle=84
> 
> Kudos to the author for providing some publicity for ECD!
> 
> -- Sam

Hi, Sam: are you a mathematician? Can you 'invent' the Weiler Formula?

I've never been good at proability, etc. Mary Kay did it for us at our 
annual ball, computing the number of dances a lady should do with another 
lady if there was a gender 'imbalance.' So, if there are n dances, m males 
and f females, with f>m, about how many dances (D) should a lady do with 
another to make if fair? We ignore sitting-out and (men dancing with men!) 
and know that the answer will likely come out to be a fraction but are 
willing to round to the nearest integer.

Such a formula would be worthy of publication! (In the CDSS News.)

-- 
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Hi ECD Listers,
During our Alan Corkett's 6th Music & Crafts Week at Halsway Manor we have a
Halloween Dance Party for everyone on Wednesday evening.  I need some help
with ideas for simple decorations and themes so that we prevent the loads of
extra work, upsetting the staff, avoid the safety hazards, but adds to the
fun, etc. hopeful y the members of the crafts course will turn their hands
to producing whatever you suggest (I'll let you know how they get on!)

MC will be Brian Heaton. Music will be provided by the house band of
musicians on the course led by David Brown and Alan Corkett. Come and join
us!

For those who have not been before, Halsway sits about 10 miles out of
Taunton on the road to the sea at Minehead (A359), just past Crowcombe
village.
Alan

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Country Dancers of Westchester's Halloween dance party
is Friday, October 26, at the Church in the Highlands,
Bryant Ave., White Plains, NY.

Mary Jones is the MC for the party, which starts at
8pm, and The Flying Romanos - Robin Russell; Marnen
Laibow-Koser; and Norma Castle -- provides the music.

Admission is $12.00. Members of CDW pay $10.00.

Directions to the Church in the Highlands and other
information is at CDW's website. Here's the url.
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/2225/

For those in New York city, White Plains is just a
30-minute rail trip on Metro North from Grand Central
Terminal.

Weekly Thursday night workshop dances continue in the
weeks following on November 1st, 8th, and 15th. Carol
Martinez is the MC.

Members of the house band that play for workshop
nights are Leah Barkan, George Davis, Sue Polansky,
and Stewart Dean with occasional guest musicians.

For more information, call Susan Murrow at (914)
762-8619 or Leah at 914/693-5577.


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To answer the earlier question: I'd blame Melissa Running, an English
dancer in Philly and a graduate of Swarthmore. 

> Hi, Sam: are you a mathematician? Can you 'invent' the Weiler Formula?
>
> I've never been good at proability, etc. Mary Kay did it for us at our 
> annual ball, computing the number of dances a lady should do with another 
> lady if there was a gender 'imbalance.' So, if there are n dances, m males 
> and f females, with f>m, about how many dances (D) should a lady do with 
> another to make if fair? We ignore sitting-out and (men dancing with men!) 
> and know that the answer will likely come out to be a fraction but are 
> willing to round to the nearest integer.
> 
> Such a formula would be worthy of publication! (In the CDSS News.)

I'm not a mathematician, I just play one on the dance floor.

That said, the problem you present isn't all that difficult.  Imagine if
you had one man and three women.  If they rotate partners for three
dances (Rufty Tufty, Heartsease, and John Tallis' Canon), each woman would
get to partner with the man once and dance with another woman twice.
Expressing this as the fraction of the dances that should be danced with
the same sex partner, that's two-thirds. 

As for a general formula, I think I'll take the Math Forum's approach and
let you (and the list) stew on this for a couple more days, then post an
answer.  Feel free to send me proposed solutions (I need to double check
my answer!) or ask for hints.

-- Sam

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The Baltimore Folk Music Society's Annual Halloween English Country Dance 
will be Monday evening, October 29, at St. Mark's-on-the-Hill Church in 
Pikesville, Maryland, 1620 Reisterstown Rd, 1/2 mile inside Beltway Exit 20.  
Admission $6 members (BFMS, CDSS, FGW, ATDS), $8 non-members 

Come dressed as your favorite English dance (the more obscure the pun, the 
better), and callers Diane Schmit and Rich Galloway will guess your dance, 
call it (without naming it), and the dancers then will try to guess who is 
dressed as that dance. 

Music will be by Marty Taylor, Jonathan Jensen and Carl Friedman.

Hope to see you there!

Carl Friedman
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>
>> > You left out Jacque O'Lantern


Cannot figure that one out...I'm dense tonite!!!

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Oopppsss..my mind still does work.

Jacque Latin!!!!!

>At 01:50 PM 10/23/2001 -0400, you wrote:
>>In a message dated 10/23/2001 12:42:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
>>j-sivier-AT-
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>>
>>
>>> > You left out Jacque O'Lantern
>
>
>Cannot figure that one out...I'm dense tonite!!!
>
>m

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Oopppsss..my mind still does work.<br><br>
Jacque Latin!!!!!<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>At 01:50 PM 10/23/2001 -0400, you
wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite><font face="arial" size=2>In a
message dated 10/23/2001 12:42:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
j-sivier-AT-
ux1.cso.uiuc.edu writes: <br><br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>&gt; You left out Jacque O'Lantern
</font></blockquote></blockquote><br><br>
Cannot figure that one out...I'm dense tonite!!!<br><br>
m</blockquote>
<x-sigsep><p></x-sigsep>
Mike Mudrey<br>
106 Ravine Road<br>
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608-437-3701<br><br>
mgmudrey-AT-
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mike-AT-
mudrey.com<br><br>
<br>
dance connections for Madison, Wisconsin<br>
<a href="http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/dances.htm" eudora="autourl">http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/dances.htm<br><br>
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At 07:34 PM 10/24/01 -0500, you wrote: 
>
> At 01:50 PM 10/23/2001 -0400, you wrote:
>>
>> In a message dated 10/23/2001 12:42:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>> j-sivier-AT-
ux1.cso.uiuc.edu writes: 
>>
>>
>>>
>>> > You left out Jacque O'Lantern 
>>
>
>
>
> Cannot figure that one out...I'm dense tonite!!!


Jacque Latin, from English Dances for the Dutch Court

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writes: <br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>&gt; You left out Jacque O'Lantern
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<br>
Cannot figure that one out...I'm dense tonite!!!</blockquote><br>
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Oh well, yet another time I respond unnecessarily.  Okay, more silliness:
The Wraiths of Rochester
Kith & (Pump)kin
A Ghoul's Best Friend

Time to go back to watching for the Great Pumpkin--
Sharon





At 07:39 PM 10/24/01 -0500, you wrote: 
>
> Oopppsss..my mind still does work.
>
> Jacque Latin!!!!!
>
>>
>> At 01:50 PM 10/23/2001 -0400, you wrote:
>>>
>>> In a message dated 10/23/2001 12:42:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> j-sivier-AT-
ux1.cso.uiuc.edu writes: 
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> > You left out Jacque O'Lantern 
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Cannot figure that one out...I'm dense tonite!!!
>>
>> m
>
>
> Mike Mudrey
> 106 Ravine Road
> Mount Horeb, WI53572-1930
> 608-437-3701
>
> mgmudrey-AT-
mhtc.net
> mike-AT-
mudrey.com
>
>
> dance connections for Madison, Wisconsin
> http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/dances.htm



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Oh well, yet another time I respond unnecessarily.&nbsp; Okay, more
silliness:<br>
The Wraiths of Rochester<br>
Kith &amp; (Pump)kin<br>
A Ghoul's Best Friend<br>
<br>
Time to go back to watching for the Great Pumpkin--<br>
Sharon<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
At 07:39 PM 10/24/01 -0500, you wrote: <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>Oopppsss..my mind still does work.<br>
<br>
Jacque Latin!!!!!<br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>At 01:50 PM 10/23/2001 -0400, you wrote:<br>
<font face="arial" size=2><blockquote type=cite cite>In a message dated
10/23/2001 12:42:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, j-sivier-AT-
ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
writes: <br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>&gt; You left out Jacque O'Lantern
</font></blockquote></blockquote><br>
<br>
Cannot figure that one out...I'm dense tonite!!!<br>
<br>
m</blockquote><br>
Mike Mudrey<br>
106 Ravine Road<br>
Mount Horeb, WI53572-1930<br>
608-437-3701<br>
<br>
mgmudrey-AT-
mhtc.net<br>
mike-AT-
mudrey.com<br>
<br>
<br>
dance connections for Madison, Wisconsin<br>
<a href="http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/dances.htm" eudora="autourl">http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/dances.htm</a><br>
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A favorite Halloween title, notable for its simplicity:

Shrews Bury Lasses.


Beverly Francis
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How about 
Bones Transported (or Quite Buried Away)
Chilled Grave
The Shade Shrieked out at the Window
Martha

Martha Davey   25-14 37 ST,  Astoria, NY 11103
(718)278-4389   Call before sending a fax.
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David said

>There's also "Bewitched Place" ....

Uh huh.  Where does the nose twitch come in?  And do you set to partner and 
say "Da-a-RIN!"

Nilos, not *that* embarrassed about being a baby boomer
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On Wed, 24 Oct 2001 12:03:50 -0400 sol weber <solweber-AT-
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> 
> . . . as a harper she definitely gets high marx !!

Sol... such cheek!  Enough to make one grouchy!

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Is that a frontal lobotomy or a bottle in front o' me? -- Swordfish
(a.k.a Cara) :)

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> . . . as a harper she definitely gets high marx !!

Sol... such cheek!  Enough to make one grouchy!

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And, lest we forget, there's the admirable Trip to Hex 'em...

This game is insidious--almost as bad as FreeCell.
Sharon
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EFDSS PRESS RELEASE



Press Release Starts
................................

Welcome to the new, semi-regular press release and information pack about
the activities and actions of the English Folk Dance and Song Society.

We have had a good summer season - things were quiet at Cecil Sharp House,
our Headquarters in London, but only because most of the staff were off
touring around the festivals and making sure that EFDSS was represented in
sessions, information meetings and concert venues.  There was certainly a
point during Sidmouth Folk Festival when it seemed that staff at the "EFDSS
Discussion" must certainly have outnumbered those left behind to valiantly
man the phones in London.

It was nice to get out and see people making music in the pubs, clubs,
streets and seafronts - it convinced us that championing the campaign for an
end to the "Two in a Bar" rule was absolutely the right thing for EFDSS to
be doing.  July 19th had seen a Day of Action for EFDSS, supported by the
Musicians union and the Campaign for Live Music.  The 40 or so musicians and
stewards who took part (silently of course - we didn't want to break the
law!) garnered a great deal of publicity, including a large amount of
editorial and news space in the Times (amongst lots of other media
attention) which made everyone involved very happy.  It was simply the first
shot in the battle, and there is a lot more campaigning and public awareness
work to be done before some sanity is restored to the legislation, and
singing "Auld Lang Syne" in groups of 3 or more on New Year's Eve is no
longer illegal.

Upcoming events at Cecil Sharp House include an evening with Bob Copper on
9th November.  At 7.30pm, Bob will be giving a talk on his memories of
collecting in the 1950s.  His lecture is entitled "Songs and Southern
Breezes" and is guaranteed to be wonderful.  If you are interested (and who
wouldn't be?), then contact the Vaughan Williams Memorial Library (0207 485
2206 Ext. 18 or 19) as soon as possible - tickets (£3.50) are limited and
going quickly.

It is the EFDSS AGM on the 10th of November and there will be lots of other
fun stuff happening at the House too - why not make a weekend of it?  We
will have the English Country Dance Band, Jane and Amanda Threlfall, the
National Youth Folklore Troupe of England and a lecture by Derek Schofield
on Playford and the development of the English Ceilidh.  It is all free to
EFDSS members, or the ridiculously small sum of £5 for non-members.  Contact
Nicola Elwell on 0207 485 2206 Ext. 12 for details.

A new EFDSS publication is planned for release shortly - "Room, Room, Ladies
and Gentlemen: an introduction to the English Mumming Play" by Eddie Cass
and Steve Roud, edited by Malcolm Taylor.  The editing and proofing process
is over, and hopefully we can send it to printers quickly.  What better way
to spend New Year's Day than Mumming with your friends and family?  Watch
the press for more details on price and availability.

For those who periodically ask about the "library move" we are happy to
report that there is solid and ongoing progress.  The planning process is
well underway, and we should be in a position to apply for planning
permissions within the next three months or so.  All this planning work is
also accompanied by a flurry of grant applications from our new Funding
Officer, Mark Gibbens.  The library, according to current plans, will be
rested on the lower ground floor here at CSH, and will provide a larger and
more comfortable study area, along with more capacious and secure storage
and better conditions for our more rare material.  All in all, it should be
a much more pleasant and roomy space to use, with better access to all the
material.

Root Source is the online folk Database, which takes the place of the old
EFDSS Folk Directory.  Increasing amounts of information are going live, but
we are aware that we cannot cover people/organisations/events, which have
not contacted us.  There is a form on the website (www.rootsource.co.uk) to
submit your details, and please feel free to correct anything about your own
entry which you may not like in the same manner.  The database is not as
fully featured as we might have liked, but staff time and resources are
always going to limit a publicly free resource like this.  Please recommend
it to people and tell us how to make your information clearer.  We are
aiming to make this the best free folk resource out there - help us to do
it.

EFDSS has a new and very active National Council, who has been working this
past year on strategy to take the society into the future.  When the Society
centralised it's operations, the ability to organise countrywide activities
passed to the old districts, and it has been necessary to look at the role
of the Society in the folk tradition and social context of today.  A
strategic plan has been formed, which is entirely too long to included in
any form here, but the term "advocacy" is much in evidence.  The Society
will be acting as a national advocate for folk song, dance, tradition etc.
This means that we will carry on organising campaigns for various issues,
raise the profile of the society and promote folk to those who don't know
about us yet.  Let us know about you, your organisation and/or event, and
let's see what we can do together to put English traditions back into the
hearts and minds of the people of England.

Until next time,

Annie Walker
Assistant Librarian and Web Person.

.................................
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English Folk Dance and Song Society:  http://www.efdss.org

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As everyone knows (right?) Daylight Savings Time, at least on the
east coast of the U.S., ends tomorrow evening.  Which means it's time
to spend all that daylight you've been saving up over the summer.

Which brings me to the point that NOMAD which also happens to take
place this weekend, is starting out both Saturday and Sunday with
experienced English dances. Saturday morning at 10:00 a.m. Robin
Hayden will be calling a session of "Dance with Your Wits."  Sunday
morning at 11:00 a.m. Gary Roodman will call some "Calculated English
Dancing."  So you will not want to be late for NOMAD this year! Or
early - remember to reset your watches before you go to bed Saturday
night.

The rest of the NOMAD schedule can be viewed by going to 
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/8797/satgrid2.html

What better way to spend your saved daylight!

Barbara Ruth

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  For the benefit of us Yanks, could someone explain what the "Two in a
Bar" rule is?

--Mary Railing

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Mary Railing wrote:
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>   For the benefit of us Yanks, could someone explain what the "Two in a Bar" rule is?

I wondered, too, Mary, & queried Annie privately, but apparently didn't
catch her before she left for the weekend.  Perhaps she'll fill in more
details on Monday

I just went to EFDSS' web site & found the following.  It seems as
though bars would need to get annual entertainment licenses if more than
two musicians play--must be enough cost/hassle involved with the
licenses that the bars won't bother, so musicians won't have places to play.

--Deb Karl
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Live Music SOS - Day of Action

If you want live music venues to survive, live music needs you - on
Thursday 19th July!

The Government's proposals for licensing reform are not guaranteed to
end the absurd treatment that many local gigs receive at the hands of
local authorities.

The Home Office estimates that only 5% of licensed premises currently
hold annual public entertainment licenses. In effect, this means that a
performance by three or more musicians would be a criminal offence for
the proprietor in 95% of the UK's recreational premises.

This ludicrous situation is under-reported in the national press - but
that could be changed. What are you doing on the afternoon of Thursday
July 19th? Would you be interested in participating in an event to
celebrate live music, and to draw media attention to the bizarre
"two-in-a-bar rule"?

The message to the Government will be that future licensing legislation
must recognise the value of live music for the whole community.
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On Fri, 26 Oct 2001, Mary Railing wrote:

>   For the benefit of us Yanks, could someone explain what the "Two in a
> Bar" rule is?

It's a bizarre UK law which prevents most bars from having more than two
live musicians performing at the same time.  Bands bigger than two require
a special license which is apparently a tad difficult and expensive to
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I think legally pubs can book two artists to perform, but not three in a
band! without a licence.
Alan C
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  For the benefit of us Yanks, could someone explain what the "Two in a
Bar" rule is?

--Mary Railing



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Dear Friends,
 Those of you within driving distance of Boston might be interested in our
Halloween dance party which will be held at the Park Avenue Church on
Halloween. (Driving directions at
http://www.cds-Boston.org/directions.html)

Brad Foster is organizing it, and Ive asked him to program dances with
spooky tunes and harvest overtones.

Since this Wednesday falls on Halloween, we encourage the wearing of
costumes.  Sometimes our dance form allows us to carry personas and assume
archetypes which are larger than life.  Costumes can help.  If you see me
next Wednesday, heres a clue to who I am.

"Call me by my name and be a friend to me,
And a warm spring and early, Ill send to thee!"

I hope I see many of you there.

Best,
Terry



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Hi all,

Thanks to everyone who came up with wonderful suggestions for our new 
caller who sings so beautifully.  You came up with a wealth of material and 
we'll try to use much of it.

Victoria



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One last word (oh, sure) on dances with songs:

At BACDS Fall Weekend Bruce taught "The Bonny Grey-Eyed Morn", which Gary 
Breitbard told me was a tune (maybe song?) in the Beggars Opera (dance by 
Nathaniel Kyneston).  

Mary

On 10/17/01 1:52 PM ECD Nic B (Scotland) said:

>
>As far as The Beggar's Opera is concerned, the OUP edition edited by Jeremy 
>Barlow contains nine pages of tune sources, and I believe from what Jeremy 
>was telling me recently that about 47 of the tunes have dances to them! 
>However, beware!!! These vital pages are only included in the hard covered 
>edition, and are NOT in the paperback version.
>                                                Nicolas B., Lanark, Scotland.
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Anyone heard of a dance for 2 couples, to a schottische, involving
step-hopping & arches & so on, called "Boscastle?"  I came across it in a
collection of folk dances ca 1910 & am wondering if the writer may have
devised it herself.

Allison
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Hello everyone,

This is slightly off topic, and I apologize, but I thought someone on this list might have an answer to my question.

Can anyone tell me what the idiom, "the hard shoulder" means?

Thanks SO much!!

Best,

Dorothy Olsson


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Dorothy Olsson writes:

> This is slightly off topic, and I apologize, but I thought someone on this
> list might have an answer to my question.

> Can anyone tell me what the idiom, "the hard shoulder" means?

More context might be helpful here.  If none of my guesses below apply,
please write back and give an example of the use that puzzles you.

In the US, you see a road sign "soft shoulder" which means that the part of 
the road you'd pull your car off on if you had problems may not be paved;
"hard shoulder" would be paved.

On the other hand, in dance we've got "the easy foot" and "the hard foot",
where "hard" means difficult; you might say "the hard shoulder" in opposition
to "the easy shoulder" when talking about which way to turn on a turn single.

(For example, right hands across into a turn single, the easy shoulder is 
left shoulder, the hard shoulder is right shoulder.)

I have now typed the word "shoulder" enough times that it's starting to 
look misspelled.

-- Alan

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>Anyone heard of a dance for 2 couples, to a schottische, involving
>step-hopping & arches & so on, called "Boscastle?"  I came across it in a
>collection of folk dances ca 1910 & am wondering if the writer may have
>devised it herself.
>
>Allison

I haven't heard of the dance, but Boscastle is a small town or large
village in northern Cornwall, and it was one of the places where the BBC
went to record "country dance music" in the 1920s or 30s.  (There is a
long-deleted Topic recording called "The Boscastle Breakdown" which has
some of the BBC recordings on it; I don't recall if it includes a
schottische).
  From your description of the dance, I'd say it was "traditional"--i.e.
probably a schottishe danced in Boscastle at these social dances.  Couple
dances were popular at these venues, and the step-hopping and arches are
common in  such traditional country dances.
  best
Allen Dodson


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Dorothy


> Alan Winston is right  - in Britain the 'Hard Shoulder' is the paved strip 
> on the side of Motorways - our biggest roads - some of them have four lanes 
> each way !  - This is not the same as the 'pavement'  (what you call the 
> sidewalk) - pedestrians  are not allowed on Motorways. Also pavements are 
> raised above the actual road surface, whereas the hard shoulder is at the 
> same level, separated only by cats-eyes from the rest of the road surface.
> 
> We are only supposed to drive or stop on the hard shoulder in an emergency. 
> This is recognised as a very dangerous place to be - an analysis of broken 
> down vehicles struck by other vehicles when 'safely' stopped on the hard 
> shoulder showed an average time to impact after stopping of only ten 
> minutes!

It is tempting to suggest alternative meanings for the expression - certainly 
'giving someone the cold shoulder'  means deliberately snubbing them - but I 
can't find any references to 'hard shoulder' in a similar vein in my 
dictionaries

Sorry I can't help further than this - but if you need a shoulder to cry 
on.....

Tim Brooks

Abbots Langley
Hertfordshire
England




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<BR>We are only supposed to drive or stop on the hard shoulder in an emergency. This is recognised as a very dangerous place to be - an analysis of broken down vehicles struck by other vehicles when 'safely' stopped on the hard shoulder showed an average time to impact after stopping of only ten minutes!</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BR>It is tempting to suggest alternative meanings for the expression - certainly 'giving someone the cold shoulder' &nbsp;means deliberately snubbing them - but I can't find any references to 'hard shoulder' in a similar vein in my dictionaries
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<BR>Sorry I can't help further than this - but if you need a shoulder to cry on.....
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Greetings, all!

I apologize in advance for the limited interest this message will have to
most of you.  I have been approached to do a calling job in the York, PA
area on December 1 and am unable to do it.  The event involves teaching
Colonial era dancing to a bunch of novices.  I am having a hard time
thinking of who to recommend as an alternative caller, because most of the
people I know around my region who would be qualified to do an event like
this one will be at the Philadelphia Playford Ball.

If you:  1) have any experience with Colonial dancing; 2) have experience
with teaching large groups of beginners; 3) are not going to the
Philadelphia Playford Ball or could be tempted away from the ball by money;
and 4) live within a 4 hour drive of York, PA, or if you know someone who is
all of those things, then please e-mail me privately or call me to let me
know of your interest.

Sue 'Unable to be in two places at once' Dupre
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Don't you mean "cold shoulder"????


Allison



On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 12:55:45 -0700 (PDT) Alan Winston - SSRL Central
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> Dorothy Olsson writes:
> 
> > This is slightly off topic, and I apologize, but I thought someone 
> on this
> > list might have an answer to my question.
> 
> > Can anyone tell me what the idiom, "the hard shoulder" means?
> 
> More context might be helpful here.  If none of my guesses below 
> apply,
> please write back and give an example of the use that puzzles you.
> 
> In the US, you see a road sign "soft shoulder" which means that the 
> part of 
> the road you'd pull your car off on if you had problems may not be 
> paved;
> "hard shoulder" would be paved.
> 
> On the other hand, in dance we've got "the easy foot" and "the hard 
> foot",
> where "hard" means difficult; you might say "the hard shoulder" in 
> opposition
> to "the easy shoulder" when talking about which way to turn on a 
> turn single.
> 
> (For example, right hands across into a turn single, the easy 
> shoulder is 
> left shoulder, the hard shoulder is right shoulder.)
> 
> I have now typed the word "shoulder" enough times that it's starting 
> to 
> look misspelled.
> 
> -- Alan
> 
>
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