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I need some advice. An American has asked to have CDs sent to the USA.
("Live Music from Halsway Manor" -  listen to samples on
www.halswaymanor.co.uk)
 How much do I need to add on to cover changing currencies and postage and
packing on a CD costing £10 (ten pounds sterling)  in the UK, and I suppose
the other question is, Is it too late for Xmas?
Thanks Alan
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Date: 24 November 2000 23:08
Subject: Re: Seven Jumps


Alan, the dance is Seven Jumps, published in Bob Dalsemer's Folk Dance Fun
for Schools & Families.  It's apparently a Danish dance that exists in many
variants.  In the A music everyone circles left & right.  In the B music
everyone claps & stamps [3 claps, 3 stamps, done 4 times] or jogs in place.
Then the caller tells everyone to perform a particular action ["Shake your
right leg" or "Get down on your right knee."  You do the dance six more
times, each time adding another action.  The grand finale generally has
everyone rolling on the floor.

As far as I can tell, there is no one right way to do the dance.  You might
as well have fun!

Cheers,
Sharon

Here's a description of a variant of the dance which came up on a Google
search:

"Instead of stepping six times and then jumping on seven, which makes sense
because it is called Seven Jumps, she [Phyllis Weikart] had the children
jog in place during the music.  Then when the chords were added, the first
four movements were the same as in STM. (One knee, the other knee, one
elbow, the other elbow)  The last three were to drop flat on your stomach,
turnover flat on your back and finally stick you arms and legs straight in
the air and wiggle them wildly until the piece ends. (I know, I know, ON
THE FLOOR!  Its what keeps music teachers young, or kills us!)"


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  Dear Sharon,
Hi Sharon,

At 10:15 AM 11/15/00 -0500, you wrote:
May I have a copy of Trip to Woodstock?  I think it would be lovely to call
it around here over the holidays.

My previous version of the dance had an error in B1, so I'm sending you 
this updated version.

I intended to send it to the CDS newsletter in September so it would be 
available for Christmas dances. However, I didn't get around to doing that 
so I'm sending it to the ECD list now (better late than never) just in case 
anyone else wants a seasonal 'Christmassy' dance.

I credit my finally following through with this effort to your timely 
prompting and the winter cold (the death of my car battery creating a time 
window and an excuse to be late for work).

thanks for your encouragement & hope to see you dancing soon,

Don


*************************************************************************************
Instructions with music at:
http://www.rpi.edu/~belld2/triptowoodstock.htm

TRIP TO WOODSTOCK - longways duple minor, Don Bell, August 2000. Tune: 
'Ding Dong Merrily' (Branle l'officiel' from Thoinot Arbeau, 
Orchesographie, 1589) The long 'trip' by the 1st couple in part B is 
reminiscent of my first roundabout car trip to call a dance in 
Woodstock,NY. The high point of the evening was a collaboration between the 
4 dancers (all men), 9 band members and myself composing this dance. Thanks 
also go to Rensselaer English Country Dancers and participants in Gene 
Murrow's Dance Choreography Workshop at Pinewoods (Aug 2000)for helpful 
comments. In the B part the first couple may enjoy imagining they are 
taking a winding sleigh ride down a long hill.

A1: PARTNERS SET RIGHT & LEFT, TURN SINGLE RIGHT  (back to place)

A2: CORNERS SET RIGHT & LEFT (towards each other), FALL BACK (to place)

B1: 1s CROSS BY THE RIGHT SHOULDER DOWN THE OUTSIDE TO SECOND POSITION, 2s 
MOVE UP
1s 1/2 FIGURE 8 THRU  2s ABOVE  (end progressed &  proper)

B2: 2s GATE  ORIGINAL 1s UP THE CENTER & DOWN THE OUTSIDE
NEW 2s GATE NEW 1s DOWN THE MIDDLE & UP THE OUTSIDE  

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<html>
&nbsp;Dear Sharon,<br>
Hi Sharon,<br>
<br>
At 10:15 AM 11/15/00 -0500, you wrote:<br>
May I have a copy of Trip to Woodstock?&nbsp; I think it would be lovely
to call<br>
it around here over the holidays.<br>
<br>
My previous version of the dance had an error in B1, so I'm sending you
this updated version.<br>
<br>
I intended to send it to the CDS newsletter in September so it would be
available for Christmas dances. However, I didn't get around to doing
that so I'm sending it to the ECD list now (better late than never) just
in case anyone else wants a seasonal 'Christmassy' dance.<br>
<br>
I credit my finally following through with this effort to your timely
prompting and the winter cold (the death of my car battery creating a
time window and an excuse to be late for work).<br>
<br>
thanks for your encouragement &amp; hope to see you dancing soon,<br>
<br>
Don <br>
<br>
<br>
<b><i>*************************************************************************************<br>
Instructions with music at:<br>
</i></b><a href="http://www.rpi.edu/~belld2/triptowoodstock.htm" eudora="autourl">http://www.rpi.edu/~belld2/triptowoodstock.htm<br>
<br>
</a><b><i>TRIP TO WOODSTOCK</b> - longways duple minor, Don Bell, August
2000. Tune: 'Ding Dong Merrily' (<font face="Courier New, Courier">Branle
l'officiel' from Thoinot Arbeau, Orchesographie, 1589) </font>The long
'trip' by the 1st couple in part B is reminiscent of
<font face="Courier New, Courier">my first roundabout car trip to call a
dance in Woodstock,NY. The high point of the evening was a collaboration
between the 4 dancers (all men), 9 band members and myself composing this
dance. Thanks also go to Rensselaer English Country Dancers and
participants in Gene Murrow’s Dance Choreography Workshop at Pinewoods
(Aug 2000)for helpful comments. In the B part the first couple may enjoy
imagining they are taking a winding sleigh ride down a long hill. <br>
<br>
</i></font>A1: PARTNERS SET RIGHT &amp; LEFT, TURN SINGLE RIGHT&nbsp;
(back to place) <br>
<br>
A2: CORNERS SET RIGHT &amp; LEFT (towards each other), FALL BACK (to
place)<br>
<br>
B1: 1s CROSS BY THE RIGHT SHOULDER DOWN THE OUTSIDE TO SECOND POSITION,
2s MOVE UP<br>
1s 1/2 FIGURE 8 THRU&nbsp; 2s ABOVE&nbsp; (end progressed &amp;&nbsp;
proper)<br>
<br>
B2: 2s GATE&nbsp; ORIGINAL 1s UP THE CENTER &amp; DOWN THE OUTSIDE<br>
NEW 2s GATE NEW 1s DOWN THE MIDDLE &amp; UP THE OUTSIDE&nbsp; </html>

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                  The Central Illinois English Country Dancers
                                   Present An

                   E N G L I S H   C O U N T R Y   D A N C E
                          C H R I S T M A S   B A L L


   The Central Illinois English Country Dancers will be holding their sixth
annual Christmas Ball on Saturday, December 16, 2000.  The dance will be held
at the Channing-Murray Foundation, 1209 W. Oregon, Urbana, IL, on the campus
of the University of Illinois.  There will be a warm up session from 7:00 to
8:00 with a review of the basics of English country dance as well as some of
the evening's dances.  The Ball will follow from 8:00 to 11:00 p.m.  Fans and
finery are encouraged.  Bring fruit or a dessert to share.  There is a $5.00
suggested donation to help cover the cost of the Ball.  We ask that dancers
wear soft soled shoes to help protect the dance floor and avoid using
excessive amounts of perfume for the benefit of others that may experience
allergic reactions.  All dances will be taught and all lovers of English
country dance and music are welcome.

Dances Lead By: Susan Burt, Jane Hobgood and Jonathan Sivier
Music Provided By: The Flatland Consort
Warm Up Session: 7:00 p.m.
Christmas Ball: 8:00 to 11:00 p.m.
Date: Saturday, December 16, 2000
Location: Channing-Murray Foundation, 1209 W. Oregon, Urbana, IL
Suggested Donation: $5.00

   There will be refreshments and a mummers' play at the break and a dessert
party following the dance.

   The evening's dances will be selected from the following list:

Elizabeth - duple minor longways
Gay Gordons - circle mixer
The Girl I Left Behind Me - triple minor longways
A Grand March
Heartsease - 2 couples
Holborn March - duple minor longways
Jenny Pluck Pears - 3 couple circle
Lull Me Beyond Thee - 4 couple longways
Rakes of Rochester - duple minor longways
Red House - duple minor longways
Shropshire Lass - 3 couple longways
Waltz Country Dance - Sicilian circle
Well Hall - duple minor longways

   For further information contact Jonathan Sivier (j-sivier-AT-
uiuc.edu) at
217/359-8225 or Jane Hobgood at 217/328-1708.  You can check the Christmas
Ball website at http://www.prairienet.org/ciecd/xmas.html

   For those who are interested, the Urbana Country Dancers will be holding a
contra dance on Friday, December 15, from 8 to 11 p.m. at the Phillip's
Recreation Center, 505 W. Stoughton, Urbana.  Deborah Hyland from St. Louis
will be calling and the band will be The Prairie Dogs.

   Central Illinois English Country Dancers is affiliated with the Champaign
Park District and a member of the Champaign County Cultural Consortium.


                    If we don't see you at the Ball,
                    Then 'Happy Hols' to one and all!


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|  j-sivier-AT-
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|  Beckman Institute             |                                      |
|  405 N. Mathews                |  SWMDG - Single White Male           |
|  Urbana, IL  61801             |          Dance Gypsy                 |
|  Work: 217/244-1923            |                                      |
|  Home: 217/359-8225            |  Have shoes, will dance.             |
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I'm crushed!

When I heard that the Modern Treasures cd was out containing the tune
"Winter Solstice," I rushed to the telephone and ordered it.  At last, I
thought, I get to hear the mystery tune, the tune for which neither
recordings nor sheet music are available in the United States!

And the band played . . . . "Early One Morning,"  a tune that I can never
hear without also having to hear the horridly sappy lyrics in my head.
"While the dance has its own tune (the jig "Winter Solstice" by David Dean,
published with the dance directions), Bare Necessities and the Boston Centre
enjoy the graceful quality lent by the folk song . . . . "

WAAAAAH!

Does anyone have a US source for either the sheet music or a recording of
"Winter Solstice" by David Dean?

Marian


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Seeing this email about a ball which was the SIXTH occurrence of the event,
set me thinking about how long we have been doing things in England!
I have just been typing an advert for the 33rd Devon Playford (I guess that
what you call English country dancing!) Weekend at Halsway Manor, 30th
March - 1stApril, 2001. But we get used to these high numbers where all
these clubs that started in the square dance boom in the 50's & 60's, the
craze that came over from the States in that period. Now of course they
celebrate every ten years and so the numbers rise, soon we'll see all these
people congratulating themselves on dancing for 50 years!  I suppose it is
what comes of living so long, and I guess that 6 years can be a long time if
you are doing all the organising and selling the tickets and persuading
people to come!
Anyway Happy dancing & Happy Christmas
Alan Corkett
and Thanks for all the letter telling me how to send CDs to the USA.
If you are over here!... then come to my Twelfth Night Revels at Halsway
Manor; King of Misrule is Brian Heaton; Music from myself & Friends, with
Dancing, Singing, Morris & Sword and Mumming and mince pies and mulled wine,
you name it we got it - only £3.50pounds sterling. £12 to include dinner £32
to include bed & breakfast. £96.10 to stay the whole weekend!
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Date: 04 December 2000 20:48
Subject: Christmas Ball 12/16 in Illinois


                  The Central Illinois English Country Dancers
                                   Present An

                   E N G L I S H   C O U N T R Y   D A N C E
                          C H R I S T M A S   B A L L


   The Central Illinois English Country Dancers will be holding their sixth
annual Christmas Ball on Saturday, December 16, 2000.  The dance will be
held
at the Channing-Murray Foundation, 1209 W. Oregon, Urbana, IL, on the campus
of the University of Illinois.  There will be a warm up session from 7:00 to
8:00 with a review of the basics of English country dance as well as some of
the evening's dances.  The Ball will follow from 8:00 to 11:00 p.m.  Fans
and
finery are encouraged.  Bring fruit or a dessert to share.  There is a $5.00
suggested donation to help cover the cost of the Ball.  We ask that dancers
wear soft soled shoes to help protect the dance floor and avoid using
excessive amounts of perfume for the benefit of others that may experience
allergic reactions.  All dances will be taught and all lovers of English
country dance and music are welcome.

Dances Lead By: Susan Burt, Jane Hobgood and Jonathan Sivier
Music Provided By: The Flatland Consort
Warm Up Session: 7:00 p.m.
Christmas Ball: 8:00 to 11:00 p.m.
Date: Saturday, December 16, 2000
Location: Channing-Murray Foundation, 1209 W. Oregon, Urbana, IL
Suggested Donation: $5.00

   There will be refreshments and a mummers' play at the break and a dessert
party following the dance.

   The evening's dances will be selected from the following list:

Elizabeth - duple minor longways
Gay Gordons - circle mixer
The Girl I Left Behind Me - triple minor longways
A Grand March
Heartsease - 2 couples
Holborn March - duple minor longways
Jenny Pluck Pears - 3 couple circle
Lull Me Beyond Thee - 4 couple longways
Rakes of Rochester - duple minor longways
Red House - duple minor longways
Shropshire Lass - 3 couple longways
Waltz Country Dance - Sicilian circle
Well Hall - duple minor longways

   For further information contact Jonathan Sivier (j-sivier-AT-
uiuc.edu) at
217/359-8225 or Jane Hobgood at 217/328-1708.  You can check the Christmas
Ball website at http://www.prairienet.org/ciecd/xmas.html

   For those who are interested, the Urbana Country Dancers will be holding
a
contra dance on Friday, December 15, from 8 to 11 p.m. at the Phillip's
Recreation Center, 505 W. Stoughton, Urbana.  Deborah Hyland from St. Louis
will be calling and the band will be The Prairie Dogs.

   Central Illinois English Country Dancers is affiliated with the Champaign
Park District and a member of the Champaign County Cultural Consortium.


                    If we don't see you at the Ball,
                    Then 'Happy Hols' to one and all!


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|  Jonathan Sivier               |Q: How many angels can dance on the   |
|  j-sivier-AT-
uiuc.edu             |   head of a pin?                     |
|  Flight Simulation Lab         |A: It depends on what dance you call. |
|  Beckman Institute             |                                      |
|  405 N. Mathews                |  SWMDG - Single White Male           |
|  Urbana, IL  61801             |          Dance Gypsy                 |
|  Work: 217/244-1923            |                                      |
|  Home: 217/359-8225            |  Have shoes, will dance.             |
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|  Home page URL: http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/j-sivier                   |
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Alan Corkett wrote (about a Midwestern Christmas ball):

   Seeing this email about a ball which was the SIXTH occurrence of the event,
   set me thinking about how long we have been doing things in England!
   I have just been typing an advert for the 33rd Devon Playford (I guess that
   what you call English country dancing!) Weekend at Halsway Manor, 30th
   March - 1stApril, 2001. But we get used to these high numbers where all
   these clubs that started in the square dance boom in the 50's & 60's, the
   craze that came over from the States in that period. Now of course they
   celebrate every ten years and so the numbers rise, soon we'll see all these
   people congratulating themselves on dancing for 50 years!  I suppose it is
   what comes of living so long, and I guess that 6 years can be a long time if
   you are doing all the organising and selling the tickets and persuading
   people to come!
   Anyway Happy dancing & Happy Christmas
   Alan Corkett

The ECD revival has been very spotty in the United States, but it goes back
quite a long way.  (It would be interesting to see a historical map; the 
impression I get is that it was entrenched on the East Coast from c.1915 
forward; could be argued to have spread around as part of the post-WWII 
International Folk Dance trend; get to the West Coast some 30 years ago,
and has been filling in in various parts of the middle for a long time.)

In a part I didn't quote, Alan plugs a Christmas Revel at Halsway.  There's
been a "Bracebridge Dinner" (which is essentially a Christmas Revel,
specifically connected to Washington Irving's "Old Christmas" writing about
Bracebridge Hall) at the Ahwanee in Yosemite since the mid-1920s.  Ansel
Adams was the original Lord of Misrule there.  Some US - even some California
- traditions go back a noticeable distance. 

And New England actually has a more or less continuous contradance tradition, 
even if the actual dancing has changed quite a bit over that time.  

-- Alan


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Alan will you please stop answering messages before they've even been
sent. Time travel is all well and good, but it's confusing to those
of us who aren't Timelords.
:)
Barbara

--- Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing <winston-AT-
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wrote:
> 
> Alan Corkett wrote (about a Midwestern Christmas ball):
> 
>    Seeing this email about a ball which was the SIXTH occurrence of
> the event,
>    set me thinking about how long we have been doing things in
> England!
 


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Personally I think that the dance A trip to Woodstock could be a little more interesting if the 1st couple did their 1/2 fig 8 Down through the next 2's below, they would then be going in the right direction for the gates up figure with original 2's befor the gates down figure with the new 2's again?
 Regards and Happy Christmas
francis2
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Don Bell 
  To: Sharon Green 
  Cc: ECD-AT-
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  Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 4:44 PM
  Subject: Trip to Woodstock Christmas Dance


   Dear Sharon,
  Hi Sharon,

  At 10:15 AM 11/15/00 -0500, you wrote:
  May I have a copy of Trip to Woodstock?  I think it would be lovely to call
  it around here over the holidays.

  My previous version of the dance had an error in B1, so I'm sending you this updated version.

  I intended to send it to the CDS newsletter in September so it would be available for Christmas dances. However, I didn't get around to doing that so I'm sending it to the ECD list now (better late than never) just in case anyone else wants a seasonal 'Christmassy' dance.

  I credit my finally following through with this effort to your timely prompting and the winter cold (the death of my car battery creating a time window and an excuse to be late for work).

  thanks for your encouragement & hope to see you dancing soon,

  Don 


  *************************************************************************************
  Instructions with music at:
  http://www.rpi.edu/~belld2/triptowoodstock.htm

  TRIP TO WOODSTOCK - longways duple minor, Don Bell, August 2000. Tune: 'Ding Dong Merrily' (Branle l'officiel' from Thoinot Arbeau, Orchesographie, 1589) The long 'trip' by the 1st couple in part B is reminiscent of my first roundabout car trip to call a dance in Woodstock,NY. The high point of the evening was a collaboration between the 4 dancers (all men), 9 band members and myself composing this dance. Thanks also go to Rensselaer English Country Dancers and participants in Gene Murrow's Dance Choreography Workshop at Pinewoods (Aug 2000)for helpful comments. In the B part the first couple may enjoy imagining they are taking a winding sleigh ride down a long hill. 

  A1: PARTNERS SET RIGHT & LEFT, TURN SINGLE RIGHT  (back to place) 

  A2: CORNERS SET RIGHT & LEFT (towards each other), FALL BACK (to place)

  B1: 1s CROSS BY THE RIGHT SHOULDER DOWN THE OUTSIDE TO SECOND POSITION, 2s MOVE UP
  1s 1/2 FIGURE 8 THRU  2s ABOVE  (end progressed &  proper)

  B2: 2s GATE  ORIGINAL 1s UP THE CENTER & DOWN THE OUTSIDE
  NEW 2s GATE NEW 1s DOWN THE MIDDLE & UP THE OUTSIDE  

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Personally I think that the dance A trip to 
Woodstock could be a little more interesting if the 1st couple did their 1/2 fig 
8 Down through the next 2's below, they would then be going in the right 
direction for the gates up figure with original 2's befor the gates down figure 
with the new 2's again?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>&nbsp;Regards and Happy Christmas</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>francis2</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV 
  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A href="mailto:dbell1-AT-
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  </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:mls-AT-
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  title=mls-AT-
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A 
  href="mailto:ECD-AT-
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  title=ECD-AT-
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 04, 2000 4:44 
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Trip to Woodstock Christmas 
  Dance</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>&nbsp;Dear Sharon,<BR>Hi Sharon,<BR><BR>At 10:15 AM 11/15/00 
  -0500, you wrote:<BR>May I have a copy of Trip to Woodstock?&nbsp; I think it 
  would be lovely to call<BR>it around here over the holidays.<BR><BR>My 
  previous version of the dance had an error in B1, so I'm sending you this 
  updated version.<BR><BR>I intended to send it to the CDS newsletter in 
  September so it would be available for Christmas dances. However, I didn't get 
  around to doing that so I'm sending it to the ECD list now (better late than 
  never) just in case anyone else wants a seasonal 'Christmassy' dance.<BR><BR>I 
  credit my finally following through with this effort to your timely prompting 
  and the winter cold (the death of my car battery creating a time window and an 
  excuse to be late for work).<BR><BR>thanks for your encouragement &amp; hope 
  to see you dancing soon,<BR><BR>Don 
  <BR><BR><BR><B><I>*************************************************************************************<BR>Instructions 
  with music at:<BR></I></B><A 
  href="http://www.rpi.edu/~belld2/triptowoodstock.htm" 
  eudora="autourl">http://www.rpi.edu/~belld2/triptowoodstock.htm<BR><BR></A><B><I>TRIP 
  TO WOODSTOCK</B> - longways duple minor, Don Bell, August 2000. Tune: 'Ding 
  Dong Merrily' (<FONT face="Courier New, Courier">Branle l'officiel' from 
  Thoinot Arbeau, Orchesographie, 1589) </FONT>The long 'trip' by the 1st couple 
  in part B is reminiscent of <FONT face="Courier New, Courier">my first 
  roundabout car trip to call a dance in Woodstock,NY. The high point of the 
  evening was a collaboration between the 4 dancers (all men), 9 band members 
  and myself composing this dance. Thanks also go to Rensselaer English Country 
  Dancers and participants in Gene Murrow&#8217;s Dance Choreography Workshop at 
  Pinewoods (Aug 2000)for helpful comments. In the B part the first couple may 
  enjoy imagining they are taking a winding sleigh ride down a long hill. 
  <BR><BR></I></FONT>A1: PARTNERS SET RIGHT &amp; LEFT, TURN SINGLE RIGHT&nbsp; 
  (back to place) <BR><BR>A2: CORNERS SET RIGHT &amp; LEFT (towards each other), 
  FALL BACK (to place)<BR><BR>B1: 1s CROSS BY THE RIGHT SHOULDER DOWN THE 
  OUTSIDE TO SECOND POSITION, 2s MOVE UP<BR>1s 1/2 FIGURE 8 THRU&nbsp; 2s 
  ABOVE&nbsp; (end progressed &amp;&nbsp; proper)<BR><BR>B2: 2s GATE&nbsp; 
  ORIGINAL 1s UP THE CENTER &amp; DOWN THE OUTSIDE<BR>NEW 2s GATE NEW 1s DOWN 
  THE MIDDLE &amp; UP THE OUTSIDE&nbsp; </BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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There's
> been a "Bracebridge Dinner" (which is essentially a Christmas Revel,
> specifically connected to Washington Irving's "Old Christmas" writing
about
> Bracebridge Hall) at the Ahwanee in Yosemite since the mid-1920s

Irving's "Bracebridge" was of course based more or less on real life
happenings at Aston Hall, Birmingham.

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The way I heard it, the REALLY authentic version of "A Trip to Woodstock"
actually ends up in Bethel.

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At 11:34 PM 12/4/00 +0000, you wrote:
>Personally I think that the dance A trip to Woodstock could be a little 
>more interesting if the 1st couple did their 1/2 fig 8 Down through the 
>next 2's below, they would then be going in the right direction for the 
>gates up figure with original 2's befor the gates down figure with the new 
>2's again?
>  Regards and Happy Christmas
>francis2

Good thought! I'll try it on my group & see how it goes.

Don

>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <mailto:dbell1-AT-
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>>To: <mailto:mls-AT-
panix.com>Sharon Green
>>Cc: <mailto:ECD-AT-
SSRL04.SLAC.Stanford.EDU>ECD-AT-
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>>Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 4:44 PM
>>Subject: Trip to Woodstock Christmas Dance
>>
>>  Dear Sharon,
>>Hi Sharon,
>>
>>At 10:15 AM 11/15/00 -0500, you wrote:
>>May I have a copy of Trip to Woodstock?  I think it would be lovely to call
>>it around here over the holidays.
>>
>>My previous version of the dance had an error in B1, so I'm sending you 
>>this updated version.
>>
>>I intended to send it to the CDS newsletter in September so it would be 
>>available for Christmas dances. However, I didn't get around to doing 
>>that so I'm sending it to the ECD list now (better late than never) just 
>>in case anyone else wants a seasonal 'Christmassy' dance.
>>
>>I credit my finally following through with this effort to your timely 
>>prompting and the winter cold (the death of my car battery creating a 
>>time window and an excuse to be late for work).
>>
>>thanks for your encouragement & hope to see you dancing soon,
>>
>>Don
>>
>>
>>*************************************************************************************
>>Instructions with music at:
>>http://www.rpi.edu/~belld2/triptowoodstock.htm
>>
>>TRIP TO WOODSTOCK - longways duple minor, Don Bell, August 2000. Tune: 
>>'Ding Dong Merrily' (Branle l'officiel' from Thoinot Arbeau, 
>>Orchesographie, 1589) The long 'trip' by the 1st couple in part B is 
>>reminiscent of my first roundabout car trip to call a dance in 
>>Woodstock,NY. The high point of the evening was a collaboration between 
>>the 4 dancers (all men), 9 band members and myself composing this dance. 
>>Thanks also go to Rensselaer English Country Dancers and participants in 
>>Gene Murrow s Dance Choreography Workshop at Pinewoods (Aug 2000)for 
>>helpful comments. In the B part the first couple may enjoy imagining they 
>>are taking a winding sleigh ride down a long hill.
>>
>>A1: PARTNERS SET RIGHT & LEFT, TURN SINGLE RIGHT  (back to place)
>>
>>A2: CORNERS SET RIGHT & LEFT (towards each other), FALL BACK (to place)
>>
>>B1: 1s CROSS BY THE RIGHT SHOULDER DOWN THE OUTSIDE TO SECOND POSITION, 
>>2s MOVE UP
>>1s 1/2 FIGURE 8 THRU  2s ABOVE  (end progressed &  proper)
>>
>>B2: 2s GATE  ORIGINAL 1s UP THE CENTER & DOWN THE OUTSIDE
>>NEW 2s GATE NEW 1s DOWN THE MIDDLE & UP THE OUTSIDE

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Hi Don!

 

As long as you're out there in the dance ethers, considering other options 
for your dance...how about having the corners turn single Right back to place in 
the A2 to maintain the symmetry of the A1?

 

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>
>   The evening's dances :
>
>Elizabeth - duple minor longways
>Gay Gordons - circle mixer

When do you mix in Gay Gordons?

I have only done it as a one-partner dance, and can't see when the best
moment would be to progress -- but always ready to try !

Martin,
 in Grenoble, France.

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It could well be due to that natural timelord - the Atlantic Ocean and
differing timezones.

John Meechan

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> Alan will you please stop answering messages before they've even been
> sent. Time travel is all well and good, but it's confusing to those
> of us who aren't Timelords.
> :)
> Barbara
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> >
> > Alan Corkett wrote (about a Midwestern Christmas ball):
> >
> >    Seeing this email about a ball which was the SIXTH occurrence of
> > the event,
> >    set me thinking about how long we have been doing things in
> > England!
>
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Hi Mary !

At 07:32 PM 12/4/00 -0500, you wrote:
>As long as you're out there in the dance ethers, considering other options 
>for your dance...how about having the corners turn single Right back to 
>place in the A2 to maintain the symmetry of the A1?
>

Well...that's the way I had it originally but then it seemed a bit awkward 
after corners are coming forward to meet; also, the simple fall back seemed 
an easier orientation for 1s who are about to launch out on their trip. At 
Gene's choreography workshop last summer the consensus seemed to be that 
the lack of symmetry here would keep experienced dancers more mentally 
alert. Feel free to call it that way if you like it better. I do like 
Francis'  suggestion of 1st couple doing their 1/2 fig 8 down through the 
next 2's below and will probably make this revision once I've seen it work 
for most dancers.

I just had a chuckle recalling someone's response when I announced the 
title, 'Trip to Woodstock', They burst out laughing assuming I was 
referring to another kind of 'trip' associated with Woodstock.

Thanks for the feedback.

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Hi, Martin:

Herewith Progressive Gay Gordons:

A1    Walk forward with partner, turning toward each other
        continue backwards, still in a counter-clockwise
        direction. Repeat whole clockwise. {Usual figure.]

B1    Inside hands joined, balance towards partner, then
        away, and the man passes the girl onto the inside of
        the circle by passing her in front and changing hands.
        Repeat balances towards and away, then the man
        passes the girl under his left arm to the outside of
        the man behind.

        Repeat whole with new partner.

The above as per English Dance and Song Society.

Never tried this with Scottish dancers.

> When do you mix in Gay Gordons?
>
> I have only done it as a one-partner dance, and can't see when the best
> moment would be to progress -- but always ready to try !

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Instructions for Gae Gordon's as a mixer excerpted.

>İİİİİİİ away, and the man passes the girl

> the man
>İİİİİİİ passes the girl

Aarg.  Can't we at least agree that if you've got a man you've also got a
lady, and if you've got a boy you've also got a girl?

It's the essential chauvinism problem.  Goes right down to the language,
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John Wood wrote:

 >Herewith Progressive Gay Gordons:
 >
 >A1   Walk forward with partner, turning toward each other
 >     continue backwards, still in a counter-clockwise
 >     direction. Repeat whole clockwise. {Usual figure.]
 >     ...

Usual? Really? Toward each other? I've never done it or seen it
done any other way but that both partners turn to the right,
mantaining right hand in right hand and left hand in left hand.

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M Sheffield writes:
> 
> >   The evening's dances :
> >
> >Elizabeth - duple minor longways
> >Gay Gordons - circle mixer
> 
> When do you mix in Gay Gordons?
> 
> I have only done it as a one-partner dance, and can't see when the best
> moment would be to progress -- but always ready to try !

   I have found that there are several variations on this dance, some are
mixers and some are not.  The version I'm planning on doing goes like this
(if I can remember correctly off the top of my head).

1 - promenade CCW going forward with partner, turn and continue in same
    direction backing up.
2 - promenade CW (back the way you came) going forward with partner, turn
    and continue in same direction backing up.
3 - take inside hands with partner, balance together and apart, roll away
    with a half-sashay to trade places.
4 - balance together and apart, turn the women under to send them on to the
    next man CW around the circle.

Jonathan

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At 10:46 AM 12/5/00 -0500, DavBarnert-AT-
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>John Wood wrote:
>
> >Herewith Progressive Gay Gordons:
> >
> >A1   Walk forward with partner, turning toward each other
> >     continue backwards, still in a counter-clockwise
> >     direction. Repeat whole clockwise. {Usual figure.]
> >     ...
>
>Usual? Really? Toward each other? I've never done it or seen it
>done any other way but that both partners turn to the right,
>mantaining right hand in right hand and left hand in left hand.

I believe by "Usual Figure" John means the balance in & out, pass the lady
across, balance in & out, pass her to the man behind that provides the
progression in the mixer version.  

Both versions, the progressive mixer version & the couple dance version,
are found in Sybil Clark and Mary Evans' Swing Partners, published in 1964.

David, alas, there is no one true way... (~:

Hugs,
Sharon
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DavBarnert-AT-
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> 
> John Wood wrote:
> 
>  >Herewith Progressive Gay Gordons:
>  >
>  >A1   Walk forward with partner, turning toward each other
>  >     continue backwards, still in a counter-clockwise
>  >     direction. Repeat whole clockwise. {Usual figure.]
>  >     ...
> 
> Usual? Really? Toward each other? I've never done it or seen it
> done any other way but that both partners turn to the right,
> mantaining right hand in right hand and left hand in left hand.

   It depends on the type of hold being done for the promenade.  If you
use the Varsouvienne (sp?) hold both partners turn the same way in
parallel.  If you use the skaters' hold (hands joined in front with arms
crossed) you turn towards your partner as you turn around.  There may be
different effects with other promenade holds.

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> Aarg.  Can't we at least agree that if you've got a man you've also got a
> lady, and if you've got a boy you've also got a girl?
>
> It's the essential chauvinism problem.  Goes right down to the language,
> reflecting the mindset.

Or, if you've got a man you've also got a woman; but if you've got a lady,
let's charitably assume that you've also got a gentleman.

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--- Sharon Green <mls-AT-
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> At 10:46 AM 12/5/00 -0500, DavBarnert-AT-
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.......................
> Both versions, the progressive mixer version & the couple dance
> version,
> are found in Sybil Clark and Mary Evans' Swing Partners, published
> in 1964.

> David, alas, there is no one true way... (~: 

Sort of like the ballot count in Florida in that respect.

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On Tue, 5 Dec 2000 j-sivier-AT-
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[snip]

>    It depends on the type of hold being done for the promenade.  If you
> use the Varsouvienne (sp?) hold both partners turn the same way in
> parallel.  If you use the skaters' hold (hands joined in front with arms
> crossed) you turn towards your partner as you turn around.  There may be
> different effects with other promenade holds.

Hmmm... yes, I can imagine some other effects...  But with the two turns
you've described, you've pretty well covered the possibilities with
respect to turns about the vertical axis, with the same rotational sense
in one case (Varsouvienne) and opposite in the other (skaters').  But
there are two more orthogonal axes about which turns might be executed in
an independent way, to face back in the other direction, both horizontal
axes -- they could be chosen along the line of dance and across the line
of dance, for example.  And I can imagine that different holds might
enable such turns, but I see one difficulty: if you turn about either of
these two axes such as to face the other way (a half-turn), you
unfortunately end up upside-down, and then you need to rotate another
half-turn about the other horizontal axis to correct this, assuming that
you want to have your hands free to maintain or at least resume the hold.
There are a lot of choices when two turns are involved in this way, since
you have two symmetry types for each turn, or four combinations in all
(turn in parallel or toward each other for each of the turns in any
combination).  Which of these, if any, would permit the handhold to be
maintained throughout the figure I'll leave to others to figure out...
the general appearance would be something like a combination of a half
handspring followed by a half cartwheel, which could be a bit tricky,
particularly if you couldn't land on your hands part way through to change
the direction of your rotational axis...

So, Jonathan, I think you've actually covered the options pretty well!

Have fun at the ball!

Eric

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On Tue, 5 Dec 2000 DavBarnert-AT-
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> John Wood wrote:
> 
>  >Herewith Progressive Gay Gordons:
>  >
>  >A1   Walk forward with partner, turning toward each other
>  >     continue backwards, still in a counter-clockwise
>  >     direction. Repeat whole clockwise. {Usual figure.]
>  >     ...
> 
> Usual? Really? Toward each other? I've never done it or seen it
> done any other way but that both partners turn to the right,
> mantaining right hand in right hand and left hand in left hand.
> 

  "There are five and sixty ways of constructing tribal lays,
  "And every single one of them is right!"

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Eric Arnold writes:
> 
> On Tue, 5 Dec 2000 j-sivier-AT-
ux1.cso.uiuc.edu wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> >    It depends on the type of hold being done for the promenade.  If you
> > use the Varsouvienne (sp?) hold both partners turn the same way in
> > parallel.  If you use the skaters' hold (hands joined in front with arms
> > crossed) you turn towards your partner as you turn around.  There may be
> > different effects with other promenade holds.
> 
> Hmmm... yes, I can imagine some other effects...  But with the two turns
> you've described, you've pretty well covered the possibilities with
> respect to turns about the vertical axis, with the same rotational sense
> in one case (Varsouvienne) and opposite in the other (skaters').  But
> there are two more orthogonal axes about which turns might be executed in
> an independent way, to face back in the other direction, both horizontal
> axes -- they could be chosen along the line of dance and across the line
> of dance, for example.  And I can imagine that different holds might
> enable such turns, but I see one difficulty: if you turn about either of
> these two axes such as to face the other way (a half-turn), you
> unfortunately end up upside-down, and then you need to rotate another
> half-turn about the other horizontal axis to correct this, assuming that
> you want to have your hands free to maintain or at least resume the hold.
> There are a lot of choices when two turns are involved in this way, since
> you have two symmetry types for each turn, or four combinations in all
> (turn in parallel or toward each other for each of the turns in any
> combination).  Which of these, if any, would permit the handhold to be
> maintained throughout the figure I'll leave to others to figure out...
> the general appearance would be something like a combination of a half
> handspring followed by a half cartwheel, which could be a bit tricky,
> particularly if you couldn't land on your hands part way through to change
> the direction of your rotational axis...

   It sounds like you would need zero-G for these turns.  Perhaps we can
submit a proposal for an experiment in zero-G country dance on the space
station.  Do you think we could get a grant from the NEA for such a study? ;-)

Jonathan

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Hi, Sharon:

> >John Wood wrote:
> >
> > >Herewith Progressive Gay Gordons:
> > >
> > >A1   Walk forward with partner, turning toward each other
> > >     continue backwards, still in a counter-clockwise
> > >     direction. Repeat whole clockwise. {Usual figure.]
>
> I believe by "Usual Figure" John means the balance in & out, pass the lady
> across, balance in & out, pass her to the man behind that provides the
> progression in the mixer version.
>
> Both versions, the progressive mixer version & the couple dance version,
> are found in Sybil Clark and Mary Evans' Swing Partners, published in 1964.

That's where it was copied from!

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"...if you've got a man you've also got a lady"...

 I thought gentlemen had ladies
and men had women!
Alan
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Instructions for Gae Gordon's as a mixer excerpted.

>İİİİİİİ away, and the man passes the girl

> the man
>İİİİİİİ passes the girl

Aarg.  Can't we at least agree that if you've got a man you've also got a
lady, and if you've got a boy you've also got a girl?

It's the essential chauvinism problem.  Goes right down to the language,
reflecting the mindset.

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On Tue, 5 Dec 2000 j-sivier-AT-
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>    It sounds like you would need zero-G for these turns.  Perhaps we can
> submit a proposal for an experiment in zero-G country dance on the space
> station.  Do you think we could get a grant from the NEA for such a study? ;-)

Yes, zero-G would avoid the problem of crashing into the floor when you're
upside down and have to change the direction about which you're turning.

But in fact it would do more than that: it would eliminate the meaning of
"upside-down" so that the second turn to right yourself would be
unnecessary.  

But whike G might be a big downer, from which dancers perpetually seem
to be striving to escape, it in fact plays a very essential role in
establishing the very nature of the dance that we do.  

By breaking the symmetry of space in establishing a sense of "down" we
immediately have to provide a limiting surface (the dance floor) which
limits and constrains our motion in this direction, essentially limiting
our space to a two-dimensional one, so (for the most part -- arches and
"dip & dives" are minor exceptions) we might as well be dancing in
Flatland.  But this constraint has one very significant virtue which
influences the nature of the figures that we do enormously: by the force
gravity causes us to exert on the floor, and the corresponding force that
the floor exerts on us to counteract that of gravity, we find that there
are frictional forces that can be created in the plane of the floor, and
as we push with our legs against the floor in a way not exactly
perpendicular to the floor, the floor pushes back on us with an equal and
opposite force, which enables us to accelerate or stop in our motions in
this horizontal plane.  Other than this, the only forces we have to let us
start or stop or change direction come from our contact with other
dancers.  A dance like Jack's Health in zero-G would immediately loose all
of its 1st couples, because if they would pull by and then let go, they
would continue to fly off on the other side of the set, and they'd have no
way of stopping until they met another dancer from another longways set,
or the wall of the space they were in, or never if they were in free
space...

But the majority of the figures we do depend essentially on the forces
parallel to the floor which the force of gravity perpendicular to the
floor enables; even the simple changes of direction about a vertical axis
would be impossible by one's self in free space.  One would have to turn
as a cat does.  Of the two turns Jonathan described, the turn toward each
other, with the skaters' handhold, ought to work to a degree without
gravity.  But moving forward or back, either as a couple or individually,
would be impossible.  Instead, you might push off from the next couple, so
that alternate couples were going in opposite directions on each change,
and you'd lose one couple at the ends on each bounce.  And in the middle,
if you weren't perfectly aligned, you would set yourself and the other
couple spinning or you would bounce out of the set entirely.  The
choreography really changes completely without G...  (I've thought about
this before 8-) 

Another approach would be to choreograph a dance for sky divers.  The
timing would need to be worked out fairly carefully, I think, but there
would be a few more options because of potential wind forces even in a
free-fall situation.  Might be difficult to do a longways dance for as
many as will; a set dance should be challenging enough...

Let's hear it for G!  It's the dancers' friend, not enemy!

Eric
 

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John wrote:

>Herewith Progressive Gay Gordons:
>(...)
>...and the man passes the girl onto the inside of
>        the circle by passing her in front and changing hands.
>        Repeat balances towards and away, then the man
>        passes the girl under his left arm to the outside of
>        the man behind.

Known locally (ie; in France) as la Chapelloise -- a French dance !!!

Small world;

No, better not try it with Scottish dancers   ;-)

Martin,
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We did this dance under the name Chapelloise in Bulgaria this summer.  It
was initiated by a group of French tourists when no one on our restaurant
seemed to be able to think of a Bulgarian dance done with a steady 8
count.  The band was a house band of Bulgarians.  The floor was a stone
cobbled courtyard that was rough and irregular.  The band, about 5 minutes
into it, sped up a bit, and soon sped up again and again.  It was
imposssible to get out because one did not have time to talk to a partner
to quit simultaneously (and only 2 of each gender spoke English).  Anyway,
the band mercifully stopped before anyone  broke a few tarsal bones.

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Here is  an interesting sideline to the Gay Gordons discussion. 
I was at a community dinner/party (mostly non-dancers) last weekend
where Karin Brennesvik (a well known Norwegian Telespringar dance
teacher) taught a dance almost the same as Sibyl Clarks mixer (using
inside hands, turn toward each other in part A, balance and pass the
woman across in part B).  She calls it (translation) "Everyman's
Dance".  Of course, Scottish version of Gay Gordons is also well known
(non-mixer).  It's probably not surprising this dance shows up in
several countries; it uses a universally easy to learn and satisfying
patterns for beginners.  Sibyl's mixer is great for community events with
beginners--I've used it that way for a couple decades since she taught it
at Berea.

For those interested, the differences in Karin's version (from Sibyl's) are:
1. most significant:  done to a wonderful Swedish march tune (rather than 
to Scotland the Brave).
2. the first balance in B was away-from, then toward partner
(that may have been a modification to make it easier for beginners, though
passing the woman across doesn't flow from this as well as from balance toward 
then away).  The second balance in B is toward then away.
3. no progression at the end-just pass the woman back across
(it may have been modified to non-mixer for this audience-I didn't ask her).

--- John Wood wrote:
> >  >... 
> >  >Herewith Progressive Gay Gordons:
> >  >
> >  >A1   Walk forward with partner, turning toward each other
> >  >     continue backwards, still in a counter-clockwise
> >  >     direction. Repeat whole clockwise. {Usual figure.]
> >  >     ...

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 Hm.  We seem to be talking about a different Gay Gordons than the one I
remember.  The A part is the same-- Varsouvienne hold, walking forward 4
steps CCW 1/2 turn and back up 4 steps, walk forward CW 4 steps, 1/2 turn
and back up to starting place.  Then we differ.

B --1-4  Man takes four small two steps forward, moving CCW around circle,
while Woman, using four two-steps, does turns (some do two half turns, some
do four full turns) under their joined right arms.

5-8 take ballroom hold and do four two-steps turning, moving CW and making
1/2 turns.  

Does anybody else do this version?  I danced it on the east coast in the
early 1960's and in Chicago in the late sixties, but haven't done it since
moving to Seattle 30 years ago.  

Victoria  

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This is what I remember doing as a Gay Gordon's also.
& I somehow remember doing it as a couple's dance,
and as a mixer.  My dim memory is that as a mixer
the woman did the twirls while the man walked forward,
and then instead of the pivot turns, she continued twirling
back to the next man in the circle.

The last time I did this dance was in the NY hudson valley
during the mid-late 1970s.
From time to time I've wondered why it's no longer done
at contra dances - or if it's just not done at the ones I go to.
There were some Albany dances where it was common for this
to be the first dance after the break.

-Pamela
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> Hm.  We seem to be talking about a different Gay Gordons than the one I
>remember.  The A part is the same-- Varsouvienne hold, walking forward 4
>steps CCW 1/2 turn and back up 4 steps, walk forward CW 4 steps, 1/2 turn
>and back up to starting place.  Then we differ.

>B --1-4  Man takes four small two steps forward, moving CCW around circle,
>while Woman, using four two-steps, does turns (some do two half turns, some
>do four full turns) under their joined right arms.

>5-8 take ballroom hold and do four two-steps turning, moving CW and making
>1/2 turns.  

>Does anybody else do this version?  I danced it on the east coast in the
>early 1960's and in Chicago in the late sixties, but haven't done it since
>moving to Seattle 30 years ago.  

>Victoria  

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The Assembly Players will be recording the tune by David Dean for their next 
CD, which will comprise a collection of modern 'Playford' type compositions 
from this side of the pond. Recording takes place between Christmas and New 
Year.
    The Dance notation and tune are published in 'Further flights of Fancy' 
by Wendy Crouch.
                                                Nicolas B., Lanark, Scotland. 
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At 09:11 PM 11/30/00 -0600, you wrote:
>Undoubtedly many of you on the list have sources for costumes and costume
>components.  The problem is, I don't.
>
>Any guidance would be greatly appreciated...
>
>McD

Here's some more:

The Sutter of Mount Misery
G. Gedney Godwin, Inc.
Box 100
Valley Forge, PA 19481
215-783-0670
One catalog features a wide variety of 18th century gear, including 
clothing, muskets, etc. Interesting catalog. A second cat has 17th century 
gear and garb.

Try also Druid's Oak
"Handcrafted Quality"
1634 New Windsor Ct.
Crofton, MD 21114
301-721-5184

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Dear Victoria,
    The dance you describe is much as I remember it from Michael and Marianne
Herman's teaching in the late 40's. I'm quite sure the man did a little polka
going forward while the woman twirled according to her ability until the next
turn of the dance with the same partner. The tune was always Scotland the
Brave,

Albert

paul/victoria bestock wrote (in part):

>  Hm.  We seem to be talking about a different Gay Gordons than the one I
> remember.

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From: "paul/victoria bestock" >
> Does anybody else do this version?  I danced it on the east coast in the
> early 1960's and in Chicago in the late sixties, but haven't done it since
> moving to Seattle 30 years ago.
>
> Victoria

That's the version that I learned from Penelope Naumann Lord in the early
80's in western Massachusetts as a couple dance - I didn't realize that
there were so many other variations.

Mary Jones
Port Jervis, NY


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On Tue, 05 Dec 2000 14:17:32 -0500 (EST) Eric Arnold <eba-AT-
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writes:
> 
> Let's hear it for G!  It's the dancers' friend, not enemy!
> 
> Eric

Not to mention D, A, C or even B-flat (Hole in the Wall playing softly in
the background).  Of course with sufficient G, you will B-flat if you
don't C-sharp.

[sorry, it's been a long day]

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Dear friends,

The Boston Centre and Bare Necessitites are preparing to record volumes 5
and 6 in their continuing English Country dance series, and we'd sure
appreciate your help in deciding what the contents should be.

The tentative plan is as follows:  

Volume 5: a collection of small set dances, suitable for occasions when a
few friends get together at someone's home and just want to dance, as
well as for the more typical dance events.  Don Bell suggested this as
"living-room English."  

Volume 6: a collection of "community dances," simple English dances
suitable for family dances, or weddings and similar celebrations where
there may be many people who are not regular dancers.

What would you like to see on these discs?  Are there more pressing
needs/themes that should be addressed before either of these? 

When suggesting dances/tunes, please consider such issues as popularity,
the music's appeal on its own (many folks buy the CD's for listening
only), and whether or not the music for the dance has already been
recorded. 

Thanks in advance,

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On Tue, 05 Dec 2000 20:23:04 -0500 (EST) SallenNic-AT-
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> The Assembly Players will be recording the tune by David Dean for 
> their next CD...

Thanks, Nic, for posting this announcement for the ECD-ers.

This was one reason Bare Necessities and I felt that it would be OK to
record the "Early One Morning" version-- Nic had informed me that David
Dean's tune would be on CD before long.  There were several other reasons
for recording EOM: many people did request the EOM tune for this dance,
the route is unusual (AABB, 5x through) so you can't find a suitable
substitute on a recording(*), the dance was introduced in the States with
the EOM tune [I believe by Colin Hume-- right, Colin?], it is danced at
the Boston Centre with this tune, and it is the tune the Band knows and
likes [never underestimate this last factor when planning a recording].

That said, Graham Knight did inform me that Wendy now prefers the dance
to be done to its own tune.  So hang in there, Marian!

[Does Britney Spears have to go through all this?!?!?]

Gene

(*) hey, wait a minute...  Levi Jackson Rag would work!  :-)
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Hi! I'm part of the newly formed San Diego English Country Dance group
(there was one many years ago, but apparently it petered out). I'm trying to
find out where I could get the music for some dances, so that we could
practice them for the upcoming Oakland Playford Ball. After several hours of
hunting, I've only managed to find 1 of the dances on CD -- I found
Kelsterne Gardens on "More Favorites of the Boston Centre Vol. 2". I would
very much appreciate guidance, either which CD's these are on, or where I
could find that information myself. Barring that, just knowing where to buy
the sheet music would be nice, in case we can find some way to play it live.

Here's the Song List:

---------------
Tea for Two
Trip to Greene, Gary Roodman
Graie's Inn Masque, Fried Herman's _Fringe Benefits_
Parthenia
Wooing Mairi
Parson's Farewell
Step Stately
Red house
Mount Hills
Jovial beggars
Punch bowl
Kelsterne gardens (found)
Saint Martin's Lane
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Thanks very much...

Steve Harclerode

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Greetings!
   On her last trip to the USA, Wendy Crouch left several copies of Further 
Flights of Fancy with me.  Therein lie instructions and original tune for 
Winter Solstice.  Anybody interested in purchasing a copy may contact me.
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Is this positive reinforcement for public whining, or is this positive
reinforcement for public whining?

Many, many thanks to all who responded to my plaint, and a special ShOuT
oUt! to Barry McNamara, who was offering to go way beyond the call of duty
in hooking me up with the sheet music -- now mercifully unnecessary since
the fabulous Orly turns out to be a Source.

Will CDSS be carrying the Assembly Players CD?

BTW -- I have been solacing myself by listening to the other tracks on the
Modern Treasures CD; just because I'm obsessed with Winter Solstice doesn't
mean it isn't a great CD.

Marian



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Steve --

(1) If the SD ECD group has a regular dance night and place, or group 
contact info, please send that information along so I can put it on 
the ECD in North America page.

(2) The sheet music for everything on your list except  Tea for Two,
Trip to Greene, and Graie's Inn Masque can be found in the Peter Barnes
English Country Dance Tunes book, available from various places, but 
I always recommend the Country Dance and Song Society; you can see
their sales catalog at http://www.cdss.org/sales

(3) The BACDS Playford Balls usually send out packets of dance directions
and any music that isn't in the Barnes book to all the West Coast English
dance callers they know about.  (Last year I was the dancing master for 
the ball, and I sent or carried packets to Ashland, Portland, Los Angeles,
Seattle, and elsewhere.)  You might try asking the Ball committee for a 
packet; you certainly want to get your group on the list for next year.

(4) If you don't insist on CDs - that is, if you can take cassettes - there
are sources for recording for many of these tunes, such recordings also
generally available through http://www.cdss.org/sales

Wooing Mairi and St. Martin's Lane are on English Country Dance Favorites by
Hold the Mustard.  Step Stately is on Step Stately, by the Claremont Country
Dance Band.  Parson's Farewell is on the English Dancing Master, Volume 1 
by Orange and Blue.  I don't offhand know of sources for the other dances.
(Graie's Inn Masque is not on the new Fried Herman album, Measured Obsession.)

The Punchbowl is on Favorites of the Boston Centre, Volume 2, right there with
Kelsterne Gardens, according to http://www.cds-boston.org

So that leaves:

> Parthenia
> Red house
> Mount Hills
> Jovial beggars

for other people on the list to identify.  (I keep meaning to set up an
ECD-record track-listing web page, but never get around to it.  And I 
don't have my tapes catalogued, possibly because I keep losing them.)

In any case, welcome, and good luck!

-- Alan

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At 10:54 PM 12/5/00 -0700, Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote:

>So that leaves:
>
>> Parthenia
>> Red house
>> Mount Hills
>> Jovial beggars
>
>for other people on the list to identify. 

Steve:
Parthenia & Jovial Beggars [3-couple set version] are on Wild Thyme's
cassettes of Maggot Pie.  It may be available through CDSS.
Mount Hills is on All Alive by Two's Company, For Your Pleasure vol.1 by
Peter Jenkins, and Seven to Midnight by Pyewacket.  The first two you might
be able to get through Charles Bolton, the last through Rosie Cross via
Michael Barraclough.  Charles & Michael are both on this list, I believe.
I have no recording for Red House.  (Gene Murrow, here's one for Vol. 6:
Great Dances That Should Have Been Recorded by Now!)


 (I keep meaning to set up an
>ECD-record track-listing web page, but never get around to it.  And I 
>don't have my tapes catalogued, possibly because I keep losing them.)

Alan:
On the back of my cards I write down the name [abbreviated] of the
recordings I have for that dance.  That way when I'm going over my program
before a gig, I can quickly locate the particular tapes or CDs I want to
review.

Much love,
Sharon Green (married to a librarian--can you tell?)

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Very interesting discussion ...about how dances drop out of fashion ie. "I
last did GG 30 years ago."
I expect many folk (English country) dancers in UK would not admit to doing
GG, as it is a dance anyone (even beginners) can do.
Pamela, if I go to run a dance for "Joe public", ie. not regular folk club
dancers, for the PTA, WI, Scouts, charity do's like Action for the Crippled
Child, local community assoc, etc., then I invariably, though not always,
start the 2nd half with GG, as a means of getting those who feel energetic
and want to test their  "ear canals" (to see if they get giddy) or enjoy
moving in that extra bit of space while the others finish refreshments and
clear away the rubbish. Depending on the succss of this decides whether I
make it a couple dance or modify it to a progressive (change partner) dance.
Even a simple dance can represent a challenge to, dare I call them
non-dancers. Just getting the hands correctly sorted and turning round in
order to go the same way as everybody else can be a problem; and as for
walking backwards! Well, that is not something the general public are used
to in their normal everyday lives, it seems.
However, done by the right people with the right attitude, in my opinion,
this dance does produce a great feeling of enjoyment and togetherness,
without being specially skilled, which is important if the movement is to
grow, rather than just get cleverer and cleverer.
I hope to encourage new people to come into dancing. It is something which
many more individuals can get pleasure from, if only they have that
confidence to stand up and try. But this may only be an "England" or
"English" problem. What say the Americans? (is it 160 million these days?)
...from Alan Corkett of Nether Stowey, Somerset UK. (Even most English
people don't know where that is! but it is near the manor!
www.halswaymanor.co.uk)
PS Thanks for all the responses to the 12th Night Revels thread, on 6th Jan
at HM. If YOU would like to join us we still have tickets for the ceilidh
left, or come for dinner, bed & breakfast if you wish, or the whole w/e. (I
believe there are cheap flights available this time of year; if you can put
up with getting into a plane.)
-
Pamela wrote...
This is what I remember doing as a Gay Gordon's also & I somehow remember
doing it as a couple's dance, and as a mixer.  My dim memory is that as a
mixer the woman did the twirls while the man walked forward, and then
instead of the pivot turns, she continued twirling back to the next man in
the circle.

The last time I did this dance was in the NY hudson valley during the
mid-late 1970s. From time to time I've wondered why it's no longer done at
contra dances - or if it's just not done at the ones I go to.
There were some Albany dances where it was common for this
to be the first dance after the break.
Pamela
======================================================================== We
seem to be talking about a different Gay Gordons than the one I remember.
The A part is the same-- Varsouvienne hold, walking forward 4 steps CCW 1/2
turn and back up 4 steps, walk forward CW 4 steps, 1/2 turn and back up to
starting place.  Then we differ.
B --1-4  Man takes four small two steps forward, moving CCW around circle,
while Woman, using four two-steps, does turns (some do two half turns, some
do four full turns) under their joined right arms.
5-8 take ballroom hold and do four two-steps turning, moving CW and making
1/2 turns.
Does anybody else do this version?  I danced it on the east coast in the
early 1960's and in Chicago in the late sixties, but haven't done it since
moving to Seattle 30 years ago.
Victoria

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Hi Steve
Parson's Farewell is (TWICE) on the "Live Music from Halsway Manor" CD £10
plus post and pack. Let me have your postal address and I'll send you one!
Regards Alan
PS I have a cousin in San Diego, I last visited in 1969!
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Date: 06 December 2000 04:29
Subject: Finding Songs on CD


Hi! I'm part of the newly formed San Diego English Country Dance group
(there was one many years ago, but apparently it petered out). I'm trying to
find out where I could get the music for some dances, so that we could
practice them for the upcoming Oakland Playford Ball. After several hours of
hunting, I've only managed to find 1 of the dances on CD -- I found
Kelsterne Gardens on "More Favorites of the Boston Centre Vol. 2". I would
very much appreciate guidance, either which CD's these are on, or where I
could find that information myself. Barring that, just knowing where to buy
the sheet music would be nice, in case we can find some way to play it live.

Here's the Song List:

---------------
Tea for Two
Trip to Greene, Gary Roodman
Graie's Inn Masque, Fried Herman's _Fringe Benefits_
Parthenia
Wooing Mairi
Parson's Farewell
Step Stately
Red house
Mount Hills
Jovial beggars
Punch bowl
Kelsterne gardens (found)
Saint Martin's Lane
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Thanks very much...

Steve Harclerode




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Hi, Victoria:

> A different Gay Gordons than the one I
> remember.  The A part is the same-- Varsouvienne hold, walking forward 4
> steps CCW 1/2 turn and back up 4 steps, walk forward CW 4 steps, 1/2 turn
> and back up to starting place.  Then we differ.
>
> B --1-4  Man takes four small two steps forward, moving CCW around circle,
> while Woman, using four two-steps, does turns (some do two half turns, some
> do four full turns) under their joined right arms.
>
> 5-8 take ballroom hold and do four two-steps turning, moving CW and making
> 1/2 turns.

This is essentially the Scottish version of Gay Gordons. Obviously done
with Scottish pas-de-basques for the twirl!

John

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Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: Gay Gordons


> I expect many folk (English country) dancers in UK would not admit to
doing
> GG, as it is a dance anyone (even beginners) can do.

I would not 'dare' do it at a dance for experienced dancers in England - I'd
be laughed at just as much as if I had done Cumberland Square Eight
(previous thread). Different sides of the Atlantic - different attitudes.

But this may only be an "England" or
> "English" problem. What say the Americans? (is it 160 million these days?)

It depends whether you live in Florida or not!!:-)

Sit back and await the response!

John Meechan



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--- paul/victoria bestock WROTE:
> 
>  Hm.  We seem to be talking about a different Gay Gordons than the one I
> remember.  The A part is the same-- Varsouvienne hold, 
>...

To distinguish them, I've always refered to this the classic
Varsouvienne hold dance you describe (English or Scottish) as "Gay
Gordons", and the simple mixer version as "Gay Gordons Mixer" (or
as in my previous post as Sibyl Clark's GGM, though I'm not sure 
if she wrote it or just spread it everywhere she taught).

--Chris Levey
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On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Gene Murrow wrote:

 . . .  Of course with sufficient G, you will B-flat if you
> don't C-sharp.

That was a low pitch, Gene...



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Pamela Goddard writes:
> 
> This is what I remember doing as a Gay Gordon's also.
> & I somehow remember doing it as a couple's dance,
> and as a mixer.  My dim memory is that as a mixer
> the woman did the twirls while the man walked forward,
> and then instead of the pivot turns, she continued twirling
> back to the next man in the circle.
> 
> The last time I did this dance was in the NY hudson valley
> during the mid-late 1970s.
> >From time to time I've wondered why it's no longer done
> at contra dances - or if it's just not done at the ones I go to.
> There were some Albany dances where it was common for this
> to be the first dance after the break.

   A local contra dance caller, Martha Tyner, has called it a few times
at our local contra dance.  That's where I got the idea of doing it at
our English dance.  She did the mixer version where the men turn the
women under and pass them on to the next man (is it politically incorrect
to say "pass them on"? perhaps "assist them in progressing" would be
better).  I seemed to recall that it was a couple dance (non-mixer) so
I did some looking around and found several variations under the same
name.  Some were mixers and some had you keep the same partner.  I
decided to stick with the mixer version because I thought a fun mixer
like this would be nice in our Ball program.  Perhaps one of these
versions is the "original", but I have no way to know which one it
would be.

Jonathan

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The planned mega-dance session at the middle school has been rescheduled for
early January, I learned yesterday when I went in to prep. the teachers -
seems they'd inadvertently scheduled bowling for this Friday instead.
Although I was quite psyched for this event, I can also happily wait until
after the holidays. So this means I have a bit longer to contemplate (and
fixate, and agitate?) over the plans. I just wish this event could have
taken place a little closer to the recently concluded Colonial American unit
in social studies...

There will apparently be some changes from what I'd been told to expect, as
a new semester will be underway, with new kids in the class, but it should
be essentially the same structure. Between now and then, I'll be heading for
Christmas School in Berea once again, so will no doubt get lots of input
from fellow dancers, teachers, etc. and so may wind up with a splendid
assortment of ideas.  Those of you who have responded on the list or
privately have already provided me with many excellent and insightful
suggestions and accounts of your own experiences - many thanks.

I'll continue to keep you all posted as events occur-

Susan Booker




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Interestingly (?) , we often get asked to do the Gay Gordons at weddings,
because it seems to be a standard that the ones who are floundering can
aspire to.  "Hey I know this one...". It is a bit like the Dashing White
Sergeant: one which no caller chooses, but the dancers often request.( see
irrelevant but amusing story below in PS)

Again I thought it was interesting watching the thread about the
progressive/non-progressive GG - at least one of the callers we work with
over here in the UK calls the GG similar to that one recently posted with
the woman twizzling under the man's arm then a slow polka, THEN, he
announces that we are now going to do the "American Gay Gordons" which turns
out to be the progressive one where the woman turns under and progresses
backwards (is that an oxymoron?) to the man behind.

Ron H



PS for the really tenacious who read every word no matter how boring....

That thing of the callers not doing a dance but the dancers often requesting
it, might teach *some* callers something about giving the crowd what it
wants... and it reminds me of the time many years ago when I went in to a
ladies' outfitters (store) in Oxford, to buy  a pair of ladies' elbow-length
black evening gloves (don't ask why).  The oh-so-refined, elegant lady
assistant looked down her nose at me and said: "Oh no Sir, we don't stock
them... there's no call for them nowadays.  And I DO wish people would stop
asking me for them".




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I thought that I'd finished my new tune, 'Al Gore's Enigma Variations', but I'm not sure if all the notes are there. 

I'll recount them.

Paul Hutchinson.




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--- Victoria Bestock wrote:
Does anybody else do this version?  I danced it on the east coast in the
early 1960's and in Chicago in the late sixties, but haven't done it since
moving to Seattle 30 years ago.
--- end of quote ---

I learned it that way (couple dance, not mixer) from the calling of Dudley
Laufman in the early 1970s and I still call it several times a year at our
monthly contra dance. We also do "Road to the Isles" from time to time.

David Millstone
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WARNING!
A recent item in this thread was contaminated with a virus detected by Norton
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I apologise for the virus and thanks for telling me. Apparently the Kak virus was sent to me, via e-mail.
It can be rectified by downloading 'kak virus fix' - it takes a few minutes.

Paul Hutchinson.

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does this virus affect mac computers?  the kak virus fix appeared not to
work on my computer

Emma


>I apologise for the virus and thanks for telling me. Apparently the Kak
>virus was sent to me, via e-mail.
>It can be rectified by downloading 'kak virus fix' - it takes a few minutes.
>
>Paul Hutchinson.
>
>ps tirbute should have course read tubrite
>
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Emma Rushton,
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Macs don't get these things.

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Christopher Levey <cgl-AT-
nimbus.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
> For those interested, the differences in Karin's version (from Sibyl's)
are:
> 1. most significant:  done to a wonderful Swedish march tune 
> (rather than to Scotland the Brave).

One can think of this dance as being done to _any good march_ (which
translates, as Gene said, to _whatever march the band likes_) or even to a
medley of them. At the Scottish dances I go to, and on the recordings I buy,
I actually hear "Scotland the Brave" fairly seldom. My personal favorite is
"Barren Rocks of Aden."

Everyone, may I respectfully request that you quote only as much of a
previous message as is necessary to make your point clear?  I've been
recycling a lot of paper with copies of the same long messages on it lately.

Gene, thanks for:
>Graham Knight did inform me that Wendy now prefers [Winter Solstice]
>to be done to its own tune.
It's a luxury to have access to the devisor's opinions (of course, I used
EOM when I called it in C# house with Wendy present, but maybe I can take
credit for helping crystallize her opinion :-/  ).

  -Bruce

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At 09:35 AM 12/6/2000 -0500, you wrote:
>
>
>On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Gene Murrow wrote:
>
> . . .  Of course with sufficient G, you will B-flat if you
>> don't C-sharp.
>
>That was a low pitch, Gene...

I'd like to add A minor point, which is that you'd have to play the tune in
a key with zero Gs. This would necessitate using trouble clef for the
fiddles who naturally prefer their G's.  

Victoria

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Hugh --

It did have a nasty macro Virus in it.  .EXE type attachments are removed
automatically before they get to the list reflector, but I can't do much
about all-text items.  I just hope people didn't get in any difficulty
by reading this stuff in Outlook.

-- Alan


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Red House is on "New Wine in Old Bottles" by the Assembly Players, I
believe.

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--- Sharon Green <mls-AT-
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> Steve:
> Parthenia & Jovial Beggars [3-couple set version] are on Wild
> Thyme's cassettes of Maggot Pie. 

And I have a version of Parthenia that was recorded by Norb
Spencer and Paul Woodiel as a practice tape for Reel Nutmeg.

Andy in Portland

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Dan's right--it's the tune for Katie the Nuisance.  Bizarre!  But it's
played just 3 x through, Gene--you can still record the ultimate longways
version.
Sharon

At 02:04 PM 12/6/00 -0500, Pearl, Dan wrote:
>Red House is on "New Wine in Old Bottles" by the Assembly Players, I
>believe.
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Victoria wrote:

 >Hm. We seem to be talking about a different Gay Gordons than the
 >one I remember. The A part is the same-- Varsouvienne hold,
 >walking forward 4 steps CCW 1/2 turn and back up 4 steps, walk
 >forward CW 4 steps, 1/2 turn and back up to starting place. Then
 >we differ.
 >
 >B --1-4 Man takes four small two steps forward, moving CCW
 >around circle, while Woman, using four two-steps, does turns
 >(some do two half turns, some do four full turns) under their
 >joined right arms.
 >
 >5-8 take ballroom hold and do four two-steps turning, moving CW
 >and making 1/2 turns.
 >
 >Does anybody else do this version? I danced it on the east coast
 >in the early 1960's and in Chicago in the late sixties, but
 >haven't done it since moving to Seattle 30 years ago.

That's the one I know, originally from contradances in
Massachusetts in the 1970s. In view of the present discussion,
though, I would add that the 1/2 turns in the A section are
parallel, first both to the right, then both to the left and I
would clarify that the music goes A B, without repeats (16 bars).

Albert wrote:

 >The tune was always Scotland the Brave

I've seen it done to Scotland the Brave at Scottish dances. I've
always done it (I k