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Marian Phillips asked-

 >So I'm wondering if anyone can name other movies where ECD tunes
 >were used, and if so, which ones?

"Cold Comfort Farm" had "Orange in Bloom" in it (a Morris tune if
not also ECD). Polanski's "Tess" started with an ECD scene, but I
haven't seen it since 1979 when it was new, and don't remember the
tune.

I'm sure there are others. C'mon... anybody else?

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To anyone interested in 16th-c. italian siding: I live in the Boston area,
have been an active member of the Boston center for many years, and would
be glad to set up a workshop on "Authentic Styles" at any time.  I can
describe the siding in words, but it's much easier to show, and I'm deeply
involved at the moment in trying to finish the modern edition of Lorin
(1685) that a group of us have been working on for 10 years! After that,
whenever that is, I can try words. Arranging for me to be on electronic
tape sounds complicated. If someone else will set it up, I'll try to do
it.

For those who are not able to come to Boston or environs, I'll be
presenting a paper on Lorin in 2001 at the Playford conference in England. 
Also I'm presenting a panel at Ghent in April, so those who are attending
can find me there.

I'm delighted at the interest--

Julia Sutton

As for the evidence on Sharp and Shaw, time prohibits my looking up Sharp,
but anyone else certainly can.  As for Shaw, he told me directly when we
talked years ago.

JS




On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, julia s sutton wrote:

> Re 16th-c. siding:
> 
> I'll be glad to show it to anyone interested. The original text is a bit
> confusing, but I think I've figured it out.  We could set up a date
> easily. Let me know what you think.
> 
> Julia
> 
> 
> On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, Michael J. O'Connor wrote:
> 
> > julia s sutton wrote:
> > > There is yet another authentic siding, in Italian sources of the late
> > > 16th-c. We have no way of knowing if this kind was ever used in country
> > > dances, though we know of Italian influences in England.   This kind is
> > > the most flirtatious of the three.
> > >
> > 	Well, I'm curious; Julia, could you describe this third kind?
> > 	Mike O'Connor
> > 
> 

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Andy,

My desire to discontinue Sharp is not based on a superficial desire for
historical accuracy, but on my search for the truth as a trained scholar
and dance historian.  In my book, there are all kinds of beauty; to me
there is a thrill in finding the beauty of the past and recreating it as
closely as possible.  While CDS is a wonderful source of fun, most of its
repertoire comes from the past; those beauties need to be recovered as
they were.

Julia





On Tue, 30 Nov 1999 adpete-AT-
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> julia s sutton <jsutton-AT-
world.std.com> wrote:
> >I personally would like to see Sharp's siding discontinued >except for those
> dances created after Sharp.
> >
> 
> To completely discontinue it you will likely meet with as much opposition from
> some of us as Sharp did when he tried to change what he had been teaching. I
> will personally lead the charge. I find the full face eye contact in Sharp siding
> more intimate than the sideways glance in Shaw's.
> 
> Your desire to discontinue it is only because what is "historically correct"
> is being recognized as Shaw's interpretation. It depends on whose history you
> refer to. I learned Playford with Sharp's interpretation because Shaw hadn't
> yet introduced his. *My* history says that those dances are done with Sharp
> siding and I find it awkward to use Shaw siding for many of them. It changes
> the way the dance flows. As Christine Helwig once said to me, "What's wrong
> with ninety years of tradition."
> 
> Andy in Portland, OR
> 

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Andy,

My desire to discontinue Sharp is not based on a superficial desire for
historical accuracy, but on my search for the truth as a trained scholar
and dance historian.  In my book, there are all kinds of beauty; to me
there is a thrill in finding the beauty of the past and recreating it as
closely as possible.  While CDS is a wonderful source of fun, most of its
repertoire comes from the past; those beauties need to be recovered as
they were.

Julia





On Tue, 30 Nov 1999 adpete-AT-
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> julia s sutton <jsutton-AT-
world.std.com> wrote:
> >I personally would like to see Sharp's siding discontinued >except for those
> dances created after Sharp.
> >
> 
> To completely discontinue it you will likely meet with as much opposition from
> some of us as Sharp did when he tried to change what he had been teaching. I
> will personally lead the charge. I find the full face eye contact in Sharp siding
> more intimate than the sideways glance in Shaw's.
> 
> Your desire to discontinue it is only because what is "historically correct"
> is being recognized as Shaw's interpretation. It depends on whose history you
> refer to. I learned Playford with Sharp's interpretation because Shaw hadn't
> yet introduced his. *My* history says that those dances are done with Sharp
> siding and I find it awkward to use Shaw siding for many of them. It changes
> the way the dance flows. As Christine Helwig once said to me, "What's wrong
> with ninety years of tradition."
> 
> Andy in Portland, OR
> 

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In a message dated 12/1/99 10:50:37 AM, DavBarnert-AT-
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<< I'm sure there are others. C'mon... anybody else? >>

I seem to remember that a film based on another Hardy novel, "Jude the 
Obscure" (called I think-duh-"Jude") had quite alot of EC dancing in it, but 
can't recall the tunes.
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Julia -

Thank you.  Sharp siding bothered me from the first time I met
it, long before I knew about Shaw siding.  There might be
Playford or other old dances that work better with Sharp-style
siding, but let it be known that we're then dancing a modern
variant.

Along that line, when an old dance is being reconstructed it
would be nice to have some indication in the text  of parts
that have implied as well as explicitly specified moves.
Urtext editions?

Gloria Krusemeyer

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Andy,

My desire to discontinue Sharp is not based on a superficial
desire for
historical accuracy, but on my search for the truth as a
trained scholar
and dance historian.  In my book, there are all kinds of
beauty; to me
there is a thrill in finding the beauty of the past and
recreating it as
closely as possible.  While CDS is a wonderful source of fun,
most of its
repertoire comes from the past; those beauties need to be
recovered as
they were.

Julia





On Tue, 30 Nov 1999 adpete-AT-
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> julia s sutton <jsutton-AT-
world.std.com> wrote:
> >I personally would like to see Sharp's siding discontinued
>except for those
> dances created after Sharp.
> >
>
> To completely discontinue it you will likely meet with as
much opposition from
> some of us as Sharp did when he tried to change what he had
been teaching. I
> will personally lead the charge. I find the full face eye
contact in Sharp siding
> more intimate than the sideways glance in Shaw's.
>
> Your desire to discontinue it is only because what is
"historically correct"
> is being recognized as Shaw's interpretation. It depends on
whose history you
> refer to. I learned Playford with Sharp's interpretation
because Shaw hadn't
> yet introduced his. *My* history says that those dances are
done with Sharp
> siding and I find it awkward to use Shaw siding for many of
them. It changes
> the way the dance flows. As Christine Helwig once said to
me, "What's wrong
> with ninety years of tradition."
>
> Andy in Portland, OR
>




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I'm posting this on behalf of the Spencertown Academy for those who live in 
the GAA (greater Albany Area), Western MA or who find themselves in & around 
Columbia County, NY:

Nowell Sing We Clear presented by The Spencertown Academy at St. Peter's

Church in Spencertown on Saturday afternoon, December 18 at 2 p.m. Tickets

are $15, $12 for Academy members, and $8 for children.  Reservations at

518-392-3693 or spencertown-AT-
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PS: From the Shameless Commerce Division: Second Annual post-concert dinner 
at the Blue Plate in Chatham will take place around 5:30. You are welcome to 
join the guys from NSWC (are you listening, guys?) for further merrymaking.

Judy

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Thanks to everyone who responded, both on and off list --

Marian

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On Tue, 30 Nov 1999 18:47:23 -0800 Heyer <Heyer-AT-
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> I recently noticed a tune in Barnes entitled "New Year's Day in the
> Morning," with a date of 1750, and was wondering if anyone could 
> point me to a source for the dance instructions (or even post them here
> if there aren't any copyright issues).
> 
> Thanks --
> 
> Marian Phillips

The dance instructions can be found in "English Country Dances,
Fallibroome Collection 3" by Bernard J Bentley, published & copyrighted
by EFDSS, 1980 (reprinted 1984 [at least]).  The historic source cited
therein is Johnson's "200 Favourite Country Dances...", c. 1750.

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Gloria wrote:

  Along that line, when an old dance is being reconstructed it
  would be nice to have some indication in the text  of parts
  that have implied as well as explicitly specified moves.
  Urtext editions?

Well, The Playford Ball (Keller & Shimer) very usefully reprints the
original publication of the dance description in facsimile along with the 
reconstructed dances, which allows you to draw your own conclusions.

Bentley, in the Fallibroome collections, is generally good about indicating
what he's added to or cut from the originals, although he doesn't give the
original descriptions.

This still doesn't directly address the question of whether, eg, 2s lead up
when 1s cast down if only the 1s move is specified.  Is that the kind of 
thing you're hoping to see?

-- Alan


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Well as long as someone else has posted their advertisement, er
announcement on this, Nowell Sing We Clear is also appearing in New
Haven, Connecticut on THIS SUNDAY, December 5, 1999 at 3:00 p.m. at
St. Thomas's Episcopal Church, 830 Whitney Ave.

For those not in the know, Nowell Sing We Clear, subtitled "A Pageant

of Midwinter Carols", is a festive celebration of Christmastime and
the mid-winter season, with traditional music, songs, and carols of
England and rural America, displays of step dancing and a traditional
Mummer's Play from Kentucky.

It is performed by John Roberts, Tony Barrand,Fred Breunig and Andy
Davis, names which should be known to all readers of this list, and
is an absolutely wonderful celebration of the season - so wonderful
that a nice Jewish girl like myself, goes to the effort of bringing
it to the New Haven area just so I can see the show myself!

Tickets: $14.00 in advance; $16.00 at the door; Children 12 & under
$8.00
Advance tickets on sale through the Foundry Music Co., 102 Audubon
St., New Haven   (203) 776-3650  or on the Web through: 
www.folktickets.com.






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Traditional songs, music and dance of the Christmas Season, including Mummers' Play
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Sunday, December 5, 1999  3:00 p.m. in New Haven, CT
St. Thomas's Episcopal Church, 830 Whitney Ave.
Tickets: $14.00 in advance, $16.00 at the door, Children 12 & under: $8.00
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--- JBGrun-AT-
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> I seem to remember that a film based on another Hardy novel, "Jude
> the 
> Obscure" (called I think-duh-"Jude") had quite alot of EC dancing
> in it, but 
> can't recall the tunes.

Are you sure that wasn't the one with the Beatles soundtrack?  You
know "Hey, Jude."


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Gloria,

Sharp siding is out of sync  with Playford dances, which require perfect
symmetry! 81th-c. siding provides that, and so does 16th-c. siding. Thanks
for your note. 

Julia Sutton



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Gloria,

Sharp siding is out of sync  with Playford dances, which require perfect
symmetry! 81th-c. siding provides that, and so does 16th-c. siding. Thanks
for your note. 

Julia Sutton



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                  The Central Illinois English Country Dancers
                                   Present An

                   E N G L I S H   C O U N T R Y   D A N C E
                          C H R I S T M A S   B A L L


   The Central Illinois English Country Dancers will be holding their fifth
annual Christmas Ball on Saturday, December 18, 1999.  The dance will be held
at the Channing-Murray Foundation, 1209 W. Oregon, Urbana, IL, on the campus of
the University of Illinois.  There will be a review of the evening's dances
from 7:00 to 8:00, followed by the Ball from 8:00 to 11:00 p.m.  Fans and
finery are encouraged.  Bring fruit or a dessert to share.  There will be a
$5.00 suggested donation to help cover the cost of the Ball.  All lovers of
English Country dance and music are welcome.

Dances Lead By: Jane Hobgood, Patricia Moffitt and Jonathan Sivier
Music Provided By: The Flatland Consort
Dance Review: 7:00 p.m.
Christmas Ball: 8:00 to 11:00 p.m.
Date: Saturday, December 18, 1999
Location: Channing-Murray Foundation, 1209 W. Oregon, Urbana, IL
Suggested Donation: $5.00

   There will be refreshments and a mummers' play at the break and a dessert
party following the dance.

   The evening's dances will be selected from the following list:

Chelmsford Assembly
Dargason
The Geud Man of Ballangigh
A Grand March
Hole In The Wall
Hunsdon House
Jack's Maggot
Jenny Pluck Pears
Jovial Beggars
Lili Burlero
Lull Me Beyond Thee
A Minuet
Shrewsbury Lasses
The Waterfall Waltz
The Wood Duck

   For further information contact Jonathan Sivier (j-sivier-AT-
uiuc.edu) at
217/359-8225 or Jane Hobgood at 217/328-1708.  You can check the Christmas
Ball website at http://www.prairienet.org/ciecd/xmas.html

   Thanks for the support of the Champaign Park District and the Urbana
Country Dancers.

   For those who are interested, the Urbana Country Dancers will be holding a
contra dance on Friday, December 17, from 8 to 11 p.m. at the Phillip's
Recreation Center, 505 W. Stoughton, Urbana.  Lisa Ornstein from Indianapolis
will be calling and the band will be Matty and the Cornstalkers.  Lisa will
be leading a free waltz workshop at 7:00 prior to the contra dance.

   Central Illinois English Country Dancers is a member of the Champaign
County Cultural Consortium.


                    If we don't see you at the Ball,
                    Then 'Happy Hols' to one and all!


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   Does anyone have a source for slang expressions from the Playford
period?  In particular I'd be interested in expressions that might
have been used by the people who did these dances.

   Thanks.

Jonathan
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This coming Sunday, December 5th, Country Dance*New York's annual Yuletide
Cotillion will take place from 3-6pm at the Refectory [Dining Hall] of
General Seminary, 175 Ninth Avenue between West 20th & West 21st Streets,
Manhattan.  The music will be provided by Bare Necessities, as they
conclude their glorious tristate weekend tour.  Helene Cornelius once more
will lead the dances.  As Many As Will will bring special food treats
(after all, this is New York....)

On a personal note: I am the organizer of the Cotillion, and will be
working in the hall from 1pm on; from noon till 1pm East Coast Time,
however, David and I will be glued in front of our television watching the
Santa.com holiday parade, produced by our son Phil, which will be broadcast
live from San Francisco on the USA cable network (and simultaneously on the
net at www.santa.com), and which will include the first and probably only
public performance of Joy to the World Wide Web (yes, friends, I wrote it,
don't all groan at once).  If you're in New York for the cotillion, come by
our house at the seminary and join us watching the parade--it should be a
hoot.  And *then* we'll get to dance!
Much love,
Sharon Green
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[snip]


> So I'm wondering if anyone can name other movies where ECD tunes were
used,
> and if so, which ones?
>
> Naturally, it's done a lot in the modern Jane Austen movies.  Check back
> through the ECD archive and you can probably find set lists for "Sense and
> Sensibility" and both versions of "Emma."

The url for the dances and music used in the Pride and Prejudice miniseries
is:

http://www.lll.hawaii.edu/esl/bley-vroman/contra/dances/austen.html



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My husband had promised his class that he wuld teach Levi Jackson at the
next class, Dec. 10.  Now he can't find his instructions, and the CDSS
office has it on order.

Can someone reply to me privately with the instructions?

Thank you in advance,
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Priscilla Burrage       Vermont US
(pburrage-AT-
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"Priscilla M. Burrage" wrote:

> My husband had promised his class that he wuld teach Levi Jackson at the
> next class, Dec. 10.  Now he can't find his instructions, and the CDSS
> office has it on order.
>
> Can someone reply to me privately with the instructions?
>
> Thank you in advance,
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Priscilla Burrage       Vermont US
> (pburrage-AT-
zoo.uvm.edu)

Priscilla:

I have a copy of Levi Jackson Rag in Pat Shaw's Pinewoods. Call me about it.

Ben

>
>



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For reasons too complicated to go into, the name of the MC for the
Elm City Ball coming up on January 22, was left out of the
announcements. I would like to rectify that and proudly announce that
the MC for this year's ball is Mary Jones, and that furthermore, the
program for the ball is now listed on the New Haven English Dance
page at http://pantheon.yale.edu/~bfr4/NH.English.html, which has
recently (i.e. about 5 minutes ago) been updated.

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Thank you to all who sent instructions.

By the way, they were all for one set.  I seem to remember doing it at
least once with dancers from one set moving on to another set.  Am I
right, or did I have too much preprandial conviviality?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Priscilla Burrage       Vermont US
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The "normal" configuration is 5 couples.  Variations 
include 2 5 couple sets with their open-ends joined, men 
doing the ladies chain...
Paul

On Thu, 02 Dec 1999 11:56:29 -0500 (EST) "Priscilla M. 
Burrage" <pburrage-AT-
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> Thank you to all who sent instructions.
> 
> By the way, they were all for one set.  I seem to remember 
> doing it at least once with dancers from one set moving on 
> to another set.  Am I right, or did I have too much 
> preprandial conviviality?
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Priscilla Burrage       Vermont US
> (pburrage-AT-
zoo.uvm.edu)
>                          
> 

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----- Original Message -----
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>
> On Tue, 30 Nov 1999 adpete-AT-
jps.net wrote:
>
> > julia s sutton <jsutton-AT-
world.std.com> wrote:
> > >I personally would like to see Sharp's siding discontinued
> > >except for those
> > >dances created after Sharp.
> >
> > To completely discontinue it you will likely meet with as much
> > opposition from some of us as Sharp did when he tried to change what
> > he had been teaching. I will personally lead the charge. I find the
> > full face eye contact in Sharp siding more intimate than the
sideways
> > glance in Shaw's.
> >
> > Your desire to discontinue it is only because what is "historically
correct"
> > is being recognized as Shaw's interpretation.
>
> she didn't say that, did she?  maybe she finds shaw's interpretation
> *works* better in the dances.
>
> i'm with julia on this one, for the most part: not out of a desire to
be
> historically correct, but because, while i like sharp siding in some
> dances (particularly those written with it in mind), i find it very
> awkward in others.
>
> to play devil's advocate to christine helwig, what's wrong with giving
> other interpretations a chance? you might be pleasantly surprised at
the
> way a dance would flow.  i've enjoyed the few reconstructions by colin
> hume that i've had a chance to try.  (i'd love to try his version of
> newcastle, but in my part of the country i think the version i presume
to
> be sharp's is too firmly entrenched.)
>
> susie lorand
> princeton, nj, usa
>
> > It depends on whose history you
> > refer to. I learned Playford with Sharp's interpretation because
Shaw hadn't
> > yet introduced his. *My* history says that those dances are done
with Sharp
> > siding and I find it awkward to use Shaw siding for many of them. It
changes
> > the way the dance flows. As Christine Helwig once said to me,
"What's wrong
> > with ninety years of tradition."
>
> > Andy in Portland, OR
>

With reference to Colin Humes reconstruction of Newcastle, the standard
version is pretty well entrenched in the north of England as well!!

However, Colins version has been known to be done up here - don't forget
you only need 8 consenting adults - but if you can get more that's all
the better! (and well worth the effort).

Trevor Monson
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At 11:56 AM 12/2/1999 -0500, you wrote:

>By the way, they were all for one set.  I seem to remember doing it at
>least once with dancers from one set moving on to another set. 

These spontaneous one-time-only variants do happen.  The version I remember
 best was done at 3 AM  at Suttle lake with 6 couples still awake, and only
5 able to dance each time.  We started rotating the extra one in and out,
gradually finding fewer and fewer people willing to roatate back in so it
became the Farewell Symphony Rag, with diminishing numbers each time until
only one person, without partner, was trying to dance.  At that point the
band quit, or we'd all still be there laughing our heads off. 

But neither of these versions is how the dance actually goes.  Sorry.
Write your own exploding set dance so we can all experience the fun you
had.   

Victoria  


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Hi,

Does anyone know of any ECD groups in the Akron/Canton area of Ohio?  I
tried English Country Dancing for the first time this summer and loved it,
but I can't find any groups that are near enough to me to join.  

Meredith Birmingham
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An interesting site about dance in general in the movies:
http://libweb.uoregon.edu/music/dancevidhist.html#Movies
Dianna L. Shipman
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Just in time to add to the whirlwind tour of the fab four from the North
East:

Nowell sing we clear in suburban Philadelphia on Friday, December 3rd.
7:30 p.m. at the Berwyn United Methodist Church, 140 Waterloo Avenue,
Berwyn. For ticket information and directions call BUMC at 610-644-5555.
See you there?

Hanny Budnick
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>There are also web pages describing the dances done in the movies made from
>Jane Austen's works  - I can look up the URLs if needed.
>Dianna L. Shipman
>diannashipman-AT-
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Dianna, would you kindly look up those Austen URLs for me?  I've been
calling a series of Jane Austen Balls in Central NY (getting ready for my
third one this Feb) and would love to take a look at what's out there as
resources.
......
I'm also wondering:
perhaps some of you might like to hear the most recent news about my
experiment in building audiences for English country dance? It was an
experiment that worked, and worked well... and there can never be enough
English dancers in some of these parts of the world!

I live in an Upstate New York community where English dancing  never quite
took hold. That is to say, no place for me to dance without a long drive.
I'm a musician by trade, and too much of that already!  I took as a goal
the project of  attracting --and holding the interest of--  as many
brand-spanking  new local dancers as possible, rather than trying to tie in
with the contra crowd, or attracting the eager english dancers from outside
the region.   I actually kept big publicity outside the region absolutely
mum, so that all the new dancers  would all be on equal footing  (as it
were) during our big event.  The idea, in short,  was to build a good old
fashioned sustainimg "dance community" from a void.

I used the idea of an Austen Ball as a focus, a goal, a spectacle. I  chose
also as a focal point a small, tightly knit community in the area, which
had a seed of interest and support through a local historic site. Word of
mouth and comraderie was going to be the impetus for this thing.

In order to build a core of dancers for that  first ball,  which was to be
held last February, I taught a series of four classes at the village's
private college, held weekly during winter intercession in January.  Some
college students, and many community members of all ages, and families
signed up.   The were associate courses as well, one in homemade period
costuming, and another in Jane Austen Literature.  This attracted still
more folks on the sly. Lots of folks signed up for all 3.

In order to "initiate" this core of 30-some dance students, I utilized a
montage of clips I had made of that recent spate of Austen films,  in order
to give folks an overview of where we were ultimately headed.  Yes, the
films were their first exposure to English dance! Odd, eh? But how else to
demontrate the look of the thing?

(I loved, by the way, looking at the filmed versions of these dances, and
studying why the choreographer created the variations that they did--
either to underscore thematic needs, or to execute long script passages in
the midst of the dance, etc.  Such a  artform, that!)

That solid core of student dancers  became the demonstrating  multitude at
the "pre-ball" public workshop, which attracted the core's friends, the
curious, and the historically and literary inclined. The new folks learned
fast in their newly-experieced c ompany.  Jane's Good Name did the work of
attracting area folks. The big publicity timed to hit the papers just
before the event did the rest.

By the time of our culminating Ball, word of mouth, comraderie, and
publicity, and Jane's Name brought us a huge sellout crowd, a very
delightful experience, and the courage to continue with  an outdoor
midsummer ball that would also go well. The crowd returned in June with
minimal outreach. Now we're on to our 2nd Annual mid-winter Austen Ball,
and I'm absolutely delighted.

As a would-be caller who didn't have opportunity to call because of the
lack of local dances, this brought  me what I needed to grow as well. We
were all winners!

If anyone has any questions or comments about this process of building
dance audiences, or more helpful hints, they'll be so very welcome.  It's
now that I most need the courage to go through all of this again, to go to
the next level!
Sondra Bromka


Sondra Bromka
Bells & Motley Consort
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the web page for Pride and Prejudice listing dances contained in the movie:
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Opsis/pp_dance.htm

this is the page with Emma which has dance titles and descriptions of the
dances:
http://www.pemberley.com/kip/emma/3dance.html

The Lively Arts History Assn out of California does a Jane Austen ball and
lists dances with descriptions at this page:
http://www.lahacal.org/austendances.html

The Jane Austen Society of North America page is located at:
http://www.jasna.org/

An extensive list of Jane Austen links can be found at:
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/2484/jalinks.htm

Hope that helps.  Enjoyed reading your approach to building a group -
perhaps I'll take a leaf from your book (and Jane's).  Good luck and keep
dancing,

Dianna

Dianna L. Shipman
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> >There are also web pages describing the dances done in the movies made
from
> >Jane Austen's works  - I can look up the URLs if needed.
> >Dianna L. Shipman
> >diannashipman-AT-
worldnet.att.net
>
> Dianna, would you kindly look up those Austen URLs for me?  I've been
> calling a series of Jane Austen Balls in Central NY (getting ready for my
> third one this Feb) and would love to take a look at what's out there as
> resources.
> ......
> I'm also wondering:
> perhaps some of you might like to hear the most recent news about my
> experiment in building audiences for English country dance? It was an
> experiment that worked, and worked well... and there can never be enough
> English dancers in some of these parts of the world!
>
> I live in an Upstate New York community where English dancing  never quite
> took hold. That is to say, no place for me to dance without a long drive.
> I'm a musician by trade, and too much of that already!  I took as a goal
> the project of  attracting --and holding the interest of--  as many
> brand-spanking  new local dancers as possible, rather than trying to tie
in
> with the contra crowd, or attracting the eager english dancers from
outside
> the region.   I actually kept big publicity outside the region absolutely
> mum, so that all the new dancers  would all be on equal footing  (as it
> were) during our big event.  The idea, in short,  was to build a good old
> fashioned sustainimg "dance community" from a void.
>
> I used the idea of an Austen Ball as a focus, a goal, a spectacle. I
chose
> also as a focal point a small, tightly knit community in the area, which
> had a seed of interest and support through a local historic site. Word of
> mouth and comraderie was going to be the impetus for this thing.
>
> In order to build a core of dancers for that  first ball,  which was to be
> held last February, I taught a series of four classes at the village's
> private college, held weekly during winter intercession in January.  Some
> college students, and many community members of all ages, and families
> signed up.   The were associate courses as well, one in homemade period
> costuming, and another in Jane Austen Literature.  This attracted still
> more folks on the sly. Lots of folks signed up for all 3.
>
> In order to "initiate" this core of 30-some dance students, I utilized a
> montage of clips I had made of that recent spate of Austen films,  in
order
> to give folks an overview of where we were ultimately headed.  Yes, the
> films were their first exposure to English dance! Odd, eh? But how else to
> demontrate the look of the thing?
>
> (I loved, by the way, looking at the filmed versions of these dances, and
> studying why the choreographer created the variations that they did--
> either to underscore thematic needs, or to execute long script passages in
> the midst of the dance, etc.  Such a  artform, that!)
>
> That solid core of student dancers  became the demonstrating  multitude at
> the "pre-ball" public workshop, which attracted the core's friends, the
> curious, and the historically and literary inclined. The new folks learned
> fast in their newly-experieced c ompany.  Jane's Good Name did the work of
> attracting area folks. The big publicity timed to hit the papers just
> before the event did the rest.
>
> By the time of our culminating Ball, word of mouth, comraderie, and
> publicity, and Jane's Name brought us a huge sellout crowd, a very
> delightful experience, and the courage to continue with  an outdoor
> midsummer ball that would also go well. The crowd returned in June with
> minimal outreach. Now we're on to our 2nd Annual mid-winter Austen Ball,
> and I'm absolutely delighted.
>
> As a would-be caller who didn't have opportunity to call because of the
> lack of local dances, this brought  me what I needed to grow as well. We
> were all winners!
>
> If anyone has any questions or comments about this process of building
> dance audiences, or more helpful hints, they'll be so very welcome.  It's
> now that I most need the courage to go through all of this again, to go to
> the next level!
> Sondra Bromka
>
>
> Sondra Bromka
> Bells & Motley Consort
> http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/Strasse/1558/
>
>

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Following the discussion on "Dealing with Mistakes" etc. has anybody
come across Hilary Herbert's dance "Waverley Ahoy!"?

On paper it looks an easy enough dance.  To date, in England, I
haven't found anybody who has got all the way through it.  The dance
hasn't been published yet, but people keep attempting the dance, most
likely by writing it down after having tried to dance it.

Anyway, after all the comments of how people like to help or be helped,
any comments on how to get through this dance without making a mistake
will be gratefully received!

I have had a word with Hilary, and she has agreed for the notation of
her dance to be put on the ECD listing, even though I think it will be
included in her next book.


Waverley Ahoy!     (4 couple longways, couples 2 and 4 improper)

A1    1-4    In fours, circle 1/2 way and turn single left.
         5-8    Middle four circle right 1/2 way and turn single right
while ends 2-hand turn partner once round.
A2    1-8    All face neighbour - straight heys for 4 starting right
shoulder.
B1    1-2    In fours top and bottom, 1/2 right hand star
         3-4    Middle four 1/2 left hand star while ends go single file
clockwise 1/4 round to sides of set.
         5-6    In fours on the sides, 1/2 right hand star
         7-8    Middle four 1/2 left hand star while ends go single file
clockwise 1/4 round to ends of set.
B2    1-8    Repeat B1


Progression is  3 1 4 2

She has written her own tune (please ask me for the dots if you want
them) but she says a 4 x 32 bar jig will be O.K.

So, please give it a try, and if you manage to get through it, what is
the secret?

Trevor Monson.





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>By the way, they were all for one set.  I seem to remember doing it at
>least once with dancers from one set moving on to another set.  Am I
>right, or did I have too much preprandial conviviality?

We did something  like that at Pinewoods this year by putting two 
sets close together and the people swapped from set to set.  Our set 
didn't work quite right, so I didn't get to swap.  So I can't explain 
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Mary Beth

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Trevor Monson wrote:
> 
> Waverley Ahoy!     (4 couple longways, couples 2 and 4 improper)
> 
> A1 1-4  In fours, circle 1/2 way and turn single left.
             W2 M1 W4 M3
             M2 W1 M4 W3
>    5-8  Middle four circle right 1/2 way and turn single right
> while ends 2-hand turn partner once round.
             W2 M4 W1 M3
             M2 W4 M1 W3
> A2 1-8  All face neighbour - straight heys for 4 starting right
> shoulder.
             Same
> B1 1-2  In fours top and bottom, 1/2 right hand star
             W4 M2 W3 M1
             M4 W2 M3 W1
>    3-4  Middle four 1/2 left hand star while ends go single file
> clockwise 1/4 round to sides of set.
                M4 W4
                M3 W2
                W3 M2
                W1 M1
>    5-6  In fours on the sides, 1/2 right hand star
                W2 M3
                W4 M4
                M1 W1
                M2 W3
>    7-8  Middle four 1/2 left hand star while ends go single file
> clockwise 1/4 round to ends of set.
             M2 W1 M1 W2
             W3 M4 W4 M3
> B2 1-8  Repeat B1:
     1-2  In fours top and bottom, 1/2 right hand star
             M4 W3 M3 W4
             W1 M2 W2 M1
     3-4  Middle four 1/2 left hand star while ends go single file
> clockwise 1/4 round to sides of set.
                W1 M4
                W2 M2
                M3 W3
                M1 W4
     5-6  In fours on the sides, 1/2 right hand star
                M2 W2
                M4 W1
                W4 M1
                W3 M3
     7-8  Middle four 1/2 left hand star while ends go single file
> clockwise 1/4 round to ends of set.
             W3 M1 W4 M2
             M3 W1 M4 W2
                          VOILA!
> 
> Progression is  3 1 4 2

> So, please give it a try, and if you manage to get through it, what is
> the secret?

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On Thu, 2 Dec 1999, Mary Beth Goodman wrote:

> >By the way, they were all for one set.  I seem to remember doing it at
> >least once with dancers from one set moving on to another set.  Am I
> >right, or did I have too much preprandial conviviality?
> 
> We did something  like that at Pinewoods this year by putting two 
> sets close together and the people swapped from set to set.  Our set 
> didn't work quite right, so I didn't get to swap.  So I can't explain 
> it - sorry.
> 
> Mary Beth
> 

As I recall, the two sets were placed "foot to foot" -- that is, with the
open ends of the "U" formation.  When the head couples reach the bottom of
their sets after the R & L back by the sides, as the sides circle, instead
of casting back to their own head position, they swap places with the
other head couple from the other set and go on around the other set to the
other head position, where they continue with the back-to-back in the new
position and proceed with the dance in the other set.  To get to the right
place in the other set, the head couples need to cross at bottom of their
original set, and I don't remember just how this was done so as to avoid
collision with the other head couple -- it could be with right hancs
across half way with the other heads, or R & L with partner & other heads,
or just rush-hour mingle with no hands to get through.  I don't recall
just what we did at PW.

Eric Arnold
 Ann Arbor

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Bruce Hamilton will teach one of his famous leaders workshops 
January 28-30, 2000 in Washington, D.C.  It will be an intensive 
workshop, beginning Friday evening and ending early afternoon on 
Sunday.  It is being sponsored by the Baltimore Folk Song Society 
(BFMS) and partially underwritten by the Folklore Society of 
Greater Washington (FSGW) with additional help from the CDSS's 
May Gadd Fund. 

We have given priority to our own local callers, but there 
are a few spaces left.   If you (or someone not on the list) are 
interested in participating, please contact me privately for further 
information.  If there are more applicants than space available by 
December 15, a lottery will determine the lucky participants.

Mary Kay Friday
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I wonder what Pat would think!

Also, then you have to play the tune 10 times, right?

Emily L. Ferguson
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The Lambertville and Princeton Country Dancers invite you to dance to the
music of Bare Necessities, with caller Scott Higgs...

When: tonight, Friday, December 3, 1999, 8-11 p.m.
Where: the Suzanne Patterson Center
	Princeton, NJ, USA -- Monument Drive, behind Borough Hall, near
	routes 206 & 27

What to wear:  
--clean, non-marking, soft-soled shoes
--layers, because the heat in the hall is broken (we'll have
space heaters for the band, and dancers will generate a lot of heat once
we're moving).  Hot drinks will be available!

What else to bring: munchies for the break

Where to park: once the parking lot outside the hall fills up, you can
park on Stockton Street (Route 206), or across stockton street at Trinity
Church if there's space, or on neighboring residential streets (Library
Place, Boudinot St.).  Carpooling recommended.  NJ Transit train & bus and
Suburban Transit bus are other good options.

Admission: $10

Apologies for the short notice; the organizers have had some complications
to deal with this year.  We expect it to be a wonderful dance.  Please
join us if you can.

--Susie Lorand
for LCD and PCD

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As to ninety years of Sharp--remember that Sharp disavowed his siding in
favor of a real one, when he found it.  Why continue to build on a fake
bottom? Sharp himself would have been embarrassed. He was a good scholar
for his time, and put no stock in his own invention.

I'm interested in all the pro and con opinions.  To me the truth is
paramount; so are several truths, which we have here, but even if you like
Sharp's invention it (as opposed to just being used to it), a fake's no
good in my opinion.

Intimacy is not the same as flirtation, and sideways glances are much
better at that!

Julia







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John Meechan:

What made you assume I was assuming anything?  As a dance historian
it is my business to be able to document any claims I make.  As I wrote,
however, I'm head over heels in Lorin right now--otherwise I'd gladly give
you chapter and verse.  Reread my note, and you'll see there are no
assumption, even without footnotes!.

Julia
On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, John Meechan wrote:

> The reason for differentiating is simple - they are different things! To
> specify which one to do could limit the amount of times you bump into your
> partner etc. If callers didn't stumble over these terms it is possible that
> the dancers may stumble over each other.
> 
> I would like to challenge the assumption that they didn't invent these
> terms/figures. I don't know whether they did or not, however they are their
> interpretations of Playford's instructions.
> 
> I don't think it is important to know who Cecil Sharp is, more what the
> figures of the dance are, however, it is nice to know more about what you
> are doing if it is to be more than aerobic exercise.
> 
> I believe that C# realised, at some stage after publication, that he had got
> it wrong but felt that 'curly' sidings were too established to change and
> might result in dancers stumbling over each other!
> 
> John Meechan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sharon A McKinley <smckinley-AT-
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> Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 2:18 PM
> Subject: sharp vs. shaw
> 
> 
> > re:
> >   sharp vs. shaw siding:
> >   maybe this has been brought up before, but i'm sorta wondering why
> > folks have started to use different terminology for so-called "sharp"
> > and "shaw" siding. in particular, curly siding, or whatever folks
> > manage to use for sharp siding, is awkward. of course i know that they
> > didn't invent these moves themselves, but certainly they popularized
> > them, and having a term that's instantly recognizable is a nice thing.
> > who cares if it's "accurate," anyway? and just what IS accurate?
> > callers keep stumbling over the terms because they're trying to be PC
> > and they have to think twice every time they teach. among lots of
> > other reasons i can think of for continuing to use "sharp siding" is
> > the fact that many people don't have the slightest idea who sharp WAS,
> > and here's a chance to tie him right in. don't flame me, i know i'm
> > only a dilettante, but i'd like to see what other folks think....
> >   sharon "cecil WHO?" mckinley, and not an official dance
> > terminologist for any government agency
> >
> 

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Mr. Bremer,

I'm glad to agree with most of your note.  I'm puzzled, however, by what
you say of the Morris.  What is the basis for your belief that the Morris
steps and figures, as we know them today, antedate country dance figures?
The age of the Morris, I know, is greater, but evidence for its steps and
figures is not so precise, at least to my knowledge.  This is a serious
question, for if you have evidence, I am eager to see it.

Julia Sutton





On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, John Bremer wrote:

> First, this is not Sharp VERSUS anyone.
> 
> Second, Sharp interpreted the Playford movement incorrectly at first, 
> but he invented a quite delightful figure which was known as "siding" 
> from about 1912 onwards. This became so established that when Sharp 
> finally figured out what the siding in Playford really was (which he did 
> before Pat Shuldham-Shaw was born) it was too late to change.
> 
> Third, I proposed in a recent biography of Sharp that we should use 
> "siding" for what we have done in the EFDSS and CDSS tradition for more 
> than eighty years, and use "side-by-side" for the shoulder to shoulder 
> movement. This seems so unobjectionable that it should command ready 
> assent (except from those with some other agenda)and is descriptive 
> enough to be intelligible to most.
> 
> Fourth, Sharp's difficulty is somewhat surprising since he knew that the 
> basic figures of Playford set dances were derived from the 
> Morris--forward and back a double corrsponds to foot up, siding (that 
> is, side by side) with side by side, arming with half-gyp, and the hey 
> (country dance style) with the Morris hey. The latter figure was the 
> most potent and magical figure in the Morris and was changed slightly 
> when adopted for country dancing--which is USUALLY done either by men 
> and then by women separately, or, if done simultaneously, is NOT done as 
> a mirror hey (which is the Morris form).
> 
> Please, siding and side-by-side. JB
> 

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Mr. Bremer,

I'm glad to agree with most of your note.  I'm puzzled, however, by what
you say of the Morris.  What is the basis for your belief that the Morris
steps and figures, as we know them today, antedate country dance figures?
The age of the Morris, I know, is greater, but evidence for its steps and
figures is not so precise, at least to my knowledge.  This is a serious
question, for if you have evidence, I am eager to see it.

Julia Sutton





On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, John Bremer wrote:

> First, this is not Sharp VERSUS anyone.
> 
> Second, Sharp interpreted the Playford movement incorrectly at first, 
> but he invented a quite delightful figure which was known as "siding" 
> from about 1912 onwards. This became so established that when Sharp 
> finally figured out what the siding in Playford really was (which he did 
> before Pat Shuldham-Shaw was born) it was too late to change.
> 
> Third, I proposed in a recent biography of Sharp that we should use 
> "siding" for what we have done in the EFDSS and CDSS tradition for more 
> than eighty years, and use "side-by-side" for the shoulder to shoulder 
> movement. This seems so unobjectionable that it should command ready 
> assent (except from those with some other agenda)and is descriptive 
> enough to be intelligible to most.
> 
> Fourth, Sharp's difficulty is somewhat surprising since he knew that the 
> basic figures of Playford set dances were derived from the 
> Morris--forward and back a double corrsponds to foot up, siding (that 
> is, side by side) with side by side, arming with half-gyp, and the hey 
> (country dance style) with the Morris hey. The latter figure was the 
> most potent and magical figure in the Morris and was changed slightly 
> when adopted for country dancing--which is USUALLY done either by men 
> and then by women separately, or, if done simultaneously, is NOT done as 
> a mirror hey (which is the Morris form).
> 
> Please, siding and side-by-side. JB
> 

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On Fri, 3 Dec 1999, julia s sutton wrote:

> I'm interested in all the pro and con opinions.  To me the truth is
> paramount; so are several truths, which we have here, but even if you like
> Sharp's invention it (as opposed to just being used to it), a fake's no
> good in my opinion.

Good for what? A dissertation's one thing, a historically-informed
demonstration or re-enactment is another, and a weekly dance is another
still. If one acknowledges (at said weekly dance) that the siding being
done is a modern innovation, then perhaps it will wash, along with the use
of pianos, Boehm flutes, recently-composed dances and a microphone for the
caller. Not to mention central heating. 

Peace.
Paul
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Michael,

Thanks for the time taken to reply, and for showing all the various
positions during the dance.  However, maybe some misunderstanding in the
translation across the water?!

We know where we are meant to be, it's the problem of connecting the
brain to the feet of all 8 dancers in the set, at the same time, and how
to stop people going walkabout and getting in the wrong stars.

Try dancing it! (As I said - it looks easy on paper)

Trev.
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> Trevor Monson wrote:
> >
> > Waverley Ahoy!     (4 couple longways, couples 2 and 4 improper)
> >
> > A1 1-4  In fours, circle 1/2 way and turn single left.
>              W2 M1 W4 M3
>              M2 W1 M4 W3
> >    5-8  Middle four circle right 1/2 way and turn single right
> > while ends 2-hand turn partner once round.
>              W2 M4 W1 M3
>              M2 W4 M1 W3
> > A2 1-8  All face neighbour - straight heys for 4 starting right
> > shoulder.
>              Same
> > B1 1-2  In fours top and bottom, 1/2 right hand star
>              W4 M2 W3 M1
>              M4 W2 M3 W1
> >    3-4  Middle four 1/2 left hand star while ends go single file
> > clockwise 1/4 round to sides of set.
>                 M4 W4
>                 M3 W2
>                 W3 M2
>                 W1 M1
> >    5-6  In fours on the sides, 1/2 right hand star
>                 W2 M3
>                 W4 M4
>                 M1 W1
>                 M2 W3
> >    7-8  Middle four 1/2 left hand star while ends go single file
> > clockwise 1/4 round to ends of set.
>              M2 W1 M1 W2
>              W3 M4 W4 M3
> > B2 1-8  Repeat B1:
>      1-2  In fours top and bottom, 1/2 right hand star
>              M4 W3 M3 W4
>              W1 M2 W2 M1
>      3-4  Middle four 1/2 left hand star while ends go single file
> > clockwise 1/4 round to sides of set.
>                 W1 M4
>                 W2 M2
>                 M3 W3
>                 M1 W4
>      5-6  In fours on the sides, 1/2 right hand star
>                 M2 W2
>                 M4 W1
>                 W4 M1
>                 W3 M3
>      7-8  Middle four 1/2 left hand star while ends go single file
> > clockwise 1/4 round to ends of set.
>              W3 M1 W4 M2
>              M3 W1 M4 W2
>                           VOILA!
> >
> > Progression is  3 1 4 2
>
> > So, please give it a try, and if you manage to get through it, what
is
> > the secret?
>



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Eric,

Attached is jpg of tune for Waverley Ahoy.

As I've only been on the internet a few months (and not had a PC for
much longer), I'm still trying to find my way around with different file
types etc., so hope this is legible when it gets to you.  (The photocopy
I scanned was very pale, but I hope I increased that enough before
changing the file to a jpg).  I'll send it to the ECD listing as an
attachment as it seems a fairly small file.  If it is unreadable please
let me know - I'll either send you a larger file, or work out the "ABC"
notation, but as I have only just found that, I haven't tried to enter a
tune yet!

Hilary Herbert's book is called "Hilary's Humours" and contains the
notation for 20 tunes and 9 tunes.  A CD or tape is also available to
accompany the book, and contains music for 12 of the dances.  The
CD/tape is by "Triple Thyme" which is part of the "Wild Thyme" band, and
all are available from Cotswold Music at cotswoldmusic-AT-
ndirect.co.uk
They also have a Website at http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~cotswoldmusic

The book has some (I think!) really good dances - and is worth every
penny just for "St. Vignalis' Garden" (2 couples); "The Silver Nutmeg"
(a 3 couple circle with the nursery rhyme tune) and "Lakeside" (a waltz
in square formation).  And there are still another 17 to go at after
those little gems. (Advert Over!)

Trevor Monson


----- Original Message -----
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To: Trevor Monson <tmonsont-AT-
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Sent: Friday, December 03, 1999 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: Waverley Ahoy!


>
>
> On Fri, 3 Dec 1999, Trevor Monson wrote:
>
> > Following the discussion on "Dealing with Mistakes" etc. has anybody
> > come across Hilary Herbert's dance "Waverley Ahoy!"?
>
> It's not a dance I know yet, but I really like the dances which change
> their orientation from up & down to across & back, so I'm intrigued.
>
> > I have had a word with Hilary, and she has agreed for the notation
of
> > her dance to be put on the ECD listing, even though I think it will
be
> > included in her next book.
>
> I'd like very much to get the dots, too.  Can you put it out in abc or
in
> gif on a web page or something?
>
> That won't keep me from buying her book(s) -- in fact, it's more
likely to
> whet the appetite.  I'd like to find out what she has already
published,
> and how to get it.
>
> Eric Arnold
>  Ann Arbor, MI, US
>
>


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I know who Sharp is, but who is Shaw, and has he published any books?

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Trevor --

No problem with the commercial for Hilary's book; it sounds interesting,
and perhaps CDSS should make arrangements to carry the book and tune set 
over here, as they do with various other UK publications.  (Or do the 
authors/publishers initiate the arrangements?  I don't know, but I know
it's easier not to have to go through a currency exchange and transatlantic
shipping, and that at summer camps I can leaf through the books before buying
them.)

However, please don't post binary attachments - like jpegs - to the list.
If you have a binary, either put it up on the web or offer to mail it to
anybody who asks.  Quite a lot of us will only see the MIME gibberish from
the attachment, and those who read the digest will need to scroll through
page after page of it.

How, you might ask, are you supposed to post tunes on the list?  The best
answer isn't very good.  Look into ABC tune notation, which is an ASCII
representation of musical notes; not too hard for musicians to deal with.
(It's used extensively on the morris dancing discussion list.)  The reason
it isn't good is that you can't just scan something and get abc of it; you
have to read the music and write the code.  (Actually, if you have all the
right hardware and the right public domain software, you can play the tune
on a MIDI keyboard and get ABC output, but that's asking a lot.)

Curiously, this hasn't come up here very often.

Best,

-- Alan (in the role of list owner)

PS: Everybody else, don't jump on Trevor over this.  It's covered.


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To all you folks with English-Dance-interested associates in Central New York;

Thanks for  enlisting  your friends and relatives! This is great news!
                                                        (And I wonder if
they know you've enlisted them...)

DATE  of the next Ball:  Feb. 5, 2000

LOCATION:   Cazenovia, a village about 10 miles east of Syracuse, specific
venue TBA. Last year was the historic Linklaen House.

WORKSHOPS:  We're still working on time and date of the workshop(s) to
prepare dancers,  new and old.
Quite possibly, that same afternoon, perhaps with a potluck between times.

Do have your enlistees get in touch with me to be kept abreast of emerging
details.
I keep an email list of folks who want to receive dance info, if they want
to be included on that.

Also mention for folks to keep an eye to our web page for the final
details, as well as our "Bells & Motley Consort" Christmas Concert
performance schedule.   Our seasonal programs are of Victorian,
Renaissance, (British Isles and French) and other quirky music and
traditions,  withthe occasional participatory mummer's play to boot.  All
this will probably be right up their alley as well.

Welcome Yule'All!

Sondra Bromka

Sondra Bromka
Bells & Motley Consort
http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/Strasse/1558/


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Dear Gene Murrow,

I'll gladly accept the offer to do a workshop in Venice, provided, of
course, that you pay my way!

Julia





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Dear Gene Murrow,

I'll gladly accept the offer to do a workshop in Venice, provided, of
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Julia





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Heyer wrote:

> So I'm wondering if anyone can name other movies where ECD tunes were used,
> and if so, which ones?

Pet peeve -- I hate it when the movie doesn't list the tunes in the credits.  I
hate having the name on the tip of my tongue, but not remembering exactly what
it is.  And I don't know how many documentaries I've watched twice -- once for
the show and once again to figure out the background music.  :-)

--Charlene

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Fiona asked:

 >I know who Sharp is,

So far, so good...

 >but who is Shaw,

I don't see any other answers yet (I'm on the digest, and it's
been an hour and a half since the last installment, so apologies
if someone's answered this already) so I'll take the stab...

Pat Shaw was (died 1977) a well-loved and prolific composer and
choreographer of many favorite ECDs: Bare Necessities, Levi
Jackson Rag, Miss DeJersey's Memorial, etc, etc. He also wrote a
lot of great rounds: Welcome to Our Saviour, I Sat Down with the
Duchess, We'd Be in Less Danger, etc.

 >and has he published any books?

See the CDSS Store web site (8 entries):

http://www.cdss.org/sales/english_dance.html

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One of our favourite Dutch callers, Ęgle (say Aygler) Hoekstra (say
Hookstra) died two weeks ago aged 47 after a long battle against cancer. Not
only was he a caller and a regular visitor to Sidmouth International
Festival -- yes he was there this year for the last time -- but he also
composed dances. His "Hemel Hempstead Roundabout" was on the CD "Dutch
Crossing"; his "Something Elsche" was published in English Dance and Song
and two of his dances reached the last 12 of the Dance Search competition in
England a couple of years ago and "Star.Star" won third prize.

The Dutch Folk Dance Society, NVS, is prepar