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I've had a request from Beth Sanford with the Christmas Revels here in
Houston - she is looking for someone who can act as choreographer (hopefully
in Houston or within relatively easy travel to Houston) to teach Breton
dances (from Brittany in France), since this is the featured country this
year.  They are also looking for dancers for anyone who would like to
audition.  If you have any leads, please get in touch with Beth at
bsanford-AT-
iapc.net or at 713 850 0222 X604.

The event is Dec. 7-12 and Dec. 15-17.  It is held at the opera house at
University of Houston.  If interested in dancing (and singing in French also
required for the
performers), call 713 668-3303.  There will be 12 rehearsals on Saturday
mornings.  The event includes the myths, stories, music and dance of Breton.

Any help appreciated,

Dianna

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A belated reminder to anyone who's in the area: the Lambertville Country
Dancers' monthly English dance is tonight.

When: Friday, September 1, 2000

Where:  Titusville United Methodist Church, Church Rd., off Rt. 29,
	Titusville, NJ, USA

Who: Caller--Sue Dupre; 
     Band--Peggy Leiby, Louise & Ted McClure, Enid Diamante, 
	   and Jo Anne Rocke

For directions/further info. please e-mail before 5:30 p.m. or call
609-252-0248.  You can also check the LCD web page at
<http://www.princetonol.com/groups/pcd/lcd/index.html>.

Happy September, everyone!

	Susie Lorand
	Princeton, NJ

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p.s. the dance is from 8 to 11 p.m.  


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ECDers --

I'm leaving shortly for a week away from email.  I won't see mail until very
late on the night of the 8th of September.  If anything goes wrong with the 
list, I won't know about it or be able to do anything until then.

(It's not an ECD trip; actually it's a brief jazz cruise.)

Try to comport yourselves with appropriate dignity and reserve.

-- Alan


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Alan,
Darn - and I had all these plans to be undignified and unreserved :-)
Dianna

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> ECDers --
>
> I'm leaving shortly for a week away from email.  I won't see mail until
very
> late on the night of the 8th of September.  If anything goes wrong with
the
> list, I won't know about it or be able to do anything until then.
>
> (It's not an ECD trip; actually it's a brief jazz cruise.)
>
> Try to comport yourselves with appropriate dignity and reserve.
>
> -- Alan
>
>
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Dianna Shipman wrote:  

>Alan,
>Darn - and I had all these plans to be undignified and unreserved :-)
>Dianna

No fair being undignified or unreserved unless Alan is here to help.
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We'll have to wait until he gets back and surprise him then :-) so let's
think about an undignified, unreserved (but fun) message for him when he
gets back!
Dianna

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> Dianna Shipman wrote:
>
> >Alan,
> >Darn - and I had all these plans to be undignified and unreserved :-)
> >Dianna
>
> No fair being undignified or unreserved unless Alan is here to help.
>

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Peggy Vermilya wrote:

"One of the features of Easter Thursday that I like and find distinctive is
the balancing in and out, side to side (facing partners to preserve the
lines up and down the set) followed by a circle of hands four -- to me this
is a  distinctive part of the dance."

The way I recall doing this dance for many years was to balance out and in,
then side to side, and then turn single.  That used up six bars, and so the
circle four was omitted (see Fallibroome).  So are you saying that you omit
the turn single and, instead, do the circle four?  Just curious.

Pat

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> Peggy Vermilya wrote:
> > "One of the features of Easter Thursday that I like and find
> > distinctive is the balancing in and out, side to side
(facing 
> > partners to preserve the lines up and down the set) followed

> > by a circle of hands four -- to me this is a  distinctive 
> > part of the dance."
> 

--- Patricia Ruggiero <ruggierop-AT-
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> The way I recall doing this dance for many years was to
> balance out and in, then side to side, and then turn single. 
> That used up six bars, and so the circle four was omitted (see

> Fallibroome).  So are you saying that you omit the turn single

> and, instead, do the circle four?  Just curious.
> 

I remember doing it with the turn single as Pat describes, but
unlike Peggy's description of facing partners while setting, we
faced corners so a circle without hands was formed. The setting
from side to side was done such that it defined a segment of the
circle.

Andy

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--- Alan Winston <winston-AT-
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Andy Peterson wrote:

"...but unlike Peggy's description of facing partners while setting, we
faced corners so a circle without hands was formed. The setting from side to
side was done such that it defined a segment of the circle."

The original directions for this part of the dance read: "Meet all four and
sett."  One might query as to how the "meet all four" is executed.  Does the
phrase mean that both 1st Cu. and 2d Cu. (all four) set facing partners; or
does it suggest that all four look in on the diagonal, thus forming that
circle without hands?

I'll repeat what I mentioned in an earlier post: that I suspect Bentley
interpreted this phrase as requiring two separate moves.  First, partners
met; then they set.  Having used up four bars of music, Bentley could see
that there was not enough music for turning single and circling.  Bentley
omitted the circle and gave the dancers two full bars to turn single.

The version presented by Colin Hume (Colin, I forget if this is your
reconstruction or someone else's) has the meeting and setting accomplished
in two bars; that is, dancers meet as they set; then there are four bars (12
steps) remaining to TS and circle.

Pat

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Thanks to all who participated in the "dippy tunes" discussion.  Here is my
attempt at a summary. I'm afraid that I lost anything sent via personal
email - I am sorry. Thanks to Alan Winston for the tool to search the list
by thread. And thanks to several of you for the delightful reminiscences
into Weird Al and Stan Freberg.

There were many tunes put forth, but few respondents ranked their entries,
so it's not possible to present an overall ranking. (Special mention to Sue
Wartell for "Commercial jingles (mostly from the 60's) > My Grandfather's
Clock > Sonny > They're Coming to Take Me Away > Old Folks at Home > Swanee
River > Camptown Races > How Much is that Doggie in the Window > anything by
Tony Orlando and Dawn.")

Similarly, although several tunes were mentioned more than once, there were
too few entries overall for a tally to have any significance.

The real result was in the discussion (though I did genuinely hope we'd find
a ranking), which raised the notion that there might be several factors
involved, and a tune might be dippy or not depending on those other factors.
For example, several people mentioned "I know a song that gets on
everybody's nerves" and I agree; but the feeling changes dramatically (IMHO)
with "Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord." 

Two amazing coincidences occurred during all this. First, a friend whom I
had years ago lent some minimalist music (a simple theme repeated with
almost no variation for, say, 10 minutes) wrote to say "hey, I like this
stuff. Do you have any more?" (and while I was putting that list together I
ran across an anagram for the composer I'd lent him: Henryk Górecki = Hey,
king rocker!). Second, there is a discussion right now on the SCD discussion
list about whether "The Lewis Bridal Song," aka "Mairi's Wedding" is an
annoying tune!

Finally, to all you who got mad at me for making you think about this stuff,
you have your revenge: imagine what it was like trying to summarize this
material!

Here are all the tunes suggested:
-------------
anything by Tony Orlando and Dawn
Banana Splits theme song, the
Barney Song (aka This Old Man)
Camptown Races 
Chantilly Lace
Chicken Dance, The
Commercial jingles (mostly from the 60s) 
Dance of the Hours
Fandango
Flintstones, meet the Flintstones...
Golden Helmet of Mambrino
Happy Days are Here Again
Hokey Pokey, The
How Much is that Doggy in the Window
I Know a Song That Gets on Everybody's Nerves
If You Want to Sing Out, Sing Out by Cat Stevens
Iitsy Bitsy Teeny Weeny Yellow Polka Dot Bikini
Jam Up and Jelly Tight
Macarena, The
MacArthur Park
Memories
Music of the Night
My Grandfather's Clock 
Name Game, The
Oh! Nick-O-Deemo
Old Folks at Home 
Rain Drops Keep Falling on My Head
Soldiers March from Faust
Sonny 
Star-Spangled Banner ["Anacreon in Heaven" is even worse. -bh]
Swanee River 
They're Coming to Take Me Away

  -Bruce
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Bruce, I don't know *all* the tunes on your list of dippy tunes, but it
struck me that the vast majority are in major keys, and a surprising
number feature simple arpeggios in the tune. Further analysis might
yield an instructive monograph: "How to Construct a Dippy Tune."    ; )
--Helen White

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For a number of years I was obsessed by Iceland, which culminated in my
learning a little bit of Icelandic and travelling there for about three
weeks.  Shortly after that, I mostly lost interest in things Icelandic, and
it wasn't until quite recently that I figured out why:  After I came back, I
asked my Icelandic teacher what the traditional music and dance in Iceland
were like, and she replied that Iceland didn't have any.

I was disbelieving; but in fact, I hadn't seen anything of the sort while I
was there, and I had been keeping an eye out for it.  Recently, I found a
website for the Icelandic Tourist Board, and sent them an email asking about
it, and they wrote back and said that my friend was right; Iceland has no
such tradition.  They referred me to an Icelandic music website, and it was
all jazz and swing and classical and baroque and modern.

I realize that Iceland only got their independence comparatively recently,
and so wouldn't necessarily have their own dance tradition (although they do
have an ongoing poetic tradition that's distinctly Icelandic), but I would
have thought there'd be some kind of dance scene based in Norwegian or
Danish dance at least.

However, what it's made me realize is that the British Isles, which are my
main dance and music interest, are so thick with traditional and historical
dance and music that it never even occurred to me to doubt that all other
countries were similarly well-endowed.

Is Iceland the big exception?  Do Norway and Denmark have a dance tradition
in the same way that Sweden does?  (I've heard of Scandinavian dancing, but
when it comes to naming specific countries, all I ever hear about is
Sweden.)  And how does, say, Scandinavian -- or other European --
traditional dance differ from Britain?  Is it even possible to generalize?

Many thanks to anyone willing to tackle this one --

Marian

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Hi, all.

Ron Houston, of the Society of Folk Dance Historians, has written to ask
about the origins & history of the "rather complex family of dances named
Circassian Circle".  He notes that he has the following points of
information, "with scant verification."

Any comments, criticisms or leads for him??  


1	From the Folk Dance Federation of California Standardization Bulletin
#1: "The Circassian Circle was named for a comic Opera 'Circassienne'.
The family or clan formed themselves into one grand circle dance, known
as the 'Hermes necklace chain dance' taken from the Greeks. The
Circassian Circle is the outcome of such a dance." The dance described in
that bulletin is the common dance for a single circle of couples.

2	Maude Karpeles collected (date unknown) in Northumberland a medley: 

a.	The Circassian Circle (jig) for a double circle, couple facing couple,
resembling the usual British versions, such as the RSCDS dance. This
dance became popular in the United States under such names as The Circle,
Progressive Circle Mixer, Sicilian Circle, and Cicilian Circle, and in an
expanded version as Portland Fancy. I have instructions dating from 1930.

b.	The Big Circle (reel) for a single circle became today's commonly
known Circassian Circle. I have no descriptions for this version under
this name predating about 1950.

	Allison, what is your feeling about this apparent switch of dances and
names or about the "Hermes necklace chain dance?" Do you know of a French
dance derived from this comic operetta? I would appreciate any
information or opinions you could supply.
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Past tense of set is "sat"!

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Hi, Bruce--
  I can't help wondering whether the last song on your list represents some 
sort of comment on the proceedings. . . . but that was after I had already 
thought, "MAN!  I LOVE this list.  Where else could a topic like this 
qualify for such intelligent discourse and attempted scientific analysis?!"  
Sure beats most of my professional music lists. . . . sigh.
   Welcome home from camp y'all, and a happy new season of dancing to 
everybody!
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On Mon, 4 Sep 2000, Hamilton, Bruce wrote:

> Thanks to all who participated in the "dippy tunes" discussion.

Sadly, I arrived too late to participate, but I just have to wonder how you
guys missed my personal favorite 60's ode to sexual harassment, "Take a
Letter, Maria."  Who could forget that deathless lyrical hook:  "You've
been many things, but most of all / A good secretary to me. /  It just so
happens I'm free tonight / Would you like to have dinner with me?"

Come to think of it, "Sugar Sugar Honey Honey," by the Archies, was on
top-40 radio at about the same time, so there's another one.

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Marian asked:

"Do Norway and Denmark have a dance tradition in the same way that Sweden
does?"

The short answer is yes, and what you would see and hear in all three (as
far as I can tell) are basically 19th c. folk dances and music.

Quadrilles and couple dances are popular in Denmark.  One form of couple
dancing goes thus:  some number of couples form a circle (man on left, woman
on right); dancers circle left and right, or maybe go into the center and
back; then all face partners and chain for some amount of music, at the end
of which couples then waltz, or polka, or whatever is appropriate, for some
number of bars; and then the dance starts all over again.

There are also dances done in contra lines, and there are probably other
formations that Howard and I just can't remember at present.

One Danish friend said that English country dances were done in Denmark in
the 18th c. by the *aristocracy*.  The national organization in Denmark that
promotes *folk* dancing throughout the country does NOT include those 18th
c. English dances for that reason.

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Marian Phillips wrote (in part):

"Is Iceland the big exception?  Do Norway and Denmark have a dance tradition in
the same way that Sweden does?  (I've heard of Scandinavian dancing, but when it
comes to naming specific countries, all I ever hear about is Sweden.)  And how
does, say, Scandinavian -- or other European -- traditional dance differ from
Britain?  Is it even possible to generalize?"

    Yes, Norway and Denmark do have there own dance traditions.  In Norway,
different dances developed in separate isolated regions as I observed while
traveling there more than forty years ago.  There was an active effort to
preserve the traditions at that time and I presume one could find out more about
its successes by browsing the internet.  Denmark exported many of its dances via
the Bidstrups to the USA.  The dance weeks at Berea and Brasstown feature Danish
dances.  And they were being danced in Denmark when I was there. You might try
contacting Margot Gunzenhauser over there about that -- she is a CDSS member.
Margot is great about sharing information.
    Each nation and regions within nations has its own dance traditions and I
can't think of any facile generalization to differentiate these from English.
English has its own way of carrying one's self which differs from all other
nationalities and the music is more "up" and usually related closely to English
prosody but I leave it to others to flesh out that statement.
--
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On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, Mary E Jones wrote:

> Mary (Laughter May Be Universal But What Is Funny Is Not) Jones
> Amherst, MA until October

Where will you be after that?

There's a smallish dance series (growing, but still smallish) here in Ann
Arbor that likes to import callers, but they can't pay travel yet -- so
they're looking for callers who are either 1) close enough to Ann Arbor
that they can get here on their own without particular difficulty or
expense; 2) travelling in or through this area anyway at about the right
time; or 3) sufficiently provided with time and money and interest to be
willing to come from greater distances on their own.  

The dance organizer generally provides a modest minimum guarantee, with
income above the guarantees split between caller & band with a bit
reserved for future operating expenses, so as the event grows it should be
able to increase the caller's share a bit -- however, the band is
typically 4 to 6 people, so they get a good part of this.  Hospitality
for the caller can generally be arranged.  The dance takes place on the
2nd Friday of each month from September through June (although it might be
on the 3rd Friday in December this year -- that's yet to be determined),
and so far September through November are either filled or a likely
candidate is already lined up.

My thinking is that you would be a very appropriate person for this series
from the standpoint of how your style of calling would fit with the
general spirit of this event.  If you are sufficiently interested to
pursue this, I will send you the name of the person to contact, and will
let her know that you are interested, too.

Hope your move brings you closer so that this becomes more likely!

Eric (not the manager of this dance, but involved with it in other
capacities) Arnold
Ann Arbor 

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Oops!  The reply to Mary Jones was supposed to be just to her but I
inadvertently sent it to the list.  My apologies to all.

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"Albert A. Blank" wrote:

> Marian Phillips wrote (in part):
>
> "Is Iceland the big exception?  Do Norway and Denmark have a dance tradition in
> the same way that Sweden does?  (I've heard of Scandinavian dancing, but when it
> comes to naming specific countries, all I ever hear about is Sweden.)  And how
> does, say, Scandinavian -- or other European -- traditional dance differ from
> Britain?  Is it even possible to generalize?"
>
>     Yes, Norway and Denmark do have there own dance traditions.  In Norway,
> different dances developed in separate isolated regions as I observed while
> traveling there more than forty years ago.  There was an active effort to
> preserve the traditions at that time and I presume one could find out more about
> its successes by browsing the internet.  Denmark exported many of its dances via
> the Bidstrups to the USA.  The dance weeks at Berea and Brasstown feature Danish
> dances.  And they were being danced in Denmark when I was there. You might try
> contacting Margot Gunzenhauser over there about that -- she is a CDSS member.
> Margot is great about sharing information.
>     Each nation and regions within nations has its own dance traditions and I
> can't think of any facile generalization to differentiate these from English.
> English has its own way of carrying one's self which differs from all other
> nationalities and the music is more "up" and usually related closely to English
> prosody but I leave it to others to flesh out that statement.
> --
> Albert Blank
> e-mail: fandango-AT-
sprintmail.com

Of course Norway has a Folk Tradition. One example of the influence of Norwegian
dancing on the general scene is that "thing" that people do nowadays, occassionally
thinking it the only form of Polka ( the one with the walking followed by tight
turns). I learned it about 60 years ago in a folk dance group as the "Norwegian
Polka" but discovered, when dancing in the Bay Ridge area of Brooklyn at a local
Norwegian dance that they called it the Pariser (or Paris) Polka. I have a recording
of it under that name on an old record of Norwegian danses from the Dakotas-made in
the 1930's.

If you visit Bergen. Norway, as I did this June, be sure to get tickets for the Fana
Folklore evening, where they not only serve you a meal of traditional fare but
entertain with local folkdanses (in costume) accompanied by a great Hardanger Fiddle
and a one stringed instrument that resembles a mountain dulcimer.

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Helen White <kinaree-AT-
earthlink.net> writes:
> ...it
> struck me that the vast majority are in major keys, and a surprising
> number feature simple arpeggios in the tune. Further analysis might
> yield an instructive monograph: "How to Construct a Dippy Tune."   ; )

Kind of like "How to Grow Kudzu"?

http://www.mindspring.com/~wxrnot/grow.txt

  -Bruce

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What sort of mind would locate a site like that!!!!

So sorry they didn't have a spectacular photograph too!

Emily L. Ferguson
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Emily recently reminded us that the part tense of "set" is "sat" - in the
hopes of participating in the first rather than the latter at the upcoming
Atlanta dance weekend, I have purchased a sling to augment my dance
paraphernalia. No, my arm isn't broken - but checking literally millions of
books in and out of the library for 28 years, then hoisting one too many
boxes full of heavy antique "smalls" (misnamed??) from the closing antique
mall about a month ago has left me with an injured rotator cuff. I had an
MRI this morning; will see the doctor again on Monday for evaluation and
advise re. possible arthroscopic surgery. But meanwhile, there's that dance
weekend ....and while I'm sure I can safely waltz, anything which torques my
left arm and shoulder is out (I can still drive with reasonable comfort).
I'll be wearing the sling to indicate "caution" to potential partners and
others in the same set, and I'm while sure there are some things that are
best avoided, if you just pretend I don't have a left arm, the other 3/4 of
me should be able to dance just fine, although I won't be able to give
weight on slipping circles, etc.

So my question is: how many of you all have suffered similar trouble? It
seems that knee and leg injuries are commonplace, and back injuries fairly
so (had my share and more of those but time took care of them), but with all
the librarians involved in the ECD scene, it would seem that shoulder
problems would also be a risk. If anyone has advice for me, I'd welcome it -
and please, if you see me sitting out in Atlanta, ask me for the next waltz!

Thanks-
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_Modern English: A Practical Reference Guide_ by Marcella Frank (1972)
includes "set" in the list of irregular verbs of which all three principal
parts are alike.  The various dictionaries around our house corroborate
this.  Perhaps, Emily, you are referring to a less familiar usage?

Pat

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--- Benjamin Stein <dancers-AT-
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> Of course Norway has a Folk Tradition. One example of the
> influence of Norwegian dancing on the general scene is that 
> "thing" that people do nowadays, occassionally thinking it the

> only form of Polka ( the one with the walking followed by
tight
> turns). I learned it about 60 years ago in a folk dance group
> as the "Norwegian Polka" but discovered, when dancing in the 
> Bay Ridge area of Brooklyn at a local Norwegian dance that
they 
> called it the Pariser (or Paris) Polka. I have a recording of 
> it under that name on an old record of Norwegian danses from 
> the Dakotas-made in the 1930's.
> 
"Pariser Polka", which is done often here in Portland, is not a
polka at all. It is a couple dance with a series of figures and
is done to Schottische music. What you refer to as "Norwegian
Polka" is also called "Scandinavian Polka", although there is a
variation done in the Northwest called "Seattle Polka" (as if
they invented it up there). I've never heard anyone refer to
that dance as "Pariser Polka" so that name for it might be local
to Brooklyn.

"Scandinavian (or wahtever) Polka" is probably a newer dance and
may well have evolved in America. Traditional Norwegian dances
would include Pols (basically the same as a Swedish Polska of
which the Hambo is one type), Springar, Gangar, Halling,
Langdanse and others. 

Check out: 
<http://www.noside.com/> an American source for Scandinavian
recordings), <http://www.folkmusic.dk/frames.htm>,
<http://www.fono.no/folknettnorway/>
<http://www.folknetsweden.com/> <http://www.nyckelharpa.org/>
<http://www.musicfinland.com/> and <http://www.folkworld.de/>

Danish dance is the most closely related to ECD. Swedish and
Norwegian traditions also include set dances, but most of the
older dances are couple dances. The Langdanse (long dance) is
considered to be the most ancient form of dance. It is done
while singing a ballad and some of them can last for a very long
time, depending on the length of the story.

Finnish dance traditions have some connection to Sweden as
western Finland was politically controlled by Stockholm for many
years. There is also a strong Russian influence, most notably in
Karellia (much of which was annexed (again?) by Russia early in
the 20th Century). Of all the dances that my performing group
does, the Finnish dances seem to be the ones we like the most.

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--- Marian Phillips <Heyer-AT-
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> For a number of years I was obsessed by Iceland, which
> culminated in my learning a little bit of Icelandic and 
> travelling there for about three weeks.  Shortly after that, I

> mostly lost interest in things Icelandic, and it wasn't until 
> quite recently that I figured out why:  After I came back, I 
> asked my Icelandic teacher what the traditional music and
dance 
> in Iceland were like, and she replied that Iceland didn't have

> any.
> 
> I was disbelieving; but in fact, I hadn't seen anything of the
> sort while I was there, and I had been keeping an eye out for 
> it.  Recently, I found a website for the Icelandic Tourist 
> Board, and sent them an email asking about it, and they wrote 
> back and said that my friend was right; Iceland has no such 
> tradition.  They referred me to an Icelandic music website,
and 
> it was all jazz and swing and classical and baroque and
modern.
> 

I wonder, if you were to contact such a tourist organization in
Boston, if they could tell you about NEFFA, Folk Arts Center of
New England, or CDS, Boston Centre. A tourist bureau might not
necessarily know about traditional folksingers or dancers. The
Icelandic folk traditions must be there, somewhere, even if they
are deeply buried under the influences of more modern music and
dance forms. There is a strong folk revival in Scandinavia right
now that, similarly to the English revival of the '70's, has
influences from modern music, including electronics. I was in
the Portland Revels a few years ago when the theme was
Scandinavia. The men did a song/dance (similar to a Norwegian
Langdanse) that was (supposedly) traditional Icelandic. I don't
know what source Revels has for this dance. You might contact
them at <http://www.revels.org/> and ask them what they have
learned about Icelandic traditions. 

> I realize that Iceland only got their independence 
> comparatively recently, and so wouldn't necessarily have their

> own dance tradition (although they do have an ongoing poetic 
> tradition that's distinctly Icelandic, but I would have
thought 
> there'd be some kind of dance scene based in Norwegian or 
> Danish dance at least.
> 
One thing that I learned while working on Revels was that the
Icelandic language is an ancient form of Norwegian. I would
expect that their folk traditions would have similar roots.

> However, what it's made me realize is that the British Isles,
> which are my main dance and music interest, are so thick with 
> traditional and historical dance and music that it never even 
> occurred to me to doubt that all other countries were
similarly 
> well-endowed.
> 
I have friends who come from or have traveled to foreign lands
and the impression I get is that, for the most part, we in
America are doing more to preserve traditions of our ancestors
than the people that live in those countries. I was talking to a
woman who comes from the Netherlands and has taught her family
traditions to her children. In fact her daughter had called her
from college just a few days before and thanked her for teaching
family traditions because her school friends didn't seem to have
any. She told me that her sister, who is still in Holland, does
not celebrate holidays in the traditional way that they did when
they were children. A friend who was in Sweden and Norway last
summer told people that we do all these old traditional dances
and they asked her why. All they do at evening dances are
waltzes, schottisches, polkas and foxtrots. And the Tango is BIG
in Finland now. If a band comes here from Sweden for Midsummer,
the chances are slim that they can even play more than one Hambo
tune. One exception that I have found to this muddling or nearly
complete loss of old traditions is the Baltic countries.
Portland has an Estonian sister city and every year there is an
Estonian dance group here for the Rose Festival. They always
perform and dance with us on a Monday evening during their stay.
They are very proud of their folk traditions and have kept them
alive over the years in spite of the Russians.

> Is Iceland the big exception?  Do Norway and Denmark have a
> dance tradition in the same way that Sweden does?  (I've heard

> of Scandinavian dancing, but when it comes to naming specific 
> countries, all I ever hear about is Sweden.)  And how does, 
> say, Scandinavian -- or other European -- traditional dance 
> differ from Britain?  Is it even possible to generalize?
>
The old Scandinavian tradition is more couple dance than sets.
I'm not sure how much is known of older traditions in Denmark as
the dances from there seem more modern. They are more like ECD
set dances. In fact I can't, off the top of my head, think of
any Danish dance I know that isn't a set dance. The Swedish
Polska (Norwegian Pols), a 3/4 time dance that evolved long
before the waltz, is more than 350 years old. I would suspect
that some of the Norwegian dances are at least as old. I'm not
sure of the origins of Schottische (Norwegian Reinlender), but
it came into the ballrooms in the early 19th Century.

Reading from liner notes off of an album by Sven Nyhus, one of
Norway's best known fiddlers, the music of western and southern
Norway has evolved in a somewhat isolated setting. The music of
eastern and northern Norway is influenced more by Sweden and the
common instrument is the ordinary violin or "flatfele". The Pols
(related to the Swedish Polska) is the primary dance of eastern
Norway. Edvard Greig, a native of Bergen, was inspired by the
western Norwegian Hardanger-fiddle music.

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Marian Phillips wrote:

 >...I asked my Icelandic teacher what the traditional music and
 >dance in Iceland were like, and she replied that Iceland didn't
 >have any.


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From John Ramsay in Saint Louis

Dear Marian et al.,

I can't let this pass by!  Indeed there is a dance tradition in Iceland, and
I daresay in every culture.  In fact, I have a theory that the more
difficult life is for a people, the more they celebrate life with music and
dance.

I'm sorry that I can't dig up the contacts I had in Iceland but you can
pursue them by contacting Sune Frederiksen for leads

 bsfrederiksen-AT-
pcsystems.net

The Berea College Country Dancers had a 4-hour layover in Iceland in 1994 on
the way back from Denmark via Icelandic Airlines (a delightful break which
included a free bus tour of several sites and a refreshing half hour in the
steamy Blue Lagoon).  My contacts met us at the airport with a few friends
and a fiddler and taught us a couple of Icelandic dances.  They were
Scandinavian, not native dances, but had their own style.

Dance traditions in Denmark and Norway are every bit as rich as the Swedish
and the English.  And they have their national organization as well as
living traditions.  Contact the Embassies for leads to those organizations.
In Denmark, Danske Idraet og Gymnastik Forening (DGI) has connections with
many different Danish folk dance groups (including American square groups-
one which uses a hop-skip step as their interpretation of American square
dance style, contras, and English country dances).

Danes today use the quadrilles of the 1750's-1850's as their primary folk
dance form.  They do some longways dances as well and a few of the older
carol type dances.  There are many links with the British tradition and the
European.  What is fashionable is not and never has been limited by national
boundaries even though cultural adaptations (like the hoppers) also are
bound to occur.

I suspect ancient connections between the English longsword and Viking
dances and have recently come across a Danish tradition of "set running"
such as Sharp notated when he visited Kentucky in 1916-1917.

You might check out Daniel Beal's Dances from Norway pp 80-88 for a brief
historical summary of country dancing. ISBN 0-9620940-0-5




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> Subject: traditions in dance?
> 
> Is Iceland the big exception?  Do Norway and Denmark have a dance tradition
> in the same way that Sweden does?  (I've heard of Scandinavian dancing, but
> when it comes to naming specific countries, all I ever hear about is
> Sweden.)  And how does, say, Scandinavian -- or other European --
> traditional dance differ from Britain?  Is it even possible to generalize?
> 
> Many thanks to anyone willing to tackle this one --
> 
> Marian

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From John Ramsay in St Louis

I have in my hand Offenbach's Dancing Without A Master published by Hurst &
Co in New York in 1876 with instructions for a Circassian Circle, p. 56.
The dance is couple facing couple, but at least the name is much older than
1950!  I'm sure ther are many other references in the old dancing manuals.

The single circle version was a mainstay of both EFDSS under Douglas Kennedy
and CDSS under May Gadd, both dacades earlier than 1950.  See Five Popular
Country Dances published by EFDSS in 1933.



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> b. The Big Circle (reel) for a single circle became today's commonly
> known Circassian Circle. I have no descriptions for this version under
> this name predating about 1950.

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John Ramsay writes:

>>I can't let this pass by! . . . The Berea College Country Dancers had a
4-hour layover in Iceland. . .  My contacts met us at the airport with a few
friends and a fiddler and taught us a couple of Icelandic dances.  They were
Scandinavian, not native dances . . .<<

Now *I* can't let this pass.  I felt my original post was getting long
enough, and therefore didn't go into detail about how much information I
acquired about Iceland, but I get the impression that a number of listees
are disbelieving of the idea that Iceland might not have a folk music and
dance tradition (and I sympathize!  Really, I do!  Because I was too!) so
I'll go into more detail as to what I'm basing my opinion on.

John, you spent four hours in Iceland and met some Icelandic folk dancers
who taught you *non*-Icelandic folk dances.  Icelanders are justly proud of
their culture and country, and I find it hard to imagine an Icelandic folk
dancer who would know other Scandinavian dances, but no traditional
Icelandic ones (if they existed); and equally hard to imagine that if they
*had* known traditional Icelandic dances, they would have taught you other
Scandinavian dances in preference to them.

However, be that as it may.  In comparison to your four-hour layover, here's
my experience:

I spent nine months meeting for 90 minutes a week with a native Icelander
who, besides trying to teach me her language, also was happy to answer my
torrent of questions about her country.

I then spent three weeks travelling in Iceland.  One week was spent
exploring Reykjavik.  One week was spent staying in a farmhouse in the
north, and in making a circuit of the island, stopping in places that seemed
interesting.  One week, which I will always treasure, was spent touring the
western fjords in the company of an Icelandic folk group dedicated to
preserving an Icelandic tradition of extemporaneous poetry.

[I realize this is a total digression, but one of my favorite moments from
that trip was when the bus got stuck behind a car on a one-lane, unpaved
road, and suddenly one of the Icelanders stood up, declaimed a bit of
poetry, and sat down amid a roar of laughter from all the other club
members.  I frantically poked the German woman who was sitting next to me,
and who was the only other non-Icelander on the bus, and said "What'd he
say?  What'd he say?"

"He made a poem about the man driving the car in front of us," said my
seatmate, who was still smiling:  "It is difficult to translate."]

I have also contacted the national tourist board of Iceland (which, by the
way, is not a large country.  The last time I checked its population was
under 300,000.)  I have also checked every tourist guide I can find.  Rather
tellingly, the Lonely Planet guide to Iceland, Greenland, and the Faroe
Islands goes into considerable detail about the Faroese line dances and the
songs that accompany them, but has nothing about traditional dancing in
Iceland.

My apologies if I sound a little testy, but while I sympathize with your
feelings of disbelief about the Icelandic dance tradition, I have noticed
that no one here has any actual information about such dancing.  There have
been quite a number of general comments to the effect of "of course, *every*
country has a dance tradition," but as a matter of cold fact, no one I've
ever come in contact with has ever heard of any from Iceland.

If you can *find* any real information about such a tradition, I'd be
delighted to find out about it; I still find myself checking every book
about Iceland that I come across to see if it has something on the subject.

With more apologies for lengthiness,

Marian

PS -- My thanks, by the way, to everyone who supplied info about Norway and
Denmark and Finland; and also to Ian Engle for his interesting off-list
comments about the sagas and Scandinavian dance history.





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<<So my question is: how many of you all have suffered similar trouble? It
seems that knee and leg injuries are commonplace, and back injuries fairly
so (had my share and more of those but time took care of them), but with all
the librarians involved in the ECD scene, it would seem that shoulder
problems would also be a risk. If anyone has advice for me, I'd welcome it -
and please, if you see me sitting out in Atlanta, ask me for the next
waltz!>>

I've had it happen twice, once several years ago (curiously, right around
the time I was working at a library, although in a more menial job), and
again just a few months ago, cause unknown. Not much advice I can give,
other than two things: Don't reinjure it -- give it a real rest. And SLEEP
WARM!! (You may also have to readjust your usual sleeping position and
pillow arrangement to avoid torquing your arm as you sleep.)

Peace.
Paul


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Hi folks:

A quick perusal of Google and some followup led me to:

http://www.folkdancing.com/Pages/skandia/07islen.htm

(a description of an Icelandic dance using schottische steps, along with
mention of a Reykjavik folk dance troupe that at least existed in 1963, when
they danced at a festival, and a B part collected from an Icelandic student
in Seatte)

http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC/DanceVid.html

(includes description of a JVC/Smithsonian-Folkways video featuring folk
dances of Europe, including at least one from Iceland)

Further investigation led me to:

http://www.folkdancing.com/Pages/skandia/indexdtl.htm

where I found this quote:

"Much of Iceland's indigenous music and dance traditions virtually
disappeared centuries ago in the wake of strict religious bans. What remains
is predominantly of later Danish origin. This schottische was taught by a
folk dance team from Reykjavik. The tune, an old folk song, was learned by
Gunnar Hahn from an Icelandic couple in Stockholm."

Which explains why Marian found so little.

Peace.
Paul



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Many thanks, Paul -- and after my burst of temper, I went poking around
again, and found a mere scrap of information that nevertheless gave me
satisfaction:  On a CD of traditional Icelandic material -- mostly rimur and
hymns and a few folk songs -- there is "a ballad which people had danced to
in the 16th century still being sung by a man in the north of Iceland in
1969."  Which sounds like a remnant of the ballad dances that survived in
the Faroes, which I believe Andy Peterson referred to as Langdanse (?).

Marian





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The comments about alleged Icelandic and other national traditions should 
remind us that, in many cases, the "traditions" (dangerous word!) were nuked 
for religious reasons in the 19th century. Various pious Protestant groups 
in Wales, Netherlands, and elsewhere -- probably Scandiwegia as well -- went 
after dancing as a wicked practice. Then in some places in the 20th century, 
when the pietist tides ebbed, folkie types (that's us, comrades) 
"re-"created the local dance traditions, often drawing on other countries' 
stuff that seemed interesting.

Something very like this happened in the case of the Netherlands. Among the 
leading figures in the Netherlands dance "revival" in the 1920s-30s were 
Elise and D.J. van der Ven. (Yes, yes, I know, they were also kept under 
arrest and barely escaped outright prosecution after WW2 for 
collaborationist activities, with D.Kennedy and R.Gardiner giving 
contradictory testimony, but that's a story for another day.) They drew 
heavily on Efdss contacts, and their book "De Volksdans in Nederland" shows 
this. Even the photos look like something out of Efdss publicity.

I know nada, nichevo, zip, nichts, about the Scandiwegian cases. But I 
advise some interesting reading: E.Hobsbawm and T.Ranger, "The Invention of 
Tradition," and H.Bausinger, "Folklore in a world of Technology" a.k.a. 
Volkskultur in der technischen Welt. While neither addresses dance, they 
have quite a bit to say about the invention (and commodification) of 
traditions. An interesting point: the words "treason" and "tradition" come 
from the same Latin root, meaning to "hand over" etc. Makes one think, czy 
nie tak?

subversively yrs
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<<Many thanks, Paul -- and after my burst of temper, I went poking around
again, and found a mere scrap of information that nevertheless gave me
satisfaction:  On a CD of traditional Icelandic material -- mostly rimur and
hymns and a few folk songs -- there is "a ballad which people had danced to
in the 16th century still being sung by a man in the north of Iceland in
1969."  Which sounds like a remnant of the ballad dances that survived in
the Faroes, which I believe Andy Peterson referred to as Langdanse (?).>>

I think so, with a couple of variant spellings. Curious -- I was just in a
conversation about these ballad dances with a friend from Chicago over the
weekend. I've been wanting to try doing a few at our annual dance weekend;
the tradition seems to have existed in English-speaking countries too,
judging by the existence of ballads with dance-related refrains.

Peace.
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Awwright.  Everybody - FOOD FIGHT!

--- Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing <winston-AT-
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wrote:
> ECDers --
> 
> I'm leaving shortly for a week away from email.  I won't see mail
> until very
> late on the night of the 8th of September.  
> Try to comport yourselves with appropriate dignity and reserve.


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--- Barbara Ruth <barbararuth-AT-
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> Awwright.  Everybody - FOOD FIGHT!
> 
Mashed potatoes with gravy coming your way!!!!!!

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>Awwright.  Everybody - FOOD FIGHT!
>

A selection of delectables pilfered from CDNY.org's Playford buffet:


Liver's Triumph



Pecan Up Sticks



Melbalira




Lemonburlero



The Dressed Chips



Wells Hummus



Rye Me, or The Symphony



Mints William





King of Poland Spring


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--- Paul Stamler <pstamler-AT-
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> Further investigation led me to:
> http://www.folkdancing.com/Pages/skandia/indexdtl.htm
> 

This page describes dances on a CD from Skandia of Seattle that
has music *and* interactive dance instructions. If you scan down
the page a bit you will find "PARISARPOLKA" and a description of
the dance by that name that we do here in the Portland. The
notes on this dance state: 

   "This figure dance for couples, with the typical forward 
   and back pattern common to so many Norwegian folk dances
   (reinlendar and feiar, for example) is the likely ancestor
   of the "Scandinavian Polka" (or "Seattle Polka," as it is 
   called in the Pacific Northwest) widely danced in many 
   parts of the United States.  It was no doubt brought to 
   American shores by immigrants from Norway during the 19th 
   century." 

Which explains the use of the name "Pariserpolka" for the dance
that Ben described that I recognized as "Scandinavian Polka".
Our director, Johanna, always introduces this dance as being
niether from Paris nor a Polka (it is done to Schottische
music), however it has enough of a Victorian ballroom feel to it
that it may very well be a dance that made its way from the
ballrooms of Paris to the Scandinavian folk "tradition".
According to Richard Powers, the Victorian ballroom dancers were
very eager to learn folkdance steps and incorporate them into
the dances that they were doing, so why wouldn't it work the
other way. Redowa and Mazurka variations being just two examples
of folkdance steps that made it to the ballrooms of Paris. There
are many Mazurka dances in the Scandinavian tradition, too.

We are all well aware of our modern "English" dances written in
the "traditional" style (or maybe "Playford" style would be more
correct in most cases) by members of this list and others. The
same is true in Scandinavia. We have a wonderful 8-couple dance
that we perform that was written in Sweden in the 1960's.
(You've heard of, and maybe done, the 8-couple "Rod's Quads"
that Tony Parkes calls? This one is as good as any of them and
most impressive to see from the audience.) There are some
wonderful modern Finnish "folk" dances and tunes, some written
by students at the Sibelius Academy, including some that are not
so "traditional" in style. We have one that we haven't yet
transcribed from our video tape of a Vancouver, BC workshop that
is a Square Dance (with some interesting twists) with a very
Appalachian sounding tune, but both were written by students in
Finland. (The written instructions we have from the workshop
syllabus are in Finnish and we don't know anyone that we can ask
to translate who speaks Finnish *and* has a dance vocabulary.)
Many of the dances we have learned at the workshops with Antti
Savilampi hosted by the Finnish group in Vancouver have been
choreographies for festivals, such as Nordleik
<http://home.online.no/~odflata/> and Kaustinen
<http://www.kaustinen.fi/ktk/kfmf-eng.htm>. They are the in
traditional style but may not necessarily be old dances.

One of the MGM "That's Entertainment" videos or their "That's
Dancing" video has a segment in which Baryshnikov states that
there is a lot of crossover occuring between different dance
forms and he says that he feels this is good. We all know that
this kind of "borrowing" has been going on for a very long time.

Andy in Portland

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From John Ramsay in St Louis

Marian, perhaps our problem is one of communication.  What do you mean by
"native Icelander (see below)?  Scandinavians have been in Iceland for at
least a thousand years.  Do you then class them as foreigners?

I can well imagine that pre-Scandinavian culture and dance has been pretty
well wiped out just like so many "native" American (AmerInd) dances have
been lost.  



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> native Icelander

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Sellenger's Ground Round
Dublin Bay Scallops
Fanmango
The Biscuit
The Gouda Man of Ballangigh
Beurre' Fair
Jenny Pluck Poached Pears with Raspberry Coulis
Come, Let's Be Cherry
Red House Wine
Soy After Sorrow
Trip to Tuna-bridge

--- Anne Marie Edden <AEDDEN-AT-
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> 
> >Awwright.  Everybody - FOOD FIGHT!
> >
> 
> A selection of delectables pilfered from CDNY.org's Playford
> buffet:
> 
> 
> Liver's Triumph
> 
> 
> 
> Pecan Up Sticks
> 
> 
> 
> Melbalira
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Lemonburlero
> 
> 
> 
> The Dressed Chips
> 
> 
> 
> Wells Hummus
> 
> 
> 
> Rye Me, or The Symphony
> 
> 
> 
> Mints William
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> King of Poland Spring
> 
> 


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--- Anne Marie Edden <AEDDEN-AT-
gruzensamton.com> wrote:
> 
> >Awwright.  Everybody - FOOD FIGHT!
> >
> A selection of delectables pilfered from CDNY.org's Playford
> buffet:
> Liver's Triumph
> Pecan Up Sticks
> Melbalira
> Lemonburlero
> The Dressed Chips
> Wells Hummus
> Rye Me, or The Symphony
> Mints William
> King of Poland Spring
 
Polly Put the Kettle On

and we'll have almost a complete alphabet from Peter Rogers'
Index:

A la Mode de France
Anton's Surprise (sounds like something made from leftovers)
Aunt Hessie's White Horse (we're throwing big stuff now)
Barley Reel
Barrel of Sugar
Baskets of Brew
Beaver Jig
Belfast Duck
Black Nag (more horsemeat)
Blackbirds of Spring (baked in a pie?)
Boston Baked Beans
Boston Teaparty
Brambles (the centerpiece off the table)
Buttered Peas
Butternut Squash
Cherry Stones
Chestnut
Chili Pepper
Corn Rigs
Cranbury Hey
Cream Pot
Dancer's Surprise (more leftovers)
Denis's Delight
Diagonal Surprise (you guys didn't eat enough this week)
Double Scotch Reel
Dr Fauster's Tumblers
Drops of Brandy
Duck for the Oyster
Dutch Kipper
Dutch Treat
Elbow Hook Mixer (anyone for a drink)
Fallen Leaves (more centerpiece)
Favorite Scotch Hornpipe
Fiddleheads
Flowers and Candy
Frances Ann's Delight
Frisian Duck
Frisian Duckling
Goose and Gridiron
Grapevine Jig
Ham Hoagie
Hamburger Special
Holly Berry
Hop Picker's Feast
Ice Cream in the Sink
Jack Pudding
Jacki's Favorite
Jenny Kilbrides Delight
Jenny Pluck Pears
Johnson's Special (Swedish meatballs?)
Judi Peels Apples
Juice of Barley
Knives and Forks (gettin' dangerous but left out the Kettle
Drum)
La Ballet Hollandoise
Mac's Favorite
Maggot Pie ( a whole book of delights)
Maid's Delight
Miss Arnold's Delight
Miss Avril's Delight
Monica's Delight
My Mother's Geese
Nantucket Sleigh Ride (isn't htere a drink by that name?)
Olive's Toy
Oranges and Lemons
Oyster River Hornpipe
Pat-a-Cake Polka
Pea Straw
Pinks and Lillies (more centerpiece)
Pint of Derby
Portabella (mushrooms anyone?)
Quiche District Quadrille
Red Bull (bloody beef?)
Royko's Ribfest
Sage Leaf
Sailor's Delight
Saucy Sailor
Scotch Measure
Small Beer
Snowball Mixer
Southsea Crumble
Suggar Candie
Ted's Mixer
Thanksgiving Swing
Turkey in the Straw (even if it isn't in the book)
Up with the Orange
Verona's Favorite
Welsh Rabbit
Wild Goose Chase
Wildboar's Maggot
Witch's Brew
Wright Butter'd Peas
Yucca Jig
Zombie's of Sugar Hill

I'm hungry after all that "Haphazard" "High Ginks" so I'll drink
to your "Health" after which I'll call the "Irish Washerwoman"
to clean up this mess. I'll leave her "Picking Up Sticks" and on
my "Last Gasp" go "Pell Mell Reel"-ing to the "Kitchen
(Hornpipe)" to "Hunt the Hare". After that I'd better take a
"Trip to the Laundry".

Andy in "Portland Fancy"

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On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, John M. Ramsay wrote:

> >From John Ramsay in St Louis
> 
> Marian, perhaps our problem is one of communication.  What do you mean by
> "native Icelander (see below)?  Scandinavians have been in Iceland for at
> least a thousand years.  Do you then class them as foreigners?
> 
> I can well imagine that pre-Scandinavian culture and dance has been pretty
> well wiped out just like so many "native" American (AmerInd) dances have
> been lost.  

	Just a quibble.  I was not aware that there was anyone in Iceland
prior to the Norse colonization.


					--Ian


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On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Ian Andrew Engle wrote:

> On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, John M. Ramsay wrote:
> 
> > >From John Ramsay in St Louis
> > 
> > Marian, perhaps our problem is one of communication.  What do you mean by
> > "native Icelander (see below)?  Scandinavians have been in Iceland for at
> > least a thousand years.  Do you then class them as foreigners?
> > 
> > I can well imagine that pre-Scandinavian culture and dance has been pretty
> > well wiped out just like so many "native" American (AmerInd) dances have
> > been lost.  
> 
> 	Just a quibble.  I was not aware that there was anyone in Iceland
> prior to the Norse colonization.




 Irish hermits.

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All this talk about food reminded me of the New York Playford Ball. During 
the break, there's always a lavish spread, and each item has an 
appropriately punning name.  Which in turn reminds me, that as chairman of 
the CD*NY Playford Ball 2001 committee, it is my great pleasure to invite 
you to . . .
SAVE THE DATE
APRIL 28, 2001
The evening's co-hosts will be our very own BEVERLY FRANCIS and special 
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Hope to see y'all here!!  Details will be posted on our website, etc.
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>
>  Irish hermits.

In small boats made out of leather that was previously used for slack drums.

mm

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Bruce et al.:

> Second, there is a discussion right now on the SCD discussion
>list about whether "The Lewis Bridal Song," aka "Mairi's Wedding" is an
>annoying tune!

"Mairi's Wedding" nearly made it onto my roster. What's the verdict from the
SCD list?

>Here are all the tunes suggested:

These were just the mentions from other folks, rather than yourself, correct?
Otherwise the list is missing the ur-dippy tune It's A Small World.  Which
would Just Be Wrong. 

Because I'm at home sick and have too much time on my hands, I've been looking
up items on that list. For example, The Chicken Dance, written by Werner Thomas
(and others) is known as the Duck Dance in its native land, and was originally
written for harmonica(?). The guy who composed Sugar Sugar composed an awful
lot of other pop hits, such as "98.6." Basically, if we killed off the
composers of these dippy tunes we'd lose not only a lot of trash and TV themes,
but some music that we wouldn't be afraid to admit we like.

<list snipped for your reading pleasure>

And Helen writes: 

>Bruce, I don't know *all* the tunes on your list of dippy tunes, but it
>struck me that the vast majority are in major keys, and a surprising
>number feature simple arpeggios in the tune. Further analysis might
>yield an instructive monograph: "How to Construct a Dippy Tune."    ; )

I'll bet that we could get a highly technical discussion out of bubblegum music
and jingle composers from the '50s and '60s.  Stephen Foster (over-represented
on the list above), were he alive today, probably would be composing themes for
McDonald's commercials.

ObECD: There are one or two ECD groups, such as The Guppies, that make a point
of throwing "dippy tunes" and other well-known music into their change tune
mixes.  JON BERGER, do you have any thoughts on the matter?


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<<> Just a quibble.  I was not aware that there was anyone in Iceland
> prior to the Norse colonization.

 Irish hermits.>>

Isn't that a type of spice cookie?

Peace.
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Irish Hamentashen

Peace.
Paul

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>ObECD: There are one or two ECD groups, such as The Guppies, that make a point
>of throwing "dippy tunes" and other well-known music into their change tune
>mixes.  JON BERGER, do you have any thoughts on the matter?

and then there's Colin Hume's well-known fondness for "Nellie the Elephant"
which crops up in a couple of tunes for his dances.

Emma

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Dear All,

We are trying to set a date for the 2001 Washington (DC) Spring Ball, and would 
appreciate knowing the potential conflict dates.  We've been holding the ball 
the third weekend in May, but the 2001 Fried-for-All is scheduled for that 
weekend, so we'd prefer to choose another weekend.  I understand that the Cape 
May Dancefest will most likely be the second weekend of May.  The New York Ball 
is the last weekend in April, and NEFFA is the weekend before.  What other 
dance events are taking place in April?  Is there a Hartford Ball on the first 
weekend of May?

Thanks in advance for your help!

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> before.  What other dance events are taking place in April?  Is there a
> Hartford Ball on the first weekend of May?
	The Hartford Ball is traditionally held on the 2nd Saturday in
May, which is May 12 in 2001.



						--Rob

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--- Paul Stamler <pstamler-AT-
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> <<> Just a quibble.  I was not aware that there was anyone in
> Iceland
> > prior to the Norse colonization.
> 
>  Irish hermits.>>
> 
> Isn't that a type of spice cookie?
> 
No, crabs.

Andy 
...more food

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--- MEIER-AT-
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>...For example, The Chicken Dance, written by Werner Thomas
> (and others) is known as the Duck Dance in its native land,
> and was originally written for harmonica(?).

And just what is it's native land?? Do you mean that someone
actually admits to composing that awful excuse for a dance?

Andy, can you tell I don't like that dance, in Portland OR

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> Irish Hamentashen


Is that the one that evolved into the contra dance "Shamrock's Delight"?

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This past June I was in Linz, Austria, for a professional seminar.  One
evening we went to the local restaurant, Gasthaus Oberweis, in St.
Magdalena, for dinner and found that on the first floor below the
balcony on which we were seated there was a wedding reception in
progress.  This festive event had real local character-- I hadn't been
aware that there were pedal pusher length lederhosen which could be warn
as formal wear-- and had two bands, one fairly classical and another
which was much more folksy.  Midway through the second set by the folk
band what did my wondering ears behold but

you guessed it

The Chicken Dance
-- 
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I'm reminded of a similar thing we were told about English folk 
traditions.  Several years ago, a few members of the American ECD 
community took to England several years ago.  Nevertheless, we 
were told my more than one person that England had no folk customs. 
When we explained that we had attended dances 5 nights in the last 
week, the man insisted that they must be either imported or a recent 
fabrication.  (In some ways, he was right.  But, let's not reopen 
discussions about what "folk" or "traditional" mean.)  

We found this attitude curious and asked our hosts Lionel and Joy 
Parkhouse about it.  They provided a rather lengthy analysis, most of 
which I forget.  But the gist of it was that some folks (pun intended) 
find parts of England's heritage embarrassing and that has evolved into 
a denial of its existence.  Much the same thing has happened in areas 
in the U.S. where religious beliefs have suppressed local customs.

Getting back to Iceland, I found a couple references in my notes to 
dancing in Iceland (including English country dances) the 19th century. 
 If you wish to read them, go to the web link and search (Ctrl-F) for 
the word "dancing":

A Visit to Iceland and the Scandinavian North (1853) by Madame 
Ida Pfeiffer 
- Chapter III  
ftp://uiarchive.cso.uiuc.edu/pub/etext/gutenberg/etext99/vstil10.txt

and

An Iceland Fisherman (1886) by Pierre Loti (Louis Marie Julien 
Viaud) (1850-1923)  (Translated by M. Jules Cambon) 
-  Chapter V, The Second Meeting
-  Chapter VII, The Discordant Note
at ftp://sailor.gutenberg.org/pub/gutenberg/etext00/icfsh10.txt

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In my editing zeal, some text in the first paragraph seems to have 
"disappeared".  That should read:

I'm reminded of a similar thing we were told about English folk 
traditions.  Several years ago, a few members of the American ECD 
community took a trip to England.  We were told my more than one 
person that England had no folk customs. . . .  

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This seems an appropriate time to tell you all that the Bay Area Country 
Dance Society (San Francisco) Playford Ball will be Saturday, March 31, 
2001, with Lise Dyckman as Artistic Director this year.

Mary Luckhardt
throwing some Bellamintas at Barbara Ruth
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Hurray!  I found it!  I just spent the last 45 minutes searching for this
post, only to find it misfiled under Morris List . . .

There was no indigenous population in Iceland before the ancestors of the
current population arrived -- even the Irish hermits had left some time
before the Age of Settlement got into swing, so from that point of view
we're not talking at cross-purposes.

-- Just a quibble here, by the way -- the Icelanders are the least purely
Scandinavian of all the Scandinavian countries, thanks to a huge Irish slave
population they'd accumulated by the end of the Age of Settlement.  It seems
to have been the thing for settlers headed for Iceland to swing by Ireland.
Blood studies done in the 1970s showed that the Icelandic genetic heritage
was something like 2/3 Scandinavian to 1/3 Celtic.

I think, however, that you're less inclined to make a distinction between
Icelandic culture and Scandinavian culture as a whole than I am.  Icelanders
definitely make that distinction.  They've been there for a thousand years
in quite a bit of isolation -- and have the genealogical records to prove
it, too -- and they have possibly the best-documented culture of any country
in the world.  In fact, most of the information about ancient "Scandinavia"
is really information about Iceland -- and boy, don't they know it.

 . . . They do seem to value a certain isolation; immigration is strictly
controlled, and foreigners have a hard time getting permission to reside in
Iceland, from what I read.

I can believe that you met Icelanders who do folk dances from other parts of
Scandinavia; and they seem to have said, unless I misunderstood you, that
their dances were "Scandinavian" -- not that they were Icelandic, which I
can well believe.

We're probably just going to have to disagree on that one.  Maybe a more
fruitful argument concerns -- YAY!  Relevent ECD content! -- what our
differing perspectives are on how long a dance form has to be in a country
before it becomes a tradition *of that country.*

For example:  I used to belong to a morris team; I currently belong to a
longsword team; I do ECD.  Morris and sword have been danced in this country
*at least* since the 1970s; every team could be said to have its individual
style, and maybe there are even regional differences.  Yet, when I'm telling
people about morris and sword, I never describe them as American folk dance
forms; I always say they're English, and that's how I regard them.  I'm not
sure I've ever heard a U.S. dancer describe them as other than English.
However, you could certainly make an argument that at this point they're
both American traditional dances, and while I disagree, I'd have a hard time
coming up with a coherent reason why they're not.

ECD is even more confusing.  In its Revival form it's been here for around
80 years (?); I've been told there are definite regional differences;
Americans (in the "United States" meaning of the term) have been writing
dances and tunes in that style for quite some while; and yet I don't regard
it as an American dance form, I regard it as English.  At the same time I do
regard American Colonial dance, which by all accounts is almost identical,
as an *American* dance form, and I definitely regard Contra as American as
well.  So go figure.

BTW, I just want to say thanks again to everyone who's been willing to get
into the Icelandic question; I realize it doesn't have a scrap of ECD
content, but I also knew that if I asked this list you'd have information on
it.

Marian

>From John Ramsay in St Louis<

>>Marian, perhaps our problem is one of communication.  What do you mean by
"native Icelander (see below)?  Scandinavians have been in Iceland for at
least a thousand years.  Do you then class them as foreigners?

I can well imagine that pre-Scandinavian culture and dance has been pretty
well wiped out just like so many "native" American (AmerInd) dances have
been lost.  <<


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--- Barbara Ruth <barbararuth-AT-
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> Do you know about the Hunger Site?
>

There's this question under Barbara's signature and here we are
throwing "food".

Andy

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I would suggest that Marian Phillips' admitted difficulty in stating what 
makes American contras, or ECD in America, or morris and sword in America, 
"traditionally American" (or not), results simply from the fact that the 
received wisdom handed down to us, and accepted by us in the folk dance 
world, is myth (rather than history). Not myth in the sense of religious 
stories, but myth in the sense of an image or tale which provides a 
comfortable explanation. Or "heritage" in the sense that we academic 
historians use it.

Which merely goes to show that this AM I've been reading Karl Popper's 
lecture, "Towards a Rational Theory of Tradition."

Whenever folkies start slinging around "what is traditional," I paraphrase 
Marshall McLuhan's comment on art, and come up with, "Tradition is anything 
you can get away with."

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--- Emma Rushton <rushton-AT-
biology.utah.edu> wrote:

> and then there's Colin Hume's well-known fondness for
> "Nellie the Elephant" which crops up in a couple of tunes
for his dances.

What is "Nellie the Elephant?"

By mentioning that, you've got the tune to Colin's
"Unrequited Love" stuck in my head--and I can't remember
all of the words. I can't remember who wrote them, either,
though I think Sol Weber added something. They're around my
house somewhere. The general sense was that they wish Colin
had left that tune...idle... unpublished...out of the
loop....

We sang it at Pinewoods last year: should have done it this
year, directly to him, though I'm sure he's heard it
before.

--Lyrl Ahern

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At 10:59 AM 9/9/00 -0700, Lyrl Ahern wrote:
>By mentioning that, you've got the tune to Colin's
>"Unrequited Love" stuck in my head--and I can't remember
>all of the words. I can't remember who wrote them, either,
>though I think Sol Weber added something. They're around my
>house somewhere. The general sense was that they wish Colin
>had left that tune...idle... unpublished...out of the
>loop....

Gail Ticknor's responsible for the words, and, yes, Colin's heard the
song...  (~:

Sharon
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Sorry for the duplicate sending.  For some incomprehensible-to-me reason,
when I hit reply to ECD-list postings, the To: Header gives the list
address twice, and I have to hand-delete one of the addresses before I send
my reply.  This time I forgot...  )~:
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Now that September has arrived and summer has ended, I'd like to invite 
everyone to the John Shaw 25th Anniversary Country Dance Weekend with Bare 
Necessities in Columbus OH on October 20-22, 2000.   

Sue (for more information, contact me off-list at swartell-AT-
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The dance will be held at:
          OSU Student Union Ballroom                                  
          1739 N. High Street            
          Columbus, OH 43210 

This is a large ballroom with a wooden floor and good acoustics.  Parking 
(sometimes a problem on an urban campus) is available in the parking garage 
right next to the Union.

This event is being held in honor of Mr. John Shaw and in celebration of 
the Columbus ECD group which he and his late wife Betty founded in 1975. It 
is a joint effort of the Columbus English Country Dancers, the Heather 'N' 
Thistle Columbus Royal Scottish Country Dance Society, and the Big Scioty 
Barn Dance. Come share three dance traditions. 

Weekend cost is $59  (postmarked prior to October 5; after that, the price 
will be $65 for the weekend)  Prices for other packages and for individual 
events are also available.

The program is:
                                                                                       
Friday October 20 - American Contra Dance 8-11 PM 
     Caller:Joseph Pimentel 
     Musicians: Peter Barnes, Mary Lea

Saturday October 21 - English Country Dance 
     Workshops 
       10-12 AM and 1:30-4:00 PM 

     English Country Dance Ball 8-11 PM 
       Festive attire encouraged. 
     
     Musicians: Bare Necessities 
     All dances will be taught. 

Sunday October 22 
     Engish Country Dance Workshop 10-12 Noon. 
     Dances will be taught by Jacqueline Schwab 
     Musicians: Bare Necessities 

     Scottish Country Dance 1:30-4:00 PM. 
     Dances will be briefed; program available on web site 
     Musicians: Earl Gaddis, Jacqueline Schwab 
     
Contact me for more information (swartell-AT-
cas.org) or to request a flyer 
with additional information and a registration form.   We also have a web 
site:  http://www.bigscioty.com/shaw.html  Details are posted there, as is 
a printable registration form.  A hospitality request form and information 
about hotels are also posted there. 



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Steve Corrsin writes:

>>the received wisdom handed down to us, and accepted by us in the folk
dance world, is myth (rather than history). Not myth in the sense of
religious stories, but myth in the sense of an image or tale <<

I think of this as "duelling fantasies" and I'm convinced it contributes to
the hostility that sometimes arises between contra dancers and English
country dancers.  The idea that English country dancing is dull, stuffy, and
over-complicated fits in perfectly with the fantasy of a brash young nation,
land of the free and home of the brave, that's thrown off the shackles of an
oppressive Old World overlord.  Likewise, the idea that contra dancing is
for simple-minded Neanderthals fits in perfectly with a fantasy world where
London is a teeming metropolitan center of literature and the arts, the
village green is the epitome of order and peace -- and America is inhabited
by a bunch of hick colonists who are so incapable of ruling themselves that
England keeps having to send in the Army to maintain order.

Marian

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"Emily L. Ferguson" wrote:

> What sort of mind would locate a site like that!!!!
>
> So sorry they didn't have a spectacular photograph too!
>

Try this, Emily:

 <http://www.jjanthony.com/kudzu/houses.html>






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Marian quotes Steve Corrsin 

>>the received wisdom handed down to us, and accepted by us in the folk
dance world, is myth (rather than history). Not myth in the sense of
religious stories, but myth in the sense of an image or tale <<

and writes:

 I think of this as "duelling fantasies" and I'm convinced it contributes to
 the hostility that sometimes arises between contra dancers and English
 country dancers.  The idea that English country dancing is dull, stuffy, and
 over-complicated fits in perfectly with the fantasy of a brash young nation,
 land of the free and home of the brave, that's thrown off the shackles of an
 oppressive Old World overlord.  Likewise, the idea that contra dancing is
 for simple-minded Neanderthals fits in perfectly with a fantasy world where
 London is a teeming metropolitan center of literature and the arts, the
 village green is the epitome of order and peace -- and America is inhabited
 by a bunch of hick colonists who are so incapable of ruling themselves that
 England keeps having to send in the Army to maintain order.

Very interesting.  I think it's more global than cross-national, though.  (I
speak in generalities below, rather than qualifying each one with an
acknowledgment of exceptions.  There are exceptions, sometimes major ones, to
each thing I say below.)

In the US, ECD is perceived - however subliminally - as the dance of the upper
classes, and contra as the dance of the People.  In the UK, ECD and contra are
typically done by the same people, and the ceilidh dancers and leaders, with
some exceptions (Hi, Bob!) think that the  D4D people are the bloodless snotty
aristos and the vigorous English ceilidh dance is the dance of the People - an
attitude put forth further by the idea that the ceilidh dance musicians are the
people preserving the historical folk tunes, and are themselves authentic
because they've memorized their repertoires and don't have to play from dots. 
(Those authentic traditional musicians - some of whom are indeed very much
concerned about learning things off field recordings or at sessions from people
who've learned tunes from the originators, etc, etc, are also the ones having
the discussion about how to get the sound guy at the festival to mike the
bouzouki as well as the electric guitar, and whether it's workable to use a
drum-only four-bar intro.)  [By the way, the last time I mentioned this
perception of ECD I got a note that explained that unlike the situation in the
US, the people who do what are indicated at festivals as "Dances for Dancers" -
that is, people with some ECD experience - _really are_ snotty and bloodless,
or at least old, tired, only interested in walking complicated patterns, and
unwelcoming to new people.]

In the US, many people who do RenFaire-style ECD think that the people who do
the stuff you're likely to see if you go to a ball in Boston, New York, or the
Bay Area -- there, I've avoided the problem of calling it CDSS-style and
implying that CDSS endorses a style -- are snotty bloodless aristos who dance
without passion or energy.  The fact that RenFaire uses first-edition Playford
as the dance of the ragged peasantry - because what else are they going to use?
there's not much documentation of what the ragged peasantry was doing in 1600-
only emphasises the idea that the balls-to-the-wall energy-over-precision style
is the way the People did it, and anybody who goes up a double and back at less
than a dead run has a stick up their butt.  (Not understanding that the stick
is supposed to go all the way from the ankles to the top of the head.)

There are some external factors that help to drive this.  What iconography do
ECD people use in publicizing their dances?  Quite typically, pictures of
upper-class people of some previous century.  Contra people don't do that,
usually, at least in the flyers I've scene.  Further, contra has evolved in the
direction of fast-teaching, fast-moving, everybody-active dances, and despite
the efforts of some contra callers to keep the older stuff alive, most contra
dancers have an experience of the form that involves a very high ratio of
movement to instruction, because you move even when you're inactive, 
the figures are usually pretty easy and didn't take long to teach, and the
dance is repeated 15-20 times rather than the 10-12 more typical for ECD
longways or the twice through a USA dance.  I think most ECD leaders feel more
responsibility for the older parts of the repertoire than most contra leaders
do, and that means more bits to learn, higher proportions of teaching to
dancing, and more stuff where the dance can break if somebody screws it up,
meaning more requirement to actually pay attention during the teaching of the
dance.  And there's much less swinging and much less sweating, which some
people feel are the important aspects of the contra form.

I think ECD tolerates people who don't pay any attention during the walkthrough
much less well than contra does; as a result, if those people try ECD, they
think of it as stuffy and bloodless and intolerant.  God forbid they should try
Scottish. (And, of course, some individual ECDers probably are stuffy,
bloodless, and intolerant.)

Psychologically, though, some people apparently can't feel that the group that
they identify with is good unless they can identify some other group that they 
can feel is bad. This works better if your groups are different schisms
from the same root stock.  Members of different Judeo-Christian religions  have
often been more mutually intolerant than they are of, say, Shinto or
Confucianism.  Fans of different baseball teams hate each other much more than
either hates hockey fans.  

My conclusion?  I think that the ECD/contra division we see in the US says more
about human character than it does about the dance genres.  It might be
possible to minimize some of the external factors - iconography, attitude, even 
dance selection, and better teaching can help improve the ECD movement/dance
ratio, but that it'll probably be impossible to win over everyone.  If a town
had two identical dance series, one called ECD and one called contra, there'd
still be people identifying with one series and denigrating the other, because
that's the way people are.

-- Alan

PS: Yes, I'm back.  I congratulate the group on having an on-topic food fight.
That seemed to me like an _appropriate_ degree of dignity and reserve.

PPS: I'm a little scared to mention that I'm only back for a week, and will
then be gone for another week.  Maybe I won't send out a special "let the games
begin" announcement this time.  -- APW


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>"Emily L. Ferguson" wrote:
>
>> What sort of mind would locate a site like that!!!!
>>
>> So sorry they didn't have a spectacular photograph too!
>>
>
>Try this, Emily:
>
> <http://www.jjanthony.com/kudzu/houses.html>

too much

Emily L. Ferguson
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ECDers --

I have received a request for information - an in-print source, directions, 
music - on something called "The White Hall Minuett."  (The "tt" is sic.)

Do any of you know anything at all about this dance?  I sure don't.

Thanks,

-- Alan

PS: I suppose the food fight variant here would be White Hall Minestrone. -APW


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--- "Emily L. Ferguson" <elf-AT-
cape.com> wrote:
> >"Emily L. Ferguson" wrote:
> >
> >> What sort of mind would locate a site like that!!!!
> >>
> >> So sorry they didn't have a spectacular photograph too!
> >>
> >
> >Try this, Emily:
> >
> > <http://www.jjanthony.com/kudzu/houses.html>
> 
> too much
> 
That's what everyone in the South says who has been trying to
get rid of it. I just saw on the news last week that it has been
found in two places in Oregon this year, probably from seeds
brought in by an interstate truck. We certainly have the wet
climate on the west side of the Cascades for this stuff to
flourish if it gets a foothold.

Andy in Portland

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Folks,

I got an interesting question from a musician who recently because enamored
with a Regency style choreography called the "Congress of Vienna".  He said
he liked it so much for the music and wondered if I'd be willing to teach it
to his ECD group so they could dance it and he could play the music.

This got me thinking about the kinds of "bonus" dances included along with
an ECD program.  Some of the common ones I thought of were:

1) Viennese waltz (usually as the last dance, or before the break)
2) Bourree
3) Schottische
4) Norwegian Polka (which isn't Norwegian or a polka)
5) Hambo
6) Sveefacher (sic)

And I have seen the occasional swing dance at a contra, though not at an ECD
night.  Of course, I'm talking about a regular dance series, and not a camp
or other special event.

So what do you do?  Do you have criteria for what gets included or not?

Of course, I'll coagulate the responses and regurgitate a summary back.  :-)

Thanx, Ric Goldman
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Well, the tune is on the Broadside Band CD called "English Country Dances
From Playford's Dancing Master 1651-1703."

Marian

Alan writes:
"The White Hall Minuett."  (The "tt" is sic.)



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-- And the liner notes say "11th edition 1701."
M.



Well, the tune is on the Broad