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Folks,

Here's a reminder and new news about Apple Tree Morris' day of dance, October 6, 2001, at the Northern California Renaissance Faire at Nut Tree in Vacaville California.

Now instead of a long email, there's a web page with the latest info on schedule, how to sign up, things to bring, stuff to do, and how to get there.  We've included links to stuff about the Faire, about the event, and stuff general nonsense, and even a service to send you a personal email when the web page changes.

   http://timelord01.home.sprynet.com/renfaire_morris.htm

We're looking forward to making this as big and as fun an event as possible.  Feel free to sign up as a team or as an individual.  Squires - please pass this info on to your teammates.  Everyone else - please check out the web page and pass this notice on to anyone who might be interested.

Thanx very much.

Ric Goldman
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On behalf of Greg Hamburg, Apple Tree Morris
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P.S.  Apologies in advance for any list duplications

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Hi folks:

Is anyone on the list aware of either ECD or contra groups in eastern
Tennessee or northwestern North Carolina? Thanks in advance!

Peace,
Paul

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Dear Paul,
    There is an ECD group in Konoxville, TN. It meets Sundays and
Mondays. Call Jubillee Community Arts (423-522-5851) or Mark Smith
(423-220-5480) for details. Last time I was there, some years ago, the
band was loaded with period instruments; it was great. There's also a
group in Nashville, if you want to go that far west. I don't know
anything about it. You might try the CDSS web site for more information.
    In North Carolina, there's a long standing group at the John C.
Cambell Folk School in Brasstown. Email Bob Dalsemer (bob-AT-
folkschool.com)
for more information and give him my regards. Also there are groups in
Ashville to my knowledge but I haven't danced with them. Again try CDSS
to learn more.

Happy dancing,
Albert

Paul Stamler wrote (in part):

"Is anyone on the list aware of either ECD or contra groups in eastern
Tennessee or northwestern North Carolina? Thanks in advance!"


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Paul

    There is ECD at the Laurel Theatre in Knoxville,Tn. 
Call Karen at to 865-522-5851. This is a fun group and we do performances also. 
Good luck

    dave


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Hi folks:

 

Is anyone on the list aware of either ECD or contra groups in eastern

Tennessee or northwestern North Carolina? Thanks in advance!

 

Peace,

Paul

 




 

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Hi, Folk:

Please can you help me with the titles
of dances which contain the formation

"draw poussette"?

Regards, John

Bedford, Nova Scotia

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> Hi, Folk:

> Please can you help me with the titles
> of dances which contain the formation

> "draw poussette"?

The First Lady
Evergreen
The Road to Ruin

are some.  Why do you ask?

-- Alan



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Heather Towers
A Health to All Honest Men
Braye's Maggot
Cupid Disarm'd

are some others

Brooke

Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote:

> > Hi, Folk:
>
> > Please can you help me with the titles
> > of dances which contain the formation
>
> > "draw poussette"?
>
> The First Lady
> Evergreen
> The Road to Ruin
>
> are some.  Why do you ask?
>
> -- Alan
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John Wood  wrote:

>  Please can you help me with the titles of dances which contain the
formation "draw poussette"?

My database of 4870 dances (and growing) shows up the following as having
got a DRAW POUSSETTE although I haven't cross checked with the original
dance descriptions to see if it's a proper draw poussette or just something
similar (e.g. you sometines come across one couple doing a U-movement while
the other couple does a normal in-and-out poussette). --- Antony Heywood

Vermont Friends

Shepherd's Delight

Gentleman Caller, The

Man was for Woman Made

Juliana 3

Cupid Disarm'd 2

Jerbourg

One is One and all alone

Mr Englefield's New Hornpipe

Wallington Diamond Jubilee

Marli Water Works

Hampstead Heath

Christine, Come Dance with us

Prince William's Return

Hampstead Manor

Road to Ruin, The

Duchess of Grafton

Heather Towers

Jain's Balance

First Lady, The

Captain Macintosh

Sulking Virgin

Jog On

John the Madman

Princess, The

Saucy Sailor 2, The

Spectator Special

Queen Bess's Dame of Honour

Fleur de Lis

Bottle Brush, The

Boys of Wexford, The

JDK's Festival

March Hare, The

Priory Gardens, The

Wingletang Down

Somesuch

Health to All Honest Men, A

Old World and the New, The

Evergreen

To Have and to Hold

Aunt Kit's Reel

Polly's Waltz

Gloup, The

Great Hall, The

Lovelorn

Sleeping in the Attick

Watkin's Ale

Have & To Hold, To

Maggott for Mr Purcell, A

Garden Assembly, The

Bright with Joy



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<P><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff><SPAN class=390374413-07092001>My database of 
4870 dances (and growing) shows up the following as having got a DRAW POUSSETTE 
although I haven't cross checked with the original dance descriptions to see if 
it's a proper draw poussette or just something similar (e.g. you sometines come 
across one couple doing a U-movement while the other couple does a normal 
in-and-out poussette). --- Antony Heywood</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff><SPAN 
class=390374413-07092001></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN 
class=390374413-07092001><FONT face=Arial color=#000000>Vermont 
Friends</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#000000>Shepherd's Delight</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#000000>Gentleman Caller, The</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#000000>Man was for Woman Made</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#000000>Juliana 3</FONT></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#000000>Cupid Disarm'd 2</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#000000>Jerbourg</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#000000>One is One and all alone</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#000000>Mr Englefield's New Hornpipe</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#000000>Wallington Diamond Jubilee</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#000000>Marli Water Works</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#000000>Hampstead Heath</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#000000>Christine, Come Dance with us</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#000000>Prince William's Return</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#000000>Hampstead Manor</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#000000>Road to Ruin, The</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#000000>Duchess of Grafton</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#000000>Heather Towers</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#000000>Jain's Balance</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#000000>First Lady, The</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#000000>Captain Macintosh</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#000000>Sulking Virgin</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#000000>Jog On</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#000000>John the Madman</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#000000>Princess, The</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#000000>Saucy Sailor 2, The</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#000000>Spectator Special</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#000000>Queen Bess's Dame of Honour</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#000000>Fleur de Lis</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#000000>Bottle Brush, The</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#000000>Boys of Wexford, The</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#000000>JDK's Festival</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#000000>March Hare, The</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#000000>Priory Gardens, The</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#000000>Wingletang Down</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#000000>Somesuch</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#000000>Health to All Honest Men, A</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#000000>Old World and the New, The</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#000000>Evergreen</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#000000>To Have and to Hold</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#000000>Aunt Kit's Reel</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#000000>Polly's Waltz</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#000000>Gloup, The</FONT></P>
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<P><FONT face=Arial color=#000000>Maggott for Mr Purcell, A</FONT></P>
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Thank you, Alan:

> Why do you ask?

I spent a week at Pinewoods and came across
"draw poussette" in two dances during the week--
and failed to note down the names of the dances!

The movement intrigued me and I would like
to try it out in my class.

regards, John

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Hi, Antony:

> Please can you help me with the titles of dances which contain the formation"draw poussette"?

I could not ask for anything more!!

Thank you for taking the trouble to reply to my request.

Regards, John

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Not to seem ignorant but......What is a Draw Poussette?
Janet

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>
> > Hi, Folk:
>
> > Please can you help me with the titles
> > of dances which contain the formation
>
> > "draw poussette"?
>
> The First Lady
> Evergreen
> The Road to Ruin
>
> are some.  Why do you ask?
>
> -- Alan
>
>
>
>
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Janet Arnold wrote:

> Not to seem ignorant but......What is a Draw Poussette?

Well, you know how in a regular poussette (as interpreted in modern  ECD; let's
not confused with RSCDS dance or any historical poussette) both people stay
facing the same floor direction all the time, but spend half the time traveling
diagonally forward and half the time traveling diagonally back?  (This has
caused some people to call a half poussette "a back to  back for couples.")

And you know how the floor track of the couple (not the individuals) is
more-or-less a half circle?  (Or in some interpretations, a pointy thing like
/\.)

In a draw poussette, the floor track is pretty much the same as in a regular
poussette, but one partner backs up along the track all the way while the other
goes forward along the track all the way.  (The thinking is that the partner
backing up is drawing the other one along.)  As a result, after half a draw
poussette, the couple has changed sides - gone from proper to improper, or vice
versa.

This turns out to be very handy choreographically, if you've got one couple
proper and one improper and need to get both to be the same; you can specify
that one couple do a half poussette and one do a half draw poussette (as seen
in "The First Lady"), and you get everybody progressed and proper in 
(usually) four satisfying bars of music with everybody moving.

Whole poussettes, regular or vanilla, end up in the same place and same
orientation as they start in, so this choreographic benefit isn't available
for a whole draw poussette - that may be why you don't see many of them.

-- Alan




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thank you.

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> Janet Arnold wrote:
>
> > Not to seem ignorant but......What is a Draw Poussette?
>
> Well, you know how in a regular poussette (as interpreted in modern  ECD;
let's
> not confused with RSCDS dance or any historical poussette) both people
stay
> facing the same floor direction all the time, but spend half the time
traveling
> diagonally forward and half the time traveling diagonally back?  (This has
> caused some people to call a half poussette "a back to  back for
couples.")
>
> And you know how the floor track of the couple (not the individuals) is
> more-or-less a half circle?  (Or in some interpretations, a pointy thing
like
> /\.)
>
> In a draw poussette, the floor track is pretty much the same as in a
regular
> poussette, but one partner backs up along the track all the way while the
other
> goes forward along the track all the way.  (The thinking is that the
partner
> backing up is drawing the other one along.)  As a result, after half a
draw
> poussette, the couple has changed sides - gone from proper to improper, or
vice
> versa.
>
> This turns out to be very handy choreographically, if you've got one
couple
> proper and one improper and need to get both to be the same; you can
specify
> that one couple do a half poussette and one do a half draw poussette (as
seen
> in "The First Lady"), and you get everybody progressed and proper in
> (usually) four satisfying bars of music with everybody moving.
>
> Whole poussettes, regular or vanilla, end up in the same place and same
> orientation as they start in, so this choreographic benefit isn't
available
> for a whole draw poussette - that may be why you don't see many of them.
>
> -- Alan
>
>
>
>
>
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Hi Alan do you happen to have an e-mail address for Ken McFarland who has visited Halsway with groups from America in the past? If so could you let me have it.
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Hi, Alan:

>  Alan do you happen to have an e-mail address for Ken McFarland who has visited Halsway with groups from America in the past? If so could
> you let me have it.

Yes:

Ken McFarland <farlands-AT-
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At 01:10 PM 9/9/01 -0400, you wrote:
>Ken McFarland's e mail
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>farland-AT-
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I believe this actually is Ken's address: I copied it from his last email
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Does anyone out there in the ether have historical source directions
for the travelling direction of pousettes? I find reconstructions
where the first man always starts by pushing, without regard to if he
is in 1st or 2nd place, unsatisfying. My feeling is pousettes should
always start in the same direction, clockwise, irregardless of
anyone's position.

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Dear Laurie,
    In Cuckolds All a Row, which C# timidly renamed Hey Boys, Up Go We,
the explicit directions for the interrupted poussette are:

            "Men put the Co. We. back by both hands, fall even on the Co.
side ... ."

Then, after the first cast back to place,

            "put them back , fall on your owne side, ... ."

(The English Dancing Master, 1651.)
So, in this dance, the traveling direction is clearly clockwise. (Oddly,
Playford has the first cast to the right, the second, to the left. We do
both to the right nowadays, avoiding collisions.)

    In Orleans Baffled (The Dancing Master II, ed. 1, 1710) the
instruction is

            "The first couple cast off and draw Hands, below the third
couple, then cast up again and draw Hands above the second above the
second couple, ..."

Whatever the interpretretation of "draw Hands" (I think W1 puts M1 back
both times), the two poussettes are in opposite senses. Nowadays, we do
both in the clockwise sense, of course.

    In short, I think original sources give no hard and fast rules.
Anyhow, the old country dances are notoriously witty and we might imagine
that their choreographers would ring all the changes on an idea.

Laurie Andres wrote (in part):

> Does anyone out there in the ether have historical source directions
> for the travelling direction of pousettes?

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Laurie Andres <lcandres-AT-
earthlink.net> writes:
>Does anyone out there in the ether have historical source directions
>for the travelling direction of pousettes? I find reconstructions
>where the first man always starts by pushing, without regard to if he
>is in 1st or 2nd place, unsatisfying. My feeling is pousettes should
>always start in the same direction, clockwise, irregardless of
>anyone's position.

In the early 19thc Thomas Wilson's various country dance manuals 
describe two figures, the "Half pousette or draw" and the "Whole
pousette".  

His "half" involves going once counter-clockwise around the 
other couple.  Each couple returns to their own place; this
is not a progressive figure.  The direction of motion is clearly
marked on his diagrams as CCW.

His "whole" is a progressive figure; the couples circle 1.5
times to change places.  Again, they move CCW.  

I took this out of his "Complete System of English Country Dancing"
but his other manuals (published c1805-1825) give the same figures.  I
believe these are different from the MECD interpretations of the
figures, which must give rise to some peculiar reconstructions of
early 19thc dances.

I'm afraid it's not helpful if you want to go clockwise, either.  :)

Susan



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"Albert A. Blank" <fandango-AT-
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>    In Cuckolds All a Row, which C# timidly renamed Hey Boys, Up Go We,
>the explicit directions for the interrupted poussette are:
>
>            "Men put the Co. We. back by both hands, fall even on the
>Co.  side ... ."
>
>Then, after the first cast back to place,
>
>            "put them back , fall on your owne side, ... ."
>
>(The English Dancing Master, 1651.)
>
>So, in this dance, the traveling direction is clearly
>clockwise. (Oddly, Playford has the first cast to the right, the
>second, to the left. We do both to the right nowadays, avoiding
>collisions.)

I can't speak to MECD practice, but there seems to be something
weird about this reconstruction.  I don't think this is an
interrupted poussette in the sense of a full circle.  The
directions (usually aimed at the men) say to "put back" twice,
not to put once and pull once.  I interpret this as first a
clockwise place change then a counter-clockwise place change 
in the same "track" as the first.  We also do the casts 
first to the right and then to the left without any collision
problem; I'm totally at a loss as to how they could both be done 
to the right.

>    In short, I think original sources give no hard and fast rules.
>Anyhow, the old country dances are notoriously witty and we might
>imagine that their choreographers would ring all the changes on an
>idea.

I think it may be more that they hadn't actually standardized
many of the figures yet, but I certainly agree on the results.

Susan
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Sorry, Susan,
     You are right. I was asleep at the switch. So, like the original of
Orleans Baffled, Hey Boys calls for a reversal of the sense between the two
half-poussettes.

    I wonder if the "draw Hands" in the original of Orleans baffled is the
same as the draw in Wilson. Do you have any thoughts on that?

Susan wrote (in part):

> "Albert A. Blank" <fandango-AT-
sprintmail.com> writes:
>
> >    In Cuckolds All a Row, which C# timidly renamed Hey Boys, Up Go We,
> >the explicit directions for the interrupted poussette are:
> >
> >            "Men put the Co. We. back by both hands, fall even on the
> >Co.  side ... ."
> >
> >Then, after the first cast back to place,
> >
> >            "put them back , fall on your owne side, ... ."
> >
> >(The English Dancing Master, 1651.)
> >
> >So, in this dance, the traveling direction is clearly
> >clockwise. (Oddly, Playford has the first cast to the right, the
> >second, to the left. We do both to the right nowadays, avoiding
> >collisions.)
>
> I can't speak to MECD practice, but there seems to be something
> weird about this reconstruction.  I don't think this is an
> interrupted poussette in the sense of a full circle.  The
> directions (usually aimed at the men) say to "put back" twice,
> not to put once and pull once.  I interpret this as first a
> clockwise place change then a counter-clockwise place change
> in the same "track" as the first.  We also do the casts
> first to the right and then to the left without any collision
> problem; I'm totally at a loss as to how they could both be done
> to the right.

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"Albert A. Blank" <fandango-AT-
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>Sorry, Susan,
>     You are right. I was asleep at the switch. So, like the original
>of Orleans Baffled, Hey Boys calls for a reversal of the sense between
>the two half-poussettes.

'sokay.  I'm coming from a very different perspective in that I do
a lot of historic ECD for various periods and almost no MECD.

>    I wonder if the "draw Hands" in the original of Orleans baffled is
>the same as the draw in Wilson. Do you have any thoughts on that?

Looking at the original dance, I'm a little, err, Baffled.  :)  If
we take it to be the same as in Wilson (which it isn't necessarily,
that being 100 years later), then we have

1's cast below 2's
1's and 3's circle each other back to places
1's cast up to top again
1's and 2's circle each other back to places

I'm not sure I see there being enough music for that to happen,
even with three beats to the measure (which suggests to me a
bourree or minuet step in the original).  The original music
looks like a 4-bar A and an 8-bar B, with the directions saying
to repeat A twice and B once.  Logically that would mean
that a cast and a "draw hands" would have to be done in four
measures.  That seems awfully fast for the full circle.  

It's quite possible that either Wilson was confused in his
terminology, he was trying to standardize what wasn't standardized, or
that he was current for his time but not for 100 years earlier.  Given
that and the music, I think I'd vote for the "draw hands" being a
place-change rather than a full circle back to places.  I'm not
sure if I'd go by Wilson's CCW diagrams or the older "put them
back" movement, which would be a bit tricky in a set with all
couples proper.

I'd be happier if I looked at a bunch of other dances of the period to
see how "draw hands" is typically used.  But I don't have time for
that particular research project right now so I'll have to
stay baffled.  :)

Susan






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Following myself up, it's also possible that in 1710 "draw
hands" meant something else entirely.  Terms like allemande
underwent gigantic mutations over the years, maybe "draw"
did too, although no other interpretation suggests itself
to me right off the bat.

Susan
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Susan wrote (IN PART):

> "Albert A. Blank" <fandango-AT-
sprintmail.com> writes:
>
> >    I wonder if the "draw Hands" in the original of Orleans baffled is
> >the same as the draw in Wilson. Do you have any thoughts on that?
>
> Looking at the original dance, I'm a little, err, Baffled.  :)  If
> we take it to be the same as in Wilson (which it isn't necessarily,
> that being 100 years later), then we have
>
> 1's cast below 2's
> 1's and 3's circle each other back to places
> 1's cast up to top again
> 1's and 2's circle each other back to places
>
> I'm not sure I see there being enough music for that to happen,
> even with three beats to the measure (which suggests to me a
> bourree or minuet step in the original).  The original music
> looks like a 4-bar A and an 8-bar B, with the directions saying
> to repeat A twice and B once.  Logically that would mean
> that a cast and a "draw hands" would have to be done in four
> measures.  That seems awfully fast for the full circle.

I agree. That's why I asked. I haven't thought of  any early dances besides
Cuckolds and Orleans that have poussettes but I'll try again when I can
unclutter my mind for other things. Maybe we should pursue this off list
until we have some conclusions.

Albert


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"Albert A. Blank" <fandango-AT-
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>I agree. That's why I asked. I haven't thought of any early dances
>besides Cuckolds and Orleans that have poussettes but I'll try again
>when I can unclutter my mind for other things. Maybe we should pursue
>this off list until we have some conclusions.

I'm happy on list or off.  I've only been on the list a week
or so - are we on-topic?  1700's dance is not a major focus
of mine, and as I said I don't have time for a new research
project, but I do a great deal of pre-1700 and a great deal
of 1800's, which may or may not be useful.

I'd also be careful about lumping together the early stuff; there
are distinct differences between the Really Early Stuff, the
Baroque stuff, the later 18thc/early 19thc stuff, and the
later 19thc stuff.  Cuckolds is in the early bit, Orleans I'd
say well into Baroque, and Wilson into the next group.  We
may have not merely apples and oranges but a whole basket
of fruit here.

Susan


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Susan wrote:

> I'm happy on list or off.  I've only been on the list a week
> or so - are we on-topic?  

You very definitely _are_.  ( As far as I know, there's no other forum where
this would be on-topic - certainly not rendance.)

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I've seen some dances where clockwise is specified and others where
counterclockwise is. Setting aside historic research for a moment (and
certainly for modern dances), my vote for ECD pousettes is for variety
rather than a hard and fast rule about either direction or who
'pushes'/'pulls'...

Brooke Friendly

Laurie Andres wrote:

> Does anyone out there in the ether have historical source directions
> for the travelling direction of pousettes? I find reconstructions
> where the first man always starts by pushing, without regard to if he
> is in 1st or 2nd place, unsatisfying. My feeling is pousettes should
> always start in the same direction, clockwise, irregardless of
> anyone's position.
>
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--- Susan <susan-AT-
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> In the early 19thc Thomas Wilson's various country dance
> manuals describe two figures, the "Half pousette or draw" and
> the "Whole pousette".  
> 
> His "half" involves going once counter-clockwise around the 
> other couple.  Each couple returns to their own place; this
> is not a progressive figure.  The direction of motion is
> clearly marked on his diagrams as CCW.
> 
> His "whole" is a progressive figure; the couples circle 1.5
> times to change places.  Again, they move CCW.  

Possibly evolving in later years into the practice of dancing
(usually waltz or polka) 1.5 times around to progress?

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Andrew Peterson <lyrlsbro-AT-
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>> His "whole" is a progressive figure; the couples circle 1.5
>> times to change places.  Again, they move CCW.
>
>Possibly evolving in later years into the practice of dancing
>(usually waltz or polka) 1.5 times around to progress?

Wilson's gigantic manual of country dances includes several
waltz country dances which uses the precise phrase "waltz
poussette."  So I'd say yes.

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> I've seen some dances where clockwise is specified and others
> where counterclockwise is. Setting aside historic research for
> a moment (and certainly for modern dances), my vote for ECD
> pousettes is for variety rather than a hard and fast rule
about
> either direction or who 'pushes'/'pulls'...

Whatever might be written historically, I would venture that
over the years the pousette in many dances has evolved to move
in the direction which flows best with the other figures.

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Okay, despite not having time, I got really curious.  I took a very
fast run through the Keller database and found all sorts of neat
stuff.  None of it provides any definitive answers, but perhaps some
folks will find it of interest.  There does seem to be some slight
bias towards clockwise poussetting.  And it also is clear that "draw"
can be used to mean other than a poussette.

I'm not going to list all the editions, but for a rough timeline,
edition 1-1 was in 1651; 2-1 in 1710 (roughly contemporary with 1-14;
first and second volumes ran parallel for a few editions).  If you
want more, here's Keller's database page:

http://www.izaak.unh.edu/nhltmd/indexes/dancingmaster/

Note: Keller's database is a great aid for this sort of survey, but it
also has a number of errors, and he tends to lump together very
different figures into one classification - in this case, for example,
he has the men setting the woman into the middle in Jenny Pluck Pears
listed as a poussette.  Since I depended on his coding, this is not
necessarily complete.  And since his facsimiles are more than slightly
blurry, it may have transcription errors on my part along with
assorted typos since I did this very quickly.  I've expanded the
abbreviations as best I can read them, tried to keep the punctuation
correct, and tried to include everything relevant to either "draw" or
"poussette".  My notes marked as "S:" Dances are roughly in order of
appearance by edition.

(And of course, this is only Dancing Master editions, it doesn't
include the multitude of other country dance manuals published over
the 100 years or so after DM ended.)

Enjoy....

Susan



Dancing Master draw/poussette references:


Cuckolds all a Row 1-1-1-18
"men put the contrary women back by both hands, fall even on the
contrary side [...] put them back again, fall on your owne side"

S: two poussette place changes going back and forth on the
same track, first clockwise then counterclockwise.  note the
dance works well for couples facing couples in the original;
when it later turns into a longways set this move becomes a
collision problem, not just in this part but in several others
(siding and arming with your contrary also become a real
challenge when your contrary is diagonally opposite you and
the others are trying to do the same thing simultaneously...)


Jog On My Honey 1-1-1-10
"put her backe on the outside the second woman into the
second place [...]then into the third place on the outside
the third man"

S: This doesn't sound like a poussette in the sense of 
two couples moving - it seems like one couple is weaving
in and out of the others in an "s" shape, first clockwise
then counter-clockwise.  neat figure.


The Country Coll 1-1-1-8
"first man put his woman back, the other going contrary, all
into each other's places"

S: aha, a clockwise poussette, changing places rather than a
full circle.


Argeers 1-1-1-8
"put each others woman backe by both hands, slip to the
right hand, fall down on the contrary side" [...] "slip
betweene each other to your places, put them backward, and
forward by both hands"

S: this is a two-couples-facing dance, so both men can
put their opposites back without colliding.  they're going
clockwise, but unlike in Cuckolds, they don't "unwind"
with another poussette, they do some sort of "slip between".


The Devil's Dream 1-3-1-18
"the first man pull up the second man and the second woman put
back the first woman, then the first woman fall back against the
second man's back [strain] then the first man put back the second
man on the contrary side, and the second woman put back the first
woman on the contrary side and fall back"

S: this is problematic; the men appear to be going CW while he
woman go CCW.  I suspect this is a typo - see "Lady Banbury"
for the same partial figure with the first woman putting back the
second instead of vice versa, which makes the partial figure work.
interesting "pause" in the middle when they end up in a straight
line before continuing on to change places.


Lady Banbury 1-3-1-8
"the first man take the second man by both hands and the first
woman take the second woman by both hands, the first man pull up
the second man, and the first woman put back the second woman, the
first man [clap?] the second man and first woman back to back,
while the first and second woman change places on the outside
of the first woman and second man"

S: clockwise partial poussette?  they get to a straight line
then the first [man] and second woman swap places!


Ginnie Pug 1-3-1-7
"the first man put back his woman and lead down, the second man
pull his woman to him and lead up the [Co? Cu?] lead up and down,
and the second couple lead down and up the first couple"
and
"the first man pull his woman to him into the 
second couple's place, and slip through them into their own places"

S: The first example sounds like the couples move to outside the
set and then lead up and down on the outside.  The facsimile is
terrible, so the full figure is a little unclear.  In the second
example, it really sounds like only the first couple is
moving, i.e., not a poussette.


Simple Simon 1-3-1-10
"the first man put back the second woman and change places with her,
the second man doing as much with the first"

S: this doesn't sound like a poussette, just a very aggressive
two hand turn.


Buff-Coat 1-4-1-18
"the first puts his woman back into the second place, and back again"

S: this sounds like only the first couple moves, and it isn't
clear they move around the second couple - they could go
between them.


Pegasus 1-4-1-7
"first and third men put your women back by both hands, while
the other go contrary back again to your own places [...] all
that again the contrary way" 

S: there's a problem in the dance here; it claims to be a dance
for four couples but the diagram only shows three.  if it's
for four, then the 1's and 2's could poussette while the
3's and 4's poussette.  But it's not clear this is a poussette
rather than just falling back and then moving forward again.
And if the dance is only for three couples as might be implied
by the use of "other" rather than "others" then it can't be a
poussette because the 3's have no one to poussette with.  There
are no other clues in the dance to decide which is wrong, the
diagram or the "for eight".  Unfortunately Keller gives only
one facsimile, so there's no way to know if it's corrected
in other editions (Keller lists it as for eight.)


Mad Moll 1-9, 1-11-1-18
"the first couple take hands and draw into the second couple's
place, the second couple at the same time hands to the first
couple's place, [snip] the second couple does the same, which
brings the first and second couples as they began"

S: this definitely specifies a place change, not a full circle,
but no hint of direction.


Soldier & the Sailor  1-9, 1-11-1-18
"take hands with your partners and draw [slide? aside?] back
to back until you come into your own places again"

S: this sounds like a poussette.  still no clue on direction.


Love for Love 1-9, 1-11-1-18
"the first man put his woman from him and the second man pull his
woman to him and [sett?  unreadable]" 

S: this doesn't actually sound like a poussette; they're working
their way around into a diamond shape later in the dance.  But
if it was a poussette it would be clockwise.


Ormond House 1-11-1-18 
"the first couple takes hands and puts back into the second couple's
place the second couple does the same at the same time" 

S: they can't do the same exactly; if both the men put back the
women, what we have is a collision.  But it doesn't say which
man pulls and which pushes.


Crosbey Square 1-11-1-18
"then they draw the first couple into the second, and the
second into the first's place" 

S: here's what looks like a poussette.  no clue on direction.


Trip to St. John's Court 1-14-1-18
"then the couples being contrary, the first and second couple
draw and change sides into their proper places"

S: here both couples draw and also add in a turn into proper
places; no directional hints.


Brisk & Airy 2-1-2-4
"then they draw the first couple into the second, and the
second into the first couple's places"

S: this is the same dance as Crosbey Square, under a different name.


Barr a Barr 2-1, 2-2
"the first man draw off his partner at the repeat" (after ending
the dance back in first place)

S: again, this is a usage of draw which does not seem to be a
poussette; it sounds like after the first couple does the dance
they stand out - since they don't progress, the other couples
would never get to move up if they didn't.


A Trip to Marrow-Bone 2-1, 2-2, 2-3
"then the first couple being in the second couple's place, take
hands and draw round into their own places"

S: it's not clear from this if the first and second couple are
both doing a poussette; it could also be interpreted as the
first couple is "drawing" while the second just moves down


Goddesses (second version) 1-17, 1-18
"the first and second couple take hands and draw quite thro'
one another, lead thro' at top and turn your partner"

S: drawing through one another does not sound like a poussette at all.


Miller's Jigg 1-17-1-18
"First couple take hands and second couple take hands, then the first
couple change into the second couple's place, and the second couple
into the first place, then back to back with your own and come to your
places"

S: sounds like a poussette, changing places, but no direction
given.


De'il Take the Wars (second version) 1-17, 1-18
"the first man draw his partner into his place with his right hand,
and the second man in the first woman's place with his left hand,
the other two do the same, then the three men being on the women's
side and the women on the men's side [snip] the first woman draw
the men over into their places again."

S: hoo boy!  This doesn't sound like a poussette, it sounds like a
train wreck.  But it does show draw being used as just moving people
around with one hand.


Salley's Fancy 2-3-2-4
"then the first man takes his partner by both hands and draw her
quite round the third couple and round the second couple" (end)

S: this sounds like the first couple is the only one which is
moving.  Note the "quite" round - it's not a place change, it's a
full circle.






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Well done Susan!

Re: Pegasus.  No corrections in later editions.  In the figure in 
question, it appears to me that the 1s and 3s dance toward the women's 
wall with the woman backing up while the 2s dance toward the men's wall 
with the man backing up.  Then, they simply return back to places with 
1st & 3rd men backing up.  Although the Dancing Master calls it a 
longways for eight, I agree that the dance appears to be for 3 couples. 
 E.g., it's a USA dance with a progression at the end of each of the 3 
rounds.  

In most cases, instructions in the Dancing Master are directed 
preferentially to the first couple over other couples and to the man 
over the woman.  If you make that (not necessarily always valid) 
assumption, you can sort out the direction of many of the pousettes you 
list.

Rich Galloway

Susan wrote:

>Okay, despite not having time,
>
I know the feeling.

>Pegasus 1-4-1-7
>"first and third men put your women back by both hands, while
>the other go contrary back again to your own places [...] all
>that again the contrary way" 
>
>S: there's a problem in the dance here; it claims to be a dance
>for four couples but the diagram only shows three.  if it's
>for four, then the 1's and 2's could poussette while the
>3's and 4's poussette.  But it's not clear this is a poussette
>rather than just falling back and then moving forward again.
>And if the dance is only for three couples as might be implied
>by the use of "other" rather than "others" then it can't be a
>poussette because the 3's have no one to poussette with.  There
>are no other clues in the dance to decide which is wrong, the
>diagram or the "for eight".  Unfortunately Keller gives only
>one facsimile, so there's no way to know if it's corrected
>in other editions (Keller lists it as for eight.)
>
>
>Mad Moll 1-9, 1-11-1-18
>"the first couple take hands and draw into the second couple's
>place, the second couple at the same time hands to the first
>couple's place, [snip] the second couple does the same, which
>brings the first and second couples as they began"
>
>S: this definitely specifies a place change, not a full circle,
>but no hint of direction.
>
>
>Soldier & the Sailor  1-9, 1-11-1-18
>"take hands with your partners and draw [slide? aside?] back
>to back until you come into your own places again"
>
>S: this sounds like a poussette.  still no clue on direction.
>
>
>Love for Love 1-9, 1-11-1-18
>"the first man put his woman from him and the second man pull his
>woman to him and [sett?  unreadable]" 
>
>S: this doesn't actually sound like a poussette; they're working
>their way around into a diamond shape later in the dance.  But
>if it was a poussette it would be clockwise.
>
>
>Ormond House 1-11-1-18 
>"the first couple takes hands and puts back into the second couple's
>place the second couple does the same at the same time" 
>
>S: they can't do the same exactly; if both the men put back the
>women, what we have is a collision.  But it doesn't say which
>man pulls and which pushes.
>
>
>Crosbey Square 1-11-1-18
>"then they draw the first couple into the second, and the
>second into the first's place" 
>
>S: here's what looks like a poussette.  no clue on direction.
>
>
>Trip to St. John's Court 1-14-1-18
>"then the couples being contrary, the first and second couple
>draw and change sides into their proper places"
>
>S: here both couples draw and also add in a turn into proper
>places; no directional hints.
>
>
>Brisk & Airy 2-1-2-4
>"then they draw the first couple into the second, and the
>second into the first couple's places"
>
>S: this is the same dance as Crosbey Square, under a different name.
>
>
>Barr a Barr 2-1, 2-2
>"the first man draw off his partner at the repeat" (after ending
>the dance back in first place)
>
>S: again, this is a usage of draw which does not seem to be a
>poussette; it sounds like after the first couple does the dance
>they stand out - since they don't progress, the other couples
>would never get to move up if they didn't.
>
>
>A Trip to Marrow-Bone 2-1, 2-2, 2-3
>"then the first couple being in the second couple's place, take
>hands and draw round into their own places"
>
>S: it's not clear from this if the first and second couple are
>both doing a poussette; it could also be interpreted as the
>first couple is "drawing" while the second just moves down
>
>
>Goddesses (second version) 1-17, 1-18
>"the first and second couple take hands and draw quite thro'
>one another, lead thro' at top and turn your partner"
>
>S: drawing through one another does not sound like a poussette at all.
>
>
>Miller's Jigg 1-17-1-18
>"First couple take hands and second couple take hands, then the first
>couple change into the second couple's place, and the second couple
>into the first place, then back to back with your own and come to your
>places"
>
>S: sounds like a poussette, changing places, but no direction
>given.
>
>
>De'il Take the Wars (second version) 1-17, 1-18
>"the first man draw his partner into his place with his right hand,
>and the second man in the first woman's place with his left hand,
>the other two do the same, then the three men being on the women's
>side and the women on the men's side [snip] the first woman draw
>the men over into their places again."
>
>S: hoo boy!  This doesn't sound like a poussette, it sounds like a
>train wreck.  But it does show draw being used as just moving people
>around with one hand.
>
>
>Salley's Fancy 2-3-2-4
>"then the first man takes his partner by both hands and draw her
>quite round the third couple and round the second couple" (end)
>
>S: this sounds like the first couple is the only one which is
>moving.  Note the "quite" round - it's not a place change, it's a
>full circle.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Thank you for the clarification Alan.

I've been lurking on this list for about 3 years. Like Susan, my
interests involve mostly pre 1700 Playford and similar. Here (Sydney
Australia), English Country Dance is a much diminished adjunct to the
folk/colonial/bush dance scene so this list has, from time to time,
proved to be a great source of hard information about historical dance
practice (having said that, I have to praise the 'Earthly Delights'
workshop held in Canberra last weekend, which was wonderful).

However, the last time I sent a post with a question (funnily enough,
it was about 'Cuckolds'), I got more replies off list than from the
list. That in itself wasn't an issue, I didn't expect to take up a lot
of bandwidth with what was essentially a small historical
interpretative problem from someone lacking the access to the dance
networks and relevant scholarly information possessed by others on the
list. The problem was that I got the impression that my question was
somehow "improper". And then there were the posts about copyright on
dance interpretations which further confused me about what was OK to
discuss and what was not. Frankly, I have been wondering about whether
I should stay subscribed.

So Susan's posts and your replies were a breath of fresh air. I just
thought I'd tell you that. To everyone else, sorry to get on my
soapbox like this, I'll stop now. But I will stay subscribed.

Best wishes

Sue Drain


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> Susan wrote:
> 
> > I'm happy on list or off.  I've only been on the list a week
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> You very definitely _are_.  ( As far as I know, there's no other forum where
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> 
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New-Arrival- to--the-List Susan wrote ....


> I'd also be careful about lumping together the early stuff; there
> are distinct differences between the Really Early Stuff, the
> Baroque stuff, the later 18thc/early 19thc stuff, and the
> later 19thc stuff.  Cuckolds is in the early bit, Orleans I'd
> say well into Baroque, and Wilson into the next group.  We
> may have not merely apples and oranges but a whole basket
> of fruit here.


Pray elucidate!  I'm sure many of us would like to hear your thoughts! 
Some people on the list are experts in different parts of the fruit
basket that you outline, so you will assuredly create vibrant response,
but that debate is part of what makes this an interesting discussion
list.


Allison Thompson in Pittsburgh

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   I've had a request from a dancer for a dance named the St. Charles Reel.
He claims to have done it at some point in the past.  I've checked my usual
sources, including the library of congress site, and haven't been able to
find any dance with a name like this.  I leaning towards the theory that
the dancer has misremembered the name of the dance, but I thought I would
take a chance and see if anyone on this list knows of a dance of this name.

   Thanks for any information.

Jonathan

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I hope everyone on the List, and all of your loved ones, are safe.

sending out hugs and prayers,

Deb Karl
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The Federal Government closed this morning for security, so along with
all the other Federal workers, I made my way out of DC - slowly.  The
streets were gridlocked with police, ambulances, and people trying to
leave the city.  Rumors were flying, and as we know, they are trying to
fit the jagged pieces of this puzzle together.

Are any New Yorkers able to report?  My thoughts are with you.

Stephanie
Bethesda, MD

Deb Karl wrote:

> I hope everyone on the List, and all of your loved ones, are safe.
>
> sending out hugs and prayers,
>
> Deb Karl

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I feel as though I'm reporting at second hand, albeit from NY.  It's 
surreal--I live in Queens and if it weren't for the TV it would be a quiet, 
lovely day.  So far, all those who dance with us regularly and who work 
downtown have reliably been reported safe--but I know that they all have 
friends, and my fingers are too shaky to finish typing that thought.  If 
only the world community were as close knit as the dance community. . . .
--Orly.

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--- Orly Krasner <okrasner-AT-
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> I feel as though I'm reporting at second hand, albeit from NY.
> It's surreal--I live in Queens and if it weren't for the TV
> it would be a quiet, lovely day.  So far, all those who dance
> with us regularly and who work downtown have reliably been
> reported safe--but I know that they all have friends, and my
> fingers are too shaky to finish typing that thought.  If only
> the world community were as close knit as the dance
> community. . . .
> --Orly.

I know what you mean about it being surreal. My cats sleep as
usual as though nothing has happened, and in their world it
hasn't. My neighbor awakened me about 7:30 this morning to tell
me what had happened and I'm stunned beyond comprehension.

Orly's last words remind me of this:

All the ills of mankind, all the political blunders, all the 
failures of the great leaders have arisen merely from a lack of 
skill in dancing.		-- Molière

...then there's the great idiot in the White House. Who'd have
thought that he would "lead" us to this so quickly?

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I watched on Television with horror the devastating scenes in the USA today. 
I send my heartfelt condolences to everyone on the other side of the 
Atlantic. Living as I do about 35 miles from Lockerbie, I have some slight 
idea of what you must be going through, and my thoughts go with you,
                                                            Nicolas 
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Dear Stephanie,
I'm so happy that you are safe.
At first I thought that it was just a terrible accident. But then learned 
abut the collaspe of the WTC buildings!!!! NYC has been closed off to all 
traffic. People are walking over the brigdges, boats were used to get some 
people off the island and to help.  There is limited phone service0-it works 
better with the old dial fphones not the touch tones. Many cell phones are 
not working.  There are large plumes of black smoke and the acrid aroma has 
reached my parents area at Ralph and Ave K in Brooklyn!!!
    I haven;t heard from others in NYC. Hopefully they didn't reach their 
jobs that early.  Take care   Sandra Linenschmidt
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At 01:23 PM 9/11/01 -0400, Stephanie wrote:
>Are any New Yorkers able to report?  My thoughts are with you.

Tonight was going to have been our first English dance of the season at
Metropolitan Duane Church.  We have canceled it, out of respect for the
work going on at St. Vincent's Trauma Center, right across the street from
Duane, where emergency vehicles are bringing victims of the blast.  If you
look down Seventh Avenue, you can still see smoke.

These are the CDNY folks I've heard from, directly or indirectly, all of
whom are fine.  If somebody's name isn't on this list, it probably means
they haven't gotten through the phone system, which is overloaded.

Annie Edden, Marty Fager, Suzanne Ford, Karen Geer, Sally Denmead & Jonah
Winter, Kit Campbell, Rob Weinstein, Margherita & George Davis, Yonina
Gordon, Gloria Glaser & Millie Kern, Rob Weinstein, Sol Weber, Michael
Siemon, David Green, Helen Tuzio, Robin Russell, Beverly Francis, Orly
Krasner, David Simonoff, Irv Kass & Elizabeth Freedman, Art Munisteri &
Nancy Boyd.

Sharon Green

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Many thanks for the posts regarding the safety of dancing friends in NYC and
Washington. You are all in my thoughts and prayers.

Dancers everywhere in the US  may want to check with  local blood centers or
Red Cross offices. A nation-wide blood drive is underway, and the Red Cross
is accepting donations specified for this tragedy. I just got back from
delivering cookies and fruit punch to the local blood center (I can't donate
blood due to a medical condition) - the line was out the door and the police
were directing traffic attempting to turn in. Bless all those who can help
in this way...

By the way, the rumor that a plane was missing in Lexington, KY's airspace
this morning was false. It was reported on ABC network TV, but all planes
are accounted for here.

Susan Booker
Lexington, KY

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Thank you for the update Susan--Sandra Linenschmidt
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Thank you Orly and Sharon.  Has anyone heard from Laura Basili?  I 
didn't see her name on Sharon's list and I recall from several years ago 
that she worked in or near the World Trade Center.

I think Steph and I were the only ECDlisters that worked in DC, so I 
think that our area is safely accounted for.  I know people that work at 
the Pentagon, but none that are dancers.  

 From my office near the top of the tallest building along the Potomac, 
we have a perfect view of the Pentagon.  None of us saw or heard the 
crash, but we saw the billowing black smoke almost immediately.  The day 
was uncannily clear as we watched in almost surreallistic detail.  We 
could see the fire spread and saw a section of the Pentagon collapse. 
 With all the wild rumors being reported as news and conflicting 
information this morning, we dared not leave.  Eventually, we heard that 
the Metro was running and I convinced my staff that their safety was 
much more important their work.  

I've spend the afternoon checking in with friends and coworkers.  So 
far, all in the DC area are safe. The news from NY however is grim. 
 I've received a very distressing report from one of my closest 
gardening friends.  I know what it felt like when I sent my staff home 
today not knowing if their journeys would be safe.  I cannot begin to 
imagine how my friend feels, not yet having heard from any of his staff 
or their coworkers.

With great sadness,
Rich Galloway

Orly Krasner wrote:

> I feel as though I'm reporting at second hand, albeit from NY.  It's 
> surreal--I live in Queens and if it weren't for the TV it would be a 
> quiet, lovely day.  So far, all those who dance with us regularly and 
> who work downtown have reliably been reported safe--but I know that 
> they all have friends, and my fingers are too shaky to finish typing 
> that thought.  If only the world community were as close knit as the 
> dance community. . . .
> --Orly.



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--- SUSAN B BOOKER <susantiq-AT-
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> Many thanks for the posts regarding the safety of dancing
> friends in NYC and Washington. You are all in my thoughts and
> prayers.
> 
> Dancers everywhere in the US  may want to check with  local
> blood centers or Red Cross offices. A nation-wide blood drive
> is underway, and the Red Cross is accepting donations
specified
> for this tragedy. I just got back from delivering cookies and
> fruit punch to the local blood center (I can't donate blood
due
> to a medical condition) - the line was out the door and the
> police were directing traffic attempting to turn in. Bless all
> those who can help in this way...

The Portland Red Cross has long lines of people outside waiting
to give blood and the local TV stations are telling people to
wait a day or two. They have more donors than they can handle
today. The need will be there for some time to come, I'm sure.

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Dear Sharon,  Was at work in Westwood, NJ at that time.  Was at World
Trade Ctr on Saturday for concerts for many hours, and was planning to go
back tonight for another performance.  Incredible and horrid.    Bea
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At 05:20 PM 9/11/01 , you wrote:

>I think Steph and I were the only ECDlisters that worked in DC, so I 
>think that our area is safely accounted for.  I know people that work at 
>the Pentagon, but none that are dancers.  

Nope. Me, too --- about 2 blocks from the Capitol, as you remember, Rich.
But, I and my co-workers (including some dancers not on this list) all
got out and home safely (after waiting a while). We couldn't see the Pentagon 
from my office, but the ride we got (we were blessed today - finding an empty
Limo-Bus heading to Bethesda) took us past the Tidal Basin, with a view of
the 
Pentagon and the heavy, billowing black smoke... 
(this was about 12 or 12:30). 

And, thank you, Sharon, and others, for your reports....

My thoughts are with you all.

Diane


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My apartment has a panoramic view of the New York City skyline.  Every 
morning when I awake I look out the window and see the World Trade Center 
gleaming in the early mornng light or emerging from a shroud of mist.  I 
didn't realize this morning's would be my last view of it.  

I was at work when I heard the WQXR radio announcer say a plane crashed into 
the North tower and it was burning.   I went to the roof and was greeted by 
an incredible sight.  The North tower was spewing smoke like a giant 
smoke-stack on the horizon.  It was about ten or twelve unobstructed miles 
away.  Just then, there was a roar directly overhead.  A very low flying 
commercial jet was headed directly for Manhattan. I watched for thirty 
seconds and to my horror, a fireball came from the south tower followed 
sometime afterward by a tremendous roar.  I could not believe what I had 
seen.  

My surprise, at the time, however, didn't come close to an hour later when I 
was watching TV.  A woman who was being interveiwed began screaming.  Moments 
later the camera showed only one tower.  I knew it had to be a different 
angle.  I asked "Where's the other tower?"  No one answered.

So far, everyone I knew in the area is alright.  I wish I could say the same 
for everyone I didn't know.  

Thanks for listening,
Tom Amesse
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Sorry - misaddressed this on the first try.

Susan

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> Would members of any groups who are cancelling current or upcoming weekend
> dance events due to the events in NYC and Washington please post this
> information to the list? This would be especially useful for out-of-town
> dancers who are planning on attending these events, especially if they
must
> travel considerable distances.
>
>  Information about events which are _not_ being cancelled would also be
> welcome.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Susan Booker
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Stephanie Smith wrote (in part):

"Are any New Yorkers able to report?  My thoughts are with you."

Hello Stephanie,

    We were too far from the scene to be directly involved. It was eerily
quiet in Pelham as air and train traffic stopped and auto travel into the
city was blocked. I stayed home and tried to work but couldn't.
    Nancy's hospital, Einstein, hasn't received any of the injured yet but
may as other hospitals fill. The hospital next door, where Nancy used to
work, is a major burn trauma center and has received a number of injured
but is far from swamped. My greatest fear is that by far the greater number
of casualties have been killed which means that the hospitals won't receive
too many wounded.
    Many of the docs in Nancy's department, especially the surgeons who
have useful skills in ER, went downtown and volunteered their services. As
you probably know from TV or radio, the rescue work has barely begun.
    By mutual consent, I've canceled an important appointment with my blind
associate at Baruch College. We both felt that staying off the streets of
Manhattan was the wise thing to do.
    I pray that none of our dance community were in the line of fire but I
am very uncomfortable with the remembrance that two of them, dear friends,
went down with that Egypt airlines flight.

Warmest regards,
Albert




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Although Baltimore, where I live, was not attacked, we were apparently on
the terrorists' list list as a possible target (our World Trade Center).
So security downtown has been very strict; in fact, one of the
interstates going into the city was blocked off.  But I have a number of
good friends in both Washington and New York, and am extremely upset over
what happened. It's so horrible it seems almost unreal. My thoughts and
prayers are with anyone in those areas, and I hope you're all safe.

Dawn Culbertson
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Having watched the live pictures on TV yesterday - I am sure we couldn't
get the true horror of what was happening - we can still only imagine -
and hope.

As a firefighter for almost 30 years, it was shattering to watch the
emergency services running in when everyone else was running out of the
area.  No amount of training could ever prepare them for what they had
to do, and their death toll must also be enormous.

And dancing? I am sure it is this that kept me sane during my time in
the fire service. An escape valve from work, from what I had seen and
had to do, and a circle of friends to meet and dance with. So, if you do
feel you must cancel any dances in respect of what has happened - don't
forget some people/survivors may still need the dances, especially in
this time of their loss, to know they are not being abandoned by their
dance community and to try and keep some normality in their lives.

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Hi, Trevor--
   Several members of our dance community expressed exactly that sentiment 
while discussing whether or not to cancel the dance--whether we actually 
moved to music or not became almost secondary to our desire to be with other 
people to whom we felt so connected.  Our dance space is directly across the 
street from St Vincent's Hospital, so we continue to pray. . . .
--Orly (still in shock--perhaps even more so as the enormity of the loss to 
humanity starts to sink in)

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Dear friends,

I'm sad to report that it appears that my sister Jessica's husband Steve
Adams was killed yesterday at the WTC-- he was a sommelier at the Windows
on the World restaurant and at work when the planes struck.  There's been
no news of him.  Steve was an avid Morris dancer (Marlboro Men), and
Jessica has done sound at Pinewoods and some NY events.

Jessica is coping OK-- I'm staying with her at her apartment for the next
few days.

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The message appearing below was dispatched to many dancers in the 
Washington, DC area this a.m. We will dance at Glen Echo (suburban 
DC) tonight. Out-of-towners who may be in the area may find info at 
www.just.net/~roger/events.html.

-- 
Roger W. Broseus
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After a brief consultation with others, this is to let you know that we plan 
to dance tonight. I questioned the appropriateness of my being a dancer 
tonight, given yesterday's most tragic events. I then came across a message 
on the English country dance mailing list from a New York City fire fighter:

"Having watched the live pictures on TV yesterday - I am sure we couldn't 
get the true horror of what was happening - we can still only imagine - and 
hope.

"As a firefighter for almost 30 years, it was shattering to watch the 
emergency services running in when everyone else was running out of the   
area.  No amount of training could ever prepare them for what they had to 
do, and their death toll must also be enormous.

"And dancing? I am sure it is this that kept me sane during my time in the 
fire service. An escape valve from work, from what I had seen and had to do, 
and a circle of friends to meet and dance with. So, if you do feel you must 
cancel any dances in respect of what has happened - don't forget some 
people/survivors may still need the dances, especially in this time of their 
loss, to know they are not being abandoned by their dance community and to 
try and keep some normality in their lives.

"Trevor Monson."

And Rich Galloway said earlier today,

"Yes, Roger, let's dance.  It's a time to grieve and a time to heal.  There 
is no better place to do that than in the warm embrace of the dance 
community.  It's especially comforting to know that as we dance together in 
our local community, we are part of a global dance community.  May we 
transcend the hatred."

Let us come together this evening, once again sharing in mutual caring and 
support, nurturing the souls of our dance community.

/Roger

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While it may appear that you are the only recipient of this message, is is 
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<<I'm sad to report that it appears that my sister Jessica's husband Steve
Adams was killed yesterday at the WTC-- he was a sommelier at the Windows
on the World restaurant and at work when the planes struck.  There's been
no news of him.  Steve was an avid Morris dancer (Marlboro Men), and
Jessica has done sound at Pinewoods and some NY events.

Jessica is coping OK-- I'm staying with her at her apartment for the next
few days.>>

Gene:

Our deepest sympathies go with you, with your sister, and with Steve's
friends and side-mates.

Peace,
Paul


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Orly Krasner writes:
> 
>    Several members of our dance community expressed exactly that sentiment 
> while discussing whether or not to cancel the dance--whether we actually 
> moved to music or not became almost secondary to our desire to be with other 
> people to whom we felt so connected.  Our dance space is directly across the 
> street from St Vincent's Hospital, so we continue to pray. . . .
> --Orly (still in shock--perhaps even more so as the enormity of the loss to 
> humanity starts to sink in)

   Several years ago Orace Johnson, the leader of our local contra dance,
died during one of our dances here in Urbana, IL.  After the amulance had
taken him away there was a lot of uncertainty as to what to do.  I don't
recall what arguments, pro and con, there were, but in the end the consensus
was to continue with the dance in the time that remained.  The thought was
that Orace had died while doing what he loved and would have wanted us to
continue on, even though he was no longer with us.  I think that in the
end this helped us through that hard time better than being alone and
quiet would have.

   Another possible way to look at this is that this attack was in some
ways directed against the American culture and traditional dance and music
are an important part of any culture.  By continuing to celebrate the
positive aspects of our culture (which includes Anglo-American dance and
music) we show that the attack did not achieve it ultimate goal, the
distruction of our culture and it's values and beliefs.

Jonathan

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Hello everyone,

It is with great sadness that I write to you about the death of Chris
Carstanjen, Mary Jones' son. Chris was on one of the planes that hit the WTC.

So far we have not been able to reach Mary; we think she is on her way
to be with relatives. 

We will keep you posted when we learn more.



Ruth
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>Dear friends,
>
>I'm sad to report that it appears that my sister Jessica's husband Steve
>Adams was killed yesterday at the WTC-- he was a sommelier at the Windows
>on the World restaurant and at work when the planes struck.  There's been
>no news of him.  Steve was an avid Morris dancer (Marlboro Men), and
>Jessica has done sound at Pinewoods and some NY events.
>
>Jessica is coping OK-- I'm staying with her at her apartment for the next
>few days.
>
>Gene
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Of course, this being such a close-knit community, we should dance and be 
together.  And we will.  However, yesterday in New York City, there was no 
question that our regular English dance could not take place.  There had just 
been a major terrorist attack that demolished two huge buildings with 
consequences that were developing minute by minute.  Manhattan was sealed 
off.  Most public transportation was suspended or greatly reduced.  No one 
was going anywhere.  And our dance location is one block away from the key 
trauma center for lower Manhattan so obviously there was (and still is) only 
emergency access to the area.  However, concern for our fellow dancers was 
tremendous and many of us remained in contact with each other waiting for 
news.  We are thankful that so many of our community emerged from this horror 
safely and are deeply saddened to learn how this tragedy continues to affect 
us. 

To be perfectly truthful, I don't know when we will be able to resume.  I 
hope we will be able to hold our contra dance on Saturday.  But Manhattan 
below 14th Street is sealed off and the rescue work at the WTC will be going 
on for days.  This is not a decision, just thinking out loud.  However, life 
will resume -- as close to normal as we can make it.

Thanks to everyone on the list for your expressions of love and concern.  It 
is comforting to know that our geographically far-flung community is so close 
in spirit.

With gratitude and love,
 
Suzanne Ford
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Gene, My heartfelt sympathies go out to you and your families on the loss of your Brother in Law Steve

Sandra Linenschmidt
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Gene Murrow wrote:

> Dear friends,
>
> I'm sad to report that it appears that my sister Jessica's husband Steve
> Adams was killed yesterday at the WTC-- he was a sommelier at the Windows
> on the World restaurant and at work when the planes struck.  There's been
> no news of him.  Steve was an avid Morris dancer (Marlboro Men), and
> Jessica has done sound at Pinewoods and some NY events.
>
> Jessica is coping OK-- I'm staying with her at her apartment for the next
> few days.
>
> Gene
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Gene:

My heart, my love and my tears go out to you!

Ben Stein


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In a message dated 9/12/01 8:18:51 AM, madrobin-AT-
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>Hello everyone,
>
>It is with great sadness that I write to you about the death of Chris
>Carstanjen, Mary Jones' son. Chris was on one of the planes that hit the
>WTC.
>
>So far we have not been able to reach Mary; we think she is on her way
>to be with relatives. 
>
>We will keep you posted when we learn more.
>
>Ruth

What a terrible loss.  Does anyone have Mary's snail mail or email address so 
I can send her a note?

thanks

Nilos
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> >Hello everyone,
> >
> >It is with great sadness that I write to you about the death of Chris
> >Carstanjen, Mary Jones' son. Chris was on one of the planes that hit the
> >WTC.
> >
> >Ruth
> 
> What a terrible loss.  Does anyone have Mary's snail mail or email address so 
> I can send her a note?


Mary's address is mjones010-AT-
earthlink.net

						--Rob

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--- Ruth Feldberg <madrobin-AT-
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> It is with great sadness that I write to you about the death
> of Chris Carstanjen, Mary Jones' son. Chris was on one of the
> planes that hit the WTC.

I think I remember Chris many years ago while still in his teens
coming to the Hartford Ball with his mother. A fine young man
and a tragic loss.

Once again the mindless cowardice of terrorism reaches into our
peaceful community and takes another of our friends.

Andy in Portland

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I'm writing at the request of Laura and Leonard Wilson, who are not on the 
list, but who ARE safe and wish to thank everybody for their concern.
--Orly

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Roger,

Just to clarify one point - I was a firefighter in Wales and then
England until I retired earlier this year.

Although many miles away, watching the atrocity unfold gave me, and I'm
sure millions of others, a feeling of helplessness.

And now we are learning of deaths of relations of
friends/acquaintences - even names on a list who we have become used to
reading but never met. I hope, as I said before, that dance (and the
dance community)  can still be a way to start to bring back some
feeling of
normality to those who need it.

Trevor Monson



> The message appearing below was dispatched to many dancers in the
> Washington, DC area this a.m. We will dance at Glen Echo (suburban
> DC) tonight. Out-of-towners who may be in the area may find info at
> www.just.net/~roger/events.html.
>
> --
> Roger W. Broseus
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
-
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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> After a brief consultation with others, this is to let you know that
we plan
> to dance tonight. I questioned the appropriateness of my being a
dancer
> tonight, given yesterday's most tragic events. I then came across a
message
> on the English country dance mailing list from a New York City fire
fighter:
>
> "Having watched the live pictures on TV yesterday - I am sure we
couldn't
> get the true horror of what was happening - we can still only
imagine - and
> hope.
>
> "As a firefighter for almost 30 years, it was shattering to watch the
> emergency services running in when everyone else was running out of
the
> area.  No amount of training could ever prepare them for what they had
to
> do, and their death toll must also be enormous.
>
> "And dancing? I am sure it is this that kept me sane during my time in
the
> fire service. An escape valve from work, from what I had seen and had
to do,
> and a circle of friends to meet and dance with. So, if you do feel you
must
> cancel any dances in respect of what has happened - don't forget some
> people/survivors may still need the dances, especially in this time of
their
> loss, to know they are not being abandoned by their dance community
and to
> try and keep some normality in their lives.
>
> "Trevor Monson."
>
> And Rich Galloway said earlier today,
>
> "Yes, Roger, let's dance.  It's a time to grieve and a time to heal.
There
> is no better place to do that than in the warm embrace of the dance
> community.  It's especially comforting to know that as we dance
together in
> our local community, we are part of a global dance community.  May we
> transcend the hatred."
>
> Let us come together this evening, once again sharing in mutual caring
and
> support, nurturing the souls of our dance community.
>
> /Roger
>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> While it may appear that you are the only recipient of this message,
is is
> being sent to many in my personal Email address book.




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In a message dated 9/12/01 8:18:51 AM, madrobin-AT-
javanet.com writes:

>It is with great sadness that I write to you about the death of Chris
>Carstanjen, Mary Jones' son. Chris was on one of the planes that hit the WTC.
>So far we have not been able to reach Mary; we think she is on her way
>to be with relatives.>

How terrible terrible terrible. Chris was close to my son Noah's age, & they 
were at Family Weeks together for several years during the late 70's I think. 
Those were my first encounters with him & his Mom & I know I am not alone in 
immediately responding to their warmth. I was so pleased, over all these 
years, to have observed him blossom into a wonderful dance partner with a 
sense of fun & humor truly worthy of Mary. 

Judy Grunberg
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At 10:01 PM 9/12/01 +0100, Trevor wrote:
>And now we are learning of deaths of relations of
>friends/acquaintences - even names on a list who we have become used to
>reading but never met. I hope, as I said before, that dance (and the
>dance community)  can still be a way to start to bring back some
>feeling of normality to those who need it.

It can be and shall be, Trevor, even here in New York.  It's still
prohibited for anyone except neighborhood residents or people on official
business to go below 14th Street, but we're working to set up an alternate
site for our Saturday dance, if it's necessary.  And we'll have one.
Godspeed--
Sharon
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Dear Gene,  My heartfelt and sincere sympathies to you and Jesssica, and
family.    Bea H.
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j-sivier-AT-
ux1.cso.uiuc.edu wrote:  

>Orly Krasner writes:
>> 
>>    Several members of our dance community expressed exactly that sentiment 
>> while discussing whether or not to cancel the dance--whether we actually 
>> moved to music or not became almost secondary to our desire to be with 
other 
>> people to whom we felt so connected.  Our dance space is directly across 
the 
>> street from St Vincent's Hospital, so we continue to pray. . . .
>> --Orly (still in shock--perhaps even more so as the enormity of the loss to 
>> humanity starts to sink in)
>
>   Several years ago Orace Johnson, the leader of our local contra dance,
>died during one of our dances here in Urbana, IL.  After the amulance had
>taken him away there was a lot of uncertainty as to what to do.  I don't
>recall what arguments, pro and con, there were, but in the end the consensus
>was to continue with the dance in the time that remained.  The thought was
>that Orace had died while doing what he loved and would have wanted us to
>continue on, even though he was no longer with us.  I think that in the
>end this helped us through that hard time better than being alone and
>quiet would have.
>
>   Another possible way to look at this is that this attack was in some
>ways directed against the American culture and traditional dance and music
>are an important part of any culture.  By continuing to celebrate the
>positive aspects of our culture (which includes Anglo-American dance and
>music) we show that the attack did not achieve it ultimate goal, the
>distruction of our culture and it's values and beliefs.
>
>Jonathan

I was calling the dance that night, and made the suggestion that, 
if anyone wished to continue dancing, it might be seen as honoring 
Orace.  Many people stayed and danced, including a physician and 
two nurses who had worked very hard trying to save his life.  I 
believe that most of those who were there felt we were honoring 
his life by dancing for the rest of the evening.  

Roger Diggle

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Thank you.  I am much relieved.  I was also pleased to learn this 
morning that my gardening friend's staff were safely evacuated from the 
WTC.  But, I am deeply saddened by the many who were lost in the 
tragedy.  My sympathies go out to all the friends and relatives, and 
especially to Jessica and Gene and Mary Jones.  

Orly Krasner wrote:

> I'm writing at the request of Laura and Leonard Wilson, who are not on 
> the list, but who ARE safe and wish to thank everybody for their concern.
> --Orly


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I certainly hope that I don't collapse and die at a dance, because it
would be disturbing to all concerned, including me, I suppose.  In the
event that such a thing happens, however, please accept my apologies for
the disruption and inconvenience in advance, and know that my wish is for
you to continue with the dance.

Mike Franch
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I seem to be having a hard time focussing on the list's address, so this is
doubly forwarded from my first, misaddressed effort...

Susan


> I just received this message from David. I will join him, and many others,
> in dancing, and in celebrating life, and joy, and friendship, and
> connection - and we will remember those who have had all those wonderful
> things stolen from them....
>
> Susan Booker
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David R. Woolf" <dwoolf-AT-
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> To: "English Country Dance Atlanta" <ECDAtlanta-AT-
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> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 7:40 PM
> Subject: This weekend
>
>
> > I have had email from several of you regarding our plans for this
weekend.
> >
> > A friend from Boston writes:
> > Terrorism creates disorder and chaos; more deeply, it undermines the
trust
> > and that sense of connection which is necessary for us to live together.
> >
> > Our dance form creates beauty, elegance and order.  More deeply, it
> > nourishes trust in each other and strengthens the connection between us.
> >
> >
> > I plan to dance this weekend.  All weekend.  I hope you will join me.
> >
> > Yes, our weekend will go on as scheduled.
> >
> > -David
> >  English Country Dance Atlanta
> >
> >
> > _________________________________________
> > (Note:  I have been try to send this message out for most of the day.
> > Problems with Outlook's address book.  Curses to Microsoft. Sorry for
the
> > delay.)
> >
> >
>

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Oh, come now!
There've been several times in my life (when I left my kids at home to hike
the AT), when I left by myself for Tristan da Cunha for half a year etc.
etc.) when I told my dear ones that - should I die while doing whatever it
was at the time - they should try to find solace in the thought that I was
doing what I most wanted to do in my life at that time. Dancing belongs
into that category as well! So, since we all have to die some day anyway, I
wouldn't mind dancing right into the Elysian Fields!
 
Yesterday's tragedy is a grim reminder that few of us are granted that
privilege though. 
Yesterday was war without an obvious enemy, and senseless destruction. We
must guard against letting the terrorists accomplish what perhaps was their
goal: throwing us ALL into turmoil, interrupting ALL our lives, making ALL
of us suffer. After WW II I thought that NOW mankind had learned... There
have been too many wars after that to still believe that. 

Think for a moment what brought mankind to dance originally. Excitement! A
hightened sense of living - and celebrating it! Mostly with others,
sometimes for others, but seldom in total isolation. The need to dance is a
very basic need! We have channeled it mostly into specific settings at
predetermined times in a regular social setting, and it is rarely a
spontaneous action or reaction. Yet it still is a release and can offer
relief. To dance in spite of it all acknowledges our innermost power and
positive strengths. Let's not be robbed of that!

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   />    /<  Hanny Budnick

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On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 10:41:48 -0400 Gene Murrow <gmurrow-AT-
juno.com> writes:
> 
> I'm sad to report that it appears that my sister Jessica's husband 
> Steve
> Adams was killed yesterday at the WTC-- he was a sommelier at the 
> Windows
> on the World restaurant and at work when the planes struck.  

I'm very sorry to hear about your brother-in-law. My deepest sympathies
to you and your family.

Dawn Culbertson


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Many thanks to all of you who have expressed concern for those of us in
NY and DC.  I live about 6 miles east of Manhattan.  The smoke from the
WTC can be seen from the next town over.  Sirens of emergency vehicles
can be heard speeding past my house on a regular basis - traveling
between JFK airport and downtown.  This afternoon, the sound of jet
engines emanated from LaGuardia airport.  People are trying to go about
their business, but their faces reveal the shock, grief, and worry that
we all feel.  Everyone I have spoken with knows someone who is missing. 
The hole in the skyline speaks for the hole we all have in our hearts.

I am thankful to have this wonderful dancing community that has provided
such love and support these past two days.

Sincerely,
Helen Tuzio
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Does anyone know where I can order the book "Airs & Dances", by Elsie
Watson?

Thanks,

Philippe Callens

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Philippe Callens wrote:

> Does anyone know where I can order the book "Airs & Dances", by Elsie
> Watson?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Philippe Callens

I would expect Derek-Ann-AT-
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(That is:- Derek and Ann Appleing at
      55 Arle Road
      Cheltenham
      Glos GL51 8LA
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Vermont Friends (which I wrote) does not include a draw poussette.

Philippe Callens

Antony Heywood wrote:

>  John Woodwrote:
>
> > Please can you help me with the titlesof dances which contain the
> formation"draw poussette"?
>
> My database of 4870 dances (and growing) shows up the following as
> having got a DRAW POUSSETTE although I haven't cross checked with the
> original dance descriptions to see if it's a proper draw poussette or
> just something similar (e.g. you sometines come across one couple
> doing a U-movement while the other couple does a normal in-and-out
> poussette). --- Antony Heywood
>
> Vermont Friends
>
> Shepherd's Delight
>
> Gentleman Caller, The
>
> Man was for Woman Made
>
> Juliana 3
>
> Cupid Disarm'd 2
>
> Jerbourg
>
> One is One and all alone
>
> Mr Englefield's New Hornpipe
>
> Wallington Diamond Jubilee
>
> Marli Water Works
>
> Hampstead Heath
>
> Christine, Come Dance with us
>
> Prince William's Return
>
> Hampstead Manor
>
> Road to Ruin, The
>
> Duchess of Grafton
>
> Heather Towers
>
> Jain's Balance
>
> First Lady, The
>
> Captain Macintosh
>
> Sulking Virgin
>
> Jog On
>
> John the Madman
>
> Princess, The
>
> Saucy Sailor 2, The
>
> Spectator Special
>
> Queen Bess's Dame of Honour
>
> Fleur de Lis
>
> Bottle Brush, The
>
> Boys of Wexford, The
>
> JDK's Festival
>
> March Hare, The
>
> Priory Gardens, The
>
> Wingletang Down
>
> Somesuch
>
> Health to All Honest Men, A
>
> Old World and the New, The
>
> Evergreen
>
> To Have and to Hold
>
> Aunt Kit's Reel
>
> Polly's Waltz
>
> Gloup, The
>
> Great Hall, The
>
> Lovelorn
>
> Sleeping in the Attick
>
> Watkin's Ale
>
> Have & To Hold, To
>
> Maggott for Mr Purcell, A
>
> Garden Assembly, The
>
> Bright with Joy
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i'm relieved to hear that you're well and not in the city.
love,

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At 09:53 PM 9/12/01 -0400, you wrote:
>Many thanks to all of you who have expressed concern for those of us in
>NY and DC.  I live about 6 miles east of Manhattan.  The smoke from the
>WTC can be seen from the next town over.  Sirens of emergency vehicles
>can be heard speeding past my house on a regular basis - traveling
>between JFK airport and downtown.  This afternoon, the sound of jet
>engines emanated from LaGuardia airport.  People are trying to go about
>their business, but their faces reveal the shock, grief, and worry that
>we all feel.  Everyone I have spoken with knows someone who is missing.
>The hole in the skyline speaks for the hole we all have in our hearts.
>
>I am thankful to have this wonderful dancing community that has provided
>such love and support these past two days.
>
>Sincerely,
>Helen Tuzio
>New York

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Have Carl Levine, Helen White, and Chloe, and Elissa Weiss been
accounted for?

Barbara

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Carl, Chloe and I are all right. Thanks for thinking of us, Barbara.
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> Roger,
> 
> Just to clarify one point - I was a firefighter in Wales and then
> England until I retired earlier this year.

You served as a source of inspiration just the same and I thank you for 
that. I'm a bit embarassed but not much: as we Yanks say, it was the thought 
that counted. We had a very nice turn-out last night and many seemed to gain 
energy from being amongst friends.

By the way: Rich Galloway pointed out to me last night that I'd made a 
geographical error.
 
> Although many miles away, watching the atrocity unfold gave me, and I'm
> sure millions of others, a feeling of helplessness.

It's universal.
 
> And now we are learning of deaths of relations of
> friends/acquaintences - even names on a list who we have become used to
> reading but never met. I hope, as I said before, that dance (and the
> dance community)  can still be a way to start to bring back some
> feeling of
> normality to those who need it.

And I hope to meet you someday. I've made many friends in this curious 
virtual reality and, without fail, they've become good friends in the flesh. 
Not so with some residents of cyberspace.

Best regards,

/Roger

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Folks,
It's been heartening to see the concern and caring expressed by
members of this list.  It shows that there is a sense of genuine
community, of caring about each other, that has grown up within this
rather strange assortment of people in which many of us who have
never set eyes on each other, some of us who have argued sometimes
vehemently with each other, and yet we share a sense of belonging to
each other.

We as a community have been very good at showing our caring through
celebrations and special events marking joyous occasions in each
others' lives, as Gene Murrow pointed out in his talk at Pinewoods
about the English Dance culture in America.  The outpouring of
response to the deaths of Ed Helwig, and Mary Kay, although sad
occasions were also signs of the strength of our community. I think
that what has just happened though is of a different order than the
loss of people who came to the natural end of their lives.  To have
people one loves ripped away in the fullness of their lives by such
callous brutality is a horror beyond anything I can imagine.  In the
shock that we all are feeling, and the need to heal, reassure and
connect, we must not forget that two (so far as we know now)among us
are going through that particular horror.  

I would like to ask for thoughts on what we, as a community, can do,
to give support and whatever comfort possible to Jessica Murrow and
Mary Jones.

Barbara



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Barbara wrote:

> I would like to ask for thoughts on what we, as a community, can do,
> to give support and whatever comfort possible to Jessica Murrow and
> Mary Jones.

All the advice I've read on this subject is stuff that's hard to do by email:
Bring food, sit with people, express your sorrow (well, that's something 
we can do somewhat remotely), let them grieve but don't insist that they grieve
in some way you recognize, don't try to comfort the survivors with stuff about
it being God's plan.  Don't lay any trip on them.  If you want to be helpful,
identify something helpful to do and do it; telling someone stunned by grief to 
call you if they need anything is sometimes asking too much.  (This is why
bringing food is good.)

What I was thinking we as a group could do is to memorialize these people,
making sure that their names live on.  It seems the traditional way to do this 
is with a named scholarship to a CDSS summer camp, in this case possibly
directed toward a young man.

I'm not in a position at this time to organize this, but if somebody else is
willing to, I'll certainly donate some money.  (Just off the top of my head, it
seems like an endowed scholarship isn't cheap; if you want to pull off
$600/year in interest you're looking at $10,000 to $20,000.  I think this ought
to be possible.)

-- Alan



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On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote:

> I'm not in a position at this time to organize this, but if somebody else is
> willing to, I'll certainly donate some money.  (Just off the top of my head, it
> seems like an endowed scholarship isn't cheap; if you want to pull off
> $600/year in interest you're looking at $10,000 to $20,000.  I think this ought
> to be possible.)

Good idea.  I'm in.  I'd guess that it might be possible to work out a deal
with CDSS where they agree to accept whatever the interest happens to be on
some pre-agreed amount as one admission, so the fund could be protected
against subsequent price increases.

I'll float the idea on the Morris list, too.

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>On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote:
>
>> I'm not in a position at this time to organize this, but if somebody else is
>> willing to, I'll certainly donate some money.  (Just off the top of my
>>head, it
>> seems like an endowed scholarship isn't cheap; if you want to pull off
>> $600/year in interest you're looking at $10,000 to $20,000.  I think
>>this ought
>> to be possible.)
>

i'm in also. i'm sorry i can't offer to organize - things are a little busy
among media folk right now - but will be sure the word is passed on.

maryn

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Speaking for myself only, my feeling is to wait and see what Jessica and Mary 
would like us to do.  Certainly expressions of support and affection are 
appropriate -- but they can also be overwhelming, I would imagine.  Everyone 
grieves differently.  I suppose each person's individual action depends on 
how well one knows the people involved.  Obviously at a time like this, 
everyone wants to do something.  But I would  let them grieve in their own 
way, and people close to them will let us know how they are doing and when 
they are ready for the next step.

I think it's premature for an organized tribute.  But other people may feel 
differently.

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On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Jon Berger wrote:

> On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote:
> 
> > I'm not in a position at this time to organize this, but if somebody else is
> > willing to, I'll certainly donate some money.  (Just off the top of my head, it
> > seems like an endowed scholarship isn't cheap; if you want to pull off
> > $600/year in interest you're looking at $10,000 to $20,000.  I think this ought
> > to be possible.)
> 
> Good idea.  I'm in.  I'd guess that it might be possible to work out a deal
> with CDSS where they agree to accept whatever the interest happens to be on
> some pre-agreed amount as one admission, so the fund could be protected
> against subsequent price increases.
> 
> I'll float the idea on the Morris list, too.

It appears that Alex Naar, one of Chris's morris teammates, is already
working on putting something like this together.  I'm forwarding his mail,
at his request.

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On Fri, 14 Sep 2001,  alex naar wrote:

> Jon,
> 
>    We are working on this.  We just need to let some of the dust settle.
> I will post an update to the list soon.  Could you forward this message to
> the list as I am on webmail...
>
> Thanks Jon and to all who have sent words of support.   Steve and Chris'
> family, friends, and team mates do appreciate it very much indeed.  This is
> a wonderful community we have.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Alex

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--- Barbara Ruth <barbararuth-AT-
rocketmail.com> wrote:
> Folks,
> It's been heartening to see the concern and caring expressed
> by members of this list.  It shows that there is a sense of
> genuine community, of caring about each other, that has grown
> up within this rather strange assortment of people in which
> many of us who have never set eyes on each other, some of us
> who have argued sometimes vehemently with each other, and yet
> we share a sense of belonging to each other.
> 
> We as a community have been very good at showing our caring
> through celebrations and special events marking joyous
> occasions in each others' lives, as Gene Murrow pointed out in
> his talk at Pinewoods about the English Dance culture in
> America.  The outpouring of response to the deaths of Ed
> Helwig, and Mary Kay, although sad occasions were also signs
of
> the strength of our community. I think that what has just
> happened though is of a different order than the loss of
people
> who came to the natural end of their lives.  To have people
one
> loves ripped away in the fullness of their lives by such
> callous brutality is a horror beyond anything I can imagine. 
> In the shock that we all are feeling, and the need to heal,
> reassure and connect, we must not forget that two (so far as
we
> know now) among us are going through that particular horror.  
> 
> I would like to ask for thoughts on what we, as a community,
> can do, to give support and whatever comfort possible to
> Jessica Murrow and Mary Jones.

Thank you, Barbara, for expressing these feelings so well.
Community is what holds us together in times like this. Knowing
they have a community of friends who share in their sorrow is
one of the most important things we can give to them right now.
Having this group to share our feelings with is important to all
of us.

Andy

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Hi Helen,

I was so glad to learn that you and many others in the dance community were
safe (Sharon's email), and I'd assumed you were knowing you didn't work in
the city.  What a horrible time... people here are in shock -- I know I am
-- but that can be nothing compared to how it would be being right there.

Do take care of yourself.  I'm thinking of you all.

love,
Mary


on 9/12/01 6:53 PM, catdancer-AT-
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> Many thanks to all of you who have expressed concern for those of us in
> NY and DC.  I live about 6 miles east of Manhattan.  The smoke from the
> WTC can be seen from the next town over.  Sirens of emergency vehicles
> can be heard speeding past my house on a regular basis - traveling
> between JFK airport and downtown.  This afternoon, the sound of jet
> engines emanated from LaGuardia airport.  People are trying to go about
> their business, but their faces reveal the shock, grief, and worry that
> we all feel.  Everyone I have spoken with knows someone who is missing.
> The hole in the skyline speaks for the hole we all have in our hearts.
> 
> I am thankful to have this wonderful dancing community that has provided
> such love and support these past two days.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Helen Tuzio
> New York 

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I received this as a forward message--please pass it along...
All the best to everyone, Dorothy Olsson



Friday Night at 7:00 p.m. step out your door, stop your car, or step
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The message:  WE STAND UNITED - WE WILL NOT TOLERATE TERRORISM.

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Nilos brought a vase of red and white roses and carnations (Marlborough 
colors) with a small card with the names of Chris Carstanjen and Steve 
Adams propped against it to sit on the entrance desk at last night 
Berkeley dance.  She also brought a tray of cookies, fulfilling one of 
Alan's recommendations, at least.

Peace Be With You was the first dance after the break, and David Newitt 
asked our band to play the tune through once in remembrance of the events 
of Tuesday.

I'm very glad we danced last night, and were able to come together.

Mary Luckhardt

On 9/13/01 10:07 AM Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing said:

>Barbara wrote:
>
>> I would like to ask for thoughts on what we, as a community, can do,
>> to give support and whatever comfort possible to Jessica Murrow and
>> Mary Jones.
>
>All the advice I've read on this subject is stuff that's hard to do by email:
>Bring food, sit with people, express your sorrow ...
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Thank you, Mary, for sharing this with us.  Country Dance*New York will be 
having its regular contradance on Saturday (at an alternate location--see 
our website for details).  I, at least, will see it as a celebration of the 
ultimate triumph of Good over Evil, Life over Death, Order over Chaos.  We 
will draw strength from each other.  I can't tell you how much this list has 
meant to me in general, but particularly over the past few days.  I send to 
hugs to all of you.
--Orly.

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At 02:03 AM 9/14/01 +0000, Orly wrote:
 
>I can't tell you how much this list has 
>meant to me in general, but particularly over the past few days. 

I can only second Orly's remark.  Thank you, Alan, for making it possible
for us to reach out to each other in this way, and thanks to all of you who
have written, both off-list and on.
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Dear friends,

Many on the list have expressed the hope that the cycle of violence will
not be extended yet again by brutal reactions from American forces.

This viewpoint will very likely get a national airing tomorrow.  This
afternoon, my sister Jessica was interviewed by Barbara Walters of ABC
News.  Expecting to hear the typical plea for help locating a missing
loved one or some nationalistic sloganeering, Ms. Walters was surprised
by and drawn into Jessica's description of Steve's known belief that the
violent death of an innocent should never be avenged with yet more
violence against innocents, and her conviction that Steve would be
furious that such action would be taken in his name as a victim of this
terrorist act.  Ms. Walters and her producers, knowing a story when they
hear one, were talking of devoting some significant time to Steve's point
of view as expressed by his surviving partner.

Of course anything can happen between the cutting room and the broadcast
(and "significant time" in television terms simply means something more
than a simple few-second sound bite) but the segment is scheduled to be
aired on the ABC network at around 10:00 PM Eastern time.  It was built
around the story of the Windows on the World restaurant, where Steve
worked and which had as its mission welcoming and celebrating the many
cultures of the world.

As in interesting aside, Jessica and Susan (my wife, who accompanied
Jessica to the interview) were very impressed with Barbara Walters's
sensitivity, focus, and extraordinary character and inter-personal
skills, manifested in genuinely moving attitudes and conversations before
and after the filmed interview.  She's a good, sincere person; it isn't
all an act. 

Our thanks to all of you who have posted messages or sent messages
off-line about Steve and in support of Jessica.  She is assembling them
all for a print-out that she will present to Steve's mother as a
remembrance.

With love,

Gene
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>Dear friends,
>
>Many on the list have expressed the hope that the cycle of violence will
>not be extended yet again by brutal reactions from American forces.
>
>This viewpoint will very likely get a national airing tomorrow.  This
>afternoon, my sister Jessica was interviewed by Barbara Walters of ABC
>News.  Expecting to hear the typical plea for help locating a missing
>loved one or some nationalistic sloganeering, Ms. Walters was surprised
>by and drawn into Jessica's description of Steve's known belief that the
>violent death of an innocent should never be avenged with yet more
>violence against innocents, and her conviction that Steve would be
>furious that such action would be taken in his name as a victim of this
>terrorist act.

Thanks, Gene. We must all shield this candle against the threat of
an engulfing darkness. Hugs to Jessica for her coping with the media,
even in as sympathetic figure as you draw of Ms. Walters. Love to you
both.

Michael
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Gene -

Thank you so much for expressing what I'm sure many of us feel, that violence 
is not an appropriate or helpful response to violence. I passed on your message 
to my office and have already heard from someone saying how glad he is to hear 
this viewpoint expressed. We are very edgy here, one can't help but be when so 
close to the center of power.  Our office windows on one side are just across 
an alley from the Secret Service.

I think it highly probable that most people in this country will, in the end, 
know someone who was either in one of the planes, in the WTC, or in the 
Pentagon when tragedy struck.  We are all connected, as has been so clearly 
demonstrated by the response on this list, and we are citizens of the world. I 
would love to see something positive emerge from this sense of 
caring connection, from the local to the global.

I will be watching ABC this evening.  Thank you, Gene, and love to you, 
Jessica, and the rest of your family.

Stephanie

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For your perusal:                                                  
www.objectivistcenter.org/pubs/dk_assault_on_civilization.asp                
                                                   Michael

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And this........




>
>
>Dear friends, family and associates,
>
>As a former U.S. Marine, I once carried a rifle in our defense.
>I've two younger brothers in the military who now stand ready
>to cover that end of things. The firemen, doctors, rescue
>personnel, blood donors, the brave New Yorkers and others on the
>scene are giving what they have to give to the effort.
>Philosophers are fighting with the pen. The artists' tools are
>uniquely valuable as well.
>
>As a gallery owner, I offer what I have -- a single image to
>inspire, to counter the endless images of the destruction
>which we've all endured over the past days. This image stands
>in lucid contrast, in defiance of those who would destroy.
>It is a re-affirmation of who we are, of what we've created,
>of what we've built, of what we will rebuild and build higher
>yet, with unthwarted and unconquered determination. Those who
>would destroy us have not touched our essence.
>
>The image was posted on line only weeks ago, and is still on
>view at
>http://www.cordair.com/larsen/anewheight.htm
>
>My thanks to the artist, Bryan Larsen, who during the months
>in which others were plotting to destroy the World Trade Center,
>was busy creating, featuring the towers in an artwork which
>identifies and celebrates in theme all the towers stood for.
>The creation of this painting while others were targeting the
>painting's subject for destruction was no coincidence; there
>is no irony in the timing. Each side identified the WTC as a
>vital symbol of America in these times; one side sought to
>destroy that value, the other to celebrate it and build on it.
>In retrospect, the artwork stands in memorial. The World Trade
>Center was not fully appreciated, by many, until it was gone.
>
>May this image serve as inspiration as we recover and look to
>the future. Please feel welcome to share it with all, to remind
>ourselves, and the world, of who we are, undaunted and unbeaten.
>God bless America, those who built it, those who will build again,
>and higher.
>
>Quent Cordair
>
>Quent Cordair Fine Art
>http://www.cordair.com
>346 Lorton Ave
>Burlingame, CA 94010
>1.866.267.3247 // art-AT-
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ECDers --

The ECD list runs on a VMS workstation on my desk at work.  I am currently 
some 400 miles away from that workstation.  If the planes are actually flying
on Friday afternoon I will be much closer to it (and will have a chance of
actually attending the dance I'm supposed to be calling Friday night).

They're doing some network stuff at work on Saturday morning, and it's quite
likely that poor playford.slac.stanford.edu will be isolated for several
hours, and it may well crash.  If I'm back home on Saturday I can bring it back
up after the network stuff is done; if not, it will wait until I get back home.

So if you send email to the list on Saturday morning and nothing happens, 
DON'T SEND IT AGAIN.  Undelivered mail will wait at the site's email gateway
until playford.slac.stanford.edu is reachable.

This comes at an unfortunate time and is quite outside my control.  My
apologies.

-- Alan


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Hi folks:

For those interested in exploring resources for non-violent responses to
this horror and to violent event in general, I've been checking out:

http://www.stopviolence.com/

Peace,
Paul

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On Fri, 14 Sep 2001 steph-AT-
boo.net wrote:

 . . .

> I will be watching ABC this evening. . .

A reader to whom I passed on Gene's message observed that the day of
airing this program was in doubt, since Gene said "tomorrow" in a posting
made a bit after midnight.  I e-mailed Gene for clarification but
understandably haven't heard back from him yet.  Perhaps someone else on
the list knows for certain whether this is tonight or tomorrow night (but
I'll be watching tonight, too, if I don't hear otherwise).

Eric

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Friends,

I just returned from a special meeting of United Nations staff called by the 
Secretary General to pay tribute to those who lost their lives in Tuesday's 
attack and to offer sympathy and support to New York and the US, the UN's 
host city and country.  It was held in the General Assembly hall, which was 
full to capacity.  At the end of a very moving statement by Kofi Annan, he 
called for a minute of silence in which he suggested that we all hold hands 
in friendship and love.  A colleague who wasn't able to enter the overflowing 
hall said that groups of staff members were gathered around TV monitors in 
the hallways, all hand-in-hand.  It was again a message of peace for our 
local and global family.

It's comforting that Jessica Murrow, in her own anguish, has been able to 
convey that message, and I look forward to seeing her interview this evening.

I rarely post messages to the list (I'm pretty quiet in the non-virtual 
world, too!), but I do want to echo those who've said how helpful this list 
has been in this horrific week.  We're hand-in-hand, too, in our wonderfully 
supportive dance community.  

Love to all,
Carol Martinez
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Jessica, Gene and All,

I am awestruck by Jessica's courage, strength, compassion and love.

It seems that it should be obvious that responding to this with
violence directed at those who have no responsibility in it, but who
belong to the same ethnic group, or come from the same part of the
world, or who have the misfortune to live under regimes that foster
this, is only to repeat what has been done to us, denying the
humanity of individuals, treating them as nothing more than objects
on which to take out anger and hatred, and encouraging an endless
cycle of violence and revenge.  It seems that it should be so obvious
it does not need even to be said, but remarkably, it takes enormous
courage for people to say it at all.  For someone to stand up and say
that nationally, while suffering herself the worst possible loss from
this atrocity, strikes me as an act of inconceivable courage. 
Moreover, it displays the depth of Jessica's love for Steve, to be
willing to stand up and fight for those principles in the very midst
of her own grief.

Jessica, if there is hope for humanity, it is because of people such
as you.  Thank you for leading the way.

Barbara


--- Gene Murrow <gmurrow-AT-
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> Dear friends,
> 
> Many on the list have expressed the hope that the cycle of violence
> will
> not be extended yet again by brutal reactions from American forces.
> 
> This viewpoint will very likely get a national airing tomorrow. 
> This
> afternoon, my sister Jessica was interviewed by Barbara Walters of
> ABC
> News.  Expecting to hear the typical plea for help locating a
> missing
> loved one or some nationalistic sloganeering, Ms. Walters was
> surprised
> by and drawn into Jessica's description of Steve's known belief
> that the
> violent death of an innocent should never be avenged with yet more
> violence against innocents, and her conviction that Steve would be
> furious that such action would be taken in his name as a victim of
> this
> terrorist act.  Ms. Walters and her producers, knowing a story when
> they
> hear one, were talking of devoting some significant time to Steve's
> point
> of view as expressed by his surviving partner.
> 
> Of course anything can happen between the cutting room and the
> broadcast
> (and "significant time" in television terms simply means something
> more
> than a simple few-second sound bite) but the segment is scheduled
> to be
> aired on the ABC network at around 10:00 PM Eastern time.  It was
> built
> around the story of the Windows on the World restaurant, where
> Steve
> worked and which had as its mission welcoming and celebrating the
> many
> cultures of the world.
> 
> As in interesting aside, Jessica and Susan (my wife, who
> accompanied
> Jessica to the interview) were very impressed with Barbara
> Walters's
> sensitivity, focus, and extraordinary character and inter-personal
> skills, manifested in genuinely moving attitudes and conversations
> before
> and after the filmed interview.  She's a good, sincere person; it
> isn't
> all an act. 
> 
> Our thanks to all of you who have posted messages or sent messages
> off-line about Steve and in support of Jessica.  She is assembling
> them
> all for a print-out that she will present to Steve's mother as a
> remembrance.
> 
> With love,
> 
> Gene
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On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, Barbara Ruth wrote:

	. . . [equally relevant text previous text removed for brevity,
not content]

> I am awestruck by Jessica's courage, strength, compassion and love.
> Jessica, if there is hope for humanity, it is because of people such
> as you.  Thank you for leading the way.

Barbara, more than once in these days you have expressed your thoughts
with great eloquence, and more than once they have both mirrored and
extended my own.  Thank you.

Eric

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Re reading Gene's message -- even though he sent it at 3 am eastern time, 
which would be Friday (today) his reference to "this afternoon" was probably 
meant as Thursday (yesterday).  I would assume that BW's piece will run 
tonight (Friday). 

Suzanne

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I have been particularly moved by the support shown by other nations 
- in particular England and Canada and wanted to offer my personal 
thanks and perhaps thanks from others.

I had held it together pretty well until I saw the palace guards at 
Buckingham palace playing the national anthem and this scene was just 
mirrored by the large gathering of support in Ottawa.

Many thanks to our good friends.

Ron's in NYC now and called this morning to say he'd be starting a 
shift of work at the WTC at 4pm this afternoon.  He expects to return 
late Saturday or Sunday.

Mary Beth
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Dear friends,

The latest word from ABC is that the Barbara Walters story about Windows
on the World and interview with Jessica will air tonight (Friday,
September 14), either as part of a special edition of 20/20 at 10:00 PM
Eastern time OR possibly beginning at 8:00 PM as part of their continuous
coverage.

So... I guess the best idea is to monitor ABC starting at 8:00 or so,
looking out for notice of 20/20 or a Barbara Walters interview...

If we get any more specific info, I'll pass it along.

Thanks,

Gene
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Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote:

> This comes at an unfortunate time and is quite outside my control.  My
> apologies.

Given the recent events, that has become a mantra.  We're still not
positive how my husband is getting home.  At least he still has the
rental car he got Monday.

Travel safely,
--Charlene

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Dear friends,

    We have received dozens upon dozens of thoughtful letters of condolence from
eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union. These come from partners in the
program that brings many medical people to the U.S. and sends many of us over
there to improve the quality of care in our partners' health system (Nancy and I
were in the partnership with Albania). In these partnerships we have made fast
friends of former enemies. This is one fulfilment of Steve's insight.

--
Albert Blank & Nancy DeVore

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On Fri, 14 September 2001, Michael Serafin wrote:

> For your perusal:                                              
> www.objectivistcenter.org/pubs/dk_assault_on_civilization.asp  
> Michael

I haven't the time to respond to this, but I feel I must.  I was intrigued by the author's premise, but I found his conclusion deeply disturnbing.  

Briefly, he argues that the attack on the World Trade Center was a different class of terrorism.  He describes the attack on the twin towers as "an act of sheer destruction, for the sake of destruction" rather than "an effort, even a twisted effort, to redress the grievances of people who feel dispossessed."  He goes on to point out other examples, ranging from the unibomber to the Aum Shinrikyo sect in Japan, of what he calls a "nihilist subculture."  He concludes this section by vividly contrasting the nihilists from other assailants:

   "Civilization has always attracted parasites who 
   wanted to steal wealth from those who produce it. But 
   this phenomenon is different. The nihilists do not 
   seek wealth for themselves. They want to destroy the 
   wealth of others. They do not seek freedom from 
   domination. They want to abolish freedom. They do not 
   seek a place at the table of world commerce. They 
   want to smash the table. They do not seek a better 
   life. They glory in death. They represent the worst 
   form of envy, the most vicious form of human evil. 
   They hate us not for our sins but for our virtues, 
   and they will not be appeased."

He then moves on to conclude that we should abandon "the policy of trying to counter terrorism by negotiation" and instead should resort to the use of force "to render them incapable of posing any further threat."  What disturbs me is how smoothly he makes this sound like a logical conclusion.  But, if we look more carefully it is faulty logic.  Breaking it down briefly, his argument is:

- You can't reason with nihilists.
- Nihilists are terrorists.
- Therefore, you can't reason with any terrorists.

Even broader than that, the author claims that you can't counter terrorism with  a policy of negotition.  I would submit just the opposite--that you cannot counter terrorism without a policy of negotiation.  As long as governments place politics before social justice, as long as they arrogantly refuse to listen to genuine grievances, people will continue to be driven to hopelessness and some to violence.  Mosst of us are blessed to live in a land and in a time where we are not called upon to decide when violence is a justifiable response to an unaddressed grievance.  I wonder, however, how I would have responded to the events leading up to the American Revolution.  

The author is probably right that there are groups and individuals with whom negotiation would be fruitless.  But, it does not follow that we should cease the use of negotiation to counter terrorism.  I'm not suggesting rewarding terrorists with consessions.  I am suggesting that listening and genuine attempts to understand and to address grievances can go a long way toward providing hope and preventing issues from getting that far out of hand in the first place.  Once violence begins, opposing parties take intractable positions and the cycle cannot be broken without great courage and leadership on both sides.  

I've written far too much off topic and none of it expresses how overwhelmed I am by the enormity of the tragedy.  I would like to express the depth of my remorse and sympathy for all those touched by the tragedy.  Perhaps later I will find the words.  For now, 

love to all, 
Rich Galloway
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> I've written far too much off topic 

Rich, this is totally _on_ topic for this horrendous week.  We've got to
be able to talk about what we think and feel in order to try to cope
with the incomprehensible brutality that's been inflicted upon our
nation and the innocent lives we've lost.  I think the list has been a
help to all of us...reading some of the eloquent postings which have
touched a chord within us.

so please, keep writing.  It's on topic.

Love, hugs, and continued tears and disbelief,

Deb Karl
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Can any of those on the list who have the equipment and know-how
record this in a form that could be played on the web?  It sounds
like something that many of us would want to circulate.

Barbara

--- Gene Murrow <gmurrow-AT-
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> Dear friends,
> 
> The latest word from ABC is that the Barbara Walters story about
> Windows
> on the World and interview with Jessica will air tonight (Friday,
> September 14), either as part of a special edition of 20/20 at
> 10:00 PM
> Eastern time OR possibly beginning at 8:00 PM as part of their
> continuous
> coverage.
> 
> So... I guess the best idea is to monitor ABC starting at 8:00 or
> so,
> looking out for notice of 20/20 or a Barbara Walters interview...
> 
> If we get any more specific info, I'll pass it along.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Gene
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To all our friends in the dance world:

These last days have been so trying for all of us.  And here in Canada, we
share with you the sorrow, the fear and the revulsion that must be felt so
deeply in all of your hearts.  The images of fire and disaster are etched in
our minds forever.  So, too, are the images of heroism and bravery.  As
we've watched the events unfold, we were saddened even more when we learned
that members of our dance community were among those lost.  We've also
trembled at some of the hatred that has begun to pour out against those who,
in any way, look similar to those suspected of these atrocities.  We've also
trembled a bit at the simplistic kind of sabre rattling that has been the
response of some.

But there has been one ray of light that shone through all of this, and it
came in the messages that have been exchanged on this list.  Ours is, indeed
a community of caring and a community of concern.  If we could only find a
way to build more communities like ours in the world, there might not be a
need for the continuing fear that I suspect we all harbour.  For me, the
messages of caring and compassion shed a bright light on exactly why we
exist as a dance community.  Yes, we do exist to preserve and sustain a
valued "tradition".  Yes, we do exist to train leaders and musicians.  But,
above all, your messages showed me that we exist, above all, to build and
sustain communities of caring and concern, of joy and celebration, in a
world that too often is devoid of those virtues.  So let's continue to
dance, and let's make sure that our dances are dances of love, caring and
compassion, so that our communities of dance can continue to give us all a
bit of hope in a world where hope has been severely dashed.

Tom & Anne Siess

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*********************
From: Barbara Ruth <barbararuth-AT-
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Subject: Re: Jessica's Interview
 
Can any of those on the list who have the equipment and know-how
record this in a form that could be played on the web?  It sounds
like something that many of us would want to circulate.

Barbara
*********************

Barbara,
I wonder whether you realize that that request is one for a blatant
copyright violation?

Hanny
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We agree to abide by civility and laws here, no copyright violations here
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> 
> 
> *********************
> From: Barbara Ruth <barbararuth-AT-
rocketmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Jessica's Interview
>  
> Can any of those on the list who have the equipment and know-how
> record this in a form that could be played on the web?  It sounds
> like something that many of us would want to circulate.
> 
> Barbara
> *********************
> 
> Barbara,
> I wonder whether you realize that that request is one for a blatant
> copyright violation?
> 
> Hanny
> 

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> Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote:

> > This comes at an unfortunate time and is quite outside my control.  My
> > apologies.

> Given the recent events, that has become a mantra.  We're still not
> positive how my husband is getting home.  At least he still has the
> rental car he got Monday.

> Travel safely,
> --Charlene

I am now home.  (After having the third flight to San Jose cancelled out from
under me, I jumped on the next plane going to San Francisco and took the
shuttle home.  I'm theoretically in time to call the Regency dance, too, if 
my roommate comes back to the house with my car in the next fifteen minutes.)

Best of luck to all.

-- Alan


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I just finished watching the Barbara Walters feature that included the
interview with Jessica Murrow Adams - a moving story to say the least - and
good to hear a compassionate point of view.

I do a weekly email newsletter pertaining to dance and related items of
interest - to about 330 addressees - many of whom forward it on to their own
lists - one radio station sends it on to their list of about 350.  During
the floods in Houston in June I send out a series of flood reports comprised
of stories of support, sharing, and practical sources of help - these were
well received; the June floods seemed truly terrible but pale in comparison
to events this week.  This week again I've done the same thing again with
the Sept. 11 tragedies - collecting and sending on words of hope,
encouragement, etc. (I've included a number of the wonderful messages that
have been on this list as well as some from the Strathspey Server - Scottish
dance) as well as offerings from people on my newsletter list; some of these
I've collected at:
http://home.att.net/~diannashipman/Sept11Tragedies.html

I love to dance - but even more I enjoy the sense of community that dancing
can create.

A thank you to all those who have shared so generously,

Dianna

Dianna L. Shipman
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I just discovered that if you go to the ABC website at
http://abcnews.go.com/
and click on ABC News Special Report Live Now (right hand column) - it
displays a video of tonight's program (it uses Real Player - which I think
can be downloaded for free if you don't have it).

Dianna

Houston, Texas

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Dear Gene

I read your postings to ECD about Steve and about Jessica's 
interview.  I count myself lucky to have known both of them via camp, 
but wasn't prepared for the pain of seeing Jessica on TV holding a 
photo of Steve.  Bravo to Jessica for speaking through her personal 
pain to make known their convictions.

I took the liberty of posting part of your post to a small quilting 
list I belong to.  I think we're all struggling with what comes next. 
One member who is Israeli wrote angrily on Tuesday morning and many, 
myself included, were deeply hurt by her words and suggestions. 
Surely there are other ways to approach what must be done without 
blind retaliation and anger; without turning towards what has been 
done here to us.

I wanted to offer Jessica's example as hope that we can find a better 
way to resolve this terrible situation without losing ourselves along 
the way.

My thoughts and prayers are with all of you as we continue on in 
these sad times.

Mary Beth Goodman
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ECDers --

They've finished the network re-work and the power is back on; I came in to 
the office to reboot playford.slac.stanford.edu, and I write to you from that
system.

If you've gotten this, you know the ECD list is available again.

-- Alan


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All of my, and Christoffer's, many friends on the ECD list -

Thank you so much for keeping us in your thoughts and prayers.  It
really is an enormous help and comfort.

Chris's dad, Mikael Carstanjen, has set up a memorial fund - we haven't
as yet decided to where it should go...I'm lobbying for a CDSS
scholarship and he is leaning towards a computer scholarship at Chris's
high school.  Chris shared different relationships with each of us - for
me, he was my child and a fellow dancer, for his dad, a son and a
companion computer geek.

Then there was Chris's new-found world of his Honda PC800 motorcycle
buddies - most of whom neither of us knew.

The address is:

Christoffer Carstanjen Memorial Fund
Cape Cod 5 Bank
c/o Paige Pennypacker
PO Box 86
Orleans, MA 02653-0086

Again, thank you all -

Love, Mary Jones
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Rats!  I missed  the segment.  Did anyone get it on tape?

Nilos
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Hi folks:

The St. Louis English Country Dancers had their scheduled Friday night dance
last night; we decided to dance in celebration of life, and sent out an
e-mail to that effect. Before the dance, we lit a candle, which burned
through the evening in remembrance of loss and suffering.

To Gene Murrow: Please, pass on to your sister Jessica, not only my deepest
sympathy, but also my deepest thanks for the moral courage and clarity she
showed in publicly disavowing the drumbeats toward a war of retribution.

I'm moved and encouraged by the discussion I hear around me -- *especially*
on this listserv -- that rejects the simplistic solution of striking back
blindly and thoughtlessly. Listening to "in-the-street" interviews on NPR
Thursday, I was struck by the fact that at least half of the respondents
were dubious about retaliation. Nothing like a scientific sample of course,
but it's interesting that these responses came from Laramie, Wyoming, not
noted as a hotbed of pacifism or liberalism.

So what's to do? It's still necessary to respond to this terrible crime.
Perhaps it's time for a movement toward bringing the murderers and their
backers (once identified) to trial in The Hague for crimes against humanity
rather than sponsoring retributive war. It's not impossible; Milosevic is
there now. What a statement that would make about the rule of law and
decency in the world!

Peace,
Paul

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Jocelyn may be getting a copy from Susan Murrow....


Tideswell-AT-
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> 
> Rats!  I missed  the segment.  Did anyone get it on tape?
> 
> Nilos
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Dear Friends--
   Country Dance*New York just held its regular Saturday contradance with 
Donna Hunt calling (musicians were Paul Friedman, Jim Norman and Cynthia 
Shaw).  We were not at our regular location--which, in an odd way--helped 
ease the hole in our hearts.  I was working the door, so I can say with 
great certainty that the expressions on people's faces changed over the 
course of the evening.  I arrived wondering how I would ever be able to 
smile again; other people walked in looking equally shaken.  There was much 
hugging--longer, stronger hugs than usual.
   Before the break, we held a Quaker-style circle, with people contributing 
from the silence.  We remembered those who now dance with us only in spirit, 
and held hands in the hope of peace.  Several people commented on the 
healing power of dance and music.  It meant a lot to me knowing that our 
circle was just one of many taking place this week.
   We all have a long road ahead of us repairing the tear in the fabric of 
the world.  We are community--from each of you I draw strength to stitch, 
one dance at a time.  And I count it a blessing that I have people known and 
unknown with whom to share both sorrow and joy.

And now I'm going to bed.  Or, as my parents would say when I was little, 
it's time for the Featherbed Ball.

--Orly

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I am just home from this evening's Portland Contra dance.
Maureen Collier was supposed to be calling here tonight and in
Seattle last night and Woody Lane was supposed to be calling in
Vancouver BC this weekend. Because border crossings have
stretched to five hours or more the last few days, they swapped
venues. The band was Dan Compton, Rob Barrick, and Fran Slefer.
We, too, had a circle, a little before the break. After we
joined in a circle, Woody read a poem by Woody Guthrie, then Rob
played a lament on the bagpipes while we stood silently holding
hands. If I can find the poem I will share it with the list.
After the bagpipe lament, we danced a circle mixer so that
everyone would get a few moments to dance with each person.

Andy

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A friend just called me to tell me that there's a paragraph on our 
two lost ones on page 23 of this morning's NYTimes.  I haven't found 
it on the web yet, but you might check it out if you want. 
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On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Paul Stamler wrote:

	.	.	.

> So what's to do? It's still necessary to respond to this terrible crime.
> Perhaps it's time for a movement toward bringing the murderers and their
> backers (once identified) to trial in The Hague for crimes against humanity
> rather than sponsoring retributive war. It's not impossible; Milosevic is
> there now. What a statement that would make about the rule of law and
> decency in the world!

Paul, I've differed with you on this list numerous times in the past,
sometimes quite vehemently, but here I'm with you completely.  If we could
just get this message to those who would be this country's leaders...

Eric

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<<> So what's to do? It's still necessary to respond to this terrible crime.
> Perhaps it's time for a movement toward bringing the murderers and their
> backers (once identified) to trial in The Hague for crimes against
humanity
> rather than sponsoring retributive war. It's not impossible; Milosevic is
> there now. What a statement that would make about the rule of law and
> decency in the world!

Paul, I've differed with you on this list numerous times in the past,
sometimes quite vehemently, but here I'm with you completely.  If we could
just get this message to those who would be this country's leaders...>>

I know -- the question, of course, is how.

Peace,
Paul

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I have mostly lurked here for a couple of years, learning a great deal that
has made me a better dancer and teacher/caller.  I thank you all for that.
This past week you have given me so much more and I deeply appreciate all of
you--especially Alan who makes this forum possible. Your words of comfort
and connection and care have inspired and consoled me. Your ideas helped my
contra dance community find a way to both grieve and celebrate each other
Friday night. (In addtion to a candlelight circle during the break, we
raised $1462 for the Red Cross.) And I have shared some of your messages
with other dance friends who don't subscribe. I have met and danced with
only a few of you; now any of you I meet on the dance floor in the future
will seem like long lost friends.
Bree Kalb

----- Original Message -----
: List is back on-line


> ECDers --
>
> They've finished the network re-work and the power is back on; I came in
to
> the office to reboot playford.slac.stanford.edu, and I write to you from
that
> system.
>
> If you've gotten this, you know the ECD list is available again.
>
> -- Alan
>
>
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Bree said

>I have mostly lurked here for a couple of years, learning a great deal
>that
>has made me a better dancer and teacher/caller.  I thank you all for that.
>This past week you have given me so much more and I deeply appreciate all
>of
>you--especially Alan who makes this forum possible. Your words of comfort
>and connection and care have inspired and consoled me. Your ideas helped
>my
>contra dance community find a way to both grieve and celebrate each other
>Friday night. (In addtion to a candlelight circle during the break, we
>raised $1462 for the Red Cross.) And I have shared some of your messages
>with other dance friends who don't subscribe. I have met and danced with
>only a few of you; now any of you I meet on the dance floor in the future
>will seem like long lost friends.

Bravo for you and your Friday night dance, Bree, what a great thing to do.  
And, yes, what you said.  This list has helped me keep my sanity this week.  

Nilos
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Dear Friends,



I have just read and signed the petition:



CALL FOR PEACE & JUSTICE!



In the aftermath of the ruthless attack on the World Trade Center

and Pentagon, we implore the leaders of the United States to

ensure that justice be served by protecting the innocent citizens

of all nations. We call for PEACE and JUSTICE, not revenge. 



Please help by signing this petition to be sent to President

Bush. It takes 30 seconds and will really help. Please follow

this link:



http://www.thePetitionSite.com/takeaction/224622495



The system centralizes signature collection to provide consolidated,

useful reports for petition authors and targets.



Paul, on the list-community for English Country dance, wrote, was replied to and wrote again as follows:

> So what's to do? It's still necessary to respond to this terrible crime.

> Perhaps it's time for a movement toward bringing the murderers and their

> backers (once identified) to trial in The Hague for crimes against

humanity

> rather than sponsoring retributive war. It's not impossible; Milosevic is

> there now. What a statement that would make about the rule of law and

> decency in the world!



Paul, I've differed with you on this list numerous times in the past,

sometimes quite vehemently, but here I'm with you completely. If we could

just get this message to those who would be this country's leaders...>>



I know -- the question, of course, is how.



Peace,

Paul



Perhaps this is one step?





Please forward this email to others you believe share your concern.



To view additional petitions, please click here:

http://www.thePetitionSite.com



Thank you,

Ruth Temple

San Francisco, CA







Total Signatures: 60,395

The 25 most recent signatures* as of 2:29 PM PDT Sep 16, 2001

# 60,395    9/16/01   2:29 PM   Anonymous, GB
# 60,394    9/16/01   2:29 PM   Sharad Chari, MI, US
# 60,393    9/16/01   2:29 PM   Susan Brison, VT, US
# 60,392    9/16/01   2:28 PM   Hans Pfister, PA, US
# 60,391    9/16/01   2:28 PM   Benedicte M., CA
# 60,390    9/16/01   2:28 PM   Rebecca Sadusky, FL, US
# 60,389    9/16/01   2:28 PM   Matthew Nelson, AZ, US
# 60,388    9/16/01   2:28 PM   Anonymous, AZ, US
# 60,387    9/16/01   2:28 PM   L. K. Hall-Smalley, CT, US
# 60,386    9/16/01   2:28 PM   C Malburg, AZ, US
# 60,385    9/16/01   2:28 PM   Anonymous, AT
# 60,384    9/16/01   2:28 PM   Anonymous, CA, US
# 60,383    9/16/01   2:28 PM   Anonymous, JP
# 60,382    9/16/01   2:28 PM   Lisa Abramovic, OR, US
# 60,381    9/16/01   2:28 PM   Anonymous, PT
# 60,380    9/16/01   2:28 PM   Jochen Kreischer, DE
# 60,379    9/16/01   2:28 PM   Bronwyn Thompson, AU
# 60,378    9/16/01   2:28 PM   Adonis Florides, CY
# 60,377    9/16/01   2:27 PM   Ellen Pavitt, AK, US
# 60,376    9/16/01   2:27 PM   Jeff Pekrul, CA, US
# 60,375    9/16/01   2:27 PM   Mandy Poolo, IL, US
# 60,374    9/16/01   2:27 PM   William Cunningham, US
# 60,373    9/16/01   2:27 PM   Christophe TARDY, FR
# 60,372    9/16/01   2:27 PM   Anonymous, NY, US
# 60,371    9/16/01   2:27 PM   Jason Davis, OR, US

To add your name you MUST use the PetitionSite.com web form located here:

   http://www.thePetitionSite.com/takeaction/224622495

*Signers may choose to hide their identity to the public.  Such names
will appear as "Anonymous" on the PetitionSite.com and advocacy emails
similar to this.

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also see www.vote.com

for a poorly worded question to vote on...
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It is more direct and effective to write directly to the White
House. This link will take you to a page where you can do this:
<http://capwiz.com/dnc/mail/compose/?id=20004&state=DC&lvl=F&type=PR>


Andy

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Dear Gene,

Paul and I are just back from vacation trying to absorb the horror of what
has happened. I've been incredibly grateful to the ECD community for
providing the one positive note in all the madness.

I was so sad to hear of the death of your brother-in-law.  I don't know
Jessica, but I am filled with admiration for her, partly because of her
convictions, so the opposite of the vengeful messages we have been getting
from so many other sources, partly having the courage to make a public
statement at a time of private grief-- to think of others, of the world,
when most people are folding inward to deal with their personal loss.

I don't know what to say really beyond that.  The shock and loss have been
devastating even to those who didn't know anyone personally who died in the
attacks. Our hearts are with you whose loss is more personal and immediate. 

Hugs and tears.   Victoria Bestock
Please check out our WEB site at  http://www.oz.net/~bestockp/


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Philippe Callens wrote:

> Vermont Friends (which I wrote) does not include a draw poussette.

He is right, of course, since he wrote the dance.
In my original posting I said:

> > I haven't cross checked with the
> > original dance descriptions to see if it's a proper draw poussette or
> > just something similar

The first figure of Philippe's dance has the 1st man drawing his partner so
that the 1st woman is in the centre of the set. Not even a quarter of a draw
poussette but it was the only way to describe the movement in my database
where I limit the number of codes for describing figures to 100.

Antony Heywood

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Golly! Fancy only having a hundred codes on your database for describing
dance movements. Perhaps musicians could learn from this.
yrs ABC
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Date: 17 September 2001 19:48
Subject: RE: Dances with Draw Poussette


Philippe Callens wrote:

> Vermont Friends (which I wrote) does not include a draw poussette.

He is right, of course, since he wrote the dance.
In my original posting I said:

> > I haven't cross checked with the
> > original dance descriptions to see if it's a proper draw poussette or
> > just something similar

The first figure of Philippe's dance has the 1st man drawing his partner so
that the 1st woman is in the centre of the set. Not even a quarter of a draw
poussette but it was the only way to describe the movement in my database
where I limit the number of codes for describing figures to 100.

Antony Heywood



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We have just set up a new event at Halsway Manor, Crowcombe, Somerset, UK; .
5th-7th April 2002, with John Meechan calling, and the band is none other
than everyone's favourite group of musicians: "Alterations", with Alison
Ellacott, Judy Cooper, Meg Winters and Bill.
Publicity will be out soon (next week) and bookings will start immediately.
Remember we are full with about 50 so if you want a bed at the manor it is
better to be first rather than last. En-suites are at a premium, but there
are plenty of B/B's down the road.
I am told this is the new "high energy" contra, so come all you young
(whoops) people, I mean everybody, of course.
Regards Alan
See www.halswaymanor.co.uk

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This story ran on page 6 of the Boston Globe on 9/16/2001.


PEAKS & VALLEYS

                 A moment's encounter lingers on

                 By B.J. Roche, 9/16/2001

I was in my office at the University of Massachusetts at
Amherst, where I teach a reporting class, when the tousled-
haired blond guy poked his head in my door. It was the
first day of the semester, and he was looking for a
colleague across the hall. He had found a CD drive to
replace a broken one in one of our department's computers.
He worked for the Office of Information Technologies on
campus, and I told him I liked his shirt, which had the
letters OIT followed by a giant exclamation point.  

"Did they give you that?" I asked. 

"Naw, we had to buy them," he said, and we both laughed. It
was one of those random workplace encounters you have a
dozen times a day, a problem solved, a joke and some banter
exchanged, seeyalater.  

Late Tuesday night I got word of a casualty--someone who
worked at UMass, in computers. My boss at my other job,
writing this column for the Globe, asked me to find out
about him. I didn't recognize the name, and called my
colleague from across the hall to see whether he knew the
guy: Christoffer Carstanjen. 

"Oh sure," he said. "He was a wonderful guy, and always
looking for ways to be helpful. I just talked to him last
week. He was always cannibalizing equipment in the
inevitable way that you have to do at UMass. He had come up
with a CD drive and was going to put it into one of the
machines." 

I had told the students that morning that chances were good
someone in the room or someone they knew would have lost a
loved one that day. I'm not sure they believed me. Born
under Reagan and raised on Bruce Willis, they've grown up
in a world in which civilizations crumble and no one gets
hurt.  
We talked about how a reporter goes about the most
difficult task of the trade: talking to a family who had
just lost someone. Even reporters working in the boondocks,
where nothing bad is supposed to ever happen, have to do
it. Often enough we reporters arrive at a family's door in
those shrinking, hollow hours after the news media learns
of a death, but before the family has received official
confirmation, and we're the last face they want to see. 

Other times, friends are eager to share memories, as they
did in Norfolk, Conn., a town of 2,200 that lost three
beloved residents in the crash of Egypt Air Flight 990 two
years ago.  

That's how it turned out with Christoffer Carstanjen. He
was 33, lived in Turners Falls in the northwestern corner
of the state, and he was a motorcycle fan, Honda not
Harley. He was a Morris Dancer, one of those guys who dress
up in bells and funny shorts and dance on Saturday
afternoons in downtown Brattleboro. He made people laugh.

"We were recalling some of the things he did and we were
just rolling on the floor laughing," said one of his former
co-workers, who stopped short, worried about how that
sounded. But what better legacy to leave behind? 

My daughter and I had a game we used to play when she was
younger: We'd sit out in the hillside next to our house and
watch the planes fly over, trying to guess where they were
heading. If they were going east, it was always Paris, if
west, California, maybe, or Alaska. We were were on our way
to school and work when Flight 175 flew over western
Massachusetts Tuesday. On any other day, maybe the guy I
met in the hall would have had a window seat and looked
down to try to spot his own house. Maybe he would have
thought about taking a motorcycle ride up our road when he
got home.  

B.J. Roche writes from western Massachusetts. E-mail
peaks-AT-
globe.com 

© Copyright 2001 Globe Newspaper Company. 



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Thank you. Lyrl for putting the article about Chris on this list.
Now, can anyone be so kind as to put the N.Y. Times article up.
I missed it and I'm sure there are others who would like to read it.
TIA

Martha

Martha Davey   25-14 37 ST,  Astoria, NY 11103
(718)278-4389   Call before sending a fax.
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Hello Martha and all,

Here's what Alice Feiring said on page 23 of the New York Times yesterday:

A Shared Fate
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Stephen Adams and Christoffer Carstanjen were longtime friends from Vermont
who had got to know each other through their membership on a folk dancing
team.  Mr. Adams moved to New York six months ago.  He and Mr. Carstanjen
reunited on Tuesday.  They never knew it.

Mr. Adams, 51, and knowledgeable about wine, was basking in his new job,
beverage manager at Windows on the World on the 107th floor of 1 World
Trade Center.  On Monday, he had sent friends an uncharacteristically
joyous e-mail: "Now I can afford to live like a human being." 

As Mr. Adams reported to work at 8 a.m. on Tuesday, Mr. Carstanjen, a
33-year-old computer research specialist at the University of
Massachusetts, was boarding United Airlines Flight 175 in Boston.  It was
one of the two jetliners commandeered by hijackers who crashed them into
the twin towers an hour later.

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I just got back from our first Madison, Wisconsin English Country Dance 
since the tragedy of last week.

We began the evening with "Peace be with you" using the MTM recording.  I 
quickly and quietly  explained my choice of dance and music and the 
relationships to New York.  "Michael and His Angels" followed, as did an a 
capella rendition of "Simple Gifts" led by one of our Quakers.

Here in the Midwest, we too are stunned...and like most of the world know 
not what to do or say.  Life is subdued.  Normally, driving home at 10:00 
is busy...tonight it was still very quiet on the roads although the schools 
and Univesity have restarted for the year.

We all extend our hearts to New York and elsewhere, and pray in our own 
ways that justice will prevail, pain will be lifted, and we all around the 
world of differing religions and nationalities can resume a civilized life.

Mike

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I just got back from our first Madison, Wisconsin English Country Dance
since the tragedy of last week.<br><br>
We began the evening with &quot;Peace be with you&quot; using the MTM
recording.&nbsp; I quickly and quietly&nbsp; explained my choice of dance
and music and the relationships to New York.&nbsp; &quot;Michael and His
Angels&quot; followed, as did an <i>a capella</i> rendition of
&quot;Simple Gifts&quot; led by one of our Quakers.<br><br>
Here in the Midwest, we too are stunned...and like most of the world know
not what to do or say.&nbsp; Life is subdued.&nbsp; Normally, driving
home at 10:00 is busy...tonight it was still very quiet on the roads
although the schools and Univesity have restarted for the year.<br><br>
We all extend our hearts to New York and elsewhere, and pray in our own
ways that justice will prevail, pain will be lifted, and we all around
the world of differing religions and nationalities can resume a civilized
life.<br><br>
Mike<br>
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We too just got back from our weekly English and Scottish country dance
in Ashland Oregon. We started out as usual and just before the break
made a circle for people to share thoughts. Then we did Peace Be with
You (also with MTM recording which is lovely). Michael and All Angels
was already on the program for the evening so we did that as our closing
dance. We all send out prayers and hope for peace and justice in the
world.

Brooke Friendly and Chris Sackett



Mike Mudrey wrote:

>  I just got back from our first Madison, Wisconsin English Country
> Dance since the tragedy of last week.
>
> We began the evening with "Peace be with you" using the MTM
> recording.  I quickly and quietly  explained my choice of dance and
> music and the relationships to New York.  "Michael and His Angels"
> followed, as did an a capella rendition of "Simple Gifts" led by one
> of our Quakers.
>
> Here in the Midwest, we too are stunned...and like most of the world
> know not what to do or say.  Life is subdued.  Normally, driving home
> at 10:00 is busy...tonight it was still very quiet on the roads
> although the schools and Univesity have restarted for the year.
>
> We all extend our hearts to New York and elsewhere, and pray in our
> own ways that justice will prevail, pain will be lifted, and we all
> around the world of differing religions and nationalities can resume a
> civilized life.
>
> Mike

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Thank you Tom and Anne, and many others who have expressed messages of peace and
harmony. Yes, the ECD list and the dance community have been my sanity too in
this trying week.  After listening to the radio, and hearing racist and
revengeful comments from some colleagues; I come home and check on the list for
reassurance that there are many who share a clearer, more humane approach.  I go
to dances and receive and give hugs of knowing, caring, understanding and
support. Our community is very special and it is the many little communities all
over the world that will make the difference.

Thank you all for being there and for doing your part. My sincere sympathy to
all who have lost friends and family, and to all of us who have lost a sense of
security and innocence. We will stand together in rebuilding our larger
communities. And we will dance.

Sandy Rotenberg


Tom Siess wrote:

> To all our friends in the dance world:
>
> These last days have been so trying for all of us.  And here in Canada, we
> share with you the sorrow, the fear and the revulsion that must be felt so
> deeply in all of your hearts.  The images of fire and disaster are etched in
> our minds forever.  So, too, are the images of heroism and bravery.  As
> we've watched the events unfold, we were saddened even more when we learned
> that members of our dance community were among those lost.  We've also
> trembled at some of the hatred that has begun to pour out against those who,
> in any way, look similar to those suspected of these atrocities.  We've also
> trembled a bit at the simplistic kind of sabre rattling that has been the
> response of some.
>
> But there has been one ray of light that shone through all of this, and it
> came in the messages that have been exchanged on this list.  Ours is, indeed
> a community of caring and a community of concern.  If we could only find a
> way to build more communities like ours in the world, there might not be a
> need for the continuing fear that I suspect we all harbour.  For me, the
> messages of caring and compassion shed a bright light on exactly why we
> exist as a dance community.  Yes, we do exist to preserve and sustain a
> valued "tradition".  Yes, we do exist to train leaders and musicians.  But,
> above all, your messages showed me that we exist, above all, to build and
> sustain communities of caring and concern, of joy and celebration, in a
> world that too often is devoid of those virtues.  So let's continue to
> dance, and let's make sure that our dances are dances of love, caring and
> compassion, so that our communities of dance can continue to give us all a
> bit of hope in a world where hope has been severely dashed.
>
> Tom & Anne Siess

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Dear Friends,

         A colleague of mine brought to my attention a letter that appeared 
in the Toronto Globe regarding U.S. plans to go to war with Afghanistan.  I 
am attaching the letter below.  It brings a perspective to the debate that 
I found valuable--and scary.

Gary Roodman


Dear Friends:

I've been hearing a lot of talk about "bombing Afghanistan back to the Stone
Age." Ronn Owens, on KGO Talk Radio today, allowed that this would mean
killing innocent people, people who had nothing to do with this atrocity,but
"we're at war, we have to accept collateral damage. What else can we do?"
Minutes later I heard some TV pundit discussing whether we "have the belly
to do what must be done."

And I thought about the issues being raised especially hard because I am
from Afghanistan, and even though I've lived here for 35 years I've never
lost track of what's going on there. So I want to tell anyone who will
listen how it all looks from where I'm standing.

I speak as one who hates the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden. There is no doubt
in my mind that these people were responsible for the atrocity in New York.
I agree that something must be done about those monsters.

But the Taliban and Ben Laden are not Afghanistan. They're not even the
government of Afghanistan. The Taliban are a cult of ignorant psychotics who
took over Afghanistan in 1997. Bin Laden is a political criminal with a
plan. When you think Taliban, think Nazis. When you think Bin Laden, think
Hitler. And when you think "the people of Afghanistan" think "the Jews in
the concentration camps." It's not only that the Afghan people had nothing
to do with this atrocity. They were the first victims of the perpetrators.
They would exult if someone would come in there, take out the Taliban and
clear out the rats nest of international thugs holed up in their country.

Some say, why don't the Afghans rise up and overthrow the Taliban? The
answer is, they're starved, exhausted, hurt, incapacitated, suffering.
A few years ago, the United Nations estimated that there are 500,000
disabled orphans in Afghanistan--a country with no economy, no food. There
are millions of widows. And the Taliban has been burying these widows alive
in mass graves. The soil is littered with land mines, the farms were all
destroyed by the Soviets. These are a few of the reasons why the Afghan
people have not overthrown the Taliban.

We come now to the question of bombing Afghanistan back to the Stone Age.
Trouble is, that's been done. The Soviets took care of it already.
Make the Afghans suffer? They're already suffering.

Level their houses? Done.
Turn their schools into piles of rubble? Done.
Eradicate their hospitals? Done.
Destroy their infrastructure? Cut them off from medicine and health care?
Too late. Someone already did all that.

New bombs would only stir the rubble of earlier bombs. Would they at least
get the Taliban? Not likely. In today's Afghanistan, only the Taliban eat,
only they have the means to move around. They'd slip away and hide.
Maybe the bombs would get some of those disabled orphans, they don't move
too fast, they don't even have wheelchairs. But flying over Kabul and
dropping bombs wouldn't really be a strike against the criminals who did
this horrific thing. Actually it would only be making common cause with the
Taliban--by raping once again the people they've been raping all this time.

So what else is there? What can be done, then? Let me now speak with true
fear and trembling. The only way to get Bin Laden is to go in there with
ground troops. When people speak of "having the belly to do what needs to be
done" they're thinking in terms of having the belly to kill as many as
needed. Having the belly to overcome any moral qualms about killing innocent
people. Let's pull our heads out of the sand. What's actually on the table
is Americans dying. And not just because some Americans would die fighting
their way through Afghanistan to Bin Laden's hideout. It's much bigger than
that folks. Because to get any troops to Afghanistan, we'd have to go
through Pakistan. Would they let us? Not likely. The conquest of Pakistan
would have to be first. Will other Muslim nations just stand by?
You see where I'm going. We're flirting with a world war between Islam and
the West.

And guess what: that's Bin Laden's program. That's exactly what he wants.
That's why he did this. Read his speeches and statements. It's all right
there. He really believes Islam would beat the west. It might seem
ridiculous, but he figures if he can polarize the world into Islam and the
West, he's got a billion soldiers. If the west wreaks a holocaust in those
lands, that's a billion people with nothing left to lose, that's even better
from Bin Laden's point of view. He's probably wrong, in the end the west
would win, whatever that would mean, but the war would last for years and
millions would die, not just theirs but ours.

Who has the belly for that? Bin Laden does. Anyone else?


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Gary -

Thanks for sharing this with this list.  I had seen the piece a few days ago 
when the public folklore listserv distributed it.  There is actually a url for 
those who would like to read it that way:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2001/09/14/afghanistan/

Quite a lot seems to be going on in DC as far as a growing peace movement.  
In addition to those of us here who are trying to do what we can to advocate 
moderation and non-violent approaches, many of the people who were going to be 
demonstrating during the IMF-World Bank meetings have shifted gears and begun 
to focus very hard on the present situation.  Folklorists are already beginning 
to document through photography of memorials and personal interviews the 
personal and cultural aspects of this tragedy; the Library of Congress American 
Folklife Center is going to be one of the repositories for this documentation 
effort.

I would personally appreciate hearing (off list) from anyone who knows of peace 
initiatives which need help through letter writing, etc.  I have already 
written to the President and my representatives.

Love (and peace) to all of you,
Stephanie

> Dear Friends,
> 
>          A colleague of mine brought to my attention a letter that appeared 
> in the Toronto Globe regarding U.S. plans to go to war with Afghanistan.  I 
> am attaching the letter below.  It brings a perspective to the debate that 
> I found valuable--and scary.
> 
> Gary Roodman


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I think it's necessary for any group that is advocating peace to make
extremely clear that the alternative to a U.S. war on Afghanistan is
NOT doing nothing.  It seems to me very clear that action has to be
taken to apprehend Bin Laden and his associates.  Even if we could
countenance turning the other cheek, as the letter cited makes clear,
Bin Laden's goal is to provoke an all-out world war. If he isn't
stopped this time, he will only do more to try to provoke the
situation.  

But it is equally clear that this is a time when the world
desperately needs for the U.S. to not act unilaterally.  The entire
world is scared right now, and willing as never before to work
together to end this threat.  Even the government of Pakistan, the
biggest supporter of the Taliban, is scared enough to work
cooperatively to try to bring Bin Laden to justice, but they have to
balance whatever they do publicly with their own fundamentalist
population, and the possibility of internal destabilization which
could then ignite that very war. We need to call for an International
Tribunal to make it clear that this is not simply about the U.S.
seeking individual vengence but the world acting to protect itself,
remembering that Bin Laden has been doing these things, although on a
smaller scale, in other countries for the past 10 years, and they are
as eager as we to see him brought to justice.  We need to work with
other nations, as a PARTNER, not just as the biggest kid on the block
telling everyone else what we want done, respecting the injuries they
have suffered, and being aware of the political situations in other
countries, and that our actions could have devastating consequences.

This is truly a moment, comparable to the Cuban Missle Crisis, when
the fate of the world hangs in the balance.  And now the ghost of
Florida haunts us.  Instead of a leader of intelligence, who
understands the need for diplomacy and cooperation, we have a
swaggering fool who uses wild west rhetoric, and imagines himself as
President in some sort of action-adventure movie, where he can act
like the lone sheriff of "High Noon" and win the day because we are
after all the good guys.

I fear for us all.


--- steph-AT-
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> Gary -
> 
> Thanks for sharing this with this list.  I had seen the piece a few
> days ago 
> when the public folklore listserv distributed it.  There is
> actually a url for 
> those who would like to read it that way:
> http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2001/09/14/afghanistan/
> 
> Quite a lot seems to be going on in DC as far as a growing peace
> movement.  
> In addition to those of us here who are trying to do what we can to
> advocate 
> moderation and non-violent approaches, many of the people who were
> going to be 
> demonstrating during the IMF-World Bank meetings have shifted gears
> and begun 
> to focus very hard on the present situation.  Folklorists are
> already beginning 
> to document through photography of memorials and personal
> interviews the 
> personal and cultural aspects of this tragedy; the Library of
> Congress American 
> Folklife Center is going to be one of the repositories for this
> documentation 
> effort.
> 


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<<I think it's necessary for any group that is advocating peace to make
extremely clear that the alternative to a U.S. war on Afghanistan is
NOT doing nothing.  It seems to me very clear that action has to be
taken to apprehend Bin Laden and his associates.  Even if we could
countenance turning the other cheek, as the letter cited makes clear,
Bin Laden's goal is to provoke an all-out world war. If he isn't
stopped this time, he will only do more to try to provoke the
situation.  >>

He will -- or his organization will, since it's becoming clear that bin
Laden is the faciliator and coordinator of a large and very decentralized
organization.

<<But it is equally clear that this is a time when the world
desperately needs for the U.S. to not act unilaterally.  The entire
world is scared right now, and willing as never before to work
together to end this threat.  Even the government of Pakistan, the
biggest supporter of the Taliban, is scared enough to work
cooperatively to try to bring Bin Laden to justice, but they have to
balance whatever they do publicly with their own fundamentalist
population, and the possibility of internal destabilization which
could then ignite that very war. We need to call for an International
Tribunal to make it clear that this is not simply about the U.S.
seeking individual vengence but the world acting to protect itself,
remembering that Bin Laden has been doing these things, although on a
smaller scale, in other countries for the past 10 years, and they are
as eager as we to see him brought to justice.  We need to work with
other nations, as a PARTNER, not just as the biggest kid on the block
telling everyone else what we want done, respecting the injuries they
have suffered, and being aware of the political situations in other
countries, and that our actions could have devastating consequences.>>

Indeed. In a letter to another correspondent, I drew this analogy:

"I look at bin Laden and his crew as gangsters, particularly vicious ones
who
operate on a grand scale, but gangsters nonetheless. For the most part, we
don't deal with gangsters the way we did Dillinger; instead, we get them by
freezing their assets, digging into their bank accounts, cultivating stool
pigeons, prosecuting them under RICO and similar laws, and throwing their
miserable asses in jail for life. Not very glamorous, but it works -- ask
John Gotti. For that matter, on the other side, ask Rudolph Giuliani. The
nations of the world have done it with the Lockerbie murderers, they're
beginning to do it with at least some of the murderers in Rwanda, and
Slobodan Milosevic is awaiting trial for crimes against humanity. I'd love
to see bin Laden and his crew next in the docket, and it may -- may -- be
possible to get him and his henchmen there without a full-scale war against
Afghanistan, a nation which has been successfully repelling armies for two
centuries."

It's a difficult task, to say the least, but it may not be an impossible
one. At the very least, it's a possible goal to present as an alternative to
mindless retaliation or endless, open-ended warfare.

Peace,
Paul


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Thanks Barbara for your thoughtful and beautifully written messages this
week. 

The ECD list has been the only consolation during these dark times--
despite the turmoil and hatred in the world I belong to a group of loving
friends, some whose faces I've never seen, many who live across the
country, all of whom are committed to the concept of community, whose
purpose is to come together to connect to others more deeply through dance
and music. It is no surprise to me that the messages from this amazing
group of people have all pleaded for moderation, for non-retaliation, for
avoidance of war. 

Back in the days of the cold war I read an article about Russian early
childhood education.  The writer was opposed to the Russian ideals of
valuing community over individualism, and gave as an example of this
pervasive evil philosophy, the fact that the Russians were making toys for
tots that could only be worked by more than one child.  Some took four
hands to push buttons for example, or some required one child to pull
something at the same time as the other child worked a dial.  If a kid
wanted to play with a toy, he had to find someone else to do it with him,
and they had to cooperate in playing with it or it wouldn't work.  At the
time, and despite the negative editorializing about it, I thought it was a
cool idea.  

ECD is one of those toys.  You can't play Fandango without 5 other people.
You can't do it alone.  It isn't even enough to do your part right, you
have to help everyone else do their part right and in sync with you and the
music or it doesn't work and your own experience will be unsatisfactory.
The dance form has preselected us-- we are all prone to cooperation and
community, and its never been more apparent than this week. 

Thanks to all of you for being there, for your messages of love, peace and
hope that have been flowing through the list. You have been the only
positive note in this week of chaos, fear and loss, and I'm infinately
grateful to all of you.

Love, Victoria Bestock, Seattle.    

  
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Barbara,

eloquently and intelligently spoken, but I don't totally agree.  I'm fine
with the first two paragraphs, but here's where I started to part company:

> Instead of a leader of intelligence, who
> understands the need for diplomacy and cooperation, we have a
> swaggering fool

My own view of President Bush's actions in the last few days, his public
statements aside, is that he and his team have been doing exactly what we
all want, pursuing all diplomatic means with great vigor and urgency
(including with the Pakistanis), trying to build a world-wide coalition to
get the horrible perpetrators brought to justice.  I don't believe Bush
wants massive loss of innocent First World or Third World lives, or war (new
or old kind) any more than the rest of us. (For the record, I'm not counting
bin Laden and his associates as "us.")  Furthermore, over past months I have
come to trust Bush's judgment as being generally sound, so I just can't see
him as a fool, and I haven't observed anything in the last week that I'd
call swaggering.

I hope and fervently pray that he and his team are up to the daunting task
history has handed them.  Sort of reminds me of Moses, Harry Truman, and
other leaders in history who when first approached might not have seemed
terribly qualified for their assigned jobs.  :-)

>who uses wild west rhetoric, and imagines himself as

er, I don't think any of us can know how another person imagines himself.  I
understand, Barbara, how agonized and frightened you feel...as do I, God
knows, but be careful you don't scare yourself more than necessary.  And
just maybe the rhetoric is actually helping the diplomatic efforts.

Let's all keep hope in our hearts, keep up the dancing and expressions of
love and friendship and community, hug all our friends and loved ones
whenever possible, and learn to be as alert to suspicious activity as the
Israelis have learned to be.

still mourning our losses, especially Chris and Steve, and wishing safety
and health and peace for all of you,
Joyce Crouch
Amherst, MA
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I don't know if this is truly happening...and question whether
satellites could pick up candles thru the light pollution...but thought
I'd pass it on, since Friday's candles looked so good.

>  
> 10:30 EASTERN TIME.... 9:30 Central, 8:30 Mountain,
> 7:30 Pacific 
>  I  just heard on the radio that the U.S. has asked
> that everyone step
> out 
> on their lawns tonight at 10:30 and light a candle. 
> They will be taking
> a satellite picture of the U.S. and posting it on
> the news tomorrow 
> morning. 
>  
> Please pass this on to as many people as possible. 
>  


Deb Karl
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Barbara said:  "This is truly a moment, comparable to the Cuban Missle
Crisis, when the fate of the world hangs in the balance.  And now the ghost
of Florida haunts us.  Instead of a leader of intelligence, who understands
the need for diplomacy and cooperation, we have a swaggering fool who uses
wild west rhetoric, and imagines himself as President in some sort of
action-adventure movie, where he can act like the lone sheriff of "High
Noon" and win the day because we are
after all the good guys.  I fear for us all."



Hi All -- My name is Cara Friedman and I'm new to the list and am grateful
to be among such a diverse and talented crowd.  I've only read recent
postings and am also deeply grieved by the tragedy that has struck those on
this list and other of my close friends.  May G-d comfort you at this very
difficult time.

I haven't responded to the postings, as I disagree with a number of them.
However, I did want to respond to Barbara's post.

Let me start my saying that in college, a wise debate coach once told me:
"If a person is ill-informed and ill-equipped to discuss the issues at hand,
they usually resort to name-calling.  And that's a no-no."  That being said,
I haven't seen nor heard ANY of the rhetoric you've implied that Bush has
said.  I know he's used the term "acts of war", but nothing else.  All of
his advisors are sharp, intelligent and calm men.  None of them has a
history of acting rashly.  If the President imagined himself in an action
movie, he would have acted already.  However, he hasn't and has stated that
this "war" could take "years."  What that tells me is it will be a slow
process to get at Osama et al.  It does NOT tell me that we're going in like
gang-busters and blowing up innocent people continuously for the next 3
years.  However, just remember that over 5,000 of OUR innocent people have
just been destroyed, with family members left WITHOUT mothers, fathers,
children and ways to pay for homes, food, etc.

Barbara, I thought your email was rather good, making valid points about the
present information we have regarding the military/political situation . . .
until I reached the above paragraph.  I find it unnerving to hear such
disrespectful talk about our President, regardless of who it is.  President
Bush is not a "fool", as you so graciously put it.  True, he is not a great
orator like FDR.  However NEITHER WAS HARRY TRUMAN.  Truman, from what I've
read, didn't have close to half the ability FDR had to bring a crowd to its
feet and his voice was so whining that people couldn't stand to listen to
him.  They wanted FDR back in.  However, the qualities he DID have were
tenacity and resolve.  And I believe President Bush has that also.

I've been reading some of the comments people made equating Bush's inability
to dazzle crowds with his inability to carry out the office of
Commander-In-Chief.  One has nothing to do with the other.  Let's put it
this way:  I believe he CAN do it with the help of a very capable and
brilliant cabinet to advise him.

You use the term "I fear for us all."  Why?  What has happened so far that
would cause you to say that?  I'll agree the media has done much to
instigate this feeling, but let's look at this calmly.  NATO, a usually
docile group, BACKED THE U.S. in an unprecedented exclamation of support
that would NOT rule out military action.  To me that sounds pretty level
headed.  No one as yet has acted rashly and I haven't seen any quotes from
Bush or the administration that would imply that.  So far all I've read is
how the FBI/CIA are trying to find the members of terrorist groups in the
U.S.  And from all the polls that I've read and seen online, there has been
a minimum of 60 to 83% overwhelming support of the American people to get
bin Laden using military action.  That includes a Zogby poll that was put
out over the weekend.  I see no reason to believe the worst at this point.
One must consider ALL the consequences, yes, but nothing has been decided
yet, so there's no reason to gather your belongings and head for the hills.

Let's wait and see what the administration will do.  It's seems to me to be
moving calmly, rationally and intelligently.  It's best to read media
reports with a grain of salt, as they can put out misinformation and cause
mass hysteria as easily as anyone.

Most respectfully and sincerely,

Cara Friedman


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I offer my condolences to all those who are suffering.

I received this message below, forwarded from a friend in Sweden...

Alan Corkett
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Date: 18 September 2001 19:07
Subject: Two more interesting viewpoints?


>1."Bomb them with butter, bribe them with hope"
>_____
>
>A military response, particularly an attack on Afghanistan, is exactly what
the terrorists want.  It will strengthen and swell their small but fanatical
ranks.
>
>Instead, bomb Afghanistan with butter, with rice, bread, clothing and
medicine.  It will cost less than conventional arms, poses no threat of US
casualties and just might get the populace thinking that maybe the Taliban
don't have the answers.  After three years of drought and with starvation
looming, let's offer the Afghani people the vision of a new future. One that
includes full stomachs.
>
>Bomb them with information. Video players and cassettes of world leaders,
>particularly Islamic leaders, condemning terrorism.  Carpet the country
with magazines and newspapers showing the horror of terrorism committed by
their "guest".  Blitz them with laptop computers and DVD players filled with
a perspective that is denied them by their government.
>Saturation bombing with hope will mean that some of it gets through.  Send
so much that the Taliban can't collect and hide it all.
>
>The Taliban are telling their people to prepare for Jihad. Instead, let's
give the Afghani people their first good meal in years.  Seeing your family
fully fed and the prospect of stability in terms of food and a future is a
powerful deterrent to martyrdom. All we ask in return is that they, as a
people, agree to enter the civilized world.  That includes
>handing over terrorists in their midst.
>
>In responding to terrorism we need to do something different. Something
unexpected ... something that addresses the root of the problem.  We need to
take away the well of despair, ignorance and brutality from which the Osama
bin Laden's of the world water their gardens of terror.
>>Kent Madin
>______________
>______________
>
>2.
>An Afghani's thoughts
>_____
>
>I've been hearing a lot of talk about "bombing Afghanistan back to the
Stone Age." Ronn Owens, on KGO Talk Radio today, allowed that this would
mean killing innocent people, people who had nothing to do with this
atrocity, but "we're at war, we have to accept collateral damage. What else
can we do?" Minutes later I heard some TV pundit discussing whether we "have
the belly to do what must be done." And I thought about the issues being
raised especially hard because I am from Afghanistan, and even though I've
lived here for 35 years I've never lost track of what's going on there. So I
want to tell anyone who will listen how it all looks from where I'm
standing. I speak as one who hates the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden.
>There is no doubt in my mind that these people were responsible for the
atrocity in New York. I agree that something must be done about those
monsters. But the Taliban and Ben Laden are not Afghanistan.
>They're not even the government of Afghanistan. The Taliban are a cult of
ignorant psychotics who took over Afghanistan in 1997. Bin Laden is a
political criminal with a plan. When you think Taliban, think Nazis. When
you think Bin Laden, think Hitler. And when you think "the people of
Afghanistan" think "the Jews in the concentration camps."  It's not only
that the Afghan people had nothing to do with this atrocity. They were the
first victims of the perpetrators. They would exult if someone would come in
there, take out the Taliban and clear out the rats' nest of international
thugs holed up in their country. Some say, why don't the Afghans rise up and
overthrow the Taliban? The answer is, they're starved, exhausted, hurt,
incapacitated, suffering. A few years ago, the United Nations estimated that
there are 500,000 disabled orphans in >Afghanistan--a country with no
economy, no food. There are millions of widows. And the Taliban has been
burying these widows alive in mass graves. The soil is littered with land
mines, the farms were all destroyed by the Soviets. These are a few of the
reasons why the Afghan people have not overthrown the Taliban. We come now
to the
>question of bombing Afghanistan back to the Stone Age. Trouble is, that's
been done. The Soviets took care of it already. Make the Afghans suffer?
They're already suffering. Level their houses? Done.
>Turn their schools into piles of rubble? Done. Eradicate their hospitals?
Done. Destroy their infrastructure? Cut them off from medicine and health
care? Too late. Someone already did all that.
>
>New bombs would only stir the rubble of earlier bombs. Would they at least
get the Taliban? Not likely. In today's Afghanistan, only the Taliban eat,
only they have the means to move around. They'd slip away and hide.
>
>Maybe the bombs would get some of those disabled orphans, they don't move
too fast, they don't even have wheelchairs. But flying over Kabul and
dropping bombs wouldn't really be a strike against the criminals who did
this horrific thing. Actually it would only be making common cause with the
Taliban--by raping once again the
>people they've been raping all this time.
>
>So what else is there? What can be done, then? Let me now speak with true
fear and trembling. The only way to get Bin Laden is to go in there with
ground troops. When people speak of "having the belly to do what needs to be
done" they're thinking in  terms of having the belly to kill as many as
needed. Having the belly to overcome any
>moral qualms about killing innocent people. Let's pull our heads out of the
sand. What's actually on the table is Americans dying. And not just because
some Americans would die fighting their way through Afghanistan to Bin
Laden's hideout.
>
>It's much bigger than that folks. Because to get any troops to Afghanistan,
we'd have to go through Pakistan. Would they let us?
>Not likely. The conquest of Pakistan would have to be first. Will other
Muslim nations just stand by? You see where I'm going. We're flirting with a
world war between Islam and the West. And guess what: that's Bin Laden's
program. That's exactly what he wants.
>
>That's why he did this. Read his speeches and statements. It's all right
there. He really believes Islam would beat the west. It might seem
ridiculous, but he figures if he can polarize the world into Islam and the
West, he's got a billion soldiers. If the west wreaks
>a holocaust in those lands, that's a billion people with nothing left to
lose, that's even better from Bin Laden's point of view. He's probably
wrong, in the end the west would win, whatever that would mean, but the war
would last for years and millions would die,
>not just theirs but ours. Who has the belly for that? Bin Laden does.
Anyone else?
>
>Tamim Ansary
>
>David Kettlewell
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Musica Humana -
>Music and Musicology
>to educate the whole person
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--- C <tootifluti-AT-
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Quoting Barbara:
> You use the term "I fear for us all."  Why?  What has happened
> so far that would cause you to say that? 

I've been saying this about Shrub (the little Bush) since before
the election. I knew that he wasn't what he appeared to be to
the average voter. I saw through his lies and voted with the
Majority. My father once told me that he didn't trust the senior
Mr. Bush, primarily because of things he did while head of the
CIA. I certainly haven't seen any reasons to trust the son
either.

The thing I haven't figured out is how his supporters managed to
rig the election in the rest of the country so that the final
tally came down to his brother's political machine handing him
the election in Florida. If we can roust enough Republicans out
of the House next year, maybe we can get a Congressional
investigation started.

You ask what has happened since that questionable election? What
remote island have you been hiding on for the last seven
months?? 

First of all, George Dubyah seems to think that the questionable
manner in which he gained the White House is a mandate to shove
his political agenda down the collective throats of the American
People.

His first official act in office was an assault on women's
rights, and a partial payoff to his right-wing Christian
supporters. (Like every good Conservative Christian woman, his
wife stays in the background where he wants her. Now that he
percieves that she can be our national "mother", I've seen more
of her in the last three or four days than in the last seven
months.)

His "tax cut" was a payoff to his rich supporters and did little
to relieve the burden on the the low to middle income taxpayers.
The place a tax cut should have started was to raise the bottom
limit at which people begin paying taxes so that people who are
struggling below the poverty level can get closer to a living
wage. Now that his tax cut is in place and the economy has gone
sour, he wants to steal money from our Social Security to
balance his budget and pay for increases.

He wants to exploit our protected public lands for oil and
natural gas, even though the geologists estimate that the MOST
we MIGHT find is enough to last us about 6 months. (Another
payoff to his rich supporters.) He seems to think there is still
enough oil out there that hasn't been discovered that we can
once again become independent of Arab oil, even though there
have been more holes drilled in North America than in all the
rest of the world combined. His energy policy does virtually
nothing to support research into alternative fuels or to build
up the infrastructure so that power can be moved to areas where
it is needed. (Wyoming and Nebraska, for example, have
generating capacity far in excess of what they use, but don't
have the transmission lines to send it to places that need it
outside their region.)

He never did explain to the voters where money was going to come
from for such things as the medicaid drug plan, and his version
of the plan doesn't help the low income people who need it most.


I'll tell you one place we *can* save money. Last week proves
that our most dangerous enemy is not coming after us with
nuclear missiles, so we don't really need the missile defense
system, which the military wasn't really ready to deploy anyway.
One news report I was watching pointed out that the possibility
is out there that a terrorist group could manufacture a nuclear
device *in*this*country* and wouldn't need missiles to deliver
it. Of course the Russians and Chinese are against the system.
Do you suppose they had anything to do with the WTC destruction?
Maybe they financed it in the belief that it would stop the
missile defense system from being deployed.

Shrub has been a pompous, arrogant, schoolhouse bully where
international relations are concerned. (Despite your line about
name-calling in debates, "If the shoe fits...") He appears to
have little knowledge or understanding of the issues. I've
sensed a great deal of frustration on the part of Colin Powell
for the way Bush has conducted himself, and even have speculated
that Powell might eventually resign because of it. He certainly
has not had the prominence that his office should have where
some negotiations were concerned. Shrub has simplistic answers
for everything and when he doesn't understand something, there
is something wrong with the issue, not with him. He throws out
years of treaty negotiations right and left, saying "they are
flawed", but offers no intelligent alternatives. "We'll have to
look at it some more," seems to be his stock answer to
everything. One of the reasons a lot of people didn't understand
Carter was because he could see shades of gray; he understood
that there were many sides to an issue. Shrub only sees his own
side.

The only reason he hasn't done something stupid in the past week
is because his advisers are keeping a close rein on him. I'm
just worried about what will happen if Colin Powell turns his
back for a few seconds. As I said the other day, I'm just
surprised that his stupidity has brought us to this so soon, not
that it happened.

I *have* heard quotes in the news in the last few days that
would support Barbara's comments about him imagining himself to
be a sheriff in a 'B' Western.

What happened last week is a message to Shrub to get out of the
playground and start acting like the leader he pretends to be.

Andy in Portland

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ECDers --

This is your list-owner speaking.

I strongly request a halt to the current off-topic debate over the 
suitability and legitimacy of the current President.

(My rationale for permitting all the WTC discussion is that (a) this affected
our community and members of it and (b) we clearly needed to talk about it as
a community, and in a way unique to our community.)

There are plenty of other places to argue about the merits of Mr. Bush. We
don't need to do it here, and doing it here will be divisive.  Please don't.

(Please note that I'm _not_ saying "In these terrible time we all need to pull
together and silence our legitimate grievances; complaints are comfort to the
enemy."  I don't agree with that; in my opinion, one of the best things about 
free countries is that you can complain about the leadership at any time.  What
I'm saying is that I fear this discussion will be toxic to this list, and I
don't want that to happen.)

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--- paul/victoria bestock <bestockp-AT-
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> Back in the days of the cold war I read an article about
> Russian early childhood education.  The writer was opposed to
> the Russian ideals of valuing community over individualism,
and
> gave as an example of this pervasive evil philosophy, the fact
> that the Russians were making toys for tots that could only be
> worked by more than one child.  Some took four hands to push
> buttons for example, or some required one child to pull
> something at the same time as the other child worked a dial. 
> If a kid wanted to play with a toy, he had to find someone
else
> to do it with him, and they had to cooperate in playing with
it
> or it wouldn't work.  At the time, and despite the negative
> editorializing about it, I thought it was a cool idea.  

Vicky,

It is a cool idea, because it teaches cooperation. 

I do find it especially interesting because of stories that a
friend here in Portland tells about her travels to Russia. She
and a partner had a travel agency that specialized in Russia.
She told of going to a hunting camp that someone wanted to
convince her to promote as a retreat. The place was terrible and
she said it needed many improvements before she could recommend
it. While driving back to the city with two Russian men, their
car went into a pothole so deep that the front wheels were in
the hole and the frame was teetering on the edge of the hole.
Another car stopped to help and the four men kept rocking the
car back and forth without any improvement of the situation. Her
partner finally stopped them and organized them to lift/push the
front end and soon the car was extracted. 

Sandy says that after 75 years of Communism and the earlier
times under the Tzar, the people have no ability to reason out
problems to find solutions. If you suggested a better way to do
something under the Communists you might find yourself headed
for Siberia for insubordination because your boss didn't think
of it, so people just kept quiet and did what they were told to
do.

I think that toy is really neat.

Andy

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Dear friends,

 

    We have received dozens upon dozens of thoughtful 
letters of condolence from

eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union. These come from partners in 
the

program that brings many medical people to the U.S. and sends many of us 
over

there to improve the quality of care in our partners' health system (Nancy 
and I

were in the partnership with Albania). In these partnerships we have made 
fast

friends of former enemies. This is one fulfilment of Steve's insight.

 

--

Albert Blank   Nancy DeVore

 



 

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<DIV>Dear friends,</DIV>
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<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;We have received dozens upon dozens of thoughtful letters of condolence from</DIV>
<DIV>eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union. These come from partners in the</DIV>
<DIV>program that brings many medical people to the U.S. and sends many of us over</DIV>
<DIV>there to improve the quality of care in our partners' health system (Nancy and I</DIV>
<DIV>were in the partnership with Albania). In these partnerships we have made fast</DIV>
<DIV>friends of former enemies. This is one fulfilment of Steve's insight.</DIV>
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<DIV>Albert Blank &amp; Nancy DeVore</DIV>
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Photographs from the English Country Dance held in Canberra on Sept 8 are now on the web at http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/page6.html and follow the links.  Initial information about the Dickensian Christmas Carol Ball is at http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/Dickens.htm . This page will be updated very soon, so please keep posted. 
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<DIV><FONT color=#800080>Photographs from the English Country Dance held in 
Canberra on Sept 8 are now on the web at <A 
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and follow the links.&nbsp; Initial information about the Dickensian Christmas 
Carol Ball is at <A 
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. This page will be updated very soon, so please keep posted. </FONT></DIV>
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Dear Friends,
   CD*NY held the first of its regular English Country Dances this evening.  
Beverly Francis called; music by George Davis and Cynthia Shaw.
   Some personal thoughts. . . .
   I live in Queens and had a ride into the city this evening.  We took the 
BQE (Brooklyn-Queens Expressway), a route that affords a magnificent view of 
the skyline.  Surely the Towers were there SOMEWHERE?!  I must be looking in 
the wrong direction.  There was the Chrysler Building, with its art deco 
lights.  There was the Empire State Building, proudly lit in red, white and 
blue, reasserting its historical claim as tallest building.  And THERE, a 
thin, brown plume of smoke lofting a city's hopes, fears, prayers.
   Our dance site is across the street from St. Vincent's Hospital, so much 
in the news lately.  Many of us hadn't seen each other since the end of our 
season in early June.  The phrase “good to see you again” had added weight 
in the context of this week.  One dancer had another sort of “added weight” 
and is showing signs of a dancer-to-be ( a girl, we’re told)!  Another 
mourns the loss of a parent to natural causes.  The normal circle of life 
continues.
   I’ve been so grateful to all of you “out there” who wrote in with news of 
your local dances in solidarity with us.  I wondered how the emotions of the 
week would shape our evening, what gestures we would make.  And 
surprisingly, there were none!  We didn’t need candles, or silent 
circles—the very fact that we were together again, dancing, was the most 
loving tribute to those we lost; the most supportive embrace for all of us, 
the most defiant gesture against those who would destroy us.  (We did dance 
“Peace Be With You.”)
   After the dance, those of us riding home together walked to where the car 
was parked.  I noticed that even the dogs on their leashes looked sad (or 
maybe it’s just that breed of dog?)  But there are signs that the city is 
reestablishing its sense of equilibrium—however tenuous.
   First stop on the way home—the usual one for us: A chocolate egg cream.  
(For non-New Yorkers, this is a drinkable concoction with neither egg nor 
cream.  It’s like a chocolate ice cream soda without the ice cream, but you 
have to use U-Bet, a particular brand of chocolate syrup. . . oops, 
off-topic.  The recipe could start an argument.  New Yorkers can be 
passionate about this sort of thing.)  I’ve waited all summer to reestablish 
this particular custom.  Perhaps some people sing patriotic anthems at times 
like this.  Others wear their local team baseball caps.  Me—I wanted that 
egg cream!
   Different route home.  Over the 59th Street Bridge.  I’ve never driven 
across that bridge without taking in the view of the skyline and thinking, 
“If I ever move away from New York, THIS is the view I’ll miss the most.”  
But WHERE are those twin anchors at the distant edge?  Nothing but an eerie 
glow from the search lights.  It’s the stuff of poetry, and I know that one 
day I’ll read the one that captures my experience of all this.
   Home.  I check my e-mail.  AHA!  Only a week, but there are some bits of 
humor.  Not all of it tasteful perhaps, but this is a good sign.  It means 
that the healing can begin.
   And some of us are starting to celebrate the Jewish High Holy Days, a 
time of introspection and repentance.  But it is also considered the 
birthday of the world—and clearly an act of such destruction must presage 
re-creation.  Art, poetry, music, dance—we can start with these.  There’s 
another Jewish concept, too—called “tikkun olam” ("repairing the world")—and 
in more ways than I can count, the dance community has taught me the 
importance of trying to do this, even with one hug at a time.
   As we start our new year of dancing, I wish all of you peace and healing.
--Orly (late again to the featherbed ball, sigh. . . .)


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Just a reminder:

People should be able to unsubscribe themselves from the ECD list by sending
messages to 

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with any subject line and a body that reads


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Alan,

You are completely right and I apologize to you and to the list for
having been the one to start it with my intemperate comments.

Perhaps we should go back to a topic that we can all discuss
dispassionately, like gender-balancing (wan smile).

Barbara

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> ECDers --
> 
> This is your list-owner speaking.
> 
> I strongly request a halt to the current off-topic debate over the 
> suitability and legitimacy of the current President.
> 
> (My rationale for permitting all the WTC discussion is that (a)
> this affected
> our community and members of it and (b) we clearly needed to talk
> about it as
> a community, and in a way unique to our community.)
> 
> There are plenty of other places to argue about the merits of Mr.
> Bush. We
> don't need to do it here, and doing it here will be divisive. 
> Please don't.
> 
> (Please note that I'm _not_ saying "In these terrible time we all
> need to pull
> together and silence our legitimate grievances; complaints are
> comfort to the
> enemy."  I don't agree with that; in my opinion, one of the best
> things about 
> free countries is that you can complain about the leadership at any
> time.  What
> I'm saying is that I fear this discussion will be toxic to this
> list, and I
> don't want that to happen.)
> 
> -- Alan
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Here is a different kind of prayer:                                          
                                                                 
http://enlightenment.supersaturated.com/services/prayer.html                 
                                                                     Michael

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Hi All -- This is really touching.  You can put
your name or phrase to a
candle and pass it on . . .Cara

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dear dance folk,

in the aftermath of 9-11, i've been so grateful to be part of this
community. the warmth and connectedness you've shown have made an
extraordinarily difficult time slightly easier to bear; i have been
particularly thankful for, and comforted by, the strength and verbal grace
of the dancers from NYC.

as a few of you know, in my non-dance life i'm a journalist. i wrote a
column out of my thoughts about the community's reaction to the deaths of
Chris and Steve, and to my surprise, my paper ran it this morning. (rather
different from my usual writing about public health, but a lot of us are
doing different things now.) i won't inflict the text on you, but if you
care to look, it is currently at the URL below, which will be good til
midnight Wednesday.

http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/terrorism/atlanta/0919mystory.html

my best,

maryn
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Greetings,

Some of us ECDers here in St. Louis, Missouri, are interested in 
re-constructing a historically correct ball program from ~1803/1804 
in St. Louis to aid us in celebrating the 200th anniversary of the 
Louisiana Purchase. We know from various papers/journals of the time 
(e.g. Lewis & Clark) that there were balls in St. Louis and New 
Orleans around this time period (some of which were directly related 
to the Louisiana Purchase). Indeed, there was a scuffle at a public 
New Orleans ball as to whether to begin the evening's dancing with a 
French Quadrille or English/American Dance.

Our group's hope would be to discover a dance card or ball program 
for a St. Louis dance event from around 1804 (we know that is a long 
shot). We have surfed the web and delved into the archives of the 
Missouri Historical Society.  We have located a wealth of St. Louis 
dance cards from 1874 and later (many are just glorious),  as well as 
various printed and hand-written ball invitations from 1819 and 
later, (but without programs). We are also contacting various 
historians with expertise on that time period. We are now wondering...
-When were the first dance cards used in the US?
-Were there ever handwritten dance cards? {St. Louis did not have a 
printing press until 1808}
-Were programs distributed at balls in the early 1800's?
-Any suggestions on places to look?

We are beginning to realize that we may have to broaden our scope 
geographically and/or in terms of the time period.

We will try to update this list periodically on our findings and we 
welcome help from anyone interested in our endeavor!

Best,
Chrissy Howell

Louisiana Purchase Ball Committee
St. Louis, MO

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<fontfamily><param>Geneva</param>Greetings,

 

Some of us ECDers here in St. Louis, Missouri, are interested in
re-constructing a historically correct ball program from ~1803/1804 in
St. Louis to aid us in celebrating the 200th anniversary of the
Louisiana Purchase. We know from various papers/journals of the time
(e.g. Lewis & Clark) that there were balls in St. Louis and New Orleans
around this time period (some of which were directly related to the
Louisiana Purchase). Indeed, there was a scuffle at a public New
Orleans ball as to whether to begin the evening's dancing with a French
Quadrille or English/American Dance. 


Our group's hope would be to discover a dance card or ball program for
a St. Louis dance event from around 1804 (we know that is a long shot).
We have surfed the web and delved into the archives of the Missouri
Historical Society.  We have located a wealth of St. Louis dance cards
from 1874 and later (many are just glorious),  as well as various
printed and hand-written ball invitations from 1819 and later, (but
without programs). We are also contacting various historians with
expertise on that time period. We are now wondering...

-When were the first dance cards used in the US?

-Were there ever handwritten dance cards? {St. Louis did not have a
printing press until 1808}

-Were programs distributed at balls in the early 1800's?

-Any suggestions on places to look?


We are beginning to realize that we may have to broaden our scope
geographically and/or in terms of the time period.


We will try to update this list periodically on our findings and we
welcome help from anyone interested in our endeavor! 


Best,

Chrissy Howell


Louisiana Purchase Ball Committee

St. Louis, MO
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Maryn,
your piece is lovely.  I'm taking the liberty to post it here, so that
it will be saved in the ECD archives & can be reread whenever we wish.

--Deb Karl
Boston

				Grieving community strengthened;
                    dancers take time to heal

                    By M.A.J. MCKENNA
                    Atlanta Journal-Constitution Staff Writer

                    On the stoop of my house in Decatur, a candle is flickering.

                    I lit it last Wednesday, in memory of all the
victims of Sept. 11. Chiefly,
                    though, I lit it to remember two men: Stephen Adams,
who was in one of
                    the World Trade Center towers, and Christoffer
Carstanjen, who was in
                    one of the hijacked planes.

                    I didn't know Steve or Chris well, though I am sure
I met each of them at
                    least once: I am friends with Steve's brother-in-law
and with Chris' mother.
                    I know they had parents and siblings, a loved
spouse, a treasured job,
                    intelligence and curiosity and a fierce capacity for joy.

                    But this is not meant to be a paean to their
qualities, as though they
                    were somehow different from the thousands who died
with them. Take it
                    instead as a meditation on connectedness: on how
tragedy does not tear
                    the web that links us, but tugs on its threads and
draws us closer.

                    Steve and Chris knew each other. Steve was a
sommelier at the Windows
                    on the World restaurant on top of the north tower;
Chris, whose plane
                    dived into the south tower, was a computer
specialist at the University of
                    Massachusetts. They were also both folk dancers;
they belonged to the
                    Marlboro Morris Men, a dance team from western
Massachusetts and
                    southern Vermont.

                    Dancers across the country think of themselves as
one family. In my
                    rootless life as a journalist, they are the
community I depend on: I have
                    walked into weekly dances in a half-dozen cities,
unannounced and
                    uninvited, and been welcomed as though I had come home.

                    Within hours of the crashes last Tuesday, dancers
were exchanging
                    urgent e-mail. First there was apprehension: Steve
had gone to work at 8
                    that morning. Chris was booked on United Airlines
Flight 175. Then there
                    was confirmation: The airline listed Chris on the
flight manifest; no one
                    from Windows on the World could be found. And then
the grief began.
                    Every hour for days, there were heart-rending
messages of support and
                    condolence, directed to the families but published
for all of us to share.

                    The messages began to shift as the week went on.
Dancers around the
                    country had to consider whether holding their
regular gatherings would
                    be an assertion of community in a time when it was needed.
                    Overwhelmingly, even in New York, they decided to
dance. In Atlanta
                    Saturday night, almost 100 people drove from as far
away as Washington
                    to attend a dance that had been planned for months. 

                    And every group -- Boston, Berkeley, Ann Arbor,
Chapel Hill -- wrote to
                    the rest of us, telling us how they remembered the
ones we had lost: "We
                    had a vase of flowers in their team colors;" "We lit
candles;" "We danced
                    'Peace Be With You;'" "We held hands in a circle and
spoke their
                    names." 

                    Across the country this week, other e-mails will be
passing on the news of
                    losses; other groups will be holding hands and
lighting candles and
                    deciding how best to mourn. Every one of the dead
will have been part of
                    some web of connection: a Little League parent,
maybe; a choir member;
                    a geek who argued fine points of programming on the
Net late at night; a
                    quilter, a biker, a science-fiction fan. 

                    The unexpected after-effect of the tragedy is to
reveal those communities
                    to us -- not only how far-flung they are, but how
strong they are. It
                    demonstrates that our relationships are not
diminished by distance. It
                    shows us a strength on which we perhaps can rebuild. 

                    "We all have a long road ahead of us, repairing the
tear in the fabric of
                    the world," wrote a dancer from New York. "From each
of you I draw
                    strength to stitch, one dance at a time. And I count
it a blessing that I
                    have people known and unknown with whom to share
both sorrow and
                    joy." 

                    I thought, immediately after Tuesday, that I could
never bear to dance
                    again. Now I look forward to it. I already had
affection for the men and
                    women I dance with; I did not expect to feel such
tenderness, or such
                    pride. 

                    We do what the dead loved because it links us to
them, and find instead
                    that it strengthens our connection with each other.
We hold their memory
                    in our hearts, we hold hands, and we go on.
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Deb,
thanks for posting Maryn's column. Maryn your words are much appreciated.

And to all of you regulars that post to the list, I too want to add my
voice of thanks for all your community related comments that have helped
provide me with a grounding during these difficult days.

Also, having danced Peace be With You as the first dance of the Boston
Centre
season last Wednesday, I have felt an added sense of connection to the
community
and to the list (even if I am a lurker)
 every time it has shown up in a posting across the many dance locations.

Thank you all,

Keith

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Thank you for that thoughtful and heartfelt article, Maryn - I am so glad
that it was published for those outside our community to read. I was one of
those who traveled a long distance (from central Kentucky) to attend the
Atlanta dance weekend, and it was exactly the right thing for me to do, and
the right place for me to be. As I drove down, there was seldom a mile in
which I did not see a flag flying, on front porches, at businesses, and on
vehicles. Almost every overpass on I-75 between Knoxville and Chattanooga
was draped with a large flag...

In Atlanta, there was a candlelight vigil on Friday evening during the
break, with spontaneous singing ("Dona Nobis Pacem", "Simple Gifts", and
"Amazing Grace");  flag stickers were available for guests to wear, and
flowers and flags and hugs were everywhere. And as the weekend drew to a
close, after the next to the last dance- "Peace Be With You", we waltzed to
a heartbreakingly beautiful and poignant new composition by dancer Andrew
Levin, entitled simply "September 11, 2001". The musicians played through
their tears, and the dance floor was almost silent, as we remembered those
we've lost, and cherished those we still have.

Regardless of your political take on this situation, I hope all of you will
join me in a fervent wish and prayer for a swift return of a just peace, and
for justice to be served with minimal further loss of innocent lives....

Susan Booker

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--- Maryn McKenna <mmckenna-AT-
mindspring.com> wrote:
> as a few of you know, in my non-dance life i'm a journalist. i
> wrote a column out of my thoughts about the community's
> reaction to the deaths of Chris and Steve, and to my surprise,
> my paper ran it this morning. (rather different from my usual
> writing about public health, but a lot of us are doing
> different things now.)

Maryn,

This article you wrote is very much about the public health. It
speaks to to the fact that healing can be found in the closeness
and support in each person's personal communities.

Andy

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In a message dated 9/19/2001 2:58:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
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> And as the weekend drew to a
> close, after the next to the last dance- "Peace Be With You", we waltzed to
> a heartbreakingly beautiful and poignant new composition by dancer Andrew
> Levin, entitled simply "September 11, 2001". The musicians played through
> their tears, and the dance floor was almost silent, as we remembered those
> we've lost, and cherished those we still have.
> 

Do you suppose Andrew Levin might be willing to share this with the rest of 
the dance community?

Maybe through CDSS?

Deborah Forest Hart

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>In a message dated 9/19/2001 2:58:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, susantiq-AT-
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<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">And as the weekend drew to a
<BR>close, after the next to the last dance- "Peace Be With You", we waltzed to
<BR>a heartbreakingly beautiful and poignant new composition by dancer Andrew
<BR>Levin, entitled simply "September 11, 2001". The musicians played through
<BR>their tears, and the dance floor was almost silent, as we remembered those
<BR>we've lost, and cherished those we still have.
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<BR></FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">
<BR>Do you suppose Andrew Levin might be willing to share this with the rest of the dance community?
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<BR>Maybe through CDSS?
<BR>
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--- Barbara Ruth <barbararuth-AT-
rocketmail.com> wrote:
> Perhaps we should go back to a topic that we can all discuss
> dispassionately, like gender-balancing (wan smile).

...and what about those claps on Petronella turns?

Andy

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> And as the weekend drew to a
> close, after the next to the last dance- "Peace Be With You," we waltzed to
> a heartbreakingly beautiful and poignant new composition by dancer Andrew
> Levin, entitled simply "September 11, 2001."  The musicians played through
> their tears, and the dance floor was almost silent, as we remembered those
> we've lost, and cherished those we still have.
> 
> Regardless of your political take on this situation, I hope all of you will
> join me in a fervent wish and prayer for a swift return of a just peace, and
> for justice to be served with minimal further loss of innocent lives....


And in that spirit-- thinking ahead here-- What if any of those who might 
like to-- chose to create tunes, dances to memorialize, promote healing, 
love, peace ("community") and would offer their compositions/comemorations to 
be put together in a book to be sold to raise funds for say, camp 
scholarship/s (?) in the name of our lost loved ones. . .

Perhaps this could be "Phoenix Rising."

Deborah Forest Hart
dfhart24-AT-
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> 
> 



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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>In a message dated 9/19/2001 2:58:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, susantiq-AT-
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<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">And as the weekend drew to a
<BR>close, after the next to the last dance- "Peace Be With You," we waltzed to
<BR>a heartbreakingly beautiful and poignant new composition by dancer Andrew
<BR>Levin, entitled simply "September 11, 2001." &nbsp;The musicians played through
<BR>their tears, and the dance floor was almost silent, as we remembered those
<BR>we've lost, and cherished those we still have.
<BR>
<BR>Regardless of your political take on this situation, I hope all of you will
<BR>join me in a fervent wish and prayer for a swift return of a just peace, and
<BR>for justice to be served with minimal further loss of innocent lives....</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>
<BR></FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">
<BR>And in that spirit-- thinking ahead here-- What if any of those who might like to-- chose to create tunes, dances to memorialize, promote healing, love, peace ("community") and would offer their compositions/comemorations to be put together in a book to be sold to raise funds for say, camp scholarship/s (?) in the name of our lost loved ones. . .
<BR>
<BR>Perhaps this could be "Phoenix Rising."
<BR>
<BR>Deborah Forest Hart
<BR>dfhart24-AT-
aol.com (not gateway!)
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Good day all,
at the risk of causing an endless stream of angry e-mails from the
"preservers of copyright", I dare to ask:

is anyone willing to share the directions for the dance "peace be with
you" in time for us to dance it tomorrow (thursday) night? I understand
the music is "Rigadoon royal" which is published in Barnes' book; all I
need are the instructions. Please reply off-list to sbecd-AT-
yahoo.com.

Thank you (and let the flaming begin)
Giovanni De Amici

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At 01:37 PM 9/19/01 -0700, you wrote:
>Good day all,
>at the risk of causing an endless stream of angry e-mails from the
>"preservers of copyright", I dare to ask:
>
>is anyone willing to share the directions for the dance "peace be with
>you" in time for us to dance it tomorrow (thursday) night? I understand
>the music is "Rigadoon royal" which is published in Barnes' book; all I
>need are the instructions. Please reply off-list to sbecd-AT-
yahoo.com.
>
>Thank you (and let the flaming begin)

I just called Fried.  Here, with her love to all on the list, are the
instructions for her copyrighted dance "Peace be with you," as published in
Choice Morsels:

A duple minor longways dance in Playford Style

A1	(1-4)	1st corner set to each other, change places by R-shoulder.
	(5-8)	R-hand * q/2-way, all turn S. to the L.
A2	(1-8)	Repeat with 2nd corner setting & crossing.
B1 	(1-4)	2 changes of Right & Left (start with ptn., give hands, no polite
turn at end of 2nd 		change)
	(5-8)	All 2-hand turn with ptn. 1 1/2 x around, into
B2	(1-2)	Hands 4 halfway.
	(3-4)	Still holding hands with nbr. fall slightly back.
	(5-8)	Gate figure: 1st cu. lead thru 2nd cu. and cast back into progressed
places, assisted 		by 2nd cu. with inside hand.

No flame wars, just a gift from Fried.

Sharon (librarian's wife, author, and preserver of copyright)
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Dear Deborah,  We also danced Peace Be With You at CDNY's Tuesday English
dance last night.  After the dance, Al & I went to Union Square Park to
see the scene there.  It was overwhelming, with thousands of candles on
the pavement next to each other, and every available space on the fences
were pictures of the missing ones, countless thoughts, and messages
written,probably thousands, also posted, and many people wandering about
in the park reading, looking,also some music.  The effect of this
demonstration shown on TV was nothing compared to what was actually
there. It affected us more than the dance. 

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At 01:37 PM 9/19/01 -0700, you wrote:
>Good day all,
>at the risk of causing an endless stream of angry e-mails from the
>"preservers of copyright", I dare to ask:
>
>is anyone willing to share the directions for the dance "peace be with
>you" in time for us to dance it tomorrow (thursday) night? I understand
>the music is "Rigadoon royal" which is published in Barnes' book; all I
>need are the instructions. Please reply off-list to sbecd-AT-
yahoo.com.
>
>Thank you (and let the flaming begin)

I just called Fried.  Here, with her love to all on the list, are the
instructions for her copyrighted dance "Peace be with you," as published in
Choice Morsels:

A duple minor longways dance in Playford Style

A1	(1-4)	1st corner set to each other, change places by R-shoulder.
	(5-8)	R-hand * 1/2-way, all turn S. to the L.
A2	(1-8)	Repeat with 2nd corner setting & crossing.
B1 	(1-4)	2 changes of Right & Left (start with ptn., give hands, no polite
turn at end of 2nd change)
	(5-8)	All 2-hand turn with ptn. 1 1/2 x around, into
B2	(1-2)	Hands 4 halfway.
	(3-4)	Still holding hands with nbr. fall slightly back.
	(5-8)	Gate figure: 1st cu. lead thru 2nd cu. and cast back into progressed
places, assisted by 2nd cu. with inside hand.

No flame wars, just a gift from Fried.

Sharon (who hates making typos)

A couple of notes: In the A section, set R & L in place, not forward.
The dance originally was written for Nick Bodley, on his departure from New
York City.

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Friends,
This is forwarded from Ruth Feldberg

Wed, 19 Sep 2001 10:07:07 -0400
From: "Ruth Feldberg" <madrobin-AT-
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Dear Friends,

There will be a memorial service for Christoffer Carstanjen at the 
First
Congregational Church on Main Street in Sunderland on Sept. 29th at 
5:30
PM. Please spread the word to anyone who does not have email.

Chris's motorcycle buddies have set up the following, very moving 
website:
http://people.ne.mediaone.net/pjbt/ChristofferCarstanjen.htm


Let's all be at the service to support Mary and her family.


Ruth Feldberg for the Amherst English Dance Community

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Sharon,

As know I have "Peace Be With You" from from "Choice Morsels".  So, Please, 
Please tell Fried that those of us who dance it,extend our love not only to 
her for permitting you to share the dance worldwide, but also to all of 
those who dance it and remember the joy in the world when we are at peace.


Emphasize the moderate flowing tempo that MTM uses.


Mike


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 There have been so many wonderful messages posted on the list in the past few days, expressing individuals views and deep feelings regarding recent events, which has confirmed my long held belief, that, once one becomes an English Country Dancer you become a member of a very caring community, where ever you may dance.

This became a subject for discussion with friends at our Folk Dance Club in Salisbury,U.K. last evening and it was soon obvious that we all share the pain that is felt in other communities and offer our sympathies to those who grieve.

As many of us are about to participate in a weekend of ECD, this weekend, I wondered if anyone who has posted recently, would raise any objections to my using any of their messages in a small display, as a tribute to those who lost their lives.

It would also enable my fellow dancers, most of whom are not subscribers to the list, to view for themselves the depth of feelings expressed by their American contemporaries.

I have spoken with Alan,who raises no objections but out of courtesy I post this message.My apologies for such short notice.


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caring community, where ever you may dance.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This became a subject for discussion with friends 
at our Folk Dance Club in Salisbury,U.K. last evening and it was soon obvious 
that we all share the pain that is felt in other communities and offer our 
sympathies to those who grieve.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT face=Arial size=2>As many of us are about to 
participate in a weekend of ECD, this weekend, </FONT>I wondered if 
anyone&nbsp;who has posted&nbsp;recently, would&nbsp;raise any objections to my 
using any of their messages&nbsp;in a small display,&nbsp;as a tribute to those 
who lost their lives.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>t would also enable 
my fellow dancers, most of whom are not subscribers to the list, to view for 
themselves the depth of feelings expressed by their American 
contemporaries.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I have spoken with Alan,who&nbsp;raises no objections but out of courtesy I 
post this message.My apologies for such short notice.</DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV>
<DIV>Barry McNamara</DIV></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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thank you Cara for sharing the Candle site

Sandra  
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Greetings to All!!
   Funny that Phoenix (the dance, not the city) would come up.  It was one 
of the first dances I thought of as appropriate to the situation.  A propos 
of the thread by that name, however, I would be willing to contribute 
something to a fundraising collection of dances.
   During the past week I wrote a dance with tune called "Safe Haven" as a 
tribute to the community we all share.  It's had only the merest hint of a 
trial run so far (four dancers, no music), but it is under consideration for 
our program next week.  The dance instructions are in a word document and 
the tune is in the free-download version of Finale (see some previous 
discussion of last spring).  I would be happy to share it.
   As for permission to quote anything I've written on the list in the last 
week, if anybody feels that something I've written can ease another's pain 
or lift their spirits, then please feel free to share that, too.

--Orly

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I have no objections to my messages being used in this manner, but would
like for my email and last name to be omitted - thanks for asking.

Susan Booker

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Dear Maryn:

Thank you, from the bottom of my heart. And Alan, thank you for this place
where we've built a small community and shared our hearts. And thank you,
friends and colleagues from across the country and the world, for the gift
of your compassion.

Peace,
Paul

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If I've written anything that can help, feel free to use it.

Peace,
Paul (Stamler)

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Permission granted.  Thanks for asking. 

We Americans greatly appreciate the tributes, gestures of sympathy, 
condolences and support from people throughout the world.  It gives me 
great solace to know that the dance community is very much a global 
community. 

I also appreciate and admire your restraint and patience in response to 
the excesses from some Americans.  While I'm truly pleased by the 
rebirth of patriotism in America, I'm wondering how well that plays in 
other countries.  I fear that some folks here may have mistaken flag 
waving and sabre rattling for patriotism.  To me, patriotism is an 
embracing of American values.  Next to the melting pot, to me one of the 
greatest symbols of American values is the barn raising.  In a classic 
barn raising, the families of a community get together to build a barn 
for a new settler and then celebrate with a dance that evening.  (And 
you thought I was straying off topic.) 

This time the task is different, but America is still a community coming 
together,  I hope that America's coming together is not viewed as a 
drawing away from other countries.  In spite of news media casting this 
as an "Attack on America," we do understand that it is also a global 
tragedy.  Citizens of 61 countries lost their lives in the attacks.  To 
each person that lost a friend or loved one, this is an intense personal 
tragedy, not one confined to national borders.  Such is the politics of 
grief.

I hope your dance weekend brings both comfort and pleasure to all who 
attend.  The theme for this week seems to be "Peace Be with You."  I 
welcome the day when we can dance "Joy after Sorrow." 

Rich Galloway


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I am hoping to add links to our band's webpages. If you have any
suggestions, please let me know.
Warmest Regards,
Aylwen Garden
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Rich Galloway wrote:  "I fear that some folks here may have mistaken flag 
waving and sabre rattling for patriotism.......Citizens of 61 countries lost
their lives in the attacks.  
To each person that lost a friend or loved one, this is an intense personal 
tragedy, not one confined to national borders.  Such is the politics of
grief."

Thank you Rich.  How might we better symbolize this reality?  This morning I
woke wondering where I might find a UN flag give voice to the grief I feel
for ALL peoples as we struggle with the next steps and the consequences for
ALL peoples.

Perhaps others have thoughts on this....

I am sorely missing being with my dear dear New York community now! and
grateful for all the words that bring your presence home to me.

And also grateful to have found a circle of beautiful new dance friends here
in NC.

Carolyn Worthing
Chapel Hill, NC

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On Monday, September 17, 2001 at 11:43:01 PM, Alan Corkett wrote:

> We have just set up a new event at Halsway Manor, Crowcombe, Somerset, UK; .
> 5th-7th April 2002, with John Meechan calling, and the band is none other
> than everyone's favourite group of musicians: "Alterations", with Alison
> Ellacott, Judy Cooper, Meg Winters and Bill.
> Publicity will be out soon (next week) and bookings will start immediately.

Any idea when the details will appear on the Halsway Manor web site?

Michael Barraclough

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In a message posted by Chrissy Howell, resources were sought sources for 
"Our group's hope would be to discover a dance card or ball program
for a St. Louis dance event from around 1804 (we know that is a long
shot)."

It was suggested by an off-list source to check at the Natl Library of 
Congress: there are many old dance manuals there. Start at 
http://rs6.loc.gov/ammem/dihtml/dihome.html.

Cheers,

/Roger

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Greetings,

Some of us ECDers here in St. Louis, Missouri, are interested in
re-constructing a historically correct ball program from ~1803/1804
in St. Louis to aid us in celebrating the 200th anniversary of the
Louisiana Purchase. We know from various papers/journals of the time
(e.g. Lewis & Clark) that there were balls in St. Louis and New
Orleans around this time period (some of which were directly related
to the Louisiana Purchase). Indeed, there was a scuffle at a public
New Orleans ball as to whether to begin the evening's dancing with a
French Quadrille or English/American Dance.

Our group's hope would be to discover a dance card or ball program
for a St. Louis dance event from around 1804 (we know that is a long
shot). We have surfed the web and delved into the archives of the
Missouri Historical Society.  We have located a wealth of St. Louis
dance cards from 1874 and later (many are just glorious),  as well as
various printed and hand-written ball invitations from 1819 and
later, (but without programs). We are also contacting various
historians with expertise on that time period. We are now wondering...
-When were the first dance cards used in the US?
-Were there ever handwritten dance cards? {St. Louis did not have a
printing press until 1808}
-Were programs distributed at balls in the early 1800's?
-Any suggestions on places to look?

We are beginning to realize that we may have to broaden our scope
geographically and/or in terms of the time period.

We will try to update this list periodically on our findings and we
welcome help from anyone interested in our endeavor!

Best,
Chrissy Howell

Louisiana Purchase Ball Committee
St. Louis, MO

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<<Thank you Rich.  How might we better symbolize this reality?  This morning
I
woke wondering where I might find a UN flag give voice to the grief I feel
for ALL peoples as we struggle with the next steps and the consequences for
ALL peoples.>>

There's probably a United Nations Association in Chapel Hill, Charlotte or
another city in the vicinity.

Peace,
Paul



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The St. John's, Newfoundland, ECD group danced "Peace Be With You" last
night.  I believe that our dancers were moved to know that we were in
communion with many other ECD groups in marking both the horrible events of
September 11th and the loss of two dancers.

Further linking us to the tragedy, albeit indirectly, were the blankets,
towels, books and other items, piled up on the edges of the room,and  left
over from last week when our church hall was being used as a temporarary
"dormitory" for some of the passengers on the 27 flights that were diverted
and grounded here.

This was the first time that we have danced "Peace Be With You".  It won't
be the last.

Martin
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What a lovely site! I look forward to being able to afford your CDs and
booklet (I'm currently gasping like a fish  crossing the desert as far
as work and income; the dot-gone bust has severely affected graphic
designers in this corner of California...)
Since you have a vielle player (yum) you might want to include links to
some of the best hurdy-gurdy sites on the planet - Henry Boucher's page
gives some North American links and music festivals where vielle players gather
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/xaime/vielle/quebec/evqueb.htm
and if you haven't yet met Alden and Cali Hackman of Olympic Music,
instigators of the Over the Water Hurdy Gurdy (and French Dance)
festival and makers of some Very Fine hurdy-gurdies, start planning your
September trip to Washingotn State, some year soon! 
http://www.overthewater.org/index.html
http://www.hurdygurdy.com/hg/hghome.html

What I love to see on band links pages are:
links to festivals you've played, 
links to your various members' favorite sites including influential
musicians & friends in your lives
links to the community you play for.
hm. looking at this, it's time I went and worked on my own homepage!
grins and delight,
Ruth

Aylwen wrote:
> 
> I am hoping to add links to our band's webpages. If you have any
> suggestions, please let me know.
> Warmest Regards,
> Aylwen Garden
> http://www.earthlydelights.com.au
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Dear friends on the list,
I just exchanged emails with Martin up in Newfoundland, following his
earlier email about the blankets & towels still in their church hall
from housing stranded airline passengers.  I thought I would share his
additional comments and website pictures with you.

--Deb Karl
Boston

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Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: 'peace be with you']
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 15:49:53 -0400
From: "Martin E. Mulligan" <mulligan-AT-
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To: "Deb Karl" <debkarl-AT-
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>I heard at some point that many planes were on the ground in
>Newfoundland. It really wasn't covered in the news... Whoever told me
>thought that people were _sitting_ on the planes.  It's comforting to
>hear that the passengers were, instead, being housed in these temporary
>dormitories...that they were being cared for by our northern neighbors.

Deb,

It's quite understandable that our part of the story would not have been
covered on your news.  You all had much more immediate and serious concersn.

The passengers did actually sit on the planes for a very long time.  Each
plane was processed by customs and immigration one at a time.  I don't
remember exactly how long but it was certainly of ther order of 12 hours in
quite a few cases.  Once the passengers were cleared they were then taken
to our Civic centre from where they were "farmed out" to various schools.
All told, the city hosted about 5000 passengers.  It cannot have been an
easy time for them. I was not involved personally in looking after any of
them but our local news reports that they were all well looked after and
appreciated our hospitality.  My university also looked after some
passengers and you should be able to see some photos at:

http://www.mun.ca/univrel/passengers/index.php?includefile=includes/photos5.html

Gander received 40 flights and they were all welcomed in the same way -
a much tougher proposition since the communities are more spread out and
the population base is smaller.
Stephenville, on the west coast of Newfoundland also received flights, as
did other airports in Atlantic Canada.

All the best,

Martin
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[This came to ECD-owner (me) rather than to the list, for which it was obviously
intended.  Antony's message follows  -- Alan]


Most people on the list have come across my dance "An Enchanted Place" and a
few have also done "Enrichez Vous". There was some correspondence about
these dances in 1997 on the ECD list.

You may be interested to know that I have now published a book of my dances
under the title "An Enchanted Place and other dances", with illustrations by
my nephew (because I couldn't get permission to use the original Sheppard
drawings). I think he's done a very good job and I was able to print two of
his drawings in full colour.

Copies of the book are available from me at GBP 6 plus GBP 1 for postage
(NLG 19.50 plus NLG 3.50). I have not yet worked out a way of getting money
transferred from the USA. If anyone has any ideas, I'd be interested to hear
them. Meanwhile I'm prepared to trust people who order it to pay later when
I've established a way of getting the payments over here (or to the UK where
I also have a Bank account).

I have sent a copy to CDSS asking them to review it and also to consider
stocking it. The contents can be found on the website of the Dutch FD
Society www.nvs-dance.nl
under Shop/Sales.

Antony Heywood
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Dear Friends,

I have been speechless these last weeks, and still am. This thing is so
monstrous, and its origins so complex and subtle, that I can't approach it.
At the same time, I want to be with you -- to hold your hands, see the tears
on your faces, and let you see mine. My sincere thanks to everyone who has
spoken up, especially the dancers in New York and D.C., and to Alan Winston
for making this possible.

Today I went looking in new places, and found voices which come close to
saying what is in my heart:
<http://www.afsc.org/cro/colstat.html>
<http://www.cnvc.org/>

To these I want to add only that *every* human life is precious -- the
passengers on the planes, the people in the WTC and the Pentagon, their
rescuers, Afghanistani civilians, the terrorists, their leader, our leaders,
you and me. I wish we could feel and speak with equal respect to all of
those.

  -Bruce

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In a message dated 20/9/01 3:01:29 pm, system-AT-
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>Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 11:11:05 -0500
>From: Chrissy Howell <chrissy-AT-
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>Subject: Louisiana Purchase Ball
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>Greetings,
>
>Some of us ECDers here in St. Louis, Missouri, are interested in 
>re-constructing a historically correct ball program from ~1803/1804 
>in St. Louis to aid us in celebrating the 200th anniversary of the 
>Louisiana Purchase. We know from various papers/journals of the time 
>(e.g. Lewis & Clark) that there were balls in St. Louis and New 
>Orleans around this time period (some of which were directly related 
>to the Louisiana Purchase). Indeed, there was a scuffle at a public 
>New Orleans ball as to whether to begin the evening's dancing with a 
>French Quadrille or English/American Dance.
>
>Our group's hope would be to discover a dance card or ball program 
>for a St. Louis dance event from around 1804 (we know that is a long 
>shot). We have surfed the web and delved into the archives of the 
>Missouri Historical Society.  We have located a wealth of St. Louis 
>dance cards from 1874 and later (many are just glorious),  as well as 
>various printed and hand-written ball invitations from 1819 and 
>later, (but without programs). We are also contacting various 
>historians with expertise on that time period. We are now wondering...
>-When were the first dance cards used in the US?
>-Were there ever handwritten dance cards? {St. Louis did not have a 
>printing press until 1808}
>-Were programs distributed at balls in the early 1800's?
>-Any suggestions on places to look?
>
>We are beginning to realize that we may have to broaden our scope 
>geographically and/or in terms of the time period.
>
>We will try to update this list periodically on our findings and we 
>welcome help from anyone interested in our endeavor!
>
>Best,
>Chrissy Howell
>
>Louisiana Purchase Ball Committee
>St. Louis, MO
>
You should ask Kitty Keller, who spent several years going through newspapers 
of the C17th and C18th for dance related references. Don't know whether her 
researches stretched as far as the date you're after, but ask her:
    kvkeller-AT-
erols.com
                                                    Nicolas B. Lanark, 
Scotland.
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Dear Antony,
    I have found that several charge cards can be used to send funds internationally
-- at very good rates, too.

All the best,
Albert Blank

Antony Heywood wrote (in part):

> Copies of the book are available from me at GBP 6 plus GBP 1 for postage
>  I have not yet worked out a way of getting money
> transferred from the USA. If anyone has any ideas, I'd be interested to hear
> them.

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Hi folks:

My friend John Uhlemann sent this link; I second his recommendation. The
article, from the Tikkun website, is long, but worth reading.

Peace,
Paul


Dear Friends:
   I know you are all tired of analysis and re-analysis of what happened in
New York of the 11th, but this article by a rabbi captures my thoughts
perfectly.

http://www.tikkun.org/index.cfm/action/current/article/53.html

_john Uhlemann


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[Forwarded from Antony Heywood]

Last night the small group called "Rural Felicity" which I lead in
Eindhoven, The Netherlands came together for their fortnightly dance
evening, the first since the disaster. None of the members are members of
the list and all were interested in the closeness of the fellowship which
has manifest itself over the last 10 days.

I told them about those who had died (several had met Gene Murrow when he
was in Belgium earlier this year, so that they could relate to his tragedy).
I told them about the two Morris dancers who had died. I told them about the
dances which had gone ahead and started with people standing in a ring
holding hands.

Then in complete silence, we danced "I care not for these ladies"
(inappropriate title but a moving dance in the circumstances), "Peace be
With You" and "Michael and All Angels". Everyone felt the appropriateness of
these dances to the occasion.

We then changed the mood of the evening but briefly returned to remembrance
to do "Quiet Weekend" in memory of Tom Cook who died this week.

Our thoughts are with America and especially with the dance community.

Antony Heywood
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Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote:

> [Forwarded from Antony Heywood]
>
>
> We then changed the mood of the evening but briefly returned to remembrance
> to do "Quiet Weekend" in memory of Tom Cook who died this week.

More bad news! That is an immense loss for the ECD community. A wonderful man
has left us and I will certainly miss his input. I have the best memories of his
Burton weekend, remembering doing his dance "Rest Assured" on a cold afternoon
in early May.

Philippe Callens
Antwerp, Belgium


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Last night the small group called "Rural Felicity" which I lead in
Eindhoven, The Netherlands came together for their fortnightly dance
evening, the first since the disaster. None of the members are members of
the list and all were interested in the closeness of the fellowship which
has manifest itself over the last 10 days.

I told them about those who had died (several had met Gene Murrow when he
was in Belgium earlier this year, so that they could relate to his tragedy).
I told them about the two Morris dancers who had died. I told them about the
dances which had gone ahead and started with people standing in a ring
holding hands.

Then in complete silence, we danced "I care not for these ladies"
(inappropriate title but a moving dance in the circumstances), "Peace be
With You" and "Michael and All Angels". Everyone felt the appropriateness of
these dances to the occasion.

We then changed the mood of the evening but briefly returned to remembrance
to do "Quiet Weekend" in memory of Tom Cook who died this week.

Our thoughts are with America and especially with the dance community.

Antony Heywood

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of the members are members of the list and all were interested in the closeness 
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<DIV><SPAN class=670084808-21092001><FONT face=Arial>I told them about those who 
had died (several had met Gene Murrow when he was in Belgium earlier this year, 
so that they could relate to&nbsp;his tragedy). I told them about the two Morris 
dancers who had died. I told them about the dances which had gone ahead and 
started with people standing in a ring holding hands.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=670084808-21092001><FONT face=Arial>Then in complete silence, 
we danced "I care not for these ladies" (inappropriate title but a moving dance 
in the circumstances), "Peace be With You" and "Michael and All Angels". 
Everyone felt the appropriateness of these dances to the 
occasion.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=670084808-21092001><FONT face=Arial>We then changed the mood of 
the evening but briefly returned to remembrance to do "Quiet Weekend" in memory 
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>to do "Quiet Weekend" in memory of Tom Cook who died this week.
>
Our thoughts are with America and especially with the dance community.

>
>Antony Heywood

Another great loss, that prolific and imaginative Mr. Cook.  I am so 
saddened to hear that.

Wherever we are and whoever passes from us, may we continue to form community.

-- 
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I agree with Susan! Within all our software programs there exists the
possibility to send copies 'blind'. Please everyone: make sure that you
send ALL your messages to lists with that function enabled! In the past few
days I have received messages from total strangers - totally outside our
discussion themes - who clearly copied addresses for their very own
purposes. 

Hanny Budnick
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I hesitated in forwarding this to the list....but it's just so well done
that I thought you might enjoy it.

--Deb Karl

*********

Every U down in Uville liked U.S. a lot,
But the Binch, who lived Far East of Uville, did not.
The Binch hated U.S! the whole U.S. way!
Now don't ask me why, for nobody can say,


It could be his turban was screwed on too tight.
Or the sun from the desert had beaten too bright
But I think that the most likely reason of all
May have been that his heart was two sizes too small.


But, Whatever the reason, his heart or his turban,
He stood facing Uville, the part that was urban.
"They're doing their business," he snarled from his perch.
"They're raising their families! They're going to church!

They're leading the world, and their empire is thriving,
I MUST keep the S's and U's from surviving!"
Tomorrow, he knew, all the U's and the S's,
Would put on their pants and their shirts and their dresses,

They'd go to their offices, playgrounds and schools,
And abide by their U and S values and rules,
And then they'd do something he liked least of all,
Every U down in U-ville, the tall and the small,

Would stand all united, each U and each S,
And they'd sing Uville's anthem, "God bless us! God bless!"
All around their Twin Towers of Uville, they'd stand,
and their voices would drown every sound in the land.

"I must stop that singing," Binch said with a smirk,
And he had an idea--an idea that might work!
The Binch stole some U airplanes in U morning hours,
And crashed them right into the Uville Twin Towers.

"They'll wake to disaster!" he snickered, so sour,
"And how can they sing when they can't find a tower?"
The Binch cocked his ear as they woke from their sleeping,
All set to enjoy their U-wailing and weeping,

Instead he heard something that started quite low,
And it built up quite slow, but it started to grow--
And the Binch heard the most unpredictable thing...
And he couldn't believe it--they started to sing!

He stared down at U-ville, not trusting his eyes,
What he saw was a shocking, disgusting surprise!
Every U down in U-ville, the tall and the small,
Was singing! Without any towers at all!

He HADN'T stopped U-Ville from singing! It sung!
For down deep in the hearts of the old and the young,
Those Twin Towers were standing, called Hope and called Pride,
And you can't smash the towers we hold deep inside.

So we circle the sites where our heroes did fall,
With a hand in each hand of the tall and the small,
And we mourn for our losses while knowing we'll cope,
For we still have inside that U-Pride and U-Hope.

For America means a bit more than tall towers,
It means more than wealth or political powers,
It's more than our enemies ever could guess,
So may God bless America! Bless us! God bless!
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Thank you, Deb, for posting this.  I've been marvelling over the last few 
days at the strength and poise shown my SO MANY people in this community and 
others during all of this.  As a college music teacher, one of the first 
things I had to face was walking into a classroom of potential music majors. 
  How do you reaffirm the place of creativity when faced with so much 
destruction?  I told them that their job struggling with the nuts and bolts 
of music theory had just gotten a little harder.  It was going to be their 
job to use those tools to rebuild the world.  (And then we listened to and 
discussed Penderecki's Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima--which is 
probably one of the most gut-wrenching pieces of music ever written.)  And 
last night, as I was drifting off into blessed sleep, I realized just how 
large the job of our teachers, callers, and musicians has been of late.  To 
be able to rise above their own emotions and lead us all in commemoration 
and celebration--WOW! Now THAT'S impressive.  And letting humor back into 
our lives is a sign of recovery.  Who was it who said that the ability to 
laugh is one the the things that sets us off from the animals?
In gratitude for all the beautiful examples of humanity and grace I find 
herein--
--Orly (running late to teach her class. . . .)

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Though this may bring tears to your eyes, you can get a panoramic visit
to NYC/WTC.  Hope everyone is feeling ok today.  May G-d be with you and
give you peace. -- Cara in NYC

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I do apologize to the list for some racist stereotyping which appears in
the Dr. Seuss poem.

--Deb
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Dear Dancing Friends,

Please join us for "First Fling," the inaugural dance
party of Country Dancers of Westchester's 2001-2002
season. It's this Saturday, September 22, at Church in
the Highlands on Bryant Ave. in White Plains, NY.
Dancing begins at 8pm.
 
MCs for the event are Fried Herman, Carol Martinez,
and Gene Murrow. The Flying Romanos - Robin Russell;
Marnen Laibow-Koser; and Norma Castle -- provides the
music.

Bluebell will meet the train (which departs from Grand
Central at 6:50pm) arriving at White Plains at 7:21pm
and will provide transport to the dance; then, just
before the end of the dance, back to the station again
in time to catch the 11:02pm train from White Plains
which delivers riders back to Grand Central at 11:38pm
(note: phone beforehand to arrange train shuttle
service!)

Admission is $12.00. CDW members pay $10.00. Annual
membership in CDW costs $12.00, and the membership
year is just now beginning.

A special dance event is planned for Friday, September
28. Robert Moir, visiting from the UK, is master of
ceremonies. The music will be provided by Garden
Variety - Leah Barkan, George Davis, and Sue Polansky.
 
Directions to the Church in the Highlands are
available at the CDW website:
 http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/2225/
 
For more information, call Susan at 914/762-8619 or
Leah at 914/693-5577.


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Dear Hanny,
    Thank you so much for stating the obvious. 
    Last year I stated as much on this site and was blasted by most-(except 
from Andy)-as probably weird. [Well, sometimes I do have those moments  :--) 
]But seriously, privacy is tough enough-one does not need for someone to put 
our email and names on the Internet for others to use.

Sandra Linenschmidt
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Hi Sandra
I don't mind a bit you telling me if I get it wrong, as I often don't know
and it is so quick that it has gone whoosh! I suppose after two years is it,
no 18 months of email, I should know better, but I still make mistakes.
Best Wishes Alan
in Somerset UK.
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Dear Hanny,
    Thank you so much for stating the obvious.
    Last year I stated as much on this site and was blasted by most-(except
from Andy)-as probably weird. [Well, sometimes I do have those moments  :--)
]But seriously, privacy is tough enough-one does not need for someone to put
our email and names on the Internet for others to use.

Sandra Linenschmidt



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Sandra wrote;

> ]But seriously, privacy is tough enough-one does not need for someone to put
> our email and names on the Internet for others to use.

Well, um, everybody who posts to the list should be aware that the list
archives are available on the Internet.  (There's no easily downloadable
list of members - you can't get that unless you're subscribed - but there's
no obfuscation of the address in the archive either.)

I don't think my archives are very much accessible to robots (and my server
logs don't show robots or search engines downloading them), so I don't think
there's any real vulnerability to extra spammage,  but the archives are 
certainly accessible to any person with a web browser, so the availability of
the archives means that neither your email address nor your words posted to
this list are, in fact, secret or private.

Just a reminder.

-- Alan


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I agree with Alan, that name-calling and contentiousness can
poison this list.  The best, most interesting discussions I have
had were with those who disagreed with me very strongly, but 
we recognized that each meant well, and no one had a monopoly
on the truth (tempting though the idea may be.)

The dance community *is* a precious resource, in this crazy 
time when clinging to normalcy is so very necessary.  Those 
scenes on TV are unspeakably horrifying, but living here in
N Y City has an extra element of poignancy and immediacy --
the smell of burning still in the air when the wind is right, 
the smoke still rising.  Going to our opening English dance this
past Tuesday, on 13th Street in Greenwich Village, I saw a 
number of  those "missing" posters put up by anxious friends 
and relatives.  Of course I'd seen all that on TV, but touching 
one of the sheets with my hand made it so much more real.  
And there was one of the posters asking if you knew of any
pet with a missing person.  I remember first hearing about
these and at first reacting negatively about these peoples'
priorities, as did many others, until I heard that one of those
organizing this effort had lost a sister in one of the towers,
and this was his own attempt at returning to normalcy, 
being concerned about our innocent four-legged friends, 
as we ourselves seek normalcy when we return to dancing.

It is a complex time for a complex country.  We've done many
bad things in the past, often motivated by fear of real or 
imagined dangers, but we've been a powerful force for good 
as well.   And we *can* learn.  I remember a story on 60 Minutes
years ago, about the internment of Japanese-Americans.  
Children without parents were being relocated to camps and
barracks at various locations.  On one bus, it was an hours-long
ride through the barren California countryside, kids of all ages
and one marine with a rifle.  The kids of course got bored and
tried to entertain themselves.  A little girl, about age 4, offered 
to sing something.  She walked to the front, turned around, and 
sang "God Bless America", as silence fell and tears ran down the
face of the marine. 

 Yes, we have learned our lesson, and our leaders at all levels are 
now campaigning nonstop to head off any attacks on Arab-
Americans (and anyone who looks Middle Eastern).  Of course 
there are always a few crazies who don't get the message,
but what a difference.  Here in Astoria, NY, one of the most
multi-ethnic areas in the world, there are a great many Arabs and
a number of mosques.  These people certainly look different and
stand out from everyone else, and like many others I looked upon 
them as somewhat mysterious figures, folks who seemed very
law-abiding and harmless, but hard to know.  It *is* good that so 
many of them are now speaking out on TV and elsewhere, that 
they have become less mysterious (and less menacing in the eyes 
of some), with the same outlook and values as other citizens, with 
the same grief at those tragic events.  On one TV session, a group 
of Arab-American kids looked very Arabic indeed, but when I 
closed my eyes and just listened, I never would have known.  It's 
ironic that this was an "eye-opening" experience.

Some cynics may say that we're just doing it to cozy up to the many
Moslem countries around the world, but I don't believe that.  We now
know what evil was done to those Japanese-Americans -- it's become
part of our national consciousness -- and we're not likely to do it
again.
Other good signs abound, like the worldwide awareness that we have
a common problem, that terror can strike anywhere, so even former
enemies may come together in common cause.  It's good that the need
for caution may be recognized in high places, so as to not make a bad 
situation worse; time will tell.   The missing piece may be the apparent
failure to emphasize how helpful it would be to deal with underlying 
causes.  When disaster struck, the plans for the long sought meeting 
between Sharon and Arafat were immediately dropped.  How sad, I 
thought, to do that at a time when it had become even more important.  

By the way, thanks for including that Dr Suess-like piece about the
Binch.  I had received it as an attachment but never opened it, for fear
of picking up a worm or virus that might have been unintentionally
included.  Do spread the word that whenever possible it would be good
for emails to be plain text without attachments.

Peace be with you.
   
Sol


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+++++25-14  37th St, Astoria, NY 11103; 718-278-4389 (after 11am)
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Despite the fact that the evidence points to him as the support
behind the hijackers and as much as the United States has wanted
Osama bin Laden for a long time, this thought struck me earlier
today as I was answering a question from a friend:

Not that I trust him at all, but a part of me wonders if bin
Laden might actually be telling the truth when he tells the US
that he had nothing to do with carrying out this attack, at
least not directly. He has trained or financed the training of
many people, but I'm not sure that he necessarily tells them
what to do. The actual plans may have been made without his
knowledge by one terrorist "cell" of which he was behind their
training. That's part of the problem with these groups, they are
trained to act independently to create destructive incidents
wherever they can. Members of one "cell" likely do not know the
members of other ones. It may even be that most, if not all, of
the members of the particular "cell" that planned this died on
the airplanes and that's why no one is claiming responsibility
for it.

Andy

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Hi all, 

The Baltimore Playford Ball still has room for more dancers, and we'd love to 
dance with you: October 20, at Church of the Redeemer in Baltimore. Bare 
Necessities plays. For info and a registration form, go to 
www.bfms.org/events/playfordball.html, or contact us at playford-AT-
bfms.org or 
410-321-8419. 

For those who have sent in registrations and are wondering where the ball 
programs are, they should be mailed out in the next week. Events have delayed 
everything. 

Hope to see many of you in Baltimore!

Carl and Diane Friedman
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Does anyone have contact info for Erna-Lynne Bogue? 
Thanks.
Carl Friedman
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Just a quick advert if that's OK? (As English Song & Dance managed to
miss out all of South Yorkshires Diary Dates for the next 3 months -
EFDSS & the printers haven't got a clue how or why!!)

So, the next main dance is on October 6th at St. Thomas More Church
Hall, Sheffield. (See www.fisy.freeserve.co.uk  for map etc.)

Colin Wallace is calling and "Up a Double" (Fiona Maurice Smith and Al
Harris) are providing the music.
Workshops start at 2.15 pm and evening dance at 7.00 pm

Colin is the writer/choreographer/maker-upperer of many superb dances,
and has also published 11 books of dances, his latest being "Cumbriana
Jones and the Temple of Doom".  Fiona & Al are well known for their
superb music, so this will be a workshop and dance not to be missed!

If you know of any people not on efdsstalk or the ecd who may wish to
attend - please let them know - or ask them to give me a ring on 0114
2882685 for more details.

Thanks,
Trevor Monson





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Hi Carl -- This is CarA Friedman.  One letter and we could change identities
and the list wouldn't even know it!  ha.  Nice to meet you.

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Does anyone have contact info for Erna-Lynne Bogue?
Thanks.
Carl Friedman

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Hi Alan -
I think we all are most grateful for your labor of love for ECD and for
making this sounding board available for our group! I, too, have taken note
of the email addresses of friends which I found only through their
participation in this list. But recently there has been a flurry of emails
from sources that are suspect, and we can help avoiding that by making use
of 'blind copy'. Total privacy? Forget it, it's a thing of the past!

  _-AT-
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On Fri, 21 Sep 2001, sol weber wrote:
>  Yes, we have learned our lesson, and our leaders at all levels are
> now campaigning nonstop to head off any attacks on Arab-
> Americans (and anyone who looks Middle Eastern).  Of course
> there are always a few crazies who don't get the message,
> but what a difference.  Here in Astoria, NY, one of the most

  HAVE "we" learned? I have many ties in Middle Eastern dance circles, and
it is tearing my heart out watching my friends all announce "CANCELED.
CANCELED. CANCELED...." and wondering when, if ever, it will be safe to
resume. And this is in smugly liberal-and-enlightened New York, where I
was taught in childhood that bigots were people who lived only in the
south.



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Just noting the irony: Will Linden writes "And this was in smugly
liberal-and-enlightened New York, where I was taught in childhood that
bigots were people who lived only in the south".

Now who's stereotyping?? I remember all those flags, and candles, and tears
on both black and white faces that  I saw last week in Tennessee and
Georgia, and here at home in Kentucky...and all the support and empathy in
my city for the local Islamic community. There are about five letters to the
editor in today's local paper reminding us of brotherhood and respect for
differences.

In all fairness, I do hope that Will is aware of the irony of his
statement - this is another instance of e-mail not being a completely
satisfactory method of communication. So if I missed something that was
meant to be more obvious, my apologies. This is not the time for further
division and stereotyping.

Susan Booker
Lexington, Kentucky

Reminder: The Levi Jackson Dance Weekend starts next Friday in London, KY -
contact Joe Tarter in Berea, KY for more info.

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> On Fri, 21 Sep 2001, sol weber wrote:
> >  Yes, we have learned our lesson, and our leaders at all
> > levels are now campaigning nonstop to head off any attacks
on
> > Arab-Americans (and anyone who looks Middle Eastern).  Of
> > course there are always a few crazies who don't get the
> > message, but what a difference.  Here in Astoria, NY, one of
> > the most
 
--- Will Linden <wlinden-AT-
panix.com> wrote:
>   HAVE "we" learned? I have many ties in Middle Eastern dance
> circles, and it is tearing my heart out watching my friends
all
> announce "CANCELED. CANCELED. CANCELED...." and wondering
when,
> if ever, it will be safe to resume. And this is in smugly
> liberal-and-enlightened New York, where I was taught in
> childhood that bigots were people who lived only in the south.

On the news this morning there was a piece on Arab students at
local Universities who are being told by their families to
return home, even though the students interviewed don't feel
threatened.

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Will was in fact condemning the smugness of those New Yorkers who deluded
themselves into thinking that bigotry and racial hatred did not exist in
the purportedly enlightened North.  Bigotry exists in both North and South.
 Let us be thankful that compassion and tolerance exist in both North and
South as well.
Sharon Green

At 11:28 AM 9/22/01 -0400, you wrote:
>Just noting the irony: Will Linden writes "And this was in smugly
>liberal-and-enlightened New York, where I was taught in childhood that
>bigots were people who lived only in the south".
>
>Now who's stereotyping?? I remember all those flags, and candles, and tears
>on both black and white faces that  I saw last week in Tennessee and
>Georgia, and here at home in Kentucky...and all the support and empathy in
>my city for the local Islamic community. There are about five letters to the
>editor in today's local paper reminding us of brotherhood and respect for
>differences.
>
>In all fairness, I do hope that Will is aware of the irony of his
>statement - this is another instance of e-mail not being a completely
>satisfactory method of communication. So if I missed something that was
>meant to be more obvious, my apologies. This is not the time for further
>division and stereotyping.
>
>Susan Booker
>Lexington, Kentucky
>
>Reminder: The Levi Jackson Dance Weekend starts next Friday in London, KY -
>contact Joe Tarter in Berea, KY for more info.

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Thanks for those who back channeled to encourage me to seek out a UN flag.
Just got off the phone after ordering one from an outfit in Boston after
exhausting resources closer.  The woman who took my order said mine was the
first, though they're deluged with US flag orders.   If anyone else is
interested, here's the source I found:
  Eagle Flag of America
(800) 442-1440 (toll-free)
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Carolyn Worthing

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Dear Friends,

I have been very moved by the reports of dances across the country in the
last 10 days.  Here is a brief report from Amherst, MA.

Last Sat night, Sept 15, Beverly Francis called here at the regular 3rd
Saturday English dance. Many dancers came, including several Marlboro Morris
Men.  It was so good to see everyone. There were candles lighting the path
into the hall, several vases of beautiful flowers from dancers' yards across
the front of the stage, and cards to Mary Jones and Jessica Murrow Adams
available to sign.  We danced "Peace Be With You" just before the break.

Monday night, Sept 17, was our weekly English dance called by Robin Hayden.
Again we danced "Peace Be With You," and again there were candles, flowers,
and cards, also a display of framed pictures of the Marlboro Morris and
Green Mountain Mummers teams of which Chris Carstanjen and Steve Adams were
such vital members.

Most touching for me was the well-worn yellow T-shirt hanging to the side
and behind the pictures.  We've all seen these T-shirts from time to time,
on Chris and on all the folks he gave them to a few years ago, as a thank
you for helping at his houseraising.  This one belongs to one of our regular
dancers, Richard Chamlin.  The T-shirts say (imagine the formatting)

I Was Framed 
    at
Christoffer's House Raising

Built 
MCMXCV
Turners Falls
Massachusetts


All door proceeds from both dances are being combined and sent to the
American Red Cross.  People were very generous, including the callers and
musicians who waived their fees.

I hope I've covered everything...if not, other Amherst dancers on the List
may want to chime in.

Joyce

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maryn, belated thanks for sharing your eloquent column.  i would love to
see it in the CDSS news for those who don't read the e-mail list.  would
it be possible to obtain permission to reprint? 

on another subject, at the suggestion of the band and caller, all the
proceeds from last wednesday's english dance in princeton are going to a
fund for the families of firefighters and ems personnel lost in the WTC.  
attendance was smallish, but it was good to be dancing and to see friends
i hadn't yet had a chance to connect with.  beverly francis spoke to the
group about steve and chris and then called peace be with you as the last
dance before the break.  the dance (already a favorite) has acquired a
special meaning over the past week and a half; it helps to know that
far-flung friends are dancing together in spirit.

susie lorand
princeton, nj usa

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Hmmm... I tried them on Saturday afternoon, and they said that they 
had no UN Flags available.  [hands on hips]  Did you guys order up 
their entire supply??  [just kidding about hands on hips]  Perhaps 
there is yet another source...

Roger Diggle


Carolyn Worthing wrote:  

>Thanks for those who back channeled to encourage me to seek out a UN flag.
>Just got off the phone after ordering one from an outfit in Boston after
>exhausting resources closer.  The woman who took my order said mine was the
>first, though they're deluged with US flag orders.   If anyone else is
>interested, here's the source I found:
>  Eagle Flag of America
>(800) 442-1440 (toll-free)
>eagleflag-AT-
aol.com
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I'm a T-shirt person, as one or two of you may know.  This
afternoon, while getting ready for the evening dance at
CDW (Country Dancers of Westchester), I was looking
through my stash of Tees, to select one suitable for the
aftermath of recent events.  Funny and silly were out,
I decided.  I came across "Shut up and dance"; I don't
think I'll wear *that* one for a while.  Likewise my local
Gilbert and Sullivan group's shirt, "Ruddy Gore", though 
it's my favorite G & S opera.   And there was that popular
shirt, "Dance or Die"; I don't think so.  

I shrugged and thought I'd just go back to basics.  I picked
up my good old CDNY T-shirt, and there in the background, 
behind the dancing couple,  was the N Y skyline and the Twin
Towers!  I felt a deep pang and a sudden wave of sadness,
and put it back on the shelf.  I guess I'll have to decide (as
will other CDNY people) whether to put them away for good,
especially with consideration for those in our community most
directly affected, or whether to wear them as a poignant 
reminder, and as an affirmation of the need to keep going.

Sol



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Hi Trevor and list
Sorry to hear of Trevor's problems. I also sent the programme of dates for
Halsway Events to Dave Arthur for publication in ED&S but for some reason (I
have not received any explanation why as yet,) this did not appear in the
recent edition which arrived last week.

If I may repeat this information here, so that guests as well as members may
call in, I would appreciate it;-

Programme of Events at Halsway Manor:

14 -16th Sept 2001.  Scottish & Playford weekend with Sue Horsham & John
Lowe with musician, Kathie Upton.
Chairman's Weekend 5-7th Oct 2001, including AGMs of the Society and
Friends.
Ken Sheffield Dance Weekend 2-4th Nov, 2001 musicians Susan & Peter Swann.
Christmas & Crafts Fair, Sunday 18th Nov, 2001. 10am - 4pm.
"Jingle Bells" 4 day break with all the trimmings of Christmas 13-16th Nov
2001.
Somerset Wassail House Party 4-6th Jan 2002. Grand Ceilidh with MC Brian
Heaton & "Come All Ye Band" led by Alan Corkett. Sat. 5th Jan. Dancing with
Entertainment; Mummers, Morris, Songs, Mince Pies & Mulled Wine, etc.
Numbers limited.
Special Scottish Dance Party 18-20th Jan. 2002 with Burn's Night. Host
Sheila Barnes
Young Musicians' Weekend 8-10 Feb. 2002 (18-21yrs)
Yetties Weekend 23-25th Feb. 2002 includes Sat night Concert, admission by
ticket.

STOP PRESS  Advanced notice JUBILEE FESTIVAL 2002 at Halsway Manor 1st - 4th
June, 2002. with John Chapman and Weston Country Dance Band at the Finale
Dance on the Tuesday Bank Holiday. Stewards and help required. Note the
dates now and contact the office with your offers.

Contact - Halsway Manor, Crowcombe Somerset TA4 4BD. Tel 01984 618274
Email office-AT-
halswaymanor.co.uk  web:www.halswaymanor.co.UK

Many thanks
Alan Corkett (trustee)

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Roger Diggle said:

<<Hmmm... I tried them on Saturday afternoon, and they said that they
had no UN Flags available.  [hands on hips]  Did you guys order up
their entire supply??  [just kidding about hands on hips]  Perhaps
there is yet another source...>>

Large cities usually have a UN Association that may be able to help...it
didn't for Caroline, but maybe elsewhere. Or perhaps a UN website?

Peace,
Paul



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Hi Mike and list
On 20th September Michael Barraclough wrote - "Any idea when the details
will appear on the Halsway Manor web site?"

The Contra Extravaganza  weekend details are now up on the website on the
EVENTS page, apart from a picture of John Meechan which we are waiting to
add. (See www.halswaymanor.co.uk)

Sorry for delay; I am sure this is going to be a winner so take advantage of
the early-bird fees and save five UK pounds (what's that 7 or 8 US dollars!)

Regards Alan Corkett
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On Monday, September 17, 2001 at 11:43:01 PM, Alan Corkett wrote:


> We have just set up a new event at Halsway Manor, Crowcombe, Somerset, UK;
.
> 5th-7th April 2002, with John Meechan calling, and the band is none other
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Susie Lorand wrote: 
> maryn, belated thanks for sharing your eloquent column. 
> i would love to see it in the CDSS news for those who
> don't read the e-mail list.  would it be possible to 
> obtain permission to reprint? 

Could I put it into the Boston Centre's newsletter, too?
Are there any articles about Steve floating around as well?
I'd like to put in something about both.

Thanks,
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Hi, Caroline, Roger,

I work at the UN, and will inquire on Monday.  There are gift shops in the 
General Assembly building which may well have flags available, but I doubt 
they've remained open in the wake of the WTC attack.  All the streets within 
a one block radius of the UN are blocked by huge sand trucks, and police are 
stationed there to check IDs.

The UN's website is www.un.org.  There's an "800" number for the UN 
Bookstore, which may be a source of information.  It's 1-800-553-3210, and 
the email address is "bookshop-AT-
un.org".

The United Nations Association, mentioned by Paul, has a New York office with 
the following email address:  unahq-AT-
unausa.org

We missed you, Caroline, at last night's opening of the Country Dancers of 
Westchester fall season.

Carol Martinez

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>Hi, Caroline, Roger,
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<BR>I work at the UN, and will inquire on Monday. &nbsp;There are gift shops in the General Assembly building which may well have flags available, but I doubt they've remained open in the wake of the WTC attack. &nbsp;All the streets within a one block radius of the UN are blocked by huge sand trucks, and police are stationed there to check IDs.
<BR>
<BR>The UN's website is www.un.org. &nbsp;There's an "800" number for the UN Bookstore, which may be a source of information. &nbsp;It's 1-800-553-3210, and the email address is "bookshop-AT-
un.org".
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<BR>We missed you, Caroline, at last night's opening of the Country Dancers of Westchester fall season.
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Dear Friends,

First, since this is message is going to two lists (ECD and MDDL), please
accept my apologies if you get it twice.  Aren't delete keys nice?

I'm not much of a contributor on-line, and when Allen and I moved from
Berkeley, CA in the summer of 1999, I just took myself off all lists-- that
seemed easiest.  Our wanderings took us first to Colorado Springs, CO and
now we're in Wooster, OH, at least until next summer.  I kept thinking I
would resubscribe, but never did.  Until September 11.

As the horror of that day unfolded, so many of my thoughts were for my
dance friends, and I knew where I would find the fastest news:  right here.
So I subscribed again.  And I heard the terrible news of losing Christopher
and Steve.  I also heard all of the support of the dance community, over
and over, and I am still hearing it.  As each of you have checked in, and
each familiar name has printed on my screen, I have felt more connected in
a caring community.  So I want to add my grateful thanks for you all and
the helpful things you have said in this very difficult time.

Alisa


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Thanks a million to Philippe Callens for calling the dance "Peace be with
you" at the NVS autumn dance weekend in Nunspeet, the Netherlands. All
participants felt a kinship with all the other English Country Dancers in
the world.

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Dear friends,

There is a web site where we can contribute our memories of those who
died on September 11:

    www.legacy.com/nytimes/Sept.asp?Memorial=WTC

Chris Carstanjen is listed among those on United Flight #175. Steve
Adams is not listed among those in the World Trade Center; presumably
only those confirmed will be listed there until some indefinite date..
--
Albert Blank

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For what it's worth...

While searching for a source for United Nations and World 
flags of one sort and another, I stumbled across some 
interesting web sites.  A source for the UN flag is 
included here, as well as information on a number of other 
international, world, and peace flags.  I'm thinking of 
purchasing the NASA style Earth flag, with photo of Earth 
from space, that is often associated with Earth Day.  
There are two Earth Days available, by the way.  

Enjoy or delete as you are moved.

http://www.flagemporium.com/specials.html 
http://www.oneworldflag.org/
http://www.earthflag.net/
http://www.icrc.org/eng/emblem/
http://www.roerich.org/pact_and_banner.html
http://www.un.org/Pubs/CyberSchoolBus/peaceflag/results/
http://www.thebird.org/store/flags/flag1.html
http://www.worldpeaceflag.org/
http://www.empowerothers.com/ourflag/
http://www.ship.edu/~cgboeree/worldflag.html

MartinezPC-AT-
aol.com wrote:  

>Hi, Caroline, Roger,
>
>I work at the UN, and will inquire on Monday.  There are gift shops in the 
>General Assembly building which may well have flags available, but I doubt 
>they've remained open in the wake of the WTC attack.  All the streets within 
>a one block radius of the UN are blocked by huge sand trucks, and police are 
>stationed there to check IDs.
>
>The UN's website is www.un.org.  There's an "800" number for the UN 
>Bookstore, which may be a source of information.  It's 1-800-553-3210, and 
>the email address is "bookshop-AT-
un.org".
>
>The United Nations Association, mentioned by Paul, has a New York office 
>with 
>the following email address:  unahq-AT-
unausa.org
>
>We missed you, Caroline, at last night's opening of the Country Dancers of 
>Westchester fall season.
>
>Carol Martinez
>
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--- "Albert A. Blank" <fandango-AT-
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> There is a web site where we can contribute our memories of
> those who died on September 11:

They changed the address sometime after Al posted it. It is now
<http://www.legacy.com/LegacyTribute/Tribute.asp>

Andy

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The Madison, Wisconsin, English Dancers met for a chilly fall picnic along 
the shore of the Wisconsin River to the warming sounds of the 
inaugural  performance of the Wisconsin River Consort this past Sunday, 
September 23, 2001, first day of Autumn in the 21st Century.  After a 
chilly morning with heavy rain (1.16 inches in the morning) and steadily 
falling temperatures from a high at 58 F at noon to 52 F at dinner time, 
the Madison group began the afternoon with recognition dances in memory of 
Tom Cook who died this week.

Jamaica (Tom Cook 4 couple variant)
I Care Not for These Ladies
Apley House
Jack's Health
Draper's Maggot

We ended with Winter Solstice to the tune Early One Morning (played AABB).

The comradery, liquid spirits, wood fire and potluck dinner culminated our 
afternoon as the troupe broke up for the day.

The only question of merit, aside from uncertainty of the caller from the 
chill, was:
"For the period of time that Draper's Maggot was written, what is the 
appropriate minuet steps that might have been used?"

The Keller and Shimer metronome setting of quarter note at 138 is too brisk 
for a waltz, and seems a bit choppy for the minuet step that some of us 
have learned along the path strewn with lost steps and stones.  Any 
suggestions will be listened to, but not necessarily adhered to!

First of October, we resume the warmth of an indoor hall (outdoors from 
June through September just to prove we are from Wisconsin), and look 
forward expectantly to October 15 for the nearly annual visit of Helene 
Cornelius to Madison.  This always warms our hearts (and hands) and draws 
new dancers to our community.

Mike Mudrey





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The Heather and Rose Country Dancers weekend of ECD (and a little SCD) with
Bare Necessities in Eugene Oregon will go forward as scheduled this coming
weekend September 28-30. There are still a few spaces available. For more
information look on our website at www.opendoor.com/heatherandrose (look at the
activities page). I look forward to seeing some of you there.

Brooke Friendly
Ashland OR

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--- bruce_hamilton-AT-
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> Today I went looking in new places, and found voices
> which come close to saying what is in my heart:
> <http://www.afsc.org/cro/colstat.html>
> <http://www.cnvc.org/>

May I add the website for the Unitarian Universalist
Association, <http://www.uua.org>

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I have now made an arrangement with the Belgian FD society to make use of
their US Bank Account for people to pay for copies of my book "An Enchanted
Place".

The price including postage is $10. I will trust readers to pay when they
receive the book. Please send me your postal address and I will send the
book together with details of how to make payment.

Antony Heywood


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Sorry I got the place wrong. The weekend was at Lage Vuursche near
Hilversum, not Nunspeet.
  Thanks a million to Philippe Callens for calling the dance "Peace be with
you" at the NVS autumn dance weekend in Nunspeet, the Netherlands. All
participants felt a kinship with all the other English Country Dancers in
the world.

  Antony Heywood

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff><SPAN class=270025313-24092001>Sorry I got 
the place wrong. The weekend was at Lage Vuursche near Hilversum, not 
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  Philippe Callens for calling the dance "Peace be with you" at the NVS autumn 
  dance weekend in Nunspeet, the Netherlands. All participants felt a kinship 
  with all the other English Country Dancers in the world.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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Sorry for the OT intrusion, but I thought someone here might have the
answer (especially given the number of dance recordings that are on old
75's).

When cleaning out my late grandmother's house, my parents found many 75
rpm records.  Most are musical recordings, but there are also some
family interviews that no one living can recall ever hearing.  My folks
are looking for an inexpensive 75 rpm turntable.  I've found some new
ones but they range US$400-600.  Used is fine as long as it works.  Any
suggestions?

--Charlene

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75? Are you sure they aren't 78 rpm records?

Tom Vincent

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> Sorry for the OT intrusion, but I thought someone here might have the
> answer (especially given the number of dance recordings that are on old
> 75's).
> 
> When cleaning out my late grandmother's house, my parents found many 75
> rpm records.  Most are musical recordings, but there are also some
> family interviews that no one living can recall ever hearing.  My folks
> are looking for an inexpensive 75 rpm turntable.  I've found some new
> ones but they range US$400-600.  Used is fine as long as it works.  Any
> suggestions?
> 
> --Charlene
> 
> -- 
> Never test the depth of the water with both feet.
> =====
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Hi Charlene -
75????????? You must mean 78 rpm. Suggestions are: flea markets, thrift
stores or ebay. Ask around among your older acquaintances as well (and
dance callers with variable speed record players!). Not hard to find at
all!
Good luck!

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Hi Charlene -- If you do a search in Excite.com or elsewhere, use
"turntables" and you'll get lots of listings.  Also, here is a link of
turntables on sale:

http://www.dealtime.com/SearchResults/SearchResultsComponent/1,2444,D-44
1------,00.html?seq_item_id=38117599&keywords=turntables&minP=0&maxP=0&p
rod_id=0&form_id=441&searchid=&SIM=&header=

Hope this helps.  -- Cara 



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Hi Charlene -
75????????? You must mean 78 rpm. Suggestions are: flea markets, thrift
stores or ebay. Ask around among your older acquaintances as well (and
dance callers with variable speed record players!). Not hard to find at
all! Good luck!

  _-AT-
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 /\ /\_._,<_/
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Hey Charlene -- Here are two more sites that DO sell multi-speed
turntables.  -- Cara

http://www.esotericsound.com/table.htm

http://www.kabusa.com/turntables.htm




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Hi Charlene -
75????????? You must mean 78 rpm. Suggestions are: flea markets, thrift
stores or ebay. Ask around among your older acquaintances as well (and
dance callers with variable speed record players!). Not hard to find at
all! Good luck!

  _-AT-
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 /\ /\_._,<_/
'  \      /_\
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--- Charlene Charette <charlene-AT-
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> My folks are looking for an inexpensive 75 rpm turntable. 
> I've found some new ones but they range US$400-600.  Used
> is fine as long as it works.  Any suggestions?

For lowest cost, you could try thrift stores. look for units
that have a radio, cassette deck and turntable built in with
seperate speakers. I've seen these for very low prices.

Andy

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I'm not an audiophile, but seems to me that you should invest in a new
needle for whatever used turntable you get.  You don't want to destroy
your records on the first (re)playing.

--Deb
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The San Francisco Bay Area Country Dance Society annual Playford Ball 
will be held March 23, 2002, at the Greek Orthodox Cathedral in Oakland.  
Our theme this year is "A Midsummer Night's Dream" with Bob Fraley as The 
Manager of Mirth and Bangers and Mash (Chuck Ward, Stan and Susan Kramer 
and David Strong) providing delectable music.

Registration materials will be available in December.  If you want some 
flyers for your group, please let me know where I can mail them, and how 
many you think you will need.  Though it is not yet ready, there will be 
information and a registration form available at www.bacds.org/playford 
soon.  Please keep checking.

The program is nearly set, and I would like to start now to build a list 
of those dance leaders, especially on the West Coast, who would like to 
receive the teachers' directions and special music when those are 
available.  Please reply to mary-AT-
luckhardt.com with your email and snail 
mail address if you would like a set.  We hope to have those ready by 
Thanksgiving, to give everyone a chance to review our dances.

We look forward to welcoming lots of you next spring!

Mary Luckhardt
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How can I resist?
please, add my name to the list for fliers (actually, I already have the
"save the date" fliers sent by Carol-Ann), and to the list for teacher's
material.
Thank you. See you friday, saturday for sure.
Giovanni


Mary Luckhardt wrote:
> 
> The San Francisco Bay Area Country Dance Society annual Playford Ball
> will be held March 23, 2002, at the Greek Orthodox Cathedral in Oakland.
> Our theme this year is "A Midsummer Night's Dream" with Bob Fraley as The
> Manager of Mirth and Bangers and Mash (Chuck Ward, Stan and Susan Kramer
> and David Strong) providing delectable music.
> 
> Registration materials will be available in December.  If you want some
> flyers for your group, please let me know where I can mail them, and how
> many you think you will need.  Though it is not yet ready, there will be
> information and a registration form available at www.bacds.org/playford
> soon.  Please keep checking.
> 
> The program is nearly set, and I would like to start now to build a list
> of those dance leaders, especially on the West Coast, who would like to
> receive the teachers' directions and special music when those are
> available.  Please reply to mary-AT-
luckhardt.com with your email and snail
> mail address if you would like a set.  We hope to have those ready by
> Thanksgiving, to give everyone a chance to review our dances.
> 
> We look forward to welcoming lots of you next spring!
> 
> Mary Luckhardt

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Apologies to the list for the wasted bandwidth: quite obviously the
previous reply was intended for Mary alone.


Mary Luckhardt wrote:
> 
> The San Francisco Bay Area Country Dance Society annual Playford Ball
> will be held March 23, 2002, at the Greek Orthodox Cathedral in Oakland.
> Our theme this year is "A Midsummer Night's Dream" with Bob Fraley as The
> Manager of Mirth and Bangers and Mash (Chuck Ward, Stan and Susan Kramer
> and David Strong) providing delectable music.
> 
> Registration materials will be available in December.  If you want some
> flyers for your group, please let me know where I can mail them, and how
> many you think you will need.  Though it is not yet ready, there will be
> information and a registration form available at www.bacds.org/playford
> soon.  Please keep checking.
> 
> The program is nearly set, and I would like to start now to build a list
> of those dance leaders, especially on the West Coast, who would like to
> receive the teachers' directions and special music when those are
> available.  Please reply to mary-AT-
luckhardt.com with your email and snail
> mail address if you would like a set.  We hope to have those ready by
> Thanksgiving, to give everyone a chance to review our dances.
> 
> We look forward to welcoming lots of you next spring!
> 
> Mary Luckhardt

-- 
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Updated webpage for Madison, Wisconsin

http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/mecds/home.htm



Mike

Madison English Country Dancers

Madison (Wisconsin) English Country Dancers meet
on the first and third Mondays of the month from 7:30-9:30 PM.

Dancing
         October through May at the Wilmar Center,
                 953 Jenifer St., Madison,
         June through September in front of Memorial Library,
                 University of Wisconsin-Madison,

For more information, contact

         Mike (mgmudrey-AT-
mhtc.net),
         Frances (fhough-AT-
mailbag.com),
         Jean (608-231-1040) or
         Don (608-238-9951)
Website

http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/mecds/home.htm

Helen Cornelius visits Madison October 15, 2001
http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/mecds/home.htm#New_

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<html>
Updated webpage for Madison, Wisconsin<br><br>
<a href="http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/mecds/home.htm" eudora="autourl">http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/mecds/home.htm</a><br><br>
<br><br>
Mike <br>
<x-sigsep><p></x-sigsep>
<b>Madison English Country Dancers<br><br>
</b><i>Madison (Wisconsin) English Country Dancers meet<br>
on the first and third Mondays of the month from 7:30-9:30 PM. <br>
&nbsp;<br>
Dancing <br>
<x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>October
through May at the Wilmar Center, <br>
<x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab><x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>953
Jenifer St., Madison,<br>
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through September in front of Memorial Library, <br>
<x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab><x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>University
of Wisconsin-Madison,<br><br>
For more information, contact<br>
&nbsp;<br>
</i><x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab><i>Mike
(mgmudrey-AT-
mhtc.net),<br>
<x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>Frances
(fhough-AT-
mailbag.com), <br>
<x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>Jean
(608-231-1040) or <br>
<x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>Don
(608-238-9951)<br>
</i>Website <br><br>
<b><a href="http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/mecds/home.htm" eudora="autourl">http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/mecds/home.htm</a></b>
<br><br>
Helen Cornelius visits Madison October 15, 2001<br>
<a href="http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/mecds/home.htm#New" eudora="autourl">http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/mecds/home.htm#New</a>_</html>

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I'd like to say a big "thank you" to everyone who responded.  And so
quickly, too!  I also thank you for the suggestions on how to save these
recordings into a computer-readable format to preserve them.

Yes, I made a typo -- it should have been 78rpm.  In my defense, I had
surgery Wednesday and me and codeine are having a bit of a
relationship.  :-)

--Charlene

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In a message dated 9/24/2001 7:27:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
mary-AT-
luckhardt.com writes:


> The San Francisco Bay Area Country Dance Society annual Playford Ball 
> will be held March 23, 2002, at the Greek Orthodox Cathedral in Oakland.  
> Our theme this year is "A Midsummer Night's Dream" with Bob Fraley as The 
> Manager of Mirth and Bangers and Mash (Chuck Ward, Stan and Susan Kramer 
> and David Strong) providing delectable music.
> 
> 

Any particular reason why you are selecting a summer theme  for around the 
time of the vernal equinox?   - dfh

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<BR>
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<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">The San Francisco Bay Area Country Dance Society annual Playford Ball 
<BR>will be held March 23, 2002, at the Greek Orthodox Cathedral in Oakland. &nbsp;
<BR>Our theme this year is "A Midsummer Night's Dream" with Bob Fraley as The 
<BR>Manager of Mirth and Bangers and Mash (Chuck Ward, Stan and Susan Kramer 
<BR>and David Strong) providing delectable music.
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The power of music to heal is very much appreciated by all of
us, more so now than ever before.  I received the following
the other day, an unforgettable story about a Juilliard music 
student, William Harvey.  The original sender, Sybille Werner, 
who conducts the Community Orchestra here in NY, gave me 
permission to send it out freely, and you are free to do so as well.  
I apologize for its length, but you won't soon forget it.        Sol

                                              ***************

Monday, Sept. 17

Yesterday I had probably the most incredible and moving experience of my
life. Juilliard organized a quartet to go play at the Armory. The Armory
is a huge military building where families of people missing from
Tuesday's disaster go to wait for news of their loved ones. Entering the
building was very difficult emotionally, because the entire building (the
size of a city block) was covered with missing posters. Thousands of
posters, spread out up to eight feet above the ground, each featuring a
different, smiling, face.

I made my way into the huge central room and found my Juilliard buddies.
For two hours we sight-read quartets (with only three people!), and I
don't think I will soon forget the grief counselor from the Connecticut
State Police who listened the entire time, or the woman who listened only
to "Memory" from Cats, crying the whole time.

At 7, the other two players had to leave; they had been playing at the
Armory since 1 and simply couldn't play any more. I volunteered to stay
and play solo, since I had just got there. I soon realized that the
evening had just begun for me: a man in fatigues who introduced himself
as Sergeant Major asked me if I'd mind playing for his soldiers as they
came back from digging through the rubble at Ground Zero.

Masseuses had volunteered to give his men massages, he said, and he
didn't think anything would be more soothing than getting a massage and
listening to violin music at the same time. So at 9:00 p.m., I headed up
to the second floor as the first men were arriving. From then until
11:30, I played everything I could do from memory: Bach B Minor Partita,
Tchaikovsky Concerto, Dvorak Concerto, Paganini Caprices 1 and 17,
Vivaldi Winter and Spring, Theme from Schindler's List, Tchaikovsky
Melodie, Meditation from Thais, Amazing Grace, My Country 'Tis of Thee,
Turkey in the Straw, Bile Them Cabbages Down.

Never have I played for a more grateful audience. Somehow it didn't
matter that by the end, my intonation was shot and I had no bow control.
I would have lost any competition I was playing in, but it didn't matter.

The men would come up the stairs in full gear, remove their helmets, look
at me, and smile. At 11:20, I was introduced to Col. Slack, head of the
division.

After thanking me, he said to his friends, "Boy, today was the toughest
day yet. I made the mistake of going back into the pit, and I'll never do
that again." Eager to hear a first-hand account, I asked, "What did you
see?" He stopped, swallowed hard, and said, "What you'd expect to see."
The Colonel stood there as I played a lengthy rendition of Amazing Grace
which he claimed was the best he'd ever heard. By this time it was 11:30,
and I didn't think I could play anymore. I asked Sergeant Major if it
would be appropriate if I played the National Anthem. He shouted above
the chaos of the milling soldiers to call them to attention, and I played
the National Anthem as the 300 men of the 69th Division saluted an
invisible flag.

After shaking a few hands and packing up, I was prepared to leave when
one of the privates accosted me and told me the Colonel wanted to see me
again. He took me down to the War Room, but we couldn't find the Colonel,
so he gave me a tour of the War Room. It turns out that the division I
played for is the Famous Fighting Sixty-Ninth, the most decorated
division in the U.S. Army. He pointed out a letter from Abraham Lincoln
offering his condolences after the Battle of Antietam...the 69th suffered
the most casualties of any division at that historic battle. Finally, we
located the Colonel.

After thanking me again, he presented me with the coin of the regiment.
"We only give these to someone who's done something special for the
69th," he informed me. He called over the division's historian to tell me
the significance of all the symbols on the coin. As I rode the taxi back
to Juilliard...free, of course, since taxi service is free in New York
right now...I was numb. Not only was this evening the proudest I've ever
felt to be an American, it was my most meaningful as a musician and a
person as well. At Juilliard, kids are hypercritical of each other and
very competitive. The teachers expect, and in most cases get, technical
perfection. But this wasn't about that. The soldiers didn't care that I
had so many memory slips I lost count. They didn't care that when I
forgot how the second movement of the Tchaikovsky. went, I had to come up
with my own insipid improvisation until I somehow (and I still don't know
how) got to a cadence. I've never seen a more appreciative audience, and
I've never understood so fully what it means to communicate music to
other people.

And how did it change me as a person? Let's just say that, next time I
want to get into a petty argument about whether Richter or Horowitz was
better, I'll remember that when I asked the Colonel to describe the pit
formed by the tumbling of the Towers, he couldn't. Words only go so far,
and even music can only go a little further from there.

Your friend, William Harvey 


+++++Sol "Roundman"  Weber --- "So many rounds, so little time"
+++++25-14  37th St, Astoria, NY 11103; 718-278-4389 (after 11am)
++SINGERS and musicians, contact me for info on books, albums, and 
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----- Original Message -----
From: Deb Karl <debkarl-AT-
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Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: OT: 75 RPM turntable


<<I'm not an audiophile, but seems to me that you should invest in a new
needle for whatever used turntable you get.  You don't want to destroy
your records on the first (re)playing.>>

I am, and she's dead right. No matter what the seller says, get a new needle
before you start playing -- and make sure it's a 78 rpm needle. Many
cartridges (that's the thingy that the needle's part of) have special
needles (styli) available for 78s -- when you find a table, post the info
about the cartridge and I can help guide you to a 78 needle.

Peace,
Paul

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Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 00:42:06 -0400
From: eclectic-AT-
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Subject: OT: Yet another stupid virus
To: ECD-AT-
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Since this list seems to get hit by viruses and hoaxes a lot, I 
thought I should forward this on.  I've confirmed it at two of the 
virus centers.  I recommend this site to view more details:

http://www.antivirus.com/vinfo/virusencyclo/default5.asp?VName=TROJ_VOTE.A

It would appear to only affect PCs, not Macs.

--Mike Bergman

>  Good evening,
>
>  Some ghoul, preying upon the fact that we're on the verge of war, 
> has crafted a typical self-replicating worm...
>
>  Do not open any email with the following subject header:
>
>  Subject: FW: Peace between America and Islam
>
>  There will be an attachment called WTC.exe, which is the worm
>
>
>  read more about this at this url:
>
>  http://www.techtv.com/news/internet/story/0,24195,3349374,00.html
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Subject: Re: OT: Yet another stupid virus
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Please don't post virus warnings to the ECD list.

(There are so many, we'd get warnings everyday.)

-- Alan


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Thank you Sol for forwarding the letter on the violinist at the Armory: I
thought that my tears were all gone but this turned them on again!

Ben Stein


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Hi folks:

If you're interested in learning something about the Taliban from primary
sources, check out:

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/Taliban/talebanlec.html

It's a speech, with Q & A, by a Taliban PR person (he doesn't quite admit
that that's what he is, but he is) visiting the USA last March. Very
interesting (and unsettling) reading.

Peace,
Paul

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Hi, Allison & all.  Everything is so different from Sept. 10th,
but trying to get back to normal discussion....

Allison wrote:
>> I'd also be careful about lumping together the early stuff; there
>> are distinct differences between the Really Early Stuff, the
>> Baroque stuff, the later 18thc/early 19thc stuff, and the
>> later 19thc stuff.  Cuckolds is in the early bit, Orleans I'd
>> say well into Baroque, and Wilson into the next group.  We
>> may have not merely apples and oranges but a whole basket
>> of fruit here.
>
>Pray elucidate!  I'm sure many of us would like to hear your thoughts! 
>Some people on the list are experts in different parts of the fruit
>basket that you outline, so you will assuredly create vibrant response,
>but that debate is part of what makes this an interesting discussion
>list.

Okay, with the caveats that I am not a professional scholar of this
material, have not conducted an exhaustive study of it, and that this
is in any case a set of generalizations to which I'm sure people will
be able to find exceptions, here's my feel for the evolutionary phases
of country dancing:

The very early stuff is characterized by more complex figures, a
greater variety of figures (sometimes unique to a single dance), and a
wider variety of set types.  Of the various rounds, sets for 2/3/4
couples, "square" sets for eight, and "weird" dances like Dargason,
the huge majority were added to Playford by 1665, and only one (the
Cushion Dance) was added after 1670.  By 1690 almost all of them had
been dropped; I think this was Henry Playford's second edition, and I
picture him sitting around in his editorial office muttering, "okay, I
left all these silly old-fashioned things in in the Old Man's memory
once, but now it's my book and I am soooo getting rid of this junk..."
Of the "longways for as many as will" dances (LFAMAW), there's still a
lot of weird progressions and sometimes no progression at all.  The
form was still experimental and not yet standardized.  The old
"leading, siding, arming" formula was found in many dances but not in
all, and in a number of variant forms.  I think this is the "old" form
of country dancing which was rapidly going out of style in the
1650-1690 transitional period.

The next group would be characterized by two things: the standard form
and progression of the LFAMAW dance with either a duple or triple
minor progression, and a huge reduction in the number and variety of
figures.  The "leading, siding, arming" format nearly disappeared;
figures like casting off, hands round, various forms of
place-changing, became dominant.  Overall the dances became shorter
and very repetitive and it became more practical to learn them as you
went by simply joining the end of the set and watching as the dance
came down to you (remembering that the original progression style
involved only the first couple starting the dance and participation
rippling down the set until everyone was moving.)  I have read that
this parallels the architectural development of "great halls" and long
rooms in which one could do the LFAMAW sets; I don't know if this is a
cause or effect of the change in dance style.  Finally, there was now
a French influence as the dance style went to France and came back
with frills on - notably, fancy footwork became an option; bourree,
contretemps de gavotte, etc.  See Essex's translation of Feuillet.

By the end of the 18thc and beginning of the 19thc, dance manuals have
pretty firmly fixed on the triple minor set and the use of fairly
limited French steps (chasse'-jete'-assemble') as the standard ones
for country dances.  The waltz country dance (which Wilson claimed
to have invented) was introduced, and the cotillion had come over
from France in its quadrille format (a whole different subject...).
Some fancier figures came back, although Wilson's manuals show a lot
more of them than other manuals of the period.  This is "Regency"
dancing, which is almost invariably simplified into MECD form when
shown in movies or taught in Regency groups, for good reason - 
going through a full country dance at full speed using the period
steps can leave any but the most aerobic gasping on the ground
with trembling muscles.  It becomes obvious that ballrooms were
inhabited by teenagers looking for spouses - who else would have
the stamina?  I suspect that the older one got and/or the lower
in society the more the steps were simplified.

Finally, in the 1820's-1840's, all the fancy stuff went *poof*.  It
became impolite to do fancy steps in quadrilles or country dances - it
was considered too theatrical for respectable people; I suspect that
this was partly because it took so much effort to learn and do.
There were still country dance manuals published, but far fewer,
and the major ballroom manuals of the day contained mostly round
dances (waltz, polka, etc.) and quadrilles (hugely popular) with
only a few country dances, some of which were clearly influenced
by quadrille figures.  Triple minor sets vanished and duple
minor became pretty universal (perhaps because one no longer needed
time in a near-inactive role to recover from being in an active one!)
This is the first time I see the "Sicilian circle" dances (couple
facing couple around a circle) come in.  

Sorry to be long-winded; I hope this is useful.  Once again, this is
my opinion from my own studies and observations, which are not
exhaustive, and I am quite sure there are exceptions to everything
I've said, but I feel reasonably confident about the overall trends I
see.  My own interest and research focus primarily on the very early
stuff and the Regency era stuff; I also dance later 19th century
dances socially and study Baroque dance for technique help on the
Regency material.

Susan











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In a message dated 9/25/01 7:01:31 AM,Dfhart24-AT-
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>In a message dated 9/24/2001 7:27:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
>mary-AT-
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>
>> The San Francisco Bay Area Country Dance Society annual Playford Ball
>> will be held March 23, 2002, at the Greek Orthodox Cathedral in Oakland.
>> Our theme this year is "A Midsummer Night's Dream" with Bob Fraley as
>The 
>> Manager of Mirth and Bangers and Mash (Chuck Ward, Stan and Susan Kramer
>> and David Strong) providing delectable music.
>> 
>Any particular reason why you are selecting a summer theme for around
>the 
>time of the vernal equinox?   - dfh

Possible answers:

a) It's a Bay Area thing, you wouldn't understand.  

b) Who are we to be confined by traditional, linear notions of seasonality?  
This is *California*.

c) We're ahead of our time in this as in all things.  

d) We were going to do a "Rite of Spring" Ball, but couldn't find anyplace to 
rent the dinosaurs

e) We've always done it this way.



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friends,

beth lewis is looking to share a ride to chris's memorial service this
saturday.  she's near princeton, nj, but if anyone is going from phila.,
north jersey, or nyc, that might work too.

she does not have e-mail right now, so please call her at 609-924-4917 if
you can help.

thanks,

susie lorand

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--- Tideswell-AT-
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> b) Who are we to be confined by traditional, linear notions of
> seasonality?  
> This is *California*.


And the season's are something like Oregon, WET and DRY.

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I must beg the pardon of Craig Johnson, Bay Area pianist extrordinaire 
and all around great guy.  It is he who grounds Bangers and Mash.  Thus 
our band will be Bangers and Mash (Craig Johnson, Stan and Susan Kramer 
and David Strong.  My apologies.

Chuck Ward is heard most regularly at the Sebastopol dance, just north of 
the Bay Area, and at many special events nationwide.

Sorry,
Mary

On 9/24/01 4:27 PM Mary Luckhardt said:

>The San Francisco Bay Area Country Dance Society annual Playford Ball 
>will be held March 23, 2002, at the Greek Orthodox Cathedral in Oakland.  
>Our theme this year is "A Midsummer Night's Dream" with Bob Fraley as The 
>Manager of Mirth and Bangers and Mash (Chuck Ward, Stan and Susan Kramer 
>and David Strong) providing delectable music.
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Though Nilos answered very well, the real reasons are:

a) Our ball happens in the spring, not the summer (probably folks 
wouldn't want to dance in 105 degree temps, which could happen in June)

b) It's Shakespeare!  You don't have to perform Twelfth Night just in 
January, right?

So come ye Bottoms, Titanias, Pucks and Lovers all to our enchanted wood, 
and summer it will be, though the weather be but mild.

Mary

On 9/25/01 12:00 PM Nilos Nevertheless said:

>
>In a message dated 9/25/01 7:01:31 AM,Dfhart24-AT-
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>>In a message dated 9/24/2001 7:27:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
>>mary-AT-
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>>> Our theme this year is "A Midsummer Night's Dream" with Bob Fraley as
>>> Manager of Mirth...
>>Any particular reason why you are selecting a summer theme for around
>>the 
>>time of the vernal equinox?   - dfh
>
>Possible answers:
>
>a) It's a Bay Area thing, you wouldn't understand.  
>
>b) Who are we to be confined by traditional, linear notions of seasonality?  
>This is *California*.
>
>c) We're ahead of our time in this as in all things.  
>
>d) We were going to do a "Rite of Spring" Ball, but couldn't find anyplace 
>to 
>rent the dinosaurs
>
>e) We've always done it this way.
>
>
>
>
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On Tue, 25 Sep 2001, Mary Luckhardt wrote:

> I must beg the pardon of Craig Johnson, Bay Area pianist extrordinaire 
> and all around great guy.  It is he who grounds Bangers and Mash.  Thus 
> our band will be Bangers and Mash (Craig Johnson, Stan and Susan Kramer 
> and David Strong.  My apologies.
> 
> Chuck Ward is heard most regularly at the Sebastopol dance, just north of 
> the Bay Area, and at many special events nationwide.

To give just one example, Chuck will be emerging from the vinous
hinterlands of Sebastopol to tickle the ivories at the BACDS Fall Ball on
November 17, in the company of bass violist Dan Reynolds, violinist Avis
Minger, and, well, modesty forbids.

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<<It is he who grounds Bangers and Mash. >>

The prospect of ground bangers and mash is terrifying. Up there with
Stargazy Pie and Coca-Cola Salad.

Peace,
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This article appeared in the Hampshire Gazette (Northampton, MA).  It is a
wonderful tribute to Chris and Steve and also reflects the strength of
community that we share.  Rowena Roodman

By PHOEBE MITCHELL, Staff Writer
HAMPSHIRE GAZETTE 9.18.2001

Tuesday, September 18, 2001 -- The traditional six-person folk dancing of
the Marlboro Morris Men will go on without a full troupe when they perform
outside an Amherst church tonight.

"We'll be doing a dance with a hole in it," said morris dancer Stephen Howe
of Florence.

The symbolic gap will honor two members of the dance troupe, both victims
in last Tuesday's attack on the World Trade Center in New York City.

The dancers will meet shortly before 8 p.m. for their performance outside
the the Unitarian Universalist Society Church of Amherst on Pleasant
Street.

Stephen Adams, a morris dancer in Amherst and Vermont for close to 30
years, is listed as missing and presumed dead after a hijacked airliner
struck the southernmost tower of the World Trade Center, where he was
working at a restaurant on the 107th floor.

Christoffer M. Carstanjen, 33, of Turners Falls was aboard another hijacked
airliner and was killed when terrorists crashed it into the second World
Trade Center tower.

"I'm trying to imagine my life without those guys," said Fred DeVecca, a
writer, filmmaker and long-time morris dancer, in a phone interview from
his home in Conway.

Group members ranged widely in age and held a variety of jobs, but they
found a common bond in their morris dancing, DeVecca said.

"There's something about the dances that pulls you all together," he said
"We're much more than a dance team - we're very much like a family."

The group and their families regularly gathered for cookouts, softball
games and get-togethers to watch the World Series or the Super Bowl,
DeVecca said.

Last November, when DeVecca was sidelined for weeks with a serious medical
problem, Carstanjen took him shopping when he was unable to drive, he said.

Adams, who until three months ago lived about three miles away from
DeVecca's home, in Shelburne Falls, stopped by on his way to and from work
every day.

Adams worked with food and wine at Big Y's Table & Vine in Northampton
until April, DeVecca said, when he relocated to New York City for a job at
Windows on the World restaurant on the 107th floor of the north tower of
the World Trade Center.

"Steve was like a brother to me," said DeVecca. Two years ago Adams starred
in one of his films.

It was Adams, DeVecca said, who introduced him to morris dancing nearly 20
years ago when they were both living in Vermont.

Morris dancing - there are a few hundred morris dance groups in the
Northeast and several in the Amherst area - is a centuries-old ritual folk
dance, accompanied by drums, pipes, fiddles and melodeons. Dancers sing,
twirl and tromp in a series of choreographed gestures, using sticks, bells
and scarves.

"He took me to one of the practices and I just fell in love with it,"
DeVecca said.

Friends in the wrong place

DeVecca said that early Tuesday morning he received an e-mail from Adams,
sent the previous evening, expressing his optimism about his new job and
his recent promotion to the restaurant's beverage manager.

For Adams, who had struggled for years to find the right job, the promotion
offered a chance to start a normal life, DeVecca said. It also meant he had
to be at work by 8 a.m., instead of 3 p.m., when his former shift had
started.

He was there when the first airliner flew into the tower shortly before 9
a.m., DeVecca said.

He was still struggling with the news of Adams' death when he learned
Carstanjen was on United Flight 175 that hit the other tower.

Carstanjen joined the Amherst troupe in 1992 after attending one of its
classes.

A University of Massachusetts employee in the office of information
technologies, Carstanjen was an avid morris dancer - and motorcyclist. He
was on his way to California to ride along the coast.

One of the younger members of the group, Carstanjen was an enthusiastic
morris dancer.

"He was a funny, loving, happy guy," said Howe, who works for the
Haydenville-based Country Dance and Song Society. "He was always ready to
be there and be part of it."

DeVecca said it is hard to comprehend how, of all the thousands of dancers
in groups nationwide, two members of the same troupe, traveling different
paths, could suffer a similar fate in the attack on the 110-story twin
Trade towers.

"What are the chances of that?" he asked. "It just boggles the mind."

Members of the dance troupe gathered after a community prayer vigil in
Brattleboro Sunday to talk - and share funny stories about their friends.

Howe said it has been confusing mourning his friends in the context of the
larger, national tragedy.

"We have to get together and remember them as individuals," Howe said, and
share personal memories about them.

"Some will bring smiles, others will bring tears, he said. "There's no
smiles in the bigger picture."

Members also plan to gather at the Amherst Brewing Co., their traditional
meeting place, after their dance outside the church.

A memorial service is planned for Carstanjen Sept. 29 at 5 p.m., at
Sunderland Congregation Church.

DeVecca said he also has just begun to be able to consider the larger
tragedy and its political and social implications.

"I'm only now seeing what danger this could all bring," he said, if the
government decides to seek retribution for those lost in the attack.

He said he is sure that if Adams and Carstanjen could speak, they would be
against any such retaliation.

"They would say 'Don't start a war for us. Don't do it to honor us,' " he
said.

Adams will also be mourned as a member of the Vermont-based Green Mountain
Mummers, a street-theater troupe that each fall puts on a play to mark the
seasons' cycle of death and life.

Playing the part of the fool, Adams' character had the last line - "I'll
bring it back to life" - which, in the midst of the dying year, expresses
the hope of renewal in the coming spring.

"Somebody else will have to say his line now," Howe said.

HAMPSHIRE GAZETTE 9.18.2001


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Hi folks:

I thought this worth posting to the list.

Peace,
Paul

NY Times, September 26, 2001

A Time of Gifts
By STEPHEN JAY GOULD

The patterns of human history mix decency and depravity in equal measure. We
often assume, therefore, that such a fine balance of results must emerge
from societies made of decent and depraved people in equal numbers. But we
need to expose and celebrate the fallacy of this conclusion so that, in this
moment of crisis, we may reaffirm an essential truth too easily forgotten,
and regain some crucial comfort too readily forgone. Good and kind people
outnumber all others by thousands to one. The tragedy of human history lies
in the enormous potential for destruction in rare acts of evil, not in the
high frequency of evil people. Complex systems can only be built step by
step, whereas destruction requires but an instant. Thus, in what I like to
call the Great Asymmetry, every spectacular incident of evil will be
balanced by 10,000 acts of kindness, too often unnoted and invisible as the
"ordinary" efforts of a vast majority.

We have a duty, almost a holy responsibility, to record and honor the
victorious weight of these innumerable little kindnesses, when an
unprecedented act of evil so threatens to distort our perception of ordinary
human behavior. I have stood at ground zero, stunned by the twisted ruins of
the largest human structure ever destroyed in a catastrophic moment. (I will
discount the claims of a few biblical literalists for the Tower of Babel.)
And I have contemplated a single day of carnage that our nation has not
suffered since battles that still evoke passions and tears, nearly 150 years
later: Antietam, Gettysburg, Cold Harbor. The scene is insufferably sad, but
not at all depressing. Rather, ground zero can only be described, in the
lost meaning of a grand old word, as "sublime," in the sense of awe inspired
by solemnity.

In human terms, ground zero is the focal point for a vast web of bustling
goodness, channeling uncountable deeds of kindness from an entire planet -
the acts that must be recorded to reaffirm the overwhelming weight of human
decency. The rubble of ground zero stands mute, while a beehive of human
activity churns within, and radiates outward, as everyone makes a selfless
contribution, big or tiny according to means and skills, but each of equal
worth. My wife and stepdaughter established a depot on Spring Street to
collect and ferry needed items in short supply, including face masks and
shoe inserts, to the workers at ground zero. Word spreads like a fire of
goodness, and people stream in, bringing gifts from a pocketful of batteries
to a $10,000 purchase of hard hats, made on the spot a