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This is spot-on, in my view:                                                 
                                                                 
http://www.cato.org/dailys/10-01-01.html                                     
                                                                Michael 
Serafin                                                       Chicopee,MA.

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That sounds like it must be something other than Michael Johnson's tune
"Spoon River" from the Spoon River Anthology... which is a lovely slow
waltz: 
"All of the riverboat gamblers are losing their shirts
 and all of the brave Union soldier-boys sleep in the dirt
 you know and I know there never was reason to hurt
 since all of our lives are entwined to begin with,
 here in Spoon River..."
which is somewhere in sourthern Illinois near Ohio, I b'lieve.
Claudia Scmidt has recorded it...

Is there a source for the tune your thinking of, Paul?

love,
Ruth

Paul Stamler wrote:
>  
> Meanwhile, has anyone ever composed a dance to "Spoon River"? Lovely tune.
> AABB. Collected somewhere in the USA but sounds English, but also sounds
> very much like the "United States March" fife-and-drum tune we played during
> the 1776-1783 unpleasantness. Percy Grainger made a nice orchestral setting.
> 
> Peace,
> Paul
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<<That sounds like it must be something other than Michael Johnson's tune
"Spoon River" from the Spoon River Anthology... which is a lovely slow
waltz:
"All of the riverboat gamblers are losing their shirts
 and all of the brave Union soldier-boys sleep in the dirt
 you know and I know there never was reason to hurt
 since all of our lives are entwined to begin with,
 here in Spoon River..."
which is somewhere in sourthern Illinois near Ohio, I b'lieve.
Claudia Scmidt has recorded it...>>

A lovely song; my occasional performing partner Nancy Liebl sings it.

<<Is there a source for the tune your thinking of, Paul?>>

The only one I know of under the title "Spoon River" is the Percy Grainger
setting, available on various discs of his works; I believe it's been
recorded both in its orchestral form (by the Bournemouth Symphonietta, on
Chandos) and as a piano reduction. As "United States March", it was found in
a book of Revolutionary War fife-and-drum tunes that some friends of mine
bought at the Battle Ground (IN) festival about 25 years ago, but I don't
know what the book was called. Learned the tune from a tape by that band.
Sorry to be so vague; tunes move around that way sometimes.

Peace,
Paul



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On Mon, 1 Oct 2001, Michael Serafin wrote:

> This is spot-on, in my view:                                                 
>                                                                  
> http://www.cato.org/dailys/10-01-01.html                                     

Well, in my view, it's just exactly what I would have expected from the
Cato Institute.  I think THIS is spot-on, myself:

  http://www.ucomics.com/boondocks/viewbo.cfm?uc_fn=1&uc_full_date=20010928&uc_daction=X&uc_comic=bo

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As one of the many on this list who have sat patiently
through many off-topic discussions over the past
month, let me ask the question that perhaps our
esteemed moderator should be asking:  Do we *really*
want to head down this trail?

Unless I missed something, there is no predictive
political viewpoint that can be associated with lovers
of English Country Dance.  Hawks and Doves,
Republicans and Democrats all have representatives in
the genre.  To assume that everybody is of like mind
on matters political is, to my way of thinking, pure
folly.  Heck, we can't even agree on topics related to
English Dance.

To wander off topic and into the quagmire of political
debate seems to me to be fraught with problems.

Now if we all decide to play hardball, then I can
pitch with the best of 'em. 

But I really don't think that's what we're here for.

McDjr

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Well said, William. -- C

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As one of the many on this list who have sat patiently
through many off-topic discussions over the past
month, let me ask the question that perhaps our
esteemed moderator should be asking:  Do we *really*
want to head down this trail?

Unless I missed something, there is no predictive
political viewpoint that can be associated with lovers
of English Country Dance.  Hawks and Doves,
Republicans and Democrats all have representatives in
the genre.  To assume that everybody is of like mind
on matters political is, to my way of thinking, pure
folly.  Heck, we can't even agree on topics related to
English Dance.

To wander off topic and into the quagmire of political
debate seems to me to be fraught with problems.

Now if we all decide to play hardball, then I can
pitch with the best of 'em. 

But I really don't think that's what we're here for.

McDjr

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Let's dance together.
And sing together.
And play music together.
Rejoice together when we're glad.
Grieve together when we need to.

_That's_ what the list is for.
_That's_ what holds us together.

Thanks for your post, William.

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At the risk of seeming arch, let me remind us all of one of the stories
that surround the beginnings of the Trojan war. At the wedding of Peleus
and Thetis, Eris, the spirit of Strife, threw into the middle of the
assembly of gods the infamous apple on which appeared the words *For the
Fairest*--leading by direct stages to the Judgement of Paris, the abduction
of Helen, and the Trojan conflict itself.
But long before blood was shed, Strife had turned the gods against each
other.

We have been brought together by a common interest in English Country
Dance. I don't doubt that many or even all of us could find further common
interests. Do we also differ? Yes: without a doubt. And this has long been
true--ECD has been danced by Torys and Whigs, by pro-American-Independence
activists, and their political adversaries--and so on.

It is perfectly natural for us to be open, at such a time, about our
griefs, our anxieties, our hopes, and our intentions. But let us also
remember that the mere prospect of war brings discord--not the malefactors,
not our administration, not our allies, not our policies or anyone
else's--war *itself* does this. Let us remain united by our *common*
interests--and steer as near as can be to *those* interests--and not permit
strife to separate us from dance--or from each other.

Graham Christian
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The following appeared on the Morris Dance Discussion List the
other day. I offered to repost it here, and the author has taken
me up on it. Following the post is a paragraph from his note to me
that I think ought to go with it. I will forward all responses.

  ______      /\/\/\/\
 <______>     | | | | |  David Barnert
 <______>     | | | | |  <davbarnert-AT-
aol.com>
 <______>     | | | | |  Albany, N.Y.
 <______>     \/\/\/\/

Ventilator   Concertina
  Bellows      Bellows
(Vocation)   (Avocation)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Date:    Sat, 29 Sep 2001 10:36:35 -0700
From:    Norman Stanfield <nlstanfield-AT-
HOME.COM>
Subject: Sharp and Country Dance

We know that Sharp was hugely impressed when he saw his first morris dance
in Headington in 1899, and heard his first folksong in Somerset in 1903.

Is there any record or information about his encounter with country dance,
resulting in the collection labeled Part 1 (first published in 1909,
separate from Part 2-6) in his 6-part set of Country Dances? (The other
volumes are descriptions of Playford dances and Running Set dances from
Kentucky.)  One source says he learned (some of?) them from Kimber, another
records the various counties where they were collected.  His encounter seems
to have occurred some time circa 1905.

I don't have ready access to his biography written by Ms. Maud.  Maybe she
tells the story.



Norman Stanfield
School of Music / www.music.ubc.ca
University of British Columbia
Vancouver, B.C., Canada

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Addendum:

I suspect that at the time C# started collecting, the "people" were well
past country dances, and into the latest quadrilles, cotillions, etc., not
to mention polkas, waltzes, and other new-fandangled couple-dances in random
floor patterns.  Of course, there is the ever popular step-dance as well,
which probably best suits the mood and room of most socializing among the
working classes.
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In a message dated 10/1/01 7:00:57 AM,TomRVincent-AT-
yahoo.com writes:

>How about an evening with dances implying a decidedly different form of
>refreshment? ;>
>
<snip>

>Successful Campaign

Alixe Dancer taught this one this past weekend at the Heather and Rose 
weekend in Eugene, and it's a really wonderful dance which deserves to be 
done more.  

Nilos, footsore but smiling
PS I notice nobody made the "Barbarini's Tangerine" joke.  Apparently I can't 
leave you people alone for a minute....
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In a message dated 10/1/01 7:00:57 AM,TomRVincent-AT-
yahoo.com writes:

>How about an evening with dances implying a decidedly different form of
>refreshment? ;>
>
<snip>

>Successful Campaign

Alixe Dancer taught this one this past weekend at the Heather and Rose 
weekend in Eugene, and it's a really wonderful dance which deserves to be 
done more.  

Nilos, footsore but smiling
PS I notice nobody made the "Barbarini's Tangerine" joke.  Apparently I can't 
leave you people alone for a minute....
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--- Tideswell-AT-
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> Nilos, footsore but smiling

I'll bet you don't look to be in as much in pain as the young
guy I saw downtown today wearing a "Finished the Portland
Marathon" T-shirt, which was on Sunday morning. He could barely
walk. I don't remember being that bad off after a whole week of
dancing.

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I enjoyed my annual pilgrimage to the Heritage Festival
close to Philadelphia, PA.  There's always LOTS of English
dancing, and it was good to see many familiar faces, and to
touch base on personal matters as well as those other 
events.  There's also a  round singing session which I always
look forward to putting together, and another rounds 
tradition as well -- stopping by nearby Swarthmore College
Sunday night, for more singing with a delightful bunch of
college students.

There were a number of rounds I put aside for another time.
I didn't have the heart to do the Victorian round, "Mourn for 
the Thousands Slain", and I'll wait a while before I get back
to the wonderful "Bless Them That Curse You".  There *was* 
one that was especially appropriate, a glorious life-affirming 
piece that reminds us how much we need each other.  Long ago 
I changed the original "drink" to "dance"; do it either way,
depending upon the occasion.  Here are the words --

Oh, my friends, the night is long; one more dance, one more song!

There's still time before we part   for one toast   from the heart:

"Here's to life and may it bring   friends to dance with, songs to sing!"

A fine round.  It *is* in the pink book, but if you'd like a copy with
the
music, just send me a SASE at the address below.  


+++++Sol "Roundman"  Weber --- "So many rounds, so little time"
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William McDonald wrote:

> As one of the many on this list who have sat patiently
> through many off-topic discussions over the past
> month, let me ask the question that perhaps our
> esteemed moderator should be asking:  Do we *really*
> want to head down this trail?

> Unless I missed something, there is no predictive
> political viewpoint that can be associated with lovers
> of English Country Dance.  Hawks and Doves,
> Republicans and Democrats all have representatives in
> the genre.  To assume that everybody is of like mind
> on matters political is, to my way of thinking, pure
> folly.  Heck, we can't even agree on topics related to
> English Dance.

> To wander off topic and into the quagmire of political
> debate seems to me to be fraught with problems.

> Now if we all decide to play hardball, then I can
> pitch with the best of 'em.

> But I really don't think that's what we're here for.

I think this is close to exactly right.  

(Minor erratum: William calls me a moderator, which has a technical meaning in
mailing list land of "one who examines  and approves posts before they go
out to the list membership".  This isn't a moderated list, so I'm not a 
moderator.  I'm the list-owner.)

(More difficult: Some political discussion is on-topic.  (Gender balance
and fragrance-freedom come to mind.)

(I also think Graham Christian, in a later post, has good points.)

-- Alan


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But I *still* want to know if May Gadd was --

Oh.....never mind.

Marian Phillips
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>
> At the risk of seeming arch, let me remind us all of one of the stories
> that surround the beginnings of the Trojan war. At the wedding of Peleus
> and Thetis, Eris, the spirit of Strife, threw into the middle of the
> assembly of gods the infamous apple on which appeared the words *For the
> Fairest*--leading by direct stages to the Judgement of Paris, the
abduction
> of Helen, and the Trojan conflict itself.
> But long before blood was shed, Strife had turned the gods against each
> other.
>
> We have been brought together by a common interest in English Country
> Dance. I don't doubt that many or even all of us could find further common
> interests. Do we also differ? Yes: without a doubt. And this has long been
> true--ECD has been danced by Torys and Whigs, by pro-American-Independence
> activists, and their political adversaries--and so on.
>
> It is perfectly natural for us to be open, at such a time, about our
> griefs, our anxieties, our hopes, and our intentions. But let us also
> remember that the mere prospect of war brings discord--not the
malefactors,
> not our administration, not our allies, not our policies or anyone
> else's--war *itself* does this. Let us remain united by our *common*
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Alan wrote:

>(Minor erratum: William calls me a moderator, which
has a technical meaning in mailing list land of "one
who examines  and approves posts before they go out to
the list membership".  This isn't a moderated list, so
I'm not a moderator.  I'm the list-owner.)<

My use of the term, however, was intentional.  I was
referencing the concept of moderator in it's broadest
sense: "One who arbitrates: Mediator.  One who
presides over an assembly, meeting or discussion."

However, as I consult Websters, it turns out there is
another definition that perhaps fits as well: "A
substance used for slowing down a nuclear reaction."
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Paul:

 >Meanwhile, has anyone ever composed a dance to "Spoon River"?
 >Lovely tune. AABB. Collected somewhere in the USA but sounds
 >English, but also sounds very much like the "United States
 >March" fife-and-drum tune we played during the 1776-1783
 >unpleasantness. Percy Grainger made a nice orchestral setting.

Ruth:

 >That sounds like it must be something other than Michael
 >Johnson's tune "Spoon River" from the Spoon River Anthology...
 >which is a lovely slow waltz:
 >"All of the riverboat gamblers are losing their shirts
 > and all of the brave Union soldier-boys sleep in the dirt
 > you know and I know there never was reason to hurt
 > since all of our lives are entwined to begin with,
 > here in Spoon River..."

Paul, again:

 >The only one I know of under the title "Spoon River" is the
 >Percy Grainger setting...

I haven't heard the music to "Spoon River Anthology" in a very
long time, but I grew up virtually glued to my parents' recording
of the Broadway production of the 1960s (Jason Robards, et al.).
None of the above seems familiar to me. The song I remember called
"Spoon River" was indeed in a moderate 3/4, but doesn't seem
waltzy. The refrain ended with the words:

  It haunts me, it hunts me
    Wherever I roam -
  Spoon River, Spoon River
    Is calling me home.

Is this the same song?

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>...The song I remember called
>"Spoon River" was indeed in a moderate 3/4, but doesn't seem
>waltzy. The refrain ended with the words:
>
>  It haunts me, it hunts me
>    Wherever I roam -
>  Spoon River, Spoon River
>    Is calling me home.
>
>Is this the same song?

having sung that one in a production of Spoon River in the 1980s, i would
say "No" with moderate confidence. the lyrics that were quoted earlier
don't scan with the tune for the one that Dave quotes here.

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 >The only one I know of under the title "Spoon River" is the
 >Percy Grainger setting...

<<I haven't heard the music to "Spoon River Anthology" in a very
long time, but I grew up virtually glued to my parents' recording
of the Broadway production of the 1960s (Jason Robards, et al.).
None of the above seems familiar to me. The song I remember called
"Spoon River" was indeed in a moderate 3/4, but doesn't seem
waltzy. The refrain ended with the words:

  It haunts me, it hunts me
    Wherever I roam -
  Spoon River, Spoon River
    Is calling me home.

Is this the same song? >>

Nope. This is a tune, no words that I know of. And it has no connection
(other than taking its name from the same river) that I know of with Edgar
Lee Masters' "Spoon River Anthology" or any of its reworkings, as it was
collected well before he wrote that. Nor with the pop-folk song of the same
name. This was collected, I believe, mid-nineteenth century.

Peace,
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Hi folks:

I've found more about the fiddle tune "Spoon River". But first, let's parse
out what we have:

1) A fiddle tune called "Spoon River". Percy Grainger arranged it for
orchestra, also for piano (single and dual). It's almost identical to
"United States March", from the period of our Revolutionary War. Recordings
of Grainger's piece have been issued on Chandos, Hyperion, Polygram and
Nimbus. Frank Erickson also did a wind-band arrangement of the same tune.

2) A collection of poems by Edgar Lee Masters, "Spoon River Anthology",
published 1916.

3) A musical based on Masters' work. (Which, I hope, had its original cast
recording released on Columbia.)

4) A pop-folk song composed in the 1970s or 1980s, also based on Masters'
work. I think it was by Michael Smith, but may be wrong about that.

5) A river in Illinois that gave its name to all of the above.

Okay. I did a Google search on "spoon river Grainger" and found a link to a
contemporary composer, Paul Cohen, who has re-arranged Grainger's piece for
saxophone ensemble (Grainger had a thing for saxophones). On his site, he
notes:

"Spoon River was known as a 19th century American fiddle tune and was first
heard by Captain Charles H. Robinson at a country dance in Bradford Illinois
in 1857. He sent it on to Edgar Lee Masters, the author of the poem
anthology Spoon River, and Masters in turn passed it along to Grainger. It
was published as the second in Grainger¹s projected series of American
Folk-Music Settings."

So that places the first collection of the fiddle tune (under that name) 49
years before "Spoon River Anthology" was published.

Cohen also posts the first few pages of his arrangement; if you want to
follow the tune, it's carried on the Alto I and either Tenor or Soprano
lines (usually call-and-response, with the call being Alto I).

As I've said, this would make a great tune for a dance, either in its "U.S.
March" or "Spoon River" version or some hybrid (the only real difference is
in the first "call" of the A part). I'd be pleased to send it (via
snail-mail) to anyone interested.

Peace,
Paul

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Congratulations, Bob, that is great news!

I was too shy to say so before, but I'll follow Bob's lead and say 
that I had a daughter, Fiona, born on July 25th.  She's attended one 
English dance so far and was sufficiently soothed by the music to 
stay asleep almost the whole time.


Emma


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>  > announcements, birth announcements connected to community members have such
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>
>Since Alan has given us such a great lead in I feel obliged to
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>of each other and get married in Seattle next year.
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Philippe,

Steve Hunt has some of the books. His e-mail is steve.hunt1-AT-
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I have a friend in New Zealand who would like the dance notation for
Lady Catherine Ogle. Can anybody help, please.

Regards,

Graham Knight

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> Congratulations, Bob, that is great news!

> I was too shy to say so before, but I'll follow Bob's lead and say
> that I had a daughter, Fiona, born on July 25th.  

Many congratulations!


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This is Allen, just lurking here...yes, the song which was quoted earlier
(waltzy, etc.) is indeed by Michael Smith, Chicagoland singer/songwriter.
I believe Claudia Schmidt recorded it on an album 15-20 years ago.  At any
rate, it's not the Grainger music originally discussed, nor is it the song
in the Spoon River production Maryn mentioned!

   best regards
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--- Paul Stamler <pstamler-AT-
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> 1) A fiddle tune called "Spoon River". Percy Grainger arranged
> it for orchestra, also for piano (single and dual). It's
almost
> identical to "United States March", from the period of our
> Revolutionary War.

Which raised a question as to exactly when the first use of the
name "United States" occurred in describing the 13 Colonies that
were revolting against the British.

In the Articles of Confederation, "Agreed to by Congress 15
November 1777 In force after ratification by Maryland, 1 March
1781 " <http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/artconf.htm>
the first article states: 
The Stile of this Confederacy shall be "The United States of
America".
Does anyone know if the name was used at any time before that to
describe the Continental Congress and the Continental Army they
(sort of) financed?

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----- Original Message -----
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<<In the Articles of Confederation, "Agreed to by Congress 15
November 1777 In force after ratification by Maryland, 1 March
1781 " <http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/artconf.htm>
the first article states:
The Stile of this Confederacy shall be "The United States of
America".
Does anyone know if the name was used at any time before that to
describe the Continental Congress and the Continental Army they
(sort of) financed?>>

It's in the Declaration of Independence, twice, plus the phrase "United
States" is in the postscript.

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 >It's in the Declaration of Independence, twice...

With a small u.

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I am preparing a new edition of the book of 20 country dances from the
period 1713 - 1820 with references to Holland in their titles selected,
edited and described by Pat Shaw. This book with its distinctive grey cover
was published by the Dutch Folk Dance Society in 1960 and it and its
reprints are now sold out.

The new edition, in which I am being helped by Marjorie Fennessy and Nicolas
Broadbridge, will present the dance descriptions in a more modern way. The
music will be chorded and facsimiles of the original dance descriptions will
be included. In addition there will be a discography and it is in the
preparation of this last that I ask help from the list. I would like to
include all commercially issued recordings whether they are still available
or not.

1. The Dutch Skipper (no known recording)
2.  Holland’s Ginn  (no known recording)
3.  Zealand  -- The Kenton Ramblers on the LP “The Next Dance is…”
4.  Prince William (i) -- The Assembly Players on the CD “A Walsh Ball” and
?? on the LP “Popular English Country Dances of the 17th and 18th Centuries”
5.  The Nassau -- The Assembly Players on the CD “A Walsh Ball”
6.  Auretti’s Dutch Skipper -- The Canterbury Country Dance Orchestra on LP
title??
7.  La Ballet Hollandoise (no known recording)
8.  The Dutchman -- Steve Hunt on the CD "Good Man of Cambridge" and The
West Kirby Band on the cassette “Not Quite Dutch”
9.  Prince William (ii) (no known recording)
10.  Prince William’s Return  (no known recording)
11a.  Dutch Pins (no known recording)
11b.  Dutch Dollars -- The Assembly Players on the CD “Dance & Danceability”
12.  Helder Point (i)  (no known recording)
13.  Helder’s Point (ii)   (no known recording)
14.  The Texel   (no known recording)
15.  A Trip to the Texel   (no known recording)
16.  Admiral Mitchell’s Waltz or  A Rout in the Texel (no known recording)
17.  The Texel Island   (no known recording)
18.  Walcheren Waltz  (no known recording)
19.  Up with the Orange (Oranje boven)  (no known recording)
20.  Juliana I, III and IV -- The Assembly Players on the CD “Dance &
Danceability” and The Kenton Ramblers on the LP “The Next Dance is… Vol. 2”
       Juliana II (no known recording)

If anyone can provide the text for the question marks and point me in the
direction of any other recordings, I'd be pleased to hear about it.

Antony Heywood
The Netherlands
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<DIV><SPAN class=840424107-03102001><FONT face=Arial>I am preparing a new 
edition of the book of 20 country dances from the period 1713 - 1820 with 
references to Holland in their titles selected, edited and described by Pat 
Shaw. This book with its distinctive grey cover was published by the Dutch Folk 
Dance Society in 1960 and it and its reprints are now sold 
out.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840424107-03102001><FONT face=Arial></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840424107-03102001><FONT face=Arial>The new edition, in which I 
am being helped by Marjorie Fennessy and Nicolas Broadbridge, will present the 
dance descriptions in a more modern way. The music will be chorded and 
facsimiles of the original dance descriptions will be included. In addition 
there will be a discography and it is in the preparation of this last that I ask 
help from the list. I would like to include all commercially issued recordings 
whether they are still available or not.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840424107-03102001><FONT face=Arial></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840424107-03102001><FONT face=Arial>1.&nbsp;The Dutch Skipper 
(no known recording)<BR>2. &nbsp;Holland&#8217;s Ginn&nbsp; (no known recording)<BR>3. 
&nbsp;Zealand&nbsp; -- The Kenton Ramblers on the LP &#8220;The Next Dance is&#8230;&#8221;<BR>4. 
&nbsp;Prince William (i) -- The Assembly Players on the CD &#8220;A Walsh Ball&#8221; and ?? 
on the LP &#8220;Popular English Country Dances of the 17th and 18th Centuries&#8221;<BR>5. 
&nbsp;The Nassau -- The Assembly Players on the CD &#8220;A Walsh Ball&#8221;<BR>6. 
&nbsp;Auretti&#8217;s Dutch Skipper -- The Canterbury Country Dance Orchestra on LP 
title??<BR>7. &nbsp;La Ballet Hollandoise (no known recording)<BR>8. &nbsp;The 
Dutchman -- Steve Hunt on the CD "Good Man of Cambridge" and The West Kirby Band 
on the cassette &#8220;Not Quite Dutch&#8221;<BR>9. &nbsp;Prince William (ii) (no known 
recording)<BR>10. &nbsp;Prince William&#8217;s Return&nbsp; (no known 
recording)<BR>11a. &nbsp;Dutch Pins (no known recording)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840424107-03102001><FONT face=Arial>11b.&nbsp;&nbsp;Dutch 
Dollars -- The Assembly Players on the CD &#8220;Dance &amp; Danceability&#8221;<BR>12. 
&nbsp;Helder Point (i)&nbsp; (no known recording)<BR>13. &nbsp;Helder&#8217;s Point 
(ii)&nbsp;&nbsp; (no known recording)<BR>14. &nbsp;The Texel&nbsp;&nbsp; (no 
known recording)<BR>15. &nbsp;A Trip to the Texel&nbsp;&nbsp; (no known 
recording)<BR>16. &nbsp;Admiral Mitchell&#8217;s Waltz or&nbsp;&nbsp;A Rout in the 
Texel (no known recording)<BR>17. &nbsp;The Texel Island&nbsp;&nbsp; (no known 
recording)<BR>18. &nbsp;Walcheren Waltz&nbsp; (no known recording)<BR>19. 
&nbsp;Up with the Orange (Oranje boven)&nbsp; (no known recording)<BR>20. 
&nbsp;Juliana I, III and IV&nbsp;-- The Assembly Players on the CD &#8220;Dance &amp; 
Danceability&#8221; and The Kenton Ramblers on the LP &#8220;The Next Dance is&#8230; Vol. 
2&#8221;</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840424107-03102001><FONT 
face=Arial>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Juliana II (no known 
recording)<BR></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=840424107-03102001><FONT face=Arial>If anyone can provide the 
text for the question marks and point me in the direction of any other 
recordings, I'd be pleased to hear about it.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=840424107-03102001><FONT face=Arial>Antony 
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<DIV><SPAN class=840424107-03102001><FONT face=Arial>The 
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<DIV><SPAN class=840424107-03102001><FONT face=Arial><A 
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<DIV><SPAN class=840424107-03102001><FONT face=Arial></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
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At 08:44 PM 10/3/01 +0200, you wrote: 
>
> I am preparing a new edition of the book of 20 country dances from the period
> 1713 - 1820 with references to Holland in their titles selected, edited and
> described by Pat Shaw. This book with its distinctive grey cover was
> published by the Dutch Folk Dance Society in 1960 and it and its reprints are
> now sold out.
>  
> The new edition, in which I am being helped by Marjorie Fennessy and Nicolas
> Broadbridge, will present the dance descriptions in a more modern way. The
> music will be chorded and facsimiles of the original dance descriptions will
> be included. In addition there will be a discography and it is in the
> preparation of this last that I ask help from the list. I would like to
> include all commercially issued recordings whether they are still available
> or not.
>  
> 4.  Prince William (i) -- The Assembly Players on the CD A Walsh Ball and ??
> on the LP Popular English Country Dances of the 17th and 18th Centuries


Claremont English Country Dance Band on the LP and reissued cassette tape
Popular English Country Dances of the 17th and 18th Centuries

>
> 6.  Auretti s Dutch Skipper -- The Canterbury Country Dance Orchestra on LP
> title:


Canterbury Country Dance Orchestra, F-72-FW3 
Bare Necessities on Simple Pleasures [CDS Boston Centre English Country Dance
Collection, v.3]

Good luck!
Sharon

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<html>
At 08:44 PM 10/3/01 +0200, you wrote: <br>
<font face="arial"><blockquote type=cite cite>I am preparing a new
edition of the book of 20 country dances from the period 1713 - 1820 with
references to Holland in their titles selected, edited and described by
Pat Shaw. This book with its distinctive grey cover was published by the
Dutch Folk Dance Society in 1960 and it and its reprints are now sold
out.</font><br>
&nbsp;<br>
<font face="arial">The new edition, in which I am being helped by
Marjorie Fennessy and Nicolas Broadbridge, will present the dance
descriptions in a more modern way. The music will be chorded and
facsimiles of the original dance descriptions will be included. In
addition there will be a discography and it is in the preparation of this
last that I ask help from the list. I would like to include all
commercially issued recordings whether they are still available or
not.</font><br>
&nbsp;<br>
<font face="arial">4.&nbsp; Prince William (i) -- The Assembly Players on
the CD A Walsh Ball and ?? on the LP Popular English Country Dances of
the 17th and 18th Centuries</font></blockquote><br>
Claremont English Country Dance Band on the LP and reissued cassette tape
Popular English <font face="arial">Country Dances of the 17th and 18th
Centuries<br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>6.&nbsp; Auretti s Dutch Skipper -- The
Canterbury Country Dance Orchestra on LP title:</font></blockquote><br>
Canterbury Country Dance Orchestra, F-72-FW3 <br>
Bare Necessities on Simple Pleasures [CDS Boston Centre English Country
Dance Collection, v.3]<br>
<br>
<font face="arial">Good luck!<br>
Sharon</font></html>

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Karpeles' biography, though indispensable, is highly partisan and must be
evaluated carefully.  For a more comprehensive, though somewhat
revisionist, history you should also read Georgina Boye's The Imagined
Village; Culture, Ideology and the English Folk Revival, Manchester Univ.
Press, 1993. (ISBN 0-7190-2914-7).  It may also be interesting to check
out the more recent (though not really focused on country dance)
collection of articles on new directions in traditional dance that is
edited by Boyes and titled, Step Change.


Allison Thompson
The Squirrel Hill Press


P.S.  OK, I have to admit, in the interest of complete journalistic
integrity, that I have an essay in Boyes' Step Change collection. But do
read The Imagined Village--it's really important to assist in blowing
away the romantic visions of, and prevalent to, the turn of the last
century.








On Mon, 01 Oct 2001 20:03:00 -0400 (EDT) DavBarnert-AT-
aol.com writes:
> The following appeared on the Morris Dance Discussion List the
> other day. I offered to repost it here, and the author has taken
> me up on it. Following the post is a paragraph from his note to me
> that I think ought to go with it. I will forward all responses.
> 
>   ______      /\/\/\/\
>  <______>     | | | | |  David Barnert
>  <______>     | | | | |  <davbarnert-AT-
aol.com>
>  <______>     | | | | |  Albany, N.Y.
>  <______>     \/\/\/\/
> 
> Ventilator   Concertina
>   Bellows      Bellows
> (Vocation)   (Avocation)
> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> 
> Date:    Sat, 29 Sep 2001 10:36:35 -0700
> From:    Norman Stanfield <nlstanfield-AT-
HOME.COM>
> Subject: Sharp and Country Dance
> 
> We know that Sharp was hugely impressed when he saw his first morris 
> dance
> in Headington in 1899, and heard his first folksong in Somerset in 
> 1903.
> 
> Is there any record or information about his encounter with country 
> dance,
> resulting in the collection labeled Part 1 (first published in 1909,
> separate from Part 2-6) in his 6-part set of Country Dances? (The 
> other
> volumes are descriptions of Playford dances and Running Set dances 
> from
> Kentucky.)  One source says he learned (some of?) them from Kimber, 
> another
> records the various counties where they were collected.  His 
> encounter seems
> to have occurred some time circa 1905.
> 
> I don't have ready access to his biography written by Ms. Maud.  
> Maybe she
> tells the story.
> 
> 
> 
> Norman Stanfield
> School of Music / www.music.ubc.ca
> University of British Columbia
> Vancouver, B.C., Canada
> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> 
> Addendum:
> 
> I suspect that at the time C# started collecting, the "people" were 
> well
> past country dances, and into the latest quadrilles, cotillions, 
> etc., not
> to mention polkas, waltzes, and other new-fandangled couple-dances 
> in random
> floor patterns.  Of course, there is the ever popular step-dance as 
> well,
> which probably best suits the mood and room of most socializing 
> among the
> working classes.

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4.  Prince William (i) -- The Assembly Players on the CD "A Walsh Ball" and
?? on the LP "Popular English Country Dances of the 17th and 18th Centuries"

Possibly the Broadside Band? In any case, the tune is also on The Canterbury
Country Dance Orchestra's first LP, simply called "Canterbury Country Dance
Orchestra" (F & W Records, F-72, no date but from the hair styles I'd guess
1970-72)

6.  Auretti's Dutch Skipper -- The Canterbury Country Dance Orchestra on LP
title??

Same record as above.

Peace,
Paul


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>It's in the Declaration of Independence, twice...

With a small u.

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David Barnert wrote:

>>It's in the Declaration of Independence, twice...

<<With a small u.>>

The first time, yes. According to the transcription in my trusty Information
Please Almanac (1947 and proud of it), the subhead reads:

The unanimous DECLARATION of the thirteen united STATES OF AMERICA.

But the last paragraph of the Declaration proper begins:

WE, therefore, the Representatives of the United States of America, ...

And in the postscript, it says:

Ordered:
    That an authenticated copy of the Declaration of Independency [sic],
with the names of the Members of Congress subscribing the same, be sent to
each of the United States...

So I think the name was already in circulation by then, or possibly was
coined there. In either case, it sounds to me like it was being consciously
used as a name for the new nation-in-formation by the writers of the
Declaration.

Peace,
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Hi folks:

I'm afraid I sent an extra copy of the "Re: United States of America"
post -- one without my actual reply. Hit the send button too soon. Sorry!

Peace,
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Does anyone know of some good sites for contra pics and info?
Warmest Regards,
Aylwen Garden




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http://members.aol.com/hatds/home.htm

Dianna
Houston, TX

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| Does anyone know of some good sites for contra pics and info?
| Warmest Regards,
| Aylwen Garden
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| 
| 
| 
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<<Does anyone know of some good sites for contra pics and info?>>

Try:

http://www.serv.net/~dplummer/contra.html

http://home.aol.com/childgr/index.html

Peace,
Paul

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Allison M Thompson wrote:

> For a more comprehensive, though somewhat revisionist, history you should
> also read Georgina Boye's The Imagined Village; Culture, Ideology and the
> English Folk Revival, Manchester Univ.
> Press, 1993. (ISBN 0-7190-2914-7).

The Imagined Village ... not an easy read, full of sociological lingo, but
well worth the effort.

Philippe Callens



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In a message dated 10/4/01 2:16:43 AM, garden-AT-
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<< Does anyone know of some good sites for contra pics and info?

Warmest Regards,

Aylwen Garden

 >>

Karl's {Karl Senseman] Contra Page: 
http://cn708898-a.harris1.pa.home.com/MyDancePage/

Carl Friedman
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In Bill Bryson's  "Made in America: An Informal History of the English 
Language in the United States" on pages 34 and 35, Mr Bryson states:

        (In Common Sense, Thomas Paine) was the first to refer to "the United 
    States of America." Previously even the boldest patriot had spoken of 
"the    United Colonies."

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In Bill Bryson's  "Made in America: An Informal History of the English 
Language in the United States" on pages 34 and 35, Mr Bryson states:

        (In Common Sense, Thomas Paine) was the first to refer to "the United 
    States of America." Previously even the boldest patriot had spoken of 
"the    United Colonies."

Tom Amesse
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>Does anyone know of some good sites for contra pics and info?
>Warmest Regards,
>Aylwen Garden

Try
   http://tedcrane.com/Photos/Dancers/

Ted has put together a contra (and some English) dance data base.
If you're looking for a specific person, band, or event
you might try
   http://tedcrane.com/DanceDB/

Finally, our local Ithaca dance web page pops up
random photos of English & contras.
   http://tedcrane.com/TCCD/

-Pamela
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<<In Bill Bryson's  "Made in America: An Informal History of the English
Language in the United States" on pages 34 and 35, Mr Bryson states:

        (In Common Sense, Thomas Paine) was the first to refer to "the
United
    States of America." Previously even the boldest patriot had spoken of
"the    United Colonies." >>

Forgive me my ignorance of my own history -- what was the date on Common
Sense?

Peace,
Paul

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To the best of my knowledge, Paine arrived in the colonies in 1774 and Common 
Sense was published in January of 1776.   
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--- Paul Stamler <pstamler-AT-
pobox.com> wrote:
> <<In Bill Bryson's  "Made in America: An Informal History of
> the English Language in the United States" on pages 34 and 35,
> Mr Bryson states:
>         (In Common Sense, Thomas Paine) was the first to refer
> to "the United States of America." Previously even the boldest
> patriot had spoken of "the United Colonies." >>
> 
> Forgive me my ignorance of my own history -- what was the date
> on Common Sense?

This site is a printing of the second publication of Common
Sense with the Introduction dated February 14, 1776:
<http://odur.let.rug.nl/~usa/D/1776-1800/paine/CM/sensexx.htm>
Near the top of page five, Paine still speaks of framing "...a
CONTINENTAL CHARTER or Charter of the United Colonies..." About
midway down page six, he begins to talk of "...the FREE AND
INDEPENDENT STATES OF AMERICA." But, no place in scanning
through these pages do I find the words "the United States of
America."

Maybe that came in a later printing?

To get back to the original cause of my question, does anyone
know the date of the "United States March", which someone has
stated comes from our Revolutionary period? I'm not
contradicting your statement, I'm mearly curious as to when the
term was first used.

Andy

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<DavBarnert-AT-
aol.com> reposted a note from <nlstanfield-AT-
HOME.COM> asking for info
about Sharp's encounter with Country Dance that led to his collection of country
dances published in 1909 as Part I of his series.

I offer here some data from Sharp's MSS, now published on microfilm and also
accessible in typed transcription (Karpeles?) at Harvard University, as follows:

a)  Sharp's earliest records of country dances, dated 12 - 13 April 1907 in Lew
Trenchard, Devonshire, include notes on 5 country dances -  Triumph;  Three
Meet, or Pleasures of the Town;  Nancy's Fancy;  Girl I Left Behind Me;  and
Haste to the Wedding - and names Wm. Ford as musician.  No info is given about
that occasion or the dance teacher/leader involved.
b)  Sharp's next records of country dances, dated 25 June 1909 in Surrey,
include notes on 8 country dances.  The occasion was a dance(?) 'at Mrs.
Garnet's'; the dancers were taught by John Lavercombe.  Note that over 2 years
had passed since Sharp's first records.
c)  Sharp recorded 1 dance on 22 July 1909 and 1 dance on 19 August 1909, each
described to him by a musician.
d)  Sharp recorded 8 country dances on 16 September 1909 in Armscote,
Warwickshire.  The occasion was a dance(?) 'at the house of Mrs. Stanton';  Mr.
Hands was the Master of the Ceremonies.
e)  Sharp recorded 7 country dances on 28 and 29 Dec 1909, but his Part I had
already been published by that time.

There is no indication that anything about Country Dances caught Sharp's eye at
any time.  Two of the major occasions (b and c) were in private homes, but no
notable feature was mentioned.  None of the collected dances seem particularly
striking;  all were fairly simple, with much use of  'down the middle and back'
and 'swing and cast one'.  And Sharp did wait over 2 years after his first
records before he noted his next set of dances.

So, perhaps Sharp collected the Country Dances out of a sense of duty, once he
had seen them, trying to obtain a reasonable selection for his Part I;  and
afterwards spent his efforts on the more interesting 'Playford' dances.  It's
just a thought.

Chris Walker










> I suspect that at the time C# started collecting, the "people" were well
> past country dances, and into the latest quadrilles, cotillions, etc., not
> to mention polkas, waltzes, and other new-fandangled couple-dances in random
> floor patterns.  Of course, there is the ever popular step-dance as well,
> which probably best suits the mood and room of most socializing among the
> working classes.


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That rings true for me Andy.  My vague recollection was that althouh Paine may
have been among the first to use the term "United States," I didn't recall
reading it in "Common Sense."  I would have just chalked it up to my porous
memory if you hadn't looked it up for us.  

Since I had a couple of Paine's pamphlets handy, I checked to see what I could
find.  The earliest use of "United States" I could find was in his
"Dissertation on First Principles of Government," Paris: July, 1795.  You can
read it on line at <http://www.mediapro.net/cdadesign/paine/DoFPoG.html>

Rich Galloway

On Thu, 04 October 2001, Andrew Peterson wrote:

> This site is a printing of the second publication of 
> Common Sense with the Introduction dated February 14, 
> 1776:
> <http://odur.let.rug.nl/~usa/D/1776-1800/paine/CM/sensexx.htm>
> Near the top of page five, Paine still speaks of 
> framing "...a CONTINENTAL CHARTER or Charter of the 
> United Colonies..." About midway down page six, he 
> begins to talk of "...the FREE AND INDEPENDENT STATES 
> OF AMERICA." But, no place in scanning through these 
> pages do I find the words "the United States of 
> America."
> 
> Maybe that came in a later printing?
> 
> To get back to the original cause of my question, does 
> anyone know the date of the "United States March", 
> which someone has stated comes from our Revolutionary 
> period? I'm not contradicting your statement, I'm 
> mearly curious as to when the term was first used.

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Oops, that says 1795 and I read it as 1775.  Forget what I just said.

On Thu, 04 October 2001, Rich Galloway wrote:

> The earliest use of "United States" I could find was in his "Dissertation on First Principles of Government," Paris: July, 1795.  

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Folks,

Here's a last reminder about the Apple Tree Morris' day of dance, this Saturday, October 6, 2001, at the Northern California Renaissance Faire at Nut Tree in Vacaville, California.  It's sure to be a great event, with 85 individual folks signed up already, plus teams on their own roster.  If you're interested and haven't contacted 

There's a web page with the latest info (as of 10/03/01) on schedule, how to sign up, things to bring, stuff to do, and how to get there.  We've included links to stuff about the Faire, the ale, related events, general nonsense, and even a service to send you a personal email when the web page changes.

   http://timelord01.home.sprynet.com/renfaire_morris.htm

We're looking forward to making this as big and as fun an event as possible.  Feel free to sign up as a team or as an individual.  Squires - please pass this info on to your teammates.  Everyone else - please check out the web page and pass this notice on to anyone who might be interested.

Thanx very much.

Ric Goldman
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On behalf of Greg Hamburg, Apple Tree Morris
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P.S.  Apologies in advance for any list duplications

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The proposed elimination of carry-on baggage on airplanes that
is set forth in this posting from the Scand e-mail list could
effect every one of us, both musicians and dancers. It would
severely restrict, if not eliminate, the ability of many
musicians to travel with their instruments. Granted there is
cause for concern about the wrong items being brought onto
airplanes, but this would just be another useless band-aid,
instead of actually solving the problems.

> To: scand-AT-
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> From: Bruce Sagan <sagan-AT-
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> Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 12:33:45 -0400
> Subject: SCAND: airline carryon legislation
> 
> 
> While the fowarded message below isn't specifically about
> Scandinavian  music and dance, it might affect many of the
> musicians on this list.
> 
> -Bruce Sagan
> >From: Library [mailto:library-AT-
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> >Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 12:22 PM
> >To: 'MOLA'
> >Subject: for U.S. librarians
> >
> >Dear Colleagues:
> >
> >The American Federation of Musicians is very concerned that
> >the Senate Transportation Committee will pass a ruling to ban
> >all carry-on luggage from domestic flights. This would have a
> >devasting impact on our industry. How would musicians be
able
> >to travel to festivals, to auditions, to vacations, on
tours,
> >anywhere, if forced to put their instruments in the belly
of
> >the plane?
> >
> >The AFM is asking all musicians to contact their senator if
> >applicable (see below for the list) to ask for them to keep
us
> >in mind when considering this legislation. Please call today
> >or tomorrow. The senators need to hear from many musicians,
> >not just a few of us, so please spread the word.
> >
> >Thanks for your help.
> >
> >Mary Plaine
> >Baltimore Symphony Orchestra
> >
> > > The following is a message from Ann Drinan, President of
> > > ROPA, to the ROPA mailing list. I don't need to tell
> > > members of ICSOM orchestras what a devastating blow it
> > > would be to professional musicians and orchestras that
tour
> > > not to be able to take instruments on airplanes. But that
> > > is what is being proposed.
> > >
> > > I urge you to pick up the phone and call your Senator
about 
> > > this, *especially* if your Senator is on the Senate
> > > Transportation Committee. I also urge you to post this at
> > > work and urge your colleagues to do the same. This 
> > > legislation is likely to be voted on by the Senate by the
> > > end of the week, so please don't wait a few> days. We
don't
> > > have a few days.
> > >
> > > Robert Levine
> > > ICSOM Chair
> > > (from Ann Drinan, ROPA President)
> > >
> > > There are currently closed-door negotiations with
> > > interested parties in progress with the Senate
> > > Transportation Committee to amend the Aviation Security
> > > Bill [ S.1447] sponsored by Senator Hollings.
> > > (Go to this website for more information:
> > > <http://thomas.loc.gov>) The AFM has reason to believe
that
> > > a proposal is being negotiated that would eliminate all
> > > carry-on baggage from all commercial flights, which would
> > > have an extremely negative impact on most musicians.
> > >
> > > We are urging all musicians whose Senators are on this
> > > subcommittee (listed below) to call or write the Senate 
> > > office immediately (no e-mails are being accepted) stating
> > > the following:
> > >
> > > 1. You and your orchestra (if you can speak for them) are
> > > very concerned for the safety of airline personnel and are
> > > certainly not opposed to S.1447 but would oppose
> > > legislation that would totally eliminate airline carry-on
> > > baggage for the following reasons:
> > >
> > > A. As professional musicians our instruments must travel
> > > with us on many occasions. Many are antiques, are quite
> > > valuable (most are worth many thousands and some millions
> > > of dollars), are extremely sensitive to climate changes,
> > > and must be stored safely so there is no damage from
> > > turbulence. String instruments in particular are extremely
> > > delicate and cannot withstand the treatment they would
> > > receive from the commercial airlines' baggage-handling
> > > mechanisms.
> > >
> > > B. Many musicians tour for a living, either in small
> > > groups or in large orchestras, and thousands of students
> > > attend summer festivals and travel back and forth to
> > > school. Traveling soloists would not be able to perform
the
> > > rigorous schedules they currently do if their instruments
> > > cannot travel with them. Also, orchestras must fill 
> > > vacancies through auditions, and musicians from around the
> > > country and globally must be allowed to carry their
> > > instruments with them.
> > >
> > > C. We are very sensitive to the loss of life and are
> > > eager to ensure the safety of airline flight attendants
and
> > > pilots, as well as passengers, but the elimination of all
> > > carry-on baggage would be catastrophic to the economic
> > > well-being of our industry. Most orchestras cannot afford
> > > to charter their own planes or hire private jets for their
> > > soloists, and chamber ensembles would be unable to tour.
> > > Commercial travel is the only option for most of us and we
> > > simply must be able to hand-carry our instruments onto the
> > > plane.
> > >
> > > List senators and their states below.
>
> Fritz Hollings (South Carolina)     Charleston Symphony
> 125 Russell Senate Office Building
> Washington, D.C. 20510
> (202)224-6121
>
> John McCain (Arizona)  Arizona Opera, Phoenix Symphony
> 241 Russell Senate Ofc. Bldg.
> United States Senate
> Washington, D.C. 20510
> Phone # (202) 224-2235
> Fax # (202) 228-2862
>
> John Kerry (MA)        Boston Symphony
> 304 Russell Senate Office Bldg
> DC 20510-2102
> 202-224 2742
> fax: 202-224-8525
>
> Rockefeller (W Va) W Va
> 531 Hart Senate Office Building
> Washington, DC  20510
> (202) 224-6472
> (202) 224-7665 (fax)
>
> Kay Bailey Hutchinson (Texas)        Austin, El Paso,
Dallas, 
> 284 Russell Senate Office Building   Richardson Opera,
Dallas
> Washington, DC 20510                 Symphony, Houston
 Symphony
> 202-224-5922
> 
> John Breaux (Louisiana) Shreveport
> (couldn't find it on his website!)
> 
> Conrad Burns (Montana)
> 
> Harry Reid (Nevada)
> 528 Hart Senate Office Building
> Washington, DC 20510
> Phone: 202-224-3542 / Fax: 202-224-7327
>
> Max Cleland (Georgia)  Atlanta Ballet, Atlanta Symphony
> Washington Office
> 461 Senate Dirksen Building
> Washington, DC 20510
> Phone (202) 224-3521
> Fax (202) 224-0072
>
> Gordon Smith (Oregon) Portland Opera, Oregon Symphony
> 404 Russell Senate Office Building
> Washington, DC 20510
>
> John Edwards (No Carolina) Charlotte Symphony
> 225 Dirksen Office Bldg
> Washington, DC 20510
> 202-224-3154
> fax 228-1374
> 225
>
> Bill Nelson (Florida)  Florida Orchestra, Florida Philharmonic
> United States Senate
> Washington, D.C. 20510
> (202) 224-5274
>
> Carnehan (Missouri)               St. Louis Symphony
> Office of Senator Jean Carnahan
> 517 Hart Senate Office Building
> United States Senate
> Washington, DC 20510
> (202) 224-6154
>
> Wellstone (Minnesota)             Minnesota Orchestra, 
> 136 Hart Senate Office Building   St. Paul Chamber Orchestra
> Washington, D.C. 20510-2303
> (202) 224-5641
>
> Ron Wyden (Oregon) Oregon Symphony
> 516 Hart Senate Office Building
> Washington, DC 20510
> (202) 224-5244
>
> Boxer (Calif)                      LACO, LA Opera, Long Beach,
> 112 Hart Senate Office Building    San Jose, Santa Barbara,
CA,
> Washington, D.C. 20510            Santa Rosa, Fresno,
Monterey,
> (202) 224-3553                 Pacific, San Francisco Symphony
>                    San Francisco Ballet, San Francisco Opera,
>                    Los Angeles Philharmonic, San Diego
Symphony
>
> Clinton (NY)                     Hudson Valley, Long Island,
> 476 Russell Senate Office Building 
Rochester,Syracuse,Buffalo, 
> Washington, DC 20510             New York Phil, Metropolitan 
> 202-224-4451                     Opera, NYC BalletOrchestra,
> fax 228-0282                     NYC Opera Orchestra
>
> Barbara Mikulski (MD)  Baltimore Symphony, National Symphony
> Hart Senate Office Building Suite 709
> Washington, D.C. 20510
> (202) 224-4654
>
> Tom Daschle (So Dakota)
> United States Senate
> Washington, DC 20510
> (202) 224-2321
>
> Byron Dorgan (No Dakota)
>
> Daniel Inoue (Hawaii)      Honolulu Symphony
>
> Ted Stevens (Alaska)
>
> Olympia J. Snowe (Maine)
> 154 Russell Senate Office Building
> Washington, DC 20510
> 202-224-5344

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I logged on tonight and found 2 messages supposedly from myself to the
ECD list which I did not send. Please delete and disregard.  I have
absolutely no idea what happened. Apologies!

Stephanie
Bethesda, MD (near Glen Echo, MD where we danced to the calling of Rich
Galloway and Robert Moir (visiting from England) last night)
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In a message dated 4/10/01 3:00:59 pm, system-AT-
PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU 
writes:

>Karpeles' biography, though indispensable, is highly partisan and must
>be
>evaluated carefully.  For a more comprehensive, though somewhat
>revisionist, history you should also read Georgina Boye's The Imagined
>Village; Culture, Ideology and the English Folk Revival, Manchester Univ.
>Press, 1993. (ISBN 0-7190-2914-7).  It may also be interesting to check
>out the more recent (though not really focused on country dance)
>collection of articles on new directions in traditional dance that is
>edited by Boyes and titled, Step Change.

Boyes' writings also need vigilant and careful evaluation - not all her 
sweeping statements and conclusions anent the EFDSS are within the range of 
what might be described as accurate.
                                                        Nicolas B, Lanark, 
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Does anyone have a product recommendation for the cool, Madonna-like
microphone headsets with a belt power-pack that a caller who needs to be
out on the floor can use?

Allison
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In confirmation of a sweeping generalization that I would like to make in
an article on early folk & fancy dance manuals, does anyone today really
do 1) Sweet Kate (country dance) or 2) Bluff King Hal (morris).

I am aware of BKH's dubious history (i.e., invented by D'Arcy Ferris and
represented some years later to Sharp by the Bidford men as one of their
own dances--hailed as a survival--then hastily disclaimed by him when its
tawdry past was revealed).  I'm just wondering if anyone today dances it.

Oddly enough, here in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania, we've danced Sweet Kate
several times, though with reluctant participation from adults (it has
rather silly pantomime movements).

Anyway, I was just wondering what comments, if any, would come out of
this request.

Allison
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Good day all.
As one who has and (until he can afford to buy a new one) uses such a
device, I cannot speak strongly enough against it. 
It is a pain to share it with a guest caller, or lend it to another
caller, and the microphone position is very touchy. If you want to turn
it off, you must find the button on the beltpack, else everyone in the
room will hear your instructions to the band.
A hand-held cordless microphone is IMHO much, much preferable.
Shure manufactures both type, as well as a 'tie-tack' model, which might
even be the best of the bunch.
Giovanni De Amici

Allison M Thompson wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have a product recommendation for the cool, Madonna-like
> microphone headsets with a belt power-pack that a caller who needs to be
> out on the floor can use?
> 
> Allison
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From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing <winston-AT-
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Subject: Re: Apologies
To: ECD-AT-
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Stephanie wrote:

> I logged on tonight and found 2 messages supposedly from myself to the
> ECD list which I did not send. Please delete and disregard.  I have
> absolutely no idea what happened. Apologies!

Those messages arrived at SLAC with executable attachments which were removed
by SLAC's mail gateway before delivery to the ECD list.  The suggestion is that
you might have one of the currently-popular microsoft viruses that send out
email.  (It would have been stripped before it went to the list, so nobody has
to worry about reading your list messages, but you might want to get your 
PC checked out.)

-- Alan


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From: Barbara Ruth <barbararuth-AT-
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Subject: Re: Apple betty
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Carol,
Thanks for the testimonial!  As a public service announcement I want
to point out that one of those cakes will be available as an item at
the True Brit auction this weekend (assuming I'm not too blitzed to
remember to take it out of the freezer and put it in the car
tomorrow).

Barbara

--- MartinezPC-AT-
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  Now if only
> Orly would 
> write a dance called "Apple Betty" so all this scrumptious food
> talk could be 
> on topic..... Once that's composed, how about "Chocolate cake", so
> we can 
> talk about Barbara Ruth's decadent and memorable creation, which
> was one of 
> Pinewoods' many pleasures.
> 
> Carol, getting hungrier by the minute...
> 
> 


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Allison Thompson wrote:

>Does anyone have a product recommendation for the
cool, Madonna-like microphone headsets with a belt
power-pack that a caller who needs to be out on the
floor can use?<

Allison, as a counterpoint to other posts, I
absolutely *love* my Telex Pro-Star UHF wireless set
up.  The groups I teach/call tend to be large (~100)
and often attract new dancers.  I spend quite a bit of
time out on the floor walking through each dance.  I
especially wanted to have my hands-free so that I
could manage dance notes and still be able to gesture
and guide--so the choice was either a lapel mic or
headset.  I opted for the headset precisely because
the microphone *is* very unidirectional (towards the
wearer's mouth), eliminating many of the feedback
problems that other microphones present when out in
front of the speakers.  Certainly a headset microphone
is very personal and not easily shared with other
callers/speakers.  I've solved that problem by having
a second wired microphone available.  If a second
caller is normal in your experience a second wireless
mic might be indicated.

Certainly, your mileage will vary.

McDjr


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Reply-To: ECD-AT-
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Subject: RE: Apologies
To: ECD-AT-
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Alan wrote:
'Those messages arrived at SLAC with executable attachments which were
removed by SLAC's mail gateway before delivery to the ECD list."

You say the attachments were *removed* before delivery to the ECD list?  I
received the two messages from Stephanie, and both of them carried an
attachment. Am I misunderstanding what "remove" means in this context?

Pat

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Subject: Re: re - contra pics?
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Do a search for contradance.  You'll find pictures on just about every site.

Tom Vincent

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Aylwen" <garden-AT-
earthlydelights.com.au>
To: "ECD List" <ECD-AT-
SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 11:26 PM
Subject: re - contra pics?


> Does anyone know of some good sites for contra pics and info?
> Warmest Regards,
> Aylwen Garden
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 19:58:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing <winston-AT-
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Subject: RE: Apologies
To: ECD-AT-
PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
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> Alan wrote:
> 'Those messages arrived at SLAC with executable attachments which were
> removed by SLAC's mail gateway before delivery to the ECD list."

> You say the attachments were *removed* before delivery to the ECD list?  I
> received the two messages from Stephanie, and both of them carried an
> attachment. Am I misunderstanding what "remove" means in this context?

I was being insufficiently explicit.

The executable attachments were stripped out of the message-parts they were
in and replaced with plain text files explaining that this had happened.  So
you got an attachment, but the attachment wasn't the dangerous executable; it
was a note saying that there had formerly been a dangerous executable.

-- Alan

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Subject: RE: Apologies
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Alan wrote:
"The executable attachments were stripped out of the message-parts they were
in and replaced with plain text files explaining that this had happened.  So
you got an attachment, but the attachment wasn't the dangerous executable;
it was a note saying that there had formerly been a dangerous executable."

Ok, and many thanks.

Pat

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Subject: Re: Apologies
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----- Original Message -----
From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing <winston-AT-
SLAC.Stanford.EDU>

<<Those messages arrived at SLAC with executable attachments which were
removed
by SLAC's mail gateway before delivery to the ECD list.  The suggestion is
that
you might have one of the currently-popular microsoft viruses that send out
email.  (It would have been stripped before it went to the list, so nobody
has
to worry about reading your list messages, but you might want to get your
PC checked out.)>>

I dunno -- the messages came to me with attachments, so they might not have
been stripped properly. Needless to say, I deleted without opening, but that
worries me.

Peace,
Paul



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----- Original Message ----- 
From: Andrew Peterson <lyrlsbro-AT-
yahoo.com>

<<To get back to the original cause of my question, does anyone
know the date of the "United States March", which someone has
stated comes from our Revolutionary period? I'm not
contradicting your statement, I'm mearly curious as to when the
term was first used.>>

I've queried my source, and will report back.

Peace,
Paul

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> Allison Thompson wrote:
> 
> >Does anyone have a product recommendation for the
> cool, Madonna-like microphone headsets with a belt
> power-pack that a caller who needs to be out on the
> floor can use?<

--- William McDonald <quinbus-AT-
yahoo.com> wrote:
> Allison, as a counterpoint to other posts, I
> absolutely *love* my Telex Pro-Star UHF wireless set
> up.  The groups I teach/call tend to be large (~100)
> and often attract new dancers.  I spend quite a bit of
> time out on the floor walking through each dance.  I
> especially wanted to have my hands-free so that I
> could manage dance notes and still be able to gesture
> and guide--so the choice was either a lapel mic or
> headset.  I opted for the headset precisely because
> the microphone *is* very unidirectional (towards the
> wearer's mouth), eliminating many of the feedback
> problems that other microphones present when out in
> front of the speakers.  Certainly a headset microphone
> is very personal and not easily shared with other
> callers/speakers.  I've solved that problem by having
> a second wired microphone available.  If a second
> caller is normal in your experience a second wireless
> mic might be indicated.

The Scandinavian group that meets on Monday nights uses one
sometimes during the teaching period. It depends on who is
teaching as some like it better than others do. I can find out
more information for you as to brand and such if you's like.

Andy

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Subject: Re: Microphone-Headset
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giovanni de amici wrote:

> Good day all.
> As one who has and (until he can afford to buy a new one) uses such a
> device, I cannot speak strongly enough against it.
> It is a pain to share it with a guest caller, or lend it to another
> caller, and the microphone position is very touchy. If you want to turn
> it off, you must find the button on the beltpack, else everyone in the
> room will hear your instructions to the band.
> A hand-held cordless microphone is IMHO much, much preferable.

I absolutely agree. It is even worse when one wears glasses (as I do). These
things drive me crazy.

Philippe Callens

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Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 09:07:33 +0200
From: Philippe Callens <Philippe.Callens-AT-
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Reply-To: ECD-AT-
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Subject: Re: Lady Catherine Ogle
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Graham,

It is in the supplement of DM I:7 (1687) - no dance, only a tune. Gary
Roodman has written a new dance to it.

Philippe Callens

Graham Knight wrote:

> I have a friend in New Zealand who would like the dance notation for
> Lady Catherine Ogle. Can anybody help, please.
>
> Regards,
>
> Graham Knight

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Subject: Re: Holland as seen in the English Country Dance
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Antony,

Prince William staat ook op "More Favorites of the Boston Centre" (Bare
Necessities). Mooie opname! Succes met het project - zeer zeker de
moeite!

Philippe

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Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 08:28:38 -0400
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Subject: Re: Holland as seen in the English Country Dance
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>Antony,
>
>Prince William staat ook op "More Favorites of the Boston Centre" (Bare
>Necessities). Mooie opname! Succes met het project - zeer zeker de
>moeite!
>
>Philippe

Uh.  Translate, please!  And how does one pronouce these interesting words?!
-- 
Emily L. Ferguson
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Beetle cats on the web at:
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From: "Susan R. Lorand" <srl-AT-
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Reply-To: ECD-AT-
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Subject: Re: Holland as seen in the English Country Dance
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On Fri, 5 Oct 2001, Emily L. Ferguson wrote:

> >Antony,
> >
> >Prince William staat ook op "More Favorites of the Boston Centre" (Bare
> >Necessities). Mooie opname! Succes met het project - zeer zeker de
> >moeite!
> >
> >Philippe
> 
> Uh.  Translate, please!  And how does one pronouce these interesting words?!

"prince william is also on 'more favorites of the boston center' (bare
necessities).  beautiful [performance? recording]!  [i wish you] success
with the project - very certainly [with] the [difficulty?]."

philippe can correct/amplify my translation.  it's 23 years since i
actually spoke dutch every day...

tot schrijfs,

susie lorand

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Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 15:38:09 +0200
From: Philippe Callens <Philippe.Callens-AT-
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Subject: Re: Holland as seen in the English Country Dance
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Congratulations to Susie Lorand!
The last sentence should be translated as: - certainly worth the effort!

Philippe in Antwerp
who is preparing for a workshop on the intercultural aspects of ECD

"Susan R. Lorand" wrote:

> On Fri, 5 Oct 2001, Emily L. Ferguson wrote:
>
> > >Antony,
> > >
> > >Prince William staat ook op "More Favorites of the Boston Centre" (Bare
> > >Necessities). Mooie opname! Succes met het project - zeer zeker de
> > >moeite!
> > >
> > >Philippe
> >
> > Uh.  Translate, please!  And how does one pronouce these interesting words?!
>
> "prince william is also on 'more favorites of the boston center' (bare
> necessities).  beautiful [performance? recording]!  [i wish you] success
> with the project - very certainly [with] the [difficulty?]."
>
> philippe can correct/amplify my translation.  it's 23 years since i
> actually spoke dutch every day...
>
> tot schrijfs,
>
> susie lorand

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Hey, guys.  Thanks so much for parsing the dutch.  But I'm still 
curious about how these words sound.  anybody able to figure out how 
to help with that by email!? 
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On Fri, 5 Oct 2001, Emily L. Ferguson wrote:

> Hey, guys.  Thanks so much for parsing the dutch.  But I'm still 
> curious about how these words sound.  anybody able to figure out how 
> to help with that by email!? 

i'm sure it's *theoretically* possible to record a sound file and send it
to you, but it would be a lot easier on the phone. contact me offline if
you can't wait for philippe's next visit to the u.s. (or can't find a
dutch or flemish speaker near you).

dutch pronuciation is really quite straightforward once you get used to
the rules.  since the spelling was standardized sometime in the last
century, it's as phonetic as hungarian (which i hasten to add i can't
speak... yet...).

cheers,

susie lorand

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Our caller uses a Nady system which has proved most effective (when worn
right!) and quite reliable. One caution to anyone looking at a wireless
microphone system: It should be a "diversity" system, which means it uses
two antennas (usually mounted at opposite ends of the receiver box) and
automatically switches to whichever one is picking up the cleanest signal.
This virtually eliminates the phenomenon of "dead spots" in the hall, which
otherwise can be horrendous.

Peace,
Paul

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Hello, folks on the list. I have received permission from Chloe Maher, a crew
member at Pinewoods to post this letter she sent to the Campers'Week list:

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From: Chloe! <Chloe.Maher-AT-
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Sent: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 17:49:23 -0400 (EDT)
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Subject: Re: [CW] (no subject)

Hello Campers' week.  I have been enjoying your e-mails from this list for
the past hour because I haven't checked my e-mail since before campers'
week.  As some of you know' I am studying abroad in Morocco this semester
and all of you e-mails are the first real exposure I've had to American
responses to this tragedy from people who were in America.  I am studying
with a group of Americans here' but we have only limited access to news
in English and that is usually British, not American.  I feel quite
distant from the American reaction right now.  I feel as though I might
come back to a different country.  Morocco is incredibly safe and
wonderful, and in many ways I am glad to be here.  Being Muslim, I feel
comforted here (by the way, you probably know more muslims than you think
you do).  Everyone is wonderful, and although there is quite an anti-Bush
sentiment, there is not much of an anti- American sentiment.  Moroccans in
general admire, immitate, are jealous of, aspire to travel to and are
fascinated by the US.  Moroccans are afraid for their friends and family
in the US because of anti-Arab sentiment there.  My mosque in Philadelphia
had police guarding it for a few days, but there were apparently no
problems there.  One Moroccan intellectual said something yesterday which
really made me think.  He said that Americans have what they have (wealth,
power, material goods, freedom) not just because they are smart and lucky,
but because they have controlled the power and resources of other
countries and are usurping them.  Where does the unbalance come from?
america taking from other countries.  EZverything we have as Americans is
not deserved, and humans sometimes need to be reminded that they are
indeed human.If countries like Morocco are really friends with the US,
they would not turn over "terrorists" on Bush's lists in exchange for
money.  instead they should tell the US the truth about why us policies
are so badly percieved in so much of the world.  If someone tells you that
you are arrogant, you should listen.  He also condemmed the deaths of
innocent americans and foreigners in the sept 11 catastrophy.  This
wouldn't have been his choice of a way to approach the US, but since it
has happened, maybe all americans can take this as a time to reflect on
what they have and why they have it, as well as why so many people in the
world have nothing and think wistfully jealously of the US for so many
things.  This is grossly misquoted (so much that I'm not going to mention
the guy's name), but has some interesting points and certainly made me
think twice.  Not all Moroccans think like this.  Sorry if this is
rambling, some of you probably don't even know who I am even though I've
been to campers'" week seven times.  (4 of those on crew)  It's late
here...  Much love to all of America!!!!!!!!!

Chloe Maryam Maher



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--- "Susan R. Lorand" <srl-AT-
phoenix.Princeton.EDU> wrote:
> dutch pronuciation is really quite straightforward once you
> get used to the rules.  since the spelling was standardized
> sometime in the last century, it's as phonetic as hungarian
> (which i hasten to add i can't speak... yet...).

From what I've heard, Hungarian is the closest language to
Finnish, so once you've learned Hungarian maybe it will only be
a small jump to understanding Finns. Most of the Scandinavians
don't, although I was once told that, at least in the old
Swede-Finn part of the country, the language is just Swedish
with Finnish endings.

Andy
...who has a dance workshop syllabus in Finnish that it would be
good to have a translation of. 

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You can also look at the contradance event on our calendar
www.halswaymanor.co.uk
Regards Alan Corkett


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On Thursday, October 04, 2001 Allison wrote:

> Oddly enough, here in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania, we've danced Sweet Kate
> several times, though with reluctant participation from adults (it has
> rather silly pantomime movements).

I frequently use Sweet Kate in my workshops.  It is one of many dances with
"gestic" features.  It is a great dance to remove the common misconception that
Playford dances are "stuffy".

Michael Barraclough

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Actually, Estonian is closer to Finnish than Hungarian.

Tom Vincent

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> --- "Susan R. Lorand" <srl-AT-
phoenix.Princeton.EDU> wrote:
> > dutch pronuciation is really quite straightforward once you
> > get used to the rules.  since the spelling was standardized
> > sometime in the last century, it's as phonetic as hungarian
> > (which i hasten to add i can't speak... yet...).
>
> From what I've heard, Hungarian is the closest language to
> Finnish, so once you've learned Hungarian maybe it will only be
> a small jump to understanding Finns. Most of the Scandinavians
> don't, although I was once told that, at least in the old
> Swede-Finn part of the country, the language is just Swedish
> with Finnish endings.
>
> Andy
> ...who has a dance workshop syllabus in Finnish that it would be
> good to have a translation of.
>
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