Archive-Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 06:32:47 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 09:34:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Gileshill-AT- aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: musicians wanted in greater LA area To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <970701093402_-427386191-AT- emout14.mail.aol.com> Alan said > Hmm. If neither of these approaches work, there's a series of Victorian > dances in Pasadena, I think, from which the musicians might be recruited. I don't > know the details; if they're getting paid anything like what Brassworks gets > paid for Gaskell, they'll be too expensive. That would be Tom Axeworthy's band, I believe, in their Victorian incarnation as the Philadelphia Band and Quadrille Orchestra. I can put you in touch with them if you wish. Giles Orange County ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 07:02:32 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 10:09:02 -0400 From: peggyl-AT- netdepot.com (Peggy Lamberson) Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: musicians wanted in greater LA area To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU CC: ecd-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199707011410.KAA21712-AT- jupiter.netdepot.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <33B8434E.51D2-AT- trw.com> giovanni de amici (Mon, 30 Jun 1997 16:37:50 -0700): >If any of you lives and plays music in LA, or knows of someone who does, >please e-mail to me at: >g.deamici-AT- trw.com >all kind of leads and suggestions (as to how to ferret out and cajole >musicians into learning a new style) will be appreciated. Hi, Beth Miller, a pianist who has played both English and American country dance music for many years, now lives in Beverly Hills. She was our regular pianist for English country dances here in Atlanta until she moved to California last year. She'd probably be delighted to get back into playing for dances. I don't have her current phone number, but her address is: 321 S. Doheny Dr., Apt. 7 Beverly Hills CA 90211 If you can't find a phone number for her, let me know. I'm sure I can get it from mutual friends here in Atlanta. Peggy Lamberson ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 11:44:55 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 11:46:35 -0700 From: Eric Goodill Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: My apologies to Alan and the list To: ecd-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <33B9508B.72B2-AT- cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I recently sent what probably seemed like a sarcastic personal attack on Alan Winston to the ECD list in reply to comments he made regarding finding musicians for ECD in the Los Angeles area. Alan and I are friends and share a perverse sense of humor. However, I blew it and replied to the list when it should have been sent privately to Alan. I've apologized to Alan for sending what some might feel was a sarcastic personal attack to a wide audience. Fortunately, Alan figured that I'd just screwed up, and he appreciated the humor. -Eric ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 17:03:04 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 17:03:21 -0700 From: giovanni de amici Subject: Re: musicians wanted in greater LA area To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <33B99AC9.500F-AT- trw.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <970701093402_-427386191-AT- emout14.mail.aol.com> Gileshill-AT- aol.com wrote: > That would be Tom Axeworthy's band, I believe, in their Victorian incarnation > as the Philadelphia Band and Quadrille Orchestra. I can put you in touch > with them if you wish. > Hallo. I have 562 946 4001 as Tom's phone number. So far I have not been succesful at making contact, so if you have a different/better number, or his e-mail, I will appreciate receiving that. Thank you very much. Giovanni De Amici ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 17:04:54 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 17:05:12 -0700 From: giovanni de amici Subject: Re: musicians wanted in greater LA area To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <33B99B38.4E4F-AT- trw.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <33B8434E.51D2-AT- trw.com> <199707011410.KAA21712-AT- jupiter.netdepot.com> Peggy Lamberson wrote: > Beth Miller, a pianist ..... > Hallo. I found one Elizabeth Miller at the address you gave, her number being 310 278 1866. I will try calling tonight: wish me luck and thanks for the help. Giovanni De Amici ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 13:27:42 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 16:29:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Sharon Green Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Lichfield Festival & Edinburgh Ball To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199707032029.QAA05447-AT- mail1.panix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" David & I are back from two weeks in England & Scotland, full of impressions of the dance scene there. Those interested, read on: Lichfield Festival was a blast--I just wish we could have cloned ourselves so that we could have managed to attend all three dances on Friday night. But we had a lovely time at Fried's Friday dance and came back very excited about her band that night, WYSIWYG [Rachel Taylor, fiddle, and Fiona Maurice-Smith, the phenomenal accordionist on All Alive & Face the Music and other tapes]--I just wish someone could set them up with a tour over here. I also was very excited to meet Hugh Stewart & Margaret Whaley from the list, and to hang out with Boston & London's jet-setting Colin Hume, who is probably now ahead of me in frequent flyer miles, but just you wait, as well as to re-meet John Sweeney, who'd come through our New York dance shortly after the New York Times article appeared and had gotten to see us at our most crazed. Saturday was a great day for workshops: Charles Bolton racing folks through 8 of the 10 dances in his new Retreads Vol. 7; Fried insisting that everyone ask a stranger to dance [radical!] and getting away with it because she's our one and only Fried; Hilary Herbert mixing contras & English & squares, oh my, in an eclectic tea dance set. It was also our first chance to see NYFTE [the National Youth Folklore Troupe of England] in action. Boy! are they good! and boy! do I wish I had half their energy and zest! A truly joyful experience. Sunday the workshops were once again grand. We were particularly blown away by Andrew Shaw, who manages to be erudite [Walsh, 1710, was the workshop topic; Andrew specializes in 17th & 18th centure dance], good-humored, and laid back [are you *sure* this man is English?] and leads people through complex dances clearly and expeditiously. Those of you already thinking about staffing next summer's camps and schools, ask around about Andrew, because we think he'd do just fine with an American crowd. Lichfield Festival was special to us for lots of reasons. So was the Edinburgh Ball the next weekend, but for very different ones. It was wonderful to see Aidan Broadbridge, whom we first met when he & his father Nic stayed with us a few years back, playing with assurance and polish as half of the duo A & B; it was grand to meet Nic's wife Nell, quietly keeping things running despite having a houseful of guests and a classful of students to handle. And it was fun to chat with Nic again, totally in his element, immensely pleased with his and Marjorie Fennessy's new Purcell book and with the Assembly Players new recording "Playford from the New World" [probably their best recording yet, with some lovely Jonathan Jensen tunes]. But the sentimental topper for us was the appearance of a young country dance demo team from Montague, Michigan, some twenty-odd miles from David's family's cottage in Pentwater! *Not* what we expected to find in Edinburgh, but a happy reminder that American kids also can tune in to the joys of English country dance. So it gave us great pleasure to meet Carol Urquhart and her high schoolers. Now we just have to convince some of the kids to come to college in New York! Much love, Sharon Green ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 13:39:04 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 16:40:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Sharon Green Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Wanted: Info on Nellie Chaplin To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199707032040.QAA06212-AT- mail1.panix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In a secondhand bookshop in Edinburgh I came across "Court Dances and Others, Revived by Nellie Chaplin" [Curwen's Edition No.5707, copyright 1911]. I'd be interested in learning more about Chaplin, who claims in the foreword to have started the Playford revival in 1906. I'd also be interested in learning about A. C. Hunt, [possibly connected with Halsway Manor, according to one report], to whom this copy was given in 1912. 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Here are the dates for 97-98, the 10th year of the series. October 19 - November 9 - December 7. January 4 - February 1 - March 22 - April 19 - May 24. The dance starts at 2.30 pm and stops at 5.30 pm. Entrance: BEF 125. All welcome! On the program, a mix of English country dances and New England style contras, taught/called by Philippe Callens. Venue: Den Wolschaerder, Liersesteenweg 314, 2640 Morstel, Belgium. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 09:52:44 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 11:54:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Jonathan Sivier Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: question on "Bill Of Rights" To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199707041654.LAA02973-AT- ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> I've tried doing the dance "The Bill Of Rights" from Ticknor's "Dances from George Washington's Birthday Balls" and have had some troubles with B1. The B section is 12 bars long (24 beats) and in B1 the 1's are supposed to dance 2 full figure-eights around the 2's. There just doesn't seem to be enough time here for these figures. Even if they skip the 1's can't seem to get all the way through the figure-eights before it's time for them to lead down the center. Has anyone else tried this dance and come upon this problem? Am I misunderstanding something? Any suggestions on how to make this dance work gracefully, that is without having to tell the ones to 'go like the blazes' in B1? The rest of the dance goes very smoothly and I'd like to do it if I can work out the trouble with this part. Jonathan ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Jonathan Sivier |Q: How many angels can dance on the | | j-sivier-AT- uiuc.edu | head of a pin? | | Flight Simulation Lab |A: It depends on what dance you call. | | Beckman Institute | | | 405 N. Mathews | SWMDG - Single White Male | | Urbana, IL 61801 | Dance Gypsy | | Work: 217/244-1923 | | | Home: 217/359-8225 | Have shoes, will dance. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Home page URL: http://www.staff.uiuc.edu/~j-sivier | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 05 Jul 1997 21:06:20 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 00:08:47 +0000 From: Rich Galloway Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: New e-mail address To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199707060406.AAA14030-AT- ns.kreative.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Alan, I've finally got a new, functioning e-mail address. I've successfully subscribed to the ECD list under my new address. I can still receive mail at my old address, but sending mail from the old account is not functioning. Since I cannot do it myself, can you please unsubscribe my old address of galloway-AT- xis.com from the ECD list? Thanks Rich Galloway rich-AT- kreative.net ========================================================== Rich Galloway Home: rich-AT- kreative.net 2115 Hanover St. Work: richard_galloway-AT- ed.gov Silver Spring, MD 20910 ========================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 12:01:09 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 12:01:17 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: question on "Bill Of Rights" To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01IKWYLRLXW8A7DG7V-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Jonathan -- It's been a couple of years since I taught this dance (at our Regency group's Madison Inaugural Ball), and I went with Millar rather than Ticknor on interpretation, which worked pretty well. Millar's A1 & A2 are the same as Ticknor, but he only as one B, which goes but his 17-22 goes: The 1 woman cast off (followed by her partner), dance up between the 2s, dance counterclockwise around the 2 man and return to original places (all in 12 counts); 23-28 has 1s cast off (2s move up), partners turn once around with 2 hands. Ticknor, filling twice the music, inserts a 1s lead down and back and cast off one place. Ticknor conveniently gives the original text from Thompson: Foot it and half Right and Left =+= the same back again =+= hunt round the second couple =+= cast off and turn. Making no claim to scholarship here, I think Millar and Ticknor have equally legitimate interpretations of "hunt round the second couple". Unfortunately, I don't know if Thompson shows a repeat on the B or not. Now, as to getting around in 12 counts, I think you have to remember that they'd be doing chasse steps rather than walking steps in 1773, which makes it easier to cover ground. In other words, make the ones skip-change and they should get through. Good luck! -- Alan ====================== Jonathan wrote: I've tried doing the dance "The Bill Of Rights" from Ticknor's "Dances from George Washington's Birthday Balls" and have had some troubles with B1. The B section is 12 bars long (24 beats) and in B1 the 1's are supposed to dance 2 full figure-eights around the 2's. There just doesn't seem to be enough time here for these figures. Even if they skip the 1's can't seem to get all the way through the figure-eights before it's time for them to lead down the center. Has anyone else tried this dance and come upon this problem? Am I misunderstanding something? Any suggestions on how to make this dance work gracefully, that is without having to tell the ones to 'go like the blazes' in B1? The rest of the dance goes very smoothly and I'd like to do it if I can work out the trouble with this part. Jonathan ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Jonathan Sivier |Q: How many angels can dance on the | | j-sivier-AT- uiuc.edu | head of a pin? | | Flight Simulation Lab |A: It depends on what dance you call. | | Beckman Institute | | | 405 N. Mathews | SWMDG - Single White Male | | Urbana, IL 61801 | Dance Gypsy | | Work: 217/244-1923 | | | Home: 217/359-8225 | Have shoes, will dance. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Home page URL: http://www.staff.uiuc.edu/~j-sivier | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 415/926-3056 Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA 94309-0210 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 18:54:36 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 21:57:04 +0000 From: Rich Galloway Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: New e-mail address To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199707070155.VAA24879-AT- ns.kreative.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Oops, sorry all. I meant to send that only to Alan. But please do note that I have new e-mail address: rich-AT- kreative.net ==================================================== Rich Galloway Silver Spring, MD ==================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 18:54:48 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 21:57:04 +0000 From: Rich Galloway Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: question on "Bill Of Rights" To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199707070155.VAA24898-AT- ns.kreative.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > Ticknor conveniently gives the original text from Thompson: > > Foot it and half Right and Left =+= the same back again =+= hunt > round the second couple =+= cast off and turn. > > Making no claim to scholarship here, I think Millar and Ticknor have > equally legitimate interpretations of "hunt round the second > couple". > > Unfortunately, I don't know if Thompson shows a repeat on the B or > not. Thompson indeed shows repeats for both the A and B music. This looks like it might be a case of 8-bar figures fitted to a 12-bar phrase of music. It's not unusual to find dances that do not seem to fit their published music. This particular tune was used for at least 2 other dances--The Sea Side (1781) and Suckey's Delight (1780). I hesitate to guess with so little info, but it's possible Thompson chose a popular tune which was not a good fit to the dance figures. Of course, it's also possible that the only mistake is in our attempts to interpret the dance. BTW, Bill of Rights is from Thompson'a Volume III published in 1773, so it was not a reference to the first 10 amendments to the U.S. Constitution. And YES, after nearly a month of hassles with ISPs, I'm finally back on line. ==================================================== Rich Galloway Silver Spring, MD ==================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 23:37:36 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 23:39:19 -0700 (PDT) From: bestockp-AT- oz.net Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: REMOVE To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >http://www.hunting.net > >www.hunting.net would like to invite you to visit the world's largest >all-hunting website. Visit today and register to win a free deer >hunting trip. > >BE SURE TO ADD THIS TO YOUR BOOKMARK LIST! > >The Top 10 reasons why you should visit http://www.hunting.net >-------------------------------------------------------------- > >10. Outfitter and lodge directory with 1500 listings throughout > the US and Canada > >9. Hunting information on all types of game (including the > world's largest online resource for deer and deer hunting.) > >8. Chat with other hunters around the world live in the Chat > Room > >7. Nationally known Pro Staff with monthly columns > >6. Hunting tips, techniques and strategies from the experts > >5. Visitors' trophy room > >4. Prizes > >3. World's largest online collection of hunting videos > available anywhere (with downloadable video clips) > >2. Swaps for hunts, gear, etc. > >1. It's free. > > >-------------------------------------------------------------- > >If you would like to be removed from all future mailings, >please respond with the word "Remove" in the subject line. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 00:56:51 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 00:43:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul J. Stamler" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: question on "Bill Of Rights" To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU CC: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 6 Jul 1997, Rich Galloway wrote: > BTW, Bill of Rights is from Thompson'a Volume III published in 1773, > so it was not a reference to the first 10 amendments to the U.S. > Constitution. Apparently not--but does anyone on the list know to what it *was* referring? My curiosity is piqued. Peace. Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 08:17:19 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 10:18:57 -0500 From: "Soni, Dilip" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Remove To: "'ECD-AT- ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu'" Message-ID: <79487C4CA9A0D01194E400A0242899D6049F65-AT- arch1.empros.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BC8ABF.2E6922C0" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC8ABF.2E6922C0 Content-Type: text/plain RE: Visit www.hunting.net > -----Original Message----- > From: Kimberly [SMTP:kimberly-AT- hunting.net] > Sent: Thursday, July 03, 1997 10:43 PM > To: kimberly-AT- hunting.net > Subject: Visit www.hunting.net > > http://www.hunting.net > > www.hunting.net would like to invite you to visit the world's largest > all-hunting website. Visit today and register to win a free deer > hunting trip. > > BE SURE TO ADD THIS TO YOUR BOOKMARK LIST! > > The Top 10 reasons why you should visit http://www.hunting.net > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > 10. Outfitter and lodge directory with 1500 listings throughout > the US and Canada > > 9. Hunting information on all types of game (including the > world's largest online resource for deer and deer hunting.) > > 8. Chat with other hunters around the world live in the Chat > Room > > 7. Nationally known Pro Staff with monthly columns > > 6. Hunting tips, techniques and strategies from the experts > > 5. Visitors' trophy room > > 4. Prizes > > 3. World's largest online collection of hunting videos > available anywhere (with downloadable video clips) > > 2. Swaps for hunts, gear, etc. > > 1. 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Visit today and register to win a free deer > >hunting trip. > > > >BE SURE TO ADD THIS TO YOUR BOOKMARK LIST! > > > >The Top 10 reasons why you should visit http://www.hunting.net > >-------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >10. Outfitter and lodge directory with 1500 listings throughout > > the US and Canada > > > >9. Hunting information on all types of game (including the > > world's largest online resource for deer and deer hunting.) > > > >8. Chat with other hunters around the world live in the Chat > > Room > > > >7. Nationally known Pro Staff with monthly columns > > > >6. Hunting tips, techniques and strategies from the experts > > > >5. Visitors' trophy room > > > >4. Prizes > > > >3. World's largest online collection of hunting videos > > available anywhere (with downloadable video clips) > > > >2. Swaps for hunts, gear, etc. > > > >1. It's free. > > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >If you would like to be removed from all future mailings, > >please respond with the word "Remove" in the subject line. > > > > > =3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+= -=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D > M.A.J. McKenna > staff writer, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution > 404.526.5987 vox > 404.526.5509 fax > Standard disclaimers apply. > =3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-= +-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D -- = =FFWPC=DB=03 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 08:40:46 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 10:44:29 -0500 From: Mike or Norma Briggs Subject: Re: REMOVE To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <33C10EDD.27C1-AT- execpc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: bestockp-AT- oz.net wrote: > = > >http://www.hunting.net > > > >www.hunting.net would like to invite you to visit the world's largest > >all-hunting website. Visit today and register to win a free deer > >hunting trip. > > > >BE SURE TO ADD THIS TO YOUR BOOKMARK LIST! > > > >The Top 10 reasons why you should visit http://www.hunting.net > >-------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >10. Outfitter and lodge directory with 1500 listings throughout > > the US and Canada > > > >9. Hunting information on all types of game (including the > > world's largest online resource for deer and deer hunting.) > > > >8. Chat with other hunters around the world live in the Chat > > Room > > > >7. Nationally known Pro Staff with monthly columns > > > >6. Hunting tips, techniques and strategies from the experts > > > >5. Visitors' trophy room > > > >4. Prizes > > > >3. World's largest online collection of hunting videos > > available anywhere (with downloadable video clips) > > > >2. Swaps for hunts, gear, etc. > > > >1. It's free. > > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >If you would like to be removed from all future mailings, > >please respond with the word "Remove" in the subject line. -- = =FFWPC=DB=03 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 08:43:02 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 10:46:44 -0500 From: Mike or Norma Briggs Subject: Re: Remove To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <33C10F64.64E6-AT- execpc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: <79487C4CA9A0D01194E400A0242899D6049F65-AT- arch1.empros.com> Soni, Dilip wrote: > = > RE: Visit www.hunting.net > = > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kimberly [SMTP:kimberly-AT- hunting.net] > > Sent: Thursday, July 03, 1997 10:43 PM > > To: kimberly-AT- hunting.net > > Subject: Visit www.hunting.net > > > > http://www.hunting.net > > > > www.hunting.net would like to invite you to visit the world's largest= > > all-hunting website. Visit today and register to win a free deer > > hunting trip. > > > > BE SURE TO ADD THIS TO YOUR BOOKMARK LIST! > > > > The Top 10 reasons why you should visit http://www.hunting.net > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > 10. Outfitter and lodge directory with 1500 listings throughout > > the US and Canada > > > > 9. Hunting information on all types of game (including the > > world's largest online resource for deer and deer hunting.) > > > > 8. Chat with other hunters around the world live in the Chat > > Room > > > > 7. Nationally known Pro Staff with monthly columns > > > > 6. Hunting tips, techniques and strategies from the experts > > > > 5. Visitors' trophy room > > > > 4. Prizes > > > > 3. World's largest online collection of hunting videos > > available anywhere (with downloadable video clips) > > > > 2. Swaps for hunts, gear, etc. > > > > 1. It's free. > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > If you would like to be removed from all future mailings, > > please respond with the word "Remove" in the subject line. > > > > > = > --------------------------------------------------------------- > = > Part 1.2 Type: application/ms-tnef > Encoding: base64 -- = =FFWPC=DB=03 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 08:53:52 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 10:57:34 -0500 From: Mike or Norma Briggs Subject: Re: Remove To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <33C111EE.56B0-AT- execpc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: <1.5.4.16.19970703235905.302769e2-AT- pop.mindspring.com> <33C10D48.5319-AT- execpc.com> Mike or Norma Briggs wrote: > = > m.a.j. mckenna wrote: > > > > At 03:16 AM 7/2/97 -0500, you wrote: > > >http://www.hunting.net > > > > > >www.hunting.net would like to invite you to visit the world's larges= t > > >all-hunting website. Visit today and register to win a free deer > > >hunting trip. > > > > > >BE SURE TO ADD THIS TO YOUR BOOKMARK LIST! > > > > > >The Top 10 reasons why you should visit http://www.hunting.net > > >-------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >10. Outfitter and lodge directory with 1500 listings throughout > > > the US and Canada > > > > > >9. Hunting information on all types of game (including the > > > world's largest online resource for deer and deer hunting.) > > > > > >8. Chat with other hunters around the world live in the Chat > > > Room > > > > > >7. Nationally known Pro Staff with monthly columns > > > > > >6. Hunting tips, techniques and strategies from the experts > > > > > >5. Visitors' trophy room > > > > > >4. Prizes > > > > > >3. World's largest online collection of hunting videos > > > available anywhere (with downloadable video clips) > > > > > >2. Swaps for hunts, gear, etc. > > > > > >1. It's free. > > > > > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >If you would like to be removed from all future mailings, > > >please respond with the word "Remove" in the subject line. > > > > > > > > =3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D= -+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D > > M.A.J. McKenna > > staff writer, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution > > 404.526.5987 vox > > 404.526.5509 fax > > Standard disclaimers apply. > > =3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D= -+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D-+-=3D > = > -- > =FFWPC=DB=03 -- = =FFWPC=DB=03 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 08:54:30 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 10:58:14 -0500 From: Mike or Norma Briggs Subject: Re: Remove To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <33C11216.5D60-AT- execpc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: <79487C4CA9A0D01194E400A0242899D6049F65-AT- arch1.empros.com> <33C10F64.64E6-AT- execpc.com> Mike or Norma Briggs wrote: > = > Soni, Dilip wrote: > > > > RE: Visit www.hunting.net > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Kimberly [SMTP:kimberly-AT- hunting.net] > > > Sent: Thursday, July 03, 1997 10:43 PM > > > To: kimberly-AT- hunting.net > > > Subject: Visit www.hunting.net > > > > > > http://www.hunting.net > > > > > > www.hunting.net would like to invite you to visit the world's large= st > > > all-hunting website. Visit today and register to win a free deer > > > hunting trip. > > > > > > BE SURE TO ADD THIS TO YOUR BOOKMARK LIST! > > > > > > The Top 10 reasons why you should visit http://www.hunting.net > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > 10. Outfitter and lodge directory with 1500 listings throughout > > > the US and Canada > > > > > > 9. Hunting information on all types of game (including the > > > world's largest online resource for deer and deer hunting.) > > > > > > 8. Chat with other hunters around the world live in the Chat > > > Room > > > > > > 7. Nationally known Pro Staff with monthly columns > > > > > > 6. Hunting tips, techniques and strategies from the experts > > > > > > 5. Visitors' trophy room > > > > > > 4. Prizes > > > > > > 3. World's largest online collection of hunting videos > > > available anywhere (with downloadable video clips) > > > > > > 2. Swaps for hunts, gear, etc. > > > > > > 1. It's free. > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > If you would like to be removed from all future mailings, > > > please respond with the word "Remove" in the subject line. > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Part 1.2 Type: application/ms-tnef > > Encoding: base64 > = > -- > =FFWPC=DB=03 -- = =FFWPC=DB=03 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 09:03:49 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 09:01:09 -0700 (PDT) From: HUGH-AT- edsug.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Remove To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <01IKY70L2DUQ000IZQ-AT- UG.EDS.COM> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Please don't bother sending more REMOVE messages to this mailing list. I am suprised kimberly-AT- hunting.net managed to send a message to the mailing list (I assume he is not a member), but your replies are not getting back to him, but they ARE getting to me. I have sent him rude mail asking him to stop annoying us, and also asked him not to spam mailing lists because it causes further annoyance. Feel free to abuse him (or his postmaster), but please don't spam the mailing list. P.S. I've just got the Assembly Players CD Sharon Green was praising, and she's right to praise it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 09:09:00 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 09:06:19 -0700 (PDT) From: HUGH-AT- edsug.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Egg on face To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <01IKY7BQ6X1E000H25-AT- UG.EDS.COM> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Whoops, I just posted >> Please don't bother sending more REMOVE messages to this mailing list. But I've just realised that most of you will probably wonder where it came from. One signature coming up... Hugh Stewart Cambridge UK ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 09:22:07 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 11:32:56 -0500 From: sheilab-AT- tiac.net (Sheila Beardslee Bosworth) Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Remove-a-rama To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" HUGH-AT- edsug.com wrote >Please don't bother sending more REMOVE messages to this mailing list. HEAR! HEAR! Just a patient reminder to all that this list is configured to reply to ITSELF... if you don't want the deer-hunting details (or other junk we occasionally get dumped with, you must send the "remove" message to the SENDER, not to this list.... Clearly, these hunting folks don't read ECD, they've been letter-bombing every list and newsgroup out there.... Hugh also wrote: >I have sent him rude mail asking him to stop annoying us, and also asked >him not to spam mailing lists because it causes further annoyance. Feel free >to abuse him (or his postmaster), but please don't spam the mailing list. I agree about not spamming the list.... feel free to complain to the provider at these addresses postmaster-AT- [domain] abuse-AT- [domain] root-AT- [domain] For those not totally up on internet terms, where [domain] appears you place the address part after the spammer's -AT- It is often helpful to check the FULL header, as some spammers are now disguising their true addresses.. I recently received several messages from a customer at IEMMC (Internet E-Mail Marketing Council), which, as a provider, has its own removal process: If you get junk mail from their customers and wish to be removed from their list[s], you can go to their removal web page at: http://www.iemmc.org/remove.html Your request will become effective within 24 hours. Sheila Beardslee Bosworth sheilab-AT- tiac.net Editor, Boston Early Music News >>next BEMN Deadline 8/15 for Fall Preview issue! WEB Calendar http://www.medieval.org/emfaq/concerts/bemn/ 29 Main Street, Acton MA 01720-3505 voice: 508/263.9926 fax: 508/263.2366 ** Area codes will change to 978 in September '97 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 10:50:02 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 15:12:06 +0000 (UT) From: "S. Ridgway Kennedy" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: REMOVE To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: ---------- From: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu on behalf of bestockp-AT- oz.net Sent: Monday, July 07, 1997 2:39 AM To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Subject: REMOVE >http://www.hunting.net > >www.hunting.net would like to invite you to visit the world's largest >all-hunting website. Visit today and register to win a free deer >hunting trip. > >BE SURE TO ADD THIS TO YOUR BOOKMARK LIST! > >The Top 10 reasons why you should visit http://www.hunting.net >-------------------------------------------------------------- > >10. Outfitter and lodge directory with 1500 listings throughout > the US and Canada > >9. Hunting information on all types of game (including the > world's largest online resource for deer and deer hunting.) > >8. Chat with other hunters around the world live in the Chat > Room > >7. Nationally known Pro Staff with monthly columns > >6. Hunting tips, techniques and strategies from the experts > >5. Visitors' trophy room > >4. Prizes > >3. World's largest online collection of hunting videos > available anywhere (with downloadable video clips) > >2. Swaps for hunts, gear, etc. > >1. It's free. > > >-------------------------------------------------------------- > >If you would like to be removed from all future mailings, >please respond with the word "Remove" in the subject line. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 10:58:01 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 15:04:30 +0000 (UT) From: "S. Ridgway Kennedy" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: Remove To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: ---------- From: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu on behalf of m.a.j. mckenna Sent: Friday, July 04, 1997 12:03 AM To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Subject: Remove At 03:16 AM 7/2/97 -0500, you wrote: >http://www.hunting.net > >www.hunting.net would like to invite you to visit the world's largest >all-hunting website. Visit today and register to win a free deer >hunting trip. > >BE SURE TO ADD THIS TO YOUR BOOKMARK LIST! > >The Top 10 reasons why you should visit http://www.hunting.net >-------------------------------------------------------------- > >10. Outfitter and lodge directory with 1500 listings throughout > the US and Canada > >9. Hunting information on all types of game (including the > world's largest online resource for deer and deer hunting.) > >8. Chat with other hunters around the world live in the Chat > Room > >7. Nationally known Pro Staff with monthly columns > >6. Hunting tips, techniques and strategies from the experts > >5. Visitors' trophy room > >4. Prizes > >3. World's largest online collection of hunting videos > available anywhere (with downloadable video clips) > >2. Swaps for hunts, gear, etc. > >1. It's free. > > >-------------------------------------------------------------- > >If you would like to be removed from all future mailings, >please respond with the word "Remove" in the subject line. > > =-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-= M.A.J. McKenna staff writer, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution 404.526.5987 vox 404.526.5509 fax Standard disclaimers apply. =-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-= ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 11:32:58 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 13:50:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Margaret Whaley <101454.633-AT- CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Fried, Lichfield, Edinburgh, etc! To: ECD Message-ID: <970707175032_101454.633_IHP117-1-AT- CompuServe.COM> I was just going to write you a report on the happenings over here in June, when I found that Sharon Green had beaten me to it! It was lovely to meet her and David. - I agree wholeheartedly with you, Sharon. Lichfield was great - apart from the rain!!! I particularly liked Andrew Shaw's session and Hilary Herbert's - but I always like Andrew's & Hilary's workshops. Yes, Andrew is lovely! - Sooooooo laid back!! - Did you realise about the title of Hilary's dance "Bring a Chair". When Hilary moved to Bristol from Cheshire - they kept telling her they were having a "Bring a Chair" Dance. It wasn't till a long time after she arrived that she realised that they were actually saying "Bring & Share"!! (An American Supper) And what can I add about Edinburgh!! My non-dancing friends couldn't believe we were going all the way to Edinburgh just for the weekend and just for a dance!!! Especially as I had to make a detour to Cambridge on the Friday afternoon for my son's graduation!! (900 miles round trip!!) My reply was "this is NOT just a dance - this is Nic Broadbridge's Ball!!" (I'd go a lot more miles than that to dance all evening to the fabulous A&B - they are super!!!!) Pity you couldn't stay another week, Sharon, as this Saturday we were up at "The House" for a "Pat Shaw Day of Dance" with Marjorie Fennessey calling and Nic & Brian Prentice ("B") playing - Nic plays an accordian that used to belong to Pat Shaw. There were a surprising number there who were up in Edinburgh. Actually, there were only about 24 of us at the workshops during the day, which was a pity, but it did mean that for the first time for several weeks, we had room to move AND dance!!!!!! I was shattered by tea-time. The evening dance was a re-run of the 1996 Edinburgh Ball "Playford from the New World" ( - as Sharon said, Nic's just brought out the recording.) Nic called and A&B played. Another lovely evening! Well, hectic June is over - I've danced to Fried Herman in Cheshire, Somerset, Gloucestershire, Oxfordshire, Hertfordshire, and Staffordshire and enjoyed every moment of it, and been to Scotland "just for a dance". Things tend to wind down in July - we've found a dance in Bedford for this Saturday, and are going over to Buckinghamshire for an impromtu dance with Colin Hume on Tuesday (making the most of him while he's this side of the pond!). We've booked for a weekend at Burton Manor at the end of the month with Hilary Herbert & Peter Andre (that should be fun!), and then of course it's Sidmouth!!! (Are any of you coming?) That only leaves Sat 18th July free. Does anyone know of anything that weekend? Or must I be forced to catch up on all the house-work that I haven't done for the past several weeks!!!!! Margaret Whaley Oxfordshire p.s If any of you read the e-mail from Philippe Callens about the AADS weekend at the end of October near Antwerp with Brad Foster and the Little Tinkers - do try and go, we went last year and had a super weekend! We've already booked for this year and looking forward to it very much, Phillipe. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 15:42:23 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 18:43:45 -0400 From: Gene Murrow Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Local ECD with original instruments??? To: "INTERNET:ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.Stanford.EDU" Message-ID: <199707071843_MC2-1A68-2C2-AT- compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>Does anyone know of any ECD community that is accompanied by ORIGINAL >>instruments? >> >>Like, fiddles, harp, lute, recorders, Viola da Gamba's citterns and the= like? > > >PINEWOODS EARLY MUSIC WEEK....starting on THURSDAY! >Sometimes NYCD uses recorders/viols (Roz Morley plays viol there -- >she's quite wonderful; Gene, don't you play recorder there sometimes?) > > >Sheila Beardslee Bosworth -Are your dances quite sedate and subdued? 'cause we found harp and lute = -to be too quiet for dance music. Lower recorders also failed. These days= = -I use gallician pipes - but they're not elegant! At Pinewoods (and elsewhere, such as the Brattleboro Playford Balls of 19= 82 - 1984 or 85) we use/d sound amplification systems. Of course we use tub= e amplifiers and monaural systems, which is all they had in the 17th Century... ;-) Gene Murrow EC Dancer and stickler for authenticity ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 16:19:01 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 19:20:12 -0400 (EDT) From: webatcheler-AT- juno.com (Wayne Batcheler) Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Remove-a-rama To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <19970707.192052.6991.6.webatcheler-AT- juno.com> References: On Mon, 07 Jul 1997 11:32:56 -0500 sheilab-AT- tiac.net (Sheila Beardslee Bosworth) writes: >If you don't want the deer-hunting details (or other junk we >occasionally get dumped with, you must send the "remove" message >to the SENDER, not to this list.... Why not also return the favor by sending kimberly-AT- hunting.net some items of possible interest? For a starter, I am considering sending a daily installment or two of our extended list traffic on Sir Roger de Coverly after stripping out the original senders' names and composing some appropriate new subject lines to heighten the appeal to someone not necessarily really interested in ECD. Wayne Batcheler New York ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 16:47:09 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 19:49:43 -0500 From: Mary Beth Goodman Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Remove-a-rama To: webatcheler-AT- juno.com (Wayne Batcheler), ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: >Why not also return the favor by sending kimberly-AT- hunting.net some items >of possible interest? For a starter, I am considering sending a daily >installment or two of our extended list traffic on Sir Roger de Coverly >after stripping out the original senders' names and composing some >appropriate new subject lines to heighten the appeal to someone not >necessarily really interested in ECD. > >Wayne Batcheler >New York > Spam not, lest ye be spammed! It's much safer and more productive to complain to the postmaster-AT- ... and abuse-AT- .... Mary Beth ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 19:49:13 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 20:33:21 -0700 From: jcarver-AT- mail.IslandNet.com (John Carver) Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: about hunting.net (no dance content) To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" For your info, since it doesn't seem to have been discussed here much: 1. 'Remove' requests are useless. The spam was sent to ECD, not your own mailbox. And even if it had most spammers ignore remove requests - they only put that in there for appearance of respectability. 2. Attacking the spammer directly can backfire (for many reasons). Don't do it. 3. Complaints to postmaster or anyone else at HUNTING.NET will go only to the spammer. No legitimate internet access provider will see it. Their provider is ICSS.COM, but I wouldn't complain there, either. ICSS is served by AGIS.NET, who have a publicly stated policy supporting Unsolicited Commercial Email (UCE). 4. When I received the mail I simply deleted it, leaving it up to our list owner to deal with it. Why? Firstly because chasing spam isn't a simple task, and secondly because flooding a hard-working (legitimate) ISP's mailbox can create more problems. There is good software available for keeping this stuff off the list. My guess is there's already something in place here, because we don't get very much. Right? John Carver ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 22:19:34 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 22:19:42 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: about hunting.net (no dance content) To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01IKYYWUOY8IA7EBSP-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Actually, the list is configured so that nobody who isn't a subscriber should be able to post. I don't have a log of subscribe/unsubscribe activity, so I can't prove whether hunting.net subscribed, spammed, and unsubscribed or whether they somehow circumvented the protections, which doesn't seem that likely. This did follow my posting SUBSCRIBE directions on rec.folk-dancing pretty recently, so it may have happened. Anyway, I completely endorse what Hugh and John have said -- it's worthless to send "REMOVE" to the list, it's worthless (in this case) to send it directly to the spammer, because it will just tell them that you individually exist, and in this case it's worthless to send to postmaster or abuse -AT- hunting.net. Mighty annoying, in any case. -- Alan =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 415/926-3056 Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA 94309-0210 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 05:11:16 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 08:08:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Margaret Whaley <101454.633-AT- CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Hunting! To: ECD Message-ID: <970708120814_101454.633_IHP110-1-AT- CompuServe.COM> I agree with the general view that the "hunting" e-mails were very annoying - but looking back we only had the one (I think) - the problem has been everybody sending "REMOVE" statements trying to stop it happening and creating lots of unwanted e-mails on the forum to do it!!! Perhaps if we all kept quiet about it - it will go away! Margaret Whaley Oxfordshire ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 08:35:45 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 10:40:10 -0500 From: Mike or Norma Briggs Subject: Re: about hunting.net (no dance content) To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <33C25F5A.177C-AT- execpc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: <01IKYYWUOY8IA7EBSP-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote: > = > Actually, the list is configured so that nobody who isn't a subscriber > should be able to post. I don't have a log of subscribe/unsubscribe > activity, so I can't prove whether hunting.net subscribed, spammed, and= > unsubscribed or whether they somehow circumvented the protections, whic= h > doesn't seem that likely. > = > This did follow my posting SUBSCRIBE directions on rec.folk-dancing pre= tty > recently, so it may have happened. > = > Anyway, I completely endorse what Hugh and John have said -- it's worth= less > to send "REMOVE" to the list, it's worthless (in this case) to send it > directly to the spammer, because it will just tell them that you indivi= dually > exist, and in this case it's worthless to send to postmaster or abuse -AT- = > hunting.net. > = > Mighty annoying, in any case. > = > -- Alan > = > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU > Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 415/92= 6-3056 > Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA 9430= 9-0210 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To all: My apologies for all the trouble and annoyance I must have caused yesterday by simply replying with "remove" in the subject line. I am new at this, but (I hope) learning fast. I assumed (wrongly, of course) that since the "from" line on my screen said that that was where my "remove" instruction would end up. Sorry again. It won't happen again. Mike Briggs (If anyone knows why my version of Netscape appends these strange characters to the end of each outgoing message, please advise me privately. Thanks.) -- = =FFWPC=DB=03 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 20:39:41 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 20:41:21 -0700 (PDT) From: bestockp-AT- oz.net Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: remove To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: <79487C4CA9A0D01194E400A0242899D6049F65-AT- arch1.empros.com> <33C10F64.64E6-AT- execpc.com> >Mike or Norma Briggs wrote: >> >> Soni, Dilip wrote: >> > >> > RE: Visit www.hunting.net >> > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: Kimberly [SMTP:kimberly-AT- hunting.net] >> > > Sent: Thursday, July 03, 1997 10:43 PM >> > > To: kimberly-AT- hunting.net >> > > Subject: Visit www.hunting.net >> > > >> > > http://www.hunting.net >> > > >> > > www.hunting.net would like to invite you to visit the world's largest >> > > all-hunting website. Visit today and register to win a free deer >> > > hunting trip. >> > > >> > > BE SURE TO ADD THIS TO YOUR BOOKMARK LIST! >> > > >> > > The Top 10 reasons why you should visit http://www.hunting.net >> > > -------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > >> > > 10. Outfitter and lodge directory with 1500 listings throughout >> > > the US and Canada >> > > >> > > 9. Hunting information on all types of game (including the >> > > world's largest online resource for deer and deer hunting.) >> > > >> > > 8. Chat with other hunters around the world live in the Chat >> > > Room >> > > >> > > 7. Nationally known Pro Staff with monthly columns >> > > >> > > 6. Hunting tips, techniques and strategies from the experts >> > > >> > > 5. Visitors' trophy room >> > > >> > > 4. Prizes >> > > >> > > 3. World's largest online collection of hunting videos >> > > available anywhere (with downloadable video clips) >> > > >> > > 2. Swaps for hunts, gear, etc. >> > > >> > > 1. It's free. >> > > >> > > >> > > -------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > >> > > If you would like to be removed from all future mailings, >> > > please respond with the word "Remove" in the subject line. >> > > >> > > >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > Part 1.2 Type: application/ms-tnef >> > Encoding: base64 >> >> -- >> =FFWPC=DB=03 > >-- >=FFWPC=DB=03 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 01:25:17 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 04:26:27 -0400 (EDT) From: JohnBerni-AT- aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: REMOVE To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <970709042625_-393133455-AT- emout14.mail.aol.com> ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 04:53:01 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Return-Path: philippe.callens-AT- uia.ua.ac.be Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 13:53:56 +0200 From: Philippe Callens Subject: 3-part settings of tunes To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <33C37BD4.29C9-AT- uia.ua.ac.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Recently there were some messages regarding arrangements of ECD tunes. I'd like to add this next book that wasn't mentioned yet and seems to be worth adding. Playford style / arranged by Dave Brown. - Tewskesbury : Cotswold Music, 1988. - 25 p. - ISBN 1-870635-04-3 It contains three-part arrangements plus chords for many well-known dances: A trip to Paris - Chestnut - Childgrove - Dargason - Gathering Peascods - Goddesses - Hunsdon House - Indian Queen - Jack Pudding (for Step Stately) - Jack's Maggot - Jamaica - Lilli Burlero - Mr. Isaac's Maggot - My Lord Byron's Maggot - Never Love Thee More - Newcastle - Orleans Baffled - Parson's Farewell - Picking Up Sticks - Portsmouth - Ruft Tufty - Sellenger's Round - Saint Martin's - The Phoenix - Queen's Jig. The book is clearly laid-oud. Dave Brown used to play the fiddle with Wild Thyme, but now plays in other combinations. I don't know whether it is still available. Try Cotswold Music at ColtswoldMu-AT- aol.com Philippe Callens ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 05:03:21 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 05:00:42 -0700 (PDT) From: HUGH-AT- edsug.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Try Cotswold Music at cotswoldmusic-AT- ndirect.co.uk To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <01IL0RC562AA001YYV-AT- UG.EDS.COM> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT >> I don't know whether it is still available. Try Cotswold Music at >> ColtswoldMu-AT- aol.com I believe they live at cotswoldmusic-AT- ndirect.co.uk these days ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 06:18:30 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 09:17:51 -0400 From: "Albert A. Blank" Subject: Re: Local ECD with original instruments??? To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU CC: gmurrow-AT- compuserve.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <33C38F7F.7A1F-AT- pop.a001.sprintmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199707071843_MC2-1A68-2C2-AT- compuserve.com> It has been some years since I visited there, but I recall that the ECD group in Knoxville, TN was heavy in period instruments. They also tended to very fast tempi. Anyone know what happened to them? Albert Blank ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 09:37:40 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 15:02:03 +0000 From: bob-AT- hottub.demon.co.uk Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Lichfield Festival & Edinburgh Ball To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <868546999.0519596.0-AT- hottub.demon.co.uk> Sharon Green wrote: > Lichfield Festival was a blast--I just wish we could have cloned ourselves > so that we could have managed to attend all three dances on Friday night. > But we had a lovely time at Fried's Friday dance and came back very excited > about her band that night, WYSIWYG [Rachel Taylor, fiddle, and Fiona > Maurice-Smith, the phenomenal accordionist on All Alive & Face the Music and > other tapes]--I just wish someone could set them up with a tour over here. Fi and Rachel are marvellous, two of our best musicians, and although the tapes are good, nothing compares to Fi playing live. I called at a Christmas party with her last year and, early in the evening made a complete hash of calling one dance and mentioned that I really ought to stick to easy things like 'Blaydon Races'. For the rest of the evening Fi managed to slip a few bars of Blaydon Races into every tune she played. We had Blaydon Races as an American reel, a waltz, a playford tune, the works. When I actually finshed with Blaydon Races she then changed keys every four bars just for the sake of it. ( Disclaimer: I am not in any way advocating this as 'good practice' for the majority of situations but as a one off at a very lighthearted evening it was great fun :-) ) > I also was very excited to meet Hugh Stewart & Margaret Whaley from the > list, and to hang out with Boston & London's jet-setting Colin Hume, who is > probably now ahead of me in frequent flyer miles, but just you wait, as well > as to re-meet John Sweeney, who'd come through our New York dance shortly > after the New York Times article appeared and had gotten to see us at our > most crazed. I seem to be about the only Brit on the list who didn't get to meet you at Lichfield. Maybe another year. > Hilary Herbert mixing contras & English & squares, > oh my, in an eclectic tea dance set. This is fairly standard practice over here. we don't have the same division between squares, contra and English as seems to happen in the US. > Sunday the workshops were once again grand. We were particularly blown away > by Andrew Shaw, who manages to be erudite [Walsh, 1710, was the workshop > topic; Andrew specializes in 17th & 18th centure dance], good-humored, and > laid back [are you *sure* this man is English?] and leads people through > complex dances clearly and expeditiously. Those of you already thinking > about staffing next summer's camps and schools, ask around about Andrew, > because we think he'd do just fine with an American crowd. He's ours and if you get him over the Atlantic we want him back :-) Bob ---------------------------------------------------------- -- Bob Archer bob-AT- hottub.demon.co.uk ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 18:08:26 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 18:09:45 -0700 From: giovanni de amici Subject: bibliography? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <33C587D9.2A1D-AT- trw.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hallo everyone. this posting follows directly from my lst one of a couple weeks ago. It looks as if a series of ECD will indeed be restarted in LA (that is Los Angeles, not Louisiana) next fall [we are keeping our collective fingers crossed on that one :-) ], and I have one question for all the experienced callers/teachers/musicians out there. When we put together our collection of ECD-related books, between dance manager and caller and musicians we have (some of these in multiple copies): Porter and Heffer: the Apted Book Shaw: ECD book vol 1-6 (but NOT the volume of tunes) Millar: Elizabethan Dances Millar: Dances of Colonial America Cook and Grainger: Come let's be merry Cook and Grainger: Again let's be merry Heffer and Porter: Maggott Pie VanWinkle-Keller and Shimer: the Playford Ball Cook: Packington's Pound Barnes: ECD tunes book and a few scattered sheets (containing dances and tunes) from the CDSS newsletter. Is there any other collection of tunes and dances we SHOULD have? With the CDSS store catalog in front of me, and so much to chose from, where do I start in order to expand our collection? Books with easy dances and tunes are clearly preferred, given the 'beginner' status of most of the expected dancers. Thank you for your help. Giovanni De Amici g.deamici-AT- trw.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 04:52:19 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 10:55:08 +0000 From: bob-AT- hottub.demon.co.uk Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Numbering of square sets To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <868620760.1310711.0-AT- hottub.demon.co.uk> Recently on the Scottish dance list I asked if anyone knew why Scottish square sets are numbered clockwise whereas English and American square sets are numbered anti clockwise. No one actually seemed to know why the difference had arisen although there was some interesting conversation about widdershins being unlikely, which I've also heard as an explanation as to why we usually circle left first. Anyway, I've just looked at my reprints of "The Country Dance Book" Part III (first published 1912) and Playford's "English Dancing Master" (first published 1651) and they both show the square dance "Hyde Park" as being numbered clockwise, i.e. the _opposite_ way round to English square dances today. So, does anyone know when or why the change happened? I know it's an "angels dancing on the head of a pin" question :-) Bob ---------------------------------------------------------- -- Bob Archer bob-AT- hottub.demon.co.uk ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 11:32:36 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 11:32:32 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: bibliography? To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01IL3UDUKBJMAEKSCP-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Folks -- Giovanni says, basically: We have: >Porter and Heffer: the Apted Book >Shaw: ECD book vol 1-6 (but NOT the volume of tunes) >Millar: Elizabethan Dances >Millar: Dances of Colonial America >Cook and Grainger: Come let's be merry >Cook and Grainger: Again let's be merry >Heffer and Porter: Maggott Pie >VanWinkle-Keller and Shimer: the Playford Ball >Cook: Packington's Pound >Barnes: ECD tunes book >and a few scattered sheets (containing dances and tunes) from the CDSS >newsletter. What should we get? and I'll give some of my opinions here, off the top of my head. Actually, if this list had a FAQ, the answer to this question should be here, even if the question isn't frequently asked. (Let's rephrase the question as: What's a basic, functional ECD library?) I invite further comment and disagreement. (various editors for different volumes): The Community Dances Manuals; get the one-volume compilation. Bouncy, catchy village dances, with jigs and reels for music. Also waltz country dances, big circle formations, etc. *essential*, unless you're absolutely committed to nothing but Playford-style. Descriptions are pretty clear; glossary in the back is very helpful. Mildly amusing unconscious sexism in descriptions -- dancers are "men" and "girls". Sharp (et al), The Country Dance Book (except for the volume about Kentucky running sets, but since in my copy it's bound with another volume, it's hard to avoid). Dance descriptions in amazing detail still managing not to be completely transparent. Certainly a seminal work; contains some cool dances not otherwise in print (like "From Aberdeen.") Bentley, Bernard J, "The Fallibroome Collection", which I think is up to 6 volumes. Many of the best dances from Fallibroome have been gathered into "The Playford Ball", but there are still a few gems unused. Around here, we don't usually do more than more than two or three dances from each volume. Can't remember the exact titles, but if you think you'll find "Dances of Colonial America" useful, you should get the Morrison and Keller&Sweet Early American volumes. The cotillions there are easier to make work, I think the descriptions are clearer, and Morrison at least gives you both more social context and more and clearer footwork discussion. The Hendrickson edition of the Griffiths Early American dances is exemplary. Extremely clear dance descriptions (including beat counts where ambiguous), big clear print, etc. However, the dances aren't so well-known that not having them in your library presents a conspicuous lack. Good book, maybe not basic. Get the Barnes "A Little Couple Dancemusik" tune book as well. Great source for waltzes, polkas, hambos, etc -- all stuff that turns up at ECD pretty often. Colin Hume's "Dances With A Difference" series each contain some modern classics. I didn't think "Dance Search" was terrifically interesting. For your purposes you don't need "Squares With A Difference", and "Playford With A Difference", while extremely interesting, is probably not part of the basic library for a EFDSS/CDSS-style dance series. I don't have any of the Charles Bolton books, so can't speak to their general utility. You should really get some Fried Herman material, at least "Ease and Elegance" (the most recent one, which has a lot of advice for teachers including things like structuring programs when you don't know what kind of turnout you're going to have, dances from an out-of-print collection, and a cumulative index of her dance books to date, so you can tell where to find a particular dance of hers). I don't think you can get those through CDSS and have to order directly; I don't have the info here. Hope this helps! -- Alan =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 415/926-3056 Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA 94309-0210 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 11:34:38 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 11:34:34 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: Numbering of square sets To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01IL3XMYZ7SOAEKSCP-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Bob -- Just to be difficult, I'll point out that English quadrilles were numbered 1 3 4 2 as recently as 1815, so there really is no uniform standard by country. -- Alan =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 415/926-3056 Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA 94309-0210 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 11:51:09 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 13:53:05 -0500 (CDT) From: FORBES-AT- GEORGE.BAKERU.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: bibliography? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <970711135305.3143-AT- GEORGE.BAKERU.EDU> Caveat Emptor re" items listed in the basic ECD bibliography Colin Hume employs some very interesting, often suspect harmonies. John Millar, the former Naval Historian, must be used with EXTREME caution!! Forbes/Baker University ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 17:09:47 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 20:13:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Will Linden Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Numbering of square sets To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 11 Jul 1997 bob-AT- hottub.demon.co.uk wrote: > Recently on the Scottish dance list I asked if anyone knew why > Scottish square sets are numbered clockwise whereas English and > American square sets are numbered anti clockwise. No one actually > seemed to know why the difference had arisen although there was some > interesting conversation about widdershins being unlikely, which I've > also heard as an explanation as to why we usually circle left first. Some of us suspect that it is a deliberate conspiracy which makes English and Scots forms just similar enough to drive one to distraction! Will Linden wlinden-AT- panix.com http://www.panix.com/~wlinden/ Magic Code: MAS/GD S++ W++ N+ PWM++ Ds/r+ A-> a++ C+ G- QO++ 666 Y ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 17:17:19 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 20:21:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Will Linden Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: question on "Bill Of Rights" To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 7 Jul 1997, Paul J. Stamler wrote: > > > On Sun, 6 Jul 1997, Rich Galloway wrote: > > > BTW, Bill of Rights is from Thompson'a Volume III published in 1773, > > so it was not a reference to the first 10 amendments to the U.S. > > Constitution. > > Apparently not--but does anyone on the list know to what it *was* > referring? My curiosity is piqued. There was an English "Bill of Rights", I think issued after the "Revolution" of 1690. ("...and would have been a Jesuit, but for the Revolution.") Will Linden wlinden-AT- panix.com http://www.panix.com/~wlinden/ Magic Code: MAS/GD S++ W++ N+ PWM++ Ds/r+ A-> a++ C+ G- QO++ 666 Y ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 17:20:29 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 17:20:24 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Off to Mendocino To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01IL49QCX4FMAEKSCP-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Folks -- Your friendly list administrator speaking. I'm off to Mendocino English Week tomorrow morning, and will be electronically unconnected until 7/21. Don't break anything while I'm gone, and play nice. -- Alan =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 415/926-3056 Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA 94309-0210 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 11:29:56 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 13:05:02 -0500 From: Charlene Charette Subject: Re: bibliography? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <33C7C74E.7B00-AT- flash.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <970711135305.3143-AT- GEORGE.BAKERU.EDU> FORBES-AT- GEORGE.BAKERU.EDU wrote: > John Millar, the former Naval Historian, must be used with EXTREME caution!! I'm familiar with the problems of using Millar for dance history, but how is he has a naval historian (my husband's current interest)? --Charlene ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 16:34:20 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 19:36:47 -0400 (EDT) From: JohnBerni-AT- aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Re: bibliography? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <970712193647_-2044590539-AT- emout10.mail.aol.com> From John Ramsay in St Louis concerning a basic bibliography... I can't get along without Country Dance Index, an index to sources of English and American Country Dances by Peter Rogers and published cooperatively between Christmas Country Dance School, Berea KY and CDSS. Third edition is 1986. Has Peter updated it? It should be updated every five years, the way new material keeps coming up! With the Index, one can look up most EC dances and find out where to locate instructions, printed music, and recordings. In the same vein, Dorothy Grossman's An Index to Printed Sources of Folk Dance Tunes from the United States and British Isles, is an incredible work. Dorothy has compiled an alphabetized list of more than10,000 tunes (with notation for the first few bars of each) from close to 160 sources. Full bibliographic entries are give for each source (itself a valuable list). The tunes are cross-referenced for those cases where the same tune has different names or the same name has different tunes. Dorothy self-published this work. Her address is 1031 E. Breckenridge St. Louisville KY 40204 altho CDSS may have some copies for sale. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 16:34:22 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 19:36:52 -0400 (EDT) From: JohnBerni-AT- aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Numbering of square sets To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <970712193651_409998901-AT- emout12.mail.aol.com> From John Ramsay in St Louis concerning numbering squares... Danish quadrilles, which share the same heritage as the British squares, today number head couples as 1 and 2 and side couples 3 (to the right) and 4 (to the left) of number 1 (who has backs toward the music). But an interesting aside--back in the early 70's the Danes were just delving into the longways formation, "row dances" as they call them and were having a dickens of a time figuring out about progressions. Dances were often formed "improper" as we would say. I don't know what the original Danish sources had in their notations. A Swedish dancer told me that men being on the left and women on the right is due to the ancient church custom of the men holding the warm South side of the old stone churches while the women were relegated to the North. Since churches faced east, the men were on the right and the women on the left until marriage when they turned around to be presented as a couple to the congregation, putting the man on the left of his partner and the woman on the right. What are the customs in Australia and former British possessions around the world and also in Europe? Comparisons may show some patterns. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 03:18:34 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 06:18:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Margaret Whaley <101454.633-AT- CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Bibliography To: ECD Message-ID: <970713101850_101454.633_IHP76-1-AT- CompuServe.COM> John Ramsay in St Louis concerning a basic bibliography writes:-. Quote: "I can't get along without Country Dance Index, an index to sources of English and American Country Dances by Peter Rogers and published cooperatively between Christmas Country Dance School, Berea KY and CDSS." "In the same vein, Dorothy Grossman's An Index to Printed Sources of Folk Dance Tunes from the United States and British Isles, is an incredible work............." Unquote. ------ What we real need is a Dancing Database!! Wouldn't it be wonderful to have *all* this information at our fiinger tips on CD Rom I have all sorts of wild sentences which start "When I retire......................... - and this is one of them! Margaret Whaley Oxfordshire "Work is the curse of the Dancing Classes" ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 06:23:30 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 08:21:31 +0000 From: sdean-AT- mhv.net Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Q: Dances, things to see in UK To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199707131331.JAA21035-AT- marvin.ulster.net> Two women I know are going over to England and Western Ireland in the approximate time frame 7/28 - 8/15. One of them is a Morris Dancer and ECD enthusiast. Anyone have suggestions for things to do/see in wasy of ECD, Morris or Ritual in that time frame? // "...dreams...life: they're the same, or life isn't worth living" // from Marcel Karne's Children of Paradise // // Stewart Dean Kingston, NY 12401 voice: 336-4815, fax: -2649 sdean-AT- mhv.net ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 06:33:05 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Return-Path: bolker-AT- phoenix.Princeton.EDU Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 09:34:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Susie Lorand Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: bibliography? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 12 Jul 1997 JohnBerni-AT- aol.com wrote: > From John Ramsay in St Louis concerning a basic bibliography... [snip] > In the same vein, Dorothy Grossman's An Index to Printed Sources of Folk > Dance Tunes from the United States and British Isles, is an incredible work. > Dorothy has compiled an alphabetized list of more than10,000 tunes (with > notation for the first few bars of each) from close to 160 sources. Full > bibliographic entries are give for each source (itself a valuable list). The > tunes are cross-referenced for those cases where the same tune has different > names or the same name has different tunes. Dorothy self-published this > work. Her address is 1031 E. Breckenridge St. Louisville KY 40204 altho > CDSS may have some copies for sale. i just found a copy in the cdss bookstore at english & american week at buffalo gap. if it isn't in the cdss catalogue (which isn't unpacked yet), it should be. cheers, susie lorand back in princeton, nj, and already missing camp... ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 04:07:33 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Return-Path: philippe.callens-AT- uia.ua.ac.be Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 13:10:05 +0200 From: Philippe Callens Subject: on line database To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU CC: aads-AT- club.innet.be Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <33CA090D.1424-AT- uia.ua.ac.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Margaret Whaley wrote: " What we real need is a Dancing Database!! Wouldn't it be wonderful to have *all* this information at our fiinger tips on CD Rom" Oh well, I am so happy this is idea mentioned on the list. For a few years now, the idea of having a database of English country dances on line has been going through my head. Such a database could include name of dance, meter, formation, original source, interpretation, recordings of the tune etc. I really know what I am talking about. Going through lots and lots of books again to find some dance ... and still miss valuable information. Memory is limited! In Holland, Ruud Wilders who takes care of the NVS Archives has done a good job but his time is limited and the database (which is available on a floppy or as hard copy) isn't updated. Mike Richardson and another fellow from Seattle *have* a database for squares and contras. "American country dances on line" it is called and contains the notation for each dance. That could be an example. See http://www.scar.rad.washington.edu/dances/ Since the Internet is bringing people together whose interest is geographically widely spread, developing such a database would be a great opportunity for some international project. Where are the computer people on this list? Alan Winston (?), Bob Archer, who else? Who can provide a server somewhere? We also need some people with good sense for bibliographic references (e.g. library people - I am one of those; who else?) Putting in the data can be done by several people. Time that some one does this all at home for a private database has gone by. Let's cooperate. Moreover, I feel that societies as EFDSS, CDSS, AADS, NVS, ... should collaborate in one way or another. Philippe Callens Antwerp, Belgium ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 06:09:37 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 08:11:39 -0500 (CDT) From: FORBES-AT- GEORGE.BAKERU.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: bibliography? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <970714081139.4052-AT- GEORGE.BAKERU.EDU> I have no idea of the quality of Millar's Naval History expertise. I do believe he has taught the subject at the college or university level. Stop in at your local library and have them check Millar out on the OCLC list. You can get a run on his writings in that area. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 06:35:42 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 09:38:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Mary2dance-AT- aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Men on the left To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <970714093826_-759832934-AT- emout19.mail.aol.com> John Ramsay wrote: ...A Swedish dancer told me that men being on the left and women on the right is due to the ancient church custom of the men holding the warm South side ... I was told that the lady walked on the non-dog, non-sword side of the gentleman. The church positioning seems a little forced to me. If the congregation was segragated during the service, the women would all be on the left (facing the altar), which would mean that the gentleman had "handed the lady across" to her chair. They would, however, be correctly placed for the walk home. (Don't forget to collect your sword from the porch!) Mary Luckhardt ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 08:18:58 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 11:21:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Jackson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: on line database To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199707141521.LAA15809-AT- waters.sanders.lockheed.com> I have been kicking this idea around in my head for weeks now. I think the ideal would be an on-line server with - dance title - formation - music info (time sig, key, # bars, etc.) - level of difficulty?, - a pointer to the source of the dance, - some keywords about figures included, - Editorial comments about the dance Could the dance instructions be included? I think there would be major copyright issues involved. I think this type of database would be a great help to callers putting together a program. I would be happy to contribute my time and energy to such a project, unfortunately the Lockheed Martin company is unlikely to let me use any of their servers. Rich Jackson ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 11:58:57 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 15:00:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "Hanny D. Budnick" <74031.77-AT- CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Fried for (F)all To: ECD list Message-ID: <970714190040_74031.77_BHT127-1-AT- CompuServe.COM> Hi all - You've read about Fried de Metz Herman's tour of England - now you can come to the first Fried for (F)all! On September 5 - 7, 1997 Fried will present a weekend of English Country Dancing (mostly her own) to the music of A Joyful Noise (Barbara Greenberg, Dan Beerbohm, Kathy Talvitie) at a conference center near Philadelphia, PA. Total cost (Friday dinner to after lunch on Sunday and EVERYTHING in between) is $ 125. Email (asap) to 76416.276-AT- compuserve.com gets you further details. Since this is a first attempt at a residential weekend in our area, and since the deposit date for the facility is approaching fast: if you intend to come to the weekend, PLEASE commit yourself before the end of July! And for you dance gypsies: on September 3rd the Germantown Country Dancers start their fall season, and on September 4th the Thursday Night Contra is dancing... Hanny Budnick, Philadelphia, PA ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 12:57:43 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 16:05:26 -0400 From: peggyl-AT- netdepot.com (Peggy Lamberson) Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Wibsey Roundabout To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199707142006.QAA13180-AT- jupiter.netdepot.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <33C587D9.2A1D-AT- trw.com> Hi all, Does anyone have the instructions to "Wibsey Roundabout"? Someone told me it was published in the CDSS newsletter in 1994, but it's not in either of the two '94 issues that I still have. A friend of mine who's in love with the tune really wants to do the dance. If someone could email me the instructions, I'd be most grateful! Peggy Lamberson peggyl-AT- netdepot.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 13:47:40 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 16:49:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Benjamin Stein <102510.477-AT- CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Data Base To: English Message-ID: <970714204934_102510.477_HHM61-1-AT- CompuServe.COM> I like the proposed listing of dances but, like the author, I have some questions about the "level of difficulty" classification. It really needs to be broken down into at least four different catagories. 1. Level of difficulty so far as spacial orientation is concerned. 2. Level of difficulty so far as technique is concerned 3. Physical level of diffiuclty. 4. Challenge for memorization. Let me illustrate with some traditional contra dances and English Country Dances. Lady of the Lake is very easy so far as either technique or spacial orientation are concerned but, with 16 bars of swinging, half not with partners, in every 32 it is extremely difficult physically for older dancers. Money Musk is very simple in spacial configuration and physically not challenging but for those with limited knowledge and poor timing the 24 bar version is very difficult. Juice of Barley is an "easy" dance for newcomers but with its fast circling has "difficult" aspects for physically challenged dancers. Step Stately in contrast is a difficult dance in technique, spacial orientation and particulatly in memorization but is physically rather easy. In short-Level of difficulty is in itself a difficult criterium to classify. Ben Stein Burlington, Vermont USA 102510.477-AT- Compuserve.Com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 15:34:06 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 18:38:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Praetzel Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: on line database To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199707142238.SAA30027-AT- sca.uwaterloo.ca> Content-Type: text Rich Jackson wrote: > I think the ideal would be an on-line server with > - dance title > - formation ... Search engines could be written easily enough. Wish I had time for it. > I would be happy to contribute my time and energy to such a project, > unfortunately the Lockheed Martin company is unlikely to let me use > any of their servers. Well, in some ways that is no problem. I've got a server if you've got the data :) I would be partial to text-based database where people could email in dances and they'd be tacked onto the database. For now all that would matter was coming up with a list of good fields to break the information into. Any modifications later could be done via software. Adding extra fields after the fact would be no problem. Making it web-searchable would be easy enough (I've seen it done and can imagine how to do it; but have not had the time to actually do it). A "difficulty" field would be interesting. I remember going to a class called "And you thought English Country was easy?" :) I've seen easy tripple minors and ones that had dance addicts barely getting it down after a lot of walk-thrus and many repeats of the music. I'd propose a 3 difficulty level; the no-brainer; medium and ouch-my-head- hurts. I can't see people needing many more shades of gray and this would reduce the list a fair bit without driving the difficulty-ranker up a wall. Of course we'd need the "fun" rating as well. If I'm not going to get in a gypsy with my partner on every repeat and a good swing with every other woman within reach; well; what is the point? Perhaps the scales could include who_was_my_partner?, ahh_there_you_are_again and gypsy_and_never_let_go (tongue heavily in my cheek!). - Eric http://sca.uwaterloo.ca ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 19:04:52 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 22:06:54 -0400 (EDT) From: "Susan R. Murrow" <75272.730-AT- CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Wibsey Roundabout To: "INTERNET:ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.Stanford.EDU" Message-ID: <970715020654_75272.730_GHI96-1-AT- CompuServe.COM> Hi Peggy, and all : "Wibsey Roundabout" is an unusual and delightful dance devised by Gary Roodman and is published in his 1996 collection of dances, entitled, "Some Further Calculated Figures" The tune was written by O'Carolan -- O great composer of memorable tunes! ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 21:17:08 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 00:20:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "m.a.j. mckenna" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Fried for (F)all To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970715001411.23f75518-AT- pop.mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" disconsolate Southerners, take heart: if you can't afford the $$$ for Philly, come to Atlanta for ECDA's annual ball weekend and dance to Jacqueline Schwab-Earl Gaddis-Daron Douglas and the fabulous Bruce Hamilton! (sorry Hanny. :-} ) maryn mckenna atlanta, ga., but not in any official capacity, no sir. At 03:00 PM 7/14/97 -0400, you wrote: >Hi all - > You've read about Fried de Metz Herman's tour of England - now you can come to >the first > Fried for (F)all! > > On September 5 - 7, 1997 Fried will present a weekend of English Country >Dancing (mostly her own) to the music of > > A Joyful Noise (Barbara Greenberg, Dan Beerbohm, Kathy Talvitie) > >at a conference center near Philadelphia, PA. Total cost (Friday dinner to after >lunch on Sunday and EVERYTHING in between) is $ 125. Email (asap) to >76416.276-AT- compuserve.com gets you further details. >Since this is a first attempt at a residential weekend in our area, and since >the deposit date for the facility is approaching fast: if you intend to come to >the weekend, PLEASE commit yourself before the end of July! > >And for you dance gypsies: on September 3rd the Germantown Country Dancers start >their fall season, and on September 4th the Thursday Night Contra is dancing... > >Hanny Budnick, Philadelphia, PA > > > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 03:52:02 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Return-Path: philippe.callens-AT- uia.ua.ac.be Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 12:53:26 +0200 From: Philippe Callens Subject: Re: Wibsey Roundabout To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <33CB56A6.1777-AT- uia.ua.ac.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <970715020654_75272.730_GHI96-1-AT- CompuServe.COM> It has been published in the CDSS News but don't use that version because a further developed one appeared in Gary Roodman's third book (which is worth purchasing). It is a nice dance that pleases about every sort of dancer. Philippe Callens ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:04:49 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 11:12:32 -0400 From: peggyl-AT- netdepot.com (Peggy Lamberson) Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Wibsey Roundabout To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199707151513.LAA00091-AT- jupiter.netdepot.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <970715020654_75272.730_GHI96-1-AT- CompuServe.COM> Susan R. Murrow (Mon, 14 Jul 1997 22:06:54 -0400 (EDT)): >Hi Peggy, and all : > >"Wibsey Roundabout" is an unusual and delightful dance >devised by Gary Roodman and is published in his 1996 >collection of dances, entitled, "Some Further Calculated Figures" Thanks... Would you happen to know the publisher/ISBN? Atlanta is a wasteland as far as finding such books is concerned, so I'll have to special-order it. TIA, Peggy Lamberson ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:21:02 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 11:22:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Benjamin Stein <102510.477-AT- CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Data base To: English Message-ID: <970715152224_102510.477_HHM59-1-AT- CompuServe.COM> Eric's comments on "level of difficulty" and "fun rating" provide an unconcious complement to my previous comments. I for one don't need a gypsy on every possible occassion and, at almost 75, find a lot of swinging to be painful. Besides, I always did think that a lot of swinging often interrupted the flow of the dance. Personally my tastes for fun go more to dances like Kelstern Gardens where the flow carries over from one repeat to the next and the interesting musical phrasing of 8bars,8bars,6bars,6bars only adds to the joy. As to "diffiuclty" perhaps the solution would be to break down the heading into 1. Complexity 2. Technical difficulty 3. Physical stress 4. Difficulty in memorization Obviously, from the differences in just our two points of view, both "Fun" and "Difficulty rating" are very subjective-and that is the problem! Ben Stein Burlington, Vt USA 102510.477-AT- Compuserve.Com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:36:06 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 15:51:20 +0000 From: bob-AT- hottub.demon.co.uk Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Classifying dances To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <868980231.094363.0-AT- hottub.demon.co.uk> Eric Praetzel wrote: > Of course we'd need the "fun" rating as well. If I'm not going to get > in a gypsy with my partner on every repeat and a good swing with every > other woman within reach; well; what is the point? Perhaps the scales > could include who_was_my_partner?, ahh_there_you_are_again and > gypsy_and_never_let_go (tongue heavily in my cheek!). I've always wanted to divide dances into "those to do with someone who you really want to dance with" ( lots of partner swings, gypsies whatever) and "those to do with someone who you feel you have to dance with for politeness sake but would rather not" (mixers, dances without much partner interaction). I've never dared announce this at a dance because I think it might cause quite a lot of trouble ("So, you only asked me because you don't have to see much of me during this dance!"). When I was about 14 I was at a dance that my father was calling and, after half an evenings worth of indecision I plucked up courage to ask this girl who I really fancied to dance. He then called Lucky Seven (a mixer). I got to dance with her for 16 bars then she was whisked away to the other side of the room. I still haven't forgiven him for that :-) Bob ---------------------------------------------------------- -- Bob Archer bob-AT- hottub.demon.co.uk ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:55:53 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 15:36:54 +0000 From: bob-AT- hottub.demon.co.uk Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: on line database To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <868980231.094362.0-AT- hottub.demon.co.uk> Since this idea seems to be gathering pace I shall throw in a few random comments: I seem to recall that someone had already put Playford's Dancing Master on the web (although I'm not sure if it was in an easily searchable format). There is already an index of dances that have been published. It's called "What was that dance?" and was published by Bob Howe and (I think) Freida Macintosh a few years ago. It is my first reference when looking up unknown dances. It is just a list of dance titles and the books they have been published in, it does not include dance notations. I have a feeling that this was originally prepared on computer. If we wish to include dances that are currently available in printed collections by people such as Colin Hume, Tom Cook, the Wrights, Fried de Metz Herman, Gary Roodman etc. are we going to run into copyright problems. Hugh, I know you looked into this when putting together your contras site - can you comment at all? Unfortunately I don't have server space to contribute - can anyone from a friendly university help? Bob ---------------------------------------------------------- -- Bob Archer bob-AT- hottub.demon.co.uk ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 09:23:16 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 17:28:29 +0000 (BRITAIN) From: HUGH-AT- SDL.UG.EDS.COM Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: on line database To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <01IL9V7WUV6Q00009X-AT- SDL.UG.EDS.COM> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT About 3 years ago Rhod Davies (now rhod-AT- esoft.co.uk) had the source to "What was that dance" (plus extensions he had typed in) in a relational database / series of flat files. The main table went from "L" For Leather|0|0|jack_be_nimble|p7| "See Yer Thursday"|0|0|the_stafford_ruby_collection|p6| 'Simmons|0|0|handy_play_party_book|p64| 'Twas O'er The Hills And Far Away|0|0|retreads_2|n16| (Side Order To The Bps)|0|0|lullaby_of_the_swing|| 18th Of January|0|0|why_not_dance_with_me|| 1st Figure Of Overaker Suite|0|0|why_not_dance_with_me|| 1st Set Quadrilles|0|0|old_tyme_dancing|p60| 25th Of January, The|0|0|everybodys_doing_it|p7| 285-4673|0|0|crossing_the_cascades|p1| 292-0489|0|0|dizzy_dances_3|p22| and continued for 9000 odd lines until it finished with Zephyrs And Flora|0|0|fallibroome_2|?| Zephyrs And Flora|0|0|the_playford_ball|p109| Zest Contra's Portland Fancy|0|0|zesty_contras|n864| Zetsko Kolo|0|0|dances_of_yugoslavia|p26| Zevenspron, De|0|0|dances_of_the_netherlands|p36| Zeybekiko|0|0|folk_dances_of_the_greeks|p64| Zig Zag Thru - Around The Ring|0|0|the_american_cowboy_square_dance_book|p28| Zip A Dee Doo Dah|0|0|singing_squares|nA4| Zombie Reel|0|0|occasional_dances|p11| Zombies Of Sugar Hill, The|0|0|dizzy_dances_2|p3| Zorn's Whirligig|0|0|zesty_contras|n469| Zupcanka|0|0|dances_of_yugoslavia|p23| `O' Gron, Yr|0|0|llangadfan_fach|| I don't think there are any copyright issues over publishing an index to peoples dances; obviously publishing the dances themselves could upset anyone who plans to make their fortune by selling books of their dances. Rhod is happy to supply copies of his files (I expect they are still there on his http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/users/rhod/dance/index.html Manchester University pages), but he is now busy in the real world and has neither the time nor web space to support any major campaign. I think if someone has the time and web space then this would be a good starting point, but it would take a lot of effort to get going properly, and would turn into a long term commitment. On the other hand, as has been said, it would indeed be a useful public service. (I think someone has already mentioned the Russell Owen / Mike Richardson Contra dance server at http://www.scar.rad.washington.edu/dances/ where they are (with the author's permission) accumulating contra dances rather than merely indexing them.) Hugh Stewart Cambridge UK (My mail address is hugh-AT- sdl.ug.eds.com, not the truncated version my network connection is currently supplying) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 09:36:49 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 12:39:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Jackson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Data base To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199707151639.MAA16601-AT- waters.sanders.lockheed.com> > Ben Stein writes: > As to "diffiuclty" perhaps the solution would be to break down the heading into > 1. Complexity > 2. Technical difficulty > 3. Physical stress > 4. Difficulty in memorization > Ok, I knew this would open a can of worms, but it is the only subjective part of the list of items I presented. So I suppose if we can come up with a reasonable definition of "difficulty", the rest will be easy. I can see separating physically difficult dances from mentally difficult dances, but does't "complexity" imply "technical difficulty" imply "difficulty in memorization"? And if they are really different, couldn't we lump them together for data base purposes into a level of mentally challenging"? Rich Jackson ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 11:10:53 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Return-Path: bolker-AT- phoenix.Princeton.EDU Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 14:13:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Susie Lorand Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Sum Further Calculated Figures (Gary Roodman's 3rd? book of dances) To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 15 Jul 1997, Peggy Lamberson wrote: > Would you happen to know the publisher/ISBN? Atlanta is a wasteland as > far as finding such books is concerned, so I'll have to special-order > it. > > TIA, > > Peggy Lamberson i just checked the cdss catalogue, and you can order it from them. (probably with a discount, if you're a member.) - susie lorand ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 12:05:12 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 14:06:54 -0500 (CDT) From: FORBES-AT- GEORGE.BAKERU.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: on line database To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <970715140654.3721-AT- GEORGE.BAKERU.EDU> A basic list of the Dancing Master collections can be obtained through a resource called the National Tune Index. Contact Kate Van Winkle Keller for further details. I have set up my own index which has the following: Collection by date/page Title Formation Time Signature Number of sections/Measures in Each Mode (a mis-application of the old Modal System) Whether included in the Sharp publications (Country Dance Book, parts 2,3,4, and 6) It needs a touch of cleaning up. The difference between this work and, for example, the Barlow work: this includes tunes without dance directions and includes Parts 1 (1-18 and extra little collections) Parts 2 (1-4) and Part 3 (only copy known). I also have alternate titels listed. Sellenger's Round is listed under that title as well as "The Beginning of the World) It's ready to go except for a little tidying up--by I would want to think long and hard before issuing it the list membership (or any other list for that matter) Forbes/Baker University ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 12:13:06 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 15:15:28 -0400 From: Barbara Ruth Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Classifying dances To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: Reply to: RE>Classifying dances Bob Archer wrote: I've always wanted to divide dances into "those to do with someone who you really want to dance with" ( lots of partner swings, gypsies whatever) and "those to do with someone who you feel you have to dance with for politeness sake but would rather not" (mixers, dances without much partner interaction). I've never dared announce this at a dance .... ---------------- My friend, former room-mate and current Morris Squire, Andrew, refers to those in the latter category as "Ugly Cousin Dances". . . ;) Barbara Ruth New Haven, CT ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 12:51:04 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 15:50:01 -0400 From: Barbara Ruth Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: English dancing at camp To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: Reply to: English dancing at camp susie lorand wrote: i just found a copy in the cdss bookstore at english & american week at buffalo gap..... cheers, susie lorand back in princeton, nj, and already missing camp... ------------------------------------------------- You're not the only one feeling that way, Susie. My body is in shock over getting up and spending hours in front of a computer screen, when it is used to starting out with three hours of vigorous exercise before lunch alone! Whew, this sitting still is tiring. Thanks to Sue Dupre for setting up such a terrific week of dance and music. Happily English week at Pinewoods is coming up, so I have some solace to look forward to. Phillippe, is there any chance of working on "Dutch Crossing" as an advanced English dance? I did it once with Kathy Anderson calling, and the music played as a Southern-style square. It was fantastic, but I've wanted to try it as a real English dance ever since. Barbara Ruth New Haven, CT ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 13:41:04 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 16:43:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Arnold Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: English dancing at camp To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 15 Jul 1997, Barbara Ruth wrote: > Happily English week at Pinewoods is coming up, so I have some solace to look > forward to. Phillippe, is there any chance of working on "Dutch Crossing" as an > advanced English dance? I did it once with Kathy Anderson calling, and the > music played as a Southern-style square. It was fantastic, but I've wanted to > try it as a real English dance ever since. That's a dance we ought to be able to do on our own; it's pretty much a question of good timing and appreciating the symmetry of the figures. How about if we recruit a musician or two and 14 + n x 16 (n integer) other dancers who are interested to see what we can do with it. Then we can do it as a FTWK dance some evening... Eric Arnold Ann Arbor ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 14:36:13 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 07:39:00 +1000 From: Martin Hungerford Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: on line database To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199707152143.HAA25189-AT- darth.netcon.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Subject: Re: on line database >Sent: 15/7/97 1:21 AM >Received: 15/7/97 7:45 AM >From: Richard Jackson, rjackso1-AT- waters.sanders.lockheed.com >Reply-To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.Stanford.EDU >To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU > > >I have been kicking this idea around in my head for weeks now. > >I think the ideal would be an on-line server with > - dance title > - formation > - music info (time sig, key, # bars, etc.) > - level of difficulty?, > - a pointer to the source of the dance, > - some keywords about figures included, > - Editorial comments about the dance > >Could the dance instructions be included? I think there would be major >copyright issues involved. > >I think this type of database would be a great help to callers putting >together a program. I would be happy to contribute my time and energy to >such a project, unfortunately the Lockheed Martin company is unlikely to >let me use any of their servers. > >Rich Jackson > Add the tunes of the dances as well. :) Martin Hungerford Fryerstown ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 14:47:07 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 17:34:49 -0400 From: The Dupre Family Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Bibliography To: 'ECD List' Message-ID: <01BC9147.96ADA840-AT- ppp5.nerc.com> Good afternoon all! I'm very pleased to have the Neal collection of dances among my resources. It's officially titled "A Choice Collection of Country Dances (as printed and sold by John and William Neal in Christ Church Yard, Dublin, c. 1726)," edited by Rich Jackson and George Fogg. There are several dances I use regularly from that book. Sue Dupre Lawrenceville, NJ dupre-AT- nerc.com ph: (609) 844-0459 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 15:32:30 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 18:32:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Colin Hume <100116.165-AT- CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: bibliography? To: ECD Mailing List Message-ID: <970715223227_100116.165_EHU73-3-AT- CompuServe.COM> FORBES-AT- GEORGE.BAKERU.EDU wrote: >> Caveat Emptor re" items listed >> in the basic ECD bibliography Colin Hume employs some very >> interesting, often suspect harmonies. OK, I'll rise to the bait! I'm fascinated to know what you mean by "suspect harmonies". Unusual, certainly - as are my dances, so they fool both dancers and musicians who think they know what to expect. But by "suspect" do you mean they don't work? Colin Hume ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 18:51:12 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 21:55:25 -0500 From: eferguson-AT- umassd.edu (Emily L. Ferguson) Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Data base To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've got this large database in Hypercard. Rich and Colin know about it, as do most of the Boston leaders and Mike Richardson, and Scott and Bruce and Gene. It's over 500 dances now. Most of what I think of as the American English repertoire and quite a few new things as well. It's laid out so each dance fits on a 3x5 card. The fields are: Name Source Page # in source Difficulty Formation Introit of melody in original key Formula for melody (i.e. "3xaabb" for a USA dance, or "abb" for some longways with 2 b's) Instructions in "knitting abbreviation" format. Quite a few graphics included. Up/Down arrows, circles, squares etc. I don't have a clue about how to put a Hypercard stack on a web site, or how to make such a thing accessible to non-Mac users. My provider is a miracle in this day and age, but no way would I be able to set up a site. Geocities? Emily L. Ferguson - Cape Cod, Massachusetts eferguson-AT- umassd.edu Photographer, English Country Dance leader, weaver/spinner No matter which side of the fence you're on, the grass will always turn brown if you don't water it. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 04:14:32 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Return-Path: philippe.callens-AT- uia.ua.ac.be Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 13:16:44 +0200 From: Philippe Callens Subject: Dutch Crossing To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <33CCAD9C.42DF-AT- uia.ua.ac.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: Barbara Ruth asked whether I could teach Dutch Crossing at Pinewoods next month. I can of course do so. Is this dance familiar to English country dancers in America? I know Tony Parkes uses it (he picked it up in Belgium in 1989) and apparently also Kathy Anderson. Also Rusty Wright, a western square dance caller from Santa Fe, NM, calls it! You may like to know that this dance was written by the Dutch caller Ernst van Brakel. He wrote it to the tune of the "Merry Lads of Ayr", a Scottish reel. In my opinion, that is the tune for the dance. If you have ever danced it to that tune, you may (or not) agree that they belong together. For your information, Colin Hume wrote a 'new' tune for it which can be found in "Dances with a difference, vol. 3". Philippe Callens ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 04:22:19 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 07:23:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Margaret Whaley <101454.633-AT- CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Wibsey Roundabout To: ECD Message-ID: <970716112334_101454.633_IHP91-1-AT- CompuServe.COM> We danced Wibsey Roundabout at the Edinburgh Ball last year - and the instructions are with the Assembly Player's latest CD/Cassette "Playford from the New World", which is a recording of all the dances done that night - with instructions! - This is the Recording that Sharon Green enthused about after her British trip. - It's a great recording - isn't it Sharon? Margaret Whaley Oxfordshire ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 05:32:07 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 08:36:08 -0500 From: Mary Beth Goodman Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Data base To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Emily and all! What fun to see this idea kicked around.... If we can figure out how to convert the hypercard format to text files..... setting up the web site would be easy! I'd guess a format something like Home Page with links to: longways square formation triple minor 2 couple 3 couple etc.... and then a page for each "group" with a list of titles and perhaps date, perhaps code of "author". Each title would be linked to dance info. What do you say? And as far as WHERE to put all this..... yes geo cities does provide free sites, but how about CDSS's provider? I wouldn't guess that these pages would be very large - pages that are mainly text are pretty small in the scheme of things. Mary Beth <-- wanna be webmaster who's off to quilt camp - back sunday http://www.albany.net/~mgoodman/ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 05:33:28 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 08:36:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Jackson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Bibliography To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199707161236.IAA16928-AT- waters.sanders.lockheed.com> > From owner-ecd-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.Stanford.EDU Tue Jul 15 17:59:11 1997 > X-Listname: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance > > Warnings-To: <> > Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 17:34:49 -0400 > From: The Dupre Family > Subject: Bibliography > To: "'ECD List'" > > Good afternoon all! I'm very pleased to have the Neal collection of dances > among my resources. It's officially titled "A Choice Collection of Country > Dances (as printed and sold by John and William Neal in Christ Church Yard, > Dublin, c. 1726)," edited by Rich Jackson and George Fogg. There are > several dances I use regularly from that book. > > Sue Dupre > Lawrenceville, NJ > dupre-AT- nerc.com ph: (609) 844-0459 > > > Sue, Thanks for the plug. CDS, Boston Centre still has copies of it in stock. So does CDSS. Rich Jackson ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 06:20:17 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 09:19:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Margaret Whaley <101454.633-AT- CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Making the most of Colin To: ECD Message-ID: <970716131957_101454.633_IHP120-1-AT- CompuServe.COM> What! Colin Hume back in England - with no or few engagements!! Snap him up quick! So last Tuesday we went to what was described as a "Unique Occasion!" - Colin Hume calling and Chris Oxtoby (of Sound Company) playing. Lovely evening - with Colin in fine form! - Calling one minute - accompanying Chris on the piano, the next!! We did quite a few of his new dances - including New York Times and Renata. New York Times definitely has my vote - I enjoyed dancing that very much, but I'm afraid that I like Renata in person much better than I like her dance! (sorry, Colin - but you knew I always give you my honest opinion!) However, he did call another of his new ones (- I think we were the first dancers ever to do it!), and it was absolutely super - and I was not the only one to say so! It's called "Mr Handels' Minuet" and the tune is an Minuet from Handel's Water Music. If I remember correctly it was a triple-minor. When Colin returns to your side of the Atlantic - get him to do it - it's almost as good as Winter Memories!! (if he's going to come back with dances like that, you can have him a bit longer!!) Margaret Whaley Oxfordshire - Oh yes, and in true Amercian style - he finished up with a waltz! Very ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 06:21:31 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 08:23:22 -0500 (CDT) From: FORBES-AT- GEORGE.BAKERU.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: bibliography? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <970716082322.3cd0-AT- GEORGE.BAKERU.EDU> July 16, 1997 Colin: If you'll send me your e-mail address, I'll reply off the list. Forbes/Baker University ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 06:23:14 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 08:25:01 -0500 (CDT) From: FORBES-AT- GEORGE.BAKERU.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: bibliography? To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <970716082501.3cd0-AT- GEORGE.BAKERU.EDU> Reply 2 Also, your snail mail address. I'll send you a comparative analysis of one of your dance harmonizations compared to three others. Forbes/Baker University ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 07:00:18 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 10:03:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Praetzel Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: on line database To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199707161403.KAA10712-AT- sca.uwaterloo.ca> Content-Type: text Bob Archer wrote: > I seem to recall that someone had already put Playford's Dancing > Master on the web (although I'm not sure if it was in an easily > searchable format). It is on my site at the least. I've got it in HTML (yech, ptueee - ie don't print it unless you are desperate), postscript and Word Perfect 7. I've been told to burn it because the music is (currently) a scan of a 1933 edition in which the music came from many editions; not just the first. The music is all typed in in Noteworthy Composer (Windows based music composer) as well as MIDI. Plenty of text copies exist. It can get confusing though. I had someone ask me where "The Shaking of the Sheets" was. Turns out that was the name of Nighpeace in a later edition! > Unfortunately I don't have server space to contribute - can anyone > from a friendly university help? No problem. I'm burning about 300M of web space in pictures as it is. I'd never notice 20M being used for ECD :) In fact I was going to start using up more of my disk space by putting WAVE files of SCA dance arrangements on my web page. It's only disk space!! - Eric http://sca.uwaterloo.ca ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 07:20:02 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 10:22:53 -0400 From: Maryn McKenna Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Making the most of Colin To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Margaret Whaley said of a Colin evening... >his new dances - including New York Times and Renata. > >New York Times definitely has my vote - I enjoyed dancing that very much... a dance patterned on the NYT: the mind boggles. (it's linear and traditional and goes on forever? joke, that was a *joke*...) Colin, can we see this at Pwoods? maryn borrowing sharon's .sig: certainly not a media critic for any East Coast newspaper -[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]- maryn mckenna atlanta, georgia mmckenna-AT- mindspring.com -[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]-[]- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 10:36:11 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 13:39:07 -0400 From: Barbara Ruth Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Wibsey Roundabout To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: Reply to: RE>>Wibsey Roundabout Will it be available at the CDSS bookstore at English week? Barbara Ruth New Haven, CT -------------------------------------- Date: 7/16/97 7:29 AM To: Barbara Ruth From: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.Stanford.EDU We danced Wibsey Roundabout at the Edinburgh Ball last year - and the instructions are with the Assembly Player's latest CD/Cassette "Playford from the New World", which is a recording of all the dances done that night - with instructions! - This is the Recording that Sharon Green enthused about after her British trip. - It's a great recording - isn't it Sharon? Margaret Whaley Oxfordshire ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 10:47:34 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 13:45:37 -0400 From: Barbara Ruth Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: English dancing at camp To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: Reply to: RE>>English dancing at camp/Dutch Crossing No disrespect intended but I have more confidence in Phillipe's teaching than in the prospect of 18 dancers getting together and figuring it out. I dance on a Morris team after all, and I know what it's like to get just 6 dancers to agree on how something should be done without a strong leader telling them what to do. Also I have no idea what a FTWK dance is. Barbara Ruth New Haven, CT -------------------------------------- That's a dance we ought to be able to do on our own; it's pretty much a question of good timing and appreciating the symmetry of the figures. How about if we recruit a musician or two and 14 + n x 16 (n integer) other dancers who are interested to see what we can do with it. Then we can do it as a FTWK dance some evening... Eric Arnold Ann Arbor ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 10:56:07 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 13:58:32 -0400 (EDT) From: JohnBerni-AT- aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Data Base To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <970716113129_1758396400-AT- emout03.mail.aol.com> From John Ramsay in St Louis... >>Margaret Whaley wrote: What we real(ly) need is a Dancing Database!! Wouldn't it be wonderful to have *all* this information at our finger tips on CD Rom. Apparently I was not alone in spending a sleepless night dreaming about this. The response to Margaret's dream was exciting. Philippe Callens seems to be speaking for many of us when he says... >>Since the Internet is bringing people together whose interest is geographically widely spread, developing such a database would be a great opportunity for some international project. Richard Jackson, Eric Praetzel, Philippe Callens, and Ben Stein have already made some format suggestions. I would like to propose that we (ECD via Stanford-- Thank you Alan) undertake the data base development. We should plan intelligently rather than just jump in and starting a data base. Let's develop a plan first, which would tackle some of the following issues: 1. Should there be different levels of access-- e.g. a) a simple index of dance titles and tune names and their published or other sources (no copyright problem here), b) a categorizing of the dances and tunes-- several of you have already started a list of categories, c) instructions for the dances and notes for the tunes (copyright and financial considerations should be respected and arranged-- this could be a great encouragement to professionals who contribute so much in skill and are yet dependent on the income for making it possible for them to be professionals) d) video demonstrations for both learning and leading with historic material supplemented as appropriate. The opportunities are great: the world's wealthiest people are in the computer business. Levels c and d could be set up with a fee structure and or subscription arrangement. I would like to see CDSS take some leadership here, building in a fee structure to enable the Society to expand its services in new ways and to more people and to become the AOL of ECD. 2. Those of our group who are computer savvy would design the system to enable the plan to work. There would be web pages, linkages, fee structures, and protections to be put in place. 3. Consider ways to keep the project self-monitored, accessible to everyone, and responsive to the interests of the community of dancers, leaders, and musicians. Who would take leadership in the development of the plan? 4. Determine what our limits should be-- where are the limits to what type of dance we are interested in and committed to. 5. Design input strategies-- can the Mormon's Family History project be a model (there are procedures in place so that anyone can submit material to be included in genealogical records worldwide)? The capabilities of computers are almost unbelievable. 6. Keep in mind throughout that we are only using the computer in the service of living, physical dance communities. I believe that this project can facilitate the development of such human communities, but that we need to be aware that there are dangers of control, dishonesty, greed etc. which can creep in, as they can in any system. What we have going for us is that country dancers already seem to understand the delicacies and the delights of open, generous, cooperative, life-enhancing communities. We will have to be vigilant, responsive and responsible citizens to make this work. CDSS has already proven that life can work joyfully. Can we design a plan and then delegate parts of the project in a collaborative effort? ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 11:27:26 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 14:29:28 -0400 From: Benjamin Stein Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: NY Times To: English Message-ID: <199707161429_MC2-1AFC-A526-AT- compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please Colin let us all know when NY Times is published and where (and ca= n we get it through CDSS). Named in honor of the extensive article in the N= ew York Times about the New York Centre "Jane Austen" evenings and the increase in interest in English Country Dance engendered by the Jane Aust= en movies and TV presentations. Danced it in Boston the evening before Colin= 's Concord workshop and it is a great dance! Thanks Colin! Ben Stein Burlington, Vt. USA 102410.477-AT- Compuserve.Com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 15:14:13 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 18:17:08 -0400 (EDT) From: walkowit-AT- is2.nyu.edu (Daniel J. Walkowitz) Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Data Base To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <0EDF000X0N8KZJ-AT- is2.nyu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Now, if we can also arrange it so that we can "print" and get copies on 3X5 cards, all would be perfect. Danny Walkowitz >1. Should there be different levels of access-- e.g. >a) a simple index of dance titles and tune names and their published or other >sources (no copyright problem here), >b) a categorizing of the dances and tunes-- several of you have already >started a list of categories, >c) instructions for the dances and notes for the tunes (copyright and >financial considerations should be respected and arranged-- this could be a >great encouragement to professionals who contribute so much in skill and are >yet dependent on the income for making it possible for them to be >professionals) >d) video demonstrations for both learning and leading with historic material >supplemented as appropriate. The opportunities are great: the world's >wealthiest people are in the computer business. > >Levels c and d could be set up with a fee structure and or subscription >arrangement. I would like to see CDSS take some leadership here, building in >a fee structure to enable the Society to expand its services in new ways and >to more people and to become the AOL of ECD. > >2. Those of our group who are computer savvy would design the system to >enable the plan to work. There would be web pages, linkages, fee structures, >and protections to be put in place. > >3. Consider ways to keep the project self-monitored, accessible to everyone, >and responsive to the interests of the community of dancers, leaders, and >musicians. Who would take leadership in the development of the plan? > >4. Determine what our limits should be-- where are the limits to what type >of dance we are interested in and committed to. > >5. Design input strategies-- can the Mormon's Family History project be a >model (there are procedures in place so that anyone can submit material to be >included in genealogical records worldwide)? The capabilities of computers >are almost unbelievable. > >6. Keep in mind throughout that we are only using the computer in the >service of living, physical dance communities. I believe that this project >can facilitate the development of such human communities, but that we need to >be aware that there are dangers of control, dishonesty, greed etc. which can >creep in, as they can in any system. What we have going for us is that >country dancers already seem to understand the delicacies and the delights of >open, generous, cooperative, life-enhancing communities. We will have to be >vigilant, responsive and responsible citizens to make this work. CDSS has >already proven that life can work joyfully. > >Can we design a plan and then delegate parts of the project in a >collaborative effort? > > > > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 16:14:04 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 19:18:00 -0400 From: mls-AT- panix.com (Michael L. Siemon) Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Making the most of Colin To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:22 AM 7/16/97, Maryn McKenna wrote: >Margaret Whaley said of a Colin evening... > >>his new dances - including New York Times and Renata. >>New York Times definitely has my vote - I enjoyed dancing that very much... > >a dance patterned on the NYT: the mind boggles. (it's linear and >traditional and goes on forever? joke, that was a *joke*...) :-) Not patterned -- named after, from the article by Linda Wolfe that set the New York ECD community into a frenzy (of delightful activity.) He called it for the first time here in NYC, on the regular dance following our Playford Ball in April. >Colin, can we see this at Pwoods? ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 16:23:25 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 19:26:13 -0400 (EDT) From: MartinezPC-AT- aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Dutch Crossing To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <970716192607_-1878869278-AT- emout07.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-07-16 08:09:21 EDT, Phillippe Callens writes: " Barbara Ruth asked whether I could teach Dutch Crossing at Pinewoods next month. I can of course do so. Is this dance familiar to English country dancers in America?" I've encountered it only once, when it was taught by Helene Cornelius at Pinewoods English Week several years ago. I do remember it as great fun. Carol Martinez White Plains, NY ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 17:51:13 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 21:54:08 -0300 From: packmanv-AT- nbnet.nb.ca (packmanv) Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <19970717005406.AAA24021-AT- edmnts05c02.nbnet.nb.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" unsubscribe packmanv-AT- nbnet.nb.ca ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 19:47:17 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 22:50:11 -0400 (EDT) From: "m.a.j. mckenna" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Making the most of Colin To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970716224433.2157db4c-AT- pop.mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:18 PM 7/16/97 -0400, Michael Siemon wrote: >Not patterned -- named after, from the article by Linda Wolfe that set >the New York ECD community into a frenzy (of delightful activity.) He >called it for the first time here in NYC, on the regular dance following >our Playford Ball in April. > > oh, well, that's ok. :-] linda's article was awfully good and deserves to be memorialized. =-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-= M.A.J. McKenna staff writer, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution 404.526.5987 vox 404.526.5509 fax Standard disclaimers apply. =-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-= ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 22:40:51 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 22:27:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul J. Stamler" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Data Base To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU CC: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII John Ramsay has set out the problem in a clear, systematic, and ethically sensitive way; I imagine the idea of a tiered structure, with fees paid for use of copyrighted material, is fairly easy to implement. While we're properly concerned with protecting copyrighted dance instructions, of course we should keep in mind that a large percentage of the material we'd be posting is public domain, so questions of releases, royalties, etc. wouldn't come up. I'd like to see the completely PD material freely accessible, with the pay-per-view section for copyrighted material only. One question of definition: if a dance is "Playford, as interpreted by Fried de Metz Herman", should we treat it the same as a new dance as far as payment and royalties are concerned? My inclination is to say yes, but that should be hashed out before the project starts. Y'all might like to know that a dozen of us over on the "ballad-l" listserv have been doing a project for the last couple of years to compile a cross-index of as many collections of traditional folk ballads (printed books, not recordings -- yet) as we can. This project only indexes; we don't print the actual material, only references and cross-references, along with several fields of information such as "Earliest Date", "Author (if known)", "Alternate titles", "Cross-references" (ballads with similar themes, floating verses, etc.), and a short plot summary of each item. The project has gotten quite large, and with only about half a dozen people doing active indexing, it's already several megabytes in TXT format. These things have a way of growing. I'm astonished at the amount a few people can accomplish -- and with no money changing hands at any point: we're all doing this for free. Peace. Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 23:23:03 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 20:03:00 -0400 From: Martin.Fager-AT- bowne.com (Martin Fager) Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: NY Times To: English , Benjamin Stein Message-ID: <3CDBAB21.1618-AT- bowne.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I danced the "NY Times" in NYC at its premier, and also at Boston Center's July 4th Weekend at Pinewoods. At Pinewoods, the dance was done at a livelier tempo than Colin prefers. It is a fine dance, but I must say the livelier tempo vastly improves it. I am (from experience, having danced to Colin's teaching many times) firmly in the camp that finds his preferred tempos to often be too slow. The dance was actually composed in honor of Linda Wolfe, the author of the article. She had the pleasure of leading the set at its premier. Marty Fager ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: NY Times Author: Benjamin Stein at Internet-Express Date: 7/16/97 2:29 PM Please Colin let us all know when NY Times is published and where (and can we get it through CDSS). Named in honor of the extensive article in the New York Times about the New York Centre "Jane Austen" evenings and the increase in interest in English Country Dance engendered by the Jane Austen movies and TV presentations. Danced it in Boston the evening before Colin's Concord workshop and it is a great dance! Thanks Colin! Ben Stein Burlington, Vt. USA 102410.477-AT- Compuserve.Com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 00:35:05 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 21:37:13 -1000 From: b.smart-AT- juno.com (Barbara J Smart) Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: remove b.smart-AT- juno.com To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <19970716.213713.9694.9.B.Smart-AT- juno.com> References: <970716113129_1758396400-AT- emout03.mail.aol.com> remove b.smart-AT- juno.com unsubscribe b.smart-AT- juno.com thanks ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 05:57:23 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 09:00:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Arnold Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Dutch Crossing To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Philippe, On Wed, 16 Jul 1997, Philippe Callens wrote: > Barbara Ruth asked whether I could teach Dutch Crossing at Pinewoods > next month. I can of course do so. Is this dance familiar to English > country dancers in America? I have done it 4 or 5 times, at least twice with Kathy Anderson. I think it is fun to do, but I'd hate to see you spend lots of valuable class time on it -- I'd rather have your selection of dances, which I would expect to learn more from. My personal feeling is that it is the sort of dance that advanced dancers ought to be able to get together on their own, and would learn more from the experience of doing this than by having someone talk them through it. The figures themselves are pretty basic. Most problems seem to be of orientation and timing, and these are things that individual dancers themselves are ultimately responsible for. The very high level of symmetry can be extremely helpful with the orientation questions if the dancers are aware of that, and if the timing is right, then the folks that you are supposed to meet and turn with are much more likely to be in the right place when you are supposed to turn with them. Once dancers have a clear concept of what their role is, executing that is mostly a question of staying with the music and knowing which direction to look. It is a lot of fun when it really flows, but it doesn't seem to me to be the sort of dance that would make the best use of our collective time. I would rather see it done as an extra-curricular activity, even though I would be delighted for the opportunity to do it again. > You may like to know that this dance was written by the Dutch caller > Ernst van Brakel. He wrote it to the tune of the "Merry Lads of Ayr", a > Scottish reel. In my opinion, that is the tune for the dance. If you > have ever danced it to that tune, you may (or not) agree that they > belong together. I don't believe I have done it to the original tune; it would be good to get a copy of that, so that the tune can be propogated with the dance. Eric Arnold Ann Arbor EC dancer, leader, early music buff, teddy bear fancier and upcoming Pinewoods English Week registrant. P. S. Bring your recorders, flutes, cornetti, shawms, sackbuts, viols, racketts and whatever else you like to jam with, and let's have some late night music! Also bring your bears &/or other stuffed animals so mine have some company... ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 07:23:06 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 10:26:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephen D Corrsin Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD Digest V1 #235 To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU CC: ecd-digest-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This is my two bits on developing data bases. I've got one for my history of sword dancing bibliography, and another in Polish-Jewish history, so the materials I deal with are diverse. Key point: keep it simple. The tendency will be to try to come up with fields for every possible access point/ analysis point. Resist that temptation. Don't try to define everything (such as "is this category Real Playford, de Metz Herman Playford, or Turkey Trotsky and His Dixie Gypsies Playford?"). Keep it manageable, a simple structure with a few critical access points. (Oh, I don't know, I'm just a consumer: like composer if known, printed source, tune, copyrighted/ public domain, year -- or even century may be enough -- of composition/ publication, etc.) Less is more. Don't worry, I don't plan to contribute often. I just like to read the list. Steve Corrsin ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 07:23:08 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 10:26:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephen D Corrsin Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: ECD Digest V1 #235 To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU CC: ecd-digest-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This is my two bits on developing data bases. I've got one for my history of sword dancing bibliography, and another in Polish-Jewish history, so the materials I deal with are diverse. Key point: keep it simple. The tendency will be to try to come up with fields for every possible access point/ analysis point. Resist that temptation. Don't try to define everything (such as "is this category Real Playford, de Metz Herman Playford, or Turkey Trotsky and His Dixie Gypsies Playford?"). Keep it manageable, a simple structure with a few critical access points. (Oh, I don't know, I'm just a consumer: like composer if known, printed source, tune, copyrighted/ public domain, year -- or even century may be enough -- of composition/ publication, etc.) Less is more. Don't worry, I don't plan to contribute often. I just like to read the list. Steve Corrsin ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 09:42:50 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 12:45:22 -0400 From: Benjamin Stein Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Data Base To: "INTERNET:ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.Stanford.EDU" Message-ID: <199707171245_MC2-1B0F-D427-AT- compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Noticed the reference to Folk Ballads in a recent reply on the subject of= Data Base. Just would call your attention to the Home page that can be found under either the title of Mudcat Cafe or of the Digital Tradition. = It houses the words to about 6,000 Folk Songs. I have not beeen able to find= evcerything that I have looked for but occassionally it surprises me with= just how deep the data base goes. Enjoy! Ben Stein Burlington, Vt. 05401 102510.477-AT- Compuserve.Com By the way: Under compuserves new structure I can ALSO be reached at dancers-AT- Compuserve.Com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 12:19:55 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 15:20:42 +0000 (GMT) From: Margherita Modica Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Stepnotes To: webatcheler-AT- juno.com, ce3-AT- columbia.edu, bbickerman-AT- banmail.ml.com, fandango-AT- sprintmail.com, bradtke-AT- PANIX.COM, brooksm-AT- cs.nyu.edu, ARNB-AT- myself.com, ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu, gts4-AT- metgate.metro.org, martha , rerenburg-AT- phsmail.com, martin.fager-AT- bowne.com, SFORDNYC-AT- aol.com, BHFrancis-AT- aol.com, judy_gordon-AT- mcgraw-hill.com, Sharon Green , JBGrun-AT- aol.com, irvkass-AT- juno.com (Irving L. Kass), dpk-AT- ms.com, Alvin Konigsberg , Will Linden , MartinezPC-AT- aol.com, 73302.715-AT- compuserve.com, jhmittel-AT- ix.netcom.com, MMODICA-AT- obgyn.amc.edu, "Arthur A. Munisteri" , 71332.2116-AT- compuserve.com, "Susan R. Murrow" <75272.730-AT- compuserve.com>, mjoconor-AT- erols.com, cries-AT- sitv.timeinc.com (Celeste Ries), PRoss-AT- zd.com, rbnrussell-AT- aol.com, mls-AT- panix.com (Michael L. Siemon), catdancer-AT- juno.com, walkowit-AT- is2.nyu.edu, LIBWaltz-AT- aol.com, ElissaAnn-AT- aol.com, "LEONARD J. WILSON" <102445.2516-AT- compuserve.com> Message-ID: <707A9A93BBD-AT- obgyn.amc.edu> Hello All! I hope that you are enjoying this summer. I certainly have, especially since I have been able to keep in touch with many of you. I have stayed mostly in the country, but am trying to keep up with my NYC obligations, which prompts this message. ;) I am working on the next issue of _Stepnotes_, and I would appreciate any little tidbits of information you have to give. I *even* would accept bigger bits of information, too. So if you have an announcement, topic idea, piece of information, article, etc., please forward to me. You may submit information in any form comfortable to you. I would love to have it electronically via email, but I can also take it on disk, faxed, from the telephone or even snail mail. If you mail, please use my upstate address: 184 Orchard Road, Hudson, NY 12534. If you wish to discuss it first, feel free to call me in the country; my home # is (518) 828-6181; work number is below. TIA, Margherita Davis ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 12:39:17 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 15:42:25 +0000 (GMT) From: Margherita Modica Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: My Apologies! To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <708067D3AE8-AT- obgyn.amc.edu> List Mates, Please accept my apologies for inadvertantly sending a message to the list which was intended for CD*NY members. I don't know what I did wrong in creating a distribution list, but I will find out before I use that one again! Margherita Davis ************************************************************************ Margherita M. Modica mmodica-AT- obgyn.amc.edu Obstetrics & Gynecology (518) 262-6405 Albany Medical College (518) 262-5292, fax ************************************************************************ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 13:18:46 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 16:18:25 -0400 From: Barbara Ruth Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Speaking of recordings . . To: ECD discussion list Message-ID: Subject: Time: 3:20 PM OFFICE MEMO Speaking of recordings . . . Date: 7/16/97 . . . no one so far has mentioned one of _my_ favorites, a tape by Bob Pasquarello called "If Love's a Sweet Passion." Bob P., for those who don't know of him (I have the notion that he may be better known among contra and contra-English crossover folks, than among exclusively English types but this may be a misperception), is probably best-known as a highly prolific composer and performer of beautiful waltzes which he often plays as late-night piano solos at the end of festivals and balls. The aforementioned tape however is his piano renditions of some of the loveliest of English Country Dance tunes, both modern and historical. I don't have the critical credentials that many on this list do, and I certainly can't speak to issues of historical authenticity, but simply as a humble listener I find the music on this tape gorgeous. There is a version of "Come Let's Be Merry" that one could drift away forever in (fortunately it ends, so I don't think anybody has been lost yet). His "Miss DeJersey's Memorial" makes the back of my neck tingle - the good way. It also includes "Volpony", "Never Love Thee More", "The Bishop" and a bunch more. The one problem with it is that it's very hard to get hold of. Apparently it did not do well financially, and the last time I talked to Bob about it, he had only a handful of tapes left and was planning on letting the recording go out of print (or whatever the audio equivalent is), an action which strikes me as at least a misdemeaner against humanity. My suggestion that he repackage and market it as New Age music did not go over exceptionally well. Anyway, I think it's a fabulous recording, and urge anyone who can get their hands on it to do so. Maybe there is enough of a greater market for English Country Dance music recordings now than in 1992, when this came out, that demand could convince Bob to reissue it, even maybe as a CD. One warning though, the music on this tape is so rich, I swear you can gain weight just listening to it. Barbara Ruth New Haven, CT ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 13:19:08 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 16:21:12 -0400 From: Barbara Ruth Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Double Dutch To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: Reply to: RE>>Double Dutch Oh dear. I had no idea that simply requesting a dance would raise a rumpus. I would dearly love to dance "Dutch Crossing" again, and it seems to me that Pinewoods English Week is the only likely opportunity - the one and only time I did it previously was three years ago! And with all due respect for Eric Arnold's leadership ability, even with him organizing it I just don't think it's likely to happen, or else to happen very well, outside of a structured class environment. I also think that it is Philippe's perogative as teacher to decide what dances are suitable and appropriate for a given class. However, I don't want to impose my desires on others against their wishes. If other people also feel that this would be a waste of valuable time I will withdraw my request. Maybe in that case we could somehow rustle up some extracurricular period if there are eighteen able-bodied dancers who are interested in doing it, although- sorry Eric - I would still prefer to have Philippe teach it. Barbara Ruth New Haven, CT ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 14:35:28 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 17:38:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Arnold Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Double Dutch To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 17 Jul 1997, Barbara Ruth wrote: > Reply to: RE>>Double Dutch > > Oh dear. I had no idea that simply requesting a dance would raise a rumpus. I Sorry, Barbara, for having raised the rumpus. Perhaps a useful compromise can be worked out -- for example, the instructions, perhaps in somewhat abbreviated "ball" format, might be circulated in advance of camp among folks who were interested in doing it, and they could commit as much of that information to memory as they are able. Then, however the opportunity arises to do the dance, this should reduce the teaching time significantly, and contribute to a more successful and enjoyable event; if it happens in a class, it takes less valuable class time, and if it happens outside of class, it makes the job easier for whomever is teaching it. And I have no problem either, Barbara, with your preferring to have Phillipe do that -- that would be my preference, too, but not in class, and I don't feel that I'm entitled to ask him to do it outside of class. A drawback to doing it within a class is that there may be folks in other classes who would like to participate in this extraordinary dance. [snip] > Maybe in that case we could somehow rustle up some extracurricular period if > there are eighteen able-bodied dancers who are interested in doing it, Actually, 16 are sufficient if there are no casualties (:^) Eric Arnold Ann Arbor ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 15:25:59 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 18:29:35 +0000 (GMT) From: Margherita Modica Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Double Dutch To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <70ACF9666C1-AT- obgyn.amc.edu> On 17 Jul 97 at 17:38, Eric Arnold wrote: > Actually, 16 are sufficient if there are no casualties (:^) Besides our teddy bears, should we be bringing our crutches to English Week, just in case? Margherita ************************************************************************ Margherita M. Modica mmodica-AT- obgyn.amc.edu Obstetrics & Gynecology (518) 262-6405 Albany Medical College (518) 262-5292, fax ************************************************************************ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 15:58:08 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Return-Path: bolker-AT- phoenix.Princeton.EDU Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 19:00:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Susie Lorand Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: lodging needed for Amherst (Mass.) Early Music Festival (August 3-9) To: ECD discussion list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII this is slightly off-topic for the ECD list (though i think there's usually dancing at the amherst early music festival), but i hope you'll pardon the digression. i'm looking for a cheap or free place to stay while attending the amherst early music festival this summer (august 3-9)--preferably with some use of a kitchen. do any of you amherst-area dancers need a housesitter? or know of someone who does? please respond off-list. thanks in advance, susie lorand english dancer, fiddler, and recorder player in new jersey c/o bolker-AT- phoenix.princeton.edu ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 16:53:36 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 18:25:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Margaret Whaley <101454.633-AT- CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Visitors from America To: ECD Message-ID: <970717222547_101454.633_IHP103-1-AT- CompuServe.COM> Sheila Bearslee Bosworth and husband Jonathan from "Up State New York" are on holiday in England at present - they came to our Folk Dance club last night - it was lovely to see them -Although, I think they were a little bemused with it all! - We just couldn't get anything right!!!!!!! - Golden Brown, - The Cream Pot - Thomas Tallis's Canon (we abandoned that in favour of tea!), - But the room was in fits of laughter!!!! - There was a great cheer went up (and cries of "more!!") when we succeeded with Helene's Night Out! - A real good evening!!!! Margaret Whaley Oxfordshire ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 17:28:36 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 20:32:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Will Linden Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Chip -- Lincoln Center To: ECD discussion list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Slightly off topic.... the official schedule for Lincoln Center Out of Doors has appeared, and it still lists Chip Hendrickson as the maestro for the Aug. 16th dance. How does this square with the report of his condition in CDS News? Or have they simply not bothered to update their own publicity? Will Linden wlinden-AT- panix.com http://www.panix.com/~wlinden/ Magic Code: MAS/GD S++ W++ N+ PWM++ Ds/r+ A-> a++ C+ G- QO++ 666 Y ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 18:55:23 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 18:58:19 -0700 (PDT) From: rushton-AT- biology.utah.edu (Emma Rushton) Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: starting a new ECD club To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I would be interested in hearing from people who have started English Country Dance clubs. It would be great to hear their advice, their experiences, whether it was a success etc. We have recently started a new ECD series in Salt Lake City. It happens once a month, has been going since March, and has been quite successful so far. We have been very lucky to find musicians who like playing English dance tunes and love playing for dancing. We get around 20 - 30 dancers each time. The regulars are mostly contra and Scottish dancers, very loyal about coming, and good at picking up the dances. We get some beginners each time - enough to make teaching even moderately hard dances impossible. This is partly because there is sometimes a high proportion of beginners, and partly because only 3 or 4 people are familiar with any of the dances - and one of us is always calling, not dancing. This isn't enough to hold a set together that's falling apart. I want everyone in the hall to feel that they are welcome to tackle every dance, but we are running out of easy dances. I also very much _don't_ want to bore the regulars. I want to try some more challenging dances, but I don't want to discourage newcomers either. We have tried alternating Playford style dances with barn dances such as Cumberland Square Eight and Patacake Polka, so that everyone can succeed with something, and this works quite well except that we are still very limited in the Playford style dances we can do. For example on an evening when mostly regulars were present, Lillibulero and Sun Assembly - two of the more challenging dances we have tried - went very well. The next month, based on that success, I tried calling Lillibulero again only to have the set fall apart. I need dances that are easy to teach newcomers that will keep regulars interested, and that the band can play and like! The band has to get together to practise the tunes for any new dances for our repertoire, and though they like the tunes, the more English-y the style the harder it is for them (they usually play for contra dances). What I'm really asking of course is "how do you please everyone in the hall including the band?" Feedback please! And tell me what you did when you were trying to teach ECD to people who are good contra dancers. How did you communicate the style and grace of English dance? It is very difficult when so few people _know_ the style - everyone is learning simultaneously, the dancers and the musicians. Emma Emma Rushton, time flies like an arrow Department of Biology, fruit flies like a banana University of Utah, Salt Lake City, UT 84112 (801) 585-9425 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 21:45:10 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 14:47:39 +1000 From: Martin Hungerford Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Data Base To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199707180452.OAA29847-AT- darth.netcon.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Y'all might like to know that a dozen of us over on the "ballad-l" >listserv have been doing a project for the last couple of years to >compile a cross-index of as many collections of traditional folk ballads >(printed books, not recordings -- yet) as we can. This project only >indexes; we don't print the actual material, only references and >cross-references, along with several fields of information such as >"Earliest Date", "Author (if known)", "Alternate titles", >"Cross-references" (ballads with similar themes, floating verses, etc.), >and a short plot summary of each item. The project has gotten quite >large, and with only about half a dozen people doing active indexing, >it's already several megabytes in TXT format. These things have a way of >growing. I'm astonished at the amount a few people can accomplish -- and >with no money changing hands at any point: we're all doing this for free. > >Peace. >Paul "ballad-l" list? definately want more info please? Martin Jongleur Fryerstown ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 22:52:28 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 22:55:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Richardson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Data Base To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm glad to read that there is interest in an online dance database of English country dances. For about 8 months now, Russell Owen and I have set up and maintained a database of contradances, square dances, circle mixers, and triplets. It runs on a Mac-based webserver with the dance data kept on a FilePro database. Russell wrote a rather nice CGI program that connects Web requests to FilePro, making the database searchable by many useful parameters. We're currently up to about 175 dances, and continue to add more as time permits. We call this dance server "American Country Dances Online", and you are welcome to check it out at: http://www.scar.rad.washington.edu/dances/ We have also grappled with some of the issues discussed in this thread, namely which dances to post and which ones to omit. We wanted to respect dance authors' wishes in this matter, so we decided upon the following simple policy on posting dances to our server -- we either post traditional dances or modern dances where the authors have given us permission to do so. How has this worked so far? Well, in our opinion. Many authors have given us blanket permission to post all of their dances, and most of the other authors we have contacted have given us permission to post at least some of their dances. There are a lot of advantages to serving dances via a database -- one of the biggest ones is that our data is independent of the layout of our reports. Currently we publish these dances in one standard format, but could easily define a new layout which would let us print out each dance just the right size for a 3 x 5 card. Cheers, Mike Richardson Seattle, WA ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 00:25:53 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 00:13:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul J. Stamler" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Data Base To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU CC: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 18 Jul 1997, Martin Hungerford wrote: > "ballad-l" list? definately want more info please? I'm replying to the list in case any of the others are interested. Ballad-l is a listserv of folks who are interested in traditional folk ballads. (Mainly, but not exclusively, English-language.) We come from many perspectives: academics, performers, listeners, hangers-on and such. Discussions have ranged from tracing particular ballads through various versions to arguments over when a ballad becomes two ballads and discussions of the social history and settings of ballad singing in traditional culture. Most of us on the list are looking at ballads as a branch of traditional music and folklore, rather than as a branch of literature where the music is ignored. The ballad indexing project began when one of the subscribers, one Bob Waltz, asked innocently, "Is there a cross-index of all the printed ballad sources?" There wasn't, and quickly someone said, "Hey, I know--let's put on a show of our own." So we did, and the ballad index is now a reality (still growing and changing rapidly). Bob Waltz, having asked the question, got drafted as Editor. The address of the list for subscribing is: majordomo-AT- majordomo.ucs.indiana.edu And as I recall, the body of the message you send should read: subscribe ballad-l When you do that, you should receive a message containing a welcome and listing of all the appropriate commands. Don't be dumb and delete it, like I did. If this doesn't work, write to Bob Waltz. His address is: waltzmn-AT- skypoint.com Peace. Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 08:24:10 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 10:27:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Jonathan Sivier Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: starting a new ECD club To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199707181527.KAA06529-AT- ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Emma, et al., Our local ECD group here in Champaign-Urbana (Central Illinois ECD) went through a very similar process in getting started a couple of years ago. We had been meeting periodically (but not on a regualr schedule) at some local dancers' home and had around a dozen folks involved with the music being very much a pickup band. Two years ago it became impractical to continue in this way and we had to find a new place to dance. We decided on the local park district facility and this change forced us to become organized (with regular monthly dances). One of the musicians was brave enough to take charge of the band, holding regular rehearsal and recruiting new members and a couple of us took charge of teaching the dances and deciding on the program. This was in the fall of 1995, so we set as our goal to teach enough dances to a large enough core of dancers to enable us to have a Christmas Ball that December. Our monthly dances varied in attendance from 12 to 32 and in the 4 monthly dances and the ball we only did like 14 different dances, not doing all of them each time, but repeating them all several times during the fall. We did all the dances we knew at the ball in December and it worked out very well with 32 dancers and 7 musicians in the band. We've since increased our repetoire and the attendance at monthly dances has become more stable with 20 dancers or more nearly every month. We've been holding balls twice a year, a Christmas Ball in December and a Playford Ball in June. Our ball last month had 40 dancers and 10 musicians in the band. I think having a goal, like a ball, to shoot for helps you to focus on learning and teaching the dances. We are lucky enough to have several people with many years of experience to teach and serve as examples as to style. I think that one thing that has helped us in building the skills of the new dancers is to not try to do a toally new set of dances each month, but rather to do dances that the group has done before as well as a few new ones. Obviously it takes a while to buildup a repetoire that the band can play and the dancers are familiar with so you can do this without being too repetitious. Also choosing a set of dances that teach figures that you can build on during the course of the evening works well. I've had good luck teaching Black Nag, Grimstock and The Corporation, with the types of heys becoming more complex, but building skills as you go. Here are some easy dances that we've had good luck with: Black Nag, Rufty Tufty, Galopede, Cumberland Reel, Christchurch Bells, Selenger's Round, Geud Man of Ballangigh, Juice of Barley, Circassian Circle, Portland Fancy Here are some others that aren't too difficult that we enjoy: Heartsease, Drapers Gardens, Dublin Bay, Hunsdon House, Hey Boys Up Go We, Newcastle, Picking Up Sticks, Scotch Cap, Jovial Beggars, Female Saylor, Jenny Pluck Pears, Grimstock, Mad Robin I hope this is helpful. Jonathan ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Jonathan Sivier |Q: How many angels can dance on the | | j-sivier-AT- uiuc.edu | head of a pin? | | Flight Simulation Lab |A: It depends on what dance you call. | | Beckman Institute | | | 405 N. Mathews | SWMDG - Single White Male | | Urbana, IL 61801 | Dance Gypsy | | Work: 217/244-1923 | | | Home: 217/359-8225 | Have shoes, will dance. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Home page URL: http://www.staff.uiuc.edu/~j-sivier | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 09:05:37 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 18:12:17 +0000 From: Antony Heywood Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Dutch Crossing To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199707181608.SAA10682-AT- IAEhv.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT The dance Dutch Crossing was published on the CD of the same name along with other dances by Dutch and Flemish authors played by Wild Thyme. The CD comes with a free book of dance instructions and should be obtainable from the CDSS. Cotswold music publishes a book with the music used on the CD. The CD has the Colin Hume tune but I prefer to use the Merry Lads of Ayr which fits the dance so perfectly. Antony Heywood ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 09:24:26 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 12:15:28 -0500 From: Mary K Friday Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re[2]: Data Base To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <9707188692.AA869243017-AT- smtp-gw5.census.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the immense work Neal Kelley has been doing. I saw a printed version of it more than a year ago in the CDSS office, and it was 5-6 inches thick, obviously making publication difficult. I don't know many details, but have the impression it is essentially an update and extension of Peter Rogers' index. Brad Foster (among others) must know more. This should be thrown into the mix of available resources. Mary Kay Friday Washington, D.C. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 14:04:57 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 17:07:17 -0400 From: Barbara Ruth Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Chip -- Lincoln Center To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: Reply to: RE>Chip -- Lincoln Center No, Chip is planning to be there. It is the goal toward which he is now working. Still off-topic, but speaking of Chip, he and Fran have been really hard hit financially by this. There is going to be a benefit dance (contra) held for them, Saturday August 2 somewhere in the Danbury, CT area. Pat Rust is calling and I believe the Fiddleheads are playing. There has also been a fund set up for contributions for them, if anyone would like to make one without going to the Benefit. I can get details if anyone would like them. Sorry if this is redundant information. I didn't see the notice in CDSS News myself. Barbara Ruth New Haven, CT -------------------------------------- Date: 7/17/97 8:37 PM To: Barbara Ruth From: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.Stanford.EDU Slightly off topic.... the official schedule for Lincoln Center Out of Doors has appeared, and it still lists Chip Hendrickson as the maestro for the Aug. 16th dance. How does this square with the report of his condition in CDS News? Or have they simply not bothered to update their own publicity? Will Linden wlinden-AT- panix.com http://www.panix.com/~wlinden/ Magic Code: MAS/GD S++ W++ N+ PWM++ Ds/r+ A-> a++ C+ G- QO++ 666 Y ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by QuickMail.Yale.edu with SMTP;17 Jul 1997 20:35:48 -0400 Received: from ssrl04.slac.stanford.edu (SSRL04.SLAC.Stanford.EDU [134.79.33.14]) by mail-relay2.its.yale.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA15254 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 20:34:32 -0400 (EDT) X-ListName: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Warnings-To: <> Errors-To: owner-ecd-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.Stanford.EDU Sender: owner-ecd-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.Stanford.EDU Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 20:32:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Will Linden Reply-To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.Stanford.EDU Subject: Chip -- Lincoln Center To: ECD discussion list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 00:07:40 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 03:10:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Dawn Culbertson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Easy dances for new group To: rushton-AT- biology.utah.edu CC: EngDance list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You might also want to try the following fairly easy dances, which I've taught and which seem to go over well: Auretti's Dutch Skipper, Cockle Shells, Fourpence Ha'penny Farthing (The Jockey), Rakes of Rochester, Take a Dance (My apologies if I've duplicated any that have already been suggested - I don't have the other messages in front of me and my brain is acting slightly fuzzy these days.) Dawn Culbertson dcculb-AT- peabody.jhu.edu ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 15:06:59 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 08:10:20 +1000 From: Martin Hungerford Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Ballad-l To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199707202215.IAA19854-AT- darth.netcon.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Paul, thanks for the info on the list. And thank you to the others here for the use of bandwidth. Martin Hungerford jongleur-AT- netcon.net.au ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 19:46:50 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 22:49:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Colin Hume <100116.165-AT- CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: NY Times To: ECD Mailing List Message-ID: <970721024911_100116.165_EHU24-3-AT- CompuServe.COM> On Wed, 16 Jul 1997 Martin.Fager-AT- bowne.com (Martin Fager) wrote: > I danced the "NY Times" in NYC at its premier, and also at Boston Center's > July 4th Weekend at Pinewoods. At Pinewoods, the dance was done at a > livelier tempo than Colin prefers. It is a fine dance, but I must say the > livelier tempo vastly improves it. I am (from experience, having danced to > Colin's teaching many times) firmly in the camp that finds his preferred > tempos to often be too slow. I know other Americans have said the same thing, and I do find it a problem. In my limited experience, ECD in America is generally danced faster than in England, and therefore (it seems to me) people have more difficulty with slower dances, are not used to them, and don't like them. Of course, there's no "right" or "wrong" tempo for a dance - it depends on many factors. But I think dancing a slow dance and fitting it to the music can be absolutely wonderful. What do other people who have danced in both England and America think? Colin Hume (now back in the States for three months) ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 21:28:17 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 00:29:39 +0000 From: Rich Galloway Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Data Base To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199707210428.AAA26940-AT- ns.kreative.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT From Paul Stamler: > While we're properly concerned with protecting copyrighted dance > instructions, of course we should keep in mind that a large > percentage of the material we'd be posting is public domain, so > questions of releases, royalties, etc. wouldn't come up. I'd like to > see the completely PD material freely accessible, with the > pay-per-view section for copyrighted material only. > > One question of definition: if a dance is "Playford, as interpreted > by Fried de Metz Herman", should we treat it the same as a new dance > as far as payment and royalties are concerned? My inclination is to > say yes, but that should be hashed out before the project starts. As I understand it, dances are ideas and are not copyrightable. Of course, the words used to describe a dance may be copyrighted. It is a violation to copy or paraphrase an author's description, but not to independently describe a dance. Legalities (and split infinitives) aside, common courtesy demands asking permission before posting, at least for the modern creations. Feel free to disagree with the above. I've asked this question several times because people have asked me to sell copies of the computer files for may dance calling cards. Every time I've asked someone, I've gotten either a "don't know" or something pretty much along the lines of the above. BTW, I'd be happy to help with the database and can supply historical data (e.g., dates and sources of original publication) from my files. However, any involvement will have to wait until daylily season winds down. ==================================================== Rich Galloway Silver Spring, MD ==================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 01:01:36 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 04:04:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Dawn Culbertson Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Copyrighting dances To: EngDance list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Since they're considered works of art, dances CAN be copyrighted. In fact, Martha Graham copyrighted her whole technique! Dawn Culbertson dcculb-AT- peabody.jhu.edu ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 06:21:46 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 08:23:24 -0500 (CDT) From: FORBES-AT- GEORGE.BAKERU.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Data Base To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <970721082324.44a3-AT- GEORGE.BAKERU.EDU> There is a sticky question about a data-base-for-all that hasn't appeared yet. While the dances and their tunes may be public domain, somebody's analysis, the result of a considerable amount of work, may not be public domain. My case as an example: I have spent many hours gathering photocopies of all available Dancing Master editions (Not to mention the high cost of anything from Great Britain). Countless hours scanning every dance in every collection because of the differences ("anomolies" is the $10 word). Then there's the task setting up database parameters and keystroking all this in to it. I ask you not to forget proofreading and correcting too. For me, there is little emotion left in this project I finished some 3-4 years ago, but others may have very strong emotions about letting others into "their" closed body of information. This, I suggest, is a copyrighted database, from the moment of keystroking data into it. There lies the difficulty? Forbes/Baker University ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 09:51:57 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 12:35:29 -0500 From: rherman-AT- igc.org (L. Russell Herman, Jr.) Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Regional variations in tempo (was: Re: NY Times) To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >On Wed, 16 Jul 1997 Martin.Fager-AT- bowne.com (Martin Fager) wrote: > >> I danced the "NY Times" in NYC at its premier, and also at Boston Center's >> July 4th Weekend at Pinewoods. At Pinewoods, the dance was done at a >> livelier tempo than Colin prefers. It is a fine dance, but I must say the >> livelier tempo vastly improves it. I am (from experience, having danced to >> Colin's teaching many times) firmly in the camp that finds his preferred >> tempos to often be too slow. > >I know other Americans have said the same thing, and I do find it a problem. >In my limited experience, ECD in America is generally danced faster than in >England, and therefore (it seems to me) people have more difficulty with slower >dances, are not used to them, and don't like them. Of course, there's no >"right" or "wrong" tempo for a dance - it depends on many factors. But I >think dancing a slow dance and fitting it to the music can be absolutely >wonderful. What do other people who have danced in both England and America >think? > >Colin Hume (now back in the States for three months) In my limited experience, ECD in the United States is generally danced faster or slower depending on where you are in the country, who's calling, and which dance you're dancing. For instance, when I was at Pinewoods a few weeks ago, we danced several dances at faster tempi than my home group (Sun Assembly in Durham, North Carolina) generally does them (and maybe one or two a touch slower). Easter Thursday, for example, felt rushed to me. But I've only danced six places in the U.S., all on the east coast. I assume Colin Hume's experience is more varied. --------------------------------------------------------------------- L. Russell Herman, Jr. Raleigh, North Carolina, USA --------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 11:04:46 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 11:04:37 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: Making the most of Colin To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01ILHUQY773GAIDEIX-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Folks -- Margaret Whaley mentioned, in connection with Colin Hume's "Mr. Handel's Minuet" . . . >When Colin returns to your side of the Atlantic - get him to do it - it's >almost as good as Winter Memories!! . . . which I'll use as an excuse to ask a question about Winter Memories, which Scott Higgs called in his "Modern Trends in English Country Dance" class at Mendocino Woodlances (California) English Week (from which week I have not yet recovered; that's probably why I'm reading the 83 accumulated ECD list messages before the 650 work-related ones that piled up while I'm gone). It was, I think, Thursday afternoon when Scott called this delightful dance, and I was already running on only about three mental cylinders, but does it seem to anyone else that the tune has a discernible echo of the (very different) Levi Jackson Rag? I used up enough of my scarce brain cells on this question that I messed up at least one round of the dance; my partner thought that there was no more than a coincidental resemblance. [It is possible that my brain is just wired peculiarly to hear things that aren't there. I really do hear the "you're such a lovely audience, we'd like to take you home with us" bit of 'Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band' in the B part of 'Long Live London.'] It was a lovely week, by the way. I had a minor role in the organization, so I think I might have a conflict of interest in doing a full, ecstatic, report, but I encourage other list members who were there to give their impressions. -- Alan =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 415/926-3056 Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA 94309-0210 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 11:29:16 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 11:29:06 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: Speaking of recordings . . To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01ILHVUSHA44AIDEIX-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Barbara said -- > . . no one so far has mentioned one of _my_ favorites, a tape by Bob >Pasquarello called "If Love's a Sweet Passion." Bob P., for those who don't >know of him (I have the notion that he may be better known among contra and >contra-English crossover folks, than among exclusively English types but this >may be a misperception), is probably best-known as a highly prolific composer >and performer of beautiful waltzes which he often plays as late-night piano >solos at the end of festivals and balls. There was a copy of this tape at the CDSS/BACDS bookstore at Mendocino a few years back, and I picked it up more or less speculatively. There are always some of Bob's tunebooks there (usually the afterwaltzes), which was the only way I knew of him. >The aforementioned tape however is his >piano renditions of some of the loveliest of English Country Dance tunes, both >modern and historical. I don't have the critical credentials that many on this >list do, and I certainly can't speak to issues of historical authenticity, but >simply as a humble listener I find the music on this tape gorgeous. I fully agree. It's a gorgeous tape, and I'd love to have it on CD. Bob isn't aiming for historical authenticity, and he doesn't achieve it, but his aim (according to the liner notes, anyway) is to provide danceable, listenable ECD music on solo piano, and he really accomplishes this. He plays the tunes with a tremendous amount of variation, so each repetition is very different, but all recognizable and none egregiously whimsical. I think -- I haven't heard the tape in a few months, since it went into a box when I moved and the box hasn't come to light yet -- his sound can be characterized as pure -- even gooey stuff comes out clean, but with feeling -- but not simple. > One warning though, the music on this tape is so rich, I swear you can gain >weight just listening to it. Ah. I listened to that tape over and over on the way back from camp that year. That explains why I weighed more after a week of hard dancing than I had when I left. (It couldn't have had anything to do with Jeff O'Connor's delicious food.) -- Alan PS: An old English tradition, which might be worth reviving, is to publish by subscription. (I *think* some dance books were published this way; definitely poetry was.) People who think a book (or record, in this case) should exist buy their copies before publication, so that the author/publisher don't have to assume the financial risk. If Bob would go for it, perhaps thirty people could send him $15 each, assuming he's still got his masters. I'm assuming, perhaps incorrectly, that it shouldn't take much studio or lab time to get this onto CD. I suspect -- based on my almost complete ignorance of the situation -- that he's discouraged by the response to the tape, and unlikely to put more time and energy into it unless some outside person spearheads the project, so a reliable volunteer is obviously called for. -- APW =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 415/926-3056 Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA 94309-0210 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 12:16:59 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Return-Path: Nan.E.EVANS-AT- state.or.us Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 12:02:29 -0700 From: EVANS Nan E Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: Dutch Crossing To: "ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU" (IPM Return requested), Philippe Callens (IPM Return requested) Message-ID: <"063A733D3B245008*/c=us/admd= /prmd=or.gov/o=PRD/ou=MSMail/s=EVANS/g=Nan/i=E/"-AT- MHS> Dutch Crossing has been done a few times here in the upper left hand corner of the US (otherwise know as the Pacific Northwest). Most recently, I hosted a "Dutch Crossing" party at the common house in the cohousing community where I live. We invited "the usual suspects" and had 17 dancers who had a lovely brunch together followed by dancing with Dutch Crossing as the highlight dance. Building up to Dutch Crossing we did several dances with heys and crossings - and Don Lennartson from Olympia, Washington, introduced his 4 couple sguare called Gordion Knot with a great hey for 8! Nan Evans Portland, Oregon Phillipe - by all means if it fits your program for English week, do it! I will be there! ---------- From: Philippe Callens To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Subject: Dutch Crossing Date: Wednesday, July 16, 1997 4:26AM Barbara Ruth asked whether I could teach Dutch Crossing at Pinewoods next month. I can of course do so. Is this dance familiar to English country dancers in America? I know Tony Parkes uses it (he picked it up in Belgium in 1989) and apparently also Kathy Anderson. Also Rusty Wright, a western square dance caller from Santa Fe, NM, calls it! You may like to know that this dance was written by the Dutch caller Ernst van Brakel. He wrote it to the tune of the "Merry Lads of Ayr", a Scottish reel. In my opinion, that is the tune for the dance. If you have ever danced it to that tune, you may (or not) agree that they belong together. For your information, Colin Hume wrote a 'new' tune for it which can be found in "Dances with a difference, vol. 3". Philippe Callens ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 12:34:17 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Return-Path: bolker-AT- phoenix.Princeton.EDU Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 15:36:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Susie Lorand Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Speaking of recordings . . To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII fans of bob pasquarello's recording "if love's a sweet passion" might be interested to know that he has a new CD coming out any day now. the first copy was auctioned off at E&A week at buffalo gap a couple of weeks ago. does anyone else who was there remember the title? btw, i do find the music itself on the aforementioned tape very danceable; the only problem i've had with dancing to it (e.g. for ball practice) is the lack of intros, and the small number of repetitions of each piece. i suspect that bob intended it more for listening. susie lorand ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 12:41:06 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 12:29:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul J. Stamler" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Bill of Rights To: English Dance Maillist Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi folks: Re. the discussion of "Bill of Rights", I forward this suggestion from Barbara Orton, of Williamsburg, VA: P.S. I haven't found the book with "Bill of Rights" in it. But one possibility has sprung to mind. Could they possibly have meant a double figure eight rather than two figures of eight? A double figure eight takes the same amount of time as a regular figure of eight, except that the twos participate as well. Basically, it's a kind of hey. Peace. Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 12:43:53 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Return-Path: bolker-AT- phoenix.Princeton.EDU Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 15:45:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Susie Lorand Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Speaking of recordings . ./publishing by subscription To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 21 Jul 1997, Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote: [snip] > PS: An old English tradition, which might be worth reviving, is to > publish by subscription. (I *think* some dance books were published > this way; definitely poetry was.) People who think a book (or record, > in this case) should exist buy their copies before publication, so that > the author/publisher don't have to assume the financial risk. [snip] this is how hold the mustard financed their cd of english country dance tunes (which i highly recommend, by the way; and i don't think i'm biased just because they're dear friends). - susie lorand princeton, nj ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 12:56:03 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 12:46:43 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul J. Stamler" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Speaking of recordings . . To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU CC: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 21 Jul 1997, Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote: > PS: An old English tradition, which might be worth reviving, is to publish by > subscription. (I *think* some dance books were published this way; definitely > poetry was.) People who think a book (or record, in this case) should exist > buy their copies before publication, so that the author/publisher don't have to > assume the financial risk. If Bob would go for it, perhaps thirty people could > send him $15 each, assuming he's still got his masters. I'm assuming, perhaps > incorrectly, that it shouldn't take much studio or lab time to get this onto > CD. A good idea, but it'll take more subscribers than 30. Typical minimum orders for CD pressing companies run just under $1000, which will get you 300 (or in one case, 500) discs, with a minimal booklet. I know of one place that will do 300 discs for $875, but that's rock bottom. These minimum charges reflect the need to prepare a "1630" or "MO" master from the original DAT master, with timing information, and the need to cut a glass master, from which the CDs are then made (with a few intermediate steps). Prep costs for the master tape are additional; basically, the CD duping place needs a DAT tape, properly formatted. Depending on the format of Bob's master, expect that to cost another $75-200. Peace. Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 14:17:04 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 16:19:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Jonathan Sivier Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Bill of Rights To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU, ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199707212119.QAA23638-AT- ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Paul and everyone, It's possible that the original dance had a double figure 8 in it. However the book I have (George Washington's Birthday Balls) describes it as a chase figure with the 1st woman doing a figure 8 around the 2's with her partner following and then the 1st man doing the same with his partner following. One suggestion has been to do a skip-change step during that part. I haven't had a chance to try this with real people to see if this gives sufficient speed increase to make it possible to get through this section with the time allotted. Jonathan ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 15:31:42 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 18:28:19 -0500 From: Mary K Friday Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: starting a new ECD club To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <9707218695.AA869524250-AT- smtp-gw5.census.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You have hit on several of the classic problems of running a dance series, issues of being a "new" club aside. I think you can count an attendance of 20-30 a success (our established dances in Washington and Baltimore regularly draw only 20-40). The issue of what I call "critical mass" -- enough experienced dancers to integrate newcomers readily -- is a continuing problem. Contra and Scottish dancers already know a lot of important basics and will be able to help keep sets from falling apart very quickly. You do want to provide interest for your more experienced dancers. For this reason, less common easy dances are worth their weight in gold. But the experienced dancers can also be prevailed upon to take the long view -- developing the dance series is in their long-term best interest. When you get people dancing quickly and keep them moving for most of the evening, you earn a period of grace for spending more time on one or two more challenging dances -- one way to provide something for everyone! Good luck! Mary Kay Friday Washington, D.C. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: starting a new ECD club Author: at SMTP-GATEWAY Date: 7/17/97 6:58 PM I would be interested in hearing from people who have started English Country Dance clubs. ... We have recently started a new ECD series in Salt Lake City. It happens once a month.... We get around 20 - 30 dancers each time. The regulars are mostly contra and Scottish dancers, very loyal about coming, and good at picking up the dances. We get some beginners each time - enough to make teaching even moderately hard dances impossible. ..., but we are running out of easy dances. I also very much _don't_ want to bore the regulars.... Emma Emma Rushton, time flies like an arrow Department of Biology, fruit flies like a banana University of Utah, Salt Lake City, UT 84112 (801) 585-9425 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 03:38:47 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 06:41:06 -0500 (EST) From: SHARON MCKINLEY Subject: RE: SPEAKING OF RECORDINGS . . To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: X-ListName: Discussion of modern and historical English Country Dance Warnings-To: <> Errors-To: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Return-Path: bolker-AT- phoenix.Princeton.EDU Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 15:36:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Susie Lorand Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Speaking of recordings . . To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII fans of bob pasquarello's recording "if love's a sweet passion" might be interested to know that he has a new CD coming out any day now. the first copy was auctioned off at E&A week at buffalo gap a couple of weeks ago. does anyone else who was there remember the title? btw, i do find the music itself on the aforementioned tape very danceable; the only problem i've had with dancing to it (e.g. for ball practice) is the lack of intros, and the small number of repetitions of each piece. i suspect that bob intended it more for listening. susie lorand ------------------------------------------ THIS IS A REPLY TO THE ABOVE MESSAGE SUBJECT OF THE REPLY: RE: SPEAKING OF RECORDIN-REPLY ------------------------------------------ hey, susie, hon, my, were WE lucky with our weather, huh? i'd'a' NEVER survived NW morris in LAST week's heat. i don't suppose you'd be willing to ask bob about that tape next time you see him? sounds good to me, and i've taken to buying my friends' tapes. and i consider him a friend, if only a camp one. or does he have email, and i can get to him directly? take care, say hi to ben for moi, sharon ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 04:09:47 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 07:13:07 -0500 (EST) From: SHARON MCKINLEY Subject: SORRY, GUYS To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN to: the list re: bob's tape: sorry, there, i seem to have selected the wrong message from susie to reply to. but if you have the info, i still want itÿ thanks, sharon ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 07:51:24 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 06:37:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Margaret Whaley <101454.633-AT- CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Dutch Crossing To: ECD Message-ID: <970722103717_101454.633_IHP70-1-AT- CompuServe.COM> We learnt Dutch Crossing at a Day of Dance in Hampshire last year. And learnt it in about 20 minutes! - Is this a record? The caller was John Turner - and he had a chart with him, you know, like a dot-to-dot pattern. - he gave us a 5-minute theory lesson - explaining who and where our "buddy" was - then we walked it through! After that it was fairly easy!! - At least until we danced it for the second time and my "buddy" took her sweat shirt off. It completely threw me having somebody come towards me in a white tee shirt rather than a red sweat shirt!!!!! Margaret Whaley Oxfordshire ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 08:57:22 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 12:02:38 -0400 From: David Woolf Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Speaking of recordings . . To: Susie Lorand , ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199707221602.MAA23729-AT- gabriel.cc.emory.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT On 21 Jul 97, Susie Lorand wrote: > fans of bob pasquarello's recording "if love's a sweet passion" might be > interested to know that he has a new CD coming out any day now. the first > copy was auctioned off at E&A week at buffalo gap a couple of weeks ago. > does anyone else who was there remember the title? I'm the one who bought the CD at the auction, but I don't remember the title. I guess I'll find out when I get it. -D ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ David Woolf Emory Eye Center W - 404/778-4121 Emory University H - 404/355-2827 Atlanta, GA 30322 . . . What's another word for thesauras? ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 09:21:33 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 12:24:15 -0400 (EDT) From: walkowit-AT- is2.nyu.edu (Daniel J. Walkowitz) Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: NY Times To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <0EDQ00NJRAWFYS-AT- is2.nyu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In reply to Colin: > What do other people who have danced in both England and America >think? As you know, Colin, my dancing has been laregly confined to the New York (and the East coast) and London, but some generalizations seem warrented. As others have noted, there is great variety among teachers at every site, but on the whole I would agree with you that Americans prefer up-tempo music. We have always been people in a hurry and there does seem to be a logic to the evolution of English into contra on these shores. I, for one, also take special pleasure in the grace of slower dances, although I think it is often more difficult to get much of a set which can hit the timing and bring the grace to the dance. In that regard, though, the dancing in London I found lacked a certain energy and focus -- of the sort reflected in lack of eye contact (which admittedly Americans can overdo) and balancing in contra which is, not to mince words, vapid. In any case, I do look forward to dancing in London again this fall! Danny Walkowitz ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 12:44:44 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 15:39:34 -0500 From: Mary K Friday Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Regional variations in tempo (was: Re: NY Times) To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <9707228696.AA869600632-AT- smtp-gw5.census.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't consider that I've danced in England a lot, though I've been there on 4 or 5 occasions, once for two weeks, dancing primarily in the Cotswolds. I don't remember noticing particularly that tempi there were slower than here (I noticed the difference in repertoire, and even figures in specific dances). But I agree with Colin that there is no single "right" tempo and with Russell that tempi vary regionally in the U.S. -- and that is as it should be. In the Washington-Baltimore area, I think our tempi tend to be slower than many other places (in the U.S., but faster than tempi I've seen Colin use), and I personally like them that way (especially in triple time dances -- I hate the feeling I'm running with little mincing steps). But most dances can be successful at a range of tempi (some few -- such as "Smithy Hill" -- seem to have a narrower range that works). Mary Kay Friday Washington, D.C. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Regional variations in tempo (was: Re: NY Times) Author: at SMTP-GATEWAY Date: 7/21/97 12:35 PM >On Wed, 16 Jul 1997 Martin.Fager-AT- bowne.com (Martin Fager) wrote: > >> I danced the "NY Times" in NYC at its premier, and also at Boston Center's >> July 4th Weekend at Pinewoods. At Pinewoods, the dance was done at a >> livelier tempo than Colin prefers. It is a fine dance, but I must say the >> livelier tempo vastly improves it. I am (from experience, having danced to >> Colin's teaching many times) firmly in the camp that finds his preferred >> tempos to often be too slow. > >I know other Americans have said the same thing, and I do find it a problem. >In my limited experience, ECD in America is generally danced faster than in >England, and therefore (it seems to me) people have more difficulty with slower >dances, are not used to them, and don't like them. Of course, there's no >"right" or "wrong" tempo for a dance - it depends on many factors. But I >think dancing a slow dance and fitting it to the music can be absolutely >wonderful. What do other people who have danced in both England and America >think? > >Colin Hume (now back in the States for three months) In my limited experience, ECD in the United States is generally danced faster or slower depending on where you are in the country, who's calling, and which dance you're dancing. . . . --------------------------------------------------------------------- L. Russell Herman, Jr. Raleigh, North Carolina, USA --------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 13:31:04 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Return-Path: Nan.E.EVANS-AT- state.or.us Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 13:28:47 -0700 From: EVANS Nan E Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Mendocino English Week To: ecd (IPM Return requested) Message-ID: <"024F133D517FF015*/c=us/admd= /prmd=or.gov/o=PRD/ou=MSMail/s=EVANS/g=Nan/i=E/"-AT- MHS> I just returned from a wonderful week of English Country dancing at the Mendocino Woodlands Camp in California. The Bay Area Country Dance Society deserves kudos for sponsoring the event which was beautifully organized and run by Cynthia Stenger and her able committee. The spectacular musicians for the week were Mary Lea, Liz Donaldson, George Penk, Fred Nussbaum, Jim Oakden, Ruth Ann Frailey, and Alan Dodson. Scott Higgs and Bruce Hamilton led the country dancing, while Laura Robertson, David Macemon and Bob De Luca led ritual dance classes. The fool class led by Bob seemed to encourage participants to look into the inner aspects of their personalities as well as providing great entertainment. And, Tom and Ann Seiss led the camp in heartfelt and rousing song. For me, the most exciting and challenging sessions were led by Bruce - a session entitled "Through the Ceiling" and the leaders' session. Both were truly peak experiences. The "Through the Ceiling" class moved many of us to a new sphere of consciousness about our dancing (yes, I know that sounds almost metaphysical and "new age", but I am unapologetic about the choice of words, because for me it was). Bruce focused dancers progressively on the experience of self, dancing with a partner and a set, dancing with the entire room, and dancing with an awareness of dance communities at home, across the country, the world, and across time. I fell that I have indeed pushed through the "ceiling" in my own dancing - and am becoming a better dance leader and teacher myself. This was the first time that Bruce taught his "Through the Ceiling" class and I sincerely hope it will be the first of many! A hearty thanks to all - staff and campers - who made this a wonderful week! Nan Evans Portland, Oregon ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 14:20:30 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 17:22:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Colin Hume <100116.165-AT- CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: NY Times To: ECD Mailing List Message-ID: <970722212211_100116.165_EHU110-1-AT- CompuServe.COM> I forgot to mention in my last posting that "New York Times" is scheduled to be published in CDSS News some time this year. If you're not a CDSS member - why not?! Colin Hume ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 14:30:43 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 14:30:36 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: Mendocino English Week To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01ILJGRFS26Y8Y4X2M-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Folks -- I heartily second everything Nan said, especially about Bruce's classes. (And in the Leader's Workshop Bruce described this list as 'a hell of a resource', so I was very pleased.) In the interest of completeness, I must mention that while Cynthia Stenger was Camp Manager, the excellent programming job was done by Alisa Dodson; she also taught a workshop session ("Rocking the Rafters") opposite Bruce's "Through the Ceiling". At evening dances, not counting camper's night, country dances were called not only by Scott Higgs and Bruce Hamilton but by Alisa Dodson, Cynthia Stenger, and David Macemon (who taught a rapper sword workshop during the day). -- Alan =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 415/926-3056 Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA 94309-0210 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 08:16:54 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 10:01:19 -0400 (EDT) From: JohnBerni-AT- aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: NY Times To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <970723100117_983669484-AT- emout16.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 7/20/97 10:09:28 PM, Colin Hume wrote: <> Response from John Ramsay in St Louis... I began dancing ECD in 1947 and have seen many changes both here and in England. There seems to be a recent (for the past 25 years?) preference among ECD groupies for the less lively, more patterned dances or "flowing" transitions from one figure to another. There is also a tendency in some groups to detest skipping or stepping. But there are pockets of dancers who don't fit these preferences. It could be the aging of some of the dance regulars over the years, today's dancing of ECD seems less youthful to me. Also, what were called traditional dances and contras were all a part of English country dancing in the early days. Contra dancing in the US has siphoned off some of the youthfulness from ECD; it has also brought in a large, enthusiastic group of youthful dancers who would never have been attracted to Playford alone. The division has one of its roots in EFDSS leadership back in the early 50's between those who wanted genteel sophistication and those who wanted to appeal to free spirited grass roots. I am not making any judgements and those who know me know that I love Playford, prefer to dance in the Cecil Sharp style, yet also believe strongly in exhuberant participation, never placing one ahead of the other or using one to exclude the other. I would never want to supress any interest in dancing which is used as a community building activity which fosters cooperation. Is this legacy what is going on in this discussion of a tempo for New York Times? I appreciate Colin's reminder that a slower tempo can be <>. Not everything needs to be a romp as Ethel Capps used to remind us. Yet, I certainly endorse Colin's recognition that <> The important thing is to keep the dance community vibrant and congenial. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 09:30:42 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 12:33:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Arnold Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: NY Times To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 23 Jul 1997 JohnBerni-AT- aol.com wrote: [snip] > Is this legacy what is going on in this discussion of a tempo for New York > Times? I appreciate Colin's reminder that a slower tempo can be < wonderful>>. Not everything needs to be a romp as Ethel Capps used to remind > us. Yet, I certainly endorse Colin's recognition that > > < factors.>> > > The important thing is to keep the dance community vibrant and congenial. Part of it is simply a discussion of how much say does/ought the composer of a dance and music have in dictating how fast a dance should be done -- an ongoing discussion from at least one dance weekend at which Colin and some representatives of other points of view were present. My feeling is that if the composer says it ought to be slower, if we don't dance it slower, there's a good chance that we're missing something that (s)he intended. Of course there's always the possibility that we'll still miss the whatever-it-is if we dance it slower while wishing it would go faster. To try to capture the elusive tempo-dependent will'o'the wisp, I think it's important to make a real effort to make the dance the most that one can at whatever tempo it is done at, and see if, when it is done at a temple deemed appropriate by the aauthor, if the desirable effect is produced. If it is, then the composer has won a point. If, even with the (*really*) best effort of the dancers, the desirable effect doesn't materialize, then either the composer's point is too ethereal to be conveyed simply through dance instructions and tempo, or it is something that isn't really valid for enough other dancers to permit the sort of generalization that dance calls for, and the dancers have won a point. But I think we don't often really try hard enough to adapt to tempi different from what we feel is right, and the composer deserves a fair trial of his/her ideas. Of course, it is possible that the desired effect does materialize at the recommended tempo, but that other, perhaps even more desirable effects result from a tempo different from what the composer envisioned; a dance in the hands of dancers is a creation of the dancers as well as of the originator, and the dance done will be more or less or different from what was originally conceived by what the dancers themselves bring to it. However, the idea that all dances by Colin, or all dances as they are done in England, would be improved by taking them at a faster tempo, is beyond my threshold of credibility. Eric Arnold Ann Arbor ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 09:55:23 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 12:57:43 -0400 (EDT) From: CF1125-AT- aol.com Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: NY Times To: eba-AT- umich.edu, owner-ecd-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU, ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <970723125741_358439916-AT- emout04.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 7/23/97 4:39:04 PM, eba-AT- umich.edu (Eric Arnold) wrote: >Part of it is simply a discussion of how much say does/ought the composer >of a dance and music have in dictating how fast a dance should be done -- >an ongoing discussion from at least one dance weekend at which Colin and >some representatives of other points of view were present. > >My feeling is that if the composer says it ought to be slower, if we don't >dance it slower, there's a good chance that we're missing something that >(s)he intended. Of course there's always the possibility that we'll still >miss the whatever-it-is if we dance it slower while wishing it would go >faster. To try to capture the elusive tempo-dependent will'o'the wisp, I >think it's important to make a real effort to make the dance the most that >one can at whatever tempo it is done at, and see if, when it is done at a >temple deemed appropriate by the aauthor, if the desirable effect is >produced. If it is, then the composer has won a point. If, even with the >(*really*) best effort of the dancers, the desirable effect doesn't >materialize, then either the composer's point is too ethereal to be >conveyed simply through dance instructions and tempo, or it is something >that isn't really valid for enough other dancers to permit the sort of >generalization that dance calls for, and the dancers have won a point. >But I think we don't often really try hard enough to adapt to tempi >different from what we feel is right, and the composer deserves a fair >trial of his/her ideas. > >Of course, it is possible that the desired effect does materialize at >the recommended tempo, but that other, perhaps even more desirable effects >result from a tempo different from what the composer envisioned; a dance >in the hands of dancers is a creation of the dancers as well as of the >originator, and the dance done will be more or less or different from what >was originally conceived by what the dancers themselves bring to it. This is a fascinating subject, and is really the same question as what tempo to play any given piece of music?: the composer's stated instructions? did Beethoven really understand his metronome markings? can we take more liberties if the composer is long dead? can we take more liberties with a composer of the stature of, say, Offenbach, than we would with Mozart? Similarly, we have no problem choosing any tempo that seems right to us when we dance Hambleton's Round O, but are circumspect about questioning Colin's or Fried's instructions about their dances. Nevertheless, I love the dance Elizabeth, as long as it's done significantly faster than Colin's expressed instructions, and, to me, Fireflies is only fun done much quicker than I have been told that Fried likes it. --Carl Friedman ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 15:34:40 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 18:38:25 -0400 From: Barbara Ruth Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Double Dutch To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: Reply to: RE>>Double Dutch Sorry, Barbara, for having raised the rumpus. Perhaps a useful compromise can be worked out -- for example, the instructions, perhaps in somewhat abbreviated "ball" format, might be circulated in advance of camp among folks who were interested in doing it, and they could commit as much of that information to memory as they are able. Then, however the opportunity arises to do the dance, this should reduce the teaching time significantly, and contribute to a more successful and enjoyable event; if it happens in a class, it takes less valuable class time, and if it happens outside of class, it makes the job easier for whomever is teaching it. And I have no problem either, Barbara, with your preferring to have Phillipe do that -- that would be my preference, too, but not in class, and I don't feel that I'm entitled to ask him to do it outside of class. > Maybe in that case we could somehow rustle up some extracurricular period if > there are eighteen able-bodied dancers who are interested in doing it, Actually, 16 are sufficient if there are no casualties (:^) Eric Arnold Ann Arbor -------------------------------------- We can't even agree on the number of dancers needed, and you think we can dance it without a capable teacher/leader? :^ ) I think it's admirable that you would never impose on a teacher by asking him to teach outside of scheduled class time and I appreciate your willingness to compromise with me on what dances I am allowed to request from whom, but with regard to teaching methods, I am afraid you need to discuss that with Phillipe directly. I don't feel entitled to speak for him, and since the request to teach the dance was actually directed to him in the first place, and he is also a member of the staff, it does seem that you ought to at least consult him briefly on the matters of whether or not _he_ wants to teach the dance, and when, where and how, before letting me or the list in general know how you plan to organize things. In the spirit of compromise, however, I have a suggestion. I am very eager to dance "Dutch Crossing" again, and remain hopeful that my request will be honored by Phillipe, whom I know from previous experience to be an excellent and delightful instructor. You, obviously, are every bit as eager to be in charge of organizing a large, complicated dance, and running it according to your ideas of how dances should be done, as you described in greater detail to me, and as I have also heard so much about from many contacts in the Michigan Dance Community. Why not pick a dance of your own choosing, one that you would like to do that hasn't already been publicly requested of a particular instructor, and announce it as an extracurricular activity. That way it would be your own personal project, you could recruit participants and run it as you please, making people memorize instructions in advance or not, and those who appreciate your particular style of teaching can have the opportunity to work with you, without you imposing yourself on those who might be less appreciative. And if it doesn't work out, you won't have to feel that you've been the cause of spoiling someone else's pleasure. Barbara Ruth New Haven, CT ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 16:07:17 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 16:10:13 -0700 (PDT) From: rushton-AT- biology.utah.edu (Emma Rushton) Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: starting a new ecd club - thanks To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I want to thank everyone who posted here or emailed me personally for their very helpful suggestions and encouragement. I am going away for 3 weeks (to Sidmouth folk festival among other places - can hardly wait!), so won't be reading this for a while, however, do keep the suggestions flooding in! I'll try and answer when I get back, and maybe even post a little summary. Emma Emma Rushton, time flies like an arrow Department of Biology, fruit flies like a banana University of Utah, Salt Lake City, UT 84112 (801) 585-9425 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 20:47:17 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 00:03:57 -0400 From: Faina Riftina Subject: Re: Stepnotes To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <33D6D42D.641C-AT- is3.nyu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <707A9A93BBD-AT- obgyn.amc.edu> [Here's the article you requested on the use of a spreadsheet in managing my dance programming. Let me know if this is what you had in mind, whether you need additional details (there aren't many more, though), or any other improvements you can think of.] "Exceling" at ECD When I first began English Country Dancing many years ago at the University of Chicago, my teacher at the time, the incomparable Pat Talbot, rushed up to me at the first break and breathlessly asked, "What branch of science are you in?" "Well," I had to tell her, "I'm in political science!" Pat was nonplussed at my unexpected response. But her assumption that there's some subtle connection between a mind that adapts quickly to English Country Dancing and one that thinks logically enough for a career in science is probably not too far off. And while science, per se, hasn't been particularly germane to my dancing, computer science has played a small but important part. In particular, I keep my list of dances in an Excel spreadsheet. In the columns next to each dance title I add the formation, the meter, and the key signature, and whether or not its tune is in the new Barnes. Ultimately I hope to add additional information, one by one, column by column, for types of figures, date of first publication, choreographer, level of difficulty, and so on. Because I can sort the data on any column (or field, in the language of databases), I can create lists of dances by formation, level of difficulty, date, or whatever is useful for the programming that I have to do. Currently the spreadsheet holds over 225 titles. I won't be satisfied until it grows by 50 percent or more. This spreadsheet use, of course, is computer science at a fairly primitive level. It's merely a poor man's flat file database. Still it's easy and useful. Now, if only I could commit it all to memory.... ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 20:51:54 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 00:08:40 -0400 From: Faina Riftina Subject: Re: Stepnotes--my apologies To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <33D6D548.68F4-AT- is3.nyu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <707A9A93BBD-AT- obgyn.amc.edu> <33D6D42D.641C-AT- is3.nyu.edu> Paul Ross apologizes for accidentally responding to the whole list when he meant to respond only to Margharita Modica. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 22:24:18 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 22:24:14 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Re: Stepnotes--my apologies To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01ILLBPRUSBM91VZXM-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT In my opinion: Paul Ross may apologize if he pleases for posting to the whole list when he meant to respond only to Margharita Modica, but in fact this generated a posting which is entirely on topic to the list, and might even start a fruitful discussion. Folks - if you use computers to keep track of your dance notes, what techniques do you use? Until fairly recently Eric Goodill maintained a HyperCard database of dances that had been done at English sessions in the Bay Area, so that we could answer questions about (presumable) audience familiarity, whether a ball dance had been done everywhere yet, etc. Anybody else do anything like that? Emily Ferguson maintains a HyperCard stack of dance directions and comments in her area, if remember aright. Are other tools in use? -- Alan =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 415/926-3056 Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA 94309-0210 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 01:36:50 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 04:35:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Margaret Whaley <101454.633-AT- CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Dutch Crossing To: ECD Message-ID: <970724083500_101454.633_IHP76-1-AT- CompuServe.COM> From: Margaret Whaley, 101454,633 TO: ECD, INTERNET:ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu DATE: 22/07/97 11:36 RE: : Dutch Crossing We learnt Dutch Crossing at a Day of Dance in Hampshire last year. And learnt it in about 20 minutes! - Is this a record? The caller was John Turner - and he had a chart with him, you know, like a dot-to-dot pattern. - he gave us a 5-minute theory lesson - explaining the moves and who and where our "buddy" was - then we walked it through! After that it was fairly easy!! - At least until we danced it for the second time and my "buddy" took her sweat shirt off. It completely threw me having somebody come towards me in a white tee shirt rather than a red sweat shirt!!!!! Margaret Whaley Oxfordshire ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 06:30:06 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 09:29:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Margaret Whaley <101454.633-AT- CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Sidmouth Folk Festival To: ECD Message-ID: <970724132929_101454.633_IHP133-2-AT- CompuServe.COM> Emma Rushton writes that she is coming over to Sidmouth (1-8th August) Is anybody else coming across? I shall be there - and I assume Hugh and Bob will be as well - won't you chaps? - We won't leave you out on the introductions this time, Bob! Margaret Whaley Oxfordshire ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 07:26:59 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 10:29:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Arnold Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Dutch Crossing To: ECD Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Margaret Whaley wrote: > We learnt Dutch Crossing at a Day of Dance in Hampshire last year. > > And learnt it in about 20 minutes! - Is this a record? > > The caller was John Turner - and he had a chart with him, you know, like a > dot-to-dot pattern. > - he gave us a 5-minute theory lesson - explaining the moves and who and where > our "buddy" was - then we walked it through! > > After that it was fairly easy!! John Turner and his wife Hilary (both delightful people!) are well known to some of us on this side of the pond from their visits to Pinewoods and his calling tour in the late summer and fall of 1995. Would that his calling were more available to us, particularly with regard to Dutch Crossing, for which there is acute need! (;-^) Margaret, you may find yourselves subjected to some of the "Quads" (squares for 8 couples) of Rod Linnell under John's tutelage, if you haven't already -- another dance set requiring 16 dancers per set. I'm somewhat to blame for that... Eric Arnold Ann Arbor ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 11:33:08 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 11:02:29 -0700 From: robert-AT- slipknot.rain.com Subject: Re: Double Dutch To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: barbara.ruth-AT- yale.edu wrote: |Sorry, Barbara, for having raised the rumpus. Perhaps a useful compromise |can be worked out -- for example, the instructions, perhaps in somewhat |abbreviated "ball" format, might be circulated in advance of camp among |folks who were interested in doing it, and they could commit as much of |that information to memory as they are able. Then, however the |opportunity arises to do the dance, this should reduce the teaching time |significantly, and contribute to a more successful and enjoyable event; if |it happens in a class, it takes less valuable class time, and if it |happens outside of class, it makes the job easier for whomever is teaching |it. And I have no problem either, Barbara, with your preferring to have |Phillipe do that -- that would be my preference, too, but not in class, |and I don't feel that I'm entitled to ask him to do it outside of class. Why not? If you organize the couples and the musicians together, all that remains is to hoodwink him into providing the instruction. You could do it as a dance demo for your skit-night. Of course compelling 18-20 people (assuming one instructor and 1-3 musicians) to gather for sufficient time in between times and all in the same (available?) space might be a logistical nightmare. Maybe Nan's private party is the better idea (it WAS a lovely day). Incidentally, BACDS English Week was a grand time this year, but you can't trust my opinion. I've only missed one of them since they started in 1980, and am of the mind that a bad week at the Woodlands is better than most good weeks at home, regardless of who's on staff. But this staff was well balanced and the dancing level was through the ceiling. ________________________________________________________________________________ Robert Reed Home Animation Limited 503-656-8414 email: robert-AT- slipknot.rain.com West Linn, OR 97068-3222 If dogs could talk, it would take a lot of the fun out of owning one. --Andrew A. Rooney ________________________________________________________________________________ ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 12:43:30 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 12:43:29 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: 'ware Juno -- e-mail stuff, no dance content, sorry To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01ILM5L3RM2E91W5RY-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Folks -- (Speaking as the list maintainer here.) I've just diagnosed a problem which may have kept any ECD subscribers using the Juno service from seeing any ECD mail for much of a week. It appears that there is a bug in Juno's email handling such that, if a message is sent to multiple people at Juno, and one of those people has a full mailbox, the message isn't delivered to *anybody*. This is, to say the least, broken. Anyway, I sent a note with my conclusion and supporting evidence to postmaster-AT- juno.com, and received an automated response telling me where to download the juno client software for free, and another address (support-AT- juno.com), also answered by a robot, for information on how to use the juno client software. This is also broken behavior; I believe the RFCs specify that postmaster reach a human being. There was no hint of how to reach a human being in this message. I am deeply disappointed in juno.com. If you're going to set up as a service that specifically does internet e-mail for a living, you should follow the rules - and you shouldn't mistakenly fail to deliver email to cooperative users who have disk space left. Anyway, I set the person-with-a-full-mailbox to DIGEST, so she won't be getting the same message at the same time as the other juno subscribers; in theory, that means juno subscribers will see this message as the first one after a longish gap. If one of you juno subscribers knows how to reach a human being in tech support, perhaps you can tell me (off-list) at winston-AT- slac.stanford.edu. Other subscribers, please consider what this tells you about the integrity and reliability of the juno.com service, if you were considering signing up. 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As you learned from the enclosed material, the PRODUCT is a series of four 4 FINANCIAL AND BUSINESS REPORTS. The information contained in these REPORTS will not only help you in making your participation in this program more rewarding, but will be useful to you in any other business decisions you make in the years ahead. You are also buying the rights to reprint all of the REPORTS, which will be ordered from you by those to whom you mail this program. The concise one and two page REPORTS you will be buying can easily be reproduced at a local copy center for a cost off about 3 cents a copy. Best wishes with the program and Good Luck! "IT WAS TRULY AMAZING" "Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this program. But conservative as I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was no way that I could not get enough orders to at least get my money back. 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Obtain as many email addresses as possible to send until you receive the information on mailing list companies in REPORT #3. 5. Decide on the number of programs you intend to send out. The more you send, and the quicker you send them, the more money you will make. 6. After mailing the programs, get ready to fill the orders. 7. Copy the four 4 REPORTS so you are able to sent them out as soon as you receive an order. IMPORTANT: ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ORDERS YOU RECEIVE! 8. Make certain the letter and reports are neat and legible. YOUR GUARANTEE The check point which GUARANTEES your success is simply this: you must receive 15 to 20 orders for REPORT #1. This is a must!!! If you don't within two weeks, email out more programs until you do. Then a couple of weeks later you should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT #2, if you don't, send out more programs until you do. Once you have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, (take a deep breath) you can sit back and relax, because YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE AT LEAST $50,000. Mathematically it is a proven guarantee. Of those who have participated in the program and reached the above GUARANTEES-ALL have reached their $50,000 goal. Also, remember, every time your name is moved down the list you are in front of a different REPORT, so you can keep track of your program by knowing what people are ordering from you. IT'S THAT EASY, REALLY, IT IS!!! REMEMBER: "HE WHO DARES NOTHING, NEED NOT HOPE FOR ANYTHING." "INVEST A LITTLE TIME, ENERGY AND MONEY NOW OR SEARCH FOR IT FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE." ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 16:15:29 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 16:15:28 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing Subject: Oops! To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <01ILMD96HUUA91W6Y2-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Folks -- This latest piece of spam led me to get out the manual and check that the list setup was the way I thought it was. Nope. The protection code that I thought meant no write access unless you were subscribed actually meant something else. This is fixed now. Sorry about that, and I hope this prevents any further spamming of the list. -- Alan =============================================================================== Alan Winston --- WINSTON-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 415/926-3056 Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA 94309-0210 =============================================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 16:48:34 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 19:51:29 -0400 (EDT) From: "m.a.j. mckenna" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: exasperation Re: SAVE THIS!! To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970724194515.2d7fb250-AT- pop.mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" that's the second time in a month the list has been spammed. grrrr. is there anything to be done? maryn mck. ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 20:47:17 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 23:47:38 +0000 From: Rich Galloway Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Stepnotes--my apologies To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199707250347.XAA09826-AT- ns.kreative.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > Folks - if you use computers to keep track of your dance notes, what > techniques do you use? Until fairly recently Eric Goodill > maintained a HyperCard database of dances that had been done at > English sessions in the Bay Area, so that we could answer questions > about (presumable) audience familiarity, whether a ball dance had I have my dance cards in WordPerfect files. (Anyone know how to rescue a corrupted WordPerfect document that crashes every version of WP I try?**) The files are arranged to print on 3 1/2 x 5 1/2 cards. I can find what I want fairly quickly, using WP's QuickIndex search engine. Data includes notes about history, but not info about how the dance has gone at local dances. I tend to remember those details (or at least I did when I still had a memory). The callers for the Baltimore and Glen Echo ECD use e-mail to exchange running lists of dances called, musicians and callers. (Thanks go to Mary Kay for cranking out the list every week. When left to each caller, some of us were not so consistently reliable.) On rare occasions, a caller may add notes about a dance. Just knowing what's been called recently is a big help. ** I do have a back-up on tape, but the tape drive isn't compatible with my new computer. I've reclaimed my old PC, but haven't found the time to figure out how to reinstall the tape drive.) ==================================================== Rich Galloway Silver Spring, MD ==================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 03:37:47 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 04:50:07 -0400 From: Sharon A McKinley Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: SAVE THIS!! Spend only $20 and make $50,000!! Lets get To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: rich! -Reply You HAVE to read this!! Multi Level Marketing for Dummies! No Selling! No Hassle! A No Brainer!! Please don't make the same mistake I made! I threw this letter away at least twice before I took the time to read it. When I did, it dawned on me that this could work! Take a look for yourself! A copy of the letter that I had recieved is below.. ***************************************************************** Dear friend, <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> You are about to make at least $50,000 - In less than 90 days Read the enclosed program...THEN READ IT AGAIN!... <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> The following income opportunity is one you may be interested in taking a look at. It can be started with VERY MINIMAL outlay and the income return is TREMENDOUS! The enclosed information is something I almost let slip through my fingers. Fortunately, sometime later I re-read everything and gave some thought and study to it. ********************************************************************* My name is Christopher Erickson. Two years ago, the corporation I worked at for the past twelve years down-sized and my position was eliminated. After unproductive job interviews, I decided to open my own business. Over the past year, I incurred many unforeseen financial problems. I owed my family, friends, and creditors over $35,000. The economy was taking a toll on my business and I just couldn't seem to make ends meet. I had to refinance and borrow against my home to support my family and struggling business. I truly believe it was wrong for me to be in debt like this. AT THAT MOMENT something significant happened in my life and I am writing to share my experience in hopes that this will change your life FOREVER....FINANCIALLY!!! In mid-December, I received this program via email. Six months prior to receiving this program I had been sending away for information on various business opportunities. All of the programs I received, in my opinion, were not cost effective. They were either too difficult for me to comprehend or the initial investment was too much for me to risk to see if they worked or not. One claimed I'd make a million dollars in one year...it didn't tell me I'd have to write a book to make it. But like I was saying, in December of '95 I received this program. I didn't send for it, or ask for it, they just got my name off a mailing list. THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT!!! After reading it several times, to make sure I was reading it correctly, I couldn't believe my eyes. Here was a MONEY-MAKING PHENOMENON. I could invest as much as I wanted to start, without putting me further in debt. After I got a pencil and paper and figured it out, I would at least get my money back. After determining that the program is LEGAL and NOT A CHAIN LETTER, I decided "WHY NOT". Initially I sent out 10,000 emails. It only cost me about $15.00 for my time on-line. The great thing about email is that I didn't need any money for printing to send out the program, only the cost to fulfill my orders. I am telling you like it is, I hope it doesn't turn you off, but I promised myself that I would not "rip-off" anyone, no matter how much money it cost me! A good program to help do this is Power Mail and Protarget an email extracting and mass mail program -AT- http://webgrip.com In less than one week, I was starting to receive orders for REPORT #1. By January 13th, I had received 26 orders for REPORT #1. When you read the GUARANTEE in the program, you will see that "YOU MUST RECEIVE 15 TO 20 ORDERS FOR REPORT #1 WITHIN TWO WEEKS. IF YOU DON'T, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO!" My first step in making $50,000 in 20 to 90 days was done. By January 30th, I had received 196 orders for REPORT #2. If you go back to the GUARANTEE, "YOU MUST RECEIVE 100 OR MORE ORDERS FOR REPORT #2 WITHIN TWO WEEKS. IF NOT, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO. ONCE YOU HAVE 100 ORDERS, THE REST IS EASY, RELAX, YOU WILL MAKE YOUR $50,000 GOAL." Well, I had 196 orders for REPORT #2, 96 more than I needed. So I sat back and relaxed. By March 19th, of my emailing of 10,000, I received $58,000 with more coming in every day. I paid off ALL my debts and bought a much needed new car. Please take time to read the attached program, IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER! Remember, it wont work if you don't try it. This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rules of not trying to place your name in a different place. It doesn't work, you'll lose out on a lot of money! REPORT #2 explains this. Always follow the guarantee, 15 to 20 orders for REPORT #1, and 100 or more orders for REPORT #2 and you will make $50,000 or more in 20 to 90 days. I AM LIVING PROOF THAT IT WORKS !!! If you choose not to participate in this program, I'm sorry. It really is a great opportunity with little cost or risk to you. If you choose to participate, follow the program and you will be on your way to financial security. If you are a fellow business owner and you are in financial trouble like I was, or you want to start your own business, consider this a sign. I DID! Sincerely, Christopher Erickson PS Do you have any idea what 11,700 $5 bills ($58,000) look like piled up on a kitchen table? IT'S AWESOME! "THREW IT AWAY" "I had received this program before. I threw it away, but later wondered if I shouldn't have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get a copy, so I had to wait until I was emailed another copy of the program. Eleven months passed, then it came. I DIDN'T throw this one away. I made $41,000 on the first try." Dawn W., Evansville, IN "NO FREE LUNCH" "My late father always told me, 'remember, Alan, there is no free lunch in life. You get out of life what you put into it.' Through trial and error and a somewhat slow frustrating start, I finally figured it out. The program works very well, I just had to find the right target group of people to email it to. So far this year, I have made over $63,000 using this program. I know my dad would have been very proud of me." Alan B., Philadelphia, PA A PERSONAL NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM By the time you have read the enclosed information and looked over the enclosed program and reports, you should have concluded that such a program, and one that is legal, could not have been created by an amateur. Let me tell you a little about myself. I had a profitable business for ten years. Then in 1979 my business began falling off. I was doing the same things that were previously successful for me, but it wasn't working. Finally, I figured it out. It wasn't me, it was the economy. Inflation and recession had replaced the stable economy that had been with us since 1945. I don't have to tell you what happened to the unemployment rate...because many of you know from first hand experience. There were more failures and bankruptcies than ever before. The middle class was vanishing. Those who knew what they were doing invested wisely and moved up. Those who did not, including those who never had anything to save or invest, were moving down into the ranks of the poor. As the saying goes, "THE RICH GET RICHER AND THE POOR GET POORER." The traditional methods of making money will never allow you to "move up" or "get rich", inflation will see to that. You have just received information that can give you financial freedom for the rest of your life, with "NO RISK" and "JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT." You can make more money in the next few months than you have ever imagined. I should also point out that I will not see a penny of your money, nor anyone else who has provided a testimonial for this program. I have already made over FOUR MILLION DOLLARS! I have retired from the program after sending out over 16,000 programs. Now I have several offices which market this and several other programs here in the US a ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 03:38:17 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 04:50:31 -0400 From: Sharon A McKinley Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: SAVE THIS!! Spend only $20 and make $50,000!! Lets get To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: rich! -Reply scram, buddy! ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 03:38:47 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 04:50:49 -0400 From: Sharon A McKinley Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: SAVE THIS!! Spend only $20 and make $50,000!! Lets get To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: rich! -Reply ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 07:14:14 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 16:21:17 +0000 From: Antony Heywood Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Dutch Crossing To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199707251417.QAA12557-AT- IAEhv.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Readers in the U.K. may be interested to know that I will be doing Dutch Crossing at a workshop during the Folk Dance Gathering in Claygate Surrey on September 20th. More details from Kingston and Thames Valley Folk Association, Mrs Margaret Brooke, 18 Albert Road, Ashford, Middlesex TW15 2LU. Antony Heywood The Netherlands ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 07:58:16 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 10:02:03 -0500 From: Mike or Norma Briggs Subject: dtrump To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <33D8BFEB.367-AT- execpc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <01ILM5L3RM2E91W5RY-AT- SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> Not surprisingly, "dtrump" is a pseudonym and "tpalace.com" is a "host not found". Don't waste your time sending snide replies, as I did. Just delete and get on with life. Mike ************************************************* Norma and Mike Briggs 1.608.2571600 (voice) Briggs Law Office 1.608.2571611 (fax) 1914 Monroe St Madison WI 53711-2057 USA brigglaw-AT- execpc.com ------------------------------------------------- A N E I G H B O R H O O D L A W O F F I C E ************************************************* ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 08:08:06 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 11:10:59 -0400 (EDT) From: walkowit-AT- is2.nyu.edu (Daniel J. Walkowitz) Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Dutch Crossing To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <0EDV007IERIAUO-AT- is2.nyu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" As I think I mentioned in an earlier note, I will be teaching in London from Sept. 10 to Dec. 15. Could someone in the know from that fair land send me a missive ( a personal message may be more appropriate) with a list of venues, events and a phone contact or two. I do know the Sharpe House. Thanks in advance, Danny Walkowitz >Readers in the U.K. may be interested to know that I will be doing >Dutch Crossing at a workshop during the Folk Dance Gathering in >Claygate Surrey on September 20th. > >More details from Kingston and Thames Valley Folk Association, Mrs >Margaret Brooke, 18 Albert Road, Ashford, Middlesex TW15 2LU. > >Antony Heywood >The Netherlands > > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 08:16:16 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 11:19:10 -0400 (EDT) From: walkowit-AT- is2.nyu.edu (Daniel J. Walkowitz) Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Stepnotes--my apologies To: ECD-AT- PLAYFORD.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <0EDV007PORVY2H-AT- is2.nyu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Rick, Since the file is readable via QuickIndex, have you tried converting the file into another wordprocessing format (i.e., Word, Nota Bene, ASCH, etc.) using a conversion program like Wordport (or the one built into Word)? Then convert back and add codes. Danny Walkowitz >> Folks - if you use computers to keep track of your dance notes, what >> techniques do you use? Until fairly recently Eric Goodill >> maintained a HyperCard database of dances that had been done at >> English sessions in the Bay Area, so that we could answer questions >> about (presumable) audience familiarity, whether a ball dance had > >I have my dance cards in WordPerfect files. (Anyone know how to >rescue a corrupted WordPerfect document that crashes every version of >WP I try?**) The files are arranged to print on 3 1/2 x 5 1/2 cards. > I can find what I want fairly quickly, using WP's QuickIndex search >engine. Data includes notes about history, but not info about how >the dance has gone at local dances. I tend to remember those details >(or at least I did when I still had a memory). > >The callers for the Baltimore and Glen Echo ECD use e-mail to >exchange running lists of dances called, musicians and callers. >(Thanks go to Mary Kay for cranking out the list every week. When >left to each caller, some of us were not so consistently reliable.) >On rare occasions, a caller may add notes about a dance. Just >knowing what's been called recently is a big help. > >** I do have a back-up on tape, but the tape drive isn't compatible >with my new computer. I've reclaimed my old PC, but haven't found >the time to figure out how to reinstall the tape drive.) >==================================================== >Rich Galloway Silver Spring, MD >==================================================== > > ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 09:15:27 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 16:23:04 +0000 From: bob-AT- hottub.demon.co.uk Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Through the Ceiling To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <869846550.091155.0-AT- hottub.demon.co.uk> EVANS Nan E wrote: > For me, the most exciting and challenging sessions were led by Bruce - > a session entitled "Through the Ceiling" and the leaders' session. This sounds absolutely fascinating. I've corresponded with Bruce in the past about ideas for dance workshops and I know he has a great way of looking at things. I'd love to find out more about this but I'm aware that a. it was probably one of those things you had to be there for and b. it seems a bit unfair to take a workshop that has had a lot of work put into it and distribute it on the net. So, if anyone can come up with any comments that don't violate the two constraints above I'd be very grateful if you could post them. Alternatively, any more details about where Bruce is likely to be running this workshop would be great (I guess that they're all places I'm going to have to buy a transatlantic 'plane ticket for but I might be able to plan a holiday around an appropriate dance occasion). Bob ---------------------------------------------------------- -- Bob Archer bob-AT- hottub.demon.co.uk ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 09:25:44 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 16:13:36 +0000 From: bob-AT- hottub.demon.co.uk Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Sidmouth To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <869846546.091150.0-AT- hottub.demon.co.uk> Margaret Whaley <101454.633-AT- CompuServe.COM> wrote: > I shall be there - and I assume Hugh and Bob will be as well - won't > you chaps? I'm not going to make it for the whole week but I hope to get along for the weekend. > - We won't leave you out on the introductions this time, Bob! Thanks :-) Bob ---------------------------------------------------------- -- Bob Archer bob-AT- hottub.demon.co.uk ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 11:57:06 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 14:59:05 -0400 From: Barbara Ruth Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Oops! To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: Reply to: RE>Oops! -------------------------------------- Alan Winston wrote Folks -- This latest piece of spam led me to get out the manual and check that the list setup was the way I thought it was. Nope. The protection code that I thought meant no write access unless you were subscribed actually meant something else. This is fixed now. Sorry about that, and I hope this prevents any further spamming of the list. -- Alan ============================================================================= Seems like an appropriate moment to acknowledge the work Alan has done to get and keep this list up and running, solely as an act of public service and generousity. No apologies needed for occasional snags. Thanks for doing it at all. Barbara Ruth New Haven, CT ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 12:23:40 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 14:25:19 -0500 (CDT) From: FORBES-AT- GEORGE.BAKERU.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Oops! To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <970725142519.56b9-AT- GEORGE.BAKERU.EDU> Barbara Ruth is right. Here! Here! for Alan and his efforts. Compared to various other lists I'm on, Alan does an incredible, thoughtful, thorough job with lots of integrity to make up for our flaming. Long live and Prosper! 8-0)> (A Vulcan in disguise?) Forbes/Baker University ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 19:45:11 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 22:49:04 +0000 From: Rich Galloway Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Off topic about corrupted WP files To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199707260245.WAA07340-AT- ns.kreative.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > Rick, > Since the file is readable via QuickIndex, have you tried > converting > the file into another wordprocessing format (i.e., Word, Nota Bene, > ASCH, etc.) using a conversion program like Wordport (or the one > built into Word)? Then convert back and add codes. > Danny Walkowitz > Thanks Danny, I've tried Word. It would either bulk at translating the file or lost nearly all the formatting. Wordport might be a better bet. I'll try to track down a copy. I can't just use the viewer programs and cut and paste because it's fairly critical that I recover my research notes, which are in WP comments and are not viewable in the viewers. Thanks also to Paul Stamler who sent me a private post! P.s., I just had to reconstruct the headers in this message by hand. It bombed the first time I sent it. (Don't ask why; it's complicated.) Please excuse if I messed something up and you get a bunch of gibberish. ==================================================== Rich Galloway Silver Spring, MD ==================================================== ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 08:26:04 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 11:29:02 -0400 From: "Daniel J. Walkowitz" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Off topic about corrupted WP files To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <9707261529.AA20313-AT- is.nyu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Rick, Just to let you know the message did come through. Good luck with the file. Danny At 10:49 PM 7/25/97 +0000, Rich Galloway wrote: >> Rick, >> Since the file is readable via QuickIndex, have you tried >> converting >> the file into another wordprocessing format (i.e., Word, Nota Bene, >> ASCH, etc.) using a conversion program like Wordport (or the one >> built into Word)? Then convert back and add codes. >> Danny Walkowitz >> >Thanks Danny, > >I've tried Word. It would either bulk at translating the file or lost >nearly all the formatting. Wordport might be a better bet. I'll try >to track down a copy. I can't just use the viewer programs and cut >and paste because it's fairly critical that I recover my research >notes, which are in WP comments and are not viewable in the viewers. > >Thanks also to Paul Stamler who sent me a private post! > >P.s., I just had to reconstruct the headers in this message by hand. >It bombed the first time I sent it. (Don't ask why; it's >complicated.) Please excuse if I messed something up and you get a >bunch of gibberish. > >==================================================== >Rich Galloway Silver Spring, MD >==================================================== > > > Daniel J. Walkowitz Professor of History Director, Metropolitan Studies Book Review Editor RADICAL HISTORY REVIEW Home: 133 West 17th St., 5D New York, NY 10011-5423 tel. 212-243-6418 fax 212-675-0398 Office: c/o Metropolitan Studies New York University 285 Mercer Street, 7th floor New York, NY 10003 tel. 212-998-8091 fax 212-995-4371 ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 14:43:44 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 17:45:27 -0400 (EDT) From: "Hanny D. Budnick" <74031.77-AT- CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: starting a new ECD club To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <970726214527_74031.77_BHT112-1-AT- CompuServe.COM> HI Emma - when I started an ECD group almost 26 years ago, my core group consisted of my international dance friends who had quite a few English dances in their repertoire already. Then we spread the word, and the group has been viable ever since. So, it helps to let other dance groups in the area know that you're existing! Perhaps you can establish a 'mutual announcements' exchange - and a mechanism that avoids conflicts? I LOVE newcomers! If we can communicate our love of ECD and invite them to share it - that's what it's all about, right? BUT - and this is an important point in my mind - I am not willing to 'sacrifice' a whole session to the chance newcomers! Recently I attended an evening (regular weekly series) when three absolute neophytes walked in and were welcomed like prodigal children (mature adults though they were). Since the musicians supposedly need the program four weeks in advance, the program was not changed on behalf of these newcomers, although it was clearly planned with - at least - adequate ECD experience in mind. The newcomers were invited into EVERY dance, regardless of difficulty, and the dances were 'taught down' to them, with varying success. Just as one cannot expect to perform with a musical ensemble without practicing first, a neophyte should not be thrown into any and all dances! What does the caller consider her/his responsibility towards the experienced dancers? So, I think it is okay to invite beginning dancers to sit out one or two dances and watch as 'those who know' enjoy dancing with each other. Or even, a new dance calling for more advanced skills, can be taught to the more experienced dancers while the others look on. To be thrown into helping or coaching mode should be optional, not mandatory for participation, if newcomers are present. You may consider this as an advertisement for times to come: stick with us and you will learn all those graceful movements and interesting dances - in due time, but not IMMEDIATELY! Nothing kills a potentially good dance quicker than seven dancers hovering over the movements of # 8, who was drafted (or volunteered) to complete a set. Soooooooo, you could have done your Lilliburlero if there had been enough folks who had done it the previous month. From the wealth of ECD material you can choose what appeals to you and your musicians. Perhaps a few dances from the CDM, traditional ones, would be great for the musicians? Dancers sure love them unless they are stuck in a Playford groove... And of the historical ECDs - at the beginning of a new series with plenty of newcomers I'd do lots of dances with up a double and back, siding (both kinds), arming, setting, turn singles and casting up or down before I'd do heys. It gives the dancers confidence when they know the body of a dance and just have to learn a new chorus... Check out 'Upon a Summer's Day', 'I care not for these ladies' (danced in a big circle as a mixer). I use 'Berkshire Fool' as an introductory dance. It's a mixer and lets everyone learn who else is around and a potential partner. If the situation and atmosphere warrant it, you may ask everybody to stay with their last partner in the mixer. I believe that you can truly call yourself a dancer only when you can accommodate ANY partner, and mixers help develop that. During the weekly series, when someone did not show up five times in a row, I would contact them by post card or phone, find out what kept them away and encourage them to come again - but that may not be possible for a monthly session. A policy of 'bring a friend for free first-time admission' may attract new dancers as well. Have you considered calling and teaching from the floor, so that the dancers can see you move? Good luck with your project, it sounds exciting! _-AT- _ {)/' /\ /\_._,<_/ ' \ /_\ /> /< Hanny ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 13:47:35 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 13:50:36 -0700 From: Bruce Hamilton Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: RE: Through the Ceiling To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199707272050.AA089786636-AT- hplbh.hpl.hp.com> Bob Archer wrote: >[...] I'd love to find out more about this but I'm aware that a) it >was probably one of those things you had to be there for and b) it >seems a bit unfair to take a workshop that has had a lot of work put >into it and distribute it on the net. [...] Alternatively, any more >details about where Bruce is likely to be running this workshop would >be great... I'll take a stab at this, though I'd also like to hear other people's views. A one-line description would be "Hey, this room is full of people!" Less glibly, it was a series of guided discoveries, many of which don't fit into words very well. Each person probably made different discoveries, and different ones will be important to different people. Not to be mysterious, one potential discovery was that you can hold onto people and exert a very strong pull while still keeping your hand soft and friendly -- the trick lies in what to think about. Another is that you may be helping other dancers more than you need to, and thereby making your own dancing much worse than you are aware of. Another is that there are ways of listening to the band other than "listening to the band." I would love a chance to do it again (nudge, nudge, wink, wink), but it needs the right context. It's for people who want to continue to improve their dancing, but have hit a ceiling and need something new to help them punch through it. People who don't need to improve, or who want six nice hours of dancing, will find it boring. Also, it assumes that dancers are self-taught and self-motivated; people who want me to make their dancing better are in the wrong workshop. By the way, sincere thanks to Alisa Dodson, the camp programmer, for providing the right context. As for publishing the details: the teachers and callers I learned from were extraordinarily generous with their time, materials and ideas, and I'd feel selfish holding onto this just because it's my baby. But it's fragile right now. One can do the same exercises without discovering anything, and thereby reinforce the ceiling instead of punching through it. Or one can use the discoveries to replace old habits with new habits, and not gain any freedom. Finally, every day since camp I've thought of things I could have done better, and I'd like a chance to refine it a little more. Of course, in a sense it has already been published. Those who were there can describe it here, and any of them can now run a similar workshop, with their own emphasis. I hope they *will* describe it, since that would be useful feedback to me (thanks, Nan!). As I say, though, I hope people will refrain from copying it until I've refined it some more, and found a way to let it stand on its own. Bruce Hamilton Hewlett-Packard Laboratories MS-4AD Phone 415-857-2818 PO Box 10150, Palo Alto, CA 94303-0889 Fax 415-852-8092 bruce_hamilton-AT- hpl.hp.com ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 10:31:39 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 10:34:31 -0700 (PDT) From: mdevlin-AT- teleport.com (Mary Devlin) Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Through the Ceiling To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Adding to what Bruce said about his workshop, one of the discoveries I made was about choice. Choosing to help my partner rather than doing it by habit. Choosing *how* I might help. Choosing how I might move into a figure instead of always doing it the same way... Choosing to check in to see how I feel -- neck released? Am I balanced? Hands relaxed? This was the best workshop I've attended (ever!). I loved the challenge and the thoughtfulness. I do agree with Bruce that it's not for everyone -- but for those who wanted more than more dancing and were motivated to move beyond their habitual behaviors, it was perfect. Mary Devlin ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 02:28:18 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 08:44:24 +0000 From: bob-AT- hottub.demon.co.uk Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Through the Ceiling To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <870162383.0917476.0-AT- hottub.demon.co.uk> Bruce Hamilton wrote: > I'll take a stab at this, though I'd also like to hear other people's > views. A one-line description would be "Hey, this room is full of > people!" [ Lots of interesting stuff about the workshop snipped ] Thanks for posting this Bruce, it sounds like a fascinating experience. > I would love a chance to do it again (nudge, nudge, wink, wink), but > it needs the right context. I can think of plenty of people who this probably wouldn't work for at all, there are maybe a couple of English festivals that it would be suitable for. Presumably it was run as a series of sessions rather than one six hour session? It can be a problem finding suitable occasions to do this sort of material at. In England, most dance workshops tend to be along the lines of "do a few dances on a similar theme" with some lip service paid to style. I've started running a "dancing with the music" workshop intended to get people listening to the music more. I've been able to run it twice so far and hope to be running it again at a dance weekend in August. It's a lot more work all round than a "mini dance" type workshop but it feels more satisfying. Bob ---------------------------------------------------------- -- Bob Archer bob-AT- hottub.demon.co.uk ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 09:38:46 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 09:41:42 -0700 (PDT) From: dodson-AT- socrates.berkeley.edu (allen and alisa dodson) Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Through the Ceiling To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Bob Archer wrote (about Bruce's Through the Ceiling): >I can think of plenty of people who this probably wouldn't work for >at all, there are maybe a couple of English festivals that it would >be suitable for. Presumably it was run as a series of sessions rather >than one six hour session? Right -- it was a daily session at a week-long dance camp in the mountains near the California coast. The workshop was an hour and 15 min.long on 4 days and 45 min. long on the other 2 days. The isolation of the camp (a good half hour out of the nearest town, Mendocino, and much of that on a dirt road) and its relatively small size (a total of approx. 91 people, including staff) made for a good sense of community during the week -- and the people who came this year carried with them an amazing positive energy! >It can be a problem finding suitable occasions to do this sort of >material at. In England, most dance workshops tend to be along the >lines of "do a few dances on a similar theme" with some lip service >paid to style. I've started running a "dancing with the music" >workshop intended to get people listening to the music more. I've >been able to run it twice so far and hope to be running it again at a dance >weekend in August. It's a lot more work all round than a "mini dance" >type workshop but it feels more satisfying. I agree -- and bravo for making that effort! Alisa ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 11:26:05 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 11:16:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul J. Stamler" Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Through the Ceiling To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU CC: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 29 Jul 1997 bob-AT- hottub.demon.co.uk wrote: > It can be a problem finding suitable occasions to do this sort of > material at. In England, most dance workshops tend to be along the > lines of "do a few dances on a similar theme" with some lip service > paid to style. I've started running a "dancing with the music" > workshop intended to get people listening to the music more. I've > been able to run it twice so far and hope to be running it again at a dance > weekend in August. It's a lot more work all round than a "mini dance" > type workshop but it feels more satisfying. Along the lines of a "Listen to the Music" workshop, earlier this year we did one in our dance group that talked about (and demonstrated) various time signatures in the music and the different ways one moved to them. As part of this, we danced a version of "Sellenger's Round" in 4/4 time, which felt well and truly awful to all concerned. (We called it "Sellenger's Out-of-Round".) For the last time through, the band switched back to 6/8, and it was like taking off uncomfortable shoes--all of a sudden, things were right. Fun evening. Peace. Paul ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 08:34:16 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 10:37:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Jonathan Sivier Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: ECD pool party last Saturday To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: <199707301537.KAA08424-AT- ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> This past Saturday was the hottest day of the year (so far). With a high temperature of 99 and a heat-index of around 110 it was a perfect day for the Central Illinois English Country Dancer's second annual pool party. The water temperature was in the 80's in Jane Hobgood's pool, but it felt nice and cool after the heat of the air. Several people came and swam before the dancing, which began a bit after 4:00 in the afternoon. In all we had around 20 people attend the party, 4 musicians and 16 dancers. We did six dances in the pool during the afternoon, with breaks to allow the musicians to take a dip to cool off from time to time. We danced Black Nag, Dive For The Oyster (as a duple-minor contra), The Duke of Kent's Waltz, Selenger's Round, Steamboat and Upon A Summer's Day. The band had to really hold back on the tempo to give us time to execute the figures in the water. However the added resistance of the water gave us all a really good workout, I know I had various muscles which ached the next morning. After dancing we had a potluck cookout and relaxed at the Hobgoods' home until the party broke up as people headed for home. This year's pool party was a great success and we hope to do it again next year. Jonathan ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Jonathan Sivier |Q: How many angels can dance on the | | j-sivier-AT- uiuc.edu | head of a pin? | | Flight Simulation Lab |A: It depends on what dance you call. | | Beckman Institute | | | 405 N. Mathews | SWMDG - Single White Male | | Urbana, IL 61801 | Dance Gypsy | | Work: 217/244-1923 | | | Home: 217/359-8225 | Have shoes, will dance. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Home page URL: http://www.staff.uiuc.edu/~j-sivier | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 11:39:37 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 14:46:33 -0400 From: howardm-AT- mail90.mitre.org (Howard A. Markham) Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Unusual Triple Minor Progression (long message) To: ecd-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This note is from Pat Ruggiero. While preparing St. Margaret's Hill for teaching, I thought to look at the original instructions (Keller and Shimer, The Playford Ball, 1st Edition) and noticed a piece of information that had not registered with me before. The instructions say this is a longways dance for as many as will. I know that many of the 18th c. dances we now do as 3-couple sets were originally triple minors, but these ended with dancers in the order 2-1-3. The 2s and the 3s progressed one place up the set, changed roles with each repetition of the dance, and became 1s as they reached the top in turn. St. Margaret's Hill ends differently, with dancers in the order 3-1-2. If this dance really were a triple minor, some unusual effects would occur. First, only the 3s would progress up the set, and they would do so two places at a time. Second, both the 1s and the 2s would progress down the set, with the unfortunate 2s as "captives" of their 1s (that is, the 1s and the 2s would stay together all the way down). Upon reaching the bottom, the 1s and 2s would wait out their required turns and reenter the dance as 3s as in a typical triple minor, but they would dance only as 3s as they progressed up the set. Finally, as 3s neared the top they would discover that only every other couple became 1s. The alternate couples, just one place short of the top, would become 2s; they would be captured by the new top couple and would progress back down the set. It would be quite conceivable to start the dance as 2s, progress all the way down as 2s (with the same 1s), dance up as 3s, reach the top -- almost! -- and dance all the back down as 2s again! It is possible, but I didn't let my playing cards continue long enough to find out, that next time round, those 3s who had become 1s would become 2s while those 3s who hadn't made it all the way to the top would do so. One figure likely to initiate this effect is the "circle halfway" after the 1s have moved into middle position; this turns the set upside down, leaving the 3s at the top and the 2s at the bottom, while the 1s remain in the middle. Come Let's Be Merry seems to end with just this figure; in the original instructions (Walsh, 1711) there is the direction that this is a longways for as many as will, again leaving dancers in the order 3-1-2 to carry on the unusual progression. Another example is Johnny Cock Thy Beaver (Fallibroome Collection, Bk. 5), where a sequence of cross-and-cast figures leaves dancers in the order 3-1-2. Bernard Bentley categorizes the dance as "Longways for Three Couples." Since Bentley does not include original instructions, at this point I don't know whether the dance was originally a 3-couple set dance or a triple minor. (I'm in the process of obtaining a copy of the original instructions for this dance.) These results struck me as hilarious. I concluded that either I had misunderstood something in the structure and progression of the dances or the original direction ("longways for as many as will") was an error. Then I remembered the admonishment given us by various speakers last summer at Amherst Assembly; that is, don't assume an error just because we don't understand the original instructions. So I reconsidered this pattern of progression. If the sets were short, mightn't most couples eventually have an opportunity to dance as 1s? If the sets were long, some couples certainly would never make it all the way to top, but that happens anyway in triple minors in the typical progressive pattern. Perhaps, after all, the original direction means exactly what it says. Perhaps this progression was of a sort very infrequently encountered, but not unknown, in 18th c. dances. One objection remains, however. This pattern of progression somewhat defeats what I imagine was one of the purposes of the progressive dance: to dance with different couples as one moved up or down the set. If anyone has information on this progressive pattern, I would appreciate being enlightened, even if it is to learn that I have overlooked something or that the original instruction was indeed a mistake, a sort of "boiler plate" phrase carelessly printed above the music line without taking note of how the dance was actually performed. I'm also curious to know now if triple minor dances progressed in any other unusual fashion. Pat Ruggiero, Reston, Virginia ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 03:59:55 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Return-Path: philippe.callens-AT- uia.ua.ac.be Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 12:59:25 +0200 From: Philippe Callens Subject: Re: Unusual Triple Minor Progression (long message) To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Message-ID: <33E0700D.4974-AT- uia.ua.ac.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: In the contra dance tradition, I know of two dances in which the one and the twos progress down the set (as a unit), i.e. C and J's Jig, written by Roger Whynot, and The Constitution Hornpipe which can be found in "The Ralph Page Book of Contras". As for other unusual types of progression I know of - triple minors, double progression, e.g. The Witches' Brew (a contra dance by Rod Linnell) - triple minors, double progression with an interchange of number for the twos and the threes (there is at least one example in Zesty Contras) - triple minors, triple progression (e.g. Wakefield Hunt as interpreted by Tom Cook in "Hunter's Moon") Whether any of these types were in use in the 18th century, I don't know, but I doubt it. For contemporary use, the triple progression type is interesting. Philippe Callens ================================================================================ Archive-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 06:44:51 PST Sender: owner-ecd-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 09:44:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Arnold Reply-To: ECD-AT- playford.slac.stanford.edu Subject: Re: Unusual Triple Minor Progression (long message) To: ECD-AT- SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 30 Jul 1997, Howard A. Markham wrote: > This note is from Pat Ruggiero. > > While preparing St. Margaret's Hill for teaching, I thought to look at > the original instructions (Keller and Shimer, The Playford Ball, 1st > Edition) and noticed a piece of information that had not registered > with me before. The instructions say this is a longways dance for as > many as will. I know that many of the 18th c. dances we now do as > 3-couple sets were originally triple minors, but these ended with > dancers in the order 2-1-3. The 2s and the 3s progressed one place up > the set, changed roles with each repetition of the dance, and became 1s > as they reached the top in turn. > > St. Margaret's Hill ends differently, with dancers in the order 3-1-2. > If this dance really were a triple minor, some unusual effects would > occur. . . . [lots of stuff snipped out] Another possibility to consider is the interpretation -- while the modern interpretation _looks_ like a pretty straightforward interpretation of the original instructions, keep in mind that when recent interpreters aim for converting triple minors into progressive 3-couple dances, they have to do either of two things: they have to get the 1st couple to the bottom if the order of the 2nd and 3rd couples is not changed (otherwise the 3rd couple stays at the bottom), or they have to invert the set if the first couple progresses only one place. So interpretations which do this are favored... now in many triple minors, the instructions ended with "right and left quite round" at the top, and it was not very difficult to have the 1st couple, generally in middle place at this point, to finish with an extra change with the threes to accomplish this. But this doesn't work at all well at the end of Saint Margaret's Hill, so inverting the set at the beginning is a very attractive thing to do which is consistent with the original instructions, and which does not lead to any particularly awkward situations later on when done as a 3-couple dance. But the original instructions are not quite that explicit! The interpreter assumed that "then fall back, and hands half round" or whatever the exact wording was (I'm doing this from memory at this point, after looking at the instructions last night...) meant to take _hands six_ half round. But actually, the dancers in the set are grouped into two groups of three (M2, W1, & W2 at the top, M3, M1, & W3 at the bottom), and if they had actually just fallen back, and not come forward again, this would strengthen the separation into two groups of three. One might then interpret the "hands half round" to be in the two groups of three. The rest of the original instructions appear to work as well from these positions as they do in the modern interpretation; there are small differences, such as the people that the 1's turn first are on their left instead of right, but the original instructions don't specify that. The 1st couple "turn halfway and lead down" works out very nicely, and so on to the ende... (;-) In this form the interpretation would work out as a straightforward triple minor; the figure of two circles of three is certainly not uncommon in dances of the time, and seems like as reasonable an interpretation, if we can distance ourselves from the feeling that the familiar interpretation is the "right" one, as the one that we are used to. So perhaps this could be another answer. Who knows? Eric Arnold Ann Arbor