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And more...


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Interesting set of replies. I have a couple answers below.


>When mass culture (which, by the way, is produced to be *consumed* by the
>masses, it is not produced or *performed* by the masses) gives us something
>as lasting as the music of composers from Bach through Mahler, I will
>certainly not denigrate it.


I'm tempted to say we'll talk about this in a couple hundred years, but I'll
give it a quick, short shot:

Louis Armstrong's "West End Blues."
Cole Porter, any number of examples
Elvis Presley, "Mystery Train."
the complete works of the Beatles
the complete works of Elvis Costello

It's important to remember that at the time Bach and Beethoven and Mahler
and all the giants were creating those masterpieces you so correctly and
understandably love, there were mediocre talents at work, too. You can't
write off the entire culture's output any more than you can praise all of
it.

>
>In its music, I am convinced that Europe achieved what has never been
>achieved anywhere else, a complexity of harmonies with precise timing of
>rhythm and precise pitching of tone, a range of expression, all backed up
>by the extraordinary craftsmanship of of the makers of the many different
>instruments that developed  in the 17th & 18th centuries.


Well, I suppose if complexity of harmony is your only desire, you're
probably right. Although, I've heard Sweet Honey In the Rock get pretty
complex now and again.

On the other hand, it's possible, just possible, that the requirements of a
pop song, three perfect minutes of expression that do, in fact, stretch
melodically, rhythmically, and sonically, are different, but valid in and of
themselves. At least, I know I've spent all my life being enthralled by
music you seem to hate, as well as some you seem to love.


>The music we use for country dancing is a result of these developments.


Albeit greatly simplified. You can't have music of the common people be as
complex as music of the trained geniuses. At least not often.

>Europe also achieved great advances in philosophy and science, but has not
>always used the discovereries for the greater good of mankind, alas

Gee whiz, that's kind of like the rest of the world in the 20th century, not
to mention the creators of pop music.

!
>On the other hand, (as far as I know) no harm ever came of Europe's musical
>discoveries
>Bach took popular rhythms (jigs hornpipes etc) and developed them into
>lasting masterpieces. We may not agree with the religious words that were
>attached to the music (without which Bach's work would never have gained
>acceptance), but they do not prevent us from appreciating the musical
>qualities. Similarly, we may consider that most songs are mere froth, but
>that does not stop us aiming at perfection when we sing them.


That sounds like my feelings towards the classic "Surfing Bird" by the
Trashmen.


>
>Now we are throwing away the greatness we achieved. Instead of passing an
>appreciation of this greatness, we are allowing ourselves to be swamped in
>mediocrity. Ne need to create interssting harmonies -- the synthesizer will
>do all th wxork; no need for a singer to work on his voice -- it will be
>digitialized and imperfections will vanish.


There is no machine that does all the work. The creator still decides what's
being created. Why not consider the possibility that the creator may be on
to something you just don't understand? That doesn't mean you have to like
it all. I hate a lot of the music that fits the description you're giving.
But, I hate it because it's dull, uninteresting, lifeless music. I haven't
found a genre yet that doesn't have it's share of fascinating, exhilarating,
lively music, too.

>
>I have come to know and like the music of some non-european cultures, I
>feel I am open to styles other than those I grew up with. I can get an
>emotional lift from Arab music, for example, but when I think about it,
>there has been no striving to achieve greatness and no development.


I think the idea of continuous progress went out about 75 years ago, or
maybe 40. At any rate, for every gain in the world, there is a loss, and
that has always been, and it always will be. So music isn't marching along a
straight path anymore. That straight path led to Stockhausen, and I get the
feeling you're not too keen on that result. Why not consider the possibility
that there is much to explore on the side roads once ignored?

>
>>the traditional folk music this guy seems to revere was once the music of
>>the masses, the illiterate, the unrefined, the tasteless.
>
>This guy does not revere trad folk music, but he may enjoy it when it is
>played well)


you and me both, brother.


>
>>It's not bloody easy to make money in the pop music world.
>
>Pull the other one !
>Record companies are raking it in.


Some record companies are raking it in. Some operate at a loss. There is no
job security for the people in the bizness. It's virtually impossible to be
a working pop musician and make a lot of money. That's a crap shoot where
the odds are dead set against you.

>
>> endless replication of the same old
>>arguments (...) of how
>>things just aren't as good as they once were culturally.
>
>It's not the cultural (musical) change I am moaning about. I'm bemoaning
>the fact that our culture has been taken out of our hands. The latest
>fashion in clothes or the latest trend in music was decided months in
>advance by the merchants that supply the goods -- the People have nothing
>to do with either creation or choice. We are consumers, not creators?


I've never bought the idea that the People have to be creators. I think
people with talent should create what they have a talent for creating. If
they don't have the talent, well, they can mess around, and have a good
time, but leave me out of it. I want to hear the good stuff.

The belief that some puppets are out there pulling the strings as to what
trends make it big in popular culture has been debunked over and over again,
yet people love to believe it. It's an urban myth, and one that should be
obviously false if you bother to consider all the stuff that gets thrown out
there into the marketplace that goes nowhere. Why should a record store be
filled with thousands of CDs if it's possible to predict with exactitude
which ones will make millions of dollars? If this were possible, and I was
heading the record company, I'd put all my attention on the three or four
records I had that could make me millions, and I'd stop bothering with all
the others.

>puppets not actors.
>
>We amy have gotten rid of the oppressive rule of the aristocraxcy and the
>church, but we have put ourselves in the hands of ... big business.
>
>The traditional/folk/country dancing world however is still free of this
>commercialism. I don't feel that the musicians expect to make a fortune out
>of their playing or recording, any more than the teachers or devisers
>expect to get much for their efforts. The dancers are not just consumers,
>they perform for their own pleasure (some even create new steps and
>figures, though that may be by accident !) and to share with others. May
>this spirit long remain !


That spirit is there, but don't be fooled. There is an element of
consumerism in the folk world, or every folk musician would be enjoyed
equally, and rewarded equally. That's ridiculous. There are great musicians
who get bigger crowds. There are also mediocre ones who get bigger crowds.
And sometimes great musicians draw nothing. It's all down to being in the
marketplace.

Steve Pick





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Hi folks:

For reasons I fail to understand, a message of mine from August just came to
me from the ECD list. This is also happening from other lists. No, I haven't
gone nuts and started sending out old mail. But something weird is going on.
Sorry!

Peace.
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On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, Paul Stamler wrote:

> Hi folks:
> 
> For reasons I fail to understand, a message of mine from August just came to
> me from the ECD list. This is also happening from other lists. No, I haven't
> gone nuts and started sending out old mail. But something weird is going on.

It's those lost souls aimlessly wandering about last night that are
responsible, no doubt... }8-o

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Having just done a dance with a Halloween theme, I am wondering about the
backgrounds of dances like "The Gelding of the Devil" and "An Old Man is a
Bed full of Bones."  Political satire seems to be a significant component
in the origins of a number of early dances, with the titles and/or tunes
being connected to songs or masques with political themes.  If anyone on
this list knows of any such connections for either of these dances, or for
other similarly suggestive titles, I'd really appreciate learning more
about them.

Eric Arnold
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At 09:42 06/08/00 -0500, you wrote:
>>The traditional/folk/country dancing world however is still free of this
>>commercialism. ...
>
>
> don't be fooled. There is an element of
>consumerism in the folk world, or every folk musician would be ...

Don't mix up the folk/country dancing world, and the folk (singers') world.
While there's a glut of modern folk music records in the shops ("ethnic",
"celtic", or whatever style happens to be in fashion), you'll have a long
search before you find recordings of country dance music, since this is
just not a money spinner, whereas the former (which bear as much
resemblance to older trad music as chalk to cheese) are merely a further
product off the commercial assembly line.

Dance musicians are not in the market place at all.

Long may the dancing we love remain free.

(This must be the longest discussion on one subject that I have ever taken
part in)




Martin,
 in Grenoble, France.

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On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, M Sheffield wrote:

> Don't mix up the folk/country dancing world, and the folk (singers') world.
> While there's a glut of modern folk music records in the shops ("ethnic",
> "celtic", or whatever style happens to be in fashion), you'll have a long
> search before you find recordings of country dance music, since this is
> just not a money spinner, whereas the former (which bear as much
> resemblance to older trad music as chalk to cheese) are merely a further
> product off the commercial assembly line.

I own ECD recordings by the Broadside Band, Pyewackett, and Bare Necessities.
They weren't hard to find at all.  CDSS has a number of other options.

Of course, it's entirely possible that the moment one sets foot in a
recording studio one instantly crosses the boundary between the dance world
and the folk world, and becomes a "product off the commercial assembly
line."  This analysis is a little to simplistic for my tastes, but it may
work for some.

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--- M Sheffield <martin.sheffield-AT-
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> While there's a glut of modern folk music records in the shops
> ("ethnic", "celtic", or whatever style happens to be in 
> fashion), you'll have a long search before you find recordings

> of country dance music, since this is just not a money
spinner, 
> whereas the former (which bear as much resemblance to older 
> trad music as chalk to cheese) are merely a further product
off 
> the commercial assembly line.
> 

This may be true where you live, or in some music traditions,
but I find old Scandinavian recordings at the local Borders Book
and Music store. There are also a lot of modern non-traditional
recordings, but not too long ago I found a recording of
traditional (dating from the 17th Century) Hardangerfiddle tunes
recorded in 1946,1948 and 1951. Much of the modern Scandinavian
music draws on the old traditions much in the way that
contemporary Celtic music does and the recordings of many groups
include traditional as well as modern compositions.

I have not looked specifically for ECD music, but doubt that I
would find any, unless it is in the classical section. It
wouldn't be in the Folk or Ethnic/World music sections.

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Andy wrote:

  This may be true where you live, or in some music traditions,
  but I find old Scandinavian recordings at the local Borders Book
  and Music store. There are also a lot of modern non-traditional
  recordings, but not too long ago I found a recording of
  traditional (dating from the 17th Century) Hardangerfiddle tunes
  recorded in 1946,1948 and 1951. Much of the modern Scandinavian
  music draws on the old traditions much in the way that
  contemporary Celtic music does and the recordings of many groups
  include traditional as well as modern compositions.

  I have not looked specifically for ECD music, but doubt that I
  would find any, unless it is in the classical section. It
  wouldn't be in the Folk or Ethnic/World music sections.

I found a cool CD called "Best of the BarelyWorks"[1] - which may approach 
the kind of thing Martin is thinking of as English Country music[2] - in 
the World Music section at Tower Records.  (It actually made me twitch
to find 'British Isles' in the World Music section[3], and it made me 
twitch again to find a historical volume of early recordings by music hall 
greats in there too.) 

The ECD genre includes both music-that-we-think-of-as-classical and 
music-that-we-think-of-as-folk (the Community Dance Manuals material),
even if in fact - as Philippe Callens says, the music for 'Double Lead
Through' actually derives from a Victorian operetta - but the style in 
which most people play music for it is more like classical, so that's 
a reasonable place to put the records if you don't have a really generic
'dance music' section.  [4,5]
 
-- Alan

[1] This had a really kick-butt version of "Byker Hill" on it, which I managed
to play enough that my roommate got pretty tired of it, and is generally a
brilliant album with a mixture of "trad" and newly composed material.

[2] "English Country Music" is a term of art in English Ceilidh circles, where
it apparently derives from a particular recording of that title, which had 
traditional music played in the English countryside in traditional style. 
Confusing it with "English Country Dance Music" is fatal to comprehension.

[3] I suppose I twitched because I still think of British-Isles-derived
culture as the dominant culture here in the US, and putting it in World Music
comparatively marginalized it, putting it on the same level of as any Third
World country. I would have expected to find that stuff in Folk.  But hey, why
shouldn't it be in World Music?  Logically, the only stuff that shouldn't be in
World Music is "Music from the Hearts of Space."

[4] The ceilidh people seem to be pretty sold on the idea that their music is 
gritty, rootsy, authentic folk music, even the ones who deliberately mix a 
township beat with the English tunes, compose new tunes, etc.  

[5] Has anybody ever seen a record store that put all the dance music in one
section?  As it is now,Irish dance music and Scottish dance music would be in
Folk or World Music, ECD in Classical, EC in Folk, etc, etc.



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<<I found a cool CD called "Best of the BarelyWorks"[1] - which may approach
the kind of thing Martin is thinking of as English Country music[2] - in
the World Music section at Tower Records.  (It actually made me twitch
to find 'British Isles' in the World Music section[3], and it made me
twitch again to find a historical volume of early recordings by music hall
greats in there too.)
[3] I suppose I twitched because I still think of British-Isles-derived
culture as the dominant culture here in the US, and putting it in World
Music
comparatively marginalized it, putting it on the same level of as any Third
World country. I would have expected to find that stuff in Folk.  But hey,
why
shouldn't it be in World Music?  Logically, the only stuff that shouldn't be
in
World Music is "Music from the Hearts of Space.">>

Indeed -- and Britain is, last I heard, still part of the World.

But seriously, the "World Music" classification, in the American radio and
record-store-dept. universes, has two slightly-variant meanings. One is
"Music from Outside the U.S.A."; the other is "Music Not In the English
Language". (The latter definition places Cajun music in the World Music
category, while the former doesn't.) Classifications are specious in the
long term, but they are useful if you have to find things in a record store.

As for British-Isles-derived culture being dominant in this country, I don't
think so, not anymore, at least as a sole dominator in the musical field.
The African-derived music is at least as important, culturally, and probably
has been since the beginning, with a third, perhaps lesser component from
German oom-pah bands. (What did they contribute? Only the left hand in
ragtime and the precursor style to New Orleans jazz. Not to mention the
alternating bass that was at the bottom of the blues.)

<<[5] Has anybody ever seen a record store that put all the dance music in
one
section?  As it is now,Irish dance music and Scottish dance music would be
in
Folk or World Music, ECD in Classical, EC in Folk, etc, etc.>>

Now I *like* that idea! Think of the cross-pollination possibilities as the
customers flip from electronic-trance-dance music to polskas to rock'n'roll
to Mozart to...oh, there's just one problem. That category would include
about 80% of the records in the store. Would still love to see someone try
it.

Peace.
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<<I own ECD recordings by the Broadside Band, Pyewackett, and Bare
Necessities.
They weren't hard to find at all.  CDSS has a number of other options.>>

They weren't hard to find because you already know where to look. But go
into your average record store anywhere in the U.S.A. and I guarantee you
won't find any of those except, just maybe, Bare Necessities, if the store
has a sizeable folk section. You might be able to order the Broadside Band
if the store has a decent classical section and therefore orders from
Qualiton, but you won't be able to get Pyewackett at all.

In fact, in most of the stores in the country, which are chains, you won't
find anything even closely related to ECD. Not in the 3-4 racks of classical
(which range the gamut from the Three Tenors to the Four Seasons), not in
the folk section (if it exists, it's probably wrapped with country, which
mostly isn't country any more, or perhaps easy listening -- record stores
think John Denver is folk). The average mainstream record store is rock,
hip-hop, "country" and that's about it.

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<<Dance musicians are not in the market place at all.

Long may the dancing we love remain free.>>

We are, and it isn't. We eat, we pay rent, we get our cars fixed when we can
afford it. That's one of the reasons we insist that you pay us.

And that, in turn, is one reason why the dancers pay to dance.

Like it or not, we're part of a mercantile society. Despite Ginsberg's
famous plea, none of us can go into a grocery store and buy what we need
with our good looks. We sell our labor, and dance groups, whether they're
explicit or not, sell their attendees an evening of good entertainment.
Trying to figure how to attract new dancers is essentially an exercise in
marketing, unsavory as that term is to most people (including me).
Everything in our culture is commodified.

Would I wish it to be otherwise? Sure. But it's not gonna happen in our
lifetimes.

Peace.
Paul

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nOn Wed, 1 Nov 2000, Paul Stamler wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jon Berger <jberger-AT-
monitor.net>
> 
> In fact, in most of the stores in the country, which are chains, you won't
> find anything even closely related to ECD. Not in the 3-4 racks of classical
> (which range the gamut from the Three Tenors to the Four Seasons), not in
> the folk section 

A good friend of mine who lives in NYC used to visit the porn shops in
Times Square  (It was cleaned up about five years ago or so).  In the back
of those shops, she would find a dusty rack of records, and frequently,
such gems as the Jimmy Shand "My Scotland" for its origianl price, not the
ten times price it was going for in folk crowds at that time.

I never dared go into porn shops, but often visited Greek or Near Eastern
neighborhood stores for dance records.  I taught myself enough Greek to
read the labels, but just guessed when it came to Arabic. got some great
records.

forget Borders.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Paul Stamler replied:

>As for British-Isles-derived culture being dominant in this country, I don't
>think so, not anymore, at least as a sole dominator in the musical field.
>>The African-derived music is at least as important, culturally, and probably
>has been since the beginning, with a third, perhaps lesser component from
>German oom-pah bands. (What did they contribute? Only the left hand in
>ragtime and the precursor style to New Orleans jazz. Not to mention the
>alternating bass that was at the bottom of the blues.)

I would have twitched if I'd seen ragtime or jazz or Howlin' Wolf in 
World Music, too.  I definitely didn't mean to discount the importance
of music genres with African heritage - whether that's blues, jazz, rock,
or reggae.  But despite the US being part of the world too, it would have
surprised me to see (American) blues, rock, or jazz records in World Music.

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At 15:18 01/11/00 -0800, you wrote:

>I own ECD recordings by the Broadside Band, (etc)
>They weren't hard to find at all.  

Perhaps you are luclier on that side of the ocean.
Over here, you have to order your records from specialist suppliers or from
the musicians themselves.
Martin,
 in Grenoble, France.

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Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote (in part):

> I found a cool CD called "Best of the BarelyWorks"[1] ...in
> the World Music section at Tower Records.  (It actually made me twitch
> to find 'British Isles' in the World Music section[3], and it made me
> twitch again to find a historical volume of early recordings by music hall
> greats in there too.)

Your Towers should be congratulated. My local Towers has its few English
traditional CDs in the Celtic section. When I questioned this choice, the
salesperson replied, "Oh, well, most English music is pop music anyway."

I try to consider the search part of the pleasure.

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Eric asked:

 >I am wondering about the backgrounds of dances like "The Gelding
 >of the Devil" and "An Old Man is a Bed full of Bones." Political
 >satire seems to be a significant component in the origins of a
 >number of early dances, with the titles and/or tunes being
 >connected to songs or masques with political themes.

I've mentioned this point here before, so I'll keep it brief:

It often helps, in thinking about this kind of question, to start
out by checking to see if the name of the dance fits the notes of
the tune (ie., is it likely to have been the lyric?). I don't know
either of these two tunes, so that's as far as I go.

Once you have answered that one, however, you are closer to
knowing whether the name actually has meaning that applies to the
dance or it's just the name of the tune the dance was set to.

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On Thursday, November 02, 2000 at 12:06:02 AM, Paul Stamler wrote:

> but you won't be able to get Pyewackett at all.

I believe that there may still be some cassettes of Pyewackett's 7 to Midnight dance album available (I am fairly sure that there are no more CDs).  If anyone is interested please let me know and I will pass the enquiries on to Rosie Cross.

Michael Barraclough
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--- Torbin Zimmerman <torbin-AT-
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> ...the salesperson replied, "Oh, well, most English music is 
> pop music anyway."
> 

Just showing the ignorance of people who have grown up with only
Rock music in their diet.

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--- Paul Stamler <pstamler-AT-
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> ...not in the folk section (if it exists, it's probably
wrapped 
> with country, which mostly isn't country any more, or perhaps 
> easy listening -- record stores think John Denver is folk). 

It depends on your definition of "folk". Do you consider that it
has to be strictly "traditional" (whatever you define that as)
and exclude the many "contemporary" artists that are filed under
"Folk" at better record stores?? And with the changes in
"Country" music today, are Charlie Poole, Gid Tanner and the
Carter Family now to be considered "Folk"? John Denver is
considered "Folk" if only because of the beginnings of his
national exposure as the replacement for Chad Mitchell in the
Mitchell Trio. I saw him with the Mitchell Trio in 1968 in one
of their last concerts before breaking up and the concert
included a banjo player by the name of Paul Prestopino playing
back-up. Paul, who was on the last Mitchell Trio albums as well
as some of John Denver's early albums, is now to be found in New
Jersey playing for dances (including ECD) with Hold the Mustard.

> The average mainstream record store is rock, hip-hop,
"country" 
> and that's about it.
> 

That's because what the media hypes sells. It's also why most of
us listen to Public Radio if we have it on at all. Most of the
Rock music of 25-35 years ago hasn't survived the test of time.
(A friend of mine judges what was actually good music of that
time by whether it has entered the orchestral arena.) The stuff
that is called Rock today hardly resembles what was called Rock
when I was growing up and most of it probably won't survive
either. 

ECD music is not part of the media hype (when is the last time
you heard ECD music on pop radio?), although I personally
believe that many of the dance musicians that I know have a lot
more talent than any of those millionaire Rock artists wailing
on electric guitars. You can do a lot with electronics to cover
up a lack of real musical talent. 

Our society does not nurture doers. Our entire entertainment
industry is based upon thousands, or even millions, of people
watching someone else do something. (To paraphrase something I
read, pro football is tens of thousands of spectators who
desperately need the exercise watching twenty-two players on the
field who desperately need the rest.) How do you get all those
thousands off their rear-ends and get them to participate as
doers??? The challenge isn't just to find ways of "marketing"
ECD, it is also getting exposure in todays electronic society
for all of the very talented dance musicians that we know and
enjoy hearing.

Andy in Portland

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> Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing 
> <winston-AT-
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> <<[5] Has anybody ever seen a record store that put all the
> dance music in one section?  As it is now,Irish dance music
and 
> Scottish dance music would be in Folk or World Music, ECD in 
> Classical, EC in Folk, etc, etc.>>
> 
--- Paul Stamler <pstamler-AT-
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> Now I *like* that idea! Think of the cross-pollination
>possibilities as the customers flip from
electronic-trance-dance 
> music to polskas to rock'n'roll to Mozart to...oh, there's
just 
> one problem. That category would include about 80% of the 
> records in the store. Would still love to see someone try
> it.
> 

The Borders store in downtown Portland does have a section
labeled "Dance" but I've never seen anything that I would dance
to in there (ECD, Contra, Scandinavian, Vintage, Lindy and
Swing). It seems to be the Rock music that is found in "clubs"
around town and doesn't even include popular swing bands. Swing
has become very popular among teens and young adults since the
Crystal Ballroom was re-opened.

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While you're asking Rosie, ask her to put all the rest of the records out
on CD, and keep them out there.  My turntable died and I don't really like
tapes.

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--- Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing <winston-AT-
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wrote:

> I found a cool CD called "Best of the BarelyWorks"[1] - which may
> approach 
> the kind of thing Martin is thinking of as English Country music[2]
> - in 
> the World Music section at Tower Records.  (It actually made me
> twitch
> to find 'British Isles' in the World Music section[3], and it made
> me 
> twitch again to find a historical volume of early recordings by
> music hall 
> greats in there too.) 

Okay, that reminds me of a story that's just too good not to share. 
A number of years ago when I was still living in Boston and Harvard
Square was still a great place to find nonelectric street
entertainment (anyone here remember the Shakespeare Brothers?  The
Fantasy Jugglers? those were the days) I was in the Square one
evening listening to someone play O'Carolan and tunes of that ilk on
the hammered dulcimer.  Standing next to me was a fellow in full punk
regalia.  At a break between tunes this fellow turned to me with a
sigh and said something to the effect of "Isn't this New Age music
the greatest?"  I told him that the hammered dulcimer was actually
one of the oldest musical instruments known and he looked a little
crestfallen, but then perked up and said "But he's playing New Age
songs."

Hey, the important thing is, he recognized quality.  As Alan says,
it's all World Music, and it all belongs to the Holocene.

Barbara

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And while we're on the topic of world music here's a question I've
recently been wondering about.  Where in the world was ECD danced
during it's heydey (not of course to contradict Gene Murrow's
assertion that _now_ is the Golden Age of English Dance)?  I wanted
to do up a publicity piece with the hook line that "For 2 1/2
centuries it was the most popular form of dance in the world..." And
then I thought, well I can't really say that because I'd be equating
something that was popular in Europe and North America with the whole
world, leaving out a few continents and cultures, such as Africa,
Latin America, Australia and Asia (not to mention Greenland as has
been discussed here recently).  I could always say "most popular in
England, Europe and North America" although that lacks some of the
zing, or possibly more accurately "in the Western World", but then I
started thinking about the fact that it made it over here to the U.S.
because of the English colonists, and the English did after all make
it to parts of all those other continents as well, in fact taking
over in many places - and where they didn't some other European power
did.  So, did they also take the dancing with them?  Was what we call
English Country dancing a part of the colonial culture on other
continents?  Or in other words, if the sun never set on the British
empire, does that mean it never set on English dancing as well?

Barbara

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I will try to keep this down to a single posting this time!

I've been asked by a number of people for the list of dances that
will be on the Elm City Ball Program.  The program is still "in
process" and as soon as it has been finalized, I will post it for the
benefit of the list.

But I can tell you this much.  It's going to be good!

Barbara

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Barbara Ruth wrote

 the English did after all make
>it to parts of all those other continents as well, in fact taking
>over in many places - and where they didn't some other European power
>did.  So, did they also take the dancing with them?  Was what we call
>English Country dancing a part of the colonial culture on other
>continents?  Or in other words, if the sun never set on the British
>empire, does that mean it never set on English dancing as well?

Someone at Pinewoods a few years ago came to a workshop on Rummaging on the
Internet in order to research the English Origins of Australian dances.
Yes, definitely, the dances migrated, though not completely unchanged by
local custom and other ethnic influences. 

A Polish workshop at Centrum's International Dance Week some years ago
included a Polish dance called "Shirozh" which is a variant of "Sir Roger
de coverly"  Say "Sir Rog" and "Shirozh" to realize that the name's the
same too. 

South Africa includes dances of Dutch Origin, so I wouldn't be surprised if
there are English dances there as well. Anybody know some?

At a dance class for Senior Citizens, a Philippine woman in her eighties
asked me "Do you know the Rigadoun?"  She had danced this at formal balls
in her youth in the Philippines, and described it as a longways set dance.
(From England to Spain to the Philippines?  Or maybe the Rigadoun started
elsewhere before it came to England?) 

About 15 years ago I went to a workshop on dances and songs of the Georgia
Sea Islands.  I was fascinated with the cultural roots of the material.
Some of the stuff was straight Yoruba (my husband was in the peace corps in
Nigeria so we own musical instruments and recordings and fabrics from the
Yoruba people)   Many of the stories and games were Yoruba, and all the
instruments were; agogo (two metal cowbells, attached), gourd rattles,
talking drums.  

But one of the games included a section to which you sing " Wind up this
Borrin".  The teacher thought it came from the fact that folks were poor
and always "borrowin" things from each other.  But the figure and the words
are the same as the British singing game figure "Wind up the Bobbin" or
"Wind up the Ball o'Yarn" --  a line that spirals inwards until everyone is
packed together like a ball of yarn.  

The Opies (husband and wife team I think, I forget the first names) wrote a
compendium on children's singing games years ago, and the most fascinating
thing I remember from an extensive book is that there was a children's
singing game from a Cockney area of London --the only place this version of
the game existed.  One family  from that area of London migrated to
Australia.  Singing games are not written or recorded, and adults are never
involved in teaching children these games-- jump rope rhymes, ball bouncing
chants, singing games are spread from kid to kid.  Even so, it took only
three years for the song and game to have spread all over Australia.  

Powerful stuff, this folklore. So I'm sure others have examples of pieces
of Britain sucessfully transplanted and maybe mutated into other music and
dance traditions.

Victoria

 

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Barbara Ruth asked:

"Where in the world was ECD danced during it's heydey...?"

When Howard and I were in Denmark on a folk dancers' exchange trip some of
the Danish leaders and teachers told us that ECD was indeed done in Denmark
in the 18th c. (no mention of 19th c. specifically).  The national folk
dance organization (DGI, and I don't recall exactly what the letters stand
for) does not promote country dancing, considering it to be not "of the
folk" but rather of the upper classes.

Pat

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Paul wrote

> The Opies (husband and wife team I think, I forget the first names) wrote
a
> compendium on children's singing games years ago


Husband and wife Iona and Peter Opie - recognised as leading authorities on
nursery rhymes, playground games, childhood lore etc etc..

Wrote "The Lore and Language of Schoolchildren" (1963) edited the "Oxford
Dictionary of Nursery Rhymes" and much other stuff.  Collected and produced
a wealth of material over a 20 - 30 year period.

Sorry slightly (?) off-topic. [waits for blast from list moderator]

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Peter and Iona

John Meechan

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> Paul wrote
>
> > The Opies (husband and wife team I think, I forget the first names)
wrote
> a
> > compendium on children's singing games years ago
>
>
> Husband and wife Iona and Peter Opie - recognised as leading authorities
on
> nursery rhymes, playground games, childhood lore etc etc..
>
> Wrote "The Lore and Language of Schoolchildren" (1963) edited the "Oxford
> Dictionary of Nursery Rhymes" and much other stuff.  Collected and
produced
> a wealth of material over a 20 - 30 year period.
>
> Sorry slightly (?) off-topic. [waits for blast from list moderator]
>
> Ron H
>
>

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I learnt "The Haydn", a simple three-couple longways, several years ago
from John Lagden.

I have just looked up in Hugh Stewart's database and it seems to be
written by Audrey Town and published in "The Village Maid". As far as I
can check, the booklet is no longer available. Can anyone provide me
with some more information?

Thanks.

Philippe Callens

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--- Andrew Peterson <lyrlsbro-AT-
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> --- Paul Stamler <pstamler-AT-
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> > record stores think John Denver is folk). 
> 
> It depends on your definition of "folk".

Maybe the issue at question isn't whether what John Denver does
should be considered "folk" but rather whether what he does should be
considered music.

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In a message dated 11/3/0 7:54:54 PM, you wrote:

<<> It depends on your definition of "folk".
Maybe the issue at question isn't whether what John Denver does
should be considered "folk" but rather whether what he does should be
considered music.
Barbara>>

He spends his time decomposing these days. Does that count as music?

Actually, John Denver's music may be saccharine stuff, but it certainly is 
better than a lot of the junk that seems to merit serious reviews and 
discussion on NPR. He made serious attempts at folk-style music in the days 
of Peter, Paul and Mary and Joan Baez, who seemed like genuine "folk" to me 
then, even if they did make it to the big time.  
Carl Friedman
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In a message dated 3/11/00 3:01:56 pm, system-AT-
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writes:

>ECD music is not part of the media hype (when is the last time
>you heard ECD music on pop radio?)

Easy to answer that one! Mike Oldfield made a recording (instrumental) of the 
'Playford' tune "Portsmouth" back in the late seventies which got very high 
in the pop charts.
                                                        Nicolas B., Lanark, 
Scotland.
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**For those of you who are also on the 'eceilidh' maillist there will be a
sense of deja-vu about this posting.  It was originally sent to both lists
but failed on the ECD list because of technical issues which are now
resolved.

Here is a new dance which you are all welcome to use.  Although it was
written as an American Contra it should easily translate into the more
physical eceilidh genre or to the American version of English Country Dance
(ECD).  For those on the eceilidh list you may be surprised to learn that
the American Contra scene is in many ways more physically demanding than
eceilidh.  Although (dance) walked rather than stepped, the pace is usually
fast and dances can often last 20-30 times through with considerable
improvisation from many of the dancers.

RHONDA'S ROMANCE
Author: Michael Barraclough
First performed: Abbey Pub, Chicago, 11 September 2000
Formation: Longways duple minor, 1st couples improper (or sicillian circle)
Style: American Contra

Rhonda is Rhonda Hotop and September 11 was Rhonda's last visit to the
weekly dance run by the Chicago Barn Dance Company at the Abbey as she
was moving to take up a post at the Westin Arts Academy in Fort Collins,
Colorado.

A1 Bars 1-2: Balance (American style) with neighbour, and
A1 Bars 3-4: box the gnat with neighbour, and
A1 Bars 5-8: swing neighbour (you should be able to get a real cool,
             smooth transition into the swing (end facing across the
             set, neighbour by your side = progression)
A2 Bars 1-4  Lines forward and back
A2 Bars 5-8  Do-si-do partner (American style)
B1 Bars 1-4  Gypsey partner
B1 Bars 5-8  Swing partner (ending with 2s facing down and 1s facing up)
B2 Bars 1-4  Circle left (to these places)
B2 Bars 5-6  Balance the circle in and out (let go of neighbour and)
B2 Bars 7-8  California twirl with partner to face new neighbour

By the way, the dance tells a tale - after a brief flirtation with your
neighbour you get ever closer to your partner until you melt into each
others arms and swing.  As the dance goes on you are for ever tempted but
always return to your own.

Michael Barraclough
17th & 21st Century Dancing Master

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Mike Barraclough said:

> **For those of you who are also on the 'eceilidh' maillist there will be a
> sense of deja-vu about this posting.  It was originally sent to both lists
> but failed on the ECD list because of technical issues which are now
> resolved.


Thanks Mike - I took the dance off the original EC posting, and I hope you
don't mind but I gave a copy of it to John Chapman when we were working with
him at his club in Stratford a couple of weeks ago.  He was thrilled and he
said that he and Dee will work on it and try it out next time we play
there - I'll let you know how it goes.

Did you have any particular tune in mind to go with it?

Ta

Ron H

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Following up on some recent messages, I'd be glad to hear some informed 
views as to differences in style between "English country dance and 
Playford, American style," and "English country dance and Playford, British 
style." I've been to what I gather were Ceilidhs in England (I'm no expert 
but I gather that is what they were, mostly at Sword Dance festivals' 
evening entertainments), but never to anything allegedly or recognizably 
"Playford", "country dance" etc. in England.

I apologize in advance for bringing up something on-topic, as opposed to 
interminably rambling off-topic on the list about anything I damned well 
please. I hope you all will forgive me. I feel ashamed of myself, in fact. 
Please don't hit me when next you see me in line at a dance.

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--- "Stephen D. Corrsin" <corrsin1-AT-
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> I apologize in advance for bringing up something on-topic, as
> opposed to interminably rambling off-topic on the list about 
> anything I damned well please. I hope you all will forgive me.

> I feel ashamed of myself, in fact. Please don't hit me when 
> next you see me in line at a dance.
> 
Okay, I'll bite while we are "on-topic". Last night was the
opening dance of the Portland English Ball weekend and it was a
wonderful dance in a large hall that was not filled nearly to
capacity. The Ball itself will be at the Portland Art Museum's
North Annex Ballroom and we have lots of room for as many people
as want to come. It's a huge room. Just hop on a plane and get
here by 7:00PM.

Happy dancing wherever you are.

Andy in Portland

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Friends,
I am sorry to report that Christine recently fell and broke her
pelvic bone.  According to Marshall Barron, she is comfortable and
recovering well, but lonesome, in the health center of the complex in
which she lives.  Visits are welcome from those who live close
enough, and telephone calls as well.  She is awake and alert and
happy to talk to people. Needless to say, cards and letters would be
extremely welcome.  It would be nice to inundate Christine with
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Ron H wrote (re Michael Barraclough's new dance "Rhonda's Romance"

> Thanks Mike - I took the dance off the original EC posting, and I hope you
> don't mind but I gave a copy of it to John Chapman when we were working with
> him at his club in Stratford a couple of weeks ago.  He was thrilled and he
> said that he and Dee will work on it and try it out next time we play
> there - I'll let you know how it goes.
> 
> Did you have any particular tune in mind to go with it?
> 

There is no specific tune for it - the tune chosen should reflect the style of dance (eceilidh, contra ECD etc) that it is being used for.  If you want any guidance then I would suggest a tune with an A music that has a 2bar/2bar/4bar internal structure(to match the dance elements) and a B music with a 4bar/bar internal structure.

Michael Barraclough
Itinerant C17 & C21 Dancing Master & eCeilidh Caller

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SallenNic-AT-
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> In a message dated 3/11/00 3:01:56 pm, system-AT-
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> writes:
> 
> >ECD music is not part of the media hype (when is the last time
> >you heard ECD music on pop radio?)
> 
> Easy to answer that one! Mike Oldfield made a recording (instrumental) of the 
> 'Playford' tune "Portsmouth" back in the late seventies which got very high 
> in the pop charts.

And we used to dance to it at Manchester University. I was quite 
surprised to discover that the rest of the dance world did not 
consider Portsmouth to be a rant.

Bob


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In response to Phille Callens' enquiry about "The Haydn", the booklet called
"The Village
Maid" is no longer available. It is a collection of seven dances of
eighteenth century origin, edited by Audrey Town and Penny Bradshaw. The
dances were interpreted by Charles Soper of Newcastle from a collection of
dances by Boucher, published in the 1770's and found in Bedford. It also
appears in a collection from Bland and Weller's Music Warehouse c.1800.
Some time ago I was invited to lead a dance in Llangollen in North Wales and
I included this dance in my programme. When I taught it to the group, they
all cried "That's Welsh Quack!" -a dance well known to them (but not to me).
However the music was completely different. Some time later I heard that
David and Kathryn Wright had researched "Welsh Quack" and further
information about that can be obtained from them.

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Hi Mike, 
Received two messages from you with "no subject" in the subject line, and no 
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Robert & Hazel Moir wrote:

> In response to Phille Callens' enquiry about "The Haydn", the booklet called
> "The Village
> Maid" is no longer available. It is a collection of seven dances of
> eighteenth century origin, edited by Audrey Town and Penny Bradshaw. The
> dances were interpreted by Charles Soper of Newcastle from a collection of
> dances by Boucher, published in the 1770's and found in Bedford. It also
> appears in a collection from Bland and Weller's Music Warehouse c.1800.
> Some time ago I was invited to lead a dance in Llangollen in North Wales and
> I included this dance in my programme. When I taught it to the group, they
> all cried "That's Welsh Quack!" -a dance well known to them (but not to me).
> However the music was completely different. Some time later I heard that
> David and Kathryn Wright had researched "Welsh Quack" and further
> information about that can be obtained from them.
>
> Robert Moir

Thank you for the information Robert (we met at True Brit last year). I believe
that the "chapel revival" in Wales wiped out much of the dance tradition in
parts of Wales and many of the current "Welsh" dances are reconstructions from
neighboring English Country Dances. I wonder if this is one of them. By the
way-having been there-the nearest that I can come to the pronunciation of
Llangollen is "thlanguthlen". Hope I am close.

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"Stephen D. Corrsin" <corrsin1-AT-
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> Following up on some recent messages, I'd be glad to hear some informed 
> views as to differences in style between "English country dance and 
> Playford, American style," and "English country dance and Playford, British 
> style." I've been to what I gather were Ceilidhs in England (I'm no expert 
> but I gather that is what they were, mostly at Sword Dance festivals' 
> evening entertainments), but never to anything allegedly or recognizably 
> "Playford", "country dance" etc. in England.

I suspect you already know about my web page on the subject, 
and I'm sure everyone else here is tired of hearing about it, but for 
the benefit of those who haven't come across it:

http://www.hottub.demon.co.uk/dqcc.htm

has some (vaguely) informed opinions. I'm quite happy to discuss 
questions arising from this.

Unless the UK sword dance scene has changed drastically over 
the past 18 months you would indeed have been to ceilidhs at the 
sword festivals. There is plenty of Playford stuff around in the UK, 
but you might need to dig a little to get at it.

You might also want to think about subscribing to the English 
Ceilidh mailing list (send blank e-mail to eceilidh-
join-AT-
netservs.com), although be warned that they tend to have a 
very narrow focus on EC, and might not be the best place to get 
discussion of the differences.

Bob




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On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, Andrew Peterson wrote:

> John Denver is considered "Folk" if only because of the beginnings of
> his national exposure as the replacement for Chad Mitchell in the
> Mitchell Trio. I saw him with the Mitchell Trio in 1968 in one of
> their last concerts before breaking up and the concert included a
> banjo player by the name of Paul Prestopino playing back-up. Paul, who
> was on the last Mitchell Trio albums as well as some of John Denver's
> early albums, is now to be found in New Jersey playing for dances
> (including ECD) with Hold the Mustard.

a few years after i started playing in the princeton pick-up band with
paul prestopino & others, and dancing ECD to callers including gene
murrow, i took another look at some of the LPs that i had grown up
listening to & that were still on my parents' record shelf.  there, on
judy collins' "whales and nightingales", were *both* paul and gene.  what
a small world!  paul's complete discography, if he's kept track, would
make very interesting reading.  (he also plays mandolin, banjo, bass,
harmonica, and recorder, by the way.  i wish someone would hand him a
lute; at the last english dance we played, i could have sworn there were 
renaissance divisions coming out of the mandolin.)

if you see peter, paul, and mary in concert (live or televised), try to
get a glimpse of the backup band.  anyone who's danced to hold the mustard
will recognize the guitarist in the overalls...

susie lorand

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--- "Susan R. Lorand" <srl-AT-
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> a few years after i started playing in the princeton pick-up
> band with paul prestopino & others, and dancing ECD to callers

> including gene murrow, i took another look at some of the LPs 
> that i had grown up listening to & that were still on my 
> parents' record shelf. there, on judy collins' "whales and 
> nightingales", were *both* paul and gene.  what a small world!

>     <<snip>>

I hadn't noticed Paul, but I knew about Gene Murrow being on
that album. The song titled "Gene's Song" is actually "The
Beggar Boy" and as I recall Gene telling it, he didn't even know
they had recorded it until the album came out. He probably would
have given them the proper title to it if they had asked and
maybe told them that it is an ECD tune. A great opportunity for
ECD publicity was missed.

Andy

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Dianna

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For anyone who might be interested, this came from the
Scand-AT-
eGroups.com e-mail list. Note that one of the dances is
"Engelska (country dance)". There actually are a number of
dances named "Engelska" that I have run across.

SKANDIA WESTSIDE LOS ANGELES
Saturday, Nov 18, 2000
Lindberg Park Hall 
Rhoda & Virginia Ave, Culver City (westside of Los Angeles)
Directions: Near 405 and 10 Freeways.
Fwy 405: Exit Jefferson, east to Overland, L or N to Virginia
(signal), L or W to the park.
Fwy 10: Exit Overland, south (2 mi) to Virginia (signal), R or W
to the park.

Afternoon Workshop
3:30 - 5:30 PM $6:00 
Petri Kauppinen and Milla Korja,
dance instructors from Finland,
will teach: Quadrille fr. Carelian
Engelska (country dance)
Finnish Polska variations

(Break for dinner together)
Evening Dance Party
7:30-11:00 PM $9:00 
Dance Music by Kriss Larson's Gammaldans Band
EXTRA: A Concert of songs and dances from Finland

For more info: 310/827-3618 or fsotcher-AT-
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On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, Susan R. Lorand wrote:

> a few years after i started playing in the princeton pick-up band with
> paul prestopino & others, and dancing ECD to callers including gene
> murrow, i took another look at some of the LPs that i had grown up
> listening to & that were still on my parents' record shelf.  there, on
> judy collins' "whales and nightingales", were *both* paul and gene.

I'm not sure which Judy Collins album it was -- might have been that one --
but on one of them, there was an instrumental track entitled "Somebody's
Tune" (with an actual name substituted for "Somebody"), which was in fact
the tune we know as "Beggar Boy."  Was the "Somebody" perhaps one of these
guys?

-------------------------------
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Susie,
Do you know by any chance if the dates for the three Bare Necessities
dances around the beginning of December are fixed for 2001 yet?  And if
so, does the Princeton area one on Friday fall on Nov. 30, or is it the
following week?

I have been asked to do another gig for the Jane Austen Society on Dec. 2,
2001 and I'd like to know if that conflicts with the BN weekend or not.

Maybe I'll see you at this year's gig?

Eric


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Sorry about this going to the list; I _know_ I selected the reply to go
only to Susie, so I don't know how this got here,

Eric


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--- Dianna Shipman <diannashipman-AT-
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> My computer tries to download a program off this email. 
> what's up?
> Dianna
> 
There is a web-site on the ad at the bottom line of that
posting. Maybe your system is automatically going to that
web-site and trying to download the program for that mail
system. (I erased all but your message so it doesn't try to do
it again.)

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Some years ago I picked up a book that was given to a friend of mine in
the States entitled "The History of Jazz Dance (?)" by the Sterns. There
was a fascinating section in there on the quadrille dances being done in
the West Indies by the slaves. Also it was noted that the Rigadoon was
being done by slaves at Balls in New Orleans with their owners. A book
worth reading if you can find it.

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On Tue, 7 Nov 2000, Eric Arnold wrote:

> Susie,
> Do you know by any chance if the dates for the three Bare Necessities
> dances around the beginning of December are fixed for 2001 yet?  And if
> so, does the Princeton area one on Friday fall on Nov. 30, or is it the
> following week?

perhaps other on the list are looking ahead as well.

to the best of my knowledge (after consultation with a representative of
GCD) the dates for next year's bare necessities tour of the mid-atlantic
will be

fri., nov. 30, 2001: princeton, NJ area (exact location TBA) dance
sponsored by LCD

sat., dec. 1, 2001: philadelphia area - GCD "predominantly playford" ball

sun., dec. 2, 2001: new york city - cd*ny yuletide cotillion

- susie lorand

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Emily - I will.  I am waiting until the end of next week and I will then
batch up all the replies and forward on.

Michael

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While you're asking Rosie, ask her to put all the rest of the records out
on CD, and keep them out there.  My turntable died and I don't really like
tapes.

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If you send me "snail mail" please note my change of address

from:

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If you've received this email in error, my apologies - it's a one-time only
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Susie,
Do you know by any chance if the dates for the three Bare Necessities
dances around the beginning of December are fixed for 2001 yet?  And if
so, does the Princeton area one on Friday fall on Nov. 30, or is it the
following week?

I have been asked to do another gig for the Jane Austen Society on Dec. 2,
2001 and I'd like to know if that conflicts with the BN weekend or not.

Maybe I'll see you at this year's gig?

Eric


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Experienced English Country Dancers are invited to
sign up for a special dance party/musicians rehearsal
for a forthcoming CD of music for dances of Gary
Roodman.

The event, scheduled for Friday, 22 December 2000,
from
7:30-11:00pm, is sponsored by Country Dancers of
Westchester, White Plains, NY, and features two
outstanding bands: MGM (Mary Lea, Gene Murrow, and
Margaret Ann Martin) and Reunion (Jonathan Jensen,
Barbara Greenberg, and Dan Beerbohm).

Registration must be limited to 60 experienced
dancers.
If you'd like to attend, please complete the form
below and send it with check payable to 'Country
Dancers of Westchester' for $15.00 per person to:

	Jane Dubin
	3 Chateaux Circle
	Apt. H
	Scarsdale, NY 10583

Registration will be confirmed after 22 November. In
case of over-subscription, members of CDW have
preference, and a waiting list will be maintained.

Please include a self-addressed, stamped business-size
envelope with your application. A list of dances and
other information will be sent on or about the
confirmation date.

All proceeds in excess of expenses for the dance will
go toward production of the CD.

For more information, contact Susan Murrow at
(914)762-8619 or to her e-mail address,
75272.730-AT-
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This is the not entirely complete program for the upcoming Elm City
Ball.  Two or three dances are still under negotiation (and will be
posted on web site when available
http://pantheon.yale.edu/~bfr4/NH.English.html), but goodness, if
this isn't enough to convince you that it's going to be a terrific
ball, those few dances aren't going to make a difference.

Ashford Anniversary
Corelli's Maggot
Female Sayler
Gigue for Genny
Hambleton's Round O
Hit & Miss
In the Bleak Midwinter
Jacob Hall's Jig
Maid Peep'd Out the Window
Mr. Beveridge's Maggot
Never Love Thee More
News From Tripoly
The Pursuit
Room For Ramblers
St. Margaret's Hill
Sun Assembly
Wa' Is Me, What Mun I Do


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                        The Society of Dance History Scholars
                         is proud to announce the fifth
                         GERTRUDE LIPPINCOTT AWARD

 2000 Gertrude Lippincott Award 
 Open to members and non-members of SDHS

The Society of Dance History Scholars invites submissions and
nominations for the fifth annual Gertrude Lippincott Award for
the best English language article on dance history or theory
published in 2000.  The award is named after its donor, Gertrude
Lippincott.  It was established to recognize excellence in the
field of dance scholarship. The $500 award and a certificate
will be presented to the winning author at the Society's annual
conference in June 2001 at Goucher College in Towson, Maryland.

Dance history and theory are broadly defined.  Nominations may
include the history, theory, and analysis of any genre of dance
from any methodological perspective.  Authors may submit their
own essays.  Nominations also may be made by editors,
publishers, and members of SDHS (only one entry per nominator or
author, please).

To enter the competition, send four copies of the published
article and a cover letter with the name, address, phone number,
and email (if available) of the author to Amy Koritz; Chair,
Gertrude Lippincott Award; English Department, Tulane
University; New Orleans, LA  70118-5698.

Members of the Editorial Board and the Board of Directors of
SDHS are not eligible.  Written inquiries may be addressed to
Amy Koritz or sent via email to:
akoritz-AT-
mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu   No fax or email submissions
will be accepted.

All nominations must be received by January 31, 2001.

The Society of Dance History Scholars is a constituent member of
the American Council of Learned Societies
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                  The Central Illinois English Country Dancers
                                   Present An

                   E N G L I S H   C O U N T R Y   D A N C E
                          C H R I S T M A S   B A L L


   The Central Illinois English Country Dancers will be holding their sixth
annual Christmas Ball on Saturday, December 16, 2000.  The dance will be held
at the Channing-Murray Foundation, 1209 W. Oregon, Urbana, IL, on the campus
of the University of Illinois.  There will be a warm up session from 7:00 to
8:00 with a review of the basics of English country dance as well as some of
the evening's dances.  The Ball will follow from 8:00 to 11:00 p.m.  Fans and
finery are encouraged.  Bring fruit or a dessert to share.  There is a $5.00
suggested donation to help cover the cost of the Ball.  We ask that dancers
wear soft soled shoes to help protect the dance floor and avoid using
excessive amounts of perfume for the benefit of others that may experience
allergic reactions.  All dances will be taught and all lovers of English
country dance and music are welcome.

Dances Lead By: Susan Burt, Jane Hobgood and Jonathan Sivier
Music Provided By: The Flatland Consort
Warm Up Session: 7:00 p.m.
Christmas Ball: 8:00 to 11:00 p.m.
Date: Saturday, December 16, 2000
Location: Channing-Murray Foundation, 1209 W. Oregon, Urbana, IL
Suggested Donation: $5.00

   There will be refreshments and a mummers' play at the break and a dessert
party following the dance.

   For further information contact Jonathan Sivier (j-sivier-AT-
uiuc.edu) at
217/359-8225 or Jane Hobgood at 217/328-1708.  You can check the Christmas
Ball website at http://www.prairienet.org/ciecd/xmas.html

   For those who are interested, the Urbana Country Dancers will be holding a
contra dance on Friday, December 15, from 8 to 11 p.m. at the Phillip's
Recreation Center, 505 W. Stoughton, Urbana.  Deborah Hyland from St. Louis
will be calling and the band will be The Prairie Dogs.

   Central Illinois English Country Dancers is affiliated with the Champaign
Park District and a member of the Champaign County Cultural Consortium.


                    If we don't see you at the Ball,
                    Then 'Happy Hols' to one and all!


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|  Work: 217/244-1923            |                                      |
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From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing <winston-AT-
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Subject: Got Chimes of Dunkirk instructions?
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ECDers --

If one of you happens to have the instructions for 
"Chimes of Dunkirk/Dunkerque" handy, could you email or post them?
(Since I have seen an 1865 publication of the dance, I'm sure it's 
out of copyright.)

I seem to have left the relevant books at home, and I'm at work, and need
to print out the stuff for the Victorian ball (Saturday in Eureka) before
I go home.

Thanks!

-- Alan


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Alan --

Here are instructions for "Chimes of Dunkirk"
from the New England Dancing Masters' book...

Formation:  Longways for 6-10 couples

A   (16)        All forward and back. (8)
        Right hand around partner. (8)

B1 (16) All claphands 3 times with music. (4)
        All stamp one foot 3 times w/music (4)
        Two hand turn around partner. (8)

B2 (16) Clapping (4) and stamping (4) as before.
        First couple take 2 hands across and
          sashay to the bottom of the set.
        Everyone else move up one place, while
          top couple sashays. (8)

Repeat the dance with the new top couple.

I hope this is what you wanted!  It is attributed to
Dudley Laufman, "who learned it from a friend in
the 1960s and adapted the original French circle
dance into a longways set."

All good wishes from Susan
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Lately, I have been looking at halls at which to hold a special ECD
event.  Aside from geographic, logistic and aesthetic considerations,
sufficient capacity to accommodate the dancers is, of course, crucial. 
Has anyone derived a formula to estimate the number of dancers a room can
comfortably accommodate given its length & width?

William DeRagon
Albuquerque, NM
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William R DeRagon writes:
> 
> Lately, I have been looking at halls at which to hold a special ECD
> event.  Aside from geographic, logistic and aesthetic considerations,
> sufficient capacity to accommodate the dancers is, of course, crucial. 
> Has anyone derived a formula to estimate the number of dancers a room can
> comfortably accommodate given its length & width?

   Obviously it depends on your definition of "comfortably".  I haven't
made a real study of it, but a rule of thumb I've used in the past which
seems OK is that you need around 12' of width for a longways set and a
16' square area for a square.  This includes the space behind the dancers,
between the sets.  It's possible to squeeze this some and use less space
and some dances may take more space (and some dancers if they are wearing
costumes).

Jonathan

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|  Jonathan Sivier               |Q: How many angels can dance on the   |
|  j-sivier-AT-
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|  Flight Simulation Lab         |A: It depends on what dance you call. |
|  Beckman Institute             |                                      |
|  405 N. Mathews                |  SWMDG - Single White Male           |
|  Urbana, IL  61801             |          Dance Gypsy                 |
|  Work: 217/244-1923            |                                      |
|  Home: 217/359-8225            |  Have shoes, will dance.             |
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I realize that I have been remiss in making my usual announcement
about the NOMAD festival in a timely way, but here it is.  NOMAD will
be happening THIS WEEKEND (starting tonight with a contra dance), at
the usual time and place in Newtown High School, and once again there
are 10 HOURS of English Dance scheduled throughout the weekend,
including many of our regular suspects, such as Robin Hayden, Mary
Jones, Peggy Vermilya, Rich Galloway, Fried Herman, and more.

More information on the festival can be gotten at
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/8797/index.html

See some of you there.

Barbara

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We have been using a formula of 20 square feet per dancer, and it seems to 
work well.

Margherita Davis

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>Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 06:27:06 -0700
>
>Lately, I have been looking at halls at which to hold a special ECD
>event.  Aside from geographic, logistic and aesthetic considerations,
>sufficient capacity to accommodate the dancers is, of course, crucial.
>Has anyone derived a formula to estimate the number of dancers a room can
>comfortably accommodate given its length & width?
>
>William DeRagon
>Albuquerque, NM

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I have agreed to teach some English country dances to a large group of
middle schoolers as part of their humanities curriculum. The setting will be
the gym; the kids, 6th, 7th and 8th graders - will number an incredible
80-90! I will be able to use both CDs and cassettes, and teachers will be
present (but are not experienced dancers). The 8th graders are presently
studying American colonial history, which is a nice coincidence. The
humanities teacher has a little folk dance experience, but just a little,
and no ECD. She was totally unaware of Berea's Christmas School or other
activities, which take place 35 miles away...

My recorded resources are somewhat limited, although I may be able to borrow
some things from my local group. I have the three new Bare Necessities CDs
(plus their earlier works), _The Playford Ball_, and some of the Sharp
country dance book series. My main concern is not materials, but numbers of
kids...any ideas about handling them? We have room for at least three
longways sets, and there is a stage at the end of the gym - I may need to
use a mike, since it's echo-y and this will happen last hour on a Friday.

I'm thinking of wearing a colonial era costume just to help catch their
attention - I know some of these kids, as I volunteer in the school library
a couple of afternoons each week, but some will be new to me. Does this seem
like a good idea?The 8th graders are having a "colonial day" just before
Thanksgiving, when they will all wear costumes. If I had my preference, I'd
be teaching just these kids - and those who are really interested - with the
idea that they could do a demo for the rest of the school but this idea
didn't fly with the teachers, alas. And I will be out of town for the
colonial day...

I have worked with children before, teaching singing games and playparty
games in elementary school, and have done demonstrations for the same age
group, but working alone with this large a group of this age is new for me.
Any suggestions? Middle schoolers are full of energy, enthusiastic but
sometimes afraid to be un-cool, and easily distracted. Peer pressure is
overwhelming. Not an easy gig - but possibly an extremely rewarding one.

Suggestions of material and methods of teaching are most welcome!

Thanks-

Susan Booker



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ECDers --

Susan Booker asked for ideas on teaching kids, and mentioned that she might
be wearing a colonial costume.

I think a useful book might be C. C. Hendrickson's _Colonial Social Dancing
For Children: Social Dancing of Washington's Time Arranged for Today's Young
People_ - The Hendrickson Group, Sandy Hook Connecticut, 1995.  I got my copy
from the Country Dance & Song Society, www.cdss.org/sales

I haven't actually taught kids using this book, but it looked pretty good 
to me.

Anyway, Susan, good luck!

-- Alan


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William DeRagon wrote:

  Lately, I have been looking at halls at which to hold a special ECD
  event.  Aside from geographic, logistic and aesthetic considerations,
  sufficient capacity to accommodate the dancers is, of course, crucial. 
  Has anyone derived a formula to estimate the number of dancers a room can
  comfortably accommodate given its length & width?


I like to allow 30 square feet per dancer, if I have a choice.  (I once 
was involved with a dance in a 2700sqft hotel ballroom with 103 people, and
there was just not enough room.  The band space was included in the 2700, 
and even with the refreshments outside, it was a sad crush.)

Other considerations: If you're having a lot of waltzes or other couple dances,
you might prefer a square room to a long narrow one.  Sometimes it's worth your
while to set the sets across the short rather than the long axis of the room -
we did this for the BACDS Playford Ball this year.

-- Alan



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Susan B. Booker writes:
> 
> I have agreed to teach some English country dances to a large group of
> middle schoolers as part of their humanities curriculum. The setting will be
> the gym; the kids, 6th, 7th and 8th graders - will number an incredible
> 80-90! I will be able to use both CDs and cassettes, and teachers will be
> present (but are not experienced dancers). The 8th graders are presently
> studying American colonial history, which is a nice coincidence. The
> humanities teacher has a little folk dance experience, but just a little,
> and no ECD. She was totally unaware of Berea's Christmas School or other
> activities, which take place 35 miles away...
> 
> My recorded resources are somewhat limited, although I may be able to borrow
> some things from my local group. I have the three new Bare Necessities CDs
> (plus their earlier works), _The Playford Ball_, and some of the Sharp
> country dance book series. My main concern is not materials, but numbers of
> kids...any ideas about handling them? We have room for at least three
> longways sets, and there is a stage at the end of the gym - I may need to
> use a mike, since it's echo-y and this will happen last hour on a Friday.
> 
> I'm thinking of wearing a colonial era costume just to help catch their
> attention - I know some of these kids, as I volunteer in the school library
> a couple of afternoons each week, but some will be new to me. Does this seem
> like a good idea?The 8th graders are having a "colonial day" just before
> Thanksgiving, when they will all wear costumes. If I had my preference, I'd
> be teaching just these kids - and those who are really interested - with the
> idea that they could do a demo for the rest of the school but this idea
> didn't fly with the teachers, alas. And I will be out of town for the
> colonial day...
> 
> I have worked with children before, teaching singing games and playparty
> games in elementary school, and have done demonstrations for the same age
> group, but working alone with this large a group of this age is new for me.
> Any suggestions? Middle schoolers are full of energy, enthusiastic but
> sometimes afraid to be un-cool, and easily distracted. Peer pressure is
> overwhelming. Not an easy gig - but possibly an extremely rewarding one.
> 
> Suggestions of material and methods of teaching are most welcome!

   I would suggest sticking with proper dances where it doesn't matter who
your partner is, that is you don't have figures where the women do one thing
and the men do another and so it matters that the women are in one line and
the men in another.  If you don't have this concern then the kids don't have
to pair up boys and girls.  If it was only the older kids, or those who were
particularly  interested this might not be a problem, but I've found that
trying to get kids to pair up can be difficult and you end up wasting time
you could be using teaching dances.  It's better to allow them to get a friend
as a partner and not worry about who is in which line.  Longways-whole-set
dances such as Galopede and Cumberland Reel work well.  You can also do simple
duple minor dances if you keep the progression simple.  I like to use dances
where the couples pass by and automagically meet their next neighbors.  I
try to stick to dances that use figures that are pretty much explained by
their names; circles, stars, hand-turns (left, right, two-), back-to-back
and lines (forward and back and down the hall).  Ones that I like are
Jefferson's Reel and the version of Haste To The Wedding in the Amidon book.

Jonathan

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|  Jonathan Sivier               |Q: How many angels can dance on the   |
|  j-sivier-AT-
uiuc.edu             |   head of a pin?                     |
|  Flight Simulation Lab         |A: It depends on what dance you call. |
|  Beckman Institute             |                                      |
|  405 N. Mathews                |  SWMDG - Single White Male           |
|  Urbana, IL  61801             |          Dance Gypsy                 |
|  Work: 217/244-1923            |                                      |
|  Home: 217/359-8225            |  Have shoes, will dance.             |
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|  Home page URL: http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/j-sivier                   |
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Susan B. Booker wrote

>I'm thinking of wearing a colonial era costume just to help catch their
attention

>Middle schoolers are full of energy, enthusiastic but sometimes afraid to
be un-cool

colonial-era costume = un-cool?

Michael Barraclough


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Susan, 

You didn't say how much lead time you had to collect material -- that
could be a significant factor, particularly if you have to find recordings
to work with.  

My thoughts on the subject, related to recent activity in teaching groups
of folks new to English Country Dancing and similar forms, but not
addressing that age group:

1)  Disorientation was the biggest problem I had at first.  Confusing
progressions, turns single, and gender imbalance seemed to be the most
conspicuous culprits.

2)  Lists of English Country Dances for beginning dancers, weddings,
children, etc. are often predominantly drawn from the so-called
"traditional" dances, i.e. dances like those in the Community Dance
Manual.  While these dances may be appropriate enough in many cases, they
form a rather special and limited group and don't really represent either
the bulk of ECD as it is mostly known at least in the US, or the colonial
era in the US.

3)  There are _many_ very approachable, simple longways duple minor dances
from the "historical" period of ECD (roughly 1651-1830) which seem to me
to be appropriate for beginners.  

General suggestions:

If you opt to avoid m/f pairing, finding dances in which orientation is
easily established without reference to the customary gender roles should
help.  

By sticking mostly to one form, especeially longways duple minor, the idea
of progression can be established early with simple dances and then
exploited throughout the rest of the ssession.  Trying to present the
variety of form which is one of the intriguing aspects of ECD is probably
more confusing than intriguing at this point.

Criteria I have found useful for selecting good duple-minor longways (dml)
dances for beginners are:

a) All figures before the progression should leave dancers back in their
home places.

b) Dances with a single repetition are good because they teach more
quickly -- e.g. first couple do something, then second couple do the
equivalent, etc.  But too much repetition can be confusing, e.g first
corners turn right hand once and a half, partners turn left hand once & a
half on the side, second corners turn once and a half, neighbors turn once
and a half on the side (the beginning of "Bonecrusher" by Fried Herman is
like this) is hard for newer dancers to keep track of (& it violates the
rule of returning home after each figure).  But the beginning of "Good Man
of Ballangigh" doesn't seem too bad in this respect.

c) The progression should come near the end, in such a way that it is easy
for folks to identify who they will dance with next.  If the progression
isn't the last figure, then only figures with partner, not the whole minor
set, should follow the progression, e. g. a final two-hand turn with
partner.  

d) Figures which require rapid execution in order to finish in the right
place on time, especially in the progression, should be avoided at least
until they have done the figure at a sloewr pace and have shown mastery of
it -- e.g. 3 changes of a circular hey in 6 steps or even 8 steps.

e) "Meanwhile" figures should be avoided.

f) If there are turns single, there should be time to reorient or the path
should be blatantly obvious, e.g. turn single right into circle left.

g) All figures should be done exclusively with the others in the same
minor set, i.e. no "lead through the next couple below and cast back to
progressed place" at the simplest level.  Even with lines fall back and
come forward, I like to have folks take hands only with their neighbors in
the minor set, not all up & down the line, even though I encourage them to
be aware of the whole set and its collective movements.

h) Violation of any one of these rules raises the "difficulty level" by
about 1/2, where 1 is a significantly more difficult dance.  

Shorter dances, e.g. 16 to 24 bars, are simpler to learn and are useful
for quick starts and for explaining the concept of progression, but
because they cause the progression to come more quickly, if there are
difficulties with the progression, they come more frequently.  Longer
dances with substantial repetition may be easier and may help folks relax
and enjoy them.

I have found these ideas very helpful in selecting material for beginners
and for ordering it for a program.  I have also found that it helps me
focus on what particular parts of a dance might require special attention,
and I have found that it helps to say a bit about how the progression is
happening in each dance, to raise their awareness that this needs to
happen and that when it does, or soon after, they will start over again
with new folks.  

The ideas are still evolving, and I would appreciate hearing your
reaction to them, whether they prove useful or otherwise.

Eric Arnold
 Ann Arbor

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Susan B. Booker said:

> Suggestions of material and methods of teaching are most welcome!



This was my experience in Bromsgrove, England.

I have done two of these school dance events. I'm not sure what age children
you are working with, but ours were about 8 - 10 years old.  My wife Fiona
and I played the music and a good friend of ours, Barry Jones, was the
caller.

The first example was actually four dances: several schools in the area join
forces to hold an annual country dance festival.  They take it in turns to
visit each school with about 30 children each, four schools in all, making
120 kids.  We did a series last year and again this, once each at the
schools.  The kids are keen and have practised for weeks in their individual
schools with records and the teachers training them.  The events are
amazingly rewarding, they rise to the live music and they adore every
moment, including each school putting on a special dance as a display that
they have practised.  This series of events works extremely well and the
kids are attentive and interested.

Last Friday we did an experimental afternoon in one of the above-mentioned
schools. This time it was *all* the kids in the top three yeargroups - about
150 kids age 8 - 11.  The difference was staggering (though not totally
unexpected).  This time we had kids of all sorts there: those who actually
wanted to be there and had done any dancing before were very much in the
minority.  Barry managed to control the proceedings (just) with a superhuman
effort, but the noise level was indescribable, and some of the children
wilfully disruptive to the point of exasperation.  Having said which, it was
moderately successful and most of the children appeared to have a good time
in the end.

From our rather privileged position of close observers not actually
responsible for controlling the heaving mass of children in a
none-too-spacious hall, Fiona and I were able to note certain things:

- change partner dances were definitely disliked and actively sabotaged by a
good number of the boys.  ("if ya think I'm holding hands with HER ya got
another think coming" etc)

- "while" type instructions do NOT work.

- gallop-y dances were enjoyed by the majority.

- grace and style - forget it!

- dances where all did the same thing together worked much better than those
where couple one do something, then couple two, then..etc.  Kids standing
around waiting for their turn got bored easily.

- a microphone was absolutely essential. Barry would not have been heard
even at full bellow.  This crowd of youngsters would (usually) stand
reasonably quietly during the walkthru, but once the dance started...
bedlam!  Nothing too awesome by way of PA, we just plugged him into a little
60w backline amp, but it was definitely necessary.  We were not using much
volume, just two small 60w combo amps like we use for dance clubs.

- gender imbalance was not a problem, if Barry used dances that did not have
specific instructions for "boys" and "girls".

Having said all that - we enjoyed the afternoon and many of the children
made a point of coming up and thanking us at the end - that made it all
worthwhile.

One thing we thought would have been a good idea, in the second example,
would have been for Barry to have had a little tutorial at the very
beginning to (say) explain what he meant by "do-si-do" or "right hand turn"
and a few other basic moves.

A final thought - keep the instructions simple, and keep them consistent:
Barry did one walk-thru saying "back to back" at a certain point in the
dance... then when we started he promptly called "do-si-do" at that point...
not a good idea to change the call between walk-thru and dance.

That wasn't intended as deep criticism of Barry - he is a first rate caller,
he did a marvellous job with those kids and many of them adored him.

We look forward to next year (maybe that sentence says it all really).

I wish you success and hope you have a wonderful time, Susan.  Kids can be a
very rewarding group of people to work with. I am not in a position to offer
much advice except that I think your approach will need to be markedly
different, depending on whether the kids want to be there, or whether they
do not, necessarily, want to be there



Ron Hawkins
Herbal Remedy Band
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I have to agree with Allan heading toward even higher numbers. I am
thinking of the hall we rent for the Seattle English Country Ball, which
has 4200 squ. feet of dance space. (Food service and the band stage do not
come out of this-- those are in addition to the 4200 ft of dance room.)

Several years ago we took 120 dancers (35 squ. ft per dancer) which filled
the hall to the edges with ample sized sets, and which contained enough
room to move beautifully.

We have had so many applicants in the past few years that we've accepted
140 people (30 squ.ft per dancer).  I find it a bit cramped.  One can still
dance, but it loses some of the expansive flow of the dance, and falling
back, casting and other figures that go outside the set require constant
vigilance to avoid crashing into others, and mincing steps in order to fill
the music in a limited space.  This is contrary to my view of the sweeping
flow of English style. If you can afford 35 squ. ft. per dancer, I'd go for
that.  If not 30 squ. ft is almost adequate. Less than that would be
unsatisfying.   

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I have received several private responses plus many on the list re. my
request for suggestions in teaching middle schoolers ECD - many thanks to
all who have responded; your interest and ideas are wonderful!

Some of you have had questions which I'll try to answer: these children are
6th, 7th and 8th graders, which translates to ages 11 though 14. I don't
think my Playford dress will be a problem, as the older kids are presently
working on their own costumes for "Colonial Day", November 22 - otherwise,
it might really be "un-cool", but last year's eighth graders really got into
attire and peacocked around all day! The humanities classes are mandated by
the state of Kentucky, but are also elective - that is, they must be taken
sometime during the three grades listed above (at least that's my
understanding; I may be mistaken). I will make sure that the kids know ahead
of time that they will be learning dances on Friday. These particular
students have done a little international dancing - but only once a month,
for one one-hour class session, just what we're facing next Friday (November
17; one week's lead time). Their teacher said that the younger ones
(predictably!) had problems with opposite sex partners, so I'm planning to
use dances where same-sex partners aren't an issue. I have access to my
local dance group's collection of dances and recorded music, and the school
has a mike I can use. This event is scheduled to be a one-time-only,
one-hour class - but with the understanding that I can return and teach more
if there is enough interest (so I may be asking for additional help down the
line).

I think I will start with "Sellenger's Round", as the formation is clear,
there is no progression, the figures repeat and everyone does them, and
partnering isn't problematic for those fearing "boy germs/girl
germs"."Gathering Peascods" has the same formation and many of the same
virtues, but is a bit more challenging, so I may tentatively schedule it on
the basis of how well "Sellenger's" works. Then I'd like to do a longways
dance - and that's probably plenty for the hour, considering that we'll be
starting pretty much from ground zero, as I wrote one of you. A little
social history needs to be included, plus a little about the music - but I
want them mostly dancing. So the decision now is, which longways dance will
work best? For the large number of dancers, I'll use at least three sets -
so I need something where the twos are fairly active, not just the ones,
since some may never get to the top of the set...I'm thinking in terms of
approximately 15 couples per set, which is pretty long. Most of these kids
will have done some version of the "Virginia Reel" in elementary school, as
part of Pioneer Kentucky day in fourth grade, and they may have had a little
ballroom or typical folkdancing instruction in gym class. So at least the
idea of dance isn't brand new..

Those of you who have responded  have all made so many good points, and made
them so well and thoughtfully - I really appreciate the interest and
generosity, which help remind me that we really are members of a true
community!

Thanks again,
Susan Booker


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 Hello Susan.

You said 

>I think I will start with "Sellenger's Round", as the formation is clear,
>there is no progression, the figures repeat and everyone does them, and
>partnering isn't problematic for those fearing "boy germs/girl
>germs".  "Gathering Peascods" has the same formation and many of the same
>virtues, but is a bit more challenging, so I may tentatively schedule it on
>the basis of how well "Sellenger's" works. 

I've taught Gathering Peascods to fourth grade and up for years.  They love
it.  I've taught it using "ones" and "twos" instead of boys and girls, and
I think you are wise to allow them to choose friends instead of making them
take opposite sex partners, which will make some of them shy about dancing.

You talk about same formation-- I teach Sellenger's Round in one big
circle, but Gathering Peascods in small circles of 5-8 couples, so they can
enjoy the slipping circles, and they can get around  in the 12 counts
allotted.  They really like the interlocking forward and back parts of the
chorus. If I had to choose one, I'd do Gathering Peascods, because its much
more fun.  (Also Sellenger's Round has setting, which you may not want to
bother with.)  

One way to teach the chorus is to teach everyone the ones part all the way
through, counting "wait 2,3,4" at the beginning of the second strain of
music.    Then tell the kids that the ones will start with the first half,
then do the second half, and the twos will start with the second half, then
do the first half.  This keeps everyone moving while you are teaching,
always safer with this age group.       

Costumes will probably make your event more, not less successful. Every kid
I've ever known LOVES to dress up.  When my beginning high school kids were
reluctant to perform Newcastle at Northwest Folklife Festival, I brought in
a set of costumes, and spread them on the floor of the dance studio.  They
all grabbed at once, and there was no more question about whether to do the
show-- just about who got to wear the turquoise-brocade-with-pearls, and
which of the boys got doublets and hats with feathers, and which had to
settle for mere vests.  

Then I'd like to do a longways
>dance - and that's probably plenty for the hour, considering that we'll be
>starting pretty much from ground zero, as I wrote one of you. A little
>social history needs to be included, plus a little about the music - but I
>want them mostly dancing. So the decision now is, which longways dance will
>work best? 

I recommend Knole Park as the longways.  It doesn't meet your requirement
of keeping the twos moving all the time, but its very easy to teach
progression  with it because the 2 hand hold on the poussette opens into
"hands four" on the circle left  with the new couple.   

For the large number of dancers, I'll use at least three sets -
>so I need something where the twos are fairly active, not just the ones,
>since some may never get to the top of the set...I'm thinking in terms of
>approximately 15 couples per set, which is pretty long. Most of these kids
>will have done some version of the "Virginia Reel" in elementary
school,(snip) 

a good reason not to do it!!!  They think they are being treated as little
kids-- something this age group is hypersensitive about. By all means
capitalize on the knowledge, and teach something with the same terms, but I
think teaching the Virginia Reel itself could backfire.  

Middle schoolers are an ideal age for ECD.  They learn faster and remember
better than adults, and they work together better, because they have that
gang mentality, and love the patterns and teamwork involved.  You should
have a great time!

Victoria

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Just a personal observation: I was at a dance the other day where there was
a good-sized group of middle- and high-school kids dancing with the adults.
One of the dances was "Trip to Paris," and the "trip" part was explained
as "just run around the room wherever you want to go, as long as you're back
in time for the next figure."  This worked out magnificently well, and the
kids quite clearly loved it.  Things would get a bit chaotic for a few bars,
and then fall back into perfect order.  I don't know how well this would work
out with an all-kid group, but it certainly worked great in this environment.

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At our school, the PE coaches teach a curriculum in dance during the cold
season. They normally have about 100 kids grades 6-8 in there. They teach
country line dances and square dancing. It normally takes them an hour to
teach and rehearse 1 dance.
    They use a public address system so the music can be heard by all, as
well as for directions. There is probably one at the school- ask in advance
for it to be set up for you, otherwise it may take 15 minutes to set up! The
students are  lined up about 10 kids in each row. The teachers get up on the
stage in the gym and do the dance first as the students sit on the ground in
their place. Then they break it down into parts with one teacher staying up
on the stage to teach and the rest mingling with the kids checking for
problems. They teach a part, then do it, over and over until almost everyone
has it, then they go on and add in another part. This incidentally is also
how the cheerleaders are taught at big camps during summer as well. Hope it
helps.
Leonora
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> Susan B. Booker writes:
> >
> > I have agreed to teach some English country dances to a large group of
> > middle schoolers as part of their humanities curriculum. The setting
will be
> > the gym; the kids, 6th, 7th and 8th graders - will number an incredible
> > 80-90! I will be able to use both CDs and cassettes, and teachers will
be
> > present (but are not experienced dancers).
> > Suggestions of material and methods of teaching are most welcome!

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>>who got to wear the turquoise-brocade-with-pearls, <<

Me!  I get to wear the turquoise brocade with pearls!  Dibs, dibs!

-- Marian

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For help contact Diane Jewitt at the EFDSS English Folk Dance & Song Society
HQ, Cecil Sharp House London NW1 7AY 0208 485 2206
or email dianajewitt-AT-
efdss.org see website www.efdss.org  There is plenty of
folk dancing help and expertise around if you only ask. What part of the
country are you? There are also folk dance, music & song events at Halsway
Manor, Somerset, UK, see www.halswaymanor.co.uk
I see you use the term graders.. if you are in USA contact www.cdss.org for
guidance.
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At our school, the PE coaches teach a curriculum in dance during the cold
season. They normally have about 100 kids grades 6-8 in there. They teach
country line dances and square dancing. It normally takes them an hour to
teach and rehearse 1 dance.
    They use a public address system so the music can be heard by all, as
well as for directions. There is probably one at the school- ask in advance
for it to be set up for you, otherwise it may take 15 minutes to set up! The
students are  lined up about 10 kids in each row. The teachers get up on the
stage in the gym and do the dance first as the students sit on the ground in
their place. Then they break it down into parts with one teacher staying up
on the stage to teach and the rest mingling with the kids checking for
problems. They teach a part, then do it, over and over until almost everyone
has it, then they go on and add in another part. This incidentally is also
how the cheerleaders are taught at big camps during summer as well. Hope it
helps.
Leonora
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> Susan B. Booker writes:
> >
> > I have agreed to teach some English country dances to a large group of
> > middle schoolers as part of their humanities curriculum. The setting
will be
> > the gym; the kids, 6th, 7th and 8th graders - will number an incredible
> > 80-90! I will be able to use both CDs and cassettes, and teachers will
be
> > present (but are not experienced dancers).
> > Suggestions of material and methods of teaching are most welcome!

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It appears I omitted several very pertinent facts! I'll be working with
these children, ages 11-14, next Friday, November 17. I am in Lexington,
Kentucky, USA, and am a CDSS member. I have about 20 years of dance
experience, a musical background, and worked with children as a children's
librarian for over 28 years. I've taught singing games and playparty games
to fourth graders, ages 9 or so, in the local elementary schools as part of
their "Kentucky Pioneer Days" units, and am presently serving as a library
volunteer in the said middle school, as I also did last year. So I am
well-acquainted with the ways of early adolescents...exuberant, full of
energy, easily distracted, very prone to peer pressure, and so on. But as
many of you have noted, they also can be absolutely great to work with, and
I am hoping that will be the case in this instance. I think being very well
organized and prepared is important in making things go well.

Since time is so unavoidably short, I'm probably best off relying on local
resources, which are pretty good. I borrowed _Chimes of Dunkirk_ (book and
cassette) from the public library today (I purchased it for the same library
a few years ago), and it is full of good ideas. I have access to a good
collection of dance music through my own stuff, my local dance group's
collection, and loans from friends. Plus, your ideas and suggestions have
been invaluable - thanks to all who responded. I do appreciate your
thoughtfulness and willingness to share, and you have some extremely good
and useful ideas. I will be in touch with the humanities teacher again on
Monday, and will encourage as many additional teachers as possible to be
present and to take part. Sound shouldn't be a problem, as the school is
well-equiped and I can make sure it's all in place ahead of time, since the
stage area won't be in use the previous hour.

My main task now is to select the best dances and to write myself notes on
how and what I really want these children to learn, then do a solo
walk-through. And  create a contingency plan, in case I need to adjust
something or another at the last minute. I think my main objectives are (in
no particular order) for the children to learn that these are very old, very
enjoyable dances (that's why they have lasted so long); that these and other
similar dances were done during colonial days in America and elsewhere in
the English-speaking world; that many of the historical figures that they
are studying enjoyed these dances and did them for fun (these two points
connect this class to their social studies curriculum); to learn a little
about dancing to the music (I probably won't use the term "phrasing",
although that's what it is, of course), and get them up and dancing quickly.
I am not going to stress too much elegance or boy/girl partnering, but will
let them know that traditionally, carriage mattered, and that male dancers
stood to the left of their partners, and encourage any boy/girl pairs to do
this. And most of all, I want them to have fun and say or think, "This is
fun! Can we do it again?"

Thanks again for assisting me so well and promptly with this - I do
appreciate it.

I'll let you all know what happens on Friday!

Susan



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re Dance Floor Capacity
The following information seems to work reasonably well, but I would
interested to hear other comments on the subject.
A single square set (4 couples - 8 people) would require a dance area of
approx 10ft by 10ft. 
A Longways set for 8 couples would require a space of approx 8ft wide by
16ft long.
Circles (can be flattened into an ellipse), as long as the dance area is 16
ft wide and no less than 20ft in length.
Ideally the dance area would be approx 20ft by 20ft as a minimum,
preferably with no pillars within this area. This could comfortably
accommodate:
16 couples in square set formation;
20 couples in Longways sets (approx 10 couples per set);
20 couples in 2 concentric circles; and 
24 couples in Sicilian (2 facing 2) formation.
Larger groups would obviously require a greater area. 
The floor should be wooden, ideally sprung, but this is an extremely rare
occurrence.  Seating around the outside of the dance floor is a benefit,
but must not encroach on the sizes given above.
For dancing all the above formats the square set is the constraining
factor. 
John Turner

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Lately, I have been looking at halls at which to hold a special ECD
event.  Aside from geographic, logistic and aesthetic considerations,
sufficient capacity to accommodate the dancers is, of course, crucial. 
Has anyone derived a formula to estimate the number of dancers a room can
comfortably accommodate given its length & width?

William DeRagon
Albuquerque, NM
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Susan -  as far a phrasing goes - you probably already know the old trick of
getting everyone to skip or move around for 8 bars (sorry measures)
anywhere, and then stand still and clap for 8 bars, then repeat with
skipping around for 8 bars, and so on through the track till they have got
the idea.  That will then make any subsequent teaching of movements to 8 bar
phrases much, much easier to put over.
Alan
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It appears I omitted several very pertinent facts! I'll be working with
these children, ages 11-14, next Friday, November 17. I am in Lexington,
Kentucky, USA, and am a CDSS member. I have about 20 years of dance
experience, a musical background, and worked with children as a children's
librarian for over 28 years. I've taught singing games and playparty games
to fourth graders, ages 9 or so, in the local elementary schools as part of
their "Kentucky Pioneer Days" units, and am presently serving as a library
volunteer in the said middle school, as I also did last year. So I am
well-acquainted with the ways of early adolescents...exuberant, full of
energy, easily distracted, very prone to peer pressure, and so on. But as
many of you have noted, they also can be absolutely great to work with, and
I am hoping that will be the case in this instance. I think being very well
organized and prepared is important in making things go well.

Since time is so unavoidably short, I'm probably best off relying on local
resources, which are pretty good. I borrowed _Chimes of Dunkirk_ (book and
cassette) from the public library today (I purchased it for the same library
a few years ago), and it is full of good ideas. I have access to a good
collection of dance music through my own stuff, my local dance group's
collection, and loans from friends. Plus, your ideas and suggestions have
been invaluable - thanks to all who responded. I do appreciate your
thoughtfulness and willingness to share, and you have some extremely good
and useful ideas. I will be in touch with the humanities teacher again on
Monday, and will encourage as many additional teachers as possible to be
present and to take part. Sound shouldn't be a problem, as the school is
well-equiped and I can make sure it's all in place ahead of time, since the
stage area won't be in use the previous hour.

My main task now is to select the best dances and to write myself notes on
how and what I really want these children to learn, then do a solo
walk-through. And  create a contingency plan, in case I need to adjust
something or another at the last minute. I think my main objectives are (in
no particular order) for the children to learn that these are very old, very
enjoyable dances (that's why they have lasted so long); that these and other
similar dances were done during colonial days in America and elsewhere in
the English-speaking world; that many of the historical figures that they
are studying enjoyed these dances and did them for fun (these two points
connect this class to their social studies curriculum); to learn a little
about dancing to the music (I probably won't use the term "phrasing",
although that's what it is, of course), and get them up and dancing quickly.
I am not going to stress too much elegance or boy/girl partnering, but will
let them know that traditionally, carriage mattered, and that male dancers
stood to the left of their partners, and encourage any boy/girl pairs to do
this. And most of all, I want them to have fun and say or think, "This is
fun! Can we do it again?"

Thanks again for assisting me so well and promptly with this - I do
appreciate it.

I'll let you all know what happens on Friday!

Susan





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Susan,
After being asked to teach a Brownie group English Folk Dance for their
badge, and then being asked to take the folk dancing at a Brownie/Guide
"Thinking Day" I ended up taking 4 dance sessions (on the same day) for
groups of about 80, 8 to 12 year old (I think) girls.

I found it best to start with "Cumberland Square Eight" (hated by
established dancers over here!) but found it a good start as everything
is in 8 bar phrases and everyone is back home after each 8 bar phrase -
and it also has lively music for slipping and dancing. As this was a
single sex group I got over the male/female problem in the basket (girls
have arms on mens shoulders) by doing it the "Irish" way of everyone
having left arm over/right arm under. Also hold both hands for the
gallop instead of ballroom hold.

Moving on from there I chose simple 3 couple longways set dances. This
gets the idea of changing posititions and doing the dance again from a
different place. It also means that if one person/couple goes wrong, or
doesn't understand the progession, it only messes up their set of 6
people, and not the whole (or half or a third) of the room! It is easier
to sort out the problems of a small group rather than the whole room.

And then, finally, I try the introduction of the longways set - and this
is when the problems begin!Even with the simplest of dances some people
cling to their original neighbours, even jumping back along the set to
be with them after they have progressed correctly.  This is when you
have to start explaining the progression in as many ways as you can
think of, until they suddenly see the light!

Good luck!
Trev.



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A dance that is extremely well for all kinds of groups, family dances, one
thing stands, newcomer adults, that I haven't seen an any of the standard
collections. I believe it would be appropriate for your group.

The Margate Hoy

Triplet -- three couples in line, proper

A 1. Man No. 1 leads men around the women's line
A 2: Woman No. 1 leads women around the men's line
B 1: Couple No. 1 goes down the center, turn alone, and returns
B 2: couple No. 1 separates, cast down to the bottom,  other move up and all
swing (two hand turn)

I usually mention, with tongue clearly in cheek, that is a very serious
English dance and that skipping and other sorts of fooling around are
strictly forbidden.  Four couples in a line will work, too, to accommodate
extra dancers. A dance that always works.

R.

Ridge Kennedy
Washington, NJ (No Exit)
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-- Jon Berger <jberger-AT-
monitor.net> wrote:
> Just a personal observation: I was at a dance the other day
> where there was a good-sized group of middle- and high-school 
> kids dancing with the adults. One of the dances was "Trip to 
> Paris," and the "trip" part was explained as "just run around 
> the room wherever you want to go, as long as you're back in 
> time for the next figure."  This worked out magnificently
well, 
> and the kids quite clearly loved it.  Things would get a bit 
> chaotic for a few bars, and then fall back into perfect order.

> I don't know how well this would work out with an all-kid 
> group, but it certainly worked great in this environment.
> 
It reminds me of the group that I first started dancing with
about 35 years ago. It was mostly high school students and they
danced together every week and basically the same dances as we
were limited to what was available from CDSS on recordings at
that time. Jack used to tell them to "dance with abandon,"
something that high school students are bound to do *without*
being told. 

Of course doing "Trip to Paris" with an adult group at Pinewoods
or Hudson Guild Farm often resulted in people skipping through
other sets to get as much distance out of the music as they
could. It is *not* "run(ning) around the room wherever you want
to go." It is *dancing*, and generally taught as a skipping
step.

Andy

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Hi Ridge:

I am curious as the the source of the dance title.

Are you aware that a "hoy" is a term used for the old Thames barges.
And Margate, a stomping ground in my youth, is not really near the
Thames perse, although it is on the north Kent coast, south of the
estuary and could conceivably had Thames barges sail by!

Cheers, John
Bedford, Nova Scotia

> A dance that is extremely well for all kinds of groups, family dances, one
> thing stands, newcomer adults, that I haven't seen an any of the standard
> collections. I believe it would be appropriate for your group.
>
> The Margate Hoy

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Dear John,

I collected from Karen Missavage (sp?) a caller in Michigan, who cited it
with a date of 1793 or thereabouts.  I had looked up "hoy" and found it
defined as a "ferry" and I believe I've seen the word used to describe
ships' supply boats (aka lighters) in 19th century nautical fiction, though
I can't cite chapter and verse on that.

Definitely seems to refer to a boat, I believe, as your comment would
further confirm.

R.

Ridge Kennedy
Washington, NJ (No Exit)
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> Hi Ridge:
>
> I am curious as the the source of the dance title.
>
> Are you aware that a "hoy" is a term used for the old Thames barges.
> And Margate, a stomping ground in my youth, is not really near the
> Thames perse, although it is on the north Kent coast, south of the
> estuary and could conceivably had Thames barges sail by!
>
> Cheers, John
> Bedford, Nova Scotia
>
> > A dance that is extremely well for all kinds of groups, family dances,
one
> > thing stands, newcomer adults, that I haven't seen an any of the
standard
> > collections. I believe it would be appropriate for your group.
> >
> > The Margate Hoy
>
>

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Ridge & John,

The Margate Hoy comes from Thompson 1783.  It [and A Trip to Margate, A
Trip to Margate by the Sea, Margate Pier, Margate Wash, The Margate Rout,
etc.] can be found in Kentish Hops, available from sales-AT-
cdss.org

Many of these dances work just fine in Jane Austen programs...

Cheers,
Sharon Green


At 04:23 PM 11/12/00 -0500, Ridge Kennedy wrote:

>I collected from Karen Missavage (sp?) a caller in Michigan, who cited it
>with a date of 1793 or thereabouts.  I had looked up "hoy" and found it
>defined as a "ferry" and I believe I've seen the word used to describe
>ships' supply boats (aka lighters) in 19th century nautical fiction, though
>I can't cite chapter and verse on that.
>
>Definitely seems to refer to a boat, I believe, as your comment would
>further confirm.
>
>R.
>
>Ridge Kennedy
>Washington, NJ (No Exit)
>When you stumble, make it part of the dance.
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>Subject: Re: Dancing with Middle Schoolers: Still More Info.
>
>
>> Hi Ridge:
>>
>> I am curious as the the source of the dance title.
>>
>> Are you aware that a "hoy" is a term used for the old Thames barges.
>> And Margate, a stomping ground in my youth, is not really near the
>> Thames perse, although it is on the north Kent coast, south of the
>> estuary and could conceivably had Thames barges sail by!
>>
>> Cheers, John
>> Bedford, Nova Scotia
>>
>> > A dance that is extremely well for all kinds of groups, family dances,
>one
>> > thing stands, newcomer adults, that I haven't seen an any of the
>standard
>> > collections. I believe it would be appropriate for your group.
>> >
>> > The Margate Hoy
>>
>>
>

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In a message dated 11/12/00 3:21:46 PM Central Standard Time, 
srkennedy-AT-
email.msn.com writes:

<< 
 I collected from Karen Missavage (sp?) a caller in Michigan, who cited it
 with a date of 1793 or thereabouts.  I had looked up "hoy" and found it
 defined as a "ferry" and I believe I've seen the word used to describe
 ships' supply boats (aka lighters) in 19th century nautical fiction, though
 I can't cite chapter and verse on that. >>

There's an essay by Charles Lamb (1775-1834) entitled "The Old Margate Hoy".  
The complete text can be found at the following website:
http://www.angelfire.com/nv/mf/elia2/hoy.htm

Carol Martinez
White Plains, NY
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Sounds good to me! mind the pillars!

Alan
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re Dance Floor Capacity
The following information seems to work reasonably well, but I would
interested to hear other comments on the subject.
A single square set (4 couples - 8 people) would require a dance area of
approx 10ft by 10ft.
A Longways set for 8 couples would require a space of approx 8ft wide by
16ft long.
Circles (can be flattened into an ellipse), as long as the dance area is 16
ft wide and no less than 20ft in length.
Ideally the dance area would be approx 20ft by 20ft as a minimum,
preferably with no pillars within this area. This could comfortably
accommodate:
16 couples in square set formation;
20 couples in Longways sets (approx 10 couples per set);
20 couples in 2 concentric circles; and
24 couples in Sicilian (2 facing 2) formation.
Larger groups would obviously require a greater area.
The floor should be wooden, ideally sprung, but this is an extremely rare
occurrence.  Seating around the outside of the dance floor is a benefit,
but must not encroach on the sizes given above.
For dancing all the above formats the square set is the constraining
factor.
John Turner

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Lately, I have been looking at halls at which to hold a special ECD
event.  Aside from geographic, logistic and aesthetic considerations,
sufficient capacity to accommodate the dancers is, of course, crucial.
Has anyone derived a formula to estimate the number of dancers a room can
comfortably accommodate given its length & width?

William DeRagon
Albuquerque, NM
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Many of you may be interested in dancing, music & singing holidays as
organised by "Capers" Activity holidays-  all over UK, see their website for
more information www.folkcamp.clara.net or Halsway Manor Society in
Somerset, UK for info see www.halswaymanor.co.uk
Regards Alan Corkett
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Date: 12 November 2000 00:04
Subject: ECD Digest V1 #845


re Dance Floor Capacity
The following information seems to work reasonably well, but I would
interested to hear other comments on the subject.
A single square set (4 couples - 8 people) would require a dance area of
approx 10ft by 10ft.
A Longways set for 8 couples would require a space of approx 8ft wide by
16ft long.
Circles (can be flattened into an ellipse), as long as the dance area is 16
ft wide and no less than 20ft in length.
Ideally the dance area would be approx 20ft by 20ft as a minimum,
preferably with no pillars within this area. This could comfortably
accommodate:
16 couples in square set formation;
20 couples in Longways sets (approx 10 couples per set);
20 couples in 2 concentric circles; and
24 couples in Sicilian (2 facing 2) formation.
Larger groups would obviously require a greater area.
The floor should be wooden, ideally sprung, but this is an extremely rare
occurrence.  Seating around the outside of the dance floor is a benefit,
but must not encroach on the sizes given above.
For dancing all the above formats the square set is the constraining
factor.
John Turner

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>Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 06:27:06 -0700
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Lately, I have been looking at halls at which to hold a special ECD
event.  Aside from geographic, logistic and aesthetic considerations,
sufficient capacity to accommodate the dancers is, of course, crucial.
Has anyone derived a formula to estimate the number of dancers a room can
comfortably accommodate given its length & width?

William DeRagon
Albuquerque, NM
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--- Trevor Monson <tmonsont-AT-
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> I found it best to start with "Cumberland Square Eight" (hated by
> established dancers over here!)


I don't know where your "over here" is, but I happen to adore
"Cumberland Square Eight", and would love to see it reappearing in
the contra dance repertoire.

Barbara

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As someone who has been on and off the folk dance scene in England, UK for
more years than I car to remember, I can understand why some love & some
hate CS8.
Firstly it is often dismissed as an easy dance for children. But there are
so many different movements in it that it takes 4min 20 sec to dance. To
teach to adult beginners can take a long time, but you can have a lot of
fun. Which may be the important ingredient missing in many people's dancing.
The enjoyment bit comes from not leaping about but concentrating on getting
it correct, head in the clouds, not even looking perhaps at anybody else.
We've all seen it. I think the younger dancers possibly enjoy their dancing
more because they love to move and look and have fun...
So, do you enjoy Cumberland Square Eight?  What do you other think or feel?
Alan  .....over here! not over there!
Nether Stowey. Somerset, UK.
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--- Trevor Monson <tmonsont-AT-
yahoo.com> wrote:

> I found it best to start with "Cumberland Square Eight" (hated by
> established dancers over here!)


I don't know where your "over here" is, but I happen to adore
"Cumberland Square Eight", and would love to see it reappearing in
the contra dance repertoire.

Barbara



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Cumbersome Square?

I'll sit it out, thanks.

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Susan -

If you're going to be at the Berea Christmas Country Dance School again, we'd be happy to share with you our American Folk Dance program which we hold in various schools in Hawai'i to show American history (from Colonial times to the present) through dance (which means 125-150 students for 5-8 sessions), costumes, and social etiquette.  We usually do fifth grade since that is when American history is studied (all over the US), but we have done all grade levels.  Next week we begin four sessions for a third grade at one of the elementary schools..

Aloha,
Yona & Al Keali'i Chock

PS:  There's also a conference of folk dance teachers known as Pourparler, which usually meets in September or October.  We understand that next year's may be co-sponsored by CDSS.

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<DIV><FONT size=2>Susan -</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>If you're going to be at the Berea Christmas Country Dance 
School again, we'd be happy to share with you our American Folk Dance program 
which we hold in various schools in Hawai'i to show American history (from 
Colonial times to the present) through dance (which means 125-150 students for 
5-8 sessions), costumes, and social etiquette.&nbsp; We usually do fifth grade 
since that is when American history is studied (all over the US), but we have 
done all grade levels.&nbsp; Next week we&nbsp;begin four sessions&nbsp;for a 
third grade at one of the elementary schools..</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>PS:&nbsp; There's also a&nbsp;conference of folk dance 
teachers known as Pourparler, which usually meets in September or October.&nbsp; 
We understand that next year's may be co-sponsored by 
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>> A dance that is extremely well for all kinds of groups, family 
>>dances, one thing stands, newcomer adults, that I haven't seen 
>>an any of the standard collections. I believe it would be 
>>appropriate for your group.
>>
>> The Margate Hoy

> I am curious as the the source of the dance title.
>
> Are you aware that a "hoy" is a term used for the old Thames barges.
> And Margate, a stomping ground in my youth, is not really near the
> Thames perse, although it is on the north Kent coast, south of the
> estuary and could conceivably had Thames barges sail by!
>
> Cheers, John
> Bedford, Nova Scotia

I always *wondered* why sailors said, "a hoy!"
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>--- Trevor Monson <tmonsont-AT-
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> 
>> I found it best to start with "Cumberland Square Eight" (hated by
>> established dancers over here!)
>
Barbara Ruth wrote:  

>I don't know where your "over here" is, but I happen to adore
>"Cumberland Square Eight", and would love to see it reappearing in
>the contra dance repertoire.

Can anyone aim me at a souce for "Cumberland Square Eight"?

Roger Diggle

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Roger Diggle wrote:

>
> Can anyone aim me at a souce for "Cumberland Square Eight"?
>
> Roger Diggle

It's in the Community Dance Manuals;  the words can be found at

http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~thomas.green/BarnDances/Squares.html#Cumberland
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On Tue, 14 Nov 2000, Roger Diggle wrote:

> Can anyone aim me at a souce for "Cumberland Square Eight"?

Well, not _quite_ anyone...  doubt that George Dubeyah could...


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Volume 4 of the Boston Centre's English Country Dance collection is "Modern
Treasures" and is now shipping.  

Bare Necessities have done a wonderful job on these selections: Ashford
Anniversary, All Saints' Day, A New Beginning, Fenterlarick, Shandy Hall, O
Susato, Helena, Astoria Lass, In the Bleak Midwinter, Pat's Tradition,
Another Nancy's Fancy, Winter Solstice, Michael and All Angels, and The
Homecoming

The recording is available from Gene Murrow (the producer), the musicians,
CDSS and Cotswold Music Society (and other dealers, shortly). 

The Collection so Far
Vol 1: Favorites of the Boston Centre
Vol 2: More Favorites of the Boston Centre
Vol 3: Simple Pleasures
Vol 4: Modern Treasures



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Just received from M.G. Mudrey, Jr. [mgmudrey-AT-
facstaff.wisc.edu]:

"Dan, could you post the following for me (I am at the office and can access
my home account but cannot send)

This past weekend in Fairfield, Iowa, we enjoyed the Bare Necessities
workshop. One high light was delivery of  Volume 4 .. Modern Treasurers ..
at dinner!
We love it!  This is the best of the four and includes music for many modern
dances for which good recorded music is rare.

Run...fax...email to your nearest supplier!  I have no hesitation in
recommending Modern Treasures!

Mike"

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--- "Pearl, Dan" <Dan_Pearl-AT-
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> Volume 4 of the Boston Centre's English Country Dance collection is
> "Modern
> Treasures" and is now shipping.  

Oh sure (pout, pout).  You couldn't have had it out two days ago, in
time for it to be on sale at NOMAD.

Barbara

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nOn Tue, 14 Nov 2000, Pearl, Dan wrote in part:

> Volume 4 of the Boston Centre's English Country Dance collection is "Modern
> Treasures" and is now shipping.  
> 
> The recording is available from Gene Murrow (the producer), the musicians,
> CDSS and Cotswold Music Society (and other dealers, shortly). 

Will there be any available for sale at the Brattleboro Ball on Nov. 18,
this coming Saturday?
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> Can anyone aim me at a souce for "Cumberland Square Eight"?
> 
I can't tell you which one, but it's in one of the Community
Dance Manuals. 

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NEW CD by The Millennium Players, a group of musicians brought together by
Director - Dave Brown to make music and raise funds for Halsway Manor
Society in Somerset, UK. They all have played in other bands, you may well
recognise them!

The special tracks of music which will match all tastes range from English,
Scottish, Irish & Welsh material; cover Social dance ( folk Dancing or
English Country dancing depending on your terminology and which language you
speak,) &
Playford style (Newcastle, Parson's Farewell)
Ritual Dancing (ie morris & sword etc) listening music,
and a track from the bar at Halsway with a singsong of popular folk ballads.

Available at £10 plus post and packing, myself or Cotswold Music, Dave Brown
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Alternatively see www.halswaymanor.co.uk where you will find all the names
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They are selling well, numbers are limited, so first come first served.


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CDM 7, no. 9.

Andrew Peterson wrote:

> > Can anyone aim me at a souce for "Cumberland Square Eight"?
> >
> I can't tell you which one, but it's in one of the Community
> Dance Manuals.
>
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I met with the humanities teacher and one of the P.E. teachers up at the
nearby middle school today, and there are now some much-needed and welcome
change of plans. Both the date and the parameters of the dance workshop have
been changed, much for the better. As of now, I will be meeting with about
five different classes of about 15-45 children each, for about an hour each
time, on December 1. I welcome all these changes, since now I'll have more
time to complete planning the event and will certainly have much more leeway
with the smaller numbers of participants expected. Unfortunately, this will
fall after the eighth graders' upcoming "Colonial Day", but it can still be
publicized and tied-in - and one of the teachers said she could offer extra
credit if the kids wore their colonial costumes (or an approximation
thereof).

And the principal and several other teachers were made aware of the plans,
and seemed both interested and supportive, too - I urged the teachers to
drop in during their planning periods and said I'd teach them, too (plus
they can of course help with crowd control).

I am enormously relieved at these changes. This now appears to be a much
more do-able event. I again want to thank all who have written to me
privately or to the list about this program - your input means much, and is
so helpful. I have written a lesson plan, but will now be able to alter it
to fit the new and much more workable circumstances, and your very helpful
suggestions and accounts of similar experiences will help me enormously in
finding appropriate materials and in avoiding pitfalls. Thanks again -
you're all great friends to have "on my side"!

Susan Booker


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The final program for the Elm City Ball is listed below.  More
information and application form are available on
http://pantheon.yale.edu/~bfr4/NH.English.html

Ashford Anniversary
Britain's Success
Corelli's Maggot
Female Sayler
Hambleton's Round O
Jacob Hall's Jig
Gigue for Genny
Hit & Miss
In the Bleak Midwinter
Maid Peeped Out at the Window
Mr. Beveridge's Maggot
Never Love Thee More
News From Tripoly
New Year's Day in the Morning
Orly Triumphant
Room for Ramblers
The Pursuit
St. Margaret's Hill
Sun Assembly
Wa' Is Me, What Mun I Do?


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What's the instrumentation?  The website doesn't say, and the only thing the
picture shows the musicians holding is a pint of beer.

Pat

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NEW CD by The Millennium Players, a group of musicians brought together by
Director - Dave Brown to make music and raise funds for Halsway Manor
Society in Somerset, UK. They all have played in other bands, you may well
recognise them!

The special tracks of music which will match all tastes range from English,
Scottish, Irish & Welsh material; cover Social dance ( folk Dancing or
English Country dancing depending on your terminology and which language you
speak,) &
Playford style (Newcastle, Parson's Farewell)
Ritual Dancing (ie morris & sword etc) listening music,
and a track from the bar at Halsway with a singsong of popular folk ballads.

Available at £10 plus post and packing, myself or Cotswold Music, Dave Brown
& Halsway Shop.

Alternatively see www.halswaymanor.co.uk where you will find all the names
of the musicians and pictures of them and an order form and everything you
could possibly need!

They are selling well, numbers are limited, so first come first served.



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If you click on the picture of the musicians at 
http://www.newrenaissance.ibs.ee/halsway_manor/
you should get a larger picture with people's names and their instruments.
(pianos and keyboards, fiddles, recorder, accordions, guitar, and a few others)

Sue


Pat asked:
> What's the instrumentation?  The website doesn't say, and the only thing the
> picture shows the musicians holding is a pint of beer.
> 
> Pat
> 
>Re:
> NEW CD by The Millennium Players, ...
> 

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--- Patricia Ruggiero <ruggierop-AT-
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> What's the instrumentation?  The website doesn't say, and the
> only thing the picture shows the musicians holding is a pint
of 
> beer.
> 
> Pat
> 
Where do you think the Jamaicans got the idea for playing steel
drums. Why most certainly form watching English beer can
players.

Andy

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Barbara Ruth <barbararuth-AT-
rocketmail.com> wrote:

> I don't know where your "over here" is, but I happen to adore
> "Cumberland Square Eight", and would love to see it reappearing in
> the contra dance repertoire.

I am confused - did you really mean contra repertoire or should that 
have been English repertoire?

Bob


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Andrew Peterson <lyrlsbro-AT-
yahoo.com> wrote:

>Where do you think the Jamaicans got the idea for playing steel
>drums. Why most certainly form watching English beer can
>players.

If I remember correctly we were provided with a pin of real ale on the
bar at Halsway Manor - not a beer can in site.  But then I may not
remember correctly - because of the pin of real ale on the bar...

Not all 15 musicians appear on all tracks.  The arrangement for each
track was done by individual musicians so you will find "full
orchestra" - violins, accordians, woodwind, bass, piano, guitar on some
tracks and smaller arrangement using sub-sets of these on other tracks.

Regards
Howard Mitchell (bass and concertina, not simultaneously, somewhere at
the back of the photo)
http://www.stradivarious.co.uk


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Bob Archer writes:
> 
> Barbara Ruth <barbararuth-AT-
rocketmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > I don't know where your "over here" is, but I happen to adore
> > "Cumberland Square Eight", and would love to see it reappearing in
> > the contra dance repertoire.
> 
> I am confused - did you really mean contra repertoire or should that 
> have been English repertoire?

   I can't speak for her, but our ECD group does CS8 fairly often.  We've
also done it a time or two at our local contra dance as well.  It seemed
to go over pretty well there.

Jonathan

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Good day Dan
it has been a while, and I was wondering if you still remember my order for
vol 4 of the BCcollection (plus a few assorted copies of vols 1,2 and 3).
If you forgot it, no problem. It means that I can rewrite the order as follows:
12 copies of vol 4,
2 copy of vol 3,
3 copies of vol 2 and
2 copy of vol 1
(and if you did not forget, it means that the CDs will be showing up at my
doorsteps very, very soon :-))).
Giovanni De Amici


At 11:10 AM 11/14/00 -0500, you wrote:
>Volume 4 of the Boston Centre's English Country Dance collection is "Modern
>Treasures" and is now shipping.  
>
>Bare Necessities have done a wonderful job on these selections: Ashford
>Anniversary, All Saints' Day, A New Beginning, Fenterlarick, Shandy Hall, O
>Susato, Helena, Astoria Lass, In the Bleak Midwinter, Pat's Tradition,
>Another Nancy's Fancy, Winter Solstice, Michael and All Angels, and The
>Homecoming
>
>The recording is available from Gene Murrow (the producer), the musicians,
>CDSS and Cotswold Music Society (and other dealers, shortly). 
>
>The Collection so Far
>Vol 1: Favorites of the Boston Centre
>Vol 2: More Favorites of the Boston Centre
>Vol 3: Simple Pleasures
>Vol 4: Modern Treasures
>
>
>
>Dan Pearl -- Stratus Computer Inc.
>Dan_Pearl-AT-
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>
Giovanni De Amici

check out SBECD web page at www.geocities.com/sbecd

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--- South Bay English Country Dance <sbecd-AT-
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>  that I can rewrite the order
> as follows:
> 12 copies of vol 4,
> 2 copy of vol 3,
> 3 copies of vol 2 and
> 2 copy of vol 1

and a Partridge in a Pear Tree....

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Apologies to Dan and the rest of the crowd.
A msg of mine written to and for him got posted by mistake to the mailing list.
Anyone who is not Dan Pearl can/should safely hit the 'delete' button and
ignore it, if you have not yet done so. 
Unless of course you have nothing better to do than to start a series of
snide and useless remarks (which I promise to ignore). :-))))
Happy dancing

Giovanni De Amici

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You should also check out <http://www.pryanksters.org/otherinfo.html>
for some links.


Norman

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>
>
> Could someone direct me to where I might find a how to do
> this on writting
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The Thanksgiving Dance party of Country Dancers of
Westchester is Friday, November 24, at the Church in
the Highlands on Bryant Ave., White Plains, NY.
Festivities begin at 8pm.

Paul Ross is the caller for the party, supported by
the musicians, John Austin on viola & violin; Leah
Barkan at the piano; Norma Castle on flute; and the
clarinetist, Sue Polansky.

Delectable refreshments, as always, at the break.
Visitors are welcome to bring along some tasty
Turkey-Day leftover treats to add to the comestibles.

Admission is $12.00. Members of CDW pay $10.00.

For out-of-towners visiting New York, White Plains is
a 30-minute rail trip on Metro North from Grand
Central Terminal. Here's a link to the railroad's
Hudson schedule.


http://www.mta.nyc.ny.us/mnr/html/planning/schedules/hudsched.htm

Directions for automobile travel to the Church in the
Highlands as well as other CDW information are
available at our website. Here's the url.

	http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/2225/

Thursday night workshop dances continue in the weeks
following on November 30 and December 7.  Fried deMetz
Herman is caller for both workshops.

Members of the house band that plays for workshop
nights are Leah Barkan, George Davis, Sue Polansky,
and Stewart Dean with occasional guest musicians.

Holiday festivities continue in December when Barbara
Finney comes to White Plains for the annual Christmas
party. Musicians for that event are Lise Brown, Mary
Lea, and Roberta Sutter.

For more information, call Leah at 914/693-5577.

Visitors to the area at Thanksgiving time can also
attend the annual Thanksgiving extravaganza at Round
Hill Community Center in Greenwich, CT, on Saturday,
November 25, featuring the caller, Kathryn Wedderburn,
with Squeezeology [Jody Kruskal -- concertina,
percussion; Paul Friedman -- fiddle; Bob Jones --
bass, guitar; Marnen Laibow-Koser -- piano, viola]!

     http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/9832/

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(Here's a note I just wrote to a friend of Earl Gaddis, asking whether she
could pre-register for our Yuletide Cotillion on Sunday, December 3rd.)

Come on along!  It's likely to be a crush, but we haven't made it a
preregistration event yet, and it's always a blast.  Tickets are $12 for
CDNY members, $15 for non-members, but CDSS members more than 50 miles from
home get in at our members' price.  The dance runs from 3-6pm, with a very
New York refreshments break, and is located at the Refectory [dining hall]
of General Seminary, 175 Ninth Avenue [between W.20th & W.21st Streets],
Manhattan.  It's the final event of Bare Necessities' 3-states-in-3-days
mini-tour, with many English Country dancers following them from event to
event, so it's a most convivial afternoon.  I think you'll have fun!

(I hope lots of you folks on the list will be able to join me, Helene
Cornelius our caller, Marty Fager our CDNY president newly-returned from
across the pond, and a whole host of merrymakers from here, there, and
everywhere.  Do come!)

Hugs,
Sharon Green
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Hi Sharon
Hope you and everyone else will join us at Halsway Manor for our 12th Night
Revels 6th January 2001! King of Misrule=Brian Heaton, music led by Alan
Corkett
contact me for details etc.
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Date: 21 November 2000 15:03
Subject: Yuletide Cotillion, 12/3/00


(Here's a note I just wrote to a friend of Earl Gaddis, asking whether she
could pre-register for our Yuletide Cotillion on Sunday, December 3rd.)

Come on along!  It's likely to be a crush, but we haven't made it a
preregistration event yet, and it's always a blast.  Tickets are $12 for
CDNY members, $15 for non-members, but CDSS members more than 50 miles from
home get in at our members' price.  The dance runs from 3-6pm, with a very
New York refreshments break, and is located at the Refectory [dining hall]
of General Seminary, 175 Ninth Avenue [between W.20th & W.21st Streets],
Manhattan.  It's the final event of Bare Necessities' 3-states-in-3-days
mini-tour, with many English Country dancers following them from event to
event, so it's a most convivial afternoon.  I think you'll have fun!

(I hope lots of you folks on the list will be able to join me, Helene
Cornelius our caller, Marty Fager our CDNY president newly-returned from
across the pond, and a whole host of merrymakers from here, there, and
everywhere.  Do come!)

Hugs,
Sharon Green


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Alan, I've _been_ to Halsway Manor.  If we all showed up, you'd set new
records in the crush category [Most Dancers Jammed into a Single Hall,
Elbows In]--you'd certainly outdo the Cotillion!
Have a wonderful Twelfth Night--it's a grand time for a dance!
Sharon

At 04:39 PM 11/21/00 +0000, Alan Corkett wrote:
>Hi Sharon
>Hope you and everyone else will join us at Halsway Manor for our 12th Night
>Revels 6th January 2001! King of Misrule=Brian Heaton, music led by Alan
>Corkett
>contact me for details etc.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Sharon Green <mls-AT-
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>To: ECD-AT-
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PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>;
>ECD-AT-
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panix.com>
>Date: 21 November 2000 15:03
>Subject: Yuletide Cotillion, 12/3/00
>
>
>(Here's a note I just wrote to a friend of Earl Gaddis, asking whether she
>could pre-register for our Yuletide Cotillion on Sunday, December 3rd.)
>
>Come on along!  It's likely to be a crush, but we haven't made it a
>preregistration event yet, and it's always a blast.  Tickets are $12 for
>CDNY members, $15 for non-members, but CDSS members more than 50 miles from
>home get in at our members' price.  The dance runs from 3-6pm, with a very
>New York refreshments break, and is located at the Refectory [dining hall]
>of General Seminary, 175 Ninth Avenue [between W.20th & W.21st Streets],
>Manhattan.  It's the final event of Bare Necessities' 3-states-in-3-days
>mini-tour, with many English Country dancers following them from event to
>event, so it's a most convivial afternoon.  I think you'll have fun!
>
>(I hope lots of you folks on the list will be able to join me, Helene
>Cornelius our caller, Marty Fager our CDNY president newly-returned from
>across the pond, and a whole host of merrymakers from here, there, and
>everywhere.  Do come!)
>
>Hugs,
>Sharon Green
>
>

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--- Sharon Green <mls-AT-
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> Come on along!  

I'd love to be there but will, instead, be in the midst of the
second day of tech week or what we in the Portland Revels refer
to as "The Week from Hell". Our opening night is December 8. For
those of you who do not know about Revels, go to
<www.revels.org> to learn about it.

Last night at rehearsal we found out that some of the New York
Revels cast will be on Prairie Home Companion on December 9. If
you don't have a PBS station near you, you can listen via the
internet on WAMC in Albany NY <http://www.wamc.org/> (where PHC
is followed by Hudson River Sampler, a folk music program) or
Oregon Public Radio <http://www.opb.org/>.

Portland Revels is doing a Victorian show this year as is NY
Revels. The Revels family is being joined by Chicago this year
who are doing their first full production.

Andy

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Hello all, we’re new to this list ? Brooke Friendly and Chris Sackett of
Ashland Oregon (this is Brooke writing).

I read with interest the ‘gender free’ discussion in August. Chris and I teach
a weekly class in English and Scottish dance. Our teaching language is global
and geography-based - we use language that refers to people’s positions within
the dance. We actually don’t like the term ‘gender free’; everyone has and gets
to keep their gender and whatever it means to them.

Teaching with global terminology supports the way we dance.  We don’t worry
about who is on what side or dancing with whom.  When you come to our dances
you will find men dancing with men, women dancing with women and women dancing
with men on either side of the dance. People generally come to the set as
individuals and someone else will come stand opposite them. Everyone who wants
to dance can and everyone in the room is a potential dance partner.

Several people suggested that this terminology and/or way of dancing evolved
within the gay community. This is not precisely true. While a prime founder of
the movement, Carl Wittman, was gay the evolution, in Oregon at least, was more
about inclusiveness and breaking down barriers. Sharon Green’s comment that the
‘gender-free’ movement (or using global terminology) grew out of the impulse to
include people in the dance so that no one had to wait on the sidelines… is
right on. The basic mottos are ‘all are welcome’ and  ‘no wallflowers’.

There were a few comments about terminology.

Corners versus diagonals ? we use the term diagonals in our group primarily
because we also teach Scottish dance which has many corner related figures in
which corners has a different meaning (when the ones are in second place in a
set of six their first corner is across the dance to their right and second
corner across dance to left). There are a number of English dances with a
similar use of the term corners. It is a question of not overloading the term
with multiple meanings. Certainly either works, however, and if I am calling an
English dance outside my own group and the group knows and likes the term
corner for what we call diagonal, I hope I would be able to adapt.

Alan Winston mentioned Left file and Right file ? we use these terms but they
are actually the opposite of what he remembered. The files are determined from
the dancer’s perspective rather than the caller’s. In a longways as you are
facing your partner the Left file dancers have their left shoulder toward the
top and Right file dancers have right shoulders toward the top. Facing up, the
Left file dancers are on the left of their partners… (hopefully this will
answer Eric Arnold’s concern about the terminology not making sense). Whenever
possible, however, we use more global directions (e.g. circle with couple on
the right rather than first left down, first right up…).

I’ve got more terminology and conventions our group uses if anyone is
interested.

Happy dancing.

Brooke


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Hi
Seven steps - can anyone help with the instructions for this children's
dance where you seem to get to lie on the floor in stages, interspersed with
circling left!
Thanks in anticipation.
Alan Corkett
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Alan, I've _been_ to Halsway Manor.  If we all showed up, you'd set new
records in the crush category [Most Dancers Jammed into a Single Hall,
Elbows In]--you'd certainly outdo the Cotillion!
Have a wonderful Twelfth Night--it's a grand time for a dance!
Sharon

At 04:39 PM 11/21/00 +0000, Alan Corkett wrote:
>Hi Sharon
>Hope you and everyone else will join us at Halsway Manor for our 12th Night
>Revels 6th January 2001! King of Misrule=Brian Heaton, music led by Alan
>Corkett
>contact me for details etc.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Sharon Green <mls-AT-
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>To: ECD-AT-
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>ECD-AT-
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>Subject: Yuletide Cotillion, 12/3/00
>
>
>(Here's a note I just wrote to a friend of Earl Gaddis, asking whether she
>could pre-register for our Yuletide Cotillion on Sunday, December 3rd.)
>
>Come on along!  It's likely to be a crush, but we haven't made it a
>preregistration event yet, and it's always a blast.  Tickets are $12 for
>CDNY members, $15 for non-members, but CDSS members more than 50 miles from
>home get in at our members' price.  The dance runs from 3-6pm, with a very
>New York refreshments break, and is located at the Refectory [dining hall]
>of General Seminary, 175 Ninth Avenue [between W.20th & W.21st Streets],
>Manhattan.  It's the final event of Bare Necessities' 3-states-in-3-days
>mini-tour, with many English Country dancers following them from event to
>event, so it's a most convivial afternoon.  I think you'll have fun!
>
>(I hope lots of you folks on the list will be able to join me, Helene
>Cornelius our caller, Marty Fager our CDNY president newly-returned from
>across the pond, and a whole host of merrymakers from here, there, and
>everywhere.  Do come!)
>
>Hugs,
>Sharon Green
>
>



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Alan, the dance is Seven Jumps, published in Bob Dalsemer's Folk Dance Fun
for Schools & Families.  It's apparently a Danish dance that exists in many
variants.  In the A music everyone circles left & right.  In the B music
everyone claps & stamps [3 claps, 3 stamps, done 4 times] or jogs in place.
 Then the caller tells everyone to perform a particular action ["Shake your
right leg" or "Get down on your right knee."  You do the dance six more
times, each time adding another action.  The grand finale generally has
everyone rolling on the floor.

As far as I can tell, there is no one right way to do the dance.  You might
as well have fun!

Cheers,
Sharon

Here's a description of a variant of the dance which came up on a Google
search:

"Instead of stepping six times and then jumping on seven, which makes sense
because it is called Seven Jumps, she [Phyllis Weikart] had the children
jog in place during the music.  Then when the chords were added, the first
four movements were the same as in STM. (One knee, the other knee, one
elbow, the other elbow)  The last three were to drop flat on your stomach,
turnover flat on your back and finally stick you arms and legs straight in
the air and wiggle them wildly until the piece ends. (I know, I know, ON
THE FLOOR!  Its what keeps music teachers young, or kills us!)"
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Alan,

I know it as "Seven Springs", and we've done it a few times at kids
events..I even think we have special music for it somewhere - I'll look it
out and mail again.

Basically, the "chorus" starts with kids circling back and forth, then a
sort of "verse", a break in the music, signals that a specific part of the
kids anatomy has to be placed on the floor sequentially: first one knee;
second time round it is one knee, then two knees; third time round it is one
knee, two knees, one elbow.

(it's cumulative, each round the kids do everything they already did, plus
the new bit. Then they "spring" up and dance round again.)

It continues with second elbow, then the forehead, and finally then all do a
forward roll (somersault) and end up in a glorious shrieking heap in the
centre of the circle.

hang on, that's only six verses.... still I cant remember any more, but I
think that's it.

I have a feeling that the tune we used is a version of a Dutch children's
tune for the everlasting circle (?) "Wij maken nog een kringetje vor
jongetjes en meisjes" (We make another little circle for boys and girls).

My brain hurts, I'll have to look it up...

I will ask Steve Woodcock, a caller I know who calls it sometimes.

Watch this space.

Ron Hawkins
Herbal Remedy Band

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> Hi
> Seven steps - can anyone help with the instructions for this children's
> dance where you seem to get to lie on the floor in stages, interspersed
with
> circling left!
> Thanks in anticipation.
> Alan Corkett
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sharon Green <mls-AT-
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> To: ECD-AT-
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PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
> Date: 21 November 2000 16:52
> Subject: Re: Yuletide Cotillion, 12/3/00
>
>
> Alan, I've _been_ to Halsway Manor.  If we all showed up, you'd set new
> records in the crush category [Most Dancers Jammed into a Single Hall,
> Elbows In]--you'd certainly outdo the Cotillion!
> Have a wonderful Twelfth Night--it's a grand time for a dance!
> Sharon
>
> At 04:39 PM 11/21/00 +0000, Alan Corkett wrote:
> >Hi Sharon
> >Hope you and everyone else will join us at Halsway Manor for our 12th
Night
> >Revels 6th January 2001! King of Misrule=Brian Heaton, music led by Alan
> >Corkett
> >contact me for details etc.
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Sharon Green <mls-AT-
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> >To: ECD-AT-
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> >ECD-AT-
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> >Date: 21 November 2000 15:03
> >Subject: Yuletide Cotillion, 12/3/00
> >
> >
> >(Here's a note I just wrote to a friend of Earl Gaddis, asking whether
she
> >could pre-register for our Yuletide Cotillion on Sunday, December 3rd.)
> >
> >Come on along!  It's likely to be a crush, but we haven't made it a
> >preregistration event yet, and it's always a blast.  Tickets are $12 for
> >CDNY members, $15 for non-members, but CDSS members more than 50 miles
from
> >home get in at our members' price.  The dance runs from 3-6pm, with a
very
> >New York refreshments break, and is located at the Refectory [dining
hall]
> >of General Seminary, 175 Ninth Avenue [between W.20th & W.21st Streets],
> >Manhattan.  It's the final event of Bare Necessities' 3-states-in-3-days
> >mini-tour, with many English Country dancers following them from event to
> >event, so it's a most convivial afternoon.  I think you'll have fun!
> >
> >(I hope lots of you folks on the list will be able to join me, Helene
> >Cornelius our caller, Marty Fager our CDNY president newly-returned from
> >across the pond, and a whole host of merrymakers from here, there, and
> >everywhere.  Do come!)
> >
> >Hugs,
> >Sharon Green
> >
> >
>
>
>
>

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The version I know is Danish, "The Seven Jumps."  

Chorus, done between each verse.  Simple version = Circle left, jump,
circle right.  (In the original, 7 step-hops and jump in each direction)
Drop hands and put them on own hips to do the verses.  

Verse 1)  Right knee up, down.   

2) Right knee up, down.  Left knee up, down. 

3) Right knee up, down, left up, down, Right knee to floor.  J

4)  Right knee up, down, left up, down, Right keee to floor, left knee to
floor. (kneel on both knees).

5)  Same as 4, then add R elbow to floor

6)  Same as 5, add left elbow to floor, chin on hands

7)  Same as 6 , then forehead to floor.

The version I have on record randomly holds a note here and there,
requiring that you stay balanced with one knee up until the note that tells
you to do the next move.   Lots of wiggling and giggling accompany this.
Much fun.  

Victoria
 
 

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Many thanks to all those who responded with helpful notes and instructions
on the Seven Steps/Seven Jumps or Springs!
Best Wishes
Alan Corkett - but perhaps I'd better do as Colin Hume said & stick to
playing the accordion!
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The version I know is Danish, "The Seven Jumps."

Chorus, done between each verse.  Simple version = Circle left, jump,
circle right.  (In the original, 7 step-hops and jump in each direction)
Drop hands and put them on own hips to do the verses.

Verse 1)  Right knee up, down.

2) Right knee up, down.  Left knee up, down.

3) Right knee up, down, left up, down, Right knee to floor.  J

4)  Right knee up, down, left up, down, Right keee to floor, left knee to
floor. (kneel on both knees).

5)  Same as 4, then add R elbow to floor

6)  Same as 5, add left elbow to floor, chin on hands

7)  Same as 6 , then forehead to floor.

The version I have on record randomly holds a note here and there,
requiring that you stay balanced with one knee up until the note that tells
you to do the next move.   Lots of wiggling and giggling accompany this.
Much fun.

Victoria





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Here is a teaser for all you ECD'ers in cyberland. In the Dancing
Master, Vol.2, 4th Edition (1728) is a dance entitled Stepney Cakes and
Ale. Does anyone know what Stepney cakes were or are? Is there a
receipe?

The dance also appears with another tune as Bunter's Delight, which to
the Brits among the subscribers has a significance ;-)

All suggestions gratefully received.

Many thanks,

Graham and Wendy Knight
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On Mon, 27 Nov 2000 graham-AT-
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> The dance also appears with another tune as Bunter's Delight, which to
> the Brits among the subscribers has a significance ;-)

OK, I'll bite: what is the significance of "Bunter's Delight" to Brits?
Or does it just have significance to Brits _who are subscribers?

Non-Brit Subscriber


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Billy Bunter was a comic book character. He was an exceedingly
overweight schoolboy who was always in trouble but could be found trying
any dodge to get food, i.e. raiding the tuck shop. His favourite food
was cream cakes.

He is not to be confused with Desparate Dan whose favourite food was cow
pie!!!!

Graham Knight
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Someone is trying to translate some French from Rabelais who talks
of "the British jig called the estrindore" (according to
http://ftp.cdit.edu.cn/pub/english/book/Translated%20Works/R/Francis%20Rabelais(1494-ca.1553)/Gargantua%20and%20Pantagruel/book02.txt
)

Can anyone offer a better translation than he already has?

> I'm compiling a parallel version in french and English of Rabelais'
> Gargantua and Pantagruel.I've come across the word "estrindore" which
> Cotgrave's dictionary translates as "a kind of British daunce".I have
> not, try as I might, found any reference to this word anywhere else,
> although one English translator has translatd it as a "shake-down",
> another as a "jig". I have also seen it described as "standelle" by a
> French translator.

> Can you either point me to a resource where I might discover more or
> answer my question yourself? Thanks.

He is sisyphus-AT-
cableinet.co.uk
(Mike:  I am copying your question to the English Country Dance
discussion list which is reputed to know all there is to know about the
subject)

My ignorant guess is that he said "a jig called the estrindore" just as
I might say "a waltz called the Veleta" and confuse translators 500
years hence into desparately trying to account for the word Veleta
(which, so far as I know has no significance - the person who invented
it perhaps?).

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On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Hugh Stewart wrote:

> Someone is trying to translate some French from Rabelais who talks
> of "the British jig called the estrindore" (according to
> http://ftp.cdit.edu.cn/pub/english/book/Translated%20Works/R/Francis%20Rabelais(1494-ca.1553)/Gargantua%20and%20Pantagruel/book02.txt
> )
> 
> Can anyone offer a better translation than he already has?


	Not without the original French text.  Do you have it?  Or access
to it?


					--Ian


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Undoubtedly many of you on the list have sources for costumes and costume
components.  The problem is, I don't.

Any guidance would be greatly appreciated...

McD

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McD wrote:

   Undoubtedly many of you on the list have sources for costumes and costume
   components.  The problem is, I don't.

   Any guidance would be greatly appreciated...

What kind of costume are you talking about?  I can't do much for premade
Elizabethan/Carolingian costume, but if you'd like 1700s you can get 
good stuff from Jas. Townsend & Sons (http://www.jastown.com, but just use
the site to order a catalogue; their e-commerce stuff was completely broken
the last time I looked); there's good late Victorian wear from various 
vendors; I've lately had good luck with Wild West Mercantile (wwmerc.com),
who actually specialize in outfitting target shooters with Old West clothing,
but to some extent the 1880s is the 1880s whether you're in Arizona or 
Sussex.  (WahMaker makes some lovely waistcoats.) 

Hope this helps!

-- Alan

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