Archive-Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 06:32:47 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 09:34:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Gileshill-AT- aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: musicians wanted in greater LA area To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <970701093402_-427386191-AT- emout14.mail.aol.com> Alan said > Hmm. If neither of these approaches work, there's a series of Victorian > dances in Pasadena, I think, from which the musicians might be recruited. I don't > know the details; if they're getting paid anything like what Brassworks gets > paid for Gaskell, they'll be too expensive. That would be Tom Axeworthy's band, I believe, in their Victorian incarnation as the Philadelphia Band and Quadrille Orchestra. I can put you in touch with them if you wish. Giles Orange County ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 07:02:32 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 10:09:02 -0400 From: peggyl-AT- netdepot.com (Peggy Lamberson) Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: musicians wanted in greater LA area To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU CC: ecd-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199707011410.KAA21712-AT- jupiter.netdepot.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <33B8434E.51D2-AT- trw.com> giovanni de amici (Mon, 30 Jun 1997 16:37:50 -0700): >If any of you lives and plays music in LA, or knows of someone who does, >please e-mail to me at: >g.deamici-AT- trw.com >all kind of leads and suggestions (as to how to ferret out and cajole >musicians into learning a new style) will be appreciated. Hi, Beth Miller, a pianist who has played both English and American country dance music for many years, now lives in Beverly Hills. She was our regular pianist for English country dances here in Atlanta until she moved to California last year. She'd probably be delighted to get back into playing for dances. I don't have her current phone number, but her address is: 321 S. Doheny Dr., Apt. 7 Beverly Hills CA 90211 If you can't find a phone number for her, let me know. I'm sure I can get it from mutual friends here in Atlanta. Peggy Lamberson ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 11:44:55 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 11:46:35 -0700 From: Eric Goodill Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: My apologies to Alan and the list To: ecd-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <33B9508B.72B2-AT- cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I recently sent what probably seemed like a sarcastic personal attack on Alan Winston to the ECD list in reply to comments he made regarding finding musicians for ECD in the Los Angeles area. Alan and I are friends and share a perverse sense of humor. However, I blew it and replied to the list when it should have been sent privately to Alan. I've apologized to Alan for sending what some might feel was a sarcastic personal attack to a wide audience. Fortunately, Alan figured that I'd just screwed up, and he appreciated the humor. -Eric ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 17:03:04 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 17:03:21 -0700 From: giovanni de amici Subject: Re: musicians wanted in greater LA area To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <33B99AC9.500F-AT- trw.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <970701093402_-427386191-AT- emout14.mail.aol.com> Gileshill-AT- aol.com wrote: > That would be Tom Axeworthy's band, I believe, in their Victorian incarnation > as the Philadelphia Band and Quadrille Orchestra. I can put you in touch > with them if you wish. > Hallo. I have 562 946 4001 as Tom's phone number. So far I have not been succesful at making contact, so if you have a different/better number, or his e-mail, I will appreciate receiving that. Thank you very much. Giovanni De Amici ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 17:04:54 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 17:05:12 -0700 From: giovanni de amici Subject: Re: musicians wanted in greater LA area To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <33B99B38.4E4F-AT- trw.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <33B8434E.51D2-AT- trw.com> <199707011410.KAA21712-AT- jupiter.netdepot.com> Peggy Lamberson wrote: > Beth Miller, a pianist ..... > Hallo. I found one Elizabeth Miller at the address you gave, her number being 310 278 1866. I will try calling tonight: wish me luck and thanks for the help. Giovanni De Amici ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 13:27:42 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 16:29:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Sharon Green Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Lichfield Festival & Edinburgh Ball To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199707032029.QAA05447-AT- mail1.panix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" David & I are back from two weeks in England & Scotland, full of impressions of the dance scene there. Those interested, read on: Lichfield Festival was a blast--I just wish we could have cloned ourselves so that we could have managed to attend all three dances on Friday night. But we had a lovely time at Fried's Friday dance and came back very excited about her band that night, WYSIWYG [Rachel Taylor, fiddle, and Fiona Maurice-Smith, the phenomenal accordionist on All Alive & Face the Music and other tapes]--I just wish someone could set them up with a tour over here. I also was very excited to meet Hugh Stewart & Margaret Whaley from the list, and to hang out with Boston & London's jet-setting Colin Hume, who is probably now ahead of me in frequent flyer miles, but just you wait, as well as to re-meet John Sweeney, who'd come through our New York dance shortly after the New York Times article appeared and had gotten to see us at our most crazed. Saturday was a great day for workshops: Charles Bolton racing folks through 8 of the 10 dances in his new Retreads Vol. 7; Fried insisting that everyone ask a stranger to dance [radical!] and getting away with it because she's our one and only Fried; Hilary Herbert mixing contras & English & squares, oh my, in an eclectic tea dance set. It was also our first chance to see NYFTE [the National Youth Folklore Troupe of England] in action. Boy! are they good! and boy! do I wish I had half their energy and zest! A truly joyful experience. Sunday the workshops were once again grand. We were particularly blown away by Andrew Shaw, who manages to be erudite [Walsh, 1710, was the workshop topic; Andrew specializes in 17th & 18th centure dance], good-humored, and laid back [are you *sure* this man is English?] and leads people through complex dances clearly and expeditiously. Those of you already thinking about staffing next summer's camps and schools, ask around about Andrew, because we think he'd do just fine with an American crowd. Lichfield Festival was special to us for lots of reasons. So was the Edinburgh Ball the next weekend, but for very different ones. It was wonderful to see Aidan Broadbridge, whom we first met when he & his father Nic stayed with us a few years back, playing with assurance and polish as half of the duo A & B; it was grand to meet Nic's wife Nell, quietly keeping things running despite having a houseful of guests and a classful of students to handle. And it was fun to chat with Nic again, totally in his element, immensely pleased with his and Marjorie Fennessy's new Purcell book and with the Assembly Players new recording "Playford from the New World" [probably their best recording yet, with some lovely Jonathan Jensen tunes]. But the sentimental topper for us was the appearance of a young country dance demo team from Montague, Michigan, some twenty-odd miles from David's family's cottage in Pentwater! *Not* what we expected to find in Edinburgh, but a happy reminder that American kids also can tune in to the joys of English country dance. So it gave us great pleasure to meet Carol Urquhart and her high schoolers. Now we just have to convince some of the kids to come to college in New York! Much love, Sharon Green ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 13:39:04 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 16:40:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Sharon Green Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Wanted: Info on Nellie Chaplin To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199707032040.QAA06212-AT- mail1.panix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In a secondhand bookshop in Edinburgh I came across "Court Dances and Others, Revived by Nellie Chaplin" [Curwen's Edition No.5707, copyright 1911]. I'd be interested in learning more about Chaplin, who claims in the foreword to have started the Playford revival in 1906. I'd also be interested in learning about A. C. Hunt, [possibly connected with Halsway Manor, according to one report], to whom this copy was given in 1912. 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Here are the dates for 97-98, the 10th year of the series. October 19 - November 9 - December 7. January 4 - February 1 - March 22 - April 19 - May 24. The dance starts at 2.30 pm and stops at 5.30 pm. Entrance: BEF 125. All welcome! On the program, a mix of English country dances and New England style contras, taught/called by Philippe Callens. Venue: Den Wolschaerder, Liersesteenweg 314, 2640 Morstel, Belgium. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 09:52:44 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 11:54:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Jonathan Sivier Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: question on "Bill Of Rights" To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199707041654.LAA02973-AT- ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> I've tried doing the dance "The Bill Of Rights" from Ticknor's "Dances from George Washington's Birthday Balls" and have had some troubles with B1. The B section is 12 bars long (24 beats) and in B1 the 1's are supposed to dance 2 full figure-eights around the 2's. There just doesn't seem to be enough time here for these figures. Even if they skip the 1's can't seem to get all the way through the figure-eights before it's time for them to lead down the center. Has anyone else tried this dance and come upon this problem? Am I misunderstanding something? Any suggestions on how to make this dance work gracefully, that is without having to tell the ones to 'go like the blazes' in B1? The rest of the dance goes very smoothly and I'd like to do it if I can work out the trouble with this part. Jonathan ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Jonathan Sivier |Q: How many angels can dance on the | | j-sivier-AT- uiuc.edu | head of a pin? | | Flight Simulation Lab |A: It depends on what dance you call. | | Beckman Institute | | | 405 N. Mathews | SWMDG - Single White Male | | Urbana, IL 61801 | Dance Gypsy | | Work: 217/244-1923 | | | Home: 217/359-8225 | Have shoes, will dance. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Home page URL: http://www.staff.uiuc.edu/~j-sivier | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 05 Jul 1997 21:06:20 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 00:08:47 +0000 From: Rich Galloway Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: New e-mail address To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199707060406.AAA14030-AT- ns.kreative.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Alan, I've finally got a new, functioning e-mail address. I've successfully subscribed to the ECD list under my new address. I can still receive mail at my old address, but sending mail from the old account is not functioning. Since I cannot do it myself, can you please unsubscribe my old address of galloway-AT- xis.com from the ECD list? Thanks Rich Galloway rich-AT- kreative.net ========================================================== Rich Galloway Home: rich-AT- kreative.net 2115 Hanover St. Work: richard_galloway-AT- ed.gov Silver Spring, MD 20910 ========================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 12:01:09 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 12:01:17 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: question on "Bill Of Rights" To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01IKWYLRLXW8A7DG7V-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Jonathan -- It's been a couple of years since I taught this dance (at our Regency group's Madison Inaugural Ball), and I went with Millar rather than Ticknor on interpretation, which worked pretty well. Millar's A1 & A2 are the same as Ticknor, but he only as one B, which goes but his 17-22 goes: The 1 woman cast off (followed by her partner), dance up between the 2s, dance counterclockwise around the 2 man and return to original places (all in 12 counts); 23-28 has 1s cast off (2s move up), partners turn once around with 2 hands. Ticknor, filling twice the music, inserts a 1s lead down and back and cast off one place. Ticknor conveniently gives the original text from Thompson: Foot it and half Right and Left =+= the same back again =+= hunt round the second couple =+= cast off and turn. Making no claim to scholarship here, I think Millar and Ticknor have equally legitimate interpretations of "hunt round the second couple". Unfortunately, I don't know if Thompson shows a repeat on the B or not. Now, as to getting around in 12 counts, I think you have to remember that they'd be doing chasse steps rather than walking steps in 1773, which makes it easier to cover ground. In other words, make the ones skip-change and they should get through. Good luck! -- Alan ====================== Jonathan wrote: I've tried doing the dance "The Bill Of Rights" from Ticknor's "Dances from George Washington's Birthday Balls" and have had some troubles with B1. The B section is 12 bars long (24 beats) and in B1 the 1's are supposed to dance 2 full figure-eights around the 2's. There just doesn't seem to be enough time here for these figures. Even if they skip the 1's can't seem to get all the way through the figure-eights before it's time for them to lead down the center. Has anyone else tried this dance and come upon this problem? Am I misunderstanding something? Any suggestions on how to make this dance work gracefully, that is without having to tell the ones to 'go like the blazes' in B1? The rest of the dance goes very smoothly and I'd like to do it if I can work out the trouble with this part. Jonathan ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Jonathan Sivier |Q: How many angels can dance on the | | j-sivier-AT- uiuc.edu | head of a pin? | | Flight Simulation Lab |A: It depends on what dance you call. | | Beckman Institute | | | 405 N. Mathews | SWMDG - Single White Male | | Urbana, IL 61801 | Dance Gypsy | | Work: 217/244-1923 | | | Home: 217/359-8225 | Have shoes, will dance. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Home page URL: http://www.staff.uiuc.edu/~j-sivier | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 415/926-3056 Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA 94309-0210 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 18:54:36 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 21:57:04 +0000 From: Rich Galloway Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: New e-mail address To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199707070155.VAA24879-AT- ns.kreative.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Oops, sorry all. I meant to send that only to Alan. But please do note that I have new e-mail address: rich-AT- kreative.net ==================================================== Rich Galloway Silver Spring, MD ==================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 18:54:48 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 21:57:04 +0000 From: Rich Galloway Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: question on "Bill Of Rights" To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199707070155.VAA24898-AT- ns.kreative.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > Ticknor conveniently gives the original text from Thompson: > > Foot it and half Right and Left =+= the same back again =+= hunt > round the second couple =+= cast off and turn. > > Making no claim to scholarship here, I think Millar and Ticknor have > equally legitimate interpretations of "hunt round the second > couple". > > Unfortunately, I don't know if Thompson shows a repeat on the B or > not. Thompson indeed shows repeats for both the A and B music. This looks like it might be a case of 8-bar figures fitted to a 12-bar phrase of music. It's not unusual to find dances that do not seem to fit their published music. This particular tune was used for at least 2 other dances--The Sea Side (1781) and Suckey's Delight (1780). I hesitate to guess with so little info, but it's possible Thompson chose a popular tune which was not a good fit to the dance figures. Of course, it's also possible that the only mistake is in our attempts to interpret the dance. BTW, Bill of Rights is from Thompson'a Volume III published in 1773, so it was not a reference to the first 10 amendments to the U.S. Constitution. And YES, after nearly a month of hassles with ISPs, I'm finally back on line. ==================================================== Rich Galloway Silver Spring, MD ==================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 23:37:36 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 23:39:19 -0700 (PDT) From: bestockp-AT- oz.net Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: REMOVE To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >http://www.hunting.net > >www.hunting.net would like to invite you to visit the world's largest >all-hunting website. Visit today and register to win a free deer >hunting trip. > >BE SURE TO ADD THIS TO YOUR BOOKMARK LIST! > >The Top 10 reasons why you should visit http://www.hunting.net >-------------------------------------------------------------- > >10. Outfitter and lodge directory with 1500 listings throughout > the US and Canada > >9. Hunting information on all types of game (including the > world's largest online resource for deer and deer hunting.) > >8. Chat with other hunters around the world live in the Chat > Room > >7. Nationally known Pro Staff with monthly columns > >6. Hunting tips, techniques and strategies from the experts > >5. Visitors' trophy room > >4. Prizes > >3. World's largest online collection of hunting videos > available anywhere (with downloadable video clips) > >2. Swaps for hunts, gear, etc. > >1. It's free. > > >-------------------------------------------------------------- > >If you would like to be removed from all future mailings, >please respond with the word "Remove" in the subject line. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 00:56:51 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 00:43:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul J. Stamler" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: question on "Bill Of Rights" To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU CC: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 6 Jul 1997, Rich Galloway wrote: > BTW, Bill of Rights is from Thompson'a Volume III published in 1773, > so it was not a reference to the first 10 amendments to the U.S. > Constitution. Apparently not--but does anyone on the list know to what it *was* referring? My curiosity is piqued. Peace. Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 08:17:19 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 10:18:57 -0500 From: "Soni, Dilip" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Remove To: "'ECD-AT- ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu'" Message-ID: <79487C4CA9A0D01194E400A0242899D6049F65-AT- arch1.empros.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BC8ABF.2E6922C0" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC8ABF.2E6922C0 Content-Type: text/plain RE: Visit www.hunting.net > -----Original Message----- > From: Kimberly [SMTP:kimberly-AT- hunting.net] > Sent: Thursday, July 03, 1997 10:43 PM > To: kimberly-AT- hunting.net > Subject: Visit www.hunting.net > > http://www.hunting.net > > www.hunting.net would like to invite you to visit the world's largest > all-hunting website. Visit today and register to win a free deer > hunting trip. > > BE SURE TO ADD THIS TO YOUR BOOKMARK LIST! > > The Top 10 reasons why you should visit http://www.hunting.net > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > 10. Outfitter and lodge directory with 1500 listings throughout > the US and Canada > > 9. Hunting information on all types of game (including the > world's largest online resource for deer and deer hunting.) > > 8. Chat with other hunters around the world live in the Chat > Room > > 7. Nationally known Pro Staff with monthly columns > > 6. Hunting tips, techniques and strategies from the experts > > 5. Visitors' trophy room > > 4. Prizes > > 3. World's largest online collection of hunting videos > available anywhere (with downloadable video clips) > > 2. Swaps for hunts, gear, etc. > > 1. 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Visit today and register to win a free deer > >hunting trip. > > > >BE SURE TO ADD THIS TO YOUR BOOKMARK LIST! > > > >The Top 10 reasons why you should visit http://www.hunting.net > >-------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >10. Outfitter and lodge directory with 1500 listings throughout > > the US and Canada > > > >9. Hunting information on all types of game (including the > > world's largest online resource for deer and deer hunting.) > > > >8. Chat with other hunters around the world live in the Chat > > Room > > > >7. Nationally known Pro Staff with monthly columns > > > >6. Hunting tips, techniques and strategies from the experts > > > >5. Visitors' trophy room > > > >4. Prizes > > > >3. World's largest online collection of hunting videos > > available anywhere (with downloadable video clips) > > > >2. Swaps for hunts, gear, etc. > > > >1. It's free. > > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >If you would like to be removed from all future mailings, > >please respond with the word "Remove" in the subject line. > > > > > =3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+= -=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D > M.A.J. McKenna > staff writer, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution > 404.526.5987 vox > 404.526.5509 fax > Standard disclaimers apply. > =3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-= +-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D -- = =FFWPC=DB=03 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 08:40:46 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 10:44:29 -0500 From: Mike or Norma Briggs Subject: Re: REMOVE To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <33C10EDD.27C1-AT- execpc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: bestockp-AT- oz.net wrote: > = > >http://www.hunting.net > > > >www.hunting.net would like to invite you to visit the world's largest > >all-hunting website. Visit today and register to win a free deer > >hunting trip. > > > >BE SURE TO ADD THIS TO YOUR BOOKMARK LIST! > > > >The Top 10 reasons why you should visit http://www.hunting.net > >-------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >10. Outfitter and lodge directory with 1500 listings throughout > > the US and Canada > > > >9. Hunting information on all types of game (including the > > world's largest online resource for deer and deer hunting.) > > > >8. Chat with other hunters around the world live in the Chat > > Room > > > >7. Nationally known Pro Staff with monthly columns > > > >6. Hunting tips, techniques and strategies from the experts > > > >5. Visitors' trophy room > > > >4. Prizes > > > >3. World's largest online collection of hunting videos > > available anywhere (with downloadable video clips) > > > >2. Swaps for hunts, gear, etc. > > > >1. It's free. > > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >If you would like to be removed from all future mailings, > >please respond with the word "Remove" in the subject line. -- = =FFWPC=DB=03 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 08:43:02 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 10:46:44 -0500 From: Mike or Norma Briggs Subject: Re: Remove To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <33C10F64.64E6-AT- execpc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: <79487C4CA9A0D01194E400A0242899D6049F65-AT- arch1.empros.com> Soni, Dilip wrote: > = > RE: Visit www.hunting.net > = > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kimberly [SMTP:kimberly-AT- hunting.net] > > Sent: Thursday, July 03, 1997 10:43 PM > > To: kimberly-AT- hunting.net > > Subject: Visit www.hunting.net > > > > http://www.hunting.net > > > > www.hunting.net would like to invite you to visit the world's largest= > > all-hunting website. Visit today and register to win a free deer > > hunting trip. > > > > BE SURE TO ADD THIS TO YOUR BOOKMARK LIST! > > > > The Top 10 reasons why you should visit http://www.hunting.net > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > 10. Outfitter and lodge directory with 1500 listings throughout > > the US and Canada > > > > 9. Hunting information on all types of game (including the > > world's largest online resource for deer and deer hunting.) > > > > 8. Chat with other hunters around the world live in the Chat > > Room > > > > 7. Nationally known Pro Staff with monthly columns > > > > 6. Hunting tips, techniques and strategies from the experts > > > > 5. Visitors' trophy room > > > > 4. Prizes > > > > 3. World's largest online collection of hunting videos > > available anywhere (with downloadable video clips) > > > > 2. Swaps for hunts, gear, etc. > > > > 1. It's free. > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > If you would like to be removed from all future mailings, > > please respond with the word "Remove" in the subject line. > > > > > = > --------------------------------------------------------------- > = > Part 1.2 Type: application/ms-tnef > Encoding: base64 -- = =FFWPC=DB=03 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 08:53:52 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 10:57:34 -0500 From: Mike or Norma Briggs Subject: Re: Remove To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <33C111EE.56B0-AT- execpc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: <1.5.4.16.19970703235905.302769e2-AT- pop.mindspring.com> <33C10D48.5319-AT- execpc.com> Mike or Norma Briggs wrote: > = > m.a.j. mckenna wrote: > > > > At 03:16 AM 7/2/97 -0500, you wrote: > > >http://www.hunting.net > > > > > >www.hunting.net would like to invite you to visit the world's larges= t > > >all-hunting website. Visit today and register to win a free deer > > >hunting trip. > > > > > >BE SURE TO ADD THIS TO YOUR BOOKMARK LIST! > > > > > >The Top 10 reasons why you should visit http://www.hunting.net > > >-------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >10. Outfitter and lodge directory with 1500 listings throughout > > > the US and Canada > > > > > >9. Hunting information on all types of game (including the > > > world's largest online resource for deer and deer hunting.) > > > > > >8. Chat with other hunters around the world live in the Chat > > > Room > > > > > >7. Nationally known Pro Staff with monthly columns > > > > > >6. Hunting tips, techniques and strategies from the experts > > > > > >5. Visitors' trophy room > > > > > >4. Prizes > > > > > >3. World's largest online collection of hunting videos > > > available anywhere (with downloadable video clips) > > > > > >2. Swaps for hunts, gear, etc. > > > > > >1. It's free. > > > > > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >If you would like to be removed from all future mailings, > > >please respond with the word "Remove" in the subject line. > > > > > > > > =3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D= -+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D > > M.A.J. McKenna > > staff writer, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution > > 404.526.5987 vox > > 404.526.5509 fax > > Standard disclaimers apply. > > =3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D= -+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D > = > -- > =FFWPC=DB=03 -- = =FFWPC=DB=03 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 08:54:30 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 10:58:14 -0500 From: Mike or Norma Briggs Subject: Re: Remove To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <33C11216.5D60-AT- execpc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: <79487C4CA9A0D01194E400A0242899D6049F65-AT- arch1.empros.com> <33C10F64.64E6-AT- execpc.com> Mike or Norma Briggs wrote: > = > Soni, Dilip wrote: > > > > RE: Visit www.hunting.net > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Kimberly [SMTP:kimberly-AT- hunting.net] > > > Sent: Thursday, July 03, 1997 10:43 PM > > > To: kimberly-AT- hunting.net > > > Subject: Visit www.hunting.net > > > > > > http://www.hunting.net > > > > > > www.hunting.net would like to invite you to visit the world's large= st > > > all-hunting website. Visit today and register to win a free deer > > > hunting trip. > > > > > > BE SURE TO ADD THIS TO YOUR BOOKMARK LIST! > > > > > > The Top 10 reasons why you should visit http://www.hunting.net > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > 10. Outfitter and lodge directory with 1500 listings throughout > > > the US and Canada > > > > > > 9. Hunting information on all types of game (including the > > > world's largest online resource for deer and deer hunting.) > > > > > > 8. Chat with other hunters around the world live in the Chat > > > Room > > > > > > 7. Nationally known Pro Staff with monthly columns > > > > > > 6. Hunting tips, techniques and strategies from the experts > > > > > > 5. Visitors' trophy room > > > > > > 4. Prizes > > > > > > 3. World's largest online collection of hunting videos > > > available anywhere (with downloadable video clips) > > > > > > 2. Swaps for hunts, gear, etc. > > > > > > 1. It's free. > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > If you would like to be removed from all future mailings, > > > please respond with the word "Remove" in the subject line. > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Part 1.2 Type: application/ms-tnef > > Encoding: base64 > = > -- > =FFWPC=DB=03 -- = =FFWPC=DB=03 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 09:03:49 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 09:01:09 -0700 (PDT) From: HUGH-AT- edsug.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Remove To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <01IKY70L2DUQ000IZQ-AT- UG.EDS.COM> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Please don't bother sending more REMOVE messages to this mailing list. I am suprised kimberly-AT- hunting.net managed to send a message to the mailing list (I assume he is not a member), but your replies are not getting back to him, but they ARE getting to me. I have sent him rude mail asking him to stop annoying us, and also asked him not to spam mailing lists because it causes further annoyance. Feel free to abuse him (or his postmaster), but please don't spam the mailing list. P.S. I've just got the Assembly Players CD Sharon Green was praising, and she's right to praise it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 09:09:00 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 09:06:19 -0700 (PDT) From: HUGH-AT- edsug.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Egg on face To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <01IKY7BQ6X1E000H25-AT- UG.EDS.COM> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Whoops, I just posted >> Please don't bother sending more REMOVE messages to this mailing list. But I've just realised that most of you will probably wonder where it came from. One signature coming up... Hugh Stewart Cambridge UK ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 09:22:07 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 11:32:56 -0500 From: sheilab-AT- tiac.net (Sheila Beardslee Bosworth) Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Remove-a-rama To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" HUGH-AT- edsug.com wrote >Please don't bother sending more REMOVE messages to this mailing list. HEAR! HEAR! Just a patient reminder to all that this list is configured to reply to ITSELF... if you don't want the deer-hunting details (or other junk we occasionally get dumped with, you must send the "remove" message to the SENDER, not to this list.... Clearly, these hunting folks don't read ECD, they've been letter-bombing every list and newsgroup out there.... Hugh also wrote: >I have sent him rude mail asking him to stop annoying us, and also asked >him not to spam mailing lists because it causes further annoyance. Feel free >to abuse him (or his postmaster), but please don't spam the mailing list. I agree about not spamming the list.... feel free to complain to the provider at these addresses postmaster-AT- [domain] abuse-AT- [domain] root-AT- [domain] For those not totally up on internet terms, where [domain] appears you place the address part after the spammer's -AT- It is often helpful to check the FULL header, as some spammers are now disguising their true addresses.. I recently received several messages from a customer at IEMMC (Internet E-Mail Marketing Council), which, as a provider, has its own removal process: If you get junk mail from their customers and wish to be removed from their list[s], you can go to their removal web page at: http://www.iemmc.org/remove.html Your request will become effective within 24 hours. Sheila Beardslee Bosworth sheilab-AT- tiac.net Editor, Boston Early Music News >>next BEMN Deadline 8/15 for Fall Preview issue! WEB Calendar http://www.medieval.org/emfaq/concerts/bemn/ 29 Main Street, Acton MA 01720-3505 voice: 508/263.9926 fax: 508/263.2366 ** Area codes will change to 978 in September '97 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 10:50:02 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 15:12:06 +0000 (UT) From: "S. Ridgway Kennedy" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: REMOVE To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: ---------- From: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu on behalf of bestockp-AT- oz.net Sent: Monday, July 07, 1997 2:39 AM To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Subject: REMOVE >http://www.hunting.net > >www.hunting.net would like to invite you to visit the world's largest >all-hunting website. Visit today and register to win a free deer >hunting trip. > >BE SURE TO ADD THIS TO YOUR BOOKMARK LIST! > >The Top 10 reasons why you should visit http://www.hunting.net >-------------------------------------------------------------- > >10. Outfitter and lodge directory with 1500 listings throughout > the US and Canada > >9. Hunting information on all types of game (including the > world's largest online resource for deer and deer hunting.) > >8. Chat with other hunters around the world live in the Chat > Room > >7. Nationally known Pro Staff with monthly columns > >6. Hunting tips, techniques and strategies from the experts > >5. Visitors' trophy room > >4. Prizes > >3. World's largest online collection of hunting videos > available anywhere (with downloadable video clips) > >2. Swaps for hunts, gear, etc. > >1. It's free. > > >-------------------------------------------------------------- > >If you would like to be removed from all future mailings, >please respond with the word "Remove" in the subject line. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 10:58:01 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 15:04:30 +0000 (UT) From: "S. Ridgway Kennedy" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: Remove To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: ---------- From: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu on behalf of m.a.j. mckenna Sent: Friday, July 04, 1997 12:03 AM To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Subject: Remove At 03:16 AM 7/2/97 -0500, you wrote: >http://www.hunting.net > >www.hunting.net would like to invite you to visit the world's largest >all-hunting website. Visit today and register to win a free deer >hunting trip. > >BE SURE TO ADD THIS TO YOUR BOOKMARK LIST! > >The Top 10 reasons why you should visit http://www.hunting.net >-------------------------------------------------------------- > >10. Outfitter and lodge directory with 1500 listings throughout > the US and Canada > >9. Hunting information on all types of game (including the > world's largest online resource for deer and deer hunting.) > >8. Chat with other hunters around the world live in the Chat > Room > >7. Nationally known Pro Staff with monthly columns > >6. Hunting tips, techniques and strategies from the experts > >5. Visitors' trophy room > >4. Prizes > >3. World's largest online collection of hunting videos > available anywhere (with downloadable video clips) > >2. Swaps for hunts, gear, etc. > >1. It's free. > > >-------------------------------------------------------------- > >If you would like to be removed from all future mailings, >please respond with the word "Remove" in the subject line. > > =-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-= M.A.J. McKenna staff writer, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution 404.526.5987 vox 404.526.5509 fax Standard disclaimers apply. =-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-= ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 11:32:58 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 13:50:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Margaret Whaley <101454.633-AT- CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Fried, Lichfield, Edinburgh, etc! To: ECD Message-ID: <970707175032_101454.633_IHP117-1-AT- CompuServe.COM> I was just going to write you a report on the happenings over here in June, when I found that Sharon Green had beaten me to it! It was lovely to meet her and David. - I agree wholeheartedly with you, Sharon. Lichfield was great - apart from the rain!!! I particularly liked Andrew Shaw's session and Hilary Herbert's - but I always like Andrew's & Hilary's workshops. Yes, Andrew is lovely! - Sooooooo laid back!! - Did you realise about the title of Hilary's dance "Bring a Chair". When Hilary moved to Bristol from Cheshire - they kept telling her they were having a "Bring a Chair" Dance. It wasn't till a long time after she arrived that she realised that they were actually saying "Bring & Share"!! (An American Supper) And what can I add about Edinburgh!! My non-dancing friends couldn't believe we were going all the way to Edinburgh just for the weekend and just for a dance!!! Especially as I had to make a detour to Cambridge on the Friday afternoon for my son's graduation!! (900 miles round trip!!) My reply was "this is NOT just a dance - this is Nic Broadbridge's Ball!!" (I'd go a lot more miles than that to dance all evening to the fabulous A&B - they are super!!!!) Pity you couldn't stay another week, Sharon, as this Saturday we were up at "The House" for a "Pat Shaw Day of Dance" with Marjorie Fennessey calling and Nic & Brian Prentice ("B") playing - Nic plays an accordian that used to belong to Pat Shaw. There were a surprising number there who were up in Edinburgh. Actually, there were only about 24 of us at the workshops during the day, which was a pity, but it did mean that for the first time for several weeks, we had room to move AND dance!!!!!! I was shattered by tea-time. The evening dance was a re-run of the 1996 Edinburgh Ball "Playford from the New World" ( - as Sharon said, Nic's just brought out the recording.) Nic called and A&B played. Another lovely evening! Well, hectic June is over - I've danced to Fried Herman in Cheshire, Somerset, Gloucestershire, Oxfordshire, Hertfordshire, and Staffordshire and enjoyed every moment of it, and been to Scotland "just for a dance". Things tend to wind down in July - we've found a dance in Bedford for this Saturday, and are going over to Buckinghamshire for an impromtu dance with Colin Hume on Tuesday (making the most of him while he's this side of the pond!). We've booked for a weekend at Burton Manor at the end of the month with Hilary Herbert & Peter Andre (that should be fun!), and then of course it's Sidmouth!!! (Are any of you coming?) That only leaves Sat 18th July free. Does anyone know of anything that weekend? Or must I be forced to catch up on all the house-work that I haven't done for the past several weeks!!!!! Margaret Whaley Oxfordshire p.s If any of you read the e-mail from Philippe Callens about the AADS weekend at the end of October near Antwerp with Brad Foster and the Little Tinkers - do try and go, we went last year and had a super weekend! We've already booked for this year and looking forward to it very much, Phillipe. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 15:42:23 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 18:43:45 -0400 From: Gene Murrow Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Local ECD with original instruments??? To: "INTERNET:ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.Stanford.EDU" Message-ID: <199707071843_MC2-1A68-2C2-AT- compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>Does anyone know of any ECD community that is accompanied by ORIGINAL >>instruments? >> >>Like, fiddles, harp, lute, recorders, Viola da Gamba's citterns and the= like? > > >PINEWOODS EARLY MUSIC WEEK....starting on THURSDAY! >Sometimes NYCD uses recorders/viols (Roz Morley plays viol there -- >she's quite wonderful; Gene, don't you play recorder there sometimes?) > > >Sheila Beardslee Bosworth -Are your dances quite sedate and subdued? 'cause we found harp and lute = -to be too quiet for dance music. Lower recorders also failed. These days= = -I use gallician pipes - but they're not elegant! At Pinewoods (and elsewhere, such as the Brattleboro Playford Balls of 19= 82 - 1984 or 85) we use/d sound amplification systems. Of course we use tub= e amplifiers and monaural systems, which is all they had in the 17th Century... ;-) Gene Murrow EC Dancer and stickler for authenticity ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 16:19:01 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 19:20:12 -0400 (EDT) From: webatcheler-AT- juno.com (Wayne Batcheler) Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Remove-a-rama To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <19970707.192052.6991.6.webatcheler-AT- juno.com> References: On Mon, 07 Jul 1997 11:32:56 -0500 sheilab-AT- tiac.net (Sheila Beardslee Bosworth) writes: >If you don't want the deer-hunting details (or other junk we >occasionally get dumped with, you must send the "remove" message >to the SENDER, not to this list.... Why not also return the favor by sending kimberly-AT- hunting.net some items of possible interest? For a starter, I am considering sending a daily installment or two of our extended list traffic on Sir Roger de Coverly after stripping out the original senders' names and composing some appropriate new subject lines to heighten the appeal to someone not necessarily really interested in ECD. Wayne Batcheler New York ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 16:47:09 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 19:49:43 -0500 From: Mary Beth Goodman Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Remove-a-rama To: webatcheler-AT- juno.com (Wayne Batcheler), ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: >Why not also return the favor by sending kimberly-AT- hunting.net some items >of possible interest? For a starter, I am considering sending a daily >installment or two of our extended list traffic on Sir Roger de Coverly >after stripping out the original senders' names and composing some >appropriate new subject lines to heighten the appeal to someone not >necessarily really interested in ECD. > >Wayne Batcheler >New York > Spam not, lest ye be spammed! It's much safer and more productive to complain to the postmaster-AT- ... and abuse-AT- .... Mary Beth ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 19:49:13 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 20:33:21 -0700 From: jcarver-AT- mail.IslandNet.com (John Carver) Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: about hunting.net (no dance content) To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" For your info, since it doesn't seem to have been discussed here much: 1. 'Remove' requests are useless. The spam was sent to ECD, not your own mailbox. And even if it had most spammers ignore remove requests - they only put that in there for appearance of respectability. 2. Attacking the spammer directly can backfire (for many reasons). Don't do it. 3. Complaints to postmaster or anyone else at HUNTING.NET will go only to the spammer. No legitimate internet access provider will see it. Their provider is ICSS.COM, but I wouldn't complain there, either. ICSS is served by AGIS.NET, who have a publicly stated policy supporting Unsolicited Commercial Email (UCE). 4. When I received the mail I simply deleted it, leaving it up to our list owner to deal with it. Why? Firstly because chasing spam isn't a simple task, and secondly because flooding a hard-working (legitimate) ISP's mailbox can create more problems. There is good software available for keeping this stuff off the list. My guess is there's already something in place here, because we don't get very much. Right? John Carver ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 22:19:34 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 22:19:42 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: about hunting.net (no dance content) To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01IKYYWUOY8IA7EBSP-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Actually, the list is configured so that nobody who isn't a subscriber should be able to post. I don't have a log of subscribe/unsubscribe activity, so I can't prove whether hunting.net subscribed, spammed, and unsubscribed or whether they somehow circumvented the protections, which doesn't seem that likely. This did follow my posting SUBSCRIBE directions on rec.folk-dancing pretty recently, so it may have happened. Anyway, I completely endorse what Hugh and John have said -- it's worthless to send "REMOVE" to the list, it's worthless (in this case) to send it directly to the spammer, because it will just tell them that you individually exist, and in this case it's worthless to send to postmaster or abuse -AT- hunting.net. Mighty annoying, in any case. -- Alan =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 415/926-3056 Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA 94309-0210 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 05:11:16 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 08:08:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Margaret Whaley <101454.633-AT- CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Hunting! To: ECD Message-ID: <970708120814_101454.633_IHP110-1-AT- CompuServe.COM> I agree with the general view that the "hunting" e-mails were very annoying - but looking back we only had the one (I think) - the problem has been everybody sending "REMOVE" statements trying to stop it happening and creating lots of unwanted e-mails on the forum to do it!!! Perhaps if we all kept quiet about it - it will go away! Margaret Whaley Oxfordshire ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 08:35:45 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 10:40:10 -0500 From: Mike or Norma Briggs Subject: Re: about hunting.net (no dance content) To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <33C25F5A.177C-AT- execpc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: <01IKYYWUOY8IA7EBSP-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote: > = > Actually, the list is configured so that nobody who isn't a subscriber > should be able to post. I don't have a log of subscribe/unsubscribe > activity, so I can't prove whether hunting.net subscribed, spammed, and= > unsubscribed or whether they somehow circumvented the protections, whic= h > doesn't seem that likely. > = > This did follow my posting SUBSCRIBE directions on rec.folk-dancing pre= tty > recently, so it may have happened. > = > Anyway, I completely endorse what Hugh and John have said -- it's worth= less > to send "REMOVE" to the list, it's worthless (in this case) to send it > directly to the spammer, because it will just tell them that you indivi= dually > exist, and in this case it's worthless to send to postmaster or abuse -AT- = > hunting.net. > = > Mighty annoying, in any case. > = > -- Alan > = > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU > Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 415/92= 6-3056 > Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA 9430= 9-0210 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To all: My apologies for all the trouble and annoyance I must have caused yesterday by simply replying with "remove" in the subject line. I am new at this, but (I hope) learning fast. I assumed (wrongly, of course) that since the "from" line on my screen said that that was where my "remove" instruction would end up. Sorry again. It won't happen again. Mike Briggs (If anyone knows why my version of Netscape appends these strange characters to the end of each outgoing message, please advise me privately. Thanks.) -- = =FFWPC=DB=03 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 20:39:41 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 20:41:21 -0700 (PDT) From: bestockp-AT- oz.net Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: remove To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: <79487C4CA9A0D01194E400A0242899D6049F65-AT- arch1.empros.com> <33C10F64.64E6-AT- execpc.com> >Mike or Norma Briggs wrote: >> >> Soni, Dilip wrote: >> > >> > RE: Visit www.hunting.net >> > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: Kimberly [SMTP:kimberly-AT- hunting.net] >> > > Sent: Thursday, July 03, 1997 10:43 PM >> > > To: kimberly-AT- hunting.net >> > > Subject: Visit www.hunting.net >> > > >> > > http://www.hunting.net >> > > >> > > www.hunting.net would like to invite you to visit the world's largest >> > > all-hunting website. Visit today and register to win a free deer >> > > hunting trip. >> > > >> > > BE SURE TO ADD THIS TO YOUR BOOKMARK LIST! >> > > >> > > The Top 10 reasons why you should visit http://www.hunting.net >> > > -------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > >> > > 10. Outfitter and lodge directory with 1500 listings throughout >> > > the US and Canada >> > > >> > > 9. Hunting information on all types of game (including the >> > > world's largest online resource for deer and deer hunting.) >> > > >> > > 8. Chat with other hunters around the world live in the Chat >> > > Room >> > > >> > > 7. Nationally known Pro Staff with monthly columns >> > > >> > > 6. Hunting tips, techniques and strategies from the experts >> > > >> > > 5. Visitors' trophy room >> > > >> > > 4. Prizes >> > > >> > > 3. World's largest online collection of hunting videos >> > > available anywhere (with downloadable video clips) >> > > >> > > 2. Swaps for hunts, gear, etc. >> > > >> > > 1. It's free. >> > > >> > > >> > > -------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > >> > > If you would like to be removed from all future mailings, >> > > please respond with the word "Remove" in the subject line. >> > > >> > > >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > Part 1.2 Type: application/ms-tnef >> > Encoding: base64 >> >> -- >> =FFWPC=DB=03 > >-- >=FFWPC=DB=03 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 01:25:17 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 04:26:27 -0400 (EDT) From: JohnBerni-AT- aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: REMOVE To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <970709042625_-393133455-AT- emout14.mail.aol.com> ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 04:53:01 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Return-Path: philippe.callens-AT- uia.ua.ac.be Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 13:53:56 +0200 From: Philippe Callens Subject: 3-part settings of tunes To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <33C37BD4.29C9-AT- uia.ua.ac.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Recently there were some messages regarding arrangements of ECD tunes. I'd like to add this next book that wasn't mentioned yet and seems to be worth adding. Playford style / arranged by Dave Brown. - Tewskesbury : Cotswold Music, 1988. - 25 p. - ISBN 1-870635-04-3 It contains three-part arrangements plus chords for many well-known dances: A trip to Paris - Chestnut - Childgrove - Dargason - Gathering Peascods - Goddesses - Hunsdon House - Indian Queen - Jack Pudding (for Step Stately) - Jack's Maggot - Jamaica - Lilli Burlero - Mr. Isaac's Maggot - My Lord Byron's Maggot - Never Love Thee More - Newcastle - Orleans Baffled - Parson's Farewell - Picking Up Sticks - Portsmouth - Ruft Tufty - Sellenger's Round - Saint Martin's - The Phoenix - Queen's Jig. The book is clearly laid-oud. Dave Brown used to play the fiddle with Wild Thyme, but now plays in other combinations. I don't know whether it is still available. Try Cotswold Music at ColtswoldMu-AT- aol.com Philippe Callens ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 05:03:21 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 05:00:42 -0700 (PDT) From: HUGH-AT- edsug.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Try Cotswold Music at cotswoldmusic-AT- ndirect.co.uk To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <01IL0RC562AA001YYV-AT- UG.EDS.COM> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT >> I don't know whether it is still available. Try Cotswold Music at >> ColtswoldMu-AT- aol.com I believe they live at cotswoldmusic-AT- ndirect.co.uk these days ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 06:18:30 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 09:17:51 -0400 From: "Albert A. Blank" Subject: Re: Local ECD with original instruments??? To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU CC: gmurrow-AT- compuserve.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <33C38F7F.7A1F-AT- pop.a001.sprintmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199707071843_MC2-1A68-2C2-AT- compuserve.com> It has been some years since I visited there, but I recall that the ECD group in Knoxville, TN was heavy in period instruments. They also tended to very fast tempi. Anyone know what happened to them? Albert Blank ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 09:37:40 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 15:02:03 +0000 From: bob-AT- hottub.demon.co.uk Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Lichfield Festival & Edinburgh Ball To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <868546999.0519596.0-AT- hottub.demon.co.uk> Sharon Green wrote: > Lichfield Festival was a blast--I just wish we could have cloned ourselves > so that we could have managed to attend all three dances on Friday night. > But we had a lovely time at Fried's Friday dance and came back very excited > about her band that night, WYSIWYG [Rachel Taylor, fiddle, and Fiona > Maurice-Smith, the phenomenal accordionist on All Alive & Face the Music and > other tapes]--I just wish someone could set them up with a tour over here. Fi and Rachel are marvellous, two of our best musicians, and although the tapes are good, nothing compares to Fi playing live. I called at a Christmas party with her last year and, early in the evening made a complete hash of calling one dance and mentioned that I really ought to stick to easy things like 'Blaydon Races'. For the rest of the evening Fi managed to slip a few bars of Blaydon Races into every tune she played. We had Blaydon Races as an American reel, a waltz, a playford tune, the works. When I actually finshed with Blaydon Races she then changed keys every four bars just for the sake of it. ( Disclaimer: I am not in any way advocating this as 'good practice' for the majority of situations but as a one off at a very lighthearted evening it was great fun :-) ) > I also was very excited to meet Hugh Stewart & Margaret Whaley from the > list, and to hang out with Boston & London's jet-setting Colin Hume, who is > probably now ahead of me in frequent flyer miles, but just you wait, as well > as to re-meet John Sweeney, who'd come through our New York dance shortly > after the New York Times article appeared and had gotten to see us at our > most crazed. I seem to be about the only Brit on the list who didn't get to meet you at Lichfield. Maybe another year. > Hilary Herbert mixing contras & English & squares, > oh my, in an eclectic tea dance set. This is fairly standard practice over here. we don't have the same division between squares, contra and English as seems to happen in the US. > Sunday the workshops were once again grand. We were particularly blown away > by Andrew Shaw, who manages to be erudite [Walsh, 1710, was the workshop > topic; Andrew specializes in 17th & 18th centure dance], good-humored, and > laid back [are you *sure* this man is English?] and leads people through > complex dances clearly and expeditiously. Those of you already thinking > about staffing next summer's camps and schools, ask around about Andrew, > because we think he'd do just fine with an American crowd. He's ours and if you get him over the Atlantic we want him back :-) Bob ---------------------------------------------------------- -- Bob Archer bob-AT- hottub.demon.co.uk ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 18:08:26 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 18:09:45 -0700 From: giovanni de amici Subject: bibliography? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <33C587D9.2A1D-AT- trw.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hallo everyone. this posting follows directly from my lst one of a couple weeks ago. It looks as if a series of ECD will indeed be restarted in LA (that is Los Angeles, not Louisiana) next fall [we are keeping our collective fingers crossed on that one :-) ], and I have one question for all the experienced callers/teachers/musicians out there. When we put together our collection of ECD-related books, between dance manager and caller and musicians we have (some of these in multiple copies): Porter and Heffer: the Apted Book Shaw: ECD book vol 1-6 (but NOT the volume of tunes) Millar: Elizabethan Dances Millar: Dances of Colonial America Cook and Grainger: Come let's be merry Cook and Grainger: Again let's be merry Heffer and Porter: Maggott Pie VanWinkle-Keller and Shimer: the Playford Ball Cook: Packington's Pound Barnes: ECD tunes book and a few scattered sheets (containing dances and tunes) from the CDSS newsletter. Is there any other collection of tunes and dances we SHOULD have? With the CDSS store catalog in front of me, and so much to chose from, where do I start in order to expand our collection? Books with easy dances and tunes are clearly preferred, given the 'beginner' status of most of the expected dancers. Thank you for your help. Giovanni De Amici g.deamici-AT- trw.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 04:52:19 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 10:55:08 +0000 From: bob-AT- hottub.demon.co.uk Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Numbering of square sets To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <868620760.1310711.0-AT- hottub.demon.co.uk> Recently on the Scottish dance list I asked if anyone knew why Scottish square sets are numbered clockwise whereas English and American square sets are numbered anti clockwise. No one actually seemed to know why the difference had arisen although there was some interesting conversation about widdershins being unlikely, which I've also heard as an explanation as to why we usually circle left first. Anyway, I've just looked at my reprints of "The Country Dance Book" Part III (first published 1912) and Playford's "English Dancing Master" (first published 1651) and they both show the square dance "Hyde Park" as being numbered clockwise, i.e. the _opposite_ way round to English square dances today. So, does anyone know when or why the change happened? I know it's an "angels dancing on the head of a pin" question :-) Bob ---------------------------------------------------------- -- Bob Archer bob-AT- hottub.demon.co.uk ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 11:32:36 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 11:32:32 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: bibliography? To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01IL3UDUKBJMAEKSCP-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Folks -- Giovanni says, basically: We have: >Porter and Heffer: the Apted Book >Shaw: ECD book vol 1-6 (but NOT the volume of tunes) >Millar: Elizabethan Dances >Millar: Dances of Colonial America >Cook and Grainger: Come let's be merry >Cook and Grainger: Again let's be merry >Heffer and Porter: Maggott Pie >VanWinkle-Keller and Shimer: the Playford Ball >Cook: Packington's Pound >Barnes: ECD tunes book >and a few scattered sheets (containing dances and tunes) from the CDSS >newsletter. What should we get? and I'll give some of my opinions here, off the top of my head. Actually, if this list had a FAQ, the answer to this question should be here, even if the question isn't frequently asked. (Let's rephrase the question as: What's a basic, functional ECD library?) I invite further comment and disagreement. (various editors for different volumes): The Community Dances Manuals; get the one-volume compilation. Bouncy, catchy village dances, with jigs and reels for music. Also waltz country dances, big circle formations, etc. *essential*, unless you're absolutely committed to nothing but Playford-style. Descriptions are pretty clear; glossary in the back is very helpful. Mildly amusing unconscious sexism in descriptions -- dancers are "men" and "girls". Sharp (et al), The Country Dance Book (except for the volume about Kentucky running sets, but since in my copy it's bound with another volume, it's hard to avoid). Dance descriptions in amazing detail still managing not to be completely transparent. Certainly a seminal work; contains some cool dances not otherwise in print (like "From Aberdeen.") Bentley, Bernard J, "The Fallibroome Collection", which I think is up to 6 volumes. Many of the best dances from Fallibroome have been gathered into "The Playford Ball", but there are still a few gems unused. Around here, we don't usually do more than more than two or three dances from each volume. Can't remember the exact titles, but if you think you'll find "Dances of Colonial America" useful, you should get the Morrison and Keller&Sweet Early American volumes. The cotillions there are easier to make work, I think the descriptions are clearer, and Morrison at least gives you both more social context and more and clearer footwork discussion. The Hendrickson edition of the Griffiths Early American dances is exemplary. Extremely clear dance descriptions (including beat counts where ambiguous), big clear print, etc. However, the dances aren't so well-known that not having them in your library presents a conspicuous lack. Good book, maybe not basic. Get the Barnes "A Little Couple Dancemusik" tune book as well. Great source for waltzes, polkas, hambos, etc -- all stuff that turns up at ECD pretty often. Colin Hume's "Dances With A Difference" series each contain some modern classics. I didn't think "Dance Search" was terrifically interesting. For your purposes you don't need "Squares With A Difference", and "Playford With A Difference", while extremely interesting, is probably not part of the basic library for a EFDSS/CDSS-style dance series. I don't have any of the Charles Bolton books, so can't speak to their general utility. You should really get some Fried Herman material, at least "Ease and Elegance" (the most recent one, which has a lot of advice for teachers including things like structuring programs when you don't know what kind of turnout you're going to have, dances from an out-of-print collection, and a cumulative index of her dance books to date, so you can tell where to find a particular dance of hers). I don't think you can get those through CDSS and have to order directly; I don't have the info here. Hope this helps! -- Alan =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 415/926-3056 Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA 94309-0210 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 11:34:38 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 11:34:34 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: Numbering of square sets To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01IL3XMYZ7SOAEKSCP-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Bob -- Just to be difficult, I'll point out that English quadrilles were numbered 1 3 4 2 as recently as 1815, so there really is no uniform standard by country. -- Alan =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 415/926-3056 Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA 94309-0210 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 11:51:09 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 13:53:05 -0500 (CDT) From: FORBES-AT- GEORGE.BAKERU.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: bibliography? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <970711135305.3143-AT- GEORGE.BAKERU.EDU> Caveat Emptor re" items listed in the basic ECD bibliography Colin Hume employs some very interesting, often suspect harmonies. John Millar, the former Naval Historian, must be used with EXTREME caution!! Forbes/Baker University ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 17:09:47 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 20:13:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Will Linden Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Numbering of square sets To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 11 Jul 1997 bob-AT- hottub.demon.co.uk wrote: > Recently on the Scottish dance list I asked if anyone knew why > Scottish square sets are numbered clockwise whereas English and > American square sets are numbered anti clockwise. No one actually > seemed to know why the difference had arisen although there was some > interesting conversation about widdershins being unlikely, which I've > also heard as an explanation as to why we usually circle left first. Some of us suspect that it is a deliberate conspiracy which makes English and Scots forms just similar enough to drive one to distraction! Will Linden wlinden-AT- panix.com http://www.panix.com/~wlinden/ Magic Code: MAS/GD S++ W++ N+ PWM++ Ds/r+ A-> a++ C+ G- QO++ 666 Y ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 17:17:19 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 20:21:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Will Linden Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: question on "Bill Of Rights" To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 7 Jul 1997, Paul J. Stamler wrote: > > > On Sun, 6 Jul 1997, Rich Galloway wrote: > > > BTW, Bill of Rights is from Thompson'a Volume III published in 1773, > > so it was not a reference to the first 10 amendments to the U.S. > > Constitution. > > Apparently not--but does anyone on the list know to what it *was* > referring? My curiosity is piqued. There was an English "Bill of Rights", I think issued after the "Revolution" of 1690. ("...and would have been a Jesuit, but for the Revolution.") Will Linden wlinden-AT- panix.com http://www.panix.com/~wlinden/ Magic Code: MAS/GD S++ W++ N+ PWM++ Ds/r+ A-> a++ C+ G- QO++ 666 Y ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 17:20:29 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 17:20:24 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Off to Mendocino To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01IL49QCX4FMAEKSCP-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Folks -- Your friendly list administrator speaking. I'm off to Mendocino English Week tomorrow morning, and will be electronically unconnected until 7/21. Don't break anything while I'm gone, and play nice. -- Alan =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 415/926-3056 Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA 94309-0210 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 11:29:56 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 13:05:02 -0500 From: Charlene Charette Subject: Re: bibliography? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <33C7C74E.7B00-AT- flash.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <970711135305.3143-AT- GEORGE.BAKERU.EDU> FORBES-AT- GEORGE.BAKERU.EDU wrote: > John Millar, the former Naval Historian, must be used with EXTREME caution!! I'm familiar with the problems of using Millar for dance history, but how is he has a naval historian (my husband's current interest)? --Charlene ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 16:34:20 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 19:36:47 -0400 (EDT) From: JohnBerni-AT- aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Re: bibliography? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <970712193647_-2044590539-AT- emout10.mail.aol.com> From John Ramsay in St Louis concerning a basic bibliography... I can't get along without Country Dance Index, an index to sources of English and American Country Dances by Peter Rogers and published cooperatively between Christmas Country Dance School, Berea KY and CDSS. Third edition is 1986. Has Peter updated it? It should be updated every five years, the way new material keeps coming up! With the Index, one can look up most EC dances and find out where to locate instructions, printed music, and recordings. In the same vein, Dorothy Grossman's An Index to Printed Sources of Folk Dance Tunes from the United States and British Isles, is an incredible work. Dorothy has compiled an alphabetized list of more than10,000 tunes (with notation for the first few bars of each) from close to 160 sources. Full bibliographic entries are give for each source (itself a valuable list). The tunes are cross-referenced for those cases where the same tune has different names or the same name has different tunes. Dorothy self-published this work. Her address is 1031 E. Breckenridge St. Louisville KY 40204 altho CDSS may have some copies for sale. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 16:34:22 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 19:36:52 -0400 (EDT) From: JohnBerni-AT- aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Numbering of square sets To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <970712193651_409998901-AT- emout12.mail.aol.com> From John Ramsay in St Louis concerning numbering squares... Danish quadrilles, which share the same heritage as the British squares, today number head couples as 1 and 2 and side couples 3 (to the right) and 4 (to the left) of number 1 (who has backs toward the music). But an interesting aside--back in the early 70's the Danes were just delving into the longways formation, "row dances" as they call them and were having a dickens of a time figuring out about progressions. Dances were often formed "improper" as we would say. I don't know what the original Danish sources had in their notations. A Swedish dancer told me that men being on the left and women on the right is due to the ancient church custom of the men holding the warm South side of the old stone churches while the women were relegated to the North. Since churches faced east, the men were on the right and the women on the left until marriage when they turned around to be presented as a couple to the congregation, putting the man on the left of his partner and the woman on the right. What are the customs in Australia and former British possessions around the world and also in Europe? Comparisons may show some patterns. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 03:18:34 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 06:18:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Margaret Whaley <101454.633-AT- CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Bibliography To: ECD Message-ID: <970713101850_101454.633_IHP76-1-AT- CompuServe.COM> John Ramsay in St Louis concerning a basic bibliography writes:-. Quote: "I can't get along without Country Dance Index, an index to sources of English and American Country Dances by Peter Rogers and published cooperatively between Christmas Country Dance School, Berea KY and CDSS." "In the same vein, Dorothy Grossman's An Index to Printed Sources of Folk Dance Tunes from the United States and British Isles, is an incredible work............." Unquote. ------ What we real need is a Dancing Database!! Wouldn't it be wonderful to have *all* this information at our fiinger tips on CD Rom I have all sorts of wild sentences which start "When I retire......................... - and this is one of them! Margaret Whaley Oxfordshire "Work is the curse of the Dancing Classes" ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 06:23:30 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 08:21:31 +0000 From: sdean-AT- mhv.net Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Q: Dances, things to see in UK To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199707131331.JAA21035-AT- marvin.ulster.net> Two women I know are going over to England and Western Ireland in the approximate time frame 7/28 - 8/15. One of them is a Morris Dancer and ECD enthusiast. Anyone have suggestions for things to do/see in wasy of ECD, Morris or Ritual in that time frame? // "...dreams...life: they're the same, or life isn't worth living" // from Marcel Karne's Children of Paradise // // Stewart Dean Kingston, NY 12401 voice: 336-4815, fax: -2649 sdean-AT- mhv.net ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 06:33:05 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Return-Path: bolker-AT- phoenix.Princeton.EDU Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 09:34:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Susie Lorand Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: bibliography? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 12 Jul 1997 JohnBerni-AT- aol.com wrote: > From John Ramsay in St Louis concerning a basic bibliography... [snip] > In the same vein, Dorothy Grossman's An Index to Printed Sources of Folk > Dance Tunes from the United States and British Isles, is an incredible work. > Dorothy has compiled an alphabetized list of more than10,000 tunes (with > notation for the first few bars of each) from close to 160 sources. Full > bibliographic entries are give for each source (itself a valuable list). The > tunes are cross-referenced for those cases where the same tune has different > names or the same name has different tunes. Dorothy self-published this > work. Her address is 1031 E. Breckenridge St. Louisville KY 40204 altho > CDSS may have some copies for sale. i just found a copy in the cdss bookstore at english & american week at buffalo gap. if it isn't in the cdss catalogue (which isn't unpacked yet), it should be. cheers, susie lorand back in princeton, nj, and already missing camp... ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 04:07:33 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Return-Path: philippe.callens-AT- uia.ua.ac.be Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 13:10:05 +0200 From: Philippe Callens Subject: on line database To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU CC: aads-AT- club.innet.be Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <33CA090D.1424-AT- uia.ua.ac.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Margaret Whaley wrote: " What we real need is a Dancing Database!! Wouldn't it be wonderful to have *all* this information at our fiinger tips on CD Rom" Oh well, I am so happy this is idea mentioned on the list. For a few years now, the idea of having a database of English country dances on line has been going through my head. Such a database could include name of dance, meter, formation, original source, interpretation, recordings of the tune etc. I really know what I am talking about. Going through lots and lots of books again to find some dance ... and still miss valuable information. Memory is limited! In Holland, Ruud Wilders who takes care of the NVS Archives has done a good job but his time is limited and the database (which is available on a floppy or as hard copy) isn't updated. Mike Richardson and another fellow from Seattle *have* a database for squares and contras. "American country dances on line" it is called and contains the notation for each dance. That could be an example. See http://www.scar.rad.washington.edu/dances/ Since the Internet is bringing people together whose interest is geographically widely spread, developing such a database would be a great opportunity for some international project. Where are the computer people on this list? Alan Winston (?), Bob Archer, who else? Who can provide a server somewhere? We also need some people with good sense for bibliographic references (e.g. library people - I am one of those; who else?) Putting in the data can be done by several people. Time that some one does this all at home for a private database has gone by. Let's cooperate. Moreover, I feel that societies as EFDSS, CDSS, AADS, NVS, ... should collaborate in one way or another. Philippe Callens Antwerp, Belgium ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 06:09:37 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 08:11:39 -0500 (CDT) From: FORBES-AT- GEORGE.BAKERU.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: bibliography? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <970714081139.4052-AT- GEORGE.BAKERU.EDU> I have no idea of the quality of Millar's Naval History expertise. I do believe he has taught the subject at the college or university level. Stop in at your local library and have them check Millar out on the OCLC list. You can get a run on his writings in that area. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 06:35:42 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 09:38:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Mary2dance-AT- aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Men on the left To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <970714093826_-759832934-AT- emout19.mail.aol.com> John Ramsay wrote: ...A Swedish dancer told me that men being on the left and women on the right is due to the ancient church custom of the men holding the warm South side ... I was told that the lady walked on the non-dog, non-sword side of the gentleman. The church positioning seems a little forced to me. If the congregation was segragated during the service, the women would all be on the left (facing the altar), which would mean that the gentleman had "handed the lady across" to her chair. They would, however, be correctly placed for the walk home. (Don't forget to collect your sword from the porch!) Mary Luckhardt ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 08:18:58 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 11:21:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Jackson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: on line database To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199707141521.LAA15809-AT- waters.sanders.lockheed.com> I have been kicking this idea around in my head for weeks now. I think the ideal would be an on-line server with - dance title - formation - music info (time sig, key, # bars, etc.) - level of difficulty?, - a pointer to the source of the dance, - some keywords about figures included, - Editorial comments about the dance Could the dance instructions be included? I think there would be major copyright issues involved. I think this type of database would be a great help to callers putting together a program. I would be happy to contribute my time and energy to such a project, unfortunately the Lockheed Martin company is unlikely to let me use any of their servers. Rich Jackson ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 11:58:57 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 15:00:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "Hanny D. Budnick" <74031.77-AT- CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Fried for (F)all To: ECD list Message-ID: <970714190040_74031.77_BHT127-1-AT- CompuServe.COM> Hi all - You've read about Fried de Metz Herman's tour of England - now you can come to the first Fried for (F)all! On September 5 - 7, 1997 Fried will present a weekend of English Country Dancing (mostly her own) to the music of A Joyful Noise (Barbara Greenberg, Dan Beerbohm, Kathy Talvitie) at a conference center near Philadelphia, PA. Total cost (Friday dinner to after lunch on Sunday and EVERYTHING in between) is $ 125. Email (asap) to 76416.276-AT- compuserve.com gets you further details. Since this is a first attempt at a residential weekend in our area, and since the deposit date for the facility is approaching fast: if you intend to come to the weekend, PLEASE commit yourself before the end of July! And for you dance gypsies: on September 3rd the Germantown Country Dancers start their fall season, and on September 4th the Thursday Night Contra is dancing... Hanny Budnick, Philadelphia, PA ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 12:57:43 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 16:05:26 -0400 From: peggyl-AT- netdepot.com (Peggy Lamberson) Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Wibsey Roundabout To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199707142006.QAA13180-AT- jupiter.netdepot.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <33C587D9.2A1D-AT- trw.com> Hi all, Does anyone have the instructions to "Wibsey Roundabout"? Someone told me it was published in the CDSS newsletter in 1994, but it's not in either of the two '94 issues that I still have. A friend of mine who's in love with the tune really wants to do the dance. If someone could email me the instructions, I'd be most grateful! Peggy Lamberson peggyl-AT- netdepot.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 13:47:40 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 16:49:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Benjamin Stein <102510.477-AT- CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Data Base To: English Message-ID: <970714204934_102510.477_HHM61-1-AT- CompuServe.COM> I like the proposed listing of dances but, like the author, I have some questions about the "level of difficulty" classification. It really needs to be broken down into at least four different catagories. 1. Level of difficulty so far as spacial orientation is concerned. 2. Level of difficulty so far as technique is concerned 3. Physical level of diffiuclty. 4. Challenge for memorization. Let me illustrate with some traditional contra dances and English Country Dances. Lady of the Lake is very easy so far as either technique or spacial orientation are concerned but, with 16 bars of swinging, half not with partners, in every 32 it is extremely difficult physically for older dancers. Money Musk is very simple in spacial configuration and physically not challenging but for those with limited knowledge and poor timing the 24 bar version is very difficult. Juice of Barley is an "easy" dance for newcomers but with its fast circling has "difficult" aspects for physically challenged dancers. Step Stately in contrast is a difficult dance in technique, spacial orientation and particulatly in memorization but is physically rather easy. In short-Level of difficulty is in itself a difficult criterium to classify. Ben Stein Burlington, Vermont USA 102510.477-AT- Compuserve.Com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 15:34:06 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 18:38:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Praetzel Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: on line database To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199707142238.SAA30027-AT- sca.uwaterloo.ca> Content-Type: text Rich Jackson wrote: > I think the ideal would be an on-line server with > - dance title > - formation ... Search engines could be written easily enough. Wish I had time for it. > I would be happy to contribute my time and energy to such a project, > unfortunately the Lockheed Martin company is unlikely to let me use > any of their servers. Well, in some ways that is no problem. I've got a server if you've got the data :) I would be partial to text-based database where people could email in dances and they'd be tacked onto the database. For now all that would matter was coming up with a list of good fields to break the information into. Any modifications later could be done via software. Adding extra fields after the fact would be no problem. Making it web-searchable would be easy enough (I've seen it done and can imagine how to do it; but have not had the time to actually do it). A "difficulty" field would be interesting. I remember going to a class called "And you thought English Country was easy?" :) I've seen easy tripple minors and ones that had dance addicts barely getting it down after a lot of walk-thrus and many repeats of the music. I'd propose a 3 difficulty level; the no-brainer; medium and ouch-my-head- hurts. I can't see people needing many more shades of gray and this would reduce the list a fair bit without driving the difficulty-ranker up a wall. Of course we'd need the "fun" rating as well. If I'm not going to get in a gypsy with my partner on every repeat and a good swing with every other woman within reach; well; what is the point? Perhaps the scales could include who_was_my_partner?, ahh_there_you_are_again and gypsy_and_never_let_go (tongue heavily in my cheek!). - Eric http://sca.uwaterloo.ca ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 19:04:52 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 22:06:54 -0400 (EDT) From: "Susan R. Murrow" <75272.730-AT- CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Wibsey Roundabout To: "INTERNET:ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.Stanford.EDU" Message-ID: <970715020654_75272.730_GHI96-1-AT- CompuServe.COM> Hi Peggy, and all : "Wibsey Roundabout" is an unusual and delightful dance devised by Gary Roodman and is published in his 1996 collection of dances, entitled, "Some Further Calculated Figures" The tune was written by O'Carolan -- O great composer of memorable tunes! ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 21:17:08 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 00:20:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "m.a.j. mckenna" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Fried for (F)all To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970715001411.23f75518-AT- pop.mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" disconsolate Southerners, take heart: if you can't afford the $$$ for Philly, come to Atlanta for ECDA's annual ball weekend and dance to Jacqueline Schwab-Earl Gaddis-Daron Douglas and the fabulous Bruce Hamilton! (sorry Hanny. :-} ) maryn mckenna atlanta, ga., but not in any official capacity, no sir. At 03:00 PM 7/14/97 -0400, you wrote: >Hi all - > You've read about Fried de Metz Herman's tour of England - now you can come to >the first > Fried for (F)all! > > On September 5 - 7, 1997 Fried will present a weekend of English Country >Dancing (mostly her own) to the music of > > A Joyful Noise (Barbara Greenberg, Dan Beerbohm, Kathy Talvitie) > >at a conference center near Philadelphia, PA. Total cost (Friday dinner to after >lunch on Sunday and EVERYTHING in between) is $ 125. Email (asap) to >76416.276-AT- compuserve.com gets you further details. >Since this is a first attempt at a residential weekend in our area, and since >the deposit date for the facility is approaching fast: if you intend to come to >the weekend, PLEASE commit yourself before the end of July! > >And for you dance gypsies: on September 3rd the Germantown Country Dancers start >their fall season, and on September 4th the Thursday Night Contra is dancing... > >Hanny Budnick, Philadelphia, PA > > > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 03:52:02 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Return-Path: philippe.callens-AT- uia.ua.ac.be Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 12:53:26 +0200 From: Philippe Callens Subject: Re: Wibsey Roundabout To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <33CB56A6.1777-AT- uia.ua.ac.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <970715020654_75272.730_GHI96-1-AT- CompuServe.COM> It has been published in the CDSS News but don't use that version because a further developed one appeared in Gary Roodman's third book (which is worth purchasing). It is a nice dance that pleases about every sort of dancer. Philippe Callens ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:04:49 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 11:12:32 -0400 From: peggyl-AT- netdepot.com (Peggy Lamberson) Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Wibsey Roundabout To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199707151513.LAA00091-AT- jupiter.netdepot.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <970715020654_75272.730_GHI96-1-AT- CompuServe.COM> Susan R. Murrow (Mon, 14 Jul 1997 22:06:54 -0400 (EDT)): >Hi Peggy, and all : > >"Wibsey Roundabout" is an unusual and delightful dance >devised by Gary Roodman and is published in his 1996 >collection of dances, entitled, "Some Further Calculated Figures" Thanks... Would you happen to know the publisher/ISBN? Atlanta is a wasteland as far as finding such books is concerned, so I'll have to special-order it. TIA, Peggy Lamberson ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:21:02 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 11:22:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Benjamin Stein <102510.477-AT- CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Data base To: English Message-ID: <970715152224_102510.477_HHM59-1-AT- CompuServe.COM> Eric's comments on "level of difficulty" and "fun rating" provide an unconcious complement to my previous comments. I for one don't need a gypsy on every possible occassion and, at almost 75, find a lot of swinging to be painful. Besides, I always did think that a lot of swinging often interrupted the flow of the dance. Personally my tastes for fun go more to dances like Kelstern Gardens where the flow carries over from one repeat to the next and the interesting musical phrasing of 8bars,8bars,6bars,6bars only adds to the joy. As to "diffiuclty" perhaps the solution would be to break down the heading into 1. Complexity 2. Technical difficulty 3. Physical stress 4. Difficulty in memorization Obviously, from the differences in just our two points of view, both "Fun" and "Difficulty rating" are very subjective-and that is the problem! Ben Stein Burlington, Vt USA 102510.477-AT- Compuserve.Com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:36:06 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 15:51:20 +0000 From: bob-AT- hottub.demon.co.uk Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Classifying dances To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <868980231.094363.0-AT- hottub.demon.co.uk> Eric Praetzel wrote: > Of course we'd need the "fun" rating as well. If I'm not going to get > in a gypsy with my partner on every repeat and a good swing with every > other woman within reach; well; what is the point? Perhaps the scales > could include who_was_my_partner?, ahh_there_you_are_again and > gypsy_and_never_let_go (tongue heavily in my cheek!). I've always wanted to divide dances into "those to do with someone who you really want to dance with" ( lots of partner swings, gypsies whatever) and "those to do with someone who you feel you have to dance with for politeness sake but would rather not" (mixers, dances without much partner interaction). I've never dared announce this at a dance because I think it might cause quite a lot of trouble ("So, you only asked me because you don't have to see much of me during this dance!"). When I was about 14 I was at a dance that my father was calling and, after half an evenings worth of indecision I plucked up courage to ask this girl who I really fancied to dance. He then called Lucky Seven (a mixer). I got to dance with her for 16 bars then she was whisked away to the other side of the room. I still haven't forgiven him for that :-) Bob ---------------------------------------------------------- -- Bob Archer bob-AT- hottub.demon.co.uk ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:55:53 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 15:36:54 +0000 From: bob-AT- hottub.demon.co.uk Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: on line database To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <868980231.094362.0-AT- hottub.demon.co.uk> Since this idea seems to be gathering pace I shall throw in a few random comments: I seem to recall that someone had already put Playford's Dancing Master on the web (although I'm not sure if it was in an easily searchable format). There is already an index of dances that have been published. It's called "What was that dance?" and was published by Bob Howe and (I think) Freida Macintosh a few years ago. It is my first reference when looking up unknown dances. It is just a list of dance titles and the books they have been published in, it does not include dance notations. I have a feeling that this was originally prepared on computer. If we wish to include dances that are currently available in printed collections by people such as Colin Hume, Tom Cook, the Wrights, Fried de Metz Herman, Gary Roodman etc. are we going to run into copyright problems. Hugh, I know you looked into this when putting together your contras site - can you comment at all? Unfortunately I don't have server space to contribute - can anyone from a friendly university help? Bob ---------------------------------------------------------- -- Bob Archer bob-AT- hottub.demon.co.uk ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 09:23:16 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 17:28:29 +0000 (BRITAIN) From: HUGH-AT- SDL.UG.EDS.COM Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: on line database To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <01IL9V7WUV6Q00009X-AT- SDL.UG.EDS.COM> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT About 3 years ago Rhod Davies (now rhod-AT- esoft.co.uk) had the source to "What was that dance" (plus extensions he had typed in) in a relational database / series of flat files. The main table went from "L" For Leather|0|0|jack_be_nimble|p7| "See Yer Thursday"|0|0|the_stafford_ruby_collection|p6| 'Simmons|0|0|handy_play_party_book|p64| 'Twas O'er The Hills And Far Away|0|0|retreads_2|n16| (Side Order To The Bps)|0|0|lullaby_of_the_swing|| 18th Of January|0|0|why_not_dance_with_me|| 1st Figure Of Overaker Suite|0|0|why_not_dance_with_me|| 1st Set Quadrilles|0|0|old_tyme_dancing|p60| 25th Of January, The|0|0|everybodys_doing_it|p7| 285-4673|0|0|crossing_the_cascades|p1| 292-0489|0|0|dizzy_dances_3|p22| and continued for 9000 odd lines until it finished with Zephyrs And Flora|0|0|fallibroome_2|?| Zephyrs And Flora|0|0|the_playford_ball|p109| Zest Contra's Portland Fancy|0|0|zesty_contras|n864| Zetsko Kolo|0|0|dances_of_yugoslavia|p26| Zevenspron, De|0|0|dances_of_the_netherlands|p36| Zeybekiko|0|0|folk_dances_of_the_greeks|p64| Zig Zag Thru - Around The Ring|0|0|the_american_cowboy_square_dance_book|p28| Zip A Dee Doo Dah|0|0|singing_squares|nA4| Zombie Reel|0|0|occasional_dances|p11| Zombies Of Sugar Hill, The|0|0|dizzy_dances_2|p3| Zorn's Whirligig|0|0|zesty_contras|n469| Zupcanka|0|0|dances_of_yugoslavia|p23| `O' Gron, Yr|0|0|llangadfan_fach|| I don't think there are any copyright issues over publishing an index to peoples dances; obviously publishing the dances themselves could upset anyone who plans to make their fortune by selling books of their dances. Rhod is happy to supply copies of his files (I expect they are still there on his http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/users/rhod/dance/index.html Manchester University pages), but he is now busy in the real world and has neither the time nor web space to support any major campaign. I think if someone has the time and web space then this would be a good starting point, but it would take a lot of effort to get going properly, and would turn into a long term commitment. On the other hand, as has been said, it would indeed be a useful public service. (I think someone has already mentioned the Russell Owen / Mike Richardson Contra dance server at http://www.scar.rad.washington.edu/dances/ where they are (with the author's permission) accumulating contra dances rather than merely indexing them.) Hugh Stewart Cambridge UK (My mail address is hugh-AT- sdl.ug.eds.com, not the truncated version my network connection is currently supplying) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 09:36:49 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 12:39:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Jackson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Data base To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199707151639.MAA16601-AT- waters.sanders.lockheed.com> > Ben Stein writes: > As to "diffiuclty" perhaps the solution would be to break down the heading into > 1. Complexity > 2. Technical difficulty > 3. Physical stress > 4. Difficulty in memorization > Ok, I knew this would open a can of worms, but it is the only subjective part of the list of items I presented. So I suppose if we can come up with a reasonable definition of "difficulty", the rest will be easy. I can see separating physically difficult dances from mentally difficult dances, but does't "complexity" imply "technical difficulty" imply "difficulty in memorization"? And if they are really different, couldn't we lump them together for data base purposes into a level of mentally challenging"? Rich Jackson ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 11:10:53 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Return-Path: bolker-AT- phoenix.Princeton.EDU Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 14:13:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Susie Lorand Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Sum Further Calculated Figures (Gary Roodman's 3rd? book of dances) To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 15 Jul 1997, Peggy Lamberson wrote: > Would you happen to know the publisher/ISBN? Atlanta is a wasteland as > far as finding such books is concerned, so I'll have to special-order > it. > > TIA, > > Peggy Lamberson i just checked the cdss catalogue, and you can order it from them. (probably with a discount, if you're a member.) - susie lorand ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 12:05:12 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 14:06:54 -0500 (CDT) From: FORBES-AT- GEORGE.BAKERU.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: on line database To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <970715140654.3721-AT- GEORGE.BAKERU.EDU> A basic list of the Dancing Master collections can be obtained through a resource called the National Tune Index. Contact Kate Van Winkle Keller for further details. I have set up my own index which has the following: Collection by date/page Title Formation Time Signature Number of sections/Measures in Each Mode (a mis-application of the old Modal System) Whether included in the Sharp publications (Country Dance Book, parts 2,3,4, and 6) It needs a touch of cleaning up. The difference between this work and, for example, the Barlow work: this includes tunes without dance directions and includes Parts 1 (1-18 and extra little collections) Parts 2 (1-4) and Part 3 (only copy known). I also have alternate titels listed. Sellenger's Round is listed under that title as well as "The Beginning of the World) It's ready to go except for a little tidying up--by I would want to think long and hard before issuing it the list membership (or any other list for that matter) Forbes/Baker University ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 12:13:06 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 15:15:28 -0400 From: Barbara Ruth Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Classifying dances To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: Reply to: RE>Classifying dances Bob Archer wrote: I've always wanted to divide dances into "those to do with someone who you really want to dance with" ( lots of partner swings, gypsies whatever) and "those to do with someone who you feel you have to dance with for politeness sake but would rather not" (mixers, dances without much partner interaction). I've never dared announce this at a dance .... ---------------- My friend, former room-mate and current Morris Squire, Andrew, refers to those in the latter category as "Ugly Cousin Dances". . . ;) Barbara Ruth New Haven, CT ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 12:51:04 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 15:50:01 -0400 From: Barbara Ruth Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: English dancing at camp To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: Reply to: English dancing at camp susie lorand wrote: i just found a copy in the cdss bookstore at english & american week at buffalo gap..... cheers, susie lorand back in princeton, nj, and already missing camp... ------------------------------------------------- You're not the only one feeling that way, Susie. My body is in shock over getting up and spending hours in front of a computer screen, when it is used to starting out with three hours of vigorous exercise before lunch alone! Whew, this sitting still is tiring. Thanks to Sue Dupre for setting up such a terrific week of dance and music. Happily English week at Pinewoods is coming up, so I have some solace to look forward to. Phillippe, is there any chance of working on "Dutch Crossing" as an advanced English dance? I did it once with Kathy Anderson calling, and the music played as a Southern-style square. It was fantastic, but I've wanted to try it as a real English dance ever since. Barbara Ruth New Haven, CT ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 13:41:04 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 16:43:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Arnold Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: English dancing at camp To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 15 Jul 1997, Barbara Ruth wrote: > Happily English week at Pinewoods is coming up, so I have some solace to look > forward to. Phillippe, is there any chance of working on "Dutch Crossing" as an > advanced English dance? I did it once with Kathy Anderson calling, and the > music played as a Southern-style square. It was fantastic, but I've wanted to > try it as a real English dance ever since. That's a dance we ought to be able to do on our own; it's pretty much a question of good timing and appreciating the symmetry of the figures. How about if we recruit a musician or two and 14 + n x 16 (n integer) other dancers who are interested to see what we can do with it. Then we can do it as a FTWK dance some evening... Eric Arnold Ann Arbor ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 14:36:13 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 07:39:00 +1000 From: Martin Hungerford Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: on line database To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199707152143.HAA25189-AT- darth.netcon.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Subject: Re: on line database >Sent: 15/7/97 1:21 AM >Received: 15/7/97 7:45 AM >From: Richard Jackson, rjackso1-AT- waters.sanders.lockheed.com >Reply-To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.Stanford.EDU >To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU > > >I have been kicking this idea around in my head for weeks now. > >I think the ideal would be an on-line server with > - dance title > - formation > - music info (time sig, key, # bars, etc.) > - level of difficulty?, > - a pointer to the source of the dance, > - some keywords about figures included, > - Editorial comments about the dance > >Could the dance