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To everyone who responded on the teaching beginners theme,

Many thanks for all the great ideas and advice.
My beginner program has been much enriched.
New dancers will benefit greatly from your helpful comments.

This list is a wonderful source of support and inspiration for
teaching/calling English !

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ALERT  *  ALERT  *  ALERT  *  ALERT

East Coast Experienced English Country Dancers Converge On Amherst,
Mass.

Sunday, March 19th from 2 - 5 p.m.  Munson Library, South Amherst, Mass.

Scott Higgs calling with Margaret Ann Martin, piano, Earl Gaddis,
violin, and Lise Brown, flute.

This dance is for all who are thoroughly familiar with ECD figures...a
ball without the get-up or the memorizing.

ADDED TREAT!!!!!

Scott Higgs will be calling an English Country Dance For All
on Saturday night, March 18th from 8 - 11 p.m. at Munson Library in
South Amherst, with music by Pleasures of the Town.

Make a weekend of it - We will!

For more information, email me directly or call 413-549-8159.

Mary Jones
Amherst, MA

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ADVANCE NOTICE

First event in a new series: 'Dances from modern sources'

Saturday 9 September 2000, 7.30 to 11 p.m.

The Dances-with-a-Difference Ball

with Colin Hume and The Falconers

at The Victoria Hall, Tring, Hertfordshire (about 25 miles north of London)

See the Ball website at  http://www.biclab.co.uk/dwadball

The programme of dances selected by Colin Hume will be available in
advance,
with dance notations.  There will be no walk-throughs at the Ball itself
(Colin
will call just sufficiently to keep the dances going) but some reminders of
the
dances will be given at a session with Colin starting at 4.30 p.m. on the
day
of the Ball (venue to be decided).

Between the afternoon practice session and the Ball itself, a starter and
main
course dinner will be available, for an extra charge.

During the interval at the Ball, ice-cream will be provided.

It will also be possible to book bed-and-breakfast in Tring, and join Colin
at
a further get-together on Sunday morning.

Admission by ticket only, numbers strictly limited.  To reserve a place,
please
write (including stamped addressed envelope) to
Ian and Val McFarlane, 107 Holtspur Top Lane, Beaconsfield, Bucks, HP9 1DT,
UK
or email imcf-AT-
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There is still space available for the Williamsburg Heritage Dancers annual
George Washington Ball on Saturday, March 4, 2000, at the University
Center, College of Williams & Mary, Williamsburg, Virginia.

The dances are:

Allemande Swiss Cotillion, Barbarini's Tambourine, Bare Necessities, Bonny
Cuckoo, Elverton Grove, Fair & Softly, His Royal Highness the Prince of
Wales, Harvest Home, In the Bleak Midwinter, Installation, John Tallis's
Canon, Kelsterne Gardens, Never Love thee More, Kneeland Romp, Trip to
Kilburn, Wa is Me What Mun I Do? Wakefield Hunt, Wood Duck.

Additional information available at http://www.widomaker.com/~lvosteen

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Mary E Jones wrote:

> ALERT  *  ALERT  *  ALERT  *  ALERT
>
> East Coast Experienced English Country Dancers Converge On Amherst,
> Mass.
>
> Sunday, March 19th from 2 - 5 p.m.  Munson Library, South Amherst, Mass.
>
> Scott Higgs calling with Margaret Ann Martin, piano, Earl Gaddis,
> violin, and Lise Brown, flute.
>
> This dance is for all who are thoroughly familiar with ECD figures...a
> ball without the get-up or the memorizing.
>
> ADDED TREAT!!!!!
>
> Scott Higgs will be calling an English Country Dance For All
> on Saturday night, March 18th from 8 - 11 p.m. at Munson Library in
> South Amherst, with music by Pleasures of the Town.
>
> Make a weekend of it - We will!
>
> For more information, email me directly or call 413-549-8159.
>
> Mary Jones
> Amherst, MA

Sounds great Mary. May be calling you for hospitality. I love Scott Higgs
and I am having surgery (full replacement) on my left knee on the 22nd so
this may give me a chance for a last fling before "confinement" (oh-I know
the word has more specific meaning but!). We will see if the knee can stand
up to that by then!

Ben Stein (go ahead-take my money!)


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Lou Vosteen writes:

[snippage of details about the Williamsburg Ball, which sounds splendid;
 I wish I could go.]

  The dances are:

    Allemande Swiss Cotillion, Barbarini's Tambourine, Bare Necessities, Bonny
    Cuckoo, Elverton Grove, Fair & Softly, His Royal Highness the Prince of
    Wales, Harvest Home, In the Bleak Midwinter, Installation, John Tallis's
    Canon, Kelsterne Gardens, Never Love thee More, Kneeland Romp, Trip to
    Kilburn, Wa is Me What Mun I Do? Wakefield Hunt, Wood Duck.

Two things:

(1) I don't place "His Royal Highness the Prince of Wales".  What's that -
    where's it's from?  "Harvest Home" sounds more familiar, although I 
    don't identify it either.

(2) Although the Williamsburg Ball has 100% more cotillions than the majority
    of balls, I'm sad to see that even the Williamsburg folks have only one.  
    Signed, A Frustrated Cotillion Lover.  

-- Alan


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Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote:

> Lou Vosteen writes:
>
> [snippage of details about the Williamsburg Ball, which sounds splendid;
>  I wish I could go.]
>
>   The dances are:
>
>     Allemande Swiss Cotillion, Barbarini's Tambourine, Bare Necessities, Bonny
>     Cuckoo, Elverton Grove, Fair & Softly, His Royal Highness the Prince of
>     Wales, Harvest Home, In the Bleak Midwinter, Installation, John Tallis's
>     Canon, Kelsterne Gardens, Never Love thee More, Kneeland Romp, Trip to
>     Kilburn, Wa is Me What Mun I Do? Wakefield Hunt, Wood Duck.
>
> Two things:
>
> (1) I don't place "His Royal Highness the Prince of Wales".  What's that -
>     where's it's from?  "Harvest Home" sounds more familiar, although I

HRH Royal Highness the Prince of Wales is from "Not quite Playford" and was
interpreted by Audrey Town. It is an early 19th century dance with a three-part
tune, an uncomplicated one  that always seems to work.

Philippe Callens

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[Forwarded by request of Lara Friedman~Shedlov ldfs-AT-
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~        

Come Let's Be Merry
20th Annual Minnesota Playford Ball

Saturday, 4 March 2000

Minnesota Country Dance Coop invites you to an evening of dance in the
style of 17th and 18th century English country dancing. 

Time:   6:30 p.m. -- Hors d'Oeuvres
        7:30 p.m. -- Dancing with Coleraine English Country Dance Band
  
Place:  Olivet Congregational Church, 1850 Iglehart, St. Paul, MN

Tickets: Reservations on a sliding fee scale: $15 - $33.
         Suggested $25

Hospitality is available for out of town guests!

For more information, see

http://www-personal.si.umich.edu/~laradf/playford2000.html 

or contact Nancy or Tom Riley, e-mail: sumter7-AT-
aol.com or phone:
612-938-2987

DANCE PROGRAM:

Alterations
Barberini's Tambourine
Bath Carnival
Black and Grey
Chestnut
Childgrove
Come, Let's Be Merry
Greensleeves and Yellow Lace
Hambleton's Round O
Hundston House
Knives and Forks
Mackintosh's Maggot
Mr. Handel's Gigue
New Whitehall
News From Tripoli
Old Noll's Jig
Sellenger's Round
Short and Sweet


(dance notes on the web site listed above).

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I second Andy's comments.  When I use the term "give weight"  while 
teaching I like to emphasize the word "give". We "give" weight we don't 
"take" weight.  It is a gift that we are giving to our partner. We are 
supporting our partner; we are not requiring that our partner support us. 
 And it comes from our upper body: the strength in our shoulders and the 
spring in our arms, not from the pull of gravity or centrifugal force on 
the rest of our body.

Michael Darby
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--- paul/victoria bestock <bestockp-AT-
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> 1) "giving weight" (I hate the term, but you all know what I
> mean by it).
>
Vicki,

You make a lot of very good points in this long message, but I
would like to comment specifically on "giving weight". The
concept is completely foreign to someone who has never danced. I
have observed callers telling people to "give weight" and
getting a lot of blank stares because they don't tell people the
mechanics of it. My observation is that it is necessary to make
beginners understand that they are centered and carry their own
weight but that when moving with another person they are also
supporting each other in whatever way is necessary to complete
the move smoothly and on time. That very necessary support of
each other is what is actually happening when "giving weight."
It has nothing to do with leaning and pulling against the other
person, which is how many people interpret it. It is more that
the balanced support you give each other is intended to help you
move as one entity rather than two seperate ones. It is a hard
concept to teach. I also have found that even "experienced"
dancers tend to grip other peoples hands because they have never
quite learned to trust that support without holding on for dear
life. I've often wondered if telling them to "support each
other" wouldn't be more meaningful than "give weight". I enjoy
seeing the light that suddenly comes on when a new dancer
experiences the meaning of it for the first time. You can just
see them thinking, "So that's what they mean."

Andy Peterson
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On Fri, 4 Feb 2000, Michael Darby wrote:

> I second Andy's comments.  When I use the term "give weight"  while 
> teaching I like to emphasize the word "give". We "give" weight we don't 
> "take" weight.  It is a gift that we are giving to our partner. We are 
> supporting our partner; we are not requiring that our partner support us. 
>  And it comes from our upper body: the strength in our shoulders and the 
> spring in our arms, not from the pull of gravity or centrifugal force on 
> the rest of our body.

While the images that people have offered on the subject of "giving
weight" may have certain charms, I think it is important to recognize that
this is an essentially physical problem, and one for which a purely
physical explanation goes a long way toward describing exactly what we
mean.  When we speak metaphorically, those who are not used to thinking in
physical terms may find the images helpful, but those who are used to
thinking physically (and with many engineers and folks with scientific
backgrounds doing ECD, this is not a negligible number) the metaphores can
come across as just as much mumbo-jumbo as a purely physical description
does for someone not in the habit of thinking physically.

In fact, the basic principles of Newtonian mechanics apply here just as
rigorously as they do in celestial mechanics, where they work surprisingly
well.  A person cannot move in a circle without having a net force applied
to him toward the center of the circle, and the magnitude of that force is
proportional to his mass (hence "weight" which is how we commonly
eperience mass) and the square of his velocity divided by the radius of
the circle.  

If he does this by himself, assuming that he has nothing to hang onto,
then all of this force must come from the floor against his feet, which is
the Newtonian "reaction" force opposed to the force of his feet against
the floor.  Since this has to be a sideways force relative to his
direction of motion, he must also lean toward the center of the circle a
bit so that there is a forceon the upper part of his body, too, not just
on his feet, or he would fall over.  By leaning in, he moves his own
center of mass so that it is not over his feet so that gravity provides
the sideways force on the upper part of his body.  He _can_ do all of
this, and it isn't that hard -- but it is somewhat awkward.

If he has a convenient pole in the center of the circle which he can reach
out and grab, then the force on the upper part of his body to keep him
from falling over can be supplied by the pole through his arm, which must
maintain the right amount of tension (another word for force) to keep him
upright or at whatever other angle he wishes to maintain -- as dancers, we
wish to remain at least approximately upright while we are dancing, so
this is very helpful.

However, having posts all over the dance floor wherever people need to do
turns would hardly be a satisfactory solution, because not only would it
limit doing the turns where the posts already were, they would have a very
nasty habit of getting into the way for lots of other moves.  They'd be
limited to doing the Levi Jackson Rag and perhaps a few other dances
designed around poles.

The magic of it comes from the fact that if you replace the pole with
another dancer of the same mass, then they require exactly the same
magnitude of force to follow identical circular paths, but in opposite
directions, so they can hang onto each other with the same tension that
they'd hang onto the pole and go around each other with the same ease that
they could go around the pole, but they don't have a ploe to dodge when
they're finished with that figure.

In practice, of course, dancers come in many different masses (or weights,
which are proportional to their masses), and that's why we have a problem
which we discuss.  There are several ways of dealing with that: one person
can walk a circle of larger radius than the other, or one can lean in or
out a bit to compensate for mass differences by introducing a
gravitational componenet by not having one's mass directly over one's
feet.  

The practical effect is that it is much easier to turn when there is
something in the right direction to pull you in the direction of the
center of the circle, and the whole issue is how to adjust that tension
(pulling force) so that it is most comfortable for both, even when they
are of different weight.  To be able to walk upright, your feet do about
half of it, and your arm or arms do the remaining part, but the resultant
tension is sustained by every part of the body to which the
tension-bearing parts (muscles & tendons) are attached, so the physical
locus of this tension may be quite different from the mental image.

In teaching the concept of "giving weight," please make an effort to speak
to those who may think physically as well as those who prefer a
metaphorical description.  I find both can be useful.

Eric Arnold
 Ann Arbor

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>>In fact, the basic principles of Newtonian mechanics apply here just as
rigorously as they do in celestial mechanics, where they work surprisingly
well.  A person cannot move in a circle without having a net force applied
to him toward the center of the circle, and the magnitude of that force is
proportional to his mass (hence "weight" which is how we commonly
eperience mass) and the square of his velocity divided by the radius of
the circle. <<

I love the ECD list.

Marian Phillips



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I have only one question for Eric - how MUCH snow is on the ground in 
Ann Arbor??????

Mary Beth
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> If he has a convenient pole in the center of the circle which he can reach
> out and grab, then the force on the upper part of his body to keep him
> from falling over can be supplied by the pole through his arm, which must
> maintain the right amount of tension (another word for force) to keep him
> upright or at whatever other angle he wishes to maintain -- as dancers, we
> wish to remain at least approximately upright while we are dancing, so
> this is very helpful.

Thank you Eric!   I had always wondered just how it was that I learned to
Waltz. -
(and I'm sure that's a challenge for teachers)

Your explanation of Newtonian mechanics was like a lightning rod of
revelation for me.

I was taught to think of "placing a pole" between me and my partner and hold
on and waltz as though I was "spinning on a carrousel" - ok - so the
gentleman who taught me was a social worker - it worked just fine for me.
And so, when I waltz with beginners - I always use my "portable,
metaphorical merry-go-round & pole" - and both dancers have a lovely time
and nobody else gets hurt!

Keith Spiro
A feet on the physical terra firma, head in the metaphorical clouds, dancer
from NH where there is both a lot of snow and much hot air that has just
left our state
>


> However, having posts all over the dance floor wherever people need to do
> turns would hardly be a satisfactory solution,

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Hallo, all,

would anyone know about ECD courses in the Netherlands in August? A
friend of mine will be travelling in the Netherlands during that period
and would like to attend such a course. (She is also interested in Dutch
language courses, but that´s a different matter.)
Thanks in advance.
Rosi

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    Dear Mary,

    I am e mailing James the treasurer's report or taking it
    to the dance Mon night. But here's a question for you
    and being treasurer I should know, but don't. My records
    show that we have an ending balance of $63.35. Where's
    the money held?

    I am planning a birthday celebration for Margaret Ann,
    Helen Ann (a childhood camp friend of M. A.'s who also
    goes to Early Music week at Pinewoods) and me after the
    March 18th dance at my house and I hope you'll be able
    to come. I will probably send out an invitation. I don't
    think I can handle inviting all the people attending the
    Sat. night dance.

    Should we have a meeting soon? When does Mary Conser
    get back.

    Cheers,

    Ruth


Mary E Jones wrote:

> ALERT  *  ALERT  *  ALERT  *  ALERT
>
> East Coast Experienced English Country Dancers Converge On Amherst,
> Mass.
>
> Sunday, March 19th from 2 - 5 p.m.  Munson Library, South Amherst, Mass.
>
> Scott Higgs calling with Margaret Ann Martin, piano, Earl Gaddis,
> violin, and Lise Brown, flute.
>
> This dance is for all who are thoroughly familiar with ECD figures...a
> ball without the get-up or the memorizing.
>
> ADDED TREAT!!!!!
>
> Scott Higgs will be calling an English Country Dance For All
> on Saturday night, March 18th from 8 - 11 p.m. at Munson Library in
> South Amherst, with music by Pleasures of the Town.
>
> Make a weekend of it - We will!
>
> For more information, email me directly or call 413-549-8159.
>
> Mary Jones
> Amherst, MA

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<br><b><font color="#6C18B0"><font size=+1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Dear Mary,</font></font></b><b><font color="#6C18B0"><font size=+1></font></font></b>
<p><b><font color="#6C18B0"><font size=+1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I am e mailing
James the treasurer's report or taking it</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#6C18B0"><font size=+1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; to the dance
Mon night. But here's a question for you</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#6C18B0"><font size=+1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; and being
treasurer I should know, but don't. My records</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#6C18B0"><font size=+1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; show that
we have an ending balance of $63.35. Where's</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#6C18B0"><font size=+1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; the money
held?</font></font></b><b><font color="#6C18B0"><font size=+1></font></font></b>
<p><b><font color="#6C18B0"><font size=+1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I am planning
a birthday celebration for Margaret Ann,</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#6C18B0"><font size=+1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Helen Ann
(a childhood camp friend of M. A.'s who also</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#6C18B0"><font size=+1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; goes to Early
Music week at Pinewoods) and me after the</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#6C18B0"><font size=+1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; March 18th
dance at my house and I hope you'll be able</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#6C18B0"><font size=+1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; to come.
I will probably send out an invitation. I don't</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#6C18B0"><font size=+1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; think I can
handle inviting all the people attending the</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#6C18B0"><font size=+1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Sat. night
dance.</font></font></b><b><font color="#6C18B0"><font size=+1></font></font></b>
<p><b><font color="#6C18B0"><font size=+1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Should we
have a meeting soon? When does Mary Conser</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#6C18B0"><font size=+1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; get back.</font></font></b><b><font color="#6C18B0"><font size=+1></font></font></b>
<p><b><font color="#6C18B0"><font size=+1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Cheers,</font></font></b><b><font color="#6C18B0"><font size=+1></font></font></b>
<p><b><font color="#6C18B0"><font size=+1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Ruth</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#6C18B0"><font size=+1>&nbsp;</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#6C18B0"><font size=+1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</font></font></b>
<br>Mary E Jones wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>ALERT&nbsp; *&nbsp; ALERT&nbsp; *&nbsp; ALERT&nbsp;
*&nbsp; ALERT
<p>East Coast Experienced English Country Dancers Converge On Amherst,
<br>Mass.
<p>Sunday, March 19th from 2 - 5 p.m.&nbsp; Munson Library, South Amherst,
Mass.
<p>Scott Higgs calling with Margaret Ann Martin, piano, Earl Gaddis,
<br>violin, and Lise Brown, flute.
<p>This dance is for all who are thoroughly familiar with ECD figures...a
<br>ball without the get-up or the memorizing.
<p>ADDED TREAT!!!!!
<p>Scott Higgs will be calling an English Country Dance For All
<br>on Saturday night, March 18th from 8 - 11 p.m. at Munson Library in
<br>South Amherst, with music by Pleasures of the Town.
<p>Make a weekend of it - We will!
<p>For more information, email me directly or call 413-549-8159.
<p>Mary Jones
<br>Amherst, MA</blockquote>
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        Dear All,

     O.K. so I made a mistake. The cat did it; she stepped on the
     keyboard and sent the msg to the wrong address. Before
     rumors begin about where the money is being held and how
     many people are coming to the birthday party, EVERYONE
     IS INVITED and we'll spend ALL the money.


     Embarrassingly yours,

     Ruth Feldberg

Ruth Feldberg wrote:

>
>     Dear Mary,
>
>     I am e mailing James the treasurer's report or taking it
>     to the dance Mon night. But here's a question for you
>     and being treasurer I should know, but don't. My records
>     show that we have an ending balance of $63.35. Where's
>     the money held?
>
>     I am planning a birthday celebration for Margaret Ann,
>     Helen Ann (a childhood camp friend of M. A.'s who also
>     goes to Early Music week at Pinewoods) and me after the
>     March 18th dance at my house and I hope you'll be able
>     to come. I will probably send out an invitation. I don't
>     think I can handle inviting all the people attending the
>     Sat. night dance.
>
>     Should we have a meeting soon? When does Mary Conser
>     get back.
>
>     Cheers,
>
>     Ruth
>
>
> Mary E Jones wrote:
>
>> ALERT  *  ALERT  *  ALERT  *  ALERT
>>
>> East Coast Experienced English Country Dancers Converge On Amherst,
>> Mass.
>>
>> Sunday, March 19th from 2 - 5 p.m.  Munson Library, South Amherst,
>> Mass.
>>
>> Scott Higgs calling with Margaret Ann Martin, piano, Earl Gaddis,
>> violin, and Lise Brown, flute.
>>
>> This dance is for all who are thoroughly familiar with ECD
>> figures...a
>> ball without the get-up or the memorizing.
>>
>> ADDED TREAT!!!!!
>>
>> Scott Higgs will be calling an English Country Dance For All
>> on Saturday night, March 18th from 8 - 11 p.m. at Munson Library in
>> South Amherst, with music by Pleasures of the Town.
>>
>> Make a weekend of it - We will!
>>
>> For more information, email me directly or call 413-549-8159.
>>
>> Mary Jones
>> Amherst, MA
>

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<p><b><font color="#6C18B0"><font size=+1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; O.K.
so I made a mistake. The cat did it; she stepped on the</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#6C18B0"><font size=+1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; keyboard
and sent the msg to the wrong address. Before</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#6C18B0"><font size=+1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; rumors
begin about where the money is being held and how</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#6C18B0"><font size=+1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; many
people are coming to the birthday party, EVERYONE</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#6C18B0"><font size=+1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; IS
INVITED and we'll spend ALL the money.</font></font></b><b><font color="#6C18B0"><font size=+1></font></font></b>
<p><b><font color="#6C18B0"><font size=+1>&nbsp;</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#6C18B0"><font size=+1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Embarrassingly
yours,</font></font></b><b><font color="#6C18B0"><font size=+1></font></font></b>
<p><b><font color="#6C18B0"><font size=+1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Ruth
Feldberg</font></font></b>
<p>Ruth Feldberg wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>&nbsp;
<br><b><font color="#6C18B0"><font size=+1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Dear Mary,</font></font></b>
<p><b><font color="#6C18B0"><font size=+1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I am e mailing
James the treasurer's report or taking it</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#6C18B0"><font size=+1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; to the dance
Mon night. But here's a question for you</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#6C18B0"><font size=+1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; and being
treasurer I should know, but don't. My records</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#6C18B0"><font size=+1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; show that
we have an ending balance of $63.35. Where's</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#6C18B0"><font size=+1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; the money
held?</font></font></b>
<p><b><font color="#6C18B0"><font size=+1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I am planning
a birthday celebration for Margaret Ann,</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#6C18B0"><font size=+1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Helen Ann
(a childhood camp friend of M. A.'s who also</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#6C18B0"><font size=+1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; goes to Early
Music week at Pinewoods) and me after the</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#6C18B0"><font size=+1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; March 18th
dance at my house and I hope you'll be able</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#6C18B0"><font size=+1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; to come.
I will probably send out an invitation. I don't</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#6C18B0"><font size=+1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; think I can
handle inviting all the people attending the</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#6C18B0"><font size=+1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Sat. night
dance.</font></font></b>
<p><b><font color="#6C18B0"><font size=+1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Should we
have a meeting soon? When does Mary Conser</font></font></b>
<br><b><font color="#6C18B0"><font size=+1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; get back.</font></font></b>
<p><b><font color="#6C18B0"><font size=+1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Cheers,</font></font></b>
<p><b><font color="#6C18B0"><font size=+1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Ruth</font></font></b>
<br>&nbsp;
<p>Mary E Jones wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>ALERT&nbsp; *&nbsp; ALERT&nbsp; *&nbsp; ALERT&nbsp;
*&nbsp; ALERT
<p>East Coast Experienced English Country Dancers Converge On Amherst,
<br>Mass.
<p>Sunday, March 19th from 2 - 5 p.m.&nbsp; Munson Library, South Amherst,
Mass.
<p>Scott Higgs calling with Margaret Ann Martin, piano, Earl Gaddis,
<br>violin, and Lise Brown, flute.
<p>This dance is for all who are thoroughly familiar with ECD figures...a
<br>ball without the get-up or the memorizing.
<p>ADDED TREAT!!!!!
<p>Scott Higgs will be calling an English Country Dance For All
<br>on Saturday night, March 18th from 8 - 11 p.m. at Munson Library in
<br>South Amherst, with music by Pleasures of the Town.
<p>Make a weekend of it - We will!
<p>For more information, email me directly or call 413-549-8159.
<p>Mary Jones
<br>Amherst, MA</blockquote>
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> I have only one question for Eric - how MUCH snow is on the ground in 
> Ann Arbor??????

Approximately one light-nanosecond...

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>On Fri, 4 Feb 2000, Mary Beth Goodman wrote:
>
>  > I have only one question for Eric - how MUCH snow is on the ground in
>  > Ann Arbor??????
>
>Approximately one light-nanosecond...
>
>Eric


Good to know it's not over your knees yet!  Ron says to tell you he 
did the dimensional analysis in his head.  He's a bit smug about it, 
but oh well.

Cheers!

Mary Beth

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On Sun, 6 Feb 2000, Mary Beth Goodman wrote:

> >On Fri, 4 Feb 2000, Mary Beth Goodman wrote:
> >
> >  > I have only one question for Eric - how MUCH snow is on the ground in
> >  > Ann Arbor??????
> >
> >Approximately one light-nanosecond...
> >
> >Eric
> 
> 
> Good to know it's not over your knees yet!

We usually shovel it off before we start dancing, anyway, so it doesn't
change the physics too much -- unless we forget the salt after we shovel.
That sometimes reduces the force we can apply through our feet...

Cheers to you & Ron!

Eric

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Friends, 

Susan Kevra asked me to post this message:

Announcing an English Country Dance party, "Cupid's Cotillion" to take
place Saturday February 12, 2000 8 PM to midnight at the beautiful, newly
renovated Putney Community Center, Christian Square, Putney, Vermont. No
partners are necessary!

Music by Mary Lea - fiddle and viola; Karen Axelrod - piano; Bill Tomczak -
clarinet and saxophone.

All dances taught by Fred Breunig and Susan Kevra

Scrumptious desserts by Susan Leuchter

Admission $9

Festive dress encouraged. No partner necessary.

For further information, contact our website:
http://www.marlboro.edu/~skevra/cupids_cotillion.htm
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This event is brought to you in part by the Brattleboro Dawn Dance
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The concept of giving weight is indeed difficult for beginners to grasp, and partly that is the physics of the movement - it is not something that they are used to doing. Hence they may initially not understand well how to do it.  A description of the physics involved may be very useful.

However, the enjoyment of the procedure goes beyond the kinetics and kinematics of the situation. The human (at least the country dancer) is programmed to find the particular accelerations involved in giving weight a very pleasurable sensation. We should keep this in mind in teaching - giving weight is fun, and exciting, when successful.

I believe that one of the best things that one can share in this life is a centre of mass. This certainly has many applications in dancing, including giving weight in English dancing (never mind all the possibilities outside the dance - this is a dance discussion list).


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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>The concept of giving weight is indeed difficult for 
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useful.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>However, the enjoyment of the procedure goes beyond the 
kinetics and kinematics of the situation. </FONT><FONT face=Arial>The human (at 
least the country dancer) is programmed to find the particular accelerations 
involved in giving weight a very pleasurable sensation. We should keep this in 
mind in teaching - giving weight is fun, and exciting, when 
successful.</FONT></DIV>
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John Patcai wrote:
>>  However, the enjoyment of the procedure goes beyond the kinetics and
>>  kinematics of the situation. The human (at least the country dancer) is
>>  programmed to find the particular accelerations involved in giving
>>  weight a very pleasurable sensation. We should keep this in mind in
>>  teaching - giving weight is fun, and exciting, when successful.

Surely the reason for giving weight is not much to do with physics (I can't
be bothered to work out the centrifugal force involved in, say, the right
hand turn in eight steps at the start of Fandango, but it isn't much);
surely the reason is that this is "Social" dance and much of the pleasure
comes from dancing *with* other people.  The joint activity of "giving weight"
is part of dancing with someone.
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Dear Friends,
 For those of you within driving distance of Boston, there will be a
Valentine's party format dance on Wednesday feb 16 at the Park Avenue
Church in Arlington Mass. The evening will feature romantic dances led by
Boston Center leaders, music by "Bare Necessities".

Since Valentine's day is approaching, I'd like to hear from list members
about their favorite romantic dances. My favorite is "Saint Margaret's
Hill".  The music and the leads though the top and bottom of the set always
make me feel closely linked to partner. She as lady and I as protector.

best,
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Terence Gaffney writes:

>>Since Valentine's day is approaching<<

-- And don't forget Lupercalia, also known as Faunalia, which falls on
February 15.  It's yet another fertility festival in the February cluster,
this one in honor of the woodland god Faunus, who was the Roman version of
Pan.  Dancers who want to honor this fine god might consider showing up in
goat horns to dances that fall in that week -- or, alternatively, dressed as
nymphs.  I hear that nymphs are always welcome at faun parties.

Marian Phillips

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On 7 Feb 00, at 8:58 Heyer wrote:

> Terence Gaffney writes:
> 
> >>Since Valentine's day is approaching<<
> 
> -- And don't forget Lupercalia, also known as Faunalia, which falls on
> February 15.

Or perhaps the 13th. Nickolas and Alex Humez (the latter a 
devoted ECDancer), in their delightful *ABC Etc.* say that the 
Lupercalia falls on Feb. 15, but they also say (same book, different 
place) that it falls on the Ides of February. But according to my old 
high school Latin textbook, the Ides of Feb. is the 13th. The Ides of 
March is the 15th and so are the Ides of May, July & October, but 
in all other months it falls on the 13th. So if anyone sees Alex, 
would you ask him if he knows for sure?

<snippity-snip>
 I hear that nymphs are always  welcome at faun parties.

High school Latin didn't go into such subjects back when I was a 
lad, but I've heard the same thing.

Cheers, Art

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Art Munisteri sez:
>>Or perhaps the 13th. <<

And, just to add to the confusion, I have one source that says it's on
*March* 15, and another that swears it's on December 5.  However, three that
I checked said February 15, and in some matters I'm a fan of reality by
consensus, which is why I didn't wait for the year 2001 to celebrate the
turn of the millennium.  And if we celebrate it on the 15th instead of the
13th, it provides something to look forward to for all the people who are
depressed by Valentine's Day.  "At least I get to wear goat horns tomorrow,"
they'll say to themselves, and maybe refrain from snarling at all the lovers
rushing around with bouquets of roses.

Marian

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First, what Marian said:

  And if we celebrate it on the 15th instead of the 13th, it provides
  something to look forward to for all the people who are depressed by
  Valentine's Day.  "At least I get to wear goat horns tomorrow,"
  they'll say to themselves, and maybe refrain from snarling at all the
  lovers rushing around with bouquets of roses.

This is the most charming thing I've seen in a long time.  And I shall
try it myself.  "At least I get to wear goat horns tomorrow" may be a 
useful mantra at other times of the year as well.

I was trying to think of a dance that referred to goats just the other 
day, and I failed, but this gives me the chance to ask here.  Does the 
collective ECD intelligence know of any dance that refers to goats? 
(I was thinking of Shub-Niggurath, the goat with a million young, but 
I'll take any goats.  Note that the Darby Ram is a sheep, not a goat;
it's historically been important to separate those.)

On another topic in this same thread, the question of romantic dances
came up.  I'm obliged to report that the Bay Area English Regency
Society, a group of which I am part, puts on a Cyprians' Ball every
year around Valentine's Day.

(Aphrodite, goddess of love, was associated with the Isle of Cyprus,
and so she was known as the Cyprian.  In Georgian England, ladies who
made their livings by love were known as Cyprians.  [Courtesans, more
or less.])  It seems that the Cyprians had the charming custom of
holding balls where they could shop around for new protectors.  Their
behavior might or not be demure.  (This was the era when Harriette
Wilson reportedly had herself placed unclad in a (very large) piecrust
and served at a formal dinner.)  See the BAERS webpage, 
http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/Strasse and follow the link to the
Cyprians' for more information.

So we have the ball, set in about 1810, which gives us scope to have
waltzes, waltzes with figures, and flirtatious and rambunctious
country dancing.  I can't do any dances that are very complex, since
we get a number of people who dance perhaps three or four times a
year.  I'll mention below dances I wish I could do there.

Here's this year's program:
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Program for Cyprians' 2000

First Set
---------
Congress of Vienna #1
Mad Robin
An Easy Competence
Knole Park
Free Waltz
Abbesses

Second Set
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Grand March
My Lord Byron's Maggot
Free Waltz
*The Black Nag
Drapers' Gardens

Third Set
---------
Free Waltz 
*Lass of Richmond Hill
*Free Waltz (or Temptation if we're doing unbelievably well)
Sir Roger de Coverley (time permitting)
The Duke of Kent's Waltz 
Congress of Vienna #2

=====
* means "first against the wall when the revolution comes"; that is, first
  candidate for cutting if we're running long.
----------------------------------------------------

Congress of Vienna is a very popular sequence waltz (with some
familiar laendler figures); An Easy Competence is another (to Haydn, I
think, but James Langdell can clarify that).  Temptation is yet
another, and quite nice but difficult.  Abbesses is a three couple
waltz country dance of my own devising, for which James has found some
very agreeable "French Waltz" tunes in Mr. Wilson's book.  I should
mention that this is the 12th year of this ball.  The program varies 
slightly from year to year, but only slightly.

I wish I could do "Miss de Jersey's Memorial", "Love's Triumph", "Bare
Necessities" (not too hard, but not even remotely period-like), "The
Pursuit" (heys are questionable), "St. Margaret's Hill" (changes in
spatial orientation confuse the uninitiated), "Sally in Our Alley", 
"Wa is Me, Wa Mun I Do",  and others.  In the past, we've done "Well
Hall", "Shrewsbury Lasses", "Miss Barrett's Waltz" (but it's a
long-running triple minor and not really wonderful enough to justify
the time.)

So there are a bunch of romantic or flirtatious or playful country
dances.  Hope this helps!  And any ECD readers who'll be in the Bay
Area this Saturday are invited to come to the Cyprians Ball at
Arlington Community Church, 52 Arlington Avenue, Kensington; doors
open at 7:30 - congress begins at 8:00.  Scandalous period dress
admired but not required; as we usually say, we can't in good
conscience recommend damping your muslins in February.  See the web
page above for details.  We give a discount to BACDS and CDSS members.

Somewhat punchily,

-- Alan


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Alan asked:
>Does the 
>collective ECD intelligence know of any dance that refers to goats? 

Capriole.

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Alan writes:
>>(I was thinking of Shub-Niggurath, the goat with a million young, <<

Of course you were.  And now that I've read that sentence to the spousal
unit, he'd demanding to know which story Shub-Niggurath shows up in.  Could
you post a title?  He's being very persistent about it, and the only thing I
can remember from reading Lovecraft is that the people of Innsmouth looked
like fish.

The goat dance question is quite the poser.  I was reduced to looking the
word up in various foreign language dictionaries, hoping to at least scare
up a bi-lingual pun, but even that didn't produce anything.  John Carver is
right, anything with any form of the word "caper" would be relevant, but
does ECD even have capers?  I thought they were just a morris thing.

Up Too Late,

Marian

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Cadger's Caper by Gary Roodman [Sum Further Calculated Figures]
Capers at Zeist by John Lagden [Dutch Crossing]
Country Capers [Country Capers from Norfolk]
Cotswold Capers [Dances for Gloucestershire]
Capers at Canterbury [Kentish Hops]
Capers in the Snow [English Country Dances Ellen Taylor]
and, in honor of the 3 Billy Goats Gruff, Clopton Bridge...

Cheers,
Sharon


At 12:49 AM 2/8/00 -0800, you wrote:
>Alan writes:
>>>(I was thinking of Shub-Niggurath, the goat with a million young, <<
>
>Of course you were.  And now that I've read that sentence to the spousal
>unit, he'd demanding to know which story Shub-Niggurath shows up in.  Could
>you post a title?  He's being very persistent about it, and the only thing I
>can remember from reading Lovecraft is that the people of Innsmouth looked
>like fish.
>
>The goat dance question is quite the poser.  I was reduced to looking the
>word up in various foreign language dictionaries, hoping to at least scare
>up a bi-lingual pun, but even that didn't produce anything.  John Carver is
>right, anything with any form of the word "caper" would be relevant, but
>does ECD even have capers?  I thought they were just a morris thing.
>
>Up Too Late,
>
>Marian
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On Mon, 07 Feb 2000 17:05:46 -0700 (PDT) Alan Winston - SSRL Central
Computing <winston-AT-
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>... Does the collective ECD intelligence know of any dance that refers
to goats? [snip]

I don't know of a dance reference, but 'Paddy McGinty's Goat' is
recommended as an alternate tune for Nottingham Swing (in Community
Dances Manual 6).

William DeRagon
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Regarding the location of the Ides of February: Brittanica Online gives
this regarding the Ides:

[begin quote]
The Julian calendar retained the Roman republican
calendar method of numbering the days of the
month. Compared with the present system, the
Roman numbering seems to run backward, for the
first day of the month was known as the Kalendae,
but subsequent days were not enumerated as so
many after the Kalendae but as so many before the
following Nonae ("nones"), the day called nonae
being the ninth day before the Ides (from iduare,
meaning "to divide"), which occurred in the middle
of the month and were supposed to coincide with
the Full Moon. Days after the Nonae and before the
Ides were numbered as so many before the Ides,
and those after the Ides as so many before the
Kalendae of the next month. [end quote]

From
"calendar" Encyclopaedia Britannica Online. 
<http://www.eb.com:180/bol/topic?eu=108734&sctn=2> 

This came from the subheading "Julian Calendar" which changed from the
Roman lunar calendar, presumably with all months having 28 or 29 days, to
a solar calendar with a year of 365.25 days, and months mostly had 29 or
31 days; February apparently had 29 or 30 then.  This was apparently used
from 46 BC to 8 BC when Augustus had the month of Sextilis named after
him; it then had one day less than the preceeding month of July (named
after Julius) so it was increased to 31 and the extra day taken from
February to give it 28 or 29 days as we have now.

The Romans apparently used the names of the consuls to identify the years,
and when they took office in March (the date of taking office apparently
was fixed in 222 BC to be March 15), the new year started then, so
February was the last month of the old year, which is why it got to have
the role of adjusting the year length.  In 153 BC the beginning of the
term of office was moved to January 1, and the new year moved with it, but
February retained its role as the month to absorb the adjustments to the
calendar, it seems.

So it seems that the ides of February shouldn't come before the 14th, and
might be on the 15th when it has 29 days, since the middle of the month
falls then -- but the full moon isn't until the 19th, so perhaps one
should wait till then...

Or perhaps that extends the range for the goat-dances.  Get out the Pan
pipes!

Eric Arnold
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>>... Does the collective ECD intelligence know of any dance that refers
>to goats? [snip]

There is a tradtional Newfoundland Dance called "Running the
Goat".  It is not exactly ECD though I'm sure there are
antecedents in common.  It's danced in a square formation, is fast
and furious and when done comepletely lasts 15 mins or so.

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On Tue, 8 Feb 2000, Martin E. Mulligan wrote:

> >>... Does the collective ECD intelligence know of any dance that refers
> >to goats? [snip]
> 
> There is a tradtional Newfoundland Dance called "Running the
> Goat".  It is not exactly ECD though I'm sure there are
> antecedents in common.  It's danced in a square formation, is fast
> and furious and when done comepletely lasts 15 mins or so.

Can you post a description and suggestions for the music?  It sounds
rather intriguing!  

Are there other traditional dances of Newfoundland which remain in local
use, and are there any publications which describe them?

Eric Arnold
 Honourary Newfie since 1989...

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According to Nicholas B. of Lanark Scotland, 'Pat Shaw's introduction to
"Holland as seen etc." is a goldmine of information on the interpretation of
C17th - 19th century dances.'  Do you know where this book can be obtained?
I have been a Scottish Country Dance Teacher for many years, but am now
turning to English because it is less physically demanding.

                              Fiona, Sidney, B.C. (where the winter is also
gentle and mild, and we are not necessarily, but maybe, being lulled into a
false sense of "spring around the corner"!
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Siege of Limerick and Moderation are two different tunes with the same
choreography, as are Fair Quaker of Deal and Amsbury, Well Hall and Belgia
Retriev'd, Come let's be Merry and Hackney Minuet/Belvedera.
I couldn't find Trip to the jubilee or Edinborough Castle in Neal, but the
versions I know of these two are two different dances to the same tune,
which
is the other side of the coin, I suppose.
Quick right and left:
    Is this not Thomas Wilson's "right and left", in which the first corners
to cross pass left shoulders and turn to their left and the second pair pass
right and turn to their right, all then crossing back the same way? This is
achieved in 4 bars, and, as with all Wilson's terminology, is very clearly
described by him and also shewn in diagrammatic form. For further thoughts
on
this, a prime source is Pat Shaw's "Holland as seen in the English Country
Dance", where his Introduction is a goldmine of information on the
interpretation of C17th - C19th Country Dances.
                        Nicolas B., Lanark, Scotland (where the winter is
gentle and mild and we are all being lulled into what must surely prove to
be
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>Can you post a description and suggestions for the music?  It sounds
>rather intriguing!
>
>Are there other traditional dances of Newfoundland which remain in local
>use, and are there any publications which describe them?

Best I can do, Eri,c for now is point you to
http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~andrew/goat.txt which details the
directions for Running the Goat.  The dance can and probably is
varied by including figures or not as the case may be.  It has
it's own tune which I think goes by the same name but I would have
to double check that.  I don't know of a source for the music.

There has been a revival of some old Newfoundland Dances over the
past ten years.  I've not participated at all recently so my
knowledge is scanty.

Two Newfoundland dances were collected by Maud Karpeles and were published in:
 	Twelve traditional country dances / collected and described by Maud
	Karpeles ; pianoforte arrangements by R. Vaughan Williams, in
	collaboration with Maud Karpeles. -- London : Novello and Co. for
	The English Folk Dance Society, 1956.

The only book that I know which discusses Folk Dance in Newfoundland is:

	Close to the floor : folk dance in Newfoundland
	Quigley, Colin Harding, 1951-
	St. John's, Nfld. : Memorial University of Nfld., 1985.
	(Memorial University of Newfoundland folklore and
	language publications.  Monograph series ; no. 3)


Martin

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Actually Eric is wrong: the Ides of February fell on the 13th day of the
month from long before Julius Caesar till long after Caesar Augustus. 
Beside what I remember from latin classes taken way back in junior high
school, this is quote from
"http://ghs1.greenheart.com/billh/calends.html" :

   ... Ides, dedicated to Jupiter, was originally the time of the full
   moon. Because a full moon comes halfway thru each lunation, its
   day was called Idus in Latin from an Etruscan word meaning
   "divide." ...... 
   Romans separated their months from the lunar cycle in the
   fifth century B.C. Month lengths then became fixed. At that
   time, Ides was assigned as the 15th day in all months given 31
   days in length—March, May, July and October. It was
   designated as the 13th day in all other months. As a result,
   from then on the Calends section had from 16 to 19 days, the
   Nones section had either four or six days and the Ides section,
   as before, always had eight days. ..... 

and it is confirmed (if needed) by the Merriam-Webster on-line
dictionary "http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary":

"Main Entry: ides
Pronunciation: 'Idz
Function: noun plural but singular or plural in construction
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French, from Latin idus
Date: 14th century
: the 15th day of March, May, July, or October or the 13th day of any
other month in the ancient Roman calendar; broadly : this day and the
seven
days preceding it"


Happy dancing (327 days left in this millenium, and counting)
Giovanni De Amici


Eric Arnold wrote:
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> So it seems that the ides of February shouldn't come before the 14th, and
> might be on the 15th when it has 29 days, since the middle of the month
> falls then -- but the full moon isn't until the 19th, so perhaps one
> should wait till then...
....
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On Tue, 8 Feb 2000, giovanni de amici wrote:

> Actually Eric is wrong: the Ides of February fell on the 13th day of the
> month from long before Julius Caesar till long after Caesar Augustus. 

Thanks for the correction, Giovanni; I had only the information from the
EB link to base my supposition on, and they weren't clear about the Romans
having abandoned the lunar calendar at that point.  

But one might still consider that the reason to celebrate in this fashion
might as reasonably be related to the full moon as to a date on a calendar
which has neither the moon nor the Julian system as its basis.

Thanks for the other calendar references, too!

Eric

> Beside what I remember from latin classes taken way back in junior high
> school, this is quote from
> "http://ghs1.greenheart.com/billh/calends.html" :
> 
>    ... Ides, dedicated to Jupiter, was originally the time of the full
>    moon. Because a full moon comes halfway thru each lunation, its
>    day was called Idus in Latin from an Etruscan word meaning
>    "divide." ...... 
>    Romans separated their months from the lunar cycle in the
>    fifth century B.C. Month lengths then became fixed. At that
>    time, Ides was assigned as the 15th day in all months given 31
>    days in length—March, May, July and October. It was
>    designated as the 13th day in all other months. As a result,
>    from then on the Calends section had from 16 to 19 days, the
>    Nones section had either four or six days and the Ides section,
>    as before, always had eight days. ..... 
> 
> and it is confirmed (if needed) by the Merriam-Webster on-line
> dictionary "http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary":
> 
> "Main Entry: ides
> Pronunciation: 'Idz
> Function: noun plural but singular or plural in construction
> Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French, from Latin idus
> Date: 14th century
> : the 15th day of March, May, July, or October or the 13th day of any
> other month in the ancient Roman calendar; broadly : this day and the
> seven
> days preceding it"
> 
> 
> Happy dancing (327 days left in this millenium, and counting)
> Giovanni De Amici
> 
> 
> Eric Arnold wrote:
> .....
> > So it seems that the ides of February shouldn't come before the 14th, and
> > might be on the 15th when it has 29 days, since the middle of the month
> > falls then -- but the full moon isn't until the 19th, so perhaps one
> > should wait till then...
> ....
> 


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>I was trying to think of a dance that referred to goats just the other
>
>day, and I failed
What about 'Scotch Billy'?
                    Nicolas B., Lanark, Scotland.
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Eric Arnold writes:
>>But one might still consider that the reason to celebrate in this fashion
might as reasonably be related to the full moon as to a date on a calendar
which has neither the moon nor the Julian system as its basis.<<

But I have to ask myself, WWFD?  What Would Faunus Do?  And, as happens so
often when people ask a deity for advice, Faunus came back with the answer
that I wanted.  He said:  "I'll take what I can get at this point.  Just
pick a date."

Marian

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Fiona, Sidney, B.C. wrote

> According to Nicholas B. of Lanark Scotland, 'Pat Shaw's
> introduction to
> "Holland as seen etc." is a goldmine of information on the
> interpretation of
> C17th - 19th century dances.'  Do you know where this book
> can be obtained?

Yes, it is published by the Volksdansvereniging NVS (Dutch Folk Dance
Society) and it can be ordered from them. It costs five and a half guilders
which must be something like two and a half dollars. You'll need to add
postage.

Find it on the shop page of the website: http://www.nvs-dance.nl

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Antony Heywood wrote:

> Fiona, Sidney, B.C. wrote
>
> > According to Nicholas B. of Lanark Scotland, 'Pat Shaw's
> > introduction to
> > "Holland as seen etc." is a goldmine of information on the
> > interpretation of
> > C17th - 19th century dances.'  Do you know where this book
> > can be obtained?
>
> Yes, it is published by the Volksdansvereniging NVS (Dutch Folk Dance
> Society) and it can be ordered from them. It costs five and a half guilders
> which must be something like two and a half dollars. You'll need to add
> postage.
>
> Find it on the shop page of the website: http://www.nvs-dance.nl
>
> Antony Heywood
> Volksdansvereniging NVS

It is also available through the Country Dance and Song Society in
Massachusetts. If you don't have their catalogue or E-mail address either use a
search engine to get it or write to me directly and I will be happy to supply
it.

Ben Stein
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Antony wrote:

  Yes, it is published by the Volksdansvereniging NVS (Dutch Folk Dance
  Society) and it can be ordered from them. It costs five and a half guilders
  which must be something like two and a half dollars. You'll need to add
  postage.

  Find it on the shop page of the website: http://www.nvs-dance.nl


It can also be ordered from the Country Dance & Song Society.  See their
indispensable sales webpage at http://www.cdss.org/sales

("Holland As Seen in the English Country Dance" is $5.25 at CDSS.)  Since
the original poster is in Canada, there'll be moneychanging questions in 
either case, and I don't know what the shipping costs will be.  It seems
as though it would be cheapere to get it across a continent than across
an ocean, but you never know.

-- Alan

PS: Speaking of Pat Shaw, Holland, etc, I want to thank  Antony Heywood for
his part in the new edition of "New Wine in Old Bottles."  I've had the chance
to compare the new and old editions, and the new one is far more usable and
comprehensible - not to mention available!  -- APW




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Terry Gaffney asked for romantic dances. Here are a few of my favorites.

(1) Mad Robin
I love those flirty passes up or down the set, even though I tend to bump into the other couple if I really keep my eyes locked on my partner! And I also love the turn for the first couple just after the first man has moved down to second place. I only recently danced this as a man for the first time and was delighted to find it was just as nice for the first man as for the first woman, a seamless movement of turn-and-connect.

(2) Well Hall
No specific part, but nice and dreamy and fun.

(3) From Aberdeen
For the first couple, it's one long round of turns and circles, touch and part, re-touch and part again. 

Mary Stafford

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>PS: Speaking of Pat Shaw, Holland, etc, I want to thank  Antony Heywood for
>his part in the new edition of "New Wine in Old Bottles."  I've had the chance
>to compare the new and old editions, and the new one is far more usable and
>comprehensible - not to mention available!  -- APW

Ahhhh.  But what's the quality of the product of the knitting instructions!?


Emily L. Ferguson
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>At 10:33 AM -0500 2/8/00, Eric Arnold wrote:



>So it seems that the ides of February shouldn't come before the 14th, and
>might be on the 15th when it has 29 days, since the middle of the month
>falls then -- but the full moon isn't until the 19th, so perhaps one
>should wait till then...

The Romans were _never_ very rational when it came to calendars.
The Ides are not "calculted" as the middle of of the months. Rather,
one learns a "table" of Ides as one learns the equally idiotic
bizarreness of "30 days hath Sept." etc. Several months (not
just February) have the 13th as their Ides.

These things used to be inflicted on students up through the
18th century (lingering in certain backwaters.) In consequence,
you will sometimes still see leap years referred to as bisextile
--the Roman way of adding the extra day in the 366 day years was
as "the second 6th Kalends of March." The day before the Kalends
of March was called "2nd Kalends" and counting went back into
February from there. In effect, a Roman leap year had two days
named the equivalent of our Feb. 24th.

Roman counting also messed up initial implementation of the
Julian calendar (most likely because the Senate bumped Caesar
off before any of the "bisextile" years occurred. They miscounted
(or rather, they inappropriately applied Roman-style "inclusive"
counting) and put in extra days every three years for a decade
or so, until Augustus got some decent calendar advice. To repair
the situation, he declared a moratorium on leap years until
things got back to where they would have been had the Senate
been able to count. That was, if I recall correctly, our year
4 CE.

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>At 10:33 AM -0500 2/8/00, Eric Arnold wrote:



>So it seems that the ides of February shouldn't come before the 14th, and
>might be on the 15th when it has 29 days, since the middle of the month
>falls then -- but the full moon isn't until the 19th, so perhaps one
>should wait till then...

The Romans were _never_ very rational when it came to calendars.
The Ides are not "calculted" as the middle of of the months. Rather,
one learns a "table" of Ides as one learns the equally idiotic
bizarreness of "30 days hath Sept." etc. Several months (not
just February) have the 13th as their Ides.

These things used to be inflicted on students up through the
18th century (lingering in certain backwaters.) In consequence,
you will sometimes still see leap years referred to as bisextile
--the Roman way of adding the extra day in the 366 day years was
as "the second 6th Kalends of March." The day before the Kalends
of March was called "2nd Kalends" and counting went back into
February from there. In effect, a Roman leap year had two days
named the equivalent of our Feb. 24th.

Roman counting also messed up initial implementation of the
Julian calendar (most likely because the Senate bumped Caesar
off before any of the "bisextile" years occurred. They miscounted
(or rather, they inappropriately applied Roman-style "inclusive"
counting) and put in extra days every three years for a decade
or so, until Augustus got some decent calendar advice. To repair
the situation, he declared a moratorium on leap years until
things got back to where they would have been had the Senate
been able to count. That was, if I recall correctly, our year
4 CE.

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In a message dated 2/7/00 8:11:06 PM, winston-AT-
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<< I was trying to think of a dance that referred to goats just the other 
day, and I failed, but this gives me the chance to ask here.  Does the 
collective ECD intelligence know of any dance that refers to goats?  >>

What about Mr. Beveridge's—or Mr. Ganiford's—Maggoat? 

Judy G.
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Marianwrote-

 >The goat dance question is quite the poser. I was reduced to
 >looking the word up in various foreign language dictionaries,
 >hoping to at least scare up a bi-lingual pun, but even that
 >didn't produce anything. John Carver is right, anything with any
 >form of the word "caper" would be relevant, but does ECD even
 >have capers? I thought they were just a morris thing.

And, of course, any dance with a "chevron" figure in it. (No
"kidding"! The V-shape was named "chevron" because of its
resemblance to a goat's head and horns.)

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Greetings,

It is not ECD, but there is a traditional Newfoundland folk dance, which is called "Running the Goat", which has its own tune of the same name. There has been some revival of the Newfoundland dances in the last few years.

John Patcai

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=3>Greetings,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>It is not ECD, but there is a traditional Newfoundland 
folk dance, which is called "Running the Goat", which has its own tune of the 
same name. There has been some revival of the Newfoundland dances in the last 
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Though this question relates to 19th century dances I thought I'd query the 
ECD list membership.  I'm looking for information on a dance or dance type 
called the French Four.  I first encountered the term in the title of a 
piece of music on Jim Kimball's Sackett's Harbor recording  -- the "Niagara 
French Four" (ca 1812).  Subsequently, I discovered it as the name of a 
rather simple straightforward contra dance, which surprised me since I 
wouldn't have thought the tune title to refer to a particular dance.  My 
next encounter with the term however, was in the Flett's book, Traditional 
Dancing in Scotland,  which said that it was a term for a type of dance 
derived from (or also called) the "Parisian Quadrilles", in which only two 
couples would dance the head-couple figures of a quadrille.  I was 
intrigued by this idea of a two-couple quadrille and the French Four as a 
dance type. I searched the Dance Instruction Manuals, Ca.1600-1920 web-site 
http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/dihtml/dihome.html but only came up with 
references to the contra dance, all essentially the same.

Anyone have information on the origin of this dance, its name, two-couple 
quadrilles or its relation to such?  Was the concept of just two couples 
dancing the quadrille popular at one time?  The ECD repertoire has quite a 
few Playford two-couple dances and some modern ones in that style but 
nothing I've come across from the late 18th -19th century.

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Michael Darby wrote:

> Though this question relates to 19th century dances I thought I'd query the
> ECD list membership.  I'm looking for information on a dance or dance type
> called the French Four.  I first encountered the term in the title of a
> piece of music on Jim Kimball's Sackett's Harbor recording  -- the "Niagara
> French Four" (ca 1812).  Subsequently, I discovered it as the name of a
> rather simple straightforward contra dance, which surprised me since I
> wouldn't have thought the tune title to refer to a particular dance.  My
> next encounter with the term however, was in the Flett's book, Traditional
> Dancing in Scotland,  which said that it was a term for a type of dance
> derived from (or also called) the "Parisian Quadrilles", in which only two
> couples would dance the head-couple figures of a quadrille.  I was
> intrigued by this idea of a two-couple quadrille and the French Four as a
> dance type. I searched the Dance Instruction Manuals, Ca.1600-1920 web-site
> http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/dihtml/dihome.html but only came up with
> references to the contra dance, all essentially the same.
>
> Anyone have information on the origin of this dance, its name, two-couple
> quadrilles or its relation to such?  Was the concept of just two couples
> dancing the quadrille popular at one time?  The ECD repertoire has quite a
> few Playford two-couple dances and some modern ones in that style but
> nothing I've come across from the late 18th -19th century.
>
> Michael Darby

The rather simple contra dance shows up in two versions in the Contra Dance
Book of Ricky Holden published in 1956. He compares it to Durang's Hornpipe and
Aruorora Waltz and also quotes from Beth Tolman (who wrote the Country Dance
Book with Ralph Page) as follows:
"No one is sure whether it is really French or not. Since it is a high
favourite in towns with many French Canadians, it undoubtedly came from
somewhere in Canada. "This dance always used to be put in a program as a
breather between two high powered numbers, since it contains plenty of
balancing and very little swinging.""

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  If your goat horns are invisible, you can dance Cuckolds all in a Row!
:)

--Mary Railing

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In a message dated 2/9/00 2:14:33 PM, Ben Stein wrote:

<<The rather simple contra dance shows up in two versions in the Contra Dance
Book of Ricky Holden published in 1956. He compares it to Durang's Hornpipe 
and
Aruorora Waltz and also quotes from Beth Tolman (who wrote the Country Dance
Book with Ralph Page) as follows:
"No one is sure whether it is really French or not. Since it is a high
favourite in towns with many French Canadians, it undoubtedly came from
somewhere in Canada. "This dance always used to be put in a program as a
breather between two high powered numbers, since it contains plenty of
balancing and very little swinging."">>

Although French Fours (French Four?) can be done as a "breather" dance, Mary 
DesRosiers called it at a dance last summer at a really zippy tempo, and the 
dance really came alive. I've called it that way 3 times since, and it went 
over well each time, despite being a very uneven dance. You'll notice that 
the actives need to fly to get from one balance to the next. The inactives 
can breathe, or they can cheat and swing while the actives do their thing in 
A1.  

Duple minor proper contra
Tune: I suggest driving reels, such as Paddy on the Railroad, played at 
around 120 bpm

A1 (1-2): Actives balance 
(3-4): Actives pull by and go outside and below inactives, who do not move 
up, and meet in next actives' place 
(5-6): Actives balance
(7-8): Actives pull by and go outside and above same inactives, who again do 
not move, and meet in original place
A2: Actives balance and swing
B1: Actives down the center, turn as couple and come back up, cast off with 
original twos
B2: Rights and lefts (across and back)

There are probably other dances called French Fours. Also, I believe that the 
tune Soldier's Joy is alternatively called French Fours. 

Carl Friedman
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Could this formation also be linked in to the Irish Set Dances.  These,
I understand, are thought to be named after the "sets of quadrilles"
taken over to Ireland in past centuries, and then the music changed to
Irish tunes.  These "sets" are all in square formation, but some are in
"half sets" which is couple facing couple.  Some of the half sets I have
found are the "Quadrilles Half Set", "Galway Half Set", "Ballyhahill
Half Set", "Ballinascarty Half Set and the "Australian Half Set".  All
these half sets are of the same format - that is several figures  making
up one set (one figure is danced, there is a break, and the next figure
is danced).

The above could be a further lead in your search.

By the way, if you haven't come across Irish Set dancing and see a class
or "Set dance Ceili" advertised - try it!!  It really is an enjoyable
dance form - nothing like ECD, but really worth giving a try!

Trevor Monson.


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> Though this question relates to 19th century dances I thought I'd
query the
> ECD list membership.  I'm looking for information on a dance or dance
type
> called the French Four.  I first encountered the term in the title of
a
> piece of music on Jim Kimball's Sackett's Harbor recording  -- the
"Niagara
> French Four" (ca 1812).  Subsequently, I discovered it as the name of
a
> rather simple straightforward contra dance, which surprised me since I
> wouldn't have thought the tune title to refer to a particular dance.
My
> next encounter with the term however, was in the Flett's book,
Traditional
> Dancing in Scotland,  which said that it was a term for a type of
dance
> derived from (or also called) the "Parisian Quadrilles", in which only
two
> couples would dance the head-couple figures of a quadrille.  I was
> intrigued by this idea of a two-couple quadrille and the French Four
as a
> dance type. I searched the Dance Instruction Manuals, Ca.1600-1920
web-site
> http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/dihtml/dihome.html but only came up with
> references to the contra dance, all essentially the same.
>
> Anyone have information on the origin of this dance, its name,
two-couple
> quadrilles or its relation to such?  Was the concept of just two
couples
> dancing the quadrille popular at one time?  The ECD repertoire has
quite a
> few Playford two-couple dances and some modern ones in that style but
> nothing I've come across from the late 18th -19th century.
>
> Michael Darby
>
>
>
>



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>the actives need to fly to get from one balance to the next. The inactives
>can breathe, or they can cheat and swing while the actives do their thing in
>A1.

Hmmm.  Not to be cranky, but i've always enjoyed this dance more when the
inactives participate by *getting out of the way*... that is, taking hands
and moving up or down the set between the casting actives.  It certainly
flows a lot better that way, and allows for some partner interaction
without "cheating".

cheers - Linda


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Anyone interested in the music for the trad Nfld dance Running the Goat can
go to the web site http://www.pigeoninlet.nfnet.com/seesound.htm, which has
the music portion of Kelly Russell's web site. Here there are a number of
very nice Nfld things.

As far as Running the Goat goes, there are two offerings of which I am
aware. Both recordings are of Frank Maher. There may be other versions, but
the web site doesn't list the tunes on the albums.

All the Best - Folk Music of St John's, Newfoundland has the tune on it.
There is no tune book, but this is a very listenable album of various
performers, mostly singing.

Close to the Floor - Newfoundland Dance Music also has the tune on it.
This has the original tune, plus three other tunes that the St. John's
musicians may play for this dance, and all the dance tunes on the album are
notated in the accompanying booklet.

Beware: ECD or even contra dancers may not believe that people actually
dance as fast as this music goes. However, they do dance it that fast, and
the dance also lasts longer than than most in the ECD repertoire. Good
cardiovascular fitness is recommended before starting. Similar energy
consumption to jogging.

John Patcai

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A reminder and announcement about this month's Tea Dance in Newton, to be held
on Sunday, February 13th, the day before Valentine's Day. This Tea Dance will
feature dances of the 1890's; after all, what could be more romantic than
to celebrate Valentine's Day with waltzes and other dances of the
high Victorian era?  Refreshments will also reflect this romantic theme.

We will be reviewing Waltz, Schottische, and possibly Polka for
beginners, and teaching an assortment of Waltz and Schottische
variations.  A little bit of Ragtime may also be permitted into our
otherwise staid and conservative ballroom, and a few Contras and
possibly some German Cotillions can be expected.  Teaching will be by
Dr. Patri Pugliese and Mr. Michael Bergman; Dr. Pugliese will also be
available to provide style hints to the more experienced dancers.

As usual, the location is the First Unitarian Society of Newton, 1320
Washington Street, West Newton, right next to the West Newton
Commuter Rail stop, and easily accessible by car, with free parking
in many locations nearby.  If you need more detailed directions,
please call (617) 964-7684 or write to eclectic-AT-
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The dance starts at 2 and runs till 5, with lovely refreshments
served at the break.  This month, as in many previous months, many of
the pastries will be supplied by the Liliputian Baking Company, a
very small firm composed of very small people who bake most excellent
small cakes.

Our music will be provided by some of the finest musicians in the
land, none of whom, unfortunately, will be in attendance; hence, they
will be present only by proxy, through the modern miracle of the
acoustic recording device originally invented by Mr. Edison, but
since perfected by Mr. Sony.

The price remains a low $5, remarkable in this day and age of wonders
and skyrocketing prices.

That's Boston, MA, for those of you in Ontario who might otherwise be confused.
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Good day.
given a limited budget, and little previous knowledge of the bands involved,
I have to choose a few (probably no more than 6) CDs to purchase amongst a
largish selection (17 titles, listed below).
Therefore, I will appreciate hearing from anyone who has strong feelings
(either in positive or negative) about any of these musicians and their
work, and who can help steer the available dollars toward their best
possible use. I am looking for good executions, which are pleasant to listen
and, if necessary, to dance, and do not care about historical accuracy or
period instruments.
[note: the Bare Necessities and Hold the Mustard CDs are not in the list
because I already own them]. Suggestions for other CDs not already in this
list will also be very welcome.
Please reply off-line to sbecd-AT-
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Thank you. Giovanni De Amici

list of CDs:
Assembly players;     Dance and danceability
Assembly players;     Assembly dances
Assembly players;     Walsh ball
Assembly players;     Playford from the new world
Assembly players;     New wine in old bottles
Assembly players;     Purcell ball
Assembly players;     Purcell encore
Contraband;           Nothing to declare
Cohen and Fleming;    Grand dancing master
Douglass et al;       Apollo's banquet
Dutch comfort;        Shades of Shaw
Kenton ramblers;      Dances of Pat Shaw
Playford consort;     Altenglishe country dances
Playford consort;     Bray's country dances
Pemberley players;    Pride and prejudice collection
York waits;           Punk's delight
Wild thyme;           Dutch crossing

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In a message dated 2/10/00 7:46:46 PM, you wrote:

<<Hmmm.  Not to be cranky, but i've always enjoyed this dance more when the
inactives participate by *getting out of the way*... that is, taking hands
and moving up or down the set between the casting actives.  It certainly
flows a lot better that way, and allows for some partner interaction
without "cheating".

cheers - Linda>>

Well, that's what makes horse racing. I actually prefer that they *not* get 
out of the way. Contra dancers, being non-ECDers, are not used to moving just 
to get out of the way. Half the dancers will move, and half will not, if 
instructed to move; if instructed to stay, nearly all will hold still. Having 
the inactives stay put gives the actives farther to go - a plus in this case, 
as it makes the dance brisker - and a definite target place for which to aim. 
As to cheating with a swing? Contra dancers love nothing more. But do it any 
way you like - I just happened to find myself at a dance where it was done as 
I indicated in the prior posting, and found that a dance I previously had 
found dull suddenly came to life. Of course, it could have been the music - 
as I recall, Mary Cay Brass was on piano, and Dave Kaynor was on fiddle....

Carl Friedman
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I am busy with a book of dances written by the late Ægle Hoekstra.
One dance he wrote presents a problem.
He called it simply *.* or Star.Star.
In Dutch this computer term is sterretje-punt-sterretje which we have tended
to pronounce star-point-star which indeed trips nicely off the tongue.
However modern computer terminology would seem to demand that this be
pronounced star-dot-star.
It has been suggested that this should be nailed down when the book is
published by defining how Star.Star should be pronounced.
The question is which do we use? The one that trips off the tongue or the
"correct" terminology?

The book and accompanying CD is expected to be ready about May.
Three numbers have been specially recorded and the CD publisher is busy
obtaining permission to reissue previous recordings (not easy when one is by
Simon and Garfunkel). The book is in its final correction phase.
Keep an eye on the NVS website for the announcement: http://www.nvs-dance.nl

Antony Heywood
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On Fri, 11 Feb 2000, Antony Heywood wrote:

> I am busy with a book of dances written by the late Ægle Hoekstra.
> One dance he wrote presents a problem.
> He called it simply *.* or Star.Star.
> In Dutch this computer term is sterretje-punt-sterretje which we have tended
> to pronounce star-point-star which indeed trips nicely off the tongue.
> However modern computer terminology would seem to demand that this be
> pronounced star-dot-star.
> It has been suggested that this should be nailed down when the book is
> published by defining how Star.Star should be pronounced.
> The question is which do we use? The one that trips off the tongue or the
> "correct" terminology?

My opinion:  Define it as the one which "trips off the tongue."  I believe
it is an illusion that there is a "correct" pronounciation outside of the
context in which the period/decimal point/dot has a particular meaning or
usage.  If you are reading a number with a decimal point, such as 365.24,
are you more likely to say "three hundred sixty-five dot two four" or
"three hundred sixty-five point two four"?  

Besides, we're so overwhelmed with thisandthat dot calm that I'm
fedupwiththisnonsense dot angry, and would be completely turned off by
star dot star...

Eric.Arnold
Ann.Arbor.MI.US


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Antony, Eric--
I really should let someone more computer-savvy respond to this, but I 
happened to see it, and couldn't resist.

*.* is a search command left over from the bad old days of DOS. It means 
(when you give it a set of characters to search for) to find anything that 
has those characters before or after it. Basically, it says to find 
everything to do with the search object.

BTW, I've never heard it pronounced any other way than "star dot star." 
Sorry, Eric!  :^)

JoAnne Rawls, also weary of 'dot-this' and 'dot-that,' but whatcha gonna do? 
It's here to stay.
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But what does computer terminology have to do with it?  It's the
title of a dance not a website.  Eric is correct that Star Point
Star, Star Dot Star, even Star Period Star, although not so
felicitous to the ear, are all equally valid English language
interpretations of that set of symbols.

--- JoAnne Rawls <ljrawls-AT-
hotmail.com> wrote:
> Antony, Eric--
> I really should let someone more computer-savvy respond to this,
> but I 
> happened to see it, and couldn't resist.
> 
> *.* is a search command left over from the bad old days of DOS. It
> means 
> (when you give it a set of characters to search for) to find
> anything that 
> has those characters before or after it. Basically, it says to find
> 
> everything to do with the search object.
> 
> BTW, I've never heard it pronounced any other way than "star dot
> star." 
> Sorry, Eric!  :^)
> 
> JoAnne Rawls, also weary of 'dot-this' and 'dot-that,' but whatcha
> gonna do? 
> It's here to stay.
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Actually it's Asterisk Period Asterisk to be completely correct.
I think it was computer people who, in their constant bid
shorten everything, started calling * a "star". Of course until
Windows 95 came along they had to shorten everything because
they had to make file names no longer than eight characters.

Andy Peterson
Portland, Oregon

--- Barbara Ruth <barbararuth-AT-
rocketmail.com> wrote:
> 
> But what does computer terminology have to do with it?  It's
> the
> title of a dance not a website.  Eric is correct that Star
> Point
> Star, Star Dot Star, even Star Period Star, although not so
> felicitous to the ear, are all equally valid English language
> interpretations of that set of symbols.
> 
> --- JoAnne Rawls <ljrawls-AT-
hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Antony, Eric--
> > I really should let someone more computer-savvy respond to
> this,
> > but I 
> > happened to see it, and couldn't resist.
> > 
> > *.* is a search command left over from the bad old days of
> DOS. It
> > means 
> > (when you give it a set of characters to search for) to find
> > anything that 
> > has those characters before or after it. Basically, it says
> to find
> > 
> > everything to do with the search object.
> > 
> > BTW, I've never heard it pronounced any other way than "star
> dot
> > star." 
> > Sorry, Eric!  :^)
> > 
> > JoAnne Rawls, also weary of 'dot-this' and 'dot-that,' but
> whatcha
> > gonna do? 
> > It's here to stay.
> > ______________________________________________________
> > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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> > 
> 
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> Nations World Food Programme for every visitor to the site.
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