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Friends,

While I wholeheartedly applaud any and all efforts made by organizers of
regular (especially weekly) dances towards the ongoing improvement of dancing,
teaching, and community spirit (as, for example, CD*NY’s laudable new
campaign), I believe it is unreasonable to expect a rapturous experience every
week at one’s local dance.  It is in our natures to respond with rapture to
that which is rare and new, and to become habituated to the familiar.  If
English Week at Pinewoods were steady fare, even that would pall:  it is
exactly the rare pleasures of it that make the experience transforming.

Let us examine the case of Mr. CH and Ms. RH, who both attended the same
conference in London last weekend, yet whose personal experiences of the event
(if their own accounts are to be believed) differed radically and
qualitatively.

CH resides near London, and teaches weekly at the very venue at which the
conference was held.  As far as we can tell, he encountered no new people nor
new ideas that impressed him, treading these familiar paths.  (We all know
what familiarity breeds...)  The tone of his account is jaded and skeptical.
True, that may well be a characteristic idiosyncrasy of his tone; far be it
from ME to draw such a conclusion based solely on this particular sample.

RH resides...let us just say that she resides FAR from London, and that this
was in fact her first visit there.  She reports that the weather was splendid,
and that the fruit trees were in bloom along the streets and in the garden at
Cecil Sharp House.  She was awed and thrilled to be there, and entered the
House on Saturday morning with beating heart.  There,  milling about in the
throng, was an astonishing gathering of luminaries of the English Country
Dance (and Historical Dance) world:  her companion (the redoubtable world
traveler Ms. SG) pointed out (just to name a few) Nicolas Broadbridge, Jeremy
Barlowe, Andrew Shaw, Marjorie Fennessy, Julia Sutton, Philippe Callens, Kitty
and Bob Keller, and of course the ubiquitous Mr. CH; she was also, in the
course of the weekend, to meet (or glimpse) various officers of EFDSS (her
colleagues, in a sense, from overseas) -- Brenda Godrich,  Rachel Taylor,
Diana Jewitt, Tim Walker, and Malcolm Taylor -- as well as friends from the
ECD List, until then only names, including Michael Barraclough (who gallantly
escorted RH and SG back to Islington after Saturday’s Ball, saving them an
epic midnight  journey on the Tube), Graham and Wendy Knight (the Lieutenants
of Lunch), Bob Lilley (author of the dance Fast Packet), Derek Schofield,
Ellis Rogers, and Americans Charlene Charette, Ken McFarland, Mary Kay
Schladweiler -- you get the idea.   There were also many (surprisingly many)
old friends, including Peter Ogle and Rachel Winslow of Philadelphia, Jody
McGeen of Menlo Park, CA, Neil Kelley of Little Rock, AR, and of course Gene
and Susan Murrow of Westchester, NY (currently conquering the UK and the
Lowlands).

As you know, the conference was *organized* by the Dolmetsch Historical Dance
Society, and *hosted* by the English Folk Dance & Song Society, thus bringing
together scholars and practitioners, recontructionists and innovators,
historians and ardent traditionalists.  What follows is the (admittedly
breathless and starry-eyed) account of our subject, plainly not yet inured by
habituation:

RH:  I had wondered whether there would be tension between these various
factions, the historical dancers mildly contemptuous of the blithe imprecision
of ECD in modern folk practice, the country dancers defensively mocking the
finicky Baroque affectations of the Dolmetsch delegates; in fact, there was a
wonderful openness evident everywhere -- in the rapt attention of the audience
during the presentation of papers from all perspectives, for instance, and in
the marvelous mixing of folk and historical styles during the Playford Ball
(folk dancers gamely following the lead of Baroque dancers, and trying out
fleurets, balancees, the pas de bourree and the minuet; historical dancers
cheerfully skipping and slipping where skipping and slipping are Done).  The
Ball attendees were by and large GLORIOUSLY attired -- the historical dancers
in painstakingly accurate historical dress; many EFDSS dancers in “Playford”
costume (Mr. CH was *resplendent* in purple, with plumed chapeau).  The music,
by Jeremy Barlowe’s Broadside Band, was sublime, despite breakdowns in
communication between callers and a band not accustomed to playing for
dancing.

I’m sure you’re all wondering:  DID THEY SWITCH PARTNERS?!  This was a
question of grave concern among the not inconsiderable group of American women
(and, it follows, for Peter Ogle and Ken McFarland who might well have found
themselves relentlessly mobbed).  I’m happy to report that Anne Daye, Chairman
of the Dolmetsch Society and the evening’s Emcee, announced after the first
dance, “In the interests of historical accuracy, we’d like to encourage you to
take a new partner for each dance.”  Many thanks to Anne, and to the generous
spirit with which the EFDSS dancers complied.

The band for the Sunday afternoon tea dance, the closing event, was the
popular accordion-driven Orange & Blue; besides accordion I recollect two
fiddles, electric guitar, and electric bass, a combination which lends itself
to a raucous, dancy rumpety-tumpety reminiscent of Scottish Country Dance
bands.  As the dance progressed I was increasing curious about how Orange &
Blue would render the dances on Gene Murrow’s planned list, especially Orly
Krasner’s “When Laura Smiles,” which is set to the Philip Rosseter lute song.
As it turned out, the band rose to the occasion, offering a sweet, restrained
rendition, to which the dancers responded with corresponding sensitivity; this
was followed by thrillingly energetic versions of “Albany Assembly” (dance by
Victor Skowronski to tune by Susato) and “The Homecoming” (dance by Gary
Roodman to tune by Jonathan Jensen).  Gene acquitted himself admirably in his
debut at Cecil Sharp House; there was a moment during the teaching of the
chorus for Albany Assembly when I thought a riot might break out, but Gene
kept his cool, and the feeling of triumph on the floor when the dance was
mastered was palpable.  These choreographers had figured (as it were) in
Gene’s talk scant hours before, and I happily report that the dances were
received enthusiastically.

* * * * *

This analysis has grown excessively long, and I believe I have made my point.


Robin Hayden
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Robin wrote:
"The band for the Sunday afternoon tea dance, the closing event, was the
popular accordion-driven Orange & Blue; besides accordion I recollect two
fiddles, electric guitar, and electric bass, a combination which lends
itself to a raucous, dancy rumpety-tumpety reminiscent of Scottish Country
Dance bands."

Make that *some* SCD bands.  Equally popular, at least in the U.S., are the
fiddle bands: fiddle and piano, with any or all of the following: flute,
concertina, viola, cello, bass.  All acoustic.  No accordions.  No
rumpety-tumpety.  Ask Earl Gaddis.

If you want a rapturous experience, listen to the strathspey tune "Earl of
Northampton" played by Earl, Laura Risk (fiddle), and Karen Axelrod (piano).
Better yet, dance to it.

(Relevant ECD content: besides Earl, many of our favorite ECD musicians also
play SCD.)


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Colin Hume wrote:
> I heard someone say to a group of beginners "All English is 
> slow and gentle".

Oh, it nearly drives me mad when I hear that. I first
learned ECD as a very lively and energetic dance form. I
point to pictures in the front and back of Keller and
Shimer's book "The Playford Ball", pictures of Sharp's
demonstration sets in 1922, and movies of the same, and I
say, that is what ECD can be, and what I want it to be.

> What you have done in the States is take a very narrow selection 
> of dance styles and say "That's what we mean by English". 

Too true. But it is more than just the selection of dances,
it is the narrow manner in which they presented. A "standard
speed" The same dance and tune can have completely different
feel if presented at different sppe and with different
styling  and the use or lack or stepping. Let's put some
enertg into it sometimes. 

> Of course the beautiful triple-time dances are part of English, 
> but there's so much more to it than that.  I don't want to do 
> rants all evening, but neither do I want to drift around all 
> evening.  There's surely room for many different styles and speeds.

Here here!

cheers,
Howard  
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Charmed by the Milton reference; often, especially when I'm teaching something
like "Knives and Forks," I will comfort the twos by reminding them that
Milton--a writer from Playford's time, certainly, tho' not of his politics--says
"They also serve, who only stand and wait..."
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<< now I'll let you all go back to discussing ECD..... >>

or, possibly, unscussing?

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<< So -- keep on dancing, even if you _are_ ageing!  Beats the alternative! >>

Hey Eric, I'll drink to that!

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>Robin wrote:
>a raucous, dancy rumpety-tumpety reminiscent of Scottish Country
>Dance bands."
>
>Make that *some* SCD bands.  Equally popular, at least in the U.S., are the
>fiddle bands: 

You are lucky.
Unfortunately, Robin's remark about SCD bands tends to be true in GB,
though I would ascribe the racousness to an excess of percussion, rather
than to accordeons -- which can sound very pleasant; it depends largely on
how they are tuned (as we learned recently on the SCD list, if you
remember, Pat).



Martin,
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Delightful application!

Some years ago I used a variant in another dance where the 2s only moved up
and down while the 1s cast, etc., and I wanted the 2s to understand that,
although they shouldn't make a big show of moving up and down, they were
nonetheless *dancing* ---

"They also dance who only move up and down."

Pat

Graham wrote:
<Charmed by the Milton reference; often, especially when I'm teaching
something like "Knives and Forks," I will comfort the twos by reminding them
that Milton--a writer from Playford's time, certainly, tho' not of his
politics--says "They also serve, who only stand and wait...">


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Martin wrote:
"...though I would ascribe the racousness to an excess of percussion, rather
than to accordeons -- which can sound very pleasant; it depends largely on
how they are tuned (as we learned recently on the SCD list, if you remember,
Pat)."

I certainly do!  I would say to ECDers that if you want to hear lively, but
non-rumpety-tumpety, SCD music played on the accordion, listen to the _Jig
for Joy_ CD by the Music Makars (piano accordion, fiddle, piano). Very
musical, indeed.

Pat

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This is for Robin.  Robin, your note on the Psychology of Rapture reminded me 
of something I wrote for our local ECD newsletter, Stepnotes, a while back.  
Thought you'd enjoy reading it.  Best, Linda

    WHAT KEEPS 'EM COMING or THE JOY OF SETS by LINDA WOLFE

    If you're anything like me, your experience of English country dancing 
goes like this:  
    1) You fall in love with it on your very first date (in my observation, 
people who don't generally don't return; it takes love at first step to 
counterbalance those initial night difficulties and embarrassments).  
    2)  You go through a period (it can be mercifully short or distressingly 
long) in which you're courting it and it's resisting you -- you're in love 
but it's not going to give up its heart so easily.  You feel awkward and 
puerile.  You go through the motions, but you're getting less joy out of sets 
than others seem to be getting.  Still, the usual lover's instinct, the 
desire for conquest, for gaining mastery over the love object by forcing it 
to yield its secrets, keeps you returning.  
    3) You are finally a pretty good dancer.  Your initial feeling of love 
has been reciprocated.  English country dancing has succumbed, is yours, and 
your relationship to it is  ecstatic, so delicious that you wish you and it 
never had to spend a night apart.  
    4) You're still happy in your love but, given the perverseness of human 
nature, something has begun to nag at you:  this won't last, you tell 
yourself, it can't last, there's no way.  
    I reached that stage a couple of years ago and as soon as I did I began 
dreading what I thought would be inevitable:  the end of the affair.  I mean, 
after all, I'd once been a passionate contra dancer and I'd lost my interest 
in contra; I'd once been an ardent French cook and now I'd rather order out; 
I'd once been hot for painting, poetry, jogging, you name it, and all those 
passions had faded.  Why should this latest love of mine, no matter that for 
years it had seemed greater than all the others, continue?  
    The end was in sight, I figured.  Boredom would soon set in.  And given 
not just the perverseness of human nature but the human tendency to reject 
before one is rejected, I might have parted company with English country 
dancing before the passion showed signs of turning stale except for one thing 
-- I noticed that all around me there were people who'd been doing English 
dance for years and years and yet were apparently still ardently in love with 
it.  What keeps them coming? I wondered.  How come they haven't grown bored?  
    
    So I began interviewing some of them.  And here are some of the things I 
learned about keeping English dancing fresh -- about keeping one's love 
alive, so to speak.  
    Al Blank, who's been doing English country dancing for more than thirty 
years, said, "The love is different every few years.  At first, you come 
because of the music.  Then, because you're learning the dances.  Then, 
because you're trying to master them.  For me, in the past few years, what 
keeps my enthusiasm high has been the challenge I set myself:  Can I teach a 
beginner without saying any words?  Can I do it just with my eyes, or a touch 
on the hand?"
    Paul Ross, who's been doing English country dancing for more than twenty 
years, says, "What keeps English dancing fresh?  You might just as well ask 
what makes people listen to a Beethoven sonata over and over again throughout 
a lifetime?"   But he admits that once people have mastered the steps and 
patterns they may feel a lessening of intensity about English dancing unless 
they learn to approach it in a different way.  In his case, he has found, 
"Once you learn to dance well, something else sets in.  You become fascinated 
on an intellectual level: you start to appreciate the patterns and the way 
the steps fit the music, and to revel in the choreography of the various 
people who have set the dances."  
    Sally Denmead, who's been dancing since 1989, says, "What keeps English 
dancing fresh is that you never know what's going to happen.  You may know 
the dances, the music, even all your partners, but something different 
happens each time based on the combinations of those things.  In that 
respect, English country dancing is like a performance.  And no two 
performances are ever the same."  
    Sharon Green, who's been dancing since 1988, says, "It's the newness of 
things.  You may think you know all the dances, but there are always new 
dances being written.  You may think you know all the dancers, but there are 
always new people.  Plus there are new places -- on a personal note, English 
dancing has given me the chance to see the world, to travel to distant places 
and get to know dancers there.   But should all of this pale, English dancing 
has still another thing going for it -- the possibility of developing oneself 
in new areas, areas related to dance."  She cites the case of Michael Siemon, 
who has taken up the concertina, and of Marty Fager, who has taken up 
choreography.  "And my own case," she says, "my deciding to become a caller."
      Teaching with your eyes.  Learning to appreciate the dances 
intellectually.  Pretending you're giving a performance.  Taking up the 
concertina.  Choreography.  Calling.  Gimme a break, you may say.  Gimme back 
those early nights of ecstasy.  But hey, I guess staying in love with English 
dancing is like staying in love in one of those longterm happy marriages.  
The initial transcendance goes.  But something else takes over -- something 
different but, according to these longtime happy dancers, something equally 
good.
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Pat wrote:
> I would say to ECDers that if you want to hear lively, but
>non-rumpety-tumpety, SCD music played on the accordion, listen to the _Jig
>for Joy_ CD by the Music Makars 

Yes, indeed.
Though my top favorites by far are Sylvia Miskoe's 'Tartan Capers' &
'Kitchen Capers'. Make you want to dance & sing too.

Funny how the N Americans seem to be doing better than the Brits ... (with
certain exceptions, of course, Nic !)


Martin,
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Patricia,

>>a raucous, dancy rumpety-tumpety reminiscent of Scottish    >>Country Dance 
bands.

>Make that *some* SCD bands.

Absolutely!  Mine was a gross generalization, and I should have made that 
qualification.  However, I'll bet it did serve its function in summoning a 
particular audio image.

Robin "my first love was SCD [and then it turned around and bit me in the 
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Visit Woodstock, NY and dance at the Spring Fling
An afternoon (1 to 6PM) and evening (7:30 to 11:30 PM) of ECD at the Woodstock Community Center, Rock City Road

Callers include: Gary Roodman, Sharon Green, Don Bell, Barbara Kidney, Nancy Yule and Loretta Holz
Bands include: Flying Romanos and King's Delight.

Very enjoyable day of dancing with predominately experienced dancers.  
All proceeds benefit the Dance Flurry and 1st Ulster Militia Colonial Re-Enactors

For further information call 845-496-2678 - Barbara Kidney 
Admission $12 daytime; $10 evening; $20 entire event
Volunteers needed (receive free or reduced admission)

Loretta Holz
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>An afternoon (1 to 6PM) and evening (7:30 to 11:30 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Callers include: Gary Roodman, Sharon Green, Don 
Bell, Barbara Kidney, Nancy Yule and Loretta Holz</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bands include: Flying Romanos and King's 
Delight.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Very enjoyable day of dancing&nbsp;with 
predominately experienced dancers.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>All proceeds benefit the Dance Flurry and 1st 
Ulster Militia Colonial Re-Enactors</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>For further information call 845-496-2678 - Barbara 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Admission $12 daytime; $10 evening; $20 entire 
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Robin wrote:

"I'll bet it did serve its function in summoning a particular audio image."

Too true!

She continued: "my first love was SCD [and then it turned around and bit me
in the
knees]"

Too sad!

Many of us dance with (or despite) plantar fasciitis, bad knees, bad backs.
We may not wear ghillies, or have the best "turnout," but great posture and
a big smile compensate.  I wouldn't presume to urge you to go against your
best interests, just wanted to let you know that there's a place for less
than perfect dancers (there'd better be, or the SCD community would be
awfully small).

Pat

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Martin,

A brave statement that could only be made by someone not living in in UK or
USA!! Waht evidenece do you have to support it?

John MeechaN


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>
> Funny how the N Americans seem to be doing better than the Brits ... (with
> certain exceptions, of course, Nic !)
>
>
> Martin,
>  in Grenoble, France.
>
>  http://perso.wanadoo.fr/scots.in.france/scd.htm
>               (dance groups,  events,  some new dances ...)
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I love this discussion!

Thanks to Scott for raising it, to Robin for the obvious-once-you-see-it
observation about familiarity breeding contempt, to Linda for the "Joy of
Sets" article, to Anne for mentioning "peaks and valleys" (each beautiful in
its own way, and each owing its existence to the other) and to Elke Baker
last weekend, for making a short evening of exclusively simple dances so
full of variety that I am still replaying it in my head.

Linda could also have asked what keeps callers and musicians fresh. I have
sure felt the familiarity trap: every Monday night, get out the materials to
plan Wednesday's dance. Sit in the same place at the table, scan through the
same books looking for something new. Even the act of looking for something
new gets old! I was reduced to looking from back to front in alternate
weeks. I hear the same problem in comments like "to inject some variety,
we've made every 4th Saturday a dance where ..."

If you're lucky, every now and then you get the urge to weave a cocoon. I
remember standing in the laundromat and talking on the pay phone to Alisa
Dodson when she invited me to teach at Mendocino. I told her I didn't want
to do the same old thing, but I didn't know what I did want. That was
"Through the Ceiling" wanting to come out. And she, bless her heart, not
only accepted that, but made a place in the program where "not the same old
thing" would fit!

The opposite also happens. I got an invitation for a workshop this summer
that really unlocked the creative juices. I couldn't stop planning it -- at
work, in the car, in the shower, in my sleep -- and for weeks I got ideas
faster than I could write them down.  Then, as the details of the schedule
fell into place it became clear that the only class that would work was an
absolutely standard one. I can do that, but my spirit sinks. I see myself
sitting in the same place at the table, scanning through the same books...

I guess organizers have the same problem! Camp is coming up. Sigh, gotta lay
out those 75-minute slots, rotate the teachers through, put this here and
that there, ...  What do *you* do to stay fresh?

  -Bruce

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Another manifestation of the wonders of this list!  Where else could one
find Milton identified by reference to Playford?

Mike Franch

On Mon, 02 Apr 2001 10:39:14 -0400 Graham.Christian-AT-
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> . . . Milton--a writer from Playford's time, . . .
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At 17:23 03/04/01 +0100, you wrote:

about my > brave statement that could only be made by someone 
>not living in UK or USA!! 
>Waht evidenece do you have to support it?

Subjective (rather than musicological) reactions to the recordings I have
bought -- and I have a large collection -- do not constitute evidence, I
agree. But the contentment of the dancers is what counts, n'est-ce pas.

I have noticed that every time I have introduced a new dance to my groups
locally, their appreciation of the dance is in direct relation to the style
of music on the recording I used. The more the different instruments stand
out, the better. Unless the dance has some particularly disitinctive
figure, it will be quickly forgotten if it has been danced ot
run-of-the-mill SCD music from GB.
Recordings from USA always get a favorable response ("Can we do that dance
we did last week with the nice music?")  I attribute this to the use of
harmonic variations, highlighting different instruments, and the avoidance
of monotonous percussion.
The more melodious ECD recordings seem to be well liked too, in spite of
the fact that a number of my dancers express a marked preference for
Scottish dances (we do a mixture, for the sake of variety).
 

Martin,
 in Grenoble, France.

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Members of the ECD are invited by the RingMaster, playforddancer, to add
your web sites
to the Yahoo! WebRing called The Playford Ring.
On Yahoo! WebRing, similar sites are grouped together in Rings and each
site is
linked to another by a simple navigation bar. Rings are created and
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Rochester is hosting a Playford Ball on Saturday, May 5, 2001. We've booked 
one of our favorite bands, Spare Parts, to play for us. Versatile musicians 
Bill Matthiesen and Liz Stell play for contras, English dances, and 
Victorian ballroom dances (among other things) throughout the North East. 
Their 'spare part' for this occasion will be incredible fiddler Frank 
Orsini. Calling will be shared by Pamela Goddard and Richard Sauvain.

There will be an afternoon practice before the Ball, and a catered dinner 
in between. The Ball will be held in the newly refurbished auditorium at 
the Visual Studies Workshop, 31 Prince Street, a gorgeous room with a great 
wood floor and excellent acoustics.

For more information, see www.ggw.org/cdr/english.html, or e-mail 
sauvain-AT-
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-- Richard

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Now back from a week away ending with a fine time at the Bay Area Playford Ball
and having digested the various discussions...

As a dancer I come for the interweaving of music, movement, people - the same
dance is never the same twice. I don't mind spending time in a workshop 'not
dancing' if the pay-off is there (a fabulous dance, a new way of looking at a
figure, a new fun figure, playing with the timing...) but I don't like it if
it's just a super complicated intellectual excersize or lots of words walking
us through a figure we already have learned.

Our group does ECD and SCD together in a weekly class/dance so we get a broad
variety of tempo and feeling but we don't rely on the SCD to give all the speed
or bounce, we do lively, skip-changy ECD as well. The first hour we spend more
time teaching and/or easier dances, the second hour less time teaching &/or
more challenging dances. Sometimes we'll focus on a figure or a particular
styling point and take a few extra minutes on that. Other times we zip through
a walk-though and then dance.

What really keeps me fresh as a dancer and a caller/organizer is traveling to
camps, weekends and teacher trainings - hearing and dancing to familiar tunes
played differently, experiencing a favorite dance with a favorite dance friend,
learning a new dance, meeting a new dance friend, talking about dance over good
meals, learning from different callers (picking up new 'tricks' and turns of
phrase, being able to further define who I am as a caller/what I want my style
to be, sometimes learning things I don't want to do as a caller or recognizing
bad habits I may have and getting new impetus to work on them), expanding
horizons such as with Gene Murrow's music for dance leaders training.

And then there are those moments: At a Scottish ball (where there is no walk
through and just the barest of talk-throughs) doing a dance I'd never done with
a person I'd never met. My partner got me through the dance (more than that -
we danced it together) by helping without once opening his mouth or using any
gestures. When he saw I was about to jump into a reel I had no business being
in he just somehow stood more still; when he saw in my eyes that I wasn't sure
if it was 1/2 fig 8 up or down he smiled at me and looked in the direction we
were to go...  Oh wow - not only was it a peak dance moment for me, but it's
given me an ideal to work up to as a dancer and a caller.

Which leads me to Bruce Hamilton's Back Through the Ceiling workshop at
Mendocino - another peak dance experience and something that has stayed with me
and informed my dancing and calling since. A large percentage of the time in
that workshop was spent not dancing, another large percent in moving but not
doing dances. Yet it was one of the very best dance workshop experiences I've
had. (and then that evening a dance party with very little talk - a perfect
combo).

As a caller what keeps me fresh for my weekly class/dance is the alternation of
ball prep and theme nights. About half the year we are preparing for upcoming
events and so many weeks are predetermined. When it's our spring ball I really
like all the dances because Chris and I put together the program. When it's for
our sister groups in other parts of the state we give ourselves permission to
not necessarily teach everything on the program. For the six to eight weeks
before an event I put together a teaching schedule for the whole time, then I
don't have to sit down at the same chair every week, I just pull out the dances
for that week and decide what style or figure points I want to focus on and off
I go.
Then the rest of the year we do a variety of theme nights (favorites that we
learned at camp, a particular figure, and very often something based on dance
titles (such as the recent discussion of astronomy dances) or a quirk such as
dances with songs attached). Our group likes to try to guess the theme as the
evening progresses. Within this we pull up known dances and it gives us an
opportunity to try new dances (by flipping through our books or database). Some
are ones that get coded N in database (don't do again), others become great
favorites and are added to ball programs. (The Old Boot was from our 'terms of
endearment' theme night).

Well on that note...
Happy Dancing
Brooke Friendy (Ashland OR)



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> (several snips)

> Linda could also have asked what keeps callers and musicians fresh. ...
>
> If you're lucky, every now and then you get the urge to weave a cocoon. I
> remember standing in the laundromat and talking on the pay phone to Alisa
> Dodson when she invited me to teach at Mendocino. I told her I didn't want
> to do the same old thing, but I didn't know what I did want. That was
> "Through the Ceiling" wanting to come out. And she, bless her heart, not
> only accepted that, but made a place in the program where "not the same old
> thing" would fit!
>
> The opposite also happens. I got an invitation for a workshop this summer
> that really unlocked the creative juices. I couldn't stop planning it -- at
> work, in the car, in the shower, in my sleep -- and for weeks I got ideas
> faster than I could write them down.  Then, as the details of the schedule
> fell into place it became clear that the only class that would work was an
> absolutely standard one. I can do that, but my spirit sinks. I see myself
> sitting in the same place at the table, scanning through the same books...
>
> I guess organizers have the same problem!

> What do *you* do to stay fresh?
>
>   -Bruce
>
> bruce_hamilton-AT-
agilent.com  Tel: 650-485-2818  Fax: 650-485-8092
> Agilent Technologies MS 24M-A, 3500 Deer Creek Road, Palo Alto CA 94303

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Ooo, this looks lovely.  Do think of Amarillis for May 2002!

Allison





On Wed, 04 Apr 2001 22:35:20 -0400 Richard Sauvain
<sauvain-AT-
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> Rochester is hosting a Playford Ball on Saturday, May 5, 2001. We've 
> booked 
> one of our favorite bands, Spare Parts, to play for us. Versatile 
> musicians 
> Bill Matthiesen and Liz Stell play for contras, English dances, and 
> Victorian ballroom dances (among other things) throughout the North 
> East. 
> Their 'spare part' for this occasion will be incredible fiddler 
> Frank 
> Orsini. Calling will be shared by Pamela Goddard and Richard 
> Sauvain.
> 
> There will be an afternoon practice before the Ball, and a catered 
> dinner 
> in between. The Ball will be held in the newly refurbished 
> auditorium at 
> the Visual Studies Workshop, 31 Prince Street, a gorgeous room with 
> a great 
> wood floor and excellent acoustics.
> 
> For more information, see www.ggw.org/cdr/english.html, or e-mail 
> sauvain-AT-
rochester.rr.com
> 
> -- Richard
> 

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I'm still working on the itinerary but the way it looks now I think we'll be
in Cape Breton on May 8 so will look forward to seeing you May 12 - but
sorry to miss the Playford,
Thanks,
Dianna

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> Hi Dianna:
>
> > I'm going to be in Nova Scotia May 5-17, 2001 -
> > does anyone know of any English dance (or other types of dance) there?
>
> My Playford dance group meets on Tuesdays and May 8th
> is officially the last class of the season.
>
> You are welcome to visit; we would be delighted to see
> you. But you will have to accept us as we are!
>
> It is held at the North Woodside Community Centre,
> 230 Pleasant Street, Dartmouth, N.S.
>
> My contact number is 835-5154.
>
> Regards, John
>
>

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Question:- ...  What do *you* do to stay fresh?

Answer:-... We have just had four days of bliss and contentment, recharging
our batteries and subjecting ourselves to new experiences of music and
loving every moment of it all with Dr. David Kettlewell.
He came all the way from northern Sweden to visit us in Halsway Manor,
Somerset, UK., via University of Kent, Canterbury, UK.

I feel so different looking at Playford music through the eyes of someone
who sings and plays the harp and harpsichord so beautifully. He wrote the
book on the hammered dulcimer too, but players will know that already.

I feel that to really enjoy dancing is to truly enjoy and appreciate the
full spirit of the music, not just the tune and rhythm, but the harmony and
the tone
quality of the sound. We shall (ney, must) arrange for him to come again
this week next
year 2002 and the year after 2003. Although we can take more people it will
never be the same as the first one where the 15 pioneers came not knowing
what to expect and went away refreshed like they didn't know possible.
Boredom, what's that!
See and listen to Daivid's work with the whole person on his website, he
also created the Halsway
site too.
www.new-renaissance.net and www.halswaymanor.co.uk


See you too, perhaps from USA, he went to Europe and South America earlier
this year; it will change your dancing enjoyment for ever!
Alan Corkett


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Dear Friends,
 If you live within driving distance of Boston you might be interested in
our "Fried Herman Weekend". Fried will be leading the experienced dance
tonight at 8:15, a workshop tomorrow at 2 and dance tomorrow night at 7:30.
Besides writng such stellar dances as Michael and All Angels, Astoria
Lass, Songs of the Harpist and the Mavis Sweetly Sings, Fried has also
written many less well known dances, which are gems in their own right.
This is an opportunity to spend a weekend enjoying them.  Thanks in good
part to our out of town friends, the level of dancing at our recent special
events has been very high; so this weekend is a chance to enjoy some of
Fried's best dances with congenial and elegant partners.

For more information about the weekend (times, places, directions, prices)
see our web site http://www.cds-Boston.org/.

 Best,
 Terry Gaffney


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I have been reading with interest the various summaries of the Playford
conference and extend my thanks to all who took the time to pass on their
comments.

With respect to concerns about the decline of interest in ECD, the
following might be of interest.

At our recent George Washington Ball here in Williamsburg, we had 230
dancers in attendance. That's about 75 over our usual average. The dancers
ranged in age from 8 to 80 and there were several  groups with 4 to 7
members of the same family. I attribute the large number of attendees to
the _increased_ interest in ECD, particularly in Virginia and North
Carolina. Over 60 of the dancers had never attended our ball before. New
groups are forming and existing groups seem to be expanding. The attendance
at our regular weekly dances has gone up about 50 percent in the past year.
We must be doing _something_ right!

Lou


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In case people haven't run across it, Webfeet is an index/directory site
for dance bands and events in England & Wales. For those who do know it,
this is a short mention of two recent additions:

  http://www.webfeet.org/county/

for an index of eceilidh, barn dance, folk dance bands by county... let
me know what I've missed.

  http://www.webfeet.org/eceilidh/dances/

A start at a list of 'annotated' dances - angling at the simple and
energetic as you'd meet at an eCeilidh event.

Thank you for listening :-)
  Regards,
  Martin Kiff, mgk-AT-
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In a message dated 4/6/01 3:35:15 PM, lvosteen-AT-
widomaker.com writes:

<< The attendance
at our regular weekly dances has gone up about 50 percent in the past year.
We must be doing _something_ right!

Lou >>

Congratulations. 
Can you think of anything  specific that you are "doing right" that resulted 
in the increase? 
Carl Friedman
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Dear Friends,

A glorious celebration of Mary Kay Friday's spirit and memory was had on 
Thursday, April 5.

More than 400 family, friends, neighbors, and former co-workers attended 
her memorial service; they came from far and wide.

So many attended the service that we ran out of programs and several 
requested a copy. A copy has been posted on the www in 'pdf' form, 
available via a link at:

    www.just.net/~roger/mkf

Also included are some links to tributes to Mary Kay, including some new ones.

My personal, heart-felt thanks goes out to all who participated in this 
effort . . . from greeters to musicians to those who arranged hospitality. 
The spirit of community which Mary Kay fostered certainly came out.

Sincerely yours,

Roger W. Broseus 

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>In a message dated 4/6/01 3:35:15 PM, Lou Vosteen writes:
>
><< The attendance
>at our regular weekly dances has gone up about 50 percent in the past year.
>We must be doing _something_ right!
>
And Carl Friedman adds:
>Congratulations.
>Can you think of anything  specific that you are "doing right" that 
>resulted
>in the increase?

Permit me to jump in at this point. I've been a member (some might say a 
devotee!) of Lou's group for over 2-1/2 years, and can count the number of 
Tuesday nights I've missed on one hand. I think our attendance boom is the 
result of the word finally getting out about how much fun we have. People 
try it, like it, and bring their friends. This is true of young teens as 
well as us "mature" dancers. Lou's dances are beginner-friendly without 
being boring. He calls and teaches an extensive repertoire of dances, with 
varied figures, great tunes, and plenty of opportunities for "special 
moments." The second hour usually contains more challenges, as some on this 
list have suggested. We enjoy each other's company so much, some of our 
regulars drive down from Richmond each week to attend. But as much as we 
enjoy each other, we welcome new people and visitors from other dances. No 
secret, Carl--it's just a fun, friendly English country dance. Hope we can 
see you in Williamsburg some time!

JoAnne Rawls, President
Williamsburg Heritage Dancers

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Re "Decline of ECD"
    I don't understand this heading.  What decline?  In New York, ECD seems 
to have far outstripped Contra in popularity.  I understand from people who 
keep tracks of these things that ECD takes in more money than Contra, and 
that more newcomers become steady comers.  I would ask what are those who see 
a decline in English dancing doing wrong rather than what Williamsburg (or 
New York) is doing right.  
                        Linda Wolfe
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PENGUIN LIVES is a series of small, mercifully slender biographies of famous 
people by prominent authors. I recommend the latest in the series, JANE 
AUSTEN by Carol Shields. Elegantly written and informative,and to-the-point, 
unlike the 10 lb., doorstops that biography has become. On a personal note, 
if it were not for the recent revival of all things Austen, I probably 
wouldn't have discovered ECD!                                                
                                                                             
                     Michael Serafin                                         
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Message text written by Robin Hayden
>CH resides near London, and teaches weekly at the very venue at which the
conference was held.  As far as we can tell, he encountered no new people
nor
new ideas that impressed him, treading these familiar paths.  (We all know
what familiarity breeds...)  The tone of his account is jaded and
skeptical.
<

I'm disappointed that Robin found my report jaded, sceptical and
contemptuous.  I started it by saying that "The Playford Conference at
Cecil Sharp House was a major success by any standard", and as Vicky
Bestock said: "I think if you look more closely, you'll find that he is
enthusiastic about the scholarship involved and the new information he
gleaned."  But I don't see any point in a report which is just uncritical
adulation.  Maybe Robin should write her own.

What I can't let Robin get away with is her description of:

>accordion-driven Orange & Blue; besides accordion I recollect two
fiddles, electric guitar, and electric bass, a combination which lends
itself
to a raucous, dancy rumpety-tumpety reminiscent of Scottish Country Dance
bands.<

This means that anyone who hasn't heard Orange and Blue (which may be the
majority of people on the ECD List) will imagine them as a second-rate
Scottish Band.  There is no truth in this.  I thought they were excellent,
and so did Gene Murrow.  I know accordians are not much used for English
music in the States, but they are used a lot in England and some are very
good - and very different.  Chris Dewhurst is an organist who plays
accordian and the organ training comes across - he can produce some amazing
sounds.  Fiona Maurice-Smith has a very light touch and her style can often
bring a smile to your lips while being very danceable.  Rod Stradling can
play Scottish too, but his Playford style would never be mistaken for
Scottish.  Orange and Blue's Playford recordings were what drew me to
Playford, and I still love them.  I know Bare Necessities are a great band,
but that doesn't mean that every English band has to sound like them.

Colin Hume
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Hello everyone,
For my two pennyworth... I agree with Colin Hume's comments about  The
Orange and Blue Band and all the other musicians he mentions.

I have known Roger Nicholls (Leader of O & B) as a fellow accordionist for
many years, even before he had made all the PLAYFORD vinyl recordings that
were being referred to. I think we met at the Royal Albert Hall in London
where the annual EFDSS Folk Festival took place every year in February till
the late 70's. He is a great chap, well organised, a retired languages
teacher who has a wife and grown up children who also love music and play
regularly.

In addition to running his excellent band he also has interests in the brass
band field where standards are equally critical and competitive.

For me the bottom line has to be, I think it is excellent music to dance to,
but I suppose that is subjective!

Regards Alan Corkett (I think I play accordion but for some it is accordian
player! I don't know how the USA spell it, probably accordeon)
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Message text written by Robin Hayden
>CH resides near London, and teaches weekly at the very venue at which the
conference was held.  As far as we can tell, he encountered no new people
nor
new ideas that impressed him, treading these familiar paths.  (We all know
what familiarity breeds...)  The tone of his account is jaded and
skeptical.
<

I'm disappointed that Robin found my report jaded, sceptical and
contemptuous.  I started it by saying that "The Playford Conference at
Cecil Sharp House was a major success by any standard", and as Vicky
Bestock said: "I think if you look more closely, you'll find that he is
enthusiastic about the scholarship involved and the new information he
gleaned."  But I don't see any point in a report which is just uncritical
adulation.  Maybe Robin should write her own.

What I can't let Robin get away with is her description of:

>accordion-driven Orange & Blue; besides accordion I recollect two
fiddles, electric guitar, and electric bass, a combination which lends
itself
to a raucous, dancy rumpety-tumpety reminiscent of Scottish Country Dance
bands.<

This means that anyone who hasn't heard Orange and Blue (which may be the
majority of people on the ECD List) will imagine them as a second-rate
Scottish Band.  There is no truth in this.  I thought they were excellent,
and so did Gene Murrow.  I know accordians are not much used for English
music in the States, but they are used a lot in England and some are very
good - and very different.  Chris Dewhurst is an organist who plays
accordian and the organ training comes across - he can produce some amazing
sounds.  Fiona Maurice-Smith has a very light touch and her style can often
bring a smile to your lips while being very danceable.  Rod Stradling can
play Scottish too, but his Playford style would never be mistaken for
Scottish.  Orange and Blue's Playford recordings were what drew me to
Playford, and I still love them.  I know Bare Necessities are a great band,
but that doesn't mean that every English band has to sound like them.

Colin Hume


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ECDers --

I don't think Orange & Blue require any defense against Robin's remarks,
which in fact seem to me to be complimentary.

Possibly Colin felt that Robin had taken some of his remarks out of context,
and that if she'd acknowledged all of his text she wouldn't have thought he
was, in the main, slagging the conference. Maybe it was as an example of this
that he did the same thing to Robin's remarks, not acknowledging oter
statements in the same paragraph.

What she said:

  The band for the Sunday afternoon tea dance, the closing event, was the
  popular accordion-driven Orange & Blue; besides accordion I recollect two
  fiddles, electric guitar, and electric bass, a combination which lends itself
  to a raucous, dancy rumpety-tumpety reminiscent of Scottish Country Dance
  bands.  As the dance progressed I was increasing curious about how Orange &
  Blue would render the dances on Gene Murrows planned list, especially Orly
  Krasners When Laura Smiles, which is set to the Philip Rosseter lute song.
  As it turned out, the band rose to the occasion, offering a sweet, restrained
  rendition, to which the dancers responded with corresponding sensitivity; this
  was followed by thrillingly energetic versions of Albany Assembly (dance by
  Victor Skowronski to tune by Susato) and The Homecoming (dance by Gary
  Roodman to tune by Jonathan Jensen).  

She didn't say that O&B had a raucous, dancy rumpety-tumpety; she said that 
their instrumentation would lend itself to it.  On the question of how they
actually played, she says "a sweet, restrained rendition", and "thrillingly
energetic."  This strikes me as a rave review, and there's certainly nothing
in what Robin said to justify Colin's suggestion that Robin thinks all bands
have to sound like Bare Necessities to be good.

Could we please have more stuff about people's experience of the workshop (of
which every description I've heard sounds absolutely wonderful, and there's 
room for more detailed reports), and maybe less stuff complaining about other
people's reports of their experience?

Thank you,

-- Alan
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Wallowing in my ignorance here -- what is the reference in the name "Orange
and Blue"?  Orange and blue what?

Thanks,

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Art Munisteri asked me to post this sad news about Bonny.

Bonny Hilditch, percussionist, caterer, chef, and country dancer, died, 
prematurely but peacefully, in her sleep at her home in Baltimore on Monday 
April 2, of heart failure. She was an intelligent, interesting and generous 
friend. She catered our wedding and several times (together with Ray 
Schneider) donated her culinary efforts to Pinewoods auctions. She's 
survived by her son Jeffrey, two brothers and her mother. A memorial service 
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On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Marian Phillips wrote:

> Wallowing in my ignorance here -- what is the reference in the name "Orange
> and Blue"?  Orange and blue what?

 As far as I know, it is a rallying cry for Irish Unionists. "For a croppy
I've a kick!/ and up with the orange and blue!"

  The "blue" part probably represents a claim to be "true blue patriots".


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Marian Phillips wrote:

> Wallowing in my ignorance here -- what is the reference in the name "Orange
> and Blue"?  Orange and blue what?

The band come from Bedford;  Orange and Blue are the town colours.
It also happens to be the name of a tune.  I think the combination
gave them the reason for the name.

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> I have sure felt the familiarity trap: every Monday
night,
> get out the materials to plan Wednesday's dance. Sit in
> the same place at the table....

Gee, maybe you should try a chair in the living room or go
out and sit on the grass....

:-)
L.

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This is from my sometimes faulty memory, but it seems to me that I've read
somewhere that "orange and blue" was a political reference to William of
Orange (or perhaps to the royal House of Orange). Some versions of  the song
"Green Grow the Lilacs" use the phrase "change the green lilacs to the
orange and blue", which became Americanized to "change the green lilacs to
the red, white and blue"....

Can anyone provide references to back up or debunk the above somewhat shaky
theory? I have no idea where I came up with this esoteric bit of  possibly
incorrect knowledge - just something that stuck from my public librarian
career (librarians are great at trivia, but not always so hot at
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Because, in this country, orange and blue generally signify Howard Johnson's, I
am endeavoring to think about something else.
At my English Country Dance last night, there was a good deal of discussion
about this very fine adaptation of the very fine Elizabeth Gaskell novel,
especially with reference to the dancing at the Easter Tuesday ball. I myself
had noted with pleasure that I could see, hear, and recognize "Speed the Plough"
and a rather sedate "Trip to Paris." StP I thought was dead on; TtP, I thought,
was possible, though it would have been terribly old-fashioned at the time. But
possible.

There was a third dance that just might have been a version of "Money-Musk" (the
only dance mentioned in the novel)--but the (it seemed) "ladies' chain" went by
rather quickly. I did not recognize the tune--but, of course, I don't know'em
all, and "Money-Musk" does not infallibly have the same tune.

My friends remarked that the dancing--including the lead actors--was well enough
executed that it seemed as though they had taken a little time to train the
actors. They also remarked that the dancers seemed to move rather vigorously,
and bounce a bit in the setting.

Thoughts from others?

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Marian Phillips writes:
> 
> Wallowing in my ignorance here -- what is the reference in the name "Orange
> and Blue"?  Orange and blue what?

   Those are the University of Illinois colors of course. ;-)

Jonathan "Hail to the orange, hail to the blue" Sivier

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> 	Rich-AT-
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*What* adaptation of the novel?  Is this a current movie, "playing in a
theatre near you!" or was it a TV special?

Pat
(hidden away in the countryside)

Graham wrote:

"At my English Country Dance last night, there was a good deal of discussion
about this very fine adaptation of the very fine Elizabeth Gaskell
novel...",

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Hi There.
We have some mid-week breaks at the Manor where we have empty space. If there is someone over there in the USA who would like to bring a group over to the UK to do some ECD in a genuine OEM then there could be the basis of a marvellous holiday for all concerned.
Halsway Manor for those who don't know it, is a unique residential folk music centre in Somerset, England, where you can just about dance 24 hours a day if you wish. To find out some of the background see www.halswaymanor.co.uk and listen to some of the sound samples from the latest CD, Email the manor at office-AT-
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regards alan - trustee.

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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>We have some mid-week breaks at the 
Manor where we have empty space. If there is someone over there in the USA who 
would like to bring a group over to the UK to do some ECD in a genuine OEM then 
there could be the basis of a marvellous holiday for all 
concerned.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>Halsway Manor for those who don't know 
it, is a unique residential folk music centre in Somerset, England, where you 
can just about dance 24 hours a day if you wish. To find out some of the 
background see <A 
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--- Patricia Ruggiero <ruggierop-AT-
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> *What* adaptation of the novel?  Is this a current movie,
> "playing in a theatre near you!" or was it a TV special?

Masterpiece Theatre on PBS--began a week ago Sunday here in
the Boston area.

--Lyrl

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Hello everybody! We finally got our website up to date for the Workshop July
16-27, 2001, even the online registration, so check it out:

http://www.mindfulnewmedia.com/baroquedance/

Cheers! Louise Pescetta


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Thanks, Lyrl.  I was hoping for a movie theatre, as we don't have TV.  Maybe
I can find a neighbor who's watching it.

Pat

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--- Patricia Ruggiero <ruggierop-AT-
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> *What* adaptation of the novel?  Is this a current movie,
> "playing in a theatre near you!" or was it a TV special?

Masterpiece Theatre on PBS--began a week ago Sunday here in
the Boston area.

--Lyrl

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Graham.Christian-AT-
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> 
> My friends remarked that the dancing--including the lead actors--was well enough executed that it seemed as though they had taken a little time to train the actors. They also remarked that the dancers seemed to move rather vigorously, and bounce a bit in the setting.
> 
Surprising as it may seem we on this side of the Pond do dance with a
bit more zest. After all the English were regarded as the best dancers
in Europe for over 250 years.

If memory serves me correctly it was a BBC production which went out
sometime early last summer over here.

Graham Knight
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> Graham.Christian-AT-
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> After all the English were regarded as the best dancers
> in Europe for over 250 years.


were??


Ron H

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probably in the same places where the English cuisine was considered the
best food in Europe   :-))

Giovanni De Amici

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> >
> > After all the English were regarded as the best dancers
> > in Europe for over 250 years.
>
> were??
>
> Ron H

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Hi List,

I know that one or more people posted the lyrics
to Mari's Wedding here during the past several months.
I find I need the words for a wedding gig coming up,
and I dumped that message.

Can someone send me the words off list?
I'd greatly appreciate it.

-Pamela Goddard
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I've sent the lyrics to Pam off-list, but I wanted to let folks on the list
know that a good source for lyrics (and, usually, tunes) for traditional
songs is the Digital Tradition, now living at:

http://www.mudcat.org

It's a searchable database of about 8000 songs, mostly trad.. Many of them
have the tunes encoded in "follow the bouncing ball" Songwright code.

Peace,
Paul

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Marian Phillips wrote:
> 
> Wallowing in my ignorance here -- what is the reference in the name "Orange
> and Blue"?  Orange and blue what?

I am uncertain myself, I thought Orange referred to the
Protestants in northern Ireland, blue presumably Catholics.
In any case, the tune and/or the phrase must have been
common enough for there to be similar titles like Orange in
Bloom. 

There are other examples of tunes or dances with similar
names. Here are a few:
 
Bobbing A-Joe (Wheatley), Bobbing Joe (Bampton), Bobby and
Joan (Fieldtown), Bob and Joan (Brackley)

Black Joke (Adderbury), Black Joker (Bledington), Old Black
Joe (Bucknell)

Bean Setting (Badby), Bean Planting (Stanton Harcourt)

Bride in Camp (Bampton), Brighton Camp (Stanton Harcourt)

The point being, that Orange and Blue would appear to have
been common enough to create a variant elsewhere.

Howard


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On Mon, 16 Apr 2001 00:01:13 -0700 Howard Carlberg <nsuch-AT-
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writes:
> 
> 
> There are other examples of tunes or dances with similar
> names. Here are a few:
>  
> Bobbing A-Joe (Wheatley), Bobbing Joe (Bampton), Bobby and
> Joan (Fieldtown), Bob and Joan (Brackley)

It's my understanding that this name comes from a ballad about "dancing
the bobbing Joan," a euphemism for doing the nasty. :-)

Dawn Culbertson
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--- "Dawn C. Culbertson" <dcculb-AT-
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> It's my understanding that this name comes from a ballad about
> "dancing
> the bobbing Joan," a euphemism for doing the nasty. :-)

Which has always struck me as itself one of the more inexplicable
euphemisms around.  It makes me think of the comment about the
American attitude toward sex being, "it's filthy and disgusting, save
it for someone you love."

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Help, help!

Can someone send me notes for "The Physical Snob"?  I want to teach it this weekend and find, to my great chagrin, that I don't have it written down anywhere.

gratefully-in-advance

Nilos
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In a message dated 4/17/01 8:54:25 AM, Tideswell-AT-
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<< Help, help!


Can someone send me notes for "The Physical Snob"?  I want to teach it this 
weekend and find, to my great chagrin, that I don't have it written down 
anywhere.


gratefully-in-advance


Nilos

 >>

Fun dance. Enjoy! 
Note the music is a brisk 9/8, so the skip is a triple-time skip.
Carl Friedman

The Physical Snob

3 couples longways proper

A1: Women take hands in line and skip around men back to place, first woman 
in lead.

A2: Men do the same.

B1: Pousettes: Couples 1 & 2 change places with 1st man pushing; then couples 
1 & 3 change with 1st man pulling

B2: Continue pousettes: couples 1 & 3 change back by completing their 
pousette, 1st man now pushing; then couples 1 and 2 change (completing their 
pousette) with 1st man now pulling. Everyone is now back to original place.

C1&2: (skipping step) 1s cross and cast, go below 2s who move up; then 1s 
cross through middle place and cast to bottom, 3s moving up. 
1s lead up center to top and then cast around outside to bottom.
(3rd woman has to be ready to take hands in line for next round.)
 
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In a message dated 16/4/01 3:00:58 pm, system-AT-
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>My friends remarked that the dancing--including the lead actors--was well
>enough executed that it seemed as though they had
>taken a little time to train the actors. They also remarked that the dancers
>seemed to move rather vigorously, and bounce a bit
>in the setting.

The choreographer was Jane Gibson, whose other notable successes involving 
country Dance on the small screen have included 'Pride and Prejudice' and 
'Lorna Doone', to name but two. Jane is a member of the EFDSS and a 
long-standing Country Dancer.
                                                        Nicolas B., Lanark, 
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On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 SallenNic-AT-
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> 
> In a message dated 16/4/01 3:00:58 pm, system-AT-
PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU 
> writes:
> 
> >My friends remarked that the dancing--including the lead actors--was well
> >enough executed that it seemed as though they had
> >taken a little time to train the actors. They also remarked that the dancers
> >seemed to move rather vigorously, and bounce a bit
> >in the setting.
> 
> The choreographer was Jane Gibson, whose other notable successes involving 
> country Dance on the small screen have included 'Pride and Prejudice' and 
> 'Lorna Doone', to name but two. Jane is a member of the EFDSS and a 
> long-standing Country Dancer.

She did a hell of a job with "Pride and Prejudice."  As more of a dance
musician than a dancer, I was particularly impressed with the way they
represented the different strata of society through the styles of the dance
bands at the various balls depicted in the movie: a somewhat rowdy and
rambunctious style for the dance hosted by the Bennets' friends, and a very
upscale classical style for Mr. Darcy's dance.  It really helped the viewer
understand why Darcy was so contemptuous of the lower-middle-class dance.

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On Mon, 16 Apr 2001 14:25:02 -0700 (PDT) Barbara Ruth
<barbararuth-AT-
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> 
> --- "Dawn C. Culbertson" <dcculb-AT-
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> 
> a euphemism for doing the nasty. :-)
> 
> Which has always struck me as itself one of the more inexplicable
> euphemisms around.  It makes me think of the comment about the
> American attitude toward sex being, "it's filthy and disgusting, 
> save
> it for someone you love."

I've never quite understood that expression either, wherever it may have
come from. I don't agree with it; I was just trying to be facetious.

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Thank you, NB, for word about Jane Gibson.
More recently, there were two more dances in evidence. One was "Hole in the
Wall," tho--if I am right, without benefit of instant replay--it looked as
though it had been modified ("to fit your television screen"). Cynthia and her
beau seemed to be  the 2s, and they danced the *first* A (so they cast up and
led down); also, it seemed that at the end of the round they cast up and the 1s
led down. Perhaps this made for better camera positioning, or more consistent
focus on Cynthia's fair face.

The second dance I did not recognize by tune, but looked like a waltz mixer
(balance back and forward; change lobsters; balance back and forward; keep
changing lobsters to the end of the A repeats: waltz with last lobster). Because
the narration (and camera) cut away, I could not determine if the couples were
about to waltz freely, or turn around each other to resume the circle formation.

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On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:10:39 -0700 (PDT) Jon Berger <jberger-AT-
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writes:
> On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 SallenNic-AT-
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> 
> > 
> > In a message dated 16/4/01 3:00:58 pm, 
> system-AT-
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> > writes:
> > 
>
> > The choreographer was Jane Gibson, whose other notable successes 
> involving 
> > country Dance on the small screen have included 'Pride and 
> Prejudice' and 
> > 'Lorna Doone', to name but two. Jane is a member of the EFDSS and 
> a 
> > long-standing Country Dancer.
> 
> She did a hell of a job with "Pride and Prejudice."  As more of a 
> dance
> musician than a dancer, I was particularly impressed with the way 
> they
> represented the different strata of society through the styles of 
> the dance
> bands at the various balls depicted in the movie:

She certainly did do a hell of a job, and it must have been especially
tough considering that there were several dance scenes which involved
very important dialogue. Now all this talk about "Pride & Prejudice"
makes me want to watch it again! :-)

Actually, just as an aside--for those who missed it and have cable, the
A&E network is rerunning Pride & Prejudice in 1-hour installments all
this week at the rather ungodly hour of 7 a.m. A good excuse to crank up
your VCRs...

Dawn Culbertson
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It's not unusual for discussions on the ECD List and the Strathspey
server to intersect, but there's also occasional intersection with the
East European Folklife Center listserv, to wit

[Speaking of making a film of highlights of East Coast Balkan Camp]
> My own candidate for the highlight film was listening to Merita and Raif
> sing the Barney song ("I love you, you love me...") in traditional
> Albanian Tosc polyphony, as well as Old MacDonald Had a Farm, at 3:30 in
> the morning in the Kafana.  The written word simply cannot convey the
> depth of expression, or absurdity.

[Repetitions riffs and unusual meters seem to matter...]

> http://www.uc.edu/news/kellaris.htm
> 
> Songs That Cause The Brain To 'Itch': UC Professor
> Investigating Why Certain Tunes Get Stuck In Our Heads

That's "C" as in "Cincinnati".  

Enjoy!

				Tom



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if you're within driving distance of Boston, or are coming to NEFFA, the
Boston Centre invites you to our Pre-Neffa party dance, this Wednesday at
7:30, at the Park Avenue Church. Directions to the hall can be found at our
www.cds-boston.org.

 Charles Bolton will be leading the evening; if you miss him Wednesday
night, you can still catch him at NEFFA, and at the NY Ball on April 28.

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Is Charles Bolton's entire tour itinerary posted somewhere?

On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, Terence Gaffney wrote of this Wednesday's
Boston-area English dance:

>  Charles Bolton will be leading the evening; if you miss him Wednesday
> night, you can still catch him at NEFFA, and at the NY Ball on April 28.

Or in Princeton on Wednesday, April 25 at the Suzanne Patterson Center,
8-10:30 p.m. Check <http://www.princetonol.com/groups/pcd> for details or
e-mail me by Tuesday.

See you at NEFFA!

Susie Lorand
Princeton, NJ, USA

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Ask, and you shall receive.  The rest of Charles Bolton's itinerary follows. 
  Don't miss out on an opportunity to experience one of the UK's finest 
teachers and choreographers.

--Orly Krasner


Wednesday, 18 April:  Boston (regular Arlington dance)

Saturday, 21 April:  NEFFA (a program of his dance reconstructions, from his 
series of "Retreads," with music by The Flying Romanos)

Tuesday, 24 April:  New York (CD*NY) Playford Ball Preparation**

Wednesday, 25 April:  Princeton  Music by Susie Lorand, fiddle; Judy 
Kleppel, oboe; paul prestopino; mandolin; and Roberta Truscello, piano.

Saturday, 28 April:  The CD*NY Playford Ball (sold out)

Tuesday, 1 May:  CD*NY--a program of his own devising.  Music by Paul 
Friedman, fiddle; Wayne Hankin, winds; and Marnen Laibow-Koser, piano.  If 
the occasion isn't tempatation enough, the break will feature all the 
leftover goodies from the Ball!**

Thursday, 3 May:  Westchester (CDW)  Music by George Davis, fiddle; Sue 
Polansky, clarinet; and Leah Barkan, piano.

**For details, check out our website:  www.cdny.org

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The  dance looked like Northdown Waltz  which is not a mixer 
(at least not the way I have seen it done)
although it appeared to be a mixer the way they were doing it in the
show.
The music was definitely the Northdown Waltz music.

Martha
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On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 07:00:04 -0800 (PST) 
> 
> The second dance I did not recognize by tune, but looked like a 
> waltz mixer
> (balance back and forward; change lobsters; balance back and 
> forward; keep
> changing lobsters to the end of the A repeats: waltz with last 
> lobster). Because
> the narration (and camera) cut away, I could not determine if the 
> couples were
> about to waltz freely, or turn around each other to resume the 
> circle formation.
> 
> G
> 
> 
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(Please excuse any cross-postings.)

"All the ills of mankind…, all the political blunders, all the failures of the great leaders have arisen merely from a lack of skill in dancing."
    Molière

Come save yourselves and all mankind; join us for…

HISTORICAL DANCE PROGRAM

AT THE 

AMHERST EARLY MUSIC FESTIVAL

July 29-August 5, 2001 and August 5-12, 2001

University of Connecticut at Storrs

THIS YEAR'S THEME:

"Music of France and the Low Countries: Medieval, Renaissance, Baroque"

For over twenty years the historical dance program has been a highly successful part of the Amherst Early Music Festival, itself the largest festival of its kind in the world. Students particularly enjoy the opportunities for performance, along with stimulating classes by dance historians and performers." [See below for comments from workshop participants]

· FACULTY

Dorothy Olsson, Director; Kaspar D. Mainz; Carol G. Marsh
    For faculty bios, see:
http://www.AmherstEarlyMusic.org/

· DANCE CLASSES

Dance is an integral part of the Amherst Early Music Festival; classes will be offered in Renaissance and Baroque dance, dance notation, and country dance/contredanse. Classes are given in one of three spacious dance studios. All levels of dancers are welcome. 

Tentative Schedule as of March 7, 2001 (subject to change; see http://www.AmherstEarlyMusic.org/ for most current information and for photos):

Week I

"Historical Dances for Teachers"  

A special workshop for teachers of dance, music, and theater at the elementary, secondary and college level who wish to enhance their programs with dances from historical periods. A knowledge of historical dance is becoming more important within performing arts education. Participants will learn a variety of dances from the 15th to the 19th centuries, become familiar with historical dance music, discuss issues related to teaching these dances, and prepare for a short performance of Renaissance and Baroque dances with live music. A booklet containing the choreographies and music for dances taught, and a CD with recordings of the dances will be available for purchase. 

The program consists of four classes daily, Monday through Friday, with a performance on Saturday afternoon. Participants are also entitled to attend many other events (including English country dancing, concerts and lectures) in the evenings that are part of the Amherst Early Music Festival Central Program. For more details, see: http://www.AmherstEarlyMusic.org/

Faculty: Dr. Dorothy Olsson, Kaspar D. Mainz, Dr. Ross Duffin [music staff]

9-10:30 am
Dances of the Renaissance Period. Mainz, Olsson

10:45am-12:15pm
Survey of Historical Dance Music. Duffin

1:30-3 pm
Dances of the Seventeenth and Eighteenth Centuries  . Mainz, Olsson

3:30-5:30 pm
Colloquium: Discussion, Rehearsal for Performance. Mainz, Olsson

Week II 

Faculty: Dr. Dorothy Olsson, Kaspar D. Mainz, Dr. Carol G. Marsh

9-10:30 am
Dansons! Dances of the Late Renaissance. Mainz, Olsson

10:45am-12:15pm
Jardin de Cupidon: French Contredanses. Marsh

1:30-3 pm
French and German Baroque Dances. Mainz, Marsh

1:30-3 pm
Beginning Renaissance and Baroque Dance. Olsson

3:30-5:30 pm
Theater project rehearsal: "Sur l'Amour, la Mort et la Folie: On Love, Death and Folly." Mainz, Olsson

· PERFORMANCE OPPORTUNITIES 

Participants will also have the opportunity, unusual among summer workshops, to perform in a public theatrical performance, with costumes and to the accompaniment of live music. The production, entitled "Sur l'Amour, la Mort et la Folie: On Love, Death and Folly," will take place during the second week of the Amherst Early Music Festival, and will feature music and dance from sixteenth-century France. Director: Grant Herreid. Dance Directors: Dorothy Olsson, Kaspar D. Mainz; Poet Laureate: Lawrence Rosenwald; Music Director: Tom Zajac.

There will be other performance opportunities, on student concerts given during both weeks.

· SPECIAL LECTURE BY DANCE HISTORIAN CAROL G. MARSH,
University of North Carolina at Greensboro

August 6, 2001

"Branles, Bourrées, and Bohémiens: Four Centuries of French Music and Dance"
    Dance and Dance Music of Northern Europe from 1450-1750, with live music and dance demonstrations by Amherst Early Music faculty

· CONCERTS

Participants can attend a wide array of concerts; in the last two years concerts were presented by Boston Shawm & Sackbut Band, Ben Bagby, Flanders Recorder Quartet, Les Voix Humaines, and Fortune's Wheel. For information on the 2001 concert schedule, see: http://www.AmherstEarlyMusic.org/

· COMMENTS FROM WORKSHOP PARTICPANTS

"The Amherst Early Music Festival was a treasure of information and insight into the historical origins of classical ballet and the dance classes were a springboard to new insights on group movement and choreography. Performing in a historical masque was the catalyst for my own dance company's Renaissance evening. The well versed and very approachable faculty made this festival both enriching and inspiring. I am sure that this festival will continue to influence my choreographic vision for years to come."

    Paul Abrahamson, Artistic Director, The Moose Project, Chicago, IL

"My experience at Amherst opened a rich and stimulating new world of knowledge about Medieval, Renaissance, and Baroque dance and music.  It was an intensive two weeks that gave me very concrete specific skills and dances that I have used as springboards for my own choreography, as the basis for a course on western theatrical dance for high school students, and as a lively educational addition to my middle school dance composition classes.  The teachers are active in the field, knowledgeable and able to convey the material clearly and with a great sense of fun.  The opportunity to perform this material with period instruments is a rare and privileged experience."

    Sarah Stead, Saint Ann's School, Brooklyn Heights, NY 

· FOR MORE INFORMATION AND APPLICATION FORM

Workshop fees will be available in the near future. 

For further information, please contact:

Amherst Early Music
www.amherstearlymusic.org
Marilyn Boenau, director
P.O. Box  1322     
Shirley, MA 01464
Phone: 978.425.4400
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One thing that struck me about the selection of dances in the various Jane
Austen movies was the extended time period from which they came.

Regarding the movie under discussion, Hole in the Wall appeared in the
Dancing Master between the years 1696 and 1728.  In a Jane Austen movie (I
forget which one), Grimstock appears (Dancing Master 1651-1690) (both refs
from Keller and Shimer's _The Playford Ball_).  Were folks still dancing
these, and other "older" dances, in 1800?

Pat
Charlottesville, Virginia

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Thank you, NB, for word about Jane Gibson.
More recently, there were two more dances in evidence. One was "Hole in the
Wall," tho--if I am right, without benefit of instant replay--it looked as
though it had been modified ("to fit your television screen"). Cynthia and
her
beau seemed to be  the 2s, and they danced the *first* A (so they cast up
and
led down); also, it seemed that at the end of the round they cast up and the
1s
led down. Perhaps this made for better camera positioning, or more
consistent
focus on Cynthia's fair face.

The second dance I did not recognize by tune, but looked like a waltz mixer
(balance back and forward; change lobsters; balance back and forward; keep
changing lobsters to the end of the A repeats: waltz with last lobster).
Because
the narration (and camera) cut away, I could not determine if the couples
were
about to waltz freely, or turn around each other to resume the circle
formation.

G


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NO THEY WEREN'T

I didn't want to be the one that started questioning the historical
authenticity of what was used but I know that I was squirming in my seat and
my partner refused to watch at the same time because she knew how angry I
would get.

Regards - Michael Barraclough

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One thing that struck me about the selection of dances in the various Jane
Austen movies was the extended time period from which they came.

Regarding the movie under discussion, Hole in the Wall appeared in the
Dancing Master between the years 1696 and 1728.  In a Jane Austen movie (I
forget which one), Grimstock appears (Dancing Master 1651-1690) (both refs
from Keller and Shimer's _The Playford Ball_).  Were folks still dancing
these, and other "older" dances, in 1800?

Pat
Charlottesville, Virginia

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Subject: Re: Wives and daughters, more!




Thank you, NB, for word about Jane Gibson.
More recently, there were two more dances in evidence. One was "Hole in the
Wall," tho--if I am right, without benefit of instant replay--it looked as
though it had been modified ("to fit your television screen"). Cynthia and
her
beau seemed to be  the 2s, and they danced the *first* A (so they cast up
and
led down); also, it seemed that at the end of the round they cast up and the
1s
led down. Perhaps this made for better camera positioning, or more
consistent
focus on Cynthia's fair face.

The second dance I did not recognize by tune, but looked like a waltz mixer
(balance back and forward; change lobsters; balance back and forward; keep
changing lobsters to the end of the A repeats: waltz with last lobster).
Because
the narration (and camera) cut away, I could not determine if the couples
were
about to waltz freely, or turn around each other to resume the circle
formation.

G


The BancWare Client Conference
June 10th-June 14th, 2001
Westin Copley Hotel
Boston, MA  02116

Graham Christian
Technical Writer, Product Management
SunGard Trading and Risk Systems
88 Broad Street, Boston, MA  02110
Telephone number: (617)542-2800, extension 248
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Hi folks:

The St. Louis English Country Dancers present their annual Playford Ball on
Saturday, May 19, 2001, beginning at 8:00 p.m.. The Ball will be held at the
Monday Club, 37 S. Maple (at Cedar) in the near-ring suburb of Webster
Groves. Dance leader is Peter Wollenberg with guest calling by Chrissy
Howell and others; music will be provided by the Original Speckled Band --
Pam Carson (fiddle), Becky Coalson (bass), Paul Ovaitt (mandolin, drum and
guitar), Erica Randolph (flute and recorders), Elliott Ribner (recorders and
whistles), and Paul Stamler (guitars).

Fancy dress (your definition) is encouraged, and all dances will be taught.
Please bring munchable snacks that don't require cooking (kitchen not
available). For information, directions, or whatever, please call Paul
Stamler at 314-664-9207, or e-mail pstamler-AT-
pobox.com .

A splendid time is guaranteed for all.

Peace,
Paul

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I'm looking for an available recording of Dover Pier. Any clues?
-- 
"Come dancing, it's only natural." -- Ray Davies
Gary Shapiro  <http://www-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu/~winston/ecd/repasky.htmlx>
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At 12:17 AM 4/21/01 -0700, you wrote:
>I'm looking for an available recording of Dover Pier. Any clues?

Kentish Hops, by the Ring O'Bells Country Dance Band.  May not still be
available, but it's the only recording I have of Dover Pier.
Good luck!
Sharon
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My hairdresser of many years told me today when I got my hair cut that he
had seen on a video that he rented last night a trailer for something--he
didn't know if it was a coming-soon big-screen movie, or a
soon-to-be-released video or catch-it-soon TV movie--called something
like Song Stealer which is set in the early 1920s and deals with a woman
who travels in West Virginia to find the ancient folk songs of the
peoples.  (Shades of Mr. Sharp!) 

Does anyone have any more accurate/detailed information on same? Sounds
as if it could be fun.

Allison Thompson 
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<<My hairdresser of many years told me today when I got my hair cut that he
had seen on a video that he rented last night a trailer for something--he
didn't know if it was a coming-soon big-screen movie, or a
soon-to-be-released video or catch-it-soon TV movie--called something
like Song Stealer which is set in the early 1920s and deals with a woman
who travels in West Virginia to find the ancient folk songs of the
peoples.  (Shades of Mr. Sharp!)

Does anyone have any more accurate/detailed information on same? Sounds
as if it could be fun.>>

I believe the title is "Song Catcher", and I gather it's a romanticized
version of the life of a real folklorist, the "Traipsin' Woman" Jean Thomas,
who organized the American Folk Song Festival in Kentucky. She was quite a
promoter, not above fictionalizing the biographies of her informants to make
a more marketable story (witness "Jilson Setters", a fiddler she featured as
having just regained his sight. He had, but twenty years earlier -- and his
real name was J. W. Day.)

Of course, if the film is about someone else my foot is now firmly in my
mouth. In any case, I gather the soundtrack has great songs on it.

Peace,
Paul


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I was interested in this film, which I have not yet seen, since I met Jean
Thomas at her Tudor Revival home in Ashland, KY, around May of 1964, when I
was in high school. She was quite gracious to me and my parents, as I recall
(we'd just dropped in out of curiousity, en route to collecting my visiting
grandmother and great-aunt from the nearby train station), and urged us to
attend the upcoming annual folk song festival that she initiated. The
festival was then held on her wooded property near her house, and I remember
seeing a small amphitheatre with wooden bench seats for the audience and a
small stage.

So I did a quick-and-dirty search for more info about this film, and
discovered that various reviewers had various ideas about the real person
upon whom this fictionalized movie is based. Some said Olive Dame Campbell;
others said Dorothy Scarborough, who collected songs in the Asheville, NC,
area in the 1930s and who wrote a book intitled _Songcatcher in the Southern
Mountains-. There's also a newish play with a similar title, about a woman
collecting traditional songs from the Southwestern American Indians.

Since I have yet to see this film, I can't voice an opinion about its
inspiration - but I'd guess that "Lily Penleric"" is an amalgam of various
women who collected material in the mountains over the years. Interesting
topic; thanks for the heads-up. Apparently "Song Catcher" wasn't a big hit
on the big screen - it was released on video last December. I'll try to have
a look (interesting main-character surname; too - "pen" + "leric/lyric"? Was
that deliberate?).

The reviews also indicated that a number of fairly prominent present-day
folk musicians are featured in this film.

Susan Booker


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Any idea if the film will be available/shown on TV in the UK?

Bob
  

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Here's info from the Internet Movie Database:

http://us.imdb.com/Title?0210299

--Charlene

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Allison asked:

 >My hairdresser ... told me ... that he had seen ... a trailer
 >for something ... called something like Song Stealer which is
 >set in the early 1920s and deals with a woman who travels in
 >West Virginia to find the ancient folk songs of the peoples.
 >(Shades of Mr. Sharp!) 
 >
 >Does anyone have any more accurate/detailed information on same?
 >Sounds as if it could be fun.

Paul answered:

 >I believe the title is "Song Catcher" ...

The Internet Movie Database (a very useful resource at www.imdb.com)
has listings for neither title. I've never seen it miss before.

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In a message dated 29/3/01 4:00:49 pm, system-AT-
PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU 
writes:

>Let me say that I find Mr. Hume's remarks stimulating and intriguing--let
>me add
>my very humble, narrow, wrong-end-of-telescope $.02.
>On contra dance:
>
>I think I have been spoiled by some very good and rather intellectual 
callers--I
>could name, in addition to Mr. Parkes, Chris Ricciotti, Ruth Sylvester,
>Dan
>Pearl, Laura Johannes, Lisa Greenleaf, Linda Leslie, Sue Rosen--just for
>starters. All of these have, at one time or another, called dances or whole
>evenings that have delighted my mind as much as my body. I agree that there
>is a
>kind of inevitability about at least a partner swing in most contras, and
>perhaps also a neighbor swing--but there has been a great deal of ingenuity
>demonstrated in *how*, and *when*, these swings are arrived at. It is true
>that
>perhaps too many contras are, as Mr. Hume describes, DM improper--but then,
>there is perhaps a burden on callers to call TM, or Chorus Jig, or 4-facing-4
>dances such as Devil's Backbone whenever possible.
>
>On English Country Dance:
>
>My perceptions here differ somewhat from Mr Hume's here. In Boston, it
>seems to
>me that the Boston Centre has an immense repertoire; the Jamaica Plain
>dance's
>repertoire is smaller, but still not noticeably small. Glancing again over
>the
>program from the recent ball, I see dances such as Michael and All Angels;
>Slof
>Galliard; The Merry, Merry Milkmaids; The Merry Salopians; Winter Solstice.
>Are
>these, strictly speaking, *easy* dances? Perhaps they are; perhaps any
>number of
>you will tell me, Well, *that*'s not hard, once you know it! You just go
>here,
>and here, and here, and here, see? I would say that of course they are
>not
>difficult once you know what they're about--but isn't that what knowledge
>is? I
>would also say that they are not easy as Take a Dance is easy, or Hole
>in the
>Wall is easy. Is there some absolute uppermost tier of difficulty I'm missing
>here? Yes, some of Fried Herman's dances are several notches more difficult
>than
>any of these--but how much difficulty is required before we can consider
>ourselves non-decadent English Country Dancers? Are we looking for, shall
>we
>say, the difficulty of *Finegans Wake* versus the difficulty of *The Wings
>of
>the Dove* or *Mrs Dalloway*? *Lulu* versus *Four Saints in Three Acts*?
>[I know,
>I know: all you have to do with *FW* is get jokes in four languages! all
>you
>have to do with *Lulu* is hear tonerows and partial tonerows! Uh-huh.]
>
>That said, I feel hungry for challenges at times too, and I don't believe
>in
>aiming always for the lowest common denominator. In an American evening
>of ECD,
>where we call only ECD, and that without much interval for laughing and
>chatting, we must "entertain": keep the new or more uncertain dancers from
>getting too frustrated--but also keep our more experienced dancers
>interested--and that's a considerable challenge. Plus, I am also a fervent
>believer in set dances. But I also resisted them when I was relatively
>new to
>dancing. Dancing more of them changed my views. My most successful ventures
>in
>set dances always happen when a kind of group mind develops within the
>set: we
>all become equally determined to understand and execute the dance as well
>as
>possible, together. And then the thanks to the set at the end is genuine.
>It
>never hurts for the caller to say, or imply, that it helps to look around
>at all
>the other dancers in a set before you begin--it helps all the dancers to
>commit
>to working together, at least for the next five or ten minutes.
>
>And I agree that the range of tempi is too narrow--and I certainly hear
>grousing
>when I want to call a dance outside that range. Just last night, in fact,
>I
>called The Spring. Slowly. And you should have heard the band, and then
>the
>dancers, groan--but they did it, and I think, for the most part, liked
>it. And,
>contrariwise, I have heard groans when I have called Knives and Forks at
>an
>*allegro-vivo*-ish sort of tempo...And I agree that there are far too many
>newer
>dances now that involve simply swanning about to waltz-tunes (I'm guilty
>of
>writing them too!), not enough crisp movement, jig tunes, duple-meter tunes,
>and
>so forth--but the phenomenon is not new--think of Bare Necessities or Quite
>Carried Away. Yet, our dancers at JP don't object when we call lively dances,
>or
>dances that ask for skips or skip-changes.
>
>It seems to me that I meet many dancers who enjoy challenging dances, fast
>dances, etc. Are they the majority of any crowd? Probably not--nor should
>we
>expect them to be. Many of the dancers who want only easy dances, or swooping
>dances, I suspect, are just passing through. It may take them a couple
>of years
>to complete the pass--but when they perceive that Step Stately and Fandango
>are
>also at the heart of the tradition, they will start to drift away.
>
>So, of those who remain--to touch upon Mr Hume's last point--are there,
>will
>there be, enough to keep the tradition alive? Well, I wonder how many will
>seem
>like enough, and how young they have to be for us to feel encouraged. Many
>of my
>good dance friends are in their thirties or early forties, a few a little
>younger--is that young enough? The JP dance commands an attendance of,
>broadly,
>20-40 per evening--is that enough? the Boston Centre dances are somewhat
>larger--will we consider them to have failed if in twenty years they have
>dropped to the size of the JP dance? Also--to address a kind of social
>psychology--we should not be surprised that many people come around to
>ECD in
>their thirties and forties. In one's teens and twenties, one is highly
>likely to
>hue as closely as possible to popular trends; later, it occurs to you that
>it
>would be nice to look into people's faces; to hear music and move to it
>without
>damaging the eardrums; to seek out communities that have a greater affinity
>than
>all being twenty-four and single. It is possible that tomorrow's dancers
>are
>going to raves now, isn't it?
>
>And if not, ECD has already shown a remarkable ability to revive from
>near-complete moribundity, like the Jerusalem plant. I think it's fair
>to say
>that it had died, been buried, lost all flesh from the yellowed bones,
>before
>the Sharp revival--and look at it now, almost a century later. [I don't
>discount
>the possibility that someone, somewhere, was half-secretly doing Drops
>of Brandy
>and the like at the time of Sharp's revival--but I don't think the same
>can be
>said of Upon a Summer's Day and the other Playford and post-Playford 
creations].
>
>In sum, I think that the evidence for the decline is mixed. Is the climate
>changing? Of course: it always is. In the period when many of these dances
>were
>written, most people still believed that while everything above the orbit
>of the
>moon was fixed, everything below it, including our mudball, was subject
>to
>change. But perhaps the news is not all bad.

    I have been meaning to write and thank you for a most stimulating and 
thoughtful piece of writing. I heartily concur with almost everything you sa
id.
    What Colin did not say, and this is the reason I send this privately, is 
that the Country Dance fraternity in Britain are vastly more of an ageing 
group than in the USA, and furthermore the standard of dancing here is 
absolutely woefully abysmal compared with that found in lots of areas in the 
States! I must, however, qualify that by saying that we found last summer the 
dancers in the Boston Centre dance which I ran to be unadaptable, unwilling 
to do anything but walk (I called to them several times during a particular 
dance "the Composer of this dance specifies a double step here - please do 
it" - but I might have been calling out to a hall full of deaf mutes! They 
would NOT do it). We also were deafened by the scuffing of the feet when 
dancing there, and I commented on it, to no avail again. My wife and I had 
long discussions about it all afterwards and one of the conclusions we 
reached was that it had to do with the style of music which has been 
available there for the last twenty or so years.
    Interestingly enough, during the course of four tours in the USA ('91, 
'94, '95 and '2000) the consistently best style of dance I found was at Berea 
in Kentucky. There the dancing seemed to be vigorous, varied in pace, 
technically good, happy and relaxed, enjoyed without studied mannerisms (such 
as the rather intense eyeballing one meets in some places over that side of 
the pond) and many dances known well, and danced without being called 
continuously (one of my favourite hobbyhorses!) - in fact very like the 
dancing I grew up with in the 50's and 60's in England.
    You refer to having composed dances in waltz time; presumably you have 
composed others as well - have you published at all? I'd be interested if you 
have.
                                                Nicolas (Broadbridge), 
Lanark, Scotland.
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At 7:02 AM -0400, on 4/21/01, Sharon Green wrote:

>At 12:17 AM 4/21/01 -0700, you wrote:
>>I'm looking for an available recording of Dover Pier. Any clues?
>
>Kentish Hops, by the Ring O'Bells Country Dance Band.  May not still be
>available, but it's the only recording I have of Dover Pier.
>Good luck!

It seems to be out of print.

I'll get the band to play it at our May 26 gig and with their 
permission I'll record it.
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Approx. 8:00 pm EST, Monday, April 23rd, 2001

Apparently, I am the first ECD member to receive her copy of Martha
Stewart's LIVING magazine for May 2001 which features a CHARMING yet
almost TOTALLY INACCURATE description of generic May Day Celebrations
(time period, country, socio-economic class unspecified) and its
accompanying UNIVERSAL May Pole Dance, including a description of how to
perform "The Barber's Pole," the "Single Braid," and the "Spider's Web,”
which, from my fairly limited experience (I only taught about 80
college-aged students to perform such), would be...SIMPLISTIC...or
perhaps, OPTIMISTIC....to say the least!

Hah!  Beat you all! You’re probably waiting to pick up the newstand copy!

On the other hand, elsewhere in the issue there is a great ***culinary***
opportunity to bake a little merely two-layer white cake with coconut
frosting (see p. x for how to kill and harvest a coconut) with a maypole
sticking out of it whose ribbon streamers go out to individual "dancer"
cupcakes each of which is decorated with an individually crafted
6-petalled flower whose petals are cut from one of 6 color-coordinated
"jellied citrus slices"--you know them, those ones in a half-moon shape
in lovely bright colors that were so yummy when you were eight--but to
cut the petals you need a "2 to 2 1/2 inch gum-paste petal cutter"
(whatever that is) and to make the whole thing you’ll need at least
SEVENTY-TWO of these (color--or for our Brit friends--colour-coordinated)
candies ...not including the boo-boos....well, I'm cutting the article
out & may someday make the cake for a folk event but if I do I'm warning
everyone in advance WHETHER I KNOW THEM OR NOT that they are NOT ALLOWED
TO EAT IT!

Now, having poked fun at M.S., I must say that I regard her in the same
light as C.S.--that is, as a great person, with flaws, who creates an
empire that everyone believes in or at least buys a
subscription/membership to, and who creates a fervor, a mood, an
excitement that a less--um--opinionated person would not.  Most of us
would be thrilled to create the same. It truly takes a talent that only a
few people each century have.

Allison
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Approx. 10 pm EST Monday, April 23, 2001

Also in late breaking news that I lack the ertia to address, the final
pages of Ms. Stewart's latest issue states as another charming, yet
ill-founded-fact that the invention of both the polka dot and its
accompanying ballroom dance are connected to the "1880s".

Shall we rally? Shall we protest? Shall we chain ourselves (see issue
#34) to the hand-forged links of her 20-foot high fence ("make your own"
in issue #78) in eastern Connecticut? Or shall we just fold our tents
("Stripes or Solids--only a Sheik can decide!" (see issue 112)) and slink
away?

Yours sincerely,

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>Shall we rally? Shall we protest? Shall we chain ourselves (see issue
>#34) to the hand-forged links of her 20-foot high fence ("make your own"
>in issue #78) in eastern Connecticut? Or shall we just fold our tents
>("Stripes or Solids--only a Sheik can decide!" (see issue 112)) and slink
>away?
>
>Yours sincerely,
>
>Allison

You are just TOO funny.  I say protest and protest loud.  I'm already 
on Martha's black list, so I say we go to her house and dance on her 
ever-so-green and manicured lawn.

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On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 22:49:21 -0400 Mary Beth Goodman
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> 
> You are just TOO funny.  I say protest and protest loud.  I'm 
> already 
> on Martha's black list, so I say we go to her house and dance on her 
>  ever-so-green and manicured lawn.

And if you want to really dish the dirt on Ms. Stewart, I suggest the
unauthorized biography of her called "Just Desserts." (According to the
author, she even tried to prevent its publication!) I think Martha would
benefit greatly from a steady diet of English dancing, if you ask me--it
might help get her mind off all that colour-coordinating.

Dawn Culbertson
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Martha who?  You mean that K-Mart woman?

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Country Dancers of Westchester offers its "April
Flowers & Showers dance party at 8pm, Friday, April
27, at the Church in the Highlands on Bryant Ave.,
White Plains, NY.

The Seattle-based ensemble of Judi Rivkin, caller, and
the musicians, "The Tricky Brits," will play for the
party. The band features Anita Anderson, piano; Dave
Bartley, mandolin; Betsy Adamson Cooper, flute; and
Sande Gillette, fiddle.

As ever, sumptuous refreshments at the break. 
Contributions to the feed are most welcome.

Admission is $12.00; CDW members pay $10.00.

Thursday night workshop dances continue in the weeks
following. Charles Bolton is the special guest caller
on 3 May backed by the house band (Leah Barkan, George
Davis, Sue Polansky, & Stewart Dean). On 10 May and 17
May, Paul Ross will call. The Flying Romanos - Robin
Russell, Marnen Laibow-Koser, & Norma Castle - make
music on the 10th, and the house band plays again on
the 17th.

Also mark your calendars for the annual season finale
for CDW. It's the "Ice Cream Social," and it'll be
held Saturday, 26 May (Memorial Day weekend).

Directions to the Church in the Highlands; the entire
spring, 2001, schedule; and other CDW information are
available at our website:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/2225/

Note that White Plains is a 30-minute rail trip on
Metro North from Grand Central Terminal in New York
City. There's frequent service.

For more information, call Susan at 914-762-8619  or 
Leah at 914/693-5577.

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Hi all - i've been lurking for a while, but want to stir up a little 
post-NEFFA controversy.

What, in your opinions, makes  an ECD dance *less* fun?  I'm not so 
much looking for a "love it / hate it" fest... just trying to get at 
some sense of general principles.  We don't all agree on the criteria 
for a "good" or "bad" dance.  And i've noticed that the criteria 
change over time.

When i first started ECD, i *liked* Parson's Farewell.  Now i find it 
fussy, and a bit silly.  (Maybe i enjoyed the challenge early on.)  I 
still like some of the hand-clapping dances, and knees-up ceilidh, 
but notice that many folks don't.  Badly designed dances feel 
awkward, or even painful.  (And even in a well-designed dance, as i 
age i find the "dreaded backring" with shoulder-high hands more and 
more nasty.)  Boring or repetitive music will kill the fun in a dance 
for me.  Other dancers in my set finding a particular dance 
unlikeable will make the dance much less fun, as they won't be 
inclined to dance their best.

So, my own personal list of criteria for unenjoyable dances:
      *Too fussy, too much teaching time relative to dancing time
      * Too silly (childish rather than childlike)
      * Physically awkward or uncomfortable
      * Boring music
      * An unenjoyable set of fellow dancers

Presumably, good dances would be just the reverse of this.

Other opinions?

Cheers - Linda
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Apologies for failing to change the addressee on my last posting - red face!!!
                                                                    Nicolas.
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In a message dated 4/24/01 7:01:15 AM, allisonthompson-AT-
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>a "2 to 2 1/2 inch gum-paste petal cutter"
>(whatever that is) 

We should be hearing from Susan Murrow any minute now....

Nilos (who isn't making that cake, either, not with green-dyed coconut, not 
with tiny authentically-costumed color-coordinated marzipan morris dancers, 
not no way, not nohow)
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>Nilos (who isn't making that cake, either, not with green-dyed coconut, not
>with tiny authentically-costumed color-coordinated marzipan morris dancers,
>not no way, not nohow)

Well, if she changes her mind, can I have the scraps from the marzipan!

MMMMmmmmmmmmmmmm

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Glancing quickly at the subject lines when my mail came in, I honestly
thought this was the name of a Scottish dance being discussed on the
Strathspey List.  No reason, though, why it can't be an English dance......

Pat

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OK Carl,how does the "Flowers and Showers" theme fit with the dances of
the evening?

Best,
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In a message dated 4/25/01 12:18:02 AM, lindan-AT-
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<< So, my own personal list of criteria for unenjoyable dances:
      *Too fussy, too much teaching time relative to dancing time
      * Too silly (childish rather than childlike)
      * Physically awkward or uncomfortable
      * Boring music
      * An unenjoyable set of fellow dancers

Presumably, good dances would be just the reverse of this.>>

That about hits it on the head for me.  I would add this thought: A good 
dance, as with a great film or great music, gives you more each time you do 
it. There's a depth which you will not be able to sense by reading the 
directions or just playing the music. You still discover something new after 
doing it for the 45th time, even though you may not actually even have liked 
it the first time you did it. 

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Hi, All--

Just back from our final Playford Ball prep session. . . . I have to agree 
with Carl's last remark about growing into certain dances.  I've danced "Up 
With Aily" more times than I can count.  It's not one of my particular 
favorites, but with the right partner, there can be some delicious 
flirtatious glances (as I'm finally starting to figure out!).

Sometimes it takes the right combination of all the things Linda mentioned 
to make a dance "good".  The NY Playford Ball has one of those "fan" dances 
on the program--"The Royal Meeting"--and when we first started learning it, 
the immediate reaction was along the lines of "Who put THIS dorky dance on 
the program?"  But the tune is rather catchy and I'll bet that in the 
context of this Saturday's ball, the levity will provide a welcome respite 
from the "swoony" dances.

Overexposure can also help to dull a dance.  For a time we were doing 
"Elizabeth" almost every week and even THAT began to pall after a while.

Okay.  Enough out of me.  Off to the featherbed ball. . . .
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I wrote:

 >The Internet Movie Database (a very useful resource at
 >www.imdb.com) has listings for neither title...

Sorry. I was entering it as two words. Here's the listing for
Songcatcher:

 |Songcatcher (1999)
 |
 |Directed by
 |Maggie Greenwald
 |
 |Cast (in credits order)
 |Janet McTeer...............Dr. Lily Penleric
 |Mike Harding (II)..........Reese Kinkaid
 |Aidan Quinn................Tom Bledsoe
 |Pat Carroll................Viney Butler
 |Jane Adams (II)............Elna Penleric
 |Greg Cook..................Fate Honeycutt
 |Iris DeMent................Rose Gentry
 |Stephanie Roth Haberle.....Alice Kincaid
 |David Patrick Kelly........Earl Giddens
 |E. Katherine Kerr..........Harriet Tolliver
 |Taj Mahal..................Dexter Speaks
 |Emmy Rossum................Deladis Slocumb
 |Muse Watson................Parley Gentry
 |Erin Blake Clanton.........Polly
 |Andrea Powell..............Josie Mooreu

There are also links to reviews, but no info on the plot.

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On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:11:27 -0400 "Linda M. Nelson" <lindan-AT-
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writes:
> 
> What, in your opinions, makes  an ECD dance *less* fun?  I'm not so 
> much looking for a "love it / hate it" fest... just trying to get at 
> some sense of general principles.  We don't all agree on the 
> criteria 
> for a "good" or "bad" dance.  And i've noticed that the criteria 
> change over time.
> 
> So, my own personal list of criteria for unenjoyable dances:
>       *Too fussy, too much teaching time relative to dancing time
>       * Too silly (childish rather than childlike)
>       * Physically awkward or uncomfortable
>       * Boring music
>       * An unenjoyable set of fellow dancers
> 
> Other opinions?

I agree with your criteria, and would add two more:

1. Dances where the action isn't more or less evenly distributed. That
is, dances where, for example, the head couple does just about everything
and the other couple(s) spend most of their time just standing there. One
good example of this is The Female Sayler. If you're 1s, you've got lots
of fun stuff to do and keep moving almost constantly, but if you're 2s
you spend most of the dance watching the 1s and only get to do one
back-to-back and a quick lead up.

2. "Kitchen sink" dances. This is a term I use to describe dances where
the creator seems to want to cram as many different types of moves as
possible into as little music as possible, without any regard for whether
they fit together logically.  Even good dancers often feel like they need
cheat sheets for these. I can't think of the name, but I remember one
dance that used to be done fairly often in the Baltimore-Washington area
that included circling, poussettes, double figure 8, crossover hey & a
few other moves besides.

Dawn Culbertson
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Yes folks, it's that time again.  All over the Bay Area, teams of Morris dancers will gather in darkness before dawn with their ribbons, bells, streamers, baldrics, instruments, pomp, circumstance, and all around good cheer to wake and dance up the sun on May Day morning, cajoling it to rise for another year.  You too can be part of the tradition and part of the magic of English Morris dancing, a legacy thought to be hundreds of years old.  Join us throughout the land in this wonderful ritual celebration.  Oh, and it's free!

This really works!  The sun *does* come up, doesn't it?  And now you know why!  :-)

There are lots of teams and celebrations all thru the San Francisco Bay Area and beyond.  For more information, schedule, details, and maps to the local May Day morning near you, please see the webpage at http://timelord01.home.sprynet.com/mayday.htm.

These celebrations feature teams associated with the Bay Area Country Dance Society (http://www.bacds.org).

Hope to see you there...

Thanx, Ric Goldman
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<< I agree with your criteria, and would add two more: >>

At the rate we're going, there will be about three English dances that might 
be considered acceptably *fun*.  And for each of us, those *fun* dances will 
be most likely be different.  So I guess we'll have to find the *one* dance 
we can all agree on.  And then dance it to death -- at which point we'll all 
hate it.

Variety is the spice of life, imho.  It's the differences in dances that 
makes the total experience enjoyable.  So, at any given dance, doing one or 
two that aren't my absolute *faves* (though even that changes) can be offset 
by the ones that are.  What I tend to remember is the total evening -- and 
those unexpected highlights when everything *clicks.* 

And as for *an unenjoyable set of fellow dancers* -- what does that mean?   I 
know what it could mean to me.  But wouldn't that also be different for each 
of us?  With that in mind, who would we dance with?  I don't want to sound 
like Pollyanna, but I think it's important to not let that *thought* destroy 
the opportunities to enjoy a dance (speaking from experience).

Suzanne 
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Thank you, Suzanne.  Good thoughts!

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Carl Andersen wrote:

>Country Dancers of Westchester offers its "April Flowers & Showers 
>dance party at 8pm, Friday, April
>27, at the Church in the Highlands on Bryant Ave., White Plains, NY.
>
>The Seattle-based ensemble of Judi Rivkin, caller, and the 
>musicians, "The Tricky Brits," will play for the
>party. The band features Anita Anderson, piano; Dave Bartley, 
>mandolin; Betsy Adamson Cooper, flute; and
>Sande Gillette, fiddle.


Hi Carl!

I just want to encourage folks to come out for the fabulous band 
Tricky Brits (who along with their contra incarnation Bag o'Tricks 
are on their first East Coast tour), and say that if you get a chance 
to attend one of their dances with the wonderful Judi Rivkin, you are 
in for a real treat (as opposed to trick...).  Somehow I rather 
expect that Dave Bartley prevailed in the naming scheme (he's the B 
in KGB and their ECD incarnation, MI5!)

Laurie Buchanan
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>At the rate we're going, there will be about three English dances that might
>be considered acceptably *fun*.

Well, imho, they're ALL fun.  This is a relative rating concept.  I 
find it helpful in choosing a good mix of dances to call, to provide 
maximum enjoyment for everyone present.

>And as for *an unenjoyable set of fellow dancers* -- what does that mean?

Fellow dancers who are habitually late on the phrase, or who 
can't/won't remember the pattern, or who dance only for themselves 
without interacting with the others in the set... that's bad for any 
dance.  On the flipside, dancers who bring a spark of life to a 
dance, who can play with it and give good energy to it can help make 
almost any dance delightful.  This can (and does) include beginners 
as well as experienced dancers.

- Linda
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For those in northern New England, Tricky Brits is also playing an 
English Country Dance in NORWICH VERMONT, next Sunday afternoon, April 29.
More information at: http://thayer.dartmouth.edu/~cgl/localECD/

--- Laurie Buchanan WROTE:
>... 
> I just want to encourage folks to come out for the fabulous band 
> Tricky Brits (who along with their contra incarnation Bag o'Tricks 
> are on their first East Coast tour), and say that if you get a chance 
> to attend one of their dances with the wonderful Judi Rivkin, you are 
> in for a real treat (as opposed to trick...).  Somehow I rather 
> expect that Dave Bartley prevailed in the naming scheme (he's the B 
> in KGB and their ECD incarnation, MI5!)

and, in case it isn't obvious,  he's also the B in 
Bag (Bartley/Anderson/Gillette) o'Tricks. 

> Laurie Buchanan 
> Eugene, OR


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On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Christopher Levey wrote:

> 
> For those in northern New England, Tricky Brits is also playing an 
> English Country Dance in NORWICH VERMONT, next Sunday afternoon, April 29.
> More information at: http://thayer.dartmouth.edu/~cgl/localECD/

Throwing in my $0.02 worth . . .

This past Monday (April 23rd), the Tricky Brits played for our
weekly Monday dance in Amherst, MA.  It was simply wonderful;
I strongly encourage you to attend any event where they'll
be playing.  Judi Rivkin's calling, along with the wonderful
music of the Tricky Brits, made for an incredibly enjoyable
evening.

					--Rob

> 
> --- Laurie Buchanan WROTE:
> >... 
> > I just want to encourage folks to come out for the fabulous band 
> > Tricky Brits (who along with their contra incarnation Bag o'Tricks 
> > are on their first East Coast tour), and say that if you get a chance 
> > to attend one of their dances with the wonderful Judi Rivkin, you are 
> > in for a real treat (as opposed to trick...).  Somehow I rather 
> > expect that Dave Bartley prevailed in the naming scheme (he's the B 
> > in KGB and their ECD incarnation, MI5!)
> 
> and, in case it isn't obvious,  he's also the B in 
> Bag (Bartley/Anderson/Gillette) o'Tricks. 
> 
> > Laurie Buchanan 
> > Eugene, OR
> 
> 
> -- 
> --Chris Levey
>   email: chris.levey-AT-
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>   http://engineering.dartmouth.edu/microengineering/levey.html
> 


						--Rob

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In a message dated 4/25/01 7:01:16 AM, elf-AT-
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>
>>Nilos (who isn't making that cake, either, not with green-dyed coconut,
>not
>>with tiny authentically-costumed color-coordinated marzipan morris dancers,
>>not no way, not nohow)
>
>Well, if she changes her mind, can I have the scraps from the marzipan!

Sorry, Emily.  If I was making such a cake (which I'm not, nope, not me, no 
tiny marzipan bellpads with the smallest size of dragees for bells, 
nosireebob!) I'd need the scraps for the fool's costume.

Nilos
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Dawn Culbertson writes:
> 1. Dances where the action isn't more or less evenly distributed. That
> is, dances where, for example, the head couple does just about everything
> and the other couple(s) spend most of their time just standing there. <

The one exception I can think of off the top of my head is "Trip to Paris."
I believe I danced it for the first time at the 99 Portland Ball, I was a
second-couple person most of the time, and I don't think I've ever laughed
so hard in my life.

Still, maybe those Portland people are just nuts, and it wouldn't be so much
fun in another group.

Marian
San Francisco

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Uh, Nilos.  What's the motif on the back of the vests of the morris dancers
on this cake you're not baking, nosiree, not her, not a chance, never.
Period.

.  (Just reiterating)

:-)

And how many sizes of dragees are available to professional cooks.  I've
never seen more than one and it's too big for bells.

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Dear Ric

...Do you also have hard boiled eggs for breakfast as they do in
Shoreham-on-Sea, UK?

Regards Alan Corkett
........................................................
-----Original Message-----
From: Ric Goldman ...over the Bay Area, teams of Morris dancers will gather
in darkness before dawn with their ribbons, bells, streamers, baldrics,
instruments, pomp, circumstance, and all around good cheer to wake and dance
up the sun on May Day morning, cajoling it to rise for another year. ...











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Since, it's a morris community potluck, we're more likely to get the hard-boiled dancers.  :-)

Ric

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> Dear Ric
> 
> ...Do you also have hard boiled eggs for breakfast as they do in
> Shoreham-on-Sea, UK?
> 
> Regards Alan Corkett
> ........................................................
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ric Goldman ...over the Bay Area, teams of Morris dancers 
> will gather
> in darkness before dawn with their ribbons, bells, streamers, baldrics,
> instruments, pomp, circumstance, and all around good cheer to 
> wake and dance
> up the sun on May Day morning, cajoling it to rise for another year. ...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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In a message dated 4/26/01 7:01:05 AM, elf-AT-
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>Uh, Nilos.  What's the motif on the back of the vests of the morris dancers
>on this cake you're not baking, nosiree, not her, not a chance, never.
>Period.
>
>.  (Just reiterating)
>
>:-)

Why, a teeny tiny white rat, mosaic-ed painstakingly out of individual shreds 
of coconut, of course.  With itty bitty piercings also represented by eensy 
weensy dragees with their miniscule centers drilled out .  When I refuse to 
do something, let it never be said that I refuse to do it in anything less 
than grand style.

>And how many sizes of dragees are available to professional cooks.  I've
>never seen more than one and it's too big for bells.

Boy, talk about off-topic...

I've seen as many as half a dozen sizes at cake-decorating shops or in 
catalogues.  The smallest ones are tiny indeed, and would have to be applied 
with pointy surgical tweezers, which Ms. Stewart would no doubt have us whip 
up in minutes in our backyard foundaries. 

Nilos
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FYI, as part of the UK-AT-
KC celebration, the Kennedy Center has invited the Foggy Bottom Morris Men
to dance at the Millenium Stage at 6 pm on May Day (Tuesday, May 1st).  (UK-AT-
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Small as the specks of candy on nonpareils?

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On Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:53:10 -0700 Marian Phillips <Heyer-AT-
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> Dawn Culbertson writes:
> > 1. Dances where the action isn't more or less evenly distributed. 
> That
> > is, dances where, for example, the head couple does just about 
> everything
> > and the other couple(s) spend most of their time just standing 
> there. <
> 
> The one exception I can think of off the top of my head is "Trip to 
> Paris."
> I believe I danced it for the first time at the 99 Portland Ball, I 
> was a
> second-couple person most of the time, and I don't think I've ever 
> laughed
> so hard in my life.

That's funny--I never thought of Trip to Paris as that kind of dance.
It's true the 2s don't get to take the "trip" the 1s do, but they still
get to do a fair amount, including the whirling crossover in the
beginning. I love the dance, for whatever that's worth, and here in
Baltimore, if I'm a 2, I get a kick out of some of the "trips" the 1s
take.

Dawn Culbertson
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Dawn Culbertson wrote:
 
>I love the dance,(Trip to Paris) for whatever that's worth, and here in
>Baltimore, if I'm a 2, I get a kick out of some of the "trips" the 1s
>take.
>
>Dawn Culbertson

I get a kick too.  Right in the shins.  I'm probalby in the minority here,
but I've gotten hurt so many times doing "Trip to Paris" that I won't call
it or dance it anymore.  (I don't do bumper cars either.)  

I'm not opposed to improvisation, and if the hall is crowded, I'll loop
around the people in the next set over, rather than skip in place.  I like
to cover distance on the "trip" and fill the music with vigorous skipping.
But there is a roadmap for the trip, and for the past ten years or so, most
people have ignored it, moving randomly and at dangerously high speed
around the hall, getting as far from home place as they can in 12 counts,
and then trying to get back to home in the last four counts no matter who
they have to run over or crash into to get there in time. 

I did manage to dance it happily in Vancouver BC last year, where it was
brand new to everyone, so they didn't know that they were supposed to
ignore the roadmap, and everyone just did what the caller told them to!
(Radical notion, that.)  They moved rapidly and joyfully, but since
everyone was going the same way, following the same pattern for the "trip"
no one got hurt. Its actually a lot of fun if you do the dance as written
and I recommend it to all.

Victoria.  
   
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> Dawn Culbertson wrote:
> > I love the dance,(Trip to Paris) for whatever that's worth,
> > and here in Baltimore, if I'm a 2, I get a kick out of some
> > of the "trips" the 1s take.
> >
> >Dawn Culbertson

--- paul/victoria bestock <bestockp-AT-
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> I get a kick too.  Right in the shins.  I'm probalby in the
> minority here, but I've gotten hurt so many times doing "Trip
> to Paris" that I won't call it or dance it anymore.  (I don't
> do bumper cars either.)  
> 
> I'm not opposed to improvisation, and if the hall is crowded,
> I'll loop around the people in the next set over, rather than
> skip in place.  I like to cover distance on the "trip" and
fill
> the music with vigorous skipping. But there is a roadmap for
> the trip, and for the past ten years or so, most people have
> ignored it, moving randomly and at dangerously high speed
> around the hall, getting as far from home place as they can in
> 12 counts, and then trying to get back to home in the last
four
> counts no matter who they have to run over or crash into to
get
> there in time. 
> 

Actually, this behavior isn't really new to the last ten years,
I've been doing this dance for well over thirty years and there
were "old-timers" in New York who used to skip all over the
place when I first started dancing in places other than home
(which at that time was the suburbs of Washington DC). The place
I started dancing somewhat restricted wild skipping because the
space wasn't there, but we (mostly high-schoolers) used to try
to see how many turns we could do on the set-&-cross with our
partner.

When I was in 9th grade there was a fellow in my class who had
lived in Paris and I remember him telling me one time that there
is no such thing as going around the block in Paris. If you miss
a turn, you can't just turn at the next intersection and get
back where you meant to go. The roads curve around to much to
actually get back. Maybe this way of dancing "Trip to Paris" is
unwittingly reflective of the pell-mell direction of Paris
streets.

Andy in Portland

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--- Ric Goldman <timelord01-AT-
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> Yes folks, it's that time again.  All over the Bay Area, teams
> of Morris dancers will gather in darkness before dawn with
> their ribbons, bells, streamers, baldrics, instruments, pomp,
> circumstance, and all around good cheer to wake and dance up
> the sun on May Day morning, cajoling it to rise for another
> year.  You too can be part of the tradition and part of the
> magic of English Morris dancing, a legacy thought to be
> hundreds of years old.  Join us throughout the land in this
> wonderful ritual celebration.  Oh, and it's free!
> 
> This really works!  The sun *does* come up, doesn't it?  And
> now you know why!  :-)

I remember a May Day morning outing with the Westerly Morris Men
many years ago. We danced on the campus of Connecticut College,
(Squire Peter Leibert was head of the art department) and woke
up the college president dancing outside his house as the sun
came up. I'm sure we would not have gotten the same good-humored
reception across the street at the Coast Guard Academy.

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Welcome to Gene Murrow and Colin Hume who jointly present a weekend of dancing at Halsway Manor, Somerset, UK. 27th to 29th April, 2001. Also welcome to Knotted Chord Band who return to provide the music after a gap of several years.

I believe this residential event is fairly full now, but if you are in the area and wish to meet these great callers and see them in action, do call in.  It is rare to witness such an amazing display of callers in the West Country.  Also see www.halswaymanor.co.uk for other events at Halsway Manor.
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>Welcome to Gene Murrow and Colin Hume 
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29th April, 2001. Also welcome to Knotted Chord Band who return to provide the 
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>I believe this residential event is 
fairly full now, but if you are in the area and wish to meet these great callers 
and see them in action, do call in.&nbsp; It is rare to witness such an amazing 
display of callers in the West Country.&nbsp; Also see <A 
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  . . . er, make that dancing room only.

A few choice spots are still available for English country dancers at the 
15th Annual Washington Spring Ball on May 5th in Silver Spring, MD (suburban 
DC).

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Roger, Thanks for the notice, but I can't attend the ball, unfortunately,
as I am having a lot of company next weekend. Will be thinking of you!
Lois
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Hi-
There are a lot of ways to have fun in Trip to Paris without hurting
anyone.
A couple of suggestions:
>Instead of going as far as possible, see if you can sneak in a 1 1/2
gypsy 
below the twos before returning. 
>(with thanks to Gene Murrow) If you MUST cover ground, pass everyone-
moving or still- by the right.

Any other ideas?
Martha
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From the musicologists:


The 2001 Gloucester International Festival of Pipe and Tabor
Gloucester, UK

8th - 10th June 2001

www.taborers.co.uk/gipatf

CALL FOR PAPERS

On invitation of The Taborers' Society
I would like to call for papers and posters for the

         2nd International Symposium
                      on
                 Pipe and Tabor

to be held in Gloucester on 10th June, 2001.

Papers and posters are invited covering:
- the history of the pipe and tabor
- the development of the pipe and tabor
- the music of the pipe and tabor
- pipe and percussion instruments

Please send the abstracts (max. 1000 words) to us either on disk or via
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    Topic
    Title of the paper
    oral or poster presentation
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to Ken Hamilton
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or by post to
Ken Hamilton
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Deadline is 11th May, 2001.

Preliminary Program

8th June        Tour of the Cotswolds
9th June        Pipe and tabor workshops
                Pipe and tabor playing around the streets of Gloucester
                Taborer's concert
                Conference dinner and ceilidh
10th June       Symposium Session

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This message is somewhat off-topic, for which transgression I apologetically 
grovel at the collective virtual feet of this email list. Still, here goes.

Can anyone point me towards some sources on the American square dance (and 
other styles) movement/ revival, with specific regard to its roots in 
American nationalism? Of course, here I sit, a relatively short drive from 
Dearborn and Henry Ford territory...

thanks for any assistance
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On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Stephen D. Corrsin wrote:

> Can anyone point me towards some sources on the American square dance (and 
> other styles) movement/ revival, with specific regard to its roots in 
> American nationalism? Of course, here I sit, a relatively short drive from 
> Dearborn and Henry Ford territory...

Perhaps the Lloyd Shaw folks?  Have you tried tehm?

Eric

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Of probable interest to some members of this list.

thanks
Steve Corrsin


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"Step Change", a collection of papers by leading English and American 
researchers on
traditional dance published by Francis Boutle will be launched at Hastings 
Jack in the Green Festival on the 6th May. (For pre-publication publicity 
see www.francisboutle.demon.co.uk )

The papers in Step Change are aimed at interested dancers rather than 
specialist academics and are intended to give a snapshot of the changes that 
have taken place in research on traditional dance.  The book as a whole 
includes a wealth of new material to interest  anyone who wants to find out 
more about the dances they enjoy doing.  Individual contributions reflect 
the concerns of a generation of researchers who have been prepared to 
challenge conventional thinking, and - more importantly - put in the work to 
support their changed priorities and innovations.  Stephen Corrsin and Keith 
Chandler's papers replace the vague generalities of traditions rooted in 
pagan fertility rituals with detailed historical documentation (Keith 
Chandler's paper has already been nominated for a local history award).  
Elaine Bradtke and Caroline Radcliffe's works extend the boundaries of 
scholarship into
forms of dance previously dismissed as 'popular' or 'degenerate' - revealing 
the interaction of tradition and innovation that characterises all living 
traditions.  Theresa Buckland and Keith Chandler answer the question "Who 
were the Folk" with information on real lives and attitudes among people who 
were and are, just like ourselves.  And whilst the research presented by 
Allison Thompson and Georgina Boyes deals directly with the development of 
the Folk Dance Revival, the papers by Stephen Corrsin, Elaine Bradtke and 
Theresa Buckland all reflect the way the existence of a Folk Dance Revival 
has affected the ideas about traditional dances.

Steve Corrsin and Georgina Boyes' papers are also likely to be 
controversial.  They highlight the influence of Nazi scholarship and 
ideology on English dance and dancers and suggest that some aspects of the 
Folk Dance Revival are far less innocent than they seem.

The papers are listed below - we hope the new ideas and approaches 
illustrated in Step Change are as stimulating as the traditional dances they 
describe and as interesting as the people who have - and continue - to dance 
them.


Stephen D Corrsin, "English Sword Dancing and the European Context"

Theresa Buckland, "'In a Word We Are Unique': Ownership and control in an
English dance custom."

Elaine Bradtke, "Molly Dancing: A Study of Discontinuity and Change"

Caroline Ratcliffe, "The Ladies' Clog Dancing Contest of 1898"

Keith Chandler, "'A Very Celebrated Banbury Character' - Reconstructing
Working Class Biography: the Case of William 'Old Mettle' Castle."

Allison Thompson, "Meeting the Prophet: Cecil Sharp and the English Folk
Revival as seen by Elsie J. Oxenham"

Georgina Boyes, "'The lady that is with you': Maud Karpeles and the English 
Folk Revival"



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--- "Stephen D. Corrsin" <corrsin1-AT-
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> This message is somewhat off-topic, for which transgression I
> apologetically 
> grovel at the collective virtual feet of this email list.
> Still, here goes.
> 
Thirty Lashes with a wet Morris hankie.

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Steve,

Check with Jerry Epstein. He spearheaded the conference in Brooklyn on 100 
Years of the Folk Revival last year, and I believe had some material related 
to that subject.

Margherita Davis

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This message is somewhat off-topic, for which transgression I apologetically
grovel at the collective virtual feet of this email list. Still, here goes.

Can anyone point me towards some sources on the American square dance (and
other styles) movement/ revival, with specific regard to its roots in
American nationalism? Of course, here I sit, a relatively short drive from
Dearborn and Henry Ford territory...

thanks for any assistance
Steve Corrsin
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 Nicolas wrote (not intended for us, but since he sent it to us by mistake,
we get to comment)  

 the standard of dancing here is 
>absolutely woefully abysmal compared with that found in lots of areas in the 
>States! I must, however, qualify that by saying that we found last summer
the 
>dancers in the Boston Centre dance which I ran to be unadaptable, unwilling 
>to do anything but walk (I called to them several times during a particular 
>dance "the Composer of this dance specifies a double step here - please do 
>it" - but I might have been calling out to a hall full of deaf mutes! 

Or to a hall full of Americans.  They may simply not have known what you
were talking about.  If you want people to "double-step" or "dance" on this
side of the pond, tell them to "skip-change."   

> We also were deafened by the scuffing of the feet when 
>dancing there, and I commented on it, to no avail again. 

This is a problem all over these days.  The style of ECd I learned in
Boston 35 years ago had a lot of spring which took the dancers off the
ground and eliminated scuffing.  The basic "walk" had bounce, and came down
onto the ball of the foot, easing into the ground toe-heel-kneebend.  The
step sprung right up again, the center of gravity so high that the foot
released from the ground without noise.   People dance more flat-footed
now, lead each step heel-toe, and their whole center of gravity is much
lower so that the feet drag on the floor between steps. The resulting foot
noise is terribly distracting when there is great music getting drowned
out.   

Its hard to call attention to something you don't like in a way that gets
people striving (because it will take some effort to undo years of bad
habits) to do better.  Dick Crum (Balkan expert) asks for "no shushing" and
demonstrates the dance style he wants with elfin lightness that makes
people yearn to dance just like that.  Someone, probably Bruce Hamilton,
said "here's the sound I want" and "demonstrated" the  A section by
standing still and letting people listen to the silence.  After the
laughter, everyone tried to move more quietly.  And Nan Evans made a
passionate plea for waltzing without the foot noise so we could hear the
divine music, and was so eloquent that 100 people danced silently through
the whole waltz, and maybe for a few dances thereafter. 
 
> My wife and I had 
>long discussions about it all afterwards and one of the conclusions we 
>reached was that it had to do with the style of music which has been 
>available there for the last twenty or so years.

Interesting.  How does the music increase the foot noise?  The only Boston
Band I know is Bare Necessities, and they play to-die-for lyric stuff that
I would think would inspire the world to be quiet and listen, and
high-energy bounceful stuff, that lifts everyone out of the ground so there
is no floor contact to make noise.  

Maybe it has to do with the aging crowd. It takes strength to be quiet.  I
found this out after I broke a bone in my foot.  I was in a cast for three
months and the bone didn't actually knit for over a year.  During the time
when the muscles were weakened I didn't have the control to move slowly and
connectedly, or to land from the air on the weak foot, I had to dance
flat-footed and maintain floor contact all the time. Because it was too
painful to rise onto the ball of the foot, my center of gravity was a few
inches lower than usual, and it was hard to dance quietly or smoothly. As I
regained strengh I was able to lift out of the ground, and use my arch
muscles to control bounce and eliminate noise. 

> Interestingly enough, during the course of four tours in the USA ('91, 
>'94, '95 and '2000) the consistently best style of dance I found was at
Berea 
>in Kentucky. There the dancing seemed to be vigorous, varied in pace, 
>technically good, happy and relaxed, enjoyed without studied mannerisms
(such 
>as the rather intense eyeballing one meets in some places over that side of 
>the pond) 

Over here eye contact is not a studied mannerism, but a normal way that
people connect to each other during the dance.  If someone DOESN"T make eye
contact, we assume they don't like us, don't want to dance with us, aren't
having fun, or are beginners who are too busy thinking about the formations
to notice that there are actual human beings smiling at them from across
the set. I found the LACK of eye contact very disconcerting when I danced
in England some years ago.

Victoria Bestock

   
 
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Nicolas Broadbridge wrote:
"...without studied mannerisms (such as the rather intense eyeballing one
meets in some places over that side of the pond)...."

To which Victoria Bestock replied:
"Over here eye contact is not a studied mannerism, but a normal way that
people connect to each other during the dance.  If someone DOESN"T make eye
contact, we assume they don't like us, don't want to dance with us, aren't
having fun, or are beginners who are too busy thinking about the formations
to notice that there are actual human beings smiling at them from across the
set. I found the LACK of eye contact very disconcerting when I danced in
England some years ago."

I didn't interpret Nicolas' comment as saying that eye contact is a studied
mannerism, but rather that *intense* eyeballing is the studied mannerism.  I
would agree that there are many dancers who make relentless and invasive eye
contact, not understanding the difference between that and a gracious
meeting of countenances.

Pat

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--- paul/victoria bestock <bestockp-AT-
oz.net> wrote:
>  Nicolas wrote 
> >dancers in the Boston Centre dance which I ran to be
> >unadaptable, unwilling to do anything but walk....We
> >also were deafened by the scuffing of the feet when 
> >dancing there, and I commented on it, to no avail again.
> [Vicki again:]
> Maybe it has to do with the aging crowd. It takes
> strength to be quiet.

There is the issue of an aging crowd here, and sometimes
even those of us who are still middle-aged have health
problems that prevent much skipping. It's hard to do when
you are severely anemic, for example, as I was for several
years. I know of a number of bum knees and feet that make
lively dancing difficult. However, one can still be UP and
light on one's feet, even if one isn't skipping. One can
still move with grace and an awareness of the musical
phrase and the beat of the music. Sometimes I wonder if
people are listening.

The scuffing of feet here in Boston is amplified by the
absolutely awful acoustics in our hall. 

Vicki, replying to Nicolas:
> Over here eye contact is not a studied mannerism, but a
> normal way that people connect to each other during the
> dance.  If someone DOESN"T make eye contact, we assume
> they don't like us, don't want to dance with us, aren't
> having fun....

Once at Pinewoods many years ago, during the evening party,
a man who was known for his solemn expression and lack of
eye contact actually LOOKED at his partner and smiled. Word
travelled at lightning speed up and down the length of the
longways--such an event!

--Lyrl



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