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Robin,

I'll be there, and at least two other Belgian dancers and probably more.

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Sharon Green wrote:

>  The single B version of Bellamira is in the Country Dance Book, New
> Series, a book put out by EFDSS.  The double B version folks south of
> Boston tend to dance is Charles Bolton's interpretation, which he
> published in Vol. 1 of his Retreads series.

And even east of NYC, like in Belgium.

Philippe Callens



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rlhayden wrote:
 
> To my utter amazement, I find that I'm going to the Playford conference in
> London in March.  I'd love to know who else from the list is planning to be
> there.

I'm actually able to go.  Got my plane tickets and passport all ready. 
Just need to figure out where I'm staying and how the heck I'm going to
get into and out of my dress Saturday evening.

--Charlene

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For some reason when I try to read the messages from Michael Barraclough the
computer tries to start downloading a program.  Is anyone else having this
experience or know what it's all about?
Thanks,
Dianna

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> For some reason when I try to read the messages from Michael Barraclough
the
> computer tries to start downloading a program.  Is anyone else having this
> experience or know what it's all about?
> Thanks,
> Dianna


Oh dear, we went through all this on the EC mailing list with Michael's
emails.  I still don't know what it is, but we found out how to fix it, at
least if you are using Microsoft Outlook Express:

- Go to Tools / Options and click on the "Read" tab.

- choose "International Settings..."

- check the box next to "Use default encoding for all incoming messages"

- click OK as many times as neccesary

This fixed it for me.



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I believe Sharon is right.

Some years ago I checked with Tom Cook on his four-couple interpretation, before
we published it in our AADS News. Yes, it *is* his interpretation, simply called
Jamaica.

Chris Dewhurst and Sue Stapledon recorded "this version" on their CD Playford Pops
(unfortunately out of print)

It is a fine interpretation, although the double progression longways version has
possibilities, too.

Philippe Callens

Sharon Green wrote:

> The 4-couple Jamaica I've taught is the one I picked up in England when
> Barrie Bullimore was teaching.  It's an adaptation by Tom Cook, and Colin,
> who was with us at the time, said Tom Cook's version is the standard way
> that folks do Jamaica in England.  But it was just called Jamaica, not The
> New Jamaica.
>
> Sharon
>
> At 07:31 AM 1/31/01 -0500, rlhayden wrote:
>
> >Ed Wilfert recently taught The New Jamaica at our Monday dance.  Terrific
> >dance  -- Jamaica adapted into a 4 couple longways.  Ed's notes were
> collected
> >at Pinewoods, directly from Colin, he thinks.  Is this Colin's dance?  It's
> >not in Neil's index, nor in any of Colin's books that we happen to have in
> >stock at CDSS.  Can anyone point me to the directions?
> >
> >[Neil, we hear you have a new edition of the index -- could we have a copy at
> >CDSS?]
> >
> >Robin Hayden
> >
> >

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RE: Playford Conference at Cecil Sharp House, London, March 24-25

I'm honored to be among the speakers... my topic is "Playford in
America," though as an American speaking on English dance to an English
organization, I ought to do "Coals to Newcastle" as a follow-up to
Michael  :-)

Colin Hume, with Andrew Shaw and me, will be doing a "tea dance" to end
the conference on Sunday.  Should be fun.

Air fares to London are very low right now, so if any Americans would
like a good excuse to visit England...

Check www.dhds.org.uk for details.

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Will anyone be speaking at the conference about the music per se -
plenty of
stuff programmed for history and dancing, but not a lot on the dots
themselves?
Paul.

PS Who are the bands?

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Ruth,

On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, CBS/GRIM wrote:

[snip]

> This lurker in the shadows of your list has a request. The "abc" you are 
> referring to - what is it? Is there software (no-one has specified a site 
> or program) or is it a musician's shorthand you need musical knowledge to use?
> 
> If someone would enlighten me I would be very grateful - off-list is OK.

As you may not be the only one unfamiliar with this, abc is a
music-encoding scheme which uses text characters in a fairly transparent
way to describe music.  The notation is simple enough that one can learn
to read and write at least simple tunes without software help.  Numerous,
generally freeware programs have appeared to help convert into and out of
abc.  Output can be turned into MIDI instructions and then played on a
MIDI device, or formatted into more conventional music notation and
printed out, for example.  See

http://www.gre.ac.uk/~c.walshaw/abc/

for starters.  There are lots of sites with tunes encoded in abc available
to download.

Eric Arnold
Ann Arbor, MI, US

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With all the discussion about various music software packages, I haven't seen one thing of interest to me.  How are these packages at outputting the musical notation to a file as a graphics (.gif, .jpg, .bmp format, &c) so that the result can be included in a document or posted up on the web?

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Paul Sartin wrote:

> Will anyone be speaking at the conference about the music per se -
> plenty of
> stuff programmed for history and dancing, but not a lot on the dots
> themselves?
> Paul.
>
> PS Who are the bands?

The Broadside Band will play for the Saturday ball; Orange and Blue for
the tea dance.

Philippe Callens

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On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Ric Goldman wrote:

> With all the discussion about various music software packages, I
> haven't seen one thing of interest to me.  How are these packages at
> outputting the musical notation to a file as a graphics (.gif, .jpg,
> .bmp format, &c) so that the result can be included in a document or
> posted up on the web?

Ric brings up a very relevant point; certainly for information
interchange, this is a potentially-very-useful capability.

I know that Finale has been able to export documents as graphics or EPS
files for some time, and they claim with their current version to be able
to output in a wide variety of formats for inclusion in just about
anything else, including the internet.  Their bottom-of-the-line freebie
F. Notepad also claims to be able to output to the web, and they are
offering a free web plug-in to view these files.  While I'm interested in
that in principle, I'm not actively into that yet so I haven't tested it
to see how well it works or how easy it is to use.  Perhaps someone else
who is more up on this would like to take a look at that aspect and see
what else is offered in this direction?

Eric

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CBS/GRIM writes:
> 
> 
> At 06:02 PM 30/1/01 -0500, you wrote:
> 
> >On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 j-sivier-AT-
ux1.cso.uiuc.edu wrote:
> >
> > >    Another aspect of using ABC that is useful (for me) is that since it's
> > > a text file format, you don't need special software to create music files.
> > > Any text editor will do.
> 
> This lurker in the shadows of your list has a request. The "abc" you are 
> referring to - what is it? Is there software (no-one has specified a site 
> or program) or is it a musician's shorthand you need musical knowledge to use?
> 
> If someone would enlighten me I would be very grateful - off-list is OK.

   ABC is a format for encoding music using plain text.  You can find out
more at the following websites:

The abc home page - http://www.gre.ac.uk/~c.walshaw/abc/
ABC Music Notation - http://trillian.mit.edu/~jc/music/abc/doc/ABCtutorial.html
ABC2Win 2.1 Shareware Information - http://www.c7r.com/abc/
NAFA: ABC's - http://www.iland.net/~bshull/NAFA/abccoll.htm
Otter's Links to ABC music sites - http://www.best.com/~otter/abcsites.html
JC's ABC tune finder - http://trillian.mit.edu/~jc/music/abc/findtune.html

   Here is an example of what a tune might look like.  This is the tune for
the cotilion "The Frolic" in the New Harmony "Community Dances, 1826"
manuscript.  There are many other aspects of the tune that can be encoded,
but this is a sort of bare minimum

T:The Frolic
M:2/4
L:1/8
S:Community Dances 1826
P:AABBAABB
K:DMajor
P:A
faaf | gbbg | faaf | e/2f/2g/2e/2 d/2c/2B/2A/2 | faaf | gbbg |
ff/2g/2 ee/2f/2 | d4 :||
P:B
.f.e.d.c | .d.c.B.A | .f.e.d.c | .d.c.B.A | faaf | gbbg |
ff/2g/2 ee/2f/2 | d4 :||

%  ABC2Win Version 2.1 2/1/2001

Jonathan

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I posted the directions for this directly to Robin, who has told me that it is pretty much as she remembers Ed Wilfert's calling of it. For those of you who hoped to find it in the enigmatic "enclosure" at the end of my post to the list, my apologies. That enclosure is a strange Gates artifact  of the Microsoft program "Exchange" which I use. It's benign, contains nothing at all, and does not carry viruses, but embarrasses me every time I forget. In order to avoid it, I must send a new message directly to the list rather than use reply to.

The New Jamaica
(Colin Hume, four couples longways)

A1: First and fourth couples join right hand with partner; also join left hand and change places. Facing neighbors, do the same figure.

B1: Original end couples (now in middle) dance (skipping) a whole figure eight around nearest end couples.

A2: First and second men, and simultaneously, third and fourth men, back to back. Women the same.

B2: Neighbors in middle (first and fourth women, first and fourth men) turn once and a half (both hands, skipping). All turn partners, both hands (once and a half for original ones and fours; once for original twos and threes).

These instructions are from the 1990 Boston Playford Ball booklet. I am currently, thanks to the generosity of several CDS-Boston members, most recently George Fogg, in possession of all of the booklets for the 21 years of the ball's history. A total of 170 dances are included, most (if not all) written in Helene Cornelius's careful style, and many in the later years including valuable information on printed sources. 

Mary Stafford
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I want to point out that this is not Tom Cook's interpretation. Colin, is it yours?

Philippe Callens

Mary Stafford wrote:

> I posted the directions for this directly to Robin, who has told me that it is pretty much as she remembers Ed Wilfert's calling of it. For those of you who hoped to find it in the enigmatic "enclosure" at the end of my post to the list, my apologies. That enclosure is a strange Gates artifact  of the Microsoft program "Exchange" which I use. It's benign, contains nothing at all, and does not carry viruses, but embarrasses me every time I forget. In order to avoid it, I must send a new message directly to the list rather than use reply to.
>
> The New Jamaica
> (Colin Hume, four couples longways)
>
> A1: First and fourth couples join right hand with partner; also join left hand and change places. Facing neighbors, do the same figure.
>
> B1: Original end couples (now in middle) dance (skipping) a whole figure eight around nearest end couples.
>
> A2: First and second men, and simultaneously, third and fourth men, back to back. Women the same.
>
> B2: Neighbors in middle (first and fourth women, first and fourth men) turn once and a half (both hands, skipping). All turn partners, both hands (once and a half for original ones and fours; once for original twos and threes).
>
> These instructions are from the 1990 Boston Playford Ball booklet. I am currently, thanks to the generosity of several CDS-Boston members, most recently George Fogg, in possession of all of the booklets for the 21 years of the ball's history. A total of 170 dances are included, most (if not all) written in Helene Cornelius's careful style, and many in the later years including valuable information on printed sources.
>
> Mary Stafford
> Allston, MA

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On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Ric Goldman wrote:

> With all the discussion about various music software packages, I haven't
> seen one thing of interest to me.  How are these packages at outputting the
> musical notation to a file as a graphics (.gif, .jpg, .bmp format, &c) so
> that the result can be included in a document or posted up on the web?

One way to approach that is to use a screen-capture program.  There are
bunches of them available for free from all the usual places.  Just put
your music up on the screen in whatever editor you're using and snag the
image with the capture program.  Funky but effective, and not the worst
idea in the world if it means the difference between being able to use a
freeware package and having to pay multiple hundreds of dollars for Finale
or something.

As far as that goes, if you have multiple hundreds of dollars you're
willing to part with, you could spend them on Adobe Publisher, and then you
can create a PDF file from any program that has a print function.  PDF is
nearly as universally readable as GIF and JPEG these days.

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--- Jon Berger <jberger-AT-
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> As far as that goes, if you have multiple hundreds of dollars
> you're willing to part with, you could spend them on Adobe 
> Publisher, and then you can create a PDF file from any program

> that has a print function.  PDF is nearly as universally 
> readable as GIF and JPEG these days.
> 

But, you don't have to spend that multiple hundreds of dollars
to be able to read PDF files. You can download Adobe Acrobat
Reader for free.

Andy

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<<For some reason when I try to read the messages from Michael Barraclough
the
computer tries to start downloading a program.  Is anyone else having this
experience or know what it's all about?>>

It's happening to me to; the computer wants to download Arabic
character-sets or some such. It's still possible to read the messages, but
it messes up the computer until you close Michael's message.

Peace,
Paul



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For those curious about the Tom Cook interpretation, here's what's
scribbled on my card.  Friends across the pond, please correct any
egregious errors--
Sharon


Jamaica	4 cu set, 3's & 4's Improper	10xAB	Tom Cook interpretation

Introduction
A.	1-4	Up a double & back
	5-8	That again
B	1-4	Set & turn S
	5-8	That again

Figure
A	1-4	Ends take R-h, L-h; 2-h turn 1/2-way to face neighbors
	5-8	Neighbors take R-h, L-h; 2-h turn 1/2-way		[Finish close to partner]
B	1-4	Lines of 4 fall back a double and come forward
	5-8	Actives [original ends] 1/2 figure 8 out through nearest end couple
A	1-4	Active men, back to back
	5-8	Active women, back to back
B	1-4	Active neighbors, 2-h turn 1 & 1/2x (sk)
	5-8	Active partners, 2-h turn 1/2-way & fall back

Repeat figure 3x

Repeat Introduction



At 05:23 PM 2/1/01 +0100, Philippe Callens wrote:
>I want to point out that this is not Tom Cook's interpretation. Colin, is it 
>yours?
>
>Philippe Callens

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> --- Jon Berger <jberger-AT-
monitor.net> wrote:
> > As far as that goes, if you have multiple hundreds of dollars
> > you're willing to part with, you could spend them on Adobe
> > Publisher, and then you can create a PDF file from any program

> > that has a print function.  PDF is nearly as universally
> > readable as GIF and JPEG these days.
> >

> But, you don't have to spend that multiple hundreds of dollars
> to be able to read PDF files. You can download Adobe Acrobat
> Reader for free.


True, but Jon was talking about _creating_ the PDF file, which does
cost money if you use the Adobe tools. 

-- Alan

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1) fiddle
2) fiddle and piano (or harpsichord)
3) fiddle, piano, flute

Reasons: read Larry Stout's answer.  There's nothing I would add to it.

Pat

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Subject: musical intruments


Hello from Vancouver {Surrey}!
Would any of you like to answer my question, teachers, students and
musicians.
Money no object {ya  right}
I love all the musical instruments I have heard played for ECD, but
what would your musical instrument preference be for each of these if
you needed 1 musician, 2 musicians , 3 musicians or 4 musicians etc. for
classes? Would you give reasons to your choice.
What musical instruments do you like for a ball or social dance?
Thank you! Answer to the list or email me privately would be welcomed.
Cheers Marie






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On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Andrew Peterson wrote:

> --- Jon Berger <jberger-AT-
monitor.net> wrote:
> > As far as that goes, if you have multiple hundreds of dollars
> > you're willing to part with, you could spend them on Adobe 
> > Publisher, and then you can create a PDF file from any program
> 
> > that has a print function.  PDF is nearly as universally 
> > readable as GIF and JPEG these days.
> > 
> 
> But, you don't have to spend that multiple hundreds of dollars
> to be able to read PDF files. You can download Adobe Acrobat
> Reader for free.

That's true.  But you do have to spend money on Adobe Publisher if you
want to create PDFs, which was my point.

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Thnaks Gene for the "Let's go to England" plug! I am looking forward to
meeting you when you visit Halsway Manor later in your advertised tour, for
your weekend calling with Colin Hume. Now, that is going to be something
really special and memorable, I promise you.
Just have a look at the pic of Halsway Manor, how can you resist it !
.www.halswaymanor.co.uk
Best Wishes
Alan Corkett

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To: ECD-AT-
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Date: 01 February 2001 12:12
Subject: Re: Playford conference


RE: Playford Conference at Cecil Sharp House, London, March 24-25

I'm honored to be among the speakers... my topic is "Playford in
America," though as an American speaking on English dance to an English
organization, I ought to do "Coals to Newcastle" as a follow-up to
Michael  :-)

Colin Hume, with Andrew Shaw and me, will be doing a "tea dance" to end
the conference on Sunday.  Should be fun.

Air fares to London are very low right now, so if any Americans would
like a good excuse to visit England...

Check www.dhds.org.uk for details.

Gene
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On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:49:34 -0800 (PST) Jon Berger <jberger-AT-
monitor.net>
writes:
> On Wed, 31 Jan 2001, Mary Beth Goodman wrote:
> 
> > At 9:58 PM -0600 1/31/01, Larry Stout wrote:

> Eentsy teensy 16th-century fiddle, also known as a dancing master's 
> fiddle,
> or pochette (presumably from the dancing masters' habit of carrying 
> the
> thing in their pockets, which strikes me as a terrible idea, but I 
> guess
> cases were expensive back then).  

Kits were also made in the 17th & 18th centuries. And back then, guys'
coats had much bigger pockets. I don't know where you live, but if you're
anywhere near New York's Metropolitan Museum of Art, you might want to
check out their instrument collection--there are a number of
kits/pochettes on display, including one designed to fit inside a walking
stick!

Dawn Culbertson
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On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Dawn C. Culbertson wrote:

> On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:49:34 -0800 (PST) Jon Berger <jberger-AT-
monitor.net>
> writes:
> > On Wed, 31 Jan 2001, Mary Beth Goodman wrote:
> > 
> > > At 9:58 PM -0600 1/31/01, Larry Stout wrote:
> 
> > Eentsy teensy 16th-century fiddle, also known as a dancing master's 
> > fiddle,
> > or pochette (presumably from the dancing masters' habit of carrying 
> > the
> > thing in their pockets, which strikes me as a terrible idea, but I 
> > guess
> > cases were expensive back then).  
> 
> Kits were also made in the 17th & 18th centuries. And back then, guys'
> coats had much bigger pockets. 

I gather they're also made in the 21st century, since Larry apparently
makes them.  

My qualms about the pockets had to do with the lack of protection they
afford, not their size; I'd pretty much assumed that the pocket was big
enough to accommodate the instrument, since I wasn't envisioning someone
breaking his kit into pieces every time he wanted to put it away.  I
imagine, however, that historical pockets were made of cloth, just like
modern pockets.  I'd be pretty hesitant to carry my fiddle around in a
cloth sack, whether or not attached to my clothing.

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On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Dawn C. Culbertson wrote:

> 
> 
> On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:49:34 -0800 (PST) Jon Berger <jberger-AT-
monitor.net>
> writes:
> > On Wed, 31 Jan 2001, Mary Beth Goodman wrote:
> > 
> > > At 9:58 PM -0600 1/31/01, Larry Stout wrote:
> 
> > Eentsy teensy 16th-century fiddle, also known as a dancing master's 
> > fiddle,
> > or pochette (presumably from the dancing masters' habit of carrying 
> > the
> > thing in their pockets, which strikes me as a terrible idea, but I 
> > guess
> > cases were expensive back then).  
> 
> Kits were also made in the 17th & 18th centuries. And back then, guys'
> coats had much bigger pockets. I don't know where you live, but if you're
> anywhere near New York's Metropolitan Museum of Art, you might want to
> check out their instrument collection--there are a number of
> kits/pochettes on display, including one designed to fit inside a walking
> stick!

For a picture including a rather early kit, check out:

http://www.kfki.hu/~arthp/art/c/costa/concert.jpg

Eric

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In a message dated 2/1/01 7:00:48 AM, barbararuth-AT-
rocketmail.com writes:

>Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 07:28:31 -0800 (PST)
>From: Barbara Ruth <>
>Subject: Re: Playford conference
>Message-ID: <20010131152831.22347.qmail-AT-
web1603.mail.yahoo.com>
>
>--- rlhayden <rlhayden-AT-
amherst.edu> wrote:
>
>> Robin Hayden, looking forward to settling the question of her
>> gender once and 
>> for all
>
>Robin, I hate to be the one to point this out, but if you haven't
>figured it out by now, it's probably too late.
>;)

Yes, well, unless she wants to move to San Francisco, where we got more 
gender options that Carter's got little liver pills, come to find out.....

Nilos, who to her own astonishment is experiencing a wee bit of culture 
shock.  
PS Stay tuned for Gender-Randomized Calling
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In a message dated 1/2/01 3:00:48 pm, system-AT-
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writes:

>Will anyone be speaking at the conference about the music per se -
>plenty of
>stuff programmed for history and dancing, but not a lot on the dots
>themselves?
>Paul.
>
>PS Who are the bands?
Yes, Aidan and I are doing a "Playing for Playford" workshop at the 
Conference. (This gives us the chance to meet people such as Robin - who he? 
- Hayden, until now just a name: this will be GOOD.)
The Band on Saturday night is The Broadside Band (led by Jeremy Barlow); and 
the Band for the tea dance on Sunday is Orange and Blue.
                                                Nicolas B., Lanark, Scotland.
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Ric Goldman wrote:  

>With all the discussion about various music software packages, I haven't 
>seen one thing of interest to me.  How are these packages at outputting 
>the musical notation to a file as a graphics (.gif, .jpg, .bmp format, &c) 
>so that the result can be included in a document or posted up on the web?

That's just what NoteWriter does.

Roger Diggle

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Gene Murrow wrote:
> 
> RE: Playford Conference at Cecil Sharp House, London, March 24-25
> 
> Air fares to London are very low right now, so if any Americans would
> like a good excuse to visit England...

Well, Gene, it doesn't take much arm-twisting for me, so I'm now
checking airfares!  Such a fine list of attendees at the conference, how
could I miss it??!

Stephanie
Bethesda, MD
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Subject: that Gene gets around!
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couldn't resist posting this to the list, nabbed on rec-folk-dancing 
newsgroup.  But Gene, isn't that NEFFA weekend?

Mary Beth=======================


>  From: trio-AT-
euronet.nl (Donna Richoux)
>  Subject: English Country Dance day in Belgium
>  Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 22:25:32 +0100
>  Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
>  Message-ID: <1eo653o.e1jtgz1599vurN%trio-AT-
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>
>  I just received this announcement from the folks at AADS in Belgium.
>
>  From: "AADS" <aads.vzw-AT-
pandora.be>
>  Subject: SPRING WORKSHOP
>  Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001
>
>  Spring Workshop
>  English Country dances
>  featuring: Gene Murrow & Belshazzar's Feast
>
>  MALLE [east of Antwerp]  April 22, 2001
>
>
>  For this workshop AADS invited Gene Murrow, who lives near New York
>  (USA), but nonetheless teaches English country dances. He is also an
>  excellent musician, playing the recorder, oboe and concertina. Gene is
>  interested in newly made dances, and during teaching likes to focus on
>  the musical aspect. The English duo Belshazzar's Feast will provide live
>  music. Paul Hutchinson plays the accordion and Paul Sartin plays violin
>  and oboe. Excitement and humour guaranteed!
>
>  Given the nature of the workshop participants should be familiar with
>  the basics of English country dancing. You can bring your own lunch, or
>  you can order a meal (soup, main course, dessert, water, coffee).
>  Vegetarian meals are available. Please indicate your choice on the
>  subscription form.
>
>  VENUE
>  Provinciaal Vormingscentrum (PVC), Smekenstraat 61, 2390 Malle, Belgium.
>
>  WHEN
>  Sunday, 22 April 2001, from 10.45 am till 5.00 pm. Coffee and tea will
>  be served at 10 am.
>
>  COURSE FEE
>  BEF 700. This includes the course fee and coffee/tea in the morning and
>  the afternoon.
>  Meal (non-vegetarian): BEF 345.
>  Meal (vegetarian): BEF 405.
>
>  REGISTRATION
>  Registration in advance (before April 8, 2001) is absolutely necessary:
>  return the registration form to the AADS office and make a deposit to
>  one of our accounts (please mention the course number C2180). Your
>  registration is only valid when the AADS has received your payment.
>  Before that your registration is on a waiting list. There will be no
>  confirmation.
>
>  MAX. 50 PARTICIPANTS !
>  Registration:
>  You should register for courses at least a fortnight before the start of
>  the course, either written or by telephone.
>
>
>  Payment:
>
>  Registration for weekends and weeks should be accompanied by a transfer
>  of the course fee to one of the following bank accounts:
>  - Belgium: 001-2185402-68
>  - The Netherlands: Postbank 7417007
>  - United Kingdom: HSBC, ME 14 1HX
>     40-31-06 31756710   (make checks payable to Luc Blancke)
>  - Germany: Postbank Ludwigshafen
>     2264 87-675 (BLZ 545 100 67)
>  Additional bank charges are at your expense. Please mention the course
>  reference number C2180.
>
>  Your registration is only valid when the AADS has received your payment.
>  Before that your registration is on a waiting list. Payment on arrival
>  only for other countries than Belgium, the Netherlands, United Kingdom
>  and Germany.
>
>  Cancellation: If you cancel until 2 weeks before the start
>  of the course your payment minus 10% is refunded. If you cancel within a
>  fortnight before the start of the course the amount minus 15% costs is
>  refunded. If you do not cancel in advance there is no refund.
>
>
>
>  AADS               Course C2180
>  Spring Workshop
>  REGISTRATION FORM
>
>  Name:
>
>  Address:
>
>
>  Phone:
>
>  Other adults:
>
>  adults x 700 BEF                     =
>  meals (non veg.) x 345 BEF      =
>  meals (veg.)  x  405  BEF          =
>  Total           BEF
>  Payment:        o  cheque enclosed
>                          o  deposit
>                          o  on arrival (only from countries other than
>  Belgium, the Netherlands,  United Kingdom and Germany)
>  Date:
>
>
>  Anglo-American Dance Service vzw
>  Resedastraat 8
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now, Michael if you care to send a test message for us :-)
Dianna

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>
> > For some reason when I try to read the messages from Michael Barraclough
> the
> > computer tries to start downloading a program.  Is anyone else having
this
> > experience or know what it's all about?
> > Thanks,
> > Dianna
>
>
> Oh dear, we went through all this on the EC mailing list with Michael's
> emails.  I still don't know what it is, but we found out how to fix it, at
> least if you are using Microsoft Outlook Express:
>
> - Go to Tools / Options and click on the "Read" tab.
>
> - choose "International Settings..."
>
> - check the box next to "Use default encoding for all incoming messages"
>
> - click OK as many times as neccesary
>
> This fixed it for me.
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>
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> Ron H
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I feel obliged to mention that my version of Bellamira (published in
"Playford with a Difference" also has two B's.

Colin Hume
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I'll be there, giving a paper, and also doing some of the calling for the
Saturday Evening Ball (with the Broadside Band) and the Sunday Afternoon
Dance (with the Orange and Blue).

Colin Hume
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>From: rlhayden <rlhayden-AT-
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Ed Wilfert recently taught The New Jamaica at our Monday dance.  Terrific
dance  -- Jamaica adapted into a 4 couple longways.  Ed's notes were
collected at Pinewoods, directly from Colin, he thinks.  Is this Colin's
dance?  It's not in Neil's index, nor in any of Colin's books that we
happen to have in stock at CDSS.  Can anyone point me to the directions?
<

It's not my dance; it's the version by Tom Cook.  In England it's become
the standard version; it's well-known, and if a caller said "Let's do
Jamaica" many dancers would form four couple sets without being told.  I
was surprised to discover that it was unknown in the States.  If Tom had
published it I'd suggest you buy the book, but since he hasn't, here are
the instructions:


Jamaica

4 Couples longways     3 & 4 improper     10 x Own tune (16 bar reel)

Beginning and End:

A:     Up a double and back.  That again.
B:     Set and turn single.  That again.

Progressive figure, 4 times through (8 times through the tune):

A1:    Ends give right hands, give left; turn partner half-way.  Same with
neighbour, finishing close to partner.

B1:    Lines fall back a double; lead forward.  Actives (original ends)
half figure eight through nearer end.

A2:    Active men back-to-back.  Active ladies back-to-back.

B2:    Same four two-hand turn active neighbour one and a half (skip
change).  Same four  turn partner half-way and fall back slightly.

John Playford -- Dancing Master 4th Ed, 1670 / Tom Cook

Colin Hume
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Yes, Sharon is correct with her notation for the Tom Cook's version of
Jamaica.

However, some of us do not understand why he turned into a 4 couple
dance in the first place. The 4 couple version is generally the one most
people know on this side of the Pond but some of us call the longways
version out of preference.

Graham


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Wendy and I will be there, especially since Wendy is on the Committee!!

Graham

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NEFFA Weekend is April 20-22, 2001.  There is no conflict with the Playford
Conference, which is March 24-25
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At 10:16 AM 2/2/01 -0500, Pearl, Dan wrote:
>NEFFA Weekend is April 20-22, 2001.  There is no conflict with the Playford
>Conference, which is March 24-25

Yes, but there is a conflict with Gene's weekend gig with Belshazzar's
Feast in Belgium on  April 22.
Too much good stuff going on across that pond, darn it!
Sharon

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More & more interesting...  So who wrote the 4-cu New Jamaica that Mary
Stafford found in the 1990 Boston Ball booklet, the one with the full
figure-8s?  That one looked like a lot of fun, and very much in the Boston
mode (when in doubt, skip...).  Mary, Helene, Chris, any info?

And Robin, which dance was it that Ed Wilfert taught?

Love to all,
Sharon

At 07:13 AM 2/2/01 -0500, Colin Hume wrote:
>>From: rlhayden <rlhayden-AT-
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>Ed Wilfert recently taught The New Jamaica at our Monday dance. 

>It's not my dance; it's the version by Tom Cook.  In England it's become
>the standard version; it's well-known, and if a caller said "Let's do
>Jamaica" many dancers would form four couple sets without being told.  I
>was surprised to discover that it was unknown in the States.  If Tom had
>published it I'd suggest you buy the book, but since he hasn't, here are
>the instructions:
>
>
>Jamaica
>
>4 Couples longways     3 & 4 improper     10 x Own tune (16 bar reel)
>
>Beginning and End:
>
>A:     Up a double and back.  That again.
>B:     Set and turn single.  That again.
>
>Progressive figure, 4 times through (8 times through the tune):
>
>A1:    Ends give right hands, give left; turn partner half-way.  Same with
>neighbour, finishing close to partner.
>
>B1:    Lines fall back a double; lead forward.  Actives (original ends)
>half figure eight through nearer end.
>
>A2:    Active men back-to-back.  Active ladies back-to-back.
>
>B2:    Same four two-hand turn active neighbour one and a half (skip
>change).  Same four  turn partner half-way and fall back slightly.
>
>John Playford -- Dancing Master 4th Ed, 1670 / Tom Cook
>
>Colin Hume

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Hi Friends,
  The Pineland Country Dancers, my mom, and my family are hosting a ECD on March 10th to celebrate Mae Ann Senior's birthday (my mother).  The Dance will be held in a large space in Delran, NJ.  (South Central NJ, just East of Philadelphia, 1.5 hrs drive from NYC)
   Jacqueline Schwab, Earl Gaddis, and Mary Lee will provide the music.
   The dances will be prompted by Scott Higgs and myself (Tom Senior).  We will have fine dances, fine music, and a wonderful time.  Dinner is available. 
    For information, a list of dances, (and instructions if you wish)  or to receive a flier, contact Mae Ann:

   email:   MAEANNSR-AT-
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Phone:  856 - 779-9084

Address:  919 E. Main St.     Maple Shade, NJ     08052

Hope to see many of you there,



Thomas J. Senior
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What a lovely idea and what a lovely invitation.  Thank you so much for
telling us all about it.  I hope many of us can come and honor Mae Ann at
this bash!

Emily L. Ferguson
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Sharon wrote:

>Jamaica (...)
>
>Figure
>A	1-4	Ends take R-h, L-h; (...)
>	5-8	Neighbors take R-h, L-h; ...

Please enlighten me:
What do you do with the hands (or with each other) having taken them?
Martin,
 in Grenoble, France.

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<<I feel obliged to mention that my version of Bellamira (published in
"Playford with a Difference" also has two B's.>>

Bbellamira?

Peace,
Paul



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>Sharon wrote:
>
>>Jamaica (...)
>>
>>Figure
>>A	1-4	Ends take R-h, L-h; (...)
>>	5-8	Neighbors take R-h, L-h; ...
>
>Please enlighten me:
>What do you do with the hands (or with each other) having taken them?

Hang on until you're ready to turn with crossed hand.  Just stand there
clasping first one hand and then the next, don't move until the music tells
you to.

It's not a large movement, but it's fun to make a little something of it -
either making an offering motion at the moment that you both put out your
hands, or some sort of other motion that gets the focus on the hands
deliberately joining.  However, it's always very nice to keep the motion
rhythmical - join Rs (rest), join Ls (rest), lift up your energy level and
turn.

Personally, the showoff methods like slapping the hands together at the
moment you join them, just really turn me off.

There's something deliberate and sedate about the movment.

Oh, goodie.  Here comes the FedEx man with my RAM and CD Burner!!!!

Emily L. Ferguson
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On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Emily L. Ferguson wrote:

[snip}

> Oh, goodie.  Here comes the FedEx man with my RAM and CD Burner!!!!

What -- they even go out _THERE_????!!

Eric

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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 5:58 PM

<<I've recently seen some positive reviews and discussion of "Igor
Engraver",
from Noteheads (http://www.noteheads.com), with some favorable comparisons
with Finale.  It is freeware, currently available on the Mac, with a
recently
announced beta for Windows.>>

Looking at their website, I discover that the Windows version was demoed at
the winter NAMM show a few weeks ago, but it doesn't seem to be available
yet. They do have a Windows Igor Engraver reader available, though.

Peace,
Paul


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On Fri, 02 Feb 2001 13:01:25 -0500 "Emily L. Ferguson" <elf-AT-
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writes:
> Oh, goodie.  Here comes the FedEx man with my RAM and CD Burner!!!!

So, Emily, you're burning your money and living just off your sheep, eh?

Gene

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>So, Emily, you're burning your money and living just off your sheep, eh?

Naw.  The fleece is in a box on the front porch waiting for the birds to
build nests in spring, tra la, and the RAM arrived and I INSTALLED IT, ALL
BY MYSELF!!!!!!!

And the Apple System Profiler says it's there!!!!

Now to run the RAM test on restart and see whether that cut-rate RAM is as
good as though I'd bought it from Apple!!

:-)))

Emily L. Ferguson
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Eric Arnold asked:
"When did the term "poussette" come into usage in this context?  Does Essex
use it in his translation of the French manuals?  (Did we have this
discussion before?)"

The Strathspey List also is discussing the poussette.  The unedited message
below is forwarded with kind permission of its author, Richard Goss.

Pat

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From: Richard Goss [mailto:richard.n.goss-AT-
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Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 11:35 PM
To: Benjamin Stein; strathspey-AT-
tm.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de
Subject: Re: poussette


Sometimes taking a dance term back to its original language can be
misleading as this method causes one to skip over the history of the word
between the original use and the present one.

The OED indicates that as an English word, Poussette from the French means
"to dance round and round with hands joined, as a couple in a country
dance."
-----
The examples given also provide our date for its original use as a dance
term in GB.

1812: Dance Regan! dance, whth Cordelia and Goneril -- Down the middle, up
again, poussette and cross.
1814: Seeing the pretty tremble of her eyelids in a <P>.
1830: The mazes of poussette and right and left.
1839: The motley crowd was happy -- poussetted, chassied [usu. down the
middle & back using slip step], and performed feats.
1847: They gave a rapid poussette like the top and bottom people in Sir
Roger de Coverley [in this case a two handed turn].
1862: The pains he took with her elegant pirouettings and poussettings.
1873: Europe was little edified to see the dance set up by the two aged
popes who poussetted to each other about France and Italy.
-----
The key part of the definition for purposes of making my point is the
dancing "round and round with hands joined." Note, this does not say whether
there are 2 or 4 hands involved as this would allow one arm around the waist
with 2 hands joined as in ballroom position or 2x2 hands joined as with the
RSCDS. The only evidence indicating that this was <<THE>> method comes from
the Blantyre MS which has as much global significance as one of us taking
class notes at a particular time and place -- very rural, conservative as
opposed to urban and continental (the Waltz was already supplanting the
minuet by 1802.

If one looks at the original notes and scores to the RSCDS dances one will
notice that, in the original, there is one poussette, that which we call the
"alround poussette" of which there is a version that only goes half way, our
half poussette. However, what we call the poussette [8 bars] was originally
either an alround pousette in 8 bars, or a half pousette in 4 bars.

From a historical perspective, the poussette was the transitional figure
between the formation country dance and the couple dance of the 19c
ballroom. In the later period,
and leading up to the beginning of the RSCDS, it was done as a waltz (3/4)
or a polka (2/4 or 6/8), depending on the tempo. If one looks at the RSCDS
version from a distance one
will see the following clues to its origins: 1. it is a progression round
the set [ballroom] in an anticlockwise direction as the couples themselves
rotate clockwise, 2. Miss M, for no artistic or choreographic reason that I
can see, insisted that the man changes feet at both ends of the phrase.

As far as I can tell, this had never occurred in any traditional country
dance, prior to Miss M, but was necessary in ball room dances. One RSCDS
traditional reason was given that in this way the man would not step on his
partner's foot. But the Society uses a pas-de-basque step which is also not
traditional, as the current version outwith the Society and in the late 19c,
was a polka step, where this would be necessary. But if one uses the
pas-de-basque and maintains the correct placement of the feet on will be
stricking one's partner's extensions on the jete' at the end of each bar:
e.g. if two dancers, close enough to be holding hands each extend a foot
(man's right, lady's left) into third intermediate aerial low, at a 45
degree angle from the body's orientation, they will collide.

Further evidence of the asynchronicity of this (to be redundant) quijotic
activity can be seen in how our dances were changed from the original notes
right from the beginning:

Petronella with "down & back, poussette" was 1s (sometimes with 2s also)
down and back to second place, poussette with the couple above them. If ones
are in 2s place and they do
our poussette, they will have canceled the progression, but if an alround
poussette, or 2s & 1s polka round each other, the progression is maintained.
An alternate method is to finish the "petronella" figure in 2s place, then
both couple go down and back to end, the couples doing a "two step waltz"
around each other.

This will be found true with all subsequent RSCDS dances as, once our
"poussette" was defined, the Society either made later dances into their
pattern, used a half poussette,
their own all round poussette.


>From the Larousse Dictionary:
>
> poussette(f)...go-cart,; pushchair, stroller (Am)
>
> In other words, the shape of the figure, hand-hold, and body positions are
very descriptive of either a pushchair (I am making the jump to think that
this is one of those old-fashioned chairs-on-wheels, sort of an early
wheel-chair) or stroller for children.  I understand that this use of the
word is only common in France (not in Quebec, for  example) and is
considered old-fashioned....
>
> Adriana Linden
> Montreal, Qc

Thank you Adriana. This really makes the specifics of the figure much more
understandable, both in the English (earlier) and the Scottish (later)
versions. It is interesting that in "Won't You Join the Dance" (which I
believe was written by Miss Milligan, though not formally attributed to her)
the Pousette is described the "old" way, that is the
couples dancing round each other to change places. Evidently the detailed
version we now
dance came later.

Ben Stein

>

Goss
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--- Paul Stamler <pstamler-AT-
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Colin Hume <100116.165-AT-
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> 
> <<I feel obliged to mention that my version of Bellamira (published
> in
> "Playford with a Difference" also has two B's.>>
> 
> Bbellamira?
 

So, two B's, or not two B's?
That is the question.

Barbara (2Bs but not next to each other)

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For those of us who (sigh) won't be there, will the papers be published for
us to read?

Pat

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Wendy and I will be there, especially since Wendy is on the Committee!!

Graham


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Sharon-

Helene, who is usually meticulous, credited it to Colin Hume. Colin, I know you disclaimed any credit for the "other" New Jamaica, but can you set us straight on this?

Mary

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--- "Emily L. Ferguson" <elf-AT-
cape.com> wrote:
>Gene Murrow wrote:
> >So, Emily, you're burning your money and living just off your
> >sheep, eh?
> 
> Naw.  The fleece is in a box on the front porch waiting for
> the birds to build nests in spring, tra la, and the RAM
arrived 
> and I INSTALLED IT, ALL BY MYSELF!!!!!!!
> 

And just where did you install that RAM, Emily? Gene was talking
sheep here...

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--- Sharon Green <mls-AT-
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> At 10:16 AM 2/2/01 -0500, Pearl, Dan wrote:
> >NEFFA Weekend is April 20-22, 2001.  There is no conflict
> >with the Playford Conference, which is March 24-25
> 
> Yes, but there is a conflict with Gene's weekend gig with
> Belshazzar's Feast in Belgium on  April 22.
> Too much good stuff going on across that pond, darn it!
> Sharon
> 

But the swim is much longer across the pond than to Natick.

Andy

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>And Robin, which dance was it that Ed Wilfert taught?

It was the version that Mary posted, the one that begins more or less like the 
longways.  I think we're stymied here until we hear from our sources.  Oh, 
Helene!  Colin?  Quick, before speculation proliferates into lore!


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The week long festival on Jane Austen (about everything you can think of 
including movies and the directors, actors), etc. etc. will be held in 
Madison, Wisconsin April 20-29.

Of interest to the English Country dance community

On Monday April 23, the Madison English Country Dancers will host a 
teaching/refreshers session.

On Saturday April 28,  is a dance/concert with Boston musicians and 
recording artists,  Jacqueline Schwab and Earl Gaddis of Bare Necessities 
with Daron Douglas
Music, dancing and refreshments.
Monona Terrace, downtown Madison (8 p.m.) $10

On  Sunday April 29
A Celebration of Jane Austen
Emily Auerbach, narration; Sybil Robinson, readings;
Amy McFarland, piano; Maria Terres, fiddle:
with English country dancers,
Stoughton Opera House, 381 E. Main St., Stoughton (7:30 p.m.) $10

Check out the website for detailed schedule, and registration forms

http://www.humanities.wisc.edu/festival/introduction.html

Mike Mudrey
106 Ravine Road
Mount Horeb, WI53572-1930
608-437-3701

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In a message dated 3/2/01 3:00:49 pm, Emily writes:

>The fleece is in a box on the front porch waiting for the birds to
>build nests in spring, tra la, and the RAM arrived and I INSTALLED IT,
>ALL
>BY MYSELF!!!!!!!
>
>And the Apple System Profiler says it's there!!!!
>
>Now to run the RAM test on restart and see whether that cut-rate RAM is
>as
>good as though I'd bought it from Apple!!

Glad to hear of at least one sane Apple person across the pond!
                                                            Nicolas.
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At 7:02 PM -0500 2/3/01, SallenNic-AT-
aol.com wrote:
>Glad to hear of at least one sane Apple person across the pond!


Make that two - also with a heap o'Ram and a fairly recent CD burner. 
Love mine -- just used it to prepare a "portfolio" of web pages/sites 
for a job interview.  Remember when portfolios were black leather 
things?  I felt very tech-able when I handed this CEO my disk.

Anyhoo, working away on my G3 laptop, alongside a G4.

Mary Beth <-- macs rule!
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At 09:59 AM 1/2/01 -0600, you wrote:
>CBS/GRIM writes:
> >
> > This lurker in the shadows of your list has a request. The "abc" you are
> > referring to - what is it? Is there software (no-one has specified a site
> > or program) or is it a musician's shorthand you need musical knowledge 
> to use?
> >
> > If someone would enlighten me I would be very grateful - off-list is OK.
>
>    ABC is a format for encoding music using plain text.  You can find out
>more at the following websites: (and many other responses)

Thank you all for the response and information - I appreciate the attention 
my question has been given by you all. The on-line ECD community has 
fulfilled my expectations and not only with directions to the information I 
sought!

After a year of receiving the list's correspondence, I can tell how much 
enjoyment you all get from ECD - and each other. I have come to know the 
group a little, and enhanced my scant knowledge of the dances. The on-line 
atmosphere is warm and supportive, just as it was in my brief brush with 
ECD folk here in Australia.

Since there is no ECD to speak of in my city, my experience has been 
limited to two weekends of "workshops" - firstly as an elective at a 
special interest conference I attended a few years ago - I was immediately 
hooked - and then one run by a visiting tutor, attended by (mostly) SCD 
enthusiasts (and I'm not yet a participant in that genre, either, although 
it's much more available here in Brisbane).

So thanks again for your help. I will soon be tootling tunes on my 
recorder, I'm sure - everyone has said how simple the abc method is! I have 
high hopes ... and now I will return to lurking round the doorway of the 
dance hall, peeking in with envy at you folk who are lucky enough to have 
someone to dance with!

Regards,

Ruth Grim.

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<font size=3>At 09:59 AM 1/2/01 -0600, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>CBS/GRIM writes:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; This lurker in the shadows of your list has a request. The
&quot;abc&quot; you are <br>
&gt; referring to - what is it? Is there software (no-one has specified a
site <br>
&gt; or program) or is it a musician's shorthand you need musical
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&gt; <br>
&gt; If someone would enlighten me I would be very grateful - off-list is
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Thank you all for the response and information - I appreciate the
attention my question has been given by you all. The on-line ECD
community has fulfilled my expectations and not only with directions to
the information I sought! <br>
<br>
After a year of receiving the list's correspondence, I can tell how much
enjoyment you all get from ECD - and each other. I have come to know the
group a little, and enhanced my scant knowledge of the dances. The
on-line atmosphere is warm and supportive, just as it was in my brief
brush with ECD folk here in Australia.<br>
<br>
Since there is no ECD to speak of in my city, my experience has been
limited to two weekends of &quot;workshops&quot; - firstly as an elective
at a special interest conference I attended a few years ago - I was
immediately hooked - and then one run by a visiting tutor, attended by
(mostly) SCD enthusiasts (and I'm not yet a participant in that genre,
either, although it's much more available here in Brisbane).<br>
<br>
So thanks again for your help. I will soon be tootling tunes on my
recorder, I'm sure - everyone has said how simple the abc method is! I
have high hopes ... and now I will return to lurking round the doorway of
the dance hall, peeking in with envy at you folk who are lucky enough to
have someone to dance with!<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Ruth Grim.<br>
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Ruth
You must come to Haslway for the holiday of a lifetime!
see www.halswaymanor.co.uk or listen to the CD samples.
Regards Alan
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    Subject: Re: Music software
    
    
    At 09:59 AM 1/2/01 -0600, you wrote:
    
        CBS/GRIM writes:
        > 
        > This lurker in the shadows of your list has a request. The "abc" you are 
        > referring to - what is it? Is there software (no-one has specified a site 
        > or program) or is it a musician's shorthand you need musical knowledge to use?
        > 
        > If someone would enlighten me I would be very grateful - off-list is OK.
        
           ABC is a format for encoding music using plain text.  You can find out
        more at the following websites: (and many other responses)
    
    Thank you all for the response and information - I appreciate the attention my question has been given by you all. The on-line ECD community has fulfilled my expectations and not only with directions to the information I sought! 
    
    After a year of receiving the list's correspondence, I can tell how much enjoyment you all get from ECD - and each other. I have come to know the group a little, and enhanced my scant knowledge of the dances. The on-line atmosphere is warm and supportive, just as it was in my brief brush with ECD folk here in Australia.
    
    Since there is no ECD to speak of in my city, my experience has been limited to two weekends of "workshops" - firstly as an elective at a special interest conference I attended a few years ago - I was immediately hooked - and then one run by a visiting tutor, attended by (mostly) SCD enthusiasts (and I'm not yet a participant in that genre, either, although it's much more available here in Brisbane).
    
    So thanks again for your help. I will soon be tootling tunes on my recorder, I'm sure - everyone has said how simple the abc method is! I have high hopes ... and now I will return to lurking round the doorway of the dance hall, peeking in with envy at you folk who are lucky enough to have someone to dance with!
    
    Regards,
    
    Ruth Grim.


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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>Ruth</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT 
color=#0000ff size=2>You must come to Haslway for the holiday of a 
lifetime!</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT 
color=#0000ff size=2>see <A 
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CD samples.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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    </B>CBS/GRIM &lt;<A 
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    href="mailto:ECD-AT-
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PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU</A> 
    &lt;<A 
    href="mailto:ECD-AT-
PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU">ECD-AT-
PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU</A>&gt;<BR><B>Date: 
    </B>05 February 2001 01:27<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: Music 
    software<BR><BR></DIV></FONT><FONT size=3>At 09:59 AM 1/2/01 -0600, you 
    wrote:<BR>
    <BLOCKQUOTE cite type = cite>CBS/GRIM writes:<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; This 
        lurker in the shadows of your list has a request. The &quot;abc&quot; 
        you are <BR>&gt; referring to - what is it? Is there software (no-one 
        has specified a site <BR>&gt; or program) or is it a musician's 
        shorthand you need musical knowledge to use?<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; If someone 
        would enlighten me I would be very grateful - off-list is 
        OK.<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; ABC is a format for encoding music using plain 
        text.&nbsp; You can find out<BR>more at the following websites: (and 
        many other responses)</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Thank you all for the response 
    and information - I appreciate the attention my question has been given by 
    you all. The on-line ECD community has fulfilled my expectations and not 
    only with directions to the information I sought! <BR><BR>After a year of 
    receiving the list's correspondence, I can tell how much enjoyment you all 
    get from ECD - and each other. I have come to know the group a little, and 
    enhanced my scant knowledge of the dances. The on-line atmosphere is warm 
    and supportive, just as it was in my brief brush with ECD folk here in 
    Australia.<BR><BR>Since there is no ECD to speak of in my city, my 
    experience has been limited to two weekends of &quot;workshops&quot; - 
    firstly as an elective at a special interest conference I attended a few 
    years ago - I was immediately hooked - and then one run by a visiting tutor, 
    attended by (mostly) SCD enthusiasts (and I'm not yet a participant in that 
    genre, either, although it's much more available here in 
    Brisbane).<BR><BR>So thanks again for your help. I will soon be tootling 
    tunes on my recorder, I'm sure - everyone has said how simple the abc method 
    is! I have high hopes ... and now I will return to lurking round the doorway 
    of the dance hall, peeking in with envy at you folk who are lucky enough to 
    have someone to dance with!<BR><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>Ruth 
Grim.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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At 01:58 AM 5/2/01 +0000, you wrote:
>Ruth
>You must come to Haslway for the holiday of a lifetime!
>see <http://www.halswaymanor.co.uk>www.halswaymanor.co.uk or listen to the 
>CD samples.
>Regards Alan

Oh dear! Viewing the photo is as close as I will get - and hearing the 
music! *Everything* is too far away from  down under! Have a great time 
there, everyone else.
The envious
Ruth

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: CBS/GRIM <<mailto:grimmac-AT-
big.net.au>grimmac-AT-
big.net.au>
>>To: <mailto:ECD-AT-
PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>ECD-AT-
PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU 
>><<mailto:ECD-AT-
PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>ECD-AT-
PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
>>Date: 05 February 2001 01:27
>>Subject: Re: Music software
>>
>>At 09:59 AM 1/2/01 -0600, you wrote:
>>>CBS/GRIM writes:
>>> >
>>> > This lurker in the shadows of your list has a request. The "abc" you are
>>> > referring to - what is it? Is there software (no-one has specified a 
>>> site
>>> > or program) or is it a musician's shorthand you need musical 
>>> knowledge to use?
>>> >
>>> > If someone would enlighten me I would be very grateful - off-list is OK.
>>>
>>>    ABC is a format for encoding music using plain text.  You can find out
>>>more at the following websites: (and many other responses)
>>
>>Thank you all for the response and information - I appreciate the 
>>attention my question has been given by you all. The on-line ECD 
>>community has fulfilled my expectations and not only with directions to 
>>the information I sought!
>>
>>After a year of receiving the list's correspondence, I can tell how much 
>>enjoyment you all get from ECD - and each other. I have come to know the 
>>group a little, and enhanced my scant knowledge of the dances. The 
>>on-line atmosphere is warm and supportive, just as it was in my brief 
>>brush with ECD folk here in Australia.
>>
>>Since there is no ECD to speak of in my city, my experience has been 
>>limited to two weekends of "workshops" - firstly as an elective at a 
>>special interest conference I attended a few years ago - I was 
>>immediately hooked - and then one run by a visiting tutor, attended by 
>>(mostly) SCD enthusiasts (and I'm not yet a participant in that genre, 
>>either, although it's much more available here in Brisbane).
>>
>>So thanks again for your help. I will soon be tootling tunes on my 
>>recorder, I'm sure - everyone has said how simple the abc method is! I 
>>have high hopes ... and now I will return to lurking round the doorway of 
>>the dance hall, peeking in with envy at you folk who are lucky enough to 
>>have someone to dance with!
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Ruth Grim.

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<font size=3>At 01:58 AM 5/2/01 +0000, you wrote:<br>
</font><blockquote type=cite cite><font size=2 color="#0000FF"><b>Ruth</b></font><font size=3><br>
</font><font size=2 color="#0000FF"><b>You must come to Haslway for the
holiday of a lifetime!</b></font><font size=3><br>
</font><font size=2 color="#0000FF"><b>see
<a href="http://www.halswaymanor.co.uk">www.halswaymanor.co.uk</a> or
listen to the CD samples.</b></font><font size=3><br>
</font><font size=2 color="#0000FF"><b>Regards
Alan</b></font></blockquote><br>
Oh dear! Viewing the photo is as close as I will get - and hearing the
music! *Everything* is too far away from&nbsp; down under! Have a great
time there, everyone else.<br>
The envious<br>
Ruth<br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite><blockquote type=cite cite><font face="arial" size=2><b>-----Original
Message-----</b><br>
<b>From: </b>CBS/GRIM
&lt;<a href="mailto:grimmac-AT-
big.net.au">grimmac-AT-
big.net.au</a>&gt;<br>
<b>To:
</b><a href="mailto:ECD-AT-
PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU">ECD-AT-
PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU</a>
&lt;<a href="mailto:ECD-AT-
PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU">ECD-AT-
PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>05 February 2001 01:27<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: Music software<br>
<br>
</font><font size=3>At 09:59 AM 1/2/01 -0600, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>CBS/GRIM writes:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; This lurker in the shadows of your list has a request. The
&quot;abc&quot; you are <br>
&gt; referring to - what is it? Is there software (no-one has specified a
site <br>
&gt; or program) or is it a musician's shorthand you need musical
knowledge to use?<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; If someone would enlighten me I would be very grateful - off-list is
OK.<br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; ABC is a format for encoding music using plain text.&nbsp;
You can find out<br>
more at the following websites: (and many other
responses)</blockquote><br>
Thank you all for the response and information - I appreciate the
attention my question has been given by you all. The on-line ECD
community has fulfilled my expectations and not only with directions to
the information I sought! <br>
<br>
After a year of receiving the list's correspondence, I can tell how much
enjoyment you all get from ECD - and each other. I have come to know the
group a little, and enhanced my scant knowledge of the dances. The
on-line atmosphere is warm and supportive, just as it was in my brief
brush with ECD folk here in Australia.<br>
<br>
Since there is no ECD to speak of in my city, my experience has been
limited to two weekends of &quot;workshops&quot; - firstly as an elective
at a special interest conference I attended a few years ago - I was
immediately hooked - and then one run by a visiting tutor, attended by
(mostly) SCD enthusiasts (and I'm not yet a participant in that genre,
either, although it's much more available here in Brisbane).<br>
<br>
So thanks again for your help. I will soon be tootling tunes on my
recorder, I'm sure - everyone has said how simple the abc method is! I
have high hopes ... and now I will return to lurking round the doorway of
the dance hall, peeking in with envy at you folk who are lucky enough to
have someone to dance with!<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Ruth Grim.</font></blockquote></blockquote></html>

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I'm addressing this message to Philippe Callens on the list, because for
some reason I was blocked from accessing his private e-mail.

Philippe, thanks so much for the dance--I got it i the mail last week. I
enjoyed your calling in Baltimore on New Year's Day too. Hope you get
back here before too long!

Dawn Culbertson
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Alan wrote:
>    Ruth You must come to Haslway for the holiday of a  lifetime! see
>www.halswaymanor.co.uk ...

I'd heard of Halsway, and looked at their web site, but didn't find any
info about ECD events.  
Where can I learn about dancing dates there (thinking of next summer
holiday) rather than merely info about the building?  It sounds like a nice
place for a get-together.
Martin,
 in Grenoble, France.

 http://perso.wanadoo.fr/scots.in.france/scd.htm     
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I recently got a Compaq Pressario computer and after about a week got my
sound system operating (I needed new speakers). The music "sampler"
included stunned me. There are 15 bands and they include the music for
Jack's Health and John Tallis' Canon as well as Dance With My Daddy
(Northumbria), two Scottish songs, a bagpipe selection and the
Adirondack Folk Song-the Days of '49. The other bands are not bad
either. Could anyone tell me who put this selection together? His (or
her) choice of music could make him (or her) my twin.

Ben Stein
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Mary Beth wrote-

 >>Glad to hear of at least one sane Apple person across the pond!
 >
 >Make that two - also with a heap o'Ram and a fairly recent CD
 >burner.
 >...
 >Anyhoo, working away on my G3 laptop, alongside a G4.
 >
 >Mary Beth <-- macs rule!

Certainly more than two! I've done a fair amount of hardware
tinkering on my Macs (RAM, G3 upgrade on an early PowerMac, MIDI,
etc.) although I'm not setting fire to CDs yet. I've animated
Morris dances on them and taught them every tune I know.

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Hi all,

Thanks to all of you who took up the invitation to discuss music software
for sending dance tunes along with e-mail.  Here's a summary of what I've
learned:

1)  There are a number of free programs which will handle elementary
levels of music notation, some apparently easier to use and more competent
for basic entry of music than the freebie which I came across, Finale
Notepad.

2) For various amounts of money, from perhaps $20(USD) or so up to 700
Great Britain pounds, you can get quite a variety of notation programs
with different capabilities.  Some are regarded as being easier to use
than others; some will output in a variety of formats, including PDF,
graphic, and web-file, and these are potentially useful for including in
other documents, transmitting to others, or posting on web pages.  People
who spend the big bucks tend to go for the programs which provide the
specific features that they need, it would appear (surprise).  

3) Those who have notation programs for notation purposes mostly seem to
have found something that is sufficiently satisfactory that there isn't
much interest in learning a free but unfamiliar program.  It wasn't always
clear from the respondents whether they had a need to transfer music files
over e-mail or not.  

4) Of those who were interested in transfer of music files electronically, 
abc was the generally preferred method.  Software for working with abc to
& from notation and MIDI is available from a number of sources on the web
and much of it appears to be free or shareware with nominal regristration
fees.  Programs are available for quite a variety of platforms, but there
a number of programs are available only for very specific platforms.

Standards for abc files are evolving but are not universally established
yet.  Encoding of complicated scores is in principle possible but
standards for many details are not established, limiting the complexity of
what can practically be exchanged.  For simple tunes such as most of the
tunes for ECD, however, this is probably no more a problem than the
limitations of simple notation programs such as Finale Notepad and others,
and the file transfer, being in plain text, is possible within an e-mail
message.  

Musicians comfortable with alternate notations may learn to play
directly from abc notation, at least in simpler cases.  Being comfortable
with computers and downloading and installing programs from various &
sundry sources is necessary to take full advantage of abc, but it is
possible to encode & decode without computer help at all, at least in
simple cases, by those who have the basic rules in their heads.

5) Two respondees, Paul Stamler and Orly Krasner (Thank you!), went to the
trouble of downloading Finale Notepad, and trying it out.  Paul reported
severe limitations with the format and some limitations in editing
capabilities which he felt made this program inferior to other free
notation programs available.  Orly entered some tunes & sent me one as an
attachment.  

6) I was able to open Orly's tune without difficulty, in both Finale
Notepad and in Finale 2001 (their current version).  The appearance was
quite acceptable; no obvious formatting difficulties at least with this
example, which was a simple 16-bar tune.  No difference in appearance
between teh freebie program and the fancy one.  Either one could print it
out without any difficulty, and the results looked quite good.

The file size for Orly's tune was 4.45KB, which I thought was reasonably
efficient.  She also sent instructions for a dance, in Microsoft Word.
The dance instructions were not complicated -- no extensive descriptions
of unusual moves, just mostly single-line instructions for each four
-measure subsection (two took one and a half lines), for a total of ten
lines of instruction.  One line describing the set.  One for title, one
for credit, one for dedication.  Total file size: 19.5KB.

My conclusions are:

A) Finale Notepad works well as a receiver of music files in Finale's
format.  It is much simpler than abc or MIDI, at least in my experience,
to get from the file to printed output.  It apparently can handle very
complex files created with other programs in the same file format.
Downloading and installing is straightforward and free.

B) Finale Notepad is adequate for very simple notation jobs and produces
reasonably compact files which can be sent as attachments to e-mail, but
which can't be sent as text.  It is severely limited in its notational and
formatting capabilities, and may be more difficult to learn and more
cumbersome to use for notational purposes than other available free
notation programs.

C) No other complete solution for music file transfer surfaced in this
go-around.  Some other suggestions made were either available only for
Macintosh (which I couldn't try, not being a Mac user) or were not
generally available yet for Windows.  No other specific transfer trials
were proposed and so no others were made.  I did independent MIDI
transfers successfully, and I have used abc in the past, but without the
benefit of interpreting programs on my end.

Bottom line:  anyone whose purposes can be handled by Final Notepad can
send, as an e-mail attachment, a music file to anyone else who can
download Finale Notepad, which is available for Windows & Mac versions.
Furthermore, anyone who has a more sophisticated version of Coda Music's
notation programs (Print Music, Allegro, or Finale) can send a file as an
attachment to anyone with F. Notepad.  File encoding is reasonably
efficient for recent Coda Music versions; older versions produce bigger
files which however still can be read by F. Notepad.  If you need
something to run under Unix or its variants, abc or MIDI are better bets.

Eric Arnold
Ann Arbor




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Hi folks:

Meanwhile, I also downloaded and tried Melody Assistant, on Michael
Barraclough's suggestion. At first try it seems like a remarkably powerful
system, albeit with a steep learning curve in some ways. But I was somewhat
put off by their description of the free-download version as "complete". It
is complete -- provided you're writing in 4:4 time and the key of C.
Anything else is verboten. A little truth-in-labeling would be welcomed
here.

Anyway, if I'm feeling flush I *may* spring the US$18 for the registered
version -- it seems to be capable of an awful lot.

Peace,
Paul

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Eric Arnold <eba-AT-
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> ... For various amounts of money, from perhaps $20(USD) or so up to 700
Great 
> Britain pounds...

In the midst of a discussion of how to represent music in a form that
emailers can transport, Eric illustrates the difficulty of representing
currency symbols in a form that emailers can transport. Delicious!  (It's
concurrent, by the way, with a discussion on the Scottish dance list of how
to represent accented characters)

Fortunately, currency symbols are well-settled. ISO standard 4217
(<http://www.egt.ie/standards/iso4217/input.html>, or ask your favorite
search engine) gives 3-letter abbreviations for each country's currency. I
suspect Eric already knows this -- at least USD and GBP -- but I point it
out here because (a) it does solve a useful problem, (b) browsing the list
is a reminder of how big the world is (and the changes over time are *very*
interesting, as countries appear and disappear), and (c) I've waited years
for a chance to weave "ISO 4217" into a conversation.

  -Bruce

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I well remember doing the 4 couple version of Jamaica at Francis Worrall
club in Barnstaple, MA the second time I went to the States. That must
have been 1995 I think. Francis said that he had been doing it that way
for sometime although he had a slight modification. If memory serves me
correctly he had the back-to-backs with corners in groups of 4 at the
ends of the set.

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Several years ago, in a callers' or choreographers' workshop at
English-American Week at Buffalo Gap, one of the participants did a
four-couple version of Jamaica.  My recollection is that it was very
closely based on the longways double-progression version that is familiar
in the US.  Unfortunately, I don't recall at the moment which year or
whose class or who introduced it.  

I do remember feeling that while it worked very smoothly as a four-couple
dance, that it (and other four-couple dances which use top-bottom symmetry
in the progression) felt, after two times through, that we were already
repeating the dance, because I was doing exactly the same figures with the
same people that I had done them with two times before.  

I think if this progression is used, then it helps to keep the dance
interesting if the non-progressive figures break this top-bottom symmetry
and involve all four couples in ways that mix up the interactions more.

(By top-bottom symmetry, I mean any figures in which what the bottom
couples do is either a mirror image, in a line through the middle across
the set, or a rotation about the center of the set, of what the top
couples are doing.)

Eric Arnold

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 Dear Friends,

 Those of you within driving distance of Boston might be interested in our
annual  Valentine's day party dance on Wednesday Feb. 14, 7:30 to 10:30 at
the Park Avenue Church in Arlington. (For directions see
http://www.cds-boston.org/pacc_dirs.html)

In selecting dances for the program, Jacqueline Schwab writes" I am not
emphasizing dances with "Love" in the title but instead  looking for
romantic, beautiful dances with good music and also some more exciting ones
to balance out the evening."

If your group is running a similar event, I'd love to hear about your program.

Best,
 Terry


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All are welcome to Halsway Folk Dance Group's St Valentine's Dance on Saturday 17th February, 2001. We have the well known John Chapman calling with "Jigs for Gigs" providing the music. It will start 7.45 - 11.30 at Richard Huish College South Rd Taunton Somerset UK. Tickets £4.50 in advance from me or £5.50 on the door. Teas & coffees available.
Alan Corkett Greengarth Mill La Nether Stowey Somerset TA5 1NL UK. Tel -01278 73202 

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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>All are welcome to Halsway Folk Dance 
Group's St Valentine's Dance on Saturday 17th February, 2001. We have the well 
known John Chapman calling with &quot;Jigs for Gigs&quot; providing the music. 
It will start 7.45 - 11.30 at Richard Huish College South Rd Taunton Somerset 
UK. Tickets &pound;4.50 in advance from me or &pound;5.50 on the door. Teas 
&amp; coffees available.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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All are welcome to Halsway Folk Dance Group's St Valentine's Dance on Saturday 17th February, 2001. We have the well known John Chapman calling with "Jigs for Gigs" providing the music. It will start 7.45 - 11.30 at Richard Huish College South Rd Taunton Somerset UK. Tickets £4.50 in advance from me or £5.50 on the door. Teas & coffees available.
Alan Corkett Greengarth Mill La Nether Stowey Somerset TA5 1NL UK. Tel -01278 732202 (Previously incorrect telephone number- sorry!) 

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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>All are welcome to Halsway Folk Dance 
Group's St Valentine's Dance on Saturday 17th February, 2001. We have the well 
known John Chapman calling with &quot;Jigs for Gigs&quot; providing the music. 
It will start 7.45 - 11.30 at Richard Huish College South Rd Taunton Somerset 
UK. Tickets &pound;4.50 in advance from me or &pound;5.50 on the door. Teas 
&amp; coffees available.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#800000 face="" size=2>Alan Corkett Greengarth Mill La 
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To all English dance types in the Baltimore-Washington area:

Please note that Dawn Culbertson will be calling the dance at St. Mark's
on the Hill next Monday, Feb. 12, instead of Rich Galloway. Carl Friedman
(fiddle) and Francine Krasowska (piano) will still be proving the music.


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Oops! I meant to say,  PROVIDING the music--these musicians don't have
anything to prove...

Dawn
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Hi Guys
STOP PRESS
I have set up a special do for those who remember David Kettlewell, musicologist, dulcimer banger, clarinetist, harp, harpsichord, guitar, etc, etc.
He went to Scandinavia over 20 years ago and is visiting England to address a conference at Canterbury.
I have persuaded him to come and spend a few days at Halsway Manor in April immediately after the conference.  We are calling it a "house party", with sessions in the morning and evening and free afternoons. 
DATES It will run from the dinner on Monday the 2nd April through to breakfast on Friday the 6th April. 
CHARGES The charge will be £120 for those sharing in the 4/5 large bedrooms, £127 for twins/doubles and £135 for singles. En-suites are surcharged at £5 per person per night.
DAILY charges are £19.50 including lunch and morning and afternoon refreshments.
See attached initial flyer with application form, programme to follow.
Regards Al