Archive-Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 00:38:30 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 21:50:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul J. Stamler" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Plea for help To: English Dance Maillist Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi folks: Could someone, preferably Alan, tell me (a) how to unsubscribe myself from the list at this address; (b) how to resubscribe myself to the list from a new address? Thanks! Peace. Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 01:30:04 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 01:29:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: Plea for help To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01JNS4VNV42A96AYA1-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Paul asked: Could someone, preferably Alan, tell me (a) how to unsubscribe myself from the list at this address; (b) how to resubscribe myself to the list from a new address? From this address, send to ECD-REQUEST-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU a message with the body UNSUBSCRIBE QUIT From the new address, send to ECD-REQUEST-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU a message with the body SUBSCRIBE "Paul Stamler" QUIT To answer this kind of question in general, check out the list instructions which you can get by sending a message to that ECD-REQUEST address with the body HELP or you can point your web browser to the list home page http://www-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu/~winston/ecd.htmlx and follow the link to the message that gets sent out when you describe. -- Alan =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA 94309-0210 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 10:30:56 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 11:22:49 -0400 From: Country Dance and Song Society Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Fwd: Looking for dances in Australia To: ecd-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <4.2.1.20000403111926.00a43450-AT- crocker.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Folks, We received the following query at the office, but don't have any helpful information. Can anyone direct this fellow to dances, etc. in Australia? Thanks, Robin Hayden >X-Originating-IP: [216.12.81.37] >From: "Barb Vigour" >To: office-AT- cdss.org >Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:29:40 PST > >Hello office folks, > > I'm trying to locate names/physical addresses/e-mail addresses for > traditional music groups/ongoing dances in Queensland,OZ. There must be > some Morris dancers, contra, English country stuff going on there. Any > leads on those and world/Oz music festivals in Australia in general? > > Thanks, > > Barb Vigour > bjvigour-AT- hotmail.com >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Country Dance and Song Society PO Box 338/132 Main St, Haydenville, MA 01039-0338 Phone: 413-268-7426 Fax:413-268-7471 http://www.cdss.org office-AT- cdss.org sales-AT- cdss.org camp-AT- cdss.org ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 12:57:18 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 13:21:53 -0500 From: Dianna Shipman Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Looking for dances in Australia To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <012f01bf9d9b$60038b80$2fe0490c-AT- pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <4.2.1.20000403111926.00a43450-AT- crocker.com> I sent this on to a friend in Australia and a friend in New Zealand who do a lot of different kinds of dance so maybe they can connect up. Dianna Dianna L. Shipman diannashipman-AT- worldnet.att.net PMB 134, 1436 W. Gray Houston, TX 77019-4946 Scottish Country Dancing and More: web page: http://home.att.net/~diannashipman phone: 713-522-1212 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Country Dance and Song Society" To: Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 10:22 AM Subject: Fwd: Looking for dances in Australia > Folks, > > We received the following query at the office, but don't have any helpful > information. Can anyone direct this fellow to dances, etc. in Australia? > > Thanks, > > Robin Hayden > > >X-Originating-IP: [216.12.81.37] > >From: "Barb Vigour" > >To: office-AT- cdss.org > >Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:29:40 PST > > > >Hello office folks, > > > > I'm trying to locate names/physical addresses/e-mail addresses for > > traditional music groups/ongoing dances in Queensland,OZ. There must be > > some Morris dancers, contra, English country stuff going on there. Any > > leads on those and world/Oz music festivals in Australia in general? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Barb Vigour > > bjvigour-AT- hotmail.com > >______________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > Country Dance and Song Society > PO Box 338/132 Main St, Haydenville, MA 01039-0338 > Phone: 413-268-7426 Fax:413-268-7471 http://www.cdss.org > office-AT- cdss.org sales-AT- cdss.org camp-AT- cdss.org > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 18:11:55 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 21:28:26 -0400 From: Allison M Thompson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Fun Event in Pittsburgh April 29th To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20000403.212843.-452251.0.AllisonThompson-AT- juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT If anyone is in or near Pittsburgh PA on Saturday April 29th ... An English Country Dance Party! with music by members of Chatham Baroque (the hottest new Baroque group, presently recording on the Dorian label) 8-11 pm in the Laughlin Music Center at Chatham College, Pittsburgh Pa MC & Caller: Allison Thompson With a free Beginners' Workshop from 2-4 that afternoon. Free Parking. Delightful catered refreshments (no potluck!) Cost: $15 /particpant Dances will be selected from the following: Long Odds I Care Not For These Ladies Shropshire Lass Take A Dance Handel With Care Lovely Nancy Gathering Peascods Newcastle (for those who know) The Royal Volunteers An Old Man a Bed Full of Bones Greenwich Park Yellow Stockings The Introduction Hush A Bye Pay at door or mail registration to : William Beck Country Dance & Song Society of Pittsburgh Longwood 372 Woodlands Drive Verona PA 15147 Questions? Mail to me off-list at: AllisonThompson-AT- juno.com Hope to see youns (as we say locally) there! ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 19:53:38 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 22:53:16 -0400 From: "Albert A. Blank" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Fwd: Looking for dances in Australia To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU, bjvigour-AT- hotmail.com Message-ID: <38E9591B.161F3D34-AT- sprintmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <4.2.1.20000403111926.00a43450-AT- crocker.com> A good lead for this information is www.folkalliance.org.au This is only a starting point. From this site, you can branch in many directions. With that beginning, I was able to explore the web to make contact with the ECD group in Christchurch, NZ, seemingly the only one in NZ or Australia. There's a lot of morris down under. Happy hunting! Albert Blank > "Barb Vigour" asked: > > I'm trying to locate names/physical addresses/e-mail addresses for > > traditional music groups/ongoing dances in Queensland,OZ. There must be > > some Morris dancers, contra, English country stuff going on there. Any > > leads on those and world/Oz music festivals in Australia in general? ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 09:59:03 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 14:02:56 -0300 From: lydia.hedge-AT- ns.sympatico.ca (Lydia Hedge) Subject: (Fwd) FW: sailor's hornpipe To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <20000404165838.AAE3974%jubilee.ns.sympatico.ca-AT- oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I thought maybe someone could help with this request... Lydia ============ ------- Forwarded message follows ------- From: Ian Brockbank To: "Highland-Dance (E-mail)" , "strathspey (E-mail)" Subject: FW: sailor's hornpipe Date sent: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:31:53 +0100 Send reply to: strathspey-AT- tm.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de Date forwarded: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 10:34:21 +0200 Hi All, I've had this request: > From: Michael Beesley > > One of our reader needs the steps to the traditional english > version of the dance. Can you help? Any references to books, > magazines, internet sites etc... would be greatly appreciated. > Paola Wright Hampshire County library Requests Does anyone know anything about the _English_ hornpipe? I've passed on details of the Scottish version. Please include Paola on replies. Thanks, Ian -- Ian Brockbank, Indigo Active Vision Systems, The Edinburgh Technopole, Bush Loan, Edinburgh EH26 0PJ Tel: 0131-475-7234 Fax: 0131-475-7201 work: ian-AT- indigo-avs.com personal: Ian.Brockbank-AT- bigfoot.com web: ScottishDance-AT- bigfoot.com http://www.scottishdance.net/ Feed the World http://www.hungersite.com/ ------- End of forwarded message ------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 12:33:43 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 20:02 +0100 From: graham-AT- gcknight.demon.co.uk Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: (Fwd) FW: sailor's hornpipe To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Doesn't work in mysterious ways. I was just about send a posting about a new book when the message about the Sailor's Hornpipe arrived. First the new book. Understanding Victorian Society through Dance "from Monarch to Mudlark' (ISBN 0 85418 181 4). This has been a 2 year joint project between the Dolmetsch Historical Dance Society, the Grand Union of Folk Dancers and the EFDSS. It is intended as a teaching resource for Key stage 2 and above in England, but would also be of interest to general dance readership. It is written by Wendy Crouch, Anne Daye, Pat Tracey, Ellis Rogers and Kate Badrick, with Diana Jewitt as the general editor. There is also an accompanying CD. There are 6 sections:- Dances of the Ballroom - The Polka, The Spanish Dance, The Schottischee, Hart's Lancers - First quadrille, etc Country Dance - La Tempete, Sir roger, The Triumph, Dorset 4 Hand, etc. Morris and Processional - Stave Dance, Bean Setting, Castleton Garland, Helston Furry. Performance dance - Sailor's Hornpipe, Jockey Dance, Skirt Dance, Tambourine Dance, etc. Clog Dance Resource information. As for the Sailor's Hornpipe it was basically a solo dance performed on stage and in the Ballroom. It was viewed as a tribute to the Navy and the gallant sailors who helped to defeat Napoleon. The dance combined footwork to a nautical tune (ususally the College Hornpipe). Versions of the dance are still preserved by the Navy. The dance consisted of an introduction which was 6 skip change steps in a clockwise circle ending with 6 stamps of the feet and then repeat the circle the other way; a climbing the ropes figure which was repeated; a looking to sea figure that was done moving forwards and then repeated moving backwards; a heaving on the ropes figure to the right (repeated to left); a skylarking figure to right (repeated to left) and then the introduction repeated. The whole is too long to type out. Wendy and I will be in the States at the end of next week at NEFFA and until May 1st, and we hope to be dancing around New England while we are there. We hope to be able to bring some of the books over but we will have one for people to look over. We wil also be bringing some copies of Further Flights of Fancy, the one with David Dean tune to Winter Solstice. Orly Krasner has said she will act as a conduit for us to distribute them. If you would like a copy please e-mail me personally (not Orly). The cost will be 5 USD + p & p. Hope to see some of you very soon. Graham Knight ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 16:36:46 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 19:36:39 -0400 From: Helene Cornelius Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: (Fwd) FW: sailor's hornpipe To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <000701bf9e8e$bdf8b140$33fb6ed1-AT- helene> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: Hello Graham! I'd like to order a copy of Further Flights of Fancy. Thanks in advance. And I hope we'll see you here (Wednesday night English Country Dance in Arlington, our home town!) as well as at NEFFA. Cheers! Helene ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 3:02 PM Subject: RE: (Fwd) FW: sailor's hornpipe > Doesn't work in mysterious ways. I was just about send a posting about a new book when the message about the Sailor's Hornpipe arrived. > > First the new book. Understanding Victorian Society through Dance "from Monarch to Mudlark' (ISBN 0 85418 181 4). This has been a 2 year joint project between the Dolmetsch Historical Dance Society, the Grand Union of Folk Dancers and the EFDSS. It is intended as a teaching resource for Key stage 2 and above in England, but would also be of interest to general dance readership. It is written by Wendy Crouch, Anne Daye, Pat Tracey, Ellis Rogers and Kate Badrick, with Diana Jewitt as the general editor. There is also an accompanying CD. > > There are 6 sections:- > > Dances of the Ballroom - The Polka, The Spanish Dance, The Schottischee, Hart's Lancers - First quadrille, etc > > Country Dance - La Tempete, Sir roger, The Triumph, Dorset 4 Hand, etc. > > Morris and Processional - Stave Dance, Bean Setting, Castleton Garland, Helston Furry. > > Performance dance - Sailor's Hornpipe, Jockey Dance, Skirt Dance, Tambourine Dance, etc. > > Clog Dance > > Resource information. > > As for the Sailor's Hornpipe it was basically a solo dance performed on stage and in the Ballroom. It was viewed as a tribute to the Navy and the gallant sailors who helped to defeat Napoleon. The dance combined footwork to a nautical tune (ususally the College Hornpipe). Versions of the dance are still preserved by the Navy. > > The dance consisted of an introduction which was 6 skip change steps in a clockwise circle ending with 6 stamps of the feet and then repeat the circle the other way; a climbing the ropes figure which was repeated; a looking to sea figure that was done moving forwards and then repeated moving backwards; a heaving on the ropes figure to the right (repeated to left); a skylarking figure to right (repeated to left) and then the introduction repeated. The whole is too long to type out. > > Wendy and I will be in the States at the end of next week at NEFFA and until May 1st, and we hope to be dancing around New England while we are there. We hope to be able to bring some of the books over but we will have one for people to look over. We wil also be bringing some copies of Further Flights of Fancy, the one with David Dean tune to Winter Solstice. Orly Krasner has said she will act as a conduit for us to distribute them. If you would like a copy please e-mail me personally (not Orly). The cost will be 5 USD + p & p. > > Hope to see some of you very soon. > > Graham Knight > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 21:11:50 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 22:00:57 -0500 (est) From: Gene Murrow Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: New Knee To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU CC: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU, Strathspe-AT- tm.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de Message-ID: <20000404.224452.-938949.6.gmurrow-AT- juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:36:09 -0500 Benjamin Stein writes: > To all my friends on both the English and Scottish lists. I am > recuperating from the installation of a new left knee joint or > "total > knee", done just a week ago. Progress is quite good and I hope to be > back dancing by some time in May... Looking forward to seeing you back on the dance floor big time! Missed you on the ECD list... So, will you now take up Renaissance dancing, which features a left-foot lead?? :-) Best wishes, Gene ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Permanent address: - for your Address book ISP of the moment: - "Reply" button destination -------Either one works. Keep those electrons and phosphors coming!------- ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 00:16:18 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 00:15:35 -0700 From: Heyer Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: ballroom To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <01bf9ece$bc7810a0$b4ecadce-AT- default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I recently started taking ballroom dance lessons, and at the first lesson I had a little "English country dancer meets ballroom" moment. The main (male) teacher told all the "followers" to line up behind the female teacher. Like the good little English country dancer I am, I took up a position directly behind the woman, with a space between us that I considered appropriate for a line of dancers. She looked behind her, saw me, and laughed uncomfortably. I looked around, and realized that all the other women had formed a straggling horizontal line at right angles to the female teacher, with nobody standing anywhere near her. So my education began with the realization that "line up behind" means something entirely different in ballroom than it does in English. Marian Phillips ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 07:53:36 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 10:57:21 -0400 From: Benjamin Stein Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: New Knee To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <38EB5450.676E95D9-AT- globalnetisp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <20000404.224452.-938949.6.gmurrow-AT- juno.com> Gene Murrow wrote: > On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:36:09 -0500 Benjamin Stein > writes: > > To all my friends on both the English and Scottish lists. I am > > recuperating from the installation of a new left knee joint or > > "total > > knee", done just a week ago. Progress is quite good and I hope to be > > back dancing by some time in May... > > Looking forward to seeing you back on the dance floor big time! Missed > you on the ECD list... > > So, will you now take up Renaissance dancing, which features a left-foot > lead?? :-) > > Best wishes, > > Gene Thanks for the thought Gene. Surprisingly enough I have done some renaissance dancing and I wouldn't dare! Would like to put off replacement of my right knee as long as possible and am afraid those half-demi-plies on the right leg would just kill me! Ben ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 15:24:24 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 15:23:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: A merrier time than ours To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01JNVPOLMKBM96AS0F-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT ECDers -- I have here Hillgrove's Ball-Room Guide, according to the title page A COMPLETE PRACTICAL GUIDE to the A*R*T O*F D*A*N*C*I*N*G containing descriptions of all fashionable and approved dances, full directions for calling the figures, the amount of music required; hints on etiquette, the toilet, etc. by T*H*O*M*A*S H*I*L*L*G*R*O*V*E copyright 1863. I'll pass quickly over the quadrilles, the section entitled "Promiscuous Figures", all the couple dances (including "Sicilienne", "Zulma L'Orientale", and the charming sounding "La Zingerilla") and go on to the last section of the book, where some country dances are discussed. "La Tempete", incidentally - not too different from the Wiltshire Tempest in CDM, apparently isn't a country dance, since Hillgrove says "This dance, suitable for those of all ages, requires a correct knowledge of the figures to make it agreeable. Like the Country Dance, it produces a cordial feeling among those who engage in it." Other dances not acknowledged as country dances are "Virginia Reel, or Sir Roger de Coverley" (quite as we are familiar with, except specified as once through for each couple, and with the lines forward and back and bow at the end of the dance, not the beginning), the "Swedish Dance" ( a 3 face 3 Sicilian, quite similar to dances in CDM), "Pop Goes the Weasel" - quite the same figures as "Haste to the Wedding" in CDM, but has everyone singing "Pop Goes the Weasel", which would get on my nerves quite soon, and then a special section of the no-longer fashionable: "A French Country Dance (Le Carillon de Dunkerque)" or "Chimes of Dunkirk"; American favorites: "Money Musk", "Chorus Jig", and "College Hornpipe". But here are the general words I wanted to quote: COUNTRY DANCES Country dances have become nearly obsolete in fashionable assemblies, but are still in comparative favor at provincial balls and private parties. They belong to a ruder age than ours, and were relished by a merrier people than now move in the circles of fashion; they are characteristic of Merry England in the olden time - of the cheerful, gay, and light-hearted, but hold an inferior place in the programme of a modern assembly. and at the end of the section N.B.--Country dances are usually known by the name of the music to which the figures are set, and were formerly dances in an almost endless variety. As they are no longer fashionable, it is unnecessary to give additional descriptions of them. and finally There are many other beautiful dances, most of which are performed with characteristic steps, of which it would be next to impossible to give descriptions sufficiently clear to enable any one to learn them without receiving personal instruction. So perhaps we are missing a bet in publicizing the "beautiful elegant dances of Jane Austen's time" and should say "learn the dances the Victorians found too rude and merry; too cheerful, gay, and light-hearted!" (I joke a bit, here, but in fact I found this quite as annoying as it was charming, and the "As they are no longer fashionable, it is unnecessary to give additional descriptions of them" made me want to, rudely, merrily, throttle Mr. Hillgrove.) -- Alan =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA 94309-0210 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 17:53:18 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 17:52:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Barbara Ruth Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: A merrier time than ours To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20000406005252.23515.qmail-AT- web1608.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --- Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote: > I have here Hillgrove's Ball-Room Guide, > > I'll pass quickly over ... the section entitled > "Promiscuous Figures", Oh sure, Alan. Whet our curiousity and then leave us hanging. Barbara ===== Do you know about the Hunger Site? Sponsors of the hunger site donate money to the United Nations World Food Programme for every visitor to the site. No purchases - all you do is click on the site. Visit http://www.thehungersite.com to help fight world hunger. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 18:09:24 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 18:08:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: A merrier time than ours To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01JNVW5U56N6966LXW-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Barbara Ruth noted: >--- Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing >wrote: >> I have here Hillgrove's Ball-Room Guide, >> >> I'll pass quickly over ... the section entitled >> "Promiscuous Figures", >Oh sure, Alan. Whet our curiousity and then leave us hanging. Actually, my curiousity is left hanging too, and I can only speculate. The table of contents lists "Promiscuous Figures" in the third part of the book, which describes the quadrille and the first set or plain quadrille. Then these figures: Hands all Round Right and Left all Round A Final Figure Basket Figure Cheat and Jig March Figure Gavot Minuet Star Figure Balance to the Right Moulinet Allemand Holubiec Dos-a-Dos The Waltz Quadrille I've been trying to make sense of this. First I thought 'promiscuous' meant figures that involved eight people; then I found the Moulinet which involves 'four or more', and Holubiec and Dos-a-Dos, which are done only with your partner. But maybe everybody does them at the same time, rather than heads and sides doing them in turn, or first couple, second couple, third couple, fourth couple. Or maybe it means that these figures are not unique to a specific quadrille, but can be called in any of them. (The waltz quadrille, it says here, is danced to a set of waltzes, and you do the figures in the normal way but everybody waltzes around the set between each figure, which might be why it's promiscuous.) Or maybe it just means that the book isn't really that well-organized. -- Alan =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA 94309-0210 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 18:51:18 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 20:50:54 -0500 From: Roger Diggle Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: A merrier time than ours To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <200004060151.UAA14525-AT- supermail.globaldialog.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote: >Barbara Ruth noted: > >>--- Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing >>wrote: > >>> I have here Hillgrove's Ball-Room Guide, >>> >>> I'll pass quickly over ... the section entitled >>> "Promiscuous Figures", > >>Oh sure, Alan. Whet our curiousity and then leave us hanging. > > >Actually, my curiousity is left hanging too, and I can only speculate. > >The table of contents lists "Promiscuous Figures" in the third part of the >book, which describes the quadrille and the first set or plain quadrille. > >Then these figures: > >Hands all Round ... >I've been trying to make sense of this. First I thought 'promiscuous' meant >figures that involved eight people; then I found the Moulinet which involves >'four or more', and Holubiec and Dos-a-Dos, which are done only with your >partner. But maybe everybody does them at the same time, rather than heads >and sides doing them in turn, or first couple, second couple, third couple, >fourth couple. Or maybe it means that these figures are not unique to a >specific quadrille, but can be called in any of them. > >(The waltz quadrille, it says here, is danced to a set of waltzes, and you >do the figures in the normal way but everybody waltzes around the set between >each figure, which might be why it's promiscuous.) > >Or maybe it just means that the book isn't really that well-organized. Looking into lesser-used senses of the definition of promiscuous: Promiscuous, [Latin, promiscuus; pro = forth and miscere = to mix] 1. mingled; consisting of elements united in a body or mass without order; confused; undistinguished; as, a promiscuous crowd or mass. "A wild, where weeds and flowers promiscuous shoot." -- Pope 2. Characterized by a lack of discrimination ... 3. Without plan or purpose; casual. The sense I've always had of the way this word was used in earlier times is more at casual or impromptu, a meadow as opposed to a carefully kept garden. Perhaps Hillgrove was making a statement about the class of folks he'd expect to find doing these figures. A bit like Ben Franklin, Mr. Natural, appearing in the French court "wearing his own hair," and being promiscuous in the more modern sense as well. Wishing I had an OED... Roger Diggle ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 19:25:14 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 22:24:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Sue Wartell Subject: Country Dance Weekend in Columbus OH in October To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <200004060224.WAA04286-AT- cas.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT You are cordially invited to The John Shaw 25th Anniversary Country Dance Weekend With Bare Necessities October 20-22, 2000 Location: OSU Student Union Ballroom 1739 N. High Street Columbus, OH 43210 To celebrate the 25th anniversary of English Country Dancing in Columbus, Ohio, and in honor of Mr. John Shaw, the Big Scioty Barn Dance, the Columbus English Country Dancers, and the Heather 'N' Thistle, Columbus Royal Scottish Dance Society are holding The John Shaw 25th Anniversary Country Dance Weekend. Come and share three great country dance traditions! Friday October 20 American Contra Dance 8-11 PM Caller: Joseph Pimentel Musicians: Peter Barnes and Mary Lea Saturday October 21 English Country Dance Workshops 10-12 AM and 1:30-4:00 PM Dances will be taught by Jacqueline Schwab Musicians: Bare Necessities English Country Dance Ball 8-11 PM All dances will be taught. Festive attire encouraged. Musicians: Bare Necessities Sunday October 22 Engish Country Dance Workshop 10-12 Noon. Dances will be taught by Jacqueline Schwab Musicians: Bare Necessities Scottish Country Dance 1:30-4:00 PM. Dances will be briefed; the program will be available on the web site and the flyer. Musicians: Earl Gaddis and Jacqueline Schwab Full weekend package $59 for registrations postmarked prior to October 5, 2000!! (After that date, the full weekend - all 6 sessions - will be $65.) To request a flyer with additional information and a registration form, please send a SASE to John Shaw 25th Anniversary Weekend, 410 Clinton Heights Avenue, Columbus, Ohio 43202. or visit our website , where full details and a printable registration form can be found. Contact me for more information It would be wonderful to meet more of the interesting people on this list - come and join us! ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 02:43:16 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 10:42:50 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Davis Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: A merrier time than ours To: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing CC: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Without wishing to set up a flame, this sounds very similar to my conception of Scottish dancing at the end of the 20th Century. "Proper", organised Dances are for those who know the dance, not for anybody. If you need talking through stay away. But there are gatherings where dances are walked through, the general public have a good time and people don't worry too much if things go wrong. Which would equate to Country dances in this context Peace Paul On Wed, 5 Apr 2000, Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote: > I have here Hillgrove's Ball-Room Guide, according to the title page ........ > > But here are the general words I wanted to quote: > > COUNTRY DANCES > > Country dances have become nearly obsolete in fashionable assemblies, but > are still in comparative favor at provincial balls and private parties. > They belong to a ruder age than ours, and were relished by a merrier people > than now move in the circles of fashion; they are characteristic of Merry > England in the olden time - of the cheerful, gay, and light-hearted, but > hold an inferior place in the programme of a modern assembly. > > Paul Davis Computer Teaching Officer Email: paul.davis-AT- oucs.ox.ac.uk Tel: 01865 283414 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 06:07:39 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 09:05:31 -0400 From: Joyce Crouch Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: A merrier time than ours To: "INTERNET:ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.Stanford.EDU" Message-ID: <200004060905_MC2-A024-9E65-AT- compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Roger Diggle wrote: >>>Looking into lesser-used senses of the definition of promiscuous: Promiscuous, [Latin, promiscuus; pro = forth and miscere = to mix] 1. mingled; consisting of elements united in a body or mass without order; confused; undistinguished; as, a promiscuous crowd or mass. "A wild, where weeds and flowers promiscuous shoot." -- Pope 2. Characterized by a lack of discrimination ... 3. Without plan or purpose; casual.<<< I too had pulled out my dictionary (Merriam-Webster 10th Collegiate) when I read Alan and Barbara's exchange. There I found under meanings #1 & especially #2 some light on what may have been meant by Hillgrove: 1: composed of all sorts of persons or things 2: not restricted to one class, sort, or person I would guess Hillgrove meant a bunch of miscellaneous dance figures, not all in the same category. I know...not a sexy interpretation. But it makes sense to me. The whole phenomenon of how words' meanings change over time is a fascinating one. For instance, how many people would accept the 10th Edition (1993!) meaning #3 of promiscuous 3: not restricted to one sexual partner if they've restricted themselves, say, to two such partners? Oh, those reactionary dictionary editors! delighted to have lots of dance partners, and equally glad to claim only one of the other kind, Joyce Crouch Amherst, MA ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 07:29:05 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 10:22:27 -0400 From: gaff-AT- neu.edu (Terence Gaffney) Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: dances of the stars To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU CC: rmont-AT- math.ucsc.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT It turns out that the stars can dance a straight hey for three. The movement of stars is descibed by Newton's laws of motions; when two stars move together they interact with each other and the kinds of motions that can occur are well understood. When three stars act together, the possible motions are still not well understood. Two mathematicians (Richard Montgomery,Alain Chenciner) recently showed that it is possible for three stars to move in a figure eight pattern. This pattern is even stable--if you could give one of the stars a small nudge it would fall back into the figue eight pattern. I got the report from the April 1 Science News, and there's more material at: http://orca.ucsc.edu/~rmont/index.html Astronomers still have to find three stars doing it though. If they do, it will be very pleasant to think of our patterns being echoed and echoing motion on a cosmic scale. Best, Terry ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 08:25:24 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 11:24:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Arnold Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: dances of the stars To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Thu, 6 Apr 2000, Terence Gaffney wrote: > It turns out that the stars can dance a straight hey for three. [snip] Two mathematicians (Richard > Montgomery,Alain Chenciner) recently showed that it is possible for three > stars to move in a figure eight pattern. This pattern is even stable--if > you could give one of the stars a small nudge it would fall back into the > figue eight pattern. [snip] > Astronomers still have to find three stars doing it though. Another question arises -- are there corresponding stable solutions for straight heys for four, five, ..., etc? And perhaps for circular heys? > If they do, it will be very pleasant to think of our patterns being echoed > and echoing motion on a cosmic scale. Gives new meaning and insight into _giving weight_ -- no wonder some of the heys are unstable -- the masses of the orbiting bodies don't always fall within the range for stability... I'm bringing a scales to our next workshop to make sure folks can find others they can dance the hey with... The bind moggles... ;-) Eric ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 09:21:15 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 17:20:33 +0100 From: Dr Paul Davis Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: dances of the stars To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: I have to wonder at the date of publication! From my very rusty Newton's and Kepler's Laws I think it might be significant:) Figure of 8 I might believe Paul On Thu, 06 Apr 2000 10:22:27 -0400 Terence Gaffney wrote: > It turns out that the stars can dance a straight hey for three. ...... > I got the report from the April 1 Science News, and there's > more material at: > http://orca.ucsc.edu/~rmont/index.html > > Astronomers still have to find three stars doing it though. .... ------------------- Dr Paul Davis paul.davis-AT- oucs.ox.ac.uk 01865 283414 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 09:30:02 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 11:29:38 -0500 (CDT) From: j-sivier-AT- ux1.cso.uiuc.edu Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Playford Ball in Urbana, IL, June 3 To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <200004061629.LAA09692-AT- staff1.cso.uiuc.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT The Central Illinois English Country Dancers Invite You To An E N G L I S H C O U N T R Y D A N C E P L A Y F O R D B A L L The Central Illinois English Country Dancers will be holding their fifth annual Playford Ball on Saturday, June 3, 2000. The dance will be held in room 314 of the Illini Student Union, 1401 W. Green, Urbana, IL, on the campus of the University of Illinois. There will be a review of the evening's dances from 7:00 to 8:00, followed by the Ball from 8:00 to 11:00 p.m. Fans and finery are encouraged. There will be a $5.00 suggested donation to help cover the cost of the Ball. All lovers of English Country dance and music are welcome. Dances Lead By: Jane Hobgood and Jonathan Sivier Music Provided By: The Flatland Consort Dance Review: 7:00 p.m. Playford Ball: 8:00 to 11:00 p.m. Date: Saturday, June 3, 2000 Location: Illini Union, room 314, 1401 W. Green, Urbana, IL Suggested Donation: $5.00 There will be refreshments at the break and a party following the dance. There will be a costume contest with a Top Couple (King and Queen of the Ball) being chosen. For further information contact Jonathan Sivier (j-sivier-AT- uiuc.edu) at 217/359-8225 or Jane Hobgood at 217/328-1708 or check the webpage at - http://www.prairienet.org/ciecd/playford.html Thanks for the support of the Champaign Park District and the International Folk Dance Society. For those who are interested, the Urbana Country Dancers will be holding a contra dance on Friday, June 2, from 8 to 11 p.m. at the Phillip's Recreation Center in Urbana. The band will be Stringdancer from St. Louis and the caller will be Chris Bischoff from Louisville. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Jonathan Sivier |Q: How many angels can dance on the | | j-sivier-AT- uiuc.edu | head of a pin? | | Flight Simulation Lab |A: It depends on what dance you call. | | Beckman Institute | | | 405 N. Mathews | SWMDG - Single White Male | | Urbana, IL 61801 | Dance Gypsy | | Work: 217/244-1923 | | | Home: 217/359-8225 | Have shoes, will dance. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Home page URL: http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/j-sivier | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 09:54:37 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 09:53:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: dances of the stars To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20000406165359.773.qmail-AT- web3301.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --- Eric Arnold wrote: > Another question arises -- are there corresponding stable > solutions for > straight heys for four, five, ..., etc? And perhaps for > circular heys? > Sometimes I wonder if there is even a stable solution for a gypsy or a swing. > from Terence Gaffney: > > If they do, it will be very pleasant to think of our > patterns being echoed > > and echoing motion on a cosmic scale. > Isn't it the other way around?? We are echoing the movements of nature that existed long before our instant in the timeline of the universe. Have you ever watched two vultures circling overhead?? > Gives new meaning and insight into _giving weight_ -- no > wonder some of > the heys are unstable -- the masses of the orbiting bodies > don't always > fall within the range for stability... I'm bringing a scales > to our next > workshop to make sure folks can find others they can dance the > hey with... > Even two (or three) masses of nearly equal weight have to work together. I have a couple of friends that can do a wonderful turning waltz for three with me because we work together in complete balance. > The bind moggles... ;-) > It certainly does... Andy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 10:12:36 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 10:12:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: A merrier time than ours To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20000406171203.13306.qmail-AT- web3305.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --- Paul Davis wrote: > Without wishing to set up a flame, this sounds very similar to > my > conception of Scottish dancing at the end of the 20th Century. > "Proper", > organised Dances are for those who know the dance, not for > anybody. If > you need talking through stay away. > But there are gatherings where dances are walked through, the > general > public have a good time and people don't worry too much if > things go > wrong. Which would equate to Country dances in this context > Even though I have danced for about 35 years and am considered a very good dancer, there are many dances I do not know well enough to do them without a brief walk-through. (For me a talk-through only goes in one ear and out the other; it doesn't compute.) There are also many more dances I have never even heard of before. Except in the context of a polished performance group, to have a dance where everyone is expected to have every dance committed to memory is absurd and belittling to even the best dancers. In a discussion I had many years ago with Christine Helwig, she equated a ball with no talk-throughs with "the final exam." I must say, I'm not yet ready for it. Andy in Portland __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 10:16:25 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 13:15:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Chicoqueen-AT- aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: A merrier time than ours To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 4/5/2000 3:24:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, winston-AT- SLAC.Stanford.EDU writes: > "As they are no longer fashionable, it is unnecessary to > give additional descriptions of them" Ah, but notice the author's description of Chorus Jig in the same section: He mentions the figure contra corners as though everyone in 1863 knew them well -- as well as most folks today know the do-si-do -- and I bet you anything they did! Keep in mind Thos. Hornbeck had a vested, professional motivation for luring folks away from the dances everyone knew from childhood, and into his classrooms. Ah, the perils of a market-driven society, eh? Taking increasingly precious time out from converting her van (and otherwise getting ready to go on sabbatical) to read this listserv, Reine Wonite ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 10:17:35 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 13:16:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Chicoqueen-AT- aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: A merrier time than ours - correction To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <49.26a81e5.261e2082-AT- aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Oops -- I meant to say "Hillgrove", not Hornbeck. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 11:12:45 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 11:12:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: A merrier time than ours To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20000406181222.8816.qmail-AT- web3304.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --- Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote: > Barbara Ruth noted: > > >--- Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing > > >wrote: > > >> I have here Hillgrove's Ball-Room Guide, > >> > >> I'll pass quickly over ... the section entitled > >> "Promiscuous Figures", > > >Oh sure, Alan. Whet our curiousity and then leave us > hanging. > > > Actually, my curiousity is left hanging too, and I can only > speculate. > > The table of contents lists "Promiscuous Figures" in the third > part of the > book, which describes the quadrille and the first set or plain > quadrille. > > Then these figures: > > Hands all Round > Right and Left all Round > A Final Figure > Basket Figure > Cheat and Jig > March Figure > Gavot > Minuet > Star Figure > Balance to the Right > Moulinet > Allemand > Holubiec > Dos-a-Dos > The Waltz Quadrille > > It might mean that any or all of these figures can be done in any indescriminate order. My Scandinavian performance group has a number of Danish quadrilles that we do. These dances have a large number of figures that can be done in any order. We have certain figures that we do with each dance. We try not to do more than one of quadrille in any performance because these dances can be very similar except for the chorus figure and we sometimes mix up which figures we intended to do. Andy in Portland __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 12:16:22 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 14:14:33 -0500 From: Paul Stamler Subject: St. Louis English Country Dancers' Playford Ball, 5/20/2000 To: ecd list Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <007501bf9ffc$5a158d00$a398adce-AT- pstamler> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT The St. Louis English Country Dancers will give their annual Playford Ball from 8:00-11:00 p.m. on Saturday, May 20, 2000. The Ball will take place at the Monday Club, 37 S. Maple (at Cedar), in Webster Groves, MO. Dance leader is Peter Wollenberg, possibly with surprise guests; music will be provided by the Original Speckled Band. The cost is $15.00 per person, $25.00 per couple, $30.00 per family. Fancy dress (your definition) is encouraged but not required; please bring snacks and finger food for the midbreaks. All dances will be walked through; dancers of all skill levels are welcome. Along with the Playford Ball, in addition to our regular monthly dance on Monday, April 24th, there will be a special dance on Monday, May 8th, which will focus on dances to be done at the Ball. Both of these dances will be held at our regular location, St. Augustine's Episcopal Church, 7039 Bruno (off McCausland), in Maplewood, more or less. Admission to these dances is $5.00 per person, $9.00 per couple, $10.00 per family. Snacks are welcome here too. For further information or directions, please call Paul at 314-664-9207 or e-mail: pstamler-AT- aol.com We look forward to seeing you! ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 21:09:57 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 21:11:45 -0700 From: paul/victoria bestock Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Cascadia ECD weekend To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000406211145.0084c1d0-AT- oz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT There is still time to register for Seattle's Third Occasional CASCADIA ENGLISH COUNTRY DANCE WEEKEND April 29-30 Join us for another weekend of great music and great dancing! Scott Higgs will be the guest teacher. Lynn Warschauer will organize our splendid musicians. There will four workshops on Saturday, a gala Saturday night dance, and a workshop and final dance on Sunday. For detailed information about schedule, and for registration information, see the web page http://www.oz.net/~bestockp/cascadia.html This will be a fragrance free event, so please follow the link to the web page for more detailed info on this. http://www.oz.net/~bestockp/fragrancecopy.html More questions? Then contact Paul Bestock, 206-329-7289 bestockp-AT- oz.net Check out our WEB site, at http://www.oz.net/~bestockp/ Read about our trip to the Rockies..... See the portfolio from Northwest New Year's Camp..... ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 04:53:22 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 07:52:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Tideswell-AT- aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: A merrier time than ours To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <42.3c83e88.261f2614-AT- aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT >Cheat and Jig Certainly sounds promiscuous to *me* ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 05:57:03 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 05:56:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Barbara Ruth Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: A merrier time than ours To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20000407125639.19835.qmail-AT- web1606.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --- Tideswell-AT- aol.com wrote: > >Cheat and Jig > > Certainly sounds promiscuous to *me* Not to mention "Hands all Round". ;) ===== Do you know about the Hunger Site? Sponsors of the hunger site donate money to the United Nations World Food Programme for every visitor to the site. No purchases - all you do is click on the site. Visit http://www.thehungersite.com to help fight world hunger. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 09:06:34 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 11:04:42 -0500 From: Paul Stamler Subject: Oops To: ecd list Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <006001bfa0ab$001cc340$ca96adce-AT- pstamler> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi folks: A small correction. In posting the notice of the St. Louis English Country Dancers' Playford Ball on May 20th, I said the cost was "$15/person, $25/couple, $30/family". Make that "$35/family". My apologies. Peace. Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 09:24:19 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 11:22:33 -0500 From: Paul Stamler Subject: Re: A merrier time than ours To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <00c201bfa0ad$7b6583a0$ca96adce-AT- pstamler> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <20000407125639.19835.qmail-AT- web1606.mail.yahoo.com> <<> >Cheat and Jig > > Certainly sounds promiscuous to *me* Not to mention "Hands all Round". ;) >> Or of course "Cuckolds All in a Row". Peace. Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 11:27:24 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 11:29:06 -0700 From: paul/victoria bestock Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: A merrier time than ours To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000407112906.00849100-AT- oz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <20000407125639.19835.qmail-AT- web1606.mail.yahoo.com> Dam It, I Care not for These Ladies who seek the Pleasures of the Town. I Confesse I have been a Virtuous Wife with My American Husband for 30 years. Indeed we are a Happy Pair, enjoying Constancy and Mutual Love. I recommend to any Bashful Swain the Installation of the motto "We'll Wed and We'll Bed" for his own Heartsease. Victoria Bestock, the Dancing Wife of Paul Bestock for 30 years. At 11:22 AM 4/7/2000 -0500, you wrote: ><<> >Cheat and Jig >> >> Certainly sounds promiscuous to *me* > >Not to mention "Hands all Round". ;) >> > >Or of course "Cuckolds All in a Row". > >Peace. >Paul > > > Check out our WEB site, at http://www.oz.net/~bestockp/ Read about our trip to the Rockies..... See the portfolio from Northwest New Year's Camp..... ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 13:59:27 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 16:50:02 -0400 From: gaff-AT- neu.edu (Terence Gaffney) Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: NEFFA Bookends To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Dear Friends, If you're coming to NEFFA, I hope you'll enjoy our hospitality at two special Wednesday evenings, one on either side of NEFFA. On April 12, starting at 7:30 at the Park Avenue Church in Arlington, we'll have our Annual pre-NEFFA party. Our parties this year have been high energy events (we had 70+ at our "Good Bye to Winter" Dance). On April 19 we'll have Susan Kevra making her debut as a leader at our Wednesday series. Susan is well known in the New England area as a contra caller; I'm grateful to Colin Hume for pointing out her talents as an English leader as well. Susan's appearance is another first for the Boston Centre; we plan to spotlight a regional caller each year at our Wednesday series, starting with Susan. Any list members who would like to nominate someone for next year are encouraged to write to me privately. Best, Terry Gaffney ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 20:14:04 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 20:13:33 -0700 From: Ric Goldman Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: The dance column in the CDSS News To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <000101bfa108$6c5540c0$2800000a-AT- rgoldman> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Folks, Just to prove that the thread isn't dead until it's dead... :-) First, I too want to applaud Bruce for the great job and effort in editing the dance column. It *is* harder than it looks, and knowing Bruce, a lot of thought went into the ongoing process. I do have some thoughts with regards to the comments on criteria (often not answers, just considerations and questions). > * Give exposure to meritorious but little-known dances (both old > and new) and their devisors (especially those in my end of the > country. [snip] This is definitely a worthwhile goal, both in terms of providing access to folks who/dances that wouldn't normally have more than local exposure, or as a way to help disseminate those to a wider potential audience. It also can encourage new creativity within our community. > * Use the column's implicit endorsement to remind readers of the > value of simple dances. This is the only goal I had in mind going > in; I thought I could redress what I saw as an imbalance toward > flowy, complex dances. I have to admit that I'd prefer more of a balanced approach. I personally agree to finding charm in both ends of the spectrum. However, (and please forgive the analogy) I'm a little uncomfortable with establishing a quota system of type of dances. Should a [potentially] good dance be not published because it's not simple enough? Simple for 1st timers, for experienced? There's a lot of different potential audiences and tastes. Maybe the answer is to run two different queues - one for simple, one for complex - but then what becomes the criteria for when something is one vs the other. (On the other hand, I suspect this may be moot given the other criteria of wanting a mix of sources and styles. I do mean to be overly critical or hairsplitting here. I do feel that sometimes we don't always know how a dance will be received without "air play". I recently wrote a dance which I thought was intuitively obvious, only to find that it took a long time to teach. Once learned, people said it was easy to follow and remember; just hard to get past that first time. In another case, something I thought of as more difficult was picked up quickly and almost without effort. > * Fast-track dances that deserve rapid exposure. I thought the > reception that "Sarah" was getting earned it a place, even though > Gary planned to put it into his next book. I agree that publication is a great way to help distribute these, often faster than just a person bringing something back from a festival or camp. With that in mind, I'd want to encourage those dances that might not as easily get "out there" as quickly. I like having the column as another resource, sometimes presenting items I might not have seen otherwise. > * Set an example by including as much background material as > possible and always assigning credit. This probably goes > unnoticed, but I believe every little action helps, and inaction > definitely hurts. It's not unnoticed, and it's definitely appreciated. It's also a interesting challenge given all the evolution or reinterpretation a dance may go thru between inception (or first record of it) and the form it takes when it get to the editor. > * In publishing "Sally," the problem was the opposite of too > little exposure: everyone had a copy of the dance, nearly all of > them informally-collected (Nicolas' reconstruction is little > circulated here in the States). I wanted to give everyone access > to Jacqueline's version. It was also a chance to get Walsh's > words in front of callers, and background material as well. This is a related challenge. With reconstruction or reinterpretation, who's version becomes published, and is publishing in CDSS more than just an implicit endorsement? Is it something that makes for an "official" version of the dance (or connotation of same). It's also can be a question of scholarship vs popularity. If dance X was written originally with instructions A, but has been reconstructed by someone else with instructions B, but the currently popular version from the last few years uses instructions C, which is the "right" one to publish? Do we pick one, but include references about the others? Do we make a best guess? And what's the impact of that dance version when presented by CDSS. [snip] > Similarly, my rejection criteria got developed on the fly: [snip] > * The tune is taken. Someone submitted a dance set to "Miss > Gordon of Gight." It's an interesting dance, but I regard the > tune as belonging now to Easter Morn. First, the disclaimer - I'm the one who submitted the dance Turnabout not being aware of Easter Morn, its use of the same tune. I don't buy tune as criteria sufficient to reject something by itself. Yes, in ECD there's more of a tendency to associate a dance with a tune than say in Contra, but I don't see tunes as "real estate" to be staked out. If this were the case, we might have to toss a lot of Colin Hume's and other's work out on that basis. In addition, I seen multiple tunes used for the same dance or vice versa (my favorite substitution is the use of "Lilliburlero" for Mage on a Cree). Yes, there's sometimes a risk of confusion, but calling (and/or disclosure) can usually address that. We often have the same problem with different variations of a dance (the 3 versions of Ashford Anniversary, and 4 of Newcastle come to mind quickly) with or without the same music. (I recall a very embarassing moment calling a dance out of town when I discovered in the middle of it that the musicians used an alternate B in a tune which had different counts, so the dancers were used to a slightly different sequence. Needless to say, I *always* check with the musicians, now). :-) Granted, it's a tough call. Who came first? Which is more danceable? Which is the "right" one, or does that vary over time? Is it a matter of using the same tune, or simply for using the same tune as another dance also published in the newsletter? Is something really a new dance or just a reinterpretation? Should these be criteria? Are there other considerations? Final disclaimer - I have since danced Easter Morn and I do like it - I just like mine better. :-) [snip] > So... what do you think about this? > * What purposes are served by a column like this one? I think Jonathan's points about access and influence are spot-on. In addition, it's another way of helping to connect us all, beyond just are immediate local. It's always stimulating to remember this happens more than just around the corner, and usually there's a lot of tasty stuff for the palette out there. > * What should the acceptance criteria be? This is a real hard one to chew. On the one hand, you don't want to publish just anything. On the other hand, picking a choosing is likely to be subjective at best. However, excepting the tune issue, I tend to agree with all of Bruce's criteria (considerations notwithstanding) as guidelines. There's been some talk of the column being some for the composer to aspire to. If we're going to take that on, we probably ought accompany with how-to materials to encourage the would-be composer. Descriptions of what makes a good dance (even if it's one person's or group's opinion - that *is* why the editor is making the big bucks, yes?). On the other hand, it fight be fodder for ongoing discussions on the ECD list as well. > * If the editor does more than pick from what comes in -- asks > people who haven't submitted dances, looks for dances with no > champion to submit them -- what should he/she look for? Where > should he/she look? Perhaps we should also approach this the other way around. Rather than just making it the editor job to go looking, let's advertise the column or encourage submissions to the editor. Periodically asking local leaders to pass on new dances or to "be" that champion might also help. A question I wonder is, is the editor hurting for submissions, or deluged with too many, now? [snip] Finally, thanx and a hat tip to Bruce for making us think about such issues. As always, it's good food for thought and good conversation after dances. Thanx, Ric Goldman timelord01-AT- sprynet.com http://connect.to/ric ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 08:47:45 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 11:45:01 -0400 From: Colin Hume <100116.165-AT- compuserve.com> Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: NEFFA Bookends To: ECD Mailing List Message-ID: <200004091146_MC2-A05C-8BB-AT- compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Message text written by Terry Gaffney >On April 19 we'll have Susan Kevra making her debut as a leader at our >Wednesday series. Susan is well known in the New England area as a contra >caller; I'm grateful to Colin Hume for pointing out her talents as an >English leader as well. I'm very pleased to hear about this. There has been considerable discussion recently comparing dancing in England with dancing in the States, and it's true that in the States "English" and "Contra" are usually kept well apart, whereas in England we mix the two in an evening quite happily (and throw in some English Traditional as well). Similarly callers and musicians in the States seem to be pigeonholed into either one category or the other, though there are some notable exceptions: Peter Barnes, Mary Lea, Scott Higgs, and many others that I've never heard of. I was calling at Buffalo Gap in 1998 and suggested to Tony Parkes that as I had called a couple of American Squares at the American Night, he might like to call a couple of English dances at the English Night. He was amazed at the thought that he could call an English dance - but of course he could (and eventually did); he's a superb caller. I love calling American Squares, but in the States I'm seen as an English caller and people sometimes object on their evaluation forms that I've strayed out of my "proper" territory. And yet no-one tells Helene Cornelius that as an American woman she should be calling squares and contras! Let's try for a bit more flexibility. I've seen Susan teaching English at the Augusta Dance Week (and in England!), and calling squares and contras in various places, and she's great at both. Colin Hume ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 10:30:02 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 13:29:26 -0400 (EDT) From: CF1125-AT- aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: NEFFA Bookends To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3c.27d7880.262217f6-AT- aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 4/9/00 11:48:39 AM, you wrote: <> Colin, you are a superb caller of American-style dances, and I would be delighted to dance to your calling here any time! Carl Friedman ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 14:12:26 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 17:11:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Punxeguda-AT- aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Dancing in Oz??? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I posted the question about Dancing in Australia to my Rovers List (Celtic music oriented list dedicated to Silly Wizard, celtic music, chocolate, and silliness). One of our people in New Zealand sent me these sites which may be of use: -------------------------------------------- FOLK ALLIANCE: http://www.folkalliance.org.au FOLK AUSTRALIA: http://folk.mountaintracks.com.au/Folk_Australia/ email: thefolk-AT- mountaintracks.com.au HOUSE CONCERTS: http://acoustic.mountaintracks.com.au/house.concerts/ email: concerts-AT- mountaintracks.com.au JIM LOW: http://folk.mountaintracks.com.au/Jim_Low/ email: jimlow-AT- mountaintracks.com.au THE SHED: http://theshed.mountaintracks.com.au/ email: shed-AT- mountaintracks.com.au ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 11:38:27 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:36:20 -0500 From: Paul Stamler Subject: Change of Address To: ecd list Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <005201bfa31b$ae9666c0$8896adce-AT- pstamler> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi folks: In case any of you need to reach me off-list, my new address is pstamler-AT- atdial.net. Thanks! Peace. Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:01:45 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 19:54:23 +0100 From: Paul Sartin Subject: announcement To: ECD Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <38F2235F.982A452-AT- attglobal.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT BELSHAZZAR'S FEAST in conjunction with WILDGOOSE RECORDS & ANDREW SHAW PRODUCTIONS present Mr Kynaston's Famous Dance 12 Dance Tunes from The Nathaniel Kynaston Collection (1709-28) and The Beggar's Opera (1728) Accompanied Andrew Shaw's Manual of the same name, containing Dance steps & Facsimiles and Transcriptions of the Music The Dances The Merry Conclusion: or, Mr. Kynaston's Famous Dance Blenheim House The Queen Of Hearts Lille Count Leon Wou'd You Have A Young Virgin Paston's Maggot Old Simon The King Neat, Mr. John Cupid Disarm'd Bonny Grey-Ey'd Morn Woodstock Park Each is played through a suitable number of rounds for dancing. Album release date 15th April at St George's Day Dance English Folk Dance and Song Society, Cecil Sharp House, Regent's Park Road, London Mr Kynaston's Famous Dance (WGS298CD) - £12.00 _________________________ Paul Sartin MA (Oxon) LRSM May Cottage, Wherwell, Hampshire, SP11 7JS Tel/fax: +44 (0) 1264 860791 Mobile: +44 (0) 411 485798 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:18:50 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:18:24 -0400 From: "Albert A. Blank" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: announcement To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU, psartin-AT- attglobal.net Message-ID: <38F22900.B244C39F-AT- sprintmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT References: <38F2235F.982A452-AT- attglobal.net> Paul Sartin wrote (in part): > Mr Kynaston's Famous Dance (WGS298CD) - £12.00 Dear Paul, How can we order this from the opposite side of the pond? -- Albert Blank e-mail: fandango-AT- sprintmail.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:41:03 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 20:33:40 +0100 From: Paul Sartin Subject: Re: announcement To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <38F22C94.244B948E-AT- attglobal.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT References: <38F2235F.982A452-AT- attglobal.net> <38F22900.B244C39F-AT- sprintmail.com> "Albert A. Blank" wrote: > Paul Sartin wrote (in part): > > > Mr Kynaston's Famous Dance (WGS298CD) - £12.00 > > Dear Paul, > How can we order this from the opposite side of the pond? > > -- > Albert Blank > e-mail: fandango-AT- sprintmail.com Thanks for your message. It'll be available from Sidestreet/Elderly shortly. . . Also, we'll be at Between the Bays and Pinewoods E&A camps. Paul. _________________________ Paul Sartin MA (Oxon) LRSM May Cottage, Wherwell, Hampshire, SP11 7JS Tel/fax: +44 (0) 1264 860791 Mobile: +44 (0) 411 485798 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:53:23 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 20:11:00 -0400 From: Allison M Thompson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Promiscuity in the Dance To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20000410.201109.-474057.5.AllisonThompson-AT- juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I've been thinking about promiscuity. Not mine (little to tell) but in reference to the mention last week from (I think) Hillgrove's Dance Manual (submitted by I forget whom)...the implication I think was that country dances, quadrilles, even waltzes, etc., were all "promiscuous" dances. Depending on the age of the original author, he might have been thinking about the distinction between a dance such as a minuet (performed even in the first couple of decades of the 1800s, especially at more out-moded events outside of London) which would be performed only 1) after application to the M.C. (last half of 18th cent.) and 2) only if the 2 participants were deemed to be of equal rank (and,. more rarely if at all, ability). In the early 18th century, the rules of ranking of who danced with whom were quite complex. The minuet was thus the antithesis of "promiscuous." The country dance, on the other hand, was recognized by the more class-conscious French early in the 18th century as being almost shockingly democratic: everyone danced the same figures in the same way with everyone else (and sometimes even with the servants, if, as in the country, they had trouble making up a set). And in an ECD (or a waltz or a quadrille), a man chose his own partner, rather than having the choice pre-ordained by rank. Thus, all of these kinds of dances permitted easy and genial social intercourse. In fact, in the mid-1800s, one can find complaints (especially in revivalist-influenced America) by people (such as Louisa May Alcott) who find a dance-game like the "German" cotillion to be too promiscious and not appropriate for public events--since all within the magic circle of the cotillion are considered to be introduced, whether they ought to have been or not. Her heroines never dance the German, though they love the jolly old contra dances. I expect all of the above is obvious to the readers of this list, but it seemed brilliant to me while driving home today. Allison ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 22:18:37 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 22:18:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Promiscuity in the Dance To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20000411051812.2912.qmail-AT- web3305.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --- Allison M Thompson wrote: > The country dance, on the other hand, was recognized by the > more > class-conscious French early in the 18th century as being > almost > shockingly democratic: everyone danced the same figures in > the same way > with everyone else (and sometimes even with the servants, if, > as in the > country, they had trouble making up a set). And in an ECD (or > a waltz or > a quadrille), a man chose his own partner, rather than having > the choice > pre-ordained by rank. I don't know if this was true in the 18th century, but it is not true if you are talking about the waltz, which did not evolve until the early 19th century. The rules of etiquette (in "proper" society circles) in the mid-19th century were that a gentleman never asked a lady to dance unless they had been properly introduced. It was up to the hostess at a dance to make sure that people had proper introductions. If a gentleman wanted to dance with a certain lady, he went to the hostess to request an introduction. Even if they danced together during an evening, it was rude and vulgar to converse if they passed on the street the next day. People might get the wrong idea. The waltz and polka were only danced by young single people; if you were married you were restricted to dancing the more proper contras and quadrilles. Andy in Portland __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 00:12:35 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:13:53 +0200 From: Philippe Callens Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: announcement To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <38F2D0B1.F0920764-AT- uia.ua.ac.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT References: <38F2235F.982A452-AT- attglobal.net> Paul Sartin wrote: > BELSHAZZAR'S FEAST > in conjunction with > WILDGOOSE RECORDS & ANDREW SHAW PRODUCTIONS > present > > Mr Kynaston's Famous Dance > 12 Dance Tunes from The Nathaniel Kynaston Collection (1709-28) and The > > Beggar's Opera (1728) > Accompanied Andrew Shaw's Manual of the same name, containing > Dance steps & Facsimiles and Transcriptions of the Music > > The Dances > > The Merry Conclusion: or, Mr. Kynaston's Famous Dance > Blenheim House > The Queen Of Hearts > Lille > Count Leon > Wou'd You Have A Young Virgin > Paston's Maggot > Old Simon The King > Neat, Mr. John > Cupid Disarm'd > Bonny Grey-Ey'd Morn > Woodstock Park > > Each is played through a suitable number of rounds for dancing. > > Album release date 15th April > at St George's Day Dance > English Folk Dance and Song Society, Cecil Sharp House, Regent's Park > Road, London > > Mr Kynaston's Famous Dance (WGS298CD) - £12.00 All these dances are great treasures, with wonderful tunes. I have danced several of them with Andrew and added some to my teaching repertoire. Certainly recommended! I can't wait to listen to the recordings. Thinking of Sally Shaw who said "you will be lying on the floor and crying when you'll hear Lille" ... Philippe Callens ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 07:53:01 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 11:14:00 -0400 From: Allison M Thompson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Promiscuity in the Dance To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20000411.111404.-461261.1.AllisonThompson-AT- juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I agree with your comments, below, but feel that they actually reinforce my point. It's true that in the early 19th century and at a large private or public assemly a gentleman had to ask his hostess (or the M.C.) for an introduction to the lady of his choice, but it still implies that he had a choice. And the hostess/M.C. had the choice of whether or not to accomodate his request, and the lady had the choice of deciding whether or not to develop a suddenly sprained ankle. In the strictest rules of the French court, all this dancing went on by rank alone & I think if it was your turn to stand up with the Dauphin, you did it, even if you loathed him. But behavior changes (both imperceptibly and erratically) over the years. In dear Miss Alcott's mid-century novel Rose In Bloom, for example, one of the heroine's male cousins asks Rose herself (not her guardian or hostess) if he can introduce another young man to her, and Rose declines emphatically, since the fellow drinks and is fast. By the late nineteenth century, some American etiquette writers say that it is ok to approach a girl directly, as it is assumed that the hostess will not invite anyone to her house whom it would be improper for the girl to meet. I am curious about your belief that the waltz & polka were restricted to the young & single (after all, the waltz was debuted at Almacks by the Countess Lieven & Cupid Palmerston, and she, at least, was married). I don't recall seeing any sweeping pronouncements of this sort. On the other hand, perhaps when these new dances "came in," some older folks didn't care to put themselves back in the hands of the dancing master to learn them, and so they didn't perform them, though they could have. I think that sometimes these kind of statements like "no one dances the redowa any more" or whatever are made by one writer/critic in one place at one time & are not necessarily generalizeable to all classes of society in all places. (Undoubtedly my own generalizations, above, could fit into this category!) My final impression is that middle-class, mid-18th century America, with its revivalist fervor, had some stricter conventions than New York, Paris or London. Allison On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 22:18:12 -0700 (PDT) Andrew Peterson writes: > --- Allison M Thompson wrote: > > The country dance, on the other hand, was recognized by the > > more > > class-conscious French early in the 18th century as being > > almost > > shockingly democratic: everyone danced the same figures in > > the same way > > with everyone else (and sometimes even with the servants, if, > > as in the > > country, they had trouble making up a set). And in an ECD (or > > a waltz or > > a quadrille), a man chose his own partner, rather than having > > the choice > > pre-ordained by rank. > > I don't know if this was true in the 18th century, but it is not > true if you are talking about the waltz, which did not evolve > until the early 19th century. The rules of etiquette (in > "proper" society circles) in the mid-19th century were that a > gentleman never asked a lady to dance unless they had been > properly introduced. It was up to the hostess at a dance to make > sure that people had proper introductions. If a gentleman wanted > to dance with a certain lady, he went to the hostess to request > an introduction. Even if they danced together during an evening, > it was rude and vulgar to converse if they passed on the street > the next day. People might get the wrong idea. The waltz and > polka were only danced by young single people; if you were > married you were restricted to dancing the more proper contras > and quadrilles. > > Andy in Portland > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:35:34 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:32:16 -0400 From: Patricia Ruggiero Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: FW: dance for one couple To: English Dance CC: GIR-AT- grs.de Message-ID: <000401bfa3db$e160b540$11d5bfa8-AT- MITRE.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hello to all, Can someone help Anja here? I seem to recall a "longways for one couple" dance appearing in the CDSS newsletter, probably between 1986 and 1989. Someone had devised it for those times when two people arrive early at a dance to find themselves the only ones there. Of course, if anyone knows of other such dances, please pass them on! Kindly copy any replies directly to Anja. Thanks from both of us. Pat -----Original Message----- From: Anja Girards [mailto:GIR-AT- grs.de] Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 4:10 AM To: Patricia Ruggiero Subject: RE: dance for one couple Hallo Pat, yes, most round the room are face to face with another couple, but in some you just dance with your partner and than change the partner(Canonbie Ceilidh, Swedish Masquerade). But you need an other person to go round, a next partner... Of course there is Gay Gardons....but I think that would be a little bit boring in an demonstration..... and not really SCD. "longways for one couple" sounds quite right. So if you could ask on the ECD list it would be very nice. Thank you, Anja Girards ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 12:15:31 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 12:14:52 -0700 From: Heyer Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: dance for one couple To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU, GIR-AT- grs.de Message-ID: <01bfa3ea$36b6fd20$8ceaadce-AT- default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Does "Handel With Care" count as longways? Marian Phillips >>I seem to recall a "longways for one couple" dance appearing in the CDSS newsletter, probably between 1986 and 1989. Someone had devised it for those times when two people arrive early at a dance to find themselves the only ones there. Of course, if anyone knows of other such dances, please pass them on!<< ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 12:17:03 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 12:16:29 -0700 From: Heyer Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: dance for one couple To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU, GIR-AT- grs.de Message-ID: <01bfa3ea$7098cc80$8ceaadce-AT- default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Oops, sorry, "Handel With Care" is for two couples, I misread the email. Marian ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:34:56 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:32:58 -0500 From: Paul Stamler Subject: A quote To: ecd list Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <004f01bfa3f5$215b2680$4996adce-AT- pstamler> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi folks: From a friend: "Last night I was reading selections from The Tatler and the Spectator (1709-1711 or 12) and I ran across this lovely reference, which is probably news to no one but me; the essay is a description of the members of the Spectator Club, but I'll only mention the 1st one: 'The first of our Society is a Gentleman of Worcestershire, of antient Descent, a Baronet, his Name Sir ROGER DE COVERLY. His great Grandfather was Inventor of that Famous Country-Dance which is call'd after him.'" --from The Spectator, No. 2 (Addison and Steele) Peace. Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:00:23 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:00:16 -0400 From: Sharon Green Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: dance for one couple To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU, GIR-AT- grs.de Message-ID: <4.1.20000411175733.01601390-AT- popserver.panix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT At 12:16 PM 4/11/00 -0700, Heyer wrote: >Oops, sorry, "Handel With Care" is for two couples, I misread the email. True. But with a little irreverence/irresponsibility/ingenuity/insanity, one can rewrite it for one couple: Handel W/O Care A Dance for One Couple Hysterical English Style Partner facing Partner 1st Part A Partners dance forward a double and fall back. Partners turn individually and dance away a double and fall back, turning at the last moment to face each other B1 1-4 Partners cast off into a line of two facing up. ^ M1 W1 ^ 5-8 As a couple, lead up a double and fall back, turning to take two hands as the phrase ends. B2 1-2 Partners two-hand turn once round. 3-4 All turn single right. Face partner and take a crossed-hands hold. 5-8 Partners crossed-hands turn skipping. (As the phrase ends, keep an eye on your partner and ease out for the next move.) 2nd Part A Partners side-by-side right Partners side by side left B1 & B2 As in Part 1 3rd Part A Partners arm with the right Partners arm with the left B1 & B2 As in Part 1 With love and/or apologies to Gary, Marian, et al. Clearly four straight weekends of Playford Balls has left my head in a very odd place. Sharon P.S. Anja, the one-couple dance Pat remembers may be something written by list-member Nic Broadbridge. If so, I expect he'll be writing to you shortly. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 19:34:05 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 20:24:26 -0500 (est) From: Gene Murrow Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: dance for one couple To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20000411.202549.-775773.9.gmurrow-AT- juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:00:16 -0400 Sharon Green writes: >... with a little > irreverence/irresponsibility/ingenuity/insanity, > one can rewrite it for one couple: > > Handel W/O Care > A Dance for One Couple > Hysterical English Style > > Partner facing Partner... >> > 1st Part > > A Partners dance forward a double and fall back. > Partners turn individually and dance away a double > and fall back, turning at > the last moment to face each other > B1 1-4 Partners cast off into a line of two facing up. > ^ M1 W1 ^ > 5-8 As a couple, lead up a double and fall back, > turning to take two hands as > the phrase ends... [much more 1-couple action, etc., etc.] Holy cow! You've discovered the origin of salsa and swing dancing!!! Gene Murrow ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Permanent address: - for your Address book ISP of the moment: - "Reply" button destination -------Either one works. Keep those electrons and phosphors coming!------- ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 07:15:36 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 09:15:06 -0500 From: Bob Borcherding Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: dance for one couple To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT on 4/11/00 2:14 PM, Heyer at Heyer-AT- concentric.net wrote: > Does "Handel With Care" count as longways? > > Marian Phillips > > >>> I seem to recall a "longways for one couple" dance appearing in the CDSS > newsletter, probably between 1986 and 1989. Someone had devised it for > those times when two people arrive early at a dance to find themselves the > only ones there. > > Of course, if anyone knows of other such dances, please pass them on!<< > > > The dance in CDSS was the "Early Bird's Maggot", longways for one couple, done to the tune of "The Alderman's Hat". I did not note who composed the dance. This is how I copied it into my database: 1st PART: A1 [1-4] Partners forward a back a double (facing); [5-8] Back-to-back (rt shoulder); A2 [1-4] Back-to-Back left shoulder; [5-8] Forward & back a double (facing); B1 [1-2] Lead up a double, taking right hands (4); [3-6] Lead down a double, twice (8); [7-8] Lead up a double, clapping 3 times (4); B2 [1-2] Lead to right wall a double, right hands (4); [3-6] Lead toward left wall a double, twice, with left hands (8); Lead toward right wall a double, clapping 3 times (4); 2nd PART: A1 [1-4] Side, right shoulders (8); [5-8] C. Sharp side (8); A2 [1-4] C. Sharp side (8); [5-8] Left shoulder side (8); B1 [1-2] 4 slips sideways, man up, woman down (4); [3-6] 8 slips, man down, woman up (8); [7-8] 4 slips, man up, woman down, clap 3 times (4); B2 [1-2] 4 slips to own wall (4); 8 slips to opposite's wall (8); 4 slips to own wall, clapping (4); 3rd PART: A1 [1-8] Arm right, right hand turn (16); A2 [1-8] Left hand turn, arm left (8); B1 [1-6] Slipping rign, 1&1/2 around (12); Stand, improper, clap 3 times (4); B2 [ 1-6] Pivot swing 1&1/2 around (12); Stand, improper, clap 3 times, and bow (4); -- Bob Borcherding, St. Louis, MO. gapbob-AT- stlnet.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:46:59 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:43:40 -0400 From: Patricia Ruggiero Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: dance for one couple To: English Dance Message-ID: <000301bfa4a6$a3ba5f90$8ad4bfa8-AT- MITRE.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Thanks to Sharon and Bob, the one for her inventive wit, the other for finding the specific dance of which I was thinking. Later in the day after I'd sent the request, I was folding laundry and mulling over the idea of a *longways for one couple* dance. Something was lurking in the back of my mind. Then it came to the fore: the almans and pavans are dances for one couple, danced in longways or processional style. To my mind, Handel without Care and Early Bird's Maggot are not that dissimilar to these older dances. I'm going to send Anja these two as well as a few dances from the Inns of Court manuscript. Pat ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 12:25:14 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 12:24:41 -0700 From: Heyer Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: dance for one couple To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <01bfa4b4$c0147d20$12eeadce-AT- default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sharon sez: >>Clearly four straight weekends of Playford Balls has left my head in a very odd place.<< Four weeks in a row? Are you still able to walk? Where were they? Marian ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:01:51 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 17:01:43 -0400 From: Sharon Green Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: dance for one couple To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <4.1.20000412164658.016c0440-AT- popserver.panix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT At 12:24 PM 4/12/00 -0700, Heyer wrote: >Sharon sez: >>>Clearly four straight weekends of Playford Balls has left my head in a >very odd place.<< > >Four weeks in a row? Are you still able to walk? Where were they? Larchmont NY [Country Dancers of Westchester], Oakland CA [BACDS], Binghamton NY {Binghamton Country Dancers--their first ball], and Brooklyn NY [Country Dance*New York]. Actually, a fair number of dance gypsies made 3 out of the 4 balls, and most still seem able to walk, though a few have strained cheek muscles from beaming so much. It was wonderful to get to see Alan Winston smoothly emcee a Bay Area Playford Ball (his first time), and then a week later to get to see Gary Roodman and Pam Goddard happily preside over their brand new, highly successful event. Still beaming-- Sharon ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 16:21:13 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 16:20:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Peterson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: dance for one couple To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <20000412232044.18659.qmail-AT- web3301.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT --- Patricia Ruggiero wrote: > Later in the day after I'd sent the request, I was folding > laundry and > mulling over the idea of a *longways for one couple* dance. > Something was > lurking in the back of my mind. Then it came to the fore: the > almans and > pavans are dances for one couple, danced in longways or > processional style. > > To my mind, Handel without Care and Early Bird's Maggot are > not that > dissimilar to these older dances. > Reel Nutmeg did a dance in one of the suites about 12-13 years ago called "New Bo-peep" or "Pickadilla". Norb Spencer introduced it to us. It is in Sharp, Book 2. It is listed as a longways for as many as will. You dance only with your partner except where the lines lead toward the womens wall and toward the mens wall (men's line chases the women then women's line chases the men). There is no progression. As many as will, in this case, can be as few as one couple. Jim Gregory wrote a dance (Two in the Hey) using the Newcastle tune that was for one couple. I remember it had a hey in it that had a ghost for the third person. I don't think he ever published it. I never really learned it as it was written when Reel Nutmeg was down to about 5 dancers, before I and a few others joined. Helen Davenport might still remember it as she was one of the members during the lean years. Andy in Portland OR __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 19:04:23 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 22:01:06 -0400 From: Patricia Ruggiero Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: dance for one couple To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <000201bfa4ec$210005f0$7bd5bfa8-AT- MITRE.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hey, Andy, thanks a bunch. I picked up the Sharp book and it opened right to The New Bo-Peep. Another one to send to Anja. Pat -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecd-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.Stanford.EDU [mailto:owner-ecd-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.Stanford.EDU]On Behalf Of Andrew Peterson Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 7:21 PM To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.Stanford.EDU Subject: Re: dance for one couple --- Patricia Ruggiero wrote: > Later in the day after I'd sent the request, I was folding > laundry and > mulling over the idea of a *longways for one couple* dance. > Something was > lurking in the back of my mind. Then it came to the fore: the > almans and > pavans are dances for one couple, danced in longways or > processional style. > > To my mind, Handel without Care and Early Bird's Maggot are > not that > dissimilar to these older dances. > Reel Nutmeg did a dance in one of the suites about 12-13 years ago called "New Bo-peep" or "Pickadilla". Norb Spencer introduced it to us. It is in Sharp, Book 2. It is listed as a longways for as many as will. You dance only with your partner except where the lines lead toward the womens wall and toward the mens wall (men's line chases the women then women's line chases the men). There is no progression. As many as will, in this case, can be as few as one couple. Jim Gregory wrote a dance (Two in the Hey) using the Newcastle tune that was for one couple. I remember it had a hey in it that had a ghost for the third person. I don't think he ever published it. I never really learned it as it was written when Reel Nutmeg was down to about 5 dancers, before I and a few others joined. Helen Davenport might still remember it as she was one of the members during the lean years. Andy in Portland OR __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 22:26:03 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 01:25:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Tideswell-AT- aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: a quote To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT In a message dated 4/12/00 9:01:09 AM, system-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes: >"Last night I was reading selections from The Tatler and the Spectator >(1709-1711 or 12) and I ran across this lovely reference, which is >probably news to no one but me; the essay is a description of the >members of the Spectator Club, but I'll only mention the 1st one: >'The first of our Society is a Gentleman of Worcestershire, of antient >Descent, a Baronet, his Name Sir ROGER DE COVERLY. His great >Grandfather was Inventor of that Famous Country-Dance which is call'd >after him.'" > --from The Spectator, No. 2 (Addison and Steele) > Ah, now here we're touching on a subject dear to me. I was given the collected Spectator for Christmas, and here is *my* favorite dance-related quote so far.... "But as the best institutions are liable to corruption, so, Sir, I must aquaint you, that very great abuses are crpet into this entertainment....They very often made use of a most impudent and lascivious step called 'Setting', which I know not how to describe to you, but by telling you it is the very reverse of 'Back to Back'." --from The Spectator, No 67, Thursday May 17, 1711. Attributed to Eustace Budgell How fashions in lasciviousness do change! Nilos ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 05:48:13 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 08:47:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Arnold Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: dance for one couple To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Wed, 12 Apr 2000, Patricia Ruggiero wrote: > Hey, Andy, thanks a bunch. I picked up the Sharp book and it opened right > to The New Bo-Peep. Another one to send to Anja. > > Pat Pat, if there are others than have already been posted to the list that you are sending on, could you post them to the list, too? I, at least, am interested in seeing more of what has been done in this form. Thanks! Eric ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 10:49:05 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:45:48 -0400 From: Patricia Ruggiero Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: dance for one couple To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <000001bfa570$1a5a29e0$d8d4bfa8-AT- MITRE.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hello, Eric, No, no others than the ones that have been discussed on this list: Handel without Care, Early Bird's Maggot, and almans from the Inns of Court manuscript (correctly entitled: Practise for Dauncing, by Patri Pugliese and Joseph Casazza. 1980. Cambridge, Mass.) If I'm not mistaken, Grays Inn Masque *almost* makes it into this category -- there's that pesky hey for three at the end. We can probably discover the same thing in other 17th c. whole-set dances. They've always struck me as being more like the earlier courtly dances -- little ballets -- than like the dances that would follow in the 18th c. Where is your interest in the "longways for one couple" dance leading? Pat -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecd-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.Stanford.EDU [mailto:owner-ecd-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.Stanford.EDU]On Behalf Of Eric Arnold Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 8:48 AM To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.Stanford.EDU Subject: RE: dance for one couple On Wed, 12 Apr 2000, Patricia Ruggiero wrote: > Hey, Andy, thanks a bunch. I picked up the Sharp book and it opened right > to The New Bo-Peep. Another one to send to Anja. > > Pat Pat, if there are others than have already been posted to the list that you are sending on, could you post them to the list, too? I, at least, am interested in seeing more of what has been done in this form. Thanks! Eric ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:09:24 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:08:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Arnold Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: dance for one couple To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Thu, 13 Apr 2000, Patricia Ruggiero wrote: [snip] > Where is your interest in the "longways for one couple" dance leading? Well, it reminded me initially of such a dance I saw done at Buffalo Gap one year before the main evening dance started, aid I was intrigued by the idea, but it was before I was writing all that sort of thing down. I could find it useful to have in my bag of tricks, too, since folks often drift in on the late side to some of the dances I lead, and this way I could get something started sooner to entertain those who do show up on time. It might also lead to an effort to supply a few more examples of that form, although I won't guarantee that they will all be "longways" -- some might be crossways, or circles, or diagonals... Eric ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:28:36 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:28:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Arnold Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: dance for one couple To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Come to think of it, John Tallis's Canon wouldn't make too bad a one-couple dance... Eric ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:15:04 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 17:19:25 -0400 From: Benjamin Stein Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: dance for one couple To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <38F639DC.960FC673-AT- globalnetisp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: Eric Arnold wrote: > Come to think of it, John Tallis's Canon wouldn't make too bad a > one-couple dance... > > Eric Marvelous: Dance it with first corner music but alternate positions between first corner and second corner positions and you can even include the progression. Love it! Ben Stein dancers-AT- globslnetisp.net ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:09:49 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:08:01 -0700 From: Heyer Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: a quote To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <01bfa594$bbabbb00$b5eaadce-AT- default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Tideswell writes: >>a most impudent and lascivious step called 'Setting', << You know, this makes me wonder if we're doing setting wrong. Is this another one of those cases where Sharp came up with an interpretation that basically invented a new move because he didn't know what he was doing? Or did Sharp simply decide "No lascivious move shall pass" and knowingly make something up? I mean, sure, fashions in lasciviousness change, but usually you can still see what they were on about, and I totally fail to see how anyone could attach the word "lascivious" to setting. "Silly," perhaps; "doofy," perhaps; but lascivious? On the other hand, I've never had a real live person actually explain setting to me, so maybe *I'm* doing it wrong. But on yet another hand, when I look at what other people are doing on the dance floor, I'm still not seeing lascivious. Perhaps it's time for English country dance to reclaim its native lasciviousness. I hope the academics will get on the stick about this and start publishing monographs on the subject soon. Marian ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:21:20 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 18:20:44 -0400 From: "Michael L. Siemon" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: a quote To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU CC: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <01bfa594$bbabbb00$b5eaadce-AT- default> At 3:08 PM -0700 4/13/00, Heyer wrote: >Tideswell writes: > >>a most impudent and lascivious step called 'Setting', << > >You know, this makes me wonder if we're doing setting wrong. Well, with a decide impulse (a la Sharp's style of movement), a setting forward and then back (which seems to be part of the usual movement -- Fried has to specifically warn dancers when she wants the setting to retain the distance of the positions), the setting is the next thing to a threatened stolen kiss (and could, perhaps, be ornamented by carrying through the threat.) Michael ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:21:23 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 18:20:44 -0400 From: "Michael L. Siemon" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: a quote To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU CC: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <01bfa594$bbabbb00$b5eaadce-AT- default> At 3:08 PM -0700 4/13/00, Heyer wrote: >Tideswell writes: > >>a most impudent and lascivious step called 'Setting', << > >You know, this makes me wonder if we're doing setting wrong. Well, with a decide impulse (a la Sharp's style of movement), a setting forward and then back (which seems to be part of the usual movement -- Fried has to specifically warn dancers when she wants the setting to retain the distance of the positions), the setting is the next thing to a threatened stolen kiss (and could, perhaps, be ornamented by carrying through the threat.) Michael ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 17:09:28 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:09:01 -0500 (EST) From: Mary Railing Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Inns of Court mss. To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Thu, 13 Apr 2000, Patricia Ruggiero wrote: > Hello, Eric, > > No, no others than the ones that have been discussed on this list: Handel > without Care, Early Bird's Maggot, and almans from the Inns of Court > manuscript (correctly entitled: Practise for Dauncing, by Patri Pugliese and > Joseph Casazza. 1980. Cambridge, Mass.) Actually the "Inns of Court manuscripts" are a group of short manuscripts (law students' notes) containing brief descriptions of dances, mostly almans, dating from the late 16th to late 17th c. There have been several editions of this material over the years by various people. These dances, while they could be performed by one couple, were probably intended for a group of couples. However, many renaissance dances, especially those from Italian sources, were intended for a solo couple. --Mary Railing ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:19:53 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:16:35 -0400 From: Patricia Ruggiero Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: Inns of Court mss. To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <000c01bfa5b7$755e5d60$d8d4bfa8-AT- MITRE.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Mary, Thank you for your note. I should have been clearer about this source. I merely meant that Practise for Dauncing was the title of a book of selected reconstructed dances by Patri, not wanting Eric to think I actually possessed the Inns of Court mss. Practise for Dauncing is not, of course, the *correct* title for these mss. This thread started as a result of a request from a person in Denmark for a dance for one couple. I made further inquiries as to what exactly was wanted, eliminating such obvious one-couple dances as waltzes and polkas. The reply was that a longways-for-one-couple "sounds quite right." And almans and pavans are just that. So, yes, while they were intended for a group of people, it is still true that only one couple is required in order to perform all the figures (a single-minor, if you will!). Given what Anja wants these for, I suspect that the true solo dances would be too much. I think the simple figures of the alman will show nicely when demonstrated by just the one couple. Pat __________ You wrote: >Actually the "Inns of Court manuscripts" are a group of short manuscripts (law students' notes) containing brief descriptions of dances, mostly almans, dating from the late 16th to late 17th c. There have been several editions of this material over the years by various people. These dances, while they could be performed by one couple, were probably intended for a group of couples. However, many renaissance dances, especially those from Italian sources, were intended for a solo couple. --Mary Railing >> ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:27:15 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:28:43 -0700 From: John Carver Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: a quote To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000413212843.00956840-AT- pop.islandnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT At 03:08 PM 4/13/2000 -0700, Marian wrote: >Tideswell writes: >>>a most impudent and lascivious step called 'Setting', << > >You know, this makes me wonder if we're doing setting wrong. That was my thought when I read it too. The question is, what sort of a move were they doing in 1711 that was called "setting"? Hmmm. What did Eustace say... >"...which I know not how to describe to you, but by telling you it is >the very reverse of 'Back to Back'." Aha. So what sort of a back to back move would be impudent and lascivious if done front to front? John Carver ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:52:05 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 00:56:43 -0400 From: Benjamin Stein Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: a quote To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <38F6A50B.26B49416-AT- globalnetisp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <3.0.5.32.20000413212843.00956840-AT- pop.islandnet.com> John Carver wrote: > At 03:08 PM 4/13/2000 -0700, Marian wrote: > >Tideswell writes: > >>>a most impudent and lascivious step called 'Setting', << > > > >You know, this makes me wonder if we're doing setting wrong. > > That was my thought when I read it too. The question is, what sort of > a move were they doing in 1711 that was called "setting"? Hmmm. What > did Eustace say... > > >"...which I know not how to describe to you, but by telling you it is > >the very reverse of 'Back to Back'." > > Aha. So what sort of a back to back move would be impudent and > lascivious if done front to front? > > John Carver Hmmm! I guess if you "set" approaching and then "set" retreating, approaching rather closely it might be considered lascivious-mighten it? Intriguing! Ben Stein ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 03:56:33 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 06:56:03 -0400 (EDT) From: SallenNic-AT- aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re:Dance for one couple To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <2.26a23bc.26285343-AT- aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT The Early Birds' Maggot (tune Alderman's Hat, as stated) was composed by Jackson Woolley of San Diego, but I regret I do not know the date of compo