Archive-Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 03:27:26 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 06:27:03 -0500 (EST) From: JDingus Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Help To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <28708ff9.34f94609-AT- aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could someone send me a list of how to get on and get off of this list. Thanks, James ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 09:55:45 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 12:55:53 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Arnold Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Pleasures of Pinewoods To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 28 Feb 1998, Roger W. Broseus, CHP, Ph.D. wrote: [description of many pleasures of Pinewoods snipped out...] > Let's see, did I leave anything out? I don't think so: it was "Perpetual > Motion" as a Pinewoods experience that made it special. Each year Pinewoods surprises one with new delights. A highlight for me at the same session that Roger attended (yes, Tom Cook's "Perpetual Motion _was_ special...) was that day when a light drizzle was falling and I was practicing recorder with a friend in my cabin in Bampton about noon, and a family of wild turkeys -- a hen and four or five chicks -- sauntered casually past my door, hardly 10 feet away . . . Eric Arnold Ann Arbor > > All that having been said, there are many close seconds for me as favorite > dances; most have been mentioned by others so I'll not be redundant. > > -- Roger > __ _ _________________ _ ______________________________________________ > /__) _,___, _ _ /_) Contra dancing fanatic, English country > / \__(_) (_/_(/__/(_ /__). dance aficionado. Superfluous disclaimer: > _/_ my opinions are mine. Email: IDo-AT- exist.com > ________ (/_______________________________________________________________ > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 15:41:30 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 08:04:00 +1100 From: Martin Hungerford Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Re[2]: enthusiasm builds To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <01bd4555$8ed36fc0$0100007f-AT- localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit lets not forget to add disco lighting, strobing out of time to the beat. (I have actually played for this - not nice) Martin ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 02:28:32 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 02:28:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Where are the ECD hotbeds in US? To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01IU6A4Z6A2M9AO1EW-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Folks -- Somebody just asked me whether it was true that the San Francisco Bay Area had more English dancing than anywhere outside of New England. I couldn't answer, but it occurred to me that it would be interesting to know how much ECD there is in places that have any. [My impression is that the scene in England is so different that we couldn't make a useful comparison. What we're talking here is, pretty much, open dancing that anyone can drop in off the street for, with no club membership needed, but which still tend to build repertoire, which doesn't seem to be what ceilidh dances do. (I'm under the impression that it would be quite antithetical to the ceilidh spirit to have a "for those who know" Foula Reel, for example.) I realize that I'm clueless about what series models exist in other ECDancing countries; feel free to enlighten me about any of this.] What I think I know about; please correct me if wrong, both about numbers of dances and geographical assumptions. These are off the top of my head. SF Bay Area Berkeley: 2nd and 4th Wednesdays, 4th Saturdays (experienced) - 3 San Francisco: 2nd Saturdays - 1 Palo Alto: 1st and 3d Fridays - 2 (plus Regency on 2nd Fridays) San Jose: 1st and 3d Wednesdays - 2 This gives us 8 CDSS-style ECD series entries a month, plus Playford Ball and Fall Ball (and any special workshops for them.) About 200 people show up for Playford, many from out of town. (Berkeley to San Jose is about 50 miles.) Sebastopol, in the North Bay, has a monthly series. Los Angeles Area Torrance: 1st Thursday? West Los Angeles: Regency on Second Saturdays. Seattle Area: [Did I hear correctly that Judy Rivkin's dance has gone weekly?] Boston (Mass) Area: Cambridge: Weekly Wednesdays? (4) Baltimore/DC? NYC? Princeton? Atlanta? [It would be lovely if someone would undertake to produce a web page showing all this information with contact info, but that someone is unlikely to be me.] Thanks, -- Alan =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA 94309-0210 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 02:40:16 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 02:40:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Reminder - Digest format To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01IU6B05JJTG9AO1EW-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Folks -- There' s been a lot of traffic on the ECD list lately, which I always find gratifying. However, some people can't deal with having a lot of mail messages popping up all day. If you are one of those people, and would rather get a single message that combines all the traffic, you can do it with the DIGEST option. (A digest goes out whenever there've been a fair number of messages (but no more than daily), or every few days, whichever goes first. They've been daily, lately.) If you want to get the DIGEST, follow these instructions: Send a message to ECD-REQUEST-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Leave the subject line blank, and, starting on the first line of the message body, put SET DIGEST You should get an automated email acknowledgment of your change. If you don't, and can't figure out why, you can email me, winston-AT- slac.stanford.edu, preferably forwarding whatever you do get back -- if the robot refuses to do it, it usually has error codes that let me understand why. If you change your mind and want to go back to individual messages, send to the ECD-REQUEST address with the message body SET NODIGEST When replying to a message in the digest, remember to change the subject line of your reply from ECD-DIGEST #whatever to match the subject of the message you're responding to. This will, in addition to minimizing confusion, allow your reply to be found with the rest of the thread in the archive. -- Alan =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA 94309-0210 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 06:57:51 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 10:12:07 -0500 From: Maryn McKenna Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Where are the ECD hotbeds in US? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" don't know if i'm the only Atlanta resident on this list, so... 404 has ECD once monthly. (and a killer three-day weekend in the fall!) maryn mck. atl - = - = - = - = - = - = - = - = - = - = - = - = - = - = - M.A.J. McKenna, staff writer Atlanta Journal-Constitution 404.526.5987 vox/404.526.5509 fax mmckenna-AT- ajc.com/mmckenna-AT- mindspring.com - = - = - = - = - = - = - = - = - = - = - = - = - = - = - ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 07:28:41 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 10:28:48 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Arnold Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Where are the ECD hotbeds in US? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII English Country Dancing in Michigan: There is English Country Dancing on alternate Tuesdays and on 4th Saturdays in Ann Arbor. There are no regularly scheduled annual ECD events such as balls, but there have been irregularly scheduled events with ECD. There are also some mixed English/contra events. In Kalamazoo (Oshtemo, just west of Kalamazoo) they have an English Country dance on 3rd Wednesdays. I have heard that someone is leading ECD in the Bay City area, but I don't know if they have a regular schedule. I don't know of any other regular ECD events in Michigan. Eric Arnold Ann Arbor ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 07:59:03 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 10:57:27 -0500 From: "Robert D. Le Mar" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: LIST To: LISTSERVE Message-ID: <199803021058_MC2-3536-36E-AT- compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LIST = ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 08:03:18 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 10:03:27 -0600 (CST) From: Jonathan Sivier Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Where are the ECD hotbeds in US? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199803021603.KAA14389-AT- staff1.cso.uiuc.edu> Midwest: Champaign-Urbana, Illinois The Central Illinois English Country Dancers have a monthly dance with a Playford Ball in June and a Christmas Ball in December. There are also dances in Chicago, St. Louis and Madison, WI, though I'm not sure of their schedules. The St. Louis group holds a Playford Ball in May (May 16 this year). Jonathan ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Jonathan Sivier |Q: How many angels can dance on the | | j-sivier-AT- uiuc.edu | head of a pin? | | Flight Simulation Lab |A: It depends on what dance you call. | | Beckman Institute | | | 405 N. Mathews | SWMDG - Single White Male | | Urbana, IL 61801 | Dance Gypsy | | Work: 217/244-1923 | | | Home: 217/359-8225 | Have shoes, will dance. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Home page URL: http://www.staff.uiuc.edu/~j-sivier | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 08:49:02 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 08:48:28 -0800 (PST) From: bestockp-AT- oz.net Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: worst of all To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In the thread on Star of David, Colin Hume wonders what it is like to be tapped on the shoulder. I can only answer for myself , of course, but I find it annoying and painful. Tapping is a sharp, irritating movement at best, and in my case its likely to cause back spasms and pinched leg nerves no matter how gently its done. I hope someone will figure out an alternative method of getting people to wake up and move when they are supposed to, but I'd rather have people in the wrong place in the set than violate their personal space by poking them. Perhaps they can be taught the musical cue for the place where they move? Bruce Hamilton, if you are reading this, could you share with us the language that you used on Sat. in the dance you called in Portland to encourage people to use non-touching methods of communicating with others in their set? It was framed in a positive way and got the message across really nicely! Thanks. Vicky Bestock ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 08:57:48 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 11:57:49 -0500 (EST) From: Sharon Green Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Where are the ECD hotbeds in US? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199803021657.LAA04912-AT- mail1.panix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >NYC? [Sept. till early June] Manhattan: Weekly Tuesday dances; Friday dances average 1 every 2 months. As of next fall, we may have a once-a-month ECD on Saturdays--given the surge in popularity of English around here, we're having to rethink our whole schedule. White Plains NY: Weekly Thursday dances, except last week of month when there's usually a Friday party. (40 min. from Manhattan w/o traffic; w/ traffic, heaven only knows) Wayne NJ: 2nd & 4th Sunday afternoons. (45 min. from Manhattan) [*My home base as a teacher--Sharon] Smithtown NY apparently has once-a-month ECD workshops January-April & October-November, but I've not yet dropped by one. Upstate New York has also begun to develop a very nice cluster of English dances within about an hour's distance of one another: [Oct. thru May] East Greenbush [just outside Albany]: 1st Sunday afternoons. Albany: 3rd Fridays [May thru Oct.] Stockport: 3rd Saturdays [All year] Woodstock: 2nd Fridays Happy dancing! Sharon Green ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 09:21:13 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 12:14:20 -0500 From: "Daniel J. Walkowitz" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Where are the ECD hotbeds in US? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980302121420.007b0820-AT- is2.nyu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" If SF is going to extend itself from San Jose to Berkeley, NYC probably properly includes Westchester to Princeton and maybe Titusville) and North Jersey [Wayne]. Sharon or someonoe else can probably do the numbers better than I, but I get NYC: weekly (Tues.) and monthly experienced -- 5 Westchester: weekly (Thurs) and monthly experienced -- 5 Wayne (monthly or bi-monthly?) -- 1/2 Princeton: monthly -- 1 Titusville: monthly? -- 1 Then there are dances in the Hudson Valley, balls in NY and Westchester and a series (2-3)of annual workshops, cotillions, Princeton's February Fling (and wonderful it was this Saturday!) and a bi-annual fall weekend. Sharon, you can clean up the numbers. Danny Walkowitz At 02:28 AM 3/2/98 -0700, you wrote: >Folks -- > >Somebody just asked me whether it was true that the San Francisco Bay Area >had more English dancing than anywhere outside of New England. > >I couldn't answer, but it occurred to me that it would be interesting to know >how much ECD there is in places that have any. > >[My impression is that the scene in England is so different that we couldn't >make a useful comparison. What we're talking here is, pretty much, open >dancing that anyone can drop in off the street for, with no club membership >needed, but which still tend to build repertoire, which doesn't seem to be what >ceilidh dances do. (I'm under the impression that it would be quite >antithetical to the ceilidh spirit to have a "for those who know" Foula Reel, >for example.) I realize that I'm clueless about what series models exist in >other ECDancing countries; feel free to enlighten me about any of this.] > >What I think I know about; please correct me if wrong, both about numbers of >dances and geographical assumptions. These are off the top of my head. > >SF Bay Area > > Berkeley: 2nd and 4th Wednesdays, 4th Saturdays (experienced) - 3 > San Francisco: 2nd Saturdays - 1 > Palo Alto: 1st and 3d Fridays - 2 (plus Regency on 2nd Fridays) > San Jose: 1st and 3d Wednesdays - 2 > >This gives us 8 CDSS-style ECD series entries a month, plus Playford Ball >and Fall Ball (and any special workshops for them.) About 200 people show >up for Playford, many from out of town. (Berkeley to San Jose is about 50 >miles.) > >Sebastopol, in the North Bay, has a monthly series. > > > >Los Angeles Area > > Torrance: 1st Thursday? > West Los Angeles: Regency on Second Saturdays. > > >Seattle Area: > > [Did I hear correctly that Judy Rivkin's dance has gone weekly?] > > > > >Boston (Mass) Area: > > Cambridge: Weekly Wednesdays? (4) > > > >Baltimore/DC? > > >NYC? > > >Princeton? > > >Atlanta? > > > >[It would be lovely if someone would undertake to produce a web page showing >all this information with contact info, but that someone is unlikely to be me.] > > >Thanks, > >-- Alan > > > >=========================================================================== ==== > Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU > Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 > Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA 94309-0210 >=========================================================================== ==== > > > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 09:22:21 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 09:21:44 -0800 From: giovanni de amici Subject: Re: Where are the ECD hotbeds in US? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <34FAEAA8.3CD1-AT- trw.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <01IU6A4Z6A2M9AO1EW-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> Alan Winston wrote: > ...... > ... it occurred to me that it would be interesting to know > how much ECD there is in places that have any. > .... > Los Angeles Area > > Torrance: 1st Thursday? > West Los Angeles: Regency on Second Saturdays. > ...... actually Los Angeles is a little better off than Alan thinks: the dance in Torrance is a bi-weekly event 1st and 3rd Thursday of each month. a new series will debut in the San Fernando Valley in April: 1st, 3rd, 5th Sunday and an annual Jane Austen event is organized by the Lively Arts History Association. Happy dancing. Giovanni De Amici ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 09:38:56 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 09:39:07 -0800 (PST) From: rushton-AT- biology.utah.edu (Emma Rushton) Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Where are the ECD hotbeds in US? To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Utah could not be described as a hotbed of ECD, but.....Salt Lake City has dances on first and third Thursdays. I believe the SCA in Logan does some English, but I don't know the extent of it. Emma Emma Rushton, Department of Biology, University of Utah, 257 South, 1400 East Salt Lake City, UT 84112 phone (801) 585-9425, fax (801) 581-4668 "time is fun when you're having flies" - Kermit the Frog ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 09:39:35 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 09:38:33 -0800 From: Eric Goodill Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Where are the ECD hotbeds in US? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <34FAEE99.6A1D0CE2-AT- cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <01IU6A4Z6A2M9AO1EW-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote: [snip] > SF Bay Area > > Berkeley: 2nd and 4th Wednesdays, 4th Saturdays (experienced) - 3 > San Francisco: 2nd Saturdays - 1 > Palo Alto: 1st and 3d Fridays - 2 (plus Regency on 2nd Fridays) > San Jose: 1st and 3d Wednesdays - 2 You may have edited this information for this posting, but the SJ ECD is 1st, 3rd, and 5th Wednesdays. -Eric ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 09:50:07 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 12:48:51 -0500 From: Martin.Fager-AT- bowne.com (Martin Fager) Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re[3]: enthusiasm builds To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU, Barbara Ruth Message-ID: <0009EA3A.1618-AT- bowne.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here in NYC, I would say about half of the women at our English dances are comfortable with asking men to dance. When a same-sex couple dances, of course one of them is dancing the other gender's role. A heterosexual couple rarely dances in each other's places, partly I think because this might confuse other dancers, especially the newer ones. Since most of our English dances have more women than men, most of the same-sex couples we see are composed of women. We rarely see two men dancing together, because there is a (largely unexpressed) feeling that since there are more women at the dances, the men should dance with them. There is no enforced hetero dance coupling implied here. Women do dance with each other all the time, and some men, including myself, occasionally do likewise. Our contra dances often have more men than women, and lo and behold, they have more men dancing together. Our policy is that anyone can ask anyone to dance, and anyone can dance with anyone. The role inversions I suggested for the Ball From Hell would create plenty of frisson, especially if men were made to feel that they were not to do any asking, but instead must wait to be asked to dance. That would be a big change. There are also lots of men who have not danced in the women's role, and it's sometimes different enough to create confusion in the mind of a dancer who knows a dance from only one side of the set. I think we are all operating in the same century here, and perhaps "gender-free" dancing is the norm at New Haven dances, but in many venues it's more mindset than reality. Marty Fager ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re[2]: enthusiasm builds Author: Barbara Ruth at Internet-Express Date: 2/27/98 2:27 PM ---Barbara Ruth wrote: I feel like I've wandered in from the wrong century here. As far as I'm aware, women asking men for dances nowadays is about as unusual, and as intrinsically humorous, as say, a woman doctor or lawyer. Switching roles may be a little more unusual - at least in predominantly straight dance venues - but it still occurs generally without causing any huge fuss. And of course many women and some [men] cheerfully dance either role with partners of the same sex. I don't see that there is anything that qualifies as "hellish" in any of these things. The cross-dressing aspect on the other hand I could see. Very few men know how to choose a ball gown that complements their figures. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 14:11:33 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 17:10:57 -0500 From: Benjamin Stein Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Where are the ECD hotbeds in US? To: "INTERNET:ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.Stanford.EDU" Message-ID: <199803021711_MC2-353F-50D3-AT- compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Vermont: Can't speak for the whole state but! Burlington has ECD twice a month (Friday evenings) from Septmber to May, usually to recordings but an occassional dance with live music. Peter Burrage is the usual leader. In White River Junction there is a monthly dance starting in January, on sunday afternoons with live music and caller Chris Levy. There is a Playford Ball in Strafford in October with rehersals in the White River-Hanover area for several weeks before. Similarly there is a Playford Ball in Brattleboro the Saturday before Thanksgiving, with rehersals in the area just before. Ben Stein Burlington Vt. USA Dancers-AT- Compuserve.Com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 14:14:20 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 17:10:56 -0500 From: Benjamin Stein Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re[3]: enthusiasm builds To: "INTERNET:ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.Stanford.EDU" Message-ID: <199803021711_MC2-353F-50D0-AT- compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At the last dance in White River Junction that I attended, we started wit= h more men than women. It didn't seem to create any problems at all (I danc= ed on the "Women's" side for the first two dances). I teach Scottish Country= Dancing as well as dancing English and when I was preparing for my preliminary certificate our group had more men than women. I was delighte= d because it gave me the oppotunity to understand the problems of the other= sex by dancing in a womans place at least half the time. If you are a teacher or caller, I would highly recommend it. Ben Stein Burlington, Vt. USA Dancers-AT- Compuserve.Com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 16:39:48 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Return-Path: bolker-AT- phoenix.Princeton.EDU Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 19:03:48 -0500 (EST) From: Susie Lorand Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Where are the ECD hotbeds in US? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote: > Princeton? occasional wednesday nights, as part of what is now a mostly-contra series. (early in pcd's history, english and american dancing were mixed together at every dance. they still are at our winter cotillion, 2nd sunday in december.) titusville, n.j. (across the delaware river from washington's crossing, not far from I-95): 1st friday of every month--occasionally held in princeton or elsewhere when we expect more dancers than the titusville hall can hold. the group running this dance is the lambertville country dancers, who also hold a contra series on 2nd & 4th fridays in yardley, pa. btw, the february fling has been held in princeton for two years now, but it is co-sponsored by the princeton and lambertville country dancers. philadelphia: i don't know if any phila. dancers are currently reading this list, so i'll jump in--every wednesday at merion friends meeting (except for august and occasional holidays), narberth, pa. (one of the nearer western suburbs); 1st saturdays in the fall/winter/spring at summit church in the mt. airy (?) section of philadelphia. --susie lorand still recovering from the february fling... ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 18:39:54 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 18:25:33 -0800 (PST) From: "Paul J. Stamler" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Where are the ECD hotbeds in US? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, Jonathan Sivier wrote: > Midwest: [snip] > There are also dances in Chicago, St. Louis and Madison, WI, though I'm > not sure of their schedules. The St. Louis group holds a Playford Ball in > May (May 16 this year). St. Louis dances twice a month (2nd & 4th Mondays), has the aforementioned Playford Ball in May and for the last two years has held a Holiday Grand Dance in early December. Peace. Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 20:37:42 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 23:41:07 +0000 From: Rich Galloway Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Where are the ECD hotbeds in US? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199803030436.XAA10746-AT- ns.kreative.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > Baltimore/DC? In the DC area Every Wednesday at Glen Echo Town Hall 2nd and 4th Tuesdays in Herndon, VA 2nd and 4th Saturdays in Silver Spring, MD In Baltimore Every Wednesday at Lovely Lane Church In Harrisburg, PA 2nd Saturdays ==================================================== Rich Galloway Silver Spring, MD ==================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 21:54:26 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 00:53:24 -0500 From: Diane Schmit Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Where are the ECD hotbeds in US? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980303005324.006be3c4-AT- popd.ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:41 PM 3/2/98 +0000, you wrote: >> Baltimore/DC? > >In the DC area > > Every Wednesday at Glen Echo Town Hall > 2nd and 4th Tuesdays in Herndon, VA > 2nd and 4th Saturdays in Silver Spring, MD Also, Playford Ball each spring (usually May) and other special events (e.g. New Year's Eve, various workshops) > >In Baltimore > Every Wednesday at Lovely Lane Church Also, Playford Ball each Fall, usually October; other events from time to time. >In Harrisburg, PA > 2nd Saturdays > > >==================================================== >Rich Galloway Silver Spring, MD >==================================================== > > Diane Schmit (who once considered Phila an extension of the Balt/DC area as far as dancing goes) dschmit-AT- ix.netcom.com Gaithersburg, MD Diane Schmit dschmit-AT- ix.netcom.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 23:32:06 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 02:32:13 -0500 (EST) From: Dawn Culbertson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Where are the ECD hotbeds in US? To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU CC: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, Rich Galloway wrote: > > Baltimore/DC? > > In the DC area > > Every Wednesday at Glen Echo Town Hall > 2nd and 4th Tuesdays in Herndon, VA > 2nd and 4th Saturdays in Silver Spring, MD > > In Baltimore > Every Wednesday at Lovely Lane Church > > In Harrisburg, PA > 2nd Saturdays Baltimore and DC also hold Playford Balls each year; Baltimore's is usually in Oct., DC's in April or May. Also, not too far to the north, the Germantown Country Dancers in PA hold regular dances, though I don't have specifics. An addendum to the above: for some time now, the Baltimore dances have had a regular "Dance of the Month" feature, where a specific dance is taught every week for a month, for the purpose of building repertoire. Is there any other regularly scheduled dance out there that has something like this? If so, what kind of dances have been done and what is/has been the general reaction to it? Dawn Culbertson dcculb-AT- peabody.jhu.edu ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 03:53:47 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 06:54:07 -0500 From: eferguson-AT- umassd.edu (Emily L. Ferguson) Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Hotbeds To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Well, nobody's speaking for Boston. They must all be busy. We have weekly dances on Wednesday evenings from 7:30-10:30. Music provided by Bare Necessities or Barer Necessities when weather insists. Cambrdige, YWCA, Temple Place in Central Square. There is a roster of callers, 8 or maybe 9 of us, and Helene Cornelius leads some portion of every week's dance. The dance runs from September through June. We have a monthly dance at a more experienced level on First Fridays at the Church of Our Savior, Brookline, 8:15-11:00. This dance is led by a rotating series of callers - each caller has his/her own evening. Music is provided by either Jacqueline Schwab or some mixture of other folks, depending on availability. Also September through June. We also have a Playford Ball in March, coming up this weekend., but there is no weekly rehearsal schedule, just a big intensive afternoon. We have been doing a Dance of The Month for many years now, 6 or 8 years maybe? It may build repertoire, especially for the callers, who get the pleasure of looking at more complex or less frequently done dances and working out how to present them. In general, if the dance is liked by the dancers, the concept is well received. If the dance is a dud, people complain. There is, I believe, another weekly dance, in S. Weymouth, run by George Fogg. I'm not certain of the details, but other people on the list are. George also offers one or more special parties/balls. In addition we have an annual English/Scottish party, some privately run parties (right after Christmas) and there may also still be a family event, which Rich Jackson might be able to tell you about. I have also recently begun a 5th Saturday dance in Falmouth, on Cape Cod. Music is provided by Jan Elliott and Jaquie Fehon. It happens at most 4 times a year. The next one is on Memorial Day weekend. Somebody fill out this schedule, please. Emily L. Ferguson - Cape Cod, Massachusetts eferguson-AT- umassd.edu Photographer, English Country Dance leader, weaver/spinner No matter which side of the fence you're on, the grass will always turn brown if you don't water it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 06:32:51 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 09:35:03 -0500 From: "Howard A. Markham" Subject: Re: Where are the ECD hotbeds in US? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <34FC1506.4F2AA26A-AT- mitre.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199803030436.XAA10746-AT- ns.kreative.net> Rich Galloway wrote: > > > Baltimore/DC? > > In the DC area > > Every Wednesday at Glen Echo Town Hall > 2nd and 4th Tuesdays in Herndon, VA Also: 3rd Saturday in Herndon, VA > 2nd and 4th Saturdays in Silver Spring, MD > > In Baltimore > Every Wednesday at Lovely Lane Church > > In Harrisburg, PA > 2nd Saturdays > > ==================================================== > Rich Galloway Silver Spring, MD > ==================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 10:01:31 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 10:01:38 -0800 From: Bruce Hamilton Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Touching To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU CC: hamilton-AT- hplbh.hpl.hp.com Message-ID: <199803031801.AA252018098-AT- hplbh.hpl.hp.com> Please excuse the odd point of view in the following. I'm just back from a callers workshop, and still have that stuff swirling around in my head. Vicky Bestock wrote: >In the thread on Star of David, Colin Hume wonders what it is like to >be tapped on the shoulder. I can only answer for myself, of course, >but I find it annoying and painful. Indeed. In RSCDS teachers classes the admonition is "don't touch your dancers," and I preach this to inexperienced teachers and those with Type A personalities. In my own explorations I found (from Paul Sarvis, I think) that the lightest of touches, coupled with carefully- chosen body language and generous thoughts, worked well. This sounds Northern California, but the thoughts are important: when I'm thinking of what *I* want, the touch produces completely different results. I've also heard it as: "the lighter the touch, the more profound the effect." There are people on whom a light touch has no effect, but I've often found that a heavy touch has no effect on them either. By the way, this theory doesn't give permission for a tap on the shoulder, however light. I can't imagine any unselfish thoughts that give rise to tapping someone. >could you share with us the language that you used on Sat. in the >dance you called in Portland to encourage people to use non-touching >methods of communicating with others in their set? It comes out differently every time, but it was something like, "please do help, and while you are helping, do it without saying anything and without touching anyone (except where the dance calls for you to touch them)." In callers classes where we get to "how to be a good dancer when someone else is calling" I take this one step further. The next step is to make sure you truly don't mind if it breaks anyway. This is hard for callers, but it really helps. It's related to generous thoughts, and to another point Vicky made: >I hope someone will figure out an alternative method of getting people >to wake up and move when they are supposed to, but I'd rather have >people in the wrong place in the set than violate their personal space >by poking them. I agree on both counts. -Bruce Hamilton ERROR: ERROR: ERROR: ERROR: ERROR: {SMACK!} C:\> ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 13:40:11 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 17:38:36 -0500 From: MARYKAY FRIDAY Subject: Tunes in Need of Lovely Dances [Was: worst of all] To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <34FC866C.7198-AT- erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <9803038889.AA888951723-AT- smtp-gw1.census.gov> Larry Stout wrote: > > .... As I recall, "Drive the > Cold Winter Away", is a so-so dance with a wonderful tune-- perhaps we should > start a thread for tunes in need of lovely dances. ... Several of us in the Baltimore-Washington area constructed a modest little 3-couple dance (Dottie Szymanski came up with the kernel -- really the whole chorus) in 1996. Then we looked around for a good tune that wasn't used much (in our area, anyway). What we settled on was "Drive the Cold Winter Away." Here it is: HUDSON CREEK 3-couple circle Part I A1 All into the center and back. A2 That again. B1 Women RIGHT hands across; partners gypsy RIGHT (cw). B2 Circle LEFT; partners set and turn single, passing on to the next (as in "Trip to Paris") (new partners). Part II A1 Side by side right (Shaw siding). A2 Side by side left. B1 Men LEFT hands across; partners gypsy LEFT (ccw). B2 Circle RIGHT; partners set and turn single, passing on to the next. Part III A1 Arm right. A2 Arm left. B1 As in Part I. B2 As in Part I. Mary Kay Friday Washington, D.C. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 19:50:45 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 22:50:48 -0500 From: "Roger W. Broseus, CHP, Ph.D." Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Washington Spring Ball To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_889001448==_" --=====================_889001448==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" --=====================_889001448==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Folklore Society of Greater Washington Presents the Annual =20 Washington Spring Ball Saturday, May 16, 1998 =20 at the Whitby Gymnasium, National Cathedral School, Washington, D.C. =20 Music by Earl Gaddis, violin & viola; Andrea Hoag, violin; Liz Donaldson, piano =20 Admission by prior reservation $20 for members of FSGW, BFMS or CDSS, $22 for nonmembers =20 Reception: 7:30 p.m. Dance: 8:00 p.m. Light refreshments served during the break =20 =20 ----- =20 The Program Apley House Easter Thursday Orleans Baffled Ashford Anniversary Faithless Nancy Dawson Peace Be With You Cuckolds All Arow Hambleton's Round O Prince William (Hey Boys Up Go We) Heidenr=94slein Red House The Collier's Daughter In the Bleak Midwinter Slaughter House Come Let's Be Merry Jacob Hall's Jig Trip to Greene Dick's Maggot Mad Robin The Wood Duck ----- Please register by May 2 (postmark date). Subject to space limitations, priority will be given to dancers whose applications are postmarked by April 5 and for members of FSWG (only) whose applications are postmarked by April 16. After that, an approximate gender balance will be maintained. =20 Registrants will receive information about the pre-ball practice session, directions to the halls, and a dance instruction booklet unless they choose to receive confirmation via email or do not send a SASE. For more information, contact Marian Lapp at (703) 533-2966 (h), (703) 876-5207 (w); Kimberly Field at (410) 366-5033; or Roger W. Broseus, via email: English-AT- fsgw.org.=0C -------------------------------------------------------------------------- REGISTRATION for the FSGW's annual Washington Spring Ball 1998 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- NAME(s) as they are to appear on name tags. (Indicate gender after each name with a "M" or "F" or couple with a "C" after names.) First:_______________________ Initial: ___ Last:_______________________ First:_______________________ Initial: ___ Last:_______________________ Address: _______________________________________________________________ City: ______________________________ State: _____ Zip:__________________ Phone: AC: _____ Number _____-_______ Email: ___________________________ Reserve ____ places at $20 for members of FSGW |__|, BFMS |__|, CDSS |__| Reserve ____ places at $22 for nonmembers. |__| Overnight hospitality needed. |__| Allergy / Prefer Non-smoking? ________________________________ |__| Can provide overnight hospitality for _____ visitors. Enclose check, payable to FSGW, with a self-addressed, stamped, business-size envelope with appropriate postage (32-cent plus a 23-cent=20 stamp for EACH dance program booklet after the first); if no SASE is=20 provided, booklet(s) will be held at the door. Send registration to: Roger W. Broseus 6722 Surreywood Lane Bethesda, MD 20817. |__| CHECK HERE to receive confirmation via e-mail (including directions to the location of the practice session and ball); the instruction booklet is to be held at the |__| ball registration table or |__| ball practice (no SASE necessary). Registration can not be accomplished via email. (Print this with courier 10pt or other, fixed-pitch font for best results.) --=====================_889001448==_-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 21:02:05 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 23:24:09 -0500 From: rherman-AT- igc.org (L. Russell Herman, Jr.) Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Where are the ECD hotbeds in US? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I couldn't answer, but it occurred to me that it would be interesting to know >how much ECD there is in places that have any. Durham, North Carolina: Every Thursday evening. Plus a big New Year's Eve dance and a less fancy spring dance on a Saturday evening, usually in May. Gender-neutral. --------------------------------------------------------------------- L. Russell Herman, Jr. Raleigh, North Carolina, USA --------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 23:54:00 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 23:54:02 -0800 From: "Gary D. Shapiro" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: What Is English Country/Playford Dancing? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Will someone accept the challenge to create a web page that answers the above question? If someone just writes it, I'm sure someone else can host it if necessary. Just think of the recognition, the fame, the inability to go to a Jane Austen movie without being mobbed, that being the maintainer of such a noble web page, will bring. -- Gary Shapiro, garyes-AT- iname.com (pronounced "Gary Yes!") What is contra dance? ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 05:38:18 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 08:40:15 -0500 From: "Howard A. Markham" Subject: [Fwd: Where are the ECD hotbeds in US?] To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <34FD59BD.FC9832F8-AT- mitre.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------06ECA15D59F2953B2BF27792" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------06ECA15D59F2953B2BF27792 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -- Howard A. Markham, The MITRE Corporation 1820 Dolley Madison Blvd, MS W432 McLean, VA 22102-3481 (703) 883-5731, (fax) 883-3315 --------------06ECA15D59F2953B2BF27792 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mbunix by mail90.mitre.org (5.65v4.0/1.1.8.2/22Jun94-0628PM) id AA20997; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 22:05:08 -0500 Received: from ns.kreative.net (root-AT- ns.kreative.net [209.45.176.2]) by mbunix.mitre.org (8.8.8/8.8.8/mitre.0) with ESMTP id WAA11037 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 22:05:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from rich-s-pc (dial89.kreative.net [209.45.176.104]) by ns.kreative.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA06713 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 22:03:58 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803040303.WAA06713-AT- ns.kreative.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Rich Galloway" To: "Howard A. Markham" Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 22:08:13 -7000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Where are the ECD hotbeds in US? Priority: normal In-Reply-To: <34FC1506.4F2AA26A-AT- mitre.org> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > Rich Galloway wrote: > > > > > Baltimore/DC? > > > > In the DC area > > > > Every Wednesday at Glen Echo Town Hall > > 2nd and 4th Tuesdays in Herndon, VA > Also: 3rd Saturday in Herndon, VA > > 2nd and 4th Saturdays in Silver Spring, MD > > > > In Baltimore > > Every Wednesday at Lovely Lane Church For Baltimore, that should read "Every _Monday_ at Lovely Lane Church." (Mea culpa. Beware of late night typing.) There is a contra dance there on Wednesdays. > > In Harrisburg, PA > > 2nd Saturdays > > ==================================================== Rich Galloway Silver Spring, MD ==================================================== --------------06ECA15D59F2953B2BF27792-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 05:43:20 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 08:45:14 -0500 From: "Howard A. Markham" Subject: [Fwd: Where are the ECD hotbeds in US?] To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <34FD5AE8.9EC6C39F-AT- mitre.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------5A1BCD8415661BD070E48174" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------5A1BCD8415661BD070E48174 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm sure Rich meant to send this to the list, so I'm forwarding it. It appears he wasn't the only one inattentive to his writing that the Baltimore dance is on Wednesday rather than the correct day, Monday. -- Howard --------------5A1BCD8415661BD070E48174 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mbunix by mail90.mitre.org (5.65v4.0/1.1.8.2/22Jun94-0628PM) id AA20997; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 22:05:08 -0500 Received: from ns.kreative.net (root-AT- ns.kreative.net [209.45.176.2]) by mbunix.mitre.org (8.8.8/8.8.8/mitre.0) with ESMTP id WAA11037 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 22:05:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from rich-s-pc (dial89.kreative.net [209.45.176.104]) by ns.kreative.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA06713 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 22:03:58 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803040303.WAA06713-AT- ns.kreative.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Rich Galloway" To: "Howard A. Markham" Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 22:08:13 -7000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Where are the ECD hotbeds in US? Priority: normal In-Reply-To: <34FC1506.4F2AA26A-AT- mitre.org> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) > Rich Galloway wrote: > > > > > Baltimore/DC? > > > > In the DC area > > > > Every Wednesday at Glen Echo Town Hall > > 2nd and 4th Tuesdays in Herndon, VA > Also: 3rd Saturday in Herndon, VA > > 2nd and 4th Saturdays in Silver Spring, MD > > > > In Baltimore > > Every Wednesday at Lovely Lane Church For Baltimore, that should read "Every _Monday_ at Lovely Lane Church." (Mea culpa. Beware of late night typing.) There is a contra dance there on Wednesdays. > > In Harrisburg, PA > > 2nd Saturdays > > ==================================================== Rich Galloway Silver Spring, MD ==================================================== --------------5A1BCD8415661BD070E48174-- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 07:19:10 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 10:19:14 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen D Corrsin Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: touchy feely To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII All this about this "Star of David" dance, with the shoulder tap... Here's a thought on how it might be done in NYC. (Keep in mind that many New Yorkers learn to park using the "braille method," by which you make room for your car by slamming into those other cars in front and back of the space you want, repeatedly.) So perhaps the New York version might include knocking the other couple down and trampling them into the floor. Or shouting into their ears, "Hey Jerks! Wakey wakey, nap time's over." Or even automatic weapons fire might do the trick. (Preferably just a few warning shots into the crowd.) Or turning the boom box which one has strapped to one's shoulder on, top volume, to a rap station. Well, it's an idea. Steve Corrsin ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 07:50:38 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 10:50:34 -0500 From: swartell-AT- cas.org (Sue Wartell (swartell-AT- cas.org, ext. 3387)) Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Where are the ECD hotbeds in US? To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <9803041050.AA25080-AT- cas.org> Columbus OH 1st, 3rd, 5th Sundays at St. Stephen's Church (Summer schedule - July, August - sometimes only 3rd Sundays) Sue Wartell Columbus OH ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 08:07:49 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 11:07:17 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Arnold Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: touchy feely To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, Stephen D Corrsin wrote: [snip] > So perhaps the New York version might include knocking the other couple > down and trampling them into the floor. Or shouting into their ears, "Hey > Jerks! Wakey wakey, nap time's over." Or even automatic weapons fire might > do the trick. (Preferably just a few warning shots into the crowd.) Or > turning the boom box which one has strapped to one's > shoulder on, top volume, to a rap station. > > Well, it's an idea. > > Steve Corrsin As a midwesterner who used to wonder why *anyone* would want to go to New York, but who now has driven there to dance with wonderful people more times than he can easily remember, I protest that this is blatantly unfair to the New York English Country Dance community, whose hospitality and friendliness more than make up for the more publicized aspects of the Big City. The dance community there, at least, is entitled to be much kinder to itself! Eric Arnold Ann Arbor (one of the suburbs a bit past the Hudson, somewhat before the Mississippi...) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 08:31:03 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 11:31:04 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Arnold Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: New dance title To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Larry Stout wrote: > .... As I recall, "Drive the > Cold Winter Away", is a so-so dance with a wonderful tune-- perhaps we should > start a thread for tunes in need of lovely dances. ... A title for a new dance to "Drive the Cold Winter Away" might be "El Nin~o" . . . Eric (who just lived through the warmest February on record in Michigan) Arnold ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 11:54:45 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 11:54:03 -0800 From: giovanni de amici Subject: Re: Where are the ECD hotbeds in US? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <34FDB15B.5F71-AT- trw.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="ecd all over.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <01IU6A4Z6A2M9AO1EW-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> Hallo. I compiled this summary of "ECD's hotbeds in the continental USA" from information recently collected from the ECD mailing list. Entries are arranged alphabetically by state. Errors and omissions are entirely my fault. Use it at your own risk. If anyone wishes to add more entries, complete the list with phone numbers for the people responsible for each dance, and/or make it into a web page, please do. I think this list could be most useful if it included dance series which are NOT in CDSS's yearly master list (e.g. Los Angeles' sunday series). Giovanni De Amici California Los Angeles - 1st and 3rd Thursday of each month in Torrance 1st, 3rd, 5th Sunday in San Fernando Valley annual Ball Regency on Second Saturdays in West Los Angeles Berkeley - 2nd and 4th Wednesdays, 4th Saturdays (experienced) San Francisco - 2nd Saturdays Playford Ball in March (held in Oakland) Palo Alto - 1st and 3d Fridays (plus Regency on 2nd Fridays) San Jose - 1st and 3d Wednesdays Sebastopol - once a month Santa Barbara - once a month (starting april 98?) Georgia Atlanta area - once monthly. three-day weekend in the fall Illinois Champaign-Urbana - monthly dance Playford Ball in June Christmas Ball in December. Chicago - rumored to have a regular dance series Maryland Baltimore - every monday at Lovely Lane Church see also Washington DC area Massachussets Boston - every Wednesday (in Cambridge Sep to Jun) 1st fridays (Brookline, experienced, Sep through Jun) Playford Ball in March S. Weymouth - weekly dance Falmouth - 5th Saturday Michigan Ann Arbor - alternate Tuesdays and on 4th Saturdays also some mixed English/contra events. Kalamazoo (Oshtemo, just west of Kalamazoo) - 3rd Wednesdays. Bay City area - rumor of an irregularly scheduled dance Missouri St. Louis - 2nd & 4th Mondays Playford Ball in May Holiday Grand Dance in early December. New Jersey Princeton - occasional wednesday nights, Titusville - 1st friday of every month Wayne - 2nd & 4th Sunday afternoons New York Manhattan: Weekly Tuesday dances Friday dances average 1 every 2 months. once-a-month on Saturdays to start in fall 98 yearly Ball and other events Westchester - weekly (Thurs) monthly experienced yearly Ball Wayne - monthly or bi-monthly? Hudson Valley - rumored to have dances White Plains - Weekly Thursday dances, except last week of month: Friday party Smithtown - apparently has once-a-month in January-April & October-November East Greenbush - 1st Sunday afternoons [Oct. thru May] Albany - 3rd Fridays [Oct. thru May] Stockport - 3rd Saturdays [May thru Oct.] Woodstock - 2nd Fridays North Carolina Durham - Every Thursday evening New Year's Eve dance spring dance on a Saturday evening, usually in May. Ohio Columbus - 1st, 3rd, 5th Sundays at St. Stephen's Church Pennsylvania Harrisburg - 2nd Saturdays Philadelphia - every wednesday at merion friends meeting, Narberth 1st saturdays in the fall/winter/spring at summit church Utah Salt Lake City - first and third Thursdays. Vermont: Burlington - twice a month (Friday evenings) from Septmber to May, White River Junction monthly dance starting in January, on sunday afternoons Strafford Playford Ball in October Brattleboro Playford Ball the Saturday before Thanksgiving Virginia see also Washington DC area Washington, DC area - Every Wednesday at Glen Echo Town Hall 2nd and 4th Tuesdays in Herndon, VA 2nd and 4th Saturdays in Silver Spring, MD Wisconsin Madison - rumored to have a regular dance ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 14:19:29 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 17:16:12 -0500 From: Martin.Fager-AT- bowne.com (Martin Fager) Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re[2]: touchy feely To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU, Eric Arnold Message-ID: <000A1FE4.1618-AT- bowne.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eric, You'll have to excuse Steve's ramblings. He actually lives in one of those quiet leafy suburbs north of NYC, but every time he comes to town, he leaves with a renewed bout of post-traumatic stress disorder. Just can't handle the Big Apple. Fortunately he doesn't come to our dances very often. In fact, last time he came to one he was wearing some sort of uniform and brandishing a sword, shouting and muttering some strange stuff. The only words I could make out were "New World Sword!" Sounds like one of those death cults to me. He does come to our Playford Ball, but we frisk him for weapons at the door. Scary guy. Marty Fager P.S. - If you're dancing Star Of David in the same set with him, DON'T EVEN THINK of tapping HIM on the shoulder! ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: touchy feely Author: Eric Arnold at Internet-Express Date: 3/4/98 11:07 AM On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, Stephen D Corrsin wrote: [snip] > So perhaps the New York version might include knocking the other couple > down and trampling them into the floor. Or shouting into their ears, "Hey > Jerks! Wakey wakey, nap time's over." Or even automatic weapons fire might > do the trick. (Preferably just a few warning shots into the crowd.) Or > turning the boom box which one has strapped to one's > shoulder on, top volume, to a rap station. > > Well, it's an idea. > > Steve Corrsin As a midwesterner who used to wonder why *anyone* would want to go to New York, but who now has driven there to dance with wonderful people more times than he can easily remember, I protest that this is blatantly unfair to the New York English Country Dance community, whose hospitality and friendliness more than make up for the more publicized aspects of the Big City. The dance community there, at least, is entitled to be much kinder to itself! Eric Arnold Ann Arbor (one of the suburbs a bit past the Hudson, somewhat before the Mississippi...) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 14:46:59 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 17:48:56 +0000 From: Mary E Jones Subject: Re: Where are the ECD hotbeds in US? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <34FD9408.52FD-AT- javanet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <01IU6A4Z6A2M9AO1EW-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> <34FDB15B.5F71-AT- trw.com> giovanni de amici wrote: > > Hallo. > I compiled this summary of "ECD's hotbeds in the continental USA" from information > recently collected from the ECD mailing list. Entries are arranged alphabetically by state. It seems as if each of us in the Amherst Area ECD are waiting for the other to add our dances... Massachusetts: North Hadley - every Monday South Amherst - 1st and 3rd Saturdays South Amherst - 3rd Sunday afternoon in October & 1st Sunday afternoon in February: Advanced Dance for Experienced Dancers The compilation is great...thanks to everyone who has done all this work! Mary Jones Amherst, MA ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 15:46:20 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 18:46:26 -0500 From: mls-AT- panix.com (Michael Siemon) Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re[2]: touchy feely To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU, Eric Arnold Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 5:16 PM 3/4/98, Martin Fager wrote: > Eric, > > You'll have to excuse Steve's ramblings. ... > In fact, last time he came to one he was wearing some sort > of uniform and brandishing a sword, shouting and muttering some strange > stuff. The only words I could make out were "New World Sword!" Sounds > like one of those death cults to me. Hey! Stephen is a pussy-cat, as long as you join the Death Cult and brandish a sword as well (just not *too* close to his nose, please!) And he has a neat new book (available from CDSS) on _Sword Dancing in Europe_ (rush right out and order it, y'hear?) This is also a shameless plug for others in the Great [sic] New York area who want to try a go at sword dancing to join us at open rehearsals for the next two practices (2nd & 4th Mondays, i.e. 3/9 and 3/23). Write for details! ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 16:12:30 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 19:11:48 -0500 (EST) From: MartinezPC Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Re[2]: touchy feely To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <8bb176ce.34fdedc8-AT- aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-03-04 17:22:41 EST, Marty Fager writes: " You'll have to excuse Steve's ramblings. He actually lives in one of those quiet leafy suburbs north of NYC, but every time he comes to town, he leaves with a renewed bout of post-traumatic stress disorder...... He does come to our Playford Ball, but we frisk him for weapons at the door. Scary guy." He also comes to occasional Westchester parties in the company of an adorable little daughter who I hope will be one of the next generation of ECDers. (Hi, Steve! I'll identify myself at the next party, but not, I promise, by tapping you on the shoulder!) Carol Martinez White Plains, N.Y. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 16:36:42 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 12:17:19 -1000 From: "Yona B. & Alvin Keali'i Chock" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Reminder - Digest format To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <34FDD2EE.1EB90FFE-AT- worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <01IU6B05JJTG9AO1EW-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> Thanks very much for your informative message on the archives, as well as this Digest format message, which we've elected. We belong to CDSS, so were aware of their publication sales. Thanks also for undertaking this list! Aloha, Yona & Al Chock Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote: > Folks -- > > There' s been a lot of traffic on the ECD list lately, which I always find > gratifying. > > However, some people can't deal with having a lot of mail messages popping up > all day. > > If you are one of those people, and would rather get a single message that > combines all the traffic, you can do it with the DIGEST option. > > (A digest goes out whenever there've been a fair number of messages (but no > more than daily), or every few days, whichever goes first. They've been daily, > lately.) > > If you want to get the DIGEST, follow these instructions: > > Send a message to ECD-REQUEST-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu > > Leave the subject line blank, and, starting on the first line of the message > body, put > > SET DIGEST > > You should get an automated email acknowledgment of your change. If you don't, > and can't figure out why, you can email me, winston-AT- slac.stanford.edu, > preferably forwarding whatever you do get back -- if the robot refuses to do > it, it usually has error codes that let me understand why. > > If you change your mind and want to go back to individual messages, send to > the ECD-REQUEST address with the message body > > SET NODIGEST > > When replying to a message in the digest, remember to change the subject line > of your reply from ECD-DIGEST #whatever to match the subject of the message > you're responding to. This will, in addition to minimizing confusion, allow > your reply to be found with the rest of the thread in the archive. > > -- Alan > > =============================================================================== > Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU > Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 > Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA 94309-0210 > =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 17:01:29 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 20:01:15 -0500 (EST) From: RLHAYDEN-AT- amherst.edu Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Where are the hotbeds of ECD? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <01IUA3PH2354921ZTI-AT- amherst.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Hello, all, Yes, there did seem to be an "After you my dear Alphonse" routine going on here in Amherst. Thank you, Mary, for speaking up. (And weren't you elected to spread the news about our move to an exciting and wonderful new hall??) Putting on my other hat, as membership secretary for CDSS, I would also like to point out that CDSS has an excellent, comprehensive Directory of dances in the US, Canada, and the English and Anglo-American dancing world! The Directory is a membership benefit, but it can also be purchased from our sales department for only $7.00 (Perhaps I should have put "shameless advertising" in the subject line.) For more information, write CDSS at 132 Main St, PO Box 338, Haydenville, MA, 01039; email: sales-AT- cdss.org; or visit our website at www.cdss.org (the Directory is, alas, not yet on the Website). Robin Hayden (of Amherst, not Haydenville, who although an employee of CDSS for the past ten years has never encountered any policies dictating How English Country Dancing Should BE Done) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 19:15:12 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 19:15:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Web page update To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01IUA2ARBG4Y9AMQDZ-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII ECD Folks -- I've put more stuff on the ECD web page. (These pages are free of flashy graphics, so you shouldn't have to wait very long to look at anything.) ECD page: http://www-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu/~winston/ECD.html Additions include: A modified version of Linda Repasky's "What is ECD" article. (Gary, let me know if this is the kind of thing you're thinking of.) The latest version of my history and contra-comparison article. Giovanni's compilation of the US ECD hotbeds. (For this to be really useful, it would be great to have addresses, times, and contact info for the dances. Please mail those to me rather than to the whole list.) I've done virtually no formatting to this compilation, and I'm sure it could be prettier, but that can come later. A view of the message new ECD subscribers get automatically. This has been modified quite recently. If you forget how to unsubscribe, turn digests on or off, etc, you can look at the instructions there. Feel free to tell me about typos and small errors in fact, but I'd prefer that you do it in email to me rather than the whole list. Suggestions for additional stuff to put up on the page might usefully go to the whole list if it will spark discussion. -- Alan =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA 94309-0210 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 19:54:55 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 22:57:01 +0000 From: Mary E Jones Subject: Re: Where are the hotbeds of ECD? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <34FDDC3D.753D-AT- javanet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <01IUA3PH2354921ZTI-AT- amherst.edu> RLHAYDEN-AT- amherst.edu wrote: > (And weren't you > elected to spread the news about our move to an exciting and wonderful new > hall??) As Robin mentioned (while changing more hats than Bartholomew Cubbins), the Amherst Area English Country Dancers Monday Night ECD is moving to a new hall: Beginning March 23 and into perpetuity (we hope!), 7:45 - 10 p.m., at the North Hadley Village Hall, Route 47, North Hadley, MA Robin Hayden 413-256-8260 or Mary Jones 413-549-8159 or Joyce Crouch 413-549-4123 We do have a slight dilemma that some on this List may have already encountered; that is, should we have our celebratory bash on the first night in the new hall or should we wait until all the 'surprises' which are sure to crop up happen? What say you all? Mary Jones Amherst, MA ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 23:34:09 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 23:32:46 -0800 From: "Gary D. Shapiro" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: New ECD hotbed in Santa Barbara, CA, USA To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <01IU6A4Z6A2M9AO1EW-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> New English Country Dance (Playford+) in Santa Barbara sponsored by UCSB chapter Society for Creative Anachronism (we will NOT be restricted to SCA-style Playford dancing). When: Tuesday, March 10, 17, 24, 7 to 9+ p.m. Where: University of California, Santa Barbara, Arts room 1245 Music: ?? Teaching: March 10, Richard Payatt; beyond that TBD Price: free Schedule beyond March 24 TBD. -- Gary D. Shapiro (pronounced "Gary Yes!") Life is uncertain. Dance whenever possible. Dessert can wait. Or, if you must, eat dessert on your way to the dance. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 23:52:08 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 23:51:29 -0800 (PST) From: bestockp-AT- oz.net Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: slow dances To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >At 01:46 PM 2/27/98 -0500, Carl Friedman wrote: >> > >>Reminds me of one of my LEAST favorites.... >>Please, someone explain to me what you see in The Old Mill??? Especially done >>at the snail's pace ("stately tempo") at which it has been done every time I >>have suffered through it. (snip) > >I bet Vicky Bestock could say some good stuff re carriage & slow movement >here. Vicky? > >Sharon Green [who sees *all* sorts of stuff in The Old Mill] First of all, I agree that Old Mill is a gorgeous dance, and lots of fun to flirt in! There is a lot to love in the dance pattern, and the tune is very beautiful. Its possible that Carl's band did overdo the leisurely quality of the dance, making it very difficult to dance it well, and causing him to dislike the dance. But here on the west coast, people tend to take the speed up TOO much to compensate for the dancer's difficulty in making the dance flow, and I think we've lost some of the magic and romanticism of these elegant dances. So I'm inclined to meet Sharon's challenge and to try to analyze what it is that goes into dancing well when dancing slowly. Some of it just takes thinking about long lines instead of beats and measures. Some of it takes muscle power. Some people dance well by getting a picutre in their head of what they want to look like. Watch Jackie Schwab sweeping down the hall, and picutre yourself moving with those long strides, and you can just do it. Picture floating through Old Mill, smoothly connecting the steps, light on your feet, and try to match the image in your mind. Most people learn dance without being aware of what they are learning or how they know it. So I'm not sure that analyzing what people do to dance slowly is going to help most people. They should really watch someone who can do it, and move along with them. But here's a try, anyway. I think that people who complain about dances being too slow, are good dancers who may be doing one of two things; either they care a lot about being on the beat, so they tend to land on a step from the top down so they are firmly on balance and can wait for the next beat without falling forward too soon. This keeps them in time, but gives a plodding feeling to the dance. Or because they are good dancers who care about keeping the movment flowing from the beginning to the end of the phrase, they will maintain the sense of going onward by pitching forward from the ankles the way they do in faster dances, and they are forced to take the next step ahead of the beat. I say they are good dancers, because they have good taste about how dancing should feel, but are lacking in technique and control to make it work for them, so they dislike the slow dances that make them feel that they aren't dancing well. Bad dancers don't tend to notice that there is a problem-- they are content to be off the music or to clump down on each step and wait. Part of the trick is finding the right amount of forward lean in order to land on the next beat on time-- its obviously much less in a slow dance because you don't want to get there too soon. Having good posture (what Sharon called carriage) helps in staying controlled so you don't fall forward too soon. But there are some more things that help in avoiding plod once the tempo is adjusted. One thing I do to keep the sense of momentum at a slower tempo is to move further. I find it very difficult to take tiny, slow steps and make them connect into phrases-- the slower I go, the more I like to sweep ahead, filling more space with the extra time. In other words,instead of moving more slowly, I move at the same rate and move further with each step to take up the extra time. This gives a nice feeling of flow, and helps deemphasize the beat. Next, I try to keep my head and torso moving at a constant rate so an onlooker couldn't tell when I was stepping. Emphasizing the step by stopping on it or even slowing on it creates the heavy, plodding feeling people don't like in slow dances. Sometimes if the tempo feels too slow, the problem is that the hall is too crowded, forcing people to either plod or wait, because they cannot take the long steps they want to to fill the music. Slow, yummy dances just don't feel good when you have to take teeny steps-- you need a lot of room to dance them well. Slow dances in 3/4or 3/2 time may actually have 50% more steps for each move-- 12 steps on a back-to-back instead of the usual 8. Needs room to feel good! Something else I figured out that I was doing to control and slow movement was using the muscles of my feet. I've danced all my life,it was so automatic to use strength to move slowly that I didn't know I was doing it until two years ago, when I broke my foot and sprained the long arch. I just couldn't use my feet the way I was used to -- any attempt to use the arch muscles hurt too much and the muscles were too weak to support my weight. I HAD to drop onto the whole foot at once and it created-- plod! Clump! I felt heavy and awkward, as though I still had the cast on the foot. I could dance fast, creating an ilusion of lift by bouncing in my knees instead of my feet, but I could not dance slowly with connection and smoothness until my arch started to get strong again. Try an experiment. Take off your shoes. Stand on one foot. Rise onto the ball of the foot very gradually taking four counts to go up and another four to go down. Do a few sets on each foot. If you can do this, try walking across the room, taking four counts on each step, and filling the time by rolling through the arch. When you get to the end of your normal stride, push with your toes, and propel yourself another 6-8 inches forward stretching between your legs (don't go up, go forward with your head at the same height throughout the step.) Try to make your body travel at the same rate throughout the step as though you were on wheels-- you want to deemphasize the individual step by moving steadily through it toward the end of the phrase-- otherwise you wind up with plod. If you've been taking four counts per step and keeping your upper body moving at the same rate of speed, you are now dancing slower than any English dance will ever require. It takes a LOT of strength. For the Old Mill you will need to be able to take 96 of these steos at whatever pace your band chooses during the round when you are active. Think of the phrases in arcs, and move from the beginning cast through the whole A until you arrive back home settling down after a long-armed, sweeping hand-turn. Earlobes upright, weight poised over your feet, imagine yourslef, not on feet that need steps, but on the conveyor belt at the airport, rolling smoothly and effortless ly along without accents from the beginning to the end of the phrase. Zen and the art of English dancing. Oh, and fall in love with the tune! Maybe also with someone in your set. Vicky Bestock, who likes the slow dances to be leisurely to contrast with the zing of the lively ones. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 00:27:23 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 00:26:20 -0800 From: "Gary D. Shapiro" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: ECD/Playford dance for contra crowd To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As posted separately, we're jump-starting ECD in Santa Barbara. In my other life as a contra dance caller, I have the opportunity to thrust= the occasional non-contra dance at the crowd. I would like to thrust a Playford-type dance at them, one that would get= them to say, "Hmmm, this is good. I should check out this new English dance= tomorrow night." I did teach Bare Necessities several weeks ago and it= went over well I think. Part of me wants to give them a very lively dance. Another part of me would= give them something more (stereo?)typical. In some superior parallel= universe, I would call every week (and still get to dance on another night)= and give them a different "feel" each week. I am open to suggestions. -- Gary D. Shapiro (pronounced "Gary Yes!") Life is uncertain. Dance whenever possible. Dessert can wait. Or, if you must, eat dessert on your way to the dance. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 08:58:36 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 11:58:42 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Arnold Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD/Playford dance for contra crowd To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 5 Mar 1998, Gary D. Shapiro wrote: > As posted separately, we're jump-starting ECD in Santa Barbara. > > In my other life as a contra dance caller, I have the opportunity to > thrust the occasional non-contra dance at the crowd. [snip] > I am open to suggestions. I am in a somewhat similar situation -- we have a fairly large and active contra community, and I am looking for ways to bring ECD to their attention, in ways that I hope will be attractive to some of them. However, I don't want to give them the impression that ECD is essentially the same as contra. I do want similarities to be evident, so that it doesn't appear to require learning everything from start, but I want differences to be evident, too, and ones which give a fair representation of the differences between ECD and contra. I'm not trying to entice _all_ of the contra dancers, but I do want to intrigue those for whom these differences are appealing or welcome. In that direction, I look for dances that have some unusual figures from conventional formations, such as Trip to Paris or Dublin Bay or Barbarini's Tambourine, or dances in different formations which don't stretch the figure boundaries too much at the same time -- Shropshire Lasses & Byron's Boutade come to mind -- or dances that are done to tunes _very_ different from typical contra tunes -- Round about our Coal Fire, Hole in the Wall, The Bonny Cuckoo -- some of these also have distinctive figures and formations. I like to try to bring out the variety present in the music as well as the dance, and also the music/dance reationship. I like to present lively, bouncy dances as well as slower, more stately ones. Some traditional dances, such as Nottingham Swing, Speed the Plough, Foula Reel can introduce another dimension, as can a _brief_ mention of the position in the history of ECD. Exposing all these dimensions to them, without overwhelming them with it, is the goal; those who are looking for something more than they are finding at the contradances may find something among one or another of these aspects of ECD. You might observe that much of the recent evolution of contradances in the past few decades has come from importing things from ECD (things which pass through the contradance filter...). Commenting on the geometrical aspect, particularly if a dance happens to go well and look stunning from the caller's viewpoint, might help to bring this aspect to their attention, too. It's important, too, to recognise that not all of them will find this as appealing as you do, and that's all right -- so you don't want deliberately to mis-represent ECD to try to get more folks to try it who might not otherwise. If you do, you are likely either to lose them again promptly or to have a body of dancers who want the dances to be more like contras. At least, that's what I think... Eric Arnold Ann Arbor ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 10:19:59 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 13:19:34 -0500 (EST) From: CF1125 Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD/Playford dance for contra crowd To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <85a081ea.34feecb8-AT- aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/5/98 8:28:11 AM, you wrote: <> May I suggest: Jack's Health, Trip to Paris, Faithless Nancy Dawson, and Dublin Bay. I think a group of experienced contra dancers will be able to learn any of these quickly and will like them. Carl Friedman ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 10:36:45 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 13:36:16 -0500 (EST) From: CF1125 Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: slow dances To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3c79edf6.34fef0a2-AT- aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/5/98 7:52:58 AM, Vicky Bestock wrote: <> Can't argue with any of that, but I would add that there is clearly a range of appropriate tempi for any given dance, outside of which nearly everyone would agree that the dance is too slow or fast, and within which different dancers may have reasonable but differing opinions as to what is too fast or slow, unrelated to their personal ability to dance well at a give tempo. As an example: I had always thought that Sun Assembly was a dorky dance, until I did it at Pinewoods at a much slower pace that has generally been done here in Baltimore, and I have loved the dance ever since, always trying to get it to be done a bit slower than other local folks seem to prefer. (The opening phrase also needs - for me - to be played with a slow appogiatura, as printed in "The Playford Ball" book, rather than the fast grace notes as Peter Barnes has it. But that's a different issue.) Similarly, I have never liked The Old Mill - for a variety of reasons, including memories of someone who was in my set the first time I did it - but have wondered if it might not be more fun done faster. But not just faster than in Baltimore - it was done at similar pace at Pinewoods and in Washington. Carl Friedman ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 11:11:10 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Return-Path: jkonvalinka-AT- classic.msn.com Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 19:02:24 +0000 (UT) From: John Konvalinka Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: Where are the ECD hotbeds in US? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: And don't forget Cape Cod! Usually 2nd and 4th Friday Evenings -- Unitarian Church in Barnstable For details contact Francis and Marjorie Worrell (508) 362-9570 John and Carol ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 12:43:21 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 15:27:00 -0500 From: Anne Marie Edden Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: The Old Mill To: ecd-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT One might say that The Old Mill is the reason that I am an English country dancer, although I like to think that I would have found my way to it no matter what. Summer of 1993 found me at Pinewoods Camp, Family week as a Morris and Contra Dancer. Helene Cornelius was teaching English in the afternoons, I thought I would try it. The Old Mill was taught over the course of the week. I can still remember the faces of the people in my set, the afternoon light in C#, the sweeping movements. We as a class all fell in love with the dance (we tried to talk Helene into using it for the Demo), and I fell in love with English Dancing. I came home and sought out CDNY's English dance. I have had many sublime ECD moments since then but that was my first, the one that hooked me. The dance does not get called very often in NY, so I have not danced it since than. Clearly it is among those that get strong but mixed reactions. Annie Edden ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 12:46:36 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 15:42:55 -0500 From: "Hanny D. Budnick" <74031.77-AT- compuserve.com> Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: ECD Digest V1 #341 To: Blind.Copy.Receiver-AT- compuserve.com Message-ID: <199803051546_MC2-35A7-98A4-AT- compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gary - there are some EC dances which are easily understood by contra dancers, Childgrove comes to mind. Longways duple minors, improper is the formula the contra dancers are familiar with. New to them are the set dances - so you can introduce them to Heartsease, Hey Boys (2 couples), Upon a Summer's Day, Trip to Orpington (3 couples), Hunsdon House, Oranges and Lemons (4 couples). If that is too tame: Cumberland Square Eight, Nottingham Swing, Danish Double Quadrille, Morpeth Rant and any number of mixers in the traditional (ceili) vein... Hanny ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 16:26:26 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 16:25:55 -0800 (PST) From: bestockp-AT- oz.net Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: slow dances To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Carl Friedman says > >(snip) I would add that there is clearly a range of >appropriate tempi for any given dance, outside of which nearly everyone would >agree that the dance is too slow or fast, and within which different dancers >may have reasonable but differing opinions as to what is too fast or slow, >unrelated to their personal ability to dance well at a give tempo. I agree entirely. Some of the impression of a dance being too fast or too slow is based on our own aesthetic sensibilities. I don't like racing through Well Hall and New Beginning, even though I am quite capable of dancing them fast-- in fact they are easier fast. I just LIKE them slower. I am willing to concede that people who can dance Old Mill slowly may still not like it that slow, or may just plain not like the dance-- this whole thread has been very interesting in that we keep finding that a dance which is someone's most hated, is defended and adored by others. I know that our Seattle tempi tend to the fast side, and am willing to agree that I might enjoy the dance more than you do partly because I get to dance it faster than you do. And also because I've always had lovely people in my set to flirt with, and haven't had the negative associations with the dance that you do. (Now Lillibullero, on the other hand....!) (snip) The opening >phrase (of Sun Assembly) also needs - for me - to be played with a slow >appogiatura, as printed >in "The Playford Ball" book, rather than the fast grace notes as Peter Barnes >has it. But that's a different issue.) The music was WRITTEN with grace notes , which in that period meant it was intended to be PLAYED as appogiaturas! Musicians of the time would have known what to do, but contemporary musicians looking at a grace note would play it before the beat instead of on the beat as intended. The The Playford Ball book doesn't change a thing about the SOUND of the music-- it merely modernizes the notation so that contemporary musicians know how to play the passage correctly. Vicky Bestock ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 17:35:13 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 17:34:44 -0800 (PST) From: Margherita Davis Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD/Playford dance for contra crowd To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <19980306013445.4196.qmail-AT- hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Gary D. Shapiro wrote: >.....I would like to thrust a Playford-type dance at them, one >that would get them to say, "Hmmm, this is good. I should check out >this new English dance tomorrow night." ....I am open to suggestions. A number of fine suggestions have been made, and you should be able to work with them. One suggestion I might make is that you run through the tune first with your musicians to make sure that they convey the intended musical sense of the dance. I have had the unfortunate experience of contra musicians playing for English with the result that it sounded more like contras. Margherita ******************************************************** Margherita Modica Davis NYC: (212) 724-1707 margheritad-AT- hotmail.com Upstate: (518) 828-6181 mandgdavis-AT- earthlink.com mmodica-AT- obgyn.amc.edu ******************************************************** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 18:33:50 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 21:33:22 -0500 (EST) From: CF1125 Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Sun Assemby's "grace notes" To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <1efc07f2.34ff6076-AT- aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/5/98 7:30:31 PM, Vicky Bestock wrote (quoting me): << The opening >phrase (of Sun Assembly) also needs - for me - to be played with a slow >appogiatura, as printed >in "The Playford Ball" book, rather than the fast grace notes as Peter Barnes >has it. But that's a different issue.) The music was WRITTEN with grace notes , which in that period meant it was intended to be PLAYED as appogiaturas! Musicians of the time would have known what to do, but contemporary musicians looking at a grace note would play it before the beat instead of on the beat as intended. The The Playford Ball book doesn't change a thing about the SOUND of the music-- it merely modernizes the notation so that contemporary musicians know how to play the passage correctly.>> I think this is another case in which, despite appearances, we agree nearly 100%. I was referring to how it is played by citing the difference in the way these two sources have it written. To clarify, Peter has it written with grace-note size notes with slashes through them, which modern musicians will interpret as "before-the-beat" grace notes. And that is how most musicians around here (Baltimore) play the opening of Sun Assembly. It has always been my understanding that, in fact, this would be the correct interpretation even for 18th century music (Peter dates Sun Assembly as "c. 1750") and that if a little note is intended as an on-the-beat slow appogiatura, it is written without the slash. I have no doubt, however, that in 1750, music publishers were less than consistent about the matter, and that - as today - musicians did precisely as they pleased. Incidentally, I have heard two different recordings of the same Mozart string quartet in which the same appogiatura question was answered in both ways by different professional musicians, so I am confident only of the ambiguity of the issue. But to me, played with before-the-beat grace notes, Sun Assembly sounds like a certain old Colt 45 Malt Liquor commercial, and has none of the flow and grace I see in the tune and the dance. So... a plea to musicians: try Sun Assembly with slow appogiaturas, and play it smoothly and maybe a little slower. Thanks. Carl Friedman ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 19:41:01 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 19:41:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: More webulation - check out the calendar To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01IUBHN3S0029AMQDZ-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Folks -- I spent some time HTMLizing Giovanni's latest version of the calendar, hopefully making it a bit more useful than the plain text version. Check it out, either by going through the ECD home page http://www-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu/~winston/ECD.html or more directly as http://www-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu/~winston/ecd/hotbeds.html and let me know if you have corrections or suggestions. -- Alan =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056 Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA 94309-0210 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 20:55:58 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 23:55:31 -0500 (EST) From: JohnBerni Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: LIST To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From Ramsay in St. Louis, FYI-- This message entitled LIST had no contents on my screen. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 21:01:52 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 23:04:20 -0600 From: Mike Mudrey Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Where are the ECD hotbeds in US? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199803060501.XAA08156-AT- mail.tds.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <01IU6A4Z6A2M9AO1EW-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> Not a rumor...1st 3rd and 5th Monday check our web site: http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/mecds/home.htm mm >Wisconsin >Madison - rumored to have a regular dance > > Mike Mudrey New Glarus, Wisconsin mgmudrey-AT- madison.tds.net ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 02:45:35 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Return-Path: jkonvalinka-AT- classic.msn.com Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 10:37:51 +0000 (UT) From: John Konvalinka Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Shrewsbury Lasses To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: >Hi.. >I am reminded of last night's dance in San Jose, where we did Shrewsbury >Lasses........... >Alisa We always thought that dance was called "Other Way, Mr Collins, OTHER WAY" John and Carol (with apologies to any who hasn't seen the P&P miniseries!) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 04:15:26 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 07:13:15 -0500 From: rherman-AT- igc.org (L. Russell Herman, Jr.) Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Winter Solsitce tune To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks to those of you on the list who helped me find instructions and music for Wendy Crouch's Winter Solstice recently. I taught it for the first time last night and it was a big hit. We used the original tune by David Dean (_English Dance and Song_, vol. 58, no. 3, autumn 1996) and liked it. I understand many others use the tune Early One Morning. The band reported that Winter Solstice is a challenge to play. It jams half a dozen eigth notes in almost every measure and has octave-long jumps. Afterward, our recorder player said, "Whew! Don't give us this at the end of the night when we're tired." Is the difficulty of playing WS the reason some use the more pedestrian- looking EOM? Or are there other reasons? I first (and only, so far) danced Winter Solstice at Amherst Assembly in 1996 with Colin Hume calling. (Thanks, Colin!) As my favorite dancing partner and I walked up to the hall, someone (Mary?) was at the door urging, "Hurry! We need another couple!" We barely got our shoes changed in time to jump into center position. It was also our first time dancing to Colin's distinctive calling. Exhilirating! As you may imagine, the dance made a strong impression on me. Many thanks to all who were part of that. Does anyone remember which tune we danced to that night? With gratitude that we humans create such pleasures for each other, -- Russell --------------------------------------------------------------------- L. Russell Herman, Jr. Raleigh, North Carolina, USA --------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 07:34:01 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 10:33:30 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Praetzel Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD/Playford dance for contra crowd To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199803061533.KAA04819-AT- sca.UWaterloo.CA> Content-Type: text > I am in a somewhat similar situation -- we have a fairly large and active > contra community, and I am looking for ways to bring ECD to their > attention, in ways that I hope will be attractive to some of them. Things that come to mind when ECD is mentioned: 1) Skipping. Arggggggg. That is the result of one person being stuck with only Sharp's work. 2) ECD really misses the fun bits of contra; swings, gypsies 3) I consider tripple minors to be ECD since they are late Playford instead of modern. Tripple minors are a great challenge. I've only ever seen some nice ones pulled off well by a square dance caller I know. Most were so tough that getting all 3 different figures was really hard; but _fun_!! 4) 3/4 time waltz dances. Yea; that aforementioned ECD group does waayyyyy to many 3/4 time lilting contra line dances. It gets to my knees; it gets to my ankles; it turns my brain to mush. Bring up the tempo; give me the dance floor and I'll waltz; but gawd how I hate plodding around. 5) I see ECD dances as more challenging. there was a great class I took at War that was called "and you thought English Country was easy". Funny how it goes when you start alternating between 2 chorii or not even having a chorus or start dropping mirroring/alternating sides etc. I am curious to see what EC could become. Inside of the SCA we do not teach the basic figures so it is impossible to have a dance simply by calling the figures. It should work; but EC will have a lot more variation than contra. In fact one of the things that many people hate about squares is the fact that they don't reapeat and repeat and repeat and repeat; ie callers pride themselves on adding flourishes between bodies, or by changing the chorus. That is what I like about squares. You don't have the luxoury of concentrating on your partner(s) as much; but it does offer something in its own. - Eric ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 08:42:37 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 10:39:35 -0600 (CST) From: FORBES-AT- GEORGE.BAKERU.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD/Playford dance for contra crowd To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <980306103935.1b19-AT- GEORGE.BAKERU.EDU> Probably the wrong list to mention this, but where does the push come for contra repetitions that go way beyond the point of (my) aesthetic return? (Speaking only for myself) Forbes and Running ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 10:22:15 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 13:22:19 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Arnold Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD/Playford dance for contra crowd To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Eric Praetzel wrote: [snip] > Things that come to mind when ECD is mentioned: > > 1) Skipping. Arggggggg. That is the result of one person being stuck with > only Sharp's work. Do you like polkas? Try the double step (like skipchange). > > 2) ECD really misses the fun bits of contra; swings, gypsies Where do you thing contras got gypsies? > > 3) I consider tripple minors to be ECD since they are late Playford instead > of modern. Tripple minors are a great challenge. I've only ever seen > some nice ones pulled off well by a square dance caller I know. Most > were so tough that getting all 3 different figures was really hard; but > _fun_!! Most early contras, I believe, were triple minor. A few are still danced occasionally; Sackett's Harbor is perhaps the most frequently encountered one around here. > 4) 3/4 time waltz dances. Yea; that aforementioned ECD group does waayyyyy > to many 3/4 time lilting contra line dances. It gets to my knees; it gets > to my ankles; it turns my brain to mush. Bring up the tempo; give me the > dance floor and I'll waltz; but gawd how I hate plodding around. Many triple-rhythm ECD tunes are not waltzes, and call for a much smoother motion than the typical waltz motion suggests. But as Vicky says, dancing slowly does require a lot of strength, and is harder than dancing fast. > 5) I see ECD dances as more challenging. I do, too. Which I think makes it more fun. But you need to be ready for the challenge in order for it to be fun, and not everyone wants that. Eric Arnold Ann Arbor ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 11:03:39 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 11:03:09 -0800 (PST) From: bestockp-AT- oz.net Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re:Seattle's dances for the Website To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Seattle English Dance Calendar for the Hotbed Website and list: First, Third and Fifth Fridays of each month Sept-June at the University Friends Center . Beginners Workshop at 7:30, dance 8-10:30. ALL DANCES ARE FRAGRANCE-FREE. First Friday: one or two of the following callers: Vicky Bestock, Russell Owen, Judi Rivkin, Mike Richardson, Laura Me Smith. Music by the Cast-Offs, Excuse Me, Quite Carried Away or various other English dance musicians. Contact Paul or Vicky Bestock phone 206-329-7289 e-mail bestockp-AT- oz.net for more info. Third Friday: Laurie Andres caller, Limeyland band (Liz Dreisbach, Derek Booth, Laurie Andres, Claude Ginsberg) contact Laurie Andres for more info. Fifth Friday: same group as first Friday sharing calling and music. Annual English Country Ball in January. Register with Paul Bestock. pre-ball classes Tuesday nights in the fall at the University Friends Center. Two 6-week sessions. Judi Rivkin caller, various musicians. Cascadia Occasional English Dance Weekend. Magnolia Community Center. May 8-10. Workshops Sat and Sun., dances Friday and Sat. night. This year's callers will be Bruce Hamilton and Irfona Larkin. Register with Paul Bestock. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 14:47:19 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 17:47:02 -0500 From: Benjamin Stein Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD/Playford dance for contra crowd To: "INTERNET:ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.Stanford.EDU" Message-ID: <199803061747_MC2-35D6-C85A-AT- compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Some comments on Eric's note: I may be dating myself but I am a 75 year o= ld dancer who has danced Contra dances and English Country Dances since the early 1940's and Scottish since the early '70's. Numbers are from Eric's= note. 2. Just remember that "gypsies" came from ECD. the gypsy is NOT (yes= I am shouting) a traditional contra figure. 3. Triple minors "only" late Playford? How about Moneymusk, Sackett'= s Harbor, Ways of the World, the early version of Chorus Jig, etc. Traditional 19th century and 20th century Contras before the "revival" of= the sixties were loaded with triple minors. I contnually regret not only the change of tempo, but the simplification that has occurred in Contra dancing in the virtual abandonment of triple minors. 4. Waltz time dances need not "plod". I would agree that there may b= e to many of them but the best of them are elegant and don't work otherwise= =2E I was recently introduced to Patrick's waltz and it is a great dance. As = a Scottish Country Dancers as well as an English Country Dancer I was tempt= ed to re-interpret it as a Strathspey and immediately realized that the setting in diagaonal lines would just not work in other than3/4 time. Ben Stein Burlington Vt USA Dancers-AT- Compuserve.Com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 12:13:37 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 15:13:42 -0500 (EST) From: Will Linden Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: New ECD hotbed in Santa Barbara, CA, USA To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, Gary D. Shapiro wrote: > New English Country Dance (Playford+) in Santa Barbara sponsored by >UCSB chapter Society for Creative Anachronism ( >we will NOT be restricted to SCA-style Playford dancing). And just WHAT is "SCA-style"? I have been around long enough to be under "Gay's influence"..... some parties in certain institutions which shall remain nameless to protect the innocent (i.e., me) seem given to a highly selective "authenticism".... and others derive their versions from Ghod knows where. Which of these constitutes THE "SCA style"? Alfgar (call me "Baron", jobbernowl!) the Sententious Will Linden wlinden-AT- panix.com http://www.panix.com/~wlinden/ Magic Code: MAS/GD S++ W++ N+ PWM++ Ds/r+ A-> a++ C+ G- QO++ 666 Y ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 08:46:37 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:46:39 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Arnold Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: The Old Mill revisited To: ECD Mailing List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A question has arisen in connection with the number of steps per bar in "The Old Mill", so since a number of ECDMLers seem to have experience with and opinions about this dance, I'd like to know how many steps per measure people use. I don't remember ever having done it with other than three, but some others were familiar with doing it with 6 steps per bar. What does the rest of the ECD world do? N.B. In Tom Cook's booklet "Hunter's Moon", which as far as I know is the original published source for this dance with this tune, a metronome marking of half note = 80 per minute is given. Eric Arnold Ann Arbor ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 06:30:29 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:28:54 -0500 From: Joyce Crouch Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Winter Solsitce tune To: "INTERNET:ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.Stanford.EDU" Message-ID: <199803110929_MC2-3653-57E9-AT- compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Russell Herman wrote: >I first (and only, so far) danced Winter Solstice at Amherst Assembly >in 1996 with Colin Hume calling...Does anyone remember which tune we danced >to that night? Must have been the David Dean tune. I was in the band (Pleasures of the Town), and, amazingly, I've just looked for and found the pages of tunes Colin sent us for that night. = you're right, a lot of notes in that tune, but easier on some instruments= than others. I would take to heart what your recorder player said and schedule the dance early-ish. Also, I'll pass on a trade secret that you= can tell your musicians: some of us, when faced with lots of fast notes, get good at leaving out notes here and there (not always exactly the same= ones), but still keeping the essence of the tune. Wind players, especially, need to cultivate that art...they have to breathe *sometime*!= Joyce Crouch (who never has to breathe while playing the piano) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 07:08:58 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 10:08:57 -0500 From: Steven J Gold Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD/Playford dance for contra crowd To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:33 AM -0500 3/6/98, Eric Praetzel wrote: > > 2) ECD really misses the fun bits of contra; swings, gypsies > Gee, when I started contra dancing there were no gypsies -- Until the early 70's, there were no heys in contra dances either -- guess where that figure came from? :-) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 15:34:33 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 15:39:59 -0800 (PST) From: James Langdell Subject: Online Exhibition of Dance Manuals To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU CC: jamesc-AT- Eng.Sun.COM Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <199803112340.PAA22273-AT- bassclar.eng.sun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii I came across this marvel on the Library of Congress web site. It's an exhibition of dance instruction manuals, which will eventually include full scans of over 200 dance manuals. At present, the site includes scans of five manuals. http://lcweb2.loc.gov/ammem/dihtml/dihome.html There's a number of books in this catalog I'm looking forward to seeing closely. --James Langdell jamesc-AT- eng.sun.com Sun Microsystems Menlo Park, Calif. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 06:02:15 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 08:48:00 -0500 From: Anne Marie Edden Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: FWD: Pie Bill Gates...the game. 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