Archive-Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 06:19:44 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 09:26:50 -0500 From: Helene Cornelius Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Hudson Barn II To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <000201c073fe$851c84a0$f5f86ed1-AT- helene> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ny1BZwAZRQuO8r/FCD5KNw)" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_ny1BZwAZRQuO8r/FCD5KNw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT The Country Dance Society, Boston Centre has just published "Hudson Barn II", instructions and tunes for 17 dances composed by people associated with the Boston Centre. The dances include the ten originally published (1980) in "Hudson Barn", plus seven new ones. The CDSS carries this book! You may also order it with a U.S. check for $9.00 (including postage) made out to "CDS Boston Centre", mailed to: CDS, Boston Centre PMB 282 1770 Massachusetts Avenue Cambridge MA 02140 --Boundary_(ID_ny1BZwAZRQuO8r/FCD5KNw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
The Country Dance Society, Boston Centre has just published "Hudson Barn II", instructions and tunes for 17 dances composed by people associated with the Boston Centre.  The dances include the ten originally published (1980) in "Hudson Barn", plus seven new ones.  The CDSS carries this book!  You may also order it with a U.S. check for $9.00 (including postage) made out to "CDS Boston Centre", mailed to:
 
CDS, Boston Centre
PMB 282
1770 Massachusetts Avenue
Cambridge MA 02140
--Boundary_(ID_ny1BZwAZRQuO8r/FCD5KNw)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 11:43:59 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 14:39:15 -0500 From: Allison M Thompson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Ding Dong Merrily On High To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20010101.143916.-1903467.1.AllisonThompson-AT- juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Help! What are the words to this carol? Thanks Allison ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 12:29:34 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 12:31:11 -0800 From: Kimberly McKittrick Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Ding Dong Merrily On High To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3A50E90E.C4BD3F59-AT- concentric.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <20010101.143916.-1903467.1.AllisonThompson-AT- juno.com> I couldn't quite remember all of the lyrics, so went to google.com for a link to find the rest. There are quite a few carol sites around... Kimberly Ding dong merrily on high, In heav'n the bells are ringing: Ding dong verily the sky Is riv'n with angel singing. Gloria, Hosanna in excelsis! E'en so here below, below, Let steeple bells be swungen, And "Io, io, io!" By priest and people sungen. Refrain Pray you, dutifully prime Your matin chime, ye ringers. May you beautifully rime Your evetime song, ye singers. Refrain Allison M Thompson wrote: > > Help! What are the words to this carol? > > Thanks > > Allison ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 12:52:34 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 15:52:19 -0500 (EST) From: Jbrodie1750-AT- aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: a bit of good news for the new year.... To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <74.67ba755.27839983-AT- aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_esWepbhoMnoYSDm2fwvtUQ)" --Boundary_(ID_esWepbhoMnoYSDm2fwvtUQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Dear ECD List, At the beginning of this school year I requested money from a local educational foundation to hire an ECD scholar/performer to help coach some of my Fourth Grade public school students through the intricacies of English Country Dance and music. One question on the grant application asked : In what way is this project innovative or creative?"...to which I answered: English Country Dance Music is a repertoire that is rarely taught to public school string students. Usually these students study a more "classical" rather than "folk" repertoire. Because of this "classical" emphasis, students rarely have the opportunity to do what folk musicians do frequently: play music for dancers From my own personal experience as a performing musician, I can vouch for the fact that playing music for dancers is one of the most fulfilling, challenging and enriching experiences that a musician can have. The Fourth Grade students who play this music for their fellow Fourth Grade dancing friends will experience much earlier in their lives than most string players what it means to be a dance musician. Students who participate in the dances, on the other hand, will have the experience of performing folk dance with "live" music. This experience, too, is rarely offered in the general music class simply because the resources for such an experience are not there. This proposed project makes this resource available." The bit of good news is that the educational foundation believed what I wrote above, and just informed me that they will fund the grant! I will keep you all informed .... Sincerely, Jonathan Brodie Whitefish Bay (WI) Public Schools --Boundary_(ID_esWepbhoMnoYSDm2fwvtUQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Dear ECD List,

At the beginning of this school year I requested money from a local
educational foundation to hire an ECD scholar/performer to help coach some of
my Fourth Grade public school students through the intricacies of English
Country Dance and music.   One question on the grant application asked : In
what way is this project innovative or creative?"...to which I answered:

English Country Dance Music is a repertoire that is rarely taught to public
school string students.  Usually these students study a more "classical"
rather than "folk" repertoire.  Because of this "classical" emphasis,
students rarely have the opportunity to do what folk musicians do frequently:
play music for dancers   From my own personal experience as a performing
musician, I can vouch for the fact that playing music for dancers is one of
the most fulfilling, challenging and enriching experiences that a musician
can have.  The Fourth Grade students who play this music for their  fellow
Fourth Grade dancing friends will experience much earlier in their lives than
most string players what it means to be a dance musician.
    Students who participate in the dances, on the other hand, will have the
experience of performing folk dance with "live" music.  This experience, too,
is rarely offered in the general music class simply because the resources for
such an experience are not there.  This proposed project makes this resource
available."

The bit of good news is that the educational foundation believed what I wrote
above, and just informed me that they will fund the grant!

I will keep you all informed ....

Sincerely,

Jonathan Brodie
Whitefish Bay (WI) Public Schools
--Boundary_(ID_esWepbhoMnoYSDm2fwvtUQ)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 17:17:59 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 17:14:37 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Historical costume resources To: ecd-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01JYH8DWVMYC9OFC57-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT ECDers -- There was a question late last year about where to get historical costume for English Country Dance. I made a few recommendations from personal experience; there were some other suggestions. I've just run across the most comprehensive listing of historical ready-to-wear I've ever seen. (I can't vouch for how good all these vendors are, but this is more vendors listed than I've seen in one place.) http://www.gbacg.org/rtw.htm is the page maintained by the Greater Bay Area Costumers' Guild of ready-to-wear historical costume for a wide range of periods including 1650-present. Hope this helps! -- Alan PS: GBACG is a CDSS affiliate organization and sponsors English country dancing through the Bay Area English Regency Society. No money has changed hands for this unsolicited testimonial. -- APW =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA 94309-0210 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 01:13:52 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 03:13:27 -0600 From: Paul Stamler Subject: Olde Christmas Grand Dance - St. Louis, 1/6/01 To: ecd list Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <00a001c0762e$99e3f300$044e4b0c-AT- paulstam> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi folks: One last reminder that the St. Louis English Country Dancers are having their Olde Christmas Grand Dance on Saturday, Jan. 6th, 2001, from 8-11pm at the Focal Point Traditional Arts Center, 2720 S. Sutton Blvd., in Maplewood, MO. The caller will be Peter Wollenberg, and the music will be provided by The Original Speckled Band. Cost is $10/person, $19/couple, $20/family. Fancy dress (your definition) is encouraged, and please bring some snacks to share, keeping in mind that there are no facilities for cooking or heating things up. For more information or directions, please call Paul at 314-664-9207, or e-mail me at this address. Peace, Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 11:35:56 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 13:45:29 -0500 From: sol weber Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: An amazing offer for "English" devotees To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20010104.143220.-193963.2.solweber-AT- juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_JHZ0k7+FsW8LpU4b+pQoCQ)" This message is in MIME format. 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contemplate opening anything attached to an email like this, even if it does come in from a reputable e-list. Sorry Ron H ----- Original Message ----- From: sol weber To: Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 6:45 PM Subject: An amazing offer for "English" devotees > > Yep, an amazing offer aimed at the English faction. Safe to open. > > Sol > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 19:57:38 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 22:57:28 -0500 (EST) From: ACFerg-AT- cs.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Boston Playford Ball on March 3 To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Dear Felow ECDers, Here is the announcement for this year's Boston Playford Ball. At the bottom is a form that can be printed out and used for registration. I hope we will see many of you there. Best regards, Arthur Ferguson Framingham, MA -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Country Dance Society, Boston Centre, Presents The Twenty First Annual BOSTON PLAYFORD BALL Saturday, March 3, 2001 * 8:00 PM to Midnight at Monument Hall, Concord, Massachusetts Helene Cornelius, Mistress of Ceremonies Music by Bare Necessities Afternoon Workshop: Leaders: Brad Foster Monument Hall Jacqueline Schwab 1:30-4:30 PM Musicians: Amy Cann Roberta Sutter PROGRAM All Saints' Day * Barham Down * Dick's Maggot * Fain I Would * The Haymakers * Heartsease * The Introduction * Leather Lake House * Love and a Bottle * The Merry, Merry Milkmaids * The Merry Salopians (aka The Old Mill) * Michael and All Angels * Mrs. Pomeroy's Pavane * O, Susato * The Punch Bowl * Rose of Sharon * Sellenger's Round * Slaughter House * Slof Galliard * Up With Aily * Winter Solstice COST PER PERSON $24.00 for registrations postmarked on or before January 14, 2001 $28.00 for registrations postmarked after January 14, 2001 MAKE A WEEKEND OF IT! Come to the First Friday English Dance for Experienced Dancers on Friday, March 2, 8:15-11:00 PM, at the Church of Our Saviour, Carlton and Monmouth Streets in Brookline, MA Brad Foster, Leader; Jacqueline Schwab, Musician For information on the Ball or the First Friday Dance please contact Mary Stafford Telephone: (617)782-7266 Email: mes-AT- world.std.com Gender balance will be taken into consideration with preference given to CDS, Boston Centre, members. ************************************************************************** REGISTRATION FORM Names(s) (for nametags) __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ Address __________________________________________________________________ City __________________________ State ______ ZIP ______________________ Phone (day) ________________________ (evening) __________________________ ____ (number) -AT- $24.00/person or $28.00/person = __________ Total Enclosed Please make checks payable to Country Dance Society, Boston Centre and mail with your registration to Lyrl Ahern, 298 Central Street, Acton, MA 01720 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 01:51:26 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 03:49:24 -0600 From: Charlene Charette Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: An amazing offer for "English" devotees To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3A5598A4.B4E62D4A-AT- flash.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <20010104.143220.-193963.2.solweber-AT- juno.com> sol weber wrote: > Yep, an amazing offer aimed at the English faction. Safe to open. *Groan* I like it. :-) --Charlene -- When spiders unite, they can tie down a lion. ===== Free Book Searches (out-of-print, hard-to-find, foreign, used, new) - mailto:findbook-AT- flash.net ===== For Sale: Earnshaw, Pat; Lace in Fashion: From the Sixteenth to the Twentieth Centuries ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 04:37:33 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 07:38:28 -0500 From: "Emily L. Ferguson" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: An amazing offer for "English" devotees To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <20010104.143220.-193963.2.solweber-AT- juno.com> It was a pretty good cartoon, and it was nice of Sol to tell us that it was trouble free. But generally attachments are frowned on for discussion lists and then there are the copyright violation problems. In the future just send the citation for the source - assuming this cartoon came off the web somewhere. Emily L. Ferguson elf-AT- cape.com 508-563-6822 New England landscapes, wooden boats and races, press photography Beetle cats on the web at: http://www.beetlecat.com/gifts.htm http://www.capecod.net/sqtg/nebcba/results/99champs.html landscape at: http://www.capecodlife.com/CCD/regions/upper_cape.html ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 04:48:30 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 12:48:22 +0000 From: Hugh Stewart Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: An amazing offer for "English" devotees To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3A55C296.EE9081C9-AT- ugsolutions.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <20010104.143220.-193963.2.solweber-AT- juno.com> "Emily L. Ferguson" wrote: > It was a pretty good cartoon, and it was nice of Sol to tell us that it was > trouble free. But generally attachments are frowned on for discussion > lists and then there are the copyright violation problems. > > In the future just send the citation for the source - assuming this cartoon > came off the web somewhere. See http://a828.g.akamai.net/7/828/1392/1dcf6501c8f9fa/images.ucomics.com/comics/bz/2000/bz001018.gif ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 06:47:58 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 09:47:18 -0400 From: gaff-AT- neu.edu (Terence Gaffney) Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Boston Playford Ball on March 3 To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Dear Arthur, Thanks for doing this; I'll bring the form tonight. By the way, I really like this year's program. Best, terry ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 16:04:18 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 00:04:01 +0000 From: Alan Corkett Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: 12th Night... To: EngCountryDance Message-ID: <001901c07774$2ed1ffc0$0a1b893e-AT- default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_QCfTe9EurIWmdZTtDT/rfA)" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_QCfTe9EurIWmdZTtDT/rfA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Hi Revellers! Don't forget my 12th Night Ceilidh on the 6th January 2001, if you are in the area of Halsway Manor permanent folk music centre, Crowcombe, Somerset, UK. ...with myself leading the "come all ye band of musicians"... Brian Heaton as chairman for the ceilidh including; dancing, singing, Dickensian reading, mummers, morris sword, cloggers and much more with mulled wine and mince pies... see you there only £3.50 or 3.50UKP. It is possible to come early for dinner just phone the manor 01984 618 274. oh.. and a Happy New Year (but don't forget to take down your Christmas decorations!) Alan Corkett --Boundary_(ID_QCfTe9EurIWmdZTtDT/rfA) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Hi Revellers!
Don't forget my 12th Night Ceilidh on the 6th January 2001, if you are in the area of Halsway Manor permanent folk music centre, Crowcombe, Somerset, UK.
...with myself leading the "come all ye band of musicians"... Brian Heaton as chairman for the ceilidh including; dancing, singing, Dickensian reading, mummers, morris sword, cloggers and much more with mulled wine and mince pies... see you there only £3.50 or 3.50UKP. It is possible to come early for dinner just phone the manor 01984 618 274.
oh.. and a Happy New Year (but don't forget to take down your Christmas decorations!)
Alan Corkett
--Boundary_(ID_QCfTe9EurIWmdZTtDT/rfA)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 02:58:24 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 04:56:14 -0600 From: Charlene Charette Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Miss Cowper Coles To: English Country Dance List Message-ID: <3A5D914E.930BDA87-AT- flash.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I've got a copy of this book out from the library: Old English Country Dance Steps revived by Miss Cowper Coles; 1909 At the risk of sounding stupid; who was Miss Coles? Thanks, --Charlene -- The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself. --Ben Franklin ===== Free Book Searches (out-of-print, hard-to-find, foreign, used, new) - mailto:findbook-AT- flash.net ===== For Sale: Earnshaw, Pat; Lace in Fashion: From the Sixteenth to the Twentieth Centuries ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 10:02:10 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 13:01:28 -0400 From: gaff-AT- neu.edu (Terence Gaffney) Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Special dance, wed jan 17th To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Dear Friends, For those of you within driving distance of Boston: This coming Wednesday Jan. 17th., Robin Hayden will make her debut as a caller in our Wednesday series. Robin is the composer of "In the Bleak Mid-Winter", and as anybody lucky enough to have danced with her knows, is a paragon of grace and style. Each year we invite a regional caller to lead our Wedneday night dance; last year it was Susan Kevra. This year promises to be as much fun. Please join me in welcoming Robin to our Wednesday series. For those of you coming from out of town, the dance starts at 7:30 at the Park Avenue Congregational Church. You can find directions to the Church at http://www.cds-Boston.org/english.html. Best Regards, Terry ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 13:22:28 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 21:20:35 +0000 From: Ron Hawkins Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Miss Cowper Coles To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <000a01c07c14$81507de0$478ebbd4-AT- patriot> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <3A5D914E.930BDA87-AT- flash.net> Charlene Charette said: > at the risk of sounding stupid; who was Miss Coles? I hesitate to add my meagre contribution, but this is it, for what it's worth: Miss A M Cowper Coles devised a dance called "The Sailor's Hornpipe" in 1910. Helpfully Ron H ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 20:28:13 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 22:39:31 -0500 From: franch-AT- juno.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Miss Cowper Coles To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20010111.232559.-96973.0.franch-AT- juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT If he said anything like this at all (cited as a below-the-signature tag in a recent posting), Benj. Franklin would have said it about the Declaration of Independence ("life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"), not about the Constitution, although that held out "domestic tranquility," which isn't such a bad thing, either. And since such pursuit was an "inalienable right.," neither document gave it. Both documents are also silent about dance, a grave omission, although perhaps in the realm of rights not otherwise enumerated. > The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself. --Ben Franklin ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 20:43:27 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 23:42:46 -0400 From: Rich Galloway Subject: Re: happy pursuits To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <3A5E44F6.11277.D60D93-AT- localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT But surely that's what they meant. Certainly one can choose from many pursuits, but what other pursuit would you consider "the pursuit of happiness," but dance? We even have a dance called "The Pursuit." > Both documents are also silent about dance, a grave omission, although > perhaps in the realm of rights not otherwise enumerated. > > > The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. > You have to catch it yourself. --Ben Franklin > ==================================================== Rich Galloway Silver Spring, MD ==================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 21:34:56 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 00:34:38 -0500 (EST) From: Tideswell-AT- aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Glorious, uproarious To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <2d.6156f0d.2793e5ee-AT- aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I have only just landed (and *boy* is that joke tired) from the Seattle Ball, which was, may I say, everything a ball should be. A lovely program with a great mix of dances (with a couple of no-brainers mercifully saved for the end when I had misplaced most of my braincells), a wonderful host community, splendid calling (and lively contoversy) by a variety of callers (meaning no one was entirely out of the dancing action) and the most delightful music imaginable. Things I wish especially to single out for praise include-but-are-not-limited-to The inclusion of The Nightcap in the program. My, my, my what a fun dance. Can anyone provide me with information, speculation, rumor, or innuendo concerning how it came to be written? The general ebullience and cheerfulness of the Seattle dance community. What a pleasure it is to dance in a community with such a non-dogmatic approach to the whole business! The music. Both Friday's and Saturday's bands were a treat to dance to, and I was particularly impressed with the fortitude of the Tricky Brits...to which their playing for both the afternoon and evening is tesimony...and charmed with the way they teased us with the increasing tempi of some of the dances. Excellent fun. As were Anita Anderson's ongoing piano sarcasms. Excellent fun all 'round, in fact. Bravo. still grinning broadly Nilos ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:17:44 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 17:05:41 -0500 From: Gene Murrow Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Pinewoods English Week To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20010115.171458.-940063.2.gmurrow-AT- juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Here's a sneak preview for Alan's merrie band of the offerings of English Week 2001 (August 11-18). More info is due soon on the web site at www.cdss.org; the brochure goes out in Februrary. Our special guest from England this year is Andrew Shaw. According to a September, 2000, review in "Realfolk," Andrew "is one of England's finest callers of dances in the Playford style. His astonishingly detailed background knowledge of the dances, his clear and precise descriptions and his quiet insistence on the best possible performance styles have won him many admirers." Joining Andrew will be our own Helene Cornelius, Mary Devlin, Bruce Hamilton, and Gene Murrow. Music will be by the Bare Necessities 4-some (Earl, Jacqueline, Mary, Peter), PLUS Bill Peek (piano), Bill Tomczak (clarinet), Tom Kruskal (concertinas), Susie Lorand (violin and recorders) and Ellen Tepper (harp). Earl will be scheduling the evening music to exploit all manner of exciting combinations among these talents. Andrew Shaw will offer "Early Playford," covering dances from the 1st through 7th editions of John Playford's Dancing Master; "Dances of Nat'l Kynaston," for advanced dancers (we mean it) featuring works by the 18th century composer of what we now call The Old Mill, and "Dances by Modern English Composers." Gene will repeat his popular "Dancing the Best Well" session devoted to improving style and technique, and the "Choreographers Workshop." Helene will present more of her remarkably eclectic repertoire in an "English Country for All" session and an "English for Experts" (we mean it) class. Bruce (with Mary and Susie) will be offering his leadership training program for callers (special registration), and calling in the evenings. We'll also have an "open mic" session for callers and musicians, organized and coached by Mary Devlin and Peter Barnes. This will be a regular class open to anyone who'd like to join. In addition, we'll have Cotswold Morris, Northwest Morris, garland, long sword, rapper sword and clog classes, taught by Yonina Gordon, Meg Ryan, and Kari Smith. We'll repeat the popular "introduction" level classes for hard core country dancers who'd like to try one of these traditional forms for the first time. Also this year, we're going to make some special efforts to welcome newcomers and enhance the social aspects of our evening parties, so if you haven't tried Pinewoods before, this is the time! English Week fills early. Last year several ECD-list'ers were disappointed, so make sure you register before the cut-off date. Hope to see you there! Best wishes, Gene Murrow ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Permanent address: - for your Address book ISP of the moment: - "Reply" button destination ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 17:20:23 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:20:55 -0500 From: "Albert A. Blank" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Glorious, uproarious To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3A63A1F7.8B9FFE2D-AT- sprintmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <2d.6156f0d.2793e5ee-AT- aol.com> Dear Nilos, The Nightcap is in Maggot Pie (1932). The authors, Heffer & Porter of this collection felt that there weren't enough historical dances in the Playford tradition and kindly tried to remedy that deficiency. Some, at the time, felt that tampering with the historical tradition was scandalous. Nowadays the "deficiency" is well on its way to becoming a surfeit. Ciao, Albert -- Albert Blank ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 17:35:05 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:44:44 -0500 From: "Roger W. Broseus" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Washington Spring Ball To: ECD Listserv - Posts Message-ID: <4.3.2.20010115154105.00ac71c0-AT- 127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_/SMYwNHk+PjyiYBjS9AiZQ)" --Boundary_(ID_/SMYwNHk+PjyiYBjS9AiZQ) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Washington Spring Ball Saturday, May 5, 2001 Musicians: Liz Donaldson, piano Andrea Hoag, fiddle Marty Taylor, flute and concertina Afternoon practice session Details to follow as they become available Contact: Roger W. Broseus Roger-AT- just.net --Boundary_(ID_/SMYwNHk+PjyiYBjS9AiZQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Washington Spring Ball

Saturday, May 5, 2001

Musicians:
Liz Donaldson, piano
Andrea Hoag, fiddle
Marty Taylor, flute and concertina

Afternoon practice session

Details to follow as they become available

Contact:
Roger W. Broseus
Roger-AT- just.net --Boundary_(ID_/SMYwNHk+PjyiYBjS9AiZQ)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 18:26:28 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 21:27:23 -0500 From: "Emily L. Ferguson" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Glorious, uproarious To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <2d.6156f0d.2793e5ee-AT- aol.com> >Dear Nilos, >The Nightcap is in Maggot Pie (1932). The authors, Heffer & Porter, of this >collection felt that there weren't enough historical dances in the Playford >tradition and kindly tried to remedy that deficiency. Some, at the time, felt >that tampering with the historical tradition was scandalous. Nowadays the >"deficiency" is well on its way to becoming a surfeit. Nowadays the Nightcap is still one of the cream of that crop!! Emily L. Ferguson elf-AT- cape.com 508-563-6822 New England landscapes, wooden boats and races, press photography Beetle cats on the web at: http://www.beetlecat.com/gifts.htm http://www.capecod.net/sqtg/nebcba/results/99champs.html landscape at: http://www.capecodlife.com/CCD/regions/upper_cape.html ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 18:29:21 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 21:30:18 -0500 From: "Emily L. Ferguson" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Attn: Conn. River Valley dancers To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Anybody know whether there's going to be another Valentine's Day dance in Brattleboro? Emily L. Ferguson elf-AT- cape.com 508-563-6822 New England landscapes, wooden boats and races, press photography Beetle cats on the web at: http://www.beetlecat.com/gifts.htm http://www.capecod.net/sqtg/nebcba/results/99champs.html landscape at: http://www.capecodlife.com/CCD/regions/upper_cape.html ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:42:46 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:42:35 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Andersen Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Ease & Elegance To: ECD List Message-ID: <20010117004235.21829.qmail-AT- web5203.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Ease & Elegance, Fried deMetz Herman's annual English Country dance workshop and party is scheduled for Saturday, 27 January 2001. The Saturday dance workshop is from 1:30pm to 5:00pm; the evening party begins at 7:30pm and ends at 10:30pm. Presented by Country Dancers of Westchester, it will be held at the Church in the Highlands, White Plains, NY. Musicians are Leah Barkan, John Austin, and, for the evening party, Gene Murrow. If you'd like to attend, you need to apply in advance to register. Complete the form below. Mail it with a check payable to 'Country Dancers of Westchester' for $18.00 per person to . . . Carl Andersen, Registrar P. O. Box 15353 Stamford, CT 06901-0353 Also, add to your experience by attending CDW's "Jack Frost in January" dance party the night before from 8pm to 11pm. This event features Brad Foster calling and the annual visit to the Church in the Highlands by the unique and outstanding 'E.T. & The Aliens' - the musicians Ellen Tepper (harp); Cynthia Shaw Simonoff (piano); Jessica Murrow (oboe); and Gene Murrow (recorders and divers instruments). We will have our customary delectable refreshments at the breaks for both events. Guests are welcome to contribute to the food array by bringing along a plate of their favorite tasty edibles. Admission for the Friday party, payable at the door, is $12.00. Members of CDW pay $10.00. Hospitality is available for those attending both events. Inquire - by e-mail if you can - of the Registrar at at cdw_ecd-AT- yahoo.com. For more information, contact Leah Barkan at (914)693-5577; to Fried herself at (914)693-5577; or by e-mail to the Registrar. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Ease & Elegance -- and ECD Dance Workshop & Party NAME(S) ____________________________________________________ ADDRESS _____________________________________________________ _____________________________________________________ E-MAIL: ______________________________________________________ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - _________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 19:03:27 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:52:56 -0800 From: Marie Disiewicz Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Berea Christmas School To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3A650908.36367301-AT- telus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hello All Stan & I are back home and want to let those who do not know about the Christmas Country Dance School at the Berea College Kentucky U.S.A. You owe it to yourself to go at least once. You will want to go back as we do I am sure.What a great experience it was for us to enjoy such a well organized dance school. We traveled from B.C. Canada to Kentucky U.S.A. The people were ever so friendly and helpful. The talent was superb. We were so pleased to see so many young people involved in the dancing.. They were very good dancers and we all danced together like there were no age barriers. Now! The musicians were to die for. Oh! They were great! Sound men were terrific. The whole experience was so magical, special and we will be back. Parlor in the mornings had us singing and laughing everyday! What great talent in the spirit of fun and friendship! Good on you Berea College and keep up the good work. Cheers Marie & Stan Disiewicz ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 19:09:32 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:59:03 -0800 From: Marie Disiewicz Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: ECD Mini Workshop To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3A650A76.EC4C88E6-AT- telus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hello from Surrey [Vancouver] B.C. Canada I am hosting a mini ECD workshop February 18th Sunday 11:00 am to 3:00pm. Bruce Hamilton will be the instructor and we will have live music. If you are in the area and want to attend please email me. If you know of someone in our area, let them know. Cheers Marie Disiewicz ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:37:08 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:36:10 -0800 (PST) From: metis-AT- seki.mcs.csuhayward.edu Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Levi Jacksons at Yale and KY To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <200101171836.KAA11382-AT- seki.mcs.csuhayward.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT The following exchange took place on the East European Folklife Center list, where it was off-topic. I think it's on-topic for this list, however... ------- Start of forwarded message ------- From: larry.morandi-AT- grassvalleygroup.com To: Wally.Washington-AT- genband.com Cc: eefc-AT- eefc.org, mk-AT- mailbag.com Subject: RE: Levi Jackson - off topic trivia Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:40:35 -0800 > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Kuharski [mailto:mk-AT- mailbag.com] > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 2:56 PM > To: Wally Washington > Cc: eefc-AT- eefc.org > Subject: Re: Levi Jackson - off topic trivia > > > Wally reports: > > Levi Jackson, a star running back whose selection as Yale's first black football > > captain in November 1948 drew national attention as a symbol of racial progress > > in American life, died on Dec. 7 at his home in Detroit. He was 74. > > > > So I assume that the park in Kentucky or wherever was named after him, > > and the dance name - Levi Jackson Rag - comes from the park. > According to the "Folklore Village Saturday Night Book" of tunes & dance descriptions > [Folklore Village 608-924-4000/Rural Route 3/Dodgeville WI 53533 > staff-AT- folklorevillage.org], Pat Shaw was commissioned by Berea College's > Mountain Folk Festival (Adult section) to create Levi Jackson Rag, named for > the Levi Jackson State Park near London, Kentucky at which that annual > Festival was (is?) held. I have no information on how the park was named, > but the Festival began in 1952, so the chronology would be consistent. > Regards, > Michael Kuharski > > A very quick web search yields the following site: http://www.state.ky.us/agencies/parks/levijack.htm which opens with "Levi Jackson Wilderness Road State Park honors both the first judge in Laurel County, and the road that has been termed by some to be the most significant trail in the westward flow of English colonization." Nothing in the biography at http://courant.ctnow.com/projects/bhistory/jackson.htm of Levi Jackson, a Yale football player who later worked for Ford Motor Company, indicates he was ever in Kentucky or a judge in Laurel County. And that "first judge in Laurel County" was probably appointed at least 200 years ago, so we can rule out this 20th century Levi Jackson as being the namesake of the dance. Larry Morandi ------- End of forwarded message ------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 18:42:54 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 18:42:43 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: News item: Melissa virus is Back To: =?UNKNOWN?Q?ECD=A0list?= Message-ID: <20010119024243.15353.qmail-AT- web3302.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT For any of you using MS Outlook to handle mail and Office 97 or 2000, you might be interested in this item from Netscape News: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:26:16 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 13:26:03 -0600 (CST) From: j-sivier-AT- ux1.cso.uiuc.edu Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: cotilion questions To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <200101231926.f0NJQ3E15761-AT- staff1.cso.uiuc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I'm going to be trying to lead a cotilion at our dance next month. This will be my first attempt and I have a few questions for the more learned members of this list. I'll be using a very abbreviated list of changes, to make the dance easier for me to teach and lead and to allow time for other dances during our session ;-) One question I have is how to coordinate the music and the dance. I see that if you have a 32 bar dance and a 48 bar tune you put the changes in the first 16 bars of the tune (and have the band play an additional A part at the end for the final Grand Round). However what if you have a 32 bar dance and a 32 bar tune? Should I have the band play the tune AAAABB (or ABAABB) to accomadate the changes? How about if I have a 32 bar tune and a 48 bar dance figure? I'm guessing I should have the band play the tune twice through for each change/figure pair with the change coming on the A part of the first time through the tune. I'm considering two possible figures for the dance. One is La Pantalon (spelled Le Pantalon in the sources on the Lib. of Congress dance instruction manual web site, but the source I have spells it La Pantalon). I guess it is officially a quadrille, but it seems like a nice 32 bar figure and I'm thinking of using it for a cotilion. Is this a major faux pas? Does anyone know what tune was traditionally used for it. I haven't been able to find a tune named Le Pantalon and none of the sources I've checked have mentioned a tune for it. I haven't done an exhaustive search, but I thought I would ask and see if anyone happens to know of the tune for it or a good place to look. The other figure I'm considering is called The Frolic. I haven't found any sources for this dance or tune (outside of the manuscript I'm working from) at all. Once again my search has not been exhaustive, but I thought I would see if anyone has ever heard of this dance or tune. It's a 48 bar dance figure and a 32 bar tune. Any other advice on teaching and leading a cotilion would be appreciated. Thanks. Jonathan ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Jonathan Sivier |Q: How many angels can dance on the | | j-sivier-AT- uiuc.edu | head of a pin? | | Flight Simulation Lab |A: It depends on what dance you call. | | Beckman Institute | | | 405 N. Mathews | SWMDG - Single White Male | | Urbana, IL 61801 | Dance Gypsy | | Work: 217/244-1923 | | | Home: 217/359-8225 | Have shoes, will dance. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Home page URL: http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/j-sivier | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:52:25 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:26:54 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: cotilion questions To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01JZ8WXEXWCI9OSFTB-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Jonathan wrote: > I'm going to be trying to lead a cotilion at our dance next month. This > will be my first attempt and I have a few questions for the more learned > members of this list. I'll be using a very abbreviated list of changes, to > make the dance easier for me to teach and lead and to allow time for other > dances during our session ;-) Five changes seems to be about the limits of the patience of country dancers out here; four changes the limits of the endurance of historical costume enthusiasts. I generally do All Round, Women's Star, Men's Star, All Round, although there's something to be said for Allemande/Allemande Reverse or Grand Right and Left. It also depends on the chorus; Mr. Turner's Academy Cotillion is something like 96 bars for change+chorus; the one time I set up a demo of it, both the dancers and fiddlers were clear that two changes was plenty. > One question I have is how to coordinate the music and the dance. I > see that if you have a 32 bar dance and a 48 bar tune you put the changes > in the first 16 bars of the tune (and have the band play an additional A > part at the end for the final Grand Round). However what if you have > a 32 bar dance and a 32 bar tune? Should I have the band play the tune > AAAABB (or ABAABB) to accomadate the changes? I'd say that the answer is "don't do that." Use a cotillion that has a tune that matches its format. There are a number in both the Morrison and the Keller & Sweet Early American dance books (available from CDSS, as I expect you know). There are also a bunch in Millar, but when I tried using a couple five years or so ago I couldn't make them line up with the music, so I won't recommend that source even if it was my fault. (I think the dancers, especially if unfamiliar with the cotillion form, will need all the help they can get, and a strain for each part of the dance is helpful. Playing AB for the changes gives a false cue; playing AAAABB doesn't give them a cue to go into the chorus.) >How about if I have a 32 bar > tune and a 48 bar dance figure? I'm guessing I should have the band play > the tune twice through for each change/figure pair with the change coming > on the A part of the first time through the tune. That sounds plausible. If you want to do a cotillion to do a cotillion, I'd recommend Marlbrouk. Easy, fun, with a clear structure and a chorus not too long for modern tastes. If you want to do a cotillion in order to use something from one of the New Harmony manuscripts, that's a different story, but I'd still hope you could locate a tune that lines up with it. > I'm considering two possible figures for the dance. One is La Pantalon > (spelled Le Pantalon in the sources on the Lib. of Congress dance instruction > manual web site, but the source I have spells it La Pantalon). I guess it > is officially a quadrille, but it seems like a nice 32 bar figure and I'm > thinking of using it for a cotilion. Is this a major faux pas? Does > anyone know what tune was traditionally used for it. I haven't been able > to find a tune named Le Pantalon and none of the sources I've checked have > mentioned a tune for it. I haven't done an exhaustive search, but I thought > I would ask and see if anyone happens to know of the tune for it or a good > place to look. The pantalon figure is a figure in (I believe) the first set of quadrilles. Various people composed suites for the quadrille sets, so that's what you'd want to find. The pantalon would be identified within that suite. (James Langdell can probably suggest a source here.) As to whether using a quadrille figure is a major faux pas: a lot of quadrille figures have antecedents as cotillion choruses, so it's not necessarily out of the question. On the other hand, the music you find for a quadrille figure will not be written to accommodate the changes, so you may have to invent or apply other music to your back-formed cotillion. If you can find good music for it, it could well be delightful. > The other figure I'm considering is called The Frolic. I haven't found > any sources for this dance or tune (outside of the manuscript I'm working > from) at all. Once again my search has not been exhaustive, but I thought > I would see if anyone has ever heard of this dance or tune. It's a 48 bar > dance figure and a 32 bar tune. > Any other advice on teaching and leading a cotilion would be appreciated. As with Early American dances in general, you need to figure out how much new stuff people can absorb, and how much authenticity you're after. Are you going to teach the rigadoon? People who haven't done that before may be so focused on getting that step that they don't have much spare brain for complex choreography. If you use the allemande figure, you have to teach that unusual meaning of allemande, and so on. My inclination, tempered by experience, is not to have more than two cotillions in a whole evening, and have the first one be very accessible. Marlbrouk, as I say above, works well for this. That gives people both an idea of the changes and an idea of how hippety-hoppety it all is; the ones who get up for the next cotillion will know what they're getting into and you can do a somewhat more complicated one, like "The Convention." I think cotillions are lots of fun. Good luck! -- Alan =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:58:50 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Return-Path: rmkeller-AT- ex-pressnet.com Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:00:07 -0500 From: Robert M Keller Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: cotilion questions To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3A6DF0D7.FC553E2E-AT- ex-pressnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <200101231926.f0NJQ3E15761-AT- staff1.cso.uiuc.edu> Chip Hendrickson has done a lot of reconstruction work on cotillions. He might be able to help. Send a message to him at dance18thc-AT- aol.com. I also found Le Pantalon as a Quadrille with music in Jacqueline Schwab's unpublished index on early English country dances. It is listed also in the National Tune Index (Keller and Rabson) as a Country dance with music in Thompson CD-5, 1788, and in the Beach MS, 1801. If you really need the tune that goes with the cotillion figure, I could probably give you a detailed citation, with call number. I have a copy of the Thompson CD-5, which shows the Pantaloon as a 8/8 bar tune, in 2/4, used as a country dance. I could scan it for you if you wish, but don't want to send it out on the listserv, for obvious reasons. I could send it to you off-list if you wish. FYI, I am in the process of setting up a Dance Resources Index on the web, along the lines of the Dancing Master Compendium, which would be able to answer questions like this. The quadrille listed above is at the British Library, in Paine & Hopkin's New & Fashionable Dancews, Waltzes & Quadrilles... 1829. Her index shows it as the second dance on page 1, 2/4 time. The BL call number is a.9.c.(8). Bob Keller j-sivier-AT- ux1.cso.uiuc.edu wrote: > I'm going to be trying to lead a cotilion at our dance next month. This > will be my first attempt and I have a few questions for the more learned > members of this list. I'll be using a very abbreviated list of changes, to > make the dance easier for me to teach and lead and to allow time for other > dances during our session ;-) > > One question I have is how to coordinate the music and the dance. I > see that if you have a 32 bar dance and a 48 bar tune you put the changes > in the first 16 bars of the tune (and have the band play an additional A > part at the end for the final Grand Round). However what if you have > a 32 bar dance and a 32 bar tune? Should I have the band play the tune > AAAABB (or ABAABB) to accomadate the changes? How about if I have a 32 bar > tune and a 48 bar dance figure? I'm guessing I should have the band play > the tune twice through for each change/figure pair with the change coming > on the A part of the first time through the tune. > > I'm considering two possible figures for the dance. One is La Pantalon > (spelled Le Pantalon in the sources on the Lib. of Congress dance instruction > manual web site, but the source I have spells it La Pantalon). I guess it > is officially a quadrille, but it seems like a nice 32 bar figure and I'm > thinking of using it for a cotilion. Is this a major faux pas? Does > anyone know what tune was traditionally used for it. I haven't been able > to find a tune named Le Pantalon and none of the sources I've checked have > mentioned a tune for it. I haven't done an exhaustive search, but I thought > I would ask and see if anyone happens to know of the tune for it or a good > place to look. > > The other figure I'm considering is called The Frolic. I haven't found > any sources for this dance or tune (outside of the manuscript I'm working > from) at all. Once again my search has not been exhaustive, but I thought > I would see if anyone has ever heard of this dance or tune. It's a 48 bar > dance figure and a 32 bar tune. > > Any other advice on teaching and leading a cotilion would be appreciated. > > Thanks. > > Jonathan > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > | Jonathan Sivier |Q: How many angels can dance on the | > | j-sivier-AT- uiuc.edu | head of a pin? | > | Flight Simulation Lab |A: It depends on what dance you call. | > | Beckman Institute | | > | 405 N. Mathews | SWMDG - Single White Male | > | Urbana, IL 61801 | Dance Gypsy | > | Work: 217/244-1923 | | > | Home: 217/359-8225 | Have shoes, will dance. | > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > | Home page URL: http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/j-sivier | > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 13:03:59 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Return-Path: rmkeller-AT- ex-pressnet.com Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:05:17 -0500 From: Robert M Keller Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: cotilion questions To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3A6DF20D.86CAD475-AT- ex-pressnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <200101231926.f0NJQ3E15761-AT- staff1.cso.uiuc.edu> There also are a number of good cotillions with music and dance in Kitty Keller's and Chip Hendrickson's book "George Washington: A Biography in Social Dance." You can get it at my web site: http://www.virtualdancing.com. Bob Keller j-sivier-AT- ux1.cso.uiuc.edu wrote: > I'm going to be trying to lead a cotilion at our dance next month. This > will be my first attempt and I have a few questions for the more learned > members of this list. I'll be using a very abbreviated list of changes, to > make the dance easier for me to teach and lead and to allow time for other > dances during our session ;-) > > One question I have is how to coordinate the music and the dance. I > see that if you have a 32 bar dance and a 48 bar tune you put the changes > in the first 16 bars of the tune (and have the band play an additional A > part at the end for the final Grand Round). However what if you have > a 32 bar dance and a 32 bar tune? Should I have the band play the tune > AAAABB (or ABAABB) to accomadate the changes? How about if I have a 32 bar > tune and a 48 bar dance figure? I'm guessing I should have the band play > the tune twice through for each change/figure pair with the change coming > on the A part of the first time through the tune. > > I'm considering two possible figures for the dance. One is La Pantalon > (spelled Le Pantalon in the sources on the Lib. of Congress dance instruction > manual web site, but the source I have spells it La Pantalon). I guess it > is officially a quadrille, but it seems like a nice 32 bar figure and I'm > thinking of using it for a cotilion. Is this a major faux pas? Does > anyone know what tune was traditionally used for it. I haven't been able > to find a tune named Le Pantalon and none of the sources I've checked have > mentioned a tune for it. I haven't done an exhaustive search, but I thought > I would ask and see if anyone happens to know of the tune for it or a good > place to look. > > The other figure I'm considering is called The Frolic. I haven't found > any sources for this dance or tune (outside of the manuscript I'm working > from) at all. Once again my search has not been exhaustive, but I thought > I would see if anyone has ever heard of this dance or tune. It's a 48 bar > dance figure and a 32 bar tune. > > Any other advice on teaching and leading a cotilion would be appreciated. > > Thanks. > > Jonathan > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > | Jonathan Sivier |Q: How many angels can dance on the | > | j-sivier-AT- uiuc.edu | head of a pin? | > | Flight Simulation Lab |A: It depends on what dance you call. | > | Beckman Institute | | > | 405 N. Mathews | SWMDG - Single White Male | > | Urbana, IL 61801 | Dance Gypsy | > | Work: 217/244-1923 | | > | Home: 217/359-8225 | Have shoes, will dance. | > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > | Home page URL: http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/j-sivier | > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:06:51 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:06:38 -0600 (CST) From: j-sivier-AT- ux1.cso.uiuc.edu Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: cotilion questions To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <200101232306.f0NN6cD06590-AT- staff1.cso.uiuc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Alan, Thanks for the info and advice. I am hoping to do one of the cotilions from New Harmony. A couple of them are very clear and seem fairly straight- forward. I'll check out your other suggestions as well. Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:12:46 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:12:33 -0600 (CST) From: j-sivier-AT- ux1.cso.uiuc.edu Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: cotilion questions To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <200101232312.f0NNCXY08352-AT- staff1.cso.uiuc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Robert M Keller writes: > > CD-5, 1788, and in the Beach MS, 1801. If you really need the tune that goes with > the cotillion figure, I could probably give you a detailed citation, with call > number. I have a copy of the Thompson CD-5, which shows the Pantaloon as a 8/8 > bar tune, in 2/4, used as a country dance. I could scan it for you if you wish, > but don't want to send it out on the listserv, for obvious reasons. I could send > it to you off-list if you wish. Thanks for the info. If you can send me the tune for the Pantalon I would appreciate it. The version of the dance that I have would make a nice little dance on it's own I think. > FYI, I am in the process of setting up a Dance Resources Index on the web, along > the lines of the Dancing Master Compendium, which would be able to answer > questions like this. That sounds like it will be very useful. Thanks. Jonathan ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Jonathan Sivier |Q: How many angels can dance on the | | j-sivier-AT- uiuc.edu | head of a pin? | | Flight Simulation Lab |A: It depends on what dance you call. | | Beckman Institute | | | 405 N. Mathews | SWMDG - Single White Male | | Urbana, IL 61801 | Dance Gypsy | | Work: 217/244-1923 | | | Home: 217/359-8225 | Have shoes, will dance. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Home page URL: http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/j-sivier | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 18:27:06 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 18:18:00 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: "Gigue for Genny" To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01JZ98MAON049OFHMK-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT ECDers -- I'm trying to understand the instructions given in Fried de Metz Herman's "Ease and Elegance" for the dance "Gigue for Genny." A2 9-16 is given as "First couple directly turns contrary corners and end ready for a hey on proper sides, man down and lady up." [1] It's apparent that "directly" means something, or it wouldn't be in the instructions. I presume that this is a clue that we aren't going through a contra-corners sequence where the 1s turn partners, then corners, then partners, then corners, but it's not clear to me what actually is meant. Do the partners get turned at all? Are these one-hand turns or two-hand turns? (I'd think turning the right diagonal right hand and the left diagonal left hand would put the 1s in the best place to start the hey, but that's unconventional enough that you'd expect it to be mentioned; you could get the same effect from a convention partner-right corner-left contra corners, but then what does "directly" mean?) The sad thing is that I've actually done this dance (in Portland, I think) but can't remember how it was done. Do any of you out there know how this dance is generally done? Thanks, -- Alan [1] I contend that this quotation of a small portion of the description is fair use, and not an infringement on anybody's rights. Quoting the whole thing would have been problematical. -- APW =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 18:42:56 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:42:19 -0500 (EST) From: CF1125-AT- aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: "Gigue for Genny" To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <5d.641bc4a.279f9b0b-AT- aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 1/23/01 9:28:09 PM, winston-AT- SLAC.Stanford.EDU writes: << A2 9-16 is given as "First couple directly turns contrary corners and end ready for a hey on proper sides, man down and lady up." [1] It's apparent that "directly" means something, or it wouldn't be in the instructions. I presume that this is a clue that we aren't going through a contra-corners sequence where the 1s turn partners, then corners, then partners, then corners, but it's not clear to me what actually is meant. Do the partners get turned at all? Are these one-hand turns or two-hand turns? (I'd think turning the right diagonal right hand and the left diagonal left hand would put the 1s in the best place to start the hey, but that's unconventional enough that you'd expect it to be mentioned; you could get the same effect from a convention partner-right corner-left contra corners, but then what does "directly" mean?)>> My understanding of how the dance goes is that in A2 (there are only 8 measures in A, so it should be "A2 1-8," or "A 9-16") the 1s, who are in middle place proper at this point, pull by with the right hand, turn first corners (M1 down, W1 up) by left hand, then partner right hand, then second corners left hand, all with a skip (or skip change) step. At the end of A2, the 1s go directly (that is, without touching partner after turning 2nd corners) into left shoulder heys on their proper side. Perhaps that is where the word "directly" belongs. Carl Friedman ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 23:29:28 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 23:29:14 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: "Gigue for Genny" To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20010124072914.10755.qmail-AT- web3301.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --- Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote: > I'm trying to understand the instructions given in Fried de > Metz Herman's "Ease and Elegance" for the dance "Gigue for > Genny." > > A2 9-16 is given as "First couple directly turns contrary > corners and end ready for a hey on proper sides, man down and > lady up." [1] > Alan, I'm not sure if it helps, but the instructions printed in Country Dance and Song #8 in 1977 read: "9-12 First couple goes directly into country corners and end ready for a hey on proper sides, man down and lady up." I'm not sure why it has the break at measure twelve instead of sixteen, but that's really the way it's printed there. The other source listed by Peter Rogers is the Pinewoods Fund Dance Collection, Pg. 12. Anybody have that source to check? Andy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 08:15:19 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:15:03 -0600 (CST) From: j-sivier-AT- ux1.cso.uiuc.edu Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: yet another cotilion question (YACQ) To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <200101241615.f0OGF3121244-AT- staff1.cso.uiuc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Here's a cotilion that I'm thinking of doing. The Frolic to the tune of the same name? (none of the tunes are titled, but it's next to the dance so I assume it has the same name, if I can locate a tune named The Frolic I can compare them) 1-2 gents dance to their partner, balance and turn them 3-4 pass on to the next lady, balance and turn her 5-8 do the same for the 3rd and 4th lady 9-12 rights and lefts all round repeat for the women I'm assuming that if 4 changes of rights and lefts takes 16 beats then 8 changes of rights and lefts takes 32 beats, even though these days we do a grand right and left in only 16 beats. I figure I'll have them do a step-swing balance and then a two hand turn. I'm not sure what to have them do with their partners. Perhaps balance twice to take up the extra 4 beats. Do you think it would be appropriate to have a change in between the men's go-round and the women's. That is rather than have 96 bars of figure between each change have it go like this change men go change women go ...etc. The same is true for figures where the heads do the figure and then the sides. It seems to me to be logical to have the heads go, then have a change, then the sides go, alternating who's turn it is between each change. This would be especially true for figures that are like visiting couple squares, where the 1st couple does the figure, then the 2nd, then the 3rd and then the 4th. Maybe back in the 18th and 19th century they were willing to do 4 repeats of a 32 (or even 48) bar dance between each change, but I think if we tried anything like that today the dancers and band would rebel. If they did 10 changes that would be something like 45 times through the tune. That seems like a marathon dance even for the Good Old Days (TM). Thanks for any insights anyone may have. Jonathan ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Jonathan Sivier |Q: How many angels can dance on the | | j-sivier-AT- uiuc.edu | head of a pin? | | Flight Simulation Lab |A: It depends on what dance you call. | | Beckman Institute | | | 405 N. Mathews | SWMDG - Single White Male | | Urbana, IL 61801 | Dance Gypsy | | Work: 217/244-1923 | | | Home: 217/359-8225 | Have shoes, will dance. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Home page URL: http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/j-sivier | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 08:20:20 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:20:44 -0500 From: Christopher Walker Subject: Re: "Gigue for Genny" To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <3A6F00DC.A62D37AF-AT- worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <01JZ98MAON049OFHMK-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote: > ECDers -- > > I'm trying to understand the instructions given in Fried de Metz Herman's > "Ease and Elegance" for the dance "Gigue for Genny." > > A2 9-16 is given as "First couple directly turns contrary corners and end > ready for a hey on proper sides, man down and lady up." [1] > Alan: Carl Friedman's response - 1's pull by (R hand) and turn 1st corners by L hand, then 1's meet and pull by again (R hand) and turn 2nd corners by L hand, into heys, etc - is the way I've always seen it done. It's a great dance. Chris Walker ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 08:33:37 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:37:33 -0500 From: Sharon Green Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: "Gigue for Genny" To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <4.1.20010124113139.00bf4c10-AT- popserver.panix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <01JZ98MAON049OFHMK-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> At 11:20 AM 1/24/01 -0500, Christopher Walker wrote: > Carl Friedman's response - 1's pull by (R hand) and turn 1st corners by L >hand, then >1's meet and pull by again (R hand) and turn 2nd corners by L hand, into >heys, etc >- is the way I've always seen it done. It's a great dance. Well, that's the way I taught it in a ball review session at True Brit a couple of years back--and then was totally confounded when, on the ball evening, Gene had the actives pass by R-sh & go directly to 1st corner for the turn. But, hey, I wasn't around when Dan Herr wrote the dance. Mr. Murrow, any comments? Hugs, Sharon P.S. Chris is absolutely right--it's a great dance, either way you do the contra corners. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 08:59:54 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:59:39 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Arnold Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: "Gigue for Genny" To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote: > It's apparent that "directly" means something, or it wouldn't be in the > instructions. I think "directly" here means that you don't waste any time after the preceeding cast before heading into it. The version I'm most familiar with has partners passing R shoulder to start, not taking hands. Eric Ann Arbor ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:00:59 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 16:00:56 -0500 From: Patricia Ruggiero Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: "Gigue for Genny" To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <000b01c08648$becac160$47991c3f-AT- MITRE.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Eric wrote: "I think "directly" here means that you don't waste any time after the preceding cast before heading into it. The version I'm most familiar with has partners passing R shoulder to start, not taking hands." [Your choice of words is entertaining: Waste time? Doing what? Where would there otherwise be time to waste?] Responses so far seem to agree that the 1s pass by the R shoulder on their way to their 1st corners and turn their corners by L hands. It's the giving of hands that's in dispute. Not having danced this one, I wonder whether it makes any difference in the timing of the figure if the 1s give R hands in passing or merely pass by R shoulders. Certainly the mood would be different, less rushed, more social, I'd say. If the object is to get to the corners as quickly as possible, I wonder if a Left Shoulder pass wouldn't be faster. Then with which hand would the corner turns start? Turning corners by L hands sends the 1s into a R-hand turn in the center, a shorter turn than a L-hand turn in the center, to face 2d corner. Country corners is normally executed corner-partner-corner-partner, with either a R-L-R-L handing or a two-hand turn, over 16 bars. It is unfortunate that Mr. Herr did not specify what, if anything, he wanted done differently. He seems to have followed Playford's, Walsh's, etc., example all too well! Since no one has yet weighed in with Mr. Herr's actual intentions, there is still time for other interpretations. Why not the "Trip to Tunbridge" figure, in bars B1-8? 1s pass R-sh, turn 1st Corner by the R; 1s pass R-sh, turn 2nd Corner by the R; 1s pass R-sh to end facing out on own side. This certainly satisfies the direction to "directly turn" the corners and has the advantage of requiring only 8 bars of the dance-walk step. Mr. Herr specifies a "simple skip" for the hey, but not so for the corner turns; whereas it would seem that skipping is required in the interpretations offered so far. Pat ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:41:39 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:04:25 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: yet another cotilion question (YACQ) To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01JZACXSKBCA9ORO6E-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Jonathan Sivier wrote: > Here's a cotilion that I'm thinking of doing. > The Frolic > to the tune of the same name? (none of the tunes are titled, but it's next > to the dance so I assume it has the same name, if I can locate a tune named > The Frolic I can compare them) > 1-2 gents dance to their partner, balance and turn them > 3-4 pass on to the next lady, balance and turn her > 5-8 do the same for the 3rd and 4th lady > 9-12 rights and lefts all round > repeat for the women (Is this a 4/4 tune? I can't seem to make sense of the bar count as given.) > I'm assuming that if 4 changes of rights and lefts takes 16 beats then > 8 changes of rights and lefts takes 32 beats, even though these days we > do a grand right and left in only 16 beats. I figure I'll have them do > a step-swing balance and then a two hand turn. I'm not sure what to have > them do with their partners. Perhaps balance twice to take up the extra > 4 beats. When grand right and left is a cotillion change, you rigadoon to your partner both times you meet, thus killing four beats of music each time. If you don't want to mess with rigadooning, two balances should do it. It takes two 8-bar As to get through. > Do you think it would be appropriate to have a change in between the > men's go-round and the women's. That is rather than have 96 bars of figure > between each change have it go like this > change > men go > change > women go > ...etc. Well, Mr. Turner's Academy Cotillion has 64 bars of chorus, so it's not unprecedented (but that dance was arguably for performance even then, to show off the skill of the students at Turner's dancing academy). From my small knowledge of the field, I wouldn't think it was historically accurate to alternate the men leading the chorus and the women leading the chorus, but it may well be appropriate in the sense of making the dance acceptable to a modern audience. > The same is true for figures where the heads do the figure and then the > sides. It seems to me to be logical to have the heads go, then have a change, > then the sides go, alternating who's turn it is between each change. This > would be especially true for figures that are like visiting couple squares, > where the 1st couple does the figure, then the 2nd, then the 3rd and then > the 4th. Maybe back in the 18th and 19th century they were willing to > do 4 repeats of a 32 (or even 48) bar dance between each change, but I > think if we tried anything like that today the dancers and band would rebel. > If they did 10 changes that would be something like 45 times through the > tune. That seems like a marathon dance even for the Good Old Days (TM). > Thanks for any insights anyone may have. Hmm. "The changes" are the standardized figures - a list of ten or fifteen figures (as familiar as up-a-double, siding, and arming) from which you'd choose a few when doing the calling. Morrison says "using all ten changes makes quite a long and strenous dance; it apparently was acceptable to selectively eliminate changes in the 18th Century, and dancers should feel free to do so today." So don't think about doing ten changes. In those pesky sets of quadrilles they didn't do the changes. So you'd have a set of quadrilles where you did something led by the first lady and then the second lady and then the third lady and then the fourth lady, and then you'd do something else. And there might be a good deal of standing around, possibly chatting with partners when inactive. And they paid the musicians a living wage, which made them less rebellious. -- Alan =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:13:01 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 16:12:47 -0600 (CST) From: j-sivier-AT- ux1.cso.uiuc.edu Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: yet another cotilion question (YACQ) To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <200101242212.f0OMCl407897-AT- staff1.cso.uiuc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing writes: > > Jonathan Sivier wrote: > > > Here's a cotilion that I'm thinking of doing. > > > The Frolic > > to the tune of the same name? (none of the tunes are titled, but it's next > > to the dance so I assume it has the same name, if I can locate a tune named > > The Frolic I can compare them) > > > 1-2 gents dance to their partner, balance and turn them > > 3-4 pass on to the next lady, balance and turn her > > 5-8 do the same for the 3rd and 4th lady > > 9-12 rights and lefts all round > > repeat for the women > > (Is this a 4/4 tune? I can't seem to make sense of the bar count as given.) I'm sorry I was just jotting down the parts, not trying to show the bar counts. I should have thought of that. Once again I'm going from memory, but I think the tune is 6/8. At any rate I'm pretty sure there are 2 steps per bar. Using the bar counts it would look like this: 1-8 gents dance to their partner, balance and turn them 9-16 pass on to the next lady, balance and turn her 17-32 do the same for the 3rd and 4th lady 33-48 rights and lefts all round 49-96 repeat for the women So if the change was in AA then the men's part would be in BBAABB. > > I'm assuming that if 4 changes of rights and lefts takes 16 beats then > > 8 changes of rights and lefts takes 32 beats, even though these days we > > do a grand right and left in only 16 beats. I figure I'll have them do > > a step-swing balance and then a two hand turn. I'm not sure what to have > > them do with their partners. Perhaps balance twice to take up the extra > > 4 beats. > > When grand right and left is a cotillion change, you rigadoon to your partner > both times you meet, thus killing four beats of music each time. If you don't > want to mess with rigadooning, two balances should do it. It takes two 8-bar > As to get through. This isn't a change, but part of the chorus, but I see what you mean. Thanks. Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:23:19 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 17:23:04 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Arnold Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: "Gigue for Genny" To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, Patricia Ruggiero wrote: > Eric wrote: > "I think "directly" here means that you don't waste any time after the > preceding cast before heading into it. The version I'm most familiar with > has partners passing R shoulder to start, not taking hands." > > [Your choice of words is entertaining: > Waste time? Doing what? > Where would there otherwise be time to waste?] From the viewpoint of the caller/teacher, it would be wonderful if the dancers universally saw it this way. You may appreciate that dancers may not automatically connect the start of the second figure with the end of the first, particularly if it's not a dance they're familiar with -- e.g. "so we've cast off -- now what? Does the 2nd couple do the same thing? Do we all do something? Or do we continue to be the active couple & do something new? If so, what is it? We'll wait 'till you tell us..." Caller: "...and you go _directly_ into contra corners, passing Partner right shoulder to start..." The implication, best understood after a turn or two through the dance, is that you'd better keep moving if you want to get through the next figure in the music available... At least, that's how it seems to me. > Responses so far seem to agree that the 1s pass by the R shoulder on their > way to their 1st corners and turn their corners by L hands. It's the giving > of hands that's in dispute. Not having danced this one, I wonder whether it > makes any difference in the timing of the figure if the 1s give R hands in > passing or merely pass by R shoulders. Certainly the mood would be > different, less rushed, more social, I'd say. Considering that the contra corners in this dance are typically done with a vigorous skipchange, you don't really have time for much more than a touch of hands on the way past, and even that would lessen the energy of this figure, which is often done with a burst of energy after the initial turn & cast. > If the object is to get to the corners as quickly as possible, I wonder if a > Left Shoulder pass wouldn't be faster. Then with which hand would the > corner turns start? Turning corners by L hands sends the 1s into a R-hand > turn in the center, a shorter turn than a L-hand turn in the center, to face > 2d corner. Well, speed is an essential element, but not the only element. But I agree there is a question of which hand to the corners -- in my cards I find that I have right hand to both corners, differing from the descriptions given previously. The hand for the second turn affects the angle from which the active couple approaches the hey. My recollection of how I have done it disagrees with my own cards, which I can't explain. Eric ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 16:43:33 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 19:30:56 -0500 From: "Emily L. Ferguson" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: "Gigue for Genny" To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <01JZ98MAON049OFHMK-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> The "contra corners" starts with R hand to partner, pulling by, then L to first contra corner, then R to partner, then L to other the other contra corner. Curious that such a detail is left out of the original mimeographed instructions, but that's what we do in Boston, and I have a hunch it comes "directly" from Dan since Helene introduced him to call the dance debut at Pinewoods so long ago. The L with 2nd contra corner allows the actives to pass "directly" across the set, facing the correct way for the heys for 3 (M down, L up) and pass L shoulder to commence the hey, while the ends "bow" (as in arrow) inwards thus allowing for the famous "bulge" of mirror heys. Interesting that some have been doing it passing the ptnr and turning contra corner the "uncomfortable" way, which necessitates a 1.5 turn with w/ ptnr in the middle and a change of direction passing by to begin the hey. Must be rather of a scurry that way. The original way, the 1st contra corner people can move out towards their right and offer a L hand, thus making it even more aerobic. Finally, despite the fact that Dan respectfully asked us to use the skip change when he debuted the dance, it's notated in the Pinewoods Fund Dance Collection as a skip. I believe it was because of Dan's interest in Scottish dancing that he wanted the skip change but Imay be wrong on that one. Emily L. Ferguson elf-AT- cape.com 508-563-6822 New England landscapes, wooden boats and races, press photography Beetle cats on the web at: http://www.beetlecat.com/gifts.htm http://www.capecod.net/sqtg/nebcba/results/99champs.html http://www.capecod.net/sqtg/nebcba/store.html#yrbook landscape at: http://www.capecodlife.com/CCD/regions/upper_cape.html ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 18:22:38 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 21:22:37 -0500 From: Patricia Ruggiero Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE:Gigue for Genny To: English Dance Message-ID: <001201c08675$af6d37c0$47991c3f-AT- MITRE.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Emily Ferguson wrote: "I believe it was because of Dan's interest in Scottish dancing that he wanted the skip change but I may be wrong on that one." Well that explains a lot, to my mind. SCD and contra dance execute contra corners in 8 bars but I wasn't aware that ECD traditionally did so, and was wondering why this person wanted an 8-bar country corner figure. Some may find it interesting to know that there is a Scottish dance entitled "Fair Jenny's Jig" (written by Ron Wallace of San Francisco, tune by Peter Barnes) with the same middle figures: that is, bars 9-16 are country corners, beginning with L hand; and bars 17-24 are reels on your own side, but W1 dances *down* to begin, while M1 dances *up* (because at the end of the country corners the 1s turn by the R hand half way towards their own side, and this puts them in a different orientation than the ECD version). Further: "Curious that such a detail is left out of the original mimeographed instructions....[snip] And too bad, too, because that's how dances get changed from the way the devisor originally intended.... Pat ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 18:43:58 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 21:44:58 -0500 From: "Emily L. Ferguson" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE:Gigue for Genny To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Actually "Fair Jenny's Jig" is the tune name. So the dance may be named after the tune, in the oldfashioned way. Emily L. Ferguson elf-AT- cape.com 508-563-6822 New England landscapes, wooden boats and races, press photography Beetle cats on the web at: http://www.beetlecat.com/gifts.htm http://www.capecod.net/sqtg/nebcba/results/99champs.html http://www.capecod.net/sqtg/nebcba/store.html#yrbook landscape at: http://www.capecodlife.com/CCD/regions/upper_cape.html ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 20:32:29 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 04:32:15 +0000 From: Orly Krasner Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: NY Playford Ball To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Dear Fellow Dancers! It is my great pleasure to invite you to join us in New York for our 18th Annual Playford Ball on Saturday, April 28, 2001. This intriguing program will be co-hosted by BEVERLY FRANCIS (of Jane Austen fame) and CHARLES BOLTON, teacher and choreographer ("Ashford Anniversary," "Doctor Vincent's Delight" among many familiar favorites), who will be making a rare visit from the Mother Country. Registration material and additional information is available on our website: http://www.cdny.org/english/playford.htm Looking forward to seeing you all in New York! --Orly Krasner Chair of the Committee Playford 2001 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 00:59:55 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:51:04 +0100 From: M Sheffield Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE:Gigue for Genny/Fair Jenny's Jig To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20010125095104.00810e80-AT- pop.wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT The traditional (right word?) way of tunrning corners & partner in SCD (RH to cn, LH to pt) is a very awkward figure -- it takes us a lont time to learn to make an acceptable LH turn & a half in ony two bars. Beginners never manage; they either start the next figure late, or miss one of the turns. Th rest of us have been doing those tight turns for so long, we can usually manage, provided each dancer gives a really firm arm. Is this another case of the early RSCDS misinterpreting the original sources? I wonder if Richard Goss's research can shed some light. The ECD version (LH to cn, RH to pt) is to my mind far more satisfactory. It fills the musical phrase adequately and allows unhurried turns with time for a smile. I realized this many years ago, and put the more leisurely sequence of turns into one of my dances "Dancers Anonymous" at a time I was not even involved with English style dancing, it just seemd the logical way of doing things. Martin, in Grenoble, France. http://perso.wanadoo.fr/scots.in.france/scd.htm (dance groups, some new dances ...) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:38:02 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:51:10 -0500 From: Gene Murrow Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Bare Necessities Volumes 5 and 6 To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20010125.173559.-940063.12.gmurrow-AT- juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Philippe, Just realized I had never thanked you for this very valuable list of suggested dances. I'm putting together a consolidated list to send to interested parties (including the ECD list) as an aid to narrowing down our choices to the 17 or so we'll be able to fit on a CD. Gene ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Permanent address: - for your Address book ISP of the moment: - "Reply" button destination ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:43:48 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 22:43:13 +0000 From: Alan Corkett Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: BENEFIT CD FOR HALSWAY FOLK MUSIC CENTRE To: Bob Archer , Keith Pratt , Gene Lerner , EngCountryDance , Bob Dalsemer CC: Roland Goodbody , Diana Jewitt Message-ID: <004801c08720$36e42b00$ab49193e-AT- default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Yow869KMIr+vaMPLvOZPUg)" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_Yow869KMIr+vaMPLvOZPUg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Hi Folks We need some support here from those who have purchased and liked our benefit CD to contact CDSS with some indication of how much they liked it for publication in CDSS news! now read on... 1/25/01 Hello Alan, Thank you for letting us know about your new CD. It seems a worthy cause. We haven't received the promo copy yet, so can't evaluate it fairly, but as far as the price goes, here are my thoughts so far: If your wholesale price to us is L 10 plus post and packing, our retail price would have to be in the neighborhood of $30.00. This is due to the U.S. exchange rate plus our usual markup. That is on the high end even for our imports. I'm wondering if it would be worth it - sounds like you are doing a good job of advertising and selling directly. We'd still consider carrying your CD if we could work out a better price. Please let me know your thoughts on this. Best,Dedo Norris Sales Manager Note this... P.S. An alternative might be for us to give it a mention in the CDSS News and direct people to you. - D ...so over to all those 500 satisfied customers out there, here is your opportunity to support Halsway Manor and be first in the limelight - but remember it is Americans first! At 10:03 PM 12/16/2000 +0000, you wrote: >Hi >We would appreciate it very much if you could stock our new CD "Live Music >from Halsway". Would you like me to send you a quantity? It is a fund >raising effort by friends of Halsway Manor to help pay expenses of this >educational charity. Lots of our American friends are supporting us and >buying copies; I have shipped of 6 or more this week. >We have a listed grade 2 building to maintain and this effort will help in >a small way to pay some unexpected one off bills like the new mews roof >£26000( 39000dollars), installing uncontaminated water supply for the >catering establishment £13000(19500dollars) plus electrical work, heating >and making old rooms en-suite(ie plus toilet and shower etc). >Thanks in anticipation. >Alan Corkett Country Dance and Song Society PO Box 338/132 Main St, Haydenville, MA 01039-0338 Phone: 413-268-7426 Fax:413-268-7471 http://www.cdss.org office-AT- cdss.org sales-AT- cdss.org camp-AT- cdss.org --Boundary_(ID_Yow869KMIr+vaMPLvOZPUg) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Hi Folks
We need some support here from those who have purchased and liked our benefit CD to contact CDSS with some indication of how much they liked it for publication in CDSS news!
 
now read on...
1/25/01
Hello Alan,
Thank you for letting us know about your new CD. It seems a worthy cause. We haven't received the promo copy yet, so can't evaluate it fairly, but as far as the price goes, here are my thoughts so far:

If your wholesale price to us is L 10 plus post and packing, our retail
price would have to be in the neighborhood of $30.00.
This is due to the U.S. exchange rate plus our usual markup.
That is on the high end even for our imports. I'm wondering if it would be  worth it - sounds like you are doing a good job of advertising and selling directly.
We'd still consider carrying your CD if we could work out a better
price.  Please let me know your thoughts on this.
Best,Dedo Norris
Sales Manager
Note this...
P.S. An alternative might be for us to give it a mention in the CDSS News and direct people to you. - D
...so over to all those 500 satisfied customers out there, here is your opportunity to support Halsway Manor and be first in the limelight - but remember it is Americans first!




At 10:03 PM 12/16/2000 +0000, you wrote:
>Hi
>We would appreciate it very much if you could stock our new CD "Live Music
>from Halsway". Would you like me to send you a quantity? It is a fund
>raising effort by friends of Halsway Manor to help pay expenses of this
>educational charity. Lots of our American friends are supporting us and
>buying copies; I have shipped of 6 or more this week.
>We have a listed grade 2 building to maintain and this effort will help in
>a small way to pay some unexpected one off bills like the new mews roof
>£26000( 39000dollars), installing uncontaminated water supply for the
>catering establishment £13000(19500dollars) plus electrical work, heating
>and making old rooms en-suite(ie plus toilet and shower etc).
>Thanks in anticipation.
>Alan Corkett

Country Dance and Song Society
PO Box 338/132 Main St, Haydenville, MA 01039-0338
Phone: 413-268-7426 Fax:413-268-7471 http://www.cdss.org
office-AT- cdss.org sales-AT- cdss.org camp-AT- cdss.org
--Boundary_(ID_Yow869KMIr+vaMPLvOZPUg)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:55:53 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 22:55:49 -0500 From: Patricia Ruggiero Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: Gigue for Genny/Fair Jenny's Jig To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <000501c0874b$deeaf150$88981c3f-AT- MITRE.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Martin wrote: "The ECD version (LH to cn, RH to pt) is to my mind far more satisfactory. It fills the musical phrase adequately and allows unhurried turns with time for a smile." I assume you are referring solely to this dance when you say "the ECD version" since I know you to be involved in ECD as well as SCD. I would like to point out, for others who might not know it, that Country Corners in ECD is normally handed R-L-R-L; however, this is usually a 16-bar figure which also, to use your nice phrase "allows unhurried turns with time for a smile." Pat ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 01:00:31 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 04:03:06 -0500 From: Kim Barrett Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: dancing in Scotland? To: ecd-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I'm going to be in Aberdeen Scotland for the next couple of weeks, on business. Given the nature of what I'm going over there for, I may find myself with a fair amount of free time, and I'm hoping to fill some of that time with some dancing. I did some looking around on the web, but the only thing I've been able to find anywhere nearby is a contradance in Edinburgh this coming Sunday (which I might make it to). I didn't find find anything else in the area. (I haven't looked for SCD, since I don't have much experience with that. I also figured that might be a little easier to find, once I get around to actually looking.) Anybody know of any ECD, other contras, renaissance dance, or similar things, anywhere in that general area, or can give me pointers for where to look? Thanks. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 03:50:43 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 05:26:28 -0600 From: Dianna Shipman Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: California To: English Article Message-ID: <025901c0878d$f68195c0$82e0490c-AT- pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I'm going to be in Anaheim, California from Feb. 3 through Feb. 7 - any English dance in the area then? Thanks for any info, Dianna Dianna L. Shipman diannashipman-AT- worldnet.att.net PMB 134, 1302 Waugh Drive Houston, TX 77019-3908 Scottish Country Dancing and More web page: http://home.att.net/~diannashipman Info on Houston: http://home.att.net/~diannashipman/Houston.html phone: 713-522-1212 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 06:56:02 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 09:54:25 -0500 From: Anne Lowenthal Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: dancing in Scotland? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <00bd01c087a7$e0d02740$8a8cfea9-AT- oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: Dear Kim., What better place to try some more SCD than Aberdeen and Edinburgh. Check the Grand Chain http://www.scottishdance.net/ and the RSCDS website http://www.rsdcs.org/. There's plenty to keep you busy! Anne Lowenthal ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 08:26:42 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:26:27 -0500 (EST) From: "Susan R. Lorand" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: cotillion questions To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote: > Jonathan wrote: > > part at the end for the final Grand Round). However what if you have > > a 32 bar dance and a 32 bar tune? Should I have the band play the tune > > AAAABB (or ABAABB) to accomadate the changes? > > I'd say that the answer is "don't do that." i strongly agree. alan gives good reasons from the dancers' point of view. as a musician, there are few things i find harder to remember than an unusual pattern of A and B parts. (and every scottish dance program i've played for has included at least one 40-bar dance to a 32-bar tune...) if you want the band to sound their best, don't make it unnecessarily complicated. > cotillion will know what they're getting into and you can do a somewhat more > complicated one, like "The Convention." FWIW, convention is a fun one to play. both the convention (tune: york fusiliers) and marlbrouk are in barnes. both are also in the repertoire of the colonial assembly of the germantown country dancers and look wonderful in period costume with period stepping! susie lorand princeton, nj, usa ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 18:38:38 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 21:39:00 -0800 From: Stephanie Smith Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: President's Ski-Dance Weekend, Feb. 16-19, Laurel Highlands, PA. To: ECD list Message-ID: <3A725EF3.BB814B39-AT- boo.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT There are still some spaces left in the annual President's Ski-Dance Weekend at Camp Soles in the Laurel Highlands of Pennsylvania. Contras, English, and squares called by North Carolina caller Frederick Park and Maryland's own Bob Mathis. Music by Andrea Hoag and Dave Wiesler. A children's program will be provided. Co-sponsored by the Folklore Society of Greater Washington, the Sierra Club, and the Potomac Appalachian Trail Club Ski-Touring Section. Cost: $144 for adult FSGW, SC, and PATC members, $160 non-members; $54.00 for kids 6-12 years. Note: CDSS members qualify for the member price. Registration covers 8 meals, lodging for 3 nights, music and ski instruction. Info: Stephanie Smith 301.229.3577, steph-AT- boo.net or Bob Mathis/Tali Stopak 301.589.7539 or talibob-AT- starpower.net Go to http://www.fsgw.org/skidance.htm for a printable registration form. If you're not familiar with Frederick (Fred) Park, he's a wonderful caller of many different genres, and he does a great job with English dances. We'd love to have any of you ECD-Listers join us. Stephanie Smith Bethesda, MD ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 09:14:54 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:14:35 -0600 (CST) From: j-sivier-AT- ux1.cso.uiuc.edu Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: default direction of a pousette? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <200101291714.f0THEZD20789-AT- staff1.cso.uiuc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT What is the default direction for a pousette? That is should the couples go around one another CW or CCW? My guess is it should be CCW, but that's just a guess. I've got several books that tell that the first gent backs up and the second gent goes forward to start, but none that I've looked at say whether this is in progressed or unprogressed position. If it was unprogressed position this would be CCW, but in progressed position the directions would be reversed. Jonathan ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Jonathan Sivier |Q: How many angels can dance on the | | j-sivier-AT- uiuc.edu | head of a pin? | | Flight Simulation Lab |A: It depends on what dance you call. | | Beckman Institute | | | 405 N. Mathews | SWMDG - Single White Male | | Urbana, IL 61801 | Dance Gypsy | | Work: 217/244-1923 | | | Home: 217/359-8225 | Have shoes, will dance. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Home page URL: http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/j-sivier | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 09:49:04 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:48:37 +0000 From: francis2 Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: default direction of a pousette? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <000801c08a1b$b73619a0$bbd6b0c2-AT- oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <200101291714.f0THEZD20789-AT- staff1.cso.uiuc.edu> The English Dance pousette is a cut down version of the more formalised version used in Scottish dancing. Here the movement IS CW the 1st man moves forward, as the 2nd man moves back. Then they both turn 1/4 to move backwards up or down one place, Then they back into their new position, and turn 1/2 way to progressed positions proper. 4 distinct movements 2steps for each .English dances generally have 1st couple moving forward as the 2nd couple move back but they adjust their positions by moving diagonally up or down then move forward or back to the new position. There is no turning and usually the movements only take up 4 bars of music whereas the Scottish pousette takes 8 bars. Reagrs to all Francis2. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 5:14 PM Subject: default direction of a pousette? > What is the default direction for a pousette? That is should the couples > go around one another CW or CCW? My guess is it should be CCW, but that's > just a guess. I've got several books that tell that the first gent backs > up and the second gent goes forward to start, but none that I've looked at > say whether this is in progressed or unprogressed position. If it was > unprogressed position this would be CCW, but in progressed position the > directions would be reversed. > > Jonathan > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > | Jonathan Sivier |Q: How many angels can dance on the | > | j-sivier-AT- uiuc.edu | head of a pin? | > | Flight Simulation Lab |A: It depends on what dance you call. | > | Beckman Institute | | > | 405 N. Mathews | SWMDG - Single White Male | > | Urbana, IL 61801 | Dance Gypsy | > | Work: 217/244-1923 | | > | Home: 217/359-8225 | Have shoes, will dance. | > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > | Home page URL: http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/j-sivier | > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 10:28:37 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 10:31:58 -0800 From: paul/victoria bestock Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: default direction of a pousette? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010129103158.007c3cf0-AT- oz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <200101291714.f0THEZD20789-AT- staff1.cso.uiuc.edu> Francis wrote >.English dances generally have 1st couple moving forward as the 2nd couple >move back Back to the same old confusion. I've never seen a poussette in which both people in a couple face the same direction. Generally the first couple moves BACK and the second moves FORWARD, from the woman's viewpoint. Good thing you were writing this to another man, who would assume by couple you meant "man." I still prefer CW and CCW which tells all four people what to do. And the default direction is usually CW. Victoria Bestock, Seattle. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 10:38:24 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 10:38:09 -0800 (PST) From: Barbara Ruth Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: default direction of a pousette? To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20010129183809.374.qmail-AT- web1606.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT At least in English dancing the women get to participate in the poussette! According to the description of the Scottish pousette only the men move. I guess they have to carefully dodge around their partners while they are doing all that forwarding, backing and turning. Barbara Ruth --- paul/victoria bestock wrote: > Back to the same old confusion. I've never seen a poussette in > which both > people in a couple face the same direction. Generally the first > couple > moves BACK and the second moves FORWARD, from the woman's > viewpoint. Good > thing you were writing this to another man, who would assume by > couple you > meant "man." > > I still prefer CW and CCW which tells all four people what to do. > > And the default direction is usually CW. > Francis wrote The English Dance pousette is a cut down version of the more formalised version used in Scottish dancing. Here the movement IS CW the 1st man moves forward, as the 2nd man moves back. Then they both turn 1/4 to move backwards up or down one place, Then they back into their new position, and turn 1/2 way to progressed positions proper. 4 distinct movements 2steps for each ===== Great lies of recent history: There is no evidence that smoking causes cancer. "I did not have sex with that woman." George W. Bush won the vote in Florida. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:04:29 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 14:11:16 -0500 From: Loretta Holz Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: default direction of a pousette? To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <00fc01c08a27$412cda30$776cd626-AT- lorettapc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <20010129183809.374.qmail-AT- web1606.mail.yahoo.com> Barbara said > At least in English dancing the women get to participate in the > poussette! According to the description of the Scottish pousette > only the men move. I guess they have to carefully dodge around their > partners while they are doing all that forwarding, backing and turning. I have no idea where you got this idea, Barbara. In SCD both men and women move in the poussette. The foot work is much more complex than for ECD and is very different in strathespeys versus jigs and reels. Loretta ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:07:36 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 20:03:25 +0000 From: graham-AT- gcknight.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: default direction of a pousette? To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <3A75CC8C.29AE-AT- gcknight.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <200101291714.f0THEZD20789-AT- staff1.cso.uiuc.edu> <3.0.6.32.20010129103158.007c3cf0-AT- oz.net> This would of course depend on the dance but in general the 1st man would move forward (the 1st woman back) and the 2nd man moving back (2nd woman moving forward). In Orleans Baffled, for instance, the 1st couple pousette from middle place to the bottom of set with the 1st man moving forward, i.e. clockwise. The 1st couple then cast back to the middle and then they pousette to the top with the 1st man moving backwards, i.e. again clockwise. In Argeers, however, in the 3rd figure the men with their opposites half pousette, the 1st moving forward, i.e. clockwise. After setting and turning single to partners the men pousette their opposites again and again the 1st man moves forwards, i.e. counter clockwise. But in Long Odds and HRH the Prince of Wales Favourite (no jokes please about Camilla Parker-Bowles!!) the pousettes are done from progressed places with 1st man moving forward, i.e. counter clockwise. In other words it depends on the dance and how it makes the dance flow. Graham Knight ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:31:58 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:06:35 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: default direction of a pousette? To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01JZH9Y37F869OXZ77-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Jonathan wrote: > What is the default direction for a pousette? That is should the couples > go around one another CW or CCW? My guess is it should be CCW, but that's > just a guess. I've got several books that tell that the first gent backs > up and the second gent goes forward to start, but none that I've looked at > say whether this is in progressed or unprogressed position. Which books are those? (Few of mine bother to describe a poussette in detail.) > If it was > unprogressed position this would be CCW, but in progressed position the > directions would be reversed. In _Knole Park_, according to _The Playford Ball_, the poussette is CCW. _Physical Snob_ has a series of half poussettes (1s and 2s CW, 1s and 3s CCW, 1s and 3s CCW, 1s and 2s CW.) In my experience, poussettes are most commonly done with the first corner people starting forward, whether you're progressed or unprogressed. That does, oddly, make the default CW when you've progressed, CCW otherwise. But this is "default" in the sense of "unless overridden by explicit instruction." _The First Lady_ goes to some trouble to get one couple improper, and then has a half poussette (draw for the 1s, regular for the 2s) with the men falling back to start. I suppose one could check out Wilson's 181x "Complete System of Country Dancing" and see if he says how poussettes go; I can only think of one other comprehensive prescriptive list of figures. (Which said, I pause to use google to find that list: ECD subscriber Hugh Stewart, under the auspices of The Round, has a good list as http://www.cam.ac.uk/societies/round/dances/elements.htm or available as a book (CDSS carries it). He says: A poussette is a way for two couples to change places. To do a poussette you hold hands with your partner, and one of you pushes to move forwards, while the other moves backwards. The move should be on a diagonal towards the other pousetting couple, and having moved a double out from the set you fall back diagonally into their place (they moving in the opposite direction into your place). This far is described as a half poussette. To do a full poussette you keep moving so you get home having gone round a complete diamond track. Who pushes and who pulls depends on the dance, but by default the senior man should push. Poussettes tend to show up whether people are listening to the music; it is obvious where you should be at the end of each phrase of the music, but it is very easy to get ahead of it. Pulling your partner by bending your arms while standing still is only allowed in extremely crowded halls. which must be right becasue it agrees with me. (In styling, it's worth noting that both parties should push in order to maintain an agreeable tension in the arms, so perhaps you should read "pushes" and "pulls" as "commences forward" and "commences backward" in the text above.) -- Alan > Jonathan > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > | Jonathan Sivier |Q: How many angels can dance on the | > | j-sivier-AT- uiuc.edu | head of a pin? | > | Flight Simulation Lab |A: It depends on what dance you call. | > | Beckman Institute | | > | 405 N. Mathews | SWMDG - Single White Male | > | Urbana, IL 61801 | Dance Gypsy | > | Work: 217/244-1923 | | > | Home: 217/359-8225 | Have shoes, will dance. | > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > | Home page URL: http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/j-sivier | > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:54:16 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:53:53 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Arnold Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: default direction of a pousette? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT If there is logic to the default direction of a pousette, considering the male-first-couple viewpoint of many of the early sources, it would be to have the first man starting out forward. Otherwise they would have called it a "poullette"! Eric (ducking and running away like a little chicken...) Arnold ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:02:07 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:03:07 -0500 From: "Emily L. Ferguson" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: default direction of a pousette? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT >Eric (ducking and running away like a little chicken...) Arnold Whaddaya mean "like"!? Emily L. Ferguson elf-AT- cape.com 508-563-6822 New England landscapes, wooden boats and races, press photography Beetle cats on the web at: http://www.beetlecat.com/gifts.htm http://www.capecod.net/sqtg/nebcba/results/99champs.html http://www.capecod.net/sqtg/nebcba/store.html#yrbook landscape at: http://www.capecodlife.com/CCD/regions/upper_cape.html ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:23:20 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:22:55 -0500 From: "Albert A. Blank" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: default direction of a pousette? (sic) To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3A75DF2F.7D909EAE-AT- sprintmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_z9eFypj5hKeI2979NBEFnQ)" References: <200101291714.f0THEZD20789-AT- staff1.cso.uiuc.edu> --Boundary_(ID_z9eFypj5hKeI2979NBEFnQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Dear Jonathon, From the replies garnered so far, it's quite clear that there is no universal default for the poussette, although CW clearly predominates. The waters get very muddy. Graham Knight mentions Argeers as an example in which M1 starts forward in both halves of the poussette but that is an interrupted figure. The same is true of Hey Boys, as explicitly described in Playford under the title, "Cuckolds all a Row" : "Men put the Co. We. back by both hands ...." in both halves of the interrupted movement. Sharp, in CDB 2, conforms to the original. The Playford Ball has, on the contrary, "... continuing poussette clockwise to original place ... ." which has become the norm since 1990. Kitty Keller and I have talked about the change in The Playford Ball and she agrees that the change was an oversight, not intentional. -- Albert Blank e-mail: fandango-AT- sprintmail.com --Boundary_(ID_z9eFypj5hKeI2979NBEFnQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Dear Jonathon,
    From the replies garnered so far, it's quite clear that there is no universal default for the poussette, although CW clearly predominates.
    The waters get very muddy. Graham Knight mentions Argeers as an example in which M1 starts forward in both halves of the poussette but that is an interrupted figure.  The same is true of Hey Boys, as explicitly described in Playford under the title, "Cuckolds all a Row" : "Men put the Co. We. back by both hands ...."  in both halves of the interrupted movement. Sharp, in CDB 2, conforms to the original.
    The Playford Ball has, on the contrary, "... continuing poussette clockwise to original place ... ."  which has become the norm since 1990. Kitty Keller and I have talked about the change in The Playford Ball and she agrees that the change was an oversight, not intentional.

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Albert Blank
e-mail: fandango-AT- sprintmail.com
  --Boundary_(ID_z9eFypj5hKeI2979NBEFnQ)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 14:06:32 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:05:48 -0500 From: Gene Murrow Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: default direction of a pousette? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20010129.170554.-745929.4.gmurrow-AT- juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT ROFL! "Poullette" as a new figure!! The mind boggles at the dawn of English Poultry Dancing. P.S. No one must show this email to David Green. Gene Murrow EPD Dancer, caller, and plucker On Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:53:53 -0500 (EST) Eric Arnold writes: > If there is logic to the default direction of a pousette, considering > the > male-first-couple viewpoint of many of the early sources, it would > be to > have the first man starting out forward. Otherwise they would have > called > it a "poullette"! > > Eric (ducking and running away like a little chicken...) Arnold > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Permanent address: - for your Address book ISP of the moment: - "Reply" button destination ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 14:16:55 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:16:39 -0600 (CST) From: j-sivier-AT- ux1.cso.uiuc.edu Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: default direction of a pousette? (sic) To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <200101292216.f0TMGd714920-AT- staff1.cso.uiuc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Albert A. Blank writes: > > From the replies garnered so far, it's quite clear that there is no > universal default for the poussette, although CW clearly predominates. Yes, I've seen that from the various messages. My question is a result of trying to work out a dance where the direction is not specified. All is says is "pousette". My tendency at this moment is to take Eric Arnold's advice and have the 1st man push. Thus in unprogressed position this would be CW and in progressed position it would be CCW. Since the figure occurs in the dance I'm working on at the very end it is from progressed position and would thus be CCW. However I will take a further look at the dance and see if the flow of the preceding and following figures imply any particular direction. Thanks. Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 14:57:13 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:56:55 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Arnold Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Music software To: ECD Mailing List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I've recently become aware that Coda Music Technology, the makers of Finale and other music-notation programs, offers their Finale Notepad as a free download at their website at: http://www.codamusic.com/coda/ I've taken a quick look at this and am wondering if this would enable easier transfer of dance tunes, via e-mail file attachment, than other currently-available methods. While it is definitely limited in its scope, it appears that it would be able to handle the bulk of ECD tunes without much difficulty. While it would require the sending person to enter the tune, once the receiver has downloaded the free Notepad program, s/he would have very little difficulty either in printing it out or playing it back over the computer's speakers, thus enabling even those who don't play to get a feel for the tune. I'd be interested in some trial runs with others who might be interested to see if this could be a practical way to send ECD tunes. Eric Arnold Ann Arbor ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:04:08 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:03:52 -0600 (CST) From: j-sivier-AT- ux1.cso.uiuc.edu Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Music software To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <200101292303.f0TN3qN07946-AT- staff1.cso.uiuc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Eric Arnold writes: > > I've recently become aware that Coda Music Technology, the makers of > Finale and other music-notation programs, offers their Finale Notepad as a > free download at their website at: > > http://www.codamusic.com/coda/ > > I've taken a quick look at this and am wondering if this would enable > easier transfer of dance tunes, via e-mail file attachment, than other > currently-available methods. While it is definitely limited in its scope, > it appears that it would be able to handle the bulk of ECD tunes without > much difficulty. While it would require the sending person to enter the > tune, once the receiver has downloaded the free Notepad program, s/he > would have very little difficulty either in printing it out or playing it > back over the computer's speakers, thus enabling even those who don't play > to get a feel for the tune. > > I'd be interested in some trial runs with others who might be interested > to see if this could be a practical way to send ECD tunes. I've been using music files in the ABC format (using ABC2win and PlayQabc) to exchange music with the band members of our group and to play the tunes while practicing leading dances. Jonathan ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Jonathan Sivier |Q: How many angels can dance on the | | j-sivier-AT- uiuc.edu | head of a pin? | | Flight Simulation Lab |A: It depends on what dance you call. | | Beckman Institute | | | 405 N. Mathews | SWMDG - Single White Male | | Urbana, IL 61801 | Dance Gypsy | | Work: 217/244-1923 | | | Home: 217/359-8225 | Have shoes, will dance. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Home page URL: http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/j-sivier | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 18:19:51 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 21:19:26 -0500 From: Patricia Ruggiero Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: default direction of a pousette? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <000001c08a63$11249760$c3981c3f-AT- MITRE.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Francis2 wrote: "The English Dance pousette is a cut down version of the more formalised version used in Scottish dancing. Here the movement IS CW the 1st man moves forward, as the 2nd man moves back." I would like to correct the second sentence. The SCD poussette moves in a CCW direction. As this is an 8-bar figure of progression in SCD, it starts from the unprogressed place. The 1s always dance toward the men's side, while the 2s always dance toward the women's side. Then both couples turn 1/4 to move down (the 1s) or up (the 2s) and so continue dancing around each other CCW to progressed places. I refer you to _The Manual of Scottish Country Dancing_, published by the RSCDS, if there is a doubt about this. As to the first sentence, I think most Scottish dancers understand that the Scottish poussette is a dressed up version of the English poussette; that is to say, that the "default" version of the poussette is the English version. The consensus seems to suggest the following derivation: 1) English poussette 2) "dance around" (waltz, polka, rant, swing and change) replaces poussette in country dancing. Note that the "dance around" is CCW. 3) Miss Milligan seeks to combine the popular figure of "dance around" with the older figure of poussette wherein dancers stay at arm's length from each other instead of the more modern "ballroom hold." In so doing she creates the SCD poussette which has dancers moving CCW while holding hands. I believe Hugh Foss covers this in his "Notes on the Evolution of Scottish Country Dancing" (of which I only read a borrowed copy, so I'm no longer certain of the title). Pat ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 19:39:18 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 22:39:10 -0500 From: Patricia Ruggiero Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: default direction of a pousette? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <000601c08a6e$34cba1d0$c3981c3f-AT- MITRE.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Just like the Playford descriptions of turns (for example). You know, where it says "1st man turns the 2d woman and leaves her in her place." I always form an image of the poor woman being spun like a top. To be fair, though, the RSCDS Manual isn't totally male-oriented in describing the poussette. It addresses "couples" or "all" in most of the description, as in "All progress one step, 1st couple moving down the dance..." One doesn't have to look very far, however, to find examples "worthy" of the Playford descriptions. Pat Barbara Ruth wrote: "According to the description of the Scottish pousette only the men move. I guess they have to carefully dodge around their partners while they are doing all that forwarding, backing and turning." ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 21:40:18 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 21:40:01 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: default direction of a pousette? To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20010130054001.20389.qmail-AT- web3306.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > Eric (ducking and running away like a little chicken...) > Are you ducking or chickening? __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 21:55:43 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 21:59:07 -0800 From: Laurie Andres Subject: Re: default direction of a pousette? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <3A765828.F246FB71-AT- earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_TOsieuo00FzUB18odKISHw)" References: <200101291714.f0THEZD20789-AT- staff1.cso.uiuc.edu> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_TOsieuo00FzUB18odKISHw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type=54455854; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT So far all the responses to Jonathan's query have only referenced modern interpretations of ECD, SCD, or PD (poultry dancing). After looking through a few original instructions, pousette never has any reference to direction. This puts us in a very familiar quandery--Do we follow the instructions of modern interpreters who have come before us whether or not it feels right or awkward, or do we feel free to reinterpret to incorporate new historical research and clarify inconsistencies? Do we follow the aesthetics of Cecil Sharp unquestioningly, or do we please our contemporary sensibilities? Well, you can answer those questions for yourself. There ain't no right or wrong in this business. Myself, I always teach that pousette always move in a clockwise direction irregardless of where the active couple is. It's a simple 'rule' that always works. You do not have to make separate instructions for men and women. It is easy to remember. Laurie Andres j-sivier-AT- ux1.cso.uiuc.edu wrote: > What is the default direction for a pousette? That is should the couples > go around one another CW or CCW? My guess is it should be CCW, but that's > just a guess. I've got several books that tell that the first gent backs > up and the second gent goes forward to start, but none that I've looked at > say whether this is in progressed or unprogressed position. If it was > unprogressed position this would be CCW, but in progressed position the > directions would be reversed. > > Jonathan --Boundary_(ID_TOsieuo00FzUB18odKISHw) Content-type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name=lcandres.vcf Content-description: Card for Laurie Andres Content-disposition: attachment; filename=lcandres.vcf Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT begin:vcard n:Andres;Laurie tel;home:206-784-3477 x-mozilla-html:FALSE adr:;;6712 – 12th Ave NW;Seattle;WA;98117-5248; version:2.1 email;internet:lcandres-AT- earthlink.net x-mozilla-cpt:;3 fn:Laurie Andres end:vcard --Boundary_(ID_TOsieuo00FzUB18odKISHw)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 07:45:37 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:45:19 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Arnold Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: default direction of a pousette? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Mon, 29 Jan 2001, Laurie Andres wrote: > So far all the responses to Jonathan's query have only referenced modern > interpretations of ECD, SCD, or PD (poultry dancing). After looking through a > few original instructions, pousette never has any reference to direction. I do believe there were some references in the preceeding discussion to original instructions -- "1st man put his woman back" or something like that, and a reference to the description of a poussette by Wilson, which, while not an original Playford source, does seem sufficiently close to the time of the dances that Jonathan is considering that it would seem to have some relevance. When did the term "poussette" come into usage in this context? Does Essex use it in his translation of the French manuals? (Did we have this discussion before?) Quack! Quack!! Baaak-buk-buk-buk-buk-buk! Eric ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:18:51 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:18:27 -0800 (PST) From: bob-AT- hottub.demon.co.uk Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Pousettes To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <200101301618.IAA11888-AT- mail.eskimo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Patricia Ruggiero wrote: > I believe Hugh Foss covers this in his "Notes on the Evolution of Scottish > Country Dancing" (of which I only read a borrowed copy, so I'm no longer > certain of the title). Does anyone have any more information on this? I'd be interested in getting hold of a copy. I guess I could always pop over to the strathspey mailing list and ask there as well. ---------------------------------------------------------- -- Bob Archer bob-AT- hottub.demon.co.uk ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:44:51 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:44:34 +0000 From: Orly Krasner Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Music software To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi, Eric-- I've downloaded this free version already and have used it to enter some of my tunes. I'd be interested in discussing advantages/disadvantages of this (and/or other easy-to-use programs--if there IS such a thing!), etc., etc., etc. Whenever you're ready, I can attach a tune for you. Has anybody tried "Sibelius"? Preferences? --Orly _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:44:08 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:39:35 +0000 From: jmtraining Subject: Re: Music software To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <000701c08aeb$ff460360$2d3aff3e-AT- default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: Sibelius is wonderful - but a very different kettle of fish to other methods mentioned. It is basically a DTP package very good for producing full orchestral score. It is loved, and used by serious composers - and is very expensive. John Meechan ----- Original Message ----- From: Orly Krasner To: Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 4:44 PM Subject: Re: Music software > Hi, Eric-- > I've downloaded this free version already and have used it to enter some > of my tunes. I'd be interested in discussing advantages/disadvantages of > this (and/or other easy-to-use programs--if there IS such a thing!), etc., > etc., etc. Whenever you're ready, I can attach a tune for you. Has anybody > tried "Sibelius"? Preferences? > --Orly > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:58:45 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:55:46 -0400 From: Sheila Beardslee Bosworth Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Music software To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: >Sibelius is wonderful - but a very different kettle of fish to other methods >mentioned. It is basically a DTP package very good for producing full >orchestral score. > >It is loved, and used by serious composers - and is very expensive. Not sure what you determine "very expensive" .... I bought it for $250 at the educational price; real retail is $600. Do you think Finale is any cheaper? nope! And I understand the learning curve for Sibelius is much easier on your brain than Finale -- I've had Finale for a while and get just nowhere with it ... Sheila Beardslee Bosworth sheilabb-AT- earthlink.net Editor, Boston Early Music News Deadline January 26 for February 15 issue for events February 15-March 31 WEB Calendar http://www.medieval.org/emfaq/concerts/bemn/ Pavane http://www.earlymusicboston.com/pavane 29 Main Street, Acton MA 01720-3505 VOX 978/263.9926 FAX 978/263.2366 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:25:34 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:25:15 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Arnold Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Music software To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Sheila Beardslee Bosworth wrote: [stuf about "Sibelius" trimmed out] > Not sure what you determine "very expensive" .... > I bought it for $250 at the educational price; real retail is $600. > Do you think Finale is any cheaper? nope! They're comparable -- Finale retails for a bit less, I think ($545?) while their educational price is $275. Either range is for folks who are into it fairly seriously. Finale has two other levels, PrintMusic and Allegro, in addition to Finale Notepad, which give you price/features tradeoffs, and they say files are compatible across their product field (I was able to load and print files, created with Finale 98, using the free Finale Notepad). I presume Sibelius has similar levels? The Codamusic web site gives a useful comparison of what their different programs will & won't do. > And I understand the learning curve for Sibelius is much easier on > your brain than Finale -- I've had Finale for a while and get > just nowhere with it ... I'll agree that the full-blown Finale is not the easiest program to learn, but the question is whether the simple version offered in F. Notepad is particularly more difficult than any other program offering the same or similar (very limited) capabilities. I don't really know any others; what I do know is that what you would learn from F. Notepad would help get you up & running in their higher-level programs, so if it turned out not to be adequate for the purpose, the learning wouldn't be wasted if the user wanted to stay with that product line. What would be most desirable, I think, is that the various versions would learn to read each other's file formats, and output them in similar variety, just as word processors and spreadsheets and the like do now. But we don't seem to be there yet. But by finding & starting to use what seems to work best, we might have a bit of influence in the way things evolve (display naive wishful thinking icon here). Eric Arnold ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:05:09 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:04:51 -0600 From: Bob Borcherding Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Music software To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT For the Macintosh, there is a freeware program called NightLight. The program can do about anything, but is limited as to the number of pages (4). The full version is $139, $69 academic. From the install disk: Please share our Freeware NightLight 2000 with your friends. Here is a summary of what NightLight cannot do that the full version of Nightingale can: NightLight is limited to 4 pages per score file and 9 staves per system whereas Nightingale will do a lot of pages containing up to 64 systems each; we have disabled the ability to hide/unhide staves in Work in Format in Nightlight; we have disabled the ability to open NoteScan [note: a program that scans music and converts it to a editable staff--Bob] and Finale ETF files in NightLight; the page count in NightLight, if used, starts at #1 always, whereas in Nightingale, it can start at any number. That's all! Otherwise NightLight has all the features of Nightingale 2000 Version 4.0 (68K). This is available at: http:\\www.ngale.com -- Bob Borcherding http://members.home.com/bobgap bobgap-AT- home.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:19:40 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:15:03 -0600 From: Lawrence Stout Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Music software To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3A7720C7.E4F20ED4-AT- sun.iwu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: Let me second Jonathan Sivier's recommendation of abc files for trading tunes. I'll admit this isn't exactly an independent suggestion, since I'm the music librarian and major domo (the internal officer in charge of rehearsals and the like) for Flatland Consort, so I'm the one that Jonathan occationally sends files to in abc format. For us it is important that abc works on nearly all platforms (I use a Unix machine and a Linux box, resorting to Windows only when absolutely necessary). I There are extensive libraries of tunes already in abc format (Playford 1st edition and Walsh are ones I've picked up from the web and I have nearly our whole playlist in abc files). It is possible to find nearly any traditional Irish or American tune in abc format through the abc tune web index. The files are easy to produce and, since they are plain text, are easy to send via e-mail. There are abc players available for several different platforms. I use abc2mtex to produce typeset music in large print (I'm slowly losing my eyesight and other members of the band don't mind large notes either). While I don't think I'd want to produce an elaborate orchestral score using abc, I have produced melody line with chords easily and multistaff multipart sheet music without too much fussing. I don't have access to Finale or to Sibelius, so I can't compare the difficulties. For those of us who occationally like to play things in different keys than the original (Upon a Summer's Day is noticably easier to play in Gm) the transposition capabilities of abc2mtex are also useful. -- Lawrence Neff Stout Professor of Mathematics Illinois Wesleyan University http://www.iwu.edu/~lstout "Fiddling is a viol habit." Anon? "Dancing is necessary in a well ordered society." Thoinot Arbeau ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:27:32 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:26:03 -0600 From: Paul Stamler Subject: Re: Music software To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <001401c08afa$deafe3a0$65284b0c-AT- paulstam> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: Hi folks: I downloaded and tried Finale Notepad, and was not impressed. Note entry isn't as easy as Mozart, cut and paste seems to be limited to full measures at a time (or did I miss something?), and it only gives you three measures of 4:4 to a line, which is pretty wasteful. It also demands that you choose an instrument to score for, which is unnecessary if you're simply notating a melody line to be played by any instrument. I've also been messing with Mozart, and again am not terribly impressed. Note entry is *very* easy, cut and paste works with individual notes or phrases -- but you have to create empty measures to paste into before it will let you paste; you can't just tack onto the end of what you've already done. Editing text, once created, seems well-nigh impossible. Both of these programs insist on printing up a full page of staff lines, even if only a few have actual notes on them. Wasteful, time-consuming, and ugly. I'm sticking with SongWright, an extremely clunky DOS program that does almost everything right, except for line wrapping and changing the fonts so you can read the chord symbols. It even redoes the chords when you transpose. $99.95, do a google search online. Peace, Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 12:34:27 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:34:05 -0600 From: Roger Diggle Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Music software To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <200101302034.OAA23663-AT- serak.svc.tds.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I use an antique version of NoteWriter, an interesting notation application for the Mac that appears still to be available, though it's far from free. It and the Opus1 snotation software can be found at: http://debussy.music.ubc.ca/~opus1/welcome.html A couple of links worth checking: http://mthwww.uwc.edu/wwwmahes/courses/music/jwslinks.htm http://www.sun.rhbnc.ac.uk/Music/Links/software.html http://debussy.music.ubc.ca/~opus1/welcome.html Roger Diggle Gratitude is not only the greatest of virtues, but the parent of all the others. -- Cicero ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:15:55 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:15:37 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Arnold Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Music software To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Paul Stamler wrote: > Hi folks: > > I downloaded and tried Finale Notepad, and was not impressed. Note entry > isn't as easy as Mozart, cut and paste seems to be limited to full measures > at a time (or did I miss something?), and it only gives you three measures > of 4:4 to a line, which is pretty wasteful. While it doesn't seem to give the user any control over how many measures go on a line, I did find that it adjusted the number of measures in a line as I entered notes, and some lines ended up with four bars instead of three. (It also left one measure in the last line and I wasn't able to find a way to change that.) But I wasn't thinking of it as the ultimate software package. I was thinking of it as something that someone with no other facilities for printing music might do so without laying out $20 or $50 or $70 or $130 or $600 to do it, with a format in broad-enough use that it wouldn't be unreasonable to hope that some others might be using a compatible package. It also demands that you choose > an instrument to score for, which is unnecessary if you're simply notating a > melody line to be played by any instrument. Yes, that is a rather dumb and annoying, if essentially trivial, feature. Files created with Coda's higher-level programs, however, display without these limitations, so one could still use it to receive, play, & print out these files. Eric ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:16:39 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:16:22 -0800 (PST) From: Jon Berger Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Music software To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Sheila Beardslee Bosworth wrote: > >Sibelius is wonderful - but a very different kettle of fish to other methods > >mentioned. It is basically a DTP package very good for producing full > >orchestral score. > > > >It is loved, and used by serious composers - and is very expensive. > > Not sure what you determine "very expensive" .... > I bought it for $250 at the educational price; real retail is $600. > Do you think Finale is any cheaper? nope! I use Noteworthy Composer, which does everything I want it to do (including playback of multiple lines simultaneously) and retails for $39.95. It might have some problems producing full orchestral scores, but I'm highly unlikely to ever want to do that. It's available for download at the usual download sites. I think this conversation is ably demonstrating why it's never going to be possible to settle on a single standard for exchanging written music. I have to admit that, much as I find it utterly impossible to make sense of, abc is probably the closest there is. Now, if the notation-software industry would just embrace it, the way the word-processor industry seems to have embraced RTF, we might be able to really communicate, but sadly that doesn't seem to be the case. ------------------------------- Jon Berger Personal: jberger-AT- monitor.net Business: jon-AT- perforce.com http://www.monitor.net/~jberger ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:37:01 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:36:43 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Arnold Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Music software To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Jon Berger wrote: [snip] > I think this conversation is ably demonstrating why it's never going to be > possible to settle on a single standard for exchanging written music. I > have to admit that, much as I find it utterly impossible to make sense of, > abc is probably the closest there is. Now, if the notation-software > industry would just embrace it, the way the word-processor industry seems > to have embraced RTF, we might be able to really communicate, but sadly > that doesn't seem to be the case. The principal virtue of abc was that it was encoded as an ascii file which could therefore be transmitted as text in an e-mail. It has served the folk music world in a very useful way because of that, and as a result there are now enormous amounts of music encoded this way accessable through the internet. But the internet is capable of much more sophisticated file transfer without appreciably greater burden to the user, and even though people claim that they can encode complex music with it, you still _need_ an interpreting program to turn it into conventional music for most users. I think that any good music software program ultimately should be capable of reading abc files along with other forms of input, and perhaps should be able to provide an abc output format, which would capture the basics but would ignore some of the finer details just as the RTF does for word-processor files. But it is hard to imagine abc as an efficient encoding for music files generally. Eric ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:37:18 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:37:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael Barraclough Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Music software To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <200101302137.VAA07070-AT- galahad.tgis.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1256 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I (Michael Barraclough) use Melody Assistant. You can download the shareware version for free from http://www.myriad-online.com. Registration costs $15 and you get lifetime? updates. I have had it for 3 years and am still notified each time there is an update. It is available for PC and MAC and has significant import and export capabilities (including ABC as recommended by various other contributors). Capabilites are (their blurb, not mine) Score editor ************ If you use often printed scores, it'll be easy to enter them on your computer : Melody processes almost all the break symbols used in musical writing, and uses them while playing the music. A powerful editor allows you to place and move easily the notes on the staves. Digital output (SoftSynth) ************** A complete digital instrument database is integrated to Melody, which gives hi-quality tunes, even if you don't own professional hardware. Digital sound editor ******************** You can record your own sounds from a CD or a microphone (or load a sound file like .AIFF or .WAV), and use them as instruments in your tunes. Compatibility with other programs ********************************* Your tune files can be played either on PC or Macintosh, since Melody exists on both platforms. Melody allows also to import and export your tunes in MIDI 0 or 1, Midi Karaoke (.KAR), ABC or CMF format. Melody can read Band In A Box style files and MOD, S3M and TAB (ASCII Tablature) files. Exporting the whole tune in AIFF or WAV format allows your music to be integrated in multimedia projects, or to be written later on an audio CD. Tablatures and chord diagrams ***************************** Guitar, Bass and Harmonica players haven't been forgotten : Melody calculates tablatures and displays the chord diagrams. You can even define your own stringed instrument and calculate tablatures for it ! A complete library of guitar chord diagrams is provided with Melody. You can complete this library by defining easily your own chords. Karaoke ******* You can associate lyrics to a tune, and let the music play in Karaoke mode. Of course, Melody loads and processes the MIDI Karaoke file format (.KAR). Graphics and colors ******************* Graphics in black and white or color (in BMP or PICT format) can be inserted at any point on the score. All the symbols can be colorized, globally or individually, in order to enhance the attractiveness of your document. You can drop texts and comments almost wherever on the score. Tune printing ************* Printing is widely user-definable : you can define integrally the printing format. -- Do you VisualMail? Grab a copy of the best WebMailer right now! http://www.mintersoft.com/visualmail ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 14:20:57 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:20:36 -0600 (CST) From: j-sivier-AT- ux1.cso.uiuc.edu Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Music software To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <200101302220.f0UMKad18436-AT- staff1.cso.uiuc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Lawrence Stout writes: > > Let me second Jonathan Sivier's recommendation of abc files for trading > tunes. I'll admit this isn't exactly an independent suggestion, since > I'm the music librarian and major domo (the internal officer in charge > of rehearsals and the like) for Flatland Consort, so I'm the one that > Jonathan occationally sends files to in abc format. For us it is > important that abc works on nearly all platforms (I use a Unix machine > and a Linux box, resorting to Windows only when absolutely necessary). > I > There are extensive libraries of tunes already in abc format (Playford > 1st edition and Walsh are ones I've picked up from the web and I have > nearly our whole playlist in abc files). It is possible to find nearly > any traditional Irish or American tune in abc format through the abc > tune web index. The files are easy to produce and, since they are plain > text, are easy to send via e-mail. There are abc players available for > several different platforms. I use abc2mtex to produce typeset music in > large print (I'm slowly losing my eyesight and other members of the band > don't mind large notes either). Another aspect of using ABC that is useful (for me) is that since it's a text file format, you don't need special software to create music files. Any text editor will do. There are programs that simplify it, but in a pinch I can just use vi. Also I can use the DOS player program to play tunes on my pocket computer (HP200). This can be handy for trying out tempos and reminding myself how the tune goes at dances, etc. Jonathan ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Jonathan Sivier |Q: How many angels can dance on the | | j-sivier-AT- uiuc.edu | head of a pin? | | Flight Simulation Lab |A: It depends on what dance you call. | | Beckman Institute | | | 405 N. Mathews | SWMDG - Single White Male | | Urbana, IL 61801 | Dance Gypsy | | Work: 217/244-1923 | | | Home: 217/359-8225 | Have shoes, will dance. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Home page URL: http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/j-sivier | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:02:49 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:02:31 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Arnold Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Music software To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 j-sivier-AT- ux1.cso.uiuc.edu wrote: > Another aspect of using ABC that is useful (for me) is that since it's > a text file format, you don't need special software to create music files. > Any text editor will do. That's a good point, and in fact you don't even need the text editor -- you can compose the abc directly into your e-mail, if the encoding rules necessary to do what you need are in mind or at hand (I've even had occasion to do that once or twice). But, for me at least, it doesn't work the other way around -- I can't look at the abc transcription and imagine the tune in my head, at least without considerable effort, while I can with conventional music notation. So I can put it on my dance card and be reminded, or even let a musician play from it in an emergency, and I don't need a gadget at that point to interpret it. Eric ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:56:59 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 23:58:58 +0000 From: Kim Barrett Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Music software To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: At 4:44 PM +0000 1/30/01, Orly Krasner wrote: >Hi, Eric-- > I've downloaded this free version already and have used it to enter >some of my tunes. I'd be interested in discussing >advantages/disadvantages of this (and/or other easy-to-use >programs--if there IS such a thing!), etc., etc., etc. Whenever >you're ready, I can attach a tune for you. Has anybody tried >"Sibelius"? Preferences? I've recently seen some positive reviews and discussion of "Igor Engraver", from Noteheads (http://www.noteheads.com), with some favorable comparisons with Finale. It is freeware, currently available on the Mac, with a recently announced beta for Windows. Note that I have not used this program (or any of the others mentioned) myself, not having the appropriate musical skills to be interested in trying it -- I heard about it through an email list related to some of the underlying implementation technology used in the development of Igor. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:57:30 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:57:04 -0500 (EST) From: Tideswell-AT- aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD Digest V1 #876 To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <99.1006da4e.27a8d900-AT- aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 1/30/01 7:00:39 AM, Gene said >The mind boggles at the dawn of English >Poultry Dancing. Featuring such beloved dances as Jenny Cluck Pears and Feather Lake House And now I'll just be accused of egging Gene on.... Nilos ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:07:40 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:07:19 -0600 From: Charlene Charette Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Foss - Notes on evolution in Scottish country dancing To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3A778167.6A4AFFA9-AT- flash.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <200101301618.IAA11888-AT- mail.eskimo.com> > Does anyone have any more information on this? I'd be interested in > getting hold of a copy. I guess I could always pop over to the > strathspey mailing list and ask there as well. Foss, Hugh; Notes on evolution in Scottish country dancing Dalry, H. Foss, Glendarroch, Dalry, Castle-Douglas, Kirkudbrightshire, 1973 ISBN: 0904102009; LCCN: 74-162402 --Charlene -- The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who can't read them. --Mark Twain ===== Free Book Searches (out-of-print, hard-to-find, foreign, used, new) - mailto:findbook-AT- flash.net ===== For Sale: Earnshaw, Pat; Lace in Fashion: From the Sixteenth to the Twentieth Centuries ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:09:27 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 23:37:36 -0500 From: "Dawn C. Culbertson" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Contact information sought To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20010131.000802.-234085.0.dcculb-AT- juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Does anyone on this list know how to get in touch with Cheryl Stafford, a teacher & performer of Renaissance and baroque dance? Last I heard, she was living in the Washington, D.C. area. OK to reply off-list. Dawn Culbertson dcculb-AT- juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 00:24:54 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 08:20:21 +0000 From: jmtraining Subject: Re: Music software To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <001101c08b5e$a8010640$1919ff3e-AT- default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: In the UK it costs around 700 UK pounds!!! abc is virtually nothing! John Meechan ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Beardslee Bosworth To: Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 5:55 PM Subject: Re: Music software > >Sibelius is wonderful - but a very different kettle of fish to other methods > >mentioned. It is basically a DTP package very good for producing full > >orchestral score. > > > >It is loved, and used by serious composers - and is very expensive. > > Not sure what you determine "very expensive" .... > I bought it for $250 at the educational price; real retail is $600. > Do you think Finale is any cheaper? nope! > And I understand the learning curve for Sibelius is much easier on > your brain than Finale -- I've had Finale for a while and get > just nowhere with it ... > > Sheila Beardslee Bosworth sheilabb-AT- earthlink.net > > Editor, Boston Early Music News > Deadline January 26 for February 15 issue > for events February 15-March 31 > WEB Calendar http://www.medieval.org/emfaq/concerts/bemn/ > Pavane http://www.earlymusicboston.com/pavane > > 29 Main Street, Acton MA 01720-3505 > VOX 978/263.9926 FAX 978/263.2366 > > > > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 04:31:53 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 07:31:26 -0500 From: rlhayden Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: The New Jamaica To: ecd-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3A57F47D-AT- webmail.amherst.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Friends, Ed Wilfert recently taught The New Jamaica at our Monday dance. Terrific dance -- Jamaica adapted into a 4 couple longways. Ed's notes were collected at Pinewoods, directly from Colin, he thinks. Is this Colin's dance? It's not in Neil's index, nor in any of Colin's books that we happen to have in stock at CDSS. Can anyone point me to the directions? [Neil, we hear you have a new edition of the index -- could we have a copy at CDSS?] Robin Hayden ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 04:36:12 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 07:35:42 -0500 From: rlhayden Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Playford conference To: ecd-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3A57F48B-AT- webmail.amherst.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Friends, To my utter amazement, I find that I'm going to the Playford conference in London in March. I'd love to know who else from the list is planning to be there. Robin Hayden, looking forward to settling the question of her gender once and for all ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 05:19:26 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 08:12:39 +0000 From: Mary Stafford Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: The New Jamaica To: "'ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU'" Message-ID: <01C08B5D.D7D2A6E0-AT- mes.world.std.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_6quw6KbnafkwLgPD2CFn5A)" --Boundary_(ID_6quw6KbnafkwLgPD2CFn5A) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT The New Jamaica was on the 1990 Boston Playford Ball program. I've sent Robin the directions as they appeared there. The booklet indicated Colin Hume is the author; no printed source is cited. 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I'd love to know who else from the list is planning to be > there. I will be there and am giving a paper/workshop on Newcastle. There are several other list members giving papers etc but I will leave it to them to announce themselves Michael Barraclough -- Do you VisualMail? Grab a copy of the best WebMailer right now! http://www.mintersoft.com/visualmail ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 06:28:30 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 14:28:16 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael Barraclough Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: The New Jamaica To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <200101311428.OAA25340-AT- galahad.tgis.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1256 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Mary Stafford wrote: > The New Jamaica was on the 1990 Boston Playford Ball program. > I've sent Robin the directions as they appeared there. The > booklet indicated Colin Hume is the author; no printed source > is cited. > Tom Cook used to do a 4 couple version of Jamaica which I understood was his invention. I probably first saw this around 15-20 years ago. Are these the same or has one built on the other? Michael Barraclough -- Do you VisualMail? Grab a copy of the best WebMailer right now! http://www.mintersoft.com/visualmail ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 06:54:23 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:01:12 -0500 From: Loretta Holz Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Bellamira- One B or two/ To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <003701c08b96$a6dc3ae0$776cd626-AT- lorettapc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_iiWoA4NXubxw2PAkyoECTw)" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_iiWoA4NXubxw2PAkyoECTw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I have been trying to match the Bellamire directions I have to the music on Volume 2 of More Favorites of the Boston Centre. The directions have AABB but the notes in the booklet talk about the single "B" music. Is there a different version of the dance that has only one B? The count in my directions is 8 bars for each part. Loretta Holz --Boundary_(ID_iiWoA4NXubxw2PAkyoECTw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

I have been trying to match the Bellamire directions I have to the music on Volume 2 of More Favorites of the Boston Centre.  The directions have AABB but the notes in the booklet talk about the single "B" music.  
 
Is there a different version of the dance that has only one B?  The count in my directions is 8 bars for each part. 
 
Loretta Holz
 
--Boundary_(ID_iiWoA4NXubxw2PAkyoECTw)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 07:14:38 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:17:47 -0500 From: Sharon Green Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: The New Jamaica To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <4.1.20010131101042.00bfcc60-AT- popserver.panix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT The 4-couple Jamaica I've taught is the one I picked up in England when Barrie Bullimore was teaching. It's an adaptation by Tom Cook, and Colin, who was with us at the time, said Tom Cook's version is the standard way that folks do Jamaica in England. But it was just called Jamaica, not The New Jamaica. Sharon At 07:31 AM 1/31/01 -0500, rlhayden wrote: >Ed Wilfert recently taught The New Jamaica at our Monday dance. Terrific >dance -- Jamaica adapted into a 4 couple longways. Ed's notes were collected >at Pinewoods, directly from Colin, he thinks. Is this Colin's dance? It's >not in Neil's index, nor in any of Colin's books that we happen to have in >stock at CDSS. Can anyone point me to the directions? > >[Neil, we hear you have a new edition of the index -- could we have a copy at >CDSS?] > >Robin Hayden > > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 07:27:00 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:28:37 -0500 From: Sharon Green Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Bellamira- One B or two/ To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <4.1.20010131102511.00c03760-AT- popserver.panix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_xEW1y+LiYX6wvR0ufk14aw)" --Boundary_(ID_xEW1y+LiYX6wvR0ufk14aw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT The single B version of Bellamira is in the Country Dance Book, New Series, a book put out by EFDSS. The double B version folks south of Boston tend to dance is Charles Bolton's interpretation, which he published in Vol. 1 of his Retreads series. Sharon At 10:01 AM 1/31/01 -0500, Loretta Holz wrote: > > I have been trying to match the Bellamire directions I have to the music on > Volume 2 of More Favorites of the Boston Centre. The directions have AABB > but the notes in the booklet talk about the single "B" music. > > Is there a different version of the dance that has only one B? The count in > my directions is 8 bars for each part. > > Loretta Holz > --Boundary_(ID_xEW1y+LiYX6wvR0ufk14aw) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT The single B version of Bellamira is in the Country Dance Book, New Series, a book put out by EFDSS.  The double B version folks south of Boston tend to dance is Charles Bolton's interpretation, which he published in Vol. 1 of his Retreads series.
Sharon

At 10:01 AM 1/31/01 -0500, Loretta Holz wrote:
I have been trying to match the Bellamire directions I have to the music on Volume 2 of More Favorites of the Boston Centre.  The directions have AABB but the notes in the booklet talk about the single "B" music. 
 
Is there a different version of the dance that has only one B?  The count in my directions is 8 bars for each part. 
 
Loretta Holz
 

--Boundary_(ID_xEW1y+LiYX6wvR0ufk14aw)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 07:27:05 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:28:03 -0500 From: "Emily L. Ferguson" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Bellamira- One B or two/ To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Bellamira has only one very speedy B music. In Boston, for sure. Emily L. Ferguson elf-AT- cape.com 508-563-6822 New England landscapes, wooden boats and races, press photography Beetle cats on the web at: http://www.beetlecat.com/gifts.htm http://www.capecod.net/sqtg/nebcba/results/99champs.html http://www.capecod.net/sqtg/nebcba/store.html#yrbook landscape at: http://www.capecodlife.com/CCD/regions/upper_cape.html ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 07:28:48 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 07:28:31 -0800 (PST) From: Barbara Ruth Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Playford conference To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20010131152831.22347.qmail-AT- web1603.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --- rlhayden wrote: > Robin Hayden, looking forward to settling the question of her > gender once and > for all Robin, I hate to be the one to point this out, but if you haven't figured it out by now, it's probably too late. ;) ===== Great lies of recent history: There is no evidence that smoking causes cancer. "I did not have sex with that woman." George W. Bush won the vote in Florida. __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 07:46:42 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:33:45 -0500 From: Mary Beth Goodman Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Playford conference To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <200101311424.OAA24984-AT- galahad.tgis.co.uk> > > To my utter amazement, I find that I'm going to the Playford conference in >> London in March. I'd love to know who else from the list is planning to be >> there. > >I will be there and am giving a paper/workshop on Newcastle. There >are several other list members giving papers etc but I will leave it >to them to announce themselves Isn't life amazing -- for this tiny (sorry) subculture that we're a part of -- people actually give papers! Mary Beth ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 08:35:43 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 11:37:55 -0500 From: "Susan B. Booker" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Egging Us On...Poultry Dances To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <003701c08ba4$2b0acf40$df1ffcd1-AT- prodigy.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT A little late getting into this one, but here are a few more Poultry Dances: "The Fair Quacker of Deal" "Duckling Bay" "Fair and Soft-Boiled" "Barham Goose Down" "Easter Egg Thursday" "Hambleton's Round Egg" "Orleans Scrambled" _and_ "Sunny-Side-Up Assembly" Waiting for the first Poultry Ball, (where we can all don our fine feathers), Susan Booker ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:04:31 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:04:14 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Egging Us On...Poultry Dances To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20010131180414.4937.qmail-AT- web3303.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --- "Susan B. Booker" wrote: > "Orleans Scrambled" > I think I've done that one a few times. __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:14:41 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:14:24 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD Digest V1 #876 To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20010131181424.6506.qmail-AT- web3303.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > In a message dated 1/30/01 7:00:39 AM, > Gene said > >The mind boggles at the dawn of English > >Poultry Dancing. > --- Tideswell-AT- aol.com wrote: > Featuring such beloved dances as Jenny Cluck Pears and Feather > Lake House > > And now I'll just be accused of egging Gene on.... > > Nilos Featherlarick, anyone? __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:18:13 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:17:57 -0800 (PST) From: Jon Berger Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD Digest V1 #876 To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Wed, 31 Jan 2001, Andrew Peterson wrote: > > In a message dated 1/30/01 7:00:39 AM, > > Gene said > > >The mind boggles at the dawn of English > > >Poultry Dancing. > > > --- Tideswell-AT- aol.com wrote: > > Featuring such beloved dances as Jenny Cluck Pears and Feather > > Lake House > > > > And now I'll just be accused of egging Gene on.... > > > > Nilos > > Featherlarick, anyone? Wattle We Do With the Baby-O? ------------------------------- Jon Berger Personal: jberger-AT- monitor.net Business: jon-AT- perforce.com http://www.monitor.net/~jberger ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:41:29 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:16:37 -0500 From: Mary Beth Goodman Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD Digest V1 #876 To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <20010131181424.6506.qmail-AT- web3303.mail.yahoo.com> > > Featuring such beloved dances as Jenny Cluck Pears and Feather >> Lake House >> >> And now I'll just be accused of egging Gene on.... >> >> Nilos > >Featherlarick, anyone? So much for the paper presenting/academic personification! -- Mary Beth Goodman Quilter http://www.quiltr.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 11:41:54 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 11:46:43 -0800 (PST) From: Barbara Ruth Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD Digest V1 #876 To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20010131194643.18433.qmail-AT- web1610.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --- Jon Berger wrote: > On Wed, 31 Jan 2001, Andrew Peterson wrote: > > > > In a message dated 1/30/01 7:00:39 AM, > > > Gene said > > > >The mind boggles at the dawn of English > > > >Poultry Dancing. > > > > > --- Tideswell-AT- aol.com wrote: > > > Featuring such beloved dances as Jenny Cluck Pears and Feather > > > Lake House > > > > > > And now I'll just be accused of egging Gene on.... > > > > Featherlarick, anyone? > > Wattle We Do With the Baby-O? Cock-a-Doodle-Dos All in a Row? ===== Great lies of recent history: There is no evidence that smoking causes cancer. "I did not have sex with that woman." George W. Bush won the vote in Florida. __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:22:54 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:10:18 -0800 From: Marie Disiewicz Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: musical intruments To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3A78A96A.55086CC5-AT- telus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hello from Vancouver {Surrey}! Would any of you like to answer my question, teachers, students and musicians. Money no object {ya right} I love all the musical instruments I have heard played for ECD, but what would your musical instrument preference be for each of these if you needed 1 musician, 2 musicians , 3 musicians or 4 musicians etc. for classes? Would you give reasons to your choice. What musical instruments do you like for a ball or social dance? Thank you! Answer to the list or email me privately would be welcomed. Cheers Marie ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 20:02:59 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 21:58:29 -0600 From: Larry Stout Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: musical intruments To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <006c01c08c03$6e7ab560$5601950a-AT- default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT For many years I've played in Flatland Consort, a group of from 5 to 13 musicians during that time (five is a bit thin for us, 13 is hard to keep together without a conductor). We play for all of the Central Illinois English Country Dancers sessions: monthly dances, the summer dance in the pool, and two balls a year. We essentially always play unamplified. Here's my opinion on the musical instrument question: Instruments which have been in Flatland in its 8-10 year history: fiddle--a core instrument for the group, we've preferred having two kit--very soft sound, a different tone color flute--another core instrument for the group, often improvising harmony piccolo--adds a bit more punch than the flute pennywhistle Keyboard--usually in piano or harpsicord mode bass--another of our core instruments guitar--a standard oboe--a second instrument for one of our past flute players bassoon--his third instrument tenor krumhorn--brought in for special occations recorders (soprano, alto, tenor)--several members of the Consort play recorder occationally mandolin--second instrument of our fiddle players, though we once had a band member who only played mandolin octave mandolin--second instrument of a fiddle player trumpet--second instrument of a former band member who played a mean recorder prima domra--some of our members once played in a Russian orchestra accordian--occasionally there, sometimes plays percussion, sometimes dances nikelharpa--a rare addition once in the past Northumbrian small pipes-- one of our woodwind players once had a set percussion: doumbek, bodhran, frame drum, wood block, tin can, cardboard brick, washboard triangle, eggs Instruments in other ensembles I've played in: viola cello concertina Preferred ensembles either from past experience as a player or as a dancer: 1 musician: Melody is key, in a small room you have more choices. The period of the dances also matters. fiddle piano kit (when only 4 people are dancing and the room is a rather bare closet) pipe and tabor a single flute or recorder can also work 2 musicians: Melody plus harmony or rhythm. fiddle and cello* (Marshall wrote a lot of Scottish Country Dance music for this combination) fiddle and piano fiddle and viola two fiddles 3 musicians: Melody, harmony, and rhythm. This is a good size of ensemble for most class situations. fiddle, flute, piano fiddle, flute, guitar fiddle, bassoon, piano* (this was a really nice combination to dance to) piano, fiddle, nikelharpa recorder, octave mandolin, bass 4 instruments: Adds more variety in the melody and harmony available. Musicians can change instruments during the piece to allow more tone color variety if you have four. fiddle, flute, piano, bass fiddle, piccolo, bass, guitar fiddle, krumhorn, flute, bass string quartet three recorders and a harpsicord 5 instruments: Flatland's core: fiddle or mandolin, flute or piccolo or whistle or recorder, keyboard, guitar, bass Or take a four instrument group and add a percussionist With five musicians you can have someone providing steady rhythm and have two string players (perhaps alternating between fiddles and mandolins) and two woodwinds (flute and bassoon, 2 flutes, recorders, flute and oboe) Make sure somebody is playing the melody. 6: Piano, two string players, two woodwinds, bass 2 strings, 2 woodwinds, guitar, percussion With six instrumentalists there can be a lot of change in tone color if you have smaller groups playing at any given time. more: Add whatever variety you can get. A core of three rhythm musicians (for us keyboard, guitar and bass) can support quite a variety of high and middle voices. It is best if the musicians trade off, with smaller numbers playing at once so that the sound stays clean and varied. Flatland sounds best in the 6-7 musician range, since that gives some of us a chance to abandon the band and dance. A really large orchestra needs better planning, a conductor, and written arrangements. Larry Stout ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 20:11:30 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 23:10:48 -0500 From: Mary Beth Goodman Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: musical intruments To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <006c01c08c03$6e7ab560$5601950a-AT- default> At 9:58 PM -0600 1/31/01, Larry Stout wrote: > kit--very soft sound, a different tone color OK I'm musically stupid I guess - is this a build it yourself onstage sort of deal or like a morris kit something that is generally the same but differs by location? Mary Beth ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 21:08:58 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 15:03:22 +1000 From: CBS/GRIM Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Music software To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20010201143738.00b25d10-AT- mail.big.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_rh6mrS5o7zLJWzk5cmrDiA)" --Boundary_(ID_rh6mrS5o7zLJWzk5cmrDiA) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT At 06:02 PM 30/1/01 -0500, you wrote: >On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 j-sivier-AT- ux1.cso.uiuc.edu wrote: > > > Another aspect of using ABC that is useful (for me) is that since it's > > a text file format, you don't need special software to create music files. > > Any text editor will do. This lurker in the shadows of your list has a request. The "abc" you are referring to - what is it? Is there software (no-one has specified a site or program) or is it a musician's shorthand you need musical knowledge to use? If someone would enlighten me I would be very grateful - off-list is OK. Thanks Ruth Grim (returning to lurk mode) PS - Any other list members in Brisbane, Australia? --Boundary_(ID_rh6mrS5o7zLJWzk5cmrDiA) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT At 06:02 PM 30/1/01 -0500, you wrote:


On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 j-sivier-AT- ux1.cso.uiuc.edu wrote:

>    Another aspect of using ABC that is useful (for me) is that since it's
> a text file format, you don't need special software to create music files.
> Any text editor will do.

This lurker in the shadows of your list has a request. The "abc" you are referring to - what is it? Is there software (no-one has specified a site or program) or is it a musician's shorthand you need musical knowledge to use?

If someone would enlighten me I would be very grateful - off-list is OK.

Thanks

Ruth Grim (returning to lurk mode)

PS - Any other list members in Brisbane, Australia?
--Boundary_(ID_rh6mrS5o7zLJWzk5cmrDiA)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:20:34 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:20:17 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD Digest V1 #876 To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20010201062017.16211.qmail-AT- web3301.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --- Mary Beth Goodman wrote: > So much for the paper presenting/academic personification! > I've already given my paper on what I think of the Chicken Dance. Andy __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:49:51 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:49:34 -0800 (PST) From: Jon Berger Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: musical intruments To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Wed, 31 Jan 2001, Mary Beth Goodman wrote: > At 9:58 PM -0600 1/31/01, Larry Stout wrote: > > kit--very soft sound, a different tone color > > > OK I'm musically stupid I guess - is this a build it yourself onstage > sort of deal or like a morris kit something that is generally the > same but differs by location? Eentsy teensy 16th-century fiddle, also known as a dancing master's fiddle, or pochette (presumably from the dancing masters' habit of carrying the thing in their pockets, which strikes me as a terrible idea, but I guess cases were expensive back then). And, incidentally, the source of the phrase "cat gut" which has turned so many ailurophiles against fiddlers: the original phrase was "kit gut," meaning the upper part of the sheep intestine the butcher would set aside for the kit maker. ------------------------------- Jon Berger Personal: jberger-AT- monitor.net Business: jon-AT- perforce.com http://www.monitor.net/~jberger