Archive-Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 10:27:25 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 13:27:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Tideswell-AT- aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Texas Quarterhorse Quadrille Team To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT >And they're following an old tradition. Apparently, horse ballets were >very popular during the Renaissance and baroque eras. Judging from the >pictures I've seen (not that I've seen all that many), the choreography >was pretty spectacular! > >Dawn Culbertson Okay, this brings up some questions. How do two horses do a poussette? Nose to nose? And what about overs and unders? Can we even imagine the equestrian Morpeth Rant? Nilos ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 14:44:00 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 14:43:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Dancing Tractors, Horses, ...and LLamas?? To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20010527214350.24450.qmail-AT- web3302.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --- SUSAN B BOOKER wrote: > Which all makes me wonder about that dancing cat on the > current TV commercials....now, there's an endeavor: teaching > cats to dance! > Look for a book, "Dancing with Cats", which someone sent to me. ISBN 0-297-82530-5 By the same authors is "Why Cats Paint" ISBN 0-889815-612-2 Andy in Portland __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 15:01:49 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 15:01:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Texas Quarterhorse Quadrille Team To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20010527220139.18239.qmail-AT- web3303.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --- Tideswell-AT- aol.com wrote: > Okay, this brings up some questions. How do two horses do a > poussette? Nose to nose? Rearing up on their hind legs and joining front hooves like any other dancer would. Andy in Portland __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 15:03:05 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 14:56:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Texas Quarterhorse Quadrille Team To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20010527215612.17636.qmail-AT- web3303.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Allison M Thompson wrote: > > ...square dance performed with tractors. > > I may have vaguely heard of this. I have heard, of course, of > various precision lawn-chair/lawn-mower/briefcase marching & > drill teams, that perform (somewhere) in Memorial Day parades > after many gruelling minutes of rehearsal and practice. I have > never seen same, but will continue trolling the 500 channels > hoping to do so. > > I sure hope some movement-oriented anthropologist is out there > capturing folk expressions like these! All this talk of dancing tractors and such reminds me of a performance Reel Nutmeg did many years ago at a retirement home. After our performance we did a couple of dances with some of us pushing residents in wheelchairs through the dance. One time I saw a young man at the Crystal Ballroom doing swing dancing in his wheelchair. He and his partner had worked out the routines and he was bouncing and spinning and having a great time. I had more fun watching him have fun. Andy in Portland __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 08:22:03 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 11:21:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Tideswell-AT- aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Texas Quarterhorse Quadrille Team To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 5/28/01 7:00:46 AM, allisonthompson-AT- juno.com writes: >> Then you may have missed seeing a square dance performed with >> tractors. >> There are several groups in the USA that do that. I am not making >> this up. > > >I may have vaguely heard of this. I have heard, of course, of various >precision lawn-chair/lawn-mower/briefcase marching & drill teams, that >perform (somewhere) in Memorial Day parades after many gruelling minutes >of rehearsal and practice. I have never seen same, but will continue >trolling the 500 channels hoping to do so. > >I sure hope some movement-oriented anthropologist is out there capturing >folk expressions like these! > >Allison Not to mention the (no I'm not kidding) One and Only Original San Francisco Whip Drill Team, of happy memory. It flourished during the late eighties. Nilos ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 08:46:31 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 10:46:19 -0500 From: Roger Diggle Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Wheelchairs [Was: Re: Texas Quarterhorse Quadrille Team] To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20010528154619.OVYI29822.lowblow-AT- [204.71.145.48]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Andrew Peterson wrote: >One time I saw a young man at the Crystal Ballroom doing swing >dancing in his wheelchair. He and his partner had worked out the >routines and he was bouncing and spinning and having a great >time. I had more fun watching him have fun. Hello all... I've had the pleasure of calling dances, and dancing, at several episodes of Friends General Conference Gathering -- a week long gathering of Quakers that happens every Summer. It is not uncommon to see a few people dancing contras and squares in wheelchairs, right along with the ambulatory. It takes a bit of extra space, but the two modes of dancers accommodate beautifully, the dance proceeding without a hitch. It was great fun to watch one dancer, in particular, who was able to do a hey for four complete with the optional pirouettes at the ends, perfect timing, never invading anyone elses space. I know a few ordinarily-abled dancers who could learn from that example... Roger Diggle I'm out of my mind, but please leave a message... ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 09:17:30 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 11:16:28 -0500 From: Roger Diggle Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Texas Quarterhorse Quadrille Team To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20010528161628.DTLK9030.chruser-AT- [204.71.145.48]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Allison wrote: >I may have vaguely heard of this. I have heard, of course, of various >precision lawn-chair/lawn-mower/briefcase marching & drill teams, that >perform (somewhere) in Memorial Day parades after many gruelling minutes >of rehearsal and practice. I have never seen same, but will continue >trolling the 500 channels hoping to do so. > >I sure hope some movement-oriented anthropologist is out there capturing >folk expressions like these! For additional important information about the lawn mower version of English Country Dancing, I recommend the following: http://miami.com/herald/special/features/barry/archive/98oct18.htm Sad to say, I didn't have to use a search engine in order to find out about this. A band I played in for about 5 years occasionally played at the festival described in this highly unbiased newspaper account. Roger from Gondwanaland Any apparent resemblance of these opinions to any other opinions, whether actual or imagined, certainly is a coincidence, isn't it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 09:18:12 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 09:18:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Wheelchairs [Was: Re: Texas Quarterhorse Quadrille Team] To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20010528161801.9959.qmail-AT- web3301.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --- Roger Diggle wrote: > ...It was great fun to watch one dancer, in particular, who was > able to do a hey for four complete with the optional pirouettes > at the ends, perfect timing, never invading anyone elses space. > I know a few ordinarily-abled dancers who could learn from that > example... Like some who stepped on me at Folklife in Seattle on Saturday. One of them even managed to get me twice in the same step. > I'm out of my mind, but please leave a message... > Dancing well is all in the mind... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 10:30:56 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 11:50:14 -0400 From: catdancer-AT- juno.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Dancing Tractors, Horses, Llamas and Cats To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20010528.132751.-102459.4.catdancer-AT- juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Susan Booker wrote: > Which all makes me wonder about that dancing cat on the current TV > commercials....now, there's an endeavor: teaching cats to > dance! You got my attention!! Okay, my cat doesn't dance (yet), but he *does* sing, and *with the music* as those of you who've gotten my answering maching can attest. He did try playing the piano once (sitting on the bench, the proper way), but just couldn't get the hang of playing more just neighboring keys with one paw. Seriously, he loves music, especially classical, preferably live (except when it's me on the violin - then he hides under the bed). I've thought of taking him to a dance, but those two left feet.... As for horses: the Tennessee walkers have the step. They can probably be taught the choreography. Hmmm, do you think there may be a career in all this??? :) Helen Tuzio (aka catdancer) New York ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 10:50:37 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 12:50:26 -0500 (CDT) From: j-sivier-AT- ux1.cso.uiuc.edu Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Texas Quarterhorse Quadrille Team To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <200105281750.f4SHoQk21122-AT- staff3.cso.uiuc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Roger Diggle writes: > > For additional important information about the lawn mower version of > English Country Dancing, I recommend the following: > > http://miami.com/herald/special/features/barry/archive/98oct18.htm Living, as I do, in Champaign, IL, and working for the Aviation Research Lab of the University of Illinois which is based at Willard Airport mentioned in the article, I must say that the Lawn Rangers are local heroes, having brought fame and glory to east central Illinois by their association with Dave Barry. They've been mentioned in a couple of his articles over the years. The mention of Willard Airport in this article was probably the most national exposure the local airport ever got, except for the time President Clinton's airplane got stuck in the mud when he came here to give a speech a couple of years ago. I think the Lawn Rangers do hey-like figures in their routines, though I don't know who their choreographer is or if they know the history of some of the figures they do. They also toss their brooms across the set which is reminiscent of some Morris dances. I knkow that some dances have a tendency to drift one direction or another due to the figures in it. Has anyone ever tried to write a dance that would progress forward, moving a certain distance along the ground with each repetition of the dance so that it could be done in a parade? Jonathan ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Jonathan Sivier |Q: How many angels can dance on the | | j-sivier-AT- uiuc.edu | head of a pin? | | Flight Simulation Lab |A: It depends on what dance you call. | | Beckman Institute | | | 405 N. 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Hmmmmmmm that would be NorthWest Morris. Mary Beth Have clogs, will rant. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 13:58:12 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 15:58:01 -0500 From: Roger Diggle Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Choreographic Drift [was: Re: Texas Quarterhorse Quadrille Team] To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20010528205800.RCBK29822.lowblow-AT- [204.71.145.48]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT j-sivier-AT- ux1.cso.uiuc.edu wrote: > I knkow that some dances have a tendency to drift one direction or >another due to the figures in it. Has anyone ever tried to write a dance >that would progress forward, moving a certain distance along the ground >with each repetition of the dance so that it could be done in a parade? The worst drift in ordinary contra dance choreography (and in ECD as well, I suspect) is 1 place per change. You could increase that speed by composing a multiple progression dance with drift in each progression. But to get it to move at the speed of a parade? Yikes! Roger Diggle End Continental Drift NOW! ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 13:58:14 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 15:58:02 -0500 From: Roger Diggle Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Texas Quarterhorse Quadrille Team To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20010528205802.RCBO29822.lowblow-AT- [204.71.145.48]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT j-sivier-AT- ux1.cso.uiuc.edu wrote: > I think the Lawn Rangers do hey-like figures in their routines, though >I don't know who their choreographer is or if they know the history of >some of the figures they do. They also toss their brooms across the set >which is reminiscent of some Morris dances. I've tried to imagine the Lawn Rangers doing their thing using the choreography of The Black Joker, banging their broom handles at the distance required by the two lawn mowers touching nose to nose in the center of the set. Let's hope they never see Morris dancing. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 16:05:54 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 16:05:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Texas Quarterhorse Quadrille Team To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20010528230543.8441.qmail-AT- web3301.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --- Mary Beth Goodman wrote: > Hmmmmmmm that would be NorthWest Morris. > Do you think we do it differently here than in Upstate New York? Andy in The Great Northwest USA (I know your talking about NorthWest Morris from England, but I couldn't resist.) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 16:17:16 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 16:15:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: Texas Quarterhorse Quadrille Team To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01K43QILS1VQ8X2G1X-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > --- Mary Beth Goodman wrote: > > Hmmmmmmm that would be NorthWest Morris. > > > Do you think we do it differently here than in Upstate New York? > Andy in The Great Northwest USA > (I know your talking about NorthWest Morris from England, but I > couldn't resist.) I believe Seattle's North by NorthWest Morris does its best to do it the way they do it in England, which can be difficult when you need a thundering mob of 16 or 32 dancers and you have three. (I don't know how many the team has, but the one time I saw them was connected to Mendocino English Week, and there were only three team members there.) Incidentally, the traffic on the list lately makes it clear why newspaper people used to call this the Silly Season. -- Alan =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 07:27:08 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 10:26:54 -0400 (EDT) From: DavBarnert-AT- aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Dancing Tractors, Horses, Llamas and Cats To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <7a.158e843e.28450bae-AT- aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Helen wrote: >Okay, my cat doesn't dance (yet), I've thought of taking >him to a dance, but those two left feet.... Two left feet shouldn't be a problem, considering there are also two right feet to complement them. ______ /\/\/\/\ <______> | | | | | David Barnert <______> | | | | | <______> | | | | | Albany, N.Y. <______> \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 07:42:39 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 10:42:19 -0400 (EDT) From: S2LINEN-AT- aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Wheelchairs [Was: Re: Texas Quarterhorse Quadrille Team] To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <8e.16395766.28450f4b-AT- aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 05/28/2001 11:47:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, diggle-AT- bigfoot.com writes: << Andrew Peterson wrote: >One time I saw a young man at the Crystal Ballroom doing swing >dancing in his wheelchair. He and his partner had worked out the >routines and he was bouncing and spinning and having a great >time. I had more fun watching him have fun. >>Hi Folks, I have had the opportuity,at Alpine New Jersey, of seeing 2 young women in wheelchairs put some of the ambulatory dancers to shame with their fluid movements and precise timing. Also at a Zen of Waltz weekend at SplitTree Farm in Lafayette, GA-there was a guy waltzing in a specially constructed wheelchair. While he needed to instruct each new partner, most were repeat partners. Sandra ....I'd rather be dancing.... ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 08:14:22 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 11:14:11 -0400 From: "Stephen D. Corrsin" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: lawnmowers, etc To: ecd-digest-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU BCC: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT It appears to me that all (?) of the correspondents discussing lawnmowers, horses, wheelchairs, etc., are from the U.S. Meanwhile, the British correspondents seem to be silent; from shock? admiration? slackjawed disbelief? World weary ennui? I'd be interested in their reactions. Steve Corrsin ps I'll never forget the day I first saw sheep dog trials on English TV. On the local version of the sports channel, I gather. My host took offense at my immediate reaction, I might as well admit. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 09:09:12 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 09:08:43 -0700 From: bruce_hamilton-AT- agilent.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Wheelchairs To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT The San Francisco Ballet used to do a parody of "Peter and the Wolf" set in Harlem. The orchestra and narrator played it straight, but the scene was an alley, with trash cans, graffiti, etc. Peter was a boy scout, the Duck was a woman in curlers, bathrobe and big orange slippers, the Cat was a hooker in a grey, V-cut cat suit, and Grandpapa was an old man in pajamas and slippers, riding a wheelchair. The action fit *both* the text and the scene, and was extrememly clever (e.g. when the Cat can't get any action out of Peter, she slinks over to the narrator, sits on his lap, undoes his tie, ...) Anyway, this was a ballet, and it _moved_. And Grandpapa was right in there. He didn't support any lifts, but he kept his place in the formations, did twirls, filled the stage and made the music visible. They haven't done that show since we got our new artistic director, and I miss it. Has anyone else seen it? -Bruce bruce_hamilton-AT- agilent.com Tel: 650-485-2818 Fax: 650-485-8092 Agilent Technologies MS 24M-A, 3500 Deer Creek Road, Palo Alto CA 94303 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 09:54:33 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 18:51:44 +0200 From: Antony Heywood Subject: RE: Texas Quarterhorse Quadrille Team To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > Has anyone ever tried to write a dance >that would progress forward, moving a certain distance along the ground >with each repetition of the dance so that it could be done in a parade? > Try Pat Shaw's "Battersea Processional" and the two versions of "Babylon" (New Wine in Old Bottles). Antony Heywood ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 23:11:51 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 01:07:23 -0500 From: Paul Stamler Subject: Fw: A challenge for your spare time To: ecd list Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <004101c0e8ce$cbd64c60$dd4e4b0c-AT- paulstam> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi folks: I forwarded Jonathan Sivier's challenge to a couple of contra callers here in town, and got this reply from one of them: ----- Original Message ----- From: David Kirchner > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > I know that some dances have a tendency to drift one direction or > another due to the figures in it. Has anyone ever tried to write a dance > that would progress forward, moving a certain distance along the ground > with each repetition of the dance so that it could be done in a parade? Take any dance that has down the hall/turn alone in it, and simply use that time period to continue walking in the direction of march. You'd be able to move 16 steps every thirty seconds or so. David And so you could. Peace, Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 06:59:27 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 08:59:15 -0500 From: Roger Diggle Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Fw: A challenge for your spare time To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20010530135914.BXLW9030.chruser-AT- [204.71.145.48]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Paul Stamler wrote: Um, The set would make progress down the street, yes, but the set itself would not progress. >I forwarded Jonathan Sivier's challenge to a couple of contra callers here >in town, and got this reply from one of them: > >----- Original Message ----- >From: David Kirchner >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> >> I know that some dances have a tendency to drift one direction or >> another due to the figures in it. Has anyone ever tried to write a dance >> that would progress forward, moving a certain distance along the ground >> with each repetition of the dance so that it could be done in a parade? > >Take any dance that has down the hall/turn alone in it, and simply use >that time period to continue walking in the direction of march. You'd be >able to move 16 steps every thirty seconds or so. > >David > >And so you could. > >Peace, >Paul > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 08:00:15 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 10:51:17 -0400 From: "Pearl, Dan" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Fw: A challenge for your spare time To: "'ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu'" Message-ID: <1D1A4EF7AD4DD211A80D00A0C9D7DB6608C60E38-AT- exna1.stratus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Here's a parade contra dance. It's dull, but it gets the job done. DOWN AT THE PARADE by Dan Pearl 5/2001 Duple Improper A1. (1's in center) Down 4 in line (8); 1/2 hey for 4 (pass neighbor R shoulders) A2. Repeat B1. Gypsy [no balances on hard pavement, thank you] & swing neighbor B2. 1's sashay down the center (8); 2's dance down the outside, form line of four with new 1's. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 08:39:46 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 10:39:33 -0500 (CDT) From: j-sivier-AT- ux1.cso.uiuc.edu Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Fw: A challenge for your spare time To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <200105301539.f4UFdX505968-AT- staff2.cso.uiuc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Roger Diggle writes: > > Paul Stamler wrote: > > >Take any dance that has down the hall/turn alone in it, and simply use > >that time period to continue walking in the direction of march. You'd be > >able to move 16 steps every thirty seconds or so. > > Um, > The set would make progress down the street, yes, > but the set itself would not progress. I think it would depend on how you reformed the set after going down the hall/street twice. Assuming the next figure was bend the line and circle left (or some such) if you bent the line in the direction of travel you would indeed fail to progress, however if after going down the street 4 in line for almost a full 8 bars they turned alone and then bent the line into a circle it should have the same effect as turning alone and coming back up the hall before bending the line. In fact this would mean that you wouldn't be limited to dances where the dancers turn alone, they could go down the street, and down the street some more and then turn as couples and bend the line (or whatever came next). Jonathan ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Jonathan Sivier |Q: How many angels can dance on the | | j-sivier-AT- uiuc.edu | head of a pin? | | Flight Simulation Lab |A: It depends on what dance you call. | | Beckman Institute | | | 405 N. Mathews | SWMDG - Single White Male | | Urbana, IL 61801 | Dance Gypsy | | Work: 217/244-1923 | | | Home: 217/359-8225 | Have shoes, will dance. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Home page URL: http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/j-sivier | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 12:43:12 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 14:54:42 -0400 From: "Dawn C. Culbertson" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Wheelchairs To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20010530.154058.-124209.5.dcculb-AT- juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Tue, 29 May 2001 09:08:43 -0700 bruce_hamilton-AT- agilent.com writes: > The San Francisco Ballet used to do a parody of "Peter and the Wolf" > set in > Harlem. The orchestra and narrator played it straight, but the scene > was an > alley, with trash cans, graffiti, etc. Peter was a boy scout, the > Duck was a > woman in curlers, bathrobe and big orange slippers, the Cat was a > hooker in > a grey, V-cut cat suit, and Grandpapa was an old man in pajamas and > slippers, riding a wheelchair. The action fit *both* the text and > the scene, > and was extrememly clever (e.g. when the Cat can't get any action > out of > Peter, she slinks over to the narrator, sits on his lap, undoes his > tie, > ...) > > They haven't done that show since we got our new artistic director, > and I > miss it. Has anyone else seen it? No, but I wish I could. It sounds wonderful! Incidentally, in the past 5-10 years, there's been a rapid increase among members of the professional dance community in wheelchair dance--in fact, there are several groups I know of which use both disabled and able-bodied dancers (both of which use wheelchairs). I myself took a wheelchair dance workshop last year and, it was quite an experience--especially partnering & lifts! Dawn Culbertson ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 12:56:51 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 16:53:56 -0300 From: John Wood Subject: NOT A JOKE -- CHECK YOUR COMPUTER NOW To: Alan Paterson , Alanna Leigh Macgregor , Allan Swanzey , alouise macisaac , Amanda Wood , "Andrew J. M. Smith" , Andrew Lindsay , Angus Henry , Anita Campbell , Ann MacDonald , Anne Lowenthal , Anselm Lingnau , Armin Busse , Arthur Morris , Barbara Carter , Barrie Jackson , Ben Stein , Bernie Flynn , "bernie-AT- cablenett.net Radio Ham" , Bill Nauss , Bill Thorpe , Bob and Faith Guay , Bob Guay , Bob Messner , Bonnie Black , Brenda Porter , Bruce Hamilton , Bryan McAlister , Carol Johnson , Cherry Wood , Cole Pavey , Colin McEwen , Colleen Putt , David Gray , "David M. Gilliam" , David Robinson , David South , Debbie Almon , Deborah Shaw , Derek Spencer , Dianna Shipman , Dirk Taeger , Dudley Laufman , Duncan Keppie , Bill Thorpe , Janice Hamilton , John Wood , Sandy Barry , Ann MacDonald , Jean Miller , Joy MacSwain , Ted MacSwain , Jane Millar , George Johnsen , Bonnie Black , Michael FitzGerald , Suzanne Lajoie , Lois Perry , Glen Sampson , Richard Nowakowski , Fran Nowakowski , Jan Glenham , Elke Baker , Elsie Ferguson , English Country Dancing , Eric Clyde , "Eric T. Ferguson" , Etienne Ozorak , Fran Nowakowski , Frank Betty Dunham , Fred Collins , Gayle Quick , Gene Moore , Gene Murrow , George Johnsen , Gerry Gray , Gilliespie , Glen Sampson , "Glenn W. Holmes" , Greg Hughes , "Greg R. G. Hughes" , "H.M. Bark Endeavour" , Hank Muzerie , Healys , Hugh Goldie , Ian McHaffie , Ian Sandeman , Irene van Maarseveen , Jan Glenham , Jan Wilson , Jane Millar , Janet Sullivan , Janice Hamilton , Jean Miller , Jeanetta McColl , "Jennifer_Sawin-AT- pcmailgw.ml.com" , John and Margaret Bailey , John and Shirley Lanktree , John Cahill , John Filbee , John Garrett , John webb , John Wood , John Young , Joy MacSwain , Karen Reinhardt , Ken McFarland , Keppie , Keppie Moorhouse JonH Duncan , "KTaylor-AT- mtt.ca" , "Lara D. Friedman~Shedlov" , Laura Power , Lewis MacKay , Liz Donaldson , "Lizbeth Langston, UCR Science Library" , Lois Perry , Lydia Hedge , Lynne Simpson , Maghi King , Malcolm and Helen Brown , Margaret Harper , Marion Flemming , Mark Hubley , Martha & John Veranth , "Martin E. Mulligan" , Martin Sheffield , Mary Spencer , Mel and Ellie Briscoe , Michael FitzGerald , Nathalie Houle , Nelson Ferguson , Norman and Joan Dahl , Norman Scholes , Oberdan Otto , PAM WOOD , Pat and Celia Melanson , Pat Kent , Patricia Ruggiero , Paul Laverty , Paul Wood , "Peter M. Price" <103500.1357-AT- compuserve.com>, Peter McCracken , "Priscilla M. Burrage" , bsager-AT- bellsouth.net, Ree , Ric Goldman , "Richard L. Walker" , Richard Nowakowski , Rita Aterman , Robert MacIsaac/Anne Gillis , Robert Robbins , Roger Marshall , roy newcombe <926885-AT- ican.net>, Allan Swanzey , Bill Thorpe , Janice Hamilton , John Wood , Nelson Ferguson , Sandy Barry , Ann MacDonald , Jean Miller , Barrie Jackson , Andrew Lindsay , Bonnie Black , Suzanne Lajoie , Glen Sampson , Debbie Almon , "SallenNic-AT- aol.com" , Sandy Barry , Sarah Paterson <76513.23-AT- compuserve.com>, Sheila Strong , Shengzhang Tang , "Smith, Kent" , Stew Clarke , Strathspey , "strathspey-subscribe-AT- strathspey.org" , strathspey-unsubscribe , Susan Kevra , Susan Libby , Susie Petrov , Suzanne Lajoie , Sylvia Miskoe , tacsound , Ted MacSwain , Terry/Susan Hoover , Theresa Pelley , Tim Harrison , Tony Parkes , Vi McIntyre , vince baker , Wendy Stewart , William Crawford , "William M. Nauss" , Willie Reid Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <3B154FD4.46C5F76-AT- accesscable.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Hi, Folks -- everyone who has recently had an E-mail from me. My daughter passed the following message to me and I FOUND THE FILES IN MY COMMAND FOLDER. So this is for your own peace of mind to check it out. It is not yet a virus: but it will be on Friday next!!!!!! This is not a joke, and I did find it as per the instructions. A friend forwarded this information to me. Please follow these IMMEDIATELY as June 1 is Friday. ------------- Friends, I found this on my computer... please follow the directions and remove it from yours TODAY!!!!!!! It was brought to my attention yesterday that a virus was on all of our computers here at work. I do not know how long it has been on our computers, but Virus software can not detect it. It will not become active until June 1, 2001, at that point it will become active and will be to late. It wipes out all files and folders on the hard drive. This virus travels thru E-mail and migrates to the 'C:\windows\command'folder. To find it and get rid of it off of your computer, do the following. Go to the "START" button. Go to "FIND" or "SEARCH" Go to "FILES & FOLDERS" Make sure the find box is searching the "C:" drive Type in; SULFNBK.EXE Begin search. If it finds it, highlight it. DO NOT OPEN THE FILE!!! Go to 'File' and delete it. Close the find Dialog box Open the Recycle Bin Find the file and delete it from the Recycle bin You should be safe. The bad part is: You need to contact everyone you have sent ANY E-mail to in the past few months. I do not know how long this has been on our computers. Two computers at Midlands Tech. have been found with this virus on it. One I had sent E-mail to, one I have not. DO NOT RELY ON YOUR ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE. McAFEE NOR NORTON CAN DETECT IT BECAUSE IT DOES NOT BECOME A VIRUS UNTIL JUNE 1ST. IT WILL BE TO LATE THEN. WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT OPEN THE FILE!!! Regards, John         ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:14:55 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:14:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Jon Berger Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: NOT A JOKE -- CHECK YOUR COMPUTER NOW To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT This is a hoax -- and a particularly annoying one, since sulfnbk.exe is actually a perfectly valid MS utility. It's not one you'll need very often, but it's also not something you probably want to go around deleting. For a writeup and some history of the hoax, see: http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/pf/sulfnbk.exe.warning.html ------------------------------- Jon Berger Personal: jberger-AT- monitor.net Business: jon-AT- perforce.com http://www.monitor.net/~jberger On Wed, 30 May 2001, John Wood wrote: > Hi, Folks -- everyone who has recently had an E-mail > from me. > > My daughter passed the following message to me > and I FOUND THE FILES IN MY COMMAND > FOLDER. > > So this is for your own peace of mind to check it out. > It is not yet a virus: but it will be on Friday next!!!!!! > > This is not a joke, and I did find it as per the instructions. A friend > forwarded this information to me. Please follow these IMMEDIATELY as June 1 > is Friday. > ------------- > Friends, I found this on my computer... please follow the directions and > remove it from yours TODAY!!!!!!! It was brought to my attention yesterday > that a virus was on all of our computers here at work. I do not know how > long it has been on our computers, but Virus software can not detect it. It > will not become active until June 1, 2001, at that point it will become > active and will be to late. It wipes out all files and folders on the hard > drive. This virus travels thru E-mail and migrates to the > 'C:\windows\command'folder. To find it and get rid of it off of your > computer, do the following. Go to the "START" button. Go to "FIND" or > "SEARCH" Go to "FILES & FOLDERS" Make sure the find box is searching the > "C:" drive Type in; SULFNBK.EXE Begin search. If it finds it, highlight it. > DO NOT OPEN THE FILE!!! Go to 'File' and delete it. Close the find Dialog > box Open the Recycle Bin Find the file and delete it from the Recycle bin > You should be safe. The bad part is: You need to contact everyone you have > sent ANY E-mail to in the past few months. I do not know how long this has > been on our computers. Two computers at Midlands Tech. have been found with > this virus on it. One I had sent E-mail to, one I have not. DO NOT RELY ON > YOUR ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE. McAFEE NOR NORTON CAN DETECT IT BECAUSE > IT DOES > NOT BECOME A VIRUS UNTIL JUNE 1ST. IT WILL BE TO LATE THEN. WHATEVER > YOU DO, > DO NOT OPEN THE FILE!!! > > Regards, John >   >   >   >   > > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:20:11 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 16:19:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Sue Wartell Subject: Re: NOT A JOKE -- CHECK YOUR COMPUTER NOW To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <200105302019.QAA02671-AT- info.cas.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT No, it's not a joke - it's a hoax. - according to several reputable sites. I found the information via snopes.com, which linked me to McAfee. for details go to http://www.snopes2.com/inboxer/virus/virus.htm and click on the sulfnbk.exe link or look at Symantec's writeup at http://www.sarc.com/avcenter/venc/data/sulfnbk.exe.warning.html Sue > > Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 16:53:56 -0300 > From: John Wood > Subject: NOT A JOKE -- CHECK YOUR COMPUTER NOW > Sender: owner-ecd-AT- ssrl04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU > > Hi, Folks -- everyone who has recently had an E-mail > from me. > > My daughter passed the following message to me > and I FOUND THE FILES IN MY COMMAND > FOLDER. > > So this is for your own peace of mind to check it out. > It is not yet a virus: but it will be on Friday next!!!!!! > > This is not a joke, and I did find it as per the instructions. A friend > forwarded this information to me. Please follow these IMMEDIATELY as June 1 > is Friday. > ------------- > Friends, I found this on my computer... please follow the directions and > remove it from yours TODAY!!!!!!! It was brought to my attention yesterday > that a virus was on all of our computers here at work. I do not know how > long it has been on our computers, but Virus software can not detect it. It > will not become active until June 1, 2001, at that point it will become > active and will be to late. It wipes out all files and folders on the hard > drive. This virus travels thru E-mail and migrates to the > 'C:\windows\command'folder. To find it and get rid of it off of your > computer, do the following. Go to the "START" button. Go to "FIND" or > "SEARCH" Go to "FILES & FOLDERS" Make sure the find box is searching the > "C:" drive Type in; SULFNBK.EXE Begin search. If it finds it, highlight it. > DO NOT OPEN THE FILE!!! Go to 'File' and delete it. Close the find Dialog > box Open the Recycle Bin Find the file and delete it from the Recycle bin > You should be safe. The bad part is: You need to contact everyone you have > sent ANY E-mail to in the past few months. I do not know how long this has > been on our computers. Two computers at Midlands Tech. have been found with > this virus on it. One I had sent E-mail to, one I have not. DO NOT RELY ON > YOUR ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE. McAFEE NOR NORTON CAN DETECT IT BECAUSE > IT DOES > NOT BECOME A VIRUS UNTIL JUNE 1ST. IT WILL BE TO LATE THEN. WHATEVER > YOU DO, > DO NOT OPEN THE FILE!!! > > Regards, John >   >   >   >   ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:26:21 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 16:25:54 -0400 From: Mary Beth Goodman Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: virus hoax sent via ECD To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Thanks Jon for being so quick in responding. This worm/virus and another one have been hitting email lists hard this week. I've spent more time than usual at the Symantec and McAfee sites reading symptoms etc. The other one that has been circulating a lot looks like a reply to something you sent to a mailing list, but has an attachment with various names. The virus sends out a reply to unread emails and uses a variety of file names to cover itself. Even has a fake "unable to open/corrupted data" warning screen that appears if you open the attachment. Be careful out there. It's not enough to worry. It's not enough to own virus-checking software. You have to update and use it regularly. Read up on how to protect yourself and foil virus scripts by changing your email software default settings (like the name of your attachment folder) especially if you're using Microsoft products like Outlook. Turn off anything that automatically opens attachments. Don't open attachments unless you are confident that it's something you were sent intentionally. Mary Beth Or get a mac! Sorry, couldn't resist. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:26:33 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 16:26:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Will Linden Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: NOT A JOKE -- CHECK YOUR COMPUTER NOW To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU CC: Alan Paterson , Alanna Leigh Macgregor , Allan Swanzey , alouise macisaac , Amanda Wood , "Andrew J. M. Smith" , Andrew Lindsay , Angus Henry , Anita Campbell , Ann MacDonald , Anne Lowenthal , Anselm Lingnau , Armin Busse , Arthur Morris , Barbara Carter , Barrie Jackson , Ben Stein , Bernie Flynn , "bernie-AT- cablenett.net Radio Ham" , Bill Nauss , Bill Thorpe , Bob and Faith Guay , Bob Guay , Bob Messner , Bonnie Black , Brenda Porter , Bruce Hamilton , Bryan McAlister , Carol Johnson , Cherry Wood , Cole Pavey , Colin McEwen , Colleen Putt , David Gray , "David M. Gilliam" , David Robinson , David South , Debbie Almon , Deborah Shaw , Derek Spencer , Dianna Shipman , Dirk Taeger , Dudley Laufman , Duncan Keppie , Bill Thorpe , Janice Hamilton , John Wood , Sandy Barry , Ann MacDonald , Jean Miller , Joy MacSwain , Ted MacSwain , Jane Millar , George Johnsen , Bonnie Black , Michael FitzGerald , Suzanne Lajoie , Lois Perry , Glen Sampson , Richard Nowakowski , Fran Nowakowski , Jan Glenham , Elke Baker , Elsie Ferguson , English Country Dancing , Eric Clyde , "Eric T. Ferguson" , Etienne Ozorak , Fran Nowakowski , Frank Betty Dunham , Fred Collins , Gayle Quick , Gene Moore , Gene Murrow , George Johnsen , Gerry Gray , Gilliespie , Glen Sampson , "Glenn W. Holmes" , Greg Hughes , "Greg R. G. Hughes" , "H.M. Bark Endeavour" , Hank Muzerie , Healys , Hugh Goldie , Ian McHaffie , Ian Sandeman , Irene van Maarseveen , Jan Glenham , Jan Wilson , Jane Millar , Janet Sullivan , Janice Hamilton , Jean Miller , Jeanetta McColl , "Jennifer_Sawin-AT- pcmailgw.ml.com" , John and Margaret Bailey , John and Shirley Lanktree , John Cahill , John Filbee , John Garrett , John webb , John Wood , John Young , Joy MacSwain , Karen Reinhardt , Ken McFarland , Keppie , Keppie Moorhouse JonH Duncan , "KTaylor-AT- mtt.ca" , "Lara D. Friedman~Shedlov" , Laura Power , Lewis MacKay , Liz Donaldson , "Lizbeth Langston, UCR Science Library" , Lois Perry , Lydia Hedge , Lynne Simpson , Maghi King , Malcolm and Helen Brown , Margaret Harper , Marion Flemming , Mark Hubley , Martha & John Veranth , "Martin E. Mulligan" , Martin Sheffield , Mary Spencer , Mel and Ellie Briscoe , Michael FitzGerald , Nathalie Houle , Nelson Ferguson , Norman and Joan Dahl , Norman Scholes , Oberdan Otto , PAM WOOD , Pat and Celia Melanson , Pat Kent , Patricia Ruggiero , Paul Laverty , Paul Wood , "Peter M. Price" <103500.1357-AT- compuserve.com>, Peter McCracken , "Priscilla M. Burrage" , bsager-AT- bellsouth.net, Ree , Ric Goldman , "Richard L. Walker" , Richard Nowakowski , Rita Aterman , Robert MacIsaac/Anne Gillis , Robert Robbins , Roger Marshall , roy newcombe <926885-AT- ican.net>, Allan Swanzey , Bill Thorpe , Janice Hamilton , John Wood , Nelson Ferguson , Sandy Barry , Ann MacDonald , Jean Miller , Barrie Jackson , Andrew Lindsay , Bonnie Black , Suzanne Lajoie , Glen Sampson , Debbie Almon , "SallenNic-AT- aol.com" , Sandy Barry , Sarah Paterson <76513.23-AT- compuserve.com>, Sheila Strong , Shengzhang Tang , "Smith, Kent" , Stew Clarke , Strathspey , "strathspey-subscribe-AT- strathspey.org" , strathspey-unsubscribe , Susan Kevra , Susan Libby , Susie Petrov , Suzanne Lajoie , Sylvia Miskoe , tacsound , Ted MacSwain , Terry/Susan Hoover , Theresa Pelley , Tim Harrison , Tony Parkes , Vi McIntyre , vince baker , Wendy Stewart , William Crawford , "William M. Nauss" , Willie Reid Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT After scrolling past seven screens of ccs, I read this. Since I get my mail from a Unix remote which does not mysteriously download files without being told to, especially Windoze programs, and in combination with the claim about harmless code "turning into a virus" at a future date by itself, I smelled a hoax by a scaremonger out for kicks. So I did what I always do... check the Symantec Anti-Virus Research center hoax page (http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/hoax.html). Sure enough I found: Linkname: SULFNBK.EXE Warning http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/sulfnbk.exe.warning.html Symantec United States Symantec AntiVirus Research Center (SARC) http://www.symantec.com/avcenter SULFNBK.EXE Warning Reported on: April 17, 2001 Last Updated on: May 29, 2001 at 06:22:42 AM PDT The following hoax email has been reported in Brazil. The original email is in Portuguese; it is followed by an English translation. CAUTIONS: * This particular email message is a hoax. The file that is mentioned in the hoax, however, Sulfnbk.exe, is a Microsoft Windows utility that is used to restore long file names, and like any .exe file, it can be infected by a virus that targets .exe files. * The virus/worm W32.Magistr.24876-AT- mm can arrive as an attachment named Sulfnbk.exe. The Sulfnbk.exe file used by Windows is located in the C:\Windows\Command folder. If the file is located in any other folder, or arrives as an attachment to a email message, then it is possible that the file is infected. In this case, if a scan with the latest virus definitions and with NAV set to scan all files does not detect the file as being infected, quarantine and submit the file to SARC for analysis by following the instructions in the document How to submit a file to SARC using Scan and Deliver. * If you have deleted the Sulfnbk.exe file from the C:\Windows\Command folder and want to know how to restore the file, you should contact your computer manufacturer or Microsoft for assistance. As an alternative, If you are running Windows 98 or Windows Me, see the document How to extract files in Safe Mode under Windows 98 or Windows Millennium. NOTE: The instructions in this document are provided for your convenience. The extraction of Windows files uses Microsoft programs and commands. Symantec does not provide warranty support for or assistance with Microsoft products. Original Portuguese version: Voces acreditam que uma amiga da lista enviou um alerta e os procedimentos que deveriam ser tomados para a possivel detecc,ao do maledeto SULFNBK.EXE. e eu fui conferir so por desencargo de consciencia. Pois e...O bichinho tava la, escondidinho ate da McAfee e do Norton, talvez esperando algum gatilho pra comec,ar a trabalhar, ne? Ai vao, moc,ada, as orientac,oes que eu segui `a risca e que me levaram ao tal coisinha ruim: 1 - Iniciar/Localizar Pastas. Digite o nome do "mardito": SULFNBK.EXE 2 - Se for encontrado, abra o Windows Explorer, va ate a pasta onde ele se encontra alojado e delete-o de la ou do proprio ambiente do Localizar; - Nao click com o botao esquerdo sobre ele e nao abra o arquivo nem em caso de incendio, ok? 3 - Apenas delete o bichinho. 4 - O meu estava em Windows/Command. 5 - O virus da pessoa que passou o aviso estava em Windows/Config. Sim, o Norton e nem o McAfee nao detectou. Nao sabemos se ele faz algum estrago na maquina, mas acho que ninguem aqui vai querer testar para saber, ne? Gente, sem brincadeiras, ja tirei o meu daqui.... E nem imaginava que tivesse hospedes no PC. Minha vacina esta super-atualizada!!! Fac,am o mesmo, ok? Translated English version: Do you believe that a friend of mine sent me an alert and the procedure that we have to follow for the possible infection of SULFNBK.EXE. And I had checked, just to make sure. An then... the file was there, hidden even of McAfee and Norton, maybe waiting something to start work. Well, see bellow the procedure that I followed step by step, and I found the file: 1. Start/Find Folders. Type the file name: SULFNBK.EXE 2. If it find, open Windows Explorer, browse into the folder where the file is and delete it. Do not click with left button on the file and do not open it. 3. Just delete it 4. Mine was on Windows/Command 5. The virus from the person who gave the alert was on Windows/Config Yes, Norton and McAfee do not detect it. We do not know if it makes some damage on the machine, but I think that anybody will not want to test it to know, will it? Folks, this is not fun, I deleted it from my computer. And my definitions are updated. Do the same, ok? A new version of this hoax has additional text stating the virus will activate on June 1st: It was brought to my attention yesterday that a virus is in circulation via email. I looked for it and to my surprise I found it on mine. .. Please follow the directions and remove it from yours TODAY!!!!!!! No Virus software can detect it. It will become active on June 1, 2001. It might be too late by then. It wipes out all files and folders on the hard drive. This virus travels thru E-mail and migrates to the 'C:\windows\command' folder. The bad part is: You need to contact everyone you have sent ANY E-mail to in the past few months. Many major companies have found this virus on their computers. Please help your friends !!!!!!!! DO NOT RELY ON YOUR ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE. McAFEE and NORTON CANNOT DETECT IT BECAUSE IT DOES NOT BECOME A VIRUS UNTIL JUNE 1ST. WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT OPEN THE FILE!!! Category: Hoax Please ignore any messages regarding this hoax and do not pass on messages. Passing on messages about the hoax only serves to further propagate it. [INLINE] Write-up by: Patrick Martin ************** In short, someone who mails this all over the place has fallen victim to the REAL "e-mail virus", consisting of endless copies of scaremongering messages in people's mailboxes, followed by exasperated rebuttals like this. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:26:37 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 16:26:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Will Linden Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: NOT A JOKE -- CHECK YOUR COMPUTER NOW To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU CC: Alan Paterson , Alanna Leigh Macgregor , Allan Swanzey , alouise macisaac , Amanda Wood , "Andrew J. M. Smith" , Andrew Lindsay , Angus Henry , Anita Campbell , Ann MacDonald , Anne Lowenthal , Anselm Lingnau , Armin Busse , Arthur Morris , Barbara Carter , Barrie Jackson , Ben Stein , Bernie Flynn , "bernie-AT- cablenett.net Radio Ham" , Bill Nauss , Bill Thorpe , Bob and Faith Guay , Bob Guay , Bob Messner , Bonnie Black , Brenda Porter , Bruce Hamilton , Bryan McAlister , Carol Johnson , Cherry Wood , Cole Pavey , Colin McEwen , Colleen Putt , David Gray , "David M. Gilliam" , David Robinson , David South , Debbie Almon , Deborah Shaw , Derek Spencer , Dianna Shipman , Dirk Taeger , Dudley Laufman , Duncan Keppie , Bill Thorpe , Janice Hamilton , John Wood , Sandy Barry , Ann MacDonald , Jean Miller , Joy MacSwain , Ted MacSwain , Jane Millar , George Johnsen , Bonnie Black , Michael FitzGerald , Suzanne Lajoie , Lois Perry , Glen Sampson , Richard Nowakowski , Fran Nowakowski , Jan Glenham , Elke Baker , Elsie Ferguson , English Country Dancing , Eric Clyde , "Eric T. Ferguson" , Etienne Ozorak , Fran Nowakowski , Frank Betty Dunham , Fred Collins , Gayle Quick , Gene Moore , Gene Murrow , George Johnsen , Gerry Gray , Gilliespie , Glen Sampson , "Glenn W. Holmes" , Greg Hughes , "Greg R. G. Hughes" , "H.M. Bark Endeavour" , Hank Muzerie , Healys , Hugh Goldie , Ian McHaffie , Ian Sandeman , Irene van Maarseveen , Jan Glenham , Jan Wilson , Jane Millar , Janet Sullivan , Janice Hamilton , Jean Miller , Jeanetta McColl , "Jennifer_Sawin-AT- pcmailgw.ml.com" , John and Margaret Bailey , John and Shirley Lanktree , John Cahill , John Filbee , John Garrett , John webb , John Wood , John Young , Joy MacSwain , Karen Reinhardt , Ken McFarland , Keppie , Keppie Moorhouse JonH Duncan , "KTaylor-AT- mtt.ca" , "Lara D. 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Walker" , Richard Nowakowski , Rita Aterman , Robert MacIsaac/Anne Gillis , Robert Robbins , Roger Marshall , roy newcombe <926885-AT- ican.net>, Allan Swanzey , Bill Thorpe , Janice Hamilton , John Wood , Nelson Ferguson , Sandy Barry , Ann MacDonald , Jean Miller , Barrie Jackson , Andrew Lindsay , Bonnie Black , Suzanne Lajoie , Glen Sampson , Debbie Almon , "SallenNic-AT- aol.com" , Sandy Barry , Sarah Paterson <76513.23-AT- compuserve.com>, Sheila Strong , Shengzhang Tang , "Smith, Kent" , Stew Clarke , Strathspey , "strathspey-subscribe-AT- strathspey.org" , strathspey-unsubscribe , Susan Kevra , Susan Libby , Susie Petrov , Suzanne Lajoie , Sylvia Miskoe , tacsound , Ted MacSwain , Terry/Susan Hoover , Theresa Pelley , Tim Harrison , Tony Parkes , Vi McIntyre , vince baker , Wendy Stewart , William Crawford , "William M. Nauss" , Willie Reid Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT After scrolling past seven screens of ccs, I read this. Since I get my mail from a Unix remote which does not mysteriously download files without being told to, especially Windoze programs, and in combination with the claim about harmless code "turning into a virus" at a future date by itself, I smelled a hoax by a scaremonger out for kicks. So I did what I always do... check the Symantec Anti-Virus Research center hoax page (http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/hoax.html). Sure enough I found: Linkname: SULFNBK.EXE Warning http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/sulfnbk.exe.warning.html Symantec United States Symantec AntiVirus Research Center (SARC) http://www.symantec.com/avcenter SULFNBK.EXE Warning Reported on: April 17, 2001 Last Updated on: May 29, 2001 at 06:22:42 AM PDT The following hoax email has been reported in Brazil. The original email is in Portuguese; it is followed by an English translation. CAUTIONS: * This particular email message is a hoax. The file that is mentioned in the hoax, however, Sulfnbk.exe, is a Microsoft Windows utility that is used to restore long file names, and like any .exe file, it can be infected by a virus that targets .exe files. * The virus/worm W32.Magistr.24876-AT- mm can arrive as an attachment named Sulfnbk.exe. The Sulfnbk.exe file used by Windows is located in the C:\Windows\Command folder. If the file is located in any other folder, or arrives as an attachment to a email message, then it is possible that the file is infected. In this case, if a scan with the latest virus definitions and with NAV set to scan all files does not detect the file as being infected, quarantine and submit the file to SARC for analysis by following the instructions in the document How to submit a file to SARC using Scan and Deliver. * If you have deleted the Sulfnbk.exe file from the C:\Windows\Command folder and want to know how to restore the file, you should contact your computer manufacturer or Microsoft for assistance. As an alternative, If you are running Windows 98 or Windows Me, see the document How to extract files in Safe Mode under Windows 98 or Windows Millennium. NOTE: The instructions in this document are provided for your convenience. The extraction of Windows files uses Microsoft programs and commands. Symantec does not provide warranty support for or assistance with Microsoft products. Original Portuguese version: Voces acreditam que uma amiga da lista enviou um alerta e os procedimentos que deveriam ser tomados para a possivel detecc,ao do maledeto SULFNBK.EXE. e eu fui conferir so por desencargo de consciencia. Pois e...O bichinho tava la, escondidinho ate da McAfee e do Norton, talvez esperando algum gatilho pra comec,ar a trabalhar, ne? Ai vao, moc,ada, as orientac,oes que eu segui `a risca e que me levaram ao tal coisinha ruim: 1 - Iniciar/Localizar Pastas. Digite o nome do "mardito": SULFNBK.EXE 2 - Se for encontrado, abra o Windows Explorer, va ate a pasta onde ele se encontra alojado e delete-o de la ou do proprio ambiente do Localizar; - Nao click com o botao esquerdo sobre ele e nao abra o arquivo nem em caso de incendio, ok? 3 - Apenas delete o bichinho. 4 - O meu estava em Windows/Command. 5 - O virus da pessoa que passou o aviso estava em Windows/Config. Sim, o Norton e nem o McAfee nao detectou. Nao sabemos se ele faz algum estrago na maquina, mas acho que ninguem aqui vai querer testar para saber, ne? Gente, sem brincadeiras, ja tirei o meu daqui.... E nem imaginava que tivesse hospedes no PC. Minha vacina esta super-atualizada!!! Fac,am o mesmo, ok? Translated English version: Do you believe that a friend of mine sent me an alert and the procedure that we have to follow for the possible infection of SULFNBK.EXE. And I had checked, just to make sure. An then... the file was there, hidden even of McAfee and Norton, maybe waiting something to start work. Well, see bellow the procedure that I followed step by step, and I found the file: 1. Start/Find Folders. Type the file name: SULFNBK.EXE 2. If it find, open Windows Explorer, browse into the folder where the file is and delete it. Do not click with left button on the file and do not open it. 3. Just delete it 4. Mine was on Windows/Command 5. The virus from the person who gave the alert was on Windows/Config Yes, Norton and McAfee do not detect it. We do not know if it makes some damage on the machine, but I think that anybody will not want to test it to know, will it? Folks, this is not fun, I deleted it from my computer. And my definitions are updated. Do the same, ok? A new version of this hoax has additional text stating the virus will activate on June 1st: It was brought to my attention yesterday that a virus is in circulation via email. I looked for it and to my surprise I found it on mine. .. Please follow the directions and remove it from yours TODAY!!!!!!! No Virus software can detect it. It will become active on June 1, 2001. It might be too late by then. It wipes out all files and folders on the hard drive. This virus travels thru E-mail and migrates to the 'C:\windows\command' folder. The bad part is: You need to contact everyone you have sent ANY E-mail to in the past few months. Many major companies have found this virus on their computers. Please help your friends !!!!!!!! DO NOT RELY ON YOUR ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE. McAFEE and NORTON CANNOT DETECT IT BECAUSE IT DOES NOT BECOME A VIRUS UNTIL JUNE 1ST. WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT OPEN THE FILE!!! Category: Hoax Please ignore any messages regarding this hoax and do not pass on messages. Passing on messages about the hoax only serves to further propagate it. [INLINE] Write-up by: Patrick Martin ************** In short, someone who mails this all over the place has fallen victim to the REAL "e-mail virus", consisting of endless copies of scaremongering messages in people's mailboxes, followed by exasperated rebuttals like this. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:34:05 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 16:33:17 -0400 From: Jim Joyner Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: NOT A JOKE -- CHECK YOUR COMPUTER NOW To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20010530163211.01d93c50-AT- pop.erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_AuXhSBix5o3y1/LxLbrS7g)" --Boundary_(ID_AuXhSBix5o3y1/LxLbrS7g) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT John, I believe that this is a hoax. http://vil.mcafee.com/dispVirus.asp?virus_k=99084& http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/sulfnbk.exe.warning.html At 04:53 PM 5/30/01 -0300, you wrote: >Hi, Folks -- everyone who has recently had an E-mail >from me. > >My daughter passed the following message to me >and I FOUND THE FILES IN MY COMMAND >FOLDER. > >So this is for your own peace of mind to check it out. >It is not yet a virus: but it will be on Friday next!!!!!! > >This is not a joke, and I did find it as per the instructions. A friend >forwarded this information to me. Please follow these IMMEDIATELY as June 1 >is Friday. >------------- >Friends, I found this on my computer... please follow the directions and >remove it from yours TODAY!!!!!!! It was brought to my attention yesterday >that a virus was on all of our computers here at work. I do not know how >long it has been on our computers, but Virus software can not detect it. It >will not become active until June 1, 2001, at that point it will become >active and will be to late. It wipes out all files and folders on the hard >drive. This virus travels thru E-mail and migrates to the >'C:\windows\command'folder. To find it and get rid of it off of your >computer, do the following. Go to the "START" button. Go to "FIND" or >"SEARCH" Go to "FILES & FOLDERS" Make sure the find box is searching the >"C:" drive Type in; SULFNBK.EXE Begin search. If it finds it, highlight it. >DO NOT OPEN THE FILE!!! Go to 'File' and delete it. Close the find Dialog >box Open the Recycle Bin Find the file and delete it from the Recycle bin >You should be safe. The bad part is: You need to contact everyone you have >sent ANY E-mail to in the past few months. I do not know how long this has >been on our computers. Two computers at Midlands Tech. have been found with >this virus on it. One I had sent E-mail to, one I have not. DO NOT RELY ON >YOUR ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE. McAFEE NOR NORTON CAN DETECT IT BECAUSE >IT DOES >NOT BECOME A VIRUS UNTIL JUNE 1ST. IT WILL BE TO LATE THEN. WHATEVER >YOU DO, >DO NOT OPEN THE FILE!!! > >Regards, John > > > > --Boundary_(ID_AuXhSBix5o3y1/LxLbrS7g) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT John,

I believe that this is a hoax.

        http://vil.mcafee.com/dispVirus.asp?virus_k=99084&

        http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/sulfnbk.exe.warning.html

At 04:53 PM 5/30/01 -0300, you wrote:
Hi, Folks -- everyone who has recently had an E-mail
from me.

My daughter passed the following message to me
and I FOUND THE FILES IN MY COMMAND
FOLDER.

So this is for your own peace of mind to check it out.
It is not yet a virus: but it will be on Friday next!!!!!!

This is not a joke, and I did find it as per the instructions. A friend
forwarded this information to me. Please follow these IMMEDIATELY as June 1
is Friday.
-------------
Friends, I found this on my computer... please follow the directions and
remove it from yours TODAY!!!!!!! It was brought to my attention yesterday
that a virus was on all of our computers here at work. I do not know how
long it has been on our computers, but Virus software can not detect it. It
will not become active until June 1, 2001, at that point it will become
active and will be to late. It wipes out all files and folders on the hard
drive. This virus travels thru E-mail and migrates to the
'C:\windows\command'folder. To find it and get rid of it off of your
computer, do the following. Go to the "START" button. Go to "FIND" or
"SEARCH" Go to "FILES & FOLDERS" Make sure the find box is searching the
"C:" drive Type in; SULFNBK.EXE Begin search. If it finds it, highlight it.
DO NOT OPEN THE FILE!!! Go to 'File' and delete it. Close the find Dialog
box Open the Recycle Bin Find the file and delete it from the Recycle bin
You should be safe. The bad part is: You need to contact everyone you have
sent ANY E-mail to in the past few months. I do not know how long this has
been on our computers. Two computers at Midlands Tech. have been found with
this virus on it. One I had sent E-mail to, one I have not. DO NOT RELY ON
YOUR ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE. McAFEE NOR NORTON CAN DETECT IT BECAUSE
IT DOES
NOT BECOME A VIRUS UNTIL JUNE 1ST. IT WILL BE TO LATE THEN. WHATEVER
YOU DO,
DO NOT OPEN THE FILE!!!

Regards, John
 
 
 
 
--Boundary_(ID_AuXhSBix5o3y1/LxLbrS7g)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 15:17:09 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 18:12:02 -0400 From: pam-AT- tedcrane.com (Pamela Goddard) Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Email address privacy To: JOHNWOOD-AT- accesscable.net, WLINDEN-AT- panix.com, ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <01053018120199-AT- tedcrane.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Through the miracle of the ECD discussion list, I was recently able to identify and could easily have recorded the (more-or-less) private Email addresses of more than 100 luminaries of the English Country Dance world. Next time you urgently have to send a message to your entire address book, please consider using "Bcc" (blind carbon copy) to send the message. Perhaps your broswer calls this "list suppression". I'm sure that Alanna, Andrew, Allen, Angus, and the rest will thank you. -ted crane ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 15:33:38 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 15:31:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: Email address privacy To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01K46HK7CKK08WVZD8-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Ted wrote: > Through the miracle of the ECD discussion list, > I was recently able to identify and could easily > have recorded the (more-or-less) private Email > addresses of more than 100 luminaries of the > English Country Dance world. > Next time you urgently have to send a message to > your entire address book, please consider using > "Bcc" (blind carbon copy) to send the message. > Perhaps your broswer calls this "list suppression". > I'm sure that Alanna, Andrew, Allen, Angus, and the > rest will thank you. I would just modify this suggestion to: "Next time you urgently have to send a message to your entire address book, don't do it." (Even if the virus warning had been correct, it would probably not have done the strathspey-list subscribe address much good.) -- Alan =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 15:55:08 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 19:52:37 -0300 From: John Wood Subject: APOLOGIES TO ALL CONCERNED. To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <3B1579B5.270DC848-AT- accesscable.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi, Folks: To all those concerned, please accept my sincere apologies for the serious faux pas I made earlier today. It was completely unintentional to cause so much havoc. Particularly as I have strived to not be "taken in" by "virus" hoax messages. What more can I say. Regards, John ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 17:24:14 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 20:21:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Tideswell-AT- aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: The Beau's Retreat To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <2b.1625d5ef.2846e889-AT- aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I've worn my new Tricky Brits CD just about clear through. If I play it at work one more time the hip-hop guy at the next desk will probaly take out a contract on me. But before that happens.... I'm much taken with the tune The Beau's Retreat. Does anyone know anything about the dance? Nilos, not currently planning on molding any tiny wheelchairs out of marzipan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 17:24:17 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 20:21:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Tideswell-AT- aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Wheelchairs (warning: morris content) To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 5/30/01 7:00:35 AM, system-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes: >>One time I saw a young man at the Crystal Ballroom doing swing > >dancing in his wheelchair. He and his partner had worked out the > >routines and he was bouncing and spinning and having a great > >time. I had more fun watching him have fun. > >>Hi Folks, > I have had the opportuity,at Alpine New Jersey, of seeing 2 young women > >in wheelchairs put some of the ambulatory dancers to shame with their fluid > >movements and precise timing. > Also at a Zen of Waltz weekend at SplitTree Farm in Lafayette, GA-there > >was a guy waltzing in a specially constructed wheelchair. While he needed >to >instruct each new partner, most were repeat partners. On one memorable occasion (the '92 Pride parade in SF? Anyway....) the Rats had, as a fool, a pregnant nun in a wheelchair. She wasn't actually a nun, or pregnant, but her fooling was topnotch. For one thing, she could scoot between the lines *while* we were sticking. Nilos ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 17:40:32 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 17:36:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: The Beau's Retreat To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01K46M0IDI1E8WVZD8-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Nilos wrote: > I've worn my new Tricky Brits CD just about clear through. If I play it at > work one more time the hip-hop guy at the next desk will probaly take out a > contract on me. But before that happens.... You could get headphones? > I'm much taken with the tune The Beau's Retreat. Does anyone know anything > about the dance? It's reconstructed in the second volume of Fallibroome; that says it's in the 1721 edition of Playford's Dancing Master. Bentley reconstructs it as a three-couple longways dance; I presume it was originally a triple minor. Mr. Bentley's reconstruction is under copyright and shouldn't, in my opinion, be posted without his permission. -- Alan =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 17:44:32 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 20:45:08 -0400 From: Mary Jones Subject: Re: The Beau's Retreat To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <003c01c0e96a$f2145d80$b54e353f-AT- cyir4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <2b.1625d5ef.2846e889-AT- aol.com> Hi Nilos! Looks like a fun dance, though I 've never danced or called it...a lot of someone following someone else. Now for the perfect non sequitor: Will you be cooking at Pinewoods this summer? Sure hope so for all of us!! Mary (always looking for the Studmuffin set) Jones ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 18:39:37 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 18:37:31 -0700 From: Chris Sackett & Brooke Friendly Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: The Beau's Retreat To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3B15A05C.40971663-AT- opendoor.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353; x-mac-type=54455854; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <01K46M0IDI1E8WVZD8-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> I think it's quite a nice dance - we did it on a recent ball program. It is primarily a 1s dance so to encourage those dancers who seem to feel a good dance requires everyone to move at all times, I generally introduce it as such and add that when you're not a 1 you are making it good for the 1s, watching some (hopefully) beautiful dancing and listening to some lovely music. Brooke Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote: > Nilos wrote: > > > I've worn my new Tricky Brits CD just about clear through. If I play it at > > work one more time the hip-hop guy at the next desk will probaly take out a > > contract on me. But before that happens.... > > You could get headphones? > > > I'm much taken with the tune The Beau's Retreat. Does anyone know anything > > about the dance? > > It's reconstructed in the second volume of Fallibroome; that says it's in the > 1721 edition of Playford's Dancing Master. Bentley reconstructs it as a > three-couple longways dance; I presume it was originally a triple minor. > > Mr. Bentley's reconstruction is under copyright and shouldn't, in my opinion, > be posted without his permission. > > -- Alan > > =============================================================================== > Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU > Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 > Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 > =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 21:58:21 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 23:54:05 -0500 From: Paul Stamler Subject: Fw: Fw: Fw: A challenge for your spare time To: ecd list Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <004e01c0e98d$b95cc860$e22b4b0c-AT- paulstam> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT And David rejoins: ----- Original Message ----- From: David Kirchner > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Roger Diggle > Subject: Re: Fw: A challenge for your spare time > > Um, > The set would make progress down the street, yes, > but the set itself would not progress. <> Flirtation March? Peace, Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 22:11:09 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 00:10:57 -0500 From: Roger Diggle Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Re: Re: Fw: Fw: Fw: A challenge for your spare time To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20010531051056.MIXT9030.chruser-AT- [204.71.145.48]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Roger Diggle >> Subject: Re: Fw: A challenge for your spare time >> >> Um, >> The set would make progress down the street, yes, >> but the set itself would not progress. >From: David Kirchner > ><the phrase if that is what is required. Probably easiest to choose a dance >where the next move is not a circle. Flirtation Reel springs to mind as a >good possibility. How about using a dance tha has a *couple* turn, but walk 16 steps and then simply bend the line into the next figure instead...? Roger ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 22:35:28 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 01:23:19 -0400 From: Mary Beth Goodman Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Re: Re: Fw: Fw: Fw: A challenge for your spare time To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <20010531051056.MIXT9030.chruser-AT- [204.71.145.48]> At 12:10 AM -0500 5/31/01, Roger Diggle wrote: >How about using a dance tha has a *couple* turn, >but walk 16 steps and then simply bend the line >into the next figure instead...? LOL! How about just putting on your iron clad clogs and getting on with the parade? Mary Beth ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 00:13:37 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 09:14:33 +0200 From: Philippe Callens Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: The Beau's Retreat To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3B15EF59.ABACD298-AT- uia.ua.ac.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <2b.1625d5ef.2846e889-AT- aol.com> According to Andrew Shaw, it is one of the "Kynaston" dances, which means that it originated in one of Walsh's annual collections - I have to look up the exact date at home. If you have danced "Lille", "Love and a Bottle" and "Count Leon" for example, you'll recognise Kynaston's typical feature of having the active couple do individual tracks and loops around and through the twos and the threes. I think it is a lovely tune. Philippe Callens Tideswell-AT- aol.com wrote: > I've worn my new Tricky Brits CD just about clear through. If I play it at > work one more time the hip-hop guy at the next desk will probaly take out a > contract on me. But before that happens.... > > I'm much taken with the tune The Beau's Retreat. Does anyone know anything > about the dance? > > Nilos, not currently planning on molding any tiny wheelchairs out of marzipan > > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 03:27:33 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 12:28:32 +0200 From: Philippe Callens Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Fallibroome anecdote To: ECD discussion list Message-ID: <3B161CD0.7CD25DE6-AT- uia.ua.ac.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT A coiple of weeks ago I was listening to a Wild Thyme recording of several "Fallibroome" dances. One of the tunes I really liked was "Burghee's Hole" (sic) and so I looked up Bentley's interpretation again which I found OK. Since I wanted to see the original text, I consulted the Keller database ... but I couldn't find "Burghee's Hole". It appears that Bentley mistranscribed the original title, which is "Bugbee's Hole" (in Volume 3, second edition)! Robert Keller wrote me: "Perhaps Bentley didn't like the name Bugbee" Well, he didn't like 'We'll wed and we'll bed" either and renamed it "Dublin Bay" Philippe Callens ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 07:32:27 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 10:32:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Arnold Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Copyright? (oh no not again! was Re: The Beau's Retreat) To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Wed, 30 May 2001, Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote: [re The Beau's Retreat:] > Mr. Bentley's reconstruction is under copyright and shouldn't, in my opinion, > be posted without his permission. With all due respect to Alan, Mr. Bentley, and others who oppose the posting of dance instructions, I think it would be appropriate for this list to expolore what the actual copyright law is regarding this type of information. It is my understanding -- I have read it somewhere, although I can't recall where, that a sequence of standard figures (or of ingredients, as in a recipe) in a dance description is not copyrightable; the exact wording of the description is, and the printed layout is, but to the extent which the dance may be described as a sequence of conventional terms for that type of dance, it is considered a "recipe" for the dance and is covered by the same concepts that cover recipes. There doesn't seem to be a big controversy about recipes -- they're freely reprinted in newspapers and magazines, sometimes with credits, sometimes without, but copyright notices are not the norm. Admittedly the boundary is close; the interpretation of a choreographer in the production of a ballet is on the other side of the boundary, as I understand from the same source; but the boundary must fall somewhere. It is clear from the nature of the subject and the publication that the intent of the original work was so that people could and would dance the dance. It's also clear that the primary focus of copyright law in this country, and in much of the world, is about profits rightfully due to the sale of published and/or performed material, and an important consideration in fixing monetary damages in a copyright violation suit is to what extent the defendant deprived the copyright holder of income. I don't see posting one's own paraphrase of Bentley's reconstruction as a violation either of Bentley's intellectual property rights, copyright law, or an act that derives Bentley of income, since there's no evidence that anyone would go and buy this book (even if it's one that's still available) if no posting is made. On the contrary, I feel that posting of a desirable dance increases the liklihood for sales of the book -- not only is the person who was interested in the dance likely to think that if the book contains good dances like this one, it would be worth acquiring, but others on the list who may not already have it may be prompted to seek it out as well. It's not a question of respect or disrespect for Mr. Bentley or others whose dances might appropriately be described on a list such as this. It's a question of what the law actually is (unfortunately, not as easily determinable as it seems it ought to be) and what is appropriate for the particular subject material, and how responsibility for being in compliance with the law may fall on Alan's shoulders. We can give credit where credit is due without restricting our own rights for exchange of information which is allowed under copyright law. Let's get the information we need to know where the boundaries really are rather than limit ourselves with fear and guilt. Eric > > -- Alan > > =============================================================================== > Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU > Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 > Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 > =============================================================================== > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 09:00:10 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 08:59:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Jon Berger Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Copyright? (oh no not again! was Re: The Beau's Retreat) To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Thu, 31 May 2001, Eric Arnold wrote: > > > On Wed, 30 May 2001, Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote: > > [re The Beau's Retreat:] > > > Mr. Bentley's reconstruction is under copyright and shouldn't, in my opinion, > > be posted without his permission. > > With all due respect to Alan, Mr. Bentley, and others who oppose the > posting of dance instructions, I think it would be appropriate for this > list to expolore what the actual copyright law is regarding this type of > information. It is my understanding -- I have read it somewhere, although > I can't recall where, that a sequence of standard figures (or of > ingredients, as in a recipe) in a dance description is not copyrightable; > the exact wording of the description is, and the printed layout is, but to > the extent which the dance may be described as a sequence of conventional > terms for that type of dance, it is considered a "recipe" for the dance > and is covered by the same concepts that cover recipes. There doesn't > seem to be a big controversy about recipes -- they're freely reprinted in > newspapers and magazines, sometimes with credits, sometimes without, but > copyright notices are not the norm. Ok, let me try to explain. Copyright laws apply to all fixed works of authorship. "Fixed" means expressed in some permanent form, e.g. writing; a dance, for example, isn't fixed until it's written down or videotaped or something like that. A "work of authorship" is pretty much anything anybody creates, with some exceptions I'll discuss in a minute. If something is a fixed work of authorship, someone holds the copyright, usually the author (though there are exceptions to that). Note that the work is not just copyrightABLE, it's copyrightED; the laws apply with no requirement that the author do anything special (although there are some definite advantages to registering your copyright, which I won't go into right now). Just because something is a sequence of standard somethings, that doesn't mean it's not a "work of authorship." Novels, for example, are sequences of standard characters, of which there are approximately 26. Sequences of things are most definitely copyrightable: for example, a compilation of poems or stories has a separate copyright from the poems or stories themselves; someone other than the compiler can't copy that sequence and publish it himself. (Though, note that someone else *can*, if things happen to work out this way, arrange the poems in that sequence and publish it, as long as he can prove that he just happened to arrive at that sequence independently. Copyright is the right to *copy*, but it doesn't protect against people who just happen to create the same work independently. This is one big respect in which copyrights differ from patents.) What Eric may be referring to is the famous Feist v. Rural Telephone case, which held that *some* sequences of things are too non-creative to qualify as "works of authorship." The particular thing at issue in Feist was the arrangement of names into alphabetical order in a telephone directory; the Supreme Court held that alphabetical order is such a common way to arrange lists of names that a telephone book doesn't constitute a "work of authorship." However, that's a very, very long way from saying that copyright laws don't apply to anything that's an arrangement of standard things. I'd venture to say that there's no sequence of figures that's so common as to be analogous to alphabetical order, except maybe "put the left foot out in front, then put the right foot out in front, then put the left foot..." Short of that, I don't really see the Feist rule applying to sequences of dance steps. As to recipes, I can't think of any reason in the world a recipe wouldn't be protected by copyright. I think that people who give out their recipes often do so with the expectation that they'll be reproduced and distributed, but that doesn't mean that the copyright doesn't apply or that it couldn't be enforced by a court if the author wanted to go to the trouble. Many things that are subject to copyright law are nevertheless often freely distributed; the biggest example we're all familiar with is email. I have a copyright in this email, merely because it's my work of authorship, and I could enforce it if I wanted to; most email authors don't, but that doesn't mean they couldn't. I'll bet that if you got a recipe from some celebrity chef, like Wolfgang Puck, and then plastered it all over the Internet, you'd find out real fast just how much copyright law applies. However, the fact that that recipes often appear without attribution has nothing to do with whether the publication is a copyright violation. It's a very, very common misconception that copyright laws have something to do with attribution ("I didn't infringe your copyright! See, I put your name on it when I copied it!"). THIS IS COMPLETELY FALSE. It's very easy to remember what a copyright is: it's the right to copy, exactly what the word suggests. The right to copy belongs to the person who holds the copyright. If you copy without that person's permission, that's a copyright infringement. If that person gives you the right to copy (a "license," in legalese), he may attach any restrictions he likes to it, of which of course the most common is that you have to pay him some money, but he may also insist that the work be attributed to him. Or he may say "sure, just do whatever you want, I couldn't care less," in which case you have a license to copy the work without attribution, but that doesn't mean that you didn't have to get his permission or that there's no copyright. So the inference from the lack of credits on recipes in newspapers to the notion that recipes don't qualify for copyright protection is based on a misunderstanding of the law. (In fairness, I should add that European copyright law *does* protect the right of attribution; it's one of the so-called "droits moral," moral rights, that we haven't recognized in the U.S. but are pretty much standard everywhere else. But I'm trying, believe it or not, to keep this simple.) > Admittedly the boundary is close; the interpretation of a choreographer in > the production of a ballet is on the other side of the boundary, as I > understand from the same source; but the boundary must fall somewhere. It > is clear from the nature of the subject and the publication that the > intent of the original work was so that people could and would dance the > dance. It's also clear that the primary focus of copyright law in this > country, and in much of the world, is about profits rightfully due to the > sale of published and/or performed material, and an important > consideration in fixing monetary damages in a copyright violation suit is > to what extent the defendant deprived the copyright holder of income. I > don't see posting one's own paraphrase of Bentley's reconstruction as a > violation either of Bentley's intellectual property rights, copyright law, > or an act that derives Bentley of income, since there's no evidence that > anyone would go and buy this book (even if it's one that's still > available) if no posting is made. On the contrary, I feel that posting of > a desirable dance increases the liklihood for sales of the book -- not > only is the person who was interested in the dance likely to think that if > the book contains good dances like this one, it would be worth acquiring, > but others on the list who may not already have it may be prompted to seek > it out as well. That's another common misconception, usually heard in the context of making unauthorized copies of recorded music: "I'm not hurting the artist by distributing tapes of his CDs to a couple of hundred of my closest friends; I'm actually helping him, because they wouldn't have bought his CD anyway, but now that they've heard the tape, they might." It's a compelling argument. The response to it, however, is that the author is free to adopt any marketing scheme he likes, and it's really not up to anyone else to countermand him even if you happen to think he's not marketing his work in the most effective way. If someone wants to market his CDs, or his dances, by permitting members of the public to copy them and distibute them to other members of the public, he's free to do that: all he has to do is say "this work may be freely copied and redistributed to people who might, upon receiving such copies, go out and buy an original." As it happens, most people who publish copyrighted works don't happen to think that this is a particularly effective marketing scheme; if you disagree, the law says that you still have to respect their wishes, because they're the author and you're not. > It's not a question of respect or disrespect for Mr. Bentley or others > whose dances might appropriately be described on a list such as this. > It's a question of what the law actually is (unfortunately, not as easily > determinable as it seems it ought to be) Actually, it's really simple: if something is subject to copyright, it can't be copied without permission from the copyright holder. Moreover, if someone publishes something and puts a little 'c' with a circle around it on the publication somewhere, this is shorthand for "I propose to enforce copyright laws with respect to this work." Lately, I've seen quite a number of recordings with extended (and often humorous) copyright notices: see, for example, Cathie Whitesides' CD, which has a little paragraph about "if you make unauthorized copies of this, the ghost of Emily Preston will haunt you and turn all your children into Republicans" or something like that. I think we can all probably agree that Cathie is telling us that she'd prefer that we not make copies of her CD without her permission, regardless of whether we think we're doing it for her own good or not. But it shouldn't really be necessary for her to include this little passage, because the circle-c means EXACTLY THE SAME THING. If something is subject to copyright, it can't be copied without permission. If someone puts a copyright notice on a work, they're saying that you don't have permission unless they give it to you -- which is true even without the notice, but if they're taking the extra trouble to say it, I think it ought to be respected, and the law agrees. > Let's get the > information we need to know where the boundaries really are rather than > limit ourselves with fear and guilt. There you go. Glad to be of help. ------------------------------- Jon Berger Personal: jberger-AT- monitor.net Business: jon-AT- perforce.com http://www.monitor.net/~jberger ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 09:26:38 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 12:26:23 -0400 From: "Emily L. Ferguson" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Copyright? (oh no not again! was Re: The Beau's Retreat) To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: Hy Jon, you might have added that if the copyright is registered with the US Copyright Office before or within 90 days of publication, the Federally mandated penalty is $150,000.00 (that's 150 thousand) dollars plus legal fees. The copyright holder's legal fees. When academia understands that there will be quite a mess with Lexis-Nexus. Best to err on the safe side, always. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 09:32:16 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 12:32:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "Susan R. Lorand" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Fair use (was Re: Copyright?) To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT thanks for the lucid explanation, jon. would you be willing to expound on "fair use" as well? my impression is that fair use involves quoting or paraphrasing small excerpts from larger works, and that the ratio of the size of the excerpt to the size of the work as a whole helps determine whether or not the use of it without permission is fair. but i'm not a lawyer... susie lorand editor and musician in princeton, nj, usa ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 09:36:34 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 10:41:49 -0400 From: Graham.Christian-AT- risk.sungard.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: The Beau's Retreat To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <85256A5D.005B0E34.00-AT- Notes_SMTP.risk.sungard.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT In the Keller database, The Beau's Retreat appears in the 1718 Playford (and again in the 1728)--which suggests that it was kidnapped into Playford from one of the Kynaston/Walsh annuals, if Mr. Shaw and Mr. Callens are correct. It took me just a moment to find the dance--I was looking for The Beaux(') Retreat. When being Strategic or Delighted, multiple Beaux are permitted, but apparently, in Retreat you're only permitted one Beau at a time. The BancWare Client Conference June 10th-June 14th, 2001 Westin Copley Hotel Boston, MA 02116 Graham Christian Technical Writer, Product Management SunGard Trading and Risk Systems 88 Broad Street, Boston, MA 02110 Telephone number: (617)542-2800, extension 248 Email address: graham.christian-AT- risk.sungard.com Group web address: http://www.risk.sungard.com "Speak, that I may see thee." --Ben Jonson ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. ********************************************************************** ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 09:38:23 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 09:38:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Jon Berger Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Copyright? (oh no not again! was Re: The Beau's Retreat) To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Thu, 31 May 2001, Emily L. Ferguson wrote: > Hy Jon, you might have added that if the copyright is registered with > the US Copyright Office before or within 90 days of publication, the > Federally mandated penalty is > $150,000.00 (that's 150 thousand) dollars plus legal fees. The > copyright holder's legal fees. I alluded to it when I mentioned that there are some advantages to registering the copyright. However, it's not quite accurate: the *maximum* that the so-called "statutory damages" can reach is $150,000, but the judge has the discretion to award any amount up to that. Attorney's fees, however, are indeed mandatory. The main point is that these so-called "damages" do not depend on the plaintiff proving that he was actually damaged. (Is it really $150,000? It was $100,000 for a long time, but I vaguely remember hearing somewhere that it got bumped, so I believe it.) ------------------------------- Jon Berger Personal: jberger-AT- monitor.net Business: jon-AT- perforce.com http://www.monitor.net/~jberger ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 10:37:42 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 13:25:09 -0400 From: "Emily L. Ferguson" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Copyright? (oh no not again! was Re: The Beau's Retreat) To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: >(Is it really $150,000? It was $100,000 for a long time, but I vaguely >remember hearing somewhere that it got bumped, so I believe it.) Yup. Last year. > >------------------------------- >Jon Berger >Personal: jberger-AT- monitor.net >Business: jon-AT- perforce.com >http://www.monitor.net/~jberger -- Emily L. Ferguson elf-AT- cape.com 508-563-6822 New England landscapes, wooden boats and races, press photography Beetle cats on the web at: http://www.beetlecat.com/gft-pics/ef-notes.htm http://www.beetlecat.org/results/99champs.html http://www.beetlecat.org/store.html#yrbook landscape at: http://www.capecodlife.com/CCD/regions/upper_cape.html ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 10:57:17 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 13:57:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Arnold Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Copyright? (oh no not again! was Re: The Beau's Retreat) To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Thu, 31 May 2001, Jon Berger wrote: > Ok, let me try to explain. Thank you, Jon, for your input. Perhaps you could enlighten me a bit more: > Copyright laws apply to all fixed works of authorship. "Fixed" means > expressed in some permanent form, e.g. writing; a dance, for example, isn't > fixed until it's written down or videotaped or something like that. A > "work of authorship" is pretty much anything anybody creates,