Archive-Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 13:39:22 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 16:38:38 -0500 (EST) From: "Susan R. Lorand" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Philippe Callens in Titusville, NJ--Friday, April 2 To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT With apologies for the conflict with Good Friday... Philippe Callens' next appearance in the U.S. will be at the First Friday English dance in Titusville, NJ (sponsored by the Lambertville Country Dancers); music by Cynthia Simonoff, Paul Prestopino, Susie Lorand, and friend(s). Time: 8-11 p.m., but come early if you'd like to help set up. Admission is discounted for those bringing homemade goodies to share. (We hope to have some that are suitable for Passover. Fresh fruit is always welcome!) Location: Education building of Titusville United Methodist Church, just off River Road (Route 29) on Church Road (1st traffic light south of Lambertville; 2nd traffic light north of I-95). More detailed directions can be found on our web page, , or e-mail me off-list (before 4 p.m. Friday!). Phone nos. for info: 609-252-0248; 609-882-7733; 609-393-3762. Also: Saturday, April 3, Philippe gives a workshop and calls the evening English dance at Summit Church in Philadelphia. Check their web page for more details: . See you there! Susie Lorand Princeton, NJ, USA, etc. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 14:45:52 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 17:45:09 -0500 From: JHMTurner Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Review To: ECD List Message-ID: <199904011745_MC2-7054-2D99-AT- compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Review ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 01:23:35 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 10:19:48 +0100 From: Barry McNamara Subject: Re: Review To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <003101be7cea$19ce6220$c7078cd4-AT- wilf> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT What are we reviewing today John or are we just "having a senior moment " as Terry would say ?????"""""*********** don't worry John your secret is well kept , it's the age factor ! from someone who is a regular in the senior moment business. -----Original Message----- From: JHMTurner To: ECD List Date: 01 April 1999 23:49 Subject: Review Review ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 11:19:01 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 20:14:54 +0100 From: Barry McNamara Subject: An apology To: "ECD-AT- playford" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <001b01be7d3d$4214f7a0$88128cd4-AT- wilf> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/ALTERNATIVE; BOUNDARY="Boundary_(ID_H6M+BrZdXKjJXBcrkWaJIA)" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_H6M+BrZdXKjJXBcrkWaJIA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT My apology to all for today's indiscretion.Yes, a real senior moment. --Boundary_(ID_H6M+BrZdXKjJXBcrkWaJIA) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
My apology to all for today's indiscretion.Yes, a real senior moment.
--Boundary_(ID_H6M+BrZdXKjJXBcrkWaJIA)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 11:12:41 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 15:12:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Arnold Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Easter Tuesday To: ECD Mailing List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Barlow lists a tune by the name of "Easter Tuesday," as a tune new to the 9th edition of Playfrod (1695), and I vaguely recall seeing a dance by that name somewhere. My indices (Rogers 1986 and McIntyre & Howe 1992) don't list a dance by that name. I'd like to determine if a dance by that name actually exists, and if so, I'd like to get the instructions. Any help anyone on this list can provide would be highly appreciated. Thanks! Eric Arnold (who just did "Easter Eve" yesterday evening to lead off the dances in the English session at the Ann Arbor Dawn Dance weekend, and who has another dance to call this coming Tuesday...) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 18:19:13 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 22:21:15 +0000 From: Rich Galloway Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Easter Tuesday To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199904050309.XAA23953-AT- ns.kreative.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Per Eric's request. Easter Tuesday (longways duple minor) A1 1-4 M1 cast to 2nd place & turn single. (M2 moving up.) A2 1-4 W1 cast to 2nd place & turn single. (W2 moving up.) B1 1-4 Partners back to back. 5-8 Neighbors back to back. B2 1-4 Rights & lefts 4 changes. There is also a very different dance to an interesting tune in Walsh called "White hard Cabages; or Easter Tuesday." (Boring dance for the 2s and 3s though.) ==================================================== Rich Galloway Silver Spring, MD ==================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 14:48:50 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 17:48:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Arnold Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Easter Tuesday To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Thanks, Rich (& the others who helped through responses directly to me). Do you know a simple way to access "Walsh" akin to the Playford publications available on the web through L.C.? Eric ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 19:29:53 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 22:29:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Tideswell-AT- aol.com Subject: NYC Playford To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <83882bc5.243acb78-AT- aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I'm looking for a ride to the Northampton area after the upcoming NYC Playford. Does anybody out there know of someone from that part of the world who is driving to NY for the Ball? Thanks! Nilos Nevertheless ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 21:33:07 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 00:34:43 +0000 From: Rich Galloway Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Easter Tuesday To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199904060523.BAA24787-AT- ns.kreative.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT To the best of my knowledge, "Walsh" is not yet available on the Web. The Library of Congress has copies of books 1 and 2 of his "Compleat Country Dancing Master," so I expect they will eventually add it to their "An American Ballroom Companion: Dance Instruction Manuals" web site. And, Sharon kindly pointed out that B2 should read "1-8," not "1-4". (Hey, I'm never a good proof-reader and the dryer was buzzing . . . ) Anyway, I understand from Mary Kay, that Jacqueline Schwab has also interpreted this dance. More or less identical to the one I gave, except, of course, that B1 and B2 have the same number of bars in her version. :-) > Thanks, Rich (& the others who helped through responses directly to me). > Do you know a simple way to access "Walsh" akin to the Playford > publications available on the web through L.C.? > > Eric > > > ==================================================== Rich Galloway Silver Spring, MD ==================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 22:55:05 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 00:44:55 -0400 From: catdancer-AT- juno.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: NYC Playford To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <19990406.015301.8998.27.catdancer-AT- juno.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <83882bc5.243acb78-AT- aol.com> Hi Nilos - As Hospitality coordinator, I do have a small bit of information that may help you. Robin Hayden will be coming to the ball. However, she is not driving home that night - she is planning to stay with the Murrows. The only other person I know of is Victor Skowronski who is from Woburn MA (wherever that is). I also heard through the grapevine that Frank Attanasio will be coming, but I don't have him on my list. He's also more from the Boston area than Northampton. If you're really stuck, you can get a Peter Pan bus from Port Authority to Northampton. I forgot how much the fare is, but the ride isn't bad. Glad you'll be with us for the ball. It wouldn't be special without you. Helen On Mon, 05 Apr 1999 22:29:12 -0400 (EDT) Tideswell-AT- aol.com writes: >I'm looking for a ride to the Northampton area after the upcoming NYC >Playford. Does anybody out there know of someone from that part of >the world >who is driving to NY for the Ball? > >Thanks! > >Nilos Nevertheless > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 15:49:38 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 15:49:23 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: ECD admin note: Recent digest problems To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01J9PV7CFMS09ED9BN-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Folks -- Yesterday evening, digest subscribes received number 486 after a few weeks of silence. It was much larger than usual. I haven't had any "mailbox full" bounces from it, for which I'm grateful. Short form: There was a problem. It's fixed now. I'm sorry. If you want to know grittier details, read on: There's supposed to be a job that runs every night on my workstation that reviews the stock of ECD posts and, if there are enough to make it worthwhile, or if it's been more than three days since the last digest and there are _any_ posts, sends out a digest. The scheduling process that runs the digestifier (as well as a few other things) died while I was out of town for ten days, and I didn't notice until yesterday when something else failed to run. So I restarted the scheduler, it ran the digester on everything that hadn't been sent, and you got a big honkin' digest. Sorry about that; it's the first time I've had a problem with the scheduler. I've been asked a couple of times whether I could make the digestifier put the posts in chronological order, or subject line order, or (my favorite) chronological within subject line. This request is more pressing when you get a digest with 42 messages in apparently random order. Unfortunately, I can't easily do this. I'd have to rewrite the digestifier, and it would need to read all the mail messages and sort them in memory in chronological order -- personally, I'd prefer chronological within subject line, so you'd have threads together -- and write them out, and I just haven't had time to mess with it. The digestifier is freeware, like the mailing list manager, and it works really reliably, also llike the mailing list manager, so I'd rather not take a chance on screwing it up, especially in the limited amount of free time I have to make changes. And it's hard to test. This isn't that big an annoyance when it comes more frequently. My apologies for the inconvenience, and for being sufficiently distracted by other stuff that I didn't figure it out immediately upon my return. -- Alan =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA 94309-0210 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 16:31:18 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 16:30:49 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: ECD: A Trip to Virginia; improved? To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01J9PVRA46WI9ED9BN-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Folks -- With a trip to Colonial Williamsburg in prospect, I was intrigued to find A TRIP TO VIRGINIA in Fallibroome vol 3. (I also have a vague project of checking all the dances in Barnes, at least well enough to determine whether they have a place in my repertoire.) Below is my close paraphrase of the Fallibroome rendition of the dance, so you can see what I'm talking about. (I wouldn't post somebody's newly-composed dance without their permission; I figure dances from 1750 are probably fair game.) ============================== A TRIP TO VIRGINIA (Johnson, 1750, Fallibroome 3) Barnes, B-flat, key 2/4 Longways triple minor (perhaps best done in Scottish-style 4-couple sets). * * * * A1: 1s and 2s set and change places with partner; repeat to place. A2: 1s cross, go below 2s (who move up) and turn two-hands halfway. B1: 1s set diagonally to the right diagonal; turn them and finish facing the other diagonal from an improper place (in the same line as them); turn the other diagonal two hands and finish improper in middle. B2: Circle six to the left once round; 1s half-figure 8 up to end proper and progressed. ================================ Some comments: Bentley doesn't generally give you a lot of help on timing, or a lot of explicitness about where you end up facing after turns. The tune is a sprightly jig, but it doesn't seem to be killer. The timing on A2 seems odd. If it breaks down as Measures 1-2: Cross 3-4: Cast 5-8: Turn two hands halfway there's an awful lot of time to turn halfway. The people I watched make this part look good did a very wide cross and cast, arrived in improper place at about measure six, and then did a skipping turn one and a half. The timing would be sort of vaguely plausible if this were originally a minuet, but the music doesn't suggest (to me, anyway) that it was. B1 is very cool, but geographically very confusing to people who don't know offhand who their contra corners are. If you do the 4-couple longways, everybody only gets two chances at being first couple, so they don't have a lot of time to figure it out, but the dance doesn't seem to justify taking the time to walk all four couples. Unfortunately, confusion in B1 is fatal because you end up late to start the circle in B2 (which seems to need to be a slipping circle to get all the way around in four) anyway, and if you're late for that there's no time to recover before the next round of the dance. So, first, has anyone out there who's done the dance have comments on timing or geography? Second, can someone with access to Johnson comment on Bentley's interpretation? Otherwise, I have some changes that I think can make the dance less of a challenge to enjoy. This is revision, not interpretation, and I haven't had a chance to try it yet, although I probably will this Friday. ********** A2: 1s cross, go below 2s (who move up) and turn right hands once or twice, ending improper facing left. (1st contra corner if you were proper.) B1: 1s on the line set to the left-hand person; turn them right hand all the way, ending in the same spot but facing right-hand person. Set, turn right hand all the way, ending in the middle facing in, ready for B2. ********** -- Alan =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA 94309-0210 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 19:00:32 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 21:59:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Tideswell-AT- aol.com Subject: Re: ECD: A Trip to Virginia; improved? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <2d77a3ed.243c15eb-AT- aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > (I wouldn't post somebody's >newly-composed dance without their permission; I figure dances from 1750 >are probably fair game.) Depends on what you mean by 'new', I guess. In geological time that's a mere nothing..... ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 19:33:38 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 22:33:26 -0400 From: "Michael L. Siemon" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD: A Trip to Virginia; improved? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU CC: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT At 9:59 PM -0400 4/6/99, Tideswell-AT- aol.com wrote: >> (I wouldn't post somebody's >>newly-composed dance without their permission; I figure dances from 1750 >>are probably fair game.) > >Depends on what you mean by 'new', I guess. In geological time that's a mere >nothing..... Ah, but does Barney (or anyone) have a genetic memory of the English Country Dances of the Triassic? ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 00:11:08 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 00:10:59 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: ECD: A Trip to Virginia; improved? To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01J9QCUPGBIW9EFOB4-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT >>> (I wouldn't post somebody's >>>newly-composed dance without their permission; I figure dances from 1750 >>>are probably fair game.) >> >>Depends on what you mean by 'new', I guess. In geological time that's a mere >>nothing..... >Ah, but does Barney (or anyone) have a genetic memory of the English >Country Dances of the Triassic? More appropriately for English Country Dancing, the Devonian. -- Alan =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA 94309-0210 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 11:22:36 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 13:48:54 -0400 From: "Registrar, Washington Spring Ball" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Washington Spring Ball, May 15 To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <4.1.19990410134103.0096a490-AT- 206.239.214.10> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/ALTERNATIVE; BOUNDARY="Boundary_(ID_wbXXxA3XX2AXFAmxuqAplg)" --Boundary_(ID_wbXXxA3XX2AXFAmxuqAplg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Folklore Society of Greater Washington Annual Washington Spring Ball Saturday, May 15, 1999 NOTE CHANGE OF VENUE: since our last post to the listserv, the location of the Ball has changed to the Whitby Gym; we are sad to say that the Forest Glen Ballroom is not available due fire code standards not being met. We are happy to report that registrations are moving smoothly and many out-of-town dancers have already registered. We hope that more readers of the ECD listserv at the Ball. Playing at this year's Ball will be musicians Liz Donaldson (piano), Andrea Hoag (violin) and Marty Taylor (flute). Admission is by prior reservation: $20 for members of FSGW, BFMS or CDSS; $22 for nonmembers. Reception: 7:30 p.m. Dance: 8:00 p.m. This year, dances WILL be called for a few rounds; there will be no walk-throughs. Dancers will be expected to be familiar with the program, which is being practiced during out regular weekly dances. A practice session will be conducted at Rosemary Hills Elementary School on the afternoon of the Ball from 2:00-4:00. Hospitality is being provided by local dancers. For more info, make our web site your first visit: www.just.net/~roger/ball99.html, or, contact the Ball Chair, Stephanie Smith, at 301-229-3577; Roger Broseus via Email: English-AT- fsgw.org. The program of dances, driving directions, and a registration form, appear at the web site. Roger W. Broseus Registrar, Washington Spring Ball Ido-AT- exist.com H: 301-365-0611 W: 301-496-5774 --Boundary_(ID_wbXXxA3XX2AXFAmxuqAplg) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Folklore Society of Greater Washington
Annual Washington Spring Ball
Saturday, May 15, 1999

NOTE CHANGE OF VENUE: since our last post to the listserv, the location of the Ball has changed to the Whitby Gym; we are sad to say that the Forest Glen Ballroom is not available due fire code standards not being met.

We are happy to report that registrations are moving smoothly and many out-of-town dancers have already registered.  We hope that more readers of the ECD listserv at the Ball.

Playing at this year's Ball will be musicians Liz Donaldson (piano), Andrea Hoag (violin) and Marty Taylor (flute). Admission is by prior reservation:  $20 for members of FSGW, BFMS or CDSS; $22 for nonmembers.  Reception: 7:30 p.m.  Dance: 8:00 p.m.

This year, dances WILL be called for a few rounds; there will be no walk-throughs.  Dancers will be expected to be familiar with the program, which is being practiced during out regular weekly dances. A practice session will be conducted at Rosemary Hills Elementary School on the afternoon of the Ball from 2:00-4:00.  Hospitality is being provided by local dancers.

For more info, make our web site your first visit: www.just.net/~roger/ball99.html, or, contact the Ball Chair, Stephanie Smith, at 301-229-3577; Roger Broseus  via Email: English-AT- fsgw.org.  The program of dances, driving directions, and a registration form, appear at the web site.

Roger W. Broseus
Registrar, Washington Spring Ball
Ido-AT- exist.com
H: 301-365-0611 W: 301-496-5774 --Boundary_(ID_wbXXxA3XX2AXFAmxuqAplg)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 12:47:16 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 15:50:43 -0400 From: Paul Rosenberg Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Overnight accommodations To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990410155043.007fe320-AT- mail1.wizvax.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Barbara, I think I may need overnight accomadations. My preference is to be staying somewhere on the way back toward Albany. I am good for driving 30 to 60 minutes after a dance. So if you know anyone who lives around the Hartford or Litchfield areas, that would be perfect. But, I'll take whatever I can get. Also, we'll need directions to the hall. I will probably be coming from through Litchfield, via Route 63, the scenic route. The others are coming from I-91 (Peter Siegel & Stefan Amidon) and NYC (Michael Gorin- but maybe he knows how to get there). I believe the others will be heading home after the dance. Shalom, Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 12:55:26 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 15:58:52 -0400 From: Paul Rosenberg Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Apology....and Disregard my overnight accomodation message! To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990410155852.007f1630-AT- mail1.wizvax.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sorry about that, folks! I thought I was sending a message to Barbara Ruth about the dance I'm calling in New Haven next week! Now people in all corners of the world will be trying to figure out how to find lodging for me. But if one of you lives around Litchfield, Connecticut, maybe this will work out anyway! ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 20:41:26 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 23:40:22 -0400 (EDT) From: DavBarnert-AT- aol.com Subject: Fried-for-All registration To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU CC: JBGrun-AT- aol.com, jraskin-AT- wmht.org Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <455414c3.2442c526-AT- aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT From: FRIED-FOR-ALL 1999 COMMITTEE ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Judy Grunberg Organizer Julie Raskin Registrar David Barnert Husband of the registrar Keeper of the database Lord High Everything Else Today (Sunday) was the cutoff date for the first round of registration for the Fried-for-All, to be held June 11 - 13 in Lenox, MA. The three of us opened all the envelopes that have arrived to date and tabulated what we have. All registrants that we have entries for at this time are in. Confirmations will be mailed soon. We still have a limited amount of space for single men and couples. Due to the preponderance of single women among the registrants, we must start a waiting list for single women if any more apply. Further questions, and for additional registration fliers, contact Judy Grunberg . ______ /\/\/\/\ <______> | | | | | David Barnert <______> | | | | | <______> | | | | | Albany, N.Y. <______> \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:24:09 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:17:43 -0400 From: "Hanny D. Budnick" <74031.77-AT- compuserve.com> Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Fried for All To: Blind.Copy.Receiver-AT- compuserve.com Message-ID: <199904121220_MC2-715A-D61-AT- compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Dave - thanks for the reminder... Apparently the early registration cutoff (May 1 as per brochure) stops being sufficient time to be assured admission. So all you Fried-dance lovers, get to it! I have decided, after two failed attempts of a "Fried for Fall" (insufficient registration both times) to not try again. If any other goup is interested to learn about the facility just outside of Philly, PA, let me know. Hanny Budnick ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:27:29 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:24:53 -0400 From: "Hanny D. Budnick" <74031.77-AT- compuserve.com> Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Sicilian/Circassian To: Blind.Copy.Receiver-AT- compuserve.com Message-ID: <199904141427_MC2-71EE-CB7-AT- compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi all - question: do the terms 'Sicilian Circle' and 'Circassian Circle' just refer to the formations or are there specific dances with those names? I've read somewhere that 'Sicilian Circle' started out as 'Cecilian...' in honor of St. Cecilia. Does anyone have details? _-AT- _ {)/' /\ /\_._,<_/ ' \ /_\ /> /< Hanny Budnick ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:57:55 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:57:31 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: Sicilian/Circassian To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01JA0SNHP4309ED9BN-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hanny asked: >question: do the terms 'Sicilian Circle' and 'Circassian Circle' just refer >to the formations or are there specific dances with those names? I've read >somewhere that 'Sicilian Circle' started out as 'Cecilian...' >in honor of St. Cecilia. Does anyone have details? The Community Dance Manuals list a "The Circassian Circle and the Big Circle" dance, which is actually, two, two, two dances in one. I've never done it, but here's the notation: --------------------------------------- CIRCASSIAN (and BIG) CIRCLE (CDM) Music: A jig tune for part one, a reel for part 2. APW interprets: Do part one til you're bored, then do part 2. Part I: Sicilian Circle A1: Right and left through (or girls cross left, men cross right), repeat to places. A2: Partners balance and swing. B1: Ladies Chain B2: Swing and change OR promenade to next couple Part II: Big Circle A1: Forward and back twice A2: Women to center and back to place Men to center and back to woman originally on his left (not partner). B1: They swing B2: Promenade around, open to to big circle. --------------------------------------------- Someone on the eceilidh mailing list writes of doing an hour-long dance slot for a bunch of medical students who turned out to be drunk out of their minds, in a completely good natured way. The only thing he could get them doing was the first part of Circassian Circle, and he couldn't get them to progress, so he and his band just did the first part of Circassian Circle, changing tunes every so often, for forty-five minutes, while the medical students jovially continued to do the same four figures with the same four people until they were exhausted. They loved it, and asked him back the next year. [I haven't looked this up so may have details wrong, but that's how I remember the story.] To salve my conscience for posting this notation without permission, let me encourage everyone on the list to buy the Community Dances Manuals (7 volumes in 1) published by EFDSS if you don't already have it. There are many cool dances in there, an interesting glossary by Tony Parkes, a hundred great tunes which are mostly not in Barnes, and some interesting reading. The dances tend to be robust. While I'm on about it, I wish EFDSS would publish a supplement with just the tunes. Musicians are understandably reluctant to pop nearly twice as much as the Barnes book costs to get 1/4 as many tunes, and it gets pretty pricey for a caller to get four copies, so we always end up photocopying the tunes we need and feeling vaguely guilty. Many of the dances are "any good jig" or "any rant tune", but this tends not to work so well if your band hasn't played much for this kind of dancing. But I digress. CDM doesn't say why it's called "Circassian Circle"; presumably that's what the person who collected wrote down, possibly mistakenly. I presume "Sicilian" and "Circassian" are the same thing; I use "Sicilian" because Sicily is more familiar than Circassia, although I doubt either one has anything to do with the origin. I'm inclined to doubt that it's "Cecelian" in honor of St. Cecelia, either; that sounds suspiciously like an SCA/Renfaire backformation. [I am gratuitously reminded of the recent rec.folk-dancing posting from somebody who thought "Road to the Isles" might be a Renaissance dance. The punchline, such as it is, is that he actually meant "Gie Gordons."] -- Alan =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA 94309-0210 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 12:22:24 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 12:22:03 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: UK Guardian (online) article on radical ECD To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01JA0U2DF2KC9ED9BN-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Folks -- I was alerted to this by a posting on the eceilidh list. The Guardian Online web site has an interesting article, called (for reasons not obvious to me, except that the British media always like to take the piss out of Morris men) "Morris men, your days are numbered." It's about a guy named Graeme Miller, who appears to be a choreographer, who has put together a show called "Country Dance" that opens at "The Place" next week. He caught, says the Guardian, the tail end of Cecil Sharp's folk revival, Maypole dancing and doing the gallop in the 1950s and 60s. [I'm glad the Guardian knows who Sharp is. I have no idea how you determine that that is the tail end of Sharp's folk revival, unless you consider the broad culture folk revival of the sixties and seventies to have ended Sharp's. The article seems to be not altogether clueless about country dancing, and I think the writer is enthusiastic about the idea.] Much stuff about how British culture needs a shake up and this could be what does it. "It is a question of abandoning tradition and grabbing what is in front of you. It is a kind of piracy. 'Country Dance' will be the whole country, its chip shops and mobile phones and TV transmitters held up in a kind of kaleidoscope. It would be great to have English country dancing done to breakbeat and garage. He pauses and grins: 'The result is going to be alarmingly quirky - the head of a donkey sewn on to the body of a dog, a Frankenstein built of robbed parts.' Anyway, the URL for the article is http://www.newsunlimited.co.uk/The_Paper/Daily/0,2846,42230,00.html or you can can go to http://www.guardian.co.uk/ and try to follow the links (it's not 100% obvious what to do) to an article called "Morris men, your days are numbered" If anybody is in the position to see the show and report back, or provide some kind of context I'm missing, I'd certainly be extremely interested. -- Alan =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA 94309-0210 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 13:31:00 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:33:07 -0600 From: rushton-AT- biology.utah.edu (Emma Rushton) Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Sicilian/Circassian To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT The way I understand it, Circassian Circle is the name of a specific dance (or variations thereof), and Sicilian Circle is the name of a formation - two facing two in a circle around the room. Double Sicilian Circle is a formation sometimes used in very large ceilidhs. In this, four face four around the room. Your partner is next to you, and you all progress as a foursome. Where or what is Circassia? I second Alan Winston's recommendation of the Community Dance Manual. It's an excellent source of easier dances, and has some great tunes. We use it all the time. Emma - Emma Rushton, Department of Biology, University of Utah, 257 South, 1400 East Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0840 (801) 585-1926 (office) (801) 585-9425 (lab) (801) 581-4668 (fax) rushton-AT- biology.utah.edu ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:36:40 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:36:03 +0700 From: adpete-AT- jps.net Subject: Re: Sicilian/Circassian To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <37150a43.31c4.0-AT- jps.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Emma Rushton Wrote: >The way I understand it, Circassian Circle is the name of a specific dance >(or variations thereof), and Sicilian Circle is the name of a formation - >two facing two in a circle around the room. Double Sicilian Circle is a >formation sometimes used in very large ceilidhs. In this, four face four >around the room. Your partner is next to you, and you all progress as a >foursome. Then what might you call three facing three??? (as in Walpole Cottage) Andy Peterson ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 15:13:43 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:13:24 -0400 From: Albert Blank Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Sicilian/Circassian To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <37151304.C0CF6AB-AT- sprintmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: Emma Rushton wrote (in part): variations thereof), and Sicilian Circle is the name of a formation - > Where or what is Circassia? It is a region of the Caucasus and, I think, the ancient name from which the word "Caucasus" derives. More specifically, it is the part of the Caucasus that lies north of the mountain range. In Russian, the people of the region are called, "Cherkes." Presumably, the Cherkes dance kolos (like everyone else in all the part of the the world around the eastern Mediterranean) but closed into a circle - I am guessing. Anyhow, the Brits are notorious for twisting foreign nomenclature into unrecognizable forms. -- Albert A. Blank e-mail: fandango-AT- sprintmail.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 15:55:07 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:53:39 -0400 From: JHMTurner Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: UK Guardian (online) article on radical ECD To: "INTERNET:ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.Stanford.EDU" Message-ID: <199904141853_MC2-7201-B677-AT- compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Can anyone provide info on the eceilidh list please? Thanks John T ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:11:05 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:02:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul J. Stamler" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Sicilian/Circassian To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU CC: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Wed, 14 Apr 1999, Albert Blank wrote: > Anyhow, the Brits are notorious for twisting foreign nomenclature > into unrecognizable forms. And for doing the same for their own nomenclature, at least as far as pronunciation is concerned. See "Chalmondeley". Chummily, Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 00:27:33 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 08:28:09 +0100 From: Eldridge Keith Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: UK Guardian (online) article on radical ECD To: "'ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU'" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT John Turner wrote : > Can anyone provide info on the eceilidh list please? Yes. Subscribing instructions are at the end of the charter. ********************************************************************** * The 'eceilidh' list - charter * This is a discussion and news list concerned with "English Ceilidh Dancing" * What is "English Ceilidh Dancing"? It has its roots in "Country Dancing" often taught in schools in the UK. In adult life it divides into two strands: - "Dancers dances", "Experienced Dancers" where the dancing is complex in form and performed at a fast walk. Dances include American Squares, and Contras. Couple dances are a rarity. It may be observed in the Ham Marquee at the Sidmouth Festival, some indoor venues at Bromyard, etc. Bands such as The Falconers and Cats Whiskers feature. When someone makes a mistake, everybody frowns. This list does not cover this dancing form. - "English Ceilidh" where the dances are simpler in form, and the variety, vigour and importance of the stepping is greater. Dances include Nottingham Swing, The Willow Tree as well as couple dances. Some of the dances are not english in origin. It may be observed in such places as Haddenham, Corn Hall Cirencester and Towersey Festival. I'd say where to observe it at the Sidmouth Festival but they keep moving it. It used to be seen in the Drill Hall. Bands such as Woodpeckers, Peeping Tom, Old Swan Band feature. When someone makes a mistake, everybody laughs. THIS IS WHAT THE LIST IS ABOUT * Who can join? Membership of 'eceilidh' is open to anyone able to send and receive Internet e-mail. It does not cost anything over an above what you pay for Internet access. Q. What can I post to the list? What's "on topic"? - Chat about english ceilidh. The music, callers, dancers, floors, footwear, clothes, dances, steps, spots and events. - Morris, Song, Story Telling or Appalacian is NOT on topic unless it's debating the merits of interrupting a ceilidh for them. - News: "I've just discovered that Nether Wallop PTA have booked The Old Swan Band" for next week!". Great! We'll turn up and liven it up! Q. Can I advertise? A. No but you can *Announce*. Examples: - "Band A will being playing for a ceilidh at B on December 1st", Excellent - "Band A will being playing for a ceilidh at B on December 1st" (This is part of Festival C, Acceptable. - "Festival C blah blah blah ceilidh blah blah". No, go for the example above. - Morris side D is looking for more members. No, nothing to do with ceilidhs. - Morris side D is having a ceilidh to round of their day of dance. Fine. - Melodeon for sale. No. - Caller retiring has dance notes and radio mike for sale. Yes. An advert *persuades* and contains adjectives like "best", An announcement *informs*. However, don't go overboard and "inform" us how Folk Roots described the band. Leave respected dancing members of the list post comments about their experience. It's more useful. Q. Ok, I want to "inform" about a ceilidh. How often is it acceptable to repeat myself? A. Once. We suggest announcing 2 months and 2 weeks before the event. Q. Can't I advertise just a *little* bit? A. Ok. Your signature (IE, the bottom of your messages) can be up to 5 lines of anything you like. ---Example--- Steve Harris - Cheltenham Net Services, "The Internet is a Network of *People*" Internet Consultancy and Software. 01242 580293 http://www.netservs.com/ ---End Example--- * Making an Entrance: How Do I Join? Send e-mail to list-AT- netservs.com and in the body of the message (NOT the Subject) put: join eceilidh * How do I hear what's going on? Just read your e-mail as normal. You may find it convenient to filter mail to and from eceilidh-AT- netservs.com into its own folder if your e-mail program and brain can cope. * How do I respond to something I just read? Hit "reply" in your e-mail program, type away and then Send. Check the "To:" box on your screen. It should say eceilidh-AT- netservs.com which means everyone will see what you say. Change it to the e-mail address of an individual if that's more appropriate. * How do I say something? Start a new message to eceilidh-AT- netservs.com in your e-mail program, type away and then Send. * Final Polka: How Do I Leave? Send e-mail to list-AT- netservs.com and in the body of the message (NOT the Subject) put leave eceilidh * Fancy Footwork: Can I do other techie things? Yes. Send e-mail to list-AT- netservs.com and in the body of the message (NOT the Subject) put help for more detailed instructions. The eceilidh list is sponsored by: Net Services, "The Internet is a Network of *People*" Internet Consultancy and Software. 01242 580293 See: http://www.netservs.com/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 01:16:10 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:15:57 +0100 From: Thomas Green Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Sicilian/Circassian To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199904150815.JAA27705-AT- sioux.hosts.netdirect.net.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On 14/4/99 8:57 pm Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote >The Community Dance Manuals list a "The Circassian Circle and the Big >Circle" dance, which is actually, two, two, two dances in one. I've >never done it, but here's the notation: The Circassian Circle is a very common way to open or finish English ceilidhs, since it's very easy, very forgiving, and quite well-known. It corresponds to the 'Big Circle' dance in Community Dance Manual. I've done it a million times, but I have never, ever, done it as a combination with a Sicilian circle, as shown in CDM. I have always assumed that glueing the two dances together was one of CDM's little quirks. But I also suspect that in the 50's country dancing was much more fluid and people didn't worry so much about the precise moves to go with a particular dance title, so it wouldn't have seemed quirky then - is there anybody out there who was dancing in the 50's to comment? Thomas Thomas Green Preferred postal address: 27 Allerton Park | http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~thomas.green/ Leeds LS7 4ND, UK | also at: fax +44 (0) 113 226 2751 | Computer-Based Learning Unit tel +44 (0) 113 226 6687 | University of Leeds ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 01:30:18 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:30:26 +0100 From: Thomas Green Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Sicilian/Circassian To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199904150830.JAA28727-AT- sioux.hosts.netdirect.net.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On 15/4/99 7:02 am Paul J. Stamler wrote >And for doing the same for their own nomenclature, at least as far as >pronunciation is concerned. See "Chalmondeley". Not to mention "Arkansas" ...... Thomas Thomas Green Preferred postal address: 27 Allerton Park | http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~thomas.green/ Leeds LS7 4ND, UK | also at: fax +44 (0) 113 226 2751 | Computer-Based Learning Unit tel +44 (0) 113 226 6687 | University of Leeds ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 07:51:20 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:47:53 -0400 From: "Hanny D. Budnick" <74031.77-AT- compuserve.com> Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Sicilian/Circassian To: Blind.Copy.Receiver-AT- compuserve.com Message-ID: <199904151051_MC2-7213-68E0-AT- compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi all - expanding on Al Blanks message: the spelling of Cherk.. is also Tcherkassia - and there is a step in international folk dance called - you guessed it - Tcherkassia. It's a grapevine step. I wholeheartedly agree with those folks praising the CDMs! Very useful, indeed! Many years ago I taught an ECD class at Temple U, and we had a genuine Brit show up. He said 'I thought you'd be doing TRADITIONAL ECD'. My answer 'I thought they ALL were..', merrily continuing with my Playford material. That's when I got the CDMs and have developed new favorites! Soooooooo, Sicilian Circle is a formation - and Circassian Circle a specific dance? Hanny Budnick ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 08:00:46 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:00:21 -0005 From: Arthur Munisteri Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Sicilian/Circassian To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <19990415150000.FGAZ9000-AT- newmicronpc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On 15 Apr 99 Thomas Green hath writ: > On 15/4/99 7:02 am Paul J. Stamler wrote > > >And for doing the same for their own nomenclature, at least as far as > >pronunciation is concerned. See "Chalmondeley". > > Not to mention "Arkansas" ...... > > Thomas > > > Thomas Green For what it's worth, people from Kansas pronounce the last two syllables of the name of the Arkansas River as though it were the name of their own state; that is, (for Brits & others who may not be familiar with American geographical pronunciation) the way that some one familiar with typical English pronunciation would think it was pronounced. Cheers, Art (whose grandparents were born in Sicily & who still hopes for a little enlightenment on the etymology of the circle) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 08:02:54 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 16:03:00 +0100 From: Thomas Green Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Sicilian/Circassian To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU, Blind.Copy.Receiver-AT- compuserve.com Message-ID: <199904151502.QAA26962-AT- sioux.hosts.netdirect.net.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On 15/4/99 3:47 pm Hanny D. Budnick wrote >That's when I got the CDMs and have developed new favorites! There are various other dances in the same vein to be found at http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~thomas.green/BarnDances/index.html Thomas Thomas Green Preferred postal address: 27 Allerton Park | http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~thomas.green/ Leeds LS7 4ND, UK | also at: fax +44 (0) 113 226 2751 | Computer-Based Learning Unit tel +44 (0) 113 226 6687 | University of Leeds ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 08:42:37 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:10:13 -0400 From: sol weber Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: What's in a name? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <19990415.113001.-134905.0.solweber-AT- juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT In Alan's posting, I see that girls cross, ladies chain, and then women to center and back. Gender balancing will get even more difficult if these three feminine categories must be equally represented; or perhaps the racy Sicilian vibes and intense eye contact will cause the innocent damsels to transmogrify rapidly from one category to the next, zipping right through the girl/lady/woman spectrum, and in fact become *abandoned* women as the men eventually return to women not their partners. What would Jane Austen AND May Gadd have to say about these shenanigans? Sicilian Circle A1: Right and left through (or girls cross left, men cross right), repeat to places. A2: Partners balance and swing. B1: Ladies Chain B2: Swing and change OR promenade to next couple Part II: Big Circle A1: Forward and back twice A2: Women to center and back to place Men to center and back to woman originally on his left (not partner). B1: They swing B2: Promenade around, open to to big circle. -------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 08:58:47 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 08:58:39 +0700 From: Andy Peterson Subject: Re: What's in a name? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU, sol weber Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <37160caf.4489.0-AT- jps.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT ..but notice that we are all men throughout. Real MEN dance! >In Alan's posting, I see that girls cross, ladies chain, and then women >to center and back. Gender balancing will get even more difficult if >these three feminine categories must be equally represented; or >perhaps the racy Sicilian vibes and intense eye contact will cause >the innocent damsels to transmogrify rapidly from one category >to the next, zipping right through the girl/lady/woman spectrum, and >in fact become *abandoned* women as the men eventually return >to women not their partners. What would Jane Austen AND May >Gadd have to say about these shenanigans? > > >Sicilian Circle > >A1: Right and left through (or girls cross left, men cross right), repeat > to places. > >A2: Partners balance and swing. > >B1: Ladies Chain > >B2: Swing and change OR promenade to next couple > >Part II: > >Big Circle > >A1: Forward and back twice > >A2: Women to center and back to place > Men to center and back to woman originally on his left (not >partner). > >B1: They swing > >B2: Promenade around, open to to big circle. > -------------------------------------------- > > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:31:29 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 12:38:27 -0400 From: Country Dance and Song Society Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Ray Labarbera's web site To: ecd-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <2.2.32.19990415163827.006ad0c0-AT- crocker.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Friends, Brad Foster talked to Ray about where he got his lists of dance groups, as well as his email mailing list. Ray did take information directly from our Directory, without our permission; he also took email addresses from our private Members' List and added them to his mailing list. He says he has ceased to use the bulk lists he got from us, although we are not sure how he can distinguish them from other bulk lists he lifted. In any event, we wanted you all to know that we did NOT give your names to him, and that we are appalled that the privacy of our members and member groups was invaded in that way. Robin Hayden Membership -------------------------------------------------------------- Country Dance and Song Society office-AT- cdss.org 132 Main St/PO Box 338 camp-AT- cdss.org Haydenville, MA 01039-0338 sales-AT- cdss.org 413-268-7426 news-AT- cdss.org fax: 413-268-7471 http://www.cdss.org/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:34:22 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 12:38:25 -0400 From: Country Dance and Song Society Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Still room at Buffalo Gap Dance Week! To: ecd-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <2.2.32.19990415163825.006aec10-AT- crocker.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Friends, We still have room for more campers at our Dance Week at Buffalo Gap. This year's Program Chair is the exhuberant Scott Higgs. He'll be teaching "English Country Dancing for Poets" and a daily couple dance "playshop." Other classes include "English for Experts" and "English Dance Sampler" from Helene Cornelius; morris and rapper sword with David Macemon; Mummers/Revelry with Alisa Dodson; and contras and squares with Kathy Anderson. Scott calls his lineup of musicians a "Musical Extravaganza": "Uncle Gizmo, Hold the Mustard, Bare Necessities, Future Geezers, A Band Named Bob, Raise the Roof, Footloose, Reckless Abandon, A Joyful Noise -- what do these nationally acclaimed bands have in common? All feature the playing of musicians who are with us this week!" If you already have our program brochure, fill out the registration form and send it (with your deposit)to CDSS, PO Box 338, Haydenville, MA, 01039; or FAX it to the office at 413-268-7471. If you don't have a program brochure (or even if you do) you can view our on-line version at www.cdss.org/programs/1999. The on-line brochure has a printoutable registration form that you can mail or FAX. For further questions email Steve Howe, camp registrar, at camp-AT- cdss.org. Steve Howe -------------------------------------------------------------- Country Dance and Song Society office-AT- cdss.org 132 Main St/PO Box 338 camp-AT- cdss.org Haydenville, MA 01039-0338 sales-AT- cdss.org 413-268-7426 news-AT- cdss.org fax: 413-268-7471 http://www.cdss.org/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 12:03:15 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 19:46 +0100 From: graham-AT- gcknight.demon.co.uk Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: Sicilian/Circassian To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I understood that the Sicilian Circle came from a dance called the Sicilian. This I believe was a Victorian dance from the middle of the C19th. ----Original Message----- >From: "Hanny D. Budnick" <74031.77-AT- compuserve.com> >To: Blind.Copy.Receiver-AT- compuserve.com >Subject: Sicilian/Circassian >Reply-To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU >Date: 14 April 1999 19:24 > >Hi all - >question: do the terms 'Sicilian Circle' and 'Circassian Circle' just refer >to the formations or are there specific dances with those names? I've read >somewhere that 'Sicilian Circle' started out as 'Cecilian...' >in honor of St. Cecilia. Does anyone have details? > > _-AT- _ {)/' > /\ /\_._,<_/ >' \ /_\ > /> /< Hanny Budnick > > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:17:24 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 00:18:53 +0000 From: Rich Galloway Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Arkansas [& way off topic] To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199904160506.BAA14634-AT- ns.kreative.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > Not to mention "Arkansas" ...... One can hardly blame that one on the English, or the Americans. That's a French spelling of a word from a Siouan language. I think it means something like "south wind people." ==================================================== Rich Galloway Silver Spring, MD ==================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 23:12:05 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 06:11:10 +0100 From: Henry Garfath Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Circassian Circle (ECD Digest V1 #489) To: ECD Message-ID: <000201be87cf$cd717f20$3718883e-AT- henrygar> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/ALTERNATIVE; BOUNDARY="Boundary_(ID_/qJ25jM/nou4SxBmrRgHhg)" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_/qJ25jM/nou4SxBmrRgHhg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I found the comments posted about the two parts of Circassian Circle fascinating reading. I have no proof of what led to the dance being noted as Parts 1 and 2 in the Community Dance Manuals (although there was at least one "hidden agenda" behind their publication). When I danced as a child the big circle version (all facing COH) was invariably the last dance.It eventually gave way to the "Hokey Cokey" and/or "Knees Up Mother Brown". When I started "calling" dances I would usually finish with an easy dance involving everybody.In some places the feeling about how you should end an evening was so strong, that if you finished with anything other than Circassian Circle (Part 2), the "floor" would not clear - but would demand this dance before it decided the evening had finished! The only regular exception to this rule was those places who only danced "Playford" dances. However, the need to finish with a circle dance was so ingrained there that they insisted instead upon "Sellengers Round". So far as Scottish Country Dancing is concerned only "Part I" (as per the EFDSS CDMs) is known. The notation (with tunes) appears in the Scottish Country Dance Book 1 (issued by the RSCD). I can find no date of publication, but Paterson's copyright is MCMXXXIV. The note at the bottom of the description of Circassian Circle reads "This dance is the same as the first figure of Quadrille. Collected locally. Published in "The Ballroom, 1827" with a difference". Both set tunes are in 2/4 time and the suggested pipe tune is "Kate Dalrymple". When these books were published, they had been well researched and the descriptions were based on old manuscripts and "the experience of dancers during the last 150 years" (I just wonder which of the contributors had been living that long!) It is of course a powerful communal feeling to have everybody dancing in one big set at the end of a dance. This transformation can be achieved so easilly from the promenade (or pousette) at the end of a Sicillian circle or Square dance by the "Promenade into one big ring" . This probably explains why we used to end up with "Circassian Part 2" as the last dance. At this point couples sitting out would usually join in and as the dance got under way any single gents left over would go into the centre and step. The dance seems to have been choreographed deliberately to allow them to steal a partner for the swing and promenade - which is, of course, what used to happen (according to my Grandfather) until the Great War led to a surfeit of women (who danced together from the outset). HENRY L GARFATH Phone/Fax: +44 1962 885628 Pager: 07666 740113 Preferred e-mail address: abdc-AT- zyworld.com ======================================================== Why not visit our website? http://www.zyworld.com/abdc ======================================================== --Boundary_(ID_/qJ25jM/nou4SxBmrRgHhg) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
I found the comments posted about the two parts of Circassian Circle fascinating reading.
I have no proof of what led to the dance being noted as Parts 1 and 2 in the Community Dance Manuals (although there was at least one "hidden agenda" behind their publication).
When I danced as a child the big circle version (all facing COH) was invariably the last dance.It eventually gave way to the "Hokey Cokey" and/or "Knees Up Mother Brown".
 
 When I started "calling" dances I would usually finish with an easy dance involving everybody.In some places the feeling about how you should end an evening was so strong, that if you finished with anything other than Circassian Circle (Part 2), the "floor" would not clear - but would demand this dance  before it decided the evening had finished! The only regular exception to this rule was those places who only danced "Playford" dances. However, the need to finish with a circle dance was so ingrained there that they insisted instead upon "Sellengers Round".
 
So far as Scottish Country Dancing is concerned only  "Part I" (as per the EFDSS CDMs) is known. The notation (with tunes) appears in the Scottish Country Dance Book 1 (issued by the RSCD). I can find no date of publication, but Paterson's copyright is MCMXXXIV. The note at the bottom of the description of Circassian Circle reads "This dance is the same as the first figure of Quadrille. Collected locally. Published in "The Ballroom, 1827" with a difference". Both set tunes are in 2/4 time and the suggested pipe tune is "Kate Dalrymple". When these books were published, they had been well researched and the descriptions were based on old manuscripts and "the experience of dancers during the last 150 years" (I just wonder which of the contributors had been living that long!)
 
 
It is of course a powerful communal feeling to have everybody dancing in one big set at the end of a dance. This transformation  can be achieved so easilly from the promenade (or pousette) at the end of a Sicillian circle  or Square dance by the "Promenade into one big ring" . This probably explains why we used to end up with "Circassian Part 2" as the last dance. At this point couples sitting out would usually join in and as the dance got under way any single gents left over would go into the centre and step. The dance seems to have been choreographed deliberately to allow them to steal a partner for the swing and promenade - which is, of course, what used to happen (according to my Grandfather) until the Great War led to a surfeit of women (who danced together from the outset).
      
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--Boundary_(ID_/qJ25jM/nou4SxBmrRgHhg)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 00:48:31 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 08:48:08 +0100 (BST) From: Dr Paul Davis Subject: Aunt Nessie's White Horse To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Aunt Nessie's White Horse I remember dancing this a few years ago - rather a syncopated rhythym. I have now stumbled across a record with the music - does anyone out there have the notation please? From my recollection it is a circle dance with a wavy circle balance. All help gratefully received Paul ---------------------- Paul Davis Stonesfield FDC, Oxfordshire ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 07:48:26 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 07:31:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Barbara Ruth Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Overnight accommodations To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <19990416143151.22931.rocketmail-AT- web1.rocketmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Paul, we've got to stop meeting like this. I think the listserver is getting suspicious. Barbara ---Paul Rosenberg wrote: > > Hi Barbara, > > I think I may need overnight accomadations. > > My preference is to be staying somewhere on the way back toward Albany. I > am good for driving 30 to 60 minutes after a dance. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free -AT- yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 07:52:05 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:48:16 -0400 From: "Hanny D. Budnick" <74031.77-AT- compuserve.com> Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Tant Nessie's White Horse To: Blind.Copy.Receiver-AT- compuserve.com Message-ID: <199904161051_MC2-7247-C374-AT- compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Paul - 'Tant H(HHHH)essie un dat witte peerd' is a dance from South Africa. A circle mixer, danced this way: men on inside of circle facing out, women outside of circle facing their partners, the step used throughout (except for the buzz swing) is a slow strut (R step, bend R knee,/ L step, bend L knee etc.) A 1 - 4 partners facing, use 4 steps toward each other's right shoulder, 5 - 8 then return 4 repeat to left shoulder B 1 - 4 back to back (doSIdo) with partner 5 - 8 back to back (doSAdo) with partner, on last beat everyone claps their own hands A 1 - 8 loooong swing with your partner, at the end of which the men move on to the lady on their left (their partner's right). I use the dance frequently, but in 'easy international folk dancing'. It's the only dance from South Africa I know. Does anyone else know any others? Hanny ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 07:52:07 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:48:21 -0400 From: "Hanny D. Budnick" <74031.77-AT- compuserve.com> Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Circassian Circle To: Blind.Copy.Receiver-AT- compuserve.com Message-ID: <199904161051_MC2-7247-C376-AT- compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Henry- I share your sentiments about doing all-inclusive circle dances! Usually I do a mixer as the first dance (I care not for these ladies - danced in a big circle for ECD, Berkshire Fool or Tant Hessie for IFD) IF there is a reasonable gender balance. I'm not the least bit fond of a closing couple waltz - it's usually outright painful for the ladies that are left out (partner no longer exists, doesn't dance, whatever). And even there: there are nice waltz mixers where the last time through can be done just by couples, except that you are 'stuck' with your last changed partner and not your old established favorite partner..... Sort of the total opposite of Western Line Dance, where everyone only vies for a good spot on the floor to do their introspective (self-centered?) solo stuff and looks into nobody's eyes.... Hanny ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 07:53:53 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 07:51:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Barbara Ruth Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Arkansas [& way off topic] To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <19990416145148.4136.rocketmail-AT- web4.rocketmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT >From: Rich Galloway >Subject: Re: Arkansas [& way off topic] How far off topic? Does that mean they don't do ECD in Arkansas? Barbara Ruth _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free -AT- yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 08:11:01 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:10:21 +0100 (BST) From: Dr Paul Davis Subject: Re: Tant Nessie's White Horse To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hanny, Thanks for that, and it may well be the correct version from SA, but I recall taking hands for what I would assume is A1-4 and executing a triple balance (forward, back, forward)... Anybody else have variations? Paul On Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:48:16 -0400 "Hanny D. Budnick" <74031.77-AT- compuserve.com> wrote: > Hi Paul - > 'Tant H(HHHH)essie un dat witte peerd' is a dance from > South Africa. A circle mixer, danced this way: > men on inside of circle facing out, women outside of circle > facing their partners, the step used throughout (except for > the buzz swing) is a slow strut (R step, bend R knee,/ L > step, bend L knee etc.) A 1 - 4 partners facing, use 4 > steps toward each other's right shoulder, > 5 - 8 then return 4 repeat to left shoulder B 1 - 4 > back to back (doSIdo) with partner 5 - 8 back to back > (doSAdo) with partner, on last beat everyone claps > their own hands A 1 - 8 loooong swing with your partner, > at the end of which the men move on to the lady on > their left (their partner's right). > I use the dance frequently, but in 'easy international folk > dancing'. It's the only dance from South Africa I know. > Does anyone else know any others? > > Hanny ---------------------- Dr Paul Davis Computer Teaching Officer, OUCS, 13 Banbury Road, Oxford OX2 6NN 01865 283414 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:18:54 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:17:29 -0400 From: Benjamin Stein Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Tant Nessie's White Horse To: "INTERNET:ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.Stanford.EDU" Message-ID: <199904161517_MC2-7247-2893-AT- compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT No Hanny, I don't know any other South African dances BUT I have always been interested in the source of the music for Jan Peerewit! The tune is the same as Varsovienne, Varsovianna, Put-your-little foot. See if you can get hold of the old recordings of Marai and Mirranda. Very interesting!!! Marching to Pretoria is on the recordings and-have you danced Gary Roodman's-Marching to Pretorius? It is a wee dance that is just plain fun-set to a march from Pretorius' Terpsichory! Ben Stein Burlington, Vt. USA dancers-AT- compuserve.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:49:33 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:49:07 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: Arkansas [& way off topic] To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01JA3P5D1K4I9ED9BN-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Barbara Ruth asked: How far off topic? Does that mean they don't do ECD in Arkansas? But they do! Arkansas's Neil Kelley brought her warm personality and great sense of fun to her calling at the BACDS Fall Weekend in 1997. I hear the next edition of the Country Dance Index may be coming out of Arkansas. So discussion of the pronunciation of Arkansas must, I guess, be on topic in the ECD list. Are there any English-style dances to Arkansas Traveler? -- Alan =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA 94309-0210 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:16:59 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 18:14:46 -0400 From: JHMTurner Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Tant Nessie's White Horse To: "INTERNET:ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.Stanford.EDU" Message-ID: <199904161816_MC2-7257-BAD3-AT- compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Paul I know the dance as 'Aunt Hessie's White Horse' It was popular in South Hampshire (UK) in the 1970s. My version for Bars 17 - 20 is a pousette type hold (ladies hands on man's shoulder // Man's hands on ladies' waist) Pousette 4 steps towards centre of room and back. followed by Swing Ptnr (same hold) for the last 4 bars. Re start the dance with a new partner. Message text written by INTERNET:ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.Stanford.EDU >Thanks for that, and it may well be the correct version from SA, but I recall taking hands for what I would assume is A1-4 and executing a triple balance (forward, back, forward)... Anybody else have variations?< John T ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:33:50 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 00:30:52 +0100 From: Henry Garfath Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Aunt Hessie's White Horse To: ECD Message-ID: <001d01be8861$5deef820$df3b883e-AT- henrygar> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/ALTERNATIVE; BOUNDARY="Boundary_(ID_PQ/gVkGbZH2dr329IhVQjA)" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_PQ/gVkGbZH2dr329IhVQjA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Dr Paul Davis asked about this dance. Note the spelling "Hessie" not "Nessie". This is a South African change partner dance that enjoyed some popularity about 15 or so years ago, but not much danced these days. Formation Double circle facing partner (men back on inside back to COH). A1.Side Right and Left (danced as straight forward and back) A2.Do-sa-do then see-saw partner B. Swing Left Hand Lady with pas de basque step. (Some bands prefer ABB) HENRY L GARFATH Phone/Fax: +44 1962 885628 Pager: 07666 740113 Preferred e-mail address: abdc-AT- zyworld.com ======================================================== Why not visit our website? http://www.zyworld.com/abdc ======================================================== --Boundary_(ID_PQ/gVkGbZH2dr329IhVQjA) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Dr Paul Davis asked about this dance. Note the spelling "Hessie" not "Nessie". This is a South African change  partner dance that enjoyed some popularity about 15 or so years ago, but not much danced these days. Formation Double circle facing partner (men back on inside back to COH).
 
A1.Side Right and Left (danced as straight forward and back)
A2.Do-sa-do then see-saw partner
B.  Swing Left Hand Lady with pas de basque step.
(Some bands prefer ABB)
 
  
HENRY L GARFATH
 
Phone/Fax: +44 1962 885628 Pager: 07666 740113
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--Boundary_(ID_PQ/gVkGbZH2dr329IhVQjA)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 20:51:06 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 20:50:56 +0700 From: adpete-AT- jps.net Subject: Re: Last Waltz To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <37180520.4ce8.0-AT- jps.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Hanny, I do like the last waltz if there is someone I really want to do it with. I have to say that sometimes I take a partner a I don't expect to be a particularly good waltzer and am pleasantly surprised. I also can understand the pain of feeling left out. The Monday Scandinavian group here often does several circle mixers during the evening. It gives the beginners a chance to dance with experienced dancers when there are so many confusing steps they don't quite get yet in the couple dances. We do mix people around during teaching, but at the first chance they are back with the person they came with. English dancers really have it quite easy unless you are doing some of the Traditional stepping dances. I found the Finnish Polka easy because it's like a Rant step except that both feet land at the same time. (Instead of pot-a-toe chip you get pot--to chip.) Andy Peterson >Hi Henry- >I share your sentiments about doing all-inclusive circle dances! Usually I >do a mixer as the first dance (I care not for these ladies - danced in a >big circle for ECD, Berkshire Fool or Tant Hessie for IFD) IF there is a >reasonable gender balance. I'm not the least bit fond of a closing couple >waltz - it's usually outright painful for the ladies that are left out >(partner no longer exists, doesn't dance, whatever). And even there: there >are nice waltz mixers where the last time through can be done just by >couples, except that you are 'stuck' with your last changed partner and not >your old established favorite partner..... >Sort of the total opposite of Western Line Dance, where everyone only vies >for a good spot on the floor to do their introspective (self-centered?) >solo stuff and looks into nobody's eyes.... > >Hanny > > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 20:57:49 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 20:57:40 +0700 From: adpete-AT- jps.net Subject: Re: Overnight accommodations To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU, Barbara Ruth Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <371806b4.4fab.0-AT- jps.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Barbara, No suspicions at all. We onto you. Andy >Paul, we've got to stop meeting like this. > >I think the listserver is getting suspicious. > >Barbara > > >---Paul Rosenberg wrote: >> >> Hi Barbara, >> >> I think I may need overnight accomadations. >> >> My preference is to be staying somewhere on the way back toward >Albany. I >> am good for driving 30 to 60 minutes after a dance. > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free -AT- yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 00:07:32 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 00:08:47 -0700 From: paul/victoria bestock Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Bye-Bye Tant Hessie To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990417000847.007a08f0-AT- oz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I learned Tant Hessie years ago as an international folkdancer found it charming, and taught it for many years as part of my Internation Folk Dance courses. I used it just prior to introducing contra dancing because the buzz step in this dance is quite slow, so it allows beginners to practice, and to practice with a different partner each round. But in the late 60s a group of my African-American students objected very strongly to dancing something from the Boer (white oppressor) heritage, and though I don't agree with boycotting dances from cultures just because we don't like their politics (this could easily leave us with nothing to dance at all!), I did agree that if we did only one dance per term from Africa, it should represent Africa's native heritage, and not the British and Dutch settlers. I found other dances to use to teach buzz step instead of Tant Hessie, (Hungarian Karikazos with downbeat rida steps are good) and started exploring traditional dances from Zimbabwe and Ghana to use in my International Folk Dance classes. That was long ago, and in a different political climate. Things are improving in South Africa today, so maybe African-Americans would no longer find it so offensive to have a Dutch dance taught to them as "African." It might be worth asking, though. Vicky Bestock ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 08:10:25 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 11:09:31 -0400 (EDT) From: DavBarnert-AT- aol.com Subject: Re: Tant Nessie's White Horse To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU CC: 74031.77-AT- compuserve.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hanny wrote: >'Tant H(HHHH)essie un dat witte peerd' is a dance from South >Africa. A circle mixer, danced this way: > ... >B 1 - 4 back to back (doSIdo) with partner > 5 - 8 back to back (doSAdo) with partner... > ... All right, I'll bite. What's the difference between a doSIdo and a doSAdo? Aren't they both just Americanized corruptions of the French words "dos a dos" ("back to back")? ______ /\/\/\/\ <______> | | | | | David Barnert <______> | | | | | <______> | | | | | Albany, N.Y. <______> \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 13:03:23 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 15:59:36 -0400 From: "Hanny D. Budnick" <74031.77-AT- compuserve.com> Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Tant Nessie's White Horse To: Blind.Copy.Receiver-AT- compuserve.com Message-ID: <199904171603_MC2-726D-4221-AT- compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Dave - now don't forget that I'm a forigginer and didn't learn square dancing in 7th grade! I understand 'DoSIdo' to mean passing right shoulders on the first back-to-back (dancing back of course with left shoulders closer) and 'DoSAdo' the other way round. The swing in Tant Hessie was originally a 'Tikkidrie' (love that word!) where both dancers stand right shoulders adjacent and hands crossed behind their backs for the buzz swing. Mighty dangerous in crowded halls though, because the elbows stick out. _-AT- _ {)/' /\ /\_._,<_/ ' \ /_\ /> /< Hanny ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 17:22:27 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 17:23:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Lyrl Ahern Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: New location for ECD in Boston To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <19990418002317.4110.rocketmail-AT- web116.yahoomail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT It suddenly struck me that people who are coming early to NEFFA, expecting to join the Boston Centre for its regular Wednesday ECD, might not know that we no longer dance at the Cambridge YWCA. Our new location is the Park Avenue Congregational Church in Arlington Heights, located at the corner of Park Avenue Paul Revere Road, one block uphill from Massachusetts Avenue. Anyone who wants more specific information on how to get to our new location can e-mail me for driving directions or information about public transportation. Lyrl Ahern _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free -AT- yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 20:18:54 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 03:33:57 +0100 From: Henry Garfath Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Aunt Hessie - Further Thoughts To: ECD Message-ID: <002801be8949$7d9fdfc0$af3f883e-AT- henrygar> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/ALTERNATIVE; BOUNDARY="Boundary_(ID_GQdWiMz3srVyPOuQHUhDEA)" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_GQdWiMz3srVyPOuQHUhDEA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Yes, folks! I'm quite sure reaction against the South African regime of the day led to the decline in the popularity of the dance. If you are boycotting South African goods in the shops, it's a logical extension to stay firmly in your seat if a South African dance is announced. For some time now I've been doing "Balkan" rather than "Serbian" dances. Trying to divorce "dance" from "politics" is impossible, but you can be circumspect. I understand "Aunt Hessie's White Horse" started off as a Belgian dance that the the Dutch copied and then took to South Africa. If so, it would appear reasonable to introduce it as "a modern update of an old Belgian dance" and thus avoid Afro-American sensitivities. I suspect that there was another reason for the decline in popularity, however. The repetitious nature of the first part calls for skilled playing to prevent monotony. I found that musicians without such skills (or inclination?) would (at best) object to playing the tune or (at worst) actually refuse to play it. HENRY L GARFATH Phone/Fax: +44 1962 885628 Pager: 07666 740113 Preferred e-mail address: abdc-AT- zyworld.com ======================================================== Why not visit our website? http://www.zyworld.com/abdc ======================================================== --Boundary_(ID_GQdWiMz3srVyPOuQHUhDEA) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Yes, folks! I'm quite sure reaction against the South African regime of the day led to the decline in the popularity of the dance. If you are boycotting South African goods in the shops, it's a logical extension to stay firmly in your seat if a South African dance is announced. For some time now I've been doing "Balkan" rather than "Serbian" dances. Trying to divorce "dance" from "politics" is impossible, but you can be circumspect. I understand "Aunt Hessie's White Horse" started off as a Belgian dance that the the Dutch copied and then took to South Africa. If so, it  would  appear reasonable to introduce it as "a modern update of an old Belgian dance" and thus avoid Afro-American sensitivities.
I suspect that there was another reason for the decline in popularity, however. The repetitious nature of the first part calls for skilled playing to prevent monotony. I found that musicians without such skills (or inclination?) would (at best) object to playing the tune or (at worst) actually refuse to play it.  
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--Boundary_(ID_GQdWiMz3srVyPOuQHUhDEA)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 20:21:31 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 03:33:57 +0100 From: Henry Garfath Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Aunt Hessie - Further Thoughts To: ECD Message-ID: <002901be8949$dc4e75e0$af3f883e-AT- henrygar> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/ALTERNATIVE; BOUNDARY="Boundary_(ID_84bdzPtem4yCVkbdqhUmrA)" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_84bdzPtem4yCVkbdqhUmrA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Yes, folks! I'm quite sure reaction against the South African regime of the day led to the decline in the popularity of the dance. If you are boycotting South African goods in the shops, it's a logical extension to stay firmly in your seat if a South African dance is announced. For some time now I've been doing "Balkan" rather than "Serbian" dances. Trying to divorce "dance" from "politics" is impossible, but you can be circumspect. I understand "Aunt Hessie's White Horse" started off as a Belgian dance that the the Dutch copied and then took to South Africa. If so, it would appear reasonable to introduce it as "a modern update of an old Belgian dance" and thus avoid Afro-American sensitivities. I suspect that there was another reason for the decline in popularity, however. The repetitious nature of the first part calls for skilled playing to prevent monotony. I found that musicians without such skills (or inclination?) would (at best) object to playing the tune or (at worst) actually refuse to play it. HENRY L GARFATH Phone/Fax: +44 1962 885628 Pager: 07666 740113 Preferred e-mail address: abdc-AT- zyworld.com ======================================================== Why not visit our website? http://www.zyworld.com/abdc ======================================================== --Boundary_(ID_84bdzPtem4yCVkbdqhUmrA) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Yes, folks! I'm quite sure reaction against the South African regime of the day led to the decline in the popularity of the dance. If you are boycotting South African goods in the shops, it's a logical extension to stay firmly in your seat if a South African dance is announced. For some time now I've been doing "Balkan" rather than "Serbian" dances. Trying to divorce "dance" from "politics" is impossible, but you can be circumspect. I understand "Aunt Hessie's White Horse" started off as a Belgian dance that the the Dutch copied and then took to South Africa. If so, it  would  appear reasonable to introduce it as "a modern update of an old Belgian dance" and thus avoid Afro-American sensitivities.
I suspect that there was another reason for the decline in popularity, however. The repetitious nature of the first part calls for skilled playing to prevent monotony. I found that musicians without such skills (or inclination?) would (at best) object to playing the tune or (at worst) actually refuse to play it.  
HENRY L GARFATH
 
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--Boundary_(ID_84bdzPtem4yCVkbdqhUmrA)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 20:21:35 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 03:58:49 +0100 From: Henry Garfath Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: The Last Waltz To: ECD Message-ID: <002a01be8949$dde8ec00$af3f883e-AT- henrygar> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/ALTERNATIVE; BOUNDARY="Boundary_(ID_skt3uPg9pYEI/C22Vk2FSA)" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_skt3uPg9pYEI/C22Vk2FSA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT When the couple waltz became popular, the last waltz so far as I can tell was just that, ie the last waltz in the programme, not the final dance. The literature of the period where balls (in England) are described sufficiently would seem to indicate a standardisation upon ending the evening with a last waltz followed by the last set dance (almost invariably "Sir Roger de Coverley"). The last waltz was significant because it was the last real chance to do a "good bit of chatting up" - or to "arrange an assignation" (to stay in period!). To try and do this during the more riotous set dance which followed would be more difficult. Actually finishing with a waltz appears to be a relatively new phenomenon; developing I would suggest within the last fifty years and greatly assisted by the eponymous Tom Jones hit record. HENRY L GARFATH Phone/Fax: +44 1962 885628 Pager: 07666 740113 Preferred e-mail address: abdc-AT- zyworld.com ======================================================== Why not visit our website? http://www.zyworld.com/abdc ======================================================== --Boundary_(ID_skt3uPg9pYEI/C22Vk2FSA) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
When the couple waltz became popular, the last waltz so far as I can tell was just that, ie the last waltz in the programme, not the final dance. The literature of the period where balls (in England) are described sufficiently would seem to indicate a standardisation upon ending the evening with a last waltz followed by the last set dance (almost invariably "Sir Roger de Coverley").
 
The last waltz was significant because it was the last real chance to do a "good bit of chatting up" - or to "arrange an assignation" (to stay in period!). To try and do this during the more riotous set dance which followed would be more difficult.  Actually finishing with a waltz appears to be a relatively new phenomenon; developing I would suggest within the last fifty years and greatly assisted by the eponymous Tom Jones hit record.
 
HENRY L GARFATH
 
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--Boundary_(ID_skt3uPg9pYEI/C22Vk2FSA)-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 23:37:11 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 01:55:14 -0400 From: sol weber Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: M and M To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <19990418.022205.-134593.1.solweber-AT- juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Re the following, from Ben to Hanny, and (unsuccessfully) avoiding any references to "Marching to Astoria", my memory was jogged by the reference to Marais and Miranda, whose recordings I listened to and enjoyed many years ago. I even have their very yellowed and fading songbook, somewhere. Their songs and singing were wonderful. One diverting piece had these words: Cool running water, bubble bubble trickle trickle. Cool running water, singing as it flows. (2X) Can't you hear the song that the water is singing? Can't you hear it say, "Take your cup, fill it up". (2X) I sang it to someone, and was told it was a dance tune. It's quite neat. Anyone who's interested, ask me about it. Sol Weber, Astoria NY, solweber-AT- juno.com No Hanny, I don't know any other South African dances BUT I have always been interested in the source of the music for Jan Peerewit! The tune is the same as Varsovienne, Varsovianna, Put-your-little foot. See if you can get hold of the old recordings of Marai and Mirranda. Very interesting!!! Marching to Pretoria is on the recordings and-have you danced Gary Roodman's-Marching to Pretorius? It is a wee dance that is just plain fun-set to a march from Pretorius' Terpsichory! Ben Stein Burlington, Vt. USA dancers-AT- compuserve.com - ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 06:36:20 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 00:10:58 -0700 From: paul/victoria bestock Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: the last waltz To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990418001058.007c3e10-AT- oz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Henry Garfath suggests that the last waltz is a tradition that appeared within the last 50 years. Its gotta be close to 50 anyway-- I started international folk dancing twice a week in 1954, so thats 45 years of last-waltz tradition at least. One of the groups I attended back then ended every evening with a waltz, and another group I attended starting the following year ended every evening with a waltz mixer, so that one got to "say goodby" to everyone in the room. Victoria Bestock ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 08:43:38 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 11:39:29 -0400 From: "Hanny D. Budnick" <74031.77-AT- compuserve.com> Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Aunt Hessie - Further Thoughts To: Blind.Copy.Receiver-AT- compuserve.com Message-ID: <199904181141_MC2-7264-B24E-AT- compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I ran an international folk dance yesterday with a bunch of senior citizens. Some of my favorite dances for such an occasion come from areas of the world which are 'troubled'. I don't politicize, but I always mention that ALL peoples have dance in their culture, and some of the most beautiful ones (easily accessible for learning, beautiful music, great sense of community) are those countries' GIFTS to the realm of recreational folk dancing. If we BOYCOTTED dances because of their ethnic/religious/whatever association - that's like the first step in xyz cleansing.... The similarity of dances with common (extended) borders is quite common! I once attended an international folk dance festival in Northern Germany where the Germans, Swedes, Dutch and Danish groups performed almost the same dance as 'theirs'. Klapptanz, Klap Dans... Pattycake Polka would have fit right in! _-AT- _ {)/' /\ /\_._,<_/ ' \ /_\ /> /< Hanny ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 08:43:43 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 11:39:28 -0400 From: "Hanny D. Budnick" <74031.77-AT- compuserve.com> Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: New location for ECD in Boston To: Blind.Copy.Receiver-AT- compuserve.com Message-ID: <199904181141_MC2-7264-B24D-AT- compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Lyrl - that was VERY thoughtful of you! Now I have to look at the map again.... Hanny ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 05:18:11 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:14:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephen D Corrsin Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD Digest V1 #492 To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Comrades, any possibility of encouraging people to send their messages in such a way that they appear only once, not two or 3 times per daily digest (and not in html format)? I refer to Mr G. I am no expert myself but perhaps he might be encouraged to investigate this. thanks Steve Corrsin ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 07:32:36 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:30:03 -0400 From: Benjamin Stein Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Aunt Hessie - Further Thoughts To: "INTERNET:ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.Stanford.EDU" Message-ID: <199904191030_MC2-7285-16FD-AT- compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Thanks to Hanny for putting things so succincly. The contributions various ethnic groups have made to the cultural bank of the world have little or nothing to do with the political regimes of the moment. It would make as little sense to ban Serbian dances than to have Beethoven banned because Hitler was German or to eliminate Chinese art from the period of the Mongols because of Ghengis Khan. Let us hope that we have grown beyond that state. Thank you again-Hanny! Good lord-Greek and Turkish dances on the same program-my goodness! Ben Stein Burlington Vt. USA dancers-AT- compuserve.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:41:26 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:36:27 -0500 From: "Lawrence N. Stout" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: South African Dances To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <371B4D7B.19A1BC7D-AT- sun.iwu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <199904161051_MC2-7247-C374-AT- compuserve.com> Hanny Budnick asks if anyone remembers doing other South African dances. I recall a Pata Pata craze several years back in international folk dance circles and that the version of Petronella danced in the Scottish group I danced with in the 70's was noted as the South African version. I've now danced Petronella in Scottish style, Scottich SA, Northumbrian (as a rant), New England, and ECD. Does anyone know other versions of Petronella? -- Lawrence Neff Stout Professor of Mathematics Illinois Wesleyan University http://www.iwu.edu/~lstout "Fiddling is a viol habit." Anon? "Dancing is necessary for a well ordered society." Thoinot Arbeau ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:25:39 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:23:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul J. Stamler" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: South African Dances To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On Mon, 19 Apr 1999, Lawrence N. Stout wrote: > Hanny Budnick asks if anyone remembers doing other South African > dances. I recall a Pata Pata craze several years back in international > folk dance circles and that the version of Petronella danced in the > Scottish group I danced with in the 70's was noted as the South African > version. I've now danced Petronella in Scottish style, Scottich SA, > Northumbrian (as a rant), New England, and ECD. Does anyone know other > versions of Petronella? I occasionally call a version I picked up in the upper peninsula of Michigan, which begins improper. And someone is calling something called "Retro Petro", wherein only the active couple turns and balances -- is that the same as one of the others listed above? Peace. Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:14:06 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:07:45 -0400 From: MARTHA C DAVEY Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: South African Dances To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <19990419.151027.-200549.3.marthaCD-AT- juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I'm not quoting chapter and verse, but I believe the original Petronella was a proper dance in which only the active couples balanced and turned. In modern times all four balance and turn and I think this version (as currently done) was called Citronella for a while before everyone accepted it and thought it WAS the standard version. Martha Martha Davey 25-14 37 ST, Astoria, NY 11103 (718)278-4389 On Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:23:58 -0700 (PDT) "Paul J. Stamler" writes: >On Mon, 19 Apr 1999, Lawrence N. Stout wrote: > >> Hanny Budnick asks if anyone remembers doing other South African >> dances. I recall a Pata Pata craze several years back in >international >> folk dance circles and that the version of Petronella danced in the >> Scottish group I danced with in the 70's was noted as the South >African >> version. I've now danced Petronella in Scottish style, Scottich >SA, >> Northumbrian (as a rant), New England, and ECD. Does anyone know >other >> versions of Petronella? > >I occasionally call a version I picked up in the upper peninsula of >Michigan, which begins improper. And someone is calling something >called >"Retro Petro", wherein only the active couple turns and balances -- is > >that the same as one of the others listed above? > >Peace. >Paul Martha Martha Davey 25-14 37 ST, Astoria, NY 11103 (718)278-4389 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:15:45 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:15:12 -0400 (EDT) From: julia s sutton Subject: Re: Videotapes for dance learning To: Renaissance Dance Mailing List CC: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT To all who are interested: I have just returned from an extended weekend holiday to discover 70 (yes, seventy) messages on email. What an astounding world! Thanks to the person who recommended my video tape. It is indeed a teaching video, and a number of steps are shown at different tempos and from different angles. For those interested in Charles Garth's video try Charles Garth's email: cgarth-AT- aol.com. With regard to the Matassins: there is a detailed Labanotation of the dance as I directed it for the production "Renaissance Revisited." The entire score for that production is available for rental through The Dance Notation Bureau. The music is given, with recommended metronome markings (MMs) and pointers on maintaining the tempo. Take note that it is not the entire dance--a few passages I felt were not so clear in the text were omitted. But it is the way I did it; the important point to me is that since this dance, if done by young gentlemen, was designed to show both their strength and their skill, I interpreted the basic steps as leapt--thus akin to a Morris. For further information on it I recommend my article (written with Beth Kurtz), "Matachins, Historic Overview," in the International Encyclopedia of Dance, vol 4, pp. 325-328; published by Oxford University Press, 1998. Most large research libraries in cities and at universities, have it by now. If you wish to see my version, the Dance Notation Bureau also has the film in its library, available for rental. Julia Sutton ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:06:18 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 21:05:33 -0400 (EDT) From: JoAnne Rawls Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Petronella versions (was South African Dances) To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <19990420010533.48367.qmail-AT- hotmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Martha wrote: > >I'm not quoting chapter and verse, but I believe the original >Petronella was a proper dance in which only the active couples >balanced and turned. In modern times all four balance and turn >and I think this version (as currently done) was called Citronella >for a while before everyone accepted it and thought it >WAS the standard version. > >Martha > >Martha Davey >25-14 37 ST, >Astoria, NY 11103 >(718)278-4389 My husband and I danced Citronella at a contra dance last Saturday. It starts improper, with two sets of Petronella banances and twirls by both couples. I don't remember the whole dance, but at one point, the twos do a half-figure-eight up through the ones. As soon as they cross, the ones swing in the center. Then all circle right. It was great fun, and unusual to come across those figures while contra dancing. JoAnne Rawls Newport News, VA _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 02:03:30 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 02:03:21 +0700 From: adpete-AT- jps.net Subject: Re: South African Dances To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU, MARTHA C DAVEY Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <371c42d9.420f.0-AT- jps.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT When I first learned Petronalla about 30 years ago, it was taught as a proper dance with only the actives doing the turning. At some point (it may have been the first time Dudley Laufman was at Pinewoods) it was taught with the actives turning and then the twos were instructed that they could turn if they wanted. The "modern" version with everyone turning is more a result of "the everyone moves all the time" syndrome that pervades both newly choreographed English and Contra dances. Andy Peterson Portland, Oregon >Martha Davey wrote: >I'm not quoting chapter and verse, but I believe the original >Petronella was a proper dance in which only the active couples >balanced and turned. In modern times all four balance and turn >and I think this version (as currently done) was called Citronella >for a while before everyone accepted it and thought it >WAS the standard version. > >Martha > >>On Mon, 19 Apr 1999, Lawrence N. Stout wrote: >> >>> Hanny Budnick asks if anyone remembers doing other South African >>> dances. I recall a Pata Pata craze several years back in >>international >>> folk dance circles and that the version of Petronella danced in the >>> Scottish group I danced with in the 70's was noted as the South >>African >>> version. I've now danced Petronella in Scottish style, Scottich >>SA, >>> Northumbrian (as a rant), New England, and ECD. Does anyone know >>other >>> versions of Petronella? >> >>I occasionally call a version I picked up in the upper peninsula of >>Michigan, which begins improper. And someone is calling something >>called >>"Retro Petro", wherein only the active couple turns and balances -- is >> >>that the same as one of the others listed above? >> >>Peace. >>Paul > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 04:31:50 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:18:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Praetzel Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Petronalla To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199904201118.HAA32038-AT- sca.uwaterloo.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/PLAIN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT First an advertisement. I'm expecting to carry a CD of British Playford'ish dance music in the near future. I don't know what sort of royalty the musicians want yet; but the music should be on my web page in Real Audio within a week: http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/ > When I first learned Petronalla about 30 years ago, it was taught as a > proper dance with only the actives doing the turning. At the Spring Thaw weekend in Toronto David Smukler pointed out that he had learned the dance as proper with only the actives turning and that his generation seemed intent on having both couples turn. The older dancers didn't like it. Now, he finds that people insist on clapping while turning, and he doesn't like it! So he had us not clap during the last few repeats. The challenge that I get from it is having the first clap on time. Much like songs by an ensemble at a play; very few people come on strong with the first note. He did point out that footwork was all the rage when only the actives turned and that seems to have falled by the wayside. But I've definately heard more foot patters in Ann Arbor than I have in Canada. In a way the clapping replaced the elaborate foot work. Is this a "dumbing down" of dance? Certainly at Irish Set (not Ceili) dances there are people who have wonderfull stepping/clogging/patters; but I've never seen it taught. - Eric ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:14:17 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:14:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephen D Corrsin Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: which list is this? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT OK, the name says "ECD" = English Country Dance. Recent conversations are largely about Petronella variations (I really don't know: English?) and "international" dance. Are there separate Contra lists and "international" (there's a useless euphemism) lists? I'm not, of course, the list owner. I'm just curious. Is this becoming the "any kind of dance we like to talk about" list? Maybe it should be renamed. Inquiring minds want to know. Steve Corrsin ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:37:47 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:36:10 -0500 From: "Lawrence N. Stout" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Petronalla & which list To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <371CACFA.7BFE26AE-AT- sun.iwu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <199904201118.HAA32038-AT- sca.uwaterloo.ca> Having (sort of) started the Petronella thread I'll try to connect it to questions in ECD and some history of ECD in the US: I remember a variant done in the early 70's in longways lines proper, starting with the petronella figure done in rant step 2 turning, 2 in place, inactive couple starting in on the second set of turns. By the end of the A music everyone is (approximately) back in place. For B the active couple goes down the middle and back and then couples change places while turning using either a rant or a step hop, I don't remember which. This has a lot of the character I associate with English ceilidh dances. Is there a version currently being done in that scene? Another question is to what extent is English ceilidh dancing (barn dancing, Community Dance Manual dances) relevant to this list. Let me give some family history related to this: My grandparents did ECD (probably all Playford) is a friend's living room in Harrisburg in the 30's and 40's. It was a small group dancing in a fairly small place (though living rooms in some of those houses are not all that small). They almost certainly used recorded music and would have to dance fairly smoothly to avoid having the needle jump. My uncle danced with them as a teenager. He was the one who introduced me and a group of my friends to ECD in the mid 60's in a basement multipurpose room at Harvard. We did Playford to records. When I was in college in the late 60's I danced with the U of Chicago country dancers, a group which did Playford, RSCDS style Scottish CD, and Danish dances (reflecting the influence of the Berea Christmas Dance School). No ceilidh type dances were done there. In graduate school in the 70's I danced with the Illini Folk Danc