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Friends,

While I wholeheartedly applaud any and all efforts made by organizers of
regular (especially weekly) dances towards the ongoing improvement of dancing,
teaching, and community spirit (as, for example, CD*NY’s laudable new
campaign), I believe it is unreasonable to expect a rapturous experience every
week at one’s local dance.  It is in our natures to respond with rapture to
that which is rare and new, and to become habituated to the familiar.  If
English Week at Pinewoods were steady fare, even that would pall:  it is
exactly the rare pleasures of it that make the experience transforming.

Let us examine the case of Mr. CH and Ms. RH, who both attended the same
conference in London last weekend, yet whose personal experiences of the event
(if their own accounts are to be believed) differed radically and
qualitatively.

CH resides near London, and teaches weekly at the very venue at which the
conference was held.  As far as we can tell, he encountered no new people nor
new ideas that impressed him, treading these familiar paths.  (We all know
what familiarity breeds...)  The tone of his account is jaded and skeptical.
True, that may well be a characteristic idiosyncrasy of his tone; far be it
from ME to draw such a conclusion based solely on this particular sample.

RH resides...let us just say that she resides FAR from London, and that this
was in fact her first visit there.  She reports that the weather was splendid,
and that the fruit trees were in bloom along the streets and in the garden at
Cecil Sharp House.  She was awed and thrilled to be there, and entered the
House on Saturday morning with beating heart.  There,  milling about in the
throng, was an astonishing gathering of luminaries of the English Country
Dance (and Historical Dance) world:  her companion (the redoubtable world
traveler Ms. SG) pointed out (just to name a few) Nicolas Broadbridge, Jeremy
Barlowe, Andrew Shaw, Marjorie Fennessy, Julia Sutton, Philippe Callens, Kitty
and Bob Keller, and of course the ubiquitous Mr. CH; she was also, in the
course of the weekend, to meet (or glimpse) various officers of EFDSS (her
colleagues, in a sense, from overseas) -- Brenda Godrich,  Rachel Taylor,
Diana Jewitt, Tim Walker, and Malcolm Taylor -- as well as friends from the
ECD List, until then only names, including Michael Barraclough (who gallantly
escorted RH and SG back to Islington after Saturday’s Ball, saving them an
epic midnight  journey on the Tube), Graham and Wendy Knight (the Lieutenants
of Lunch), Bob Lilley (author of the dance Fast Packet), Derek Schofield,
Ellis Rogers, and Americans Charlene Charette, Ken McFarland, Mary Kay
Schladweiler -- you get the idea.   There were also many (surprisingly many)
old friends, including Peter Ogle and Rachel Winslow of Philadelphia, Jody
McGeen of Menlo Park, CA, Neil Kelley of Little Rock, AR, and of course Gene
and Susan Murrow of Westchester, NY (currently conquering the UK and the
Lowlands).

As you know, the conference was *organized* by the Dolmetsch Historical Dance
Society, and *hosted* by the English Folk Dance & Song Society, thus bringing
together scholars and practitioners, recontructionists and innovators,
historians and ardent traditionalists.  What follows is the (admittedly
breathless and starry-eyed) account of our subject, plainly not yet inured by
habituation:

RH:  I had wondered whether there would be tension between these various
factions, the historical dancers mildly contemptuous of the blithe imprecision
of ECD in modern folk practice, the country dancers defensively mocking the
finicky Baroque affectations of the Dolmetsch delegates; in fact, there was a
wonderful openness evident everywhere -- in the rapt attention of the audience
during the presentation of papers from all perspectives, for instance, and in
the marvelous mixing of folk and historical styles during the Playford Ball
(folk dancers gamely following the lead of Baroque dancers, and trying out
fleurets, balancees, the pas de bourree and the minuet; historical dancers
cheerfully skipping and slipping where skipping and slipping are Done).  The
Ball attendees were by and large GLORIOUSLY attired -- the historical dancers
in painstakingly accurate historical dress; many EFDSS dancers in “Playford”
costume (Mr. CH was *resplendent* in purple, with plumed chapeau).  The music,
by Jeremy Barlowe’s Broadside Band, was sublime, despite breakdowns in
communication between callers and a band not accustomed to playing for
dancing.

I’m sure you’re all wondering:  DID THEY SWITCH PARTNERS?!  This was a
question of grave concern among the not inconsiderable group of American women
(and, it follows, for Peter Ogle and Ken McFarland who might well have found
themselves relentlessly mobbed).  I’m happy to report that Anne Daye, Chairman
of the Dolmetsch Society and the evening’s Emcee, announced after the first
dance, “In the interests of historical accuracy, we’d like to encourage you to
take a new partner for each dance.”  Many thanks to Anne, and to the generous
spirit with which the EFDSS dancers complied.

The band for the Sunday afternoon tea dance, the closing event, was the
popular accordion-driven Orange & Blue; besides accordion I recollect two
fiddles, electric guitar, and electric bass, a combination which lends itself
to a raucous, dancy rumpety-tumpety reminiscent of Scottish Country Dance
bands.  As the dance progressed I was increasing curious about how Orange &
Blue would render the dances on Gene Murrow’s planned list, especially Orly
Krasner’s “When Laura Smiles,” which is set to the Philip Rosseter lute song.
As it turned out, the band rose to the occasion, offering a sweet, restrained
rendition, to which the dancers responded with corresponding sensitivity; this
was followed by thrillingly energetic versions of “Albany Assembly” (dance by
Victor Skowronski to tune by Susato) and “The Homecoming” (dance by Gary
Roodman to tune by Jonathan Jensen).  Gene acquitted himself admirably in his
debut at Cecil Sharp House; there was a moment during the teaching of the
chorus for Albany Assembly when I thought a riot might break out, but Gene
kept his cool, and the feeling of triumph on the floor when the dance was
mastered was palpable.  These choreographers had figured (as it were) in
Gene’s talk scant hours before, and I happily report that the dances were
received enthusiastically.

* * * * *

This analysis has grown excessively long, and I believe I have made my point.


Robin Hayden
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Robin wrote:
"The band for the Sunday afternoon tea dance, the closing event, was the
popular accordion-driven Orange & Blue; besides accordion I recollect two
fiddles, electric guitar, and electric bass, a combination which lends
itself to a raucous, dancy rumpety-tumpety reminiscent of Scottish Country
Dance bands."

Make that *some* SCD bands.  Equally popular, at least in the U.S., are the
fiddle bands: fiddle and piano, with any or all of the following: flute,
concertina, viola, cello, bass.  All acoustic.  No accordions.  No
rumpety-tumpety.  Ask Earl Gaddis.

If you want a rapturous experience, listen to the strathspey tune "Earl of
Northampton" played by Earl, Laura Risk (fiddle), and Karen Axelrod (piano).
Better yet, dance to it.

(Relevant ECD content: besides Earl, many of our favorite ECD musicians also
play SCD.)


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Colin Hume wrote:
> I heard someone say to a group of beginners "All English is 
> slow and gentle".

Oh, it nearly drives me mad when I hear that. I first
learned ECD as a very lively and energetic dance form. I
point to pictures in the front and back of Keller and
Shimer's book "The Playford Ball", pictures of Sharp's
demonstration sets in 1922, and movies of the same, and I
say, that is what ECD can be, and what I want it to be.

> What you have done in the States is take a very narrow selection 
> of dance styles and say "That's what we mean by English". 

Too true. But it is more than just the selection of dances,
it is the narrow manner in which they presented. A "standard
speed" The same dance and tune can have completely different
feel if presented at different sppe and with different
styling  and the use or lack or stepping. Let's put some
enertg into it sometimes. 

> Of course the beautiful triple-time dances are part of English, 
> but there's so much more to it than that.  I don't want to do 
> rants all evening, but neither do I want to drift around all 
> evening.  There's surely room for many different styles and speeds.

Here here!

cheers,
Howard  
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Charmed by the Milton reference; often, especially when I'm teaching something
like "Knives and Forks," I will comfort the twos by reminding them that
Milton--a writer from Playford's time, certainly, tho' not of his politics--says
"They also serve, who only stand and wait..."
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<< now I'll let you all go back to discussing ECD..... >>

or, possibly, unscussing?

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<< So -- keep on dancing, even if you _are_ ageing!  Beats the alternative! >>

Hey Eric, I'll drink to that!

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>Robin wrote:
>a raucous, dancy rumpety-tumpety reminiscent of Scottish Country
>Dance bands."
>
>Make that *some* SCD bands.  Equally popular, at least in the U.S., are the
>fiddle bands: 

You are lucky.
Unfortunately, Robin's remark about SCD bands tends to be true in GB,
though I would ascribe the racousness to an excess of percussion, rather
than to accordeons -- which can sound very pleasant; it depends largely on
how they are tuned (as we learned recently on the SCD list, if you
remember, Pat).



Martin,
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Delightful application!

Some years ago I used a variant in another dance where the 2s only moved up
and down while the 1s cast, etc., and I wanted the 2s to understand that,
although they shouldn't make a big show of moving up and down, they were
nonetheless *dancing* ---

"They also dance who only move up and down."

Pat

Graham wrote:
<Charmed by the Milton reference; often, especially when I'm teaching
something like "Knives and Forks," I will comfort the twos by reminding them
that Milton--a writer from Playford's time, certainly, tho' not of his
politics--says "They also serve, who only stand and wait...">


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Martin wrote:
"...though I would ascribe the racousness to an excess of percussion, rather
than to accordeons -- which can sound very pleasant; it depends largely on
how they are tuned (as we learned recently on the SCD list, if you remember,
Pat)."

I certainly do!  I would say to ECDers that if you want to hear lively, but
non-rumpety-tumpety, SCD music played on the accordion, listen to the _Jig
for Joy_ CD by the Music Makars (piano accordion, fiddle, piano). Very
musical, indeed.

Pat

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This is for Robin.  Robin, your note on the Psychology of Rapture reminded me 
of something I wrote for our local ECD newsletter, Stepnotes, a while back.  
Thought you'd enjoy reading it.  Best, Linda

    WHAT KEEPS 'EM COMING or THE JOY OF SETS by LINDA WOLFE

    If you're anything like me, your experience of English country dancing 
goes like this:  
    1) You fall in love with it on your very first date (in my observation, 
people who don't generally don't return; it takes love at first step to 
counterbalance those initial night difficulties and embarrassments).  
    2)  You go through a period (it can be mercifully short or distressingly 
long) in which you're courting it and it's resisting you -- you're in love 
but it's not going to give up its heart so easily.  You feel awkward and 
puerile.  You go through the motions, but you're getting less joy out of sets 
than others seem to be getting.  Still, the usual lover's instinct, the 
desire for conquest, for gaining mastery over the love object by forcing it 
to yield its secrets, keeps you returning.  
    3) You are finally a pretty good dancer.  Your initial feeling of love 
has been reciprocated.  English country dancing has succumbed, is yours, and 
your relationship to it is  ecstatic, so delicious that you wish you and it 
never had to spend a night apart.  
    4) You're still happy in your love but, given the perverseness of human 
nature, something has begun to nag at you:  this won't last, you tell 
yourself, it can't last, there's no way.  
    I reached that stage a couple of years ago and as soon as I did I began 
dreading what I thought would be inevitable:  the end of the affair.  I mean, 
after all, I'd once been a passionate contra dancer and I'd lost my interest 
in contra; I'd once been an ardent French cook and now I'd rather order out; 
I'd once been hot for painting, poetry, jogging, you name it, and all those 
passions had faded.  Why should this latest love of mine, no matter that for 
years it had seemed greater than all the others, continue?  
    The end was in sight, I figured.  Boredom would soon set in.  And given 
not just the perverseness of human nature but the human tendency to reject 
before one is rejected, I might have parted company with English country 
dancing before the passion showed signs of turning stale except for one thing 
-- I noticed that all around me there were people who'd been doing English 
dance for years and years and yet were apparently still ardently in love with 
it.  What keeps them coming? I wondered.  How come they haven't grown bored?  
    
    So I began interviewing some of them.  And here are some of the things I 
learned about keeping English dancing fresh -- about keeping one's love 
alive, so to speak.  
    Al Blank, who's been doing English country dancing for more than thirty 
years, said, "The love is different every few years.  At first, you come 
because of the music.  Then, because you're learning the dances.  Then, 
because you're trying to master them.  For me, in the past few years, what 
keeps my enthusiasm high has been the challenge I set myself:  Can I teach a 
beginner without saying any words?  Can I do it just with my eyes, or a touch 
on the hand?"
    Paul Ross, who's been doing English country dancing for more than twenty 
years, says, "What keeps English dancing fresh?  You might just as well ask 
what makes people listen to a Beethoven sonata over and over again throughout 
a lifetime?"   But he admits that once people have mastered the steps and 
patterns they may feel a lessening of intensity about English dancing unless 
they learn to approach it in a different way.  In his case, he has found, 
"Once you learn to dance well, something else sets in.  You become fascinated 
on an intellectual level: you start to appreciate the patterns and the way 
the steps fit the music, and to revel in the choreography of the various 
people who have set the dances."  
    Sally Denmead, who's been dancing since 1989, says, "What keeps English 
dancing fresh is that you never know what's going to happen.  You may know 
the dances, the music, even all your partners, but something different 
happens each time based on the combinations of those things.  In that 
respect, English country dancing is like a performance.  And no two 
performances are ever the same."  
    Sharon Green, who's been dancing since 1988, says, "It's the newness of 
things.  You may think you know all the dances, but there are always new 
dances being written.  You may think you know all the dancers, but there are 
always new people.  Plus there are new places -- on a personal note, English 
dancing has given me the chance to see the world, to travel to distant places 
and get to know dancers there.   But should all of this pale, English dancing 
has still another thing going for it -- the possibility of developing oneself 
in new areas, areas related to dance."  She cites the case of Michael Siemon, 
who has taken up the concertina, and of Marty Fager, who has taken up 
choreography.  "And my own case," she says, "my deciding to become a caller."
      Teaching with your eyes.  Learning to appreciate the dances 
intellectually.  Pretending you're giving a performance.  Taking up the 
concertina.  Choreography.  Calling.  Gimme a break, you may say.  Gimme back 
those early nights of ecstasy.  But hey, I guess staying in love with English 
dancing is like staying in love in one of those longterm happy marriages.  
The initial transcendance goes.  But something else takes over -- something 
different but, according to these longtime happy dancers, something equally 
good.
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Pat wrote:
> I would say to ECDers that if you want to hear lively, but
>non-rumpety-tumpety, SCD music played on the accordion, listen to the _Jig
>for Joy_ CD by the Music Makars 

Yes, indeed.
Though my top favorites by far are Sylvia Miskoe's 'Tartan Capers' &
'Kitchen Capers'. Make you want to dance & sing too.

Funny how the N Americans seem to be doing better than the Brits ... (with
certain exceptions, of course, Nic !)


Martin,
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Patricia,

>>a raucous, dancy rumpety-tumpety reminiscent of Scottish    >>Country Dance 
bands.

>Make that *some* SCD bands.

Absolutely!  Mine was a gross generalization, and I should have made that 
qualification.  However, I'll bet it did serve its function in summoning a 
particular audio image.

Robin "my first love was SCD [and then it turned around and bit me in the 
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Visit Woodstock, NY and dance at the Spring Fling
An afternoon (1 to 6PM) and evening (7:30 to 11:30 PM) of ECD at the Woodstock Community Center, Rock City Road

Callers include: Gary Roodman, Sharon Green, Don Bell, Barbara Kidney, Nancy Yule and Loretta Holz
Bands include: Flying Romanos and King's Delight.

Very enjoyable day of dancing with predominately experienced dancers.  
All proceeds benefit the Dance Flurry and 1st Ulster Militia Colonial Re-Enactors

For further information call 845-496-2678 - Barbara Kidney 
Admission $12 daytime; $10 evening; $20 entire event
Volunteers needed (receive free or reduced admission)

Loretta Holz
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>An afternoon (1 to 6PM) and evening (7:30 to 11:30 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Callers include: Gary Roodman, Sharon Green, Don 
Bell, Barbara Kidney, Nancy Yule and Loretta Holz</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bands include: Flying Romanos and King's 
Delight.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Very enjoyable day of dancing&nbsp;with 
predominately experienced dancers.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>All proceeds benefit the Dance Flurry and 1st 
Ulster Militia Colonial Re-Enactors</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>For further information call 845-496-2678 - Barbara 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Admission $12 daytime; $10 evening; $20 entire 
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Robin wrote:

"I'll bet it did serve its function in summoning a particular audio image."

Too true!

She continued: "my first love was SCD [and then it turned around and bit me
in the
knees]"

Too sad!

Many of us dance with (or despite) plantar fasciitis, bad knees, bad backs.
We may not wear ghillies, or have the best "turnout," but great posture and
a big smile compensate.  I wouldn't presume to urge you to go against your
best interests, just wanted to let you know that there's a place for less
than perfect dancers (there'd better be, or the SCD community would be
awfully small).

Pat

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Martin,

A brave statement that could only be made by someone not living in in UK or
USA!! Waht evidenece do you have to support it?

John MeechaN


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>
> Funny how the N Americans seem to be doing better than the Brits ... (with
> certain exceptions, of course, Nic !)
>
>
> Martin,
>  in Grenoble, France.
>
>  http://perso.wanadoo.fr/scots.in.france/scd.htm
>               (dance groups,  events,  some new dances ...)
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I love this discussion!

Thanks to Scott for raising it, to Robin for the obvious-once-you-see-it
observation about familiarity breeding contempt, to Linda for the "Joy of
Sets" article, to Anne for mentioning "peaks and valleys" (each beautiful in
its own way, and each owing its existence to the other) and to Elke Baker
last weekend, for making a short evening of exclusively simple dances so
full of variety that I am still replaying it in my head.

Linda could also have asked what keeps callers and musicians fresh. I have
sure felt the familiarity trap: every Monday night, get out the materials to
plan Wednesday's dance. Sit in the same place at the table, scan through the
same books looking for something new. Even the act of looking for something
new gets old! I was reduced to looking from back to front in alternate
weeks. I hear the same problem in comments like "to inject some variety,
we've made every 4th Saturday a dance where ..."

If you're lucky, every now and then you get the urge to weave a cocoon. I
remember standing in the laundromat and talking on the pay phone to Alisa
Dodson when she invited me to teach at Mendocino. I told her I didn't want
to do the same old thing, but I didn't know what I did want. That was
"Through the Ceiling" wanting to come out. And she, bless her heart, not
only accepted that, but made a place in the program where "not the same old
thing" would fit!

The opposite also happens. I got an invitation for a workshop this summer
that really unlocked the creative juices. I couldn't stop planning it -- at
work, in the car, in the shower, in my sleep -- and for weeks I got ideas
faster than I could write them down.  Then, as the details of the schedule
fell into place it became clear that the only class that would work was an
absolutely standard one. I can do that, but my spirit sinks. I see myself
sitting in the same place at the table, scanning through the same books...

I guess organizers have the same problem! Camp is coming up. Sigh, gotta lay
out those 75-minute slots, rotate the teachers through, put this here and
that there, ...  What do *you* do to stay fresh?

  -Bruce

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Another manifestation of the wonders of this list!  Where else could one
find Milton identified by reference to Playford?

Mike Franch

On Mon, 02 Apr 2001 10:39:14 -0400 Graham.Christian-AT-
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> . . . Milton--a writer from Playford's time, . . .
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At 17:23 03/04/01 +0100, you wrote:

about my > brave statement that could only be made by someone 
>not living in UK or USA!! 
>Waht evidenece do you have to support it?

Subjective (rather than musicological) reactions to the recordings I have
bought -- and I have a large collection -- do not constitute evidence, I
agree. But the contentment of the dancers is what counts, n'est-ce pas.

I have noticed that every time I have introduced a new dance to my groups
locally, their appreciation of the dance is in direct relation to the style
of music on the recording I used. The more the different instruments stand
out, the better. Unless the dance has some particularly disitinctive
figure, it will be quickly forgotten if it has been danced ot
run-of-the-mill SCD music from GB.
Recordings from USA always get a favorable response ("Can we do that dance
we did last week with the nice music?")  I attribute this to the use of
harmonic variations, highlighting different instruments, and the avoidance
of monotonous percussion.
The more melodious ECD recordings seem to be well liked too, in spite of
the fact that a number of my dancers express a marked preference for
Scottish dances (we do a mixture, for the sake of variety).
 

Martin,
 in Grenoble, France.

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Members of the ECD are invited by the RingMaster, playforddancer, to add
your web sites
to the Yahoo! WebRing called The Playford Ring.
On Yahoo! WebRing, similar sites are grouped together in Rings and each
site is
linked to another by a simple navigation bar. Rings are created and
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Rochester is hosting a Playford Ball on Saturday, May 5, 2001. We've booked 
one of our favorite bands, Spare Parts, to play for us. Versatile musicians 
Bill Matthiesen and Liz Stell play for contras, English dances, and 
Victorian ballroom dances (among other things) throughout the North East. 
Their 'spare part' for this occasion will be incredible fiddler Frank 
Orsini. Calling will be shared by Pamela Goddard and Richard Sauvain.

There will be an afternoon practice before the Ball, and a catered dinner 
in between. The Ball will be held in the newly refurbished auditorium at 
the Visual Studies Workshop, 31 Prince Street, a gorgeous room with a great 
wood floor and excellent acoustics.

For more information, see www.ggw.org/cdr/english.html, or e-mail 
sauvain-AT-
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-- Richard

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Now back from a week away ending with a fine time at the Bay Area Playford Ball
and having digested the various discussions...

As a dancer I come for the interweaving of music, movement, people - the same
dance is never the same twice. I don't mind spending time in a workshop 'not
dancing' if the pay-off is there (a fabulous dance, a new way of looking at a
figure, a new fun figure, playing with the timing...) but I don't like it if
it's just a super complicated intellectual excersize or lots of words walking
us through a figure we already have learned.

Our group does ECD and SCD together in a weekly class/dance so we get a broad
variety of tempo and feeling but we don't rely on the SCD to give all the speed
or bounce, we do lively, skip-changy ECD as well. The first hour we spend more
time teaching and/or easier dances, the second hour less time teaching &/or
more challenging dances. Sometimes we'll focus on a figure or a particular
styling point and take a few extra minutes on that. Other times we zip through
a walk-though and then dance.

What really keeps me fresh as a dancer and a caller/organizer is traveling to
camps, weekends and teacher trainings - hearing and dancing to familiar tunes
played differently, experiencing a favorite dance with a favorite dance friend,
learning a new dance, meeting a new dance friend, talking about dance over good
meals, learning from different callers (picking up new 'tricks' and turns of
phrase, being able to further define who I am as a caller/what I want my style
to be, sometimes learning things I don't want to do as a caller or recognizing
bad habits I may have and getting new impetus to work on them), expanding
horizons such as with Gene Murrow's music for dance leaders training.

And then there are those moments: At a Scottish ball (where there is no walk
through and just the barest of talk-throughs) doing a dance I'd never done with
a person I'd never met. My partner got me through the dance (more than that -
we danced it together) by helping without once opening his mouth or using any
gestures. When he saw I was about to jump into a reel I had no business being
in he just somehow stood more still; when he saw in my eyes that I wasn't sure
if it was 1/2 fig 8 up or down he smiled at me and looked in the direction we
were to go...  Oh wow - not only was it a peak dance moment for me, but it's
given me an ideal to work up to as a dancer and a caller.

Which leads me to Bruce Hamilton's Back Through the Ceiling workshop at
Mendocino - another peak dance experience and something that has stayed with me
and informed my dancing and calling since. A large percentage of the time in
that workshop was spent not dancing, another large percent in moving but not
doing dances. Yet it was one of the very best dance workshop experiences I've
had. (and then that evening a dance party with very little talk - a perfect
combo).

As a caller what keeps me fresh for my weekly class/dance is the alternation of
ball prep and theme nights. About half the year we are preparing for upcoming
events and so many weeks are predetermined. When it's our spring ball I really
like all the dances because Chris and I put together the program. When it's for
our sister groups in other parts of the state we give ourselves permission to
not necessarily teach everything on the program. For the six to eight weeks
before an event I put together a teaching schedule for the whole time, then I
don't have to sit down at the same chair every week, I just pull out the dances
for that week and decide what style or figure points I want to focus on and off
I go.
Then the rest of the year we do a variety of theme nights (favorites that we
learned at camp, a particular figure, and very often something based on dance
titles (such as the recent discussion of astronomy dances) or a quirk such as
dances with songs attached). Our group likes to try to guess the theme as the
evening progresses. Within this we pull up known dances and it gives us an
opportunity to try new dances (by flipping through our books or database). Some
are ones that get coded N in database (don't do again), others become great
favorites and are added to ball programs. (The Old Boot was from our 'terms of
endearment' theme night).

Well on that note...
Happy Dancing
Brooke Friendy (Ashland OR)



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> (several snips)

> Linda could also have asked what keeps callers and musicians fresh. ...
>
> If you're lucky, every now and then you get the urge to weave a cocoon. I
> remember standing in the laundromat and talking on the pay phone to Alisa
> Dodson when she invited me to teach at Mendocino. I told her I didn't want
> to do the same old thing, but I didn't know what I did want. That was
> "Through the Ceiling" wanting to come out. And she, bless her heart, not
> only accepted that, but made a place in the program where "not the same old
> thing" would fit!
>
> The opposite also happens. I got an invitation for a workshop this summer
> that really unlocked the creative juices. I couldn't stop planning it -- at
> work, in the car, in the shower, in my sleep -- and for weeks I got ideas
> faster than I could write them down.  Then, as the details of the schedule
> fell into place it became clear that the only class that would work was an
> absolutely standard one. I can do that, but my spirit sinks. I see myself
> sitting in the same place at the table, scanning through the same books...
>
> I guess organizers have the same problem!

> What do *you* do to stay fresh?
>
>   -Bruce
>
> bruce_hamilton-AT-
agilent.com  Tel: 650-485-2818  Fax: 650-485-8092
> Agilent Technologies MS 24M-A, 3500 Deer Creek Road, Palo Alto CA 94303

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Ooo, this looks lovely.  Do think of Amarillis for May 2002!

Allison





On Wed, 04 Apr 2001 22:35:20 -0400 Richard Sauvain
<sauvain-AT-
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> Rochester is hosting a Playford Ball on Saturday, May 5, 2001. We've 
> booked 
> one of our favorite bands, Spare Parts, to play for us. Versatile 
> musicians 
> Bill Matthiesen and Liz Stell play for contras, English dances, and 
> Victorian ballroom dances (among other things) throughout the North 
> East. 
> Their 'spare part' for this occasion will be incredible fiddler 
> Frank 
> Orsini. Calling will be shared by Pamela Goddard and Richard 
> Sauvain.
> 
> There will be an afternoon practice before the Ball, and a catered 
> dinner 
> in between. The Ball will be held in the newly refurbished 
> auditorium at 
> the Visual Studies Workshop, 31 Prince Street, a gorgeous room with 
> a great 
> wood floor and excellent acoustics.
> 
> For more information, see www.ggw.org/cdr/english.html, or e-mail 
> sauvain-AT-
rochester.rr.com
> 
> -- Richard
> 

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I'm still working on the itinerary but the way it looks now I think we'll be
in Cape Breton on May 8 so will look forward to seeing you May 12 - but
sorry to miss the Playford,
Thanks,
Dianna

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> Hi Dianna:
>
> > I'm going to be in Nova Scotia May 5-17, 2001 -
> > does anyone know of any English dance (or other types of dance) there?
>
> My Playford dance group meets on Tuesdays and May 8th
> is officially the last class of the season.
>
> You are welcome to visit; we would be delighted to see
> you. But you will have to accept us as we are!
>
> It is held at the North Woodside Community Centre,
> 230 Pleasant Street, Dartmouth, N.S.
>
> My contact number is 835-5154.
>
> Regards, John
>
>

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Question:- ...  What do *you* do to stay fresh?

Answer:-... We have just had four days of bliss and contentment, recharging
our batteries and subjecting ourselves to new experiences of music and
loving every moment of it all with Dr. David Kettlewell.
He came all the way from northern Sweden to visit us in Halsway Manor,
Somerset, UK., via University of Kent, Canterbury, UK.

I feel so different looking at Playford music through the eyes of someone
who sings and plays the harp and harpsichord so beautifully. He wrote the
book on the hammered dulcimer too, but players will know that already.

I feel that to really enjoy dancing is to truly enjoy and appreciate the
full spirit of the music, not just the tune and rhythm, but the harmony and
the tone
quality of the sound. We shall (ney, must) arrange for him to come again
this week next
year 2002 and the year after 2003. Although we can take more people it will
never be the same as the first one where the 15 pioneers came not knowing
what to expect and went away refreshed like they didn't know possible.
Boredom, what's that!
See and listen to Daivid's work with the whole person on his website, he
also created the Halsway
site too.
www.new-renaissance.net and www.halswaymanor.co.uk


See you too, perhaps from USA, he went to Europe and South America earlier
this year; it will change your dancing enjoyment for ever!
Alan Corkett


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Dear Friends,
 If you live within driving distance of Boston you might be interested in
our "Fried Herman Weekend". Fried will be leading the experienced dance
tonight at 8:15, a workshop tomorrow at 2 and dance tomorrow night at 7:30.
Besides writng such stellar dances as Michael and All Angels, Astoria
Lass, Songs of the Harpist and the Mavis Sweetly Sings, Fried has also
written many less well known dances, which are gems in their own right.
This is an opportunity to spend a weekend enjoying them.  Thanks in good
part to our out of town friends, the level of dancing at our recent special
events has been very high; so this weekend is a chance to enjoy some of
Fried's best dances with congenial and elegant partners.

For more information about the weekend (times, places, directions, prices)
see our web site http://www.cds-Boston.org/.

 Best,
 Terry Gaffney


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I have been reading with interest the various summaries of the Playford
conference and extend my thanks to all who took the time to pass on their
comments.

With respect to concerns about the decline of interest in ECD, the
following might be of interest.

At our recent George Washington Ball here in Williamsburg, we had 230
dancers in attendance. That's about 75 over our usual average. The dancers
ranged in age from 8 to 80 and there were several  groups with 4 to 7
members of the same family. I attribute the large number of attendees to
the _increased_ interest in ECD, particularly in Virginia and North
Carolina. Over 60 of the dancers had never attended our ball before. New
groups are forming and existing groups seem to be expanding. The attendance
at our regular weekly dances has gone up about 50 percent in the past year.
We must be doing _something_ right!

Lou


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In case people haven't run across it, Webfeet is an index/directory site
for dance bands and events in England & Wales. For those who do know it,
this is a short mention of two recent additions:

  http://www.webfeet.org/county/

for an index of eceilidh, barn dance, folk dance bands by county... let
me know what I've missed.

  http://www.webfeet.org/eceilidh/dances/

A start at a list of 'annotated' dances - angling at the simple and
energetic as you'd meet at an eCeilidh event.

Thank you for listening :-)
  Regards,
  Martin Kiff, mgk-AT-
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In a message dated 4/6/01 3:35:15 PM, lvosteen-AT-
widomaker.com writes:

<< The attendance
at our regular weekly dances has gone up about 50 percent in the past year.
We must be doing _something_ right!

Lou >>

Congratulations. 
Can you think of anything  specific that you are "doing right" that resulted 
in the increase? 
Carl Friedman
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Dear Friends,

A glorious celebration of Mary Kay Friday's spirit and memory was had on 
Thursday, April 5.

More than 400 family, friends, neighbors, and former co-workers attended 
her memorial service; they came from far and wide.

So many attended the service that we ran out of programs and several 
requested a copy. A copy has been posted on the www in 'pdf' form, 
available via a link at:

    www.just.net/~roger/mkf

Also included are some links to tributes to Mary Kay, including some new ones.

My personal, heart-felt thanks goes out to all who participated in this 
effort . . . from greeters to musicians to those who arranged hospitality. 
The spirit of community which Mary Kay fostered certainly came out.

Sincerely yours,

Roger W. Broseus 

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>In a message dated 4/6/01 3:35:15 PM, Lou Vosteen writes:
>
><< The attendance
>at our regular weekly dances has gone up about 50 percent in the past year.
>We must be doing _something_ right!
>
And Carl Friedman adds:
>Congratulations.
>Can you think of anything  specific that you are "doing right" that 
>resulted
>in the increase?

Permit me to jump in at this point. I've been a member (some might say a 
devotee!) of Lou's group for over 2-1/2 years, and can count the number of 
Tuesday nights I've missed on one hand. I think our attendance boom is the 
result of the word finally getting out about how much fun we have. People 
try it, like it, and bring their friends. This is true of young teens as 
well as us "mature" dancers. Lou's dances are beginner-friendly without 
being boring. He calls and teaches an extensive repertoire of dances, with 
varied figures, great tunes, and plenty of opportunities for "special 
moments." The second hour usually contains more challenges, as some on this 
list have suggested. We enjoy each other's company so much, some of our 
regulars drive down from Richmond each week to attend. But as much as we 
enjoy each other, we welcome new people and visitors from other dances. No 
secret, Carl--it's just a fun, friendly English country dance. Hope we can 
see you in Williamsburg some time!

JoAnne Rawls, President
Williamsburg Heritage Dancers

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Re "Decline of ECD"
    I don't understand this heading.  What decline?  In New York, ECD seems 
to have far outstripped Contra in popularity.  I understand from people who 
keep tracks of these things that ECD takes in more money than Contra, and 
that more newcomers become steady comers.  I would ask what are those who see 
a decline in English dancing doing wrong rather than what Williamsburg (or 
New York) is doing right.  
                        Linda Wolfe
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PENGUIN LIVES is a series of small, mercifully slender biographies of famous 
people by prominent authors. I recommend the latest in the series, JANE 
AUSTEN by Carol Shields. Elegantly written and informative,and to-the-point, 
unlike the 10 lb., doorstops that biography has become. On a personal note, 
if it were not for the recent revival of all things Austen, I probably 
wouldn't have discovered ECD!                                                
                                                                             
                     Michael Serafin                                         
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Message text written by Robin Hayden
>CH resides near London, and teaches weekly at the very venue at which the
conference was held.  As far as we can tell, he encountered no new people
nor
new ideas that impressed him, treading these familiar paths.  (We all know
what familiarity breeds...)  The tone of his account is jaded and
skeptical.
<

I'm disappointed that Robin found my report jaded, sceptical and
contemptuous.  I started it by saying that "The Playford Conference at
Cecil Sharp House was a major success by any standard", and as Vicky
Bestock said: "I think if you look more closely, you'll find that he is
enthusiastic about the scholarship involved and the new information he
gleaned."  But I don't see any point in a report which is just uncritical
adulation.  Maybe Robin should write her own.

What I can't let Robin get away with is her description of:

>accordion-driven Orange & Blue; besides accordion I recollect two
fiddles, electric guitar, and electric bass, a combination which lends
itself
to a raucous, dancy rumpety-tumpety reminiscent of Scottish Country Dance
bands.<

This means that anyone who hasn't heard Orange and Blue (which may be the
majority of people on the ECD List) will imagine them as a second-rate
Scottish Band.  There is no truth in this.  I thought they were excellent,
and so did Gene Murrow.  I know accordians are not much used for English
music in the States, but they are used a lot in England and some are very
good - and very different.  Chris Dewhurst is an organist who plays
accordian and the organ training comes across - he can produce some amazing
sounds.  Fiona Maurice-Smith has a very light touch and her style can often
bring a smile to your lips while being very danceable.  Rod Stradling can
play Scottish too, but his Playford style would never be mistaken for
Scottish.  Orange and Blue's Playford recordings were what drew me to
Playford, and I still love them.  I know Bare Necessities are a great band,
but that doesn't mean that every English band has to sound like them.

Colin Hume
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Hello everyone,
For my two pennyworth... I agree with Colin Hume's comments about  The
Orange and Blue Band and all the other musicians he mentions.

I have known Roger Nicholls (Leader of O & B) as a fellow accordionist for
many years, even before he had made all the PLAYFORD vinyl recordings that
were being referred to. I think we met at the Royal Albert Hall in London
where the annual EFDSS Folk Festival took place every year in February till
the late 70's. He is a great chap, well organised, a retired languages
teacher who has a wife and grown up children who also love music and play
regularly.

In addition to running his excellent band he also has interests in the brass
band field where standards are equally critical and competitive.

For me the bottom line has to be, I think it is excellent music to dance to,
but I suppose that is subjective!

Regards Alan Corkett (I think I play accordion but for some it is accordian
player! I don't know how the USA spell it, probably accordeon)
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Message text written by Robin Hayden
>CH resides near London, and teaches weekly at the very venue at which the
conference was held.  As far as we can tell, he encountered no new people
nor
new ideas that impressed him, treading these familiar paths.  (We all know
what familiarity breeds...)  The tone of his account is jaded and
skeptical.
<

I'm disappointed that Robin found my report jaded, sceptical and
contemptuous.  I started it by saying that "The Playford Conference at
Cecil Sharp House was a major success by any standard", and as Vicky
Bestock said: "I think if you look more closely, you'll find that he is
enthusiastic about the scholarship involved and the new information he
gleaned."  But I don't see any point in a report which is just uncritical
adulation.  Maybe Robin should write her own.

What I can't let Robin get away with is her description of:

>accordion-driven Orange & Blue; besides accordion I recollect two
fiddles, electric guitar, and electric bass, a combination which lends
itself
to a raucous, dancy rumpety-tumpety reminiscent of Scottish Country Dance
bands.<

This means that anyone who hasn't heard Orange and Blue (which may be the
majority of people on the ECD List) will imagine them as a second-rate
Scottish Band.  There is no truth in this.  I thought they were excellent,
and so did Gene Murrow.  I know accordians are not much used for English
music in the States, but they are used a lot in England and some are very
good - and very different.  Chris Dewhurst is an organist who plays
accordian and the organ training comes across - he can produce some amazing
sounds.  Fiona Maurice-Smith has a very light touch and her style can often
bring a smile to your lips while being very danceable.  Rod Stradling can
play Scottish too, but his Playford style would never be mistaken for
Scottish.  Orange and Blue's Playford recordings were what drew me to
Playford, and I still love them.  I know Bare Necessities are a great band,
but that doesn't mean that every English band has to sound like them.

Colin Hume


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ECDers --

I don't think Orange & Blue require any defense against Robin's remarks,
which in fact seem to me to be complimentary.

Possibly Colin felt that Robin had taken some of his remarks out of context,
and that if she'd acknowledged all of his text she wouldn't have thought he
was, in the main, slagging the conference. Maybe it was as an example of this
that he did the same thing to Robin's remarks, not acknowledging oter
statements in the same paragraph.

What she said:

  The band for the Sunday afternoon tea dance, the closing event, was the
  popular accordion-driven Orange & Blue; besides accordion I recollect two
  fiddles, electric guitar, and electric bass, a combination which lends itself
  to a raucous, dancy rumpety-tumpety reminiscent of Scottish Country Dance
  bands.  As the dance progressed I was increasing curious about how Orange &
  Blue would render the dances on Gene Murrows planned list, especially Orly
  Krasners When Laura Smiles, which is set to the Philip Rosseter lute song.
  As it turned out, the band rose to the occasion, offering a sweet, restrained
  rendition, to which the dancers responded with corresponding sensitivity; this
  was followed by thrillingly energetic versions of Albany Assembly (dance by
  Victor Skowronski to tune by Susato) and The Homecoming (dance by Gary
  Roodman to tune by Jonathan Jensen).  

She didn't say that O&B had a raucous, dancy rumpety-tumpety; she said that 
their instrumentation would lend itself to it.  On the question of how they
actually played, she says "a sweet, restrained rendition", and "thrillingly
energetic."  This strikes me as a rave review, and there's certainly nothing
in what Robin said to justify Colin's suggestion that Robin thinks all bands
have to sound like Bare Necessities to be good.

Could we please have more stuff about people's experience of the workshop (of
which every description I've heard sounds absolutely wonderful, and there's 
room for more detailed reports), and maybe less stuff complaining about other
people's reports of their experience?

Thank you,

-- Alan
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Wallowing in my ignorance here -- what is the reference in the name "Orange
and Blue"?  Orange and blue what?

Thanks,

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Art Munisteri asked me to post this sad news about Bonny.

Bonny Hilditch, percussionist, caterer, chef, and country dancer, died, 
prematurely but peacefully, in her sleep at her home in Baltimore on Monday 
April 2, of heart failure. She was an intelligent, interesting and generous 
friend. She catered our wedding and several times (together with Ray 
Schneider) donated her culinary efforts to Pinewoods auctions. She's 
survived by her son Jeffrey, two brothers and her mother. A memorial service 
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On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Marian Phillips wrote:

> Wallowing in my ignorance here -- what is the reference in the name "Orange
> and Blue"?  Orange and blue what?

 As far as I know, it is a rallying cry for Irish Unionists. "For a croppy
I've a kick!/ and up with the orange and blue!"

  The "blue" part probably represents a claim to be "true blue patriots".


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Marian Phillips wrote:

> Wallowing in my ignorance here -- what is the reference in the name "Orange
> and Blue"?  Orange and blue what?

The band come from Bedford;  Orange and Blue are the town colours.
It also happens to be the name of a tune.  I think the combination
gave them the reason for the name.

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> I have sure felt the familiarity trap: every Monday
night,
> get out the materials to plan Wednesday's dance. Sit in
> the same place at the table....

Gee, maybe you should try a chair in the living room or go
out and sit on the grass....

:-)
L.

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This is from my sometimes faulty memory, but it seems to me that I've read
somewhere that "orange and blue" was a political reference to William of
Orange (or perhaps to the royal House of Orange). Some versions of  the song
"Green Grow the Lilacs" use the phrase "change the green lilacs to the
orange and blue", which became Americanized to "change the green lilacs to
the red, white and blue"....

Can anyone provide references to back up or debunk the above somewhat shaky
theory? I have no idea where I came up with this esoteric bit of  possibly
incorrect knowledge - just something that stuck from my public librarian
career (librarians are great at trivia, but not always so hot at
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Because, in this country, orange and blue generally signify Howard Johnson's, I
am endeavoring to think about something else.
At my English Country Dance last night, there was a good deal of discussion
about this very fine adaptation of the very fine Elizabeth Gaskell novel,
especially with reference to the dancing at the Easter Tuesday ball. I myself
had noted with pleasure that I could see, hear, and recognize "Speed the Plough"
and a rather sedate "Trip to Paris." StP I thought was dead on; TtP, I thought,
was possible, though it would have been terribly old-fashioned at the time. But
possible.

There was a third dance that just might have been a version of "Money-Musk" (the
only dance mentioned in the novel)--but the (it seemed) "ladies' chain" went by
rather quickly. I did not recognize the tune--but, of course, I don't know'em
all, and "Money-Musk" does not infallibly have the same tune.

My friends remarked that the dancing--including the lead actors--was well enough
executed that it seemed as though they had taken a little time to train the
actors. They also remarked that the dancers seemed to move rather vigorously,
and bounce a bit in the setting.

Thoughts from others?

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Marian Phillips writes:
> 
> Wallowing in my ignorance here -- what is the reference in the name "Orange
> and Blue"?  Orange and blue what?

   Those are the University of Illinois colors of course. ;-)

Jonathan "Hail to the orange, hail to the blue" Sivier

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> 	Rich-AT-
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*What* adaptation of the novel?  Is this a current movie, "playing in a
theatre near you!" or was it a TV special?

Pat
(hidden away in the countryside)

Graham wrote:

"At my English Country Dance last night, there was a good deal of discussion
about this very fine adaptation of the very fine Elizabeth Gaskell
novel...",

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Hi There.
We have some mid-week breaks at the Manor where we have empty space. If there is someone over there in the USA who would like to bring a group over to the UK to do some ECD in a genuine OEM then there could be the basis of a marvellous holiday for all concerned.
Halsway Manor for those who don't know it, is a unique residential folk music centre in Somerset, England, where you can just about dance 24 hours a day if you wish. To find out some of the background see www.halswaymanor.co.uk and listen to some of the sound samples from the latest CD, Email the manor at office-AT-
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regards alan - trustee.

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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>We have some mid-week breaks at the 
Manor where we have empty space. If there is someone over there in the USA who 
would like to bring a group over to the UK to do some ECD in a genuine OEM then 
there could be the basis of a marvellous holiday for all 
concerned.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>Halsway Manor for those who don't know 
it, is a unique residential folk music centre in Somerset, England, where you 
can just about dance 24 hours a day if you wish. To find out some of the 
background see <A 
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--- Patricia Ruggiero <ruggierop-AT-
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> *What* adaptation of the novel?  Is this a current movie,
> "playing in a theatre near you!" or was it a TV special?

Masterpiece Theatre on PBS--began a week ago Sunday here in
the Boston area.

--Lyrl

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Hello everybody! We finally got our website up to date for the Workshop July
16-27, 2001, even the online registration, so check it out:

http://www.mindfulnewmedia.com/baroquedance/

Cheers! Louise Pescetta


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Thanks, Lyrl.  I was hoping for a movie theatre, as we don't have TV.  Maybe
I can find a neighbor who's watching it.

Pat

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--- Patricia Ruggiero <ruggierop-AT-
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> *What* adaptation of the novel?  Is this a current movie,
> "playing in a theatre near you!" or was it a TV special?

Masterpiece Theatre on PBS--began a week ago Sunday here in
the Boston area.

--Lyrl

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Graham.Christian-AT-
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> 
> My friends remarked that the dancing--including the lead actors--was well enough executed that it seemed as though they had taken a little time to train the actors. They also remarked that the dancers seemed to move rather vigorously, and bounce a bit in the setting.
> 
Surprising as it may seem we on this side of the Pond do dance with a
bit more zest. After all the English were regarded as the best dancers
in Europe for over 250 years.

If memory serves me correctly it was a BBC production which went out
sometime early last summer over here.

Graham Knight
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> Graham.Christian-AT-
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> After all the English were regarded as the best dancers
> in Europe for over 250 years.


were??


Ron H

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probably in the same places where the English cuisine was considered the
best food in Europe   :-))

Giovanni De Amici

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> >
> > After all the English were regarded as the best dancers
> > in Europe for over 250 years.
>
> were??
>
> Ron H

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Hi List,

I know that one or more people posted the lyrics
to Mari's Wedding here during the past several months.
I find I need the words for a wedding gig coming up,
and I dumped that message.

Can someone send me the words off list?
I'd greatly appreciate it.

-Pamela Goddard
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I've sent the lyrics to Pam off-list, but I wanted to let folks on the list
know that a good source for lyrics (and, usually, tunes) for traditional
songs is the Digital Tradition, now living at:

http://www.mudcat.org

It's a searchable database of about 8000 songs, mostly trad.. Many of them
have the tunes encoded in "follow the bouncing ball" Songwright code.

Peace,
Paul

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Marian Phillips wrote:
> 
> Wallowing in my ignorance here -- what is the reference in the name "Orange
> and Blue"?  Orange and blue what?

I am uncertain myself, I thought Orange referred to the
Protestants in northern Ireland, blue presumably Catholics.
In any case, the tune and/or the phrase must have been
common enough for there to be similar titles like Orange in
Bloom. 

There are other examples of tunes or dances with similar
names. Here are a few:
 
Bobbing A-Joe (Wheatley), Bobbing Joe (Bampton), Bobby and
Joan (Fieldtown), Bob and Joan (Brackley)

Black Joke (Adderbury), Black Joker (Bledington), Old Black
Joe (Bucknell)

Bean Setting (Badby), Bean Planting (Stanton Harcourt)

Bride in Camp (Bampton), Brighton Camp (Stanton Harcourt)

The point being, that Orange and Blue would appear to have
been common enough to create a variant elsewhere.

Howard


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On Mon, 16 Apr 2001 00:01:13 -0700 Howard Carlberg <nsuch-AT-
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writes:
> 
> 
> There are other examples of tunes or dances with similar
> names. Here are a few:
>  
> Bobbing A-Joe (Wheatley), Bobbing Joe (Bampton), Bobby and
> Joan (Fieldtown), Bob and Joan (Brackley)

It's my understanding that this name comes from a ballad about "dancing
the bobbing Joan," a euphemism for doing the nasty. :-)

Dawn Culbertson
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--- "Dawn C. Culbertson" <dcculb-AT-
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> It's my understanding that this name comes from a ballad about
> "dancing
> the bobbing Joan," a euphemism for doing the nasty. :-)

Which has always struck me as itself one of the more inexplicable
euphemisms around.  It makes me think of the comment about the
American attitude toward sex being, "it's filthy and disgusting, save
it for someone you love."

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Help, help!

Can someone send me notes for "The Physical Snob"?  I want to teach it this weekend and find, to my great chagrin, that I don't have it written down anywhere.

gratefully-in-advance

Nilos
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In a message dated 4/17/01 8:54:25 AM, Tideswell-AT-
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<< Help, help!


Can someone send me notes for "The Physical Snob"?  I want to teach it this 
weekend and find, to my great chagrin, that I don't have it written down 
anywhere.


gratefully-in-advance


Nilos

 >>

Fun dance. Enjoy! 
Note the music is a brisk 9/8, so the skip is a triple-time skip.
Carl Friedman

The Physical Snob

3 couples longways proper

A1: Women take hands in line and skip around men back to place, first woman 
in lead.

A2: Men do the same.

B1: Pousettes: Couples 1 & 2 change places with 1st man pushing; then couples 
1 & 3 change with 1st man pulling

B2: Continue pousettes: couples 1 & 3 change back by completing their 
pousette, 1st man now pushing; then couples 1 and 2 change (completing their 
pousette) with 1st man now pulling. Everyone is now back to original place.

C1&2: (skipping step) 1s cross and cast, go below 2s who move up; then 1s 
cross through middle place and cast to bottom, 3s moving up. 
1s lead up center to top and then cast around outside to bottom.
(3rd woman has to be ready to take hands in line for next round.)
 
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In a message dated 16/4/01 3:00:58 pm, system-AT-
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>My friends remarked that the dancing--including the lead actors--was well
>enough executed that it seemed as though they had
>taken a little time to train the actors. They also remarked that the dancers
>seemed to move rather vigorously, and bounce a bit
>in the setting.

The choreographer was Jane Gibson, whose other notable successes involving 
country Dance on the small screen have included 'Pride and Prejudice' and 
'Lorna Doone', to name but two. Jane is a member of the EFDSS and a 
long-standing Country Dancer.
                                                        Nicolas B., Lanark, 
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On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 SallenNic-AT-
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> 
> In a message dated 16/4/01 3:00:58 pm, system-AT-
PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU 
> writes:
> 
> >My friends remarked that the dancing--including the lead actors--was well
> >enough executed that it seemed as though they had
> >taken a little time to train the actors. They also remarked that the dancers
> >seemed to move rather vigorously, and bounce a bit
> >in the setting.
> 
> The choreographer was Jane Gibson, whose other notable successes involving 
> country Dance on the small screen have included 'Pride and Prejudice' and 
> 'Lorna Doone', to name but two. Jane is a member of the EFDSS and a 
> long-standing Country Dancer.

She did a hell of a job with "Pride and Prejudice."  As more of a dance
musician than a dancer, I was particularly impressed with the way they
represented the different strata of society through the styles of the dance
bands at the various balls depicted in the movie: a somewhat rowdy and
rambunctious style for the dance hosted by the Bennets' friends, and a very
upscale classical style for Mr. Darcy's dance.  It really helped the viewer
understand why Darcy was so contemptuous of the lower-middle-class dance.

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On Mon, 16 Apr 2001 14:25:02 -0700 (PDT) Barbara Ruth
<barbararuth-AT-
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> 
> --- "Dawn C. Culbertson" <dcculb-AT-
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> 
> a euphemism for doing the nasty. :-)
> 
> Which has always struck me as itself one of the more inexplicable
> euphemisms around.  It makes me think of the comment about the
> American attitude toward sex being, "it's filthy and disgusting, 
> save
> it for someone you love."

I've never quite understood that expression either, wherever it may have
come from. I don't agree with it; I was just trying to be facetious.

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Thank you, NB, for word about Jane Gibson.
More recently, there were two more dances in evidence. One was "Hole in the
Wall," tho--if I am right, without benefit of instant replay--it looked as
though it had been modified ("to fit your television screen"). Cynthia and her
beau seemed to be  the 2s, and they danced the *first* A (so they cast up and
led down); also, it seemed that at the end of the round they cast up and the 1s
led down. Perhaps this made for better camera positioning, or more consistent
focus on Cynthia's fair face.

The second dance I did not recognize by tune, but looked like a waltz mixer
(balance back and forward; change lobsters; balance back and forward; keep
changing lobsters to the end of the A repeats: waltz with last lobster). Because
the narration (and camera) cut away, I could not determine if the couples were
about to waltz freely, or turn around each other to resume the circle formation.

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On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:10:39 -0700 (PDT) Jon Berger <jberger-AT-
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writes:
> On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 SallenNic-AT-
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> 
> > 
> > In a message dated 16/4/01 3:00:58 pm, 
> system-AT-
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> > writes:
> > 
>
> > The choreographer was Jane Gibson, whose other notable successes 
> involving 
> > country Dance on the small screen have included 'Pride and 
> Prejudice' and 
> > 'Lorna Doone', to name but two. Jane is a member of the EFDSS and 
> a 
> > long-standing Country Dancer.
> 
> She did a hell of a job with "Pride and Prejudice."  As more of a 
> dance
> musician than a dancer, I was particularly impressed with the way 
> they
> represented the different strata of society through the styles of 
> the dance
> bands at the various balls depicted in the movie:

She certainly did do a hell of a job, and it must have been especially
tough considering that there were several dance scenes which involved
very important dialogue. Now all this talk about "Pride & Prejudice"
makes me want to watch it again! :-)

Actually, just as an aside--for those who missed it and have cable, the
A&E network is rerunning Pride & Prejudice in 1-hour installments all
this week at the rather ungodly hour of 7 a.m. A good excuse to crank up
your VCRs...

Dawn Culbertson
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It's not unusual for discussions on the ECD List and the Strathspey
server to intersect, but there's also occasional intersection with the
East European Folklife Center listserv, to wit

[Speaking of making a film of highlights of East Coast Balkan Camp]
> My own candidate for the highlight film was listening to Merita and Raif
> sing the Barney song ("I love you, you love me...") in traditional
> Albanian Tosc polyphony, as well as Old MacDonald Had a Farm, at 3:30 in
> the morning in the Kafana.  The written word simply cannot convey the
> depth of expression, or absurdity.

[Repetitions riffs and unusual meters seem to matter...]

> http://www.uc.edu/news/kellaris.htm
> 
> Songs That Cause The Brain To 'Itch': UC Professor
> Investigating Why Certain Tunes Get Stuck In Our Heads

That's "C" as in "Cincinnati".  

Enjoy!

				Tom



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if you're within driving distance of Boston, or are coming to NEFFA, the
Boston Centre invites you to our Pre-Neffa party dance, this Wednesday at
7:30, at the Park Avenue Church. Directions to the hall can be found at our
www.cds-boston.org.

 Charles Bolton will be leading the evening; if you miss him Wednesday
night, you can still catch him at NEFFA, and at the NY Ball on April 28.

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Is Charles Bolton's entire tour itinerary posted somewhere?

On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, Terence Gaffney wrote of this Wednesday's
Boston-area English dance:

>  Charles Bolton will be leading the evening; if you miss him Wednesday
> night, you can still catch him at NEFFA, and at the NY Ball on April 28.

Or in Princeton on Wednesday, April 25 at the Suzanne Patterson Center,
8-10:30 p.m. Check <http://www.princetonol.com/groups/pcd> for details or
e-mail me by Tuesday.

See you at NEFFA!

Susie Lorand
Princeton, NJ, USA

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Ask, and you shall receive.  The rest of Charles Bolton's itinerary follows. 
  Don't miss out on an opportunity to experience one of the UK's finest 
teachers and choreographers.

--Orly Krasner


Wednesday, 18 April:  Boston (regular Arlington dance)

Saturday, 21 April:  NEFFA (a program of his dance reconstructions, from his 
series of "Retreads," with music by The Flying Romanos)

Tuesday, 24 April:  New York (CD*NY) Playford Ball Preparation**

Wednesday, 25 April:  Princeton  Music by Susie Lorand, fiddle; Judy 
Kleppel, oboe; paul prestopino; mandolin; and Roberta Truscello, piano.

Saturday, 28 April:  The CD*NY Playford Ball (sold out)

Tuesday, 1 May:  CD*NY--a program of his own devising.  Music by Paul 
Friedman, fiddle; Wayne Hankin, winds; and Marnen Laibow-Koser, piano.  If 
the occasion isn't tempatation enough, the break will feature all the 
leftover goodies from the Ball!**

Thursday, 3 May:  Westchester (CDW)  Music by George Davis, fiddle; Sue 
Polansky, clarinet; and Leah Barkan, piano.

**For details, check out our website:  www.cdny.org

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The  dance looked like Northdown Waltz  which is not a mixer 
(at least not the way I have seen it done)
although it appeared to be a mixer the way they were doing it in the
show.
The music was definitely the Northdown Waltz music.

Martha
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On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 07:00:04 -0800 (PST) 
> 
> The second dance I did not recognize by tune, but looked like a 
> waltz mixer
> (balance back and forward; change lobsters; balance back and 
> forward; keep
> changing lobsters to the end of the A repeats: waltz with last 
> lobster). Because
> the narration (and camera) cut away, I could not determine if the 
> couples were
> about to waltz freely, or turn around each other to resume the 
> circle formation.
> 
> G
> 
> 
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(Please excuse any cross-postings.)

"All the ills of mankind…, all the political blunders, all the failures of the great leaders have arisen merely from a lack of skill in dancing."
    Molière

Come save yourselves and all mankind; join us for…

HISTORICAL DANCE PROGRAM

AT THE 

AMHERST EARLY MUSIC FESTIVAL

July 29-August 5, 2001 and August 5-12, 2001

University of Connecticut at Storrs

THIS YEAR'S THEME:

"Music of France and the Low Countries: Medieval, Renaissance, Baroque"

For over twenty years the historical dance program has been a highly successful part of the Amherst Early Music Festival, itself the largest festival of its kind in the world. Students particularly enjoy the opportunities for performance, along with stimulating classes by dance historians and performers." [See below for comments from workshop participants]

· FACULTY

Dorothy Olsson, Director; Kaspar D. Mainz; Carol G. Marsh
    For faculty bios, see:
http://www.AmherstEarlyMusic.org/

· DANCE CLASSES

Dance is an integral part of the Amherst Early Music Festival; classes will be offered in Renaissance and Baroque dance, dance notation, and country dance/contredanse. Classes are given in one of three spacious dance studios. All levels of dancers are welcome. 

Tentative Schedule as of March 7, 2001 (subject to change; see http://www.AmherstEarlyMusic.org/ for most current information and for photos):

Week I

"Historical Dances for Teachers"  

A special workshop for teachers of dance, music, and theater at the elementary, secondary and college level who wish to enhance their programs with dances from historical periods. A knowledge of historical dance is becoming more important within performing arts education. Participants will learn a variety of dances from the 15th to the 19th centuries, become familiar with historical dance music, discuss issues related to teaching these dances, and prepare for a short performance of Renaissance and Baroque dances with live music. A booklet containing the choreographies and music for dances taught, and a CD with recordings of the dances will be available for purchase. 

The program consists of four classes daily, Monday through Friday, with a performance on Saturday afternoon. Participants are also entitled to attend many other events (including English country dancing, concerts and lectures) in the evenings that are part of the Amherst Early Music Festival Central Program. For more details, see: http://www.AmherstEarlyMusic.org/

Faculty: Dr. Dorothy Olsson, Kaspar D. Mainz, Dr. Ross Duffin [music staff]

9-10:30 am
Dances of the Renaissance Period. Mainz, Olsson

10:45am-12:15pm
Survey of Historical Dance Music. Duffin

1:30-3 pm
Dances of the Seventeenth and Eighteenth Centuries  . Mainz, Olsson

3:30-5:30 pm
Colloquium: Discussion, Rehearsal for Performance. Mainz, Olsson

Week II 

Faculty: Dr. Dorothy Olsson, Kaspar D. Mainz, Dr. Carol G. Marsh

9-10:30 am
Dansons! Dances of the Late Renaissance. Mainz, Olsson

10:45am-12:15pm
Jardin de Cupidon: French Contredanses. Marsh

1:30-3 pm
French and German Baroque Dances. Mainz, Marsh

1:30-3 pm
Beginning Renaissance and Baroque Dance. Olsson

3:30-5:30 pm
Theater project rehearsal: "Sur l'Amour, la Mort et la Folie: On Love, Death and Folly." Mainz, Olsson

· PERFORMANCE OPPORTUNITIES 

Participants will also have the opportunity, unusual among summer workshops, to perform in a public theatrical performance, with costumes and to the accompaniment of live music. The production, entitled "Sur l'Amour, la Mort et la Folie: On Love, Death and Folly," will take place during the second week of the Amherst Early Music Festival, and will feature music and dance from sixteenth-century France. Director: Grant Herreid. Dance Directors: Dorothy Olsson, Kaspar D. Mainz; Poet Laureate: Lawrence Rosenwald; Music Director: Tom Zajac.

There will be other performance opportunities, on student concerts given during both weeks.

· SPECIAL LECTURE BY DANCE HISTORIAN CAROL G. MARSH,
University of North Carolina at Greensboro

August 6, 2001

"Branles, Bourrées, and Bohémiens: Four Centuries of French Music and Dance"
    Dance and Dance Music of Northern Europe from 1450-1750, with live music and dance demonstrations by Amherst Early Music faculty

· CONCERTS

Participants can attend a wide array of concerts; in the last two years concerts were presented by Boston Shawm & Sackbut Band, Ben Bagby, Flanders Recorder Quartet, Les Voix Humaines, and Fortune's Wheel. For information on the 2001 concert schedule, see: http://www.AmherstEarlyMusic.org/

· COMMENTS FROM WORKSHOP PARTICPANTS

"The Amherst Early Music Festival was a treasure of information and insight into the historical origins of classical ballet and the dance classes were a springboard to new insights on group movement and choreography. Performing in a historical masque was the catalyst for my own dance company's Renaissance evening. The well versed and very approachable faculty made this festival both enriching and inspiring. I am sure that this festival will continue to influence my choreographic vision for years to come."

    Paul Abrahamson, Artistic Director, The Moose Project, Chicago, IL

"My experience at Amherst opened a rich and stimulating new world of knowledge about Medieval, Renaissance, and Baroque dance and music.  It was an intensive two weeks that gave me very concrete specific skills and dances that I have used as springboards for my own choreography, as the basis for a course on western theatrical dance for high school students, and as a lively educational addition to my middle school dance composition classes.  The teachers are active in the field, knowledgeable and able to convey the material clearly and with a great sense of fun.  The opportunity to perform this material with period instruments is a rare and privileged experience."

    Sarah Stead, Saint Ann's School, Brooklyn Heights, NY 

· FOR MORE INFORMATION AND APPLICATION FORM

Workshop fees will be available in the near future. 

For further information, please contact:

Amherst Early Music
www.amherstearlymusic.org
Marilyn Boenau, director
P.O. Box  1322     
Shirley, MA 01464
Phone: 978.425.4400
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One thing that struck me about the selection of dances in the various Jane
Austen movies was the extended time period from which they came.

Regarding the movie under discussion, Hole in the Wall appeared in the
Dancing Master between the years 1696 and 1728.  In a Jane Austen movie (I
forget which one), Grimstock appears (Dancing Master 1651-1690) (both refs
from Keller and Shimer's _The Playford Ball_).  Were folks still dancing
these, and other "older" dances, in 1800?

Pat
Charlottesville, Virginia

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Graham.Christian-AT-
risk.sungard.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 2:23 PM
To: ECD-AT-
SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Subject: Re: Wives and daughters, more!




Thank you, NB, for word about Jane Gibson.
More recently, there were two more dances in evidence. One was "Hole in the
Wall," tho--if I am right, without benefit of instant replay--it looked as
though it had been modified ("to fit your television screen"). Cynthia and
her
beau seemed to be  the 2s, and they danced the *first* A (so they cast up
and
led down); also, it seemed that at the end of the round they cast up and the
1s
led down. Perhaps this made for better camera positioning, or more
consistent
focus on Cynthia's fair face.

The second dance I did not recognize by tune, but looked like a waltz mixer
(balance back and forward; change lobsters; balance back and forward; keep
changing lobsters to the end of the A repeats: waltz with last lobster).
Because
the narration (and camera) cut away, I could not determine if the couples
were
about to waltz freely, or turn around each other to resume the circle
formation.

G


The BancWare Client Conference
June 10th-June 14th, 2001
Westin Copley Hotel
Boston, MA  02116

Graham Christian
Technical Writer, Product Management
SunGard Trading and Risk Systems
88 Broad Street, Boston, MA  02110
Telephone number: (617)542-2800, extension 248
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Archive-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:31:50 PST
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Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 03:31:15 +0100
From: Michael Barraclough <michael.barraclough-AT-
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NO THEY WEREN'T

I didn't want to be the one that started questioning the historical
authenticity of what was used but I know that I was squirming in my seat and
my partner refused to watch at the same time because she knew how angry I
would get.

Regards - Michael Barraclough

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From: owner-ecd-AT-
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[mailto:owner-ecd-AT-
SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU]On Behalf Of Patricia
Ruggiero
Sent: 19 April 2001 03:27
To: ECD-AT-
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Subject: RE: Wives and daughters, more!


One thing that struck me about the selection of dances in the various Jane
Austen movies was the extended time period from which they came.

Regarding the movie under discussion, Hole in the Wall appeared in the
Dancing Master between the years 1696 and 1728.  In a Jane Austen movie (I
forget which one), Grimstock appears (Dancing Master 1651-1690) (both refs
from Keller and Shimer's _The Playford Ball_).  Were folks still dancing
these, and other "older" dances, in 1800?

Pat
Charlottesville, Virginia

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-ecd-AT-
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[mailto:owner-ecd-AT-
PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU]On Behalf Of
Graham.Christian-AT-
risk.sungard.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 2:23 PM
To: ECD-AT-
SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Subject: Re: Wives and daughters, more!




Thank you, NB, for word about Jane Gibson.
More recently, there were two more dances in evidence. One was "Hole in the
Wall," tho--if I am right, without benefit of instant replay--it looked as
though it had been modified ("to fit your television screen"). Cynthia and
her
beau seemed to be  the 2s, and they danced the *first* A (so they cast up
and
led down); also, it seemed that at the end of the round they cast up and the
1s
led down. Perhaps this made for better camera positioning, or more
consistent
focus on Cynthia's fair face.

The second dance I did not recognize by tune, but looked like a waltz mixer
(balance back and forward; change lobsters; balance back and forward; keep
changing lobsters to the end of the A repeats: waltz with last lobster).
B