Archive-Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 00:54:28 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 03:55:33 -0500 From: eferguson-AT- umassd.edu (Emily L. Ferguson) Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Long Odds, Anyone? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Hi There, ECD Folks, > >I am having trouble locating the instructions for "Long Odds". Well, long out of print, I suppose, but in my trusty blue book. Long Odds A: 1s balance, R-hnd trn half way, L-hnd turn along line once & a half. (Stay facing up/down.) A; Balance on lines, R-hnd trn half, 1s L-hnd trn once & a half. B: 1s down middle, turn alone, up middle, cast off B: Full pousette clockwise (1 Man push/2Man pull) > >Another minor question - is the EFDSS store electronically connected, Not at present. In fact it's not there at all at present. It was a concession until this fall, I think, and moved out of CSH. Engl. Dance & Song says you can get a catalogue from them by mail and there are things they have for sale. Not Longs Odds, however, I suspect. The address is: Cecil Sharp House 2 Regents Park Road London NW1 7AY ENGLAND While you're at it, join. The magazine's thoroughly interesting. Gary Roodman reveiwed one of Nic Broadbridge's new CDs and Colin has a column about the way we dance here. Emily L. Ferguson - Cape Cod, Massachusetts eferguson-AT- umassd.edu Photographer, English Country Dance leader, weaver/spinner No matter which side of the fence you're on, the grass will always turn brown if you don't water it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 05:13:18 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 08:14:12 -0400 (EDT) From: "m.a.j. mckenna" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: colin's column, was Re: Long Odds, Anyone? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19971001080212.45efb5da-AT- pop.mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:55 AM 10/1/97 -0500, Emily F. wrote: The magazine's thoroughly interesting. ... Colin has a column >about the way we dance here. *This* i would like to read... :-} Colin, any chance of an electronic reprint? is it too long to post to this list? maryn =-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-= M.A.J. McKenna staff writer, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution 404.526.5987 vox 404.526.5509 fax Standard disclaimers apply. =-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-= ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 14:18:53 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 14:19:21 -0700 (PDT) From: bestockp-AT- oz.net Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Child care at Playford balls-Reply To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Peter, Childcare is also available for the Seattle Ball in January, and has been for the last few years. Vicky Bestock > I'm not going to the Baltimore Ball, alas, or the Richmond > Ball because there are no baby-sitting arrangements for > out-of-town people with young children in tow. > > Parents... the Portland Ball is not only a *great* ball but > the committee has worked hard for it to be kid-friendly too; > I wish we could persuade other groups to take note. > > (This is a reply to sharon mckinley, but others on the list > may have thoughts on this, too) > > > Peter Fricke > The Old Rectory, Middleway > Route 1 Box 162 > Kearneysville, WV 25430 > 304-728-6400 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 14:32:14 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 14:34:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Barbara Ruth Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Chestnuts at English Week (longwinded) To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <19971001213419.20925.rocketmail-AT- web2.rocketmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Gene Murrow wrote: >Anyway, I had a good time watching people enjoying these >straightforward dances, and listening to the great music provided by >Jonathan Jensen, Toppy Kramer, and Daron Douglas (imagine!). Perhaps a >list subscriber who was there could offer a more complete and objective >view of the enterprise, if anyone is interested... I don't know if anyone else responded to Gene's suggestion, because shortly after returning from English Week, I started a new job, which entailed changing email providers - twice - and in the resulting confusion some of my email became Lost in Cyberspace. But now that those problems have been resolved, I offer my comments, with apologies for tardiness, because I found lessons in that class that I think are valuable enough to pass on. My personal opinion is that Gene's Chestnuts of 2097 Class was brillaint. I have to admit that when I first read the description I was worried that the concept might be just a bit too cutesy. Instead, what the class did for me was to make me aware in a very concrete way, of something I'd heard Gene comment on before, but had never really absorbed, his contention that English Country dancing, now, in this time period is in the midst of a creative flowering as exciting and vital, or more so, than in any other period in English dance history. I have been aware, of course, that modern dances are being written, and indeed that some of the most compellingly gorgeous dances I've encountered are of contemporary composition. My home dance, however, is restricted to historical dances, those published before 1800, and while I encounter contemporary dances at balls or out of town events, these have always been in mixed programs, usually with the new dances being in the minority. With this mixing of old and new, and the predominance among dance composers of a couple of, justly, famous individuals, I had never gotten a real grasp of the extent of composing that is going on today. Spending an hour a day for a week immersed in dances less than ten years old, brought home to me how very alive the contemporary English dance scene is. And, not to denigrate in any way the importance of Fried Herman and Colin Hume, I became aware of the _many_ people in addition to those two who are actively contributing to this vitality of the contemporary English dance repertoire. Moreover, each day as I heard Gene announce dance after dance with the statement "This dance was written by so and so . . ." with "so and so" being someone present in the company, "the tune was written by so and so," also someone present, and "it was written in honor of so and so's (choose one) birthday, anniversary, new house, bar mitzvah, etc" with the honoree also present, I got a vivid sense of the way in which English dance is a community activity. The dances and the music are written, played, called, and danced by and for members of the same freely-mingling community of people. In what other art or cultural activity is this the case? With reference back to the "F-word" discussion that went on at camp, however one wants to verbally define English dance (or dance or whatver), it seems to me that what distinguishes English and contra dancing from other types of cultural activities is this lack of separation between the producers of the art and everyone else. In every other art form there are creators and/or performers, who are perceived as a class of individuals seperate from the audience, for whom they create. Members of the former may at times participate in an audience, but they are still defined separately according to their primary role. When Steven Spielberg goes to see a movie we don't think of him as a member of the audience; we think of him as a movie-maker viewing someone else's work. Nor would we expect an average member of the audience at a film, a play, or even a folk music concert, to be able to write a script or a song, or perform any of them. Not everyone who dances also calls, composes or plays music of course, but still people flow in and out among those roles with astonishing fluidity. Tied to all of this, I have always been impressed by the astounding array of talent that is present among the "campers" as opposed to the hired staff at every dance camp I have ever attended. It occured to me that in our society the cultural belief is that talent is something that is relatively rare, restricted to a few lucky individuals, who then become professional artists or performers of some sort, and bestow their abilities on the rest of us, in return for recognition and financial remuneration. And that this is entirely false. Human beings are overflowing with creativity and talents of many kinds, and we who have found our way into the Dance Community have been lucky enough to find a place where that creativity is appreciated and nurtured in everyone. Finally, on the subject of creativity, there was such a plethora of amazing contemporary dances at English Week that my brain was too overwhelmed to remember them. However, I did manage to hold onto two particular ones, that would be a loss to humanity if they did not enter permanently into the English dance repertory. Neither, as it happens, were from Gene's class. One was from Phillipe Callens class on the dances of Tom Cook. It was called "Perpetual Motion" supposedly because you never stop moving during the dance, but in reality it's because once you start dancing it you never _want_ to stop. The motion of the dance creates a kind of blissed-out meditative state, where one could just keep going on and on forever. The other was one of Phillipe's own, a gorgeously flowing three-couple set dance called "Patrick's Waltz" done to a tune so old-fashionedly romantic it sounded like it had gilt edges. These are dances we should see again! Barbara Ruth New Haven, CT _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 04:09:34 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 05:12:52 -0400 From: Sharon A McKinley Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Chestnuts at English Week (longwinded) -Reply To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: ok, barbara (or whoever), WHAT f-word discussion? it IS too early in the morning to think clearly, but i suspect it'll be reallly obvious when you tell me... and on the babysitting problem, i was glad to read everyone's responses. i don't go to a lot of out-of-town events, and it's excellent information to put on file for the future. sharon "i only understand acronyms" mckinley, and not an official babysitter for any government agency >>> Barbara Ruth 10/1/97, 05:34pm >>> Gene Murrow wrote: >Anyway, I had a good time watching people enjoying these >straightforward dances, and listening to the great music provided by >Jonathan Jensen, Toppy Kramer, and Daron Douglas (imagine!). Perhaps a >list subscriber who was there could offer a more complete and objective >view of the enterprise, if anyone is interested... I don't know if anyone else responded to Gene's suggestion, because shortly after returning from English Week, I started a new job, which entailed changing email providers - twice - and in the resulting confusion some of my email became Lost in Cyberspace. But now that those problems have been resolved, I offer my comments, with apologies for tardiness, because I found lessons in that class that I think are valuable enough to pass on. My personal opinion is that Gene's Chestnuts of 2097 Class was brillaint. I have to admit that when I first read the description I was worried that the concept might be just a bit too cutesy. Instead, what the class did for me was to make me aware in a very concrete way, of something I'd heard Gene comment on before, but had never really absorbed, his contention that English Country dancing, now, in this time period is in the midst of a creative flowering as exciting and vital, or more so, than in any other period in English dance history. I have been aware, of course, that modern dances are being written, and indeed that some of the most compellingly gorgeous dances I've encountered are of contemporary composition. My home dance, however, is restricted to historical dances, those published before 1800, and while I encounter contemporary dances at balls or out of town events, these have always been in mixed programs, usually with the new dances being in the minority. With this mixing of old and new, and the predominance among dance composers of a couple of, justly, famous individuals, I had never gotten a real grasp of the extent of composing that is going on today. Spending an hour a day for a week immersed in dances less than ten years old, brought home to me how very alive the contemporary English dance scene is. And, not to denigrate in any way the importance of Fried Herman and Colin Hume, I became aware of the _many_ people in addition to those two who are actively contributing to this vitality of the contemporary English dance repertoire. Moreover, each day as I heard Gene announce dance after dance with the statement "This dance was written by so and so . . ." with "so and so" being someone present in the company, "the tune was written by so and so," also someone present, and "it was written in honor of so and so's (choose one) birthday, anniversary, new house, bar mitzvah, etc" with the honoree also present, I got a vivid sense of the way in which English dance is a community activity. The dances and the music are written, played, called, and danced by and for members of the same freely-mingling community of people. In what other art or cultural activity is this the case? With reference back to the "F-word" discussion that went on at camp, however one wants to verbally define English dance (or dance or whatver), it seems to me that what distinguishes English and contra dancing from other types of cultural activities is this lack of separation between the producers of the art and everyone else. In every other art form there are creators and/or performers, who are perceived as a class of individuals seperate from the audience, for whom they create. Members of the former may at times participate in an audience, but they are still defined separately according to their primary role. When Steven Spielberg goes to see a movie we don't think of him as a member of the audience; we think of him as a movie-maker viewing someone else's work. Nor would we expect an average member of the audience at a film, a play, or even a folk music concert, to be able to write a script or a song, or perform any of them. Not everyone who dances also calls, composes or plays music of course, but still people flow in and out among those roles with astonishing fluidity. Tied to all of this, I have always been impressed by the astounding array of talent that is present among the "campers" as opposed to the hired staff at every dance camp I have ever attended. It occured to me that in our society the cultural belief is that talent is something that is relatively rare, restricted to a few lucky individuals, who then become professional artists or performers of some sort, and bestow their abilities on the rest of us, in return for recognition and financial remuneration. And that this is entirely false. Human beings are overflowing with creativity and talents of many kinds, and we who have found our way into the Dance Community have been lucky enough to find a place where that creativity is appreciated and nurtured in everyone. Finally, on the subject of creativity, there was such a plethora of amazing contemporary dances at English Week that my brain was too overwhelmed to remember them. However, I did manage to hold onto two particular ones, that would be a loss to humanity if they did not enter permanently into the English dance repertory. Neither, as it happens, were from Gene's class. One was from Phillipe Callens class on the dances of Tom Cook. It was called "Perpetual Motion" supposedly because you never stop moving during the dance, but in reality it's because once you start dancing it you never _want_ to stop. The motion of the dance creates a kind of blissed-out meditative state, where one could just keep going on and on forever. The other was one of Phillipe's own, a gorgeously flowing three-couple set dance called "Patrick's Waltz" done to a tune so old-fashionedly romantic it sounded like it had gilt edges. These are dances we should see again! Barbara Ruth New Haven, CT _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 07:18:30 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 10:12:20 -0400 From: Colin Hume <100116.165-AT- compuserve.com> Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Folk sales online To: ECD Mailing List Message-ID: <199710031015_MC2-22AE-502C-AT- compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don Pettengill was asking whether The Folk Shop at Cecil Sharp House was electronically connected, and Emily Ferguson updated him with the fact that it was no longer there. As far as I know, Hobgoblin Music (who used to have the concession) are still selling Folk material, and can be contacted at post-AT- hobgoblin.co.uk, but in my opinion a better-organised Folk Sales point is Cotswold Music Society who can be found at cotswoldmusic-AT- ndirect.co.uk - they are Shane and Julia Day of Wild Thyme (one of my favourite bands) so they know what they're talking about, and I've always found them very helpful and friendly. They don't take credit cards, but if you want to pay them in American dollars you can email me about acting as a go-between, since I have banks in both countries. Maryn McKenna also asked about my article in English Dance and Song, the EFDSS magazine. Please email me if you would like a copy. But Emily is right; you should join EFDSS - and they DO accept visa and mastercard. Colin Hume - who will be in England until December 7th, then back on the States. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 14:59:49 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 14:59:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Barbara Ruth Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: F-words in discussion (was Chestnuts at English Week ) To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <19971003215911.26584.rocketmail-AT- send1.rocketmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ---Sharon A McKinley wrote: > > ok, barbara (or whoever), > WHAT f-word discussion? it IS too early in the morning to think > clearly, but i suspect it'll be really obvious when you tell me... Sorry Sharon, and anyone else who was puzzled. The f-word in question was "folk" and the discussion referred to was a scheduled part of English Week activities entitled something like "Folk and Other Four-letter Words." (Reminds me of the women's singing group called "The Motherfolkers. They bill themselves as "the most carefully pronounced name in show business.") I really wasn't trying to be mystifying. I _was_ trying to tie my comments on the nature of ECD to issues raised in that discussion that I felt were connected, while at the same time gingerly sidestepping the issue of terminology and avoid reigniting the argument over whether English Country dance is or is not "folk dance," an argument which seems to me to be one of the more pointless debates, while still managing to inflame tempers. Fair warning - that completely answers the question. Nobody needs to read any further. However, since I failed to avoid the matter and have stepped onto that boggy terrian, I am going to expound, at length, on why "Is English folk-dance?" or "What is folk-dance?" are such utterly meaningless questions, along with just about every argument about what belongs in some linguistic category, of which I have heard many in and out of academia. In fact, my opinion of the matter was formed while I was in graduate school avidly following the intense debate in biology circles over the meaning of the word "species." This was an argument that very much parallels the one over "folk," both for amount of ire that it raised, while as far as I could see, missing out on the matters that were most important. (For those who somehow missed out on this absorbing debate, I can assure you the matter is by no means settled, and it is nowhere near as simple as the one sentence definition offered in high school or basic undergraduate biology classes.) All these kinds of arguments are based on the assumption that categorical terms such as "folk-dance", or "species" have a singular, objective, definition, specifically some set of criteria which spell out what belongs in those categories. According to this assumption if we only set out a precise enough enumeration of those criteria, it will be possible to assign all phenomena into the appropriate categories. Therefore argument rages as to how we define these words. There are two problems with this. The first is that words aren't precision tools. They are slippery things, and no matter how hard we try to pin them down, they slide around and change meaning according to context, nuance, emphasis. They're elastic, able to expand to encompass new uses and then snap back into their original shape. Words are so flexible, the wonder is that we communicate as well as we do, but that is because it is in our nature as linguistic animals to absorb all the information surrounding use of a word and track it's meaning according to context, something we do so instinctively we tend to not even be aware of it. But, we don't learn words by memorizing dictionary definitions, but by hearing them used in a variety of contexts, discovering not a static meaning but rather a territorial range of a word and how it varies according to environment. In fact, words don't have any meaning at all, independent of the context in which they are used. Their meaning depends on the shared understanding of the group of speakers in which they are uttered. Thus, for instance, it's meaningless to simply ask "Is English dance folk dance?" The answer depends on the context in which the question is asked, and what kind of information the question is meant to elicit. If it's an academic discussion about the history and development of various dance forms, then it's obvious that ECD has a very different developmental history than say Eastern European circle dances, and the answer is "no." If you have occasion to explain to a foot doctor, as I did recently, that the pains in your foot occur after dancing, then I guarantee the term "folk dancing" is going to convey much clearer and more useful information to him or her about what your feet are doing, than would listing English Country dancing, contra dancing, Morris dancing, International folk dancing, rapper etc. Or using the simple term "dance." One time when I went, as a dancer, to a doctor who was a specialist in "dance-related injuries," he told me not to do any plies for a while. "Dance" obviously conveyed something very different to his mind than it did to mine. Context is everything. The other problem with defining categories of course is that even if we could come up with nice, static, clear definitions for them, real-life phenomenon don't fall neatly into them. Things in real life are messy, they slop over into each other, mix together, form hybrids, whether they are biological, or human creations. We need our terms in order to make sense of the world and communicate about it, but we shouldn't make the mistake of believing that words are the reality. They are nothing but shorthand, a set of symbols for a reality that is far too wide to be encompassed. Someone asked in a recent discussion whether "Levi Jackson Rag" is an English or a contra dance. Good question? It's a hybrid. It's both. It's neither. I've danced it at both English and contras. Does this mean something is wrong with our understanding of what "English dance" or "contra dance" means? Should we decide once and for all which category it belongs to and ban it from all other uses? No, we simply have to relax and accept that it defies our human need to categorize. Is Bob Dylan a folk singer or a rock singer? Sometimes he's been one or the other, sometimes both at the same time. Are the geographically overlapping, morphologically distinct but capable of interbreeding populations of the genus _Papio_ seperate species or all part of a "superspecies?" Don't ask. The point is then, to me, when I come across an argument such as the "Is English a folk dance" one, what I see is people mistaking the word for a reality and trying to squish real-life dynamic, ambiguous phenomena into artificially narrow categories, which themselves won't stay still anyway. The worst of it is that in the process people lose sight of what the real and interesting questions are, which is what are the attributes of some particular phenomeon, in this case English dance, that make it special, that makes us recognize it when we see it? What does it share with other related phenomena and what is distinctive to it? From that perspective, the lack of a strong dividing line between artists and audience, seemed to me to be one such distinctive attribute of ECD. It is also one shared to some extent with contra dancing, although not in precisely the same way. I may be wrong here, but I have the impression that there are fewer dances written by the contra community at large than by English dancers (I might have a more accurate sense of that if Gene were to hold a "Contra Classics of 2097" class.) I will stick my neck out further on this and say that I suspect that this sort of classless, eqalitarian participation is part of what some people perceive and intuitively define as the "folky" quality of these kinds of dances. There is a much stronger boundary between folk-singers and audiences, with a professional class of performers, but it is still a far more permeable boundary than in other types of music. I said in my previous post that even at a folk concert one wouldn't expect most of the audience to be able to write or perform songs. But I'm willing to bet that it's a much higher proportion than would be found at a rock or a classical concert. At how many rock concerts are audiences expected to sing along with the performer? Are there any other kinds of music festivals where the audience stays up all night singing or playing the same types of songs they have been listening to all day (the campfire being optional)? I think that the sense of participation and the comparative lack of distance between performers and audience are qualities that people intuit as being "folk" qualities and have as much or more to do with them defining certain activities that way, than with the presumed origin of those activities. There you go, Sharon. Aren't you glad you asked. _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 16:19:19 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 18:19:16 -0500 From: Mike or Norma Briggs Subject: Re: F-words in discussion (was Chestnuts at English Week ) To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <34357D74.BA8-AT- execpc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <19971003215911.26584.rocketmail-AT- send1.rocketmail.com> I think it was the late great Louis Armstrong, when asked what folk music is, replied "Ain't never heard no horses playing no music", or words to that effect. Similarly, I think folk dances are dances done by folks. Of course, none of the stuff any of us do in ECD, SCD, contra, Morris, or international or whatever is "folk" anymore: after a dance is collected and written down and taught to a bunch of overeducated urbanites by some trained teacher who got it from another trained teacher or a book, it's hardly "folk" in the sense that it's danced by ordinary folk, and passed on by them to other ordinary folk, without the intervention of written instructions. Mike Briggs -- ************************************************* Norma and Mike Briggs 1.608.2571600 (voice) Briggs Law Office 1.608.2571611 (fax) 1914 Monroe St Madison WI 53711-2057 USA brigglaw-AT- execpc.com ------------------------------------------------- A N E I G H B O R H O O D L A W O F F I C E ************************************************* ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 18:25:45 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 21:23:46 -0400 From: marthacd-AT- juno.com (MARTHA C DAVEY) Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: F-words in discussion (was Chestnuts at English Week ) To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <19971003.212347.3414.0.marthaCD-AT- juno.com> References: <19971003215911.26584.rocketmail-AT- send1.rocketmail.com> You guys- Just to add to the confusion. Pete Seeger has a very simple definition of folk *songs*. A song is a folk song if folk sing them. However the definition of "folk", according to Pete, is a whole 'nother thing. Martha Davey 25-14 37 ST, Astoria, NY 11103 (718)278-4389 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 23:44:17 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 23:33:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul J. Stamler" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: F-words in discussion (was Chestnuts at English Week ) To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 3 Oct 1997, Mike or Norma Briggs wrote: > I think it was the late great Louis Armstrong, when asked what folk > music is, replied "Ain't never heard no horses playing no music", or > words to that effect. It's been attributed to several people, but the general consensus is that Big Bill Broonzy said it. Louis Armstrong, on the other hand, when asked to define jazz, said, "If you have to ask, you'll never know." Peace. Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 10:33:07 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 13:34:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephen D Corrsin Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: FMJ and EFDSS To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU CC: ecd-digest-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This is in response to Colin Hume's comment that one can join EFDSS using visa or mastercard. Several years ago it was announced that Americans could use U.S. currency checks to subscribe to Folk Music Journal (this appeared in American Morris Newsletter). I accordingly did so, and got in reply a very snippy message from EFDSS saying that American money was no good there. The eds of the Journal, to their credit, apologized over the misunderstanding. (Perhaps they apologised, in fact.) This is problematic because, of course, most Yanks don't have non-local-currency accounts. Has EFDSS changed its mind? Or is the question one of joining the EFDSS -- when so many English are not joining? -- and there is still no option of subscribing only to the Journal? thanks for any up-to-date information. Steve Corrsin ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 10:33:09 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 13:34:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephen D Corrsin Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: FMJ and EFDSS To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU CC: ecd-digest-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This is in response to Colin Hume's comment that one can join EFDSS using visa or mastercard. Several years ago it was announced that Americans could use U.S. currency checks to subscribe to Folk Music Journal (this appeared in American Morris Newsletter). I accordingly did so, and got in reply a very snippy message from EFDSS saying that American money was no good there. The eds of the Journal, to their credit, apologized over the misunderstanding. (Perhaps they apologised, in fact.) This is problematic because, of course, most Yanks don't have non-local-currency accounts. Has EFDSS changed its mind? Or is the question one of joining the EFDSS -- when so many English are not joining? -- and there is still no option of subscribing only to the Journal? thanks for any up-to-date information. Steve Corrsin ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 18:04:30 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 21:05:21 -0400 (EDT) From: julia s sutton Subject: Re: two questions To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To Martin Mulligan, The instructional material in dance from ca. 1580-1630 begins all steps or step-patterns with the left foot. Absolutely symmetrical repetition after that to the other side and with the other foot is almost a given. To the best of my knowledge we have no English material among the manuals that mentions the footwork. My general advice is to follow that unless you know that the first date of your dance is 19th century! Julia Sutton ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 04:58:11 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 06:08:49 -0400 From: Sharon A McKinley Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: F-words in discussion (was Chestnuts at English Week ) To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: -Reply barbara; yeah, i AM glad. you stated it beautifully. and i loved your comment about the doctor and the plies. i am, however, gonna refrain from sticking my own personal oar in about folk-ness. seems to me there was a long discussion about the subject on this list once upon a time, and simply saying that i feel that for many reasons, ECD qualifies as folk dance, will state my position. anyone wanna fight, write me directly. ;-) yours in folk-or-otherness, sharon "i started out in international so i think it's ALL folk" mckinley, and not an official dance historian for any government agency ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 09:08:08 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 12:09:37 -0400 From: Martin.Fager-AT- bowne.com (Martin Fager) Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ??????? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU, Sharon A McKinley Message-ID: <000189E2.1618-AT- bowne.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Question: What do you have if you seal a shamrock in clear plastic? || || || \/ || || || \/ || || || \/ || || || \/ || || || \/ || || || \/ Answer: Irish Lamination! Marty Fager, just back from True Brit (and a fine weekend it was!) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 14:32:03 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 17:32:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Jonathan Sivier Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: what was the dance in "Her Majesty, Mrs. Brown" To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199710062132.RAA17141-AT- staff1.cso.uiuc.edu> I went to see "Her Majesty, Mrs. Brown" at a local theatre this past weekend and enjoyed it very much. Has there been any discussion as to what dance is being done at the party at Balmoral in the movie? It looked like a square or a circle and looked like fun. If anyone has any ideas, please let us know. Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 18:34:51 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 18:31:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Barbara Ruth Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: F-words in discussion (was Chestnuts at English Week ) To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <19971007013122.11600.rocketmail-AT- send2.rocketmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ---"Paul J. Stamler" wrote: > On Fri, 3 Oct 1997, Mike or Norma Briggs wrote: > > > I think it was the late great Louis Armstrong, when asked what folk > > music is, replied "Ain't never heard no horses playing no music", or > > words to that effect. > > It's been attributed to several people, but the general consensus is that > Big Bill Broonzy said it. Louis Armstrong, on the other hand, when asked > to define jazz, said, "If you have to ask, you'll never know." > > Peace. > Paul > Exactly. (Insofar as anything can be said exactly.) Then there's my favorite statement about the trials of defining things, the Supreme Court Justice (I don't know which one it was) who is supposed to have said "I can't define pornography, but I know it when I see it." And of course, Lao-tsu: "The Tao which can be spoken is not the true Tao." We understand words on a mostly intuitive level. They are like the things you can only see out of the corner of your eyes. The harder you try to focus on them, the more elusive they become. Barbara Ruth New Haven, CT _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 20:37:32 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 23:44:24 +0000 From: Erna-Lynne Bogue Subject: Hey Dance from Buff Gap To: "ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <343977D5.37E2-AT- ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (PLEASE REPLY TO ebogue-AT- umich.edu) Several years ago -- at least 4 years ago -- Helen Cornelius taught a dance at Buffalo Gap, and I have never seen it before or since. It was a dance for 12 people, 6 couples. The starting formation was like two 3 cpl longways sets side by side: M1 W1 M4 W4 M2 W2 M5 W5 M3 W3 M6 W6 The dance had mirror heys in the 3 cpl set, then heys for 4 across the set and a circle of 10 people around the middle two who were swinging at the time. The dance itself was a mixer, taking 6 times through to get your partner back. If *anyone* has info on this dance, I would LOVE to be have it. Thanks ahead of time for your help. ELB -------------------------------- Erna-Lynne Bogue / Ypsilanti MI -------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 21:31:30 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 00:31:57 -0700 From: "Michael J. O'Connor" Subject: Re: F-words in discussion (was Chestnuts at English Week ) To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <3439E56C.4F73-AT- erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <19971007013122.11600.rocketmail-AT- send2.rocketmail.com> Barbara Ruth wrote: > > Then there's > my favorite statement about the trials of defining things, the Supreme > Court Justice (I don't know which one it was) who is supposed to have > said "I can't define pornography, but I know it when I see it." It was Potter Stewart. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 03:38:02 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Return-Path: philippe.callens-AT- uia.ua.ac.be Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 12:43:10 +0200 From: Philippe Callens Subject: Re: Hey Dance from Buff Gap To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <343A123E.3064-AT- uia.ua.ac.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <343977D5.37E2-AT- ix.netcom.com> Erna-Lynn, I believe that dance is "Double Top" by Charles Bolton. I'll check at home. Philippe Callens ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 12:33:50 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Return-Path: Nan.E.EVANS-AT- state.or.us Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 12:34:23 -0700 From: EVANS Nan E Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: Child care at Playford balls-Reply To: "ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU" (IPM Return requested) Message-ID: <"03DC2343A8EBF001*/c=us/admd= /prmd=or.gov/o=PRD/ou=MSMail/s=EVANS/g=Nan/i=E/"-AT- MHS> Peter - thanks for the "kudos" to the Portand Ball. So, why aren't you coming west this fall for the Ball? Any chance you will be able to come??? To All: The Portland Ball committee tries to be "kid friendly" by providing childcare for out-of-towners by setting up a group baby sitting arrangement for the night of the Ball and by having a place where kids can play during the rehersal which is just down the hall from where the dancers are and which had an older kid in charge of watching what is going on.(and who knows which parents to contaact if help is needed. We gather information about who needs help in arranging childcare during the registration process. Nan Evans ---------- From: Peter Fricke To: smckinley-AT- loc.gov; ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Subject: Child care at Playford balls-Reply Date: Tuesday, September 30, 1997 4:40AM I'm not going to the Baltimore Ball, alas, or the Richmond Ball because there are no baby-sitting arrangements for out-of-town people with young children in tow. Parents... the Portland Ball is not only a *great* ball but the committee has worked hard for it to be kid-friendly too; I wish we could persuade other groups to take note. (This is a reply to sharon mckinley, but others on the list may have thoughts on this, too) Peter Fricke The Old Rectory, Middleway Route 1 Box 162 Kearneysville, WV 25430 304-728-6400 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 14:35:30 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 17:28:49 -0400 From: Brad Foster Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: New CDSS Office location To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <2.2.32.19971007212849.006b21b4-AT- crocker.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The Country Dance and Song Society has moved!!! Our new address and phone #s are: 132 Main St/PO Box 338 Haydenville, MA 01039-0338 Phone: 413-268-7426 Fax: 413-268-7471 Our email and web addresses have not changed. If you'd like to visit, check out the directions on our web page at http://www.cdss.org/index.html#directions If you don't like listening to voice mail (we have a new phone system), instead of listening to the message you can immediately dial: 0 to get one of us (if we're there) 2 for Sales 3 for Programs 4 for Directory of extensions 100 for Brad 101 for Caroline 102 for Steve 103 for Dedo 104 for Gladys 105 for Linda 106 for Pat 107 for Robin And, if we're not there, you will get voice mail. Come see us in our new space. Brad Foster ------------------------------------------------------------------- Brad Foster Country Dance and Song Society Executive and Artistic Director New Address: 132 Main, PO Box 338 brad.foster-AT- cdss.org; office-AT- cdss.org Haydenville MA 01039-0338 http://www.cdss.org/ 413-268-7426; Fax: 413-268-7471 ------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 19:15:23 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 20:50:57 -0500 From: Mary E Jones Subject: Weekend of Dancing With Scott Higgs To: ECD List Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <343AE701.121C-AT- javanet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Everyone - Want the pleasure of a ball but without the anxiety of having to memorize the dances and dressing up? Even if 'boning' up (corseted or otherwise) is dandy with you - here is an opportunity NOT to be missed! Sunday, October 19th from 2-5 pm at Munson Library (wonderful wood floor!) in South Amherst, MA: An Advanced Dance For Experienced Dancers Called by Scott Higgs Music by Doug Creighton, Larry Wallach, Van Kaynor This fabulous dance is being held in conjunction with Scott's calling at the Pleasures of the Town dance (3rd Sat. of the month) on Saturday night, October 18th from 8 to 11 pm at Munson Library as well. The 3rd Sat. dance is open to all - beginners and experienced alike. Pleasures of the Town is a wonderful English dance band whose members are Joyce Crouch, Doug Creighton and Susan Kevra. So make it a weekend with Scott Higgs, the fall foliage, and incredible dancing! There is some limited hospitality available - email me privately within the next few days. See you there! Mary Jones ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:40:16 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:41:20 -0700 (PDT) From: rushton-AT- biology.utah.edu (Emma Rushton) Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Wakefield Hunt To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Can anyone remind me how the dance goes? Preferably before next Friday! Thanks, Emma Emma Rushton, Department of Biology, University of Utah, Salt Lake City, UT 84112 (801) 585-9425 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 17:41:57 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 19:49:03 -0500 From: Mary E Jones Subject: Re: Wakefield Hunt To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <344412FF.422-AT- javanet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: Emma Rushton wrote: > > Can anyone remind me how the dance goes? Preferably before next Friday! > Thanks, Emma > > Emma Rushton, > Department of Biology, > University of Utah, > Salt Lake City, > UT 84112 > (801) 585-9425 > > Emma - We just danced this last night at the Amherst (MA) Area Monday Night ECD. The copy of the dance directions is via Helen Davenport who had it on one of her Hartford Ball programs. I believe it is found in Hunter's Moon - but there are no copies of that to be had... I'm copying the directions from the sheet Helen provided which looks like a photocopy from the book. You will want to use your own shorthand in teaching, for sure. WAKEFIELD HUNT. Source: C & S Thompson's 1779 Collection MM. (dotted quarter note) = 114. Play AABBCC ad lib. Dance source: As for the Tune, above. Both were later republished by the Thompson firm in Vol. 4 of their 'Compleat Collection'. Form: Any number of Couples, but preferably a multiple of 3, longways, all proper. Triple-minor, with triple progression. 2 beats to each bar (A, B & C, 8 bars each). A1 1 Man casts down below 2 Man who moves up, (if preferred then sets to) then turns 3 Lady once, he finishing in 2 Man's place. A2 1 Lady does likewise, casting, turning 3 Man, and finishing in 2 Lady's place. B1 Hands-six. Slipped circle, L & R, returning to same places. B2 Leading (1) Couple gates-down through 3 Couple, then gates-up through 2 Couple. C1 Leading Couple R-H star with 3 Couple, then L-H star with 2 Couple. C2 Leading and 3 Couples, Partners facing, circular-hey with hands, 3 changes; then (7-8) Leading Couple go down on the outside of and below the _next_ Couple (2 Couple from the set below, who move up the middle to become 3 Couple in the next round of the dance). NOTE. For 9 Couples, progression is from 123 456 789 to 235 168 497, and with any multiple of 3 Couples all rounds of the dance are without neutral Couples. With other numbers, there are neutrals at the bottom only. In the original 'triple-minor' C1 was wholly with 3 Couple and C2 probably 4 changes of a hey with 2 Couple, to give the single progression. Mary here: It is a fun dance to do...the third progression is the tricky part - if it falls apart anywhere, it is there (since all the rest is so symmetrical) but the key is that the 1's keep following their line of momentum (going outside and down the set one place). They 'force' the 2's below to come up to make room for them. It won't disintegrate if the 1's remain stout of heart and just go for it! Have fun - Mary Jones Amherst, MA ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 06:47:11 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 06:45:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Barbara Ruth Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: NOMAD is on its way To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <19971016134551.716.rocketmail-AT- send1.rocketmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Helen Davenport, Martha Davey,Beverly Francis, Sharon Green, Andreas Hayden, Christine Helwig, Fried de Metz Herman, Margery Potter and Peggy Vermilya. What do all these people have in common, besides charm and good looks? They will all be calling English dances at NOMAD, Connecticut's annual Fall festival of Music and Dance. There is _lots_ of English dancing this year. 7 hours worth on Saturday alone. There are many other kinds of dancing as well, for those who care, contras, international, Morris etc. etc. Even Tai Chi! (Time to get into the "What is dance" discussion?) Concerts and participatory singing and music workshops as well. It's all happening Nov. 7-9, at the Newtown Middle School, in Newtown, CT (near Danbury). The complete schedule (subject to change of course) as well as more information, directions, area accomodations etc. can be found on our WEB page at http://www.geocities.com/Hearthland/Hills/8797/ (don't ask me how that address got attached to NOMAD, I haven't a clue). Or by email: NOMADFEST-AT- juno.com or phone (203) 372-3890. Come to NOMAD. You'll have a great time and the folks listed at the top of the page will be glad to see you. And if you are going to come, think about volunteering some time. NOMAD is a completely volunteer-run festival. All the performers, workshop leaders and musicians contribute their time and talent. We also need people to handle the more prosaic jobs like selling tickets. There is a discount on admission, as well as my gratitude, to anyone who volunteers three hours worth of work during the weekend. If you want to volunteer less than three hours, you still get me gratitude. We can particularly use anyone with experience in working sound equipment. For volunteering, contact me at barbararuth-AT- rocketmail.com. _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:18:02 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:19:40 -0400 From: Martin.Fager-AT- bowne.com (Martin Fager) Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: NOMAD is on its way To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU, Barbara Ruth Message-ID: <000205C2.1618-AT- bowne.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In addition to all the English dance sessions on the NOMAD schedule, while cooling your feet you can watch ECD demonstrations by Chelsea English Country Dancers and Reel Nutmeg. (I hope they aren't scheduled against ECD sessions.) Marty Fager, newly playing the role of returned prodigal in Chelsea English Country Dancers (Gather your Peascods while ye may...) ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: NOMAD is on its way Author: Barbara Ruth at Internet-Express Date: 10/16/97 6:45 AM Helen Davenport, Martha Davey,Beverly Francis, Sharon Green, Andreas Hayden, Christine Helwig, Fried de Metz Herman, Margery Potter and Peggy Vermilya. What do all these people have in common, besides charm and good looks? They will all be calling English dances at NOMAD, Connecticut's annual Fall festival of Music and Dance. There is _lots_ of English dancing this year. 7 hours worth on Saturday alone. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:37:53 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:40:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Barbara Ruth Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: NOMAD - oops To: ECD Message-ID: <19971016174022.18347.rocketmail-AT- web2.rocketmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Roger Broseus has pointed out that I goofed on the WEB address for NOMAD it is http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/8797/ That is heartland, not hearthland. Thanks Rog. Barbara Ruth New Haven _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 12:53:20 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 12:53:47 -0700 From: giovanni de amici Subject: announcement: dance series in L.A. (CA) To: ecd-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <3447C24B.16E7-AT- trw.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit English Country Dances in the Big Orange ! starting Nov 3 two new series of ECD debut in Los Angeles county. mondays, 7:30 to 10:00 pm in Encino (San Fernando Valley) live music for details call Robert Berger (818) 881 5834; hceen006-AT- email.csun.edu first and third thursdays, 8 to 10 pm in Torrance (south of downtown LA) live music; admission $5; light refreshments provided for details call Giovanni De Amici (310) 937 5614; g.deamici-AT- trw.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 12:57:20 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 12:57:48 -0700 From: giovanni de amici Subject: announcement: dance event in L.A. (CA) To: ecd-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <3447C33C.1A02-AT- trw.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit start the new year with an evening of fine English Country dancing in Los Angeles Join us saturday, 10 Jan 1998 and travel back in time to the days of miss Jane Austen. Formal tea, dance class, historical workshops start at2 pm, and end with an evening dance. All ECD dances will be walked through (not taught) and prompted. cost is 20$, including a light buffet dinner period costumes are encouraged, but not required; for details call Walter Nelson (818) 342 3482; laha-AT- pacbell.com this event is sponsored by the Live Arts History Association (LAHA) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 13:02:31 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 13:02:54 -0700 From: giovanni de amici Subject: a request To: ecd-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <3447C46E.33BC-AT- trw.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit to all dance organizers/managers/ogres out there: We will soon restart the tradion of ECD and Playford dancing in Los Angeles (see the previous announcements); we will also greatly appreciate if you could put our addresses on your mailing list, so to: - keep us informed on all your great dance events - allow our dancers to find out about what else goes on outside southern California here are the addresses: Giovanni De Amici 1919 - 1/2 Perry Ave - Redondo Beach CA 90278 Walter Nelson - 7341 Etiwanda Rd - Reseda CA 91335 Thank you for your kindness. Giovanni De Amici ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 21:40:23 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 00:58:25 -0400 From: Faina Riftina Subject: Pat Shaw: A Year to Celebrate To: ECD List Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <344C3671.3C37-AT- is3.nyu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Many of you may know that November will mark the twentieth anniversary of the death of Patrick Shuldham-Shaw (1917-1977). The Country Dancers of Westchester will be dedicating their Thanksgiving dance this year to honor Pat and his marvelous legacy of dance, music, and song.* Fried de Metz Herman, one of Pat's preeminent students, will say a few words, but primarily we will remember him through dancing and singing. We urge country dancers everywhere to dedicate a dance or an evening to Pat in the same spirit of celebration.--Paul Ross, teacher, CDW and CD*NY *Church in the Highlands, White Plains, NY, USA at 8 pm. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 06:13:37 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:09:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Larkin Irfona Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu To: ECD Message-ID: <344CA97F-AT- its.nlc-bnc.ca> REVIEW ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:46:58 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 18:46:00 -0500 From: Anne Marie Edden Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Dancing with Style To: ecd-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hear ye, Hear ye. Important Upcoming Event Dancing with Style A CD*NY Workshop with Fried de Metz Herman Sunday, November 16, 10:30am - 5pm $10 members, $12 non-members half-day: $7 members/$8 non For all who will: A one day workshop to polish our English Country Dance skills. Come spend a day with Fried focusing on the finer points. 10:30am - 1pm Music by John Austin and Leah Barkin 1pm - 2:30pm Lunch Break 2:30pm - 5pm Music by John Austin and Bill Peek Location: The General Theological Seminary - Gymnasium 175 9th Avenue (between 20th & 21st Streets) For more info contact Aedden -AT- gruzensamton.com All dancers should be knowledgable of the basic figures, and prepared to work on finer points of style, timing, and movement. Bring your clean, soft-bottomed, non-street (never worn outside) shoes! Bring edible goodies to share! ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 03:45:42 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 11:44:57 +0000 (BRITAIN) From: HUGH-AT- SDL.UG.EDS.COM Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: History of Virginia Reel? To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <01IP3U3AP6YQ007A02-AT- SDL.UG.EDS.COM> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I have been sent the following query:- >> we are looking for the history of the virginia reel. my daughter is a >> third grade teacher and was trying to find the history of the virginia >> reel so she could teach her class the dance as well as the history. how >> the dance came to be. and what historical dance it came from. if you can >> help we would be most gratful. thanks >> >> joyce lane >> >> jmjal-AT- qnet.com Before I try answering the question can anyone do better than me? I believe it was derived from (Sir) Roger de Coverley. (Do we have an ECD list archive?) Tony Parkes says it was George Washington's favouirite dance (which seems a sweeping statement considering how frequently I change my mind about my favourite dance); I assume you colonials would know more about this than I do this side of the pond. Hugh Stewart Cambridge UK ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 06:40:02 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 06:39:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Barbara Ruth Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Dancing with Style To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <19971022133907.24220.rocketmail-AT- attach1.rocketmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Annie, Is pre-registration required for style workshop? Barbara Ruth New Haven _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:06:11 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:07:03 -0400 (EDT) From: julia s sutton Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: History of Virginia Reel? To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hugh and everyone: The history of the Virginia Reel, as shown by concrete evidence (i.e., written rather than oral sources) needs to begin with the longways dances found in Caroso and Negri (published at the end of the 16th century). They provide several examples, though certainly not the Virgina Reel as we know it today. The point is, its origin is obviously old and may never be discovered precisely, but the type of dance goes back at least to that century in Italy! Julia Sutton ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:19:19 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:16:00 -0500 From: Anne Marie Edden Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: Dancing with Style To: uunet!PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU!ECD-AT- uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <99FC4D3401FC4600-AT- GRUZENSAMTON.COM> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT from Barbara Ruth at 10/22/97 6:39a >Annie, >Is pre-registration required for style workshop? > > >Barbara Ruth >New Haven > >_____________________________________________________________________ ***** NOTES from Anne Marie Edden (AEDDEN -AT- GRUSAM) at 10/22/97 1:09p Pre-registration is not required for the style workshop with Fried Herman, but a general sense of the interest in this event would be appreciated so that we might know how much fruit juice to prepare. Annie Edden New York City ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:09:43 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 19:09:06 -0400 (EDT) From: blassen-AT- juno.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: New CDSS Office location To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <19971023.185246.5207.0.BLassen-AT- juno.com> References: <2.2.32.19971007212849.006b21b4-AT- crocker.com> Brad, I let my membership laps and have no membership information. Is there a form I should use. If so, can you send me one? Bonnie Lassen 1 Stonegate Rd East Hampton, CT 06424-1927 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 05:57:51 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Return-Path: Peter.Fricke-AT- noaa.gov Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 09:00:45 -0500 From: Peter Fricke Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: New English and American Dance week planned To: ecd-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Return requested) Message-ID: <0363E3457418D00B*/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=GOV+NOAA/o=CCNMFS/s=Fricke/g=Peter/-AT- MHS> Appropos our earlier discussions of events west of the Appalachians and family-friendly events, the Lloyd Shaw Foundation is planning a new dance camp featuring English country dance and traditional American dance, music, song, etc., with separate, and full, programs for adults and children. (The kids dance and music programs are for 6-8 year-olds and 9-12 year-olds; child care for pre-schoolers.) TERPSICHORE'S HOLIDAY this year will be from December 28 to January 1 in the *beautiful* mountains of central West Virginia. The location is Jackson's Mill 4-H Conference Center, Weston, WV about a mile or so west of Interstate 79, thus easy access by Interstate from most anywhere in the Midwest, Great Lakes and the East Coast regions. I would guess that Weston is about 120 miles south of Pittsburgh and 270 miles from Cinncinnati; Washington, DC; or Baltimore. Buffalo, Detroit, Indianapolis, Knoxville, Louisville, Richmond or Philadelphia are probably 350 miles from Weston; Cleveland and Columbus, OH are about 200 miles away For information, etc, contact Don and Sylvia Coffey at 502-747-5700 or Peter Fricke The Old Rectory, Middleway Route 1, Box 162 Kearneysville, WV 25430 Tel. 304-728-6400 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 06:36:17 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 08:36:57 -0600 (CST) From: FORBES-AT- GEORGE.BAKERU.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: New English and American Dance week planned To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <971029083657.5057-AT- GEORGE.BAKERU.EDU> OOPS. I'm not sure that December 28 to January 1 constitutes a week. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 09:58:29 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 14:00:03 +0000 (GMT) From: Margherita Modica Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Jane Austen Assembly To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <3EDEA247816-AT- obgyn.amc.edu> This coming Saturday, November 1, Beverly Francis will be presenting her popular Jane Austen Assembly for the Columbia County (Stockport, NY) dance. The evening begins at 7:30pm with our own John Huhn calling old favorites, "Simply Elementary." Then at 8:15, Beverly takes over calling dances which have a connection to Jane Austen, and giving readings from Jane's letters and works. The music will be by Hudson Crossing: George Davis, violin; Robin Russell, piano; Milton Zelermyer, oboe, English horn The dance will be held in the Community House of The Church of St. John the Evangelist, County Route 25, Stockport, NY. You can find a neat map at: http://www.vicinity.com/ by just completing the form at MapBlast. They'll also give you driving directions. Overnight hospitality is available at the hall; bring a sleeping bag, mats are provided. This will be the last dance this year for the Columbia County Country Dancers; we will resume next year after the snows. Therefore, I hope the many of you near the area who read this list will be able to attend. Margherita Davis ************************************************************************ Margherita M. Modica mmodica-AT- obgyn.amc.edu Obstetrics & Gynecology (518) 262-6405 Albany Medical College (518) 262-5292, fax ************************************************************************ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 15:09:32 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Return-Path: Peter.Fricke-AT- noaa.gov Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 16:02:22 -0500 From: Peter Fricke Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re[2]: New English and American Dance week planned To: FORBES-AT- GEORGE.BAKERU.EDU (Return requested), ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Return requested) Message-ID: <05F483457A45E047*/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=GOV+NOAA/o=CCNMFS/s=Fricke/g=Peter/-AT- MHS> It does this year... something about the relationship of Thursday holidays to weekends; CDSS set the precedent and has explored short weeks at Pinewoods. I'm told TERPSICHORE'S HOLIDAY will be a full week next year (1998) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 01:02:42 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Return-Path: philippe.callens-AT- uia.ua.ac.be Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 11:08:35 +0100 From: Philippe Callens Subject: Totally Thompson To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <34585CA3.44BE-AT- uia.ua.ac.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Recently a book called "Totally Thompson" was published in England. But that is about all know. Who knows more? Where is it available? Philippe Callens ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 08:11:29 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 11:12:21 -0400 (EDT) From: RLHAYDEN-AT- amherst.edu Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: dance correction from CDSS News editor To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <01IPGDEY86MQ90N7CB-AT- amherst.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Hello, all, Caroline asked me to pass this message on to all of you: The editor's apologies. The A1 directions for Colin Hume's very nice dance New York Times (in the November/December issue of the CDSS News) isn't complete. It should read: A1 First couple cross and go below while second couple wait and then move up. Half double figure eight: twos cast and cross up while ones half figure eight up. The correction will be published in the next issue. Caroline Batson (speaking through Robin Hayden in honor of Halloween) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 10:40:49 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 12:48:19 -0500 From: Sharon A McKinley Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: ecd mail To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: SET NOMAIL